| 00:00.12 | Arrowmaster | then with string .. string |
| 00:00.12 | Arrowmaster | i guess |
| 00:00.18 | stew_a | kk thanks |
| 00:01.43 | Arrowmaster | checked walmart here and they dont even have anything in their computer system to indicate they will have any CE's |
| 00:01.55 | Arrowmaster | still need to check BestBuy |
| 00:02.02 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: heh |
| 00:02.13 | KriLL3 | well walmart isn't exactly a gamer store |
| 00:02.49 | kenlyric | they don't have CEs |
| 00:02.56 | kenlyric | they have 30,000 regular editions |
| 00:03.23 | Arrowmaster | but BestBuy didnt have preorders for TBC CE and didnt have WotLK CE preorder last i checked, but i might be able to snag a CE at store opening if they get CEs but dont offer them for preorder |
| 00:04.01 | liquidzoo | walmart |
| 00:04.02 | Arrowmaster | other option is to check the ebgames here and get on the list early for if anybody doesnt pick their preorder up |
| 00:04.12 | Arrowmaster | but that would mean no wotlk for a while |
| 00:04.37 | Arrowmaster | well walmart is the only store here that would be open at midnight, and thats because theyre open 24/7 |
| 00:05.40 | KriLL3 | my local ebgames turned gamestop always lets you pre-order just about anything, doesn't matter if they know they'll get it or not or how many they'll get |
| 00:05.56 | Arrowmaster | here they have limits |
| 00:05.59 | KriLL3 | and you can pay anything from abot â¬5 to full price |
| 00:05.59 | Arrowmaster | really low limits |
| 00:06.12 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: yeah they say first come first served |
| 00:06.20 | KriLL3 | but they usually don't run out |
| 00:06.34 | KriLL3 | I was fifth in line last time anyway =P |
| 00:06.41 | Arrowmaster | how is that possible? |
| 00:06.50 | KriLL3 | you could only pre-order 2 per person |
| 00:06.54 | KriLL3 | CE that is |
| 00:06.58 | Arrowmaster | gamestops tend to only get a few CEs for popular stuff |
| 00:07.03 | Arrowmaster | per store |
| 00:07.24 | KriLL3 | well this is my local gamestop, it's like the main store of the town so they get a lot more than the rest |
| 00:07.39 | KriLL3 | and it's the largest gaming store in this town of about 1mil people |
| 00:08.47 | Dashkal | I wouldn't trust that logic. The EB games (REbranded gamestop) in the largest mall in the city of vancouver gets less than 10 |
| 00:09.27 | digmouse | I start to wonder whether *we* will have free expansion like BC now |
| 00:09.35 | digmouse | actually I believe not |
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| 00:09.51 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: last time they got well over 100 |
| 00:10.05 | KriLL3 | for TBC I mean |
| 00:10.12 | Dashkal | *nods* good luck to you |
| 00:10.17 | Dashkal | wish the one I go to didn't suck so much |
| 00:10.45 | KriLL3 | well this is the flagship store of the largest gaming chain in Sweden =P |
| 00:10.49 | KriLL3 | the nation of the nerds |
| 00:11.33 | KriLL3 | on the TBC midnight launch there were tons and tons of people coming out with big green square things in plastic bags designed to hold em :> |
| 00:11.37 | Dashkal | Whoa whoa whoa don't go mixing business with logic there |
| 00:11.55 | KriLL3 | was a quite fun event, they took over a whole square of a mall and had a portal with smoke and lights etc |
| 00:12.07 | KriLL3 | had to go through the portal to get into the store etc |
| 00:12.19 | Josh_Borke | heh |
| 00:12.22 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: right, bad of me |
| 00:12.54 | KriLL3 | they gave us t-shirts and some product pitching girls gave out large cases of red bull :> |
| 00:13.04 | KriLL3 | they later threw candybars at us |
| 00:13.19 | KriLL3 | they had tables for playing the card game on and had a turney etc |
| 00:13.37 | KriLL3 | all in all was fun |
| 00:15.43 | Arrowmaster | KriLL3: oh your a swede? now it all makes sense |
| 00:15.50 | KriLL3 | how so? |
| 00:22.29 | KriLL3 | Arrowmaster: how so? |
| 00:22.45 | Arrowmaster | nothing....... |
| 00:23.06 | KriLL3 | right..... |
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| 00:30.04 | stew_a | are there any functions that return the time more precisely than in milliseconds? |
| 00:32.02 | KriLL3 | why would you need more precise than milliseconds? |
| 00:32.59 | stew_a | trying to find out where my code is taking to long on, its very little code but run a hell of a lot of times |
| 00:33.39 | Groktar | i don't think you can get more accurate than 10ms |
| 00:33.57 | Groktar | from what i remember about most machines in my operating systems class |
| 00:34.48 | stew_a | meh, thanks anyway |
| 00:35.26 | stew_a | stupid thing, most iterations take '0ms' as far as wow is concerned, but in total it comes to a good 2.5 seconds |
| 00:37.19 | KriLL3 | use less iterations? :> |
| 00:37.53 | stew_a | not really an option, its iterating over a table |
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| 00:39.08 | KriLL3 | tables are EVIL! |
| 00:39.39 | stew_a | do you have a better way of holding shedloads of data? |
| 00:39.45 | chiper | so, question about the curse updater. it appears it's fully taken over updating my wowace addons. are the addons it downloads bundled with externals? |
| 00:40.42 | chiper | I'm wondering if this might be a good time to dump all my libs and rebuild my addons dir |
| 00:40.44 | KriLL3 | stew_a: an array? |
| 00:41.41 | stew_a | lua has arrays? |
| 00:43.14 | kenlyric | chiper: yes, and yes it would |
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| 00:51.06 | CIA-61 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07wrathguides * rb444c5b 10/ (3 files): Streamline the progression into ally Dragonblight - http://is.gd/3vci |
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| 00:53.47 | Cryect2 | [10/03/2008 20:33:31] <Groktar> from what i remember about most machines in my operating systems class |
| 00:53.49 | Cryect2 | uh what? |
| 00:53.56 | Cryect2 | oh he's not here |
| 00:55.37 | Kalroth | Is Cryect2 an upgrade to Cryect? |
| 00:55.55 | Cryect2 | but for reference in Windows the high performance counter gives you resolution around 1 microsecond |
| 00:55.58 | Cryect2 | yes! |
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| 00:56.07 | Cryect2 | or maybe just my login script messing up |
| 00:59.06 | Cryect | stew_a, have you tried using expo curious? |
| 00:59.33 | stew_a | say what now? |
| 00:59.51 | Cryect | expo is a profiler |
| 00:59.54 | Cryect | you give it a namespace |
| 01:00.00 | Cryect | and it hooks all your functions in that namespace |
| 01:00.16 | Xinhuan | mmo-champion down! |
| 01:00.21 | Cryect | and tracks how many times functions are called and time for running on them |
| 01:00.39 | Kalroth | and yes Cryect, QueryPerformanceCounter() got a resolution of 1 microsecond |
| 01:00.56 | Cryect | expensive timer to use though :-p |
| 01:00.58 | stew_a | ah, cool, no i hadn't tried it, but i will tomorrow, thanks |
| 01:01.16 | Cryect | gettime() I thought though is higher resolution than 1 ms? |
| 01:01.45 | Cryect | or where arre you getting performance numbers? |
| 01:01.56 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure gettime() is based on milliseconds and not microseconds |
| 01:02.01 | Cryect | right |
| 01:02.17 | Cryect | it sure better not being using hte high performance counter which is expensive |
| 01:02.20 | stew_a | gettime tends to give me either ~1ms with a whole pile of trailing decimals or just 0 |
| 01:02.54 | Kalroth | why is QueryPerformanceFrequency() expensive? unless you're on about stack usage and such :p |
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| 01:03.23 | Cryect | the timer it queries needs to trigger an IRQ |
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| 01:03.33 | Cryect | or at least it used to |
| 01:03.46 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure it just fetches a variable already in memory |
| 01:04.56 | Cryect | shouldn't |
| 01:05.03 | Cryect | should be using the 8253 timer chip |
| 01:05.16 | Kalroth | "QueryPerformanceCounter() uses the PC's clock counter just as GetTickCount(), but it reads the current value of the countdown register in the timer chip to gain more accuracy -- down to 1.193MHz (about 800ns)." |
| 01:05.49 | Kalroth | "However, it takes 5 to 10us to call QueryPerformanceCounter, because it has to do several port I/O instructions to read this value." |
| 01:05.56 | Kalroth | I'm guessing it's this you're referring to |
| 01:06.04 | Cryect | 838.1 ns :-p |
| 01:06.11 | Cryect | yes its expensive |
| 01:06.37 | Kalroth | "If you are running multiprocessor NT, QueryPerformanceCounter uses the Pentium cycle counter." |
| 01:08.27 | Kalroth | And yeah, it's GetTickCount() that reads a variable in memory |
| 01:08.32 | Cryect | Yarr |
| 01:08.43 | Kalroth | QueryPerformanceCounter() has to ask 8253/8254 |
| 01:08.44 | Cryect | thats cheap |
| 01:08.49 | Cryect | yep |
| 01:09.15 | Cryect | made me pull out my graphic's programming black book to look up the specifics though |
| 01:09.21 | Kalroth | "On Win9x systems that I've seen, QPF() returns 1193181 -- which looks suspiciously like the clock rate of the venerable 8253/8254 timer. On a PIII-based Windows 2000 system, I got 3549545, which happens to be the frequency of the NTSC color subcarrier, but is probably just a factor of a common clock crystal used by some chipset timer. And I've also seen the CPU clock speed show up, or CPU clock divided by 3." |
| 01:09.24 | Kalroth | weird :) |
| 01:10.02 | Xinhuan | woo mlg live stream |
| 01:10.13 | Xinhuan | gonna watch it while raiding naxx ;p |
| 01:10.43 | Cryect | heh if you curious on seeing ASM code and how to make use of it can read this :-p [10/03/2008 21:06:13] <Kalroth> "If you are running multiprocessor NT, QueryPerformanceCounter uses the Pentium cycle counter." |
| 01:10.44 | Cryect | [10/03/2008 21:08:03] <Kalroth> And yeah, it's GetTickCount() that reads a variable in me |
| 01:10.47 | Cryect | whoops |
| 01:10.50 | Cryect | https://www.sdmediagroup.com/reg/?content=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ddj.com%2Fdownloads%2Fpremium%2Fabrash%2Fchapters%2Fgpbb3.pdf |
| 01:10.55 | Cryect | damn copy buffer! |
| 01:11.09 | Kalroth | Registration needed@#¤! |
| 01:11.20 | Cryect | yeah sucks they didn't used to require that |
| 01:12.54 | Cryect | oh doesn't matter its currently down due to bandwidth constraints |
| 01:13.09 | Cryect | u:dobbins P:dobbins from bugmenot worked for login though |
| 01:14.09 | CIA-61 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07wrathguides * r6bf8ec3 10/ TourGuide_Alliance/71_72_Dragonblight.lua : First little bit of ally Dragonblight - http://is.gd/3veD |
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| 01:14.16 | jaxdahl | j #wowwiki |
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| 01:30.39 | CIA-61 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07wrathguides * rb7c4758 10/ (16 files in 3 dirs): Remove pet training objectives, not needed with WoW 3.0 - http://is.gd/3vg0 |
| 01:30.44 | CIA-61 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07wrathguides * r73cd475 10/ (17 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'no-pets' into wrathguides - http://is.gd/3vg1 |
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| 01:31.46 | Kilroo | Hmm |
| 01:33.46 | chiper | grrr, somebody needs to add !BugGrabber to bugsack's includes. |
| 01:34.00 | chiper | the curse updater didnt grab it |
| 01:37.31 | KriLL3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:44.17 | kadrahil | KriLL3: or just track players and not npc's |
| 01:44.36 | KriLL3 | well friendly players are still pointless |
| 01:49.49 | CIA-61 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07wrathguides * r4e7c219 10/ (7 files): Tweak level ranges a tad, add placeholder guides - http://is.gd/3vhC |
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| 01:49.57 | chiper | mmm, recount's missing libgraph |
| 01:51.32 | Arrowmaster | i thought recount had its own special graph code based on libgraph |
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| 01:52.04 | chiper | *shrug* All I can tell you is that the recount on curse doesn't include it. recounts tossing errors left and right |
| 01:53.13 | Shefki | The only difference between getglobal("foo") and _G["foo"] is that latter is faster becuase it isn't a function call or is there even a noticeable difference due to that? |
| 01:53.35 | Tekkub | only noticable if you do it a ton |
| 01:54.13 | Shefki | But if you did do it a ton _G would be better? |
| 01:54.53 | Tekkub | just use _G :P |
| 01:55.32 | Shefki | That's the conclusion I was coming to but Blizzard always uses getglobal. |
| 01:55.40 | Tekkub | no they don't |
| 01:55.51 | Tekkub | they've been changing to _G bit by bit |
| 01:56.06 | Arrowmaster | just always use _G |
| 01:56.20 | Shefki | I don't think I've seen anything using _G and stuff like the TokenUI which is brand new is using getglobal() |
| 01:56.23 | Arrowmaster | with a 'local _G = getfenv(0)' |
| 01:56.26 | Tekkub | there's absolutely no reason to use getglobal, ever |
| 01:56.43 | Arrowmaster | theres actually a very good reason to not use getglobal |
