IRC log for #wowace on 20080724

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`00:01.36`	`*** join/#wowace Dark_Elf (n=Dark_Elf@ip215.net253.mw.net)`
`00:01.46`	`CIA-45`	`03StingerSoft * r79019 10Cartographer_QuestObjectives/ (Cartographer_QuestObjectives.toc Locale-ruRU.lua):`
`00:01.46`	`CIA-45`	`Cartographer_QuestObjectives:`
`00:01.46`	`CIA-45`	`- added ruRU translation`
`00:01.55`	`Antiarc`	`You all are quiet and boring today.`
`00:01.58`	`Antiarc`	`Dance! Entertain me!`
`00:02.51`	Funkeh`	`Antiarc, go code something`
`00:02.55`	`CodySt`	`Anyone interested in buying a 7 out of 8 T6 lock, Sunwell gear, 8.7k gold, Cenarion War Hyppogryph, Bear Mount, and 2 TCG Loot Card items (Personalized Weather Machine and Paper Airplane Creator) PM ME for more details!`
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`00:03.11`	Funkeh`	`I'm sure you have like 5 million tickets by now`
`00:03.32`	`Antiarc`	`Unfortunately, I can't redeem them for prizes :(`
`00:04.36`	`Xinhuan`	`slaps Antiarc away with a large trout`
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`00:08.35`	`Stanzilla`	`licks Antiarc`
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`00:09.08`	`CIA-45`	`03sylvanaar * r79020 10Prat/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Prat: Some prep work, removed most of the util library, and NOP'ed the debug calls. Created Prat_Debug for later use.`
`00:13.07`	`Xinhuan`	`wtb addon ideas for the dragon kite competition at wowinterface ;p`
`00:13.49`	`durcyn`	`Antiarc: speaking of MobSpells, it's recording boss SPELL_AURA_BROKEN targets as casts by bosses, i.e. stealth/invisibility`
`00:14.03`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, I noticed that.`
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`00:15.10`	`Antiarc`	`Xinhuan: Auto-benny hill theme any time more than 50% of your party is dead`
`00:15.49`	`Xinhuan`	`lol there's already an addon that yells "WHAT THE FUCK" when someone dies, and "That's a 50 DKP MINUS" on a detected raid/party wipe`
`00:16.06`	`CIA-45`	`03antiarc 07WotLK * r79021 10MobSpells/MobSpells.lua: MobSpells: Return immediately if event is SPELL_AURA_BROKEN`
`00:17.07`	`NivFreak`	`ok, here's a stupid question, but I need to ask it`
`00:17.14`	`Stanzilla`	`42!`
`00:17.18`	`Xinhuan`	`42!`
`00:17.26`	`NivFreak`	`for resist fights, such as mother that I'm asking 1000 questions on lately`
`00:17.36`	`NivFreak`	`is it really only 4 levels of resist options?`
`00:17.40`	`Antiarc`	`yes`
`00:17.41`	`NivFreak`	`0 / 25 / 50 / 75`
`00:17.46`	`Antiarc`	`Well`
`00:17.47`	`Antiarc`	`5 levels`
`00:17.47`	`NivFreak`	`er, 5`
`00:17.47`	`Xinhuan`	`5`
`00:17.49`	`NivFreak`	`and 100`
`00:17.51`	`Antiarc`	`0 / 20 / 50/ 70/ 100`
`00:17.51`	`Xinhuan`	`there's 100 too`
`00:17.55`	`NivFreak`	`ok`
`00:17.56`	`NivFreak`	`so`
`00:18.01`	`NivFreak`	`I've seen a few people imply`
`00:18.02`	`Antiarc`	`err, 25/75`
`00:18.11`	`NivFreak`	`that being a 364 vs 365 resistance is bad`
`00:18.13`	`Xinhuan`	`its just a chance that a random roll will fall into one of the 5 categories of 0/25/50/75/100`
`00:18.17`	`NivFreak`	`as if you lose one of those options`
`00:18.24`	`Xinhuan`	`the chance is determined on some exponential curve`
`00:18.27`	`NivFreak`	`which makes very little sense to me`
`00:18.28`	`Xinhuan`	`its not a step ladder as implied`
`00:18.41`	`Aiiane`	`resist AMOUNT = fixed %'s`
`00:18.41`	`NivFreak`	`alright`
`00:18.46`	`Xinhuan`	`so 365 is just "slightly" better than 364`
`00:18.48`	`Aiiane`	`resist CHANCE = scales smoothly`
`00:18.51`	`Xinhuan`	`not "one step better"`
`00:18.53`	`NivFreak`	`Xinhuan: that's what I had always thought`
`00:19.04`	`NivFreak`	`but there are several EJ posts by a random individual`
`00:19.16`	`NivFreak`	`that more or less imply you lose 25% resistance if you don't get that last point`
`00:19.25`	`Xinhuan`	`unless he goes out to test it over 10000 resists`
`00:19.30`	`NivFreak`	`which is wrong as far as I've ever known, but I've been mistaken before :)`
`00:19.32`	`Xinhuan`	`its not really a valid claim`
`00:19.43`	VonhintenHOME`	`I would love to see that be true, so I can call blizzard developers big fat hacks`
`00:19.46`	`NivFreak`	`that's fair enough, as long as I'm not the idiot, that's fine`
`00:20.08`	`NivFreak`	`I thought it was possible that I had just missed some really obvious resist mechanic`
`00:20.35`	`Xinhuan`	`there isn't anything special, other than some spells are unresistable, and binary spells are either all-or-nothing`
