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| 00:24.51 | Groktar | bursts into dance |
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| 00:41.25 | orionshock | Maldivia: ping |
| 00:43.54 | Zhinjio | Ackis: ping |
| 00:55.30 | sacarasc | sacarasc: ping |
| 00:56.22 | wraithan | wraithan: ping |
| 00:56.47 | wraithan | felt left out =( |
| 00:57.24 | elite3vil | person I wanted to ping timed out. =( |
| 00:58.33 | ckknight | lol |
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| 01:12.42 | fewyn | damn bush is ruining my tv night |
| 01:16.14 | NeoTron | Dashkal: ofc in 3.0.2 shear goes away which takes away the main "difficulty" in phases outside of 2 |
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| 01:18.29 | NeoTron | I must say the lack of raiding until level 80, possibly witht he exception of bear runs or something (or naxx-10 beta) is nice |
| 01:19.03 | theoddone33 | badges of justice are no good in wotlk? |
| 01:19.03 | theoddone33 | or are they |
| 01:19.49 | theoddone33 | like... should I save them or spend them on leveling gear |
| 01:20.12 | NeoTron | I assume they can be spent on the same ol gear |
| 01:20.14 | NeoTron | but no new gear |
| 01:20.25 | NeoTron | so spend it on whatever you want - gems for gold or leveling gear |
| 01:20.32 | NeoTron | which will be good for at least the first 3-4 zones? |
| 01:20.38 | theoddone33 | ooh gems |
| 01:20.39 | theoddone33 | good idea |
| 01:20.47 | NeoTron | gem prices are dropping I suspect |
| 01:20.54 | theoddone33 | possibly |
| 01:20.56 | NeoTron | so time is running out :P I'll cash mine in shortly |
| 01:21.13 | NeoTron | we're in the process of selling off the guild bank - like 200 gems maybe |
| 01:21.47 | theoddone33 | so depressing |
| 01:22.05 | theoddone33 | I transferred my mage pve to pvp and was going to gear him for raid dps |
| 01:22.16 | theoddone33 | but now I gotta get into the mode of just saving gold for wotlk |
| 01:23.21 | theoddone33 | farm rep and epic mounts |
| 01:24.03 | NeoTron | epic flyer will indeed be the new thang |
| 01:24.17 | NeoTron | amongst people that didn't realize it already was! |
| 01:24.24 | theoddone33 | maybe try to get honor capped |
| 01:25.07 | NeoTron | you know it's being reset right? |
| 01:25.17 | theoddone33 | I heard that arena was getting reset but that honor wasn't |
| 01:25.19 | NeoTron | and you can buy (new) honor only gear in 3.0 |
| 01:25.22 | NeoTron | honor is |
| 01:25.22 | theoddone33 | maybe that's inaccurate |
| 01:25.39 | theoddone33 | arena isn't? |
| 01:27.50 | theoddone33 | guess I won't be pvping then |
| 01:27.56 | theoddone33 | which is good, I didn't want to anyway |
| 01:31.42 | NeoTron | arena points will work at level 70 |
| 01:31.47 | NeoTron | but reset as soon as you level to 71 |
| 01:31.59 | NeoTron | honor points will be removed by the patch day patch, regardless of level |
| 01:32.02 | NeoTron | I think |
| 01:32.10 | NeoTron | maybe there's a similar level 71 thing, not sure |
| 01:32.26 | theoddone33 | hm |
| 01:32.29 | theoddone33 | interesting |
| 01:32.45 | theoddone33 | I guess the only thing worth getting is 2050 for leveling weapons |
| 01:32.49 | theoddone33 | unless you can get glad |
| 01:35.08 | theoddone33 | I feel stupid because I had spellfire pants crafted and put soulfrost on a weapon in the last two weeks |
| 01:35.13 | theoddone33 | that's like 700 gold I could have s aved |
| 01:35.31 | theoddone33 | spellstrike pants e ven |
| 01:36.05 | NeoTron | it happens |
| 01:36.35 | theoddone33 | I was even going for a blessings deck before I smacked some sense into myself |
| 01:36.54 | NeoTron | done the brewfest boss? |
| 01:37.02 | NeoTron | drops a trinket equivalent to the badge one |
| 01:37.03 | theoddone33 | yeah I got the icon equiv |
| 01:37.17 | theoddone33 | I actually got pretty well geared in 12 days |
| 01:37.22 | NeoTron | I want the BRD portal item |
| 01:37.26 | NeoTron | because it's so amusing |
| 01:37.29 | NeoTron | useless but amusing |
| 01:37.30 | theoddone33 | 918sd, 30 rating off hit cap |
| 01:42.00 | nocts|work | So I finally bought my computer case. |
| 01:42.12 | nocts|work | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112160 |
| 01:42.29 | nocts|work | A lot more flashy than I'd like, but it still has the lian-li quality I <3 |
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| 01:44.43 | Zhinjio | looks like a nice one |
| 01:45.05 | nocts|work | Like I said, I prefer a more Secret Service style, but the featureset+quality was too good to pass up. |
| 01:45.17 | nocts|work | Also, the one I really one is out of stock for everything but 7-8 days shipping -.- |
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| 01:46.49 | nocts|work | http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/articles/2007/2280/Lianli_Casing2.jpg <- my first choice |
| 01:47.54 | nocts|work | Chances are I'll get that for an entertainment center PC. |
| 01:48.07 | Zhinjio | thats very clean looking |
| 01:48.21 | Zhinjio | its been a long long while since I've done any upgrading |
| 01:48.33 | Zhinjio | if I was making some money, I'd probably be due for one about now |
| 01:48.40 | Zhinjio | as it stands, I'm not, so I can wait. |
| 01:51.02 | nocts|work | WobWork: http://www.eparcel.com.au/tower/ShipVis/getShipmentExplorerAM/doDisplayShipmentBrowserView?SHIPMENT_OID=17248803320000012222365465950846979672&PASS_SHIPMENT_EXPLORER=true <- tracking for you. |
| 01:51.12 | nocts|work | Okay, so that was supposed to be in /msg |
| 01:51.42 | Wobin | hehe that's alright, it still needs a user/pass |
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| 02:07.01 | nocts|work | http://www.gamesforwork.com/games/swf/Drop%20My%20Knight_september_18th_2008.swf |
| 02:10.24 | Kolie | Anyone up for a CC beta test? http://mediabeta.curse.com/CurseClient/CurseSetup-2.0.0.11.exe |
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| 02:15.23 | Kolie | Could use some testing, you guys are all we got :( |
| 02:16.41 | nocts|work | *coughs* |
| 02:16.47 | Zyndrome | *tumbleweed* |
| 02:17.20 | Kolie | :( |
| 02:17.24 | Kolie | hides. |
| 02:17.34 | nocts|work | What does this client do. |
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| 02:17.59 | Zyndrome | trying to download it but my BurningFurry keeps me away with endless updates |
| 02:19.14 | nocts|work | slaps Kolie with an RFC compliant trout |
| 02:19.15 | Kolie | It manages addons. |
| 02:19.24 | Kolie | RFC? I read those things endlessly. |
| 02:19.46 | nocts|work | Elaborate about manages addons. |
| 02:19.58 | Kolie | Infact, we have a fully complaint http 1.0 and 1.1 parser in the client written verbatim from the RFC. |
| 02:20.00 | nocts|work | Just for curse? Descriptions? Just updates? Deps? Choices? |
| 02:20.11 | Kolie | curse.com curseforge.com and wowace.com |
| 02:20.15 | Kolie | descritions yes. |
| 02:20.17 | Kolie | updates, yes. |
| 02:20.24 | Kolie | Dependencies, implemented but not on curseforge yet. |
| 02:20.27 | Kolie | Choicies? |
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| 02:22.09 | Kolie | It also does character profile updates to wowdb.com and wardb.com, the primary reason for a majority of curse.com users use it. |
| 02:22.13 | Zyndrome | "Login invalid" , even though it's correct |
| 02:22.15 | Zyndrome | FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU- |
| 02:22.50 | Zyndrome | wait, beta.curse.com is different I suppose |
| 02:22.57 | Kolie | Uhm, can you login on the website? |
| 02:23.11 | Zyndrome | there we go |
| 02:23.21 | Zyndrome | I have different logins wtf :S |
| 02:23.45 | Kaaosa- | Will this curse beta give me a disease |
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| 02:25.42 | nocts|work | (07:22:10 PM) Kolie: It also does character profile updates to wowdb.com and wardb.com, the primary reason for a majority of curse.com users use it. |
| 02:25.48 | nocts|work | That shouldn't even be in the same program. |
| 02:26.09 | nocts|work | A mod updater and a myspace profile updater? |
| 02:26.11 | Kolie | Then don't use it :) |
| 02:26.19 | nocts|work | I don't plan on it :P |
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| 02:26.31 | nocts|work | Doesn't mean I can't suggest program profile seperation. |
| 02:26.32 | Zyndrome | ze "See Addon Details" , they do nothing |
| 02:26.36 | nocts|work | *separation |
| 02:26.49 | Kolie | nocts|work: Im not the one that needs convincing, your preaching to the choir. Tell net curse. |
| 02:27.41 | Kolie | Zyndrome: I click them and it loads my default browser. Which ones are you clicking, and for what addon. |
| 02:27.43 | fewyn | hmmm |
| 02:27.52 | fewyn | Kolie: My curse client keeps crashing |
| 02:27.58 | fewyn | when i open it |
| 02:28.04 | Zyndrome | TipTac |
| 02:28.04 | Kolie | fewyn: what version? |
| 02:28.10 | fewyn | 2.0.0.11 |
| 02:28.24 | Kolie | Hmm, thats new. How far does it load? |
| 02:28.29 | fewyn | i open it |
| 02:28.32 | fewyn | and windows goes |
| 02:28.32 | fewyn | CurseClient.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 02:28.33 | Kolie | And what is the exception offset if you know how to find that. |
| 02:28.46 | fewyn | AppName: curseclient.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: curseclient.exe |
| 02:28.47 | fewyn | ModVer: 0.0.0.0 Offset: 00167543 |
| 02:28.51 | Zyndrome | clicking on the supposed to be hyperlink 'See Addon Details' in the bottom frame, nothing happens |
| 02:28.54 | fewyn | i'm guessing that's what you need |
| 02:29.03 | Kolie | Thats exactly what I need. |
| 02:29.06 | fewyn | it looks like it's working in the background |
| 02:29.10 | Kolie | libCurl is misbehaving again. |
| 02:29.13 | fewyn | it's just when i click send or don't send |
| 02:29.16 | fewyn | it'll close |
| 02:29.17 | Kolie | Yea that error occured in its own thread. |
| 02:29.31 | fewyn | just thought i'd let you know |
| 02:29.37 | Kolie | Running it a few times, it should startup by itself. Thanks for the report. |
| 02:29.45 | Kolie | I'll have to fix that. |
| 02:30.10 | fewyn | yep loaded up just fine about the 15th time later |
| 02:31.16 | fewyn | now if i could remember now why i opened it |
| 02:31.33 | Kolie | Cause I said it was awsome. |
| 02:31.45 | Groktar | nibbles on Kolie |
| 02:32.00 | Kolie | Hi Groktar. why are you eating me. |
| 02:32.18 | fewyn | if it was awesome it'd be installing the versions of addons i tell it to =p |
| 02:32.30 | fewyn | but it's coming along |
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| 02:35.59 | Kolie | It install the latest release :) |
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| 02:49.01 | nocts|work | http://www.houston-imports.com/dirty/dirty.html |
| 02:49.05 | nocts|work | ^ that's nasty. |
| 02:51.00 | Zyndrome | that'll be my apartment |
| 02:58.50 | Zyndrome | http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_yUN6JxHRMc&eurl= |
| 02:58.51 | Zyndrome | oh wtf |
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| 03:21.21 | nocts|work | http://www.todaysbigfail.com There is so much lawl in thi website it's now my homepage |
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| 03:35.16 | wraithan | Our local drugstore was robbed of 500 bottles of Viagra. |
| 03:35.24 | wraithan | The suspect is known to be a hardened criminal! |
| 03:37.05 | Wobin | ~rimshot |
| 03:37.06 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 03:37.20 | Wobin | is it bad that I look at that houston-import's page |
| 03:37.27 | Wobin | and have a sudden craving for pizza? |
| 03:38.01 | Wobin | Oh man |
| 03:38.06 | Wobin | "Another Parkour Disaster" is -never- a good title |
| 03:44.47 | ckknight | s/never/always/ |
| 03:46.24 | Zyndrome | ck is correct |
| 03:46.30 | Zhinjio | so if $1 is the first argument and so on in awk, is there one that means "everything after the first field?" |
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| 04:36.52 | Zhinjio | god, my sysadmin fu has gotten week |
| 04:36.54 | Zhinjio | weak |
| 04:36.58 | Zhinjio | so has my spelling, apparently |
| 04:37.19 | Zhinjio | I wanna pull out all references to L["xxx"] locale strings in my lua files |
| 04:37.30 | Zhinjio | what would be a quick way todo so from unix commmand line |
| 04:37.42 | Zhinjio | I can grep it, but that still gives me full lines with lots of gorp |
| 04:38.28 | Zhinjio | I was gonna try awk with L[" as a field separator, but it isn't happy with any way I escape that |
| 04:39.53 | wraithan | http://blue.bots2.net/index.php <- fun game if you like building up character and stuff |
| 04:54.25 | Zhinjio | I managed it. |
| 04:54.35 | Zhinjio | successive awk filtering did it |
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| 06:32.18 | Tand | hello, can anyone tell me of some way/program to get rid of Libs: not being used by my addons? They're still loading and eating through my few,precious resources =\ |
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| 06:34.12 | Tand | ahh n/m forums got me |
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| 06:47.41 | Zhinjio | is there a way to put some spacer in an ace3 config table? |
| 06:47.48 | Zhinjio | type="spacer" maybe? |
| 06:47.49 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 06:47.58 | Zhinjio | things are pretty crunched together |
| 06:48.09 | nevcairiel | vertical spacer? |
| 06:48.18 | nevcairiel | use type="description" with name="" |
| 06:48.23 | Zhinjio | um.... no, horizontal. ah. |
| 06:48.26 | Zhinjio | yeah, that'll work. |
| 06:48.31 | nevcairiel | or name="\n" for more space |
| 06:48.58 | nevcairiel | you can do horizontal spacers with type="description" name="" width="half" |
| 06:49.00 | nevcairiel | for example |
| 06:49.47 | Nargiddley | type="header" with name="" with be a horizontal like stretching to full width as another option |
| 06:51.44 | Zhinjio | yup, got that as well. I think I'm good now. Thank you both |
| 06:51.48 | Fisker- | finds nevcairiel |
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| 06:52.58 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 06:53.00 | Zhinjio | thats interesting |
| 06:53.25 | Zhinjio | lemme pastey and screenie this |
| 06:53.31 | Zhinjio | I don't think this is correct behavior. |
| 06:54.01 | nevcairiel | I bet you just broke something! =) |
| 06:54.55 | Zhinjio | nah, not broken really, jsut behaving oddly |
| 06:56.49 | Zhinjio | ok, pastey: http://ace.pastey.net/96716 |
| 06:57.02 | Zhinjio | and screenie : http://geo.trippy.org/gallery2/d/2415-1/blort.jpg |
| 06:57.25 | Zhinjio | notice how the spacer is padding *around* the two execute elements |
| 06:57.25 | Zhinjio | and not below them |
| 06:57.25 | nevcairiel | width half with newlines in it? |
| 06:57.28 | Zhinjio | is that expected behavior? |
| 06:57.51 | nevcairiel | yea because you used width-half |
| 06:57.58 | nevcairiel | so it still fits in behind the buttons |
| 06:58.16 | Zhinjio | yup |
| 06:58.16 | Zhinjio | gotcha |
| 06:58.20 | Fisker- | why so srs? |
| 06:58.28 | Zhinjio | all good. |
| 07:13.14 | nevcairiel | haha just saw the new death-chicken skin, it still looks hilarious =P |
| 07:13.31 | Arrowmaster | death-chicken? |
| 07:13.41 | nevcairiel | dk flying mount |
| 07:13.41 | Groktar | ^ |
| 07:13.44 | Groktar | o |
| 07:13.47 | nevcairiel | sylvannas looks great, though |
| 07:14.03 | Groktar | i didn't think it was nearly as chicken-y |
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| 07:16.11 | Zyndrome | and King Varian Wrynn now looks like he'll cut you a new asshole D: |
| 07:17.23 | Groktar | he looks like he smells some dog poo |
| 07:17.30 | Fisker- | hmm |
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| 07:25.39 | Fisker- | nice |
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| 08:16.05 | mitch0 | hm. |
| 08:16.17 | mitch0 | anyone had ther snv:keywords broken mysteriously? |
| 08:17.07 | mitch0 | in my code $Id: xxx $ got mungled to $Id:xxx $ (not the lack of space after $Id:). This caused subsequent keyword expansions to not happen on that line... |
| 08:17.12 | Groktar | hears fisker did it |
| 08:17.21 | mitch0 | s/not/note/ |
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| 08:21.20 | Groktar | also suspects MoonWolf of involvement |
| 08:21.30 | mitch0 | hm |
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| 08:21.48 | mitch0 | too bad #svn is even less helpful ;) |
| 08:22.31 | MoonWolf | finds Groktar's reasoning to be suspect. |
| 08:22.55 | [SW]Dodge | ~ssen Kolie |
| 08:23.01 | [SW]Dodge | ~seen Kolie |
| 08:23.04 | purl | kolie <n=kraft@adsl-070-154-141-174.sip.bna.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 5h 47m 5s ago, saying: 'It install the latest release :)'. |
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| 08:23.46 | nevcairiel | mitch0 i think its #subversion =P |
| 08:24.11 | mitch0 | well, the topic on #svn seemed sane enough (refering to subversion.tigris.org and the like) |
| 08:24.17 | mitch0 | will try #subversion though ;) |
| 08:24.34 | nevcairiel | Hm i dunno |
| 08:25.07 | mitch0 | #subversion told me to /j #svn ;) |
| 08:25.23 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 08:25.27 | mitch0 | anyway, haven't found anything like it on google either |
| 08:25.39 | mitch0 | must be some jinx on my side then |
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| 08:30.04 | EthanCentaurai | is mesmerised by the new Lady Sylvannas |
| 08:32.37 | EthanCentaurai | Varian is back? :O |
| 08:36.57 | nevcairiel | They continued the quest chain in new duskwallow, if you didnt notice. and addon brought him back ;) |
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| 08:38.29 | EthanCentaurai | I never noticed :( |
| 08:39.19 | EthanCentaurai | then again I've not been able to get into the beta or the PTRs latley |
| 08:44.07 | EthanCentaurai | gah, still not able to pre-order WotLK CE anywhere in Europe :( |
| 08:45.01 | [SW]Dodge | :( |
| 08:46.41 | Groktar | ce lulz |
| 08:47.16 | EthanCentaurai | lol Burning Crusade CE is still available :D |
| 08:47.39 | Groktar | only reason i can see for CE is to have it on DVD |
| 08:47.48 | mitch0 | eth: well, newcommers will need BC to play WotlK, wouldn't they? |
| 08:47.49 | Groktar | but it's not hard to take the cds and make them into a dvd |
| 08:48.10 | Groktar | just gotta put everything from all the discs in a folder and burn it |
| 08:48.53 | nevcairiel | WotLK will always be on DVD |
| 08:48.57 | Groktar | orly? |
| 08:49.00 | Groktar | it's about time |
| 08:49.11 | Groktar | would be nice if they'd put EVERYTHING on the wotlk dvd |
| 08:49.26 | nevcairiel | That would probably be hard to fit, hehe |
| 08:49.31 | EthanCentaurai | like a Battlechest? |
| 08:49.34 | Groktar | not a dvd9 |
| 08:49.41 | Punkie | CD/DVD's for MMO's are usually a waste anyway since installing it from that media rather than downloading it fully only saves probably minutes compared with downloading a fully up-to-date version |
| 08:49.49 | Punkie | due to patches etc |
| 08:50.11 | Groktar | you can download an up to date version? |
| 08:50.15 | nevcairiel | I would rather install the 3GB gfx/sound/models from a dvd and download a 500mb patch |
| 08:50.47 | Punkie | when I reinstalled wow I had to download a 1.5gb worth of patches |
| 08:51.01 | nevcairiel | yeah thats now |
| 08:51.08 | nevcairiel | after 1 year after the last expansion |
| 08:51.16 | Punkie | and then it took yonks to install the patch |
| 08:51.47 | nevcairiel | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/16/5901920572-wotlk-on-cd-or-dvd.html |
| 08:51.49 | nevcairiel | there found it |
| 08:51.53 | mitch0 | punkie: did it go sequentially? or did it download a single patch from 1.x -> 2.y? |
| 08:52.13 | Punkie | It downloaded 1 giant patch then a few tiny ones |
| 08:52.20 | mitch0 | ic |
| 08:52.22 | Punkie | tiny in relation to the giant one btw :P |
| 08:52.44 | nevcairiel | btw you get 2.0 for free if you install BC, no need for that patch ;) |
| 08:52.50 | Groktar | should only be a maybe 3 of the little ones |
| 08:52.55 | Punkie | http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2008/09/inside-north-korean-arcade.html :I |
| 08:52.57 | Groktar | what nevcairiel said |
| 08:53.08 | nevcairiel | and i think theer was a full patch for 2.4.2 or so |
| 08:53.08 | Groktar | just like installing wotlk will bring you up to 3.0 |
| 08:53.18 | Punkie | I dunno after that I just put the wow folder on a portable hard drive and its quicker |
| 08:53.32 | Groktar | you'd be kind of a downie to install wow, patch that |
| 08:53.38 | Groktar | then install tbc and patch that |
| 08:53.39 | EthanCentaurai | lol my WoW discs install 2.1, but installing TBC reverts it to 2.0 :O |
| 08:53.47 | mitch0 | grok: :) |
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| 08:54.26 | orionshock | i just grabed the online installers |
| 08:54.30 | orionshock | worked better for me :\ |
| 08:54.32 | Groktar | heh, my wotlk beta folder is 14.6GB |
| 08:54.54 | nevcairiel | mine is 16 |
| 08:54.57 | Groktar | i don't remember the last time i installed wow |
| 08:55.02 | nevcairiel | But i have 2 languages in it |
| 08:55.22 | Groktar | i usually just copy the entire folder from one computer to another |
| 08:55.37 | Punkie | exactly |
| 08:55.40 | orionshock | whoa, when did they put Terecone in SMV? |
| 08:55.43 | nevcairiel | why is wotlk like 7 GB bigger then wow |
| 08:56.00 | Punkie | orionshock: since forever |
| 08:56.01 | nevcairiel | orionshock: on the edge to terokkar and two spots in that bird-people camp |
| 08:56.16 | Punkie | nevcairiel: theres spawns in all the bird people camps |
| 08:56.20 | Groktar | it's only 6gb bigger for me! |