| 01:56.47 | Tekkub | you don't have to getfenv, but if you do a lot of calls you should use a local |
| 01:56.52 | Arrowmaster | it spams the fuck out of the taint log |
| 01:57.11 | Tekkub | there's plenty of reasons to not use it |
| 01:57.17 | Tekkub | and no reasons TO use it |
| 01:57.58 | Arrowmaster | personally i always use 'local _G = getfenv(0)' and would never use 'local _G = _G', ive seen idiots overwrite the global _G before |
| 01:58.02 | Shefki | What's the difference if any from local _G = _G and local _G = getfenv(0) |
| 01:58.33 | Shefki | Premeptive answers. :) |
| 01:59.10 | Kilroo | Shefki? That name sounds familiar. |
| 01:59.21 | Kilroo | You the one who updated tBag? |
| 01:59.25 | Shefki | Yes. |
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| 02:00.00 | Kilroo | I should try that out. |
| 02:00.16 | Kilroo | Who knows, I might like it better than Baggins. And trying stuff is fun regardless. |
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| 02:01.54 | KriLL3 | I prefer combuctor, though the LK port is a bit odd |
| 02:02.16 | KriLL3 | glyphs tab doesn't work and it replaces quest items, which I often use :> |
| 02:02.19 | KriLL3 | *:< |
| 02:02.23 | Kilroo | I'd like Combuctor with a different look, I think |
| 02:02.34 | Kilroo | but the icons changing size instead of the frame bothers me. |
| 02:02.44 | break19 | for some reason, combuctor craps out when i use embedded libs.. havent bothered to try and figure out why. :p |
| 02:03.15 | KriLL3 | works fine for me |
| 02:03.15 | Kilroo | Hmm. I can't find an option in Chatter to make the edit box always visible. |
| 02:03.42 | break19 | krill: works fine for me as well, since I simply run disembedded :) |
| 02:08.04 | break19 | 14,14.0,6 H 14,14.0,10 e 14,14.0,6 l 14,14.0,10 l 14,14.0,6 o 14,14.6,0 break19 14,14.0,6 H 14,14.0,10 e 14,14.0,6 l 14,14.0,10 l 14,14.0,6 o 14,14. |
| 02:08.08 | break19 | ugh |
| 02:08.12 | break19 | stupid client |
| 02:08.13 | break19 | brb |
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| 02:09.40 | break19 | sorry bout that.. dl'd a new irc client.. and was foolin around in the menus |
| 02:10.19 | Xinhuan | actually |
| 02:10.38 | break19 | its based off the old pirch client i used way back in the day... ahh good times... |
| 02:11.08 | Xinhuan | actually getglobal() isn't really the same as _G[] |
| 02:12.29 | Xinhuan | getglobal() does tostring() on whatever is passed in first ;p |
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| 02:18.11 | Legorol | Xinhuan: does it mean I could do: _G[tostring(getglobal)]="hello" |
| 02:18.20 | Legorol | print(getglobal(getglobal)) |
| 02:18.26 | Xinhuan | dont' think so |
| 02:18.34 | Xinhuan | it would just return nil |
| 02:18.34 | Legorol | well that should work :) |
| 02:18.44 | Xinhuan | not really sure what getglobal() does inside |
| 02:18.58 | Legorol | tostring(getglobal) is a valid string, and therefore i can name a key in _G with that |
| 02:19.05 | Legorol | goes to try |
| 02:19.10 | Xinhuan | i tried it, it returns nil |
| 02:19.31 | Legorol | so how can you tell then that getglobal does a tostring? |
| 02:19.33 | Xinhuan | but if you did _G["6"] = "abc" and did getglobal(6), it returns "abc" |
| 02:19.49 | Legorol | aha |
| 02:21.08 | Xinhuan | u can play with setglobal() and see what it does though |
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| 02:29.04 | Kilroo | Awesome. The babble-zone compat thing requires pieces of libbabble that I can't find anywhere. |
| 02:32.14 | ulic | can someone with the proper access remove the .bat file from little-wigs/trunk, apparently I don't even have access to remove existing .bat files :) |
| 02:36.49 | Shefki | Thanks for the insight on the _G vs getglobal() thing. |
| 02:37.51 | Arrowmaster | Kilroo: because they dont exist |
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| 02:41.20 | Kilroo | Arrowmaster: Ah. |
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| 03:18.23 | Facktotum | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RNO3YLQZd8 |
| 03:18.35 | Facktotum | what is this guy saying? |
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| 03:26.00 | vithos | ~logs |
| 03:26.01 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 03:26.08 | Zhinjio | evening |
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| 03:39.48 | backbone87 | small question: is there a plain white texture in wow ressources included, if yes, where do i find it? |
| 03:45.26 | Facktotum | http://www.wlwt.com/cnn-news/17589970/detail.html |
| 03:45.31 | Facktotum | rofl |
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| 03:59.53 | NeoTron | hrm two world server crashes in <5 minutes :( |
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| 04:00.23 | Kilroo | I have a rather strong suspicion that I'm going to end up trying oUF. |
| 04:00.24 | Dashkal | The second one caused my client to crash |
| 04:00.47 | Groktar | licks you |
| 04:00.54 | Dashkal | If it just died again it could well _be_ my client... |
| 04:00.57 | leech2k | smiles. |
| 04:02.18 | Dashkal | Someone tell me when it's up and I'll test that theory |
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| 04:08.54 | Groktar | huggles you |
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| 04:13.05 | Groktar | huggles netcurse |
| 04:13.33 | Groktar | sticks his tongue in netcurse's ear |
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| 04:19.03 | Dashkal | wow, crash build for sure... |
| 04:20.47 | Groktar | http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1757267.ece |
| 04:20.51 | Groktar | what a hottie |
| 04:22.07 | Facktotum | she looks like a big mac |
| 04:23.38 | Groktar | hehe |
| 04:24.05 | Groktar | hopefully she has her heart attack before she gets a chance to reproduce |
| 04:25.25 | Facktotum | i'd say she would make a good zinger |
| 04:27.56 | Antiarc | http://ovablastic.blogspot.com/2008/10/marble-mathness.html |
| 04:30.08 | Groktar | that's hawt |
| 04:30.17 | Fisker- | lieks |
| 04:30.42 | Groktar | reminds me of when i was making alus and adders in one of my CS classes |
| 04:30.47 | Groktar | hated that |
| 04:31.00 | quiescens | 1+1=3 |
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| 05:16.38 | Cryect | External: I:\World of Warcraft Public Test\Interface\Addons\Recount2\libs\AceAddon-3.0 |
| 05:16.38 | Cryect | Error: No such revision 1806 |
| 05:16.59 | Cryect | hmmm getting that error when trying to update via SVN |
| 05:18.41 | whatsinthename | hmm do i need to fix something in my .pkgmeta after the new wowace? |
| 05:20.41 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 05:20.49 | Xinhuan | sounds like a updater problem |
| 05:20.51 | Xinhuan | not a wowace problem |
| 05:23.44 | Cryect | its kinda strange since was working before |
| 05:28.40 | Cryect | Looks like the revision numbers just changed or something on the SVN so was looking for a newer version than it had |
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| 05:37.32 | NeoTron | nice so I just captured a combat log (in game but still) where I hit icy touch on a target twice and the frost fever isn't reapplied. |
| 05:37.42 | Yssaril | whatsinthename: probably mine was messed up also they fixed all the lib names after the import so you should make sure that all the links are fine |
| 05:40.43 | Yssaril | any druids on? |
| 05:49.01 | Hjalte | druid here |
| 05:49.20 | Ackis | ping nymbia |
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| 06:03.41 | Yssaril | Hjalte: thanks but figured it out :) |
| 06:06.25 | Ackis | ~seen elkano |
| 06:06.27 | purl | elkano <n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 1d 16h 54m 20s ago, saying: 'ckknight, title shortening isn't implemented correctly, yet: http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/repository-keyword-substitutions/'. |
| 06:08.24 | Arrowmaster | hmm i have 390+ brewfest tokens, plus 100+ tickets in the bank to spend on a character that got everything last year.... |
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| 06:08.30 | Arrowmaster | what should i get |
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| 06:08.39 | Ackis | a life? ;) |
| 06:09.03 | selckin | mount converters ofc |
| 06:09.14 | Arrowmaster | pff just because i have all 4 hats, and everything else on 3 different characters.... |
| 06:09.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah this char doesnt even have a mount yet, thus why i didnt get one last year and bought everything else |
| 06:10.20 | Arrowmaster | atleast im ready to get my drunk in darlan achievement |
| 06:12.35 | Arrowmaster | ok 19 perm mount converters on my 28 hunter |
| 06:12.52 | Xinhuan | i need to get |
| 06:12.56 | Xinhuan | robe + hat + boots |
| 06:12.59 | Xinhuan | for achievement |
| 06:13.04 | Xinhuan | but i only have 205 tickets :( |
| 06:13.04 | Arrowmaster | yup |
| 06:13.08 | Arrowmaster | =( |
| 06:13.15 | Arrowmaster | need 350 |
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| 06:19.13 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: who's taking care of syndication problems? |
| 06:19.29 | Arrowmaster | its disabled again |
| 06:19.38 | Arrowmaster | was another bug |
| 06:19.39 | Ackis | oh so nothing will syndicate? |
| 06:20.01 | Arrowmaster | db server was crashing or something from the querys |
| 06:20.22 | Ackis | k that explains it |
| 06:22.26 | Zyndrome | blargh |
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| 06:28.23 | Cryect | ~seen elsia |
| 06:28.24 | purl | elsia <i=elsiarow@p57A26D26.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 1d 17h 8m 38s ago, saying: '\o/ for fixed bugs'. |
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| 06:31.38 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: are nolibs supposed to be default? |
| 06:31.48 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:32.35 | Ackis | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/gathermate_sharing.aspx |
| 06:33.13 | Arrowmaster | bug |
| 06:33.19 | Arrowmaster | and i cant do anything about it |
| 06:33.52 | Ackis | just wanted to amke sure |
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| 06:34.21 | whatsinthename | ReminderPlus r5 alpha just published, feedback appreciated |
| 06:34.44 | Ackis | http://wow.curse.com/forums/p/56003/286107.aspx#286107 |
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| 08:11.38 | Tornhoof | is the whole content of the wiki lost? |
| 08:11.47 | Arrowmaster | old.wowace.com |
| 08:12.33 | Tornhoof | thanks |
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| 08:31.42 | Srosh | Is there any way to recover my password for my forum account? |
| 08:32.07 | Codayus | Hmm, the old wowace forum accounts should work for the new site, yeah? :-( |
| 08:32.52 | Srosh | They should, but it doesn't accept my password. |
| 08:34.26 | Srosh | ...and I don't find sth like "Lost your password?" anywhere on the page. |
| 08:34.31 | Codayus | Hmm, invalid account... |
| 08:34.47 | Codayus | Yeah, I noticed that. :-) |
| 08:35.35 | Arrowmaster | did you not have a curse account? |
| 08:35.42 | CIA-61 | tourguide: 03Tekkub 07master * ra154018 10/ TourGuide_Alliance/01_11_Dun_Morogh.lua : Push back dorf "In Favor of the Light" as far as we can - http://is.gd/3vKE |
| 08:36.49 | Srosh | Does it automatically link them? |
| 08:36.59 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:37.11 | Arrowmaster | well yes if you had an account on both with the same name |
| 08:37.34 | Arrowmaster | but afaik, there was no coping of wowace forum accounts to non existing names |
| 08:38.17 | Srosh | Can't login into curse either tho'... and their password recovery doesn't seem to work. |
| 08:38.33 | Arrowmaster | are you sure the account exists? |
| 08:39.04 | Srosh | Yeah, http://forums.wowace.com/member.php?u=50330 <--- That's me. |
| 08:39.16 | Arrowmaster | forums are different |
| 08:39.44 | Arrowmaster | theres a bunch of names on the forums that arent tied to a curse account |
| 08:40.21 | Srosh | Hm, looking at the mini statistics, it merged the accounts - 2nd of August matches registration at curse but the number of posts cover a far larger amount of time. |
| 08:41.18 | Srosh | And 3 days ago, before the new forums went online, I was logged in the last time into the forums - haven't accessed my curse account for at least a month. |
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| 08:42.48 | Srosh | So I can't login into the forums with my (old) ace-password and I don't remember my curse password and their password recovery doesn't seem to work. =/ |
| 08:42.49 | Arrowmaster | srosh@*****sanity.org is your current email? |
| 08:42.53 | Srosh | Yep. |
| 08:44.15 | Codayus | Ah. I had a curse account, but with a different name... And the curse account does work, I see... Forum account is gone... |
| 08:44.24 | Codayus | ...wait, old posts are now displayed with the curse account. |
| 08:44.40 | Arrowmaster | your email was probably the same on both |
| 08:44.40 | Codayus | ...hey, nifty. oO |
| 08:44.43 | Arrowmaster | so they merged |
| 08:44.52 | Codayus | Ah, of course. Cool. |
| 08:45.17 | Arrowmaster | you can ask somebody in #curseforge during the daytime when its more active with admins to rename the curse account if you want |