`00:20.42`	`NivFreak`	`so interesting`
`00:20.55`	`NivFreak`	`that seems like it would make magic absorption REALLY nice for mages on mother`
`00:21.03`	`NivFreak`	`5% mana every time your dice hit 100% resist?`
`00:21.04`	`NivFreak`	`win!`
`00:21.08`	`Xinhuan`	`yep`
`00:21.28`	`Xinhuan`	`but talents which only work in 2 fights in the whole game is pretty dumb`
`00:21.40`	`NivFreak`	`well`
`00:21.47`	`NivFreak`	`I picked up a new mage`
`00:21.50`	`NivFreak`	`that was arc/frost`
`00:21.57`	`NivFreak`	`he destroyed our fire mages, with less gear`
`00:22.09`	`NivFreak`	`(no one has more than 2/8 t6 yet)`
`00:22.16`	`NivFreak`	`so they all respec'd arc/frost`
`00:22.19`	`Xinhuan`	`yes, but that is probably also the only fight he will win ;p`
`00:22.19`	`NivFreak`	`and saw a huge boost`
`00:22.30`	`NivFreak`	`nope, he wins in every fight`
`00:22.36`	`NivFreak`	`or rather, did before they respec'd`
`00:22.43`	`Xinhuan`	`then i have to question the ability of the players involved hehe`
`00:22.52`	`NivFreak`	`126 hit is all that's required for 40/0/21 builds`
`00:23.05`	`NivFreak`	`vs the 164`
`00:23.11`	`Xinhuan`	`wrong, its 76 hit`
`00:23.12`	`NivFreak`	`so you get some more item points to move around`
`00:23.17`	`NivFreak`	`Xinhuan: not for frostbolt`
`00:23.27`	`Xinhuan`	`frostbolt is still 164`
`00:23.29`	`NivFreak`	`nope`
`00:23.31`	`NivFreak`	`it's bugged`
`00:23.35`	`NivFreak`	`it gets an extra 3%`
`00:23.38`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't consider bugs`
`00:23.45`	`NivFreak`	`it has been bugged for a LONG time`
`00:23.56`	`NivFreak`	`anyway`
`00:24.01`	`Xinhuan`	`bug or not, i still get double frostbolt resists everyday ;p`
`00:24.08`	`NivFreak`	`frostbolt is binary`
`00:24.08`	`NivFreak`	`:P`
`00:24.08`	`Xinhuan`	`and i have 178 hit or something dumb`
`00:24.15`	`NivFreak`	`and you always have a 1% chance`
`00:24.17`	`NivFreak`	`rng ftw`
`00:24.30`	`NivFreak`	`ANYWAY`
`00:24.33`	`NivFreak`	`so with 40/0/21`
`00:24.43`	`NivFreak`	`there's no point in capping your arcane hit talent`
`00:24.47`	`NivFreak`	`if you have excess hit`
`00:24.50`	`NivFreak`	`so you can put in MA`
`00:24.53`	`Xinhuan`	`are they all wearing T5?`
`00:24.57`	`NivFreak`	`2/5 t5`
`00:25.13`	`NivFreak`	`plus t6 bits / za gear / badge gear`
`00:25.19`	`Xinhuan`	`2/5 T5 arcane mage > 2/8 T6 fire mage basically`
`00:25.27`	`NivFreak`	`that's what I said`
`00:25.28`	`Xinhuan`	`but the moment you get 4/8 T6, you should go fire`
`00:25.29`	`NivFreak`	`WAY above`
`00:25.34`	`NivFreak`	`when you questioned my mages abilities`
`00:25.55`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah, i just read again the "(no one has more than 2/8 t6 yet)"`
`00:26.01`	`NivFreak`	`so yea`
`00:26.03`	`NivFreak`	`for our mages`
`00:26.09`	`NivFreak`	`they have MA talents`
`00:26.11`	`NivFreak`	`or at least, they can`
`00:26.27`	`Xinhuan`	`however, i still don't recommend speccing arc/frost because the gear influence is so different`
`00:26.40`	`Xinhuan`	`that when you finally make the switch to fire spec, you'll be very lacking in spellhit`
`00:26.55`	`Xinhuan`	`and you also have to regem everything`
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`00:27.04`	`NivFreak`	`one has 5/5, one has 2/5, one has 0/5`
`00:27.04`	`NivFreak`	`lol`
`00:27.17`	`NivFreak`	`Xinhuan: none of my fire mages had to gem for hit :P`
`00:27.34`	`Xinhuan`	`none of the T5 pieces have spellhit except for legs i think`
`00:27.41`	`NivFreak`	`all they ended up doing was trading hit for haste when they went arc/frost`
`00:27.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Black amputee toilet hardware handjob porn.`
`00:27.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`- there really is everything on the internet`
`00:27.51`	`NivFreak`	`but the new mage had already gemmed crit`
`00:27.55`	`Xinhuan`	`they should have traded hit for Int, not haste`
`00:27.58`	`NivFreak`	`Xinhuan: we're not all t5`
`00:28.12`	`NivFreak`	`we have hyjal on farm, and 6/9 bt`
`00:28.13`	`NivFreak`	`:P`
`00:28.24`	`Xinhuan`	`int increases max mana, damage and consequently increases damage output exponentially`
`00:28.51`	`Xinhuan`	`haste doesn't do that much for an arcane mage because damage output is dependant on mana pool, and getting haste only makes you output that damage faster, and does nothing to increase mana pool`
`00:29.14`	`Xinhuan`	`objective is to reach 0 mana just as boss dies as arcane`