| 08:57.26 | nevcairiel | again, i have 2 languages installed =P |
| 08:57.52 | Groktar | seems to me like wotlk textures are a lot more detailed than wow/tbc ones |
| 08:58.36 | Punkie | i'm sure they are |
| 08:58.43 | nevcairiel | yeah they are, looks better :) |
| 08:59.18 | Punkie | wow needs to allow guilds to capture a neutral city tbh |
| 09:04.01 | EthanCentaurai | like Halaa except guild pvp not world pvp? |
| 09:05.40 | JY` | it's not ffapvp |
| 09:05.41 | JY` | it's rvr |
| 09:06.00 | [SW]Dodge | JY`: GvG :P |
| 09:06.05 | JY` | for guild pvp have a look to aoc :p |
| 09:06.18 | JY` | ffapvp ~ gvg |
| 09:06.28 | [SW]Dodge | like WOE (War of Emperium) in Ragnarok :D |
| 09:07.05 | JY` | rvr > gvg |
| 09:08.00 | JY` | because in gvg, you have few winners and many losers |
| 09:08.08 | [SW]Dodge | yea |
| 09:08.11 | Groktar | /me nibbles on JY`'s soul |
| 09:08.32 | JY` | that's not in the spirit of wow |
| 09:08.40 | Punkie | just basically a main city that everyone goes too like shattrath or something and a guild can claim it |
| 09:08.43 | Punkie | and put flags up |
| 09:08.50 | Punkie | and like take a 2% tax |
| 09:09.26 | JY` | reminds me of vanilla wow |
| 09:09.27 | Punkie | you can fight for it, but like in lineage or so, it can only be attacked once a week |
| 09:09.33 | JY` | and buying slots in mc/bwl raids |
| 09:09.39 | JY` | to top end guilds |
| 09:09.40 | JY` | for epics |
| 09:09.52 | Punkie | how does that relate :P |
| 09:09.55 | JY` | guilds were forced to do that in order to finance aq/nax |
| 09:10.10 | JY` | both are way to finance raids |
| 09:10.33 | Punkie | i'm thinking of it more as a cool thing to do rather than a finance option ;) |
| 09:10.33 | JY` | by using dominant status of a guild |
| 09:11.21 | JY` | if it is not useful, it will fail :) |
| 09:11.35 | Groktar | ie lead to purples |
| 09:11.44 | JY` | yes |
| 09:11.46 | JY` | :) |
| 09:12.07 | JY` | rp fails because rp does not lead to purples :) |
| 09:12.21 | Groktar | and most dudes aren't really hawt for other dudes |
| 09:12.26 | Punkie | purples etc are a status thing |
| 09:12.37 | Punkie | so would be owning the neutral city |
| 09:12.56 | JY` | purples are here to own people, and gain status from that |
| 09:13.16 | JY` | not anymore in tbc |
| 09:13.16 | Groktar | meh |
| 09:13.17 | orionshock | there is a neutral city, it's called Hallaa |
| 09:13.18 | JY` | yes :p |
| 09:13.26 | Punkie | orionshock: don't make me laugh :P |
| 09:13.28 | JY` | and no one give a * about :) |
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| 09:13.40 | Groktar | i miss the way everone used to congregate in IF |
| 09:13.41 | JY` | tax idea may be nice |
| 09:13.47 | Groktar | and i could stand on the mailbox in my naxx gear |
| 09:13.50 | JY` | but need some more things |
| 09:13.53 | JY` | to make it useful |
| 09:13.56 | Groktar | and be that much more awesome than the bads in greens |
| 09:13.57 | Groktar | :( |
| 09:14.30 | Punkie | well before SW, i had pretty decent gear from BT etc |
| 09:14.45 | Punkie | after that i quitted, but still i would rarely get whispered |
| 09:15.01 | Punkie | however if i logged my old toon with hand of rag, i would still get whispered like once a minute :P |
| 09:15.04 | Groktar | now if i stand on top of the mailbox i get main fun of because of my gloves and helm |
| 09:15.05 | Groktar | :( |
| 09:21.22 | vithos | the one BT item i haven't replaced is the only item i ever get whispers about |
| 09:21.38 | Groktar | o? |
| 09:21.40 | vithos | (cursed vision) |
| 09:21.47 | Groktar | hehe |
| 09:22.17 | Groktar | i'm still using the offset gloves and helm from bt |
| 09:22.21 | Groktar | so ugly |
| 09:22.39 | Groktar | KJ needs to hurry up and die so i can get rid of them |
| 09:22.55 | vithos | KJ won't die for me either :( |
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| 09:24.37 | Groktar | blames Kazie |
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| 09:50.22 | [SW]Dodge | YaY Pitbull buggs again :( |
| 09:56.25 | Stanzilla | fix it! |
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| 10:14.11 | [SW]Dodge | how? ;D |
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| 10:28.19 | Punkie | [SW]Dodge: by installing a decent UF |
| 10:28.50 | [SW]Dodge | Punkie: :D i want an uf looking like my PB frames ^^ |
| 10:29.08 | Stanzilla | create your own oUF layout |
| 10:29.28 | Punkie | indeed |
| 10:29.46 | [SW]Dodge | :S |
| 10:30.01 | [SW]Dodge | i could continue work on Lunatic xD |
| 10:30.56 | [SW]Dodge | my own crappy UF addon :D |
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| 10:36.04 | Ikz | Hay ther. |
| 10:36.28 | Ikz | Does anyone know why Pitbull bugs out on target switches? |
| 10:36.33 | Ikz | It's done that since like, forever. |
| 10:37.59 | Stanzilla | explain "bugs out" |
| 10:38.18 | Zhinjio | it keeps the health of the previous target in place instead of registering the new target's health, until it changes |
| 10:38.22 | sylvanaar | meh GetRaidTargetIndex has a bug |
| 10:38.23 | Ikz | It displays correct health percentage, but the portrait is wrong, the bar's position is wrong, |
| 10:38.32 | Ikz | And name is also correct. |
| 10:38.35 | Zhinjio | thats what mine does, at any rate |
| 10:38.49 | Ikz | It's irritating to switch from a hunter pet to a warrior and have it still look like a hunter pet in the portrait |
| 10:39.00 | Ikz | Yeah, that's what I'm talking about |
| 10:39.11 | [SW]Dodge | Ikz: in worst case the health bar doesnt disapper :( |
| 10:39.12 | Stanzilla | if you are lucky, ckknight cares :P |
| 10:39.20 | Ikz | I've been very patient with Pitbull but I've been using it for months and months and the bug never got fixed |
| 10:39.33 | [SW]Dodge | got that problem 30min ago too ^^ |
| 10:39.47 | Ikz | Should I just give up on using Pitbull or what? |
| 10:40.08 | nevcairiel | Thats because the current version of PitBull was kinda abandoned by its author, and only some random people keep fixing it |
| 10:40.44 | [SW]Dodge | same to parrot :( |
| 10:40.50 | Ikz | I see, so what should I do? |
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| 10:41.30 | nevcairiel | I use the branch if agUF |
| 10:41.44 | [SW]Dodge | Ikz: i do /rl and continue playing, for me the bug doesnt apper often |
| 10:41.45 | nevcairiel | s/if/of/ |
| 10:42.30 | Ikz | the brance of agUF? |
| 10:44.16 | Fisker- | aren't drums raidwide in wotlk btw? |
| 10:44.47 | Ikz | branch* |
| 10:44.51 | Ikz | What branch are you talking about? |
| 10:45.29 | Stanzilla | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/ag_UnitFrames/Ace3-WotLK/ |
| 10:46.12 | Ikz | These give Pitbull-like flexibility? |
| 10:46.42 | nevcairiel | depends how much you really want |
| 10:46.47 | nevcairiel | it doesnt have dogtags =P |
| 10:47.42 | Ikz | ouch |
| 10:48.00 | nevcairiel | ouch? more like yay :) |
| 10:48.23 | Ikz | I attached a dogtag on my focus frame to keep track of polymorph duration |
| 10:49.41 | ReAn | so far from what i've seen, agUF is probably the best WotLK enabled unit frames |
| 10:49.50 | ReAn | xperl is a load of crap |
| 10:49.57 | ReAn | i don't know why so many people use it |
| 10:52.04 | Ikz | I'm going to rereredo my UI.. See I did a redesign just a couple months ago but it didn't turn out to be as great as I thought, I find myself missing having a viewport. |
| 10:54.10 | winkiller | ReAn: xperl has cool defaults. it's install - works in a sensible manner. try that wirth pitbull |
| 10:54.36 | Ikz | The thing I hate most about pitbull is the way it handles auras |
| 10:55.07 | ReAn | well, i wasn't comparing it to pitbull for one, and for two i can configure pitbull the way i like it in about 20 seconds |
| 10:55.20 | Ikz | You can now. |
| 10:55.25 | Ikz | You memorized your settings :p |
| 10:55.52 | ReAn | even the first time, it took me about 1 minute to disable the frames i didn't want, and about another minute to move them where i want |
| 10:55.54 | Ikz | The first time I used Pitbull I nixed it immediately. I nixed it because it drew about a thousand lines on my screen whenever I got into combat and I had no idea why |
| 10:56.02 | ReAn | other than that... it's pretty decent off the bat |
| 10:56.05 | ReAn | but like i said |
| 10:56.16 | ReAn | agUF is prolly my favorite right now |
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| 10:59.25 | winkiller | ReAn: well, if *something* is weird in pitbull, I need 10min per char to get it back to 100% |
| 10:59.33 | winkiller | it just has too many options :P I'm lost |
| 10:59.43 | Ikz | winkiller: profile system |
| 10:59.49 | Punkie | pitbull gave me stutters in game whenever i was in combat any time i installed it :P |
| 10:59.52 | winkiller | not really |
| 11:00.00 | winkiller | profile only solves half the issuews |
| 11:00.13 | winkiller | with 5-7 different classes you have specific needs |
| 11:01.31 | Ikz | I can't wait until 3.0 hits so I can work on my new bindings. |
| 11:02.03 | Ikz | Putting WotF and pvp trinket next to each other was the worst idea I've ever had. |
| 11:02.36 | ReAn | well |
| 11:02.42 | ReAn | less arguing about mods |
| 11:02.51 | ReAn | im going to go back to enjoying this daft punk live mix |
| 11:02.57 | nevcairiel | I should force my defaults onto agUF, they look so much better =P |
| 11:04.37 | winkiller | I can't wait for WotLK |
| 11:04.57 | nevcairiel | I cant wait for 3.0, so i can finally use all the improved 3.0 mods :) |
| 11:04.59 | winkiller | rm -rf Interface/AddOns/* |
| 11:05.13 | orionshock | what's the max shadow resist? |
| 11:05.14 | winkiller | I'm getting 30 fps instead of 56 lately |
| 11:05.24 | winkiller | and I cba enabling every mod and stuff |
| 11:05.33 | winkiller | so it will be a complete wipe of addons and WTF |
| 11:05.39 | winkiller | and then praying |
| 11:05.48 | Punkie | tbh when that happens i usually find that's just windows being shit |
| 11:06.05 | Punkie | reformat -> copy the exact same wow folder over -> max fps |
| 11:06.12 | ReAn | winkiller |
| 11:06.15 | ReAn | while you're at it |
| 11:06.24 | ReAn | rm -rf WTF/* |
| 11:06.34 | winkiller | as I said ^ |
| 11:06.36 | nevcairiel | orionshock: 365 against a 73/boss |
| 11:07.01 | winkiller | and yeah, I'll also reconfigure my raid from striping to mirroring |
| 11:07.13 | winkiller | (was a test) |
| 11:07.52 | ReAn | ok sleep time |
| 11:08.00 | ReAn | so i can work on my project tomorrow before work |
| 11:08.07 | ReAn | so maybe i can sneak in some modding time tomorrow night |
| 11:13.51 | [SW]Dodge | ~seen Adirelle |
| 11:13.52 | purl | adirelle <n=adirelle@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 18h 8m 6s ago, saying: 'btw, Tamaroth, "if toggle == true then" is redundant, just use "if toggle then"'. |
| 11:29.10 | FinalX | Punkie: defrag your disk then, it's just fragmentation... especially occurring after patching the mpq files |
| 11:29.34 | Punkie | I think you'll find it's not |
| 11:29.43 | Punkie | It's just windows being a terrible OS |
| 11:29.43 | FinalX | sure is |
| 11:29.52 | FinalX | it's the way FAT/NTFS work |
| 11:30.10 | Punkie | Ah I see, so explain why after I defragment I don't get the same performance ;) |
| 11:30.33 | Punkie | and I know how the filesystems work ;) |
| 11:31.28 | FinalX | because defrag doesn't always defrag the way it should or does what it tells you it's doing.. |
| 11:32.20 | FinalX | plus caching of applications in RAM -if your system has been running a long while-, or pollution of the registry after having used the same Windows install for ages.. |
| 11:32.23 | Punkie | that's why I wouldn't use the built in defrag |
| 11:32.54 | Punkie | FinalX: thanks for proving yourself wrong :P |
| 11:32.56 | FinalX | either way, defragmentation helps a whole lot. |
| 11:33.01 | FinalX | eh? |
| 11:33.05 | FinalX | joke's on you pal :p |
| 11:33.09 | Punkie | FinalX: plus caching of applications in RAM -if your system has been running a long while-, or pollution of the registry after having used the same Windows install for ages.. |
| 11:33.12 | charon | thinks every point FinalX makes reinforces the notion of "windows being a terrible OS" |
| 11:33.27 | Punkie | it's not just to do with fragmentation |
| 11:33.32 | FinalX | charon: I've never stated Windows was NOT a terrible OS. |
| 11:33.58 | FinalX | charon: I've only stated that with the particular problem mentioned, defragmentation helps a lot, because that's the biggest difference from going from an old install to a new install. |
| 11:34.09 | Punkie | registry pollution is terrible, i've seen ntuser.dat files being over 30meg |
| 11:34.13 | Punkie | that's insane |
| 11:34.32 | FinalX | charon: So thank you for pointing out the captain obvious statements again. |
| 11:34.46 | FinalX | Now go back to the stone you crawled from. |
| 11:34.52 | Punkie | and if you use another app, such as jkdefrag for example, which runs in an orderly fashion you should get the same results every time |
| 11:35.02 | Punkie | but unfortunately, it's not just fragmentation :( |
| 11:37.16 | charon | FinalX: like any self respecting troll, i have an entire cave at my disposal. hiding behind only a stone is for lesser beings |
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| 11:50.37 | winkiller | FinalX: defrag didn't help me either. and your HD doesn't get fragmented over night. my performance drop literally came out oif nowhere |
| 11:51.03 | Cheads | your cpu needs sleep, it's tired |
| 11:57.42 | [SW]Dodge | lool o.O "Transfer Aborted: instance not found" after casting "Teleport: Moonglade" on EU PTR |
| 11:57.59 | Lukian | kalimdor down? :p |
| 11:58.23 | [SW]Dodge | seems so :D |
| 11:58.45 | Lyn | i had this hunreds of times on beta when porting to archerus or dalaran :x |
| 12:00.07 | theoddone33 | If Frostfire Bolt gets counterspelled, it locks out both, Fire and Frost spells. |
| 12:00.07 | theoddone33 | Also, locking out either school will also lock out Frostfire Bolt. |
| 12:00.09 | theoddone33 | ouch |
| 12:00.14 | Maldivia | but Kalimdor is never down... that's the most stable continent on beta :| |
| 12:00.25 | theoddone33 | it didn't seem like it'd be useful in pvp anyway |
| 12:00.34 | Wobin | theoddone33: time for arcane =P |
| 12:00.50 | theoddone33 | I'm pretty excited about 61 frost |
| 12:00.55 | theoddone33 | even if it's not the best damage spec |
| 12:01.30 | Zhinjio | bah, cia is borked. |
| 12:01.36 | JY` | you should get exited for those instant pyroblast instead |
| 12:01.45 | JY` | it looks nice |
| 12:01.52 | theoddone33 | arcane is apparently ridiculous |
| 12:01.59 | theoddone33 | or so I hear |
| 12:02.18 | theoddone33 | but I'm extremely interested in the 5 second instacast ranged stun |
| 12:02.24 | theoddone33 | that I can shatter combo off of |
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| 12:04.30 | Zhinjio | I haven't tried out another UF mod in a lon time. |
| 12:04.32 | Zhinjio | long |
| 12:04.44 | Zhinjio | ag_UF,oUF... any other noteworthy? |
| 12:05.06 | theoddone33 | another other than... pitbull? |
| 12:05.14 | Zhinjio | thats what I'm using now |
| 12:05.46 | Stanzilla | there's sage by tuller |
| 12:05.57 | Zhinjio | I guess I'm fairly concerned about the longevity of any of ck's mods given his focus on other things now. |
| 12:06.10 | Zhinjio | not that they aren't currrently working, but ... lets say, in a month or two |
| 12:06.17 | Zhinjio | so it behooves me to look around |
| 12:09.08 | theoddone33 | improved water elemental restores 7.2% of the raid's total mana |
| 12:09.12 | theoddone33 | but that's not much per caster |
| 12:09.31 | theoddone33 | 720 mana against a 10k pool |
| 12:09.36 | theoddone33 | enough to cast 3 spells |
| 12:10.05 | theoddone33 | better than nothing but worth 3 talent points? |
| 12:10.17 | theoddone33 | I guess it's also a dps boost |
| 12:10.34 | Cheads | I'm still fond of Perl Classic Unit Frames :) |
| 12:10.45 | nocts | ouf and blizzard default, for me. |
| 12:12.21 | Zhinjio | is ouf on wau? |
| 12:12.23 | Zhinjio | I don't see it |
| 12:12.33 | Zhinjio | maybe I went too fast |
| 12:12.40 | Zhinjio | g'morning, ncots |
| 12:12.42 | Zhinjio | er, nocts |
| 12:12.48 | [SW]Dodge | DUF > ALL :( |
| 12:12.51 | Stanzilla | Zhinjio: on haste's git repo or wowi |
| 12:12.57 | Zhinjio | k |
| 12:13.42 | Stanzilla | and oUF is just a framework |
| 12:13.49 | Stanzilla | you need a layout, too |
| 12:18.31 | Zhinjio | nods. I saw that. |
| 12:18.46 | Zhinjio | well, I was going to make my own, essentially |
| 12:18.49 | Zhinjio | but yeah, I saw that. |
| 12:22.13 | Zhinjio | does aguf have a gui config or just menus? |
| 12:22.25 | Zhinjio | ah, nm |
| 12:24.32 | Arrowmaster | theoddone33: 3 spells? i dont think 720 would be enough to cast 2 spells for me at lvl 80 |
| 12:25.04 | theoddone33 | well hopefully your mana pool won't be 10k at 80 |
| 12:25.07 | theoddone33 | but I don't know |
| 12:25.19 | Arrowmaster | actually im almost certain its not enough to cast 2 spells at lvl 70 |
| 12:25.37 | theoddone33 | it gets back the mana from summoning the elemental at least |
| 12:25.40 | theoddone33 | which is nice |
| 12:25.56 | theoddone33 | and 720 to everyone in the raid over a minute is still handy |
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| 12:26.08 | theoddone33 | every 3 minutes |
| 12:26.22 | theoddone33 | every 144 seconds if you glyph for water elementalt |
| 12:37.07 | theoddone33 | so here's what I'm seeing for frost mage duels |
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| 12:37.56 | theoddone33 | pet nova, frostbolt deep freeze combo, cold snap, frostbolt, deep freeze, frostbolt, ice lance |
| 12:38.23 | theoddone33 | frostbolt ice lance alone can do 5k |
| 12:38.48 | theoddone33 | I don't think anything can live through frostbolt deep freeze frostbolt ice lance unless its lucky |
| 12:39.13 | theoddone33 | or trinkets |
| 12:39.24 | JY` | reflect ! |
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| 12:39.28 | JY` | <3 |
| 12:39.34 | theoddone33 | yeah reflecting a deep freeze |
| 12:39.36 | theoddone33 | I wonder how that works |
| 12:39.53 | JY` | what is deep freeze ? |
| 12:39.58 | theoddone33 | a 5 second stun |
| 12:39.58 | JY` | stun + dmg only on frozen ? |
| 12:40.14 | theoddone33 | yeah, instacast damage + stun, plus it counts as a frozen target for the 5s |
| 12:40.18 | theoddone33 | so you get shatter benefits |
| 12:40.26 | JY` | ah yes :p |
| 12:40.40 | theoddone33 | you'd have to spell reflect the first deep freeze |
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| 12:40.43 | JY` | thought it was usable only on frozen targets :p |
| 12:40.45 | theoddone33 | and if it was a pet combo you wouldn't really know |
| 12:40.48 | theoddone33 | it is |
| 12:40.54 | JY` | ^^ |
| 12:40.54 | theoddone33 | pet nova |
| 12:40.56 | JY` | mmh |
| 12:41.18 | theoddone33 | sounds fun to me |
| 12:41.23 | theoddone33 | for the mage at least |
| 12:41.24 | JY` | reflected ice lance do not get frozen target benefit |
| 12:41.31 | JY` | +es |
| 12:41.32 | theoddone33 | yeaeh |
| 12:41.41 | theoddone33 | I'm not sure if deep freeze would work reflected |
| 12:41.46 | theoddone33 | since the caster isn't frozen |
| 12:41.57 | JY` | does it says "cannot use on this target" ? |
| 12:41.59 | theoddone33 | who knows |
| 12:42.02 | JY` | or something like that |
| 12:42.03 | JY` | :p |
| 12:42.13 | theoddone33 | I'd tell you but I'm patching up my wotlk |
| 12:42.18 | JY` | :) |
| 12:42.41 | Groktar | fricking hallucinations |
| 12:42.49 | Groktar | can't bring myself to go back to bed now |
| 12:43.17 | JY` | fortunately, a patch made frostbite being reflected :p |
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| 12:43.28 | JY` | when you reflected a frostbolt |
| 12:43.51 | theoddone33 | ah but I'm not taking frostbite in my level 70 spec |
| 12:44.31 | theoddone33 | it will be sad to not have the root, but for damage purposes fingers of frost is equivilent |
| 12:44.50 | JY` | i'm leveling dual frost mage |
| 12:44.59 | JY` | actually i had to respec fire because < lvl 30 |
| 12:45.50 | JY` | but 2 mages proccing freeze effects should be nice |
| 12:47.31 | theoddone33 | insta-invisibility in arcane tree is interesting |
| 12:47.36 | theoddone33 | but also apparently broken currently |
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| 12:49.31 | theoddone33 | oh and water elemental is 72 mp5 assuming a 10k pool, but it scales upwards |
| 12:49.36 | theoddone33 | 72 mp5 is pretty good |
| 12:49.47 | theoddone33 | even if it's only every other minute |
| 12:49.57 | whatsinthename | tell me why will one want to plug in your addons config into blizzard's config interface |
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| 13:05.47 | [SW]Dodge | whatsinthename: for those who dont like /commands ^^ |
| 13:14.59 | Groktar | what does consecration tick for from a decently geared paladin? |
| 13:15.20 | Groktar | say, t6 bonus and 600dmg? |
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| 13:27.45 | Lukian | unbuffed? |
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| 13:28.55 | Xinhuan | * NEW - Texture:SetRotation(angle [,cx, cy]) - This is simply a shorthand for the appropriate 8 argument SetTexCoord rotation (in C++ so it's fast) |
| 13:28.58 | Groktar | just ballpark |
| 13:28.59 | Xinhuan | whoa, i didn't notice that one |
| 13:29.19 | Groktar | like is it in the 200 area or the 300 area |
| 13:29.58 | Lukian | unbuffed: 150/tick +10% t6 bonus |
| 13:30.06 | Groktar | kk |
| 13:30.06 | Groktar | ty |
| 13:30.07 | Lukian | so 165ish |
| 13:30.48 | Groktar | and ticks every second? |
| 13:30.55 | Lukian | yes |
| 13:30.59 | Groktar | kk |
