| 00:00.09 | Antiarc | YAML is fantastic |
| 00:00.17 | Antiarc | Defined standard, existing parsers, and damned light |
| 00:00.25 | Antiarc | Extremely human-readable and editable |
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| 00:00.56 | Shefki | ckknight: ini files, there's only a bazillion different parsers for it. |
| 00:01.21 | ckknight | Shefki: I don't see how they'd be better than YAML, tbh |
| 00:01.43 | Daemoen | ckknight: ok, heres another one thats interesting configuring text for expbar, i set it to [FractionalXP] and press save.... it reverts to the old setting.... |
| 00:01.51 | Shefki | ckknight: YAML has a fairly cryptic syntax to suport stuff that .pkgmeta doesn't need. |
| 00:02.00 | Shefki | Yes it's human readable. |
| 00:02.10 | ckknight | how well does ini support arbitrary lists of strings? |
| 00:02.14 | Shefki | But having to escape ! becuase the parser uses it for a feature we're not using at all. |
| 00:02.19 | ckknight | in any event, we're not changing now |
| 00:02.32 | Shefki | I didn't expect you to change. |
| 00:02.35 | ckknight | also, hardly anything uses !, and the people that do are smart enough to know how to use quotes |
| 00:02.38 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:02.45 | ckknight | if you'd like, you can specify your .pkgmeta in JSON |
| 00:02.50 | Repo | 10magic-marker: 03dhedbor 04v1.0.0 * r141 : Tagging as v1.0.0. |
| 00:03.15 | Antiarc | Shefki: Just quote the strings? |
| 00:03.18 | Antiarc | foo: "bar!" |
| 00:03.31 | Daemoen | nvm, got it |
| 00:03.54 | ckknight | {'package-as': "bar!"} |
| 00:03.57 | Repo | 10fu-bar_magic-marker: 03dhedbor 04v1.0.0 * r41 : Tagging as v1.0.0. |
| 00:04.05 | ckknight | YAML is a superset of JSON |
| 00:04.11 | Repo | 10libbabble-boss-3-0: 03volpo2001 * r91 LibBabble-Boss-3.0.lua: LibBabble-Boss-3.0: Updated esES translation |
| 00:04.12 | ckknight | which I think is cool |
| 00:04.22 | Antiarc | I think it's awesome :D |
| 00:04.26 | Repo | 10magic-targets: 03dhedbor 04v1.0.0 * r62 : Tagging as v1.0.0. |
| 00:04.49 | Repo | 10button-bin: 03dhedbor 04v1.0.0 * r30 : Tagging as v1.0.0. |
| 00:05.17 | Repo | 10yurr-combat-log: 03copystring * r120 / (2 files in 1 directory): YurrCombatLog: |
| 00:05.18 | Repo | - fix RANGE_MISSED events |
| 00:05.21 | Repo | 10magic-marker_data: 03dhedbor 04v1.0.0 * r28 : Tagging as v1.0.0. |
| 00:06.07 | NeoTron | I think having to quote strings is a minimal issue. |
| 00:06.37 | Jygga | when does the fixed pkgmeta of carto hit the curse repo? the client is freaking out since i disabled auto update ^^ |
| 00:07.49 | ckknight | Jygga: the curseforge packager packages it up (see /packager/ for the current status) |
| 00:07.57 | ckknight | then within 5 minutes, curse picks up the new files |
| 00:08.07 | ckknight | NeoTron: only for strings that start with ! |
| 00:08.09 | Jygga | thanks |
| 00:08.35 | Primer | You know what I find odd about curseforge? No immediately visible link to this "client" |
| 00:09.28 | ckknight | http://www.curse.com/client/ |
| 00:09.32 | Shefki | ckknight: Actually from looking at the syntax for YAML you'll need to quote for every sigil character. |
| 00:09.41 | Primer | I decided I'd try the client on this download, only to 1) have the protocol handler not be handled, since I never installed the client, and 2) then not be able to find a link to said client |
| 00:09.56 | ckknight | Shefki: and those don't occur very often, and quoting isn't an issue |
| 00:10.44 | ckknight | Shefki: thing is, e.g. for externals, I plan to add extra options, and I plan to do this by having a complex type like a dictionary rather than string mangling |
| 00:10.58 | Primer | ckknight: I guess this obscurity of the client is by design then? |
| 00:11.03 | NeoTron | ugh seems like I have quite a few external issues |
| 00:11.35 | ckknight | Primer: obscurity how? |
| 00:11.53 | Shefki | ckknight: He just means Alphas not showing up to the CurseClient. |
| 00:11.57 | Shefki | Which is indeed by design. |
| 00:12.05 | ckknight | yea, that's by design |
| 00:12.08 | Shefki | Authors need to stop being lazy and do actual releases. |
| 00:12.11 | ckknight | betas will be accessible in the next client build |
| 00:12.16 | Primer | ckknight: here's an example: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/dominos/files/23-1-5-3/ |
| 00:12.17 | ckknight | you have to set an option, though |
| 00:12.32 | Primer | this is the exact page I landed on last night, and decided I'd install the client |
| 00:12.38 | Primer | yet, I see no link to the client |
| 00:12.43 | Shefki | That's a beta release. |
| 00:12.52 | NeoTron | would have figured the .pkgmeta files would have been created correctly based on the externals. :-/ |
| 00:14.00 | Primer | ok, was just curious. I haven't been following the development of the site. Last I recall, there was some big migration, and I figured it was live by now |
| 00:14.03 | Primer | my bad |
| 00:14.10 | Shefki | Primer: It is live. |
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| 00:14.19 | Shefki | The file you linked to is marked as a beta. |
| 00:14.19 | Primer | So where's my project?! |
| 00:14.29 | Shefki | Which project? |
| 00:14.33 | Primer | FlightHUD |
| 00:14.47 | Primer | It was there a while back |
| 00:14.50 | Primer | now it's gone |
| 00:15.00 | Shefki | http://www.wowace.com/projects/flight-hud/ |
| 00:15.07 | Primer | but...that's wowace |
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| 00:15.37 | Shefki | wowace is just a different style of curseforge |
| 00:16.15 | Shefki | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/flight-hud.aspx |
| 00:16.24 | Shefki | The release types on all the files are marked beta. |
| 00:16.29 | Shefki | Thus it doesn'ts how in the client. |
| 00:16.43 | Repo | 10magic-targets: 03dhedbor * r63 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fixed externals, hopefully. |
| 00:17.26 | Primer | Shefki: I guess the reason why I decided to try the client was because I no longer see updates in JWU |
| 00:17.38 | Repo | 10magic-targets: 03dhedbor 04v1.0.1 * r64 : Tagging as v1.0.1. |
| 00:17.42 | Primer | of addons based on files.wowace.com |
| 00:17.51 | Shefki | files.wowace.com isn't being updated anymore. |
| 00:17.55 | Primer | I figured |
| 00:18.28 | Primer | Shefki: What do you recommend I use to update addons nowadays then? |
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| 00:18.52 | Facktotum | the ui in that flighthud screenshot is very clean |
| 00:18.59 | Shefki | Primer: CurseClient |
| 00:19.07 | Primer | Facktotum: thank you! |
| 00:19.31 | Shefki | Pushing every commit to every user was pretty messed up. |
| 00:19.37 | Primer | Shefki: I guess I have to bite the bullet then |
| 00:19.42 | Primer | Shefki: heh |
| 00:19.45 | Primer | tell me about it |
| 00:19.51 | Primer | that's why I never did dev in trunk |
| 00:19.52 | Facktotum | Primer: i am being sarcastic sorry |
| 00:19.58 | Primer | Facktotum: :( |
| 00:20.36 | Shefki | Primer: Yeah well now you do dev in trunk and tag what you want everyone to get. |
| 00:20.51 | Shefki | Users that want to be on the bleeding edge will have to update out of the repo directly. |
| 00:21.01 | Primer | Shefki: I had an argument about that here when I originally got my dev account |
| 00:21.03 | Shefki | Users who want betas will be able to get that from the curse client soon. |
| 00:21.07 | Arrowmaster | its still best to keep your trunk stable |
| 00:21.30 | Primer | Shefki: it seemed very odd that updaters were updating directly from trunk, and there was no "release" system at all |
| 00:21.31 | Shefki | Well if you're going to do things that will massively break the code base sure make a branch. |
| 00:21.39 | Primer | Arrowmaster: why? |
| 00:21.56 | Arrowmaster | because its good policy |
| 00:22.12 | Shefki | Good policy is just never commit anything you haven't tested to work. |
| 00:22.31 | Arrowmaster | figure your testers will be using trunk so try not to leave it in a broken state |
| 00:22.37 | Primer | well, I found myself developing from separate locations, where I was constantly committing code on one side so I could co it on the other and continue |
| 00:22.55 | Primer | I had to start using a branch and only merging to trunk to "release" |
| 00:23.17 | Arrowmaster | in that situation i would likely suggest using another VCS than svn |
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| 00:23.54 | Primer | such as? (I know what's coming...) |
| 00:24.20 | Arrowmaster | well something that handles merges better since it sounds like you do them A LOT |
| 00:24.32 | Jygga | your own svn on your fileserver at home! :) |
| 00:24.42 | Repo | 10magic-marker: 03dhedbor * r142 : Fixed svn externals |
| 00:24.57 | Primer | heh, I never actually merged anything, I'd just overwrite |
| 00:25.20 | Arrowmaster | same thing but just really really lacks history |
| 00:25.21 | Primer | trunk comments were "released version x.y.z" |
| 00:25.27 | Gnarfoz | ~ugt |
| 00:25.27 | purl | hmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 00:25.31 | Primer | all the real comments were in the branch |
| 00:25.57 | Primer | Jygga: I did that at first |
| 00:26.01 | quiescens | morning |
| 00:26.07 | Primer | quiescens: evening! |
| 00:26.34 | Shefki | I just moved my repo to curseforge and svnsync it back to have a backup. |
| 00:26.40 | Jygga | UGT violation detected |
| 00:27.36 | Jygga | ahhh the more i try to fix my UI the more gets broken -.- |
| 00:27.48 | Antiarc | LocBot: Where is quiescens? |
| 00:27.49 | LocBot | Antiarc: quiescens is in Melbourne, Australia ( Map: http://is.gd/3GAF ) |
| 00:27.54 | Antiarc | See, there you go, that's why it's morning. :D |
| 00:27.56 | Repo | 10fu-bar_magic-marker: 03dhedbor * r42 / (2 files in 1 directory): Fixed svn:externals and .pkgmeta. |
| 00:28.04 | Shefki | LocBot: Where is Shefki? |
| 00:28.04 | LocBot | Shefki: Shefki is in Bellevue, WA, United States ( Map: http://is.gd/3E2J ) |
| 00:28.08 | Shefki | lies |
| 00:28.33 | Repo | 10fu-bar_magic-marker: 03dhedbor 041.0.1 * r43 : Tagging as 1.0.1. |
| 00:28.57 | Jygga | oh, no the curse client auto updated castographer again ... despite it beeing "toggled to whatever but autoupdate", is that bit actually working? |
| 00:29.23 | Jygga | does that setting show up somewhere? |
| 00:29.31 | Primer | So should I be backing up Interface/AddOns while using the curse client? :) |
| 00:29.39 | NeoTron | ckknight: so there's one feature that would be nice - ability to promote auto-created alpha files to beta/release |
| 00:29.50 | Shefki | Primer: I have been, but it hasn't messed anything up on me yet. |
| 00:29.56 | ckknight | I refuse to implement that, NeoTron |
| 00:30.01 | Primer | Shefki: cool |
| 00:30.06 | ckknight | mostly because it's already doable, mind you. |
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| 00:30.23 | ckknight | NeoTron: which file you trying to promote? |
| 00:31.10 | NeoTron | It's more of a general feature request than a specific file. Basically letting you just use -rXXX as the release version instead of manually tagging for release. |
| 00:31.30 | NeoTron | basically now if I check in a fix that is release quality I'll get rXXX and v1.0.2 or however I release it |
| 00:31.34 | ckknight | well, go to the file on the website |
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| 00:31.50 | NeoTron | ah |
| 00:31.52 | NeoTron | I found it |
| 00:31.52 | ckknight | and in actions, you edit base info |
| 00:31.58 | ckknight | and then you can change the type |
| 00:32.06 | Primer | The curse client is telling me that it's a limited preview, which ends on Oct 6th (yesterday) |
| 00:32.19 | ckknight | *thumbs up*, Primer |
| 00:32.24 | netcurse | we have extended it as we are not ready yet. |
| 00:32.49 | Primer | Call me dense, but...this is not free? |
| 00:32.59 | Primer | I mean, will not ultimately be free? |
| 00:33.04 | Facktotum | it will be free |
| 00:33.05 | netcurse | the one click update won't be free |
| 00:33.16 | netcurse | all other features are free |
| 00:33.30 | netcurse | you ll have to do 1 click per update basically, and see some ads. |
| 00:33.43 | Primer | So it's going to be update -> interstitial ad -> actual update? |
| 00:33.53 | Primer | o |
| 00:33.53 | Primer | k |
| 00:33.55 | netcurse | no interstitial, normal ad. |
| 00:33.56 | sacarasc | heh, i'm clever... i backup my addons directory, then use curse client (last time it hosed my addons), then overwrite the backup with what curse did :D |
| 00:34.10 | ckknight | quite clever. |
| 00:34.17 | Gnarfoz | indeed. ;< |
| 00:34.28 | Shefki | And this is why I really like TimeMachine becuase I can be really lazy. |
| 00:34.46 | netcurse | I advice everyone to read latest kaelten post |
| 00:34.52 | netcurse | about incoming features before 3.0 |
| 00:35.00 | Primer | I don't suppose developers get a free ride? :) |
| 00:35.00 | sylvanaar | its so hard to find a short 1 word guild name |
| 00:35.07 | sylvanaar | that isnt already taken |
| 00:35.10 | mjc | hmm |
| 00:35.15 | quiescens | "moo" |
| 00:35.22 | sylvanaar | or stupid |
| 00:35.34 | Gnarfoz | Primer: actually, they do, I think. ;) |
| 00:35.55 | netcurse | http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=240833&postcount=510 |
| 00:36.02 | netcurse | please read ;) |
| 00:36.07 | sylvanaar | i picked "Habit", my guess is it violates some rule |
| 00:36.37 | Gnarfoz | drug habit |
| 00:36.43 | sylvanaar | wow habit |
| 00:36.45 | Gnarfoz | game has a teen/12+ rating |
| 00:36.48 | Gnarfoz | yeah, wow habit, same deal |
| 00:36.50 | Gnarfoz | hehehehe |
| 00:36.54 | sylvanaar | right |
| 00:37.01 | Gnarfoz | it's true! |
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| 00:37.16 | Gnarfoz | GMs fucked up my paladin :( |
| 00:37.23 | Gnarfoz | I'm still not over that :D |
| 00:37.31 | sylvanaar | why |
| 00:37.36 | Primer | Gnarfoz: I guess I better maintain my addon then :) |
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| 00:39.02 | Gnarfoz | apparently, someone reported my paladin's name (which I paid-name-changed just 3 weeks earlier, to better match my now ex-main's character name (that being Lolah, my paladin was... Lolahdin) so people will recognize me in WotLK) |
| 00:39.53 | Gnarfoz | so I log onto another character to do some enchant for some guy from trade, and when I'm about to log back to my paladin, I notice he moved to the bottom of my character list and is now named "Vaalnn" xD |
| 00:39.58 | Gnarfoz | I'm like: wtf? |
| 00:40.14 | sacarasc | despite my stupidity, everything seems to be working... |
| 00:40.45 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: seriously... loladin and you don't think ppl would repeat that? |
| 00:40.57 | Gnarfoz | I log in and open a ticket with just that content "wtf?" (on a german realm, too ^^) and get messaged by a GM who tells me that he has now flagged my character for 'rename upon login' and that I should relog |
| 00:40.57 | NeoTron | it's like naming him Rotflcopterdin |
| 00:41.11 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 00:41.46 | Jygga | we got a loladin on our server since ages Oo |
| 00:41.47 | Repo | 10mounted: 03yssaril 07master * 0.0.12b-1-g5f06117 / (2 files in 1 directory): [+1 commit] took out a debug statement |
| 00:41.51 | Gnarfoz | I'm clear on why I got reported, that's not the point. (you should see some of the other names on my server... and we're RP-PVP! XD) |
| 00:42.11 | Gnarfoz | it's the fact that they actually acted on it, while tons of other names go untouched ;) |
| 00:42.16 | Gnarfoz | also: |
| 00:42.18 | Gnarfoz | they copied my char |
| 00:42.27 | Gnarfoz | it hasn't got the same UUID anymore oO |
| 00:43.03 | Gnarfoz | also, from the moment they renamed it, I lost my guild association + rank etc., my friendlist and ignorelist, and I vanished from all other people's friend lists, too |
| 00:43.21 | Primer | that might be a good thing |
| 00:43.29 | Gnarfoz | no? :< |
| 00:43.43 | Gnarfoz | the best part was, when after some hours, I put something on the AH, I noticed I was missing all of my running auctions o_O |
| 00:44.29 | Gnarfoz | ticketed and was told an account specialist would look into it and I'd hear from them in a while |
| 00:44.40 | Gnarfoz | 10 minutes later, Lolahdin was online o_O |
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| 00:44.57 | Gnarfoz | basically, I was online twice, with different names ;D |
| 00:45.13 | Jygga | "account specialist" = "unpaid guy that hasnt seen a shower since days digging through vital parts of other peoples Virtual Life" ? |
| 00:45.27 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 00:45.47 | Gnarfoz | "better paid guy than the poor fella who answered my ticket in the first place" |
| 00:46.07 | Jygga | "BOFH alike winner" ? |
| 00:46.16 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 00:46.28 | Jygga | let hope not ^^ |
| 00:46.36 | Gnarfoz | b *operator* from hell isn't even in customer contact, period |
| 00:46.53 | Gnarfoz | they're the ones with access and permissions to actually restore items etc. |
| 00:47.33 | Gnarfoz | the mails I got my items in had funny subjects and message bodies |
| 00:47.48 | Jygga | aha those guys that get all the work relayed from tickets like "i got this item shoved over by the LM but i dont deserve it" |
| 00:47.48 | Gnarfoz | 04:38:45|Postal: Processing Message 10: 32227:0:2:324367019 [126 Gold 49 Silver 5 Copper] <-- stuff like that oO |
| 00:48.02 | Primer | heh, I'd like to disappear from some people's friends lists |
| 00:48.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah, probably those guys |
| 00:48.30 | Gnarfoz | I'd like to be character #9million in my realm pool, not #29 million xD |
| 00:48.49 | Jygga | uhm wait ... how do you see your UUID? |
| 00:48.53 | Primer | So I had JWU managing my externals before, which put everything at the root of AddOns |
| 00:48.54 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.04 | Primer | now I have addons named LibThisAndThan |
| 00:49.07 | Primer | That, even |
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| 00:49.25 | Primer | should I just nuke everyting and have the curse client install my addons individually? |
| 00:49.29 | Gnarfoz | ideally, I'd at least want my pre paid-name-change name back, but they refuse because it's blocked because of my paid name change for 90 days. to prevent confusion. how anyone could confuse me with myself is beyond me, though. |
| 00:49.35 | Primer | the _real_ addons, not their deps? |
| 00:49.55 | Jygga | Primer thats the road to where i dispair, go for it, its fun! :D |
| 00:49.58 | Gnarfoz | Primer: that should give you a working setup, yeah |
| 00:50.16 | Primer | well, I'd like to only see the addons in the list, not all the libraries |
| 00:50.17 | Gnarfoz | basically what WAU would have done if you had told it to not disembed |
| 00:50.42 | Primer | but does the curse client still maintain externals in the same manner? |
| 00:50.47 | Gnarfoz | Polearms: 339/350 :( |
| 00:51.02 | Primer | guess I'll find out |
| 00:51.05 | Gnarfoz | Primer: not yet. it's planned though. |
| 00:51.10 | Primer | rm -rf AddOns |
| 00:51.11 | Primer | heh |
| 00:51.22 | Gnarfoz | mv addons halp-cc-sucks |
| 00:51.24 | Gnarfoz | ;> |
| 00:51.34 | Primer | I already backed it up |
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| 00:53.24 | RaydenUni | so for the beta |
| 00:53.32 | RaydenUni | what lvl char do you start with? |
| 00:53.34 | Jygga | uhm, curse states that shaman nova totem does stun in todays news Oo |
| 00:54.13 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: so the point was more that in "changing your name" they actually copied the character outright |
| 00:54.20 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 00:54.29 | Gnarfoz | which is... weird? |
| 00:54.32 | RaydenUni | cause if it's 70, does that mean people have already hit 80 and are geared enough to do naxx? |
| 00:54.41 | RaydenUni | or do you start at 80 with some decent gear if you want? |
| 00:54.47 | Gnarfoz | I'd normally expect them to just flag it for 'choose another name, dumass' |
| 00:54.54 | Gnarfoz | which they did after the fact, too |
| 00:55.13 | NeoTron | Primer: I'd really suggest you wait to do this until 3.0 |
| 00:55.21 | NeoTron | Primer: since a lot of addons likely will stop working and stay dead |
| 00:55.33 | NeoTron | right it's very weird |
| 00:55.42 | NeoTron | must have been someone doing it wrong |
| 00:55.57 | Primer | NeoTron: well, right now I'm having an issue with pitbull |
| 00:56.22 | Primer | so I need to fix that. Guess I'll just pull the tarball |
| 00:56.30 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: yup, that's what a friend of mine more or less figure instantly, too |
| 00:56.42 | Gnarfoz | "that sounds awfully like someone hit the wrong button ;D" |
| 00:57.33 | Gnarfoz | anyway, it's not often wow characters have a history of names, this one now has 4 of them xD |
| 00:57.49 | Gnarfoz | Hooloovoo -> Lolahdin -> Vaalnn (if only for 30 minutes) -> Hooloofoo |
| 00:57.57 | NeoTron | ok where the heck did FuBar_MagicMarker go? http://www.wowace.com/projects/fu-bar_magic-marker/ => We're sorry, you've attempted to access a page that decided to jump off [...] |
| 00:58.06 | Gnarfoz | also, the guy maintaining our eqdkp wants to kill me ;D |
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| 00:58.53 | NeoTron | ok now it reappeared |
| 00:59.01 | ckknight | fixed NeoTron |
| 00:59.04 | ckknight | my bad |
| 00:59.45 | NeoTron | thanks |
| 01:00.07 | RaydenUni | ugh |
| 01:00.13 | RaydenUni | a boss fight that is designed around consumables |
| 01:00.22 | Gnarfoz | Healbot? |
| 01:00.25 | Gnarfoz | err Loatheb? ^^ |
| 01:00.44 | RaydenUni | yeah |
| 01:00.57 | NeoTron | haven't tried that fight even in 10-man |
| 01:01.00 | NeoTron | never got there in 40 man |
| 01:01.04 | NeoTron | new to me :P |
| 01:01.29 | RaydenUni | just read it on wowwiki |
| 01:01.31 | RaydenUni | not in the beta |
| 01:02.00 | RaydenUni | why are all the new naxx bosses listed as droping tier 3? |
| 01:02.49 | fewyn | debate time |
| 01:02.50 | RaydenUni | are they the same bosses from the old naxx? |
| 01:02.52 | RaydenUni | never been in there |
| 01:03.12 | NeoTron | because they have old 40 man data? |
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| 01:03.31 | NeoTron | yep they are the same |
| 01:03.58 | RaydenUni | oh |
| 01:04.06 | RaydenUni | i guess those pages havent been updated yet |
| 01:04.11 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowwiki.com/Loatheb |
| 01:04.17 | RaydenUni | http://www.wowwiki.com/Four_Horsemen |
| 01:04.18 | RaydenUni | updated |
| 01:04.25 | digmouse | uh what is it now in PDT? |
| 01:04.30 | RaydenUni | so it's all the same bosses in naxx |
| 01:04.32 | RaydenUni | just updated |
| 01:04.33 | digmouse | s/what/when/ |
| 01:04.42 | RaydenUni | interesting way to do the new "kara" |
| 01:04.47 | RaydenUni | reuse an old dungeon |
| 01:05.23 | Jygga | "A lot of people really missed the stun on Fire Nova. We changed it back largely because of feedback. I think it will probably stay as described above. " QQ wins! <3 |
| 01:05.27 | ulic | digmouse: you mean what time? It's just about 6pm |
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| 01:05.50 | digmouse | so the beta realm was just brought down for new build ulic? |
| 01:06.09 | *** mode/#wowace [+v kolie] by ChanServ |
| 01:06.20 | ulic | digmouse: haven't seen any posts about it being down, so I have no idea, but if they say 6, then yes. |
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| 01:06.35 | digmouse | We will be taking down the Beta realms at 5:00PM Pacific time today October 7th 2008 to update to the latest build. |
| 01:06.37 | digmouse | We expect this process to take from five to seven hours. |
| 01:06.41 | digmouse | blue post |
| 01:06.50 | ulic | that means then went down about 1 hour ago. |
| 01:06.54 | digmouse | k |
| 01:07.00 | RaydenUni | "Players will need a lot of frost resistance to fight the final bosses in Naxxramas. Kel'Thuzad is a lich, but does not require a lot of frost resistance to defeat him." |
| 01:07.01 | RaydenUni | wtf |
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| 01:07.04 | RaydenUni | contradictory |
| 01:07.28 | digmouse | just as old naxx |
| 01:08.01 | RaydenUni | ? |
| 01:08.04 | digmouse | Sapphiron? |
| 01:08.22 | Facktotum | you dont need frost resistance |
| 01:08.23 | RaydenUni | they are talking about other final bosses besides kel'thuzad? |
| 01:08.36 | digmouse | Sapphiron |
| 01:08.44 | digmouse | he needs frost res i thought |
| 01:09.05 | Facktotum | i cleared naxx a lot of times in 10man |
| 01:09.12 | Facktotum | we never used frost resistance |
| 01:09.13 | RaydenUni | woah |
| 01:09.18 | RaydenUni | logged on, 15 guildmembers on with 10 in kara |
| 01:09.23 | RaydenUni | wtf kara doesn't start for a few minutes! |
| 01:09.26 | RaydenUni | wrong character :D |
| 01:09.32 | NeoTron | it's 6:09 PM PST |
| 01:11.28 | digmouse | 9:10 GMT+8 here and the beta realms will be back at 14 or 16 pm in theory |
| 01:11.36 | Jygga | now that so many people got time because the beta servers are going down ... do you know how to stop cartographer (or any other addon which causes it) to center the map to your position after a few seconds? |
| 01:12.05 | digmouse | jygga: cartographer2 (rock) or CA3? |
| 01:12.10 | Jygga | 2 |
| 01:12.36 | digmouse | uh didnt experience that but used to get the same in 3 |
| 01:12.53 | digmouse | no options for that? |
| 01:13.24 | ulic | I think it even happened to me on the default map in beta. I don't think it's the map addon's fault necessarily. It might happen when other addons check your location or something like that. |
| 01:13.35 | Jygga | none that i found |
| 01:13.37 | kilrogg | hmm, why is curse client not open source ? |
| 01:14.09 | digmouse | u have to pay for the premium features so why open source? |
| 01:14.21 | Jygga | because ... they are trying to fund themselves with it? |
| 01:14.43 | digmouse | obviously |
| 01:14.54 | kilrogg | ... and collecting my hardware information ... thanks very much ... who's honestly going to use it ? |
| 01:15.36 | RaydenUni | companies |
| 01:15.36 | kilrogg | I mean ... if it would actually work ... perhaps ... and if it worked well I'd really pay for the service ... but like this ? |
| 01:15.38 | digmouse | curse? |
| 01:15.39 | RaydenUni | it's useful data |
| 01:15.48 | kilrogg | no .. use curse updater .. not my data |
| 01:16.41 | Facktotum | if you don't like it un-install |
| 01:16.49 | Facktotum | update your addons manually from wowace |
| 01:17.01 | digmouse | your choice |
| 01:17.05 | Daemoen | which folder is it that you have to copy in order to replicate preferences from one char to another? |
| 01:17.12 | Jygga | hm actually that map relocation doesnt happen when viewing capitals |
| 01:17.16 | kilrogg | great. where did you copy that answer ? |
| 01:17.19 | Facktotum | Wtf folder |
| 01:17.46 | Facktotum | kilrogg: i learned that in life being a smart ass does not help |
| 01:18.16 | Jygga | it helps getting cold glares from people :) |
| 01:18.28 | kilrogg | I know, I know ... seen it a hundred times here ;) |
| 01:19.00 | kilrogg | just frustrates me ... updating 70 addons by hand is nothing i fancy about |
| 01:19.00 | Facktotum | there are other options beside curse updater |
| 01:19.06 | Facktotum | just have a look around |
| 01:19.31 | kilrogg | well ... that java thingy looked quite good ... |
| 01:19.40 | kilrogg | jwu or what was it ... |
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| 01:57.53 | Repo | 10mage-announce: 03Jomar * r57 / (2 files in 1 directory): MageAnnounce: |
| 01:57.54 | Repo | - Added option to send messages more then once |
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| 02:02.08 | Repo | 10mage-announce: 03Jomar 041.1 Beta * r58 : Tagging as 1.1 Beta. |
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| 02:09.54 | chiper | where are combat points at in the pitbull config? |
| 02:10.17 | chiper | *combot points |
| 02:10.20 | chiper | grr |
| 02:11.50 | smcn | lol |
| 02:12.00 | chiper | nm, I found them. |
| 02:12.12 | chiper | is there a way to make the points stack vertical instead of horizontal? |
| 02:15.09 | chiper | of course, the instant I give up and go looking for help, I figure it out myself |
| 02:18.29 | Primer | I've re-installed all my addons using curse, which keeps all the externals within the addon itself. What are the implications of this? A larger memory footprint? Anything else? |
| 02:18.41 | Primer | curse client, that is |
| 02:19.08 | chiper | I think it's just a slightly longer load time while it checks versions |
| 02:19.10 | ulic | memory footprint wouldn't be any issue, it would just extend your load time. |
| 02:19.17 | Primer | ok |
| 02:19.22 | Primer | just curious |
| 02:19.30 | Primer | as if my load time wasn't already high enough... |
| 02:20.12 | Primer | Almost forgot to backup my WTF directory |
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| 02:20.43 | Facktotum | chiper: i use a combo bar for combo points |
| 02:23.30 | chiper | seperate from pitbull, I gather? which addon |
| 02:23.33 | Primer | now I get to find out all the broken deps! |
| 02:23.35 | Primer | WEE!! |
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| 02:24.09 | Primer | Cartographer_Fishing-1.0\addon.lua:3:Cannot find a library instance of Tourist-2.0 |
| 02:24.41 | Primer | doh, forgot to install bongos |
| 02:25.12 | Facktotum | chiper: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8913-naiCombo-combopointbar.html |
| 02:25.19 | Primer | Guess it's time to bite the bullet and install Dominos |
| 02:27.07 | Facktotum | i modified the code so it colours from yellow to red and fixed for 3.0 |
| 02:28.59 | kadrahil | The login server is currently busy. |
| 02:29.00 | kadrahil | cries |
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| 02:36.54 | kadrahil | kills the conversation |
| 02:36.55 | chiper | Facktotum: before I download this, it can be vertical right? |
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| 02:40.31 | Facktotum | if you edit code yes |
| 02:40.46 | Facktotum | why would you want vertical combo points? |
| 02:41.04 | chiper | because my target frame is vertical |
| 02:44.38 | NeoTron | so am I wrong or does shadow of death mean that a sufficiently unholy DK can totally avoid repair bills? |
| 02:44.49 | NeoTron | after "dying" just explode yourself |
| 02:44.54 | chiper | Facktotum: I'd be fitting it into this http://imagebin.org/28223 |
| 02:44.55 | Primer | Sigh, itemrack reset my profile |
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| 02:51.14 | Facktotum | chiper: you can place the combo bar between the two bars in the middle |
| 02:51.26 | Facktotum | as i said you can edit the code to make it vertical |
| 02:54.19 | RaydenUni | mind flay now crits |
| 02:54.21 | RaydenUni | that's nifty |
| 02:54.25 | RaydenUni | do all dots? |
| 02:54.32 | RaydenUni | or are channeled not the same as dots now? |
| 02:54.43 | NeoTron | channeled was never the same as a dot |
| 02:54.48 | NeoTron | so no dots don't crit |
| 02:55.37 | RaydenUni | do other channeled spells crit as well? |
| 02:56.56 | RaydenUni | nifty how the 51 point talent for shadow is almost purely pvp based |
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| 03:03.21 | smcn | blizzard, rain of fire, and hurricane crit |
| 03:08.02 | digmouse | and volley |
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| 03:17.26 | Huggles | oh, i forgot |
| 03:17.28 | Huggles | registered |
| 03:17.30 | Huggles | sigh |
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| 03:22.54 | digmouse | seems 9056 is a minor build |
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| 03:32.04 | Primer | Seems that several addons don't include their libs in the zip |
| 03:32.23 | Primer | They just "happen" to work because other addons do |
| 03:33.59 | Primer | I just deleted talented, and had the curse client "update addon". It downloaded it again, and extracted it, and sure enough, there is no Libs subdirectory |