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| 08:45.43 | Arrowmaster | i cant do that |
| 08:45.56 | Codayus | Oh, good. |
| 08:46.57 | Codayus | Thanks for answering my nub questions. :-) |
| 08:47.42 | Tornhoof | hmm arrowmaster do you happen to understand how that new .pkgmeta system works?, does it parse .pkgmeta files from branches too or only the one in trunk? |
| 08:48.14 | Arrowmaster | trunk only, but if you tag a branch youll still get a file made for it |
| 08:48.39 | Tornhoof | yeh it packs my tagged branch jsut fine, but with no externals ;) |
| 08:49.03 | Arrowmaster | it should have read them from the .pkgmeta |
| 08:49.06 | Arrowmaster | when did you tag? |
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| 08:49.32 | Tornhoof | some 12h hours ago, several times in fact to test it |
| 08:49.47 | Tornhoof | probably my .pkgmeta file is at the wrong position ;) |
| 08:50.38 | Arrowmaster | well i think its validated on commit anyway, although i would hope that it validates on branch/tag commit too and not just trunk |
| 08:50.51 | Tornhoof | currently the one for the branch resides in svn.curseforge.net/wow/yata/mainline/branches/wotlk/ (the only proper position, since several branches might use different externals) |
| 08:50.55 | Arrowmaster | validating for syntax, not that the externals are actually correct |
| 08:51.22 | Tornhoof | ah i see, the faq states that it checks for the path listed there, so i assumed it validates the externals there |
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| 08:51.44 | Arrowmaster | unreachable externals actually kills the packager until a mod can unlock it |
| 08:52.16 | Tornhoof | ouch |
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| 08:52.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 09:12.43 | orionshock | Maldivia: ping |
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| 09:20.19 | orionshock | Zhinjio: ? |
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| 09:35.00 | [SW]Dodge | YES |
| 09:35.00 | [SW]Dodge | [11:33:54] You receive loot: [Cat Carrier (Black Tabby)]. |
| 09:36.53 | sacarasc | is that a rare cat, then? |
| 09:37.03 | [SW]Dodge | yes |
| 09:39.16 | sacarasc | hmmm, it does seem to be quite a rare thing |
| 09:39.47 | [SW]Dodge | yea, yesterday a guildmate got one from AH... 600g |
| 09:40.11 | [SW]Dodge | ther was another one for 2800g and someone was stupid enough to pay o_O |
| 09:40.21 | sacarasc | wow |
| 09:40.48 | [SW]Dodge | yeah |
| 09:40.50 | sacarasc | i have very little chance to get one, being a mainly alliance player |
| 09:41.03 | [SW]Dodge | now i dont know to sell or to keep the cat^^ |
| 09:41.13 | sacarasc | keep it! |
| 09:41.14 | [SW]Dodge | sacarasc: me too |
| 09:41.15 | sacarasc | i would |
| 09:41.39 | [SW]Dodge | L70 N811 Druid; L70 gnome WL; l53 human mage ^^ |
| 09:42.59 | [SW]Dodge | but i was lucky... i started a b11 priest with a friend on another server, but after he quit i pct'd the char to my nomral server. cous the server was rly BAD. :D |
| 09:45.10 | sacarasc | my highest horde char is 26 |
| 09:46.12 | cncfanatics | anyone that plays/played kotor II knows a good website to get mods from ? |
| 09:48.59 | [SW]Dodge | cncfanatics: no sorry |
| 09:49.36 | [SW]Dodge | sacarasc: go to Silverpine Forest and try to kill Dalaran Spellscribe ;) |
| 09:53.02 | Arrowmaster | i think i have a black tabby on a bank alt (un bound) |
| 09:53.14 | Arrowmaster | lost my white kitten in the mailbox =( |
| 09:55.26 | [SW]Dodge | Arrowmaster: :( i'm going to buy white kitten if i'm next time in SW :P |
| 09:55.42 | Arrowmaster | im horde on a pvp server |
| 09:56.05 | [SW]Dodge | Arrowmaster: eu or us? |
| 09:56.10 | Arrowmaster | us |
| 09:56.19 | [SW]Dodge | dooh, cant help you then :P |
| 09:56.51 | Arrowmaster | which reminds me i might try to bug somebody here to make an alliance char on my server post 3.0 so i can get the westfall chicken (no inventory space right now) |
| 09:57.19 | [SW]Dodge | the westfall chicken is removed on 3,0? |
| 09:57.31 | [SW]Dodge | ah post |
| 09:57.34 | [SW]Dodge | sorry |
| 09:57.35 | [SW]Dodge | D: |
| 09:57.40 | [SW]Dodge | read pre^^ |
| 09:58.08 | [SW]Dodge | no bag space due to to much pets/mounts? :P |
| 09:59.44 | sacarasc | takes so long to run to Amber Mill |
| 10:00.35 | theoddone33 | is there a way to serve git changes on a random port like mercurial has? |
| 10:00.40 | [SW]Dodge | sacarasc: hehe yea |
| 10:01.54 | theoddone33 | git is really really good but that's one nice thing about mercurial that I miss |
| 10:02.10 | theoddone33 | although missing it is probably pointless since I'm sure git can do similar things |
| 10:09.00 | sacarasc | [SW]Dodge: that was a waste of time... no Spellscribe for me |
| 10:09.22 | [SW]Dodge | sacarasc: its arare mob with 8hr respawn |
| 10:09.31 | [SW]Dodge | keep yout hordy there and check later |
| 10:09.37 | [SW]Dodge | this is how i did it :> |
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| 10:22.58 | Polarina | Does anyone know where this texture is used? http://www.hugi.is/blizzard/images.php?page=view&contentId=6180428 |
| 10:26.30 | Zyndrome | in the game |
| 10:26.33 | Zyndrome | ~rimshot |
| 10:26.34 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 10:26.46 | Zyndrome | or dunno |
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| 10:31.39 | Kalroth | Polarina: it's not 100% the same, but the grids in the floor at Grob and Gluth in Naxxramas |
| 10:32.04 | Polarina | Kalroth: Ok. |
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| 11:16.32 | Cheads | hmm how do I get to howling fjord as alliance? |
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| 11:18.21 | fauxpas` | menethil harbor |
| 11:18.23 | fauxpas` | i think |
| 11:18.28 | Zyndrome | yeh |
| 11:18.40 | Zyndrome | stormwind <> borean tundra |
| 11:18.43 | fauxpas` | it's so much nicer than borean tundra |
| 11:18.45 | Zyndrome | menethil <> howling fjord |
| 11:18.50 | Zyndrome | I went BT then HF |
| 11:18.54 | fauxpas` | at least the looks |
| 11:18.57 | fauxpas` | havent done any quests |
| 11:19.13 | Cheads | ahh thanks |
| 11:19.36 | Fasti | borean tundra is more efficient for questing |
| 11:20.46 | fauxpas` | thought so |
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| 11:32.35 | Dhraga | question: Our raid yesterday noted that something have changed with the DKPMon / Bidder addons regarding utf-8 code, any player in our DB that had a name with a non-standard åäö char got their name messed up with a random sign instead. This have never before happened, and I have verified that the data that gets imported have the correct chars åäö in the saved variablesdb file... but still... |
| 11:32.37 | Dhraga | ...corrupts them in-game.. are there any ace libs that deals with utf-8 code that can affect the DKPMon addon ? |
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| 11:49.16 | zoktar | curious to ask if anyone else had problems with petbar and infinibars? |
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| 11:50.53 | zoktar | or could let me in on how i manually delete a bar |
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| 11:54.41 | xemacs | grml |
| 11:54.54 | xemacs | since the moving to curse i only get errors :| |
| 11:54.56 | xemacs | that sucks |
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| 11:56.57 | Xinhuan | wtb wowace addon moderator attention ;p |
| 11:58.04 | break19 | heh |
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| 12:03.10 | Tornhoof | ping nevcairiel |
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| 12:09.42 | charon | Dhraga: maybe you could verify that the entire corresponding savedvars file is valid utf8 first, just to be sure |
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| 12:11.58 | Adirelle | Xinhuan: ? |
| 12:11.58 | stew_a | is there any difference in terms of efficiency in using #stringvariable instead of string.len(stringvariable)? |
| 12:12.12 | Xinhuan | do you actually have any access to |
| 12:12.18 | Xinhuan | edit addon projects? |
| 12:12.44 | Xinhuan | go to http://www.wowace.com/projects/omen/repositories/mainline/ |
| 12:12.52 | Xinhuan | at the bottom right corner is a clone called wrath |
| 12:13.02 | Xinhuan | i can't actually access it anymore, neither can anyone in the public |
| 12:13.13 | Xinhuan | and the url has changed for it too |
| 12:13.32 | Xinhuan | was like http://www.wowace.com/projects/omen/repositories/wrath/files/ |
| 12:13.37 | Xinhuan | now its http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-6288/repositories/wrath/ |
| 12:15.25 | Facktotum | that supposed to show the LK version? |
| 12:15.30 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 12:16.39 | zoktar | anyone know if its easy to manually delete button grps from infinibar?, pet bar making dups of itself and undeletable ingame |
| 12:16.46 | Xinhuan | "Repository read access denied to wow/omen/wrath.git for Xinhuan" as well |
| 12:18.42 | Adirelle | Xinhuan: I'm sorry, it seems out of my field of action, I can access the wrath repository pages but I don't see what's wrong |
| 12:19.19 | Xinhuan | i can't access it, that's what's wrong heh |
| 12:20.06 | Adirelle | you are in the author list |
| 12:20.26 | Adirelle | should I think this is something messed up with the clone code, server-side |
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| 12:21.15 | Adirelle | I can try to change the access from private to open |
| 12:21.28 | Xinhuan | it was private yesterday and it worked fine |
| 12:21.45 | Xinhuan | now i can't pull, push, view, access it |
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| 12:21.57 | Xinhuan | yesterday, the public can also view those URLs i linked above in order to grab alpha zips |
| 12:22.03 | Xinhuan | of omen3 |
| 12:22.05 | Adirelle | in my understanding, there is an "auth script" running everything any repository right is changed on any project |
| 12:22.32 | Adirelle | and it seems this script is still a bit buggy |
| 12:22.34 | Xinhuan | what does that mean? heh |
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| 12:22.52 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: Arrowmaster yesterday said someone broke the omen repo with wrong merging |
| 12:22.56 | Stanzilla | maybe that's why |
| 12:23.02 | Adirelle | actually, I had to ask ckknight to fix authorization of one of my repos *three times* because of this buggy script |
| 12:23.09 | Xinhuan | that should have nothing to do with the wrath repo |
| 12:23.35 | zoktar | nm fixed it |
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| 12:24.12 | Xinhuan | nobody has touched omen other than nevcairiel |
| 12:24.49 | Adirelle | Xinhuan: if someone touched project XXX, the auth script may have been run on *all* repos, even omen wrath one, hence screwing up auth |
| 12:25.25 | Xinhuan | ok but what about the renaming of that clone url |
| 12:25.28 | Xinhuan | yesterday it said http://www.wowace.com/projects/omen/repositories/wrath/files/ |
| 12:25.33 | Adirelle | dunno |
| 12:25.34 | Xinhuan | today it says http://www.wowace.com/projects/project-6288/repositories/wrath/ |
| 12:25.48 | Xinhuan | yesterday that was public, today, its forbidden access |
| 12:25.57 | Adirelle | you have to ask Kaelten and cck, I'm only addon mod since yesterday and have no access to the server backends |
| 12:26.05 | Xinhuan | zzz |
| 12:26.11 | Xinhuan | ck won't be back until like monday |
| 12:26.17 | Adirelle | :/ |
| 12:27.04 | Adirelle | I don't have access to more information you have about the way CF works, e.g. the KB |
| 12:28.45 | Xinhuan | i should make a trigger to wake me up on sighting ck or kael |
| 12:29.06 | Adirelle | yep, file a ticket and bug them as soon as they go online |
| 12:29.32 | Xinhuan | auth issues are pretty serious |
| 12:29.36 | Adirelle | clearly |
| 12:29.58 | Adirelle | my feeling is that the auth script is pretty bugged as of now |
| 12:29.59 | Xinhuan | so are URLs that rename themselves like a ninja! |
| 12:30.00 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 12:30.18 | Adirelle | that renaming part is really weird |
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| 12:30.49 | Adirelle | (and the script shouldn't touch repos when they config hasn't changed) |
| 12:30.57 | Adirelle | ((though I don't know how it works exactly)) |
| 12:31.20 | Xinhuan | as a mod, what can you do/can't do? |
| 12:32.09 | Adirelle | approve projects and reports, access any pages about projects, repos or authors, even when they are flagged as or deleted/abandoned |
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| 12:32.17 | Adirelle | I can check the activity logs too |
| 12:32.34 | Xinhuan | any recent activity logs concerning that wrath repo? |
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| 12:33.27 | Adirelle | the packager created a file, based on a Nevcariel commit I think |
| 12:34.24 | Adirelle | hrmf, no files are listed in the file page... |
| 12:34.45 | Xinhuan | when was it? |
| 12:35.10 | Xinhuan | the last commit known to me to wrath was "Add Short Numbers option." |
| 12:35.32 | Adirelle | repos commit aren't listed in the activity log |