| 13:31.19 | Lukian | (a paladin could probably hit ~800+ spelldmg buffed in a threat optimised set) |
| 13:32.01 | Groktar | ya, here's ours: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Aldaria |
| 13:32.08 | Groktar | and he's definitely got some gaps in his gear |
| 13:32.42 | Groktar | 564dmg |
| 13:33.09 | Lukian | 804Holy |
| 13:33.14 | Groktar | o |
| 13:33.18 | Lukian | note his buffs though |
| 13:33.30 | Groktar | so 724 |
| 13:33.39 | Groktar | and that's definitely not threat optimized |
| 13:33.57 | Lukian | Kiru's has spelldmg too doesn't it? :o |
| 13:34.15 | Groktar | not that i know of |
| 13:34.22 | Groktar | just int and untalented fort |
| 13:35.05 | Lukian | ah yup |
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| 13:36.20 | Lukian | lol @ deftness |
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| 13:37.01 | Groktar | hehe |
| 13:37.17 | Groktar | that's what happens when people's alts switch to mains |
| 13:37.39 | Groktar | getting them tier gear is easy, but everything is a massive pita |
| 13:37.52 | Lukian | haha yeah |
| 13:38.17 | Groktar | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Flak |
| 13:38.23 | Lukian | he's under the crit cap in that gear o.O |
| 13:38.25 | Groktar | look at my trinkets/gloves/helm |
| 13:38.55 | Groktar | it was for KJ adds |
| 13:38.59 | Groktar | aren't they 70? |
| 13:39.17 | Lukian | ah that'd be fine then |
| 13:40.10 | Lukian | Groktar, look alright to me ;) |
| 13:40.11 | Lukian | lol |
| 13:40.36 | Groktar | they're UGLY! |
| 13:40.49 | Groktar | must kill KJ nao |
| 13:41.11 | Groktar | so i can be the best looking priest on the server |
| 13:42.44 | nevcairiel | no you cant! |
| 13:43.07 | nevcairiel | You're a human, afterall |
| 13:43.18 | Groktar | what what |
| 13:43.45 | Groktar | i guess a female draenei could look better |
| 13:43.50 | Groktar | but there are none of those in sunwell |
| 13:44.00 | nevcairiel | we have one shadow of those |
| 13:45.11 | Stanzilla | female human > * |
| 13:45.16 | Cheads | on my chat generel tab, I've removed General channel.. but when I relog it's set back.. wasn't there some addon that fixed that? |
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| 13:48.19 | Cheads | hmm thought that was supposed to be fixed in 2.4.2 =( |
| 13:57.52 | Ikz | Use the chat filters |
| 14:00.12 | Cheads | yes, that's what I'm doing... right click my generel tab... and uncheck Generel Char... and after relog it's there again |
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| 14:07.51 | acemoo | how do i use recount2? |
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| 14:18.22 | Groktar | i love making a long post on the wow forums and having the thing eat it |
| 14:18.30 | Groktar | good thing i typed it out in openoffice first |
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| 14:21.32 | Maldivia | Groktar: I always check in a nother tab first if I'm still logged in after typing in long messages like that :) |
| 14:26.03 | Hjalte | acemoo: If you want a real damage meter, just stick with Recount. Recount 2 is still being tested and doesn't offer a lot of the things that Recount has. |
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| 14:27.59 | [SW]Dodge | It seems there is a bug in Routes/TomTom :( |
| 14:28.46 | [SW]Dodge | Xinhuan: ping ^ |
| 14:28.53 | Xinhuan | ? |
| 14:29.05 | [SW]Dodge | i set Waypoint hit discance to 15 |
| 14:29.26 | [SW]Dodge | and my tomtom shows "0 yard" but the arrow wont show next node :( |
| 14:29.49 | [SW]Dodge | s/shows/waypoint arrow shows/ |
| 14:29.58 | Xinhuan | recreate the route? |
| 14:30.22 | Xinhuan | although i doubt that would work |
| 14:30.33 | Xinhuan | clad probably changed something in tomtom |
| 14:30.46 | [SW]Dodge | recreated, wont work |
| 14:30.52 | [SW]Dodge | :/ |
| 14:31.29 | Xinhuan | there's something about the waypoint system in tomtom |
| 14:31.40 | Xinhuan | such that changing the value in the options doesn't make it take effect immediately |
| 14:31.58 | Xinhuan | because of the way it uses tables internally, i can't recycle to use the same table |
| 14:32.16 | Xinhuan | you have to like, stop the route and start it again or reload ui or something |
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| 14:33.45 | [SW]Dodge | doh :( i'll follow the route w/o tomtom, currently i just need some glowcaps. |
| 14:33.59 | [SW]Dodge | and as i dont play the char for what i would need routes no longer its not that bad for me :P |
| 14:37.07 | Xinhuan | well |
| 14:37.12 | Xinhuan | just set the yard range u want |
| 14:37.17 | Xinhuan | and reloadui and try again or something |
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| 14:42.21 | [SW]Dodge | Xinhuan: the waypoint didnt even disapper if i was exactly on its position, so i dont thinks taht it would work, but i can try it if i back in game ;) |
| 14:42.44 | Xinhuan | it has to do with how tomtom detects positions |
| 14:42.54 | Xinhuan | what cladhaire did was he set multiple "radius points" |
| 14:43.04 | Xinhuan | and if you cross from one radius point to another, it triggers the callback |
| 14:43.30 | [SW]Dodge | ah, so if i allready are inside that radius it wont be called? |
| 14:43.32 | Xinhuan | say you set the distance at 50 yards, if you cross from 51 to 49 yards, that triggers the callback |
| 14:44.16 | Xinhuan | something like that |
| 14:45.16 | Xinhuan | to that effect, tomtom maintains a callback table |
| 14:45.20 | Xinhuan | at different distances |
| 14:45.28 | Xinhuan | so you could set a callback at 30 yards and another at 50 yards |
| 14:45.35 | Xinhuan | and it would call those when it crosses over those points |
| 14:45.46 | Xinhuan | and it maintains a "state" which radii you are currently in |
| 14:45.47 | [SW]Dodge | waypoint distance: 15 |
| 14:45.57 | Xinhuan | so, i can't modify that callback table |
| 14:46.00 | [SW]Dodge | my distance to the waypoint 58 yard |
| 14:46.14 | [SW]Dodge | it wont disappear :( |
| 14:46.29 | Xinhuan | yeah well you didn't fly close enough yet? |
| 14:46.43 | Xinhuan | you have to go to 14 yards or closer to trigger it |
| 14:46.46 | Xinhuan | if u set it at 15 |
| 14:46.59 | [SW]Dodge | i am 0 yards away ^^ |
| 14:47.12 | [SW]Dodge | the crazy arrow shows "0 yards" |
| 14:47.26 | Xinhuan | dunno, feel free to debug it |
| 14:47.42 | Xinhuan | does it even work at the default of 50? |
| 14:48.44 | [SW]Dodge | with 50 it doesnt work too |
| 14:49.57 | Xinhuan | what version of tomtom? |
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| 14:50.32 | Xinhuan | the last one i tested it with was version 153 btw |
| 14:50.38 | Xinhuan | so feel free to revert |
| 14:50.49 | Xinhuan | or find out what changed since r153 |
| 14:51.07 | [SW]Dodge | i should have r165 |
| 14:51.58 | Xinhuan | as far as i know routes doesn't have any commit |
| 14:52.09 | [SW]Dodge | hm ok, i'll check if i can find the changes in tomtom that could cause routs to "die" :D |
| 14:52.14 | Xinhuan | since 2 patches ago |
| 14:53.34 | Stanzilla | you could just ask cladhaire :P |
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| 14:53.49 | cladhaire | oro? |
| 14:54.01 | Xinhuan | yep correct, last commit to routes is on June 4th |
| 14:54.15 | Xinhuan | another one was on sept 14, but that was only to add data lines to include wotlk zone sizes |
| 14:55.29 | cladhaire | if something changed that broke, let me know. |
| 14:56.11 | dafire | btw there is a problem with lightheaded and tomtom on the coordinate parsing |
| 14:56.22 | dafire | maybe only in the german version .9 |
| 14:56.27 | cladhaire | ? |
| 14:56.30 | cladhaire | wrath or live? |
| 14:56.51 | dafire | live.. i guess it's because of the , . switch... |
| 14:57.11 | dafire | when the sentence is like "The coordinates are 45,32." |
| 14:57.13 | cladhaire | I do not parse any coordinates that aren't in x, y format |
| 14:57.40 | dafire | it parses [45,32.] |
| 14:58.05 | dafire | and that will cause an wow error because of the 32. |
| 14:58.31 | cladhaire | then i'll have to look into it |
| 14:58.52 | dafire | thanks .) |
| 15:00.09 | [SW]Dodge | i suppose that the changes with Astrolabe broke routes, but i'm not sure as i'm not yet deep in teh code :D |
| 15:01.17 | cladhaire | what changes with astrolabe? |
| 15:01.29 | cladhaire | nothing there should have affected anything.. and there were lots of other changes about |
| 15:01.36 | cladhaire | but they had nothing to do with Astrolabe |
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| 15:02.13 | [SW]Dodge | well the Astrolabe stuff is the biggest change between r153 and current ;D |
| 15:02.53 | dafire | btw i got you book .. i like it ;9 |
| 15:03.34 | cladhaire | thanks :P |
| 15:04.26 | cladhaire | [SW]Dodge: no, look at the changelog |
| 15:04.29 | cladhaire | I made MASSIVE changes |
| 15:04.42 | cladhaire | Fixed a number of massive bugs in TomTom's zoning code |
| 15:04.44 | cladhaire | for example |
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| 15:05.15 | dafire | i think another thing that bugs is the "remove all waypoint" thing .. but I'll check at home :) |
| 15:05.19 | [SW]Dodge | i currently have diffs from TomTom.lua and TomTom_Waypoints.lua and there arent that much changes (r153 and current) |
| 15:06.19 | Xinhuan | its not just that file i think |
| 15:06.36 | cladhaire | just because its not many lines of code change.. doesn't mean that a lot hasn't changed. |
| 15:06.51 | Hjalte | Oh, fade drops all threat now... Nice. |
| 15:06.57 | [SW]Dodge | yea ok thats true ^^ |
| 15:07.39 | cladhaire | if you can track anything down let me know |
| 15:07.50 | cladhaire | or give me somethign reproducable. |
| 15:08.24 | Fisker- | http://i33.tinypic.com/2ly4jt5.jpg <-yay |
| 15:08.31 | Fisker- | doh |
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| 15:10.35 | [SW]Dodge | cladhaire: get routes, create a route, start tomtom usage, move to waypoint, it wont disappear :) in tomtom "clear waypint distance" is set to 10 and in routes "waypoint hit distance" is set to 50; and the waypoint arrow shows 0 yards as distance |
| 15:10.45 | [SW]Dodge | but it wont clear |
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| 15:11.06 | cladhaire | the tomtom option doesn't matter |
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| 15:11.23 | cladhaire | since routes waypoints don't use tomtom's options, they use routes |
| 15:11.34 | cladhaire | but i'll _try_ to look at it |
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| 15:16.19 | Xinhuan | everything in routes that uses tomtom is in tomtom.lua in the \modules folder ;p |
| 15:16.27 | Xinhuan | its just like 60 lines |
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| 15:17.34 | [SW]Dodge | cladhaire: if you have 1 minute check TomTom.lua line 661 there is self:AddZWaypoint() called from TomTom:AddWaypoint(), the 9th parameter in teh call is silent, but 3 lines below :AddZWaypoint has silent as 10th parameter |
| 15:18.05 | [SW]Dodge | the 9th in AddZWaypoint delcaration is custom_callbacks, could that be the problem? :O |
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| 15:19.40 | cladhaire | [SW]Dodge: okay, yes probably |
| 15:19.51 | cladhaire | if so that's an easy fix |
| 15:19.54 | cladhaire | will have to look |
| 15:23.29 | [SW]Dodge | mhm routes uses SetCustomWaypoint which calls AddZWaypoint with callbacks and not just silent :S |
| 15:24.19 | Xinhuan | yah i was advised to use the public api, and not the direct api |
| 15:24.26 | Xinhuan | which was commented out |
| 15:24.30 | Xinhuan | in the code in routes |
| 15:24.35 | Xinhuan | in 3 places |
| 15:24.35 | [SW]Dodge | yea i see it |
| 15:24.36 | [SW]Dodge | ^^ |
| 15:24.43 | Xinhuan | but the direct one works too |
| 15:24.45 | Fisker- | btw Xinhuan |
| 15:24.49 | Fisker- | does Xinhuan mean anything? >:3 |
| 15:25.08 | Xinhuan | its my name irl ;p |
| 15:25.42 | Xinhuan | xin = new, huan = change, if you do a direct chinese-english translation that is |
| 15:26.14 | Funkeh` | oh |
| 15:26.24 | Funkeh` | Fx 3.0.2 out |
| 15:26.35 | Xinhuan | indeed |
| 15:26.41 | Xinhuan | out yesterday |
| 15:28.35 | sb | FX 3.0.2 bugged |
| 15:28.38 | sb | wait for 3.0.3 ;) |
| 15:29.22 | Funkeh` | How is it bugged? |
| 15:30.27 | Funkeh` | Mr sb |
| 15:30.45 | Stanzilla | *updates his FX3.1 nightly* |
| 15:30.56 | sb | Funkeh`: password management |
| 15:31.11 | sb | Funkeh`: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/e047739c7e3345f0/67d18ecf25844dd9?show_docid=67d18ecf25844dd9 |
| 15:31.24 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla, I use minefield too, in a sndbox |
| 15:31.33 | Funkeh` | but I'm not going to update it daily |
| 15:31.37 | Stanzilla | I only use it for website and javascript speed tests |
| 15:31.40 | Stanzilla | opera is my main browser |
| 15:31.52 | nevcairiel | ew opera |
| 15:32.02 | Stanzilla | it's teh awesome |
| 15:32.25 | Funkeh` | sb, good that Im not affected :) |
| 15:33.53 | Stanzilla | nom nom latest change is a new tab button on the tab bar |
| 15:36.03 | Funkeh` | for minefield Stanzilla ? |
| 15:36.20 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 15:37.24 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bbc07a9bf556 |
| 15:37.25 | Fisker- | Nice Stanzilla |
| 15:37.28 | Fisker- | only a couple of years late |
| 15:38.33 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 15:38.38 | Funkeh` | I'll update my sandbox |
| 15:39.21 | Fisker- | i'll update my minefield |
| 15:39.25 | Fisker- | *ow my leg* |
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| 15:42.29 | Funkeh` | syeren, Can I have your babies? |
| 15:43.12 | Funkeh` | Stanzilla, haha |
| 15:43.18 | Funkeh` | It's a BIT FAR to the right |
| 15:43.35 | Funkeh` | They need to take a look at ie or chrome |
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| 15:44.05 | Funkeh` | Imo it should only dock there if there's so many tabs it goes out the screen |
| 15:44.34 | AckisWork | ace3 config, select type argument, values= function() return {[1] = L["Name"], [2] = L["Skill"], [3] = L["Acquisition"]} end, <== will that work? |
| 15:44.55 | Stanzilla | 17:43 · You are now Exalted with Thorium Brotherhood. < yay me |
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| 15:47.43 | Xinhuan | Ackis, it will work |
| 15:47.56 | Xinhuan | except that a new table is returned every refresh/click |
| 15:48.40 | AckisWork | it's only changed once in a while so that's not a huge issue, but what's the appropriate way to do that then? |
| 15:48.41 | Xinhuan | and since its just [1] [2] [3], you dont' even need that listed |
| 15:48.56 | Xinhuan | i mean every click u do in acegui in the config |
| 15:49.08 | Xinhuan | will cause the acegui to refresh the config and call the values= function |
| 15:49.38 | AckisWork | http://ace.pastey.net/96734 |
| 15:49.59 | Gagorian | well the proper way would be doing local t = { bla }; values = function() return t end, |
| 15:50.01 | AckisWork | well I want the value of 1 to be saved but I want "Name" to be displayed |
| 15:50.20 | Xinhuan | return {[1] = L["Name"], [2] = L["Skill"], [3] = L["Acquisition"]} |
| 15:50.22 | Xinhuan | is the same as |
| 15:50.29 | Xinhuan | return {L["Name"], L["Skill"], L["Acquisition"]} |
| 15:50.30 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 15:50.45 | AckisWork | (I used to have them named differently btw) :P |
| 15:51.48 | AckisWork | so essentially I'd want a do end block where I go local foo = {L["Name"], L["Skill"], L["Acquisition"]} then my function returns foo |
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| 15:54.47 | AckisWork | taking this further, when I have the call: AceConfigReg:RegisterOptionsTable("Ackis Recipe List Sorting",giveSorting) the function giveSorting is only called once right? (I have it in oninit) |
| 15:55.48 | Xinhuan | dunno |
| 15:56.59 | AckisWork | I thought you knew everything :( |
| 15:57.07 | AckisWork | btw I'm at 15/99 decks for exalted darkmoon faire lol |
| 15:57.24 | Xinhuan | i'm at 3225/12000 |
| 15:57.34 | Xinhuan | with 6 decks in bank |
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| 15:57.52 | AckisWork | we're about the same |
| 15:58.01 | AckisWork | haven't really touched ravenholdt though |
| 15:58.10 | Xinhuan | exalted that one ages ago ;p |
| 15:58.13 | Xinhuan | i didn't do pirates |
| 15:58.16 | Xinhuan | i will have to do that one |
| 15:58.24 | Xinhuan | and regrind 84000 steamwheedel rep |
| 15:58.29 | AckisWork | hah |
| 15:58.41 | AckisWork | I won't do pirates |
| 15:59.06 | AckisWork | playing WAR, rewriting ARL, writing collectinator as well = a lot of time |
| 15:59.44 | Fisker- | failhammer |
| 16:01.25 | Stanzilla | Xinhuan: you want to grind pirates to exalted? |
| 16:01.37 | Xinhuan | i don't think its possible is it? |
| 16:01.45 | AckisWork | you can do it if you don't do the quests |
| 16:01.49 | Xinhuan | what quests |
| 16:01.50 | AckisWork | ie: get the pirate hat/etc |
| 16:02.05 | Xinhuan | from revered to exalted doesn't it take 21000 kills? |
| 16:02.09 | AckisWork | yes |
| 16:02.12 | Xinhuan | with a respawn of 5 min? |
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| 16:02.20 | Xinhuan | lua> 21000*5/60/24 |
| 16:02.20 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 72.916666666667 |
| 16:02.25 | Xinhuan | no thx? |
| 16:02.31 | whatsinthename | is there any documentation for LibSink? |
| 16:02.50 | AckisWork | well you can get to 20999/21000 from kills to get over exalted you need to do the quest |
| 16:02.56 | Stanzilla | hehehe |
| 16:03.06 | AckisWork | Funkeh`: CIA bot isn't talking in here! :( :P |
| 16:03.10 | Xinhuan | well |
| 16:03.16 | Xinhuan | even if i devote 3 hours per day to it |
| 16:03.19 | Xinhuan | lua> 21000*5/60/24*3 |
| 16:03.19 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 218.75 |
| 16:03.23 | Xinhuan | that's 210 days or 7 months |
| 16:03.36 | nevcairiel | And i thought you were crazy like that |
| 16:03.38 | Xinhuan | oh wait |
| 16:03.49 | AckisWork | aren't you max hated with them? |
| 16:03.55 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 16:04.02 | Xinhuan | but i was only counting revered -> exalted |
| 16:04.08 | AckisWork | yah that's going to take a while to get to neutral even |
| 16:05.08 | Xinhuan | nah only about 2 days |
| 16:05.10 | fewyn[work] | talking about bloodsail? |
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| 16:05.24 | fewyn[work] | I'm probably going to embark on that path this weekend on the lock |
| 16:05.55 | AckisWork | how much rep do you get from killng bruisers? |
| 16:05.58 | fewyn[work] | just need to find a good spot for my lock to farm |
| 16:06.04 | fewyn[work] | not enough |
| 16:06.25 | Xinhuan | 75 each |
| 16:06.32 | AckisWork | even at 80? |
| 16:06.39 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 16:06.40 | AckisWork | err 70 |
| 16:06.42 | fewyn[work] | they will be bumped to 75 |
| 16:06.45 | Xinhuan | well i think so |
| 16:06.47 | AckisWork | ahh ok that's not that bad then |
| 16:06.48 | fewyn[work] | right now they are level 65 |
| 16:07.14 | Xinhuan | well u see |
| 16:07.18 | Xinhuan | getting admiral title isn't difficult |
| 16:07.33 | Xinhuan | its getting back to exalted with all 4 goblins that is |
| 16:07.38 | fewyn[work] | getting back into booty bay is |
| 16:07.42 | Xinhuan | even if i sacrifice pirate erp |
| 16:07.44 | Xinhuan | rep |
| 16:07.47 | Xinhuan | and let it go back to full hated |
| 16:07.51 | AckisWork | Xinhuan: that's just a million dire maul runs :P |
| 16:07.55 | fewyn[work] | all you want is the hat :D |
| 16:07.55 | Xinhuan | it'll still take months |
| 16:08.02 | Xinhuan | no i just want the title ;p |
| 16:08.05 | fewyn[work] | and the title is cool too |
| 16:08.10 | fewyn[work] | i mainly want the hat |
| 16:08.33 | fewyn[work] | I need to change my locks name tho |
| 16:08.36 | fewyn[work] | His sucks |
| 16:12.45 | Fisker- | Horde: |
| 16:12.45 | Fisker- | Eastern Kingdoms - 550 |
| 16:12.45 | Fisker- | Kalmidor: 700 |
| 16:12.45 | Fisker- | Alliance: |
| 16:12.45 | Fisker- | Eastern Kingdoms: 700 |
| 16:12.45 | Fisker- | Kalimdor: 730 |
| 16:12.47 | Fisker- | tsk |
| 16:12.51 | Fisker- | Blizzard doesn't care about horde |
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| 16:18.41 | [SW]Dodge | Xinhuan: i have a solution (but maybe "workaround" is a better word). Routes adds his waypoints w/o let tomtom show them on minimap and worldmap. that causes that they wont get an OnUpdate event and so the waypoint does never check if you hit it or not, and without that check ther will be no callback that you hit it. |
| 16:19.00 | Xinhuan | but it used to work? |
| 16:19.04 | Xinhuan | so what changed? |
| 16:19.06 | [SW]Dodge | the easiest way would be to enable display on minimap |
| 16:19.30 | Xinhuan | reason why i didn't want it on minimap is because it will overlap with the gathermate/gatherer/carto icon you have at the same point |
| 16:19.45 | [SW]Dodge | hm what changed i dont know (will check now), just found teh way to get it to work with a small change in routes |
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| 16:20.02 | Xinhuan | like i said there were no commits to routes since june |
| 16:20.05 | [SW]Dodge | mhm ok thats true, well i'll check what changed and try to fix tomtom :D |
| 16:26.46 | cladhaire | [SW]Dodge: I can fix it |
| 16:26.47 | cladhaire | give me a second |
| 16:27.04 | [SW]Dodge | okay :) |
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| 16:28.36 | cladhaire | [SW]Dodge: What was your diagnosis? |
| 16:28.50 | cladhaire | the waypoint should still get an OnUpdate regardless of whether or not its shown on the minimap or world map |