`00:30.06`	`NivFreak`	`yes, I'm aware of the theorycraft`
`00:30.13`	`Xinhuan`	`haste increases damage for fire/frost specs because their mana pool potential isn't fully tapped`
`00:30.35`	`NivFreak`	`but here's the thing`
`00:30.38`	`NivFreak`	`they don't need the hit`
`00:30.47`	`NivFreak`	`they don't have gear to improve int/crit`
`00:30.51`	`Xinhuan`	`gem for int`
`00:31.00`	`NivFreak`	`ummm`
`00:31.04`	`NivFreak`	`they aren't gemmed for hit :P`
`00:31.12`	`NivFreak`	`so they are going to trade dmg for int? no :P`
`00:31.18`	`Xinhuan`	`i mean, if they have any gems that are haste, they should trade it for int`
`00:31.23`	`NivFreak`	`they have no haste gems`
`00:31.30`	`NivFreak`	`they sawed gear with +hit out for gear with +haste`
`00:31.32`	`Xinhuan`	`[7/24 08:27:27] <NivFreak> all they ended up doing was trading hit for haste when they went arc/frost`
`00:31.45`	`NivFreak`	`and as I said, none of my mages had to gem for hit`
`00:31.48`	`NivFreak`	`it's gear item points`
`00:31.49`	`NivFreak`	`not gems`
`00:32.01`	`NivFreak`	`they are gemmed for spell dmg`
`00:32.14`	`Xinhuan`	`then what they are doing is... gearing up for the eventual fire spec ;p`
`00:32.24`	`NivFreak`	`....`
`00:32.24`	`Xinhuan`	`because if they wanted to stay arcane, they wouldn't have picked up haste gear`
`00:32.33`	`NivFreak`	`they WERE fire`
`00:32.39`	`NivFreak`	`they WILL GO BACK fire`
`00:32.51`	`NivFreak`	`they DO NOT HAVE THE GEAR TO MAKE FIRE BETTER atm`
`00:33.01`	`NivFreak`	`why are you arguing with me? :P`
`00:33.06`	`Xinhuan`	`dunno`
`00:33.08`	`NivFreak`	`my point was that`
`00:33.19`	`NivFreak`	`MA is going to rock for them`
`00:33.29`	`NivFreak`	`and they can put points into it because they don't need 5/5 hit talents`
`00:33.33`	`NivFreak`	`or imp CS`
`00:34.21`	`NivFreak`	`and btw, with JoW+spriest`
`00:34.36`	`NivFreak`	`they don't have any issues supporting a 2xAB+2xFB rotation`
`00:34.42`	`NivFreak`	`and can usually go beyond that`
`00:34.49`	`Xinhuan`	`~_~`
`00:34.49`	`purl`	`STOP DOING THAT!`
`00:35.00`	`Xinhuan`	`the best damage they can do doesn't involve a rotation`
`00:35.13`	`NivFreak`	`yes`
`00:35.16`	`NivFreak`	`it's pure AB spam`
`00:35.23`	`NivFreak`	`the rotation is to extend mana :P`
`00:36.05`	`NivFreak`	`basically, my mages boosted thier damage by as much as 30% on a lot of fights`
`00:36.07`	`NivFreak`	`with this change`
`00:37.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wtf is this 'conformist' bullshit? I feel like I've missed something vital :`
`00:37.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`:p`
`00:37.40`	`NivFreak`	`1700dps on teron from one of previously fire mages was a nice improvement`
`00:37.56`	`ashb`	`7/24 01:37:40.278 ** Loading table of contents Interface\AddOns\Cartographer_ChannelPositions\Cartographer_ChannelPositions.toc`
`00:37.59`	`ashb`	`7/24 01:37:40.278 (null)`
`00:38.03`	`ashb`	`what does that mean i've done?`
`00:39.34`	Funkeh`	`it means you hacked the game`
`00:39.40`	Funkeh`	`and created a mohawk class`
`00:40.15`	`Kuosi`	`maybe mr t is good with computers`
`00:40.57`	`Xinhuan`	`i think it means that file is missing, and you deleted the addon without restarting wow ;p`
`00:41.41`	`Xinhuan`	`whoa someone uploaded a sodoku mod on ROFL download category, i'm tempted to try it`
`00:41.52`	`ashb`	`its there - i'm (trying to) write it :p`
`00:42.07`	`*** join/#wowace Paene (n=Jim@54-152.candlewood.dynip.msu.edu)`
`00:42.11`	`Xinhuan`	`could be your toc file is incorrect in format or something`
`00:42.20`	`Xinhuan`	`pastey contents`
`00:42.21`	`ashb`	`i think its some error in the top level of hte .lua file`
`00:42.29`	`Paene`	`wow Curse is faster at the beta key thing than WoWI`
`00:43.12`	`ashb`	`what beta thing?`
`00:43.21`	`ashb`	`just screens and stuff?`
`00:43.31`	`Xinhuan`	`http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/shop/`
`00:43.31`	`Shirik`	`Paene, what is that supposed to mean?`
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`00:44.00`	`Xinhuan`	`i think he means curse mailed blizz with a list of authors faster`
`00:44.17`	`Shirik`	`That means nothing; Blizzard will give out keys when they feel like it, not when they receive the list`
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`00:47.28`	Funkeh`	`Shirik, it means mr t has failed you`
`00:49.45`	`Paene`	`Shirik: Nothing against WoWI, just noticed I got an e-mail from Curse the same day I entered their author giveaway, whereas WoWI hasn't responded yet and I signed up several days ago.`