| 03:34.19 | Primer | since in FrameXML.log it showed that it failed to load all of the deps in embeds.xml |
| 03:34.34 | Primer | I'm guessing that's a mistake |
| 03:34.53 | Primer | The fact that the zip file doesn't contain the libs, presumably |
| 03:36.10 | Primer | hrmm |
| 03:36.32 | Primer | browsing for Talented on curse shows me a download named Talented v1.3-nolib |
| 03:36.35 | Arrowmaster | im blaming the fucked up .pkgmeta |
| 03:36.48 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 03:36.49 | Arrowmaster | that too |
| 03:37.15 | Arrowmaster | but something is still wrong with the .pkgmeta |
| 03:37.41 | Primer | There is also a Talented WITH the libs |
| 03:38.06 | Primer | There is no way to pick this one with the curse client |
| 03:38.11 | Primer | it seems to just pick the nolib one |
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| 03:42.02 | Arrowmaster | Primer: yeah that would be curse fucking up and selecting the wrong one as the default |
| 03:43.03 | Primer | Seems so |
| 03:43.13 | Arrowmaster | its done it on a few other projects too |
| 03:43.22 | Primer | I believe this was an issue covered in Kaelten's forum post |
| 03:43.35 | Primer | that someone pasted earlier |
| 03:45.58 | digmouse | since no-ext for CC is still underway.. we can only get no-ext versions of mods from svn? |
| 03:47.07 | Primer | This seems to be the case with many addons. They just don't include their libs |
| 03:47.08 | theoddone33 | sweet WoW won't start up |
| 03:47.19 | theoddone33 | guess that means my wtf is screwed |
| 03:50.32 | NeoTron | volley is pretty hot now |
| 03:50.36 | NeoTron | actually does decent dp |
| 03:50.39 | NeoTron | dps |
| 03:50.40 | Primer | bah, this addon is a rar file |
| 03:50.58 | vithos | and no cooldown on volley either now |
| 03:51.31 | digmouse | hunters are king of AOE! |
| 03:52.01 | digmouse | who need mages in Hyjal! |
| 03:53.51 | Primer | Loading table of contents Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_InspectUI\Blizzard_InspectUI.toc Couldn't open Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_InspectUI\PVPFrameTemplates.xml |
| 03:53.56 | Primer | how does THAT happen? |
| 03:54.06 | NeoTron | the aoe thing kind of puts shammies and rogues to shame overall |
| 03:54.10 | NeoTron | at least on trash clears |
| 03:54.13 | NeoTron | where you can aoe |
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| 03:56.30 | digmouse | volley aoe is kinda better than blizzard now |
| 03:56.43 | digmouse | only around 600 mana and hits hard |
| 03:59.28 | theoddone33 | volley? |
| 03:59.39 | theoddone33 | is that a talent? |
| 03:59.42 | Primer | What about SoC? |
| 04:01.09 | vithos | theoddone33: it's not a talent, it's just an old base skill that's always been horrible |
| 04:01.26 | theoddone33 | what class? |
| 04:01.33 | theoddone33 | hunter? |
| 04:01.57 | theoddone33 | thought it was something new in the mage arcane tree or something |
| 04:02.17 | digmouse | hunter volley |
| 04:02.28 | digmouse | like blizzard but deals arcane damage |
| 04:02.41 | digmouse | the old one only hits 110 or so and has 1min cooldown |
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| 04:06.11 | met0s | hey |
| 04:06.22 | met0s | does anyone know what software is running in this video http://mmobuddy.com/streammovie.swf |
| 04:06.26 | met0s | i checked the site and cant find it |
| 04:08.26 | Repo | 10all-played-laotseu: 03LaoTseu * r134 / (4 files in 1 directory): AllPlayed: |
| 04:08.26 | Repo | - New icons for Alliance and Horde honour points |
| 04:08.27 | Repo | - Add localization for the PvP strings |
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| 04:13.33 | vithos | * okszoneer (n=will@ip68-99-4-27.om.om.cox.net) has joined #WoWUIDev |
| 04:13.34 | vithos | <okszoneer> hey |
| 04:13.34 | vithos | <vithos> and how often you have to do it. but i'm only going off videos i've seen, i haven't actually played any arena on beta |
| 04:13.34 | vithos | <Dashkal> strange that there's no patch yet... |
| 04:13.34 | vithos | * Gryphen has quit ("RyanSnook.net") |
| 04:13.35 | vithos | <okszoneer> does anyone know what software is in this video |
| 04:13.37 | vithos | <okszoneer> http://mmobuddy.com/streammovie.swf |
| 04:13.39 | vithos | <okszoneer> i cant find it on the site |
| 04:13.46 | vithos | oops, pasted more than i intended |
| 04:13.53 | Dashkal | ? |
| 04:13.54 | vithos | but someone should get rid of that spam bot (met0s)? |
| 04:13.59 | met0s | ... |
| 04:14.01 | met0s | i'm not a spam bot |
| 04:14.04 | met0s | its a honest quesiton |
| 04:14.28 | met0s | you fail at life, /j #yourmom |
| 04:14.40 | vithos | so you're not a bot, you're just spamming manually? |
| 04:14.48 | met0s | what spamming, its a question |
| 04:15.09 | Dashkal | o.o Asking the sameq uestion in two different channels is spamming? |
| 04:15.10 | met0s | its a SWF movie with some software that I cant find, im asking if anyone knows what it is |
| 04:15.51 | WobWork | and why two different nicknames? |
| 04:15.57 | vithos | the question is obviously a farce. the flash video shows a piece of software obviously labeled MMOBuddy, and you linked to it from their own (your?) website |
| 04:16.22 | met0s | i checked the site |
| 04:16.26 | met0s | its not on there |
| 04:16.29 | met0s | jesus |
| 04:16.50 | vithos | why two different nicks then? |
| 04:17.03 | met0s | I joined the channels listed on http://www.wowwiki.com/IRC |
| 04:17.07 | met0s | each channel is a new connection |
| 04:17.13 | met0s | mirc auto renames me if my name is on here |
| 04:17.21 | met0s | and it was because i joined two channels on one server |
| 04:17.23 | kd3 | you can join more than one channel using the same connection |
| 04:17.25 | met0s | why are you such a little girl? |
| 04:17.39 | vithos | alright, i could be wrong, maybe you just don't know how to use irc :P |
| 04:18.12 | met0s | so no one knows what it is? |
| 04:18.32 | Dashkal | met0s: no idea on the software. mirc will let you /join other channels within one connection 9so your nick stays the same) |
| 04:19.25 | met0s | is there any other software like that one? |
| 04:19.34 | vithos | i think it's safe to say it's "MMO Buddy" |
| 04:19.42 | vithos | but a lot of people use AutoHotKey for that |
| 04:19.48 | vithos | i don't know what specific script though |
| 04:22.36 | met0s | so i can do that in autohotkey |
| 04:23.28 | met0s | what about the windows the way they were |
| 04:24.51 | vithos | windowed mode in the wow video options |
| 04:25.12 | vithos | http://www.wowwiki.com/Multiboxing_Software_Requirements |
| 04:26.05 | sylvanaar | argh! im awake again - and i dont want to be... |
| 04:31.30 | quiescens | go to sleep |
| 04:32.00 | digmouse | i'm awake, i'm awake |
| 04:32.13 | quiescens | shh |
| 04:32.24 | quiescens | you're asleep |
| 04:32.46 | digmouse | Anatheron yells: You are tired... |
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| 04:35.14 | orionshock | beta realms down? |
| 04:36.09 | Dashkal | orionshock: yes http://blue.mmo-champion.com/24/10972017388-maintenance-100708.html |
| 04:36.22 | Dashkal | no patch yet |
| 04:41.12 | chiper | is there a way to make pitbull fade a frame based on if I'm in combat? |
| 04:43.13 | orionshock | anyone know if GetGuildRosterInfo respects the check box in the social frame for online/offline? |
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| 04:44.31 | vithos | chiper: if memory serves me there's a module called CombatFader or something? |
| 04:44.58 | vithos | fades a unit if that unit is out of combat |
| 04:45.00 | chiper | hmm, I seem to recall that having some issues. I know I disabled it for a reason |
| 04:50.18 | vithos | i remember it would cause the frames to flicker if you had the range fading module on at the same time |
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| 04:54.23 | digmouse | ah shit, cant see Feign Death resist message |
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| 05:13.27 | orionshock | anyone know an easy way to find out if you can use /o chat? |
| 05:19.48 | Zhinjio | weird. every other guild assignable permission has a "Can" function |
| 05:19.52 | Zhinjio | don't see that one though |
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| 05:47.49 | Repo | 10all-played-laotseu: 03LaoTseu * r135 AllPlayed.toc: AllPlayed: |
| 05:47.50 | Repo | - Set version to 30000-1 and TOC Interface to 30000 |
| 05:47.57 | Primer | Sigh, I wish there was a bongos3 -> dominos converter |
| 05:48.08 | orionshock | Zhinjio: i know, and trying to scan the guild flags is like voodoo |
| 05:51.10 | CIA-59 | panda: 03Tekkub 07wrath * r8bd6160 10/ Glyphs.lua : Minor glyphs, whee! - http://is.gd/3HfK |
| 05:52.22 | vithos | hmm.. anybody use grid for party frames/have a quick one-off addon to hide the blizzard ones? |
| 05:53.02 | vithos | unless i've overlooked a grid option, but i don't think i have |
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| 05:59.56 | Repo | 10all-played-laotseu: 03LaoTseu 0430000-1-beta-1 * r136 : (Message trimmed by 3 lines) |
| 05:59.57 | Repo | AllPlayed: |
| 05:59.58 | Repo | - Generating a beta release for v3.0.2 |
| 05:59.59 | Repo | - Changes: |
| 06:00.03 | Repo | - Added support for PvP honour kills, honour points, arena points, badges of justices and the BG marks. All of these are optional and off by default |
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| 06:13.21 | orionshock | what does it mean when the blizz download says "Download not Authorized"? |
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| 06:14.52 | Zyndrome | you need a multipass |
| 06:15.14 | Groktar | huggles Zyndrome |
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| 06:18.55 | digmouse | wtf got an "unauthorized" downlading 9061 |
| 06:19.02 | digmouse | the PTR is 9056 |
| 06:19.10 | digmouse | wtf a typo? |
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| 06:22.06 | Groktar | beta is 9061 |
| 06:22.27 | digmouse | so, the blizz guys get a slim on their hands |
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| 06:34.25 | Primer | I wish I knew how to get rid of this: Interface\FrameXML\PVPFrame.lua:253: attempt to index field 'CharacterFrame' (a nil value): |
| 06:34.49 | Primer | every time I pull up an arena team, it happens. The trace leads directly to C code |
| 06:35.19 | Primer | then into here: Interface\FrameXML\PVPFrame.lua:479: in function `PVPTeam_OnClick': |
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| 06:44.35 | digmouse | patch seems to be up |
| 06:46.36 | sb|work | giev notes :p |
| 06:46.55 | sb|work | morning btw |
| 06:47.29 | digmouse | but how do i know what notes are new? |
| 06:48.47 | sb|work | nevermind, those notes are very old :) |
| 06:48.57 | sb|work | it still says "level cap 77" |
| 06:49.50 | digmouse | wait for mmo-champ then |
| 06:49.58 | digmouse | and servers up? |
| 06:50.11 | sb|work | no idea, i'm at work |
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| 06:53.20 | Adys | how do I disable a button by default in XML? thought it was disabled="true" but thats not it |
| 06:54.51 | digmouse | PTR is up and beta not |
| 06:55.01 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r182 XPerl.lua: |
| 06:55.02 | Repo | XPerl: Revert OmniCC change for now until I do something properly. |
| 06:58.13 | Groktar | possible they're trying to get a patch good enough to go live |
| 06:58.35 | Groktar | so beta could end up way ahead of ptr |
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| 06:58.40 | Groktar | didn't that happen in tbc? |
| 06:59.13 | Groktar | 2.0 was like 3 weeks behind what they had on beta |
| 07:00.42 | Repo | 10talented: 03jerry * r295 / (2 files in 2 directories): Talented: remove externals and fix .pkgmeta |
| 07:01.30 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r183 XPerl.lua: |
| 07:01.32 | Repo | XPerl: Fix problem with XPerl_ExpectedUnitHealth when LibStub and/or LibHealComm not present. |
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| 07:11.21 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r184 XPerl_RaidPets/XPerl_RaidPets.lua: |
| 07:11.22 | Repo | Don't show raid pets when raid told to hide for single group raids. Drycode. |
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| 07:17.37 | digmouse | think beta will continue after 3.0 ships |
| 07:17.59 | Xinhuan | anyone had trouble with OptionalDeps in wrath? |
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| 07:30.54 | digmouse | woot the beta realms are still down |
| 07:31.36 | [SW]Dodge | whoot new ~500mb prepatch? |
| 07:32.17 | digmouse | 2nd stage |
| 07:32.27 | digmouse | live approaching 3.0 |
| 07:32.49 | [SW]Dodge | yea |
| 07:33.14 | Zyndrome | oh snap |
| 07:33.14 | digmouse | is DBM and BW ready for 3.0? |
| 07:33.35 | [SW]Dodge | lol, the download ETA changes every 1 second between 2hrs and 6hrs o.o |
| 07:33.36 | Zyndrome | 1.5Gb total data |
| 07:34.04 | sb|work | mh |
| 07:34.13 | sb|work | [SW]Dodge: get more dsl! :p |
| 07:34.30 | [SW]Dodge | sb|work: i have dsl16000 :S |
| 07:35.00 | sb|work | get cable/vdsl then ;) |
| 07:35.35 | [SW]Dodge | i just need a downloader that uses full connection speed |
| 07:35.46 | sb|work | mh well - cable isnt that good (kabel deutschland) unless you are in BW (kabel bw) - |
| 07:35.50 | sb|work | mhh, torrentex!? |
| 07:36.07 | sb|work | use utorrent + extracted torrent from downloader |
| 07:36.15 | sb|work | but i dont know if that works with prepatch |
| 07:36.23 | [SW]Dodge | the blizz loadeder only uses40kb/s it could use 1.6mb |
| 07:36.41 | ramoz | bah |
| 07:36.53 | ramoz | the downloaded uses like an hour to check the 900mb.. |
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| 07:37.26 | mitch0 | yo |
| 07:37.44 | mitch0 | maldivia: are you around? |
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| 07:43.05 | orionshock | grr, no beta realms |
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| 07:44.00 | Zyndrome | >:[ |
| 07:44.24 | Zyndrome | in before patchnotes that says "Damage done by pallys and DKs reduced by 99%" |
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| 07:47.51 | Arrowmaster | damn printer is out of paper and holding my midterm ransom on me |
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| 07:48.22 | whatsinthename | my TA's are lenient, i can just email it to them |
| 07:50.22 | orionshock | damn jam it... beta realms are down still |
| 07:50.51 | CIA-59 | wow-ui-source: 03Tekkub 07wrath * rf095e8f 10/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Build 9061 - http://is.gd/3Hsq |
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| 07:52.25 | Arrowmaster | i fucking hate HP printers |
| 07:52.35 | [SW]Dodge | orionshock: EU live too, so dont cry :> you are not the only one who cant play :c |
| 07:53.04 | Arrowmaster | ok so im printing out 8 pages, heres the page numbers starting from the bottem of the stack, so first number is the first page printed |
| 07:54.30 | Zeksie | Xinhuan: yes, as in they almost never load.. |
| 07:54.51 | Xinhuan | i've figured out the problem |
| 07:54.56 | Zeksie | do tell |
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| 07:55.16 | Xinhuan | addons with ## LoadOnDemand: 1 will not load even if other addons list them in their OptDeps |
| 07:55.29 | Zeksie | well yes. i got that much ;) |
| 07:55.33 | Xinhuan | the addons using these LoD addons (usually libs) must explicitly use LoadAddOn() |
| 07:55.41 | Arrowmaster | 8, 7 (printer runs out of paper so i grab a small amount and put it in), 6 (but only about 2 inchs of the page actually got anything printed on it), 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 (oh but this time it ran out again since it used more than i thought it would and grabed the last 2 pages at once and didnt print it completely on one page) |
| 07:55.43 | digmouse | they dont reset ui scale, at last! |
| 07:55.59 | Zeksie | intentional change in behaviour you think? |
| 07:56.20 | Zeksie | if it is, LibStub should be tweaked I recon. |
| 07:56.46 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: the addon with LoD in the toc, change its interface version to 30000 |
| 07:56.49 | Zeksie | was doing the manual LoadAddOn() bit with ZOMG. |
| 07:56.59 | Zeksie | Arrowmaster: doesn't work |
| 07:57.02 | Xinhuan | id didn't matter Arrowmaster |
| 07:57.04 | Xinhuan | i tested this |
| 07:57.10 | Xinhuan | whether the TOCs are 20400 or 30000 |
| 07:57.19 | Arrowmaster | then they really fucking broke it bad |
| 07:57.21 | Xinhuan | i wrote 2 test addons, AddonA and AddonB |
| 07:57.27 | Xinhuan | and all i have are these 2 addons |
| 07:57.37 | Xinhuan | i made AddonA LoD, and B optdep A |
| 07:57.39 | Xinhuan | A refused to load |
| 07:57.44 | mitch0 | that sounds kinda bad |
| 07:58.00 | Xinhuan | the only way i could make B load, is to LoadAddOn("AddonA") inside B |
| 07:58.08 | Xinhuan | make A* load |
| 07:58.20 | Arrowmaster | sorry you still cant beat my test addon |
| 07:58.35 | Zeksie | would it hurt a lot if we get LibStub to do the LoadAddOn(). Never enable ofc. Just do the load |
| 07:58.52 | Arrowmaster | addon LoadBug, code 'LoadAddOn("LoadBug")' |
| 07:59.08 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: yes |
| 07:59.10 | Xinhuan | its possible, but i'll as much call LoadAddOn() myself on every optdet |
| 07:59.12 | Xinhuan | optdep |
| 07:59.33 | Arrowmaster | libstub will never call LoadAddOn() for you |
| 08:00.02 | Zeksie | Arrowmaster: i'd agree that was the intention before this new behaviour. |
| 08:00.12 | Arrowmaster | it still never will |
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| 08:00.41 | Zeksie | but what's the point of asking LibStub for a lib you know damned well is there, only to say 'no, sorry, it's not loaded' |
| 08:00.42 | mitch0 | that sounds like a lot of work delegated to addons without any clear benefits... |
| 08:00.42 | Arrowmaster | calling LoadAddOn() in the main chunk before your addons ADDON_LOADED fires will break AceAddon-3.0 and AceDB-3.0 |
| 08:00.58 | Zeksie | Every addon will just create it's own seperate wrappy to LoadAddOn() LibStub it. |
| 08:01.02 | Zeksie | which is kidna defeating the point |
| 08:01.10 | Xinhuan | it wouldn't, if AceAddon and AceDB was properly corrected |
| 08:01.22 | Xinhuan | which they weren't since OptDep actually worked |
| 08:01.24 | Xinhuan | now it doesn't |
| 08:01.39 | Xinhuan | now how am i to force a disembedded lib to load if i don't use LoadAddOn()? |
| 08:01.54 | Zeksie | I've done the LoadAddOn() thing in ZOMG without any penalities or problems. |
| 08:01.55 | Arrowmaster | they cant be, unless that new return to IsAddOnLoaded() actually does what its suppost to |
| 08:02.06 | Xinhuan | IsAddOnLoaded() returns nil, nil fyi |
| 08:02.12 | Arrowmaster | or 1,1 |
| 08:02.14 | Xinhuan | until after LoadAddOn(), then it returns 1, 1 |
| 08:02.21 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 08:02.34 | Xinhuan | the returns is 0, 1 before ADDON_LOADED |
| 08:02.40 | Arrowmaster | it does? |
| 08:02.46 | Xinhuan | i'll go test it now |
| 08:02.46 | Arrowmaster | when i tested it it didnt |
| 08:02.52 | Xinhuan | there's a new patch today |
| 08:03.10 | Xinhuan | actually nvm, cbf |
| 08:03.16 | Arrowmaster | i can try to hack something up if that works |
| 08:03.30 | Xinhuan | in any case, Optdep and LoD are very very broken right now |
| 08:03.35 | Xinhuan | and i dont' have any method to go around it |
| 08:03.37 | Arrowmaster | but really any 'fixes' to that problem in AceAddon-3.0 are major hacks that will never fully work right |
| 08:03.40 | Xinhuan | apart from LoadAddOn() |
| 08:04.02 | Zyndrome | I like the beta forums... feedback on the bust and ass size on belfs |
| 08:04.04 | Xinhuan | they aren't hacks if its the ONLy way to fix it |
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| 08:04.21 | Arrowmaster | they are hacks if they dont work |
| 08:04.33 | Xinhuan | i would go as far as to say AceDB and AceAddon are not coded properly to work |
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| 08:04.44 | Arrowmaster | how would you fix it then? |
| 08:04.46 | Xinhuan | they only relied on the convenience feature of optdep loading |
| 08:05.01 | Arrowmaster | other than requiring people to specify the addons name |
| 08:05.17 | Xinhuan | dunno how i would, haven't looked at the code in aceaddon for 8 months |
| 08:05.37 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt do any guessing at all |
| 08:05.56 | Arrowmaster | it just fires OnInit on the next ADDON_LOADED since it cant know what addon it was run from |
| 08:06.14 | Zeksie | It broke about the same time WoW started barfing on cyclic optdeps. pointless comment, but was something that stumped me for 10 mins. |
| 08:06.47 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: that was what my comment about my LoadBug addon that just did LoadAddOn("LoadBug") |
| 08:06.52 | Arrowmaster | was about |
| 08:06.59 | Arrowmaster | created a loop |
| 08:07.08 | Zeksie | yeah, you get same effect from OptDeping in TOCs each way |
| 08:07.54 | theoddone33 | can moonkin use a healthstone? |
| 08:07.54 | Arrowmaster | yeah i discovered that bug an the cause for it, and iriel told bliz and they 'fixed' it months later by reverting the change |
| 08:08.43 | Xinhuan | months later. sounds good |
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| 08:08.54 | Xinhuan | meanwhile, i'm going to insert LoadAddOns all over omen3 |
| 08:09.11 | Arrowmaster | just dont do it in the main chunk |
| 08:09.32 | Xinhuan | i hardly think there is any effect whether its in the main chunk or not |
| 08:09.36 | Zeksie | i did mine right before the call to LibStub to get them. why shouldn't i? |
| 08:09.37 | Arrowmaster | there is |
| 08:09.42 | Xinhuan | explain |
| 08:09.54 | Arrowmaster | the effect is AceDB-3.0 wont save anything |
| 08:10.08 | Xinhuan | why would it not? |
| 08:10.20 | Arrowmaster | because it initalizes the saved var before its loaded |
| 08:10.24 | Arrowmaster | then bliz overwrites it |
| 08:10.33 | Xinhuan | why does acedb do that? |
| 08:10.50 | Arrowmaster | because you called LoadAddOn() before ADDON_LOADED |
| 08:11.00 | Xinhuan | how does that affect anything? |
| 08:11.03 | Arrowmaster | and AceAddon-3.0 called OnInit on the first ADDON_LOADED |
| 08:11.19 | Arrowmaster | and your OnInit called AceDB-3.0 to initalize the saved var |
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| 08:11.47 | Xinhuan | fine, i'll check arg1 then |
| 08:12.07 | Arrowmaster | youll have to stop using OnInit completely and just register for ADDON_LOADED |
| 08:14.07 | mitch0 | I'm getting confused... |
| 08:14.26 | mitch0 | hopefully you'll sort it out and write some wiki page about the proper way of handling this stuff ;) |
| 08:14.52 | mitch0 | or fix libstub/acedb/aceaddon so that we don't even realize anything changed :) |
| 08:14.56 | Arrowmaster | it was in the Ace3 docs or was suppost to be mentioned |
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| 08:15.08 | Arrowmaster | mitch0: cant currently |
| 08:15.35 | Arrowmaster | since its impossible to detect what addon AceAddon-3.0:New() is being called from |
| 08:15.41 | Srosh | Will there be an automatic externals fix pass going over the repo or is that not possible? |
| 08:15.54 | Xinhuan | its actually possible to detect right now |
| 08:16.00 | Xinhuan | since arg1 is in global namespace |
| 08:16.10 | Xinhuan | aceaddon is the culprit since it dosen't pass in arg1 |
| 08:16.14 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:16.32 | Arrowmaster | because OnInit will still only be called once |
| 08:16.41 | Xinhuan | i understand that |
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| 08:17.11 | mitch0 | can you guys explain what exactly the problem is (in a bit more detailed way, I know you understand each other from half sentences, but I'm kinda curious what's going on here) |
| 08:17.33 | Xinhuan | the solution is simple, i won't initialize the db until PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 08:18.51 | Arrowmaster | mitch0: AddonA is loading and say at the end of the file it does LoadAddOn("AddonB"), so then the game loads AddonB then fires ADDON_LOADED(arg1="AddonB") followed by ADDON_LOADED(arg1="AddonA") |
| 08:19.56 | Xinhuan | as i understand it, if i put LoadAddOn() at the top of the file, OnInit will never run at all |
| 08:20.17 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:20.34 | mitch0 | OnInit == OnInitialize(), right? (just to be clear) |
| 08:20.40 | Arrowmaster | mitch0: yeah |
| 08:20.46 | Xinhuan | it wont' run if LoadAddon() is after the NewAddon() call |
| 08:20.50 | Xinhuan | but it will run if its before |
| 08:21.12 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: it will run nomatter what, its just is it running at the correct time or too early |
| 08:21.24 | Xinhuan | no Arrowmaster |
| 08:21.44 | Xinhuan | if i did :newAddon() first, that registers for OnInit to run on next ADDON_LOADED |
| 08:21.48 | mitch0 | arrow: but if all the LoadAddon() calls are at the very beginning of the file, then it's basically the same behaviour as we had before (with optdeps), isn't it? |
| 08:21.56 | Xinhuan | if i do LoadAddon() right after that :newaddon() call |
| 08:22.00 | Xinhuan | OnInit hasn't been defined yet |
| 08:22.07 | Xinhuan | ADDON_LOADED will fire for addon B |
| 08:22.08 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: correct |
| 08:22.14 | Xinhuan | and so oniit will never run |
| 08:22.28 | Xinhuan | therefore the LoadAddon must be before :Newaddon() |
| 08:22.31 | Xinhuan | and it'll be perfectly fine |
| 08:22.37 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 08:23.02 | Xinhuan | so there we go, my LoadAddons will be in the main chunk, before :newAddon() |
| 08:23.18 | orionshock | i know pastey fubar'ed it, but can anyone tell me why http://ace.pastey.net/97715 would log the guild list in the friends frame to Always show offline members regardless of the check box? http://ace.pastey.net/97715 |
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| 08:23.58 | Xinhuan | its some silly bug orionshock |
| 08:24.04 | Xinhuan | in the wow client |
| 08:24.10 | Xinhuan | toggling it sometimes doesn't toggle it |
| 08:24.17 | orionshock | :( |
| 08:24.28 | mitch0 | actually, that fix could be scripted for all projects (parsing OptDeps, and inserting the required LoadAddon() calls at the top of the main file (if the "main file" can be easily guessed) |
| 08:24.31 | Xinhuan | if you use any addon that does autocomplete for you in the mailbox for guildnames/friendnames |
| 08:24.37 | Zeksie | it's like when you open mailbox, it'll search whole guild, then the guild list remains as whole guild |
| 08:24.39 | mitch0 | or am I completely off? |
| 08:24.45 | Xinhuan | you'll notice it |
| 08:24.54 | Xinhuan | yep mitch0 |
| 08:25.07 | Xinhuan | all i need is just a loop |
| 08:25.13 | Xinhuan | to get addon optdeps in the code itself |
| 08:25.19 | Xinhuan | and i'll never worry about it again |
| 08:25.26 | Zyndrome | sweet |
| 08:25.28 | Arrowmaster | but you cant get optdeps from the api |
| 08:25.30 | Zyndrome | EU beta's up |
| 08:25.33 | Xinhuan | you can |
| 08:25.39 | Arrowmaster | since when? |
| 08:25.46 | Xinhuan | since a long while ago |
| 08:25.54 | Arrowmaster | check again |
| 08:25.59 | Arrowmaster | its not possible on live |
| 08:26.05 | Xinhuan | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetAddOnDependencies |
| 08:26.14 | Xinhuan | feel free to object |
| 08:26.26 | Arrowmaster | that only lists reqdeps |
| 08:26.37 | Xinhuan | HMMz |
| 08:27.00 | Xinhuan | ok i concede that point |
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| 08:27.17 | Arrowmaster | test if you want, i havent in a long time |
| 08:27.29 | mitch0 | what is the point of this change anyway? |
| 08:27.33 | mitch0 | isn't it just a bug? |
| 08:27.40 | Arrowmaster | its a bug IMHO |
| 08:27.44 | [SW]Dodge | douesnt GetAddOnMetadata work? |
| 08:27.49 | Arrowmaster | [SW]Dodge: no |
| 08:27.52 | Zeksie | prolly a bug.. 99%.. |
| 08:28.28 | mitch0 | btw, will LoadAddon load disabled addons? |
| 08:28.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:28.43 | mitch0 | good |
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| 08:31.03 | Zeksie | eep. that's promising.. 30 secs into latest beta build and i get a VPU reset. |
| 08:31.09 | Zyndrome | http://www.shatteredminds.net/skit/master-of-ghouls-lol.jpg |
| 08:31.10 | Zyndrome | oh wut |
| 08:32.08 | [SW]Dodge | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9336870406&postId=93357724873&sid=1#0 |
| 08:32.18 | mitch0 | actually, GetAddonMetadata could still be useful, just the OptDeps line should be duplicated as X-OptDeps (if I understand the docs correctly), and then it would be a bit easier to keep the LoadAddon()s in sync with the OptDeps |
| 08:33.12 | Xinhuan | if i were to do that, i might as well just load them manually lien by line in the main chunk ;p |
| 08:33.21 | mitch0 | but then again, are the OptDeps used in any way if this change is not a bug? |
| 08:33.31 | Xinhuan | unsure |
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| 08:34.58 | Xinhuan | also, if you noted carefully |
| 08:35.06 | Xinhuan | all LoD addons are now red in text at the login page |
| 08:35.09 | Xinhuan | and they won't load |
| 08:35.15 | Xinhuan | unless forced to by LoadAddOn() |
| 08:35.58 | mitch0 | hm |
| 08:36.39 | Zeksie | OptDeps would still be useful for ordering of addons loaded, assuming non LOD addons |
| 08:36.39 | Arrowmaster | oh god im so tempted to make a post in this wowmatrix thread on the ui forums |
| 08:36.50 | orionshock | thanks Maldivia... wtb more error() when there is no data to look at :D just spent 20 mins trying to debug "GetBuildInfo() ~= 9038" .... |
| 08:36.51 | Xinhuan | i glanced thru it |
| 08:36.52 | Arrowmaster | so tempted to mention something a little birdy told me |
| 08:36.54 | Xinhuan | 4 pages heh |
| 08:36.57 | Arrowmaster | but i cant |
| 08:37.05 | Arrowmaster | because it could be bad |
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| 08:37.40 | Zyndrome | nice, ghouls still die when spawned if you're not specced into master of ghouls ._. |
| 08:39.35 | Xinhuan | what do you think of cogwheel's post, Arrowmaster? |
| 08:40.31 | mitch0 | dodge: nice thread :) |
| 08:41.47 | Arrowmaster | i fear i cant even mention what the little birdy told me in here |
| 08:42.53 | mitch0 | just hint at it :) |
| 08:43.01 | mitch0 | or change nick first :) |
| 08:43.12 | Arrowmaster | i cant |
| 08:43.23 | Arrowmaster | because if i did you would probably figure it out quickly |
| 08:43.23 | mitch0 | what's this thread you're talking about btw? |
| 08:43.42 | orionshock | Arrowmaster: there are only so many things that can happend with wowmatrix... |
| 08:44.00 | Xinhuan | that doesnt answer my question ;p |
| 08:44.03 | Xinhuan | what do you think of cogwheel's post, Arrowmaster? |
| 08:44.23 | mitch0 | aaanyway, back on itemLinks and IsItemInRange() |
| 08:44.41 | mitch0 | is it safe to call IsItemInRange() with itemLinks returned by GetItemInfo()? |
| 08:44.45 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: havent gotten to it yet |
| 08:44.48 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10871018107&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 08:44.49 | Xinhuan | page 4 |
| 08:45.00 | mitch0 | or it can still blow up if the server doesn't know of the item? |
| 08:45.04 | Xinhuan | its mainly a discussion on the legality of wowmatrix |
| 08:45.25 | Xinhuan | uncertain of that mitch |
| 08:45.47 | Xinhuan | for now, i'll assume that if your cache has it, its safe to use |
| 08:45.52 | Zeksie | mitch0: from what i've seen the server wont' boot you, at first. but if you keep spamming requests from bad links I've seen it still DC you |
| 08:45.55 | mitch0 | any easy way of testing it? (stay up at patch day and try to log in as fast as I can after server restart? :) |
| 08:46.08 | Xinhuan | well yeah, login and test it ;p |
| 08:46.14 | Xinhuan | server is up |
| 08:46.30 | Zeksie | just invent a fake link. |
| 08:46.31 | Xinhuan | both PTRs and beta are all up |