| 16:28.54 | cladhaire | those things aren't the same |
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| 16:30.37 | cladhaire | [SW]Dodge: on TomTom_Waypoints.lua line 313, change it to if not dist or IsInInstance() then |
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| 16:30.41 | cladhaire | and let me know if that helps |
| 16:30.51 | cladhaire | it'll likely break other things that you might not see, but I can hunt them down |
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| 16:32.02 | [SW]Dodge | works! |
| 16:32.02 | [SW]Dodge | :D |
| 16:33.46 | [SW]Dodge | so it got his onUpdate once and hides it self => no longer OnUpdate :D |
| 16:34.03 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 16:34.04 | nevcairiel | thats how it works |
| 16:34.08 | cladhaire | i need to do something else with the disabled flag there |
| 16:34.13 | Pkekyo| | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1222358950097.jpg |
| 16:34.15 | cladhaire | to make siure it doesn't show the minimap icon |
| 16:35.56 | whatsinthename | anyone have a link to Sink-2.0 docs? the comment in the lua is broken |
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| 16:41.01 | nevcairiel | I think the wiki page was lost in the big wiki-burning of 2008 (or was it 2007?) |
| 16:41.03 | NeoTron | I got a Brewfest kodo last night. whee |
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| 16:42.43 | fewyn[work] | diaf NeoTron |
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| 16:44.26 | fewyn[work] | nien |
| 16:45.51 | AckisWork | http://alarwowaddons.googlecode.com |
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| 16:52.10 | Yssaril | is it jsut me or is http://beta.wowace.com/ down? |
| 16:52.27 | AckisWork | it's up for me :( |
| 16:52.56 | Yssaril | hmm it takes me to google.com for some reason |
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| 16:54.56 | NeoTron | so I think "Boss Encounters" is a rather bad category for things like, oh, general raid addons |
| 16:57.10 | EthanCentaurai | Yssaril: are you typing beta.wowace.com into the address box or the search box? :) |
| 16:57.39 | Yssaril | EthanCentaurai: definatly address tried it on several browsers |
| 16:57.58 | Yssaril | wowace.com works fine though |
| 16:58.12 | EthanCentaurai | strange :S |
| 16:58.18 | Yssaril | yep |
| 16:59.48 | Yssaril | hmm now it works again |
| 17:06.36 | NeoTron | has anyone tried the 3 passenger mammoth mount ni the latest build? |
| 17:06.48 | NeoTron | curious if the "vendor" aspect work and of so which vendors it has.. |
| 17:08.10 | EthanCentaurai | I'd tell you but the patch won't start downloading... been stuck on 0 bytes for an hour now :( |
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| 17:08.26 | Groktar | dances on your corpse |
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| 17:22.46 | Lukian | Any huds up to date for 3.0? |
| 17:23.47 | Groktar | http://www.theforum.com/photos/data/500/sup.jpg |
| 17:23.53 | Groktar | ew ew |
| 17:24.40 | Pkekyo| | ~ugt |
| 17:24.41 | purl | [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 17:28.01 | ulic | Groktar: why? why do you paste such things? You are mean. |
| 17:28.04 | Kolie | Anyone getting repeated crashes when trying to start the latest CurseClient ( 2.0.0.11 ) ? I have a potential fix im desperate to test out, any info would be really really helpful. |
| 17:28.27 | Groktar | ulic: because someone else made me look at it |
| 17:28.43 | ulic | that's a terrible excuse. |
| 17:30.55 | ulic | at least you provided the 'ew ew'. I should have resisted with that comment. |
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| 17:33.17 | Vulcanus | Windows cannot find Updater.exe http://mediabeta.curse.com/CurseClient/CurseClient-2.0.0.11.exe [...] |
| 17:33.19 | Groktar | lol |
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| 17:35.02 | Kolie | Vulcanus: http://mediabeta.curse.com/CurseClient/CurseSetup-2.0.0.11.exe ( this was released to fix the exact problem you mention ) |
| 17:35.28 | Vulcanus | mk, installing |
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| 17:35.58 | NivFreak | !@3 |
| 17:36.04 | NivFreak | almost got 8/9 in 3 hours last night |
| 17:36.14 | NivFreak | and people start failing at council |
| 17:36.16 | NivFreak | sigh |
| 17:36.21 | Kolie | NivFreak: ever run the .app? |
| 17:36.34 | NivFreak | Kolie: sorry, one of my two raid nights so I didn't get a chance to yet |
| 17:36.36 | NivFreak | I will tonight |
| 17:37.19 | Vulcanus | I don't seem to have crashing problems with .11, so can't provide moar info Im afraid. Thanks for the installer link though :) |
| 17:37.31 | NivFreak | I decided not to try a new updater out a couple hours before raid ;) |
| 17:37.33 | Kolie | Vulcanus: its good that you dont crash.. i think. |
| 17:37.40 | Vulcanus | hehe XD |
| 17:38.06 | NeoTron | Kolie: there's a .app now? |
| 17:38.15 | Kolie | NivFreak: see what you started. |
| 17:38.54 | NivFreak | haha |
| 17:39.09 | Vulcanus | All the mac bastards come creeping out the woodwork |
| 17:39.19 | Kolie | There is a .app if your not afraid of pre alpha copies of software that have half of what we want in the beta testing missing. |
| 17:39.52 | NivFreak | and may set your machine on fire |
| 17:40.37 | Kolie | It's longer then the list of side effects of most psychotrpic drugs, the things that it may do. |
| 17:41.00 | Groktar | ooh |
| 17:41.03 | KriLL3 | anyone got some quick hints on fighting a shadow priest as feral? |
| 17:41.10 | Groktar | if only i had a mac :( |
| 17:41.15 | KriLL3 | they just remove all my hots and shield against my dps |
| 17:41.20 | NeoTron | KriLL3: 1) stealth, 2) sneak away |
| 17:41.28 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: he ganked me, I want revenge |
| 17:41.38 | NeoTron | when OOC, mount your instant cast birdie and fly away! |
| 17:41.41 | NeoTron | hehe |
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| 17:43.28 | NeoTron | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30853280@N08/2884652691/sizes/o/ SFW and all too true! |
| 17:44.02 | NivFreak | lol |
| 17:44.24 | Groktar | haha |
| 17:44.26 | Groktar | i approve |
| 17:46.19 | VonhintenHOME` | Not sure I understand that one |
| 17:46.27 | Vulcanus | Any plans on enabling custom date format in Curse Client btw? I like expanded EU format, the slashes always confuses me as to what is day and what is month :( |
| 17:47.10 | Groktar | read the signature VonhintenHOME` |
| 17:47.15 | KriLL3 | the US replays the mantra of "land of the free home of the brave" and "best nation on earth" over and over until they thought it true no matter what the reality was |
| 17:47.22 | Groktar | Charles Darwin |
| 17:47.27 | Industrial | also, LOLOL pledge of allegiance "one nation under god". scrap both please. |
| 17:47.32 | VonhintenHOME` | Oh, I couldn't make it out |
| 17:47.48 | Groktar | the under god part wasn't added that long ago |
| 17:47.48 | KriLL3 | they failed to realize that to be great you need to maintain it, you can't just coast on history |
| 17:47.54 | Groktar | like in the last 80 years, iirc |
| 17:48.03 | kenlyric | 1950s |
| 17:48.06 | kenlyric | to fight the commies |
| 17:48.09 | Groktar | hehe |
| 17:48.20 | kenlyric | In god we trust became standard then to |
| 17:48.25 | kenlyric | it was randomly put on money before that |
| 17:48.27 | KriLL3 | comical how terrified the US was of the commies |
| 17:48.38 | NivFreak | and vice versa |
| 17:48.42 | kenlyric | well, they were pretty terrifying |
| 17:48.45 | ckknight | what? they had nukes and threatened our economic system |
| 17:48.52 | kenlyric | and mean, it's not like there weren't spies here |
| 17:48.52 | Industrial | wtf? how retarded is that? since when does state have anytihng to do with religion? (in developed countries) |
| 17:49.03 | kenlyric | and it wasn't like they weren't trying to overthrow the government |
| 17:49.18 | KriLL3 | they never really did threaten your economic system that I know, and both of you had nukes, any use of them would ensure mutual destruction |
| 17:49.21 | Industrial | ckknight: not like you have 10 times as many nukes as the rest of the world combined or anything.. |
| 17:49.34 | ckknight | it doesn't matter, Industrial |
| 17:49.38 | kenlyric | sure, now |
| 17:49.39 | NivFreak | yes, we have nukes, now do what we say |
| 17:49.50 | ckknight | one nuke can blow up a lot of people |
| 17:49.53 | NivFreak | just not what our government says |
| 17:49.54 | KriLL3 | the US has enough nukes to destroy the surface of the planet 5 times over or something like that |
| 17:49.55 | NivFreak | because they fail |
| 17:49.57 | VonhintenHOME` | Give us your oil, fuckers. |
| 17:49.59 | ckknight | so if one rogue state has a nuke, it's a major threat |
| 17:50.03 | NeoTron | Industrial: that one would wonder |
| 17:50.07 | NivFreak | die for oil sucker |
| 17:50.20 | NeoTron | ckknight: I heard several rogue stats in the US have nukes! |
| 17:50.25 | NeoTron | like... Indiana. |
| 17:50.26 | NivFreak | haha |
| 17:50.26 | NeoTron | nuke them |
| 17:50.29 | Industrial | 2 is worse then 1, its two times 1 too many |
| 17:50.37 | NivFreak | can we pick states to nuke in the US? |
| 17:50.39 | NivFreak | I have a list |
| 17:50.46 | Groktar | would settle for obliterating the Bible Belt |
| 17:50.47 | ckknight | California |
| 17:50.51 | NivFreak | ckknight: yes |
| 17:50.52 | KriLL3 | doesn't really matter how rogue you are, you still have people you care about or are sympathetic to, and you'd know they'd pay if you nuked someone |
| 17:50.53 | kenlyric | we don't even have a nuclear power plant |
| 17:51.01 | kenlyric | in Indiana |
| 17:51.01 | ckknight | and Alaska is just asking for it |
| 17:51.05 | ckknight | after all, they have oil |
| 17:51.07 | ckknight | and aren't sharing |
| 17:51.09 | ckknight | lousy polar bears. |
| 17:51.12 | NeoTron | should invade alaska |
| 17:51.18 | Cheads | hehe |
| 17:51.19 | kenlyric | nuke the inuit |
| 17:51.20 | NeoTron | make it part of the greater US |
| 17:51.29 | ckknight | nuke the moon! |
| 17:51.34 | NivFreak | back off alaska |
| 17:51.40 | Cheads | yeah.. see what the moon holds |
| 17:51.41 | ckknight | http://www.thoseshirts.com/moon.html |
| 17:51.43 | NivFreak | that's my home state, and fall back plan |
| 17:51.48 | KriLL3 | ckknight: yes the dark side, the moon is slipping away slowly and making the earth less stable as a result |
| 17:51.57 | Industrial | I'll leave this conversation |
| 17:51.59 | Industrial | sad :( |
| 17:52.11 | Industrial | you made me it. |
| 17:52.18 | Groktar | any conversation involving KriLL3 is bound to do that |
| 17:52.29 | Cheads | hehe |
| 17:52.46 | KriLL3 | I'm the master of the random |
| 17:52.55 | Groktar | master of whining |
| 17:53.15 | KriLL3 | I haven't whined a single time in 3-4 days now |
| 17:53.17 | Industrial | question: if (more like when) obama becomes president will your country stop invading other countries because it feels its better then another? |
| 17:53.34 | Industrial | eg, wrap it up and gtfo? |
| 17:53.47 | Groktar | i'm not so sure obama will win |
| 17:54.07 | ckknight | Industrial: we won't wrap it up, we'll just stay where we are |
| 17:54.08 | KriLL3 | Industrial: wars of that nature hide indecision and stagnation behind a facade of pretend actions. |
| 17:54.13 | ckknight | fuck, we still have bases in Korea |
| 17:54.16 | Groktar | people are perfectly happy to *say* they'll vote for the black man in a poll |
| 17:54.36 | Groktar | but election day comes? |
| 17:54.40 | KriLL3 | a war is the perfect tool to justify your actions |
| 17:54.41 | Groktar | they'll vote for the white dude |
| 17:54.47 | ckknight | Groktar: the black man is happy to vote for white or black, best candidate, doesn't matter. The white man won't vote for the black man, though. |
| 17:54.47 | kenlyric | polls take the bradley effect into account groktar |
| 17:54.48 | Industrial | ckknight: then you still suck because you think you are better, and you still haven't learnt from the past. |
| 17:54.52 | KriLL3 | Groktar: I think a lot of them will vote for the woman |
| 17:54.53 | Groktar | and then the white dude will die one year in because he's older than dirt |
| 17:54.58 | ckknight | Industrial: it's not that at all. |
| 17:54.59 | Industrial | ckknight: you as the government ofc |
| 17:55.02 | Groktar | and will end up with that lunatic palin woman |
| 17:55.07 | KriLL3 | just because she is a woman, not because she's qualified |
| 17:55.36 | KriLL3 | the clinton supporters will flock to Palin I'd guess |
| 17:55.38 | kenlyric | just remember that she's more of a nutcase and lesser educated than GW Bush |
| 17:55.39 | Groktar | i think the more people learn about her the less enthralled they'll become |
| 17:55.42 | kenlyric | if you want to be afraid |
| 17:55.48 | NeoTron | KriLL3: except many women doesn't want to vote for her because she stands against most values of large women associations such as freedom of choice |
| 17:55.58 | Industrial | ckknight: yes it is. leave iraq alone. leave korea alone. (the next targets?) leave everyone alone. |
| 17:56.06 | kenlyric | more of a relgious extremist, if you wish to be fair and not call her a nutcase directly. |
| 17:56.11 | Groktar | what NeoTron said |
| 17:56.16 | KriLL3 | Groktar: we all know most of the votes in the US doesn't actually care to learn anything about the candidates, they just vote for whom ever they like more, or which party they belong to |
| 17:56.17 | Industrial | ckknight: oh, and iran. |
| 17:56.28 | kenlyric | conservative women don't like her because she doesn't stay home with the kids |
| 17:56.30 | kenlyric | oh, the irony |
| 17:56.30 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: yes but she is a woman, a lot of them will not look past that |
| 17:56.38 | ckknight | I'm anti-interventionist, Industrial, but if we were to retract from what we have currently, it'd create a power vacuum in Iraq, which is sad. |
| 17:56.49 | Groktar | conservative women will just vote republican no matter what |
| 17:56.55 | Industrial | ckknight: yeah i know, thats why i said wrap up first and then gtfo :) |
| 17:57.06 | ckknight | Industrial: wrapping up will take a few years, though |
| 17:57.12 | ckknight | I do agree with getting out of Korea and such, though |
| 17:57.22 | ckknight | and cutting off support to Israel and other such countries |
| 17:57.29 | Industrial | yeah |
| 17:57.31 | ckknight | (and not cause I hate Jews) |
| 17:57.32 | Groktar | but i don't see how any other woman could vote for her, because of her anti abortion stance mentioned earlier, along with her deeply religious beliefs, and we all know that religion = mysoginy = pissed off feminists |
| 17:57.50 | KriLL3 | Conservatives want everything to revert back to the nostalgia of the "good old days" no matter if that's fictional or not, Liberals all want to impose their own beliefs on everyone else, but in the end will make no real changes. |
| 17:58.02 | NeoTron | KriLL3: I honestly believe you're incorrect |
| 17:58.02 | kenlyric | Groktar: uh, the other religious women will vote for her |
| 17:58.10 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: in what way? |
| 17:58.10 | Groktar | very incorrect KriLL3 |
| 17:58.16 | kenlyric | soccer moms the nation wide! |
| 17:58.28 | NeoTron | KriLL3: I don't think women will vote for her just because she's a woman |
| 17:58.32 | ckknight | KriLL3: Conservatives want to return to a past that never happened, liberals want to push for a future utopia that can never be |
| 17:58.35 | kenlyric | soccer moms will |
| 17:58.37 | Groktar | the conservatives in america want to impose their own moral code on the rest of the country |
| 17:58.44 | kenlyric | because they don't care about any social issues, and rarely vote |
| 17:58.52 | kenlyric | Groktar: world |
| 17:58.52 | ckknight | I think moderate ex-Clinton supporters will go to McCain because of her |
| 17:58.55 | KriLL3 | NeoTron: people voted for bush just because he had a texan accent and cleared brush when a TV crew was around... |
| 17:59.08 | KriLL3 | ckknight: what I said but with more elegance ;) |
| 17:59.12 | kenlyric | 30% of americans still think bush is doing a good job |
| 17:59.17 | kenlyric | if that tells you something |
| 17:59.31 | ckknight | he's doing better than congress |
| 17:59.33 | kenlyric | 30% of our citizens are basically functionally retarded. |
| 17:59.36 | kenlyric | it's a wonder they can breath. |
| 17:59.36 | Industrial | I dont understand why the US only has two parties (right?) hell we've got one here that only cares about animals and animal rights :P |
| 17:59.40 | Groktar | KriLL3: gore was almost the most annoying candidate ever |
| 17:59.40 | ckknight | thus, the liberals are to blame, obviously. |
| 17:59.47 | kenlyric | Industrial: we have those |
| 17:59.51 | Groktar | anyone remember him sighing at the first debate? |
| 17:59.51 | kenlyric | they just don't get elected |
| 18:00.03 | nocts|work | And now for something you'll really enjoy: http://www.sfwchan.com/pics/62549814.gif |
| 18:00.06 | KriLL3 | Groktar: a 2 party system is flawed anyway |
| 18:00.15 | ckknight | Industrial: our voting system creates a situation where a two-party system prospers, which is bullshit all-in-all |
| 18:00.23 | Groktar | all goverment is flawed |
| 18:00.26 | Industrial | kenlyric: we have party coalitions that get elected |
| 18:00.27 | KriLL3 | too little choice, both parties are really close in beliefs and ideals |
| 18:00.28 | kenlyric | you need runoff elections to make multiple parties viable |
| 18:00.28 | Groktar | just the way it is |
| 18:00.32 | KriLL3 | true |
| 18:00.35 | KriLL3 | but most nations have more than 2 parties |
| 18:00.43 | kenlyric | Industrial: the republican and democrat parties are basically party coalitions |
| 18:01.02 | KriLL3 | Sweden got 7, spanning everything from near communism to nearly as right wing as the republicans, we got choice |
| 18:01.02 | Industrial | hmm ok |
| 18:01.09 | ckknight | kenlyric: runoff elections are not the best way, imo |
| 18:01.14 | kenlyric | social conservatives are VERY different from fiscal conservatives |
| 18:01.27 | Groktar | lol, "nearly as right wing as the republicans" |
| 18:01.27 | kenlyric | but when they're split, they lose every time |
| 18:01.29 | kenlyric | see 1992 |
| 18:01.35 | ckknight | score voting is one of the best (mathematically and politically speaking) ways to do proper representative voting |
| 18:01.36 | KriLL3 | the US has the choice of Candidate A or B, both of which has nearly the same policy |
| 18:01.46 | kenlyric | the only reason clinton won in 92 was because the fiscal and social conservatives split. |
| 18:02.02 | Groktar | clinton won in 1992 because the economy tanked |
| 18:02.06 | kenlyric | no |
| 18:02.26 | kenlyric | the republican party nearly split in half |
| 18:02.27 | KriLL3 | call me strange but I actually like clinton |
| 18:02.29 | kenlyric | they had no chance |
| 18:02.43 | Groktar | clinton was a hell of a lot better than bush |
| 18:02.52 | KriLL3 | in interviews etc he actually seems to be an actual person |
| 18:02.55 | VonhintenHOME` | clinton is the most charismatic speaker I've ever seen |
| 18:02.59 | Groktar | ^ |
| 18:03.10 | Groktar | and clinton didn't double the national debt! |
| 18:03.38 | KriLL3 | It feels like politicians stop being people and start being their titles |
| 18:03.45 | kenlyric | I like when jon stewert is talking about the bush sr. "remember when we used to hate this guy?" |
| 18:03.51 | Groktar | haha |
| 18:04.19 | Groktar | i approve of bush sr.'s handling of iraq |
| 18:04.30 | Groktar | blow up their military so they can't hurt a fly |
| 18:04.32 | Groktar | then gtfo |
| 18:04.41 | KriLL3 | well iraq did attack first |
| 18:04.50 | KriLL3 | that time |
| 18:04.55 | ckknight | they attacked Kuwait |
| 18:04.56 | kenlyric | well, no |
| 18:04.59 | KriLL3 | an ally |
| 18:05.04 | kenlyric | well, no |
| 18:05.19 | kenlyric | iraq was a much closer ally than kuwait |
| 18:05.20 | ckknight | appeasement is bad policy anyway |
| 18:05.25 | ckknight | life is a tangled web |
| 18:05.37 | KriLL3 | kenlyric: then why side with kuwait? |
| 18:05.54 | Groktar | because saudi arabia might have been next? |
| 18:05.55 | kenlyric | KriLL3: because we used to have *some* standards |
| 18:06.01 | kenlyric | ding ding ding! |
| 18:06.03 | KriLL3 | oh |
| 18:06.10 | NightHawkTheSane | KriLL3: because iraq threatened to destabalize the region more tha it already was and threaten the supply of oil |
| 18:06.19 | kenlyric | saudi arabia was a better ally than iraq :) |
| 18:06.22 | KriLL3 | funny how the US supplied both sides with arms in the Iran/Iraq conflict |
| 18:06.46 | Groktar | i don't think the us was supplying iran *during* the war |
| 18:06.47 | ckknight | KriLL3: and Afghanistan, don't forget them |
| 18:06.53 | KriLL3 | NightHawkTheSane: the US instated saddam with the intention of making him stabilize the region... |
| 18:07.11 | Groktar | the us needed an ally in the region because iran told the us to fuck off |
| 18:07.12 | KriLL3 | ckknight: well that was against the USSR, which terrified you more than Muslim extremists at the time |
| 18:07.13 | kenlyric | the west is just bad at the middle east |
| 18:07.16 | NightHawkTheSane | KriLL3: arguably an unintended side effect. really they just set him up to rival iran in the 80s |
| 18:07.17 | kenlyric | we've been failing there for a centure |
| 18:07.19 | kenlyric | y |
| 18:07.56 | ckknight | KriLL3: don't treat me as America, I have very fringe political beliefs anyway |