`00:50.13`	`Shirik`	`WoWI won't respond to you`
`00:50.25`	`Shirik`	`there's no reason for us to`
`00:50.32`	`Paene`	`I meant they have requested the additional info to pass to Blizz`
`00:50.39`	`Shirik`	`We need no additional information`
`00:50.43`	`Xinhuan`	`out of curiosity, what's the ticket number at wowi up to now for author beta keys?`
`00:50.47`	`Shirik`	`We have everything we need to send to Blizzard, we won't contact you period`
`00:50.56`	`Paene`	`ah ok`
`00:50.59`	`Shirik`	`Xinhuan: Simply to isolate where you are in the database if you need to contact an admin about something`
`00:51.03`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`00:51.05`	`Shirik`	`misread`
`00:51.21`	`Shirik`	`Good question :) I don't have access to that`
`00:51.25`	`ashb`	`ah - it was me asking for an libstub that didn't exist`
`00:51.46`	`Shirik`	`Xinhuan: I can tell you we've banned about 35 people that TRIED to get a key :D`
`00:51.52`	`Xinhuan`	`cairenn mentioned that 700+ keys was given away for tbc lol`
`00:52.05`	`Xinhuan`	`so i'm wondering if wotlk will be larger in number`
`00:52.20`	`JoshBorke`	`i hope smaller`
`00:52.29`	`JoshBorke`	`i got a TBC key and did 0 programming with it`
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`00:53.11`	`Xinhuan`	`that's probably because, for the most part, tbc itself and patch 2.0 was using the same engine?`
`00:53.19`	`Xinhuan`	`so there wasn't much to update`
`00:54.13`	`Xinhuan`	`the major stuff was mostly done on ptr 2.0`
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`00:55.20`	`Kuosi`	`Shirik: only 35?`
`00:55.29`	`Shirik`	`considering I usually ban about 1 a month`
`00:55.32`	`Shirik`	`that's a lot`
`00:55.37`	`Kuosi`	`seems like every 2nd addon is more or less questionable`
`00:55.44`	`Kuosi`	`like renamed old one`
`00:55.48`	`*** join/#wowace Orphis (n=orphis@pra13-1-82-66-188-82.fbx.proxad.net)`
`00:55.58`	`binder`	`anyone know of a mod to make the combat like it used to be?`
`00:56.01`	`Shirik`	`well we review everything, but we don't know everything so`
`00:56.04`	`binder`	`this new thing sucks`
`00:56.13`	`Shirik`	`if you do happen to see one that looks like a renamed old one, I'll be more than happy to analyze it in more detail`
`00:56.19`	`Shirik`	`but I don't have every addon that's ever existed memorized`
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`00:56.27`	`Xinhuan`	`what have you banned that was the "most obvious" attempt to get a beta key?`
`00:56.47`	`Shirik`	`well, the "most obvious" are the ones where people upload addons without even changing the Author field in the TOC file`
`00:57.26`	`Xinhuan`	`are fake addons just a copy of popular addons or obscure ones?`
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`00:57.42`	`Shirik`	`copy of popular ones usually, a few obscure ones`
`00:57.49`	`Shirik`	`My personal favorite so far has been this one:`
`00:57.53`	`Xinhuan`	`why are people so bad haha`
`00:57.57`	`Shirik`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/29debd6ef92ca3c4bea5005ee9c4c6b6.jpg`
`00:58.18`	`JoshBorke`	`Shirik: lol`
`00:58.26`	`Xinhuan`	`HAHA`
`00:58.49`	`*** join/#wowace iNs\|Renew (n=mronlin@adsl273.cnetco.com)`
`00:58.57`	`sedai\|`	`ahahhaha!`
`00:59.04`	`Xinhuan`	`hey he put in the effort to search-replace!`
`00:59.05`	`sedai\|`	`I found my blizzcon gift card`
`00:59.17`	`sedai\|`	`it was in the last box`
`00:59.21`	`sedai\|`	`WSGklwa`
`00:59.25`	`JoshBorke`	`sedai\|: grats :-)`
`00:59.39`	`JoshBorke`	`Xinhuan: s/FunkyLetters/TextEntities/g`
`00:59.45`	`JoshBorke`	`loook! i did too!`
`01:00.32`	`Shirik`	`for the record, TextEntities was the legit one`
`01:00.41`	`JoshBorke`	`meh, whatever`
`01:00.44`	`Shirik`	`I just had the files backwards when I stuck them in :)`
`01:00.58`	`Xinhuan`	`what does that addon do btw?`
`01:01.18`	`Shirik`	`I didn't bother to look actually, heh`
`01:03.16`	`Kuosi`	`guess it's kinda pain evaluating every addon`
`01:03.22`	`Shirik`	`I find it fun :P`
`01:03.28`	`Kuosi`	`can be rather time consuming`
`01:03.29`	`Shirik`	`But I have a cruel mind`
`01:03.33`	`Shirik`	`it is`
`01:04.05`	`Kuosi`	`first part = copypaste desc to google? :o`
`01:05.10`	`Xinhuan`	`i would think fake addon uploaders wuld rewrite the desc`
`01:05.16`	`Legorol`	`I'd love some help troubleshooting the following BigWigs problem I'm having (just updated via WAU):`
`01:05.20`	`Xinhuan`	`its probably easier to google the actual text of the lua code`
