IRC log for #wowace on 20081219

00:01.44ckknightanyone want to help test something?
00:08.04Antiarchttp://www.amazon.com/review/R2N47Y3BCNI6AU?ie=UTF8&ASIN=3836502135&%2F=&ref_=cm_cr_dp_cmt
00:08.22Repo10socialist: 03eblume * r64 README: * Readme updated for push to Beta
00:08.58ckknightlol, Antiarc
00:09.04Antiarcckknight: What do you need tested?
00:09.14ckknightmake a poll on a project
00:09.39Antiarchow i maek poll
00:09.44Skellumheh big penis
00:10.01ckknightAntiarc: go to your project
00:10.09Antiarck, http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/zoom.aspx
00:10.11ckknightyou'll see "Polls" in the nav bar
00:10.32ckknightwowace
00:10.33ckknightnot curse
00:10.39ckknightcurse is sadly ftl
00:12.23AntiarcWe're sorry, you've attempted to access a page that decided to jump off its flying mount high over shattrath and forgot to bubble.
00:12.23Antiarc<PROTECTED>
00:12.27ckknightdammit
00:12.59SkellumQuestion...BT4, I switched between two different profiles but the KBs didnt change.
00:13.00ckknightbah, that makes little to no sense
00:13.01Pneumatusyeh, error message needs updating to dalran tbh
00:13.04SkellumAre they supposed to?
00:13.06ckknightPneumatus: prolly
00:13.22Pneumatusmind you, you cant really jump off your mount high over dalaran as you get dismounted anyway
00:13.48Pneumatuskrasus landing, perhaps
00:13.55Antiarcckknight: It was multiple choice with 4 options
00:14.09ckknighthang on, gonna have you submit again in a minute
00:14.16ckknightbtw, Bacon Dispenser
00:14.32ckknightokay, Antiarc, can you try again?
00:14.44Antiarc500'ded
00:15.55ckknightah
00:15.57ckknightI see
00:16.28ckknightI did del self.thing twice
00:16.56ckknightokay, Antiarc, try now
00:17.09Antiarchttp://www.wowace.com/projects/zoom/polls/what-feature-do-you-wish-to-see-in-the-next-version/
00:17.10Antiarc\o/
00:17.32ckknightvoted
00:17.35AntiarcI clicked edit
00:17.37AntiarcIt 500'd
00:17.41ckknighteep
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00:18.24AntiarcI have 2 Racing Stripe votes, 1 Bacon vote, and 2 total
00:18.34doom0romfg, that review is epic
00:19.08ckknightAntiarc, edit page fixed
00:19.20ckknightyea, 2 people voted total, since I voted for both bacon and racing stripes
00:19.46AntiarcAh
00:19.56AntiarcThat feels like a bug, even if it's not
00:20.13doom0rit's ok, i brought bacon dispenser back into the game
00:20.16doom0rit's 2-2 now
00:20.25ckknightlol
00:20.32ckknightmaybe I should just get rid of the total
00:20.34ckknightit is in the facts box
00:22.18ckknightcrisis averted, Antiarc
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00:22.56AntiarcIn the sidebar, since you have room could you say something like Voted on: 5 times by 4 people?
00:23.08AntiarcThat doesn't make sense
00:23.15ckknighthrm...
00:23.27AntiarcI dunno, something to explain why there's a discrepancy
00:27.47ckknightcheck now, Antiarc
00:28.06Antiarcthat works!
00:28.09ckknight:-)
00:28.28ckknightnot sure about the word "people"
00:28.35ckknightwould "underlings" fit better?
00:28.45ckknight:-P
00:29.55ckknightAntiarc: regarding zoom, I took out the collectgarbage calls out of Rock
00:29.59ckknightin case you didn't know
00:30.41Repo10morg-bid2: 03Morgalm * r11 / (2 files in 1 directory): MorgBid2
00:30.44Repo-ummm 2 functions with the same name is bad MMmkay
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00:32.18Gngsk:o
00:34.44Antiarcckknight: I did see that, yay \o/
00:34.49ckknightyea
00:34.58AntiarcBut zoom has an awesome picture of a car
00:35.00AntiarcSo it's still worth using
00:35.02ckknightI basically had forgotten to take them out since Blizz fixed their collectgarbage in some patch
00:35.21ckknightAntiarc: in related news, I went to high school with the Zoom-Zoom kid
00:35.25Antiarchaha
00:35.25Zhinjionot to mention anyone who hasn't rebundled their addon with the new version of rock will still benefit
00:35.37ckknightAntiarc: Micah was a cool guy, really
00:35.54Antiarcwell, it also helps if you have an old version of questhelper
00:35.58ckknighthehe
00:36.07AntiarcOr enough addons to generate natural garbage collection during loading
00:36.27ckknightokay then
00:36.29ckknight:-)
00:36.38AntiarcI run 220 addons, so yeah >_>
00:37.06doom0ri run a bit, but not that many, if i went back to nix i would
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00:37.24doom0rwtb hda_intel proper alsa drivers
00:37.26doom0r=\
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00:45.32ZerylHey all, quick question, I've got a script hooking OnTooltipSetItem, but it doesn't seem to be what's called when clicking a link in chat, and I can't seem to find the correct item to hook.  Anyone mind helping me slightly?
00:47.11doom0r-17:43:47- [Repo]: Add some code to mine skill levels from in-game since wowdb = teh suck
00:47.13doom0ragreed
00:47.38doom0rwas wondering how i didn't know a ton of recipes yet
00:47.56Ackislol doom0r
00:48.13doom0rit scared me, i'm like wtf! what am i missing here
00:49.12Ackisi just need to visit some trainers run the mining code, see if it works then implement it
00:51.04Skellumwow....ad bar on the wow forums?
00:51.15Skellumwow....ad bar on the wow forums?
00:51.18SkellumAck sorry
00:53.00SkellumQuestion! How do I set a website to be unable to use scripts on firefox?
00:54.34doom0rhttp://noscript.net/
00:54.58Skellumgot it
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01:12.18RepoNew poll: http://www.wowace.com/polls/fun-heroic-5-mans/
01:12.22ckknightwoo
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01:13.49doom0rno.
01:15.16ckknightno what?
01:15.22ckknightI say yes, doom0r
01:15.22doom0rthey're not fun
01:15.24doom0rjust meh
01:15.27ckknightthen vote 0
01:15.33ckknightor whatever.
01:18.08Repo10recount: 03StingerSoft * r947 locales/Recount-ruRU.lua: Recount:
01:18.10Repo- ruRU update
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01:28.27Zerylanyone know an addon to dump addonmessages to a chat frame? acn't seem to locate the one I had :(
01:28.49ckknightaddon messages?
01:28.52ckknightwhat do you mean by messages?
01:29.05Zerylusing the guild/raid addon channel
01:30.44ckknightah.
01:30.56ckknightsadly, I don't know one off the top of my head
01:31.25Zerylk, ill keep looking.  I know one exists, I had it pre WoTLK, but sadly lost that harddrive
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01:56.29doom0r[Trade] [Reedemtion]: where do i get a snowman kit
01:56.29doom0r[Trade] [Doomey:80]: ragnaros
01:56.29doom0r[W:From] [Reedemtion]: which one is that
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02:00.15ckknight...yep
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02:02.47xyuwhen i type /parrot i don't have any options except to donate and that's it.  
02:02.53xyua few other addons as well i think.
02:03.02xyuand i can't add them to fubar
02:03.10xyuam i missing something? :(
02:04.10doom0rany errors?
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02:04.34xyui just signed out, reinstalling addons real quick.
02:04.58Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Daviesh * r1816 Modules/WrathoftheLichKing/wrathofthelichking.lua: Added Battlemaster's items
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02:12.32NivFreakso when do we get a mac curse client that doesn't fucking suck
02:13.27Mikks/mac//
02:14.37Repo10ihml: 03Ackis * r123 / (2 files in 1 directory): Add Back to the Pit daily
02:18.59Ackisyou use a mac, you deserve to get sucky stuff
02:21.08fewynsigh @ ads on blizzard's oforoums now
02:21.16fewynforums*
02:23.00Gngskhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13769996975&sid=1
02:23.03Gngsksigh no more1
02:23.12SkellumHit them with adblocker
02:23.19SkellumTheres also something to kill the frames too
02:26.04xyuunder parrot, does anyone know under what catagory things scroll up to tell you when to use a certain skill like Bloodthirst activating slam or hotstreaks activating instant pyro?
02:26.15xyui unselected every event but want to keep that one.
02:31.14Arrowmastertheres ads on the blizzard forums now? i honestly couldnt tell the difference
02:33.50Aeyan|Ads? Lame.
02:34.04Arrowmasteri couldnt tell when i looked at that link
02:34.46Aeyan|Well, I haven't run without ad and script protection on my browser for a long time.
02:34.47Arrowmasterbut ive been using ABP with EasyElement+EasyList subscription
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02:46.24AnaralSo how long until someone hacks the blizz run ads and puts a keylogger in one?
02:46.56SkellumSooooon, toooo sooooon
02:47.20Ackiswhat's dry-loop dsl vs normal dsl?
02:47.34AnaralOne is dehydrated?
02:48.01ckknightmy guess is the first is don't repeat yourself :-P
02:48.12ckknightAckis: got any examples?
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02:48.46Ackishttp://www.teksavvy.com/en/abc_resdsl.asp?ID=1&mID=1 vs http://www.teksavvy.com/en/ab_resdrydsl.asp?ID=1&mID=1
02:49.26ckknightah, not a  domain specific language, then
02:49.32Ackisnope
02:50.21ckknightDry loop DSL, sometimes called “naked” or “cheap hooker” DSL, is DSL internet service not packaged with land-line telephone service. A home or business can have dry loop DSL without needing a land-line phone or dial tone.
02:50.53WobinThey tend to package it with VOIP
02:51.10Ackisahh k
02:51.30ckknightP.S. use google next time
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03:04.08Mikkwonders why WWS only has 2500 fights on Maexxna when it has ~20000 on everything else
03:05.00selckinbecause its a buggy pos?
03:06.13MikkThat'd explain why we did a 75 out of 20000 on 4H the other day!!
03:09.01Groktarmmm shadowmelding at 1% on sapph
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03:13.35GroktarKT
03:13.46Groktarlet's see who dies to void zone >.>
03:15.16StanzillaI tanked KT a few days ago
03:15.21Stanzillawas funny to watch the melees fail
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03:21.39SkellumWWS is so horribly unreliable atm.
03:21.57SkellumThe current top DPS warlock on Patchwerk for recorded WWS has about 9100+ DPS
03:22.45SkellumAnd then theres Sars...forgot the t, stars, guild. Which is exploiting the living hell out of HAT
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03:32.52Repo10handy-notes_trainers: 03zarevak 07v1.1.x_Release * r26 / (4 files in 2 directories): - added deDE translation by Aiwendyl <Das Syndikat>
03:32.55Repo- comments in locale files for easier translation
03:33.18Repo10handy-notes_trainers: 03zarevak 04v1.1.6 Release * r27 :
03:33.20RepoTagging as v1.1.2 Release. Added deDE translation by Aiwendyl <Das Syndikat>
03:34.30Groktaroo last laugh @ me
03:36.17Stanzillagz
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03:40.12gixSkellum: HAT?
03:40.36ChaosluxDoes StatLogicLib requires anything else loaded except AceLibrary and AceLocale-2.2, because i receive the error \Libs\StatLogic-1.0\StatLogic-1.0.lua:4705: attempt to call local 'strutf8lower' (a nil value)
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03:42.33Arrowmasterprobably needs UTF8
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03:56.13ChaosluxSo, i got UTF8 in my addon folder, and added it to the toc file, and it still shows the same error
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04:16.07Repo10ihml: 03Ackis * r124 / (2 files in 1 directory): Add a thingy
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04:25.46Chaosluxihml?
04:26.38Zhinjio@project ihml
04:26.39RepoZhinjio: http://www.wowace.com/projects/ihml/. IHML - I Have Macro Lol!. Game: WoW. Status: Out of date. asgasgfagafdg. Ackis (Manager/Author), Snago (Author). Updated: 9 minutes ago. Tickets: 2/7
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04:39.17Repo10debuff-enough: 03Nickodemus_wow * r12 DebuffEnough.lua:
04:39.19Repo- Fix issue where, when all warlocks in the group have applied a curse, and there are still debuff slots unfulfilled that could have been filled by curses, the curse was still considered the best option for that slot
04:39.22Repo- Don't expect demo roar from moonkins/trees
04:44.32Repo10magic-dkp: 03dhedbor * r92 DefaultData.lua: - Added new WotLK raids in the default data set.
04:44.34Repo- Added Emblems and Abyss Crystals to default ignore list.
04:46.24Repo10ihatetabards: 03yess * r6 / (4 files in 1 directory): changed: new addon name
04:46.26Repofixed: the error message while dead/ghost
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04:53.14Repo10ihatetabards: 03yess 04Tagging as r7-release * r7 : Tagging as %r7-release%
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04:59.36ChaosluxGah, sorry guys to look really stupid as i ask stupid questions all the time, but i cant load the UTF8 files no matter what i do, having them in a UTF8\ folder, and adding it to the toc didnt work, simply having them next to my core lua file (and correcting the toc) didnt work either, no matter where i put them or how i write it up (and check on similar addons using utf8), it justs display "Error Loading UTF8" in FrameXML error log...
04:59.53Chaosluxand sorry for the wall of text too >>
05:00.03CIA-54tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * r61d94e9 10/ (3 files): Fix a bad file name - http://is.gd/cssS
05:00.03CIA-54tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * r4d4d357 10/ TourGuide_Alliance/72_73_Dragonblight.lua : Fix a bad tag - http://is.gd/cssT
05:00.12CIA-54tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * r644c220 10/ TourGuide_Horde/70_71_Howling_Fjord.lua : Fix horde raw data not in a comment - http://is.gd/cssY
05:01.35Repo10ihatetabards: 03yess 04r7 * r8 : Tagging as %r7%
05:02.27Repo10baggins_section-color: 03lilsparky * r11 Baggins_SectionColor.toc: baggins_sectioncolor:
05:02.36Repo-updating .toc file to version 3.0
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05:21.14ckknightyou know what I hate about reality TV? I feel so embarassed for the people that I can't stand to watch
05:21.16ckknightbut I have to.
05:21.22ckknight..for science
05:24.27SkellumFOR SCIENCE!
05:24.37SkellumA man on TV once told me, Science rules.
05:24.47ckknightprecisely, Skellum, you know what I'm talking about
05:25.48ChaosluxAre you sure that isnt just an excuse you use to not feel embarassed to watch Reality TV in the first place?
05:29.44ckknightno, I don't feel embarrassed for that
05:30.01Skellumhttp://www.wimp.com/ninjatime/
05:30.01ckknightif you have an issue with what I watch, you can go suck a nut
05:30.17ckknightninjas ftw
05:30.20SkellumStudying for finals is greatly hampered by ninjas intruding on a local "Pirate day" celebration
05:37.14ChaosluxPirate Day? isnt that in September?
05:39.13Skellumseemed to be a local pirate day, I thought there was only, Talk like a pirate day?
05:42.07ChaosluxYeah, that :/
05:42.31ChaosluxWhich for some reason people had to pick exactly my birthday
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05:47.45JaxonDoes anyone know if there was ever a reason given for the nameplate range being so limited?
05:50.54ckknightbecause you don't _deserve_ long-range nameplates
05:51.03ckknightwhy did you have to go and ruin it for the rest of us?
05:51.04ckknightgeez.
05:52.51Zhinjiogood evening, wowacians.
05:54.31Fisker-hits ckknight
05:54.46ckknighthands to yourself, Fisker-
05:54.49ckknighthey Zhinjio, how's things?
05:55.09Zhinjioplaying around with luadoc now. I'm gonna try and push up a file here in a little bit, I think
05:55.45ckknightk, it'll all work on its own
05:56.13digmouseanyone experienced dropping connection in Felmyst Air Phase?
05:56.18Fisker-awww ckknight :(
05:58.21Repo10speakinspell: 03rismisner * r132 Locales/Locale-deDE.lua:
05:58.24RepoFinalized the German translation and included at least 10 default sample speeches (in German) for at least 3 spells or abilities for every class.
05:59.40ckknightwe should outlaw dumbness
05:59.45ckknightor at least segregate it
06:02.35Skellumfel..myst?
06:02.40SkellumWhy god why?
06:03.05SkellumDig, iirc that air phase used to own certain members of our raids video card, or at least so they said when they got MCed
06:06.12Repo10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio * r47 docs/main.lua: - luadoc tests
06:07.41Zhinjiopackager ran. whats the exepcted interval on the luadoc thinger??
06:07.46Zhinjioor should it run with the packager?
06:07.47Fisker-hitcrits Zhinjio
06:07.54Zhinjioheh
06:08.20ckknightZhinjio: it runs in a separate process, but basically at the same time the packager would run
06:08.54Zhinjioand it should just show up under 'Pages'?