| 18:08.03 | KriLL3 | you'd think the US govt would sooner or later realize nothing they do in the middle east improves the situation... |
| 18:08.18 | kenlyric | look |
| 18:08.19 | KriLL3 | ckknight: you know I didn't mean you personally |
| 18:08.20 | kenlyric | we didn't do it first |
| 18:08.34 | kenlyric | france and england are to blame for everything |
| 18:08.42 | Industrial | ckknight: btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_of_the_Netherlands :) |
| 18:08.45 | KriLL3 | yes to some extent |
| 18:08.55 | ckknight | yea, you have lots, I know |
| 18:08.55 | NightHawkTheSane | KriLL3: you'd think, but ultimately it comes down to the desire for power. |
| 18:09.05 | kenlyric | all we've been doing is trying to keep it together. It's just hopeless. |
| 18:09.12 | NightHawkTheSane | the middle east controls a significant amount of power due to it's oil reserves. |
| 18:09.15 | Industrial | Socialist Party \o/ |
| 18:09.20 | ckknight | KriLL3: the reason for doing it all know is that "9/11 changed everything" |
| 18:09.25 | KriLL3 | but they left the region quite some time ago, if it had been left alone it would have shaped itself into a more civilized form, instead of being demolished every now and then by outside forces |
| 18:09.50 | VonhintenHOME` | For every radical that you kill, you risk turning more non-radicals into radicals. It's a catch 22. |
| 18:09.55 | KriLL3 | NightHawkTheSane: true |
| 18:10.17 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: indeed, you can't fight extremists with arms |
| 18:10.17 | NightHawkTheSane | KriLL3: also, don't forget that we're pretty much tied to Israel,and have been for a while. that's a -huge- source of contention in the area, and we can't just walk away from that. |
| 18:10.28 | Groktar | israel was such a mistake |
| 18:10.28 | Groktar | :( |
| 18:10.31 | Industrial | ^ |
| 18:10.33 | NightHawkTheSane | not going to disagree there. |
| 18:10.37 | NightHawkTheSane | just stating the facts :p |
| 18:11.04 | KriLL3 | why did you give them a piece of land with people already living there? should have given them an empty state like Ohio... |
| 18:11.10 | ckknight | anyone see Generation Kill? |
| 18:11.15 | *** join/#wowace charon (n=thomas@unaffiliated/charon) |
| 18:11.29 | NivFreak | yes, I watched the 2nd episode |
| 18:11.29 | NightHawkTheSane | KriLL3: because they were pretty insistent on that particular piece of land. |
| 18:11.31 | VonhintenHOME` | I wanted to, missed it |
| 18:11.39 | NightHawkTheSane | something about it being holy ground, or some nonsense. :p |
| 18:11.43 | kenlyric | KriLL3: well, to the British it was unpopulated |
| 18:11.52 | VonhintenHOME` | That holy ground war is NEVER going away until one side is eliminated entirely |
| 18:11.55 | kenlyric | brown savages != people |
| 18:11.57 | ckknight | KriLL3: cause Britain owned the area at the time, not the Palestinians, and everyone felt bad cause of Auschwitz |
| 18:12.19 | KriLL3 | NightHawkTheSane: too bad they didn't realize it would have been a lot less painful to mingle with the Arabic population already there, instead of fencing it all off |
| 18:12.19 | kenlyric | VonhintenHOME`: turn jerusalem into glass |
| 18:12.20 | charon | looks around, mumbles "wrong number" and leaves again |
| 18:12.23 | kenlyric | evacuate everyone first |
| 18:12.45 | KriLL3 | kenlyric: indeed, a nuke would solve the problem quite nicely |
| 18:12.48 | VonhintenHOME` | lol, sure, and turn every one against us... we can't afford that war :) |
| 18:12.53 | NightHawkTheSane | KriLL3: yeah, but *shrug* people are idiots. |
| 18:12.55 | NivFreak | kenlyric: seems like nuking the center of 3 of the largest relgions in the world might cause some problems |
| 18:12.56 | kenlyric | I don't suggest we nuke it |
| 18:13.03 | KriLL3 | VonhintenHOME`: who said you had to announce you did it? |
| 18:13.05 | kenlyric | I suggest a "rogue terrorist organization" do it |
| 18:13.10 | Quaiche | Someone let me know when this channel returns on topic |
| 18:13.14 | kenlyric | blame the taliban! |
| 18:13.30 | kenlyric | Quaiche: wowace is dead, so, this is our topic! |
| 18:13.34 | Groktar | lol |
| 18:13.59 | Groktar | i'm really afraid that bush is going to try to do something in iran before his term is up |
| 18:14.21 | KriLL3 | I think long term measures have to be initiated to make everyone in the region realize it's pointless to squabble, let everyone travel freely in the area |
| 18:14.33 | KriLL3 | Groktar: congress has to provide the funding |
| 18:14.34 | ckknight | Quaiche: what's the topic you're striving for? |
| 18:14.35 | Thrae | Groktar: Ask them to lend the US money? |
| 18:14.53 | AckisWork | KriLL3: I did some updates to collectinator last night :P |
| 18:14.57 | NightHawkTheSane | KriLL3: cause congress has been so successful at stopping that before. >< |
| 18:15.03 | Groktar | i just think it's absurd that he's trying to play the WMD card again |
| 18:15.03 | KriLL3 | I don't see how so few people in the US realize that congress has to approve any and all funding, they're not innocent in this |
| 18:15.11 | KriLL3 | AckisWork: yay! |
| 18:15.14 | NivFreak | NightHawkTheSane: they voted for it in fact |
| 18:15.14 | NivFreak | ;P |
| 18:15.21 | NightHawkTheSane | NivFreak: i am aware. |
| 18:15.35 | AckisWork | KriLL3: do you use ARL too? |
| 18:15.36 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles discontentedly |
| 18:15.40 | Groktar | KriLL3, the bush administration said it had proof saddam had wmds and proof to al qaeda |
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| 18:15.45 | *** mode/#wowace [+v Tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:15.49 | Groktar | which we now know is the most absurd thing ever |
| 18:15.59 | KriLL3 | AckisWork: It's not compatible with the trade skill window addon I use |
| 18:16.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Groktar: not just the most absurd thing ever, but provably false. |
| 18:16.08 | AckisWork | KriLL3: which is that? |
| 18:16.13 | KriLL3 | Groktar: proof they never actually showed |
| 18:16.22 | Groktar | yes |
| 18:16.34 | KriLL3 | AckisWork: AdvancedTradeSkillWindow |
| 18:16.41 | KriLL3 | ATSW |
| 18:16.47 | Groktar | bush belong in prison along with most of his administration for that lie |
| 18:16.54 | ckknight | Groktar: really, there was good belief that he had some kind of chemical weaponry, mostly because the US gave it to them during the Iraq/Iran conflict |
| 18:16.58 | fewyn[work] | i use atsw, tried skillet but it kept breaking on me |
| 18:17.10 | KriLL3 | it's a bit like double wide, makes all recipes be on the left, their contents on the right and custom sorting etc |
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| 18:17.24 | AckisWork | KriLL3: it works with ATSW I thought |
| 18:17.30 | Groktar | and inspectors never actually found any of them |
| 18:17.36 | AckisWork | I have code that makes the button show up and window position correctly |
| 18:17.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Groktar: just that lie? the administration has made a pretty good mockery of the laws at this point. if there were any sanity left in government, they'd have been tried and convicted years ago. |
| 18:18.03 | Groktar | hehe |
| 18:18.21 | Groktar | i honestly think that if we were still mired in iraq they would be |
| 18:18.23 | KriLL3 | a goverment is rarely subject to it's own laws |
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| 18:18.35 | Groktar | but we gotta support the troops and all that |
| 18:18.42 | ckknight | Groktar: yea, I think they got rid of em before the US came in (maybe years before) |
| 18:18.51 | KriLL3 | Groktar: best way to support em would be to bail em all out asap |
| 18:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: which is a pretty smart move on their part. |
| 18:19.01 | ckknight | but they had em at some point in time, cause the US gave em to Iraq |
| 18:19.06 | Groktar | ya |
| 18:19.17 | Fisker- | ~seen zeksie |
| 18:19.35 | purl | zeksie <n=zeksie@cpc2-nott9-0-0-cust211.nott.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 7h 56m 41s ago, saying: 'yeah, it's not something you get right initially.'. |
| 18:19.35 | Groktar | you're crazy if you think an immediate pullout would help things |
| 18:19.35 | Groktar | even iran doesn't want that |
| 18:19.39 | KriLL3 | AckisWork: I tried it ages ago and it didn't work with ATSW, I'll try again |
| 18:20.02 | Groktar | they're already planning the drawdown |
| 18:20.03 | ckknight | yea, an immediate pullout will create a power vacuum and huge humanitarian problems |
| 18:20.09 | AckisWork | KriLL3: yah it should work, also with skillet |
| 18:20.20 | KriLL3 | what's skillet? |
| 18:20.30 | Cheads | Ackis it works fine with ATSW for me and has done so for a long time(and thanks for that) |
| 18:20.35 | Groktar | the next few brigades scheduled to be rotated out won't be replaced |
| 18:20.40 | AckisWork | like atsw but a bit different |
| 18:20.50 | AckisWork | cheads: sweet :D have you updated it today btw? |
| 18:20.55 | Cheads | no |
| 18:21.12 | AckisWork | could you? and let me know if a scan works? |
| 18:21.19 | Cheads | sure |
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| 18:21.58 | AckisWork | been having a lot of issues :( |
| 18:25.04 | KriLL3 | ckknight: will you update PB3.0 for LK or will you focus on 4.0? |
| 18:25.24 | ckknight | update 3.0 for WoW 3.0 |
| 18:25.30 | ckknight | 4.0 hasn't received enough love |
| 18:25.36 | KriLL3 | kk :) |
| 18:25.37 | ckknight | sad to say |
| 18:25.45 | tz8 | btw: what about Parrot2? |
| 18:25.58 | ckknight | what about it? there's no such thing |
| 18:26.00 | tz8 | also not enough love? ^^ |
| 18:26.01 | KriLL3 | no real rush, though it seems from various sites that many are utterly confounded by 3.0's config |
| 18:26.15 | ckknight | oh, I completely agree, KriLL3 |
| 18:26.19 | KriLL3 | I really like PB3.0 but I've wrapped my head around it's config |
| 18:26.21 | ckknight | one of the main goals for 4.0 is better configuration |
| 18:26.29 | KriLL3 | yeah I know |
| 18:26.40 | ckknight | I don't have enough time on my hands |
| 18:26.41 | tz8 | weren't you referencing anythzing some time ago? that you have ideas but no time for Parrot2? |
| 18:26.54 | ckknight | yep |
| 18:26.56 | KriLL3 | I'm somewhat of a coder myself and I got quite a lot of patience so I figured out the configure np |
| 18:27.22 | KriLL3 | and once set up it's the best UI frame addon I've used |
| 18:27.36 | KriLL3 | just wish the energy refresh was smooth in LK and didn't have a tick thingy =P |
| 18:27.38 | ckknight | what I'll likely end up doing is making my other addons frameworkless (FuBar, Cartographer, etc.) and then I suspect other people will be more willing to hack on it |
| 18:28.02 | nevcairiel | make FuBar accept broker plugins while you are at it =P |
| 18:28.08 | KriLL3 | ckknight: must be taxing to have so many major addons on your shoulders with LK coming |
| 18:28.13 | ckknight | nevcairiel: can you do that? :-P |
| 18:28.19 | ckknight | KriLL3: with WoW 3.0 coming. |
| 18:28.26 | ckknight | which is a month or so prior |
| 18:28.26 | KriLL3 | LK/3.0 |
| 18:28.31 | ckknight | but yea |
| 18:28.40 | ckknight | also, they want me to focus on WAR-related stuff |
| 18:28.42 | Aeyan | Plus WAR =P |
| 18:28.47 | Cheads | 3.0 will be soon then |
| 18:28.48 | KriLL3 | pfft, war |
| 18:28.50 | ckknight | and dealing with curseforge/new wowace |
| 18:28.57 | Aeyan | and, you know, the job thing and all (curse) |
| 18:31.54 | Cheads | Ackis seems to work just fine |
| 18:32.10 | nevcairiel | WAR never will reach the same audience WoW has, so just scrap it =P |
| 18:32.24 | Adys | Im doing a quick addon to show my target's model in a dressupmodel frame. using a very simple SetUnit on the model.. works on most units (including players), but on some mobs it gives me a white, untextured model, even though aguf seems to handle it fine |
| 18:32.36 | AckisWork | cheads: ty |
| 18:32.45 | Adys | any idea what could be wrong? Ive been digging around aguf code and this is the bit that sets the portrait: http://pastebin.com/m67534eaa |
| 18:33.23 | ckknight | nevcairiel: that's completely irresponsible thinking |
| 18:33.40 | ckknight | nevcairiel: if they get a million stable subscribers, they're doing well for themselves, and it's a good market to target |
| 18:33.52 | AckisWork | over 9000 |
| 18:33.54 | Cheads | Ackis is it possible to somehow link the recipes? |
| 18:33.54 | ckknight | so what if it's not 11 million? it's significant |
| 18:34.14 | ckknight | also, currently, wardb does more traffic than curse + curseforge + wowace combined |
| 18:34.15 | AckisWork | cheads: being worked on with the rewrite :) |
| 18:34.22 | Cheads | sounds nice =) |
| 18:37.29 | kenlyric | ckknight: that's just because everyone hates curse so badly |
| 18:37.52 | Groktar | ^ |
| 18:37.56 | ckknight | kenlyric: it'll be better later today when we switch to the new curse |
| 18:38.01 | kenlyric | they do, after all, have a site design which actively triest to hurt its visitors |
| 18:38.05 | Groktar | i installed the old curse client once |
| 18:38.09 | ckknight | everyone's scrambling |
| 18:38.09 | kenlyric | I mean wtf |
| 18:38.10 | Groktar | and it broke all my addons |
| 18:38.11 | kenlyric | orange |
| 18:38.13 | kenlyric | ORANGE |
| 18:38.18 | ckknight | kenlyric: lol |
| 18:38.18 | Stanzilla | lol, ack kenlyric |
| 18:38.26 | Adys | [21:33:33] <@ckknight> also, currently, wardb does more traffic than curse + curseforge + wowace combined <- you're not serious ? :p |
| 18:38.27 | Groktar | installed like 20 that hadn't been updated since 1.12 |
| 18:38.35 | ckknight | Adys: I am completely serious. |
| 18:38.45 | Adys | you take files.wowace.com in account? |
| 18:38.49 | ckknight | Adys: I'm talking pageviews, not bandwidth |
| 18:38.52 | Adys | ahh |
| 18:38.58 | ckknight | which is what matters |
| 18:39.37 | ckknight | Groktar: it'll be better once we get the new wowace up |
| 18:39.52 | Groktar | i am soooo backing up my addons folder first |
| 18:39.53 | ckknight | kenlyric: beta.curse.com focuses more on grays, it's a bit more appealing |
| 18:40.01 | Zhinjio | G'morning, folks. |
| 18:40.09 | ckknight | Groktar: good. |
| 18:40.13 | ckknight | Groktar: you should be doing that. |
| 18:40.13 | Aeyan | Morniin' |
| 18:40.17 | ckknight | howdy, Zhinjio |
| 18:40.35 | Zhinjio | Aeyan: that codeswarm is hella sexah, btw. you were the one who posted that link, no? |
| 18:40.39 | Zhinjio | hey ck! |
| 18:40.45 | kenlyric | do they focus on not having 3 columns? |
| 18:40.45 | Aeyan | No, it was Ackis |
| 18:41.03 | Zhinjio | ah,ok. |
| 18:41.37 | Aeyan | Whoops, actually |
| 18:41.40 | Aeyan | Antiarc |
| 18:41.47 | Aeyan | Brain fart, heh |
| 18:41.53 | Groktar | i also hate the curse returns all these terrible compilations every time i search for anything |
| 18:42.02 | ckknight | kenlyric: not sure, tbh, feel free to check out the site, though |
| 18:42.06 | ckknight | Groktar: we've fixed that. |
| 18:42.12 | ckknight | Groktar: we removed all compilations |
| 18:42.16 | Groktar | sweet |
| 18:42.18 | ckknight | note: if you find a compilation, alert one of us |
| 18:42.19 | Aeyan | Bam! |
| 18:42.20 | Groktar | looks for the curse beta |
| 18:42.23 | ckknight | any moderator on curseforge |
| 18:42.27 | ckknight | we will remove it right away. |
| 18:42.44 | ckknight | no more UI packs on curse, it's proper policy now |
| 18:42.53 | kenlyric | praise jesus |
| 18:42.53 | NightHawkTheSane | does the new curse have a minimalistic version to use? :P |
| 18:43.02 | NightHawkTheSane | or is it still full of moronically huge images |
| 18:43.06 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: (just use curseforge) |
| 18:43.09 | ckknight | shhh.... |
| 18:43.18 | ckknight | :-P |
| 18:43.27 | Groktar | i approve of this color scheme -> http://wowbeta.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/default.aspx |
| 18:43.33 | kenlyric | the beta is much improved |
| 18:43.40 | kenlyric | though it still is pretty busy |
| 18:43.44 | ckknight | yea, Groktar, if you check war, I think it's red |
| 18:43.54 | ckknight | Groktar: AoC is brown or something |
| 18:43.55 | kenlyric | whoever thought 1up.com was a good model to mimic... |
| 18:43.56 | ckknight | kenlyric: busy? |
| 18:44.00 | ckknight | shrugs |
| 18:44.01 | ckknight | yea |
| 18:44.09 | ckknight | a lot of pointless shit was removed |
| 18:44.14 | ckknight | to make things less busy |
| 18:44.27 | ckknight | on purpose, not just we "haven't gotten around to adding it yet" |
| 18:45.01 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh. wowbeta.curse.com is still ugly, imo. |
| 18:45.14 | ckknight | how could it be better? |
| 18:45.31 | Groktar | i don't think it's ugly |
| 18:45.40 | NightHawkTheSane | far less images. |
| 18:45.43 | Stanzilla | it's pretty slow..I think it's still running on some test server, right? |
| 18:45.45 | NightHawkTheSane | far less fluff |
| 18:45.52 | ckknight | Stanzilla: not sure |
| 18:46.05 | Adys | closable widgets saved in cookies |
| 18:46.13 | Groktar | ^ |
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| 18:46.18 | Adys | eg i dont want to see most downloaded addons |
| 18:46.24 | ckknight | hrm |
| 18:46.25 | kenlyric | I still don't think curse knows what it wants to be |
| 18:46.26 | NightHawkTheSane | s/closable/removable/ |
| 18:46.32 | Stanzilla | the lighter gray part of the footer with the timestamp is ugly^^ |
| 18:46.57 | Groktar | i wouldn't have seen the timestamp if Stanzilla hadn't mentioned it |
| 18:47.18 | kenlyric | oh, heh |
| 18:47.20 | kenlyric | yeah |
| 18:47.32 | ckknight | that does look weird |
| 18:48.13 | Zhinjio | http://geo.trippy.org/gallery2/d/2419-1/opt_006.jpg |
| 18:48.16 | Zhinjio | woops |
| 18:48.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: just looking at the downloads page, there's far too much stuff there. graphics for addon categories? unnecessary. "recommended addons" stick it on a small sidebar, at -best-, better off to drop it entirely. an entire duplicated search bar, when there's one in the top-right already? wasted space |
| 18:48.37 | Stanzilla | Zhinjio: spoiler! |
| 18:48.54 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: sadly, I'm not the one to tell this stuff to |
| 18:49.03 | ckknight | not sure what the proper way is, tbh |
| 18:49.05 | Zhinjio | it is, I suck |
| 18:49.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: but you asked, so i'm telling you. :) |
| 18:49.14 | Zhinjio | oh well. heh |
| 18:49.21 | ckknight | yea, I think your concerns are legit |
| 18:49.23 | kenlyric | probably should have put out a call for usability testers |
| 18:49.42 | NightHawkTheSane | also, "upload your addon" can be relegated to a small menu item at the top, not a huge button. not every one has an addon to upload. |
| 18:49.47 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: doesn't it look sweet? |
| 18:49.48 | kenlyric | making the pages customizable for logged in users would be a good start |
| 18:49.54 | Stanzilla | Ackis: it does |
| 18:50.01 | kenlyric | I don't care about silly warcraft news or forums or blog posts or news feeds. |
| 18:50.08 | Stanzilla | I dont get what "Close GUI" does |
| 18:50.11 | Groktar | quick, redesign the whole site! |
| 18:50.11 | NightHawkTheSane | highest rated addons goes along with recommended addons. the screenshot thumbnails take far too much space there, too. |
| 18:50.14 | kenlyric | like igoogle.com |
| 18:50.17 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: there were issues with that previously when people couldn't find it :-P |
| 18:50.26 | Zhinjio | Stanzilla: the tooltip when you hover anything is far more descriptive |
| 18:50.33 | Stanzilla | kk |
| 18:50.34 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: the tooltip explains it, basically if you close the trade skill window it'll close the scan window as well |
| 18:50.44 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 18:51.09 | Stanzilla | "Close with Tradeskill UI" too long for an option title? |
| 18:51.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: *shrug* If you put a simple "upload" button at the top next to addons, or whatever, that's good enough in my book. If people cant find it then, they probably have trouble finding their ass with both hands. |
| 18:51.23 | kenlyric | odd |
| 18:51.34 | kenlyric | Your Favorite Addons doesn't link to your favorite addons page... |
| 18:51.37 | Dashkal | cheers |
| 18:51.39 | Dashkal | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/25/1822207 |
| 18:51.45 | AckisWork | It was more that "I'm not creative" when I came up with the name |
| 18:51.52 | Stanzilla | :P |
| 18:52.34 | Daemona | having a balance druid in your raid on beta is like having a GM deathtouching trash ^^ |
| 18:52.38 | AckisWork | Stanzilla: http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/arl/tickets/8-new-gui/ |
| 18:52.46 | Stanzilla | nom nom |
| 18:53.22 | Groktar | i think someone just threw up on my screen |
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| 18:53.31 | Groktar | there we go |
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| 18:56.43 | Groktar | thinking maybe i'll try going to sleep again |
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| 19:00.28 | *** topic/#wowace is Beta site up! http://beta.wowace.com | WoWAce Future Plans! http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=14316.0 | http://beta.wowace.com/announcements/beta-phase-commencing-updated-date/ | http://www.wowace.com | http://files.wowace.com/ | http://ace.pastey.net | http://www.lua.org |