`01:05.54`	`Legorol`	`On one of my chars, when I turn on the "show anchors" options for the bars so I can reposition them, the "Test" buttons don't appear on the little anchor windows.`
`01:05.59`	`Legorol`	`I have disabled all other AddOns.`
`01:06.09`	`Legorol`	`It works fine on my other char that has BigWigs enabled.`
`01:06.57`	`Legorol`	`I also suspect that this issue may be related to why I didn't see any BigWigs timers in today's raid with the affected character.`
`01:07.11`	`Legorol`	`Anyone has ever encountered something like this?`
`01:07.22`	`Xinhuan`	`try deleting (or copying over) the layout-cache.txt file from your working char to the non-working one`
`01:07.28`	`Xinhuan`	`(do it when wow isn't running)`
`01:07.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`gfahhh UI scaling sucks!!!`
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`01:07.58`	ag`	`DON'T DO IT`
`01:08.13`	`Xinhuan`	`but i suspect that wouldn't work ;p`
`01:08.29`	ag`	`scale each of your frames individually, you can thank me later`
`01:08.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`mh?`
`01:08.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`I have just one frame`
`01:09.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`and I want it to cover the same relative amont of screen estate regardless of resolution or aspect ratio`
`01:09.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`*amount`
`01:09.12`	ag`	`enjoy your holidays with summer dance mania`
`01:09.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`but somehow, it comes out squished as soon as the aspect ratio is not the same anymore :<`
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`01:12.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`gah cry`
`01:14.27`	`Legorol`	`Xinhuan: I haven't tried what you suggested (yet). But I did look at the code in BW that creates the frame and the button.`
`01:14.41`	`Legorol`	`It's all done in Lua and is dynamically created, so it wouldn't be saved in layout-cache.`
`01:14.57`	`Xinhuan`	`reset the position of the bars then`
`01:15.33`	`Legorol`	`What I don't understand is why the button is failing to show up, when no other addons are enabled, and it's created dynamically.`
`01:16.43`	`ashb`	`pos in saved vars?`
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`01:17.08`	`Legorol`	`ashb: nope`
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`01:18.01`	`Legorol`	`I think I found the offending code line:`
`01:18.01`	`Legorol`	`if not testModule then testbutton:Hide() end`
`01:18.15`	`Legorol`	`the weird thing is... the test module is present and accounted for, same as on the other character`
`01:22.33`	`kadrahil`	`is there an addon that shows you things like total healer mana in raids?`
`01:22.39`	`kadrahil`	`i saw something like that once but i don't know what it's called`
`01:22.40`	`kadrahil`	`xraidstatus?`
`01:23.31`	`ulic`	`I use RABuffs on WoWI`
`01:23.44`	`ulic`	`there is also Conditioner on wowace`
`01:23.49`	`ulic`	`among others`
`01:23.50`	`Xuerian`	`kadrahil: XRS is a nice configurable way of doing it yes`
`01:26.13`	`Shadowed`	`Quick, anyone know of any buff mods like Elk thats not PitBull, Elk, Satrina or CT?`
`01:26.31`	`ashb`	`buffalo`
`01:26.32`	`Shirik`	`ShirikBuffz`
`01:26.38`	`ashb`	`but i don't know what elk does :)`
`01:26.55`	`Shadowed`	`Turns debuff/buffs on the player into bars instead of icons`
`01:27.03`	`ashb`	`ah`
`01:27.20`	`Shirik`	`ShirikBuffz consists of one line, WorldFrame:Hide(). It's very clean, doesn't take up any extra space and cleans your UI so it's not cluttered`
`01:27.20`	`Xuerian`	`ClassSomething?`
`01:27.27`	`ashb`	`Classtimers?`
`01:27.30`	`Xuerian`	`ClassBuffs...class..bars.... yeah that`
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`01:29.44`	`Stanzilla`	`Shadowed: Bollo`
`01:29.51`	`Stanzilla`	`on wowi`
`01:34.31`	`CIA-45`	`03StingerSoft * r79022 10Cartographer_QuestInfo/ (Cartographer_QuestInfo.toc Locale/Locale-ruRU.lua):`
`01:34.31`	`CIA-45`	`Cartographer_QuestInfo:`
`01:34.31`	`CIA-45`	`- added ruRU translation (not npc names)`
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`01:37.45`	`CIA-45`	`03StingerSoft * r79023 10Cartographer_Quests/ (Cartographer_Quests.toc addon.lua): Cartographer_Quests: added ruRU translation`
`01:40.52`	`Legorol`	`What's the best way to submit a BigWigs bug?`
`01:41.09`	`Stanzilla`	ping Funkeh` imo
`01:41.19`	`Shefki`	Yeah tell Funkeh` that he made a mistake.