| 08:46.39 | Zeksie | no need to wait for specific time |
| 08:46.45 | Shefki | Xinhuan: I have to say I don't really get this huge WoWMatrix thing. |
| 08:46.56 | Shefki | Why is this suddenly a big issue again? It's not new. |
| 08:47.02 | mitch0 | zeksie: but a fake link is not the same as a valid link returned by getiteminfo |
| 08:47.03 | Xinhuan | Shefki: wowmatrix is a program that automates updating your addons |
| 08:47.14 | Xinhuan | its fast replacing WAU as the program of choice |
| 08:47.16 | Shefki | Yes but it's been around for probably a year now. |
| 08:47.16 | Xinhuan | because it works |
| 08:47.27 | Shefki | Of course, becuase a huge void was left. |
| 08:47.33 | Shefki | Curse Client wasn't read. |
| 08:47.35 | Zeksie | but a valid link is not what you were asking about. it's about an invalid one that's not droppped yet |
| 08:47.35 | Xinhuan | how it does its work is, it knows the URLs of the zip files |
| 08:47.37 | Shefki | ready* |
| 08:47.45 | Xinhuan | how it does its work is, it knows the URLs of the zip files of most major addons |
| 08:48.09 | Xinhuan | and it just downloads from those URLs directly - this URL can be on curse, on wowi, on uiwow or wowace, or even acutioneer's website |
| 08:48.29 | mitch0 | zeksie: "not dropped yet"? |
| 08:48.33 | Xinhuan | simply put, it just knows where to update addons from and retrieves the zips directly, and installs it in your addon folder |
| 08:48.36 | Shefki | Yup. Nobody got bent out of shape that JWU let you get addons from Curse of WoWI. |
| 08:48.53 | Shefki | So a) I don't get why people are bent out of shape about this. |
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| 08:48.56 | Xinhuan | the people arguing against it is that wowmatrix is just "leeching bandwidth" |
| 08:49.07 | Xinhuan | since wowi, wowace, etc are no longer earning ad revenue |
| 08:49.11 | Xinhuan | because of the direct zip downloads |
| 08:49.27 | Shefki | That's their problem. |
| 08:49.30 | Shefki | Not everyone elses. |
| 08:49.31 | mitch0 | zeksie: these links _should_ be valid in-game items. the question is, is it safe to assume I can use a (valid, in-game) link return by getItemInfo() regardless of server-state |
| 08:49.41 | Xinhuan | in no manner, does the author of wowmatrix ever host the zips themselves |
| 08:49.41 | Shefki | If they want to stop WoWMatrix then they should. |
| 08:49.56 | Xinhuan | they even clearly state so, that they don't |
| 08:50.01 | dafire | they would cry more if wowmatrix would mirror the files |
| 08:50.09 | mitch0 | zeksie: that is, could it happen that the server somehow didn't cache the item yet and b0rks on it (instead of caching it when I call the API with the link) |
| 08:50.10 | Zeksie | mitch0: the whole point of server booting was to stop link fishing from items that had not yet dropped on your server. |
| 08:50.21 | Xinhuan | and that you are just using a utility to download from the source |
| 08:50.29 | Shefki | If I'm not wrong though WoWMatrix uses curl so you'd probably end up having to block every curl client too. |
| 08:50.36 | Zeksie | if you gte the lnk from GetItemInfo(), hten it's valid imo |
| 08:50.43 | Xinhuan | there is no redistribution by wowmatrix |
| 08:50.52 | Xinhuan | hence you can't cite or use copyright rules |
| 08:50.55 | Xinhuan | or laws |
| 08:50.55 | mitch0 | zeksie: and the server should also "have it", right? |
| 08:51.03 | dafire | Shefki: how would you block curl? |
| 08:51.09 | Zeksie | right |
| 08:51.14 | Shefki | UserAgent. |
| 08:51.19 | Xinhuan | not necessarily zeksie |
| 08:51.20 | Shefki | Unless they modify it. |
| 08:51.32 | Xinhuan | server restarts wipe out the server cache, but not the local cache |
| 08:51.55 | Xinhuan | i can have the legendary bug mount itemlink in my cache, but the server won't have it on its server cache until the owner of one logs on |
| 08:52.02 | dafire | i never used curl without setting a browser user agent .) |
| 08:52.23 | Zeksie | yeah, but i doubt he's talking about such rare cases |
| 08:52.33 | mitch0 | zeksie: in fact I do |
| 08:52.36 | mitch0 | :) |
| 08:52.41 | Xinhuan | he's not, he's only interested in bandages if i'm not wrong |
| 08:52.47 | mitch0 | xin: not any more |
| 08:52.51 | Xinhuan | oh? |
| 08:52.51 | Zeksie | lawl |
| 08:52.54 | mitch0 | the horizons are widening :) |
| 08:52.58 | Xinhuan | what have you decided to add? |
| 08:53.02 | Zeksie | need more coffee |
| 08:53.06 | Zeksie | add coffee |
| 08:53.08 | mitch0 | other items with range |
| 08:53.13 | Xinhuan | examples? |
| 08:53.17 | Shefki | dafire: If they change the user agent there may very well be ways to profile that it's curl despite the user agent being something else. |
| 08:53.19 | mitch0 | (like the Decapacitator, as arrow suggested yesterday) |
| 08:53.31 | Xinhuan | what's a decapacitator |
| 08:53.34 | mitch0 | but of course, only if it's "safe" |
| 08:53.36 | Shefki | dafire: Different browsers do things in slighly different ways. Different order of headers in the request and so on... |
| 08:53.47 | Gnarfoz | Decapitator |
| 08:53.48 | mitch0 | some axe with on-use effect to throw for 40yds |
| 08:53.56 | mitch0 | yeah, that even |
| 08:53.57 | Xinhuan | [06Kang the Decapitator] - Binds when equipped | Two-Hand | 136 - 205 Damage | Axe | (47.4 damage per second) | Speed 3.60 | Requires Level 44 | Chance on hit: Wounds the target causing them to bleed for 560 damage over 30 sec. |
| 08:53.57 | Xinhuan | 8 match(s) found for "Decapitator". Displayed match 1 above. Use !item2, !item3, etc. (XinGuru 2.61, bot available in-game!) |
| 08:54.10 | Gnarfoz | lawl xinguru :> |
| 08:54.13 | Xinhuan | not that one i think? |
| 08:54.15 | Gnarfoz | you have too much spare time on your hands ;) |
| 08:54.17 | mitch0 | no |
| 08:54.17 | dafire | Shefki: but it's easy to imitate a widely used browser .9 |
| 08:54.19 | Shefki | dafire: If you're determined you can block it unless they precisely immitate something that is a popular browser. |
| 08:54.21 | mitch0 | the one from prince afaik |
| 08:54.21 | Gnarfoz | karazhan, malchezaar |
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| 08:54.45 | Shefki | dafire: And finally if all that doesn't work they can just stop giving static urls and start giving out random URLs. |
| 08:54.56 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: wowmatrix takes efforts to make its presense as wowmatrix when downloading addons afaik, i have standards and wont install it on my own computer to try and traffic sniff though |
| 08:55.14 | dafire | Shefki: it just changes from one request to two requests.. parsing the download site and then downloading .9 |
| 08:55.17 | mitch0 | xin: funny thing is, IsItemInRange() with that axe works on any class (level 1 mage, for example :) |
| 08:55.17 | Gnarfoz | standards, wheee lol |
| 08:55.18 | Xinhuan | as far as i can tell, wowmatrix doesn't attempt to hide anything |
| 08:55.20 | Arrowmaster | mask |
| 08:55.24 | Shefki | If you want to see a website designed to stop that sort of stuff go to grc.com. That guy has spent an inordinate amount of time preventing people from reusing his site. |
| 08:55.31 | Xinhuan | yes mitch0, cos its in your item cache |
| 08:55.38 | Arrowmaster | i was told it was using an IE useragent |
| 08:55.52 | Gnarfoz | that guy is also a nutjob xD |
| 08:55.55 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: I installed it briefly to see what version of my addon it was giving people out of curiosity. |
| 08:56.28 | mitch0 | xin: yeah, but the level 1 mage a) doesn't have it, b) can't use it, yet it works. I was a bit surprised, but I'm happy ;) |
| 08:56.35 | Facktotum | http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9902/notmelf4.jpg |
| 08:56.53 | Gnarfoz | sexy |
| 08:56.55 | Xinhuan | you can do anything yu want with an itemlink if its in your cache |
| 08:57.02 | mitch0 | factotum: go away... |
| 08:57.17 | Xinhuan | EXCEPT send the link out to a chat channel - which will work only if the server has seen it since server restart |
| 08:57.42 | dafire | and you should not update the data for the link i think :) |
| 08:57.50 | mitch0 | so, does the server see every craftable item? |
| 08:58.01 | Zeksie | no |
| 08:58.03 | Shefki | At any rate people are saying that WoWMatrix is removing addons at author requests. |
| 08:58.13 | Zeksie | mmm. maybe. |
| 08:58.14 | Shefki | So if authors have an issue with it they can ask them to stop. |
| 08:58.14 | Arrowmaster | small addons |
| 08:58.15 | mitch0 | (like bandages, I log in with my char with empty directory, yet I bet I can link bandages() |
| 08:58.27 | Arrowmaster | large addons you have to keep pressuring them |
| 08:58.52 | mitch0 | s/directory/inventory/ bah... |
| 08:58.58 | Zeksie | Shefki: I did ask them top stop distributing XPerl some time ago after they completely botched it and I had to answer a bunch of support for it... didn't listen tho |
| 08:59.15 | Arrowmaster | see |
| 08:59.31 | Arrowmaster | they only remove minor addons on first request |
| 08:59.41 | Xinhuan | so Zeksie, you think wowmatrix is bad too? |
| 09:00.11 | Zeksie | if they did their job, and I didn't have to fix the mess, then I'd not have too much problem with it. But when I have to pick up the peices, then I'll bitch |
| 09:00.41 | Xinhuan | what have you needed to pick up? |
| 09:00.42 | Zeksie | although it's not happened recently, so I assume they fixed whatever it was. |
| 09:01.05 | Shefki | dafire: It would be reasonably easy to randomize the HTML enough to make it a bitch to reliably parse. If the download sites kept breaking it often enough they'll end up giving up or users would just stop using it because it would be broken so much. |
| 09:01.11 | Zeksie | I had a load of complaints that X, Y & Z people downloaded Xperl from wowmatrix and it fubared their system etc etc. |
| 09:01.20 | Zeksie | usual crap |
| 09:01.41 | Xinhuan | what was your response? you told them to download from location A, B or C instead, yeah? |
| 09:01.52 | Shefki | dafire: Go so far as to encode some of the HTML in javascript to force them to actually encode a javascript parser. |
| 09:02.10 | Zeksie | yeah, i told them i'd not anything to do with wowmatrix, and to get it from elsewhere |
| 09:02.15 | Shefki | s/actually encode/actually include/ |
| 09:02.36 | Xinhuan | i wouldn't call that "answer a bunch of support for it" because that really is "not supporting it" |
| 09:02.42 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 09:02.47 | Shefki | If both WoWI and Curse collectively messed them up often enough I doubt the user base would stick around long. |
| 09:03.07 | Zeksie | you're nit-picking ;).. if it was one person, fine. but it was like 30 |
| 09:03.38 | Zeksie | not a huge amount considering the number of ppl using xperl, but is still a large chunk out of your otherwise nice morning |
| 09:03.53 | Shefki | But frankly if addon authors want to stop WoWMatrix they need to stop being nitwits about curse and WoWI. |
| 09:04.02 | Shefki | "OMG curse is ugly" |
| 09:04.08 | dafire | wowi even has an open api for updaters |
| 09:04.20 | Shefki | "I hate WoWI" |
| 09:04.33 | Stanzilla | wowi's updater is cool |
| 09:04.37 | Shefki | Yeah it's annoying to read comments from both sites. But which would your rather do... |
| 09:04.47 | dafire | it's not like curse that force all developers to release on curse.com :) |
| 09:04.58 | Xinhuan | so what a lot of ppl did: only host on wowace! |
| 09:05.07 | Shefki | Deal with 2 sites and have users able to use an updater that you know gives them your addon in a way you're happy with. |
| 09:05.12 | Arrowmaster | dafire: nobody is forcing anybody to release on curse |
| 09:05.13 | Shefki | Or deal with WoWMatrix. |
| 09:05.41 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: At this point if you don't at least bother to upload to curse and WoWI you're flat out not trying. |
| 09:06.08 | Arrowmaster | ok well i guess i dont try then |
| 09:06.16 | Arrowmaster | since i dont code for others |
| 09:06.55 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: Are you unhappy that WoWMatrix is distributing your addons? |
| 09:07.05 | Stanzilla | Zeksie: you can still download xperl with wowmatrix, even the latest version :P |
| 09:07.11 | Stanzilla | just installed it in a VM |
| 09:07.12 | Arrowmaster | wowmatrix isnt distributing my addons anymore |
| 09:07.24 | Zeksie | yes, i know. just looked |
| 09:07.28 | Arrowmaster | but it is distributing addons containing my code |
| 09:07.30 | Shefki | Because all I see WoWMatrix is doing is making it easy for the users to deal with everyones addons since some authors refuse to upload to both sites. |
| 09:07.33 | Arrowmaster | that i am unhappy with |
| 09:07.37 | Stanzilla | it even unpacks it correctly |
| 09:07.54 | Xinhuan | from a user standpoint, it sure beats the heck out of CC |
| 09:08.17 | Shefki | As it is right now CC is a huge step back from JWU. |
| 09:08.21 | dafire | Arrowmaster: ok .. let's phrase different... if you use wowace repositorys you don't have the coice to not publish betas on curse.com |
| 09:08.43 | Shefki | dafire: Sure you do, turn off the packager. |
| 09:08.50 | Arrowmaster | dafire: well wowace is part of curse |
| 09:09.07 | Zeksie | Xinhuan: yes, that's my feeling atm. Before i was a bit against it, and that horrid morning of answering emails made me a bit uppity toward them, but given CC's erm.... ineptitude, then I don't really mind |
| 09:09.08 | dafire | yes... so it can force you |
| 09:09.19 | Arrowmaster | its an exchange |
| 09:09.43 | Shefki | dafire: Go to the project page. Repositories. Edit Repository. |
| 09:09.46 | Arrowmaster | curse gives you all the nice tools in exchange for you giving curse content for its site |
| 09:09.54 | Shefki | Package Type: No Packaging. |
| 09:10.00 | Shefki | There you go. No syndication. |
| 09:10.22 | dafire | Arrowmaster: it would be ok if you could set it to only syndicate release versions |
| 09:10.24 | Xinhuan | if you set it to no packaging, wowace users wouldn't be able to download it too |
| 09:10.31 | Arrowmaster | dafire: you can |
| 09:10.34 | Zeksie | you can |
| 09:10.48 | Zeksie | what shefki said, but select Release only |
| 09:11.00 | Shefki | Xinhuan: Yeah well wowace is curse for all practical purposes now. |
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| 09:11.31 | dafire | no.. packaging beta versions for people that choose to betatest but only sending release versions to curse.com |
| 09:11.32 | Shefki | Xinhuan: And wowace is totally not designed for users to be looking for files to download. |
| 09:11.58 | Shefki | dafire: After you upload it set it to alpha. |
| 09:12.04 | Shefki | It'll go away from curse then. |
| 09:12.10 | Zeksie | dafire. if it's set to alpha, it won't show on curse |
| 09:12.45 | Shefki | Anyway back to WoWMatrix. My point is users have had cake for the past few years. |
| 09:13.11 | Shefki | The WoWAce -> Curse has removed the cake (i.e. a really good updater). |
| 09:13.19 | Shefki | You can't really be all that surprised that someone is filling that void. |
| 09:13.42 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: so think we can get omen removed from wowmatrix now? |
| 09:13.49 | dafire | some updaters already work with the new curse page |
| 09:14.03 | Shefki | dafire: JWU for example. |
| 09:15.02 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: oh wait, quest helper has a new active maintainer! new person to recruit to the cult! |
| 09:15.02 | dafire | Arrowmaster: maybe it will change when people using curse updater get my fucked up closegnome betas instead of the real one .) |
| 09:15.02 | Arrowmaster | dafire: dont make me move it |
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| 09:15.33 | dafire | Arrowmaster: why would you ? mine was on curse before the other one |
| 09:15.39 | Zhinjio | G"morning. |
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| 09:16.58 | Xinhuan | i have no beef with wowmatrix, and i see no issues with it linking omen files in its client |
| 09:17.33 | Arrowmaster | lol wowmatrix has bejeweled listed |
| 09:17.36 | Xinhuan | it isn't violating any copyright laws either |
| 09:17.41 | Arrowmaster | lets recruit popcap to the cause! |
| 09:17.51 | Arrowmaster | i have major beef with it |
| 09:17.53 | Arrowmaster | since i see deeplinking like that as illegal |
| 09:18.09 | Xinhuan | i don't |
| 09:18.24 | Arrowmaster | it organized a ddos on the auctioneer main server by deeplinking past the loadbalancing url |
| 09:18.30 | Arrowmaster | how about that? |
| 09:18.40 | Shefki | Deep linking isn't illegal no matter how much people hate it. |
| 09:18.43 | Xinhuan | its not intended |
| 09:18.49 | Xinhuan | no harm was intended |
| 09:19.15 | Xinhuan | something can be legal even if you don't like it |
| 09:19.29 | Shefki | If it was Google would have no end of legal troubles. |
| 09:19.38 | Zhinjio | No harm was intended when splitting the atom the first time either. |
| 09:19.46 | Zhinjio | nm, I won't troll. |
| 09:19.53 | Zhinjio | backs away slowly. |
| 09:19.54 | dafire | google has no end of legal trouble btw |
| 09:20.17 | Xinhuan | only because people see the oppotunity to MAYBE profit off a lawsuit on google |
| 09:20.22 | Shefki | dafire: Getting sued by idiots that google quickly gets summary judgements againt. |
| 09:20.48 | Arrowmaster | except goodle actually tries to intend no harm by doing simple things like respecting robots.txt and such which is a great way to keep all your mirrors except the load balancing url from being indexed |
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| 09:21.05 | Arrowmaster | do you think wowmatrix would do that? |
| 09:21.29 | Shefki | Arrowmaster: If WoWMatrix could do things in a way that would make you happy, what would they have to do? |
| 09:21.58 | Zhinjio | stop trying to profit. |
| 09:22.01 | dafire | die :) |
| 09:22.14 | Shefki | So the objection is over the ads? |
| 09:22.34 | Arrowmaster | basicly what was said in that thread, get autherization from the actual hosts of the files and share ad revenue with them to offset bandwidth costs |
| 09:22.39 | Zhinjio | if they had their own bandwidth, and their own servers that they were linking to, then they have the right to try to profit. |
| 09:23.03 | vithos | what if they used coral cache so the bandwidth costs were negligible? |
| 09:23.11 | dafire | is there anybody here who don't use an ad blocker ?:= |
| 09:23.14 | Arrowmaster | then it would cause more problems |
| 09:23.17 | Shefki | dafire: I don't. |
| 09:23.20 | Zhinjio | I don't. |
| 09:23.23 | Zhinjio | but thats moot. |
| 09:23.34 | Xinhuan | do you know if the authors of JWU, WUU and many other updaters asked website owners for permission then? |
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| 09:23.54 | Xinhuan | those programs are no different from wowmatrix |
| 09:24.09 | Arrowmaster | those programs dont try to make a profit |
| 09:24.20 | dafire | i would not use one if there would be only banners and stuff... but i can't live with popup ads and pseudo popup ads that cover the page .) |
| 09:24.31 | Zeksie | i think it's the profitteering that has ppl riled. |
| 09:24.35 | Arrowmaster | for wow related stuff, gold selling / powerleveling / etc ads make the most money |
| 09:24.35 | vithos | those programs are probably technically worse than wowmatrix since they hit every single addon info page seperately instead of using a central index |
| 09:24.40 | Xinhuan | so its just all about profitting then? |
| 09:24.47 | Xinhuan | that's it? |
| 09:25.08 | Arrowmaster | their own server costs have to be extremely low since they dont do anything with them but server the program |
| 09:25.16 | Arrowmaster | most of it yes |
| 09:25.25 | Xinhuan | people can choose not to use wowmatrix |
| 09:25.29 | Xinhuan | they can use JWU |
| 09:25.34 | Xinhuan | the choice is there |
| 09:25.38 | Arrowmaster | they profit from the kinda ads that we dont like and choose to keep our addons away from |
| 09:25.39 | Zhinjio | profitting off someone else's work, and in fact, exsacerbating their costs. |
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| 09:26.01 | Shefki | http://wuu.vagabonds.info/menu.php |
| 09:26.08 | Shefki | Note the advert at the bottom. |
| 09:26.09 | Xinhuan | so this becomes a discussion of morals, and not legality |
| 09:26.12 | Shefki | So much for that. |
| 09:27.00 | Zhinjio | the legality of such things is a murky pool of water at best, with no real definitive end in sight. |
| 09:27.02 | vithos | Shefki: you should probably just tell us what it is :P |
| 09:27.14 | Zhinjio | and further: decidedly difficult to enforce, regardless of legality |
| 09:27.21 | Arrowmaster | Shefki: its on the page and not in the screenshot though |
| 09:27.24 | Shefki | vithos: Gold ads. |
| 09:27.28 | vithos | ah |
| 09:27.34 | Arrowmaster | is it google ads? |
| 09:27.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah it is |
| 09:27.51 | Arrowmaster | google is full of gold ads |
| 09:27.53 | dafire | i guess the mammut thing brings back fun for gold sellers :) |
| 09:27.56 | Zhinjio | and yeah, I'msorry. I've had a shitty night, and I said I wasn't gonna troll. Y'all haev fun with this. |
| 09:28.42 | Shefki | Blizzard should just make an addon site and build an updater into the game. |
| 09:28.46 | Shefki | End of story. |
| 09:29.07 | Zhinjio | that would be pretty awesome. |
| 09:29.29 | Zhinjio | the only downside, of course, being the hurt it would put on the cottage industry thats built up around that |
| 09:29.40 | Zhinjio | god, I just can't stop. ok, turning this monitor off. |
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| 09:33.42 | Shefki | Interestingly, neither wowi or curse really have anything in their ToU to prohibit deep linking. |
| 09:34.10 | Shefki | The closest either of them get to this is curse with a statement prohibiting commercial use. |
| 09:34.41 | Arrowmaster | which wowmatrix clearly is commercial use |
| 09:35.01 | Fisker- | Dampen Magic malus to heal effects has been reduced. (480 to 255 for Rank 7, 240 to 128 for Rank 6, etc ...) <-zomg apple trees |
| 09:35.04 | dafire | then why don't they do something against it ? |
| 09:35.04 | Shefki | Depends on how it works. |
| 09:35.27 | Zeksie | don't agree that it's commercial. they don't charge for anything directly |
| 09:35.33 | Arrowmaster | they have been trying |
| 09:35.35 | Shefki | If it hits the curse page for the addon and figures the download URL off that then I'd say it isn't. |
| 09:35.41 | Fisker- | That doesn't make it non-commercial |
| 09:35.49 | dafire | Zeksie: making money with ads is commercial :) |
| 09:36.01 | Zeksie | bit of a grey area |
| 09:36.02 | Repo | 10good-target: 03Julith * r38 / (2 files in 1 directory): GoodTarget: |
| 09:36.03 | Repo | - added left out externals |
| 09:36.04 | Shefki | Because it's just an ap in between the user and the website. |
| 09:36.08 | Zeksie | might depend somewhat on your local laws. |
| 09:36.25 | Shefki | Hard to really answer the question without knowing the technical details. |
| 09:36.25 | Arrowmaster | fine ill let up on some details |
| 09:36.27 | cladhaire | it downloads a project id database from wowmatrix |
| 09:36.32 | cladhaire | then hits the download pages directly |
| 09:36.34 | cladhaire | but curse has blocked them |
| 09:36.54 | Fisker- | why must blizzard be so bald? |
| 09:37.39 | Arrowmaster | netcurse has actually talked on the phone with the owner of wowmatrix, and the bastard tried to claim the entire time that they dont do anything wrong and have all the authors love wowmatrix and want their stuff on it |
| 09:37.45 | dafire | Zeksie: if they don't pay taxes i'd see the country that would see it as a grey area :) |
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| 09:38.39 | Zeksie | donations are gifts, and non-taxable. at least in the uk |
| 09:39.45 | dafire | if you get money for ads it's a donation ? |
| 09:39.54 | Fisker- | nope |
| 09:39.58 | Fisker- | it's an income |
| 09:40.40 | Zeksie | a smart accountant would put those to running expenses tho |
| 09:40.57 | dafire | that doesnt matter |
| 09:41.27 | dafire | maybe it lower your taxes but it still counts as income |
| 09:42.40 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6178468050&sid=1#16 <-hehe |
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| 09:44.29 | Repo | 10good-target: 03Julith * r39 GoodTarget.toc: GoodTarget: |
| 09:44.30 | Repo | - decided to make this version 1.0 since I consider it done (since three or five months?) |
| 09:45.16 | Repo | 10good-target: 03Julith 04release of v1.0 * r40 : Tagging as release of v1.0. |
| 09:45.46 | mitch0 | what does it do? it has a nice name (goodtarget) |
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| 09:46.31 | Shefki | Took me a bit to finally realize the reason Blizzard was masking the word scrape. |
| 09:48.16 | dafire | i remember a bot in a big german irc channel that kicked on "Tisch lampe" :) |
| 09:49.46 | mitch0 | so, does anyone have a sound idea about these questions: 1) is it possible to item-link a bandage from my craft panel right after server restart and I'm the first player online and I don't have said bandage. 2) if it is, how does it work? (as I understand, you can't just link any item from your cache) |
| 09:51.05 | Arrowmaster | mitch0: just create a hidden gametooltip and run tooltip:SetHyperlink(itemlink) onload |
| 09:52.29 | Zeksie | doesn't even need to be hidden, if you don't SetOwner the GameTooltip, the SetHyperlink will still fetch it and not show the tip |
| 09:52.56 | mitch0 | zeksie: will it be fetched by the end of the call? |
| 09:53.08 | Zeksie | no, you need a response from server |
| 09:53.08 | dafire | cool.. google develops "adsense for games" .. |
| 09:53.09 | Arrowmaster | you have to setowner it afaik |
| 09:53.15 | mitch0 | when can I first safely use the itemlink? |
| 09:53.24 | Zeksie | Arrowmaster: no. done it before. u don't have to |
| 09:53.25 | Arrowmaster | should be anytime |
| 09:53.30 | Zeksie | it just won't show, which is the intention |
| 09:53.36 | Zeksie | and saves creating a new frame |
| 09:53.43 | mitch0 | how do I get the notification that it arrived? |
| 09:53.45 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: i remember when they changed it and if you didnt it broke |
| 09:54.08 | Zeksie | it broke if you used the wrong parent on SetOwner, but i'm talking about not using SetOwner at all |
| 09:54.29 | Arrowmaster | ~api GameTooltip |
| 09:54.30 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip |
| 09:54.36 | Arrowmaster | bah |
| 09:54.41 | Arrowmaster | !api GameTooltip |
| 09:54.42 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GameTooltip'. |
| 09:54.45 | Zeksie | heh |
| 09:54.55 | Arrowmaster | boo i wanted the wowprogramming link |
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| 09:55.39 | charon | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip ? |
| 09:55.47 | Arrowmaster | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip |
| 09:55.58 | Arrowmaster | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnTooltipSetItem |
| 09:56.23 | Arrowmaster | but you probably dont even need to check then if the item made it into your cache |
| 09:56.23 | mitch0 | arrow: thanks |
| 09:56.41 | mitch0 | it's already in my cache |
| 09:57.10 | Arrowmaster | then you dont even need to run the tooltip:SetHyperlink() |
| 09:57.11 | mitch0 | hm, actually, I might need that |
| 09:57.25 | mitch0 | arrow: I need to make sure the server also has it |
| 09:57.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah you request it once |
| 09:57.53 | Arrowmaster | if you never get it in your cache then the server doesnt have it |
| 09:57.54 | mitch0 | with setHiperlink? |
| 09:57.57 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:58.01 | Arrowmaster | with the itemlink |
| 09:58.09 | mitch0 | but if I already have it? |
| 09:58.16 | mitch0 | request it anyway? |
| 09:58.19 | Arrowmaster | then dont call sethyperlink |
| 09:58.21 | Arrowmaster | nah |
| 09:58.29 | mitch0 | but then how do I know the server has it? |
| 09:58.43 | mitch0 | I call IsItemInRange() with that itemlink later |
| 09:58.43 | Arrowmaster | why would you need to know that? |
| 09:58.59 | mitch0 | if the server doesn't have it, I think it'll bork |
| 09:59.05 | Arrowmaster | no it wont |
| 09:59.11 | Zeksie | that's something you need to validate yourself, and either use it or not. |
| 09:59.13 | mitch0 | (as it happens with linking it on chat) |
| 09:59.28 | Zeksie | not much point keep trying to use a bad link |
| 09:59.44 | Arrowmaster | theres no way at all to tell if the server has it other than trying to link it in chat |
| 10:00.03 | mitch0 | arrow: but I need a way to make the server have it :) |
| 10:00.07 | Arrowmaster | you cant |
| 10:00.10 | Arrowmaster | and you shouldnt need it |
| 10:00.10 | mitch0 | gah |
| 10:00.23 | mitch0 | why not? |
| 10:00.30 | Arrowmaster | because everything uses the cache |
| 10:00.37 | mitch0 | you remember what I'm trying to achieve, right? |
| 10:00.44 | Arrowmaster | yes check distance |
| 10:00.47 | mitch0 | yep |
| 10:00.49 | Arrowmaster | your forgetting this is an mmo |
| 10:00.54 | Arrowmaster | the client does everything |
| 10:01.17 | mitch0 | huh? |
| 10:01.25 | Arrowmaster | everything is client side |
| 10:01.34 | mitch0 | that can't be true :) |
| 10:01.37 | Arrowmaster | otherwise they wouldnt have servers powerful enough to host the game |
| 10:01.42 | Fisker- | coughs virii on Arrowmaster |
| 10:01.58 | Arrowmaster | not 'everything' |
| 10:02.09 | mitch0 | I can accept that IsItemInRange() is client side though, but I'd like to be sure... |
| 10:02.11 | Arrowmaster | but all movement and range checking and such |
| 10:03.26 | Zeksie | IsItemInrange() is client side. and it'll tell you yes/no. Then you try and cast said spell, and the server will validate it. You'll get a spellcast_sent event, but not necessarily a spellcast_start event |
| 10:03.51 | mitch0 | ok, so if I want to be extra super, so that my addon would work with fresh installs and such, I would populate my cache by forging itemlinks based on itemid list, calling the tooltip thing to populate the cache, then later check my cache with GetItemInfo (just to be safe, in case an item gets removed from the game) |
| 10:04.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:04.21 | Zeksie | mitch0: you know you can just use numeric item IDs directly in IsItemInRange ? |
| 10:04.34 | Arrowmaster | he is i think |
| 10:04.38 | mitch0 | zeksie: I think I tried that and it didn't work |
| 10:04.38 | Xinhuan | mitch0: why don't you TEST it |
| 10:04.43 | Arrowmaster | but the item still needs to be in the cache |
| 10:04.43 | Zeksie | it does work |
| 10:04.44 | Xinhuan | instead of asking and asking |
| 10:04.47 | Zeksie | i just tried it |
| 10:04.52 | mitch0 | hm. |
| 10:05.05 | mitch0 | oh, yeah, I mixed it up, I tried it with spells... |
| 10:05.20 | mitch0 | but then the API doc should be updated :( |
| 10:05.27 | Arrowmaster | update it |
| 10:05.32 | mitch0 | will do |
| 10:05.35 | Zeksie | yes, the local cache would still need it, but i would wager that using an item ID would bypass any link validation if there still is any |
| 10:05.35 | Arrowmaster | both wowprogramming and wowwiki are wikis |
| 10:05.49 | mitch0 | xin: I'm asking because these things can't be tested reliably... |
| 10:05.55 | Zeksie | but that's just a guess |
| 10:05.56 | Arrowmaster | there isnt, it will just get the id anyway and use that |
| 10:06.46 | Arrowmaster | mitch0: with :SetHyperlink() you can just use "item:#####" |
| 10:06.52 | Xinhuan | No repository found in 'svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/lib-shared-media-3-0/mainline/trunk/LibSharedMedia-3.0' |
| 10:06.55 | Xinhuan | hmm what's the right address |
| 10:07.02 | Arrowmaster | remove the -'s |
| 10:07.06 | Arrowmaster | except teh last 2 |
| 10:07.06 | mitch0 | libsharedmedia-3-0 |
| 10:07.26 | Arrowmaster | and i want to nuke that final LibSharedMedia-3.0 crap |
| 10:07.42 | mitch0 | arrow: ? |
| 10:07.43 | Xinhuan | what crap? |