| 19:00.35 | ckknight | ah, alright |
| 19:01.42 | Fisker- | that's just awesome |
| 19:01.56 | Fisker- | maintank starts to eat his foodbuff in aggro range of teron |
| 19:04.28 | KriLL3 | it's kinda scary that 3.0 is so close and blizz themselves say to just about every class that there are still large portions that need work, and they haven't even looked at pvp yet |
| 19:04.39 | KriLL3 | feels like they're rushing it |
| 19:05.20 | whatsinthename | personally i think they r rushing wotlk, i dont feel its in a shippable state, as is apparent from beta |
| 19:05.47 | nevcairiel | its not being shipped yet, is it? |
| 19:05.57 | nevcairiel | numbers are getting much more stable now |
| 19:05.59 | KriLL3 | agreed, though remember that they can easily patch after the fact |
| 19:06.37 | whatsinthename | yeah krill thats true, but that will happen anyways, remember when bc came out |
| 19:07.08 | Yssaril | and even if they are already pressing the dics for relaease they can still patch it :P hell maybe all we'll get is a serial and a URL and then it downloads the whole thing :P |
| 19:07.09 | ShaneSveller | Howdy, does anyone know if anyone's done an actionbar mod where all configuration, i.e. the bar layout, size, etc. is in theLua? |
| 19:08.52 | Yssaril | ShaneSveller: why does it matter? |
| 19:09.06 | Yssaril | and i cant think of one |
| 19:09.44 | KriLL3 | would be nice if there was a bar addon that didn't have to treat each row of 12 buttons as a bar, instead you could set a custom amount of buttons and rows |
| 19:10.05 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: don't Dominos and Bartender do that already? |
| 19:10.20 | Yssaril | yea plenty of mods do that |
| 19:10.21 | KriLL3 | I find my feral skills are too many to have on one bar anymore |
| 19:10.22 | ShaneSveller | Yssaril: I'm starting to swing toward minimalism while I redo my UI for 3.0/Wrath |
| 19:10.23 | KriLL3 | ShaneSveller: no |
| 19:10.32 | KriLL3 | well not bartender, a bar got 12 buttons |
| 19:10.32 | whatsinthename | is there a way to explicitly modify button/editbox sizes in aceconfig3 or we are stuck with "half","dbl" and "full"? |
| 19:10.49 | KriLL3 | you can't make it more or less from what I've seen |
| 19:11.06 | ShaneSveller | Yssaril: I'd love to have an actionbar mod that was like oUF, a "Framework" addon and a layout addon, possibly with the framework embedded |
| 19:11.24 | Yssaril | whatsinthename: your stuck with it if you want something more specific you will ahve to implement a GUI using AceGUI directly |
| 19:11.25 | KriLL3 | you can put some end to end and make em all page in some way to simulate one but that's a bit... annoying |
| 19:11.44 | Cheads | Domino can't have bars larger than 12 buttons |
| 19:11.55 | whatsinthename | <shivers> |
| 19:12.02 | Yssaril | ShaneSveller: havent heard of one sry just stick with standard blizz bars :P |
| 19:12.04 | Cheads | Bongos3 coudl though |
| 19:12.53 | Yssaril | whatsinthename: its actually not that bad once you figure out AceGUI :P in some cases its actually easier since you have direct controll and dont ahve to work around something else |
| 19:14.11 | Yssaril | ShaneSveller: actionbars get to be highly complex with different classes etc so just having a text based config could be kinda rough |
| 19:14.37 | KriLL3 | is there an addon that automatically ignores looting certain items or destroys them? |
| 19:14.44 | ShaneSveller | true. unless you only give a rats ass about 1-2 =P |
| 19:14.53 | KriLL3 | rep gain items that are soulbound and for factions I'm already exalted with etc |
| 19:14.55 | Yssaril | have always liked trinity bars myself but idk if i would call it minimalistic |
| 19:14.58 | ShaneSveller | KriLL3: I know i've seen one or two that do that on WowInt |
| 19:15.57 | ShaneSveller | Yssaril: in the meantime i'll probably be sticking with Dominos and hacking up the SVs or something |
| 19:17.07 | KriLL3 | I don't see why blizz doesn't stop you from being able to loot items that are utterly useless to you |
| 19:17.55 | KriLL3 | soulbound rep reward items you can't sell to a vendor for example |
| 19:19.01 | ShaneSveller | well there's a first. I had a lot easier time throwing up a CGit interface under Lighttpd than with Apache2 |
| 19:20.04 | whatsinthename | can you guys recommend a simple addon I can look at to figure out how modules work with Ace3, my main addon is running 2k+ lines of code now and having modules midht streamline things a bit |
| 19:20.59 | KriLL3 | putting a novel inside your code commented out doesn't count |
| 19:21.32 | whatsinthename | what? what if its harry potter |
| 19:21.40 | NeoTron | http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVh0IsrotzAoG0x0hZfM how's this look for a blood dps build? |
| 19:21.45 | KriLL3 | that counts even less than nothing =P |
| 19:22.36 | KriLL3 | is there any reason to have any other dps than DK? |
| 19:23.27 | NeoTron | err |
| 19:23.39 | NeoTron | is there any reason to ahve any other dps than a hunter? a rogue? a warlock? a mage? |
| 19:23.43 | NeoTron | that's a dumb question :P |
| 19:24.19 | KriLL3 | I meant isn't DK about 2x the dps of any other class |
| 19:24.32 | Zhinjio | vhaarr: ping |
| 19:24.36 | NeoTron | no |
| 19:24.46 | NeoTron | right now they were lower and were jsut buffed in the latest patch |
| 19:25.12 | vhaarr | Zhinjio: pong, but can it wait 3 hours or so? :P |
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| 19:25.53 | Zyndrome | NeoTron : that's pretty much the optimal blood DPS tree |
| 19:26.26 | NeoTron | I'd move vampiric blood to blood tap probably |
| 19:26.43 | NeoTron | or blood worms 3/3 for best dps (worm dps ftw!) |
| 19:26.48 | Zyndrome | yeah |
| 19:27.00 | Kolie | !seen test |
| 19:27.05 | Kolie | !seen sylvanaar |
| 19:27.08 | Zyndrome | I still have some hopes for my build : http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMqc0csbZZfMbhtckg0q0coz :P |
| 19:27.37 | NeoTron | I am still not decided on blood for sure |
| 19:27.53 | AckisWork | ~seen sylvanaar |
| 19:27.58 | purl | sylvanaar <n=sylvanaa@unaffiliated/sylvanaar> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8h 49m 36s ago, saying: 'meh GetRaidTargetIndex has a bug'. |
| 19:28.04 | Zhinjio | vhaarr: no worries, I'll get with you later |
| 19:31.34 | NeoTron | depends a bit on the raid makeup too |
| 19:31.51 | NeoTron | but Heartstrike has some really nice raid benefits on bosses like Maexxna |
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| 19:38.36 | Zyndrome | have not tried my DK in any PvP-environment yet, but then I don't care as I'm focused on PvE :< |
| 19:43.05 | Arrowmaster | holy fucking shit |
| 19:43.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www7.popcap.com/promos/wow/ |
| 19:43.26 | Arrowmaster | its out and its fucking obficuated to hell |
| 19:44.49 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 19:44.51 | NeoTron | pretty |
| 19:45.15 | Arrowmaster | actually i wouldnt call it obficuated |
| 19:45.21 | Arrowmaster | just fucking impossible to read |
| 19:45.28 | VonhintenHOME` | obfuscated |
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| 19:45.35 | NeoTron | any newline after a ; is removed |
| 19:45.56 | Arrowmaster | no tabs |
| 19:46.02 | VonhintenHOME` | I had no doubt they would try to obfuscate it |
| 19:46.08 | Arrowmaster | oh seems to have both a fubar plugin and a titan plugin |
| 19:46.10 | Yssaril | and no sane variable naming |
| 19:46.37 | NeoTron | not to mention functions N x etc |
| 19:46.50 | jaxdahl | looks a lot like javascript compression stuff that google does |
| 19:47.14 | jaxdahl | they didn't shorten _everything_ |
| 19:47.17 | ShaneSveller | I don't really want to know what does to your fps and memory usage... |
| 19:47.29 | NeoTron | just because it's obfuscated doesn't mean it's bad |
| 19:48.03 | Yssaril | ShaneSveller: probably nothing the biggest memory load is (hopefully) graphics and if your not running it should have any other impact |
| 19:48.04 | Arrowmaster | they create frames with the name "" instead of nil |
| 19:48.33 | NeoTron | hot |
| 19:49.30 | Yssaril | thats alot of local declaring from line 11-line 25 |
| 19:50.22 | Arrowmaster | Code Optimized with LuaSrcDiet |
| 19:51.17 | Arrowmaster | LuaSrcDiet reduces the size of Lua 5.1.x source files by aggressively removing all unnecessary whitespace and comments, optimizing constant tokens, and renaming local variables to shorter names. |
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| 19:52.56 | Quaiche | OMG. Lua obfuscator FTL! |
| 19:53.02 | Yssaril | so it reduces file size but dosnt actually increase efficiancy (well maybe the initial load) |
| 19:53.03 | Quaiche | hehe |
| 19:54.05 | AckisWork | Arrowmaster: where can I download that compressor? :D |
| 19:54.16 | Arrowmaster | http://luaforge.net/projects/luasrcdiet/ |
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| 19:54.53 | AckisWork | goes off to update his commit file: Compiles with luac -p AND compressed with LuaSrcDiet |
| 19:56.30 | KriLL3 | horrible to update your 18 slot bags and finding out they're all soulbound, so you can't send em to your alts and you got all your bag slots filled with stuff larger than 18 slots :( |
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| 19:57.05 | Yssaril | idk wasnt source code supposed to be readable? cause its the source? /sigh |
| 19:58.26 | jaxdahl | it's not the 'source' |
| 19:58.34 | jaxdahl | it's an intermediary file here :p |
| 19:58.43 | jaxdahl | intermediate |
| 20:00.03 | ShaneSveller | wouldn't you only be saving perhaps 10kb worth of source files? |
| 20:00.26 | ShaneSveller | and that's pushing it, that'd take a large original to trim that much |
| 20:01.21 | jaxdahl | obviously it's not going to stop anyone determined enough to steal code from it |
| 20:02.44 | jaxdahl | there seems to be an encryption table in here at first glance |
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| 20:06.58 | KriLL3 | I like to add single letter comments in my code that spells out obscene stuff... |
| 20:07.06 | KriLL3 | just to distract people looking at it |
| 20:08.14 | NeoTron | WTB: "pawn" / strength equivalent values for DKs |
| 20:08.39 | NeoTron | ofc it's all in motion now but ... hit > str > ap > crit > agi > haste or something like that |
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| 20:23.32 | cladhaire | Any tweaks to this build as a restokin: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0tMrzizsxzZZxVIzca0x |
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| 20:32.18 | Yssaril | do DK's spells rely on spell hit or normal hit? |
| 20:32.30 | Keias | both? |
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| 20:33.05 | nevcairiel | there is only one "hit" in wotlk |
| 20:34.27 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: that is good news |
| 20:34.43 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: are you certain of that one? I was under the impression based on blue comments that both hits still exist, but gear gives both |
| 20:34.44 | nevcairiel | same as there is only one crit |
| 20:34.52 | Keias | Kinda |
| 20:34.53 | nevcairiel | well yeah |
| 20:35.01 | nevcairiel | but you dont gain passive hit through other stats |
| 20:35.08 | Dashkal | good point |
| 20:35.09 | Keias | Like you'll have talents that increase Spell hit, that obviously doesn't effect melee swings |
| 20:35.13 | nevcairiel | there is only one crit rating too |
| 20:35.19 | nevcairiel | but crit from agility isnt for spells |
| 20:35.31 | AckisWork | is there any reason why babble faction doesn't have all the factions listed? (Ravenholdt, Shen'dralar, Orgrimmar, Exodar, etc) |
| 20:35.41 | Dashkal | so then I wonder if agility will improve a DK's death coil crit rate... |
| 20:35.55 | Yssaril | Ackis: Orgrimmar is a city not a faction? |
| 20:36.02 | AckisWork | Yssaril: it's both |
| 20:36.17 | Yssaril | Ackis: a forgot about that meh |
| 20:36.34 | Keias | Dashkal, it shouldn't. |
| 20:36.45 | Zhinjio | it would mean, however, that some data was duplicated in the various LibBabble's |
| 20:36.53 | Zhinjio | so I can see where not including it would make sense |
| 20:37.00 | Keias | Most plate gear so far though, seems to have next to no agility, but crit rating instead |
| 20:37.02 | Zhinjio | however, it means you have to look in two places to get everything |
| 20:37.08 | Zhinjio | which is also kinda broken |
| 20:37.11 | Keias | So it'll benefit deathcoil along with melee swings. |
| 20:38.21 | Dashkal | Keias: that's what I was thinking. It would only come up wiht agility on DPS jewelery |
| 20:40.30 | Aeyan | "The Florida Supreme Court has approved Judge Dava Tunis' recommendations for the permanent disbarment of John B. "Jack" Thompson, with no leave to reapply and $43,675.35 in disciplinary costs." |
| 20:40.31 | Aeyan | Bahaha |
| 20:41.06 | JY` | autant aller se brancher sur une fibre transatlantique à lannion |
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| 20:42.59 | Dashkal | ~x fr en autant aller se brancher sur une fibre transatlantique àlannion |
| 20:43.31 | Dashkal | just assumes that was a mistell |
| 20:45.54 | JY` | oups mt |
| 20:46.03 | JY` | wrong chan |
| 20:46.07 | Dashkal | figured :p |
| 20:46.10 | cladhaire | ~x en fr I am the big cheese who eats the small children |
| 20:46.18 | JY` | lagging irssi display :p |
| 20:46.25 | cladhaire | thats the only phrase I know in French |
| 20:46.45 | renchap | :) |
| 20:47.05 | renchap | JY`: dont blame irssi ;) |
| 20:47.09 | JY` | that's renchap fault |
| 20:47.14 | _aLF | in tartiflette I trust |
| 20:52.52 | EthanCentaurai | ~x fr en tartiflette |
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| 20:53.34 | EthanCentaurai | >_> |
| 20:54.03 | Zhinjio | does anyone know anywhere collector's edition of lich king are still available? |
| 20:54.54 | NivFreak | gamestop was the last place with some |
| 20:54.56 | NivFreak | and I think they sold out |
| 20:55.08 | Kaelten | Zhinjio: they only took preorders for 2 days at my local gamestop |
| 20:55.11 | Kaelten | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.25 | NivFreak | they were selling them online a bit longer |
| 20:55.36 | NivFreak | I think they cut off local stores early so they didn't oversell |
| 20:55.42 | Kaelten | I managed to get my preorder in though |
| 20:55.45 | Kaelten | so I |
| 20:55.56 | Kaelten | 'll have a sealed CE on the shelf to sit next to my BC one |
| 20:56.00 | NivFreak | I have 4 CEs coming |
| 20:56.00 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 20:56.07 | NivFreak | well, 3 at gamestop at midnight |
| 20:56.09 | NivFreak | 1 from amazon |
| 20:56.15 | EthanCentaurai | are they available in Europe yet? |
| 20:56.19 | NivFreak | not yet |
| 20:56.28 | EthanCentaurai | ~epic fail Blizzard |
| 20:56.31 | purl | Blizzard, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Blizzard, you are that epic failure. |
| 20:56.33 | NivFreak | blizzard hasn't disclosed how many copies they are giving them |
| 21:00.32 | Kaelten | NivFreak: I thought about getting extras, but I wans't sure |
| 21:01.09 | NivFreak | I have 4 accounts =/ |
| 21:02.42 | EthanCentaurai | maybe Blizzard won't give us WotLK CE seeing as we got Lurky during the TBC CE drama |
| 21:04.14 | EthanCentaurai | NivFreak: four!? have people been harassing you to accept their Recruit-A-Friend emails to get the Zebra? |
| 21:04.38 | Kolie | Yay curse client has changelogs. |
| 21:04.59 | EthanCentaurai | really? *goes to download* |
| 21:05.16 | Kolie | http://static.curseforge.net/uploads/18/88/854/CurseClient11CF.zip |
| 21:05.19 | Kolie | You need that one |
| 21:05.23 | Kolie | Its not "released" yet. |
| 21:05.35 | AckisWork | so it won't auto-update? |
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| 21:05.55 | Kolie | Well 2.0.0.11 is the current release. and Im testing a fix for bugs in 2.0.0.11, and thats the link i just mentioned. |
| 21:06.05 | Kolie | It has a rollup of everything I added today. |
| 21:06.07 | Kolie | As well as the crash fix. |
| 21:06.19 | Kolie | It will be the release for 2.0.0.12 if it works though ( reports say i tdoes ) |
| 21:07.18 | Kolie | It has a bunch of new things. comments, ratings, changelog, more links to project pages... ( bad things: added the DAF to installing from find an addon for regular users ;) ) |
| 21:07.32 | Kolie | Oh and it shows the "release version" author set version tag. |
| 21:11.08 | nevcairiel | comments? the comments user left on curse.com? |
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| 21:11.13 | nevcairiel | can i turn that off for my project? =P |
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| 21:13.18 | sb | nevcairiel: is potion sickness still there? |
| 21:13.28 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 21:13.31 | nevcairiel | was too lazy |
| 21:13.47 | sb | too lazy to attack 1 mob + use potion? :p |
| 21:13.51 | sb | *sigh* ;) |
| 21:14.00 | nevcairiel | and wait 2 minutes for the regular cooldown! |
| 21:14.30 | digmouse | uh what should I do if I finished the 2 questlines in Wintergarde Keep> |
| 21:14.41 | sb | mhh why? its some debuff you get, isnt it? |
| 21:14.45 | digmouse | Harold wont give me Into Hostile Territory |
| 21:14.51 | nevcairiel | nah the debuff was made invisible |
| 21:14.52 | Aeyan | They hid the debuff last I checked |
| 21:15.07 | Kolie | nevcairiel: they have to click the link, then it goes to the comments :) |
| 21:15.22 | farmbuyer | Out of the blue sky question: why does AceEvent-2.0 register the LOOT_OPENED event at startup, hooked to a function which does nothing but SendAddonMessage("LOOT_OPENED", "", "RAID")? |
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| 21:17.28 | Arrowmaster | because somebody wanted it to |
| 21:18.07 | digmouse | anyone done the Wrathgate questline? |
| 21:19.46 | farmbuyer | Arrowmaster: while completely accurate, tautologies don't really help me :-p Nothing else in AceEvent is listening for that chat_msg_addon, and grepping the rest of the addons I happen to have doesn't turn up anything else. Seems a waste. |
| 21:20.07 | Arrowmaster | its exactly what i said |
| 21:20.12 | Arrowmaster | because somebody wanted it to |
| 21:20.16 | Kolie | !seen help |
| 21:20.21 | Kolie | !seen sylvanaar |
| 21:20.32 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: pot cooldown was 1min on beta last I checked :P |
| 21:20.48 | farmbuyer | Okay, fine, why would anybody want that done *always* in every Ace addon, unconditionally? |
| 21:21.24 | Arrowmaster | so that most people would do it |
| 21:21.54 | farmbuyer | To send an empty addon message every time loot was opened? wtf? |
| 21:22.01 | AckisWork | farmbuyer: comment out that line in your local copy and see what happens? |
| 21:22.17 | Arrowmaster | nothing will happen |
| 21:22.25 | NivFreak | EthanCentaurai: 4 70s on seperate accounts, I like to do silly things like heal and tank in raids randomly, and "solo" the BRD event etc :P |
| 21:23.22 | EthanCentaurai | ah multibox :) |
| 21:23.31 | NivFreak | just occasionally |
| 21:23.31 | farmbuyer | Got about a dozen copies embedded around, dunno which file copy gets loaded first. (Could bump the minor version artificially in whichever copy I edit, I suppose.) |
| 21:23.42 | NivFreak | I also like to use my prot pally to plvl my lowbies |
| 21:23.44 | Arrowmaster | it wont do anything |
| 21:23.50 | farmbuyer | See, that's why I'm asking: if nothing will happen, why put it in there? It looks useless. |
| 21:23.53 | NivFreak | and often like to healbot my warrior doing random stuff |
| 21:24.38 | sb | mh |
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| 21:25.00 | Arrowmaster | farmbuyer: because how else would you get most people in your raid to send that message when they loot in combat without creating an addon to just just that and forcing them all to install it |
| 21:25.07 | sb | nevcairiel: "Cooldown stars upon leaving combat" says tooltip |
| 21:25.08 | Arrowmaster | it does nothing |
| 21:25.16 | Arrowmaster | its not used by anything in ace2 |
| 21:25.23 | Arrowmaster | its only there because somebody wanted it to be |
| 21:26.19 | farmbuyer | So the point is to detect looting in combat? Fine, then *say* that, thank you, and maybe stick a comment in the code explaining it. "Code is there because somebody wanted it" is horribly uninformative. EVERY pice of code exists because "somebody wanted it". |
| 21:27.31 | Arrowmaster | its something thats been there for over 3 years untouched, nobodys going to add a comment to it |
| 21:27.57 | farmbuyer | yeah, I've given up hope on ever seeing documentation for most of these libs |
| 21:28.42 | ReAn | for ace? |
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| 21:29.19 | farmbuyer | exactly this kind of thing is the result: folks reading the code a year or two later find stuff with no comments and can't find out why it was added. |
| 21:30.24 | farmbuyer | most of the aceevent wiki page is autogenerated "needs documentation" stubs. |
| 21:30.46 | ReAn | so read the code, figure it out and write the documentation? |
| 21:31.16 | ReAn | it's a wiki for a reason |
| 21:31.34 | NivFreak | do you still always crit against targets that are sitting/lying down? |
| 21:31.43 | ReAn | NivFreak, yea |
| 21:31.57 | EthanCentaurai | gets up/ |
| 21:31.59 | NivFreak | I remember some change around it |
| 21:32.05 | NivFreak | was it to abilities triggering off of that? |
| 21:32.17 | ReAn | NivFreak: The change is, it makes you stand up so you can't keep critting |