`01:41.55`	`Stanzilla`	`he will tell you that it's unpossible but fix it anyway`
`01:41.57`	`Chompers`	`no don't, it's a trap`
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`01:43.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm amazed, and very happy, quartz works on WotLK :)`
`01:43.48`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Pitbull throws hundreds of aura problems, but is otherwise okay, from what I can tell`
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`01:44.43`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`ckknight, so I tried Pitbull on WotLK - I only get aura errors :)`
`01:45.08`	`ckknight`	`oh, okay then`
`01:45.10`	`ckknight`	`I hadn't tried it there yet`
`01:45.12`	`ckknight`	`tried my other mods, but not PitBull`
`01:45.15`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`CowTip works, Prat has time problems so had to disable`
`01:45.16`	`ckknight`	`I still need a key of my own`
`01:45.54`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Hope it won't be too long`
`01:46.16`	`ckknight`	`same`
`01:46.17`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm getting a very odd "red addon" problem though - was mentioning it on #wowuidev. Almost 90% of my libs and addons come up red on the addons list.`
`01:46.26`	`ckknight`	`I had been leeching off someone else's account`
`01:46.58`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Anyone know why addons might show red in the addons list? Do dependency problems, ticked load out of date`
`01:47.16`	`ckknight`	`I think it's cause they're LoD`
`01:47.22`	`Chompers`	`ckknight`
`01:47.26`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`ckknight, from trying out my extensive collection - it looks like just a few tweaks will sort most stuff`
`01:47.28`	`Chompers`	`how have you not been given a key yet`
`01:47.34`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Ah, LoD I think I can understand`
`01:47.40`	`ckknight`	`Kirkburn\|afk: well, I fixed Cart and Cart3 mostly`
`01:47.41`	`Chompers`	`that's so stupid :<`
`01:47.46`	`ckknight`	`and Rock and Ace2`
`01:48.00`	`ckknight`	`Chompers: shrug I'll get it in the first pass from curse's sendoff`
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`01:48.02`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You did? I tried Cart3, errored on for I think a lack of lib`
`01:48.13`	`ckknight`	`Kirkburn\|afk: most recent version should work...`
`01:48.27`	`ckknight`	`not release, in the alphas`
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`01:49.28`	`Antiarc`	`Kirkburn\|afk: Chatter works on beta :)`
`01:50.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`ckknight, ah, I've just been using WAU`
`01:50.26`	`ckknight`	`cart3's not in WAU`
`01:50.34`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oh`
`01:50.36`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Er`
`01:50.39`	`Legorol`	Funkeh`: ping
`01:50.41`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I knew that >_<`
`01:50.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`~seen Threewater`
`01:50.51`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'threewater', Gnarfoz`
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`01:51.45`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`ckknight, where is it these days?`
`01:51.54`	`ckknight`	`curseforge`
`01:52.03`	`ckknight`	`also note that Cartographer2 â Cartographer3`
`01:52.06`	`ckknight`	`2 is on wowace`
`01:52.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yeah I recall`
`01:53.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Antiarc, sorry,w sn't ignoring you - I'm looking it up now :)`
`01:53.28`	`Antiarc`	`Lemme get you a link`
`01:53.39`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/Chatter-78789-wotlk.zip`
`01:53.43`	`Antiarc`	`though I'm fixing a bug`
`01:54.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`How much of prat does it replicate?`
`01:54.40`	`Antiarc`	`Most all of it`
`01:54.46`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Awesome`
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`01:57.07`	`CIA-45`	`03antiarc 07WotLK * r79024 10Chatter/Chatter.lua: Chatter: Fix for the no-right-click issue.`
`01:57.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`^^`
`01:57.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm off to bed, can't wait to try out new stuff over the weekend`
`01:57.59`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Night all`
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`02:18.12`	`CIA-45`	`03hshh * r79025 10BigWigs/Plugins/RaidWarn.lua: BigWigs: In a 5-man group, everyone can use the raid warning channel.`
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`02:20.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf`
`02:21.46`	`Zyndrome`	`phew, that took a while ... kited "Dirty" Larry 2 laps around Shattrath + the other guys with him ... 10% left and someone finally stepped in and helped :P`
`02:22.13`	`Neya`	`hah`
`02:25.20`	`NivFreak`	`man`
`02:25.24`	`NivFreak`	`I have such bad RNG`
`02:25.33`	`CIA-45`	`03StingerSoft * r79026 10Babble-2.2/ (3 files in 3 dirs):`
`02:25.33`	`CIA-45`	`Babble-2.2:`
`02:25.33`	`CIA-45`	`- added ruRU translations (not fully)`
`02:25.37`	`NivFreak`	`20 pots, 1 proc`
`02:25.41`	`NivFreak`	`twice`
`02:27.20`	`CIA-45`	`03hshh * r79027 10Cartographer/Cartographer_GuildPositions/GuildPositions.lua: Cartographer: fix Cartographer_GuildPositions for non-english client.`
`02:27.27`	`Dark_Elf`	`argh not again lol`
`02:29.34`	`Arrowmaster`	Funkeh`: ping
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`02:32.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`[Ammo]: ping`
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`02:36.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what day is it?`
`02:37.10`	`Antiarc`	`DUDE`
`02:37.20`	`Antiarc`	`I didn't even know there was a Mini Tyrael in game`
`02:37.41`	`clad\|sleep`	`lol`
`02:37.42`	`clad\|sleep`	`i have one`
`02:37.43`	`clad\|sleep`	`want it?`
`02:37.51`	`Antiarc`	`yesssss.`
`02:37.55`	`Antiarc`	`Where does it come from?`
`02:37.56`	`jaxdahl`	`sell it, cladhaire`
`02:37.57`	`clad\|sleep`	`gief secks pls.`
`02:37.59`	`jaxdahl`	`WWI, Antiarc`
`02:38.00`	`clad\|sleep`	`WWI 2008`
`02:38.02`	`Antiarc`	`Ohhhh.`
`02:38.09`	`jaxdahl`	`it's worth quite a bit`
`02:38.13`	`Antiarc`	`My wife won't let me gief secks`
`02:38.16`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r79028 10kgPanels/LICENSE.txt: kgPanels: added license file`