| 12:36.02 | Xinhuan | <Adirelle> the packager created a file, based on a Nevcariel commit I think <-- ?? |
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| 12:36.49 | digmouse | to obtain Champion of the Naaru, I must finish the SSC attunement first, or I can do it after killed Magtheridon? |
| 12:37.02 | Adirelle | Xinhuan: log report : "Create - File â r20081002111519 of Omen Threat Meter-wrath's Git repository - Uploaded from packager " |
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| 12:37.19 | Adirelle | I don't have access to the git commit that triggered the packager |
| 12:37.36 | Adirelle | (I mean from the website) |
| 12:37.46 | Xinhuan | that sounds like my commit |
| 12:38.10 | Adirelle | woot, wiat |
| 12:38.12 | Xinhuan | that commit would be 25 hours ago |
| 12:38.17 | Adirelle | I missed something the first time |
| 12:38.32 | Adirelle | (or for whatever reason I didn't looked at the real page) |
| 12:39.08 | Adirelle | s/real/right/ |
| 12:39.14 | Adirelle | Kaelten deleted the project |
| 12:39.40 | Xinhuan | lol? |
| 12:39.44 | Adirelle | at 10/04/2008 00:14:27 (TZ unknown) |
| 12:40.11 | Xinhuan | i asked him about the non-wrath repo at about that time |
| 12:40.20 | Xinhuan | basically, when i commited to threat-2.0 |
| 12:40.32 | Xinhuan | the packager did not repackage Omen automatically |
| 12:41.05 | Xinhuan | even though omen was set to package on Alphas |
| 12:41.12 | Adirelle | hmm... it seems there is some action involving merging projects |
| 12:41.12 | Xinhuan | and a lib changed should have trigegred it right? |
| 12:42.02 | Xinhuan | luckily git is quite resilient to deleted repos |
| 12:42.10 | Xinhuan | can just push the whole thing back into a new repo |
| 12:42.22 | Xinhuan | but if it was deleted, the wrath clone link shouldn't have appeared |
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| 12:42.31 | Adirelle | I think Kaelten merge two "omen" project |
| 12:42.32 | Xinhuan | not "forbidden" |
| 12:42.34 | Xinhuan | nor* |
| 12:42.36 | Adirelle | but the clone didn't follow |
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| 12:43.05 | Adirelle | in proper english : "I think Kaelten mergeD two "omen" projectS but the clone didn't follow" |
| 12:43.10 | Xinhuan | what was there to merge specifically? |
| 12:43.16 | Xinhuan | there was only one "Omen" on wowace |
| 12:43.31 | Xinhuan | questions questions lol |
| 12:43.42 | Xinhuan | ~lart kaelten |
| 12:43.42 | purl | takes a big bite out of kaelten's jugular vein |
| 12:44.37 | Adirelle | can't say |
| 12:44.52 | Xinhuan | can i ask how you became a mod? ;p |
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| 12:47.17 | Adirelle | Kaelten added me in the mod list, I had neither courses nor documenation |
| 12:48.17 | Adirelle | but I have to stress moderation is more about approving new projects and handling reports |
| 12:48.38 | Adirelle | I'm neither a site admin nor a site developper |
| 12:50.07 | Adirelle | btw, it seems they were really two "omen" project, but you'll have ask Kealten why, I have no details about it |
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| 12:55.55 | theoddone33 | I wish there were a way to see who is online in your guild/friends list from the character logon screen |
| 12:56.00 | theoddone33 | heh |
| 12:56.05 | stew_a | has anyone ever had wow randomly change its keyboard layout for no apparent reason? i'm in the middle of naxx an all of a sudden i'm using US layout |
| 12:56.06 | theoddone33 | I'm sure it's impossible |
| 12:56.45 | theoddone33 | I've had it randomly enable my cloak/helm |
| 12:56.49 | Adirelle | stew_a: the good'ol "Alt+Shift" ? |
| 12:57.11 | stew_a | thats the one |
| 12:58.06 | stew_a | thanks |
| 12:58.36 | Adirelle | theoddone33: the blizzard option frame is a bit buggy, the first time you open it (by example when you open an addon config frame that uses the Blizzard interface) it enables cloak and helm again |
| 12:59.16 | Adirelle | stew_a: np, if you don't need to switch keybord language/layout there is an option to disable this shortcut |
| 12:59.23 | Kilroo | You know, I think maybe 9 in the morning isn't the best time to look for people to do an instance run with. Especially an instance you're almost too high level for. |
| 12:59.44 | Kilroo | I suppose I could be wrong. |
| 13:01.47 | stew_a | where is the option to disable it adirelle? |
| 13:01.57 | Adirelle | somewhere in the config panel |
| 13:01.58 | Adirelle | sec |
| 13:03.20 | Adirelle | well, that's won't be easy to figure, I have the names in french |
| 13:03.36 | Adirelle | in something like "localisation options" |
| 13:04.22 | Adirelle | in the "language" tab, you should be able to click on the "details" button of the "input services" group |
| 13:04.43 | stew_a | i dont have language options under interface options, lol |
| 13:04.56 | Fisker- | slaps Adirelle around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:05.11 | Adirelle | wait, we are talking about windows xp not wow |
| 13:05.15 | stew_a | oh |
| 13:05.21 | stew_a | ah ok |
| 13:05.23 | Adirelle | alt+shift is a windows XP shortcut |
| 13:05.40 | Adirelle | related to the language bar |
| 13:05.42 | stew_a | it only changed the layout for wow so i figured it was a wow shortcut |
| 13:07.00 | Adirelle | hey, that's weird, though I dunno if the XP thing is application-bound or not |
| 13:07.09 | stew_a | it does actually appear to be |
| 13:07.24 | stew_a | ah, better solution: uninstall enUS language, stupid system restore |
| 13:07.46 | quiescens | type in ancient greek |
| 13:09.08 | stew_a | thanks adirelle |
| 13:09.22 | Adirelle | stew_a: np |
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| 13:20.59 | digmouse | how much is the spell haste cap? |
| 13:21.04 | digmouse | in percentage |
| 13:21.18 | theoddone33 | isn't it whatever gets your spell down to 1s? |
| 13:21.37 | digmouse | 75%? |
| 13:22.51 | quiescens | I'm not sure there is a cap per se |
| 13:23.19 | theoddone33 | I think 75% would take a 2.5s spell down to 1.42s |
| 13:23.20 | quiescens | but the global cooldown doesn't go below 1s so any more than that is probably not much use |
| 13:25.40 | theoddone33 | that's how I thought it worked |
| 13:26.10 | theoddone33 | but then I was a little surprised with the undocumented resilience cap also |
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| 13:57.10 | Industrial | I think it sucks that spell haste works after talents |
| 13:57.26 | Industrial | cause it works better on a 2.5 spell that does more damage then my classes main 2.0 spell :< |
| 13:57.34 | Industrial | (elem shammy) |
| 13:57.55 | Xinhuan | duh. |
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| 13:58.20 | Xinhuan | if you have 20% haste, it would give +20% damage to both spells if you were to chain cast either over the same period of time |
| 13:58.58 | Xinhuan | so if the 2.5 spell did more damage than the 2.0 one, there's no reason to use the 2.0 one |
| 13:59.10 | Industrial | -_^ |
| 14:00.29 | Industrial | lua> (2.5-(2.5/100*20))*2000 |
| 14:00.30 | lua_bot | Industrial: 4000 |
| 14:00.45 | Industrial | er |
| 14:00.55 | Industrial | lua> 60/(2.5-(2.5/100*20))*2000 |
| 14:00.56 | lua_bot | Industrial: 60000 |
| 14:01.05 | Industrial | lua> 60/(2-(2/100*20))*1300 |
| 14:01.06 | lua_bot | Industrial: 48750 |
| 14:01.22 | Industrial | :P? |
| 14:02.08 | Industrial | anyway, gotta roll, you are prolly right anyway. It's jsut that I'm not noticing anything about my now 1.9 cast speed in terms of damage :P |
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| 14:11.01 | tlund | i just reinstalled my computer.. Since WowAceUpdater doesnt seem to exist anymore, what should I use instead? |
| 14:11.58 | Obble | The Curse updater |
| 14:13.52 | tlund | thanks, ill have a look at it :) |
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| 14:15.54 | tlund | uuh, i need to pay to become a premium member to update my addons?! |
| 14:16.40 | sb | no... |
| 14:16.58 | tlund | hmmm.. ok, only to "auto update"... |
| 14:17.35 | tlund | but i do need an account? |
| 14:17.43 | sb | yup |
| 14:17.47 | sb | but its free |
| 14:18.04 | tlund | does this update addons from wowace? or only from curse? |
| 14:18.16 | sb | both :) |
| 14:20.01 | tlund | cool |
| 14:20.49 | Zyndrome | :| |
| 14:21.07 | Zyndrome | nice that weapon damage increasing talents work fine in this beta-build... |
| 14:21.42 | Facktotum | ? |
| 14:22.40 | Zyndrome | http://www.shatteredminds.net/skit/working-as-intended.jpg |
| 14:23.00 | Zyndrome | killed a poor pally in 2 hits, normal noncrit white |
| 14:23.01 | Zyndrome | :C |
| 14:23.23 | Facktotum | lol 40k dmg |
| 14:25.20 | Zyndrome | and ofc Coldarra slit its wrists |
| 14:25.59 | Zyndrome | meh, I think they just pushed a hotfix :p |
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| 14:30.08 | Pneumatus | you have to wonder how stuff like that gets past internal testing |
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| 14:30.26 | Zyndrome | well, you had to tinker a bit though |
| 14:30.28 | Facktotum | who said there is internal testing? |
| 14:30.55 | Zyndrome | spec into Twohanded Weapon Specialisation , switch to 1H weapon, switch back to 2H weapon, repeat |
| 14:31.16 | Zyndrome | that's how it worked :P |
| 14:31.30 | Zyndrome | the damage bonus stacked |
| 14:31.39 | Facktotum | thats a premade dk zydnrome? |
| 14:31.47 | Zyndrome | yarr |
| 14:32.05 | Facktotum | i copied one myself but dont even know what talents i need hehe |
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| 14:32.52 | Zyndrome | testing deep Frost in PvP , with tank talents and such |
| 14:33.02 | Zyndrome | you become quite a hard nut to crack |
| 14:33.24 | Zyndrome | like a PvP rogue was hitting me for 100 D: |
| 14:33.43 | Zyndrome | and I have 25k health with Frost Presence |
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| 14:34.51 | Zyndrome | hope they can hotfix ghouls too, they spawn and die instantly if you dont have Master of Ghouls in Unholy :( |
| 14:35.00 | Facktotum | i have been spamming SS for too long |
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| 14:42.32 | Zyndrome | rofl |
| 14:42.33 | Zyndrome | http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot100408155232di6.jpg |
| 14:42.56 | Zyndrome | abuse bug, poke boss, ???, profit |
| 14:43.11 | Megalon | just got fixed |
| 14:43.26 | Zyndrome | yeh, but I guess it was fun while it lasted :[ |
| 14:44.19 | fewyn | what was the bug? |
| 14:44.24 | fewyn | curious |
| 14:45.38 | Megalon | 2 hand speccs |
| 14:45.42 | Megalon | specc it |
| 14:46.00 | Gnarfoz | aaa |
| 14:46.01 | Megalon | euip 2h > euip 1h |
| 14:46.02 | Megalon | repeat |
| 14:46.06 | Megalon | %++++ |
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| 14:57.08 | Fisker- | isn't it fixed by now? |
| 14:57.30 | Fisker- | btw i wonder how he got past kalecgos |
| 14:58.50 | Industrial | im BORED |
| 14:59.33 | Fisker- | same |
| 14:59.35 | Fisker- | i want to play GAEMS |
| 14:59.40 | Fisker- | but no good ones out |
| 14:59.40 | Industrial | same |
| 14:59.41 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:59.50 | Zyndrome | it's fixed, and Kalecgos just vanished, got killed downstairs so he just ran past to Brut :p |
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| 15:00.29 | Fisker- | ? |
| 15:01.15 | Zyndrome | afaik, when dragon is "killed", he gets banished... and this gnome had no idea how the fight works |
| 15:01.35 | Fisker- | Or couldn't survive for that long i guess :P |
| 15:02.55 | Facktotum | its the opposite |
| 15:03.00 | Facktotum | the demon gets banished |
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| 15:03.14 | Facktotum | if you kill the dragon before its game over |
| 15:06.28 | Fisker- | ah ok Facktotum >:3 |
| 15:08.25 | vithos | you don't lose for killing the dragon first |
| 15:08.51 | vithos | he just stops spawning portals/can't be attacked anymore, so you can't get into the demon world to win anymore |
| 15:09.00 | vithos | but if you've got people down there already they can finish the demon and win |
| 15:10.30 | [Liquidor] | Anyone tested AddOn Studio for World of Warcraft v2 BETA ? |
| 15:12.05 | kenlyric | bah! mailfu and duratekfu didn't make it over to curse. |
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| 15:13.44 | quiescens | splat |
| 15:14.33 | Xinhuan | chikababoom! |
| 15:14.50 | Xinhuan | you gotta learn better sound effects that generate more drama! :) |
| 15:15.10 | fewyn | mooooooo |
| 15:15.22 | quiescens | splat is so universal though |
| 15:15.28 | quiescens | ): |
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| 15:30.15 | [Liquidor] | Woot |
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| 15:30.33 | [Liquidor] | "AddOn Studio for World of Warcraft v2 BETA" has ace2 built within |
| 15:32.46 | digmouse | I'd like to see ace3 |
| 15:32.55 | [Liquidor] | It's got an option for that too |
| 15:32.59 | [Liquidor] | will update itself from the svn |
| 15:33.05 | digmouse | aha |
| 15:33.25 | [Liquidor] | you can work with your addon on the svn and/or local |
| 15:34.20 | digmouse | :( means nothing for me |
| 15:34.21 | [Liquidor] | If you choose to startup a new ace project it will add all libs, embeds and a core file with the default methods (OnInitialize...) |