| 21:32.42 | KriLL3 | is there a tool somewhere that tells me how much def/res I need to be uncritable? |
| 21:32.46 | farmbuyer | spent 22 years contributing to opensource projects, now I'm just exhausted. and cranky at developers not documenting their own code. :-) |
| 21:32.52 | NivFreak | I thought druids were using it to trigger one of thier effects |
| 21:32.56 | farmbuyer | KriLL3: there's a macro on the wowwiki Defense page |
| 21:33.00 | NivFreak | KriLL3: tank points |
| 21:33.02 | KriLL3 | I'm upgrading my old blue tanking gear with pvp items and I'm a bit confused over how much def I actually need with that much res |
| 21:33.22 | KriLL3 | farmbuyer: errm, how does that help? |
| 21:33.24 | farmbuyer | the macro has to be slightly tweaked based on your talents though, |
| 21:33.25 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: ? |
| 21:33.29 | NivFreak | KriLL3: it's an addon |
| 21:33.36 | NivFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.41 | NivFreak | and you can see your crit chance |
| 21:33.50 | NivFreak | and avoidance numbers etc |
| 21:33.55 | farmbuyer | You run the macro and it prints whether you're uncritable. (or install tankpoints, which is pretty sweet) |
| 21:34.03 | KriLL3 | ... isn't there a way to just type in values and see it? I don't want to gem/ench/buy items |
| 21:34.13 | NivFreak | well, you need 5.6% |
| 21:34.18 | NivFreak | so you can do the math :) |
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| 21:34.53 | farmbuyer | type in values and see what, exactly? |
| 21:35.02 | farmbuyer | the wowwiki macro scans your current gear |
| 21:35.05 | farmbuyer | as would tankpoints |
| 21:35.06 | KriLL3 | 273 res which is what I got atm gives 6.92% and my 381 def gives 1.24% |
| 21:35.14 | NivFreak | KriLL3: at lvl 70? |
| 21:35.30 | KriLL3 | farmbuyer: I just want to know how much def I need to be uncrittable with the res I got |
| 21:35.32 | KriLL3 | yes |
| 21:35.40 | NivFreak | KriLL3: you are uncrittable already |
| 21:35.47 | KriLL3 | kk :) |
| 21:35.49 | NivFreak | you need 220.64 resil to be uncritable |
| 21:35.53 | NivFreak | that's all |
| 21:36.10 | KriLL3 | spend the gems and enchants on +6 stats, stamina and agi? |
| 21:36.15 | NivFreak | for tanking? |
| 21:36.21 | KriLL3 | ... yes |
| 21:36.23 | NivFreak | depends on where your gear is at |
| 21:36.35 | NivFreak | my guideline is stamina until you're 20K raid buffed |
| 21:36.37 | NivFreak | then agi |
| 21:36.58 | KriLL3 | 23k armor in gear, 38.6% dodge 18k hp selfbuffed |
| 21:37.00 | NivFreak | but it depends on content and what your gear looks like |
| 21:37.07 | KriLL3 | 20k easily with bok/fortitude |
| 21:37.20 | NivFreak | so yea, a mix of agi/stam gems for useful bonuses is probably good |
| 21:37.26 | farmbuyer | ReAn: btw, the wiki pages (apparently) get generated from code, so editing them would be overwritten the next time the code gets touched for any reason. |
| 21:37.26 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: oh noez |
| 21:37.26 | NivFreak | your armor is pretty low |
| 21:37.27 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 21:37.36 | KriLL3 | agi adds armor |
| 21:37.37 | Xinhuan | what? |
| 21:37.46 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: is it possible WoWEquip doesn't handle Enchant Shield +Block Rating? :X |
| 21:37.49 | NivFreak | I mean, I have near 20K on my warrior ;) |
| 21:37.53 | Xinhuan | dunno |
| 21:38.02 | Xinhuan | anything it doesn't handle, complain to jerry |
| 21:38.07 | Xinhuan | libitembonus-2.0 guy |
| 21:38.13 | KriLL3 | well I'm in badge + pvp gear |
| 21:38.27 | Xinhuan | i'm kiling bruisers |
| 21:38.30 | Xinhuan | 2 hours of it now |
| 21:38.34 | Gnarfoz | ~seen jerry |
| 21:38.45 | purl | jerry <n=root@202.74.105.113> was last seen on IRC in channel #, 342d 18h 55m 59s ago, saying: 'MSG GreaseMonkey hi.'. |
| 21:38.46 | NivFreak | you should be fine for kara and probably most of ZA |
| 21:38.46 | NivFreak | and likely a lot of t5 |
| 21:38.55 | NivFreak | since everyone overgears it |
| 21:38.57 | nevcairiel | he never really was a irc guy =P |
| 21:39.18 | KriLL3 | NivFreak: what about 70-75~ non heroics? |
| 21:39.18 | Arrowmaster | i doubt thats even him |
| 21:39.26 | NivFreak | KriLL3: yea, you'll be fine |
| 21:39.30 | NivFreak | they are a joke |
| 21:39.35 | KriLL3 | kk |
| 21:39.37 | Arrowmaster | and yay i just had 20 flasks made and got 25 back |
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| 21:40.07 | KriLL3 | well if they required sunwell gear... it wouldn't exactly be nice for people that just got 68 in outland and then went to northrend |
| 21:40.09 | NivFreak | I've been running instances constantly with bosses at +3 |
| 21:40.14 | NivFreak | and it's so trivial |
| 21:40.19 | nevcairiel | I've been getting so much spare tank loot in sunwell the last weeks .. looking forward to tanking some with wotlk =P |
| 21:40.21 | NivFreak | I think we ran one where they were +4, and it was also trivial |
| 21:40.32 | NivFreak | KriLL3: yea, I know |
| 21:40.45 | NivFreak | I'm basically in full BT/Hyjal epics |
| 21:40.47 | NivFreak | no sunwell drops |
| 21:40.54 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: the thread I'm supposed to complain in doesn't exist :< |
| 21:41.00 | Xinhuan | it does |
| 21:41.00 | KriLL3 | well that's still a minority |
| 21:41.01 | NivFreak | and I'm thinking I'll be able to keep using most of it up to 80 |
| 21:41.02 | Xinhuan | 2 pagse of it |
| 21:41.05 | NivFreak | with a few bits subbed in |
| 21:41.14 | NivFreak | which is fine by me |
| 21:41.28 | nevcairiel | well tanks that directly leveld up will never be really "easy" in the new instances =P |
| 21:41.50 | nevcairiel | but if you have some blue from 70 |
| 21:41.52 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: I started on beta with a lvl 70 warrior in ~lvl 65 blues/greens |
| 21:41.53 | nevcairiel | its all fine |
| 21:42.02 | NivFreak | really no tank gear |
| 21:42.19 | NivFreak | I grabbed a few of the quest tanking items from the early Borean tundra quests |
| 21:42.21 | nevcairiel | if your whole group is like that, its a real adventure :D |
| 21:42.28 | NivFreak | and really had no problem doing UK or nexus |
| 21:42.33 | Gnarfoz | Xinhuan: where at? oO |
| 21:42.34 | NivFreak | I was critable as shit too |
| 21:42.40 | Xinhuan | oneof the forums |
| 21:42.45 | Xinhuan | on wowace |
| 21:42.45 | NivFreak | but you're right, my healer had some gear |
| 21:42.45 | nevcairiel | I even was in naxx with critable tanks |
| 21:42.46 | NivFreak | kara epics |
| 21:42.50 | Gnarfoz | oic |
| 21:42.52 | nevcairiel | because getting uncritable is some task ;) |
| 21:43.01 | Gnarfoz | fx3 address bar tricked me |
| 21:43.07 | NivFreak | yea, I'm having a hard time staying uncrittable at 72 already |
| 21:43.14 | NivFreak | and man my avoidance is dropping fast |
| 21:43.32 | nevcairiel | dont worry about it before 80 |
| 21:43.32 | NivFreak | I've got to be down 25% from live @ 70 now |
| 21:43.44 | NivFreak | meh, I have trinkets |
| 21:43.58 | NivFreak | SMI and another blue def trinket should keep me capped until nearly 80 |
| 21:44.22 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: main reason I'm glad I am now not the tank but DPS in our new 10 man guild :P |
| 21:44.27 | nevcairiel | thats kinda nifty for druids though. no longer need to gem def or equip crappy def trinkets |
| 21:44.32 | NeoTron | although I admit I'll miss the tanking aspect because it was a lot of fun |
| 21:44.42 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: hate =/ |
| 21:44.50 | nevcairiel | 6% specced crit reduction = win |
| 21:45.08 | NivFreak | HATE |
| 21:45.17 | NeoTron | hey warlocks get 3%! |
| 21:45.20 | nevcairiel | its only fair, we dont get shit out of def |
| 21:45.25 | nevcairiel | we get the dodge |
| 21:45.26 | nevcairiel | wow |
| 21:45.28 | NivFreak | I'm just itching for them to get my 8 target TC glyph working |
| 21:45.30 | nevcairiel | you get dodge, parry, block |
| 21:45.31 | NeoTron | DK's miss out a bit too |
| 21:45.37 | NeoTron | just the block but still |
| 21:45.52 | Fisker- | nevcairiel i'm multithreading >:3 |
| 21:46.23 | nevcairiel | kinda sad that they stole druids all their armor and replaced it with some talent to soak dmg |
| 21:46.34 | nevcairiel | but what can you do ;) |
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| 21:48.22 | NeoTron | but druids still have higher armor based on what blizz said |
| 21:48.27 | NeoTron | just not AS high |
| 21:48.35 | nevcairiel | hm nah |
| 21:48.43 | nevcairiel | actual values are about equal with warrs |
| 21:48.49 | nevcairiel | maybe a slight percentage |
| 21:48.50 | NeoTron | they said some 5-7k higher armor did they not? |
| 21:49.02 | NeoTron | and 7k or so mroe health, to a large degree helped by not having to gem for defense |
| 21:49.20 | nevcairiel | we can get alot of more armor with the right stuff |
| 21:49.28 | nevcairiel | like that ring and trinket that showed up on mmo-c today |
| 21:49.31 | nevcairiel | with armor bonus |
| 21:49.52 | nevcairiel | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/september/8982/nax25_trinket_defenderscode.jpg |
| 21:49.54 | NeoTron | any 8 target swipe glyph yet? (and make it 360) |
| 21:49.57 | nevcairiel | defiately druid |
| 21:50.17 | nevcairiel | no not yet, they still work on druid aoe-tanking |
| 21:50.20 | NeoTron | inmdeed. hopefully there will be a 10 man equivalent |
| 21:50.32 | NeoTron | I don't want our druid MT to step down to warrior or DK or pally |
| 21:50.39 | NeoTron | but she might if the aoe situation doesn't improve |
| 21:50.54 | nevcairiel | they'll fix it |
| 21:51.08 | NeoTron | I'd hope so |
| 21:51.20 | NeoTron | meanwhile I will be the only DK main in the new guild |
| 21:51.24 | NeoTron | which surprised me a bit. |
| 21:51.27 | NivFreak | don't worry about DK tanks |
| 21:51.28 | NivFreak | lol |
| 21:51.41 | nevcairiel | we have 2 DKs as of now |
| 21:51.42 | NeoTron | I'd be the tank if she or the other tank is out |
| 21:51.43 | NivFreak | I suspect paladins will be the best MTs in wrath still |
| 21:51.48 | nevcairiel | in a 25 raid guild still |
| 21:51.55 | NivFreak | they got a solid single target threat boost |
| 21:51.59 | NivFreak | aoe tanking is unmatched |
| 21:52.06 | NivFreak | and better utility than any other tanking class |
| 21:52.06 | NeoTron | NivFreak: that would be an issue if threat was an issue |
| 21:52.13 | NeoTron | and DK AoE tanking is, well, perfectly fine |
| 21:52.29 | NeoTron | unholy AoE I don't really lose aggro |
| 21:52.32 | digmouse | but what for prot pally aoe tanking? |
| 21:52.44 | NivFreak | I'm just saying, the things that have provided challenges for paladins in MT roles on live, seem to be gone |
| 21:52.46 | digmouse | better or worse? |
| 21:52.51 | nevcairiel | paladins still have mana issues on low-dmg mobs |
| 21:52.53 | NivFreak | and they are still stronger at AoE tanking than other tanks |
| 21:52.58 | NivFreak | with more utility |
| 21:53.07 | NeoTron | paladins can't OT where threat is needed but they don't take much damage, indeed |
| 21:53.07 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: and warriors have rage issues |
| 21:53.12 | NivFreak | you switch to JoW/SoW and pot |
| 21:53.17 | digmouse | better than DK? |
| 21:53.19 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: I said MT, not OT |
| 21:53.22 | NeoTron | DK's is the only tank class that doesn't need to be hit to generate threat |
| 21:53.23 | nevcairiel | imho they fixed alot of those rage issues |
| 21:53.34 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: it's ok, but not fixed |
| 21:53.35 | NivFreak | :P |
| 21:53.41 | NivFreak | I still can't run a full threat cycle |
| 21:53.45 | NivFreak | I have to manage heroic strike |
| 21:53.50 | NivFreak | and revenege is so random now |
| 21:53.54 | NivFreak | low rage situation suck for threat |
| 21:54.02 | NeoTron | NivFreak: but you generate a shitton of threat? |
| 21:54.06 | NivFreak | yes |
| 21:54.11 | NivFreak | a metric shit ton |
| 21:54.13 | NeoTron | I just realized something. do DK's have any threat reducing talents? |
| 21:54.15 | NivFreak | so do pally |
| 21:54.28 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: they are a bit screwed as DPS there =P |
| 21:54.42 | NeoTron | or will they be the only melee dps class that doesn't generate 30% less threat? |
| 21:55.26 | NivFreak | I was trying to think of a good compromise for TG |
| 21:55.38 | NivFreak | the flat -15% hit penalty is harsh at lvl 70 |
| 21:55.44 | NivFreak | even if it preforms well in naxx gear |
| 21:55.47 | NivFreak | or rogue leather |
| 21:55.51 | NeoTron | ah subversion is 25% threat reduction |
| 21:55.55 | NeoTron | and tier 1 blood |
| 21:55.57 | Aeyan | Yep |
| 21:56.14 | NivFreak | I was wondering if they could make the hit penalty scale off ilvl in some why that is sane |
| 21:56.15 | NeoTron | it's not 30% but should be sufficient |
| 21:56.35 | NeoTron | does fury warrior brin any raid/group benefits? |
| 21:56.39 | NeoTron | other than dps that is |
| 21:56.52 | nevcairiel | rampage |
| 21:56.53 | NivFreak | yes |
| 21:56.54 | NivFreak | 5% crit |
| 21:56.55 | NivFreak | mmmm |
| 21:57.00 | NivFreak | it's sex |
| 21:57.10 | nevcairiel | well ferals can deliver on that too |
| 21:57.14 | NivFreak | sure |
| 21:57.25 | Aeyan | Maybe with tanking threat increases I can actually use VE without a pally |
| 21:57.26 | NivFreak | as with pretty much every other buff |
| 21:57.36 | NivFreak | Aeyan: my spriests use VE? |
| 21:57.44 | NivFreak | except when there are heavy adds spawning |
| 21:57.53 | Aeyan | Of course, I use it whenever possible |
| 21:58.01 | Aeyan | But bad warrior and druid tanks cannot handle that |
| 21:58.04 | NivFreak | the big problem is |
| 21:58.12 | NivFreak | we don't know how DPS is going to scale compared to threat at 80 |
| 21:58.13 | Aeyan | and if there's AE damage going around, even good pallys can't take it sometimes |
| 21:58.29 | Aeyan | I'm not really theorycrafting, just speculating =P |
| 21:58.53 | nevcairiel | Its not really the tanks fault, though |
| 21:59.02 | nevcairiel | that constant group healing produces a shit-ton of aggro |
| 21:59.06 | nevcairiel | and spriests cant reset =P |
| 21:59.17 | Aeyan | I mean when it's only the tank and I taking damage |
| 21:59.28 | Aeyan | A warrior should be able to hold the one thing |
| 21:59.48 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 21:59.49 | NivFreak | there are some fights were spriests top our destro locks on threat meters |
| 21:59.51 | NivFreak | just from VE |
| 21:59.58 | Aeyan | No doubt |
| 21:59.59 | NivFreak | so I can see why in some cases that could case problems |
| 22:00.06 | Dashkal | Question: Is there any data on who gets the heal threat for health auras? I assumed it was the player getting healed but since they managed to make lifebloom, etc credit the healer I'm no longer certain |
| 22:00.08 | nevcairiel | brutallus in soak groups =P |
| 22:00.09 | NivFreak | like say |
| 22:00.10 | NivFreak | RoS p3 |
| 22:00.17 | NivFreak | yea |
| 22:00.43 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: look at the combat log, does the player heal himself, or is being healed? |
| 22:00.43 | KriLL3 | I really wish inscription stuff and gems will be removable/changeable without vanishing, perhaps with a cooldown or something but their main purposes are gold drains, that's no longer needed in LK |
| 22:00.53 | NivFreak | I finally have a decent threat/mitigation rotation down for p3 RoS |
| 22:00.56 | nevcairiel | they changed lifebloom etc that it shows properly in combatlog as well |
| 22:00.59 | NivFreak | that's one of the tricker fights to tank |
| 22:00.59 | nevcairiel | not only threat wise |
| 22:01.02 | NivFreak | that I've ever done |
| 22:01.13 | NivFreak | I usually get greedy once per kill and take a nice 12K health spike |
| 22:01.18 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: that's what I was thinking of. If nobody knows offhand I'll happily test it tonight. |
| 22:01.25 | NivFreak | but my locks don't even bitch now |
| 22:01.45 | digmouse | is a 5 min Gorefiend raid group fast enough to support RoS P3? |
| 22:02.07 | NivFreak | RoS p3 is just as much in the hands of your healers as your DPS |
| 22:02.18 | NivFreak | you can just cheese ball it with 4 CoH priests ;) |
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| 22:02.30 | digmouse | we got 5! |
| 22:02.32 | NivFreak | hahaha |
| 22:02.36 | NivFreak | you'll be golden then |
| 22:02.43 | NivFreak | one per gruop |
| 22:02.44 | NivFreak | group |
| 22:02.49 | digmouse | we got 5 CoH pri for bloodboil |
| 22:02.57 | NivFreak | yea, that sucks for bloodboil |
| 22:02.58 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:03.02 | digmouse | and we downed him in 3 attempts |
| 22:03.03 | NivFreak | you only need 2-3 |
| 22:03.13 | NivFreak | well |
| 22:03.17 | NivFreak | let me rephrase |
| 22:03.23 | NivFreak | more than 2-3 is not really helping |
| 22:03.30 | NivFreak | we only use one CoH priest in p2 for bloodboil healing |
| 22:03.42 | digmouse | last week we managed to get P2 5% RoS |
| 22:03.50 | digmouse | planning to down it tonight |
| 22:03.58 | NivFreak | just save timers for p3 |
| 22:04.00 | NivFreak | and you're good |
| 22:04.05 | NivFreak | you guys hitting zero mana? |
| 22:04.15 | digmouse | ya, taking some new ones |
| 22:04.22 | digmouse | and the mages' hit sucks |
| 22:04.22 | NivFreak | our first kills, and when we have random offnights |
| 22:04.29 | NivFreak | we'd do two things |
| 22:04.32 | NivFreak | er |
| 22:04.33 | NivFreak | three |
| 22:04.44 | NivFreak | 1.) Rogues tank off MH weapons to keep kicking |
| 22:04.57 | NivFreak | 2.) Warlocks summon fel hunters before they go OOM to each the shields |
| 22:05.05 | digmouse | we took 2 rogues with S4 glove that helps |
| 22:05.07 | NivFreak | 3.) Paladins do LoH rotations on the tank after OOM |
| 22:05.19 | NivFreak | sure, they can just shiv and DT |
| 22:05.22 | NivFreak | but they need combo points |
| 22:05.32 | NivFreak | and they need to keep mind numbing up |
| 22:05.38 | digmouse | we took 3 rogues, 2 with S4 glove |
| 22:05.45 | NivFreak | so you may as well just take off your MH weapon so you don't kill yourself without heals |
| 22:05.51 | NivFreak | you can get through 10% after OOM if you do it right |
| 22:05.53 | digmouse | the interruption and stealing is perfect |
| 22:06.02 | NivFreak | we use two rogues |
| 22:06.21 | digmouse | maybe will take 2 with S4 glove tonight |
| 22:06.24 | farmbuyer | priests can use inner fire and single-target dispel magic to remove the shield too; just spam dispel, and if there's no shield, the inner fire won't be eaten |
| 22:06.29 | digmouse | bring more healer or ranged |
| 22:06.32 | NivFreak | s4 gloves aren't really needed tbh |
| 22:06.33 | farmbuyer | er |
| 22:06.40 | farmbuyer | not inner fire, meant inner focus |
| 22:06.50 | NivFreak | 6 sec lock out is nice though |
| 22:06.52 | digmouse | ye inner focus |
| 22:07.31 | digmouse | we'll bring some geared guy tonight, think we can burn him before OOM |
| 22:07.35 | NivFreak | farmbuyer: dispelling that shield sucks ass |
| 22:07.41 | NivFreak | your mages can do SO much more dmg with it |
| 22:07.45 | NivFreak | that's like eating deadens |
| 22:08.12 | NivFreak | digmouse: like I said though, with proper planning you can get through ~10% after oom |
| 22:08.15 | NivFreak | without losing people |
| 22:08.15 | farmbuyer | yeah, we normally have a warlock puppy eating it, and then every so often a mage will request that the puppy not eat the next shield up |
| 22:08.17 | digmouse | last week with 2 mages only ~70 hit rating |
| 22:08.32 | NivFreak | farmbuyer: we have 3 mages spam spell steal then burn CDs |
| 22:08.36 | NivFreak | if they get it |
| 22:08.42 | NivFreak | no fel puppies until the OOM part |
| 22:08.44 | digmouse | Niv: last week we just OOM at 9% and burn him to 5% |
| 22:08.47 | NivFreak | which doesn't happen much anymore |
| 22:08.56 | farmbuyer | Priests only step in with IF+dispel if we hit zero mana, which usually doesn't happen anymore. It's mostly a fallback for early attempts/kills. |
| 22:09.01 | NivFreak | digmouse: then shield went up or CoT fell off, right? |
| 22:09.33 | NivFreak | but if you're behind on dmg, the most important things you can do are: |
| 22:09.37 | NivFreak | 1.) Reflect EVERY deaden |
| 22:09.45 | digmouse | Niv: right, mages wont do, actually we FD bb last week and have only couple of attempts on it |
| 22:09.45 | NivFreak | 2.) Spell steal EVERY shield |
| 22:10.07 | NivFreak | that is the tank and mages jobs on that fight |
| 22:10.13 | NivFreak | if they can't perform those roles, they fail |
| 22:10.21 | digmouse | we done that well, maybe actually the dps issue |
| 22:10.24 | NivFreak | you can brute force it with gear |
| 22:10.47 | digmouse | the geared guys will come back tonight |
| 22:10.47 | NivFreak | but RoS is an execution fight |
| 22:10.52 | NivFreak | people do their jobs and he dies |
| 22:11.08 | NivFreak | just don't let your locks use CoD in p2... |
| 22:11.27 | digmouse | :) sure |
| 22:11.29 | NivFreak | and SW:D is also a bad idea ;) |
| 22:11.50 | digmouse | we got no spriest lol |
| 22:11.56 | NivFreak | holy priests... |
| 22:12.03 | NivFreak | mine kill themselves once in a while |
| 22:12.05 | NivFreak | trying to help |
| 22:12.09 | digmouse | 4 CoH and 1 Discipline |
| 22:12.19 | NivFreak | imp ds, or PS? |
| 22:12.28 | Primer | I love how my raid leader lets me raid as disc :) |
| 22:12.28 | Arrowmaster | NivFreak: raid never gave me a chance to use CoD in p2 =( |