`02:38.20`	`Antiarc`	`A guildmate has one`
`02:38.22`	`Antiarc`	`It's awesome.`
`02:38.28`	`ulic`	`Antiarc: I posted a patch for LibBars on the forums, probably not as complete as it could be, only for barPrototype, no List also, maybe should be, anyways it's there.`
`02:38.37`	`Antiarc`	`I'll take a peek at it`
`02:38.37`	`clad\|sleep`	`jaxdahl: I've considered it`
`02:38.43`	`clad\|sleep`	`jaxdahl: just holding out for right now until my life calms down`
`02:38.47`	`clad\|sleep`	`it won't go down in price :P`
`02:38.49`	`ulic`	`and also SetFill does work at the bar level, but not the group level, haven't figured out why.`
`02:40.21`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r79029 10kgPanelsConfig/ (LICENSE.txt kgPanelsConfig.toc): kgPanelsConfig: added license`
`02:41.24`	`CIA-45`	`03kagaro * r79030 10kgPanels/LICENSE.txt: kgPanels: updated license file author cut + paster ftl`
`02:43.06`	`fewyn`	`Hmmm`
`02:43.18`	`fewyn`	`Anyone know any bug tracking software for non-wow stuff?`
`02:43.30`	`fewyn`	`Something perferably I can host myself?`
`02:43.30`	`Antiarc`	`Trac is popular`
`02:43.32`	`Antiarc`	`As is Lighthouse`
`02:43.38`	`Antiarc`	`Lighthouse isn't self-hosted though`
`02:43.39`	`fewyn`	`I hate Trac personally`
`02:43.43`	`kagaro`	`Trac always seems soo slow`
`02:43.58`	`fewyn`	`Anything else anyone can think of?`
`02:44.03`	`kagaro`	`you could self host bugzilla if you wanted to`
`02:44.18`	`kagaro`	`granted I hate bugzilla but thats an option`
`02:44.21`	`fewyn`	`that too`
`02:44.33`	`fewyn`	`hmm`
`02:44.43`	`fewyn`	`bugzilla is evil`
`02:45.00`	`fewyn`	`i've used it for trillian astra bugs and i hate touching it`
`02:45.26`	`kagaro`	`you could try mantis`
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`02:59.55`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> date("%I:%M")`
`02:59.55`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'date' (a nil value)`
`03:00.00`	`Xinhuan`	`lua> os.date("%I:%M")`
`03:00.00`	`lua_bot`	`Xinhuan: 04:00`
`03:00.14`	`Xinhuan`	`o_O`
`03:00.50`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm i guess 4am is right`
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`03:09.21`	`CIA-45`	`03arrowmaster * r79031 10BigWigs/Plugins/RaidWarn.lua:`
`03:09.21`	`CIA-45`	`BigWigs:`
`03:09.21`	`CIA-45`	`-revert commit 79025 by hshh, DO NOT CHANGE DEFAULT BEHAVIOR AND DO NOT CLAIM TO FIX A BUG THAT DOESN'T EXIST!`
`03:09.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`i really hate hshh`
`03:09.57`	`Antiarc`	`what was the change?`
`03:10.01`	`Antiarc`	`Because I'm too lazy for diffs`
`03:10.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://groups.google.com/group/wowace/browse_thread/thread/c32966aa27b6e1df?hl=en`
`03:10.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~day`
`03:10.09`	`purl`	`methinks day is saved again by... CAPTAIN PROTON! (corny theme music), or Thursday.`
`03:10.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wtf`
`03:10.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`thursday?!`
`03:10.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it was monday....last night...`
`03:10.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`this is bullshit`
`03:10.49`	`Ellipsis`	`nibbles Pkekyo\|`
`03:11.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc: you know the broadcast and broadcast to raid options in bigwigs? he made it so that if you only had broadcast to raid enabled and not broadcast then it would broadcast to raid`
`03:11.44`	`Antiarc`	`...`
`03:11.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`and claimed it to be some fix for 5 mans`
`03:11.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`which it wasnt`
`03:12.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`i hate him`
`03:12.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`hes a retarded asian thats always fucking shit up`
`03:13.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok archi time`
`03:13.22`	`Ellipsis`	`~comfort Arrowmaster`
`03:13.23`	`purl`	`There, there, Arrowmaster. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`03:13.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`plonks Ellipsis. Hard.`
`03:15.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`im never going to forget the time he broke everything that used LSM-3.0`
`03:18.09`	`CIA-45`	`03apoco * r79032 10RBM_Gruuls/HighKing.lua: RBM_Gruuls: Fixed koKR localization error`
`03:22.10`	`Neya`	`There is no built in option in chatter to remove the colon after a players name, is there?`
`03:22.43`	`Antiarc`	`I'm not sure. Probably not`
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`03:24.19`	`Neya`	`ok, I'll just hack it into the code for my own use, it works but I always forget where it is after each update xD`
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`03:36.43`	`vithos`	`Apoco: now that you're here i can't remember what i was going to bug you about`
`03:41.13`	`mykx`	`Antiarc: not sure if you can do anything about this but brutallus tells me soulshatter resists are being ignored by omen and counted as a regular shatter threat wise`
`03:44.01`	`Apoco`	`:(`
`03:44.07`	`Apoco`	`sorry, irc was bugging for a few days`
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`03:47.42`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight: Parrot breaks when you get hit by Fel Lightning in Sunwell Plateau`
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`03:47.55`	`Antiarc`	`Like, stops working until reloadui`
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`03:49.49`	`sylvanaar`	`minute maid frozen cherry limeade is ftw`
`03:51.27`	`Aeyan`	`That makes my head hurt in so many ways`
`03:52.46`	`Antiarc`	`http://pastey.net/92309`
`03:52.50`	`Aeyan`	`It was orignally lemonade, not limeade`
`03:52.56`	`Aeyan`	`It's cherry, so it's not really limeade`
`03:53.09`	`Aeyan`	`But it's frozen, so it's not lemonade or limeade period =P`
`03:53.35`	`sylvanaar`	`actually its "soft frozen limeade`
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`03:53.52`	`sylvanaar`	`its like sorbet`
`03:54.46`	`sylvanaar`	`actually, im not sure how it differs from sorbet come to think of it`
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`04:07.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`i need to test this but i may have a fix for soulshatter`
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`04:08.14`	`daemoen`	`hey guys`
`04:08.33`	`daemoen`	`real quick q anyone know of a good replacement for the zone map (shift-m) map? its dinky and almost impossible to see, lol`