| 15:34.57 | [Liquidor] | Going to test the new XML builder |
| 15:34.57 | Anaral | Liquidor, unless v2 has been updated recently, the beta has many bugs and ends up screwing up the release if you try to uninstall the beta and reinstall release. |
| 15:35.19 | [Liquidor] | Still outdated |
| 15:35.48 | [Liquidor] | I'm only going to test it out for the XML |
| 15:37.31 | [Liquidor] | :( The designer is bugged |
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| 15:44.11 | break19 | I'm assuming that eventually, the "My WowAce" link will also list all projects you are authorized to contribute to? |
| 15:44.41 | break19 | if not, perhaps it should. :) |
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| 15:49.20 | Facktotum | TN Games has just announced that their 3RD Space game driver for the feedback vest is now enhanced in order to allow World of Warcraft players to feel spells, thrusts and kicks as they happen. |
| 15:49.46 | [Liquidor] | lol |
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| 15:50.07 | SunTsu | Facktotum: I am not so sure I'd want that |
| 15:50.16 | Facktotum | indeed |
| 15:50.20 | Facktotum | i might get kicked in the nuts |
| 15:50.31 | SunTsu | Must feel great to be ganked... |
| 15:50.48 | Facktotum | http://www.tngames.com/products.php |
| 15:51.07 | Facktotum | come on who would wear that vest while playing wow |
| 15:51.21 | SunTsu | .o0( Damn pushback, can't reach my keyboard anymore ) |
| 15:51.44 | Tornhoof | who would wear that thingie at all? |
| 15:52.06 | Megalon | i would wear it and go for http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?achievement=1428 :P |
| 15:53.01 | Facktotum | yeah it was funny to see level 70's exploring icecrown and running straight into the minefield |
| 15:53.29 | Facktotum | storm peaks actually |
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| 16:16.54 | phyber | is there a nice howto somewhere for this SSH repo access stuff that's now on wowace/curse? I get permission denied(publickey) all the time. my id_rsa.pub is in my auth info, so I'm not sure what it's bitching about :/ |
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| 16:19.45 | ulic | phyber: there is one for how to use it in windows with putty tools in the knowledge base. |
| 16:20.25 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/ssh-public-keys/ |
| 16:20.29 | Polarina | I have a hunter at level 70 but I want to try another class (the hunter is quite boring) - can anyone suggest me something? Feel free to ask me questions about my personality if that helps. |
| 16:20.32 | Stanzilla | and http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/ssh-public-keys/ |
| 16:20.47 | Stanzilla | hrm |
| 16:20.55 | phyber | " upload your private key to /users/current-profile/public-key/edit/ " |
| 16:20.57 | Stanzilla | http://www.wowace.com/knowledge-base/how-to-use-tortoise-svn-over-ssh-in-312-easy-steps/ that |
| 16:21.04 | Facktotum | polarina a druid |
| 16:21.07 | phyber | uhh, my private key goes in the public key bit? oooook. |
| 16:21.15 | Polarina | Facktotum: Any particular reason? |
| 16:21.25 | ulic | yea have to tell the server what your key is so it will accept it. |
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| 16:22.07 | phyber | I told the server what my public key is. why does it want my private key, that's supposed to be private? and it's also saying send the private key to the public key page. so this FAQ is fucked until someone clears that up. |
| 16:22.38 | phyber | looks at the tortoise thing |
| 16:23.09 | kaelten | Ackis: you rang? |
| 16:24.20 | Aeyan | Polarina: Tank, Heal, or DPS this time? |
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| 16:24.48 | Polarina | Aeyan: No idea. |
| 16:24.53 | Facktotum | polarina: druids are very versatile in wotlk |
| 16:24.55 | Aeyan | Bleh =P |
| 16:24.58 | ulic | kaelten: can you remove a .bat file from my repo, I can't. |
| 16:24.59 | Facktotum | feral dps is really nice |
| 16:25.19 | Polarina | Facktotum: Aren't they that too in TBC? |
| 16:25.35 | Facktotum | not in tbc |
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| 16:25.48 | Polarina | Facktotum: How so? |
| 16:26.06 | ulic | hyperChipmunk: haven't seen you around for a while, wb. |
| 16:26.13 | hyperChipmunk | greetings >8) |
| 16:26.32 | Facktotum | cat dps in tbc is not even close to where it is in wotlk |
| 16:26.49 | Polarina | Facktotum: Just that form? |
| 16:26.57 | Facktotum | boomkin as well |
| 16:27.15 | Polarina | Facktotum: Ok, all DPS forms are not the same. But what about the other forms? |
| 16:27.17 | Cryect | druids were very versatile at the start of TBC as well |
| 16:28.01 | Facktotum | polarina: druid healing is really nice |
| 16:28.18 | Polarina | Facktotum: And tank too, I guess. :) |
| 16:28.23 | Polarina | Facktotum: Thanks for the help. |
| 16:28.29 | Facktotum | they are great tanks |
| 16:28.47 | Facktotum | i started as a rogue and leveled hunter/druid as alts |
| 16:28.50 | Polarina | Facktotum: But do you think I should roll a Tauren or a Night Elf? (My hunter is a night elf) |
| 16:29.21 | Facktotum | that depends on you :) it would be much easier to level since you already did the quest |
| 16:29.50 | Facktotum | myself i went to azuremyst isle to expirience the quests there |
| 16:30.01 | Polarina | Facktotum: But probably more boring (Since the Outland quests would become almost exactly the same) |
| 16:30.03 | Facktotum | horde quests are fun as well |
| 16:31.09 | Polarina | Too bad taurens aren't as cute as the night elves. |
| 16:31.18 | Facktotum | also paladins as very nice |
| 16:31.22 | Facktotum | are* |
| 16:31.29 | Facktotum | NE are fugly :\ |
| 16:31.40 | Facktotum | cept for the female models |
| 16:31.57 | Polarina | Facktotum: I only want female characters. :P |
| 16:32.17 | Facktotum | yeah i have ne male rogue and its my biggest regret in this game |
| 16:33.28 | Adirelle | phyber: I gave you back your project |
| 16:33.51 | Polarina | Facktotum: I'll go for a tauren then. :) |
| 16:33.54 | Polarina | Facktotum: Thanks again. |
| 16:34.09 | Adirelle | phyber: and for the ssh things, start by trying to connect with ssh (or putty) to svn.wowace.com as user svn, once that is done, svn should go along |
| 16:34.40 | Facktotum | polarina: welcome :) |
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| 17:06.17 | fewyn | hmmm |
| 17:06.23 | fewyn | curse client seems to be working nicely finally |
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| 17:09.17 | Fogger | yeah, I'm finally begining to like it :) |
| 17:10.08 | Facktotum | how nicely? |
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| 17:13.41 | fewyn | it's still fucking up x-perl somehow |
| 17:15.06 | Facktotum | i need to change leatherworking to something more worthed :( |
| 17:17.09 | fewyn | ooo |
| 17:17.14 | fewyn | i think i know why it's not working now |
| 17:17.29 | fewyn | i don't think the wotlk version is on wowace |
| 17:17.42 | fewyn | that would explain it |
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| 17:34.35 | Trell- | coldarra world server down >< |
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| 17:36.38 | yoshimo | again? .. i just wanted to play beta now ;( |
| 17:37.21 | Trell- | its up again |
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| 17:40.10 | ulic | yoshimo: I just glanced at your log files, working on writting up some modules now. |
| 17:41.02 | yoshimo | do they really help`? we do an instance in ~15-20 minutes and bosses sometimes in 30 seconds ;) |
| 17:41.27 | yoshimo | i need a premade geared in blues ;) |
| 17:42.12 | ulic | yoshimo: I don't really know yet, I'm just making the base modules with death announcements, then going back and trying to add detail. |
| 17:42.29 | ulic | you could always try to kill them slower so you get to see all their abilities :) |
| 17:43.24 | yoshimo | i tell my groups to do so, but they dont listen ;) |
| 17:43.48 | ulic | yea, hard, especially in pugs. |
| 17:43.53 | Shirik | "must....top...dps....meters...." |
| 17:43.59 | yoshimo | ;) |
| 17:44.03 | ulic | you have a pre-made yet, could try heroics. |
| 17:44.36 | ulic | a lot of it I can kinda guess on, some stuff is helpful with logs, and sometimes I just need to do it to get a feel for how an encounter works. |
| 17:44.54 | yoshimo | wowwiki maybe? |
| 17:45.19 | yoshimo | i have a german webpage that tells me how to do t hem.. but that wont help you ;) |
| 17:45.57 | ulic | oh yea I check out wowwiki, until you live it, it's still not always clear :) |
| 17:46.25 | yoshimo | yes you're right ;) |
| 17:47.26 | yoshimo | is there something in azjol nerub that helps you determine the submerge and emerge of the final boss? |
| 17:47.51 | ulic | I haven't looked into that much detail yet. |
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| 17:48.17 | ulic | I guess since you can tell submerge & emerge on Ahune, that you would on this guy too, but don't know yet. |
| 17:50.18 | yoshimo | ill do more instances tonight ;) |
| 17:50.39 | ulic | no worries, I'm hoping to try some more today too. |
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| 17:52.07 | yoshimo | ^you do the heroics with the premade and i try to get logs with a reasonable manual leveled pally ;) |
| 17:53.10 | ulic | The Violet Hold might be too high for you, but no info really on the first bosses on wowwiki or wowhead. |
| 17:53.54 | yoshimo | violet hold is like black morass and has a few bosses choosen by rndm except the final boss. but i dont know anything else ;) |
| 17:54.29 | ulic | yep, the bosses themselves except for the final one don't have any info on them. |
| 17:55.15 | ulic | surely it's open on the beta, no? I don't see how there is so little info. |
| 17:55.49 | ulic | wowhead doesn't have any ability info on them at all. |
| 17:56.10 | yoshimo | we wanted to go there , but the server shutdown |
| 17:57.17 | yoshimo | wowhead is missing abilitie infos for a lot of mobs i encountered ;) |
| 17:58.21 | Lukian | suggests you run in all guns blazing and use a mod like MobSpells to parse the mobs abilities :D |
| 17:59.39 | yoshimo | ^wasnt there a wotlk branch for it? |
| 18:00.02 | ulic | we run transcriptor, get a full account of the encounters, really just boss spells we need. I'll install the wowhead client if I do runs to try to help. |
| 18:00.06 | ulic | yoshimo: I think on WoWI |
| 18:00.10 | ulic | for mobspells |
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| 18:01.57 | Groktar | dearleader is registered |
| 18:01.58 | Groktar | :( |
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| 18:11.01 | yoshimo | ulic , is there a wotlk branch on the new wowacesvn yet? ;) |
| 18:11.38 | Groktar | for which mod? |
| 18:11.53 | ulic | yoshimo: yes in branches |
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| 18:12.30 | ulic | so svn.wowace.com/wow/little-wigs/mainline/branches/WotLK |
| 18:12.54 | yoshimo | littlewigs groktar |
| 18:13.05 | ulic | I'll update the forum post. |
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| 18:14.55 | Pkekyo| | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1223143005015.jpg |
| 18:14.57 | Pkekyo| | chuckles |
| 18:18.05 | yoshimo | ulic, i created a addons\LittleWigs -folder and did a svn-checkout - somehow i made a mistake because the modules wont show up ingame |
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| 18:20.01 | ulic | yea right now it's behaving as it's own addon named LittleWigs_WotLK |
| 18:20.20 | ulic | then in the folder you should see the sub-zones, Colderra, Dragonblight, etc. |
| 18:20.41 | yoshimo | so rename the folder will work? |
| 18:20.57 | ulic | depends on what you ended up with in the folder. |
| 18:21.03 | ulic | what's in there now |
| 18:21.32 | ulic | actually wait a second anyways I'm about to commit the generic modules for all the rest of the bosses. |
| 18:21.43 | ulic | lemme test it real quick. |
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| 18:23.59 | yoshimo | ill delete it and checkout again ;) |
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| 18:24.14 | ulic | lemme try to get your the drilled down path too |
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| 18:24.28 | ulic | I just checkout the whole mainline for development. |
| 18:25.36 | ulic | once WotLK is released I'll move the current LittleWigs to LittleWigs_TBC and LittleWigs will become only LK modules. JFYI. |
| 18:27.15 | Gnarfoz | yay! |
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| 18:29.23 | yoshimo | now which url shall i fetch from? ;) |
| 18:29.54 | ulic | just tested, no errors, checking in, getting svn path for you |
| 18:30.03 | ulic | make a LittleWigs_WotLK folder |
| 18:30.44 | thul | I won my class in the national (open) championships today |
| 18:30.45 | thul | celebrate me |
| 18:31.02 | ulic | then checkout svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/little-wigs/mainline/branches/WotLK/LittleWigs_WotLK |
| 18:31.15 | ulic | thul: of what? |
| 18:31.56 | thul | submission wrestling :-P |
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| 18:32.24 | ulic | cool, grats. |