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06:09.02Zhinjioor is that different than I'm thinking?
06:09.04ckknightthere were no pages to upload
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06:09.17ckknightlemme check out your docs...
06:10.18ckknightyour doc lines won't do anything because they aren't documenting anythng
06:10.21ckknightanything*
06:10.30ckknightluadoc works by documenting a module or a file or a function
06:12.13Fisker-massive lulz
06:12.16Fisker-WoW forum got ads now
06:13.29ckknightyou know what'd be hilarious?
06:13.34ckknightif a gold ad slipped through
06:13.48Antiarcknow what's be more hilarious?
06:13.52AntiarcA flash ad with a keylogger
06:14.00ZhinjioI was hoping this would be able to used for generalized documentation somehow.
06:14.20ZhinjioI could publish/update addon documentation within the addon's file themselves.
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06:14.39ckknightAntiarc: lulz
06:14.46ckknightZhinjio: we'll have something like that later.
06:14.53ckknightbut that's not luadoc
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06:15.44Fisker-but the most hilarious thing that would slip through would be a keylogging porn ad selling gold
06:16.03Fisker-Though i guess neither is gonna happen since Blizzard is the ad provider
06:16.10Arrowmasterno they arent
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06:19.04Fisker-who is then? :3
06:19.25ckknightyour mom, Fisker-
06:19.31Arrowmasteradbureau.net
06:19.41Fisker-But still
06:19.46Fisker-it'll only be Blizzard approved ads
06:19.52Arrowmasteryou would think
06:20.46Arrowmasterbut blizzard still doesnt have actual control of the code for the ads they are loading
06:20.50Fisker-I am going to enjoy having sex with your mom >:3
06:21.08Fisker-yarr
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06:34.58AntiarcI'm just glad for Firefox
06:35.05AntiarcI can just nuke the ads and pretend they were never there
06:35.42ckknightAntiarc: isn't life so much better now?
06:35.49ckknightnow that we have firefox
06:35.54ckknightit's hard to remember the old days
06:35.59ckknightback on the mule farm...
06:38.31Antiarchttp://i40.tinypic.com/208vi9s.jpg <-- my WoW forums :D
06:38.50Arrowmasteri had to be told the ads were there
06:41.56winkillerhu? ads?
06:44.10Fisker-yeah it's awesome
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06:44.19Fisker-with Firefox i just block all curse's ads
06:44.42ckknightFisker-: you're the kind of person who has forced curse to start harvesting internal organs for profit.
06:44.55Fisker-nope
06:44.56Fisker-you are
06:45.02Fisker-I was just illustrating said point
06:45.28ckknighthey, just because the organ harvesting was my idea and I'm the one doing it doesn't make it my fault.
06:45.38ckknightit's for America!
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06:46.17ckknighthooah.
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06:48.39Zhinjioit seems to me there's gotta be some hackish way to make luadoc do what I want.
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06:48.51Zhinjioah well. *shrug*
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06:50.12ckknightZhinjio: don't destroy the magic.
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06:51.48hypetechAnybody know of a mod that can monitor whether or not there is any kind of bleed on a target?
06:52.10SkellumIf you're an alchoholic its much harder for them to steal your organs.
06:52.16ckknightoh man, xkcd is great today. It's like it was written for me (and all other nerds, likely)
06:52.21SkellumThwart organ theives! Do drugs and binge drink!
06:52.37ckknighttruth
06:52.59AntiarcHahahaha
06:53.03AntiarcOh man, truth
06:53.30Groktarsigh, 3% wipe on malygos
06:53.39Groktargoing into p3 with 25 up and 4 minutes
06:53.40Groktar???
06:53.51ckknightAntiarc: you referring to the comic?
06:53.57Antiarcyes
06:53.58ckknightyea
06:54.22ckknightit's just, oh man, basically all my programming and computing knowledge is autodidactic
06:54.39ckknightand school itself was a way to encourage me to learn
06:54.55ckknightand make sure I don't break laws or cause any real trouble as a teenager
06:55.00ckknightas far as I can tell
06:55.09AntiarcAll of my programming knowledge is either self-taught or learned on the job
06:55.10ckknightnote that I said encourage and not actually teach
06:56.18ckknightwhen I had my first programming job, I was like "wow, this is what school should be. I have a project, I'm learning things, being productive, what the fuck was school for?"
06:56.27AntiarcThat's why I left college
06:56.38AntiarcBecause I had a job doing what I'd be doing with a degree, making what I'd make with a degree
06:56.51AntiarcAnd I was thinking "uh, why shouldn't I just spend more time at my job making money and learning things?"
06:56.51ckknightI left cause the head of the CS department and the vice-chair told me to go somewhere else :-P
06:56.57AntiarcAs opposed to, you know, spending money and not learning things.
06:57.04ckknightyea
06:58.09SkellumHrm...I complete college next semester and you're doing what you like.
06:58.14SkellumI have a hair in my cup of water
06:58.19ckknightgz
06:58.25ckknightI have one year of college
06:58.43Arrowmasteri complete college whenever i get around to taking my last 2 classes
06:58.56Arrowmasterso probably in a year
07:00.10Arrowmastercollege is so overrated anyway
07:00.26AntiarcI honestly think college is quickly not becoming worth it
07:00.30AntiarcI'm really bitter about higher education
07:00.55AntiarcI saw an article the other day citing college education as the fastest-growing expense in the US, faster than medical or insurance.
07:01.01ckknightyea
07:01.13ckknightand it's increasing at a faster exponential rate than most other parts of the economy
07:01.21ckknighton a year-by-year basis
07:02.12Arrowmastermy friend that i graduated highschool with is about to get his masters degree in CS while i dont even have an assiciate degree yet but he asks me for help with stuff all the time
07:02.43winkillersucks to be you?
07:02.44Zhinjiocollege is valuable. I don't believe, however, that it is valuable for the reasons that most people *entering* college think it will be valuable for.
07:03.04Finone of my favourite sayings has always been "never let education get in the way of your learning"
07:03.06winkillerit's valuable that you get some piece of paper in the end with a shiny title
07:03.19winkillerAlthough I'd prefer Salty tp B.Sc. any time
07:03.32AntiarcZhinjio: College is valuable for contacts and life experience. Education and the degree, not so much.
07:03.35winkiller(no, I am not a B.Sc and will ever be, our system is different)
07:03.50AntiarcBut the cost of those contacts is INSANE.
07:03.56AntiarcWhat's the average college education cost these days?
07:04.06Zhinjiothat is definintely one valuable part, no question.
07:04.07Arrowmasterno what sucks is im still jobless and over half of the people we met up lastnight from highschool have government jobs =(
07:04.11winkillerdunno, I hardly got any contacts on my uni
07:04.40Skellum[01:02] <winkiller> it's valuable that you get some piece of paper in the end with a shiny title; Thats what I want. "Zhinjio: College is valuable for contacts and life experience." This is def true.
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07:05.13SkellumArrowmaster, the girl who I grew up next door too makes about 200k a year doing jack shit in LA.
07:05.31Zhinjiofor may employers, the "piece of paper" you're talking about represents a commitment to accomplish a goal, no matter how ludicrous it seems at the time.
07:05.47Zhinjioand for some employers, that level of unquestioning obedience is required.
07:05.51winkillerSkellum: now imagine the dollar would still be a stable currency :D
07:06.01Fisker-knocks up Zhinjio
07:06.36SkellumWinkiler, it is.
07:06.48SkellumThough, it would be more stable had we all voted for ron paul >.>
07:06.53SkellumGold standerd YEA!!!
07:07.36AntiarcThe "piece of paper" is a foot in the door, nothing more.
07:07.40ckknightI was a big Ron Paul supporter for a while
07:07.47Fisker-haha fail arguments = fail
07:07.48AntiarcIf you can get a foot in the door without it, the degree is virtually worthless.
07:07.54ZhinjioI also think there is alot of experience with "stupid" professors that prepares you better to deal with "stupid" bosses
07:07.57Fisker-About the guy who called his son "Adolf Hitler"
07:08.05Fisker-First argument: Lets forget the past
07:08.08ckknightAntiarc: work experiece is a big win
07:08.14AntiarcAgreed.
07:08.24Fisker-Yeah good idea to forget the past, it seems like he forgot that
07:08.25Arrowmasterthats the one thing i majorly lack
07:08.29Arrowmasteri have 0 work experience
07:08.30AntiarcThey say that a year of professional experience is worth approximately a year of college
07:08.39Fisker-Second argument: He wanted the name to be unique so he got the right kid when calling him
07:08.41Fisker-lololol
07:08.42winkillerwork > uni any time
07:08.48ZhinjioAntiarc: I disagree with that, actually.
07:08.49AntiarcSo with 7 years working as a programmer for someone else, and now with my own company under my belt, I'm pretty sure I could get a job without a degree.
07:08.56ZhinjioI'd put more weight on work experience than school.
07:09.06AntiarcZhinjio: I would too, but that's the rule of thumb I've heard.
07:09.08ckknightAntiarc: I get a year of work experience come February :-)
07:09.10winkillerhas more like 7 years experience *during* 5 years of uni 8)
07:09.15Zhinjiobut I'm not devalueing the school experience either.
07:09.20AntiarcI'd rather hire 4 years XP + no degree than degree + 0 years XP
07:09.26Antiarcckknight: Hehe, woot
07:09.28ckknightschool's for nerds, Zhinjio
07:09.42Fisker-fu Antiarc :(
07:09.44ckknightdon't fall into their trap
07:09.56ckknightI've seen Revenge of the Nerds
07:10.00winkillerAntiarc: couldn't you have told me in 2003? :P
07:10.00ckknightthey're a feisty bunch
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07:10.10ArrowmasterAntiarc: would you hire me with 0 work experience?
07:10.29AntiarcArrowmaster: I know your work, which is experience, to me :P
07:10.39ckknightI was hired without a resumé, I'm not even sure if they ran a background check. :-P
07:10.46ckknightso, win
07:10.46AntiarcIf I didn't know you and you were just some kid with a degree and no experience, I might hire you for menial work at entry-level pay
07:11.04Antiarcckknight: I'm pretty sure that your previous work was resume enough :P
07:11.15ckknightyea, that and I was actively developing a competitor
07:11.18ckknight*thumbs up*
07:11.21AntiarcHehe
07:11.35ckknightit's all cool, though
07:11.41Finyeah, but, in the time someone spends going through uni, what does the equivalent work exprience count for when applying for a job?
07:11.46ckknightall the things I've wanted to do I've been able to
07:11.56AntiarcI'm going to be in a position where I'll need to hire another developer before too long, and I guarantee you I'm not going to hire a freshly minted CS major with no work experience.
07:12.01Fin5 years of work experience in your chosen field, or five years at uni?
07:12.10AntiarcI want someone with 2+ years doing what I want them to do.
07:12.14Findepends on the area of course
07:12.24Zhinjiothe one really valuable thing about hiring direct out of college is that you can mold the person into whatever you want.
07:12.30AntiarcBut you have to train them, too
07:12.32Zhinjiobut you have to more careful on the way in the door screening out the riffraff
07:12.40AntiarcSo you spend 6 months+ having to get all the suck out
07:12.49Zhinjioyou have to train *anyone* you hire. Its a matter of how long.
07:12.55AntiarcAnd if they don't work out you've just wasted a ton of time and money
07:13.02Zhinjioright
07:13.07AntiarcSure, but people with actual work experience know what it means to work corporately
07:13.11Zhinjioliek I said: you have to screen more effetively on the way in the door
07:13.14AntiarcThey have less breaking-in to do, generally speaking
07:13.21ckknightAntiarc: I have a code sample I can submit to you
07:13.23Zhinjionods.
07:13.27ckknighthonk if you.love :ruby
07:13.34AntiarcHahaha
07:13.40ckknightwait
07:13.42ckknightI fucked that up
07:13.46ckknighthonk if you.love? :ruby
07:13.47Arrowmasteryeah you did
07:13.49ckknightthere we are.
07:13.54AntiarcThat's why I love ruby. You can write code that reads like actual English
07:14.00ckknightyea
07:14.10ckknightI complain about python at work a lot
07:14.13AntiarcIrony of ironies that it was developed by a Japanese guy.
07:14.16ckknightbecause I prefer the way ruby does things
07:14.29ckknightpassing blocks in, properties and methods are the same thing
07:14.32ckknightetc.
07:14.41ZhinjioI do have good instincts for hiring people.
07:14.45ckknightdistinction between attributes and properties
07:14.53AntiarcI really like Python, but Ruby is like python with most of the annoyances removed
07:14.58ckknightyea
07:15.09Zhinjioone of my old bosses used to ask me to talk to the potential peopple after the technical interviews were done
07:15.16Arrowmaster<-- network engineer looking for job!
07:15.22ckknightZhinjio: oh?
07:15.24Zhinjiowalk them around the lab/data center, talk to them about stuff.
07:15.30AntiarcArrowmaster: How's your Ruby experience? :P
07:15.38Zhinjioand informally interview them, sort of off the record.
07:15.44Zhinjiocompletely illegal questions of course,
07:15.50ckknightlol
07:15.50ArrowmasterAntiarc: i've dabbled in it but honestly not very much at all yet
07:15.51ckknightlike what?
07:15.52Finillegal?
07:15.58Zhinjiobut we passed it off as "its not an interview, I'm just showing them around"
07:16.00Findid you get any blowjobs out of it?
07:16.02Zhinjioquite.
07:16.09ckknight"When did you first lose your anal virginity?"
07:16.11Zhinjioyou're not allowed to ask questions about things I did.
07:16.15ckknight"Oh, well, how about we do it right now?"
07:16.18Zhinjiolike what they do outside of work
07:16.18Fingo ooon
07:16.22Fingive us some examples
07:16.25Zhinjioor what their hobbies are
07:16.28ckknightZhinjio: no one's judging you
07:16.32ckknightah, okay
07:16.37Zhinjioetc
07:16.39Findoesn't sound very illegal yet
07:16.54Finnods, no sir
07:16.56Arrowmastertrying to weed out the people that will come into work with a hangover every monday morning?
07:17.11ckknighthehe
07:17.17SkellumWhats wrong with being hungover?
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07:17.19Zhinjioyou'd be surprised at the thigns you're not allowed to ask.
07:17.24SkellumSo long as you're functional >.>
07:17.25Zhinjioanyway.
07:17.27Finsurprise us!
07:17.29ckknightSkellum: harder to get work done, have a shittier employee
07:17.29ZhinjioI was never, ever wrong.
07:17.39ckknightwe had one guy who went out drinking every single night.
07:17.41ckknighthe's gone now
07:17.47Zhinjioevery single person he hired that I told him gave me a bad efeling ended up being fired or let go within 2 months
07:17.50SkellumRemember! It isnt Alchoholism unless it impairs your daily lifes functions
07:18.04ckknightavoid hangovers: stay drunk
07:18.06Zhinjiohmm, lets see. You can't ask any questions about how they get to and from work.
07:18.16Finwhu?
07:18.19Finwhy not?
07:18.22Zhinjioyou can't ask questions about what kinds of food they do or do not like.
07:18.23ckknightodd, why's that?
07:18.50ckknighthrm, you don't eat pork and you have a big nose, eh?
07:18.51ckknightno thank you.
07:18.51Finfinds that most odd
07:18.51Zhinjiobecause you can't discriminate against someone that has to use public transporation
07:18.51Zhinjio(for example)
07:18.51ckknightah
07:18.54Zhinjioyou can't ask questions about anything medical, at all.
07:19.03Fisker-if only it was like that here Zhinjio :E
07:19.05Finwhere do you live, Zhinjio, if I can ask?
07:19.09ZhinjioColorado
07:19.11orionshockah but you can.. if the job requires something specific :P
07:19.38Fisker-I pretty much can't get a job because i have to use public transportation until i'm doing taking my driver's license
07:19.39Fisker-:E
07:19.47Arrowmasteri got turned down for a cable tv tech job just because my driving record isnt spotless
07:19.48Fisker-and even then distance is probably going to be a factor
07:19.51Zhinjioactually, you can't. All you can say is what things the job will require, and whther they will be able to fulfill those tasks. (example: can you lift 50 pounds to the height of your chest)
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07:20.14ckknightZhinjio: I can!
07:20.19Zhinjioheh
07:20.20ckknightflexes
07:20.38Finsurely "can you get to work on time" is interview-worthy?
07:20.40Arrowmastermy reply would be 'i dont know, have something that weighs 50 pounds?'
07:20.43ZhinjioArrowmaster: yes, if the job requires driving, you are obviously allowed to ask information about accidents or tickets.
07:20.54Zhinjioand especioally if you'll be using a company vehicle.
07:21.02Skellumsighs
07:21.03Skellumhttp://www.wimp.com/biglady/
07:21.07SkellumYou cant unwatch it
07:21.12ckknightFin: I have issues with that. I got stuck behind a house today
07:21.15ZhinjioFin: yes... but you can't ask how they get there or by what means.