| 10:07.58 | Arrowmaster | in the library repos, some have extra folders |
| 10:08.12 | Xinhuan | such as? |
| 10:08.20 | Arrowmaster | LibSharedMedia-3.0 |
| 10:09.34 | Repo | 10omen-threat-meter: 03Xinhuan 06wrath 07master * 7f32140 / (5 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Add LibSharedMedia-3.0. |
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| 10:10.57 | Xinhuan | heh, now Repo reports the branch name as well? |
| 10:11.07 | Arrowmaster | it reports lots of stuff |
| 10:11.12 | Xinhuan | and the number of commits pushed |
| 10:11.20 | Xinhuan | it didn't do that yesterday |
| 10:11.21 | Arrowmaster | or the number of commits removed |
| 10:11.23 | mitch0 | gah, can't save the edits for some reason on wowwiki :( |
| 10:11.42 | Arrowmaster | bah the forums are forgetting what ive already read |
| 10:11.46 | charon | Xinhuan: that's mostly my fault, so if you have ideas for better formatting, shoot |
| 10:11.58 | Xinhuan | what charon? |
| 10:11.58 | charon | (and nev's for complaining that my proposed format was way too terse) |
| 10:12.12 | charon | git hook changes since yesterday |
| 10:12.18 | Xinhuan | what changed? |
| 10:12.28 | Arrowmaster | probably the entire git hook |
| 10:12.41 | charon | lots. for starters, it doesn't list all commits leading up to a new tag any more |
| 10:12.56 | Xinhuan | so the hook change only concerns |
| 10:13.00 | Xinhuan | how Repo reports stuff? |
| 10:13.08 | charon | yes |
| 10:13.15 | Xinhuan | k, then i don't need to care much |
| 10:13.37 | charon | though i still want to do the utf8 verification thing |
| 10:14.02 | Arrowmaster | charon: yes please |
| 10:14.24 | Arrowmaster | charon: the script responsible for that little mixup isnt in any of the repos they opened right? |
| 10:14.38 | Arrowmaster | since it was the packager |
| 10:14.45 | charon | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge-packager/ ? |
| 10:14.57 | Arrowmaster | oh damn |
| 10:15.12 | charon | i haven't looked at that yet, however |
| 10:15.15 | Arrowmaster | haha at the tickets |
| 10:16.01 | dafire | ok now i need mercurial also .9 |
| 10:16.12 | Arrowmaster | only if you want to commit |
| 10:16.22 | Arrowmaster | just goto the public url if you want to view it |
| 10:16.34 | dafire | ah .9 |
| 10:16.54 | dafire | is that standard mercurial stuff ? .9 |
| 10:16.56 | Arrowmaster | charon: did ckk fix it 16 hours ago? |
| 10:17.01 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 10:17.17 | Arrowmaster | it looks a lot like gitweb and mercurial has copied a lot from git |
| 10:17.19 | Fisker- | beats Xinhuan |
| 10:17.21 | charon | Arrowmaster: the encoding thing? i haven't checked, but he said it was fixed when i asked yesterday |
| 10:17.29 | Arrowmaster | http://hg.curseforge.net/www/curseforge-packager/mainline/rev/433e908902d1 |
| 10:17.45 | charon | meh |
| 10:17.54 | charon | that's more like a band-aid in my terminology |
| 10:18.02 | charon | the packager needs to keep its nose out of the file contents, period |
| 10:19.31 | Arrowmaster | what if somebody wants to use UTF-32 text files for something? |
| 10:20.17 | charon | then it's their own damn fault if a byte sequence (!) in the file exactly matches something that the packager looks for, _and_ they have the substitution enabled |
| 10:20.31 | Fisker- | i'm gonna hit you in the face with UTF-32 files >:3 |
| 10:20.36 | Arrowmaster | theres no 'enabled' |
| 10:20.41 | Arrowmaster | its always on |
| 10:21.03 | charon | file a feature request, it should be configurable imho |
| 10:22.10 | charon | there's no way to tell utf-32 from (garbage) latin1 anyway, so it really needs to be encoding agnostic |
| 10:22.26 | charon | unless we require users to specify their encodings and validate them *shrug* |
| 10:22.41 | Arrowmaster | actually utf-32 has a bom |
| 10:22.43 | charon | (or maybe there is, given that unicode only covers 20ish bits) |
| 10:22.56 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 10:23.02 | Arrowmaster | i know utf-16 does |
| 10:23.07 | charon | it does, but it's still only a heuristic |
| 10:23.15 | Repo | 10consensus: 03Hindrian * r3 / (61 files in 15 directories): First shell |
| 10:23.22 | charon | why shouldn't a latin-1 encoded file start with FF FE 00 00? |
| 10:23.43 | charon | or for that matter EF BB BF |
| 10:24.22 | Gnarfoz | funny how googling 'ef bb bf' points me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_Order_Mark :D |
| 10:24.59 | Fisker- | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:25.06 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about paladins |
| 10:25.09 | Fisker- | /wrists |
| 10:25.37 | Gnarfoz | yep. |
| 10:26.11 | Repo | 10consensus: 03Hindrian 04v0.1 * r4 : First test |
| 10:26.27 | Xinhuan | i will invent utf-64 to confuse everyone |
| 10:26.31 | Arrowmaster | charon: that bandaid fix doesnt even do anything really for the first part since that string only showed up after the file was parsed and fucked up by the packager |
| 10:26.56 | Arrowmaster | utf-8 is > * anyway |
| 10:27.24 | Arrowmaster | except maybe if your from asia i guess |
| 10:27.55 | Arrowmaster | since all the CJK characters are 3 bytes atleast in utf-8 but 2 bytes in utf-16 |
| 10:28.43 | mitch0 | what's this thing the packager substitutes? |
| 10:29.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/repository-keyword-substitutions/ |
| 10:29.26 | Fisker- | oh really Xinhuan ? |
| 10:29.34 | Fisker- | Then i'll invent UTF-..360! |
| 10:30.04 | Xinhuan | yes, lets have UTF wars! |
| 10:30.26 | Xinhuan | anyone knows where darkmoon faire is located this month? |
| 10:30.35 | Fisker- | in your mom lolol |
| 10:30.57 | Fisker- | Mulgore |
| 10:32.21 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 10:32.36 | Fisker- | new patch data |
| 10:32.49 | Fisker- | 1.5GB now |
| 10:34.04 | Xinhuan | only 1.1gb here |
| 10:34.05 | digmouse | I WANT HAND OF ADAL!!!! |
| 10:34.13 | digmouse | :( |
| 10:34.21 | Fisker- | Xinhuan it's because of localization |
| 10:34.30 | Fisker- | Replacing color with colour = 0.4GB |
| 10:34.33 | cladhaire | lol |
| 10:34.36 | Xinhuan | shouldn't be that much difference |
| 10:34.41 | Fisker- | but it is |
| 10:34.54 | digmouse | enGB contains all languages |
| 10:34.58 | Fisker- | fail |
| 10:34.59 | digmouse | dont know why |
| 10:35.04 | Fisker- | beats up blizzard |
| 10:35.06 | mitch0 | damn, still can't save my edits on wowwiki... anyone care to check if it's b0rked or it's some local problem here? |
| 10:35.13 | Arrowmaster | digmouse: because it has to |
| 10:35.18 | Fisker- | what page mitch0 ? |
| 10:35.26 | digmouse | but why enGB? |
| 10:35.37 | Arrowmaster | all EU patches are the same |
| 10:35.44 | Fisker- | Actually |
| 10:35.48 | Arrowmaster | they all contain all the EU languages |
| 10:35.50 | Fisker- | since they've made the item link spoofing |
| 10:35.50 | mitch0 | fisker: API_IsItemInRange |
| 10:35.53 | Fisker- | impossable |
| 10:35.59 | digmouse | but... enGB even contains zhCN and zhTW |
| 10:36.03 | Fisker- | Then we can't trust that the item names are what they should be |
| 10:36.05 | Arrowmaster | because if you install language packs, those language packs need to be updated when you patch |
| 10:36.18 | digmouse | beta patch 9061 enUS is 6MB and enGB is 12MB |
| 10:36.19 | Arrowmaster | digmouse: are you sure? |
| 10:36.26 | Fisker- | Wikia is sadly having problems. Our backend servers are not responding. We are working to fix it as soon as possible. |
| 10:36.31 | Fisker- | Guessing that's related |
| 10:36.31 | Fisker- | :P |
| 10:36.37 | digmouse | contains languages including all EU language and zhCN/TW |
| 10:36.42 | mitch0 | fisker: :) |
| 10:36.44 | Arrowmaster | didnt realize that |
| 10:36.53 | Arrowmaster | is that for live patches too? |
| 10:37.42 | digmouse | Arrowmaster: pretty sure, I got friends digging language data from enGB patches since 86xx |
| 10:37.51 | mitch0 | arrow: is it possible to mark a file for not-inclusion in the -nolib version (some .pkgmeta thing, or somesuch) |
| 10:38.05 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 10:38.14 | mitch0 | arrow: or is embeds.xml automagically omitted? |
| 10:38.18 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:38.20 | Xinhuan | not automatic |
| 10:38.30 | Arrowmaster | look at http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/repository-keyword-substitutions/ |
| 10:38.31 | Xinhuan | i removed embeds.xml from omen (wrath one) |
| 10:38.32 | Arrowmaster | the bottem |
| 10:38.41 | Xinhuan | and just moved the entire contents into the TOC |
| 10:38.45 | Xinhuan | with no-lib-strips |
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| 10:39.03 | mitch0 | arrow: yeah, just read that. that's why I asked about the embeds.xml thing |
| 10:39.20 | Xinhuan | one less file to load = faster loading! |
| 10:39.27 | Zeksie | vote! |
| 10:39.31 | mitch0 | so basically, we should remove embeds.xml and include the files manually from TOC surrounded with that thing, right? |
| 10:39.50 | Xinhuan | ya, that, or just nolibstrip embeds.xml in the toc |
| 10:39.51 | Arrowmaster | charon: does python have some mime magic stuff to tell binary files from text files? |
| 10:40.11 | Arrowmaster | or you can add the nolib stuff to the embeds.xml |
| 10:40.16 | Arrowmaster | its however you want to do it |
| 10:40.33 | mitch0 | too many options... |
| 10:40.36 | mitch0 | can't decide :) |
| 10:40.50 | mitch0 | (but less files is good, so probly xin's version is the best) |
| 10:41.07 | Xinhuan | i'm still opposed to forcefully embedding libstub/cbh everywhere |
| 10:41.07 | Fisker- | So patch next week is going to be awsum |
| 10:41.23 | mitch0 | I didn't like embeds.xml anywah ;) |
| 10:41.25 | Xinhuan | 50 libstubs loaded is 49 files too much |
| 10:42.11 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: except... not. |
| 10:42.20 | mitch0 | find . -name LibStub.lua -exec rm "{}" \; :) |
| 10:42.25 | mitch0 | after every update |
| 10:42.35 | Xinhuan | that doesn't stop wow from trying to load them |
| 10:42.40 | Xinhuan | and the os returning file not file! |
| 10:42.41 | mitch0 | (exclude the real libstub though ;) |
| 10:43.03 | Zeksie | no.. what about modules.xml.. can't assume everyone's gonna be using packaged zips, someone's gonna use svn. But I want the modules.xml line always removed from packaged tocs. Don't see anything on that page for that. |
| 10:43.09 | dafire | my update script reads all tocs and comments out non existing files :) |
| 10:43.46 | dafire | someone posted the py code for it in the wowace forums some years ago |
| 10:44.00 | Zeksie | or was there something in pkgmeta for exluding.. will go read that |
| 10:44.02 | Xinhuan | you'll just have to leave that in |
| 10:44.06 | Xinhuan | i think |
| 10:44.07 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 10:44.17 | Adirelle|work | Zeksie: there is nothing to do it in TOC |
| 10:44.31 | Zeksie | bleh. ok ;) |
| 10:44.38 | Adirelle|work | Zeksie: but you can just use <!--@debug--> and <!--@end-debug--> in the modules.xml file itself |
| 10:44.47 | Zeksie | can tell it to ignore the modules.xml file i guess |
| 10:44.58 | Adirelle|work | yes |
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| 10:47.00 | Zeksie | things in ignore need that '-' prefix? |
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| 10:47.53 | Zeksie | odd inconsistancy of syntax from externals/move-folders to ignore/dependancies |
| 10:48.13 | dafire | no |
| 10:48.18 | dafire | ignore is a list |
| 10:48.22 | dafire | externals is a dict |
| 10:48.26 | dafire | it's yaml |
| 10:48.36 | Arrowmaster | its on wikipedia! |
| 10:49.14 | dafire | http://www.yaml.de/en/home.html |
| 10:49.14 | Zeksie | i'll pretend i know what you mean and just do it |
| 10:49.46 | Arrowmaster | actually the wikipedia page is perty good |
| 10:49.55 | dafire | oh |
| 10:50.02 | dafire | my link was bad .9 |
| 10:50.15 | dafire | who names his project after a file standart .9 |
| 10:50.25 | cladhaire | standard |
| 10:50.35 | dafire | whadever :) |
| 10:50.53 | Zeksie | would be useful if the pkgmeta would have something like ignore_nolib: to only ignore files in nolib packages |
| 10:50.57 | dafire | and why is that in your ping list cladhaire ? :) |
| 10:50.59 | cladhaire | standart is the one misspelling that really kills me |
| 10:51.00 | cladhaire | its not |
| 10:51.02 | cladhaire | but it should be :P |
| 10:51.12 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: why? |
| 10:51.17 | Zeksie | why not? |
| 10:51.19 | Fisker- | lol |
| 10:51.24 | Fisker- | well played Deep Silver |
| 10:51.35 | Fisker- | They're advertising for the Warhammer RTS |
| 10:51.48 | Fisker- | Thought it was an ad for the MMO :P |
| 10:51.56 | Zeksie | however small an amount, 50 bytes less over 5million downloads will add up. ;) |
| 10:52.15 | dafire | gitX looks promising |
| 10:52.22 | Repo | 10fdlogger: 038tImER 041.0 * r26 : Tagging as 1.0 |
| 10:52.22 | Arrowmaster | ok what do you want to ignore in your nolib? |
| 10:52.32 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 10:52.32 | Zeksie | embeds.xml mostly |
| 10:52.39 | Gnarfoz | I want my accoutn renamed :( |
| 10:52.54 | Zeksie | pointless file when embeds.xml is being commented out in toc |
| 10:53.20 | Xinhuan | remove the embeds.xml file and throw its entire contents in the toc |
| 10:53.43 | Zeksie | mm |
| 10:53.44 | Xinhuan | there's no purpose to that file anymore |
| 10:53.46 | dafire | embeds.xml was only a file for the old wowace packager |
| 10:53.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah youll actually save more bytes that way |
| 10:53.53 | dafire | it's not needed anymore |
| 10:54.00 | Xinhuan | only the old packager used it, yeah |
| 10:54.07 | Zeksie | yeah. spose. cos that was for WAU.. gotcha |
| 10:54.13 | mitch0 | xin: what will the .toc contain in the case of a normal checkout? will it be good for -nolib or -lib setup? (I know, I can re-read the page, and probably would understand :) |
| 10:54.29 | Xinhuan | a checkout would contain a nolib setup without the nolib parts commented out |
| 10:54.42 | Xinhuan | i.e it will try to load as though it has libs embedded |
| 10:54.45 | mitch0 | that's kinda awkward, isn't it? |
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| 10:54.49 | Xinhuan | not really |
| 10:54.57 | Gnarfoz | no it's actually sane, imho |
| 10:54.58 | Gnarfoz | :> |
| 10:54.59 | Xinhuan | just throws a lot of errors into FrameXML.log about missing files |
| 10:55.13 | mitch0 | yeah, but wouldn't it be nicer if it wouldn't? :) |
| 10:55.20 | sb|work | meh |
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| 10:55.26 | sb|work | i want to have some wws alternative :( |
| 10:55.27 | Xinhuan | wouldn't that be asking for too much ;p |
| 10:55.29 | Arrowmaster | why dont you test it |
| 10:55.33 | mitch0 | no |
| 10:55.35 | Gnarfoz | who cares about the 3 people who check out themselves and use working copies for actual playing? |
| 10:55.36 | sb|work | but i think i dont have enough time to code one ;) |
| 10:55.42 | Arrowmaster | maybe it will automaticly uncommet the line for the normal version |
| 10:55.57 | Gnarfoz | it's not like the entire .svn stuff isn't hugely blowing up the number of files in the addon dir |
| 10:56.02 | mitch0 | arrow: that would be cool |
| 10:56.04 | Gnarfoz | sb|work: statiscl? |
| 10:56.04 | dafire | sb: then develop one .) |
| 10:56.06 | Arrowmaster | i need to sleep |
| 10:56.12 | sb|work | Gnarfoz: to slow :( |
| 10:56.17 | mitch0 | arrow: although then we'd need a way to _really_ comment out a line :) |
| 10:56.19 | mitch0 | like ## |
| 10:56.33 | Gnarfoz | sb|work: that's what *you* say, anyway :p |
| 10:56.41 | Arrowmaster | which leads me to believe it doesnt do that |
| 10:56.44 | sb|work | Gnarfoz: wws 10s, statiscl 2 minutes :p |
| 10:56.57 | Gnarfoz | uhm who cares? you only do it once. |
| 10:57.12 | sb|work | once for every raid, so ~every day :p |
| 10:57.19 | Gnarfoz | also, you didn't share your machine specs the last time I asked, I bet wws has beefy systems these dais |
| 10:57.22 | Gnarfoz | *days |
| 10:57.33 | sb|work | mh, wws parsing is local |
| 10:57.33 | Arrowmaster | it has to |
| 10:57.36 | sb|work | on your system |
| 10:57.37 | Arrowmaster | it uses jsp |
| 10:57.45 | Gnarfoz | sb|work: uhm? regardless. |
| 10:57.49 | Arrowmaster | think of all the wasted cpu cycles on that |
| 10:57.54 | Gnarfoz | it's absolutely irrelevant where the parsing takes place ^^ |
| 10:58.02 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: that's only for the front end |
| 10:58.13 | Arrowmaster | the entire thing is in jsp |
| 10:58.18 | Gnarfoz | no? |
| 10:58.21 | Arrowmaster | yes? |
| 10:58.22 | Gnarfoz | the client does the parsing |
| 10:58.27 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 10:58.33 | Gnarfoz | yes it does ;D |
| 10:58.41 | Arrowmaster | not the splitting and anilizing |
| 10:58.43 | Gnarfoz | what do you think it wastes its time on, then? |
| 10:59.18 | dafire | splitting is server side |
| 10:59.19 | vapid | it 'wastes its time' cleaning up the combat log, removing things that aren't related to the data it is going to parse? |
| 10:59.22 | Arrowmaster | i dont know ive never actually uploaded to wws, others have always done it for me |
| 10:59.23 | Zeksie | does #LoadManagers in toc actually benefit anything? |
| 10:59.34 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:59.39 | dafire | it benefits load managers |
| 10:59.45 | Xinhuan | Gnarfoz: the WWS client reads the combatlog and compresses it into its own smaller format, such as replacing every player's name/GUID with a 2 digit token |
| 10:59.58 | Zeksie | not helping.. |
| 11:00.07 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: are you using it? |
| 11:00.19 | Xinhuan | it also builds tables of indexes |
| 11:00.20 | dafire | it sets load on demand if the addon is there and always load if the load manager is not there |
| 11:00.21 | Zeksie | well. i came accross some uses of of by a few addons and was asking. |
| 11:00.37 | Xinhuan | you know spellID 12345 is "spellX", you don't need to upload both of those |
| 11:00.39 | Arrowmaster | you have to have an addon listed in it for it to do anything |
| 11:00.47 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: so basically, sb doesn't know what he's talking about (as do I) and he is comparing apples to oranges? :> |
| 11:00.55 | Xinhuan | you just need to upload "12" and make sure the client knows "12" refers to spellID 12345 |
| 11:01.02 | Zeksie | i don't see why that's different to a dependancy from what you said. |
| 11:01.17 | Arrowmaster | like i said, it doesnt do any real parsing on the client, its all server side |
| 11:01.24 | Xinhuan | in any case, the wws client just does compression, not parsing |
| 11:01.30 | Xinhuan | the only thing it parses is the date stamp |
| 11:01.33 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: im too tired to explain right now |
| 11:01.36 | Xinhuan | to ensure its not a multi-day combat log |
| 11:01.39 | dafire | Zeksie: in a dependecy the addon is always loaded |
| 11:01.58 | dafire | with loadmanager the loadmanager addon can decide if and when the addon should be loaded |
| 11:02.16 | Arrowmaster | aka when the loadmanager is present the addon becomes LoD |
| 11:02.34 | Zeksie | ok. got it. |
| 11:02.41 | Xinhuan | an addon marked with ## LoadManager: addonA, becomes LoD if and only if addonA is present |
| 11:02.48 | dafire | it is a "if the loadmanager addon is present then don't load my addon because the loadmanager will do it at some time" |
| 11:02.52 | Arrowmaster | and enabled and loaded |
| 11:02.56 | Xinhuan | addonA can then read the TOC metadata to determine when to LoadAddOn() the addon |
| 11:03.11 | Xinhuan | hence, a load manager |
| 11:03.20 | Arrowmaster | or it can have its rules programed into the core |
| 11:03.27 | Arrowmaster | doesnt really matter |
| 11:03.31 | Zeksie | yeah, was wondering if i should use for ZOMG. I don't cos it always manually loads things anyway, and they're lod regardless and won't work without the core |
| 11:03.33 | Xinhuan | an auction related addon, could then just load only when you visit the AH (AUCTION_OPEN) event or something |
| 11:03.44 | Xinhuan | and the load manager will handle it |
| 11:03.50 | Arrowmaster | Zeksie: then you dont need to use it |
| 11:03.56 | Zeksie | that's what i said :) |
| 11:04.06 | Xinhuan | for the most part, its for situation addons that deal with a small portion of the UI |
| 11:04.07 | Zeksie | and thx for explaining.. go to bed or something |
| 11:04.23 | Xinhuan | such as mailbox addons, AH addons, etc |
| 11:04.28 | dafire | you might add "AddonLoader" and set delayed load ... that fastens login times for your users :) |
| 11:04.51 | Xinhuan | you can even use load managers for only loading the addon if you are of a certain class |
| 11:05.08 | Arrowmaster | i think ive been up for almost 40 hours, im going to bed |
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| 11:05.37 | dafire | it would be cool if blizzard would add a simple addon loader into wow... with some simple rulesets |
| 11:06.30 | Facktotum | there is one but not as advanced |
| 11:07.00 | Facktotum | do you mean in-game ? |
| 11:07.05 | Zeksie | heh.. every time that authenticator box pops up i think 'wtf'... |
| 11:07.48 | Gnarfoz | <3 authenticator |
| 11:08.07 | Zeksie | yeah. needed to protect my goldz :) |
| 11:11.34 | Gnarfoz | crap |
| 11:11.55 | Gnarfoz | did I manage to destroy my svn history when I merged ItemRackFu? :( |
| 11:12.19 | Fisker- | Why are you so bald Gnarfoz ? |
| 11:12.25 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 11:13.26 | Repo | 10spell-reminder: 03oridan * r176 / (2 files in 1 directory): SpellReminder: |
| 11:13.26 | Repo | - ADDED: option to announce to say/yell/party/raid when spell is ending/ended |
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| 11:14.49 | Fisker- | http://kotaku.com/5060406/finally-we-can-buy-games-from-youtube <-why so fail? |
| 11:18.11 | Chompers | quiet Fisker- |
| 11:18.15 | Chompers | back in your cage |
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| 11:26.19 | Repo | 10zomgbuffs: 03Zeksie * r9 / (3 files in 1 directory): ZOMGBuffs: |
| 11:26.20 | Repo | - Removed embeds.xml and put embeds into TOC in #@nolib-strip@ section. |
| 11:26.20 | Repo | - pkgmeta updated to exclude modules.xml. |
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| 11:34.20 | digmouse | throws Fisker- back to his cage |
| 11:34.54 | Adys | has anyone ever setup a graphic diff software for svn? something like http://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git//wine.git?a=commitdiff;h=e20ef5013992e8b6671a238aabe3c962a589c51b |
| 11:36.12 | Xinhuan | yes, its was called FishEye ? |
| 11:36.20 | Xinhuan | for wowace |
| 11:36.20 | cladhaire | or WebSVN |
| 11:36.24 | cladhaire | or SVN::Web |
| 11:36.35 | Repo | 10spell-reminder: 03oridan * r177 locale/enUS.lua: SpellReminder: |
| 11:36.36 | Repo | - forgot the locale file updates |
| 11:37.02 | Adys | awesome cladhaire |
| 11:37.50 | Gnarfoz | sooo the current URL to embed Ace2 stuff is svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/ace2/mainline/trunk/<whatever> ? |
| 11:37.59 | sb|work | mh okay - i think i will develop some frontend to statiscl (compression, parsing, uploading, hosting) then :p |
| 11:38.56 | charon | Arrowmaster: sorry, i was out for lunch. mime magic in what way? autodetection? |
| 11:38.56 | Gnarfoz | I thought you were busy? ;p |
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| 11:43.31 | Fisker- | escapes from the cage |
| 11:43.50 | Fisker- | doesn't like captivity |
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| 11:45.15 | Fisker- | may just shred the person responsible into pieces |
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| 11:55.28 | Hjalte | Meh, anyone else getting stuck on connected just now on european servers? |
| 11:55.51 | Hjalte | nvm, it solved itself. |
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| 12:02.07 | Pneumatus | hmm, another 548Mb on background downloader |
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| 12:06.17 | Fisker- | old news! |
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| 12:10.36 | Pneumatus | i was asleep, sorry! |
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| 12:11.24 | Fisker- | HOLY SHIT |
| 12:11.44 | Fisker- | Someone says that Blizzard should fix bots because of their flawed code |
| 12:11.47 | [SW]Dodge | haha, farming runecloth |
| 12:11.48 | [SW]Dodge | [14:10:51] You receive loot: [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Crusader]. |
| 12:11.48 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 12:11.51 | Fisker- | Yes cause bots are the product of FLAWED CODE |
| 12:12.07 | Fisker- | btw [SW]Dodge |
| 12:12.23 | Fisker- | Was doing a quest in hearthglen on my paladin which were enchanter |
| 12:12.43 | Fisker- | I got dismounted and aggroed one of the mages |
| 12:12.49 | Fisker- | Killed the mage and looted crusader >:3 |
| 12:12.59 | [SW]Dodge | lol lucker :> |
| 12:13.34 | [SW]Dodge | i didnt even know that they drop crusader :D |
| 12:14.08 | Lukian | My housemate is making wow comics, does anyone have ideas / punchlines they'd like to see? :) |
| 12:14.12 | Repo | 10itemrackfu: 038tImER * r8 / (8 files in 1 directory): |
| 12:14.13 | Repo | - re-import because, apparently, I'm stupid and chose not to merge the wowace svn but empty curseforge one. :( |
| 12:14.14 | Repo | - includes changes for the new wowace |
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| 12:19.25 | phyber | is LibFuBarPlugin-3.0 compatible with FuBarPlugin-2.0 (like, can i easily switch between them) or is it a completely different beast? |
| 12:19.33 | phyber | I can't find the old wiki which might have answered that for me. |
| 12:19.43 | Xinhuan | they are different |
| 12:19.47 | Gnarfoz | lfbp-3.0 is rock based |
| 12:19.52 | Gnarfoz | lfbp-2.0 is ace2 based |
| 12:20.06 | Gnarfoz | both work with fubar (3.0, the current version) |
| 12:20.17 | phyber | the file mentions rock, but inside it looks like it only needs LibStub. |
| 12:20.23 | Gnarfoz | neither is framework-agnostic, because lfbp-3.0-mod was never finished |
| 12:20.30 | phyber | ahhh |
| 12:21.40 | phyber | oh well, I'm thinking of using those StatBlock/DataBroker things soon anyway. Just as soon as i fund the Unlazy button. :) |
| 12:28.33 | Gnarfoz | I'll do that when I find the 'as usable as fubar' button :> |
| 12:29.41 | phyber | I found that StatBlockCore things stick to each other and i can move them about in a bar like fashion, which was nice. |
| 12:29.54 | sb|work | phyber: use ButtonBin |
| 12:30.30 | phyber | the only thing that was a bit irritating was that there doesn't seem to be a "auto size" option, so if some text in a StatBlock becomes too big it will wrap to two lines at the moment. (at least, i think that's what happens based on what i've seen). |
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| 12:32.03 | phyber | ButtonBin looks cool, putting the border around everything. i was thinking of a small strip at the top of the screen made with Skinner and then dropping my statblocks in that with a transparent background on them. |
| 12:32.08 | Repo | 10dewdroplib: 03Rabbit * r318 Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: Check for SML3, not 1. |
| 12:32.42 | Fisker- | ButtonBin = WinBin |
| 12:32.47 | Fisker- | Except that NeoTron should l2play |
| 12:32.52 | Fisker- | i think |
| 12:32.58 | phyber | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw14809.jpg < i want it to be like in this, really ;) |
| 12:33.17 | Gnarfoz | looks amazingly like fubar. ;D |
| 12:33.23 | Josh_Borke | yea, i think so too! |
| 12:34.12 | sb|work | http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot100308152944vy7.jpg <-- that was/is my first try |
| 12:34.19 | sb|work | and no, its not fubar :p |
| 12:34.42 | Gnarfoz | we aren't saying it is |
| 12:34.48 | phyber | that flower on Gathermate makes the UI look lovely. |
| 12:34.57 | Gnarfoz | just saying that you seem to switch to something that looks the same and does the same |
| 12:35.07 | sb|work | yup |
| 12:35.15 | Gnarfoz | why switch :X |
| 12:35.29 | Gnarfoz | the only difference I see is that it's even further abstracted |
| 12:35.34 | Gnarfoz | which means... more overhead. |
| 12:36.18 | Fisker- | Because the idea behind LDB > FuBar |
| 12:36.45 | Gnarfoz | the idea behind communism was nice, too. |
| 12:36.55 | Josh_Borke | because despite the fact that it is further abstracted it is still simpler in implementation |
| 12:37.09 | sb|work | if you want to support multiple display addons you have to use LDB (or something else) - its not possible with fubar. |
| 12:37.14 | Zeksie | wtb clever sorting on search results... search for FuBar on wowace and try to find the main mod ;) |
| 12:37.19 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz you can't implement anything if that's the excuse every time |
| 12:37.25 | sb|work | and if you want to 'convert' fubar users you need also some fubar-like display ;) |
| 12:37.34 | Fisker- | LDB seperates data and display |
| 12:37.37 | Gnarfoz | I don't want to convert them :X |
| 12:37.40 | Fisker- | Which is an awesum idea |
| 12:37.56 | sb|work | Gnarfoz: so you have to provide fubar AND ldb support in every addon, right? :p |
| 12:37.56 | Gnarfoz | except that *many many* fubar plugins don't even display data |
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| 12:38.06 | Gnarfoz | sb|work: smells like it |
| 12:38.13 | Fisker- | Because you could have a 100 different FuBar-like addons with each their way of displaying the data, but still only one addon to actually do the data |
| 12:39.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but so far, I've seen multiple data addons for the same piece of data, too... |
| 12:40.23 | Josh_Borke | which will always happen |
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| 12:40.36 | vhaarr | Gnarfoz: same thing for fubar |
| 12:40.40 | Josh_Borke | besides, competition makes things better |
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| 12:43.32 | Adirelle|work | actually LDB isn't used only for data display |
| 12:43.35 | Adirelle|work | look at how cork works |
| 12:43.58 | Josh_Borke | LDB has nothing to do with displays :-P |
| 12:44.08 | Josh_Borke | it is abstracted from that |
| 12:44.10 | Adirelle|work | that's the point |
| 12:44.30 | Adirelle|work | it kinda implements a observable-observer scheme |
| 12:46.27 | [SW]Dodge | Adirelle|work: is that good or not?^^ |
| 12:47.07 | Josh_Borke | [SW]Dodge: imo it is good |
| 12:47.13 | Gnarfoz | I don't even know what that is supposed to mean :D |
| 12:47.14 | Cryect | hmm ldb? |
| 12:47.26 | Josh_Borke | [SW]Dodge: for the reason that the user gets to choose how to display information provided by the LDB objects |
| 12:47.43 | [SW]Dodge | okay :) |
| 12:47.44 | Josh_Borke | [SW]Dodge: ie, there is a StatBlocks/Fortress displayer that creates blocks per LDB |
| 12:48.14 | Josh_Borke | [SW]Dodge: but there is also a (or is supposed to be) a bar mod that shows them in a bar like fubar and uses LDB for the information |
| 12:48.28 | Hjalte | Buttonbin does that. Fubar-like display. |
| 12:48.38 | Josh_Borke | ah, that's the mod then :-) |
| 12:49.08 | [SW]Dodge | okay. cool, so LDB seems rly to be a nice thing. :d |
| 12:49.09 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 12:49.28 | Josh_Borke | it's a new thing |
| 12:49.32 | Josh_Borke | new things always seem nice |
| 12:49.34 | Josh_Borke | :-P |
| 12:49.45 | Josh_Borke | fyi, i'm biased because i fought for LDB |
| 12:50.11 | [SW]Dodge | fyi? |
| 12:50.17 | orionshock | ~fyi |
| 12:50.18 | purl | from memory, fyi is For Your Information |
| 12:50.21 | Josh_Borke | for your information |
| 12:50.24 | Josh_Borke | blasted purl |
| 12:50.26 | Josh_Borke | ~lart orionshock |
| 12:50.26 | purl | beats orionshock to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 12:50.35 | orionshock | lol |
| 12:50.36 | [SW]Dodge | ah okay :P |
| 12:50.57 | orionshock | also FYI, LDB has it's drawbacks over LFBP |