| 18:33.44 | thul | thanks :-D |
| 18:34.09 | Industrial | Xinhuan: question about the haste; is it relative to spellpower eg x haste is equal to y spellpower? |
| 18:34.32 | Industrial | they both directly influence damage per minute so :p |
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| 18:35.02 | ulic | grr, got some phone here without a dsl filter, everytime we get a call my internet hangs for a bit. |
| 18:35.54 | yoshimo | i have it the other way round. if im online no one can call me on my voip :) |
| 18:36.27 | yoshimo | and ulic, the dbm modules for wotlk are bugged for me and dont work :P |
| 18:36.36 | ulic | that path should work for you yosh, I just did it on my end. |
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| 18:37.17 | charon | Industrial: spellpower is additive and haste is a factor, so the only real answer is "it depends" (disclaimer: i haven't really read into 3.0 mechanics so if there were fundamental changes, i missed them) |
| 18:37.28 | ulic | yoshimo: so they are worse than what we've got? That's good I guess, but I don't care too much, DBM is just a mess, I looked at both when I decided to right 5-man modules, BigWigs was so much easier to add to. |
| 18:37.40 | ulic | *write |
| 18:38.36 | Industrial | charon: guess I just really want to know "what to get". |
| 18:39.27 | Industrial | http://vashj-eu.warcrafter.net/Xamth |
| 18:39.28 | charon | ah well, maybe i should let xin answer that after all... the answer will be something like "at N spellpower, X haste = Y spellpower in terms of improvement" |
| 18:40.08 | Industrial | I've got some haste now, 82 rating which makes my lightning bolt 1.9 secs instead of 2. wondering if I should just have gotten pure power instead |
| 18:40.16 | Industrial | (and a bit more hit to cap it, i know :P) |
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| 18:42.03 | Gaurong | DrDamage can tell you how muhc of each rating (hit/dmg/crit/hit0 |
| 18:42.14 | Gaurong | .. is needed to improve dps by 1% |
| 18:42.38 | Gaurong | that's for each spell though, so might now work too well if you use a rotation |
| 18:43.04 | Gaurong | but it's nice for warlock, seeing as shadow destro's rotation consists of 1 spell :p |
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| 18:43.20 | Curses | haste is always good |
| 18:43.22 | KriLL3 | shadowbolt? |
| 18:43.31 | Gaurong | yeah |
| 18:43.44 | Trell- | godamnit |
| 18:43.48 | Trell- | @Heigan |
| 18:43.53 | Trell- | and the server is in a MAJOR lagmode |
| 18:43.58 | selckin | dance my muppet dance |
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| 18:56.35 | ulic | so when a library get's changed do all addons that embed that get rebuilt and released like before? Or does the CC handle it some other way now? |
| 18:58.11 | kaelten | only alphas will get rebuilt like before |
| 18:58.16 | kaelten | betas and release won't |
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| 19:00.50 | ulic | hmmm, ok |
| 19:01.28 | ulic | I guess I'm in a unique situation with LittleWigs since I depend on BigWigs and it's dependencies. |
| 19:02.08 | kaelten | right now the repackaging of alphas is bugged, we're going to be fixing it monday |
| 19:02.59 | ulic | kaelten: also who should I talk to about getting a file removed from my repo? I can't even delete the old .bat file that was used that we don't need anymore since the .pkgmeta file can move folders for me. |
| 19:03.20 | ulic | I guess the .bat doesn't hurt anything, it's just not needed anymore. |
| 19:03.22 | kaelten | I need to tweak the hook to allow admins and mods to delete them, right now I can't even do it |
| 19:03.35 | ulic | hehe, ok |
| 19:03.45 | ulic | I'll worry about it later. |
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| 19:03.57 | kaelten | hehe |
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| 19:21.21 | Cheads | uhmm anyway to see which addons the curse client updated? |
| 19:21.41 | kaelten | Cheads: we'll have a log view in by .15 |
| 19:22.08 | kaelten | there is a log on the file system currently |
| 19:22.10 | kaelten | but it has a lot of debugging info in it |
| 19:22.22 | chiper | dont suppose that log will show what was new in the update? |
| 19:22.25 | fewyn | northrend died |
| 19:22.26 | fewyn | sigh |
| 19:22.41 | Kaelten | chiper: we've talked about verbosity settings |
| 19:22.43 | Kaelten | so maybe :) |
| 19:22.51 | Cheads | Kaelten ok, nice. I noticed the log, but it's not "ideal" for just seeing that info. |
| 19:23.00 | Cheads | and no timestamps for the entries |
| 19:23.24 | kadrahil | hate it when i just started a group quest with someone |
| 19:23.28 | kadrahil | WORLD SERVER DOWN |
| 19:23.48 | Kaelten | Cheads: agreed. |
| 19:24.13 | Cheads | Kaelten: could be a Log button in the bar to the left, below Addons and News |
| 19:25.40 | Kaelten | ya, that'd work |
| 19:25.47 | kadrahil | wow this sucks, now i already exist |
| 19:25.59 | Kaelten | ? |
| 19:26.13 | kadrahil | just having problems getting back into beta after world server crashed :P |
| 19:26.17 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:26.33 | kadrahil | i hammered to get on, and got stuck at the loading screen so i restarted wow |
| 19:26.47 | Sirow | Whats the difference between AceConfig-3.0 and AceGUI-3.0? (Or whats the later used for?) |
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| 19:27.14 | kadrahil | anyone have a clue how long it takes for a connection to time out? do i have to wait like 20 minutes? |
| 19:27.24 | kadrahil | if it's saying your character already exists |
| 19:27.26 | Cheads | doubt that |
| 19:28.19 | kadrahil | ugh. stuck at the loading screen, again |
| 19:28.25 | kadrahil | mumbles |
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| 19:29.37 | Choseh | expecting i am on of many asking this: where the hell is WAU? |
| 19:30.20 | Choseh | *one |
| 19:31.16 | starlon | WAU's finally dead. It's replaced by the curseforge client afaik |
| 19:31.23 | Choseh | great... |
| 19:31.25 | Choseh | :( |
| 19:31.38 | Choseh | i don't like curse. |
| 19:31.39 | Choseh | :p |
| 19:32.20 | Choseh | curse curse! |
| 19:32.50 | starlon | Well http://files.wowace.com/ is still there, so I imagine WAU still works, but I could be wrong. |
| 19:32.55 | Kaelten | Choseh: Curse is changing a lot my friend |
| 19:33.24 | Choseh | yeah i know. so basically, will i be able to update and browse stuff like i did with wau? |
| 19:33.28 | Choseh | i guess the answer is yes |
| 19:33.35 | Kaelten | similar |
| 19:33.44 | Kaelten | the curse client has some kinks to work out |
| 19:33.49 | Kaelten | but we're improving it all the time |
| 19:34.33 | Choseh | yeah and adding payment options |
| 19:34.40 | Choseh | :p |
| 19:34.46 | Kaelten | had to happen my friend |
| 19:35.00 | Kaelten | files.wowace.com would have had to shutdown for 3.0 one way or another |
| 19:35.13 | Kaelten | we couldn't afford the bills it would bring |
| 19:35.16 | Choseh | moneyz issues? |
| 19:35.21 | Choseh | mhm |
| 19:35.30 | Kaelten | 2.4 was reallllly bad |
| 19:36.00 | Kaelten | it really showed us how badly things needed to change |
| 19:36.00 | Choseh | well asking ppl for support? i know some people who already run mirror servers that would have loved to support you |
| 19:36.02 | Choseh | but well. |
| 19:36.17 | Choseh | haven't read the forums too much |
| 19:36.17 | Chompers | wish the curse updater had a page showing what was updated |
| 19:36.19 | Chompers | like wau |
| 19:36.23 | dafire | lol... that was funny... |
| 19:36.37 | Kaelten | Chompers: *nods* its incoming by .15 i believe |
| 19:36.51 | Chompers | sweet |
| 19:37.01 | Kaelten | Choseh: ya, I know many people would want to help, but the amount of traffic would be putting a lot of pressure on them |
| 19:37.08 | Chompers | what about a disembedded mode? |
| 19:37.10 | Kaelten | *lots* more than most small hosts can maintain |
| 19:37.14 | Chompers | or will that never happen |
| 19:37.16 | Kaelten | Chompers by .15 or .16 |
| 19:38.05 | Choseh | well i'm not talking about small ones. i'm talking about a mirror that's hosting debian, fedora, opera, proftpd and shitloads of other stuff, but well |
| 19:38.15 | Choseh | looks like you wanted it to die anyways |
| 19:38.34 | dafire | in a german tv show a 12 year old boy betted that he can building a tower of 24 boxes of bear and climb it , all with closed eyes |
| 19:38.34 | Choseh | so curse can get more love |
| 19:38.38 | Choseh | and throw some moneyz |
| 19:38.39 | Choseh | :p |
| 19:38.53 | dafire | the show master said that's amy whinehouse advent calendar .) |
| 19:39.34 | fauxpas | bear.. heh |
| 19:39.37 | fauxpas | guess you meant beer :P |
| 19:39.43 | dafire | uhm.. yes :9 |
| 19:39.44 | fauxpas | and stop watching wetten dass |
| 19:39.46 | Choseh | no, boxes with bear meat |
| 19:39.48 | Kaelten | Choseh: thats paranoia talking :P |
| 19:39.54 | Choseh | :P |
| 19:40.53 | leech2k | so I keep having really old packages show up on my files page of project |
| 19:41.06 | leech2k | is stuff still being moved over? |
| 19:42.08 | Kaelten | leech2k: should all be done now I think |
| 19:42.10 | Kaelten | either that or the script died |
| 19:42.21 | leech2k | alright :-) |
| 19:44.38 | break19 | i guess today i have to figure out whats causing combuctor to go nuts when i run fully embedded. |
| 19:45.10 | break19 | hopes it's not one of his own "toys" |
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| 19:45.26 | break19 | it's always better to be able to blame someone else..... :P |
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| 19:53.15 | Choseh | Object reference not set to an instance of an object. |
| 19:53.18 | Choseh | curse curse! |
| 19:53.24 | Choseh | i want to reset my pw |
| 19:53.34 | Kaelten | Choseh :( |
| 19:54.27 | Choseh | the link from the mail won't work |
| 19:54.30 | Choseh | curse this |
| 19:54.31 | Choseh | :D |
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| 19:55.23 | Choseh | ah come on this is so fail. |
| 20:01.35 | yoshimo | my wotlk client always crashes with " error #0 assertion failure file convolsevar.cpp line 495 expr !setcommand" any idea why? |
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| 20:09.15 | Polarina | yoshimo: Open up consolsvar.cpp and pastebin line 450 - 550 so I can see what's wrong. |
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| 20:11.07 | yoshimo | where the hell should i get that? this file should be available only for blizzard staff , shouldnt it? ;) |
| 20:11.16 | yoshimo | or is it available in the betaclient? |
| 20:11.43 | Polarina | Aww.. damn.. I hate proprietary software. |
| 20:12.39 | yoshimo | mhmm i found a forumpost in the betasection. carbonite was the reason for many... but i dont have that addon ;) mhmmmmm |
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| 20:18.37 | Gnarfoz | ~irc |
| 20:18.38 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are boys, the women are boys, and 14-year-old girls are FBI agents." |
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| 20:43.24 | Funkeh` | hi |
| 20:44.36 | yoshimo | hi |
| 20:44.47 | Stanzilla | hugs Funkeh` |
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| 20:48.05 | Polarina | Can anyone figure out where this shot is taken? I took it myself. http://www.hugi.is/blizzard/images.php?page=view&contentId=6183195 |
| 20:49.56 | Facktotum | that not an easy one like ubrs :) |
| 20:54.06 | Groktar | releases the squirrels |
| 20:54.21 | break19 | grabs his .410 double barrel |
| 20:54.36 | Facktotum | let them clean my crumbles first |
| 20:54.45 | break19 | best damn squirrel gun there is :) |
| 20:55.37 | Polarina | Facktotum: :) |
| 20:56.23 | Polarina | Facktotum: Have you any idea where it's taken? |
| 20:57.13 | Facktotum | no :( |
| 20:57.35 | Facktotum | i must have missed it |
| 20:57.58 | Polarina | Facktotum: Aww... |
| 20:58.27 | Facktotum | anyone has an idea what font is used in this screenshot? http://www.lootftw.com/upload/rbuffs.png |
| 20:59.25 | break19 | hmmmm, the plot thickens.. used jwowupdater to switch my addons from disembedded, to embedded, ran wow, no errors. removed the curseclient info (so it'd start from scratch), allowed it to update, everything seemed ok there.. load wow, 5 errors... |
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| 21:00.35 | kadrahil | i think i finally completed every quest in borean tundra |
| 21:00.36 | break19 | all 5 appear to be combuctor-related |
| 21:00.37 | Facktotum | i am not updating any addons at the moment |
| 21:00.37 | kadrahil | :O |
| 21:01.08 | break19 | Facktotum: I'm not really updating, I'm attempting to figure out why this happens. :) |
| 21:01.33 | Tuller | break19: here's something to know |
| 21:01.43 | Tuller | combuctor is not on the wowace svn :P |
| 21:01.46 | Facktotum | kadrahi: if you did an achievment is given |
| 21:01.52 | break19 | tuller: I am aware of that :p |
| 21:02.04 | Tuller | therefore, even if its pulling from wowacecurse |
| 21:02.10 | break19 | it -is- however on tullamods.googlecode.com, and on curse.com :) |
| 21:02.16 | Tuller | the disembedded thing might blow up :P |
| 21:02.27 | break19 | disembedded works fine. |