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07:21.37Zhinjiolets say, for example, that the person takes a cab every day because they had their license taken away for DUI
07:21.42Finckknight: ... on the way to work? what on earth was a house doing on the road? :P
07:21.50ckknightFin: being moved
07:21.54Skellumhappens
07:21.56Zhinjioyou can't ask about any of that.... only if they can get to work on time.
07:21.58ckknightheld up a red light for like 10 minutes
07:21.59Finoh! lord
07:21.59Skellumyou have to take a highway to work?
07:22.00ArrowmasterZhinjio: yeah but it wasnt even asking, everybody was blaently told that if there were any points on your license or any tickets at all your application goes directly into the trash
07:22.12Zhinjionods.
07:22.21ckknightSkellum: yea, but it's like 3 miles away from my home
07:22.46Finbeing late's OK as long as you let your employers know waht's going on - there's always a way to keep people informed
07:22.52Zhinjioworse yet: even if you don't ask questions about things medical... if the potential employee tells you something of their own free will, you have to stop the interview immediately, and send them back to HR
07:22.52Finlike
07:23.04Fin"there's a house blocking the road"
07:23.07ckknightZhinjio: ick
07:23.15FinI'd accept that as a valid reason for being late
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07:23.19Zhinjiobecause suddenly its a liability as to whether or not you prompted the information
07:23.24Fisker-that's how i call in sick Fin
07:23.25Finnods, sounds fair
07:23.28ckknightFin: basically, since I stay until at least 7 every day, me showing up a bit late isn't a big deal.
07:23.41ckknightFin: I aim to be at work at 9:20. sometimes I make it, sometimes I don't
07:23.49ckknightif it was required that I be there by 9, I'd show up then
07:24.01ckknightbut they're not so tight-assed
07:24.10ckknightI put in my hours and do good work
07:24.55Fisker-Maybe it's because you've anally raped them so much
07:24.55Fisker-hoho
07:25.07Zhinjiointerviewing at Citrix was brutal.
07:25.08ckknightpossible
07:25.14Zhinjiowe used to intentionally try to get them to cry
07:25.28ckknightlol
07:25.34ckknighthow, Zhinjio?
07:25.54Zhinjiothe technical interview was against 4 people, usually all highly technical.
07:26.07Zhinjiothis was for developer or test positions, not like... support or marketing or something
07:26.12ckknightokay
07:26.13Zhinjiothey would rapid fire questions
07:26.16Zhinjiofor HOURS
07:26.28Zhinjiogernerally not even giving the person time to answer properly before moving on
07:26.39Zhinjiothe questions would get progressively harder over time.
07:26.48ckknightthere was a brief thing of that for me, but my test was writing the reports system for curseforge :P
07:26.53Zhinjioand span all range of subjects, with it truly not being possible to know all of it
07:27.14DashkalI'd fail that amazingly.  Quick lookup skills, crappy retention of details
07:27.37Zhinjiopart of it is intentionally getting people to say "I don't know"
07:27.46Zhinjioits amazing how people will resist saying that.
07:27.49Zhinjiobeing able to admit that
07:27.59Zhinjioand yet, its completely vital to know when you don't know something.
07:27.59ckknightyea, I've found that admitting that you don't know something is a better policy
07:28.03ckknight(personally)
07:28.04Dashkalahh, in that case I have little fear of saying that
07:28.12ckknightI'm not afraid to look it up, though
07:28.13DashkalIf I don't know I don't know.
07:28.20Arrowmasterim weird, sometimes i can remember the exact details of things that nobody should ever remember exactly but other times im just always looking shit up
07:28.30Zhinjiomy favorite interview sections were always the analytical parts.
07:28.31ckknightDashkal: how many atoms in the universe?
07:28.35DashkalI keep my bookmark toolbar full of references
07:28.41Dashkalckknight: 42
07:28.41Zhinjiogiving people problems to solve that lets you see how they problem solve.
07:28.48Skellumarrowmaster, want me to draw you a map of old UO areas?
07:28.51DashkalThe rest are just folded duplicates
07:28.57SkellumThe ammount of useless shit that accumulates in my brain...
07:29.12Zhinjioits astonishing what people will say to you, straight faced, with absolute certainty, just to make it seem like they know what they are talking about.
07:29.25ckknight4*10^79
07:29.57krka640k atoms should be enough for anyone
07:29.57Zhinjiomy favorite one, which we only ever had ONE person EVER answer correctly was "Provide the sum of all number from 1 to 100 inclusive"
07:30.04Arrowmasterim trying to think up something that i just shouldnt have memorized but now im failing
07:30.15Zhinjiothe guy who answered right turned out to be a string physicist.
07:30.21krka100*99 / 2?
07:30.22Zhinjio(being hired for low end tech support position)
07:30.36krkaor was it 100*101 / 2
07:30.38SkellumZhin, Ask him how many extra dimensions there were.
07:30.41ckknight5050
07:30.41krkai can never remember
07:30.42Zhinjioheheheheee
07:30.43Skellumerr, are
07:31.07Zhinjiohe just stared at me for a minute or two... and then gave me the aanswer
07:31.09ckknightit's 50 * 100 + 50
07:31.10Zhinjioit was great.
07:31.23Antiarc(1+100) * 50, IIRC
07:31.26Skellumnice...how did the reply go?
07:31.28ckknightI go by 1+99, 2+98, 3+97
07:31.31Arrowmasterdid you have to look it up to see if he was right?
07:31.35ckknightall the way down to 49+51
07:31.38Zhinjioyeah, there are several approaches that work, mathematically
07:31.41ckknightthen take all that, add 100 and 50
07:31.42ckknightbam, 5050
07:32.11Zhinjiowhats more fun is the people who answer wrong
07:32.29ckknightthe answer is 42, Zhinjio
07:32.32Zhinjioor that start counting on their fingers
07:32.35ckknightick
07:32.37Zhinjioor ask for a calculator
07:32.41Zhinjioor pen and paper
07:32.42Dashkallua> local tot = 0; for i = 1, 100, 1 do tot = tot + i end; print (tot)
07:32.43lua_botDashkal: 5050
07:32.46ckknightsum(range(1, 101))
07:32.55Arrowmasterwhats wrong with a pen and paper?
07:32.56Zhinjioor just answer in like, 1 second with a COMPLETELY wrong number
07:33.01Zhinjiowith absolute certainty
07:33.05Antiarclua> (1+100) * 50
07:33.05Zhinjionothing at all!
07:33.06ckknightlol
07:33.06lua_botAntiarc: 5050
07:33.09Antiarc\o/
07:33.17Zhinjiolike I said, the answer isn't even important
07:33.22ckknightthat works, Antiarc :-)
07:33.25Zhinjioits the approach to solving the problem thats interesting to see
07:33.26Arrowmastersome of us just arent good with doing math in our heads
07:33.48Zhinjiowe never qualified whether or not tools were allowed or not
07:33.56Zhinjioif they asked for a calculator, we'd give them one
07:34.00Zhinjiopen and paper? sure.
07:34.19ZhinjioI'd usually put a time limit on it though
07:34.28Zhinjiootherwise, some people would just sit there and stew until the end of the day
07:34.30Arrowmasteri took 4 highschool math classes in 2 years, aced all of them, and i cant do what most people would consider simple math in my head
07:34.33ckknight(1..100).inject(0) { |sum, i| sum + i }
07:35.12Dashkalruby looks more like vodoo than perl sometimes
07:35.14ZhinjioI consider myself to be a good interviewer.
07:35.20ckknightZhinjio: what if I asked for a ruby interpreter?
07:35.21ckknight:-P
07:35.26Zhinjioheheheee
07:35.26krkawhy would you expect it to look like perl?
07:35.36Arrowmastersome people find that weird that i cant do simple math in my head but i could remember and solve these super complex equasions in my head
07:35.41AntiarcDashkal: inject comes from Smalltalk :P
07:35.51ckknightbecause perl made a baby with smalltalk and ruby was formed, krka
07:35.54Dashkalkrka: I don't.  Just refering to the "arcane" factor.  It looks bizarre to me (I have zero experience with it)
07:36.15krkaruby, unlike perl, is actually quite elegant
07:36.21krkasort of like lua in that way
07:36.29DashkalI don't doubt your claim, but I cannot see it
07:36.37ckknightkrka: elegant in a different way, though
07:36.45ckknightthey both have their perks
07:36.50ckknightI prefer ruby, tbh
07:36.56Antiarc(1..100) means "for all numbers between 1 to 100"; inject is a recursive call, with 0 as the seed. { ... } is a "block", and |sum, i| are the parameters to the block
07:37.00nevcairielI prefer lua
07:37.03nevcairielits so simple
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07:37.09nevcairielelegance in simplicity
07:37.15Zhinjiointerviewing as much as I have I think has also made me interview for my own jobs pretty effectively as well.
07:37.27Zhinjiobut whatever.
07:37.28ckknightI like the whole passing in blocks of code paradigm that ruby has
07:37.29Arrowmasterkrka: agreed, except they both fall on the ends of the scale, one is super lightweight and it helps to understand the language a lot to optimize the code yourself, and the other well i dont even know if thats possible to do in
07:37.50DashkalAntiarc: ok, definitely intriguing there.  Meh, I'm gonna have to investigate this language at some point
07:38.04AntiarcSo, it takes 1, passes in 0, 1 as the parameters, and the result is 0 + 1. Then it takes 2, passes in the result (2), new result is 1 + 2 = 3, so on and so forth
07:38.15AntiarcBasically, it passes in each number and the result of the previous loop
07:38.16Repo10elkbuffbars: 03Elkano * r142 / (4 files in 2 directories): - moved alpha setting from bar to group
07:38.18Repo- added a scale option to group (also 'scales' position)
07:38.21AntiarcThen lets you do whatever with 'em
07:38.21Repo- there is no max... only math.max ^^'
07:39.05Zhinjionot sure if you guys have seen this yet or not: http://armory-musings.appspot.com/reports
07:39.09AntiarcThe classical case is to sum a range of numbers, but you can use inject for all kinds of voodoo
07:39.28DashkalThat is a cool trick.  Thanks for the explanation.
07:39.40DashkalDamnit, why did Java have to reject closures...
07:39.58ckknightDashkal: yea...
07:40.00DashkalThat kind of thing would have been possible
07:41.47ckknightequivalent in lua: function reduce(list, start, func) for _, item in ipairs(list) do start = func(start, item) end; return start; end
07:41.56Repo10elkbuffbars: 03Elkano * r143 ElkBuffBars.toc: pushed version to 2.2.3 for beta release
07:42.30ckknight(reduce is another name for inject)
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07:42.46ckknightslightly more LISPy than Smalltalky
07:44.39SkellumFrom woohoo to fuck in 2 lines
07:44.40SkellumI do not have a great deal of information for you at this point, but I can say we do share the concern specifically regarding burst damage in PvP. There is much discussion amongst the developers about PvP game play at this point. We're going to see how people fare once battles are more saturated with resilience, however, we are well aware this may not fully address the issue.
07:45.06AntiarcSpeaking as a rogue
07:45.07AntiarcThank god
07:45.12AntiarcPVP is retarded right now.
07:45.26AntiarcIf I face a team without block/bubble/guardian spirit, I win
07:45.30AntiarcIf I face a team with, I lose
07:45.48AntiarcArena right now is a giant bucket of stupid
07:45.58Skellumhi rogue
07:46.03SkellumI play a warlock.
07:46.10SkellumWhere would you like me to bend over?
07:46.13Arrowmasteraka a mushroom?
07:46.31AntiarcAllow me to express my sympathies to the warlock class
07:46.39AntiarcI will join you in QQing about ret paladins and DKs though
07:46.43AntiarcBecause screw them both
07:46.47Arrowmasterhunters too
07:46.55Antiarclol BW prep BW
07:47.14AntiarcOh hi 36 seconds of un-CCable +30% damage output from an already overpowered class
07:47.16AntiarcHow are you
07:47.25SkellumMmm, time for sleep before tommorows final
07:47.39Arrowmasterfuckers making me look bad in raids when im felguard/ruin spec and they disable pet merging in recount and list off how many people their pet out damaged
07:47.45SkellumHave fun! And remember, dont let those string theorists rest for a moment or they'll pull out more dimensions on you
07:47.53Skellum56/0/15 ftw.
07:48.05ckknighthehe
07:48.07ckknightthey ale
07:48.12ckknightthey already have like 11
07:48.23AntiarcArrowmaster: Oh, how I enjoy being #14 on Patchwerk because I only did 4100 DPS
07:48.24ckknightpersonally, I'm fine with my 4
07:48.27ckknightthey're just greedy
07:48.35AntiarcAs the class that should be #1 on Patchwerk easily, under perfect balance.
07:48.36ArrowmasterAntiarc: yeah i know
07:49.06SkellumWhy? Your damage cycling is far easier then an affliction locks
07:49.16SkellumRogues do need a boost though
07:49.20SkellumAnd they need to fix HAT
07:49.35AntiarcHAT is broken
07:49.43AntiarcMutilate and Combat need some very heavy PVE buffs
07:50.03AntiarcMutilate's theoretical maximum with best-in-slot gear and perfect raid buffs and perfect cooldown stacking is about 5.1k DPS
07:50.16AntiarcOur fury warrior did 6.9k DPS on Patchwerk a couple of days ago
07:50.19AntiarcHe still had a couple of blues.
07:50.41Antiarc11k DPS on Thaddius
07:50.46Arrowmasteri dont care what anybody says, deep wounds is still fucking broken somehow
07:50.58AntiarcDeep Wounds is retarded. It's a 20% damage increase for 3 talent points.
07:52.52AntiarcI did a parse of our last few Naxx runs
07:52.52AntiarcMe as a combat rogue in very good gear
07:52.52AntiarcAnd our fury warrior, in about the same gear
07:52.52AntiarcHe outdamaged me by 23%
07:52.55AntiarcDeep wounds account for, wait for it
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07:52.57Antiarc23% of his damage
07:53.14AntiarcBasically give rogues Deep Wounds and we're fine! :D
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08:00.40Repo- unfade indicator box for a ready check
08:00.43Repo- remove weapon buff check from main consumables config and check it explicitly only for rogue, shaman, and warlock
08:02.37Repo10buff-enough: 03Nickodemus_wow 041.1.5 * r70 : Tagging as 1.1.5
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08:04.24sb|workmorning
08:04.29ckknightI think dating is biased against the English. we're not a touchy-feely society.
08:05.10ckknightI was raised prim and proper
08:07.14ZhinjioI assume you mean, like... British English, and not "English-speaking"
08:07.38ckknightright
08:07.46ckknightAnglo-Saxon
08:07.52ckknightspecifically
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08:18.23Fisker-mwuhahhaa
08:18.48Fisker-in ~15 expansions we will have surpassed the resistance cap on pala auras
08:19.48Fisker-so mages, warlocks and priests are boned in ~20-30 years
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08:21.52quiescenso.o
08:21.57quiescensspell pen
08:22.04quiescens!
08:22.07Fisker-:(
08:22.18Fisker-or maybe they'll just see the problem coming ~10 years down the line :D
08:22.29AntiarcThis IS blizzard we're talking about.
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08:22.54AntiarcI mean rogues said "hi, HAT is going to be stupid broken in stacked groups, don't you want to change it?" and they said HAT IS FINE LERN2PLAY
08:23.22nevcairielwtf is HAT
08:23.28AntiarcHonor Among Thieves
08:23.29ZyndromeFisker- , by that time, they finally implement the promised dance editor :p
08:23.30Fisker-Something you wear on your head
08:23.30Fisker-hoho
08:23.31krkasomething you put on your head!
08:23.37Fisker-i was first krka
08:23.38Fisker-get out
08:23.40krkathat
08:23.41AntiarcBasically, every time someone in your group crits you get a combo point
08:23.43krka's what she said!
08:23.49AntiarcSo rogues just spam 5-point eviscerates all day for like 9000 DPS
08:23.57AntiarcAnd it's retarded and broken and boring and needs to be changed.
08:24.03AntiarcBut my choices right now are
08:24.08Antiarc4000 DPS with Mutilate/Combat
08:24.09Zyndromerogues doing 8k DPS on Loatheb with just spamming eviscerate
08:24.11nevcairieldont spec sub then :P
08:24.12AntiarcOr 9000 DPS with HAT
08:24.13Zyndrome"working as intended"
08:24.20AntiarcI'm combat because I don't want to be HAT
08:24.29ckknightwears a hat
08:24.30AntiarcIt just irritates me that it's as broken as it is
08:24.37AntiarcAnd that it's the only way for rogues to be competitive in raids
08:24.47ckknightlends Antiarc his hat
08:24.53AntiarcHooray, a hat.
08:24.54krkadon't be a HATer, be a participater!
08:24.56nevcairielour rogues do fine on combat
08:25.25Antiarcnevcairiel: warlocks, mages, hunters, warriors, ret paladins, and enh shaman all have better maximum DPS potential than non-HAT rogues
08:25.26Fisker-Judgement of Light irritates me
08:25.31AntiarcLike, by a couple thousand DPS
08:25.35AntiarcNot just 1 or 2%, but by a lot.