| 22:12.31 | digmouse | that PS pri is intended for bb fight |
| 22:12.37 | Arrowmaster | i always wanted too |
| 22:12.38 | Primer | full disc, pvp spec |
| 22:12.43 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: you finish it in < 1 min? |
| 22:12.47 | NivFreak | Primer: yuk |
| 22:12.54 | farmbuyer | pain suppression feels like cheating for bloodboil, it's awesome :-) |
| 22:12.56 | Arrowmaster | no i always got put on a different curse |
| 22:12.58 | Primer | heh, I just don't want to respec |
| 22:13.02 | NivFreak | digmouse: I found PS to be basically useless on BB |
| 22:13.08 | Primer | the raid leader only wants DS |
| 22:13.11 | NivFreak | it's too short of a duration |
| 22:13.19 | NivFreak | and we don't even bother with imp ds |
| 22:13.21 | NivFreak | haven't since SSC |
| 22:13.24 | Primer | which I happily provide. PS is just a bonus |
| 22:13.26 | digmouse | Niv: we wont use disc for next weeks anymore |
| 22:13.40 | Primer | I've saved the MT a few times with it |
| 22:13.41 | NivFreak | having another CoH is far better than imp ds |
| 22:13.46 | NivFreak | buy spirit scrolls |
| 22:13.50 | digmouse | we're trying to get only 8 healers for next week |
| 22:13.50 | NivFreak | Primer: non-warrior? |
| 22:13.59 | Primer | yeah, pally tank on Hyjal trash pulls |
| 22:14.02 | NivFreak | digmouse: we run 7-8 healers |
| 22:14.09 | NivFreak | Primer: ah, tell him to buy free action potions |
| 22:14.13 | digmouse | ya on our FD we take 10 |
| 22:14.18 | digmouse | and 9 for last night |
| 22:14.25 | NivFreak | digmouse: we tried 10, it was too much |
| 22:14.28 | NivFreak | fight went too long |
| 22:14.42 | Primer | There was a night when I came in 3rd in overall healing...I guess that's just a testament to how bad our healers are |
| 22:14.44 | digmouse | ya, our FD goes to 9:50 |
| 22:14.52 | whatsinthename | how do i access a local i declare in core.lua from a module? |
| 22:14.52 | digmouse | it's crazy |
| 22:14.59 | NivFreak | Primer: CoH isn't great for hyjal though |
| 22:15.12 | NivFreak | the fights are pretty gimmicy |
| 22:15.13 | Primer | NivFreak: heh, when I go as CoH, I top meters |
| 22:15.15 | NivFreak | and the trash is random |
| 22:15.27 | Primer | I mostly spam CoH on melee though |
| 22:15.37 | Primer | and keep PoM on the tanks |
| 22:15.39 | NivFreak | I do too, but I also steal the druid innervates to compete with our t6 priests ;) |
| 22:15.43 | digmouse | and I have DPS issue myself on BB |
| 22:15.55 | NivFreak | my priest is crafted/za/badge with a couple of random bt offbits |
| 22:16.04 | Primer | I have 1 piece of T6 |
| 22:16.04 | NivFreak | so it's hard to keep up |
| 22:16.12 | Primer | but as CoH I have 2300 healing |
| 22:16.17 | digmouse | in gorefiend and RoS I can make a ~1400-1500 DPS but only 1100 on BB |
| 22:16.17 | NivFreak | I'm not a CoH spammer |
| 22:16.23 | NivFreak | my mix of spells is pretty big |
| 22:16.30 | digmouse | guidies blame me for that :( |
| 22:16.33 | Primer | I mostly cast flash heal |
| 22:16.46 | Primer | PoM is always up |
| 22:16.48 | NivFreak | PoM every CD, renews liberally, flash heals for quick reactions, and CoH for topping groups off on the move or proper raid dmg |
| 22:16.53 | Primer | random renews on locks |
| 22:17.01 | Primer | the bad locks, the ones that don't bring mana pots |
| 22:17.04 | NivFreak | then I use down ranked gheals for moderate single target dmg |
| 22:17.04 | Primer | fuckers |
| 22:17.14 | NivFreak | I leave renews on locks and spriests |
| 22:17.16 | NivFreak | more dmg == win |
| 22:17.25 | digmouse | Primer: we wont let locks use LT |
| 22:17.28 | NivFreak | please SW:D every CD, and tap in your rotation |
| 22:17.32 | NivFreak | digmouse: ... |
| 22:17.37 | NivFreak | hots man.. |
| 22:17.40 | Quaiche | You can either starve the locks and gimp the raid, or feed them and have them do more damage. |
| 22:17.48 | Quaiche | I've never understood people wanting to starve them. |
| 22:17.50 | Primer | NivFreak: "It lowers DPS" |
| 22:17.55 | NivFreak | hahahaha |
| 22:17.56 | NivFreak | ok |
| 22:17.57 | NivFreak | dude |
| 22:17.59 | Primer | is their contention...which is fine, if they want to compete |
| 22:18.01 | NivFreak | fix that idea |
| 22:18.03 | Primer | for top DPS |
| 22:18.06 | Primer | which they do, of course |
| 22:18.14 | NivFreak | they should be potting AND tapping |
| 22:18.23 | NivFreak | tap -> rejuv == win |
| 22:18.26 | Quaiche | You can make it an individual competition or a team effort. I prefer the latter. |
| 22:18.29 | digmouse | we want them potting |
| 22:18.31 | Primer | I know they do, they just don't admit it :) |
| 22:18.41 | digmouse | since.. we got only 1 resto druid! |
| 22:18.45 | NivFreak | but for fire destro, the rotation is like a tap every 8 casts? |
| 22:18.52 | NivFreak | digmouse: YOU HAVE 5 PRIESTS WITH RENEW |
| 22:19.01 | NivFreak | use it! |
| 22:19.18 | digmouse | Priests are busy spamming CoH on bb groups |
| 22:19.22 | digmouse | they say that |
| 22:19.28 | NivFreak | that's a flat out lie |
| 22:19.33 | digmouse | true |
| 22:19.42 | Primer | Keeping hots up on anyone that didn't have 100% HP is what allows me to come in third in overall healing in Hyjal as pvp disc spec |
| 22:19.46 | NivFreak | We use 3 CoH priests, I have often been one of them |
| 22:19.46 | digmouse | our healers are low in reaction |
| 22:19.50 | NivFreak | p2 requires ONE coh priest |
| 22:20.00 | Primer | and last in overhealing, btw |
| 22:20.01 | NivFreak | to keep bloodboil groups healthy |
| 22:20.06 | digmouse | sometimes Fel Raged ppl dont get healed in 2 or 3sec |
| 22:20.08 | NivFreak | overhealing is NOT a bad thing |
| 22:20.14 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 22:20.27 | digmouse | but now we're better |
| 22:20.28 | NivFreak | digmouse: wow... |
| 22:20.34 | NivFreak | and they live? |
| 22:20.42 | digmouse | no of course |
| 22:20.42 | Primer | true, but if you going oom a lot, it shows that you may not be doing your job correctly |
| 22:20.50 | NivFreak | Primer: of course |
| 22:20.58 | digmouse | at the beginning some pally spam FoL! |
| 22:21.05 | NivFreak | Primer: either that, or you're covering for lax healers |
| 22:21.08 | Primer | In one night of Hyjal, 4/5 as CoH, I potted...3 times |
| 22:21.12 | NivFreak | which is why healing is a team effort |
| 22:21.22 | Primer | top in healing, bottom in overhealing |
| 22:21.24 | NivFreak | Primer: I'd argue you weren't aggresive enough :) |
| 22:21.32 | NivFreak | or you brought too many healers |
| 22:21.36 | Primer | meanwhile, Mr. Chainheal spamming sham was at 60% overhealing |
| 22:21.45 | NivFreak | COH is hard to edge out ;P |
| 22:21.50 | digmouse | our shammy are good |
| 22:22.00 | NivFreak | it's the flash heal of group heals |
| 22:22.12 | NivFreak | but go look at your resto druid rolling LBs on your tanks |
| 22:22.15 | NivFreak | and check out his overhealing |
| 22:22.16 | NivFreak | ;) |
| 22:22.17 | Primer | NivFreak: I agree with you, to a certain extent |
| 22:22.26 | digmouse | and u know, we got around 8 or 9 females in our raid, girls sometimes react slower |
| 22:22.43 | NivFreak | heh, we have two women that raid with us |
| 22:22.46 | Primer | NivFreak: I compare myself to the other CoH priest in our group, who until recently topped overhealing meters, and, if there was a OOM meter, he'd have topped that too |
| 22:22.48 | NivFreak | and they are 2 of our worst 3 raiders |
| 22:23.00 | digmouse | and 5 of them are healers |
| 22:23.01 | NivFreak | Primer: that's bad =/ |
| 22:23.10 | digmouse | but most of them are good :) |
| 22:23.12 | Primer | that is, until he and I started comparing notes |
| 22:23.18 | Primer | and we learned from each other |
| 22:23.26 | Primer | he, my good qualities, I, his bad :) |
| 22:23.27 | nevcairiel | How do you manage to not hit overhealing with CoH? Not like all 5 group members always take constant dmg |
| 22:23.33 | NivFreak | sigh, I really wish I had been able to retain our best rage |
| 22:23.34 | NivFreak | er |
| 22:23.34 | NivFreak | mage |
| 22:23.53 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: you don't spam it until they are all full? ;) |
| 22:23.54 | Primer | nevcairiel: I exagerated a bit. CoH is not my main spell, flash heal and PoM come first |
| 22:24.01 | digmouse | we got 2 women shammy 2 CoH priest 1 restor druid and 2 locks |
| 22:24.08 | Primer | CoH on melee when they're taking it up the ass: Priceless |
| 22:24.13 | digmouse | most of them are good :) |
| 22:24.35 | nevcairiel | when i really tried i could top all meters in Hyjal |
| 22:24.40 | nevcairiel | just with some rolling LBs |
| 22:24.44 | nevcairiel | but it got so boring |
| 22:24.46 | KriLL3 | is there an easy way to add/remove focus? |
| 22:24.49 | NivFreak | one of ours is aussie, so half of it is her shitty connection, the other half is her inability to quickly recognize priorities |
| 22:24.50 | nevcairiel | so i just spam regrowth |
| 22:24.51 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 22:25.02 | NivFreak | haha |
| 22:25.09 | NivFreak | yea, our resto druids always rocked meters in hyjal |
| 22:25.12 | Primer | KriLL3: what do you mean? |
| 22:25.22 | NivFreak | there's so much tank dmg |
| 22:25.27 | NivFreak | I remember them being miles ahead on healing |
| 22:25.29 | Primer | I have a macro that reads: /focus |
| 22:25.31 | Primer | :) |
| 22:25.31 | NivFreak | with like 8% overheal |
| 22:25.44 | digmouse | KriLL3: /focus and /clearfocus. do 2 macros |
| 22:25.49 | KriLL3 | digmouse: thx |
| 22:25.54 | digmouse | and bind them to hotkeys |
| 22:26.03 | digmouse | hotkeys = win~ |
| 22:26.05 | Primer | yeah, /clearfocus |
| 22:26.08 | farmbuyer | KriLL3: the builtin UI has keybindings already for them, but by default they're not set to anything |
| 22:26.24 | digmouse | I bind them to my Reclusa side key |
| 22:26.25 | Primer | Is there even a focus frame in the default UI? |
| 22:26.39 | digmouse | so I dont use default key binding |
| 22:26.48 | digmouse | Primer: no for default UI |
| 22:26.58 | digmouse | but there is one in WoTLK |
| 22:27.02 | Primer | Ahh |
| 22:27.15 | NivFreak | you have to love that |
| 22:27.22 | digmouse | for now the focus will have a white border |
| 22:27.27 | NivFreak | focus has been around since before tbc right? |
| 22:27.43 | digmouse | since 2.0 |
| 22:27.47 | NivFreak | was it actually 2.0? |
| 22:27.56 | digmouse | 2.0 actually |
| 22:27.57 | farmbuyer | was using focus in lvl 60 Naxx |
| 22:28.00 | NivFreak | ok, so it only took them 2 years to add a UI frame |
| 22:28.03 | NivFreak | love blizzard |
| 22:28.22 | Kolie | Anyone get crashes when attempting to start the latest Curse Client 2.0.0.11 and willing to test out a fix for it? Could use some more help. |
| 22:28.27 | digmouse | blizzard = win |
| 22:28.27 | NivFreak | didn't they justify it at the time as not wanting to introduce unneeded complexity into the default UI? |
| 22:28.44 | farmbuyer | something like that |
| 22:28.58 | NivFreak | blizzard makes a great MMO, but they have their moments... |
| 22:29.06 | digmouse | will Omen evolve in wotLK? |
| 22:29.29 | farmbuyer | To be fair, most of the players who like seeing as much info as possible are probably replacing the default unitframes anyhow. It was months before I learned that the default UI *didn't* have a focus frame. |
| 22:29.32 | Primer | Kolie: crickets... |
| 22:29.38 | Kolie | Primer: for sure :) |
| 22:29.40 | Primer | Kolie: I'd offer, but: |
| 22:29.42 | NivFreak | farmbuyer: focus is almost mandatory now |
| 22:29.43 | NivFreak | :P |
| 22:29.44 | Primer | Linux daniel.omnis.com 2.6.26.3-29.fc9.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 3 03:16:37 EDT 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:29.55 | NivFreak | and I raid with plenty of people who use default frames... as insane as that is |
| 22:30.10 | farmbuyer | It's mandatory now that the macro system caught up. |
| 22:30.31 | Primer | NivFreak: I hate it when someone in vent goes: "Where are you?" (for buffing, etc) |
| 22:30.36 | Primer | L2FRAMES? |
| 22:30.46 | digmouse | Niv: The only mod some my guildies installed is Omen.. |
| 22:30.54 | Primer | btw, this reminds me |
| 22:31.11 | digmouse | they have nothing besides Omen |
| 22:31.11 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 22:31.14 | Primer | I wanted to make an addon that'd show an arrow on the ground that points to the direction of a raid member |
| 22:31.15 | NivFreak | we have required addons |
| 22:31.21 | NivFreak | bigwigs, omen, ora2 |
| 22:31.22 | NivFreak | uhh |
| 22:31.33 | Primer | Anyone aware of an addon that does this? I've discussed this before |
| 22:31.35 | NivFreak | groupcal |
| 22:31.46 | digmouse | we only requires Omen, we got certain ppls with BW/DBM/RBM |
| 22:31.58 | NivFreak | my rule of thumb for DBM vs bigwigs is |
| 22:32.03 | NivFreak | you can use whichever until you fuck up |
| 22:32.05 | Primer | For example, in Hyjal (Yes, my raid does Hyjal still, a lot), we split up a lot in the Horde camp |
| 22:32.09 | NivFreak | then I make you use bigwigs with flash and shake |
| 22:32.24 | nevcairiel | i require BigWigs right now just to know that they definately had a working bos mod |
| 22:32.26 | nevcairiel | *boss |
| 22:32.28 | Primer | and while PitBull shows when people are out of range, it doesn't show which direction they are |
| 22:32.34 | digmouse | nobody do trash module for RBM :( |
| 22:32.38 | Primer | and that'd be a really nice thing to have |
| 22:32.48 | NivFreak | I wish bigwigs would flash and shake for flame strike on council =/ |
| 22:32.49 | KriLL3 | Primer: I don't think that's possible |
| 22:32.54 | Primer | KriLL3: it is |
| 22:33.17 | NivFreak | yea, it is |
| 22:33.22 | NivFreak | with the gps lib I think |
| 22:33.40 | Primer | there's an API call that can give the coordinates, I know that much |
| 22:33.45 | NivFreak | they have an ezmode VR mod that could probably be adapted to do it |
| 22:34.02 | nevcairiel | Primer: not in instances |
| 22:34.08 | digmouse | if RBM has a Hyjal trash mod, I will kick BW away! but it doesnt |
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| 22:34.24 | NivFreak | nevcairiel: they have a way to do it in instances too |
| 22:34.26 | Primer | nevcairiel: I understand WotLK has coordinate in instances? |
| 22:34.40 | Arrowmaster | digmouse: but bigwigs has hyjal trash info? |
| 22:34.43 | NivFreak | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/13008/ |
| 22:34.47 | NivFreak | check that out primer |
| 22:34.51 | farmbuyer | What data do you want for Hyjal trash? Composition of the waves? |
| 22:34.54 | NivFreak | you could probably adapt thier method |
| 22:35.01 | Primer | NivFreak: ok, thanks |
| 22:35.08 | digmouse | Arrowmaster: that's why i cant throw it away |
| 22:35.16 | Arrowmaster | why would you want to? |
| 22:35.24 | digmouse | the only thing BW do for me is Hyjal now |
| 22:35.28 | whatsinthename | is there a way to access a AceDB object declared in core from another module? |
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| 22:36.05 | Primer | whatsinthename: NameOfObject |
| 22:36.11 | Primer | as long as it's not local |
| 22:37.22 | whatsinthename | can i declare a new aceDB object in the module for the same var? |
| 22:37.37 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:37.54 | Arrowmaster | look at the acedb api |
| 22:38.04 | Arrowmaster | theres namespaces |
| 22:41.13 | digmouse | question: anyone done the wrathgate questline? |
| 22:41.14 | whatsinthename | so i create a new namespace in the module? sorry a little new to AceDB/Modules having trouble grasping the concept |
| 22:42.49 | Dashkal | digmouse: I have, but if it's about the cinematic I don't know anything yet |
| 22:43.08 | digmouse | Dashkal: not for the cinematic, for the quests |
| 22:43.22 | Dashkal | digmouse: unless something was changed, I've completed everything |
| 22:43.41 | digmouse | I've done the 2 questlines in Wintergarde and cant get Into Hostile Territory |
| 22:43.52 | digmouse | I did that on lvl 80 premade |
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| 22:45.12 | Dashkal | ponders |
| 22:45.43 | digmouse | isnt it finishing Rescue from Town Square and The Demo-Gnome chains will do? |
| 22:46.10 | Dashkal | You may also have to do frostmourne cavern (starts with the seer in the tower) |
| 22:46.29 | digmouse | in wintergarde keep? |
| 22:46.46 | Dashkal | erm, wait, no, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure I hadn't done that chain yet when I got into enemty territory. But yes, he's in the keep |
| 22:47.42 | digmouse | blizzplanet post http://blizzplanet.com/content/910 says doing Rescue from Town Square and The Demo-Gnome is ok |
| 22:47.46 | Dashkal | the greater keep, not the barracks building. |
| 22:48.00 | Dashkal | apparently not if you can't get the quest :p |
| 22:48.13 | Dashkal | Or there's a quest bug going on. |
| 22:48.33 | Dashkal | I did that zone about a month back so I can't remember it very well :( |
| 22:48.39 | Mazohyst | Anyone know how I can go about fixing this error. I get it whenever I loot something. [2008/09/25 15:45:34-539-x75]: Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2675: Usage: GameTooltip:IsOwned(frame): |
| 22:48.40 | Mazohyst | Interface\FrameXML\UIParent.lua:2675: in function `CursorOnUpdate': |
| 22:48.40 | Mazohyst | XLoot-0.9.73744\XLoot.lua:653: in function <Interface\AddOns\XLoot\XLoot.lua:653> |
| 22:48.49 | digmouse | I saw premade people finishing the full one and get the achievements |
| 22:49.08 | digmouse | so there should not be a quest bug |
| 22:49.44 | Adys | Could someone explain me how aguf does it better than I do? =/ http://pastebin.com/da84ce6c - http://i34.tinypic.com/wrhrgj.jpg |
| 22:49.53 | Adys | aguf gets the model fine |
| 22:50.33 | Dashkal | are you certain you've actually completed both those chains? I'm gonna assume you've destroyed the mine by blowing the entrances and that you've killed the necrolord |
| 22:50.54 | digmouse | Dashkal: pretty sure |
| 22:51.16 | Dashkal | Cause at this point about all I can suggest is running back to the crypt and checking for missed quests :S |
| 22:51.46 | digmouse | actually I saw a quest in the crypt... |
| 22:52.03 | digmouse | but I dont know whether it's related |
| 22:52.58 | Dashkal | The side-quests may be required for the next major chain |
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| 22:53.15 | Dashkal | It's not a direct link (obviously) so it's not immediately obvious what the reqs are |
| 22:53.41 | digmouse | I'll see, thanks for the advice :D |
| 22:54.18 | Dashkal | Good luck. The chain is lots of fun |
| 22:54.38 | digmouse | lookin forward to the epic |
| 22:54.39 | Dashkal | Though it left me wishing I could commit high treason :p |
| 22:55.07 | digmouse | and I love the new model they gave to Sylvannas! |
| 22:55.14 | Dashkal | Agreed |
| 22:55.31 | digmouse | wish they do this to all Night Elves! |
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| 22:58.01 | Dashkal | very much agreed. the player models need upgrades |
| 22:58.58 | KriLL3 | Feral forms need model updates |
| 22:59.17 | Dashkal | KriLL3: On the todo list for after 3.0 |
| 22:59.25 | KriLL3 | and preferably showing your chest armor, or something else that indicates your gear level |
| 22:59.35 | digmouse | human male and female, NE female, tauren druid feral, wish they can be tuned |
| 22:59.37 | KriLL3 | looking the same as a naked level 10 isn't fun |
| 22:59.50 | Dashkal | I wouldn't expect animal models showing equipment before another expansion. That's a _huge_ undertaking |
| 23:00.03 | Dashkal | The equipment skins are designed for humanoid bodies |
| 23:00.19 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: I just wish they made the minor glyphs texture stuff integrated into the barbershop |
| 23:00.56 | KriLL3 | Dashkal: I know, but there should be some way to wrap the current textures so it doesn't look horrible, and future feral chests/staffs could have their own models |
| 23:01.08 | Dashkal | "easy"... |
| 23:01.26 | KriLL3 | while current gear and crappy gear doesn't get their own model, just a single plain one with the armor's texture wrapped around it |
| 23:01.34 | Dashkal | Good luck with that. My brain hurts the moment I begin to try to think of the math involved to distort those skins in a way that doesn't look distorted |
| 23:02.06 | KriLL3 | you don't need all of it, just show the main colors in a harness like piece to identify your item level |
| 23:03.08 | Dashkal | Um, I think you're underestimating the amount of work that would take. Given some random texture, what are the "main" colors? |
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| 23:23.02 | Primer | I want a Brewfest kodo |
| 23:23.09 | NivFreak | same |
| 23:23.10 | NivFreak | =/ |
| 23:23.16 | Primer | Alliance riding a kodo is cool |
| 23:23.23 | Primer | I got the ram last night |
| 23:23.23 | NivFreak | no |
| 23:24.50 | NeoTron | I have a kodo |
| 23:24.51 | NeoTron | it's win |
| 23:24.55 | Stanzilla | same |
| 23:24.58 | NeoTron | human lock @ kodo |
| 23:25.02 | Stanzilla | but it's teh tiny as a human |
| 23:25.24 | NeoTron | it runs like it's on steroids |
| 23:25.27 | NeoTron | the feet move so fst |
| 23:25.28 | NeoTron | fast |
| 23:25.56 | Stanzilla | yeah^^ |
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| 23:34.25 | Gnarfoz | paladin + kodo = insane feet speed :> |
| 23:34.58 | Zyndrome | http://www.moviecritic.com.au/images/star-wars-galaxy-map1.jpg |
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