| 21:02.50 | break19 | I am using the curse client, and thats when it breaks |
| 21:04.05 | Tuller | also the combuctor on curse is the wrath version |
| 21:04.26 | break19 | I get similar errors when I downgrade to 1.2b |
| 21:04.41 | break19 | lemme go get it and put it in. gimme a sec |
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| 21:06.41 | break19 | k, it's in. restartin wow |
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| 21:07.30 | tlund | after using WAU for a long, long time, i cant really say i like the curse client alot :( |
| 21:08.11 | break19 | i like it fine, especially with the free premium trial thingy. just let it run, never have to update again |
| 21:09.18 | tlund | how do i see if an addon is beeing downloade from curse of from wowace? |
| 21:09.42 | Yssaril | any high level druids here? |
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| 21:10.42 | tlund | and when i search for an addon, for example "gogomount" it shows several versions, and it doesnt show the version numbers and it doesnt show which one of the ones it lists is already installed |
| 21:10.45 | break19 | Tuller: these are the errors I get.. http://ace.pastey.net/97502 <- that's v 1.2b - those errors do not exist when running all my other mods disembedded.. but they -DO- exist when using the CC |
| 21:10.53 | Groktar | i made a level 80 on beta Yssaril! |
| 21:11.24 | Yssaril | Groktar: not gonna help sry. my question is: when a druid gets his swift flight form does he retain his 60% flight from? my premade dosn't have it |
| 21:12.28 | Groktar | hmm |
| 21:12.29 | break19 | well, my wife has a 70 druid, but never bothered to get her epic flight form.. sooo sorry |
| 21:12.31 | Groktar | good question |
| 21:12.35 | tlund | can i get the curse client to update the timestamp on the directories where it installs new addons? |
| 21:12.42 | Groktar | does it have a rank on it Yssaril? |
| 21:12.55 | Yssaril | Groktar: nope |
| 21:13.08 | Yssaril | well the standard shapeshift one |
| 21:13.09 | break19 | Yssaril: I believe it replaces it, much like dire bear replaces bear |
| 21:13.35 | break19 | that's just an educated guess however, so I could be wrong |
| 21:13.41 | Yssaril | break19: kk |
| 21:14.07 | Tuller | weird :P |
| 21:14.12 | Aeyan | It does replace it |
| 21:14.16 | Aeyan | My friend has a 70 druid with it |
| 21:14.28 | break19 | tuller: my sentiments exactly. lol |
| 21:15.17 | break19 | if I had to guess, I'd say it's a lib incompatibility/upgrade problem like has happened in the past when 2 addons have varying versions of libs |
| 21:16.12 | break19 | but the really! odd thing is, using the last available embedded versions, from files.wowace.com - the errors dont appear. |
| 21:16.19 | Yssaril | Aeyan: thanks for the confirmation |
| 21:17.09 | break19 | so.. there must be a newer version, of -some- addon i have, on curse, causing problems... |
| 21:17.30 | break19 | guess it's time for "disable half" testing |
| 21:17.51 | Groktar | ya, it looks like it's stance:5 |
| 21:18.04 | Groktar | and there's no stance 6 |
| 21:18.59 | break19 | tuller: narrowing it down, problem went away. gettin closer :) |
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| 21:19.38 | break19 | heya nc |
| 21:20.01 | Groktar | heh, do i have to go relearn growl? |
| 21:20.29 | break19 | someone get that man(?) a -real- irc client! :P |
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| 21:27.34 | break19 | Tuller: gets curiouser and curiouser.. re-enabled -all- the addons, no error |
| 21:31.53 | break19 | that's truly odd.. disabled all my A and B (except bugsack etc), reloaded UI, that pastey I showed ya, no bugs.. so.. started enabling them 1 by one, until they were all enabled.. no bugs.. odd as HELL |
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| 21:38.37 | molgar | if it possible to make a function that hides all highlighted buttons in a frame ? or the last clicked button ? |
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| 21:59.16 | harl | my wau still crashes after a few seconds running every time i start it. any chance to fix that? |
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| 22:00.36 | Stanzilla | harl: uninstall it |
| 22:01.09 | harl | continue.. |
| 22:02.13 | Stanzilla | read this http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=85 |
| 22:03.04 | fewyn | So if you where going to get your first paycheck in over 2 years what would you spend it on? |
| 22:03.23 | harl | ok. will do. |
| 22:05.48 | Keias | hookers and booze. |
| 22:06.05 | fewyn | why does everyone say that? |
| 22:06.17 | Keias | No greater pleasures. |
| 22:06.19 | fewyn | i'm not spending my first paycheck on hookers and booze |
| 22:06.28 | Dotted | ace3 aguf is gone :(? |
| 22:06.56 | Stanzilla | not yet imported i think |
| 22:07.03 | Stanzilla | check oldsvn.wowace.com |
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| 22:08.02 | Dotted | ah thx |
| 22:11.40 | Dotted | hmm it fails on the externals |
| 22:12.09 | RaydenU | expected stats for a druid to tank heroic mgt? |
| 22:12.51 | Groktar | i don't remember anything really hitting that hard there |
| 22:13.12 | RaydenU | it's all magic though |
| 22:13.24 | RaydenU | it's the hardest dungeon |
| 22:13.36 | RaydenU | what's the site that evaluates your gear and tells you what dungeons you should do? |
| 22:13.58 | Groktar | releases his squirrel army |
| 22:16.04 | harl | great. so i don't like curse. what else... |
| 22:16.18 | Stanzilla | no choice :( |
| 22:17.25 | Groktar | you can still get the files from wowace.com |
| 22:17.34 | Groktar | but no updater |
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| 22:18.09 | harl | updating manually? like hell.. |
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| 22:20.51 | Kalroth_ | l2update |
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| 22:22.23 | starlon | Why I remember in the old days, we walked 3 miles, up hill both ways, to get our updates. |
| 22:23.29 | Kalroth_ | In the old days we had to code our own addons, there was no friggin' addons |
| 22:23.35 | Kalroth_ | updates* |
| 22:25.00 | Aeyan | RaydenU: be.imba, warcrafter, I'm sure there's a few more |
| 22:25.28 | Aeyan | Oh, actually, I'm not sure if warcrafter does that |
| 22:25.28 | RaydenU | be imba was the one |
| 22:26.18 | Aeyan | Says me shadow priest is ready for Sunwell, heh |
| 22:26.20 | RaydenU | warcrafter can't find me... |
| 22:26.26 | RaydenU | my spriest is geared for a lot |
| 22:26.27 | Aeyan | I've never even stepped foot inside SSC |
| 22:26.34 | RaydenU | that's how spriests work |
| 22:26.37 | Aeyan | =P |
| 22:26.41 | RaydenU | mine hasn't seen ssc |
| 22:26.47 | RaydenU | one boss from tk but didn't get any gear |
| 22:27.16 | RaydenU | says i should do ssc and tk i guess |
| 22:28.13 | Groktar | my priest skipped t4/t5 |
| 22:28.15 | Groktar | hehe |
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| 22:28.21 | Groktar | well, skipped gruul/mag |
| 22:28.36 | Aeyan | Well, I've never been a part of a raiding guild |
| 22:28.46 | Aeyan | I just maxed out my priest with badge gear and the 10-mans |
| 22:28.47 | RaydenU | all spriests skip t4 |
| 22:28.57 | RaydenU | shadowset is way better |
| 22:29.21 | Aeyan | The only upgrade for the shadoweave boots is off of Felmyst, heh |
| 22:30.05 | Groktar | my priest is holy |
| 22:30.06 | Groktar | >.> |
| 22:30.24 | Aeyan | My holy gear is actually not too bad, hehe |
| 22:30.29 | Groktar | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Flak |
| 22:30.35 | Groktar | check out my pro trinkets! |
| 22:30.40 | Aeyan | 1400 raw, with my shadow spec |
| 22:31.07 | Aeyan | Shiny +heal, there |
| 22:31.35 | RaydenU | my spriest was like 1200 before i started working exclusively on my druid |
| 22:31.47 | Groktar | ya, that's about where i am on mine |
| 22:31.48 | RaydenU | my druid is ready to do ssc/tk at this point i think |
| 22:31.59 | Groktar | but i haven't enchanted my weapon |
| 22:32.02 | Aeyan | Oh, yeah, I'm +1200 dmg and max hit |
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| 22:32.07 | RaydenU | 28k armor, 17500hp |
| 22:32.10 | Aeyan | Only so much I can do without raid instances though |
| 22:32.19 | Aeyan | I just don't really want to put the time into it |
| 22:32.35 | Groktar | RaydenU: if you get the best kara/pre raid gear you're ready for BT |
| 22:32.54 | Groktar | there's not shit for ferals in t5 content |
| 22:33.09 | RaydenU | hmm |
| 22:33.17 | Aeyan | I'd like some t6 priest wear =( |
| 22:33.18 | RaydenU | my guild isn't even doing t4 25 mans anymore though |
| 22:33.19 | Aeyan | Looks awesome. |
| 22:33.28 | RaydenU | we've done ssc a few times |
| 22:33.59 | RaydenU | just not enough to do 25 on our own |
| 22:34.02 | RaydenU | so looking forward to wrath |
| 22:34.13 | Pneumatus | people do T4 25-man outside of pugs still? |
| 22:34.20 | selckin1 | no. |
| 22:34.47 | Groktar | really bad guilds do! |
| 22:34.54 | RaydenU | we're pretty casual |
| 22:35.06 | RaydenU | we dont' even clear kara in one night usually |
| 22:35.10 | RaydenU | people go too slow |
| 22:35.11 | RaydenU | grr |
| 22:35.26 | RaydenU | it sucks when you have 8+ guys in all t4+ and you can't clear kara in 3 hours |
| 22:35.34 | Pneumatus | casual guilds on my realm go to hyjal for easy epics |
| 22:36.24 | RaydenU | like i said |
| 22:36.27 | RaydenU | we don't have 25 to raid |
| 22:36.33 | RaydenU | so we gotta group with another guild |
| 22:36.43 | Pneumatus | no hyjal pugs? |
| 22:36.46 | RaydenU | and my guild is more into making sure everyone is included than progressing |
| 22:36.56 | Groktar | hate guilds like that |
| 22:37.06 | RaydenU | it's important for this community |
| 22:37.10 | Groktar | most concerned with making everyone be nice to everyone else |
| 22:38.30 | Pneumatus | wouldnt know.. never been in a guild like that :) |
| 22:38.38 | Pneumatus | i play to raid |
| 22:40.27 | RaydenU | i do too at this point |
| 22:40.33 | RaydenU | so i do kara once or twice a week |
| 22:40.34 | RaydenU | :( |
| 22:40.43 | RaydenU | hopefully with wrath and more 10 man dungeons |
| 22:40.47 | RaydenU | we can do a hardcore 10 man group |
| 22:41.19 | Polarina | RaydenU: I like that kind of guilds. |
| 22:41.29 | Polarina | RaydenU: As long as the group doesn't suck like PUGs. |
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| 22:42.00 | Polarina | And not worse... |
| 22:42.06 | mort | the groups if you still need 2 nights to clear kara |
| 22:42.08 | RaydenU | no |
| 22:42.12 | RaydenU | the people are good |
| 22:42.17 | RaydenU | we have done kara in 3 hours |
| 22:42.24 | RaydenU | but week to week people just don't focus enough |
| 22:42.36 | Pneumatus | kara needs focus? o.O |
| 22:42.47 | mort | if zou want to clear it fast, yes |
| 22:42.54 | RaydenU | to go fast |
| 22:42.56 | RaydenU | people are too cautious |
| 22:43.04 | RaydenU | we wait and make sure we have all 10 people before we go |
| 22:43.07 | RaydenU | so we start 30 min late |
| 22:43.18 | Pneumatus | kara needs 10 people? o.O |
| 22:43.19 | RaydenU | if anyone dies we all rez and wait |
| 22:43.31 | RaydenU | if one person gets low on mana we wait |
| 22:43.33 | RaydenU | seriously |
| 22:43.36 | mort | fast = under 90 minutes ;) |
| 22:43.51 | RaydenU | we have few people with beyond t4 gear |
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| 22:43.58 | RaydenU | so fast for a t6 group we can't do |
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| 22:44.13 | mort | badge equip should make that possible too |
| 22:44.20 | Groktar | that sounds miserabel RaydenU |
| 22:44.25 | Groktar | *miserable |
| 22:44.31 | SunTsu | RaydenU: Lately PUGs here get worse and worse. My Karazhan farmrun today ended at maiden... |
| 22:44.36 | RaydenU | 90 for all bosses? |
| 22:44.50 | RaydenU | that's way faster than anything i've done |
| 22:44.51 | mort | yes |
| 22:45.02 | RaydenU | and we did a pretty quick speed run i thought and it took 3 hours |
| 22:45.17 | Pneumatus | are none of your guys in badge gear? |
| 22:45.24 | Pneumatus | you can basically be T6 geared in badge stuff |
| 22:45.30 | mort | chain pulls, no one dies, no breaks |
| 22:45.34 | RaydenU | some are |
| 22:45.43 | ulic | RaydenU: you're guild sounds very much like mine. It's just a different mind set then most peoples of a guild. |
| 22:45.56 | RaydenU | yeah, it's not a gear thing |
| 22:46.01 | RaydenU | it's the culture of the gear |
| 22:46.10 | RaydenU | they've been doing 2-night kara runs for over a year |
| 22:46.24 | RaydenU | so it's hard to get people to run it fast |
| 22:47.28 | mort | that's one thing i like about za |
| 22:47.36 | mort | you get rewarded for speed |
| 22:47.46 | Pneumatus | and your guys are happy to have been farming the same instance for a year with no progression? |
| 22:48.12 | ulic | if you can't form a 25-man raid it's hard to progress anywhere :) |
| 22:48.27 | Pneumatus | well, do they do ZA? |
| 22:49.11 | RaydenU | we've killed 3 bosses in ZA |
| 22:49.15 | RaydenU | no one's done it for a few weeks |
| 22:49.21 | RaydenU | it's like no one thinks we can do it |
| 22:49.24 | RaydenU | or no one's motivated |
| 22:49.27 | RaydenU | it's frustrating |