08:25.45Fisker-green numbers everywhere :(
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08:26.02Fisker-did an awesome Sartharion run yesterday btw
08:26.07Fisker-I was nr. 2 on healing
08:26.14Fisker-as retri
08:26.24Fisker-045695
08:26.26Fisker-doh
08:26.33nevcairielhacks Fisker-
08:26.36Fisker-:D
08:26.43Fisker-good thing it wasn't my account login
08:27.41nevcairielwarlocks seem to be the lowest right now
08:27.42Fisker-raidleader was lol btw
08:27.53AntiarcElemental shaman are the lowest right now, by a fair margin
08:27.59Repo10socialist: 03eblume * r65 / (5 files in 1 directory):
08:28.01Repo* WhoLib is now almost entirely implemented (despite the glaring bug in its code)
08:28.03Repo* Cleanup for beta release (as soon as above is resolved)
08:28.06Repo* Did you hear that? It's BETA time!
08:28.08Repo* Next up: Abstract SocialistForm to a module of Socialist, rename SocialistUI
08:28.10Fisker-even on the trash packs with Sartharion he was sub-1500 DPS
08:28.26nevcairielmeh dont have any comparative stats of elementals =P
08:28.28Repo10broker-hitcrit: 03Zhinjio * r48 docs/main.lua: - I'll get you yet, you dirty apes!
08:28.35nevcairielstill warlocks are pretty far down
08:29.19Antiarchttp://wowwebstats.com/ovr4u1r23zxte?s=409959-456500
08:29.26AntiarcPatchwerk last week
08:29.45Antiarchttp://wowwebstats.com/ovr4u1r23zxte?s=580625-639434
08:29.49AntiarcThaddius last week :P
08:29.51nevcairiel4 rogues in one raid? we would never ever do that, anyway =P
08:29.59AntiarcIt was a guild PUG
08:30.11AntiarcWe didn't have an official run last week so I just collected 25 folks and did it
08:30.13Fisker-wtf with that paladin?
08:30.14Fisker-ah
08:30.24Fisker-He's either prot or terribad
08:30.26Antiarcsum paladins iz prot
08:30.53Fisker-http://wowwebstats.com/mcz5ddxq3k5uk?s=607670-633238 <-nice dps!
08:31.41Fisker-http://wowwebstats.com/uhvdipzby141u?s=48466-77176 <-ah yeah nerf rogues
08:32.25Repo10wholib: 03eblume * r66 LibWho-2.0/LibWho-2.0.lua: * Fix of Lua error in Embed routine. See comment in file.
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08:33.54nevcairielthats exploiter rogues :P
08:34.09nevcairielchinese names, tells the story
08:35.00Fisker-We got a lot of dps'ers at 2-3k :E
08:35.06Fisker-WTB moar keypunching
08:36.23Groktarhehe
08:36.31Groktarroll faces left to right instead of right to left plx
08:37.58Fisker-http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fiskerdin <-best paladin in the world
08:39.05Fisker-having to put in the authenticator code on the armory is batshit retarded
08:39.18Fisker-"OMG THEY'RE VIEWING MY ARMORY PROFILE"
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08:40.53Xinhuanlol
08:41.36Repo10speakinspell: 03rismisner * r133 Locales/Locale-deDE.lua:
08:41.39RepoFixed case sensitive lowercase default spell names, and german name for berserker (not beserker) use /ss reset to get the new default settings
08:41.45Repo10socialist: 03eblume * r66 / (3 files in 2 directories):
08:41.47Repo* Including updated version of LibWho-2.0 so that I can bring out
08:41.47sb|workFisker-: huh? authcode in armory? where?
08:41.49Repothe beta tonight, and not wait for a tag of the fix.
08:41.51Repo* PLEASE, future me, remember to remove it.
08:41.56Fisker-when you login sb|work
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08:58.22Groktarwhispers a series of lewd suggestions into your ear
08:59.42Zyndrome"Eiffel 65 - Blue" is now playing in your head.
08:59.56pb_ee1o noes
09:01.21ckknightda ba de
09:01.23ckknightda ba die?
09:03.17sb|workmhhhhhm
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09:06.45Repo10speakinspell: 03leXin * r134 Locales/Locale-deDE.lua:
09:06.47RepoChanged a single wrong written Word "Prozenchance" to "Prozentchance" - Spelling mistake
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09:07.14Xinhuanoh god, time to add another word to my regex beeping ignore
09:07.25ckknightleXin?
09:07.28Xinhuanindeed
09:07.42ckknightXin
09:07.43ckknightXin
09:07.44Fisker-makes fun of Xinhuan
09:07.47Xinhuan</3
09:08.05Fisker-imma aXing you up
09:08.39sb|workmaah
09:08.43sb|worki'm bored...
09:08.49Xinhuanwell it already ignores *xing ;p
09:08.53sb|work~5h hours *sigh*
09:08.53Xinhuansuch as mixing and boxing
09:09.06Fisker-axin ?
09:09.13Xinhuanthat would trigger it
09:09.18Fisker-ok
09:09.24Fisker-Imma aXin' you up
09:09.40Fisker-we are having so much fun right ckknight ?
09:09.54ckknightleave him be
09:10.09Fisker-:(
09:10.11XinhuanFisker-: secret, ckknight beeps on "ck" :)
09:10.13Fisker-But it's fun :E
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09:10.17Fisker-cock?
09:10.18Fisker-:3
09:10.19ckknightXinhuan: false
09:10.21Groktarcurls up in ckknight's lap and goes to sleep
09:10.22Xinhuanaww
09:13.47Fisker-niiiiice
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09:16.45Repoadded a comment to demonstrate to leXin how SVN works when we both change a file at the same time
09:18.21Fisker-y so srs?
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10:03.15Repo10bison: 03Grayal * r10 / (3 files in 1 directory):  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
10:03.17Repo- Setting max buffs to 40, but more is allowed, perhaps a setting for this?
10:03.19Repo- Tweak some localization
10:03.22Repo- Add sorting by Duration
10:03.24Repo- Use Blizzard's UI flash method to perform the frame flashing
10:03.56Arrowmasterdoesnt that cause tainting? ^^
10:04.16Arrowmasteri remember there being some reason not to use it
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10:06.46Chosioh noez
10:06.50Chosicurse media server down
10:07.39nevcairielflashing?
10:07.48nevcairielit doesnt taint, but its rather unflexible to use
10:07.53nevcairielthe shake taints, iirc
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10:13.59Elsiaheya
10:14.28Elsiaanyone on who can help me with svn password issues?
10:14.42Repo10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r710 / (20 files in 18 directories): Add .docmeta file and luadoc file headers to all files
10:15.34nevcairieldepends what the issue is
10:15.51Elsiawell I get password incorrect when I try to commit to recount
10:16.07nevcairieldid you try to set the password again on the webpage?
10:16.13vhaarraccept the new terms
10:16.14Elsialet me try that
10:16.34nevcairielmm i killed the website it seems =P
10:16.40Elsiais the password the generic curse one now?
10:16.50nevcairielno, there is a seperate svn password
10:16.56nevcairielbecause its stored rather insecurely
10:17.02Elsiagotcha
10:18.33nevcairielckknight still awake? :)
10:20.31Elsiathanks, password issue resolved, now to fix syntax issues :D
10:22.11Repo10ace3: 03Nevcairiel * r711 .docmeta:
10:22.14RepoRemove special AceConfig handling from the .docmeta as it seems to not work as expected
10:24.04Repo10recount: 03Elsia * r948 locales/Recount-esES.lua: Recount:
10:24.07Repo- Adding localization for esES, thanks to Shadow450.
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10:30.35Repo- Update locale koKR
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10:40.25Repo- update quest data
10:40.27Repo- add tracked quest only option
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10:45.21Adirelle|workhello
10:45.58Adirelle|workdo all the PTR patchs contains all locales ? it's quite hard to download the french one, I'm wondering if I couldn't try the enUS
10:46.53HigdurAdirelle|work: doubt it
10:49.00nevcairielthe european do
10:49.22Adirelle|workso enGB should do the trick ?
10:53.39MaldiviaenGB contains deDE, esES and frFR vrsions aswell, yeah
10:55.20Xinhuan|cff71d5ff|Hspell:51663|h[Slap in the Face]|h|r
10:55.40Xinhuanhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51663
10:55.44Xinhuani loled
10:55.51Xinhuanits linkable in game
10:56.29nevcairielall spells are
10:56.35nevcairielthey are not protected like items
10:57.45AntiarcThat's awesome
10:58.06AntiarcI like how it's a 24 hour cooldown
10:58.36Xinhuanwhen linked in game
10:58.37Xinhuanit says
10:58.45Xinhuan"1.44e+003 min cooldown" in the tooltip
10:59.21selckinpro imo
10:59.31nevcairielXinhuan: thats 1 day :p
10:59.46Xinhuani know, its just cute it doesn't say 24 hours
10:59.49selckini almost wanna log just to wisper that link to someone :\
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11:05.10AntiarcHahaha
11:05.22AntiarcThat's sandwiched in between Hunger for Blood and Cut to the Chase
11:06.36MaldiviaI like http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=46706 better :)
11:10.19Antiarchttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=46146
11:11.23Repo10cartographer_quest-info: 03next96 * r101 / (2 files in 2 directories): Cartographer_QuestInfo:
11:11.26Repo- Update locale koKR
11:19.56quiescensis there any particularly good reason why great feasts should be soulbound
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11:21.37Slaymanjust out of curiosity, is the Alpha of Dr.Damage even supposed to be anywhere near correct?
11:33.26Repo10avengersaddonpack: 03Pericles * r2 .pkgmeta: Trial commit of .pkgmeta
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11:35.39nevcairiel@project avengersaddonpack
11:36.04nevcairiellazy repo
11:36.18Reponevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/projects/avengersaddonpack/. The Avengers Guild Addon Pack. Game: WoW. Status: Needs Approval. Pericles (Manager/Author). Updated: 92 minutes ago
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12:43.32Repo10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r27 / (2 files in 2 directories): AspectInspect: -
12:43.34RepoAdded mana check
12:43.39RepoAdded Run faster aspect check, in combat?
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12:59.29Repo-Abacus2 => Abacus3
12:59.32Repo-UIDropDown bugfix
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13:08.19Repo10easydkp: 03Pericles * r54 / (6 files in 2 directories):  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
13:08.21RepoEasyDKP: -
13:08.24RepoVersion 0.5.1
13:08.27RepoAdded separate return value for cost to player separate from value to raid
13:08.29RepoAdded readme.txt file to explain how to use the addon
13:08.37Repo10enhancedcalendar: 03Pericles * r9 RaidInviter.lua: RaidInviter: -
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13:35.30Repo10aspectinspect: 03StingerSoft * r28 Locales/Locale-ruRU.lua: AspectInspect: -
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13:53.56Repo10broker_transit: 03StormFX * r39 Locales (8 files in 1 directory): - Some updates.
13:54.11Repo10broker_transit: 03StormFX * r40 Broker_Transit.toc: - ToC Update.
13:56.39Repo10broker_transit: 03StormFX * r41 / (5 files in 1 directory): - Sigh
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13:58.28Repo10broker_transit: 03StormFX * r42 / (4 files in 1 directory): - Restructure some of the code.
13:58.31Repo- Tweak the options panel.
13:58.33Repo- Add an option to show "Transit" under a "Broker" category in the options window.
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14:26.37doom0ralready noted, but the time since update is really really nice
14:26.47doom0rdays were awful
14:30.54doom0rSorry, there was a problem with your last request!
14:30.54doom0rEither the site is offline or an unhandled error occurred. We apologize and have logged the error. Please try your request again or if you know who your site administrator is let them know too.
14:31.02doom0rwhen sorting a category by "updated" on curse
14:31.29doom0rok, any sorting
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15:00.41doom0r@project skillet
15:00.42Repodoom0r: http://www.wowace.com/projects/skillet/. Skillet. Game: WoW. nogudnik (Manager/Author). Updated: 11 days ago. Tickets: 13/22
15:04.38Kaelteng'morning guys
15:07.30SunTsuYay, I hope those +def/+parry 2h weapons make it into live BoE
15:07.35SunTsuHey Kaelten
15:09.00Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03maqjav * r1818 Locales/constants.es.lua: - esES update
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15:19.36xyuWhat are BoA items and what's that acronym stand for?  o_O
15:19.46doom0ro man, i just got 100g tip for making the loremaster cloak for someone, plus a skill point
15:19.57xyubonus!
15:20.04doom0rbind on account
15:20.11xyuah ok
15:20.17doom0rcan be mailed between account chars
15:20.23xyui haven't seen one of those
15:20.29xyudo they just drop in instances and stuff?
15:20.33doom0rno
15:20.51doom0rthe collector's edition pets and the heirloom items form the vendor in dalaran
15:21.07xyuah
15:21.42Repo10libbabble-faction-3-0: 03maqjav * r74 LibBabble-Faction-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Faction-3.0:
15:21.45Repo- esES update
15:22.43Repo10libbabble-inventory-3-0: 03maqjav * r67 LibBabble-Inventory-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Inventory-3.0:
15:22.46Repo-- esES update
15:23.17xyuugh i'm still looking for this last damn quest in hellfire :(    89/90
15:24.46doom0rlol
15:24.48doom0reveryquest ftw
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15:25.24xyuyay i just found it
15:25.30xyu"outland sucks!"
15:25.31xyuheh
15:25.38doom0rhaha
15:25.47doom0rperfect
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15:29.47Repo10libbabble-zone-3-0: 03maqjav * r168 LibBabble-Zone-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Zone-3.0:
15:29.50Repo-- esES update
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15:50.35Repo10gathermate: 03kagaro * r634 Constants.lua:
15:50.38RepoGatherMate: udpated EasternPlague lands size info and removed duplucate lake wintergrasp data
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15:53.15Repo10fu-bar_reagent-fu: 03Ackis * r72 FuBar_ReagentFu.toc: Update version in ToC
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15:58.39Repo10sell-o-matic: 03Silmano 04v1.1.04 * 9b9784a /: [new tag, +1 commits]
15:58.41Repo- Fixed esES locale.
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16:00.38Repo10fu-bar_reagent-fu: 03Ackis 043.01 * r74 : Tagging a 3.01 release
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16:14.04Fisker-http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13770857004&sid=1&pageNo=9#173 <-reference win
16:16.26doom0rno one gets it on the page or next one
16:16.32doom0ri'm not gonna bother checking the rest
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16:23.55basslingoanyone having strange issues with ag_UnitFrames not showing party members when you join in combat?   (doesnt always happen)
16:28.14Megalonbasslingo: known bug
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16:28.28Megalonit only happens when a frame has to be created in combat and was never created before
16:28.33basslingoah
16:28.41Megalonproblem is in blizzards code as i know
16:28.45basslingoyea
16:28.47Megalonwith the secure stuff
16:28.55basslingoFrameXML whines about its own error
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16:33.05dieckhi! is there any way to resize an AceConfig input field? "size" is not recognized as param
16:33.30dieckI'd like to make it a little bigger to show more text while editing
16:35.58Daemonaanyone know what "set fixedfunction 1" doesin detail ?
16:36.07Repo10gathermate_sharing: 03kagaro * r73 GatherMate_Sharing.lua:
16:36.10RepoGatherMate_Sharing: aded extra check to ensure it doesnt loop an add/delete
16:36.23doom0rhttp://old.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3#Common_parameters
16:36.24doom0rhttp://old.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3#input
16:36.27doom0rdieck
16:36.49Repo10enhancedcalendar: 03Pericles * r10 RaidInviter.lua: RaidInviter: -
16:36.52Repochanges to event list frame
16:40.15doom0rDaemona: guessing this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb173390(VS.85).aspx
16:40.41Daemonadoom0r i am talking about wow, i doubt its msdn related ?
16:40.47doom0ruh
16:40.53doom0rit's directx
16:41.15doom0rit's used in the config file as an option for directx
16:41.15AckisWork@project big-wigs
16:41.16RepoAckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/big-wigs/. BigWigs Bossmods. Game: WoW. funkydude (Manager/Author), Ammo (Author), Rabbit (Author). Updated: 26 hours ago. Tickets: 6/11
16:41.23doom0rdirectx is MS
16:41.42Daemonaduuh i take that back
16:41.44Daemonathx
16:41.50Fisker-slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout
16:41.54selckinbigwigs updated yet? had to resort to dbm a while back:(
16:41.54doom0r;x
16:42.33Repo10baldrick: 03LordFarlander * r123 / (2 files in 1 directory): Baldrick:
16:42.35Repo- Fix for picking stuff when not targeting anything
16:42.48doom0rwaits for selckin to realize the answer is on the screen
16:43.06selckinthat doesn't mean much really
16:43.16selckingets bumped all the time with notting usefull, or lib updates
16:43.22Fisker-slaps AckisWork around a bit with a large trout
16:43.48Megalonwell, KelThuzad p1 timer is still the old one ;x
16:43.53AckisWorkselckin: lib updates don't really force packages to be updated anymore
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16:44.39doom0rthe only "nothing useful" updates would be localization updates you're not interested in
16:44.47doom0rit's updated often regardless
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17:36.29RaydenUniso my guildmates get an error when they try to invite me
17:36.33RaydenUnitells them they can't invite their pet
17:39.38Gnarfozlol
17:42.23RaydenUniif they try /target petahoof    it targets their pet
17:42.36AntiarcWhich armory URL gives a list of realms?