| 12:51.25 | orionshock | then again LDB also has some nice things that LFBP dosn't ... |
| 12:51.31 | Gnarfoz | I'm not really convinced of it, yet :< |
| 12:51.42 | Josh_Borke | LDB is nothing without a display addon |
| 12:51.48 | Cryect | Heh I'm not convinced of Fubar but some people seem to like that :-p |
| 12:51.56 | Josh_Borke | where as LFBP embeds a display addon in it |
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| 12:52.25 | Fisker- | ~kiss Josh_Borke |
| 12:52.26 | purl | ACTION forces Josh_Borke to give Movix a big kiss on the lips |
| 12:52.28 | orionshock | i like LFBP because.. i "grew up on it" you could say. So im bias |
| 12:53.33 | [SW]Dodge | well, my idea was using LDB to pass data between addons. 1 that displays the data and X that gather diffrent kinds of info that could be displayed by the first addon^ |
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| 12:53.55 | Josh_Borke | [SW]Dodge: that's exactly what it is designed to do |
| 12:53.57 | Fisker- | I like LDB because i'm hoping for acceptance from Josh_Borke >:E |
| 12:54.06 | Josh_Borke | [SW]Dodge: the LDB only provides data |
| 12:54.07 | Ominous | does anyone know if with the new aura system your buffs/debuffs still appear first in the list? |
| 12:54.15 | Josh_Borke | [SW]Dodge: what you do from there is up to the user |
| 12:54.27 | [SW]Dodge | Josh_Borke: yay :D thats good :) |
| 12:54.30 | Josh_Borke | Fisker-: it'll never happen so you should just stop trying :-P |
| 12:56.36 | Fisker- | :( |
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| 12:57.20 | Adirelle|work | LDB allows to 1) provide data objects 2) get a list of provided data objects and get notified of their changes |
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| 12:57.34 | Adirelle|work | the data objects are "observables" |
| 12:57.45 | Adirelle|work | the addons that uses LDB for 2) are "observers" |
| 12:57.48 | ^_ecO_^ | Hello noobs |
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| 12:58.05 | ^_ecO_^ | Hello noobs |
| 12:58.43 | MurdoO | There is personage Beside êà ãî on official server? |
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| 12:58.57 | Fisker- | why so fail? |
| 12:59.05 | ^_ecO_^ | I'm have mage 70 lvl full a4 |
| 12:59.08 | ^_ecO_^ | 4 Fisker- Ñà Ãÿ? |
| 12:59.10 | ^_ecO_^ | õà õà |
| 12:59.13 | MurdoO | haha |
| 12:59.34 | MurdoO | 4 Fisker- What? |
| 12:59.41 | ^_ecO_^ | 4 Fisker- Ñà Ãÿ òû? |
| 12:59.59 | ^_ecO_^ | I'm have mage 70 lvl full a4 on server wow.gamergrad.ru |
| 13:00.19 | ^_ecO_^ | Who Ãèáóäü wants is changed? |
| 13:00.21 | Cryect | why does your lvl 70 mage have full a4 paper? |
| 13:00.25 | MurdoO | i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk |
| 13:00.29 | MurdoO | òû åãî èï ãëÿÃü |
| 13:00.29 | MurdoO | îÎ |
| 13:00.33 | Fisker- | omgnos |
| 13:00.37 | Fisker- | they can /whois |
| 13:00.38 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:00.53 | Fisker- | t halp meh! |
| 13:00.58 | ^_ecO_^ | 4 Fisker- CAH9I Tbl??? |
| 13:00.58 | MurdoO | ïî÷åìó âà ø 70 ìà ã èìååò ïîëÃóþ à 4 áóìà ãó) |
| 13:01.02 | ^_ecO_^ | Ãó |
| 13:01.03 | ^_ecO_^ | äðîçä |
| 13:01.04 | ^_ecO_^ | ñêà |
| 13:01.04 | MurdoO | 4 ^_ecO_^ õà õà õà æåêà õà õà õ |
| 13:01.05 | ^_ecO_^ | õà õà |
| 13:01.07 | MurdoO | êà êîé ñà Ãÿ |
| 13:01.07 | MurdoO | :) |
| 13:01.08 | ^_ecO_^ | ÿ âèäåë |
| 13:01.09 | ^_ecO_^ | Ãó |
| 13:01.10 | ^_ecO_^ | ôèñêåð |
| 13:01.12 | ^_ecO_^ | åïà Ãà |
| 13:01.12 | MurdoO | òû èï ãëÿü) |
| 13:01.14 | [SW]Dodge | wtf -.- |
| 13:01.15 | ^_ecO_^ | ïîõ |
| 13:01.18 | Tigerdyr | æøå |
| 13:01.20 | Repo | 10classtimer: 03ominous 06ddumonts-wotlk-beta * r274 ClassTimer.lua: Fixed multiple bars appearing in groups |
| 13:01.21 | MurdoO | îÎ |
| 13:01.24 | MurdoO | ðóñêèé |
| 13:01.25 | MurdoO | åï |
| 13:01.28 | MurdoO | 4 Tigerdyr òû îòêóäà ? |
| 13:01.28 | ^_ecO_^ | 4 [SW]Dodge What u say newbie??? |
| 13:01.55 | ^_ecO_^ | õûõû |
| 13:01.56 | [SW]Dodge | i say pewpew :D |
| 13:02.00 | ^_ecO_^ | HAHAHAHA |
| 13:02.03 | ^_ecO_^ | pew pew |
| 13:02.05 | ^_ecO_^ | ïèó ïèó |
| 13:02.06 | ^_ecO_^ | ÕÀÕÀÕ |
| 13:02.10 | ^_ecO_^ | 4 [SW]Dodge Nice)) |
| 13:02.11 | MurdoO | ÷¸? |
| 13:02.17 | SunTsu | .o0( Anybody got the wrong drugs into drinking water? ) |
| 13:02.22 | ^_ecO_^ | 4 [SW]Dodge What is your name?)) |
| 13:02.37 | [SW]Dodge | [SW]Dodge? :) |
| 13:02.42 | MurdoO | 4 SunTsu What? |
| 13:02.43 | Adirelle|work | I don't have the right font, and ever if I had, I think I won't understand |
| 13:03.02 | MurdoO | ß ÃÃ¥ èìåþ øðèôò ïðà âà , è êîãäà -ëèáî åñëè ß èìåë, ß äóìà þ ÌåÃÿ ÃÃ¥ ïîéìåò |
| 13:03.10 | MurdoO | 4 Adirelle|work I have understood |
| 13:03.12 | ^_ecO_^ | 4 [SW]Dodge mmm I'm Evgeniy |
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| 13:03.22 | Adirelle|work | MurdoO, ^_ecO_^ : the language of this channel is : english |
| 13:03.30 | MurdoO | 4 Adirelle|work Yes |
| 13:03.38 | Repo | 10itemrackfu: 038tImER * r9 / (2 files in 1 directory): - touching .pkgmeta |
| 13:03.43 | ^_ecO_^ | ðôðô |
| 13:03.44 | ^_ecO_^ | haha |
| 13:03.45 | ^_ecO_^ | :D |
| 13:03.51 | ^_ecO_^ | Lolki |
| 13:03.53 | ^_ecO_^ | :D |
| 13:04.01 | SunTsu | Adirelle|work: As if trolls cared... |
| 13:04.04 | Josh_Borke | i feel like Fisker- has been cloned |
| 13:04.15 | ^_ecO_^ | Êà ê áóäòî òðîëëè èÃòåðåñîâà ëèñü... |
| 13:04.20 | ^_ecO_^ | \HAHA |
| 13:04.25 | MurdoO | Bbl cyka Mygaku e6y4ue ECJlu He CKa}I{uTe HoMepoK TTu3gaTou 4uku |
| 13:04.28 | ^_ecO_^ | ÿ ÷óâñòâóþ ïîäîáÃî Fisker- êëîÃèðîâà à |
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| 13:04.37 | ^_ecO_^ | XAXAXAX' |
| 13:04.39 | ^_ecO_^ | ;) |
| 13:04.41 | Repo | 10classtimer: 03ominous 06woltk * r267 ClassTimer.lua: Fixed multiple bars appearing in groups |
| 13:04.43 | Gnarfoz | either speak english |
| 13:04.44 | Gnarfoz | or get out |
| 13:04.46 | Gnarfoz | please. |
| 13:04.56 | ^_ecO_^ | OKAY OKAY |
| 13:04.56 | MurdoO | 4 Gnarfoz I speak englist |
| 13:04.58 | MurdoO | 4 Gnarfoz I speak english |
| 13:05.09 | ^_ecO_^ | 4 Gnarfoz Were Not yawned please |
| 13:05.09 | MurdoO | 4 Tem|afk Hello |
| 13:05.26 | Zeksie | didn't we used to have a colour filter here.. |
| 13:05.29 | Adirelle|work | SunTsu: I know, but we have to try at least once |
| 13:05.30 | Megalon | moar culurz |
| 13:05.57 | Gnarfoz | vhaarr is around, I think... |
| 13:06.05 | MurdoO | #Wow |
| 13:06.07 | MurdoO | #Wow |
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| 13:06.08 | *** kick/#wowace [MurdoO!n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr] by vhaarr (vhaarr) |
| 13:06.15 | Zeksie | ty |
| 13:06.15 | *** mode/#wowace [+b *!*n=NUser@city26.skala-net.ru] by vhaarr |
| 13:06.15 | *** kick/#wowace [^_ecO_^!n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr] by vhaarr (vhaarr) |
| 13:06.19 | Adirelle|work | ty |
| 13:06.23 | Zeksie | x2 |
| 13:06.27 | Gnarfoz | wuv u <3 :) |
| 13:06.33 | EvilJohn | Good Morning everyone. |
| 13:06.34 | Josh_Borke | meh, a little heavy handed if you ask me :-P |
| 13:06.38 | EthanCentaurai | gives vhaarr many cookies |
| 13:06.43 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 13:06.53 | vhaarr | EthanCentaurai: thanks but I have pizza incoming! |
| 13:06.54 | Zeksie | beheading's too good for em! |
| 13:07.02 | Fisker- | steals the pizza |
| 13:07.04 | EvilJohn | what's on the pizza? |
| 13:07.16 | EthanCentaurai | save the cookies for later then :) |
| 13:07.28 | EvilJohn | I'm always curious about what people like on their pizza... |
| 13:07.35 | vhaarr | minced meat, pepperoni, pineapple, tiger sauce and spring onions |
| 13:07.45 | vhaarr | oh |
| 13:07.47 | vhaarr | and kreole spices |
| 13:07.52 | vhaarr | and pepper |
| 13:07.56 | Fisker- | returns the pizza |
| 13:08.00 | EthanCentaurai | and a kitchen sink |
| 13:08.01 | vhaarr | haha |
| 13:08.04 | [SW]Dodge | lol @ Fisker- |
| 13:08.19 | vhaarr | EthanCentaurai: pff 3 of the things I mentioned, tiger sauce, kreole and pepper are not even condiments |
| 13:08.21 | EvilJohn | that soudns interesting |
| 13:08.32 | vhaarr | meat+pepperoni+pineapple+spring onion |
| 13:08.35 | vhaarr | 4 ingredients |
| 13:08.36 | EvilJohn | i pineapple on pizza |
| 13:08.41 | vhaarr | that's not a kitchen sink pizza |
| 13:09.15 | Gnarfoz | it's a delicious one. |
| 13:09.30 | vhaarr | EthanCentaurai: err, s/not even/just/ |
| 13:09.39 | Gnarfoz | Ominous: you do realize you misspelled wotlk on that branch name? ;D |
| 13:09.55 | Adirelle|work | you have to trust your intestine to eat such spicy pizza |
| 13:10.02 | EthanCentaurai | Wrath of lhe Tich King :D |
| 13:10.44 | Zeksie | so.. someone explain to me in easy terms where my ever so convenient BugSack icon has gone because of this LDB thing... |
| 13:10.54 | EvilJohn | err like, rather |
| 13:11.06 | vhaarr | Zeksie: because ckknight hasn't bothered to include Broker2FuBar in fubar proper |
| 13:11.18 | ckknight | I've been busy |
| 13:11.30 | EthanCentaurai | turns out Arthas is a gnome... the expansion has been renamed to Wrath of the Titch King to reflect this change |
| 13:11.34 | ckknight | if someone cares to hack it into FuBar, I'm not going to stop them |
| 13:11.35 | SunTsu | Last time I checked only a few fubar plugins worked with fubar2broker, did that change? |
| 13:11.44 | Ominous | Gnarfoz: err no |
| 13:11.55 | Ominous | dammit |
| 13:12.02 | Ominous | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.07 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 13:12.17 | vhaarr | ckknight: I might just do that then |
| 13:12.19 | Zeksie | guess i was in a cave when this all happened. |
| 13:12.25 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 13:12.25 | Zeksie | again |
| 13:12.31 | Zeksie | do eet! |
| 13:12.43 | vhaarr | Zeksie: note that the new bugsack is not released and is a trunk development version ;) |
| 13:13.14 | Zeksie | yes. i was already loading hte page to get old one again :) |
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| 13:17.16 | phyber | is there a naming scheme that should be used for addons that just provide LDB data and nothing else? Like if I wrote a BagFu for LDB. LDB_Bag or something? Names like StatBlock_<thingy> seem silly if anything can display it. |
| 13:17.41 | Adirelle|work | they are some Broker_* |
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| 13:17.54 | Adirelle|work | -y +re |
| 13:23.26 | Fisker- | How does the curse client handle developement versions vs. release versions |
| 13:23.28 | Fisker- | if it even does that? |
| 13:23.49 | Adirelle|work | AFAIK, it does not yet |
| 13:24.02 | Adirelle|work | though Kaelten said it should soon(tm) |
| 13:24.32 | Adirelle|work | with a global setting plus per-addon settings to select alpha/beta/release packages |
| 13:25.17 | phyber | Mmm, options to get not release versions, cool. I was wondering about that yesterday :) |
| 13:26.22 | Gnarfoz | oh my |
| 13:26.29 | Gnarfoz | this email was generated "at the behest of" |
| 13:26.31 | Gnarfoz | ;> |
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| 13:28.30 | Repo | 10classtimer: 03ominous 06woltk * r268 Bars/Deathknight.lua: Added some DK timers thats to waallen |
| 13:28.58 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia 06wrath * r88 / (20 files in 2 directories): SimpleMD: initial commit of the wotlk updates |
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| 13:33.09 | Pneumatus | has anyone written a guide to convert from Ace2 to Ace3 yet? |
| 13:34.09 | Xinhuan | no |
| 13:34.14 | Xinhuan | but you can ask many of us ;) |
| 13:38.18 | Repo | 10itemrackfu: 038tImER * r10 / (2 files in 1 directory): - fix externals & version string |
| 13:38.25 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.41 | Gnarfoz | wtb rename |
| 13:41.01 | Adirelle|work | I just got that the packager log output is a "tail" of the logfile |
| 13:41.32 | Adirelle|work | IDK why I thought it was appending entries in reverse order (i.e. newer events entries first) |
| 13:42.38 | Adirelle|work | (erm... actually I know why: it is the way the subversion logs are layed out in the changelog files) |
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| 13:49.19 | yoshimo | i tried to run transcriptor on beta in violet hold (aka blackmorass v2) . the only thing i dont understand is , why the world-part of the transcriptor lua doesnt show the portalopenings. it did for black morass and hyjal on live. |
| 13:50.30 | Pneumatus | is there any reason to use RegisterDefaults() on acedb-3 when you can specify them on the New() call? |
| 13:50.42 | nevcairiel | no |
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| 13:51.45 | Repo | 10prescription: 03Starinnia * r64 / (4 files in 1 directory): Prescription: replace AceHook usage with a chat filter |
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| 14:05.26 | mitch0 | am I here? |
| 14:06.12 | vithos | yes |
| 14:06.32 | mitch0 | good |
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| 14:16.09 | Repo | 10dewdroplib: 03Rabbit * r319 Dewdrop-2.0/Dewdrop-2.0.lua: Fix revision. |
| 14:17.40 | molgar | anyone here had any issues makeing FauxScrollFrameTemplate in addon-studio? i seems to loose buttons or they change position in the xml file, and sudelny no longer displayed |
| 14:17.47 | Fisker- | jumps mitch0 |
| 14:18.01 | Stanzilla | ping Daemona |
| 14:18.13 | Daemona | pong |
| 14:18.23 | Repo | 10closet-gnome: 03Rabbit * r560 ClosetGnome-UI-LDB.lua: Fix LDB set name display, thanks durcyn. |
| 14:18.27 | Stanzilla | what brand are the usb sticks from that media markt special offer? |
| 14:18.35 | Daemona | sandisk |
| 14:18.39 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 14:18.41 | Vulcanus | oh ffs, now I can't get back into the admincp to turn the board back on >_< |
| 14:19.19 | vhaarr | Vulcanus: is it possible to get a "quick reply" box at the bottom of threads? |
| 14:19.28 | Vulcanus | already there |
| 14:19.37 | vhaarr | really, I can't see it |
| 14:19.47 | digmouse | is there a hidden cooldown for Ashtonge exalted trinket? |
| 14:20.08 | digmouse | 45 secs? |
| 14:20.21 | vapid | yes |
| 14:20.30 | Stanzilla | Daemona: curser micro or other ones? |
| 14:20.33 | Stanzilla | *cruzer |
| 14:20.58 | Daemona | i took the trash out an hour ago :X |
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| 14:21.08 | Daemona | gimme a sec, i got a product pic somewhere |
| 14:21.31 | sb|work | Stanzilla: http://mediamarkt.de/multimedia-prospekt/flyer_kw41/pdf/page_5.pdf - there is only one 8gb thingie |
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| 14:21.49 | Daemona | http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showpost.php?p=10275989&postcount=67 |
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| 14:22.20 | Vulcanus | ckknight: you have file access to wowace forums right? |
| 14:22.41 | Vulcanus | that damn curse auth plugin blocked admincp login >_< |
| 14:22.46 | Stanzilla | k thx, got 3 of them now :) |
| 14:22.51 | ckknight | no, actually |
| 14:22.57 | ckknight | Vulcanus: Kaelten should be on later sometime |
| 14:23.04 | Vulcanus | damn |
| 14:23.15 | nevcairiel | Vulcanus: i can login fine to admin cp |
| 14:23.26 | sb|work | Stanzilla: raid 5? :) |
| 14:23.32 | Vulcanus | oh thank fuck, go disable the "Curse Auth Login Start" plugin pleez |
| 14:23.35 | Fisker- | why so german sb|work ? |
| 14:23.38 | Stanzilla | nah, router + pc1 + notebook :P |
| 14:23.48 | nevcairiel | Vulcanus: i however have very limited access :P |
| 14:23.54 | Vulcanus | no plugins? :p |
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| 14:24.25 | nevcairiel | Alert: The forums are currently turned off! |
| 14:24.28 | nevcairiel | is that intended? |
| 14:24.34 | Vulcanus | not anymore >_< |
| 14:24.47 | Vulcanus | but the auth plugin won't let me log back in to the admincp to turn it on again |
| 14:24.56 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 14:25.01 | nevcairiel | must be your fault, i can login :P |
| 14:25.05 | Zeksie | recite after me: i will luac-p BEFORE reloadui because it's so much faster Zek.. |
| 14:25.07 | Fisker- | y u not has db access? |
| 14:25.17 | Vulcanus | Im not a sysadmin lol |
| 14:25.32 | nevcairiel | all i do have is template access |
| 14:25.38 | Vulcanus | bollocks |
| 14:25.38 | nevcairiel | and super-global-moderator :P |
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| 14:25.45 | Vulcanus | give me your computer so I can login from there :p |
| 14:26.08 | nevcairiel | just try another browser |
| 14:26.22 | nevcairiel | or clear all cookie dealys |
| 14:26.35 | mitch0 | yay, got my samsung t200 today, thanks for all that help choosing :) |
| 14:26.40 | Vulcanus | tried ie as well and cookie clearage no work |
| 14:26.43 | Vulcanus | Ill even try chrome |
| 14:27.07 | Stanzilla | that offline message reminds me of the ugly old footer that's in there :P |
| 14:27.18 | Vulcanus | nop I just keep getting delivered to the front page |
| 14:28.06 | nevcairiel | you are broken, then |
| 14:29.13 | Repo | 10coconuts: 03LordFarlander * r77 / (4 files in 2 directories): Coconuts: |
| 14:29.14 | Repo | - Copyright notices |
| 14:29.15 | Repo | - Fix for ticket 1 |
| 14:29.15 | Vulcanus | this is just bloody typical. Here I have a brilliant idea to fix the forums, and boom Im gutted worse than a dolphin at a fish catchers yearly gathering |
| 14:29.35 | nevcairiel | Obviously your fix didnt really work either |
| 14:29.50 | Vulcanus | didn't get a chance to test it, so |
| 14:31.01 | nevcairiel | you could try running it through forums.curseforge.net .. if its still the same base forum |
| 14:31.16 | Vulcanus | that's an idea, dunno if itll work but its an idea |
| 14:31.31 | Vulcanus | nope |
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| 14:31.43 | nevcairiel | I can login fine there and on wowace :P |
| 14:32.06 | Vulcanus | wait what, it randomly worked O.o |
| 14:32.13 | Vulcanus | babies. you. me. now. |
| 14:33.11 | Vulcanus | now testing can commence |
| 14:33.22 | Vulcanus | in 60 seconds if Im logged out from wowace forums, I know Im right |
| 14:34.18 | Vulcanus | timestamp check |
| 14:34.33 | nevcairiel | on what? |
| 14:34.44 | Vulcanus | I know why we keep getting logged out on the forums |
| 14:34.49 | Vulcanus | and Ill apply a band-aid for it now |
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| 14:35.20 | digmouse | woot I really needs more English writing practice |
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| 14:35.51 | mitch0 | indeed :P |
| 14:35.54 | Vulcanus | digmouse: www.icanhascheezburger.com |
| 14:35.55 | Vulcanus | XD |
| 14:36.45 | digmouse | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=103702#post103702 took me a hour to make sure it's not a totally crap |
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| 14:36.59 | Vulcanus | nevcairiel: Basically, the curse auth plugin's login isn't being registered by vBulletin has a "real login" so it instead creates a temporary session for us, instead of the normal behavior of the "remember me" checkbox. Which means, 15 minutes of inactivity = logout. |
| 14:37.00 | digmouse | and may need another hour to writer other pages |
| 14:37.10 | Vulcanus | I have now made it so that it times out the session after 24 hours |
| 14:37.38 | nevcairiel | so i still get logged out once a day? |
| 14:37.44 | nevcairiel | cant you fix it properly? |
| 14:37.53 | nevcairiel | or just provide seperate logins <.< |
| 14:37.54 | Vulcanus | Maybe, I am going to try |
| 14:38.03 | Vulcanus | I wish I could, blame the big suits :p |
| 14:38.36 | Vulcanus | Now that I know what's the sqrt() of all our woes, I can at least get to work fixing it instead of casting Frostbolts in the dark |
| 14:39.03 | nevcairiel | I tried doing combined login of page and forums for my own page soem time ago, and after trying for a while, i just gave up and let users login twice |
| 14:39.06 | nevcairiel | what do i care! |
| 14:39.16 | Vulcanus | XD |
| 14:39.21 | ShaneSveller | digmouse: great so far, and it may actually lead me to try it (macaroon) out |
| 14:39.31 | Vulcanus | I power all my sites by vB so page login = vB login and vice versa ;p |
| 14:39.59 | digmouse | ShaneSveller: :) gladly |
| 14:40.03 | Vulcanus | I wrote the most brilliant "CMS" that uses forum threads in a designated forum as content pages for the website as well, it's wesome |
| 14:40.08 | Vulcanus | awesome even |
| 14:40.46 | nevcairiel | I hate being dependant on some software i didnt write |
| 14:41.01 | nevcairiel | I'm actually in the planning phase for a complete new CMS page right now =P |
| 14:41.10 | ShaneSveller | nevcairiel: do tell |
| 14:41.20 | mitch0 | nev: NIH syndrome? :) |
| 14:41.48 | nevcairiel | nah not really |
| 14:41.53 | nevcairiel | i do use small libraries and stuff |
| 14:42.11 | nevcairiel | I just don't like pre-build full integrated frameworks or even finished CMS |
| 14:42.20 | nevcairiel | I can never get those right |
| 14:42.43 | Vulcanus | nevcairiel: I'm a hard to the core vBulletin fanboi though, plus I own a licence, so I don't really mind writing with it as a backend. Plus, it's so expansive, it can be used for pretty much anything. And if the forum is already vBulletin, why on earth would I make a separate system for querying users and news from the forum? XD |
| 14:43.12 | Gnarfoz | raaaaaaaaaaaarrrgh |
| 14:43.24 | Vulcanus | gnarfozombie |
| 14:43.27 | Gnarfoz | 349/350 weapon skill for the last 2 hours+ |
| 14:43.39 | nevcairiel | Well that page has some special circumstances that makes it hard to use vB with, too |
| 14:43.47 | AckisWork | ~fail Gnarfoz |
| 14:43.48 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Gnarfoz. I hate you because you fail. |
| 14:44.00 | Gnarfoz | AckisWork: no u |
| 14:44.29 | nevcairiel | oh hai preload part2 finally arrived in EU |
| 14:45.32 | Gnarfoz | idd? |
| 14:45.43 | Gnarfoz | nope |
| 14:45.52 | Gnarfoz | Data for the next patch is not available. |
| 14:46.07 | Vulcanus | nev tells tr00f |
| 14:46.11 | Vulcanus | Im dloading it |
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| 14:47.17 | Daemona | NSFW: http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/414857863/shower-power-gives-you-something-to-hold-on-to-during-shower-sex |
| 14:47.43 | Vulcanus | wtf XD |
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| 14:50.09 | ShaneSveller | gizmodo putting up nsfw articles? really? |
| 14:50.42 | Zeksie | Antiarc: I have a small patch for Chatter/modules/Highlights.lua that gets it to obey the ChatFrame filtering rules, if you want it |
| 14:50.47 | ShaneSveller | but I want a pair. |
| 14:53.13 | ShaneSveller | nevcairiel: who do I talk to about CSS issues with NewAce? |
| 14:53.55 | ShaneSveller | http://www.wowace.com/projects/arl/tickets/98-localization-issues-missng-en-us/ on 1280x1024 is forced to linebreak because that first tab is so wide |
| 14:54.19 | nevcairiel | thats already on the list |
| 14:54.25 | nevcairiel | kaelten was just too busy to fix it =P |
| 14:54.28 | Lukian | Daemoen, hmm I'm just pondering the lawsuits is the sucker slipped. |
| 14:54.32 | Lukian | if* |
| 14:54.47 | ShaneSveller | nevcairiel: okie dokie |
| 14:55.50 | Repo | 10parrot: 03kilrogg 06wrath-kilrogg * r439 / (4 files in 3 directories): - fixed Font compatibility for WoW 3.0 |
| 14:55.51 | Repo | - fixed changed spell IDs |
| 14:55.51 | Repo | - added GCD calculation (haste) |
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| 14:58.03 | Pneumatus | should libstub and callbackhandler be put in optionaldeps as well as Ace3? |
| 14:58.17 | Pneumatus | or is it assumed they will provide them, if your disembeded |
| 14:58.20 | nevcairiel | nah only Ace3 |
| 14:58.24 | nevcairiel | it includes LS and CBH anyway |
| 14:59.17 | nevcairiel | oh btw Gnarfoz, directly starting the downloader never worked for me, try opening the launcher |
| 15:00.43 | Pneumatus | either that or run the torrent yourself in a suitable client |
| 15:05.40 | Zeksie | bit of a formatting problem with wowace's menu bar on some pages. eg: http://www.wowace.com/projects/chatter/tickets/1-makes-highlights-module-obey-chat-frame_add-message/ |
| 15:05.42 | ShaneSveller | Pneumatus: most people never disembed LS and CBH from what i've heard |
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| 15:06.15 | Pneumatus | well, i know libs are supposed to contain a static version, not external |
| 15:06.25 | Pneumatus | so id guess Ace3 is no different |
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| 15:07.52 | Pneumatus | of course the validity of putting libs in optionaldeps is a whole other discussion anyway :) |
| 15:08.21 | nevcairiel | its valid, there is no other way to do it without cheating in some scripted solution |
| 15:08.40 | nevcairiel | You need it to load before your addon, and you need it to not fail if its embeded |
| 15:09.08 | Pneumatus | the libs are still not optional though, regardless |
| 15:09.26 | nevcairiel | thats not the point :P |
| 15:09.27 | Pneumatus | but you can't make them required due to running embedded |
| 15:09.45 | Josh_Borke | externals are supposed to be static content! |
| 15:09.46 | nevcairiel | its the only mechanic we have that works for that case |
| 15:09.49 | nevcairiel | so its perfectly valid |
| 15:10.16 | Pneumatus | what does putting them in optionaldeps actually achieve though? |
| 15:10.24 | nevcairiel | They load before your addon |
| 15:10.55 | molgar | anyone here have any exp with Addon Studio for wow ? is it possible to make the xml sort diferent ? so it fire button 1 before 2? haveing problems that it shows my buttons from 54321 insted of 12345 and if i try to do it manualy it just reset the position in the xml file when i save and load up again... |
| 15:12.02 | kadrahil | so this is an odd question but |
| 15:12.06 | Xinhuan | nevcairiel, i need to inform you that |
| 15:12.10 | kadrahil | do you guys think it's possible for blizzard to do a race change for a character? |
| 15:12.15 | kadrahil | or is that against policy, or impossible otherwise |
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| 15:12.21 | Pneumatus | i guess that at least allows the memory use to be attributed to the stand-alone libs if they are present, even if that particular addon could run embedded |
| 15:12.25 | Zeksie | kadrahil: no chance |
| 15:12.27 | Xinhuan | LoD addons refuse to load in patch 3.0 onwards, except via LoadAddOn() |
| 15:12.29 | Josh_Borke | kadrahil: i'm gonna go with never gonna happen |
| 15:12.33 | kadrahil | Zeksie: didn't think so |
| 15:12.37 | Xinhuan | meaning, optdep doesn't cause them to load |
| 15:12.50 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: works fine for me, it just fails if the itnerface version is below 30000 |
| 15:12.53 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: yeah probably not |
| 15:12.55 | Xinhuan | incorrect |
| 15:12.58 | Zeksie | wrong |
| 15:13.00 | Xinhuan | i have test cases and test addons |
| 15:13.01 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: i wish i had made a troll instead of blood elf :( |
| 15:13.17 | Xinhuan | with 30000 |
| 15:13.18 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: thats what happend for me, what do i care what you think :P |
| 15:13.18 | Xinhuan | i can prove that an LoD addon will not load |
| 15:13.18 | Pneumatus | they said that PvE -> PvP transfers would never happen either |
| 15:13.32 | Xinhuan | well this has severe implications for disembedded libs |
| 15:13.34 | Xinhuan | they will not load |
| 15:13.40 | Curses | There is that new paid character customization stuff that poped up in the game files not to long ago |
| 15:13.57 | kadrahil | Curses: do you have a source for that? |
| 15:13.58 | Xinhuan | they will load if Ace2 instructs them to load - they won't load if its via ace3 |
| 15:14.02 | Pneumatus | you can pretty much customise everything with the barbershop now anywya |
| 15:14.06 | Xinhuan | because ace2 uses LoadAddOn() |
| 15:14.09 | Curses | It was on mmo-champion I am pretty sure |
| 15:14.12 | Zeksie | yep. i threw in a bunch of LoadAddOns in ZOMGBuffs at start of beta, cos it was the only way it would load up. with all TOCs reading 30000 |
| 15:14.24 | AckisWork | kadrahilJosh_Borke: i wish i had made a troll instead of blood elf :( <--- HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 15:14.27 | Xinhuan | as such, the top of our ace3 addons must contain LoadAddOn() for every lib |
| 15:14.41 | nevcairiel | nah they dont |
| 15:14.43 | Xinhuan | and these loadaddon() statements must come before the :newAddon() call |
| 15:14.47 | nevcairiel | libraries as LoD was wrong anyway |
| 15:14.51 | Xinhuan | so that oninit will fire properly anyway |
| 15:15.48 | Xinhuan | well unless aceaddon is changed accordingly, disembedded lod libs will have to be force loaded at the top of addons |
| 15:16.01 | nevcairiel | its still not what i experienced on my beta client, but even if its so, its easier to jsut remove LoD from all libs |
| 15:16.02 | Josh_Borke | THANK GOODNESS |
| 15:16.09 | Xinhuan | in the main chunk, before the NewAddon() declaration |
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| 15:16.17 | Zeksie | erm.. no. |
| 15:16.26 | Xinhuan | its probable that you have an ace2 addon that is loading that lib nevcairiel |
| 15:16.29 | Adirelle|work | nevcairiel: except for rock |
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| 15:16.40 | Zeksie | i have dozens of libs i don't load, i don't want them all of a sudden loading everytihng in existance.. |
| 15:16.41 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: no, i didnt |
| 15:16.43 | Josh_Borke | rock the casbah! |
| 15:16.50 | nevcairiel | Zeksie: delete them, not my problem |
| 15:16.55 | Josh_Borke | Zeksie: why do you have them if you don't need them? |
| 15:17.06 | Xinhuan | i assure you lod addons will not load even when optdeped |
| 15:17.27 | Zeksie | mostly things I only use on some characters. |
| 15:17.31 | Adirelle|work | I'd bet conditionnal addons, like, class/profession specific addons |
| 15:17.37 | nevcairiel | Zeksie: you can disable them, you know |
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| 15:17.47 | Xinhuan | i've prepared a minimal test addon for iriel to look at |
| 15:18.00 | Zeksie | yes.. i can. but at the moment i do not need to know the loading requirements of every mod i have. |
| 15:18.10 | Zeksie | i just turn off the base mod for 1 char eg. |
| 15:18.12 | nevcairiel | Zeksie: if you decide to run disembed, you do need to. |
| 15:18.18 | Xinhuan | don't deceive yourself, more than a few authors have noted LoD issues |
| 15:18.29 | nevcairiel | its not my problem to cater the lazyness of people to run disembed. I need to make sure everythign works |
| 15:18.30 | Xinhuan | LoD addons are marked in red text at the login screen |
| 15:18.44 | Adirelle|work | i'm off |
| 15:19.08 | Xinhuan | well, i'm just informing you of the lod change to wow.exe |
| 15:19.17 | Xinhuan | if you don't believe in it, that's fine with me |
| 15:20.11 | Zeksie | deja vu. |
| 15:20.42 | nevcairiel | I didnt test it for quite a while, was mostly in the first week after i got beta, maybe the behaviour changed in between |
| 15:22.07 | Xinhuan | it hasn't changed, i've merely noted that some libs aren't loading consistently, it wasn't until today that i went to do a through investigation of why |
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| 15:22.25 | nevcairiel | If you've only tested today, how do you know it didnt change :D |
| 15:22.36 | Xinhuan | because those same libs refused to load previously |
| 15:22.42 | Xinhuan | such as libsharedmedia |
| 15:22.43 | Funkeh` | so who raped the mark all read button |
| 15:22.45 | Zeksie | it's been like this for as long as i can remember on beta. |
| 15:22.57 | Curses | kadrahil: Check your PMs pal :) |
| 15:23.03 | Xinhuan | Funkeh`, its in the "Quick Links" dropdown |
| 15:23.05 | nevcairiel | I bumped all my lib tocs to 30000 a while ago and it seemed to work properly |
| 15:23.15 | Repo | 10classtimer: 03ominous 06woltk * r269 ClassTimer.toc: helps if i add Deathknight.lua to toc |
| 15:23.23 | Xinhuan | i tested it with a minimal addonA and addonB |
| 15:23.27 | Xinhuan | both with 30000 |