| 22:49.31 | ulic | ZA yes, but the transition isn't exactly intended to go kara->za. My guild started raiding so late that ZA seems like a waste of effort, just waiting for LK now :) |
| 22:49.34 | Aeyan | Nothing weird about it |
| 22:49.51 | Aeyan | A lot of people are happy with casual play, guild chat, alts, and the occasional small raid |
| 22:49.52 | RaydenU | we probably have 10 people who ccould be runnin bt and hyjal |
| 22:50.18 | Pneumatus | and another 15 that cant even cope with heroics? |
| 22:51.43 | ulic | we have 3 people that took toons to 25-man raiding guilds. I'll see how many of them come back for LK, I know at least one likes 10-man size over 25. |
| 22:52.07 | RaydenU | Pneumatus it's not that they can't cope |
| 22:52.15 | RaydenU | they just aren't motivated to do real progression |
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| 22:52.39 | RaydenU | the guild is built from an outside community |
| 22:52.40 | Pneumatus | i guess the guys that could be doing T6 instances must be happy only in kara then, as they'd have left |
| 22:52.48 | RaydenU | so not everyone in the guild plays for the same reasons |
| 22:52.53 | ulic | I fear we'll run into that in LK, but I'll just have to wait and see. |
| 22:52.58 | RaydenU | ie, pve or pvp or raiding, etc |
| 22:53.29 | RaydenU | it's a very fun group of people though |
| 22:53.39 | RaydenU | bunch of game/online community researchers |
| 22:53.58 | Aeyan | That's pretty much like my guild |
| 22:54.09 | Aeyan | Except the vast majority of mine are RL friends |
| 22:54.32 | RaydenU | most people in the guild know each other from conferences |
| 22:57.10 | mort | still, i would shoot myself if would still run through kara |
| 22:57.29 | Pneumatus | i still went there till gems became worthless |
| 22:57.32 | RaydenU | what else you going to do? |
| 22:57.41 | RaydenU | still get badges |
| 22:57.45 | RaydenU | i don't know why we stopped doing z |
| 22:57.46 | RaydenU | za |
| 22:57.51 | ulic | but when did they start running kara? I know my guild didn't start until WAY after most guilds. |
| 22:57.51 | RaydenU | and gruul/mag/ssc |
| 22:58.14 | RaydenU | i joined after that |
| 22:58.28 | RaydenU | but i now it's been a while |
| 22:58.53 | mort | i would switch the guild/raid, i hate raiding without progress ;) |
| 22:58.53 | RaydenU | over a year they say |
| 22:59.14 | RaydenU | i levelled a new char when i joined this guild |
| 22:59.30 | RaydenU | so a lot of my time has been levelling, gearing for kara/gruul/mag/za etc |
| 22:59.36 | RaydenU | at this point it's getting old |
| 22:59.39 | RaydenU | but up until this point |
| 22:59.40 | RaydenU | fine |
| 23:02.02 | Aeyan | Perfecting my priest got a little old, but I've moved a lot of my attention to other games and such |
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| 23:02.09 | Aeyan | Plus, less burnout when Wrath comes |
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| 23:03.50 | RaydenU | yeah |
| 23:03.56 | RaydenU | i've been sort of taking a break since summer |
| 23:04.07 | RaydenU | i'm excited about the druid changes in wrath |
| 23:04.15 | RaydenU | although no real revolutionary things |
| 23:04.35 | mort | still the same old tree form :( |
| 23:04.58 | mort | i stopped raiding with my druid because of those ugly skins |
| 23:05.25 | Aeyan | Hehe |
| 23:05.36 | Aeyan | Ever see that 'Post your animal form!' thread? |
| 23:07.11 | mort | yep |
| 23:08.37 | Groktar | squeezes the pus out of his big toe |
| 23:08.37 | mort | anyway, rerolled shaman and lost my spot in one of the top 500 guilds :/ |
| 23:09.10 | Groktar | hard to believe you can't get a spot in a top 500 guild playing a shaman |
| 23:09.20 | Pneumatus | top 500? there's an overall guild ranking somewhere? :P |
| 23:09.30 | Groktar | prolly going off wowjutsu |
| 23:09.50 | mort | wowjutsu/bosskillers |
| 23:10.01 | Pneumatus | heh, im in 662 on eu |
| 23:11.15 | mort | 2866 (eu rank) with the new guild :( |
| 23:11.36 | Groktar | 217, because wowjutsu wouldn't give us credit for our first 3 muru kills |
| 23:11.40 | Groktar | :( |
| 23:11.58 | Pneumatus | yeh i have a feeling we're gonna jump a fair bit once we kill muru |
| 23:11.59 | Groktar | us, not world |
| 23:12.00 | RaydenU | blizzard needs to make multiple play styles oney makers |
| 23:12.06 | RaydenU | money makers |
| 23:12.14 | Groktar | huh? |
| 23:12.18 | Pneumatus | 1500 dps prot warriors not good enough? |
| 23:12.23 | RaydenU | what's the best way to make money in the game? |
| 23:12.30 | Pneumatus | dailies |
| 23:12.41 | RaydenU | routine, rote mechanical routine |
| 23:12.50 | RaydenU | well some personalities are more motivated to do that than others |
| 23:13.01 | Groktar | it's the nature of an mmo tho |
| 23:13.02 | RaydenU | i think bizzard should allow for other ways, that tailor to other personalities |
| 23:13.10 | RaydenU | doesn't mean they can't rise above that |
| 23:13.13 | Groktar | time -> reward |
| 23:13.26 | RaydenU | doesn't mean you can't be smart |
| 23:13.34 | Groktar | play the AH then |
| 23:13.35 | mort | play the ah |
| 23:13.36 | RaydenU | it's the opposite in the real world |
| 23:13.46 | RaydenU | AH is a good example of a good one |
| 23:14.00 | Groktar | wonders if RaydenU is related to KriLL3 |
| 23:14.03 | RaydenU | ? |
| 23:14.14 | Pneumatus | hehe |
| 23:14.21 | mort | auctioneer <3 |
| 23:14.35 | RaydenU | i'm a builder |
| 23:14.44 | RaydenU | not an analyzer, stat tracker |
| 23:14.46 | RaydenU | :) |
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| 23:14.56 | Pneumatus | plenty of gold to be made crafting :P |
| 23:15.00 | Aeyan | I'm a lurker |
| 23:15.01 | RaydenU | not that kind of building |
| 23:15.04 | Aeyan | skitters about in the dark. |
| 23:15.08 | RaydenU | build, design, creativity |
| 23:15.58 | RaydenU | :P |
| 23:16.05 | RaydenU | familiar with MBTI? |
| 23:16.08 | RaydenU | myers briggs? |
| 23:16.55 | Aeyan | I know what it is, but not overly familiar, no |
| 23:17.22 | Aeyan | I only minored in Psyc, hehe |
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| 23:18.07 | RaydenU | http://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2005/08/towards_dgd2.html |
| 23:18.12 | RaydenU | scan it if nothing else |
| 23:18.27 | RaydenU | this guy writes about game design in terms of temperaments |
| 23:18.46 | RaydenU | if you are familiar with MBTI, that's NT, NF, SJ, SP |
| 23:19.22 | RaydenU | or Guardian (logistical skill set), Artisan (tactical skill set), Rational (strategic skill set), Idealist (diplomatic skill set) |
| 23:19.29 | RaydenU | what do you think wow tailors to? |
| 23:19.35 | RaydenU | any good mmo should tailor to all 4 in some way |
| 23:20.40 | RaydenU | see where i'm going with this? |
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| 23:21.06 | Groktar | not really |
| 23:21.26 | TheBishop | can curse client get beta downloads like the old wowaceupdater? |
| 23:21.43 | RaydenU | if we allow that people, and thus players, fall into one of those 4 categories, then we can show how some gamers will enjoy some tasks more than others |
| 23:21.56 | RaydenU | rationals will enjoy strategy games |
| 23:22.00 | RaydenU | artisans will enjoy action games |
| 23:22.12 | RaydenU | guardians will enjoy logistics stuff, sims? |
| 23:22.19 | RaydenU | there's overlap of course |
| 23:22.33 | RaydenU | but in general those people will be good at, and enjoy those activities |
| 23:22.46 | RaydenU | theorycrafting is all logistics |
| 23:23.04 | RaydenU | leading a raid is rational/logistical |
| 23:23.12 | RaydenU | leading a guild is often diplomatic |
| 23:23.37 | [SW]Dodge | nevcairiel: do you know curse premium costs? |
| 23:23.39 | RaydenU | it would be nice if you could tailor to each type when designing ways you can "grind" for gold |
| 23:24.03 | [SW]Dodge | cant find it :/ |
| 23:24.17 | thul | long time since I've seen nocts|work ellipsis pkeyolol etc :-( |
| 23:24.56 | nocts|work | <3 |
| 23:24.56 | Aeyan | Not sure you can tailor something for each that would please everyone in the long run |
| 23:25.08 | Aeyan | I think they apply more to watching how people use the mechanics available to them |
| 23:25.57 | thul | nocts|work:D |
| 23:25.59 | thul | weee |
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| 23:28.36 | RaydenU | most games don't try |
| 23:28.37 | RaydenU | and shouldn't |
| 23:28.39 | RaydenU | pick an audience |
| 23:28.49 | RaydenU | but mmo's generally try to work for everyone |
| 23:28.53 | Aeyan | Logistical working the grind, the surest and possibly quickest route to the end - tactical playing a field like the AH, selecting commodities to acquire and resell and minimizing time->reward - strategic metagaming their raid acquisitions, AH trends, and wise use of time in the long term |
| 23:28.57 | Aeyan | Or some such |
| 23:29.01 | RaydenU | why you have leveling, quests, grinding, end game raiding, pvp |
| 23:29.18 | RaydenU | AH is definitely not tactical |
| 23:29.25 | RaydenU | tactical would be pvp stuff |
| 23:29.36 | Aeyan | You were talking about making money though |
| 23:29.43 | RaydenU | oh |
| 23:29.53 | RaydenU | still tactical would probably fall best under grinding |
| 23:29.57 | RaydenU | AH is logistical i think |
| 23:29.59 | RaydenU | or rational |
| 23:30.00 | Aeyan | Not sure about that |
| 23:30.05 | Pkekyo| | anyone know if your shrink can call the cops on you? |
| 23:30.12 | FtH|Daemona | nevcairiel ? whats the best place to grab bt4 for beta atm? curseforge? |
| 23:30.48 | RaydenU | i could be wrong |
| 23:30.52 | Aeyan | Well, it's all pretty hazy |
| 23:31.00 | Aeyan | I was just popping things off as I thought of them |
| 23:31.04 | RaydenU | it's typing people, which is not a science |
| 23:31.21 | wallen | FtH|Daemona: http://static.wowace.com/uploads/18/118/815/Bartender4-4.0.1.zip |
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| 23:33.02 | eraserhead | is fubar 3.0 download from curseclient dated 7/21/08 the latest? |
| 23:33.35 | fauxpas | 01:23:00 [RaydenU] leading a guild is often diplomatic <- more like masochism :P |
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| 23:34.17 | Pneumatus | i wonder how many SWP raiding guilds aren't essentially dictatorships |
| 23:35.06 | fauxpas | mine isn't! |
| 23:35.09 | fauxpas | well, somehow it is |
| 23:35.12 | eraserhead | I would like to start thread on the forums from strictly a users point of view on making the switch from WUA or WUU |
| 23:35.12 | Kalroth_ | I wonder how many people think you can run a raiding guild where you ask 25-35 people what they want to do every day |
| 23:35.19 | Aeyan | Pkekyo|: Depends. They can't on past criminal behavior |
| 23:35.20 | Pneumatus | those who run loot council i guess class as some kind of democracy |
| 23:35.24 | fauxpas | but he is too bored/frustrated to really be a dictator :P |
| 23:36.00 | Kalroth_ | We've got it pretty simple; either you raid or there's plenty of other guilds available on the server. :) |
| 23:36.11 | Sekkyo | I would do anything to get the dev who did http://www.lsmason.com/software/wowaceupdater/ to do the Curse Mac client. |
| 23:36.17 | fauxpas | eraserhead: that would be a good idea i guess, i'm still scared of letting the curse client touch my addon folder :P |
| 23:36.20 | Sekkyo | The Curse Mac client is so wrong |
| 23:36.33 | Pneumatus | we don't even have raid signups, if you're a raider you're signed up |
| 23:36.41 | Kalroth_ | Also we recruit with a certain class and talent spec, so the retards doesn't show up with whatever spec they want :p |
| 23:36.55 | Aeyan | Pkekyo|: Different countries and states have exceptions though. Like, a lot have an exception if you've expressed a clear intention to commit violence against yourself or someone else. |
| 23:37.02 | Kalroth_ | Same here, we only got signoffs - it's assumed that you show up unless otherwise notes |
| 23:37.07 | Pneumatus | yeh, same |
| 23:37.26 | eraserhead | fauxpas: well i did and it was a disaster |
| 23:37.30 | Kalroth_ | noted* |
| 23:37.39 | Pkekyo| | Aeyan: oh |
| 23:37.46 | Pkekyo| | well cheers...I reckon... |
| 23:38.02 | Pneumatus | and each sunwell raid will have 30-35 people in total in the instance at some point |
| 23:38.08 | fauxpas | heh, well, at least it will tell us what it actually updated in a couple of builds |
| 23:38.13 | Pneumatus | which is basically the whole raiding team |
| 23:41.18 | eraserhead | I am hooked on auto updating so I dont have a problem since everything goona be broke on the patch anyway most likely so its time to bite bullet early and see how this was intended to work, figure i would doc it on the forums |
| 23:42.18 | eraserhead | its ok that they r gonna charge for it with me, lotta work and we all know how wowace use to crash on update day |
| 23:42.52 | cladhaire | so have anyone played with pvp in the expansion |
| 23:43.07 | eraserhead | i donated to the cuase awhile back, im glad these guys and all you authors can maybe make a buck or 2 at your hobbie and some can make a living at it |
| 23:43.56 | eraserhead | so i want to be constructive from strickly a users pov |
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| 23:52.51 | Adirelle | night |
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