17:43.03Antiarcnevermind, http://www.wowarmory.com/battlegroups.xml
17:47.36MegalonRaydenUni: haha, seems like wow checks if the name beginns with 'pet' and if so replaces the name with your pets name
17:48.06sztanpettargetexact should work tho
17:48.38Megalonsztanpet: nope, if the string starts with pet
17:48.43Megalonit gets replaced by your pets name
17:48.56Megalontargets my mechano-hog, even with targetexact
17:49.02Megalonnice bug
17:50.34sztanpethah
17:50.57sztanpet72.35.68.116 84.236.88.142 - [19/Dec/2008:13:56:47 +0100] "GET /user/soapCaller.bs HTTP/1.1" 404 345 "-" "Morfeus Fucking Scanner"
17:51.03sztanpetah such kiddies
17:52.41MegalonI am t3h h4x0r of th3 1nt73rn37ZZZ
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18:03.23Pneumatusis there a proper unit name for your focus' target?
18:03.51sztanpetfocustarget i think
18:04.01sztanpetand focustargettargettarget and so on
18:04.37Pneumatusah yeh, why didnt i think of that :o
18:04.43Pneumatusfocustarget appears to be valid :)
18:08.18Repo10nauticus: 03Drool * r111 / (10 files in 2 directories): - re-word some options (some may need re-translation)
18:08.21Repo- add some missing strings and slash commands to localisations
18:09.21Repo10libbabble-boss-3-0: 037destiny * r150 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: koKR Update
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18:12.36AckisWorkanyone using ARL's latest build?
18:13.26Pneumatusam using b12
18:13.55AckisWorkso you're just using the auto-updater?
18:14.01AckisWorkor the svn?
18:14.12Pneumatusjust betas from CC
18:14.26AckisWorkahh k
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18:16.29Pneumatusgranted, i rarely pay any attention to ARL these days because its usually wrong :P
18:16.52AckisWork:O
18:17.09Pneumatusall the new alchemy discoveries are showing as trainer learned, and Transmute: Eternal Might isnt even in the game yet
18:17.11AckisWorkonly thing wrong with it right now are skill levels which I'm fixing actually
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18:17.52PneumatusMighty Fire Protection Potion is showing 2 sources when both are the same mob
18:18.10AckisWorkdifferent ID's for the mob's
18:18.25Pneumatusdue to phasing?
18:18.32AckisWorkprobably
18:19.00AckisWorkwhich discoveries are showing as trainer?
18:19.01sylvanaarPneumatus i like your classloot mod btw
18:19.21PneumatusAckisWork: every single recipe you can learn via Northrend Alchemy Research... you want a list?
18:19.36Pneumatussylvanaar: thanks, most people hate it :P
18:19.56AckisWorkPneumatus: yes please
18:20.14sylvanaarI think its quite handy as a general guideline
18:20.52sylvanaarwe know how to think for ourselves - so information in all forms is useful
18:21.04PneumatusElixir of Mighty Defense, Crazy Alchemist's Potion, Powerful Rejuvenation Potion, Elixir of Lightning Speed, Elixir of Armor Piercing, Elixir of Deadly Strikes, Elixir of Mighty Mageblood
18:21.05AckisWorksylvanaar: I don't think for myself
18:21.08MegalonIf Megalon then 5 stars end
18:21.11AckisWorkPneumatus: that it?
18:21.15Pneumatusno, theres more
18:21.25Pneumatusthose are the ones ive got visible in my current filter that i know are discoveries
18:21.28nevcairieljust browse wowhead for recipes with no skill level
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18:21.40AckisWorkEternal Might is from discovery wowhead says
18:21.50nevcairielthere is no eternal might atm
18:22.04Pneumatussylvanaar: that was always the intention, as a nice quick guide based on some guy's opinions (which are fairly reasonable ones) to see who the item is meant for
18:22.30PneumatusEternal Might isn't in the game... it's not discoverable
18:22.47Repo10ka_raid-tracker: 03Celess * r115 / (14 files in 2 directories):  (Message trimmed by 23 lines)
18:22.50AckisWorkhmm the comment on wowhead said it was :P I'll believe you two however :P
18:22.50Repo- met criteria for version 2.2
18:22.53Repowhich is working through rewrites of certain portions of the code not yet
18:22.56Repohad a decent pass, WotLK data workable, stable features, and various
18:22.59Repoenhancements too many to count along the way.
18:23.14sylvanaarwell, i tried all the raid trackers that are on curse last night. and none of them really met my needs
18:23.26Repo10ka_raid-tracker: 03Celess 04v2.2 * r116 : Tagging as 2.2
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18:26.29PneumatusAckisWork: http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=11.171&filter=cr=9;crs=2;crv=0 BUT Eternal Might isnt in game, Mighty Arcane will have a recipe but just not on wowhead, and Alchemy/Mojo Madness dont count
18:26.31Pneumatusall the rest are either discovered from transmutes or Northrend Alchemy Research
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18:27.17Skellum"Too late...shoppers. Nefarius' great deals have taken hold. I cannot...control myself. I beg you Mortals, flee! Flee before I lose all sense of control. The Money rages within my wallet. I must release it! MINIATURES! T-SHIRTS! COMIC BOOKS! COWER MORTALS BEFORE THE PRICE CUTS OF LORD....NO! I MUST FIGHT THIS! ALEXSTRASZA, HELP ME! I MUST FIGHT! "
18:27.47SkellumBest thread ive seen in such al ong time
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18:28.20HirsuteAckisWork: It seems that a lot of enchanting recipes are listing incorrect minimum skill levels in ARL.  Do you want details of this reported, and if so, where?
18:28.48AckisWorkHirsute: are you running the newest release?
18:29.07HirsuteIs the newest release available on Curse?
18:29.11AckisWorkfrom svn
18:29.22HirsuteAh, no, not running from svn, just from Curse.
18:29.30AckisWorkkk
18:29.34AckisWorkproblem is wowdb sucks
18:29.38HirsuteHeh.
18:29.40AckisWorkand they won't fix any of their fucking bugs
18:29.49AckisWorkso they get skill levels from the dbc and not from the game
18:30.11HirsuteAnd if they don't fix them, and they keep doing that, then the bugs will multiply at frightening rates.
18:30.12AckisWork<PROTECTED>
18:30.26AckisWorkso I wrote an ingame miner for some of the shit I need
18:30.35AckisWorkjust my net has been unstable
18:31.01Pneumatusfortunately, once you get the database right it's just a case of adding new shit to it :o
18:31.13HirsuteAh, no problems, I'll see about running svn before worrying about it at all, then.
18:31.14Pneumatusas its not like it changes all that frequently
18:32.47AckisWorkPneumatus: exactly
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18:33.03AckisWorkbut right now it's a matter of getting what I can get from wowdb then fixing the shit
18:33.09Pneumatusyeh
18:33.13Repo10libbabble-faction-3-0: 03TrAsHeR * r75 LibBabble-Faction-3.0.lua: misc update
18:33.43AckisWorkand today was the first I was told about the discoveries :P
18:33.45AckisWorkwhich was a brain fart
18:34.28Pneumatusmy fault for assuming it had been ticketed then, i noticed it a while back and never bothered as i'd assumed others would have noticed too :P
18:36.10Pneumatusthe levels are technically right though, as you need 400 to discover them, although you wont actually get a recipe till 401 due to always getting a skillup from research :>
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18:36.53PneumatusAckisWork: the transmutes levels are wrong though
18:36.57AckisWork<-- OCD ARL won't be done til it's 100% accurate
18:38.11PneumatusTransmute: Titanium is 395 according to wowhead (400 on ARL) therefore all the eternal transmutes should also be 395
18:38.50Pneumatusall the eternals are at 385 at the moment, but they are discovered from transmuting titanium initially
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18:40.20Repo10libbabble-zone-3-0: 03TrAsHeR * r169 LibBabble-Zone-3.0.lua: frFR update
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18:46.51trhRaydenUni: about /target, does /targetexact work?
18:47.13RaydenUnii didn't know about target exact
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18:48.05RaydenUnistill the pet
18:49.45trhRaydenUni: too bad :( - but was worth a try
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18:50.01RaydenUnijust means i can never be invited to a group by a hunter
18:50.14sztanpetor dk
18:50.44nevcairielor someone on a new mount
18:50.46nevcairielhaha
18:52.27Repo10arl: 03Ackis * r1252 / (3 files in 2 directories):
18:52.30RepoUpdate data miner to address alchemy discoveries, fix a few bugs
18:53.01AckisWorkor a warlock? or a priest with a shadowfiend out? or a mage with a water elemental out? or a shaman with their wolves out? or a druid with their treants out?
18:55.44trhRaydenUni: /invite <name> in the chat should work
18:56.15RaydenUnimy guildmates couldn't
18:56.29RaydenUniit kept telling them they couldn't invite "Gorilla"
18:57.34trhRaydenUni: oh.. i see.. it seems that the InviteUnit(...) functions accepts unit's too and that the function assumes on pet* the pet
18:57.54RaydenUniyep
18:58.00trhi wonder which orang utan at blizzard thought of that
18:58.12trhyou should report it in the ui/macros forum
18:58.23kenlyricI spent 30 seconds trying to figure out what an orange utan was
18:58.31trhat least you can get a free rename out of it ;)
18:58.32Repo10arl: 03Ackis * r1253 / (2 files in 1 directory): Add some alchemy skill levels
18:58.34kenlyricguess maybe I should eat something
18:58.56trhkenlyric: hehe.. i used it because it sounds so great if a american says it ;)
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19:12.32RaydenUniif everything procs i have over 6000ap
19:13.23Fisker-if everything procs i have over 9000 ap
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19:14.52AckisWorkif everything procs I have a penis
19:17.19Fisker-just barely though
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19:20.14xyuanyone else randomly lagging out and then not being able to connect
19:22.58Repo10wholib: 03akazik * r67 LibWho-2.0/LibWho-2.0.lua: - fixed lib['ebmed'] (Ticket #2)
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19:32.03tlundis there an updated version of BuffSort, or any other addon that can sort my buffs according to time left?
19:39.34Zhinjioelkbuffbars
19:40.18AckisWorkZhinjio: I wrote something to get skill levels out of recipes ingame, having someone do it now for me so the next push should have accurate skill levels
19:40.41sylvanaargoogles COMBAT_LOG_UNFILTERED
19:40.42Zhinjiosure
19:40.45Zhinjiosounds good
19:41.14ZhinjioI'm curious how you did that, but *shrug*
19:42.28AckisWorkfor i = 1 to end of trainer, do get infoz, put infoz in a table, end dump table into copy and paste box
19:42.29tlundZhinjio: can it show the buffs like the default UI, just sorted?
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19:42.53Zhinjiotlund: it takes a bit of work to get it that way, but yes, it can. you just turn off bars and text and leave cooldowns and icons on
19:43.04tlundZhinjio: cool thanks. ill try it out!
19:43.30sylvanaarno alternative to COMBAT_LOG_UNFILTERED is there if I want to handle the sub events
19:43.37ZhinjioAckisWork: how does that help you get levels?
19:44.09doom0rZhinjio: http://ace.pastey.net/104661
19:44.21AckisWorkZhinjio: it should yes
19:45.02AckisWorkhttp://ace.pastey.net/104662
19:47.21ZhinjioI don't think that tells you difficulties though
19:47.29Zhinjioit just tells you when you can learn things
19:47.35Repo10arl: 03Ackis * r1254 ARLDataminer.rb:
19:47.38RepoAll trainer recipes skill levels added to miner (Thanks doom0r)
19:47.39Zhinjioand some things when you learn them, are immediately grey
19:48.03AckisWorkoh I'm not concerned with difficulty
19:48.13doom0rarl just tells you where to get shit :P
19:48.14Pneumatusall the pre-northrend alchemy recpies were missing from that last pastey
19:48.16Zhinjioand the transitions from orange->yellow->green->grey are not normalized.
19:48.25Zhinjiook, I misinterpreted.
19:48.41doom0rPneumatus: they're all dalaran vendors
19:48.41ZhinjioI misunderstood what the goal was. nm.
19:48.53doom0ras noted
19:49.07Pneumatusits weird that the dalaran trainers will teach you every single BS recpie though, but not other professions
19:49.18doom0ri don't think it was every single one
19:49.22Pneumatusand engineering
19:49.23doom0rjust recipes to level
19:49.29Pneumatusand inscriptions
19:49.33Zhinjiothere are some from rep, no?
19:49.41Repo10arl: 03Ackis * r1255 / (2 files in 2 directories): Fix a few typos/bugs with the miner
19:49.43Pneumatusthey arent trainer recpies :P
19:49.57doom0rthere ARE loremaster ones
19:50.04doom0rAckisWork: you aware of the skill levels on those?
19:50.11AckisWorkloremaster whats?
19:50.26doom0rtailoring has Deathchill Cloak if you're a loremaster of northrend
19:50.35doom0rand Wispcloak if you're a Northrend Dungeonmaster
19:50.44AckisWorkahh didn't know that tbh
19:50.46doom0rthey're available at 420 from the trainer in a separate dialog
19:50.59doom0rthe dbs say 435 i think
19:51.07doom0rbut they became available for me at 420
19:51.16doom0rdbs -> website dbs
19:51.19AckisWorktoss a ticket for them please
19:52.05doom0rmm, looks like dataminer got em proper
19:52.11Repo10broker-tradecooldowns: 03Zhinjio * r33 / (2 files in 2 directories): - added in showing a cooldown on the text field
19:52.34doom0ralthough it says 415, but that may be right, i think i skipped stopping at vendor then
19:52.41doom0rsince i still had orange recipes
19:53.48AckisWorkI'm running the miner now, give me an hour to see if the stuff I did worked :P lol
19:54.26doom0rmm, food time
19:57.57Repo10libqtip-1-0: 03Torhal * r46 / (2 files in 2 directories): Moved license text from main Lua file to LICENSE.txt
19:58.00RepoCleaned up some comments and removed irrelevant ones.
19:58.02RepoAdded tipPrototype methods :SetDefaultProvider() and :GetDefaultProvider()
19:59.49Repo10libqtipclick-1-0: 03Torhal * r4 / (2 files in 2 directories):
19:59.51RepoIn LibQTipClick:Acquire(): Added call to tooltip:SetDefaultProvider(cProvider) to allow addons to ignore the CellProvider.
20:01.41Repo10libqtipclick-1-0: 03Torhal * r5 LibQTip-1.0/LibQTip-1.0.lua: Updated embedded LibQTip to latest version.
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20:04.29eblumeHey all. I'm looking to make my addon modular. I've been looking at other addons that are modular, and it looks like there are several ways to do this.
20:04.35eblumeIs there a way you would reccomend?
20:04.43eblumeEven recommend?
20:06.09Xinhuanit depends on you
20:06.16trhor on your addon
20:06.34Xinhuanmodular can mean a lot of different things
20:06.50Repo10skinner: 03Jncl 07master * b1.9183.16-1-g4bd8cd3 / (5 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Skinner: Skinner ShadowDancer3
20:06.56Xinhuanit can mean 1 core addon, and 10 different subaddons each in their own addon folder (such as bigwigs)
20:07.13Xinhuanand the core addon loads them as necessary (another example is atlasloot enhanced, and quartz)
20:07.33Repo10skinner: 03Jncl 04b1.9183.17 * 2efb953 /: [new tag]  Tagging as b1.9183.17
20:07.42Xinhuanit can also mean 1 big addon, but with sub files, where each file is standalone and deletable if the user doesn't want that sub-feature
20:07.55Xinhuanexamples would be like Postal, Routes
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20:08.01trhor you don't use subaddons and make it modularized for abstraction/readability
20:08.18Xinhuanmodular can also mean coding in a modular way where its MVC
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20:08.34Xinhuanwhere the display code is in one module, the data gathering code is in one module
20:08.41Xinhuanand the core is in another module
20:08.49eblumeSorry, got called away, let me look that over and respond :-)
20:08.50Xinhuansuch an addon is GatherMate, another is Gatherer
20:08.56trhi'd put that into the readability category
20:09.08Xinhuannot true trh, its a bit more than readability
20:09.11Fisker-eats Xinhuan
20:09.22trhwell.. technically
20:09.23XinhuanMVC style modules means you can replace one core component with another
20:09.27Xinhuanlike a black box, easily
20:09.52TorhalZhinjio: Pinglets.
20:10.03Zhinjioheh, misread as piglets at first.
20:10.08trhi know.. i worked with a h-mvc based web-framework =)
20:10.09TorhalHah, I figured :)
20:10.15Zhinjiosup?