| 15:23.35 | nevcairiel | then i rebuild my beta interface and used embeds only |
| 15:23.37 | Funkeh` | Xinhuan, lemme rephrase, who raped the quick links dropdown |
| 15:23.40 | nevcairiel | so i wouldnt know either if it changed :P |
| 15:23.48 | Xinhuan | Funkeh`: are you logged into the forums? |
| 15:23.53 | Xinhuan | check the upper right corner |
| 15:24.02 | Xinhuan | a bug is causing everyone to auto logout every 15 min |
| 15:24.25 | Funkeh` | oh I forgot this is a different machine, to allow the 3rd party cookie :/ |
| 15:24.38 | Funkeh` | auth.curse.com |
| 15:25.26 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: ever 24h now :P |
| 15:25.30 | Stanzilla | *y |
| 15:25.41 | Xinhuan | yeah but he just logged on |
| 15:25.42 | Xinhuan | ;p |
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| 15:27.22 | nevcairiel | anyway, before anyone starts adding hackish LoadAddOn to their shit, i'll strip the LoadOnDemand from all libs myself |
| 15:28.02 | Funkeh` | nevcairiel, I'm gonna stab the dark and guess you're debating the whole out of date thing |
| 15:28.11 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 15:28.27 | nevcairiel | apparently LoD addons don't load anymore if they are OptDep'ed |
| 15:28.39 | Funkeh` | INtended? |
| 15:28.44 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 15:28.48 | Funkeh` | :/ |
| 15:28.55 | nevcairiel | but its been like that for a while in beta, or so Xinhuan claims :P |
| 15:29.09 | Funkeh` | Not sure, I do remember the out of date for LoD bug though |
| 15:29.33 | nevcairiel | yeah, i'm pretty sure it worked fine after you set the .toc to 30000 during start of beta |
| 15:29.52 | Xinhuan | http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/LoadOnDemandProblem.zip |
| 15:29.58 | Xinhuan | feel free to analyze it! |
| 15:30.24 | nevcairiel | I never said its wrong now, but you insisted i was wrong when i tested it some month ago :P |
| 15:30.43 | Gnarfoz | it never worked |
| 15:30.44 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 15:30.44 | Xinhuan | hmm well, i initially merely said its a change |
| 15:31.11 | Daemona | ok, someone please tell me this is not what i think it is ... http://i35.tinypic.com/2dl9k40.jpg ... division by zero? |
| 15:31.46 | Pneumatus | hahah |
| 15:31.53 | Pneumatus | no. |
| 15:32.34 | Pneumatus | you wouldnt assert a denominator to be >= 0 |
| 15:32.55 | Gnarfoz | http://steve.hollasch.net/cgindex/coding/ieeefloat.html |
| 15:32.57 | nevcairiel | 1.QNAN0 is INF/INF |
| 15:33.01 | Daemona | but at least we now know where their build server resides... |
| 15:33.34 | Gnarfoz | that's nothing new... ;) |
| 15:33.57 | Funkeh` | What, on E: ? lol |
| 15:34.38 | nevcairiel | whats so funny about using E:? |
| 15:35.05 | Pneumatus | i wonder whats on D: |
| 15:35.47 | Stanzilla | D: is WoW 2 :O |
| 15:36.02 | Funkeh` | nevcairiel, I'm finding it funny that us kjnowing they use E: is of any advantage to us at all |
| 15:36.10 | nevcairiel | Its not :P |
| 15:36.14 | Funkeh` | exactly! |
| 15:36.40 | Pneumatus | and E: could be a mapped drive |
| 15:36.54 | Funkeh` | I don't really think it wouldn't be |
| 15:37.02 | Funkeh` | That would be hell |
| 15:37.26 | Pneumatus | maybe not probable, but possible |
| 15:38.00 | Funkeh` | and then merge in all the copies? maybe |
| 15:39.58 | Repo | 10classtimer: 03ominous 06woltk * r270 ClassTimer.lua: Opps helps if i dont remove an important variable |
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| 15:41.15 | Pneumatus | can anyone remember from BC beta, did they shut the beta realms down just after 2.0 was patched in, or did they wait till BC release? |
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| 15:41.50 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster: apparently, wow can indeed play .ogg files |
| 15:41.55 | Repo | 10parrot: 03kilrogg 06wrath-kilrogg 04Alpha * r440 : Tagging as Alpha. |
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| 15:43.06 | Zeksie | Pneumatus: was just before release if i recall correctly |
| 15:43.13 | Zeksie | like a day or two |
| 15:43.34 | Pneumatus | i remember there being a monster fight in shatt, but thats about it :> |
| 15:45.57 | Repo | 10parrot: 03kilrogg 06wrath-kilrogg * r441 .pkgmeta: -Package as: Parrot |
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| 15:53.07 | KriLL3 | I love ppl standing on top of QD NPCs... |
| 15:53.21 | QD | What 'bout my NPCS?! |
| 15:53.35 | Repo | 10simple-md: 03Starinnia 06wrath * r90 : SimpleMD: remove miscopied external |
| 15:53.36 | Xinhuan | i just /console autoDismount 0 |
| 15:53.37 | Xinhuan | and mount up |
| 15:53.43 | Xinhuan | and i will never accidentally melee them :) |
| 16:01.44 | KriLL3 | QD: Quel'Danas ... |
| 16:01.59 | QD | Yea I know, I was making a funny |
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| 16:10.39 | Repo | - fix an options bug |
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| 16:14.15 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r186 XPerl.lua: |
| 16:14.16 | Repo | XPerl: LibHealComm-3.0 is optional Zek. Optional! Have forwarded this info to LibStub. |
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| 16:24.24 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie 06wotlk * r187 / (71 files in 18 directories): XPerl: WotLK branch. |
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| 16:31.55 | MrBaer | moin |
| 16:31.57 | Repo | 10xperl: 03Zeksie * r187 XPerl.lua: XPerl: Learn to test.. Fixed XPerl_SetExpectedHealth error. |
| 16:32.21 | MrBaer | can somebody tell me, why there are people running around with a "r90000" release of omen2? |
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| 16:32.42 | Zeksie | it's a kludge fix cos of the wowace old -> new revision numbering |
| 16:33.01 | MrBaer | kludge fix? did i miss something? |
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| 16:34.33 | Xinhuan | yes ;p |
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| 16:34.54 | Xinhuan | i updated the revision number manually to 90000 since the numbering system broke with the wowace->curse merger |
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| 16:35.24 | nevcairiel | yeah someone was supposed to run a script to fix the rev numbers |
| 16:35.30 | nevcairiel | but apparently that someone didnt get the memo <.< |
| 16:36.02 | Zeksie | had to do something similar to zomg, but instead i subtracted lastRevision+1 from version numbers under the last revision on old svn |
| 16:36.37 | Xinhuan | omen relied explicitly on revision numbering for compat checks though |
| 16:36.53 | MrBaer | wait... wowace->curse-merger? |
| 16:36.57 | Zeksie | yeah, i do somewhat. i subtracted same number from those too |
| 16:37.34 | MrBaer | looks like i really missed some important news. |
| 16:37.44 | MrBaer | WAU doesn't work anymore at all? |
| 16:38.03 | Xinhuan | it'll work maybe at best a few more days |
| 16:38.10 | Xinhuan | updates to addons no longer go to where WAU updates from |
| 16:38.33 | Zeksie | not since a few days now |
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| 16:38.36 | Repo | -- Crystal of Ferocity 23989 |
| 16:38.36 | Repo | -- Aspect of Neptulon 17310 |
| 16:38.38 | Repo | -- Great Brewfest Kodo 37828 |
| 16:40.51 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: why not exactly the last revision that it was updated instead of some random number? :-P |
| 16:41.02 | Josh_Borke | or were you just too LAZY |
| 16:41.04 | Josh_Borke | ~lazy Xinhuan |
| 16:41.05 | purl | Xinhuan, you are SOOOOO lazy |
| 16:41.07 | Xinhuan | too lazy |
| 16:41.18 | Xinhuan | i expected that to be the last ever commit to omen anyway |
| 16:41.42 | nevcairiel | I need to help on Omen3 on the weekend |
| 16:42.29 | Xinhuan | i'm adding more LSM config options atm |
| 16:42.44 | Xinhuan | then i'm adding Sink options after that |
| 16:42.56 | Xinhuan | you should concentrate on BT4 first as your priority ;p |
| 16:43.10 | nevcairiel | its mostly done, only some small stuff missing |
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| 16:43.52 | nevcairiel | I cant really say that about Omen :p |
| 16:44.12 | Xinhuan | my guild has stopped raiding, so pretty much i have 24/7 to work on it |
| 16:44.24 | Xinhuan | as long as i'm not actually in diremaul farming for keys anyway |
| 16:44.53 | nevcairiel | we're still trying muru before 3.0 |
| 16:44.57 | nevcairiel | it looks good, too! |
| 16:45.08 | nevcairiel | he is so down after 3.0, at the least |
| 16:45.09 | Xinhuan | my server has 8 guilds stuck on muru |
| 16:45.12 | Xinhuan | only 3 are still trying |
| 16:45.13 | Xinhuan | ;p |
| 16:45.37 | nevcairiel | maybe i'll get the sunwell achievement afterall |
| 16:46.07 | Xinhuan | i don't expect to get it before lvl 80 |
| 16:46.11 | nevcairiel | 30% less HP on muru will make him easy as pie |
| 16:46.21 | nevcairiel | not sure how that plays out with KJ |
| 16:46.26 | Xinhuan | LSM:Register("sound", "You Will Die!", [[Sound\Creature\CThun\CThunYouWillDIe.wav]]) |
| 16:46.27 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 16:46.30 | falconindy1 | 30% off of KJ makes him a joke as well |
| 16:46.42 | Xinhuan | what will happen if i set that as the default omen warning sound HEHE |
| 16:47.00 | Fasti | ye, will be able to have multiple dragons up before 25% :P |
| 16:47.26 | Fasti | which will make buffing a lot easier |
| 16:47.32 | nevcairiel | our best try was 18% on entropius just yesterday |
| 16:47.39 | nevcairiel | so the 30% already kill him for us, lol |
| 16:47.49 | Silviu- | Damn nev |
| 16:47.52 | Silviu- | Get him down ! |
| 16:47.54 | Silviu- | Before |
| 16:47.57 | Silviu- | 3.0 |
| 16:47.57 | Silviu- | ;p |
| 16:47.58 | nevcairiel | we try! |
| 16:48.02 | nevcairiel | one more week |
| 16:48.08 | Silviu- | Yeah :) 1 more id ;p |
| 16:48.11 | Xinhuan | buffs don't stack in 3.0 as well as they do currently though |
| 16:48.18 | nevcairiel | still DPS is higher |
| 16:48.21 | Xinhuan | could be 2 weeks |
| 16:48.22 | nevcairiel | and TPS for that matter |
| 16:48.26 | Silviu- | Atm we are on our way to Kalecgos booring :/ |
| 16:48.31 | Xinhuan | i hope its 2 weeks |
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| 16:48.33 | nevcairiel | raid starts in 45mins |
| 16:48.49 | yoshimo | can someone have a look at http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=VP78HW6C and tell me if my modded transcriptor will log all three worldframe events like it should? |
| 16:48.50 | Silviu- | Hope we finish at least twins today |
| 16:48.54 | Silviu- | and M`uru and Kj tomorrow |
| 16:48.57 | nevcairiel | hope we have setup for all the shit before muru |
| 16:49.05 | nevcairiel | lately we lack healers for twins alot |
| 16:49.14 | Silviu- | How many u take ? |
| 16:49.27 | nevcairiel | 10 or 11, depending on availability |
| 16:49.37 | nevcairiel | (and who is there, lol) |
| 16:49.49 | Silviu- | So many ? |
| 16:49.51 | Silviu- | Wtf :) |
| 16:50.10 | nevcairiel | you could probably take less if you stack more shamans |
| 16:50.25 | Silviu- | We make it with 9 |
| 16:50.30 | nevcairiel | but dunno, it works for us |
| 16:50.50 | Silviu- | Actually i hate that boss ;p |
| 16:50.58 | Silviu- | i`m the wl tank, and every week must reskill QQ :) |
| 16:51.37 | yoshimo | i feel bad with ros on our schedule next :P |
| 16:51.45 | Silviu- | ;-) |
| 16:51.49 | Silviu- | We don`t do BT anymore |
| 16:52.18 | phyber | nevcairiel: silly question, is sticky frames in bt4 yet? I read in your thread that it was, but the version I've cloned from git doesn't have it. |
| 16:52.33 | phyber | well, it appears not to anyway. maybe it's hidden ;) |
| 16:53.28 | NeoTron | I still wish I had gotten Kil'jaeden down but I don't regret stopping raiding and breaking up the guild a few weeks ago |
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| 17:00.04 | Obelixprime | how far were you from killing kj? |
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| 17:02.08 | NeoTron | we got to him, spent an evening there |
| 17:02.15 | NeoTron | so pretty far |
| 17:02.25 | NeoTron | but still close in the general sense since we got to him |
| 17:04.13 | nevcairiel | phyber: the 3.0/Wrath version only has it |
| 17:05.03 | phyber | ahhh, i see :) |
| 17:05.37 | phyber | switching to BT4 now to save time when v3 hits. took ages to line it all up again ;) |
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| 17:11.09 | waallen | Any WOTLK version for ClearFont2 around |
| 17:11.10 | waallen | += |
| 17:11.15 | waallen | *? :/ |
| 17:11.49 | Pneumatus | minitype works, if thats any help |
| 17:12.10 | waallen | Never used it, going to check it out |
| 17:13.21 | Pneumatus | its a font replacer like cleartype, and can/does use fonts from LSM |
| 17:14.08 | waallen | I guess you can add your .tff files to it as well |
| 17:14.54 | Pneumatus | yeh, you can ofc register more fonts which then become available to everything that uses LSM also |
| 17:15.02 | Silviu- | ping vhaarr , [Ammo] ;p |
| 17:15.02 | Pneumatus | theres a font pack for LSM around somewhere as well |
| 17:15.23 | waallen | ok, thanks, I'll set it up once the beta server comes online again |
| 17:15.34 | waallen | CF2 is giving me lots of lua errors |
| 17:16.31 | nevcairiel | for wotlk 2 fonts changed |
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| 17:17.10 | Trela | Oh yes, time for alcohol and porting Ace2 Addons to Rock. |
| 17:17.38 | waallen | I just want to force another "global" font since Fubar doesn't allow you to set one for the plugins |
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| 17:18.35 | Trela | ClearFont2? |
| 17:18.49 | Trela | http://www.wowace.com/projects/clear-font2/ |
| 17:19.13 | waallen | yep, it's just not working with wotlk beta properly (yet) |
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| 17:19.53 | Trela | I was fairly sure I was running it. |
| 17:20.16 | Pneumatus | im not sure if ag added any new font objects into minitype, but he put some sanity in, so that if the font object doesnt exist anymore it doesnt try and apply the new font to it |
| 17:20.26 | Pneumatus | which made it work in LK |
| 17:20.46 | waallen | it does run even if it triggers a fair amount of lua errors and it is not changing font face for fubar plugin texts |
| 17:20.59 | Trela | attempt to index global 'SystemFont' (a nil value) |
| 17:21.08 | break19 | brb, one last time, I promise |
| 17:21.11 | Trela | checks it out! |
| 17:21.18 | waallen | yeah, that one |
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| 17:22.29 | break19 | meh, stupid updater didn't upate |
| 17:22.31 | break19 | update |
| 17:22.35 | break19 | kicks his keyboard |
| 17:23.03 | Trela | Hmm, no mention of it being removed either. |
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| 17:24.06 | break19 | ah, there we go |
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| 17:25.47 | Trela | waallen: I have a fix for it, coding it now. |
| 17:26.01 | Sirow | when AceAddon3 calls :OnDisable(), does :IsEnabled() still return true or gets it updated before OnDisable() call? |
| 17:26.22 | waallen | thanks Trela, I'll wait for that before installing Minitype |
| 17:26.44 | Trela | Instead of just SystemFont there are now a ton of SystemFont_Blahs. |
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| 17:44.00 | Trela | Ha! SystemFont_OutlineThick_WTF - Assumed WoW Text File. Nope, font size is 102, so WTF indeed! |
| 17:45.57 | Sirow | lol |
| 17:46.11 | waallen | :-D |
| 17:46.54 | Trela | I think I am done fixing it, doing a comparison. |
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| 17:53.28 | Trela | It is changing more fonts now, but some are still being stubborn and I need to look them up. |
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| 17:58.36 | Repo | LibPeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 17:58.37 | Repo | -- Block comment data.lua so it passes syntax check. Probably needs something more elegant. |
| 17:58.39 | Repo | -- Crystal of Ferocity 23989 |
| 17:58.43 | Repo | -- Aspect of Neptulon 17310 |
| 18:04.11 | Trela | Done~ |
| 18:04.37 | Trela | looks for the wrath of Kickburn some where! |
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| 18:07.42 | Trela | http://www.nonamestudios.com/download/ClearFont2.zip |
| 18:07.48 | Trela | goes to email Kickburn. |
| 18:08.22 | nevcairiel | his name is kirkburn, with rrrr :p |
| 18:08.22 | Repo | 10libperiodictable-3-1: 03Azethoth * r5 / (22 files in 11 directories): LibPeriodicTable-3.1: |
| 18:08.23 | Repo | -- Add props |
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| 18:08.39 | nevcairiel | ~seen kirkburn |
| 18:08.43 | purl | kirkburn <n=Kirkburn@wikia/Kirkburn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 11h 41m 43s ago, saying: 'I'm off now - see you much later'. |
| 18:08.55 | nevcairiel | ah he is at blizzcon i guess |
| 18:09.16 | Toadkiller | blizzcon starts on fri doesnt it? |
| 18:09.48 | Trela | Roffles, I uploaded the original version. |
| 18:10.00 | Sirow | 10.-11. oct |
| 18:10.04 | Fisker- | Toadkiller he's from the UK |
| 18:10.08 | jaxdahl2 | yea it starts friday morning |
| 18:10.22 | jaxdahl2 | people are likely travelling by now if they are making a long weekend out of it |
| 18:10.23 | Toadkiller | ah yes, that may make it a bit longer |
| 18:10.41 | Repo | 10test-alpha: 03ckknight * r25 TestAlpha.lua: fake commit |
| 18:10.48 | Toadkiller | just making sure i didnt noob it and am missing 3 extra days |
| 18:11.11 | jaxdahl2 | oh, you missed the pre-main event party at the playboy mansion |
| 18:11.19 | Toadkiller | lol |
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| 18:11.34 | Fisker- | Yeah the goodiebags were awesome |
| 18:11.42 | Toadkiller | actually hef's daughters place is one block away from my moms |
| 18:11.46 | jaxdahl2 | funbags, know what i'm saying? |
| 18:11.47 | Trela | waallen: http://www.nonamestudios.com/download/ClearFont2.zip - Redownload, I blew it and uploaded the original. |
| 18:12.31 | Toadkiller | you guys totally had me going till u claimed hef has bags roaming around the mansion. theyre all bunnies... |
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| 18:13.48 | jaxdahl2 | the bags are on the bunnies..... |
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| 18:14.17 | Toadkiller | oh the silicone bags. well its not like u actually notice the bags themselves... |
| 18:15.55 | Trela | OH! |
| 18:16.00 | Trela | kiRkburn. |
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| 18:23.04 | Stanzilla | Daemona: windows has no drivers for those usb sticks :O |
| 18:23.27 | Daemona | why do you need a driver for a usb stick !? |
| 18:23.34 | Daemona | its working fine for me with xp and vista |
| 18:25.24 | Stanzilla | that's a good question |
| 18:25.28 | Stanzilla | vista x64 doesn't like them |
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| 18:30.53 | backbone87 | question: the standard blizz unit party frames are still PartyMemberFrameX or did this changed? |
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| 18:32.27 | waallen | Trela: many thanks, I'll check if it works later on |
| 18:35.56 | Trela | I am about to convert my custom options frames into Rock config. Alcohol required. :O~ |
| 18:37.19 | kenlyric | convert to blizz config |
| 18:38.57 | Trela | Eh~ |
| 18:39.12 | Trela | I really do not want to consume that much alcohol to use Blizzard's configuration. |
| 18:39.54 | Repo | 10prescription: 03Starinnia * r65 / (5 files in 1 directory): |
| 18:39.54 | Repo | Prescription: upgrade framework to Ace3, remove soulstone check |
| 18:40.27 | break19 | .. silicon bags .. ? *thinks of many uses for those* |
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| 18:42.35 | Toadkiller | These are not directly accesible as they are incorporated into the above "fun bags" |
| 18:45.13 | Daemona | http://vimeo.com/1847710 |
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| 18:52.05 | Tornhoof | hmm when is the supposed live date for the patch? next week or the week after? |
| 18:53.16 | nevcairiel | next |
| 18:53.27 | nevcairiel | 14/15th |
| 18:54.03 | Tornhoof | considering the new patch on beta/ptr and the crashing world servers they have one hell of a long weekend ;) |
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| 18:57.16 | kadrahil | ROFL |
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| 18:57.22 | kadrahil | i just found the best blue post ever |
| 18:57.26 | kadrahil | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1415381546&sid=1 |
| 18:58.04 | kadrahil | i don't know why i just found that amusing |
| 19:04.52 | Fisker- | pentium d = automatic fail Daemoen |
| 19:04.59 | Fisker- | Daemona * |
| 19:05.15 | Fisker- | also shitty music = automatic fail as well |
| 19:05.25 | leech2k | hmm I like my pentium d |
| 19:05.32 | leech2k | dirt cheap and overcloks mass |
| 19:05.39 | leech2k | overclocks* |
| 19:05.54 | Fisker- | Gz on having lots of cycles doing nothing |
| 19:07.51 | leech2k | 4g for under 100$ I am not complaining :-) |
| 19:14.19 | waallen | Trela: working awesomely, thanks |
| 19:14.25 | Trela | Great! |
| 19:17.09 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03Azethoth * r595 .pkgmeta: AutoBar : |
| 19:17.10 | Repo | asdad |
| 19:19.28 | Chompers | http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00031ju7.jpg |
| 19:19.30 | Chompers | oh my |
| 19:19.32 | Chompers | ;) |
| 19:20.14 | Fisker- | why so oh my? |
| 19:20.31 | Chompers | you saw it right? |
| 19:20.43 | Fisker- | of course |
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| 19:23.15 | Repo | 10omen-threat-meter: 03Xinhuan 06wrath 07master * 9895c8c / (2 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Add bar height/spacing options. |
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| 19:23.41 | Mytos | afternoon folks |
| 19:23.52 | Stanzilla | I wonder what we get as new beta builds then if they already deliver it |
| 19:24.00 | Xinhuan | actually its a 6 line commit message |
| 19:24.09 | Xinhuan | since i fixed and added a lot mroe things than that |
| 19:24.12 | Groktar | Stanzilla: what? |
| 19:24.22 | Xinhuan | crazy Repo |
| 19:24.26 | Stanzilla | Groktar: 21:18:40 ∙ Chompers: http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00031ju7.jpg |
| 19:24.55 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: git contention is a summary in line 1, and details in everythign else :) |
| 19:25.00 | nevcairiel | *convention |
| 19:25.11 | Xinhuan | it used to say how many lines was trimmed! |
| 19:25.20 | nevcairiel | blame charon :P |
| 19:25.22 | Xinhuan | well anyway, i can't squeeze everything on one line |
| 19:25.28 | Xinhuan | it really was a lot of things |
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| 19:25.33 | nevcairiel | do multiple commits |
| 19:25.35 | nevcairiel | for features |
| 19:25.36 | charon | Xinhuan: it only shows the summary |
| 19:25.48 | nevcairiel | i just commit after every working change, or so |
| 19:25.49 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 19:25.49 | charon | of up to 4 commits |
| 19:25.50 | Xinhuan | well that's the summary at least |
| 19:26.01 | charon | and yea, do as nev says, split your changes into ... changes? :) |
| 19:26.11 | Xinhuan | thing is, the commit log is about 15 lines per commit ;p |
| 19:26.30 | Xinhuan | if i split that up into 6 commits, it would be 90 lines worth of commit log |
| 19:26.38 | charon | huh? |
| 19:26.51 | Xinhuan | wowace generates a changelog |
| 19:26.57 | Xinhuan | on the projects page |
| 19:27.13 | Xinhuan | i think the Curse client might be able to use this as well sometime in the future |
| 19:27.15 | charon | who cares. i wanted to simplify that anyway, it should probably be just 'git shortlog <range>' or so |
| 19:27.15 | Xinhuan | or maybe it already can |
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| 19:27.42 | Xinhuan | i just figured out it even showed my email address in it |
| 19:27.44 | sb | Chompers: whats that? :p |
| 19:27.45 | Xinhuan | which isn't very bright |
| 19:28.01 | charon | another reason for the shortlog? :) |
| 19:28.06 | Xinhuan | can the email me edited out? |
| 19:28.08 | Xinhuan | be* |
| 19:28.09 | charon | or maybe 'git log --pretty=oneline', i'm torn between them |
| 19:28.59 | charon | Repository read access denied to wow/omen/wrath.git for anmoch |
| 19:29.03 | charon | something seems wrong there |
| 19:29.11 | Groktar | tries |
| 19:29.36 | charon | Xinhuan: as a rule of thumb, commits should never be bigger than what you need to revert if one change turned out to be bogus |
| 19:29.50 | Xinhuan | url changed charon |
| 19:29.52 | charon | i.e., if upon reverting you have to split it in two, you did it wrong |
| 19:29.55 | charon | oh. |
| 19:30.01 | Xinhuan | change that omen to omen-threat-meter |
| 19:30.31 | Xinhuan | that's assuming i was implementing features one at a time ;p |
| 19:30.44 | Groktar | so if i've already cloned it |
| 19:30.47 | Xinhuan | i'm actually doing them 5 at a time |
| 19:30.48 | Groktar | how do i update? |
| 19:31.15 | charon | Xinhuan: use 'git add -p'. often. |
| 19:31.20 | charon | Groktar: 'git fetch origin' |
| 19:31.20 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03Azethoth * r596 .pkgmeta: AutoBar : |
| 19:31.21 | Repo | -- fix bogus PT3 Consumable link |
| 19:31.22 | Xinhuan | who are you talking to Groktar? |
| 19:31.35 | Xinhuan | what's -p do |
| 19:31.46 | Groktar | ty |
| 19:31.48 | charon | lets you pick hunks from the diff that are then staged |
| 19:32.00 | charon | that way, you can basically commit single changes, speaking in diff terms |
| 19:32.12 | charon | also, if a hunk turns out to merge two things, it has a hand-editing feature |
| 19:32.28 | Xinhuan | i think i'll skip on these advanced features for now |
| 19:32.30 | charon | my usual mode of operation is: hack for a while; repeat (git add -p; git commit) until no more changes are left; hack more |
| 19:32.42 | charon | followed by cleanup with 'git rebase -i', and finally pushing |
| 19:32.48 | Xinhuan | haven't you quit wow yet :D |
| 19:32.50 | Mytos | is there a new updater? |
| 19:33.06 | Toadkiller | yes and its on curse |
| 19:33.10 | AckisWork | charon: I just do git commit -a -m "blah" then git push |
| 19:33.32 | charon | AckisWork: meh. i'm trying to teach Xinhuan not to do that :( |
| 19:33.43 | Mytos | so just use the curse updater? |
| 19:33.44 | charon | 'commit -a' is the svn mindset. git can do better |
| 19:33.51 | AckisWork | the reason why I brought it up is.. why is it bad? |
| 19:34.01 | Xinhuan | my goal's to get omen3 in a usable condition by next tues, not to produce nice commit logs |
| 19:34.04 | charon | because it tends to conflate several independent changes into a single commit |
| 19:34.29 | Toadkiller | Dont you just select a bunch of files, right click and select "SVN Commit..."? |
| 19:34.43 | charon | Toadkiller: that still conflates changes if they were made to the same file. |
| 19:34.46 | Repo | 10dhud2: 03Arcanefoam 042.0Alpha * r47 : DHUD2: |
| 19:34.47 | Repo | - |
| 19:35.01 | charon | should give up on the evangelism |
| 19:35.25 | charon | oh and cookies for anyone who can tell me how to implement that 'add -p; commit' workflow in mercurial. i'm missing it. |
| 19:35.34 | Toadkiller | So git will let you undo specific changes unless they collide on a particular line? |
| 19:35.41 | Groktar | sweet, it worked |
| 19:35.42 | Groktar | i think |
| 19:36.48 | Toadkiller | is pkgmeta changes on a 20 min update cycle? |
| 19:36.52 | charon | Toadkiller: not undo. commit some, while holding back others. |
| 19:36.56 | nevcairiel | charon: try checkout again |
| 19:37.09 | charon | nevcairiel: xin was right, it was just the path/url that had changed |
| 19:37.14 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 19:37.24 | nevcairiel | i thought the permissions got messed up again |
| 19:37.26 | nevcairiel | and i tried a fix :P |
| 19:37.32 | Toadkiller | charon: sounds needlessly tweaky |
| 19:37.36 | charon | sorry, should have said that it worked, didn't mean to keep you busy with it |
| 19:37.58 | Trela | Arrr. |
| 19:38.10 | Xinhuan | for the most part, i've commented almost every part of the code |
| 19:38.18 | Xinhuan | so it shouldn't be difficult to follow it |
| 19:38.21 | Trela | Rock sees that I am making configuration changes, but does not save them when reloading or close WoW. |
| 19:38.22 | charon | Toadkiller: the value of clean history and logical, well-separated changes goes up exponentially with the number of people involved |
| 19:38.26 | charon | but who am i to tell you how to work -.- |
| 19:39.19 | Toadkiller | I tend to do small incremental commits anyway unless its a giant transition like 2.x - 3.0 |
| 19:40.00 | Toadkiller | I think svn can handle reverts on small things as well as long as they didnt collide |
| 19:40.04 | nevcairiel | giant transitions deserve branches and lots of tiny commits in them! |
| 19:40.16 | charon | ^ truth |
| 19:40.32 | charon | then again in git, almost everything should go into a branch |
| 19:41.49 | Toadkiller | Nah, the 2.0 code is dead in 4 days and nobody, especially me, needs the in between stuff except for a few milestones like getting buttons to show up, and first popups working. But I agree if more than 1 person is working on it it would be hairier |
| 19:41.59 | Trela | For Ace2/Rock, is there something special I have to do to make it actually save the options for an AddOn when reloading the interface or closing WoW? |
| 19:42.56 | Toadkiller | If you change an option, you either need to log out or ReloadUI to have it save to disk. Other than that process being interrupted by a computer crash it is automatic |
| 19:43.48 | Trela | Yeah, it does not. :D |
| 19:44.10 | Toadkiller | Now if you are talking about something specific like KeyBound, I think I added a revert to it, dont remember if it needs an ok button atm |
| 19:44.11 | Trela | I can toggle the options true and false, but they always default back to false. |
| 19:44.36 | Toadkiller | In that case log a bug with the mod author |
| 19:44.47 | Trela | I am the AddOn author. |
| 19:44.58 | Toadkiller | Fix your bug |
| 19:45.05 | Trela | Bug logged. :P~ |
| 19:45.23 | Repo | 10yata: 03Tornhoof 07wotlk * r36 TotemButton.lua: - minor bugfixes |
| 19:45.29 | Toadkiller | Did u set up the save variable in your toc? |
| 19:45.53 | Trela | I have the options declared in OnInitialize, the database set, the SaveVariables in the TOC, and all of the Get/Set functions. |
| 19:45.54 | Toadkiller | ## SavedVariables: AutoBarDB |
| 19:45.57 | Groktar | Tornhoof: every time i see your commits i think of japanese men in nothing but underwear |
| 19:47.03 | Toadkiller | Well just look at the actual file that gets saved. are the changes there or not? |
| 19:47.23 | Tornhoof | why groktar?, sumo? |
| 19:47.46 | Primer | So I switched to the curse client last night, and now I'm finding that some addons I use (TomTom, Lightheaded) don't exist on curse |
| 19:48.13 | NeoTron | Primer: use JWU for those? |
| 19:48.22 | Primer | I'm guessing that the curse client will never support addons from, say, wowinterface? |
| 19:48.25 | NeoTron | not like they existed on wowace |
| 19:48.34 | ShaneSveller | well, my ISP officially told me to piss off wrt IPv6 support |
| 19:48.37 | Primer | NeoTron: that's what I'm trying to setup now |
| 19:49.01 | NeoTron | and curse client can't really update from wowi |
| 19:49.21 | NeoTron | imagine the headlines "Commercial Curse client leeches bandwidth from WowInterface" |
| 19:50.10 | Toadkiller | switch to all curse mods imo. the convenience is worth the mod quality you sacrifice |
| 19:50.20 | Primer | uhhh |
| 19:50.20 | Toadkiller | *totally worth |
| 19:50.20 | NeoTron | Toadkiller: incorrect |
| 19:50.26 | Toadkiller | lol |
| 19:50.28 | ShaneSveller | I respectfully disagree |
| 19:50.30 | NeoTron | there are no equivalent of lightheaded for starters |
| 19:50.45 | Primer | I installed lightheaded for my kid |
| 19:50.52 | Toadkiller | sounds like u need to sacrifice some quality then... |
| 19:51.13 | Toadkiller | same with DBM |
| 19:51.17 | Trela | Toadkiller: The WoW client was being dumb. |
| 19:51.22 | Primer | DBM is on curse |
| 19:51.30 | NeoTron | and if you use tomtom it's because you don't want to use cartographer but want a lighter alternative |
| 19:51.46 | NeoTron | and seriously, wowace doesn't mean "superior quality" in the very slightest |
| 19:51.57 | Toadkiller | oh damn good point, I now have access to curse + wowace! |
| 19:52.10 | Repo | 10dhud2: 03Arcanefoam 042.0Alpha * r48 / (13 files in 2 directories): DHUD2: |
| 19:52.11 | Repo | -Change externals to match Ace3 |
| 19:52.12 | Repo | -First new menu layout tests |
| 19:52.39 | ShaneSveller | NeoTron: I use TomTom / Mapster / GatherMate, works great for my purposes. |
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| 19:52.47 | NeoTron | same |
| 19:52.51 | Toadkiller | is that googlemaps cartographer usefull yet? |
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| 19:53.09 | Odlaw | kills framerate imo |
| 19:53.57 | Dashkal | I find it so. I only take the bad framerate hit when I leave it in minimap-style graphics at high zooms |
| 19:54.04 | Primer | I'm guessing the author of TomTom and Lightheaded has some gripe with curse... |
| 19:54.11 | Toadkiller | I will have to finally move on to the kool stuff kids are using these days on monday. too lazy to test them on ptr |
| 19:54.28 | ShaneSveller | Primer: Cladhaire does LH, don't remember who did TomTom |
| 19:54.30 | Pkekyo| | did Castro die yet? |
| 19:54.37 | Primer | he did that too |
| 19:54.50 | Primer | hence, the "author", singular |
| 19:55.08 | Toadkiller | Fidel is finally dying or ur just living in Miami and hopefull? |
| 19:55.10 | ShaneSveller | Primer: doesn't he "work for" WowInt? |
| 19:55.17 | Primer | I don't know |
| 19:55.57 | Xinhuan | i sincerely hope patch isn't this coming tuesday |
| 19:56.06 | Primer | You know, I really liked it when JWU Just Worked™ |
| 19:56.12 | Xinhuan | but the following week instead |
| 19:56.21 | Sirow | Xin: why? |
| 19:56.35 | Xinhuan | because we all need more time |
| 19:56.46 | Primer | Blizz needs more time |
| 19:56.54 | Primer | but you don't see that stopping them :) |
| 19:56.56 | Xinhuan | 1. wowace transition still needs work 2. i need more time to get T3 ring 3. addons still need wrath work |
| 19:56.57 | Toadkiller | what is lightheaded, searching for it brings up 146 random mods... |
| 19:57.16 | NeoTron | Toadkiller: you search bad |
| 19:57.18 | Xinhuan | its a mod that makes you lightheaded |
| 19:57.26 | Sirow | *giggles* |
| 19:57.38 | Xinhuan | also you should always search with extra keywords like "warcraft" "addon" |
| 19:57.39 | NeoTron | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7017-LightHeaded.html exactly one hit on wowinterface |
| 19:57.40 | Xinhuan | :p |
| 19:57.43 | Sirow | search wowinterface |
| 19:57.50 | Toadkiller | patch has to hit monday so they have a month to fix balance and general bugs |
| 19:57.58 | NeoTron | essentially it's wowhead-comments-in-game |
| 19:57.59 | Xinhuan | wrong |
| 19:58.11 | Xinhuan | patch is highly likely to hit 1 week after end of season |
| 19:58.19 | Xinhuan | because of a lot of issues with end of season rewards |
| 19:58.25 | Xinhuan | and you don't want to overwork GMs |
| 19:58.29 | ShaneSveller | Xinhuan: one of the blues said somewhere the season ends WITH 3.0 |
| 19:58.31 | Toadkiller | NeoTron: TRUE, i SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO USE SOME SITES CUSTOM SEARCH |
| 19:58.39 | Toadkiller | bleh |
| 19:58.46 | NeoTron | Toadkiller: obviously since it was commented on above that it's on wowi |
| 19:58.51 | Xinhuan | no heh, that is just an assumption |
| 19:58.57 | NeoTron | http://www.google.com/search?q=lightheaded+addon&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 19:59.01 | Toadkiller | lol, ok in that case I read bad |
| 19:59.02 | NeoTron | OMG THAT WAS SO HARD |
| 19:59.06 | NeoTron | really. feeling lucky would have worked |
| 19:59.12 | Trela | tries to fancefully use one function for all toggle options. |
| 19:59.32 | NeoTron | all first page hits was related to the one addon discussed here |
| 20:00.44 | Repo | 10dhud2: 03Arcanefoam 042.0Alpha * r49 : DHUD2: |
| 20:00.45 | Repo | -Corrected the externals reference to the new wowace model |
| 20:00.52 | NeoTron | even more funny, just searching for "lightheaded" gives the first right hit |
| 20:01.38 | Sirow | don't use google, that's unfair! :P |
| 20:01.59 | Toadkiller | yeah dont u get paid to use msn search? |
| 20:02.26 | NeoTron | http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=lightheaded&FORM=MSNH11 |
| 20:02.33 | NeoTron | attempt to funny failed |
| 20:03.05 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03Azethoth * r597 AutoBar.toc: AutoBar : |
| 20:03.05 | Repo | -- trigger pkg? |
| 20:03.06 | Repo | 10test-alpha: 03ckknight * r26 TestAlpha.lua: Fake commit |
| 20:03.28 | NeoTron | http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=lightheaded&kgs=1&kls=0 third hit, http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=lightheaded&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8 2nd hit :P |
| 20:04.09 | Megalon | obvious troll is .. obvious |
| 20:04.13 | Megalon | hi Toadkiller! |
| 20:04.14 | Toadkiller | well that certainly proves that they suck compared to google |
| 20:04.29 | Toadkiller | hi megalon |
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| 20:05.20 | NeoTron | no news there |
| 20:05.33 | ShaneSveller | Xinhuan: Eyonix said S4 basically ends with 3.0.2: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10532279197&sid=1 and Neth said S4 ends 10-14: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10535470483&sid=1 circumstantial and subject to change, i'll admit |
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| 20:05.37 | Toadkiller | cncfanatics: soooo ... have you translated your stuff to 3.0? |
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| 20:06.40 | Repo | 10visualheal: 03xbeeps * r4 Libs/: Deleted Libs folder (handled by .pkgmeta now) |
| 20:07.40 | Xinhuan | ShaneSveller: you take eyonix's words out of context |
| 20:08.04 | Trela | showOnScreen = { |
| 20:08.04 | Trela | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.05 | Trela | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.05 | Trela | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.05 | Trela | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.05 | Trela | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.07 | Trela | }, |
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| 20:08.16 | Xinhuan | actually nvm |
| 20:08.23 | ShaneSveller | "For starters, the current arena season will end in respect to the ladder upon the release of our next major patch." unless "next major patch" is ambiguous, i don't think i'm too far off |
| 20:08.24 | nevcairiel | Trela: please dont post code in the channel, use pastey.net or something like that |
| 20:08.25 | Trela | Is there a way to use get/set as a function or point to a custom function? |
| 20:08.50 | ShaneSveller | Trela: get = function() .. end |
| 20:08.50 | Xinhuan | yes, just use the function |
| 20:08.52 | Toadkiller | it is only ending in terms of the end of season awards |
| 20:08.57 | Xinhuan | get = somefunc, |
| 20:09.12 | Toadkiller | team progress continues as well as buying until the expansion at which time it wipes & s5 starts... |
| 20:09.29 | Trela | I did that and it yelled at me. *Tries again.* |
| 20:09.30 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller: not atm |
| 20:09.35 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller: I stopped playing for a while |
| 20:09.38 | Repo | 10visualheal: 03xbeeps * r5 : Added local directory "Libs" to ignore list |
| 20:09.39 | Xinhuan | notice i didn't put () |
| 20:09.48 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller: I'll get to it eventualy |
| 20:09.53 | Xinhuan | because you want to assign a function to .get |
| 20:10.00 | Xinhuan | not assign the results of the function call to .get |
| 20:10.05 | waallen | Is there a working version of Autobar for WOTLK? |
| 20:10.14 | Trela | Ah, I require an argument to it. |
| 20:10.26 | Trela | get = "GetToggle(flagRSP2TooltipLightModeCheck)", |
| 20:10.30 | Toadkiller | cncfanatics: good news, the state machine stuff got replaced with a usable system! |
| 20:10.54 | ShaneSveller | Trela: remove the quotes if you call the function that way |
| 20:11.09 | Xinhuan | also that won't work |
| 20:11.18 | Xinhuan | because get = GetToggle(flagRSP2TooltipLightModeCheck), |
| 20:11.22 | Trela | I had tried it both ways. |
| 20:11.25 | Xinhuan | will evaluate the function exactly once |
| 20:11.29 | Xinhuan | and never again |
| 20:11.45 | Xinhuan | if you did that, you are assigning the return value of the function to .get |
| 20:11.57 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller: ya :) |
| 20:11.59 | Xinhuan | you might as well have put get = 4 there |
| 20:12.03 | ShaneSveller | Xinhuan: so how would you go about doing something that way? i ran into this problem a few nights ago |
| 20:12.19 | Xinhuan | you put get = function() return GetToggle(flagRSP2TooltipLightModeCheck) end |
| 20:12.22 | cncfanatics | Toadkiller: my coding time is going to my university project atm :p |
| 20:12.28 | Xinhuan | the function gets called everytime |
| 20:12.34 | ShaneSveller | Xinhuan: ahhh |
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| 20:12.37 | Xinhuan | and it gives a updated return value everytime |
| 20:12.41 | Trela | function flagRSP2:GetToggle(option); return self.db.profile.option; end |
| 20:13.00 | Trela | Nice, that should work, I will try it. |
| 20:13.06 | Xinhuan | you can't use option in .option |
| 20:13.28 | Xinhuan | self.db.profile[info[#info]] is what you are looking for |
| 20:13.36 | Xinhuan | using ace3 right? |
| 20:13.40 | Trela | Rock |
| 20:13.47 | Xinhuan | ah well |
| 20:13.52 | Trela | is a defector. |
| 20:13.54 | Xinhuan | .option actually means ["option"] |
| 20:14.00 | Xinhuan | its not the same thing as [option] |
| 20:14.41 | Xinhuan | get = function(option) return self.db.profile[option] end |
| 20:15.02 | Xinhuan | you can't assign a function like function flagRSP2:GetToggle(option); return self.db.profile.option; end to get because you used : notation |
| 20:15.26 | Xinhuan | lua will just throw you a big syntax error |
| 20:15.41 | ShaneSveller | also, wrt AceDB-3.0, are defaults evaluated on a line by line basis? The existing SV doesn't have this variable so set it to this? not just "the SVs are empty so insert the defaults"? |
| 20:16.13 | Xinhuan | ShaneSveller: the defaults table is used if the corresponding value is nil in the db |
| 20:16.16 | Toadkiller | switch to local GetToggle(option) ... imo |
| 20:16.24 | Toadkiller | *local function |
| 20:16.29 | ShaneSveller | Xinhuan: ok, that was how I understood it |
| 20:16.44 | ShaneSveller | Xinhuan: so SVs only store values differing from the defaults table? |
| 20:16.48 | Repo | 10visualheal: 03xbeeps 047.0 * r6 : Tagging as 7.0. |
| 20:16.52 | Xinhuan | it doesn't set the value in the db |
| 20:17.06 | Xinhuan | it just reads the corresponding value in the defaults table if its nil |
| 20:17.09 | Xinhuan | via a metatable |
| 20:17.21 | Xinhuan | so it remains nil until explicitly set |
| 20:17.33 | Xinhuan | on logout, it checks if this valus is equal to the defaults table, if it is, nil it |
| 20:17.34 | ShaneSveller | alrighty |
| 20:18.11 | Trela | Thank you. :3 |
| 20:19.29 | ShaneSveller | For AceConfig, if i have an entry in my options that has name set and type = group, but args is just {}, can i later say options.whatever.args[something] = { blahblahblah } as long as I do it before the RegisterOptionsTable() call? |
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| 20:20.51 | ShaneSveller | i tried it that way and it didn't seem effective, but i don't remember if i was doing what Trela was doing above at the time |
| 20:21.18 | Trela | I am just trying to make a bajillion Get/Set functions into one stream lined function. |
| 20:21.33 | ShaneSveller | yeah, that was my intent |
| 20:21.42 | backbone87 | ShaneSveller: you need to get the option table from AceConfigRegistry |
| 20:22.19 | ShaneSveller | backbone87: I was adjusting the local before i registered it with AceConfig though |
| 20:22.35 | backbone87 | or if you register your options as a function returning the table, you can edit the returned table |
| 20:23.46 | backbone87 | if you pass the options as table, they are copied or wrapped or something else |
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| 20:29.32 | backbone87 | Shane, http://ace.pastey.net/97775 you can edit addon.t now anytime, but it is reloaded (repainted) every time a action is done, you may have to call LibStub("AceConfigRegistry-3.0"):NotifyChange("addon") to repaint it manually (i hope, didn't tried) |
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| 20:31.52 | JensRex | Will 3.0 patch go live before TBC? |
| 20:32.13 | backbone87 | tbc? |
| 20:32.29 | JensRex | Blah... |
| 20:32.32 | backbone87 | but before wotlk: yes |
| 20:32.36 | backbone87 | they told so |
| 20:32.58 | NeoTron | best bet for 3.0 seems to be in a week |
| 20:32.59 | JensRex | Just wondering if it had already. My account is expired and I don't care to activate it before exp. |
| 20:33.16 | NeoTron | possibly two |
| 20:33.37 | Facktotum | Major Glyph of Bacon confirmed by a blue |
| 20:33.58 | JensRex | Every time I get sick of WoW, Blizzard does something interesting. It's like crack. |
| 20:34.25 | JensRex | I should nuke my account and set my VISA card on fire. |
| 20:35.08 | Sirow | or give me yur visa, same result |
| 20:35.16 | NeoTron | JensRex: don't do it! then you'll just be forced to buy gamecards instead |
| 20:35.37 | JensRex | Yea, and that means I'll have to go outside. |
| 20:36.59 | JensRex | When I quit WoW last summer, I found my current GF within a few weeks. Interesting coincidence. |
| 20:37.14 | JensRex | Then I started playing again later, and then she bugged me to set her up with an account. |
| 20:37.31 | Fisker- | Then i set her up an account and we lived happily ever after |
| 20:37.31 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 20:37.41 | Silviu- | ;)) |
| 20:38.10 | waallen | [2008/10/08 22:31:26-267-x1]: AceOO-2.0-82169 (AutoBar):734: AceComm-2.0: AceComm-2.0 requires AceEvent-2.0 | Shouldn't this mean that AceEvent cannot be found? |
| 20:38.31 | JensRex | The evening I set her up a trial account, she was up all night playing. Still playing when I woke up the next morning. |
| 20:38.42 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 20:38.57 | Toadkiller | she became haggard and stinky from lack of washing so I broke upo with her |
| 20:39.08 | JensRex | "Come to bed dear. > Wait, I'm about to level!" |
| 20:39.15 | waallen | It's in \libs and in Ace2 as well though |
| 20:41.09 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 06wotlk-branch * r923 / (6 files in 3 directories): Dataminer update, all lookup tables are now sorted by ID |
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| 20:45.37 | Vulcanus | timestamp check |
| 20:45.50 | Xinhuan | pass |
| 20:46.10 | Vulcanus | Think me and ye olde Kael might have fixed the forum login ;p |
| 20:46.25 | Xinhuan | what was the problem? |
| 20:46.28 | cncfanatics | omg |
| 20:46.29 | Vulcanus | sessions |
| 20:46.31 | cncfanatics | we wiped in BT |
| 20:46.31 | Vulcanus | or lack thereof |
| 20:46.33 | cncfanatics | damn bloodboil |
| 20:46.47 | Xinhuan | whats your forum nick? |
| 20:47.05 | Repo | 10big-wigs: 03Rabbit * r4756 Plugins/BossBlock.lua: Comment out some debug statements. |
| 20:47.19 | Vulcanus | *cough* Belazor |
| 20:47.28 | Xinhuan | ok i guessed that |
| 20:47.42 | Xinhuan | why do you use a different nick here and there? |
| 20:47.59 | Vulcanus | iono, my main in WoW is called Vulcanus |
| 20:48.04 | Vulcanus | Ill change it for this channel, sec |
| 20:48.49 | Belazor | I think I can fairly certainly say it works now ;o |
| 20:49.04 | Belazor | now we can return to the default 15 minute session timeout to un-clutter WOL XD |
| 20:49.15 | AckisWork | ~api UnitClass |
| 20:49.16 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitClass |
| 20:49.24 | Xinhuan | i haven't actually encountered a white page yet |
| 20:49.28 | Xinhuan | so i dunno lol! |
| 20:49.59 | Xinhuan | You have entered an invalid username or password. Please press the back button, enter the correct details and try again. Don't forget that the password is case sensitive. Forgotten your password? Click here! |
| 20:50.06 | Xinhuan | forum redirected logins still fail |
| 20:50.26 | nevcairiel | You're still not supposed to use the forum login form =P |
| 20:50.39 | Xinhuan | ~_~ |
| 20:50.40 | purl | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 20:50.50 | Xinhuan | maybe put in a proper error message or something then |
| 20:51.05 | nevcairiel | it could easily just redirect to the proper page |
| 20:51.09 | nevcairiel | but someone just has to do that |
| 20:51.14 | Belazor | nah the thing is, we had to disable the script that overrides vB login form |
| 20:51.21 | Belazor | we will fix that before the end of the weekend |
| 20:51.31 | Belazor | else we couldnt get into the admincp lol |
| 20:51.36 | Belazor | and then we'd be royally fucked XD |
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| 20:52.57 | Xinhuan | i haven't actually tried yet, but does the forums now support linking wowhead items with the tooltips? |
| 20:54.33 | nevcairiel | probably not, its not like its necessary for a addon dev forum |
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| 20:55.08 | NeoTron | if anything it'd support wowdb seeing how wowdb is curse and wowhead is not |
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| 20:56.35 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 06wotlk-branch * r924 AckisRecipeList.lua: |
| 20:56.36 | Repo | Add a few more filter logic functions, class and speciality specifically, I think those are the last of the hard filters, rest are soft filters |
| 20:57.04 | Xinhuan | soft filter? |
| 20:58.05 | backbone87 | *throw* http://www.wowace.com/projects/ace3/tickets/4-ace-config-dynamic-creation-of-args/ |
| 20:59.21 | Dashkal | wowdb does support it so if there's a need you could always file a ticket asking for support to be added to wowace/curseforge |
| 21:01.37 | Xinhuan | backbone87: you can use disabled= or guiHidden= to hide options |
| 21:01.55 | Xinhuan | so if Relative positioning is active, you hide the other tree of args from view |
| 21:02.00 | Xinhuan | and vice versa |
| 21:02.09 | Xinhuan | its a lot simpler ;p |
| 21:03.13 | backbone87 | that is simlar like the posted use cases |
| 21:03.38 | backbone87 | instead of set another table, set an option in the table, some problems |
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| 21:04.31 | Xinhuan | except you don't need getpos or setpos, you just do disabled=function() return db.relative end |
| 21:04.42 | Xinhuan | on one tree and disabled=function() return not db.relative end |
| 21:04.44 | Xinhuan | on the other tree |
| 21:05.06 | Xinhuan | or hidden= if you prefer that over disabled= |
| 21:05.08 | backbone87 | hmmm |
| 21:06.07 | Xinhuan | so you only show one of the 2 trees depending on another checkbox |
| 21:06.17 | Xinhuan | which controls db.relative |
| 21:06.35 | backbone87 | other case: i have a tree view on the left hand side, the nodes are dynamically (are user created and deleted) |
| 21:06.55 | Xinhuan | ah that's a bit more complicated |
| 21:07.00 | Xinhuan | i have addons with that as well |
| 21:07.35 | Xinhuan | i simply have a function that builds arg tables and generate the tree |
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| 21:07.54 | backbone87 | mine does it actually, too, but now i face the problem that i need to do that not only on the "root" level, but altough at "root"+1 level |
| 21:08.14 | Xinhuan | same thing, use another function to generate the sublevel |
| 21:08.17 | Xinhuan | i did the same |
| 21:08.30 | Xinhuan | since root -> zone -> item in zone |
| 21:08.49 | backbone87 | yeah but this is hugh memory waste if the tables are big enough |
| 21:09.21 | backbone87 | i know "dont care about it is a configuration tool" |
| 21:10.03 | backbone87 | but if you have around 100 tables with 10-20 options in it, that is a little bit |
| 21:10.31 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 06wotlk-branch * r925 / (3 files in 1 directory): |
| 21:10.31 | Repo | Add all the obtain methods to the filters, wondering if there's an easier way to do this opposed to a bunch of code copied and pasted. |
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| 21:11.31 | backbone87 | root -> firstlvlnodes -> secondlvlnodes <- actually i share the option table for the first level nodes and would like to do it on the second lvl too |
| 21:11.49 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 06wotlk-branch * r926 AckisRecipeList.lua: Fix a few comments for the newly added filters. |
| 21:11.53 | Xinhuan | then take out that option table into a filescope local |
| 21:11.59 | Xinhuan | and assign it |
| 21:12.12 | Xinhuan | multiple levels can access the same option table |
| 21:12.47 | backbone87 | yeah but the count and of the secondlvl nodes are different for different first lvl nodes |
| 21:12.47 | Xinhuan | for example, if you constantly find yourself using |
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| 21:13.31 | magma | anyone use cancellation? |
| 21:13.58 | magma | to autocancel buffs ... like, oh maybe misdirect? |
| 21:14.14 | Xinhuan | oh well |
| 21:14.14 | magma | or salv for tanks |
| 21:15.24 | magma | the accompanying documentation is essentially useless, and I can't quite figure out how to set it up =/ |
| 21:15.38 | magma | guess I'll have to dig into the code |
| 21:15.41 | backbone87 | bu.options.args.templates.plugins.templates[templateName] = createTemplateOptions(templateName) |
| 21:16.12 | backbone87 | Xinhuan: createTemplateOptions returns the same table every time <- this part works |
| 21:17.06 | backbone87 | but i need to display an additional node lvl below |
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| 21:17.51 | backbone87 | where the content depends on "templateName" |
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| 21:19.20 | kolie | sup party people. |
| 21:19.31 | kolie | Who wants alpha/beta/release distinction in the CC :) |
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| 21:20.10 | fewyn | what kolie? |
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| 21:20.25 | kolie | The CC, you know how it installs only releases? |
| 21:20.38 | backbone87 | Xinhuan: args / plugins as functions would simplify it, of course it is possible without it |
| 21:20.46 | fewyn | it does? |
| 21:20.58 | ShaneSveller | fewyn: he means tagged releases |
| 21:20.58 | fewyn | there should be a way to allow alpha and betas then |
| 21:21.03 | fewyn | i tend to use them |
| 21:21.04 | nevcairiel | kolie: i want it to never ever ever ever install alphas, can has? |
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| 21:21.28 | fewyn | and it would be a lot easier than mucking about with the website every time i want to install one |
| 21:21.35 | kolie | nevcairiel: you can tell it release/beta and it will never install an alpha, UNLESS a project ONLY has alphas ever. |
| 21:21.45 | nevcairiel | kolie: not for myself |
| 21:21.48 | nevcairiel | for everyone |
| 21:22.20 | fewyn | like have an option on right click says "only install releases" "only install releases/beta" "install alphas/beta/releases" |
| 21:22.20 | ShaneSveller | nevcairiel: certainly that should be disabled by default |
| 21:22.20 | kolie | It defaults to releases only. If a project ONLY has alpha releases, then the newest gets plugged in. |
| 21:22.35 | kolie | The theory is, if you say INSTALL THIS ADDON!!!! and it only has alphas, you probably wanted it. |
| 21:22.48 | nevcairiel | thats fine |
| 21:22.53 | kolie | Yea otherwise, only if u specify. |
| 21:22.59 | nevcairiel | but i just dont want people screaming about broken trunk releases |
| 21:23.04 | fewyn | should be an option to specify how you want it to download |
| 21:23.05 | kolie | There is a global option, and an individual option. |
| 21:23.08 | nevcairiel | because they think they are cool and use alpha |
| 21:23.14 | fewyn | just have it as defaulting to releases |
| 21:23.18 | kolie | It does. |
| 21:23.28 | fewyn | then make the options! |
| 21:23.28 | fewyn | gogo |
| 21:23.33 | kolie | ok time me. |
| 21:23.37 | kolie | Starting... now. |
| 21:23.41 | fewyn | starts the clock |
| 21:23.57 | nevcairiel | Does it warn users in big fat letters if they enable alpha? |
| 21:24.01 | kolie | http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.0.0.14.exe |
| 21:24.03 | kolie | Done. |
| 21:24.14 | fewyn | yay |
| 21:24.17 | ShaneSveller | kolie: lol |
| 21:24.25 | fewyn | that was a world record kolie! |
| 21:24.53 | kolie | Only a WORLD record? Damn aliens. |
| 21:24.54 | fewyn | i'm only currently messing with CC for my beta ui, hopefully next week i can start using it full time |
| 21:24.59 | Xinhuan | you should just show all versions |
| 21:25.18 | ShaneSveller | kolie: is there a changelog up anywhere for my perusal as i sit in class? |
| 21:25.19 | Xinhuan | because many of those addons are likely to have a release that is 1 year old and then 12 months of alpahas after ;p |
| 21:25.26 | kolie | Oh btw. |
| 21:25.30 | kolie | Thats a test setup. |
| 21:25.37 | kolie | Not an actual release. |
| 21:25.49 | kolie | Yes changelog, 2.0.0.13 already has it I thought. |
| 21:26.03 | kolie | Oh |
| 21:26.06 | kolie | You meant like what I did. |
| 21:26.15 | kolie | I prolly broke alot of shit is what I did. |
| 21:26.44 | ShaneSveller | haha |
| 21:26.52 | ShaneSveller | i just wanted a generalized "diff" from .13 |
| 21:27.01 | kolie | uhm let me check svn for mods one sec. |
| 21:27.26 | kolie | This commit says I reverted a few beers... |
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| 21:27.53 | ShaneSveller | kolie: does it show version numbers instead of dates yet? |
| 21:28.00 | Xinhuan | if only beers are revertable irl lol |
| 21:28.02 | kolie | It always showed version numbers. |
| 21:28.52 | ShaneSveller | kolie: in the listing, not hte detail panel |
| 21:29.15 | kolie | I cant show version there, some versions are 20+ characters, no room, not standardized, not sortable. |
| 21:29.37 | kolie | Get the community to agree on a versioning scheme and I might. |
| 21:30.47 | Facktotum | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/2921978491_ee7318951c.jpg?v=0 |
| 21:32.13 | Jagannath | What happened to the WoWAceUpdater? |
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| 21:32.47 | ulic | Jagannath: it went the way of the dodo. |
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| 21:33.01 | kolie | It went catatonic. |
| 21:33.04 | Belazor | i made u an aceupdater... but i eated it. |
| 21:33.05 | Jagannath | :o |
| 21:33.11 | Jagannath | Aww. =( |
| 21:33.16 | Jagannath | Was it tasty at least? |
| 21:33.23 | Belazor | noms |
| 21:33.31 | Jagannath | =( x2 |
| 21:34.06 | Fisker- | only idiots buy stock in banks anyways! |
| 21:34.27 | Jagannath | Lol. |
| 21:34.46 | ShaneSveller | man, i hate it when the campus DNS/Squid box craps itself. thank god for screen+irssi |
| 21:34.48 | Daemona | grumbles |
| 21:34.49 | Jagannath | But seriously, it's just gone? I think I remember hearing something about merging with curse's client? |
| 21:34.59 | Daemona | why is the fucking world server always crashing |
| 21:35.01 | Facktotum | thats what happened |
| 21:35.08 | Facktotum | there is now a curse client |
| 21:35.09 | Daemona | when i decide i want to run a combatlog on a dummy over night ... |
| 21:35.16 | Jagannath | That doesn't suck? |
| 21:35.26 | Fisker- | reports Daemona for afk'ing |
| 21:35.37 | Daemona | ~lart Fisker- |
| 21:35.37 | purl | duct-tapes Fisker- to the floor and drools on him |
| 21:35.51 | Facktotum | Jagannath: i would try it out before saying that |
| 21:35.51 | Fisker- | pukes all over purl |
| 21:35.59 | fewyn | ~lart Belazor |
| 21:35.59 | purl | crushes Belazor with a full height scsi disk |
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| 21:36.05 | kolie | This is a prerelease test copy : http://static.curseforge.net/client/CurseSetup-2.0.0.14.exe CHANGELOG: http://rafb.net/p/2vn88S51.html |
| 21:36.07 | Belazor | your respective mothers |
| 21:36.11 | Raegx | mmm wo this wowmatrix site any word? |
| 21:36.12 | kolie | Changelog 4 u :) |
| 21:36.14 | Fisker- | ~kiss kolie |
| 21:36.14 | purl | ACTION forces kolie to give Aeyan a big kiss on the forehead |
| 21:36.17 | ShaneSveller | kolie: ty |
| 21:36.22 | Tinyboom | kolie: O.o *yay for bleeding edge again (enabling alpha) :D been waiting for that feature for a while... now for eta on non-embedded libs ;) |
| 21:36.30 | Jagannath | Well, I had tried their updater awhile ago and it wasn't very good. especially compared to the ace updater. |
| 21:36.31 | *** join/#wowace yoshimo (n=chatzill@p5B0C042E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:36.46 | Jagannath | Awhile ago = Almost a year? lol |
| 21:37.01 | Facktotum | nice kolie |
| 21:37.12 | nevcairiel | kolie: does one of the mean that it will remove a addon from my list if i manually delete it? =P |
| 21:37.31 | Fisker- | kolie |
| 21:37.33 | Fisker- | just a question |
| 21:37.40 | Fisker- | What if release is newer than alpha/beta? >:3 |
| 21:37.50 | Fisker- | and you've set it to prefer alpha |
| 21:37.51 | kolie | Deletion should be fixed in that one too. |
| 21:37.58 | ShaneSveller | wicked |
| 21:38.01 | kolie | It will get the newest one |
| 21:38.06 | Tinyboom | ~lart fisker |
| 21:38.06 | purl | crushes fisker with a full height scsi disk |
| 21:38.06 | kolie | IE release |
| 21:38.07 | Fisker- | awright |
| 21:38.25 | kolie | It gets the newest one, that isnt past the threshold. |
| 21:38.48 | dafire | full height scsi disk .. i wonder who has seen such one here :) |
| 21:38.50 | kolie | nevcairiel: No. Not yet. |
| 21:38.58 | Fisker- | giev some kind of indicator then btw |
| 21:39.20 | Tinyboom | kolie: activity window supposed to show anything yet? |
| 21:39.31 | kolie | Did you install anything? thats all that gets logged so far. |
| 21:39.38 | Tinyboom | kk |
| 21:39.43 | fewyn | nomnomnomnom... i toasted a bagel and put pb&j on it |
| 21:41.09 | Tinyboom | kolie: didn't list half the addons i just updated... and no changelog for addons in the summary yet i see :) |
| 21:41.09 | ShaneSveller | dafire: we have 15k scsis in our older servers at work |
| 21:41.23 | kolie | tinyboom, right click changelog? |
| 21:41.32 | dafire | any one knows esci ? |
| 21:41.54 | ShaneSveller | kolie: is there a way to wipe everything it's recognized and it have it start fresh with scanning my addons? besides deleting stuff in %APPDATA% or where the sqlite db is? |
| 21:42.23 | kolie | Delete the wowaddons.log in appdata\local\curseclient ;) |
| 21:42.28 | Tinyboom | kolie: i know, but missing a summary changelog like wau had when you updated a lot of addons, to know what changed, doing that manually is eww |
| 21:42.52 | Tinyboom | kolie: other than that it's getting better and better ;) |
| 21:43.20 | Tinyboom | kolie: as in what changed in the addons, not what addons got updated :) |
| 21:43.39 | Daemona | coldarra down? or just for me with all my toons in OG? |
| 21:45.02 | kolie | yea, tinyboom, you have to do it per addon. What I might do is in the uhh... activity log, have an http link to the changelog viewer. |
| 21:45.02 | Xinhuan | he means an actual changelog of each addon - or commit log since last update |
| 21:45.40 | kolie | Xinhuan : Right click change log provides every commity. |
| 21:45.44 | Tinyboom | last commit yes, thanks for the clarification Xinhuan:) |
| 21:46.11 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 21:46.13 | Tinyboom | Daemoen: down for me too, both on northrend and outland. |