20:10.41TorhalAllStats' tooltip is borked, especially if you change the settings then re-display
20:10.45Zhinjioaw yr push
20:10.46Zhinjiosaw
20:10.48Xinhuanafk!
20:10.48eblumeOk - reading that, I'm definitely using an MVC model. I have my core addon which datamines, and I want to take my current UI code (which is right now just this big old CreateFrame call, really) and turn it in to something which can be turned on/off at will, and which has its own Ace3 addon name.
20:10.55Zhinjioyes, it is.
20:11.02TorhalOk.
20:11.03TorhalHeh
20:11.20ZhinjioI was assuming it was just carryover from qtip bugs that had already been fixed and would be fixed when I pulled in the updated version of the library
20:11.32Xinhuanu should really only use a MVC style if you really need it
20:11.37Zhinjiowhich I was hoping you guys would actually tag for release at some point
20:11.43Xinhuanotherwise MVC would actually slow down code
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20:11.51Xinhuandue to overheads
20:11.57eblumeMm. I see what you mean.
20:12.01TorhalWell, as soon as I figure out how to tag with the same tage, sure.
20:12.04Xinhuanof accessing data from one module to another
20:12.07eblume<PROTECTED>
20:12.15Xinhuanat least, for wow addons
20:12.36Xinhuandepends on what your addon is about, and how large it is, and its scope
20:12.38TorhalI'd like LibStub to handle the bugfix versions
20:13.01TorhalThen again, since I added :SetDefaultProvider() and :GetDefaultProvider(), I guess I could bump the tag to 1.1
20:13.29ZhinjioI thought at some point, there was going to be a "latest" redirector for svn paths so it wouldn't matter too much what the tag was, the "latest" designator would always pull the most recent beta or release build.
20:13.58trhand following mvc 100% is kinda unpractical
20:14.17Zhinjiorebundling everything when libraries update is a major pain .. I can't wait for disembeding to work
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20:14.25eblumeXinhuan: I'd like to make it possible for other developers to write their own UI for my data core, but I'd like my default UI to be an on-by-default (though disable-able) part of the one single WoW addon.
20:14.25Zhinjios/bed/bedd/
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20:14.29eblumeDoes that make sense?
20:15.06Xinhuanif so, you should probably write them as 2 seperate addons
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20:15.45Xinhuanwhere B depends on A, but B can be replaced by C
20:15.48TorhalZhinjio: That's kinda why I wanted LibStub to handle the versioning instead of having the packager rename the damn thing
20:17.00TorhalMeh. I need versioning advice.
20:17.06TorhalGoddamn libraries :)
20:17.44TorhalSince I added two ne wfunctions to LibQTip, should I re-tag it as LibQTip-1.1?
20:17.47eblumeXinhuan, I always personally hate when one addon project installs multiple addons, but perhaps I'm just being weird? I guess what I'm asking is, is that solution OK or is it frowned upon?
20:17.52eblumeI'd like for this to be as elegant as possible.
20:17.59Torhals/ne w/new/
20:18.59trheblume: you could make the logic your addon, one module that is the dataminer and one module that renders the gui
20:19.18eblumeTorhal=~s/new/new /
20:19.18eblumeAw.
20:19.18eblumeWorth a shot.
20:19.32Torhaleblume: I noticed. Didn't wanna spam again :)
20:19.45eblumeHahah, no, I just wanted to see if that worked with purl
20:19.50TorhalAh
20:19.54eblumetrh: That is intriguing.
20:20.49trhor even seperate the logic of your addon in multiple modules.. pretty much depends on how much logic you got
20:20.50nevcairielTorhal: if you only add functions, i wouldnt increase the major version number, as long as the previous one remain functional and untouched API wise
20:20.54eblumeAnd also, is there any library (Perhaps AceAddon3) which supports/extends/implements etc. a modular interface?
20:21.23Torhalnevcairiel: It has. I just want to push a new release but you can't use the same tag name.
20:21.26eblumeor is that up to me to implement?
20:21.40trheblume: AceAddon-3
20:21.40Torhaleblume: That's on you. Preference.
20:21.50nevcairielwell that what we have the minor revisions for
20:22.00nevcairielnot sure how you setup your versioning now
20:22.12KaeltenMatrix110: ping
20:22.19eblumeWhere is the API for AceAddon-3 anyway?
20:22.26Matrix110Kaelten: pong
20:22.37Torhalnevcairiel: LibQTip-1.0 is current. I was wanting to have LibStub handle bugfix versions but the packager makes that impractical.
20:22.39KaeltenMatrix110: do you remember what folders where showing up as rphelper?
20:22.48Matrix110I can check the logs
20:22.50Matrix110sec
20:22.50TorhalSince I've added two new functions, I' assuming the way to go would be LibQTip-1.1
20:23.14nevcairielHow does the packager have anythign to do with it?
20:23.21nevcairielmm i better look at how you did it =P
20:23.43TorhalI can't tag as v1.0-release twice.
20:23.53nevcairielOf course not
20:23.57Shotv1.0a
20:24.12nevcairielthats why i always use 1.0.0 as version numbers :D
20:24.18TorhalSo if I'm just doing minor bugfixes/cleanup, I have to up the version number even though LibStub should technically handle that
20:24.26trheblume: it's pretty easy - you create your "main" - addon by myaddon = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon(addonname) and the modules by myaddn:NewModule("modulename");
20:24.42Matrix1100102(121802:123302:125402) 02(Matrix11002) Kaelten: Babble-Mount-2.2 Babble-Race-2.2 SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0 got removed
20:24.42nevcairiel1.0 being the major in the lib name, and the .0 being the minor version i pass to libstub
20:24.43trheblume: addon and modules get oninitialize, onenable and ondisable
20:24.48KaeltenTorhal: if you just up the minor version and tag it as 1.0.1
20:25.01Matrix110hmm I hope the tags didnt look weird in here
20:25.03Matrix110:P
20:25.17TorhalKaelten: Danke. Though I always read that as Major.Minor.Bugfix
20:25.34Kaelten"So if I'm just doing minor bugfixes/cleanup,"
20:25.37eblumetrh: What's the difference between :NewAddon and :NewModule then?
20:25.54Kaelteneblume: modules play by a few special rules
20:26.06Kaeltenlike they will always be enabled after their parent etc
20:26.09nevcairielWell if you added new functionality its your choice to rename it to 1.1
20:26.13nevcairielbut meh, i wouldnt do it
20:26.26KaeltenTorhal: only up to 1.1 if you break the api
20:26.34Kaeltenimho
20:26.49Kaeltenadding doesn't break it, changing the bahavior or removing a function does break the api
20:26.53TorhalOk. 1.0.1, then. But should I change it in the file for LibStub or leave it as-is since I didn't break API?
20:26.53eblumeKaelten: Is there a list of these special rules somewhere?
20:27.13TorhalI did change the LibStub minor
20:27.14nevcairielthose are not "rules"
20:27.21Kaeltenwell no not rules, but they are a little different
20:27.41eblumeOk, differences then?
20:27.49trhexcept activation order
20:27.54trhpractically none
20:28.04eblumeAlright, good enough for me.
20:28.25eblumeThanks everyone!
20:28.27trhthey can also inherit methods from the parent
20:28.38trhbut that's little more advanced
20:28.53Zhinjioback.
20:28.55Repo10libqtip-1-0: 03Torhal 04v1.0.1-beta * r47 : Tagging as v1.0.1-beta
20:30.06Repo10libqtipclick-1-0: 03Torhal 04v1.0.0-beta * r6 : Tagging as v1.0.0-beta
20:30.57EthanCentauraiLibQTipClick huh?
20:31.02EthanCentauraiinvestigates
20:31.26TorhalAye
20:32.42Repo10considerater: 03catamorfizm 07master * 24db4bb Considerater.toc: [new, +1 commit] import TOC
20:34.05XinhuanTorhal, shouldn't the revision number be sufficient?
20:34.30nevcairielew @ revisions for versioning
20:34.41Xinhuanwell wow does use something similar nevcairiel
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20:35.07TorhalXinhuan: Aye
20:35.07Xinhuanwow uses expansion.major.minor.revision or something
20:35.19Xinhuan3.0.3.9183
20:35.30Xinhuanhasn't really gone wrong
20:35.32nevcairielyes, but their code isnt exported into other repositorys with other revision bases =P
20:35.46Xinhuanhmmmm true
20:35.56Xinhuanbut do you really expect libqtip to be exported into other repos?
20:35.59TorhalI just tagged as 1.0.1, upped the MINOR in my LibStub call, and left the rest the same.
20:36.03Xinhuanthey can just external it
20:36.23nevcairielmaybe its not wowace
20:36.33nevcairieland not svn
20:36.49TorhalTitanPanel has LibQTip embedded, for example.
20:36.50Xinhuan<Repo> libqtip-1-0: Torhal v1.0.1-beta * r47 : Tagging as v1.0.1-beta <-- fairely sure its wowace and svn :P
20:37.40nevcairielnot his repo
20:37.43nevcairielthe other repo
20:37.52Xinhuanif titan panel hardembeds libqtip, then the revision number is "fixed"
20:38.00Xinhuanand shouldn't matter
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20:38.22Repo10considerater: 03catamorfizm 07master * d1aa440 .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] pkgmeta file
20:38.41Xinhuanas it would be hard embedding a specific revision number
20:41.14*** join/#wowace Industrial (n=Industri@194.145.194.227)
20:41.20Industrialis there an rss feed for new addons?
20:41.37sylvanaarim going to libify FailBot, i really like that thing
20:41.47Xinhuanlol @ Failbot
20:41.49sylvanaarand recode it
20:41.51Repo10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r29 / (3 files in 2 directories): AspectInspect: -
20:41.53Xinhuanone of my officers installed it
20:41.54RepoAdded aspect watching options
20:42.02Xinhuangonna be lol next raid
20:42.06sylvanaarI *LOVE* it
20:42.45Xinhuan(but why libify it?)
20:42.47TorhalIndustrial: http://www.wowace.com/projects.rss
20:42.56sylvanaarthere are already 2 different versions of it
20:43.07sylvanaarits less than 2 weeks old
20:43.21Xinhuanas in, 2 different ppl wrote 2 different addons?
20:43.28Xinhuanor, one ripped off from the other?
20:43.30sylvanaarno, there is a "fan update"
20:43.45Xinhuanso again, why libify it?
20:43.58IndustrialTorhal: is that only new, not updated?
20:44.07Xinhuansomething should never be libified if not more than 2 addons will ever use it concurrently in a user's addon list
20:44.10TorhalIndustrial: Unfortunately, no.
20:44.28Industrialcause I dont care for getting spammed with god-knows-how-much updates per day here that i dont care about
20:44.31sylvanaarso i should monolith it?
20:44.31Industrialaw, k
20:44.39sylvanaarI can
20:45.22Xinhuani mean, consider Gatherer/gathermate/carto_prof, they do the same thing, but it doesn't mean ppl should write a library for the gathering backend - because no user would run 2 addons using the same backend
20:45.23sylvanaarI'd like to use it in other places, and it hard codes output to raid chat
20:45.42sylvanaaryou gotta understand the concept of reuse
20:45.48Repo10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r30 / (2 files in 1 directory): AspectInspect: -
20:45.50RepoAdded AceTimer
20:45.50Industrialcopy paste!
20:45.53Industrial:P
20:46.19sylvanaarthats the most vile practice there is
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20:47.02sylvanaarat the moment the only unit of reuse in common usage is a library
20:47.25Xinhuanbecause that's what a library means - shared usage
20:47.29sylvanaarright
20:47.37Parnicdoes anyone know which function figures out the player's skill level of a given profession? GetTradeSkillInfo seems to be returning a bunch of nils
20:47.50sylvanaari understand that 100%, hence libification
20:48.12Xinhuanwhat i'm saying is, if AddonA and AddonB can both use libraryX, but no user would ever run both A and B at the same time together, then X should not be a library
20:48.23Xinhuanand A and B should implement their own optimized X
20:48.36sylvanaarXinhuan fails at reuse.
20:48.49Xinhuanits not a matter of reuse
20:48.53sylvanaar(that was a Failbot joke)
20:49.10Repo10considerater: 03catamorfizm 07master * 1263c4a .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] more externals
20:49.13sylvanaarYes it is. Reuse is an important programming practice.
20:49.28sylvanaarIf there is an alternative to reuse great
20:49.34sylvanaarer libraries
20:49.46Repo10lib-st: 03ddumont * r65 Core.lua: events on resize fix?
20:50.04sylvanaari tried earlier in the year proposing one, and tekkub said "why not just use LibStub"
20:50.18Tekkub^^
20:50.22Repo10lib-st: 03ddumont * r66 Core.lua: indents
20:50.29sylvanaarso, lib it is
20:50.40Xinhuanheh i think i get what you mean now
20:51.16Repo10considerater: 03catamorfizm 07master * 29fb9fc / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] import starting Core.lua and embeds.xml files
20:51.21Tekkublike my ItemID memo table... I rip id's from links all the time, why recode it?  and as bonus, use a memoizing table so that I don't have to do it every time
20:52.01Tekkubso I have a lil 5-line "lib" in libstub for it
20:53.49sylvanaarbut yeah, failbot needs a little recoding, but its a clever idea, and funny as hell
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20:54.14Xinhuanya haha
20:54.47Xinhuando u remember Antiarc's Flippy addon ;p
20:54.48sylvanaarit funny, and at the same time encourages non-failure
20:54.57Xinhuan"You seem to be standing in a fire"
20:55.08sylvanaarlol, no i dont
20:55.16trhlol.. failbot got 666 downloads total ;)
20:55.17AckisWork@project failbot
20:55.19RepoAckisWork: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/failbot/. FailBot. Game: WoW. Veev (Manager/Author). Updated: 9 days ago
20:55.23AckisWork@project failbot-enhanced
20:55.24RepoAckisWork: No project found that matches 'failbot-enhanced'
20:55.30AckisWork@project failbotenhanced
20:55.31RepoAckisWork: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/failbotenhanced/. FailBotEnhanced. Game: WoW. gnuu_onyxia (Manager/Author). Updated: 7 days ago
20:55.49Xinhuanhere sylvanaar: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_082508_210848.jpg
20:56.05Xinhuanits a mockup of Clippy, MS Office assistance
20:56.07nevcairielhaha i need to install failbot
20:56.16sylvanaarim converting the fail detection to fire CBH events
20:56.19EthanCentauraiwhy do I have access to Admin actions on WoWAce? I don't recall being an admin :/
20:56.28AckisWorksylvanaar: you're rewriting it too? lol
20:56.32sylvanaaryeah lol
20:56.41sylvanaarim making it reusable
20:56.56AckisWorksomeone did a complete rewrite (see the enhanced version)
20:56.58Xinhuani'm not sure what you mean by reusable in this case though
20:57.10sylvanaarit isnt a rewrite, its an extension
20:57.14Xinhuandid you mean being able to add more bosses to it later?
20:57.26doom0romfg, i want that
20:57.30Groktarwoot, i finally got my weapon enchant ^_^
20:57.51Repo10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r31 / (2 files in 1 directory): AspectInspect: -
20:57.54RepoTesting Acetimer
20:58.10sylvanaarXinhuan i mean, that you can take what I am writing and use it to make your own addon
20:58.21sylvanaarwithout copy/paste
20:58.28doom0rdid Flippy handle typing /wrist or /kill like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23742376@N00/65326328/ ?
20:58.36Xinhuanno hehe
20:58.36AckisWorkLibFailBot or LibXinhuan? ;)
20:58.42Xinhuanthe only thing it did was the fire lol
20:58.44sylvanaarLibFail
20:58.50nevcairielisnt it a synonym Ackis?
20:58.55sylvanaardont any of you take it either
20:59.03AckisWorknevcairiel: yes lol
20:59.13AckisWork@project LibFail
20:59.14RepoAckisWork: No project found that matches 'LibFail'
20:59.37Repo10considerater: 03catamorfizm 07master * fa37650 .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] add StatLogic to externals
20:59.49AckisWorkbtw Xinhuan I've been updating IHML for wrath, contribute pls :P Help me be lazier
21:00.10Xinhuan;p
21:00.12nevcairielHelpMeIAmLazy .. new Addon for you ackis =P
21:00.18Xinhuani'm done doing all the dailies in northrend!
21:00.18sb|workmeh
21:00.23Xinhuantomorrow is the last day i'm doing sons dailies
21:00.27Xinhuanexalted with everything!
21:00.29sb|workis it somehow possible to record HEALING DONE for malygos p3? :o
21:00.37sb|worki want to know WTF some people are actually doing there :/
21:00.38AckisWorkpfft you aren't exalted with the sons? casual
21:00.48Xinhuani'm not human :(
21:00.48sb|work(and no, not at work anymore... just my shell irc client :p)
21:00.52Xinhuanand i've been doing it everyday, ackis!
21:01.03AckisWorkI'm not human either and I'm exlated
21:01.10AckisWorkget those everfrost chips
21:01.17cladhaireI'm still level 70
21:01.32AckisWorkclad: do you own wrath? ;)
21:01.40sylvanaari just made it
21:02.13Repo10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r32 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: -
21:02.15Xinhuanmeh fuck spending time on farming chips!
21:02.19EthanCentauraimeh I'm still level 28 :O
21:02.23Xinhuani'm spending 10 hours on fishing this gold coin instead :D
21:02.42AckisWork@project libfail
21:02.43RepoAckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libfail/. LibFail-1.0. Game: WoW. Status: Changes required. Your project requires a better description. Please elaborate on what your project does, including basic functionality and intended use.. sylvanaar (Manager/Author). Updated: 2 minutes ago
21:02.43sylvanaar@project LibFail-1.0
21:02.44Reposylvanaar: No project found that matches 'LibFail-1.0'
21:02.56sylvanaarlol
21:02.59EthanCentaurai@fail
21:03.10sylvanaarsylvanaar fails at descriptions
21:03.36Xinhuanhaha
21:03.42RepoNew project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libfail/. LibFail-1.0. sylvanaar (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis.
21:03.58AckisWorkLibFail is now forever tainted by dry-coding
21:04.05doom0rmeh, i need a rare fish and the tourney and i'm done fishing cept for food
21:04.10EthanCentauraiAckis: IHML = IHateMovingLol? :D
21:04.18AckisWork@project ihml
21:04.19RepoAckisWork: http://www.wowace.com/projects/ihml/. IHML - I Have Macro Lol!. Game: WoW. Status: Out of date. asgasgfagafdg. Ackis (Manager/Author), Snago (Author). Updated: 16 hours ago. Tickets: 2/7
21:04.28AckisWorkwtf
21:04.32AckisWorkasgasgfagafdg
21:04.51AckisWorkhaha
21:04.56AckisWorkI found a bug with rapo bot
21:05.35sylvanaarhaha
21:06.08Pneumatusi cant work out from armory who this screenshot belongs to http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9156/wowscrnshot101407130246ml3.jpg
21:06.12sylvanaarlol
21:06.17Pneumatusgot a funny feeling they've renamed
21:06.24Repo10considerater: 03catamorfizm 07master * 0b28689 .pkgmeta: [+1 commit] set external StatLogic directly to StatLogic-1.0 folder
21:06.40EthanCentauraijesus christ :O
21:06.58RepoNew project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/considerater/. Considerater. catamorfizm (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis.
21:07.02EthanCentauraihow do you play with all that shit on screen?
21:07.03xyuis wowequip abandoned?  it doens't work anymore
21:07.04RepoNew project: http://www.wowace.com/projects/tourguide_lunarfestival/. TourGuide - The Lunar Festival. ethancentaurai (Manager/Author). Approved by Ackis.
21:07.23EthanCentauraiwow, I didn't expect that to get approved
21:07.29nevcairieloh noes ackis approving wowace projects
21:07.41nevcairielyeah ackis did it, he approves everything =P
21:07.41AckisWorkeveryone panic
21:07.47EthanCentauraipanics
21:07.48AckisWorkno I don't :P
21:07.54Gnarfoz<AckisWork> I found a bug with rapo bot <-- rape-o-bot?
21:08.05PneumatusEthanCentaurai: no idea, but i bet its awesome
21:08.23EthanCentauraiit will be once I've finished it ;)
21:08.44KalrothGnarfoz: I've seen the code it handles and it isn't far from the truth!
21:08.46trhnevcairiel: well.. his name suggests it "ACKis" ;)
21:08.54*** join/#wowace Sunwind (n=Paradox@cpc1-brmb6-0-0-cust544.bagu.cable.ntl.com)
21:09.11Gnarfozsylvanaar, Xinhuan: btw, both FailBot and FailBotEnhanced are horrible code ;D please do it better? ;p
21:09.18doom0r@project wow/bigwigs_forte
21:09.19Repodoom0r: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/bigwigs_forte/. BigWigs Forte Mod. Game: WoW. ProxinForte (Manager/Author). Updated: 12 hours ago
21:09.20*** join/#wowace cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics)
21:09.38Xinhuani'm sure we can
21:09.44Xinhuanbut it doesn't mean we should
21:09.46AckisWorkwtf
21:09.55AckisWorkhttp://www.wowace.com/admin/reports/470-licenses_license-gnu-general-public-license-version/
21:09.55doom0rit's 2 module updates
21:10.54doom0rAckisWork: you're not licensed to view the license FAIL
21:11.28AckisWorkyou can't view: http://www.wowace.com/licenses/7-gnu-general-public-license-version-3-gplv3/ ?
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21:12.06KalrothGnarfoz: how enhanced is failbotenhanced? :p
21:12.08Xinhuanhe can't view stuff with /admin in it
21:12.13doom0r^
21:12.15AckisWorkyah that's what I thought Xinhuan
21:12.26GnarfozKalroth: just some random german guy with obvious english grammar problems tacking shit onto an already crappily coded addon :O
21:12.31AckisWorkKalroth: it has slash commands and when I looked at the code it was "different" enough from the original :P
21:12.37KalrothAckisWork: haha
21:12.40Gnarfozthe main difference is
21:12.43Gnarfozit keeps track of fails.
21:12.46Gnarfozi.e. high scores! :D
21:12.50KalrothOh, that's pretty cool
21:12.51Gnarfoz(or low scores, actually)
21:12.53AckisWorkplus the original author didn't mind it being submitted
21:13.02Xinhuanmy officer told me it "keeps tracks of fail across sessions so you can see who fails the most"
21:13.14AckisWorkGnarfoz: my gf got mad at me because her name popped up a few times
21:13.15Gnarfozhe c&p'd THAT from the description :D
21:13.22Xinhuani giggled really hard
21:13.42Gnarfozdoes Antiarc's Flippy addon actually exist?
21:13.44AckisWork5005 seconds
21:13.45Xinhuanyes
21:13.46Gnarfozor was that just a mock-up :>
21:14.02Xinhuanlook for Flippy ;p
21:14.17Xinhuanbut it only has 1 or 2 events coded in it
21:14.21GnarfozFlippy + FailBotPlus (or SOMETHING ;D) using LibFail = win
21:14.23Gnarfoz;D
21:14.45Repo10arl: 03Ackis * r1256 RecipeDB (13 files in 1 directory):
21:14.46Xinhuani considered using flippy to do something like a reminder type addon
21:14.47RepoData regenerate.  5005 seconds to run.  Northrend recipes have accurate skill levels now.  Penis.
21:14.51Xinhuan"Remember to buy reagents!"
21:14.59Gnarfoz@project flippy
21:15.00RepoGnarfoz: http://www.wowace.com/projects/flippy/. Flippy. Game: WoW. Status: Abandoned. (Automatic) Abandoned since out-of-date for 60 days.. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 104 days ago
21:15.02Stanzillazomg Penis
21:15.09Xinhuanbut then decided i didn't want to write it
21:15.11Stanzillapats AckisWork
21:15.39AckisWork84 minutes to datamine stuff wow
21:16.25Fisker-i hate you AckisWork
21:16.27Fisker-please die
21:16.31gixis there any trick to get http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2048 besides dying early?
21:16.37AckisWorky?
21:16.41Fisker-Dying early gix
21:16.49Fisker-That is the only trick
21:16.53Fisker-Gonna do it the next time
21:17.03cladhaireAnyone here with an EU account willing to help me for two seconds on Vek'nilash?
21:17.04Fisker-just DI some priest and go get something to eat
21:17.23Fisker-maybe cladhaire
21:17.26gixi almost made it. but then some shit lava strike sneaked up on me
21:17.38cladhaireI just need some signatures for a guild charter, and considering there aren't any people on my server, its rather difficult :P
21:17.53Repo10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r33 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: -
21:17.54Fisker-I don't even know what the lava strike is
21:17.56Repotest on timer2
21:18.03GnarfozFisker-: the shit raining down from above
21:18.16Gnarfozone of our mages got the damn achievement withotu even trying or knowing about it
21:18.25Fisker-So where do we meet cladhaire ?
21:18.29EthanCentaurairips Fisker-'s head off and shits down his neck.
21:18.31gixGnarfoz: -_-
21:18.32cladhaireNorthshire Abbey of course!
21:18.37doom0r"In order to obtain this achievement, you must avoid Lava Strike, NOT the flame wall. Lava Strike is a targeted aoe, similar to Void Reaver's Arcane Orb. It is an individual achievement."
21:18.47gixhow can you get it without evening knowing. the shit comes down everywhere :(
21:18.51Gnarfozand... our keyboard turning, mouth-breathing, half-nazi feral drood, too.
21:18.58Shefkidie early in the fight.
21:19.13Gnarfozgix: luck. probably subconciously dodging them. he's quite amazing ;D
21:20.15cladhaireFisker-: thank you sir!
21:20.28Fisker-can i make a billion chars and sign your damn charter?
21:20.31cladhaireno
21:20.34cladhaireneeds to be different accounts
21:20.36Xinhuangix: the tank almost always gets it
21:20.42Xinhuanbecause lava strikes don't land on them
21:20.58Xinhuanalso you can get the achievement if you die early, and 24-man the boss
21:21.08doom0rspeaking of guild charters, an alt of mine is guilded and has had a guild charter for a particular name for over 2 years now, even with my account not being active at times
21:21.19Gnarfozno, it's not blocked
21:21.20Gnarfoz:)
21:21.21doom0ri was suprised tehy stay
21:21.35Repo10considerater: 03catamorfizm 07master * 1f4d14d / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] add libUTF8 to externals and embeds
21:21.44Gnarfozthey stay because you could get a "guild name not available" message when turning it in
21:22.05Gnarfozi.e. just having a charter doesn't block a guild of that name to be created
21:22.09doom0rreally?
21:22.22Gnarfozquite certain, yes
21:22.27gixXinhuan: yes i know. but both things are rather lame
21:23.15*** join/#wowace Paradox_ (n=Paradox@cpc1-brmb6-0-0-cust544.bagu.cable.ntl.com)
21:23.15winkillermeh bartender4 is worse than bt3
21:23.31nevcairielhm, and i always thought that achievement means not being hit by flame tsunami =P
21:23.31winkilleryou make a pet dismiss macro for razuvious.. and the whole bar vanishes
21:23.36Gnarfozhow can a working addon be worse than a non-working one? :D
21:23.51Gnarfoznevcairiel: that'd be... too easy :O
21:24.03nevcairielwinkiller: l2config
21:24.05gixnevcairiel: that would be too easy
21:24.09Gnarfozwinkiller: huh? my /run PetDismiss() macro doesn't do that
21:24.24winkillerwhen I control the add, I only have the 4,5,6 bar
21:24.32Gnarfozor PetAbandon(), I don't remember which one :>
21:24.34winkillerand I obv. can't notice before I see that the first tme :)
21:25.07Gnarfozwinkiller: had you checked the config, in advance, because you could have known in advance that the Possess Bar will come into play
21:25.23Gnarfozthen you'd have seen the toggle for bars to be hidden/not hidden during possession :)
21:25.26nevcairielor just done any quest with vehicles :D
21:25.38winkillerI never had to click my bars when doing vehicles
21:25.40AckisWorkI don't like the vehicle bar
21:25.58Gnarfozwhat vehicle bar? :O
21:26.08Repo10lib-st: 03ddumont * r67 Core.lua:  (Message trimmed by 3 lines)
21:26.10RepoEvent changes,
21:26.11Gnarfozthe only stuff that's in BT4's vehicle bar is "get the fuck out"
21:26.13Repoevents are now applied to columns...
21:26.15Repoif (row and realrow ) then
21:26.18RepoThis is a data row/cell
21:26.19Gnarfozand for some... change aim ;D
21:26.21AckisWorkGnarfoz: that's why :P
21:26.25Gnarfozwhich you can already do with the mouse
21:26.28nevcairielGnarfoz: actually, there are the two pitch buttons too, if the vehicle has pitch control =P
21:26.43nevcairielbah i type too slow
21:26.49Gnarfozhey, multi-line spamming is faster than making actual sentences, you're fine ;p
21:27.21AckisWorki
21:27.21AckisWorkhate
21:27.22AckisWorkyou
21:27.24AckisWorkGnarfoz
21:27.27AckisWorksee what I did there?
21:27.41Gnarfozno, can you elaborate?
21:27.41Repo10considerater: 03catamorfizm 07master * 99c8f9a embeds.xml: [+1 commit] must load utf8data before utf8
21:27.48Gnarfoz:D
21:27.52trhAckisWork: it's a masterpiece!
21:28.04AckisWorklol
21:28.12Fisker-die AckisWork
21:28.48EthanCentauraidie Fisker-
21:28.59Gnarfoz~die Fisker-
21:28.59purlACTION murders Fisker-, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless...
21:29.11doom0rdark jade focusing lens comment:
21:29.14doom0rThese items are useful.
21:29.14doom0rWhen you're hunting a specific mob, make a /target macro with the mob's name, then /use for this item or any of its kind.
21:29.14doom0rYou'll be literally pointed in the right direction.
21:29.19Gnarfozhm. that means purl dies, right? the grammar on that one sucks :P
21:29.26doom0r^ brilliant
21:29.26trh~lart Fisker
21:29.26purltakes a big bite out of Fisker's jugular vein
21:29.34Gnarfozdoom0r: you didn't think of that yourself?
21:29.45Gnarfozthat's the first use that came to mind for me, somehow :D
21:29.49doom0rnah, i seen them once, found out about them, haven't seen them again
21:29.50Fisker-~die AckisWork
21:29.51purlACTION murders AckisWork, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless...
21:29.58doom0rplus they were ridiculously priced before
21:30.56trhjugular... sounds like a clown-mobile
21:31.45AckisWork~lart Fisker-
21:31.45purlwhips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Fisker- is stuck to the floor
21:31.47AckisWork~kill Fisker-
21:31.48purlACTION shoots a charged anti-quark gun at Fisker-
21:31.49AckisWork~hate Fisker-
21:31.50purlHey ackiswork, ,,|,
21:31.55AckisWork~die Fisker-
21:31.55purlACTION murders Fisker-, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless...
21:32.11EthanCentaurai~ban Fisker-
21:32.20EthanCentaurai~boot Fisker-
21:32.21purlACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across Fisker- to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts Fisker- out to where he belongs!
21:32.59Fisker-~cry
21:33.00purlACTION cries and sobs until she nearly drowns in her own tears.
21:33.17EthanCentauraiQQ moar troll
21:33.22winkillernevcairiel: I didn't say "bt4 sucks", I love it. it's just worse in a sense that there might be some config I obviuosly never saw :) bt3 was reliably unreliable with possession, so I was prepared
21:34.00nevcairielalot has changed wit hthe possession system in 3.0
21:34.45winkillerI just don't see the sense in a default "hide all my bars" - because that one bar is on vertically on my far right. ofc bt4 can't know that it won't interfere.. but ehy hide it
21:35.20nevcairielSomeone brought up the idea to clean up the interface from bars you cannot use anyway when you enter a vehicle
21:35.22nevcairieland i liked it
21:35.46winkillertrue, but obviously you can use some macros :)
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21:39.09Fisker-i'm no troll EthanCentaurai
21:39.20Repo10lib-st: 03ddumont * r68 Core.lua: fixes for new event model
21:39.50cladhaireI need two more people to sign into EU-Veknilash to sign a charter, pretty please!
21:40.11doom0rmeh, i wish i had an EU acc, too many asses on US
21:40.29Fisker-if only you had stayed on Ravencrest cladhaire
21:40.34Fisker-what a shame >3
21:40.35Fisker-:3
21:40.43cladhairethen I could kill you :P
21:40.52PneumatusEU have their fair share of asses
21:41.01Fisker-nah cladhaire
21:41.03Fisker-i'm retri
21:41.11cladhairepsh
21:41.13Gnarfozalso, he seems to be 70
21:41.14Gnarfoz;D
21:41.19cladhairewell there is that :P
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21:41.32DeviadHello
21:41.43DeviadDoes anyone play on kazzak in here?
21:42.23AckisWorkI tried once but he 1-shot me
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21:42.50Fisker-you're so funny i want to kill you AckisWork
21:43.18Gnarfozcladhaire: so? :>
21:43.31cladhaireGnarfoz: its gone
21:43.34Gnarfozheh
21:44.42cladhaireone more, anyone?  anyone?
21:44.48Repo10atlasloot-enhanced: 03Daviesh * r1819 Modules/WorldEvents/worldevents.lua: Corrected 'Winter Boots'
21:45.28Gnarfozcladhaire: sending someone your way :>
21:45.37ckknighthey all
21:45.45Gnarfozckknight: IT'S YOU!
21:45.55Fisker-watches grass grow while waiting for cladhaire to transfer back
21:46.11cladhaireNot until its free :P
21:46.13cladhaireGnarfoz: thanks sir
21:46.17ckknightif you could check out http://www.wowace.com/paste/ and test a bit, I'd appreciate it
21:46.17Gnarfozno guarantees on arrival though
21:46.21cladhaireGnarfoz: turning in now then you guys can delete :P
21:46.32Gnarfozyou're done?