| 21:46.40 | Xinhuan | what features are you currently trying to add/fix for next release? |
| 21:46.41 | Tinyboom | world server borked |
| 21:46.56 | kolie | Xinhuan, 2.0.0.14 is the next release. |
| 21:47.04 | Tinyboom | hehe |
| 21:47.14 | Tinyboom | what about 2.0.0.15 then ^^ |
| 21:47.23 | Xinhuan | that doesn't answer the question hehe |
| 21:47.52 | kolie | Im working on 2.0.0.14, the changes you you see in the changelog are the ones im working on. |
| 21:48.05 | Xinhuan | its really more of a "what are you working on next" question ;p |
| 21:48.23 | Tinyboom | we is hungry for even more info :) |
| 21:48.34 | kolie | I don't really know what I;m going to be doing |
| 21:48.41 | kolie | I need to write an update script for the mac port. |
| 21:49.05 | kolie | Then I can port all the changes from 2.0.0.14 MS -> Mac |
| 21:49.13 | kolie | and probably do a larger beta of it. |
| 21:49.40 | kolie | Playing some eve... |
| 21:49.49 | kolie | Answer some tickets. |
| 21:49.52 | kolie | The usual. |
| 21:50.25 | kolie | Trying to remove all the bugs from the windows version is really what im assigned to right now. |
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| 21:51.01 | Xinhuan | do you hate yourself for picking up the CC project hehe |
| 21:51.12 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 06wotlk-branch * r927 / (2 files in 1 directory): Added filtering for weapon and armor types |
| 21:52.02 | ShaneSveller | kolie: have you looked at that google mac updater project? or just Sparkle or whatever the hot update framework is called |
| 21:52.12 | Xinhuan | ackis, you're not going to come up with some massive 100-checkbox UI for search/filter are you? |
| 21:52.32 | kolie | ShaneSveller: I have, our needs are pretty specific though. |
| 21:52.52 | kolie | And im not about to dick around in xcode more then I have to. |
| 21:53.26 | Facktotum | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cooldown-count-for-wo-w-2-4.aspx |
| 21:53.31 | *** join/#wowace Inc` (n=mgast@pool-71-252-242-182.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:53.43 | Facktotum | why does this crap shows as recommended on CC |
| 21:54.00 | kolie | What addon was it recommending for. |
| 21:54.30 | Facktotum | CooldownCount |
| 21:54.52 | kolie | They both are cooldowncount probably is why, the one with higher ratings shows up on top |
| 21:55.05 | Facktotum | updated 5 months ago? |
| 21:55.22 | kolie | Several addons older then that work without modification, and it looks like its rating is higher, yea |
| 21:56.14 | kolie | Cooldown count has a popularity of 266, ( the one you dont want). The one you do is 96. |
| 21:56.20 | nevcairiel | i should remove that and merge it into the wowace projects |
| 21:56.21 | kolie | So roughly 3x more people use the other one. |
| 21:56.26 | nevcairiel | its more up to date anyway |
| 21:56.53 | ShaneSveller | kolie: understandable wrt xcode, but at least it's not visual studio... |
| 21:57.14 | kolie | I wish xcode was visual studio. |
| 21:58.02 | Facktotum | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cooldown-count.aspx |
| 21:58.36 | kolie | XCodes complete sucks, I hate its project file layout, I hate the whole targets/crap. Just let me specify what libs to link with, let me specify sub projects, and what their output type is. The debugger integration is next to worthless... |
| 21:59.03 | nevcairiel | Facktotum: i merged the two projects, please continue reporting errors like that, so we can iron it out :) |
| 22:00.49 | nevcairiel | now we just need curse.com to sync up again |
| 22:01.14 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03Azethoth * r598 AutoBar.toc: AutoBar : |
| 22:01.15 | Repo | -- tag test |
| 22:01.20 | Facktotum | should CC display a list of my addons like wau used to do |
| 22:01.40 | kolie | It should if scan addons at startup is enabled, and your wow directory is set correctly. |
| 22:01.42 | Repo | 10auto-bar: 03Azethoth 042.04.03.02 release * r599 : Tagging as 2.04.03.02 release. |
| 22:01.43 | Repo | Final pre 3.02 release |
| 22:02.36 | fewyn | anyone know any easy ways on windows to delete every .svn folder in all the folders under a certain directory? |
| 22:03.07 | nevcairiel | F2 -> search for .svn -> mark and delete |
| 22:03.14 | nevcairiel | or just use svn export |
| 22:03.58 | fewyn | ah the later worked a lot easier thanks nevcairiel |
| 22:04.10 | Toadkiller | on Vista I just have a saved search I apply to a folder I copy the entire mod to. (svn export was traditionally broken on vista) |
| 22:04.13 | magma | windows /cringe |
| 22:04.15 | Repo | 10prescription: 03Starinnia * r66 Prescription.lua: Prescription: tweak slash handler |
| 22:04.49 | magma | find . -name \.svn -type d -exec rm {} \; |
| 22:04.59 | Toadkiller | u cringing because you are a snobby mac person or just another ui ignorant linux user? |
| 22:05.16 | magma | s/\\// |
| 22:05.29 | magma | ui ignorant linux person I suppose |
| 22:05.31 | Toadkiller | <-- and yes im trolling while killing time waiting for the packager |
| 22:05.40 | ShaneSveller | Toadkiller: snobby/ignorant eh? pot, meet kettle. at least, that's how you come across with that statement. |
| 22:05.47 | magma | ^ |
| 22:05.55 | magma | I grew up on windows |
| 22:05.59 | magma | used to hate macs |
| 22:06.04 | magma | then I saw the light |
| 22:06.06 | Toadkiller | I grew up on macs |
| 22:06.21 | Toadkiller | but I like to play games... |
| 22:06.21 | magma | I stopped using windows when xp came out |
| 22:06.33 | magma | I don't play games |
| 22:06.36 | magma | only warcraft really |
| 22:06.39 | ShaneSveller | Mac: hey there, PC, whatcha doing? |
| 22:06.40 | break19 | We have 2 iBook G4s and an athlon 2000 |
| 22:06.43 | ShaneSveller | PC: playing a game |
| 22:06.46 | ShaneSveller | Mac: which one? |
| 22:06.50 | ShaneSveller | PC: any goddamn game i want |
| 22:06.53 | ShaneSveller | Mac: =( |
| 22:07.05 | Toadkiller | if u dont play games then mac is a really nice choice, assuming you have cash to burn / don't like to build your comp from scratch |
| 22:07.11 | kolie | I grew up on windows. I worked on Macs. I had a mac. I hate the mac. Not for me is all. |
| 22:07.27 | magma | I run linux. |
| 22:07.29 | kolie | Linux, I can appreciate however. |
| 22:07.36 | kadrahil | I have one of each system, mac, windows, and linux |
| 22:07.39 | kadrahil | I can use all 3 just fine |
| 22:07.39 | kolie | I tri boot win / lin / lin |
| 22:07.39 | magma | I use windows at work |
| 22:07.44 | magma | it is horribly unstable |
| 22:07.48 | magma | I use linux at home |
| 22:07.58 | magma | it is stable as a rock |
| 22:08.04 | break19 | Toadkiller: technically, mac's are cheaper than similarly-configured, PLUS software, brand name PCs |
| 22:08.19 | kolie | your anecdote of windows @ work being unstable really means nothing. |
| 22:08.28 | ShaneSveller | I run OSX/XP on my macbook for visual studio, Hardy/Vista x64 on my desktop, and Hardy x64 on my home server |
| 22:08.31 | magma | kolie, why is that? |
| 22:08.35 | Toadkiller | every 5 years I check out *nix to see if they have a clue about GUI yet. So far I am disapointed. |
| 22:08.37 | kolie | It proves nothing? |
| 22:08.45 | nevcairiel | my windows never crashes |
| 22:08.49 | magma | it proves that my experience with windows is bad. |
| 22:08.50 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 22:08.56 | kolie | My laptop has a 200 day windows boot going on it. |
| 22:08.58 | break19 | <- uses xp home sp3 on the athlon2k, which only crashes when I try to make it do so |
| 22:09.04 | magma | therefore, due to my experience, I do not like windows. |
| 22:09.10 | Toadkiller | You need a more hardcore video card with bad drivers then nevcairiel |
| 22:09.13 | break19 | oh, did anyone else's server crash, or just mine? :( |
| 22:09.23 | nevcairiel | Toadkiller: i only buy quality hardware |
| 22:09.26 | Toadkiller | all the internets crashed... |
| 22:09.28 | kolie | Toadkiller: I have a 9800 gx2 at home with beta drivers, they didnt crash me even. |
| 22:09.31 | break19 | Toadkiller: blame the hardware, not the software :) |
| 22:09.41 | magma | lol |
| 22:09.50 | nevcairiel | its mostly the drivers fault |
| 22:09.56 | magma | drivers are software |
| 22:10.01 | nevcairiel | but i still didnt encounter that for a looong while |
| 22:10.06 | Toadkiller | Dunno, apparently 60% of vista bsods are nVidia drivers crashing,,, |
| 22:10.18 | magma | I get explorer crashing all the time |
| 22:10.21 | magma | no bsods |
| 22:10.25 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 06wotlk-branch * r928 AckisRecipeList.lua: Added remaining filtering functions |
| 22:10.30 | break19 | Toadkiller: exactly.. nvidia drivers suck BAD as of late |
| 22:10.31 | magma | on my xp install, I can't even install updates |
| 22:10.40 | magma | and this is a legit retail machine |
| 22:10.40 | nevcairiel | break19: didnt have any issue, ever |
| 22:10.52 | break19 | nev: xp or vista? |
| 22:10.56 | nevcairiel | vista |
| 22:11.09 | break19 | and you're stable with nvidia? hrmph |
| 22:11.19 | nevcairiel | absolutely |
| 22:11.32 | Stanzilla | my graphics driver on vista crashes very often |
| 22:11.33 | break19 | the main reason I haven't made the plunge is the reports I've read of nvidia stuff goin nuts on vista. |
| 22:11.36 | Stanzilla | but that doesnt crash the os |
| 22:11.40 | Toadkiller | I recently switched to Radeon HD 4870 x2. Now I get 60fps on my 2560x1600 30# mac monitor. Its nice. |
| 22:11.57 | break19 | 30 pound? damn that sucker's light. |
| 22:12.00 | magma | lol |
| 22:12.02 | Facktotum | yeah the radeon hd series are nice |
| 22:12.14 | Toadkiller | lol 30" |
| 22:12.21 | kolie | break19: Ive seen the reports, but havent experienced them. |
| 22:12.26 | Toadkiller | 30 pounds sounds more like the old crt |
| 22:12.48 | nevcairiel | I really don't get how people get their system to be that unstable, i really never had any stability issues since XP or so, which is already a few years now ;) |
| 22:12.52 | break19 | not if it supports 2560x1600, it'd be more like 150lbs :) |
| 22:13.02 | Tinyboom | break19: what nvidia stuff? |
| 22:13.04 | kolie | nevcairiel: windows 2000 was just as stable too |
| 22:13.05 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 06wotlk-branch * r929 / (2 files in 1 directory): Add shield to config and defaults |
| 22:13.05 | magma | nevcairiel, we don't do anything special, it comes that way. |
| 22:13.15 | magma | windows 2000 was a decent OS. |
| 22:13.21 | magma | xp too |
| 22:13.31 | magma | vista is garbage |
| 22:13.36 | Toadkiller | haha actually my tv is 42" crt. The glass is so heavy u need 2 peeps to move it and you basically carry it around by its front |
| 22:13.41 | Tinyboom | always using latest beta of nvidia drivers on vista x64, no crash caused by nvidia yet ^^ |
| 22:13.49 | kolie | Server 2008 is far from garbage... |
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| 22:14.10 | magma | keep in mind, I'm MCSE certified, so I know my way around windows |
| 22:14.11 | Toadkiller | Mmm, I should try out vista64 next time I rebuild. |
| 22:14.19 | Facktotum | how can you say vista is garbage? |
| 22:14.28 | magma | very definitively. |
| 22:14.41 | nevcairiel | Vista isnt what it could be, but its not garbage |
| 22:14.50 | break19 | vista isn't garbage honestly.. vista is what windows -should- have been in the first place, just that now that it's so much different from the old "windows" feel, everyone hates it |
| 22:14.50 | magma | well our opinions differe |
| 22:14.52 | magma | that's fine |
| 22:15.03 | magma | that's not why I hate it |
| 22:15.08 | magma | I hate it because it's unstable |
| 22:15.21 | nevcairiel | not for me, so no hate here :D |
| 22:15.24 | Tinyboom | magma: then you are doing something wrong |
| 22:15.33 | magma | =/ |
| 22:15.37 | Toadkiller | Well I do like vista better than xp. My only issue is I want a way to tell who the hell is wasting my time at startup loading crap I dont need. When the desktop shows up, everything needs to shut the hell up so I can start launching stuff I actually care about. |
| 22:15.37 | nevcairiel | vista x64 has been rock solid since day1 |
| 22:15.39 | magma | I beg to differ |
| 22:15.47 | selckin | most people just repeat what they hear |
| 22:15.49 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 06wotlk-branch * r930 AckisRecipeList.toc: Update ToC |
| 22:16.02 | Tinyboom | vista is more stable than xp, end of discussion ^^ |
| 22:16.13 | magma | linux is more stable than both. |
| 22:16.17 | Tinyboom | true |
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| 22:16.19 | nevcairiel | i never used vista32, maybe it has issues :P |
| 22:16.40 | Stanzilla | <3 win7 |
| 22:16.41 | magma | if windows works well for you, by all means, use it. |
| 22:16.41 | Toadkiller | yeah if u have drivers for all your stuff, vista is solid as a rock. Even my nVidia driver crashes were only 1 or 2 times a month. |
| 22:16.46 | magma | it doesn't work for me, so I don't use it. |
| 22:16.47 | Tinyboom | nevcairiel: also just used vista64, not a single bsod unless i wanted it too :p |
| 22:16.51 | nevcairiel | the 64bit kernel was always a bit more stable |
| 22:16.54 | Repo | 10arl: 03Ackis 06wotlk-branch 04Beta2 * r931 : Tagging Beta 2 release of new ARL |
| 22:16.58 | magma | Toadkiller, vista doesn't blue screen on me |
| 22:17.01 | magma | explorer crashes. |
| 22:17.20 | Facktotum | Toadkiller: http://www.blackviper.com/WinXPx64/servicecfg.htm |
| 22:17.22 | Toadkiller | haha yeah but if explorer goes down it just comes right back up... |
| 22:17.33 | magma | but I lose all my open explorer windows |
| 22:17.40 | magma | and it's annoying |
| 22:17.48 | Toadkiller | do you use tortoise svn? |
| 22:17.50 | Stanzilla | magma: switch to the mode where it creates 1 process per window |
| 22:17.54 | magma | UAC is retarded too |
| 22:18.03 | Facktotum | disable uac |
| 22:18.08 | magma | I thought I did |
| 22:18.09 | Tinyboom | magma: uac is for retards :p |
| 22:18.13 | nevcairiel | UAC is fine for company PCs and all |
| 22:18.19 | nevcairiel | personally its the first thing i turn off |
| 22:18.36 | AckisWork | If anyone is interested, there's a new beta release of ARL (http://static.wowace.com/uploads/18/245/29/AckisRecipeList-wotlk-branch-Beta2.zip) which works on beta/wrath, complete rewrite including a complete new GUI by Zhinjio, it's in workable form right now |
| 22:18.43 | break19 | UAC is fine for average users, I would hazard a guess tho, that most of us in here are power users |
| 22:18.44 | Toadkiller | i like uac. It makes meatheads think twice about loading crap on my comp while they "check email" or whatnot |
| 22:18.56 | Stanzilla | mmm meat |
| 22:19.11 | magma | nevcairiel, I made every effort to disable it when I first got this pc as well |
| 22:19.15 | magma | but it's still there |
| 22:19.34 | Tinyboom | Toadkiller: or you get a second computer and tell people to stay the hell away from yours :p |
| 22:19.34 | Stanzilla | run - msconfig - tools |
| 22:19.36 | nevcairiel | it never annoyed me again after i turned it off |
| 22:19.39 | Stanzilla | disable |
| 22:19.40 | kolie | Every effort? diable uac :) |
| 22:19.41 | Stanzilla | restart |
| 22:19.41 | Stanzilla | done |
| 22:19.44 | kolie | yea.. |
| 22:20.00 | kolie | Or make them a limited acct. |
| 22:20.10 | kolie | My GF has been using it for months, no clue shes on a limited acct. |
| 22:20.18 | Tinyboom | lol |
| 22:20.30 | Toadkiller | yeah butthen I have to enable password for when I walk away from comp and other annoyances |
| 22:20.34 | magma | ok, we'll see how that works |
| 22:20.53 | break19 | I always make an account called "Click me" and give it limited access |
| 22:20.53 | kolie | ctrl-alt-delete lock comuter. |
| 22:21.10 | Tinyboom | win+L for fast lock :D |
| 22:21.23 | Repo | 10prescription: 03Starinnia * r67 Prescription.lua: |
| 22:21.24 | Repo | Prescription: fix bugs in chat filter and fix a DB creation bug |
| 22:21.51 | Toadkiller | I still like having it around so I get a big slap in the face if I try to open a jpg and instead it tries to install software or whatever the hell hackers come up with next... |
| 22:22.21 | break19 | Toadkiller: stop downloading pr0n |
| 22:22.30 | Toadkiller | Its like a 2 second ritual to let me know Vista is like "safe" |
| 22:22.55 | AckisWork | bye everyone, see you at blizzcon!!! :D :D :D ahahahahah |
| 22:23.29 | Toadkiller | omg, I did dl pron once. It took too much time undoing the retarded crap that sprayed all over the system with their "mandatory" downloaders |
| 22:24.10 | Repo | 10prescription: 03Starinnia * r68 / (2 files in 1 directory): Prescription: small tweak |
| 22:24.11 | Repo | 10prat-3-0: 03sylvanaar * r10 / (4 files in 3 directories): Updates for WIM-3.0 compatibility. |
| 22:24.35 | Toadkiller | The funniest shit was trying to fix my trainer at the gym's comp. U couldn't do jack shit on it it was so fucked up with malware |
| 22:25.13 | Toadkiller | IE would literally run at like 1 frame per 10 seconds. |
| 22:25.32 | Toadkiller | The popups were fighting each other |
| 22:26.37 | *** join/#wowace magma (i=magma@142.103.98.177) |
| 22:26.50 | magma | btw, I suspected that tortoisesvn was causing those explorer crashes |
| 22:27.00 | nevcairiel | thats possible |
| 22:27.01 | magma | and they seem to be much less frequent with the newest version |
| 22:27.03 | nevcairiel | tortoise is evil sometimes |
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| 22:27.58 | magma | I've kind of grown addicted to the customizability of linux now =/ |
| 22:28.24 | magma | awesome keybindings to do whatever I want |
| 22:28.27 | magma | easy programming |
| 22:28.37 | Diskmaster | magma: Which distro? |
| 22:28.39 | magma | gentoo |
| 22:28.55 | Dashkal | shudders |
| 22:28.58 | magma | lol |
| 22:29.02 | Diskmaster | was on gentoo for a few years, but he's on arch now |
| 22:29.17 | magma | the next time I reinstall, I'll probably go with ubuntu |
| 22:29.32 | magma | there's no real need to custom compile everything |
| 22:29.35 | Dashkal | I moved to Ubuntu from gentoo. Mostly because I was sick of waiting three hours for an OOo update or how if you dare to play with use flags your system reaches an uncompilable state after a couple months |
| 22:29.42 | magma | ^ |
| 22:30.06 | magma | I'm at a point right now where updates don't take long at all :) |
| 22:30.18 | Dashkal | There is one thing I very very much miss, however. I remember wanting to patch a game available and how easy it was to both source patch and still use the packaging system |
| 22:30.19 | magma | and don't require restarts |
| 22:30.24 | magma | (unlike windows) |
| 22:30.38 | Dashkal | "available via emerge" |
| 22:30.44 | Toadkiller | I will say this about the whole windows ecosystem though: they are retarded as hell about selection for cut copy paste, as well as how they do search. How ie has that retarded popup still in version 8 for search on the page is beyond me. |
| 22:30.48 | magma | I actually use paludis |
| 22:30.50 | Dashkal | Building .debs is a royal pain in the ass |
| 22:31.00 | Daemoen | wonders who it was that paged him |
| 22:31.14 | magma | writing ebuilds is nice and easy |
| 22:31.26 | Daemoen | hey guys, anyone know what addon is giving the debuff icon in the following png: http://ct-unlimited.com/misc/debuff.png |
| 22:31.37 | Dashkal | exactly. I wanted to do a quick patch of strategus for some reason. Forget now why. One line source patch, though. |
| 22:31.48 | Dashkal | on ubuntu I'd forget the deb and just custom-compile to manage it. |
| 22:31.53 | magma | heh |
| 22:32.39 | Facktotum | Daemoen: its too little screenshot to actually notice |
| 22:33.07 | magma | one primary reason I call vista utter garbage is because of all its deep built-in drm. |
| 22:33.25 | Daemoen | Facktotum, hrm... thats about what it looks like on my screen though, and i dont have many buffs and stuff right now |
| 22:33.33 | magma | but in all honesty, it hasn't affected me at all yet |
| 22:33.41 | Facktotum | do you have a list of your addons? |
| 22:33.48 | Toadkiller | damn blizzard and resetting the load mods checkbox each patch anyways... |
| 22:33.55 | ajmitch | Dashkal: can't say that I'd have many problems modifying a package quickly on ubuntu, but my system is setup for it |
| 22:34.00 | Daemoen | Facktotum: yeap, almost purely ace2. one sec |
| 22:34.28 | magma | you wine users have laggy mice with wow? |
| 22:34.38 | ajmitch | not that I've really noticed |
| 22:34.40 | Dashkal | ajmitch: I don't suppose you have a link to a reasonably current tutorial for building a deb given a deb source package? |
| 22:34.44 | magma | using opengl? |
| 22:34.59 | Dashkal | magma: only when I have my settings too high for my video card |
| 22:35.09 | magma | I have an 8800 gts =/ |
| 22:35.11 | CIA-59 | spew: 03Tekkub 07master * r3425fd9 10/ Spew.lua : Fix error with spewings that contain square brackets - http://is.gd/3JUo |
| 22:35.14 | CIA-59 | spew: 03Tekkub 07master * r1034f08 10/ Spew.lua : Don't escape out special chars like '\n' - http://is.gd/3JUp |
| 22:35.14 | magma | 1600x1200 should be fine. |
| 22:35.32 | ajmitch | Dashkal: probably just the ubuntu packaging guide, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide |
| 22:35.46 | ajmitch | magma: opengl, on a geforce 6600 |
| 22:35.53 | magma | mmmk |
| 22:36.00 | ajmitch | which should probably get replaced soonish |
| 22:36.04 | Daemoen | Facktotum: http://ct-unlimited.com/misc/addons.txt |
| 22:36.06 | magma | I don't see how you wouldn't notice it =/ |
| 22:36.16 | magma | have you played on both windows & linux? |
| 22:36.29 | Dashkal | ajmitch: Hmm, hadn't seen that before. danke |
| 22:36.30 | magma | and what window manager are you using? |
| 22:36.52 | ajmitch | yeah, but it's horribly slow on windows, since I've only got a laptop with an i915 |
| 22:36.53 | magma | I generally use compiz, but I get a laggy mouse with any window manager I've used |
| 22:37.01 | Dashkal | magma: nvidia 8600 (forget the suffix). Running kde 3.5/kwin |
| 22:37.31 | ajmitch | compiz will cause issues if it's not set to disable effects when running fullscreen 3d apps |
| 22:37.34 | Dashkal | Long as I remember the registry tweaks I find I suffer only a 10fps drop from windows |
| 22:37.55 | magma | if I run without opengl, the mouse works great, but then my framerates drop |
| 22:38.13 | Dashkal | opengl doesn't have a hardware cursor |
| 22:38.19 | magma | I know =( |
| 22:38.30 | Dashkal | So your mouse lag is very very dependent on your framerate. |
| 22:38.51 | Dashkal | cedega has somewhat better d3d support than vanilla wow. You may have better results going that route. |
| 22:38.52 | Daemoen | wonders if 65FPS on a laptop for linux is good with WoW |
| 22:39.17 | magma | ya, I've thought about it ... I have cedega, just not the time |
| 22:39.38 | Facktotum | Daemoen: the icon is the same as http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19813 |
| 22:39.40 | magma | I have an LCD, so 60fps should be my cap |
| 22:39.48 | magma | and that is generally what I get |
| 22:39.53 | magma | except on KJ |
| 22:40.00 | magma | it drops to like 10fps |
| 22:40.02 | Dashkal | erm? Cedega is pretty simple once you have it. I just haven't felt a need to pay for in on account of the fact that I still have a windows install to just use |
| 22:40.24 | Daemoen | Facktotum: yeah... im just trying to figure out which addon is doing this, one sec, ill take a full ss...... |
| 22:42.01 | Repo | 10bartender4: 03Nevcairiel 07wrath * 4.1.0-WotLK-Beta2-4-gf99404c / (11 files in 3 directories): [+2 commits] |
| 22:42.02 | Repo | f99404c: Added a Vertical MicroMenu option |
| 22:42.03 | Repo | 6d91f0f: Fixed width of the MicroMenu overlay |
| 22:43.04 | magma | I'm glad I found xkeymacs |
| 22:43.15 | magma | keeps me sane in a windows world |
| 22:44.00 | Daemoen | Facktotum: much larger picture: http://ct-unlimited.com/misc/full.png only thing you can see is stealth since its about all i have right now |
| 22:44.52 | Facktotum | no icon in this screenshot |
| 22:45.01 | Daemoen | wants to get rid of that and will replace it with EBB soon, but needs to figure out what the heck it is first. sure there is, just up left of the map |
| 22:45.03 | Daemoen | Stealth icon |
| 22:45.11 | Daemoen | top left corner of the map |
| 22:45.45 | Facktotum | what you mean? |
| 22:45.48 | nevcairiel | looks like default blizz buff icons =P |
| 22:46.03 | Daemoen | nevcairiel: wasnt sure, i havent seen blizzards since .... a LOOOONG time ago, lol |
| 22:46.09 | Daemoen | so i had no idea if thats what it was or not |
| 22:46.11 | Facktotum | yeah |
| 22:46.22 | Facktotum | its blizz buff icons |
| 22:46.26 | Daemoen | k. off to get ebb i go then, cuz those darned things arent moving, and its right in my way |
| 22:46.41 | Facktotum | there is an addon to move them |
| 22:46.47 | nevcairiel | I just got myself a tiny code snippet to move them to a sane place |
| 22:46.53 | nevcairiel | those buff bars take too much space |
| 22:46.55 | nevcairiel | imho anyway |
| 22:47.18 | Daemoen | can clean them up fairly nicely though |
| 22:47.33 | Daemoen | i just normally have them buff, debuff, and tracker one right next to the other, slimmed down |
| 22:47.57 | Facktotum | or get buffalo |
| 22:48.01 | Daemoen | buffalo? |
| 22:48.30 | Facktotum | http://www.wowace.com/projects/buffalo/ |
| 22:48.30 | Daemoen | buffalo or bufallo2 ;) |
| 22:48.41 | Daemoen | Facktotum: nodnod, im looking at it in jwu right now |
| 22:48.52 | Facktotum | buffalo2 was stopped |
| 22:48.59 | Daemoen | ahh |
| 22:50.03 | Daemoen | one of these days ill get to sit and take about 12 hours to create the layout with pitbull that i really want... just have to figure out why its broken first, lol |
| 22:50.19 | Facktotum | i suggest moving to embedded libs |
| 22:51.33 | Facktotum | waiting on 3.0 so i start creating a new UI |
| 23:05.36 | Daemoen | when is 3.0 scheduled for release? |
| 23:05.37 | Daemoen | :-D |
| 23:07.43 | Daemoen | whats your ui look like now Facktotum ? |
| 23:08.03 | Facktotum | ill take a screenshot hang on |
| 23:09.38 | Facktotum | 3.0 is schedules for next week |
| 23:09.45 | Facktotum | scheduled* |
| 23:09.51 | Facktotum | hopefully |
| 23:15.51 | Repo | 10coconuts: 03LordFarlander * r78 / (3 files in 2 directories): Coconuts: |
| 23:15.52 | Repo | - Running in 3.0 can figure out unknown mounts |
| 23:16.58 | Facktotum | Daemoen: [url=http://imageshack.us][img=http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8840/wowscrnshot100908011132ke4.jpg][/url] |
| 23:16.58 | Facktotum | [url=http://g.imageshack.us/img223/wowscrnshot100908011132ke4.jpg/1/][img=http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/wowscrnshot100908011132ke4.jpg/1/w1440.png][/url] |
| 23:17.04 | Facktotum | oops :\ |
| 23:17.18 | Facktotum | http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot100908011132ke4.jpg |
| 23:18.01 | Daemoen | 106 fps... nice |
| 23:18.11 | Daemoen | is that chatter for your chatbox? |
| 23:18.27 | Facktotum | yes it is |
| 23:18.38 | *** join/#wowace Camci (n=enescamc@ua-83-227-134-226.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 23:18.39 | Daemoen | how in the world did you get rid of all the *trash* on your minimap? |
| 23:18.50 | Facktotum | simpleminimap |
| 23:18.53 | Daemoen | thats one of the things thats been perplexing me for a while, i hate all the buttons |
| 23:19.12 | Daemoen | i have smm, i just cant get rid of all the damned buttons on it, everything attaches to it, and i hate it, lol |
| 23:19.52 | Facktotum | you can hide almost every minimap icon |
| 23:20.07 | Daemoen | ahh hah, i see now, bwahahaha, much nicer.. now to figure out how to get rid of the last two |
| 23:20.18 | Facktotum | which are? |
| 23:20.57 | Daemoen | wim is the only one left :-D |
| 23:21.04 | Facktotum | wim? |
| 23:21.12 | Daemoen | wow instant messenger |
| 23:21.13 | Daemoen | all gone :) |
| 23:21.14 | Daemoen | :-D |
| 23:21.21 | Daemoen | now maybe i can tidy up a bit |
| 23:22.03 | Facktotum | i have to change that UI ace2 alone is using 2.2mb |
| 23:22.47 | Daemoen | wow, never realized how much questhelper uses... |
| 23:23.23 | Daemoen | what gfx setup are you running that you get 100+ fps though, lol |
| 23:23.34 | Facktotum | 9800gx2 |
| 23:23.39 | Daemoen | ahh |
| 23:23.40 | Daemoen | nice |
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| 23:23.48 | Facktotum | 1440x900 all setting set to high |
| 23:23.56 | Daemoen | \ |
| 23:24.15 | Facktotum | in raids it drops to 45-50fps |
| 23:24.25 | Daemoen | wow, nice |
| 23:24.33 | Facktotum | fights like kj around 45fps |
| 23:24.38 | *** join/#wowace Groktar (n=Groktar_@76-236-38-194.lightspeed.frsnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:24.52 | zoktar | hi anyone know where i can get my hands on some unitframe art?, discord/eepanels etc. must be some packages with that somewhere. |
| 23:24.57 | Daemoen | im running... 1680x1050 on an external monitor, while i do toooons of other stuff on the laptop lcd (wish i could configure the same resolution on my 22" but meh ) |
| 23:25.18 | Daemoen | i just caused a very strange thing to happen with bt4.... |
| 23:25.24 | Daemoen | anyone ever made bt4 glow in the dark? |
| 23:25.25 | Daemoen | lol |
| 23:26.36 | Antiarc | neon green? |
| 23:27.00 | Daemoen | Antiarc: nuh uh, one sec, im ssing this, cuz its kinda cool. i wrote out lol hi in the neon |
| 23:27.07 | Facktotum | hey antiarc |
| 23:27.10 | Antiarc | heya |
| 23:28.59 | Facktotum | Antiarc: does chatter modify the order of chat tabs. I have a strange behaviour upon login the guild and combat log tab swap place |
| 23:29.14 | Antiarc | it shouldn't, no |
| 23:30.00 | Daemoen | chatter is nice, ive just found one lil thing that i dont understand about it.... |
| 23:30.01 | Facktotum | if i disable chatter it doesn't happen. i am using fane but it should not matter |
| 23:30.31 | Antiarc | hrm |
| 23:31.20 | Daemoen | httpd://ct-unlimited.com/misc/lol-hi.png |
| 23:31.25 | Daemoen | snickers |
| 23:31.28 | Daemoen | see, i made it glow |
| 23:31.45 | Antiarc | haha |
| 23:31.49 | Daemoen | http://ct-unlimited.com/misc/lol-hi.png |
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| 23:32.16 | Daemoen | the fun effects we get by reloading ui... |
| 23:33.23 | Zeksie | Antiarc: I posted a patch for Chatter on the ticket system thingy. It fixes it to conform to the ChatFrame_AddMessageFilter thingy |
| 23:33.32 | Antiarc | Sweet. Thanks. |
| 23:35.17 | Daemoen | Antiarc: is there a way of having seperated chatter windows with multiple tabs each currently? |
| 23:35.28 | Daemoen | i can detach any tab and move it arround, but cant seem to attach it as a tab to another window... |
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| 23:37.39 | Antiarc | No, the Blizzard chatframe doesn't support multiple tabs on any frame but the main one |
| 23:37.53 | Daemoen | ahh |
| 23:38.03 | Daemoen | wasnt sure how chatter worked, so figured was worth a shot :-D |
| 23:38.38 | Facktotum | you can only attach tabs to the main general window |
| 23:41.47 | waallen | Is there a page with the DogTag documention on it somewhere? The one indexed by google isn't working anymore after the transition to curse |
| 23:42.11 | Daemoen | waallen: http://old.wowace.com/wiki/LibDogTag-3.0 |
| 23:42.27 | waallen | oh, thanks |
| 23:42.49 | Antiarc | http://www.everything2.net/index.pl?node_id=1302963 |
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| 23:45.26 | [SW]Dodge | yea 4th crusader formula today :) |
| 23:48.30 | *** join/#wowace digmouse (n=chatzill@58.217.206.149) |
| 23:48.53 | digmouse | good morning |
| 23:52.19 | Antiarc | [SW]Dodge: I've been selling Fiery formulae at 100g a pop |
| 23:52.37 | Antiarc | And I am farming Shadowcraft/Beaststalker gloves from LBRS which also sell for 100g/pop |
| 23:53.05 | [SW]Dodge | Antiarc: farming runecloth and get crusader :) |
| 23:53.08 | Daemoen | Is there an easy way to make all of the tabs and chatframes use the same settings as the settings i specify for "General" window? |
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