21:46.34Gnarfozkk :>
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21:47.38cladhaireDAMNIT
21:47.41cladhairesomeone deleted their character..
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21:47.58Gnarfoznot me :D
21:48.08nevcairiellol
21:48.20doom0rmin level to get summoned to dalaran: go!
21:48.27nevcairiel1
21:48.29Repo10libfail: 03sylvanaar * r2 / (3 files in 1 directory): import, drycoded
21:48.33doom0rawesome
21:48.56AckisWorklmao cladhaire
21:49.48cladhairewho as Asdafasdfasdf
21:50.52doom0roh, that's my main
21:50.54sylvanaara terrorist
21:50.59doom0ro.... your sever, right...
21:52.59RaydenUnirofl
21:53.10RaydenUnii just wrote a little poem to my friend how my druid is a higher level than him
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21:54.29doom0rwhat about mage port? any min level to dala?
21:54.36Gnarfozdoom0r: no
21:54.53Gnarfozdoom0r: the mage has to be 71 to learn the self port, though? and 74 for the portal?
21:56.08cladhaireGnarfoz: thanks, you guys can delete those chars now :P
21:56.09SkellumI wish blizzard would stop breaking things that help me point out bad players quickly
21:57.15EthanCentauraihttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53142
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21:58.16GnarfozEthanCentaurai: yep, like I said, 74 ^^
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22:02.05Repo10libfail: 03sylvanaar * r3 LibFail-1.0.lua:
22:02.07Repomake sure to init the data fields, and detect raids a little better
22:02.33Pneumatuslibfail :o
22:03.29RaydenUnilike what Skellum ?
22:03.42SkellumLike...hunters that clipped their shots
22:03.51SkellumOr anyone playing a moonkin pre wotlk
22:03.56SkellumAnd now frost DW spec
22:04.02RaydenUniwhat if they liked the challenge?
22:04.14RaydenUnii think i just ran with one of those
22:04.18SkellumThe challenge of being....bad?
22:04.32sylvanaaryay TGIF 5pm!!!
22:04.43RaydenUniof playing a super offspec
22:04.43Skellumhuzza :D
22:05.15SkellumThats the thing, if the spec provides nothing of value, and others can do it better, and you have the choice of being, Not Bad. Then why be bad?
22:05.17DashkalDon't buff me, bro?  I likes the challenge of playing gimped?
22:05.42RaydenUniyou like being ugly?
22:05.50Skellumtheres surgery for that
22:05.53RaydenUniit's not always about effectiveness
22:05.55RaydenUnithere's style
22:05.57SkellumBeauty is a moral imperative
22:06.09EthanCentauraiSkellum: off topic I know, but how are you doing on Alpha Centauri? :P
22:06.09RaydenUnii will continue to play my feral druid even if we become less effective because i like the style of playy
22:06.21Skellumapparently 64 bit vistas doesnt agree with it
22:06.38EthanCentauraiVista doesn't agree with anything :<
22:06.40SkellumFeral druids are good though
22:06.52SkellumApparently 32 bit vista can run alpha centauri
22:06.57Xinhuanckknight, add an option to toggle line numbers in that Paste thingy?
22:07.02RaydenUnithe latest i hear is tanking can be a challenge
22:07.15ckknightXinhuan: I suppose... is it really that big a deal?
22:07.16Skellumthey have currently the best avoidance and mitigation
22:07.18Xinhuancan't copy/paste from it without the line numbers
22:07.23ckknightyes you can!
22:07.25SkellumAnd their AoE tanking is TBH no worse then warriors
22:07.30Xinhuanhow?
22:07.31ckknightthey're completely separate <td>'s
22:07.42XinhuanOH
22:07.42ckknightalternatively, go to "View raw"
22:07.44Xinhuanview Raw
22:08.45Xinhuanyeah i see what u mean now
22:08.53Xinhuanby the seperate <TD>s
22:09.20Xinhuanis the "view all pastes" thing necessary? heh
22:11.22ckknightyes, Xinhuan
22:11.24ckknight:-P
22:11.51EthanCentauraiwill there be a "My Pastes" type link in our user areas?
22:11.53AckisWorkXinhuan: I'll give you 1 gold if you pastey an ascii penis
22:12.04ckknightEthanCentaurai: hrm...
22:12.23ckknightEthanCentaurai: I guess I could. For now, you can just search on your name
22:12.27ckknightdo it, Xinhuan
22:12.42Xinhuani dont' think i have an ascii penis
22:13.05EthanCentaurai===)
22:13.08EthanCentauraimeh fail
22:13.18Xinhuanthat's too small ;p
22:13.24AckisWorkB=========D~~~~~~ O:
22:13.46EthanCentauraifeels sick.
22:13.55AckisWorkEthanCentaurai == O:
22:13.59AckisWork:P
22:14.09EthanCentaurainoes! :(
22:14.11ckknightlol
22:14.16trhew.. this should be a wiener free channel
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22:14.26KnaledgeWho is in charge of maintaining the Curse Forums?
22:14.48AckisWorkKnaledge: gnomes
22:15.03trhAckisWork: that would explain alot ;)
22:15.10Knaledge...
22:15.16Knaledgei don't know who that is - is that someone in this room?
22:15.23Knaledgekaelten ping
22:15.30AckisWorkomg http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/13770007830-gingirbread-cookies-are-rediculous.html lol
22:15.33Kaeltenhi
22:15.35AckisWorkis that you Fisker-?
22:17.34ckknightKnaledge: Kody-
22:17.59Repo10combo-points-redux: 03Starinnia 041.0.1 * r17 : Tagging as 1.0.1
22:18.09Fisker-no AckisWork
22:18.10Fisker-it's you
22:18.13AckisWorkno u
22:18.53EthanCentauraiattempts to cast [Bright Idea]. Missing reagent: Cold Booze
22:19.08Fisker-no u AckisWork
22:19.25AckisWorkno u Fisker-
22:20.09Fisker-no u AckisWork
22:20.14AckisWorkno u Fisker-
22:20.17Fisker-no u AckisWork
22:20.19AckisWorkno u Fisker-
22:20.21Fisker-no u AckisWork
22:20.23AckisWorkno u Fisker-
22:20.26Fisker-no u AckisWork
22:20.28AckisWorkno u Fisker-
22:20.34ckknightgonna agree with AckisWork on this on
22:20.35ckknightone*
22:20.37ckknightsorry, Fisker-
22:20.39AckisWorklol
22:20.47trhomg.. AckisWork is stuck in an endless loop.. and Fisker- is an idiot
22:20.56ckknightlol
22:20.57Fisker-i'm not the one who sold milk stacks for GOLD
22:20.59Fisker-:3
22:21.02Fisker-err
22:21.05Fisker-i AM the one who did that
22:21.06Fisker-:(
22:21.09ckknightcase-in-point
22:21.45AckisWorktrh: I think it's "AckisWork and Fisker- are idiots"
22:21.56trhAckisWork: it was a quote from futurama ;)
22:21.57Repo10tourguide_lunarfestival: 03ethancentaurai 07master * 474d298 / (3 files in 1 directory): [new, +1 commit] And so it begins...
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22:22.21AckisWorkI know ;)
22:22.43EthanCentauraiI think it's "AckisWork and Fisker- are trolls" <-- fixt
22:22.58ckknight...no rebuttal
22:23.00Fisker-i'm not a troll
22:23.08Fisker-rages
22:23.17pastamancertrolls Fisker-
22:23.24Fisker-untrolls himself
22:23.31AckisWorkEthanCentaurai: I am a troll, troll priest tbh
22:23.50EthanCentauraigood boy!
22:23.54EthanCentauraipriest > all
22:24.24Fisker-Paladin > all
22:25.20doom0rwtf US auth servers
22:25.25Fisker-wtf
22:25.26doom0rsome route to them keeps dropping
22:26.10Fisker-because the internet is down
22:26.20EthanCentaurai~wowalert
22:26.21purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
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22:27.46ckknightAntiarc: ping
22:27.59Repo10aspectinspect: 03Auldare * r34 AspectInspect.lua: AspectInspect: -
22:28.01RepoAdded message to error frame
22:28.01Fisker-pretends to be Antiarc
22:28.12ckknightI need the real one who wrote Autodoc, though
22:28.18Repo10socialist: 03eblume * r68 / (3 files in 1 directory): * Step 1 of move to modularity.
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22:31.38Repo10aspectinspect: 03Auldare 04v0.5-beta * r35 :  (Message trimmed by 1 line)
22:31.40RepoAspectInspect: -
22:31.43RepoAdded more configuration options;
22:31.45RepoCheck if Pack/Cheetah is on during combat.
22:31.48RepoWatch mana and alert when to change to/from Viper.
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22:36.32Repo10socialist: 03eblume * r69 / (5 files in 2 directories): * Part 2 of move to modularity.
22:36.34Repo* Hopefully everything worked, will test when I'm back home.
22:36.37Repo* Next: LiBDataBroker launcher for the UI
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22:42.53Repo10libbabble-zone-3-0: 03LCF_HeLL * r170 LibBabble-Zone-3.0.lua: ruRU fix for "The Obsidian Sanctum"
22:51.04CIA-54panda: 03Tekkub 07master * r4b3fb33 10/ (ButtonFactory.lua Milling.lua Panda.lua PanelFactory.lua): Add Mass Milling button - http://is.gd/cAXY
22:53.54CrazyBenny<3
22:54.26Groktarhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18KzwK5gMtA <- nom nom nom
22:55.07ckknightIE sucks balls.
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23:00.49Repo10big-wigs: 03LCF_HeLL * r4851 Northrend/Sartharion.lua: BigWigs: ruRU update
23:03.29Fisker-not as much as firefox though
23:04.50DashkalCan I have some of whatever you're smoking, Fisker-??
23:06.37thulwhips pkleylol.
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23:08.57ckknightfalse, Fisker-
23:08.59Fisker-I don't smoke Dashkal
23:09.08ckknightfirefox's CSS handling is far superior
23:09.13ckknightalso: firebug
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23:11.26DashkalI'm taking a liking to chrome, but I miss my addons too much to fully switch over
23:12.08sztanpetexactly my thoughts
23:12.13Arrowmasteri miss mine too much to ever install chrome
23:12.30DashkalI use chrome when I don't need them.  wowhead while playing wow, that kind of thing
23:12.54Repo10proculas: 03Xocide 040.15.0 * r41 : Tagging as 0.15.0
23:13.03DashkalI _really_ like how I can reclaim the memory of a runaway tab by closing the tab and not the browser.  Firefox3 + wow in 1.5 gigs of ram == lots of swapping
23:13.44Gnarfozor: lack of ram
23:13.45Gnarfoz:D
23:13.54thulI have my ram in for "service" :-P
23:14.53thulI want a light weight browser, how hard can it be :/
23:15.34ckknightI want a browser that follows specs
23:15.38ckknightI want all browsers to follow specs
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23:15.42ckknightso that coding isn't so hard
23:15.47fewynbut that ain't happening
23:15.52ckknightfucking IE
23:15.52fewynmicrosoft doesn't follow the rules
23:15.54sztanpeti want a lightweight browser with an elegant addon interface
23:15.56ckknightit's the black sheep
23:16.08fewynsigh
23:16.09sztanpetand this native client thing looks quite smart
23:16.15Arrowmasterfirefox follows the specs the best as far as im concerned, webkit and opera cheated on acid3
23:16.18fewynthe wine repo is down for deb builds :(
23:16.33ckknightArrowmaster: webkit did, then they removed their hacks and did it properly.
23:16.35thulsafari :-(
23:16.41thulbut seriously, I want a light, light browser.
23:16.47ckknightArrowmaster: they both render smoothly now, no jerkiness
23:17.33thulI just don't get why I have os much fucking disk actiity
23:17.35thulactivity
23:17.47doom0rthul: links or lynx
23:18.46thulwell, I use links a bit, but I don't want a terminal browser.
23:18.56thulseeing that 90% of my browsing is photography/image-related.
23:20.31doom0rthul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers grab something to munch on
23:20.43Fisker-Microsoft follow the rules fewyn
23:21.04ckknightthul: links2? :-P
23:21.46thulhehe
23:22.05thuldoom0r: the amount of times i check that per week is staggering
23:22.18thulI have tried so many weird browsers :-P
23:22.30doom0rwhat os you on?
23:22.37thulosx
23:22.45thulrunning camino these days :-D
23:22.53thulbut right now I'm just trying to figure out what's using so much disk
23:22.55doom0rhave you tried softpedia or freshmeat?
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23:23.10doom0ralways plenty of stuff there
23:25.54thulfreshmeat, yeah.
23:26.23sztanpetiotop!
23:30.19doom0r^
23:31.12Repo10socialist: 03eblume * r70 / (4 files in 2 directories): * LibDataBroker-1.1 now in use.
23:31.14Repo* OK, enough changes while at work. I need to test this stuff now.
23:34.50thulI think camino is my best bet so far
23:36.14Kaeltenstatic.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.1.0.0.Alpha6.exe
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23:37.39sztanpetany changelog?
23:37.48Kaeltenno :(
23:37.53Kaeltengoing to try to have one for the next version
23:37.58sztanpet<3
23:38.10Kaeltenalthough changelogs do work better now in the client
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23:38.26sztanpetnah i meant what changed since alpha5
23:39.31Repo10libdogtag-3-0: 03ckknight * r211 .docmeta: add .docmeta
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23:40.12Repo10socialist: 03eblume * r71 Libs/LibWho-2.0/LibWho-2.0.lua:
23:40.14Repo* I know, I JUST said I was done, but this is the last, I swear.
23:41.38ramozKaelten: seems like the scanner alot slower than alpha5...
23:42.27Kaeltenramoz: oh?
23:43.12ramozchecking for new addons used to take like 20s for me, now it was almost a minute
23:43.27ramozmaybe its just the first time?
23:43.51Kaeltenmaybe
23:43.52Kaeltenhrm
23:44.01Kaeltenor something we changed had a larger than anticipated cost
23:44.04ramoznope
23:44.11Kaeltennope?
23:44.13Kaeltennoep to what?
23:44.18ramozclosed it, scanned again - took over a minute
23:44.22ramoznope to that -^
23:44.24Kaeltenah
23:44.25Kaeltenk
23:44.53Kaeltengot to run guys feel free to message me with issues/thoughts/poetry
23:44.54Kaeltenlater
23:50.26zariouswhats the best php forum software?
23:50.48zariouslooking at punbb atm, phpbb just seems kinda weak in parts, but i haven't used 3
23:51.05sztanpetphpbbv3 is quite good on the code part
23:51.24Arrowmastersmf
23:51.36zariousi guess i'm just spoiled when i look at wordpress and how it handles modifications and updates
23:51.36sztanpetbut yea, smf is better
23:52.22zariousi guess i really don't have a choice, my old forums are phpbb2
23:52.24ckknightheyall
23:52.27ckknighthey all*
23:52.41sztanpethi! what did you do this time
23:52.42Arrowmasterwhy do you not have a choice?
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23:52.50zariousnm theres a converter
23:52.58ckknightsztanpet: I implemented autodoc in our documenter
23:53.31ckknightautodoc is what we used on the old wowace
23:53.31sztanpet*thumbs up*
23:53.33ckknighthere's an example: http://www.wowace.com/projects/libdogtag-3-0/pages/api/parser-lua/
23:54.10ckknightthis is in addition to luadoc (which I now prefer)
23:55.10sztanpetany new directives to .docmeta?
23:55.12vhaarrArrowmaster: poke
23:55.20Arrowmasteryeah imho luadoc is better although the standard parser or whatever its called sucks for how we code
23:55.21ckknightsztanpet: just type: autodoc
23:55.26Arrowmastervhaarr: what
23:55.40vhaarrArrowmaster: can you explain your last commit to LibFuBarPlugin-2.0?
23:55.42ckknightArrowmaster: nevcairiel did some hacking on the parser yesterday
23:56.29Arrowmastervhaarr: some asshat made a FuBarPlugin-2.1 and has included it in his addon on wowi because 'he doesnt have access to commit to the svn'
23:56.41Arrowmastervhaarr: did it break something?
23:56.49vhaarrArrowmaster: yes of course it did
23:56.54vhaarrArrowmaster: you have to revret
23:56.55Arrowmasterok then
23:56.55vhaarrrevert*
23:57.14vhaarrI'll explain shortly
23:57.17vhaarrbrb
23:57.17Skellumwtf happened to the chicken McNugget?
23:57.35Repo10aspectinspect: 03StingerSoft * r36 Locales/Locale-ruRU.lua: AspectInspect: -
23:57.38ReporuRU update
23:57.42trhhttp://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x7lni3&colors=background:0088B8;glow:0589F7;foreground:C4B3B3;special:FFEBA1;&autoPlay=0&related=0 <- awesome ;)
23:58.01Skellumyea its a good one

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