`04:08.48`	`daemoen`	`and from what i can see, it doesnt have any options to resize or anything`
`04:15.01`	`Dashkal`	`daemoen: have a look at cartographer3`
`04:15.28`	`daemoen`	`Dashkal: i have cartographer already, i want one that can be displayed in active mode, like the shift-m version of the minimap`
`04:16.05`	`Dashkal`	`3, not 2. 3 is smaller and has a google-maps type interface. Resizes, scales, etc. And if you turn of world map mode, works alongside carto2`
`04:16.17`	`daemoen`	`hmmm`
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`04:16.33`	`Dashkal`	`I use it for exactly what you described. It's a mid-level map`
`04:16.49`	`daemoen`	`ahh, kk, ill go grab it right fast then`
`04:17.23`	`Apoco`	`Antiarc: the problem with parrot is that as of the last patch fel lightning in sunwell has 2 damage types (nature+shadow) instead of just shadow like it used to.`
`04:17.31`	`Antiarc`	`right`
`04:17.35`	`Apoco`	`I had a problem with that too`
`04:17.35`	`Antiarc`	`Figured that was it`
`04:17.36`	`Apoco`	`;(`
`04:17.49`	`Apoco`	`its like bit 56 or some stupid shit`
`04:28.38`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Arrowmaster: would be awesome if you did.`
`04:28.52`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Got -nearly- screwed with it last night on brutallus.`
`04:29.03`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`another of our locks shattered, and it resisted, and he didn't notice.`
`04:29.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and pulled aggro.`
`04:29.19`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`however, it was at 2%, so we just burned him down.`
`04:29.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf`
`04:29.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`im not seeing anything for shatter in my combatlog but the 'you preform'`
`04:30.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Should be a success message for it.`
`04:30.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`i know`
`04:30.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`but im not seeing it`
`04:30.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`and now i have to wait 5 minutes to turnon combatloging and try again`
`04:31.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`unless somebody else wants to get a 2.4.3 log for me`
`04:31.59`	`Xuerian`	`stabs XLoot repeatedly till it gets ADB3.0 to save the db.`
`04:32.17`	`Xuerian`	`not workin >_o`
`04:32.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hi Xuerian. I suggest threatening it with hit-gnomes.`
`04:33.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`Xuerian: are you triggering any LoadAddOn() calls between your lua being loaded and your OnInit?`
`04:33.08`	`Xuerian`	`hit-gnomes? I prefer scrat.`
`04:33.11`	`Xuerian`	`~xuerian`
`04:33.11`	`purl`	`ACTION lets out a Scrat-like scream and stabs something at random.`
`04:33.18`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: Nope`
`04:33.22`	`daemoen`	`Dashkal: perfect solution, as expected from you guys TY :)`
`04:33.32`	`daemoen`	`and it even has a nicer waypoint arrow than QH does, lol`
`04:33.41`	`daemoen`	`trots back off to get levelling`
`04:33.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`Xuerian: are you doing the AceDB-3.0 call in OnInit?`
`04:34.02`	`Dashkal`	`:D`
`04:34.11`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: It's functional other than this, let me commit and you can look at it. Sec.`
`04:34.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`well im in the middle of something too`
`04:35.53`	`Xuerian`	`Ah... well, core file is called from toc. OnInit has defaults def followed by self.db = LibStub("AceDB-3.0"):New("XLootDB", defaults, "Default")`
`04:36.29`	`Xuerian`	`where defaults is { profile = { ... } }`
`04:37.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`and no errors?`
`04:37.24`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: The db works entirely per session, but changes are either not saved or are overwritten between reloads`
`04:37.50`	`Xuerian`	`(No, no errors)`
`04:37.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`are you 100% sure you are not triggering any LoadAddon()'s?`
`04:38.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`as in you dont reference AceLibrary or Rock anywhere at all`
`04:39.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`try adding a debug print to your OnInit and print out the value of event and arg1`
`04:39.27`	`Xuerian`	`Not as far as I can tell. I init XLoot with libstub/aceaddon, and the first thing I do in oninit is the defaults`
`04:40.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`and fuck wow isnt exiting`
`04:40.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`which means when it crashes/i kill it, i wont get my combatlog`
`04:41.02`	`Xuerian`	`-_-;`
`04:41.05`	`Dashkal`	`doesn't /rl force a write, arrow?`
`04:41.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`i needed to exit anyway`
`04:41.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`my computer doesnt handle running wow and doing other stuff`
`04:42.00`	`Dashkal`	`I was just thinking /rl to force the write, then good-ol-alt-f4`
`04:43.13`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: Hmm, guess I am`
`04:43.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`you are using AceLibrary() somewhere i bet`
`04:44.42`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: You're right, I completely forgot I did it in another file. Sorry for answering erroneously, that was it.`
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`04:46.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`i cant even fucking get a taskmanager to open so i can kill wow`
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`04:52.14`	`Zyndrome`	`http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tastieui2jr3.jpg , "Actually, you are wrong. I am using the same status bar texture for all my bars. I am using the DsmB5 texture. The bad quality screenshot may be effecting what you see."`
`04:52.21`	`Zyndrome`	`giggles`
`04:52.30`	`Xuerian`	`Arrowmaster: Damn >_<`
`04:53.02`	`Xuerian`	`Zyndrome: wuht? guy nuts?`
`04:53.44`	`Zyndrome`	`just lurking the UI screenshots thread`
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`04:58.09`	`Groktar`	`Circle of Healing (Holy): Now works on any targets in the caster's raid, and is now a "smart" heal and chooses the lowest health targets to heal first within it's range.`
`04:58.19`	`Groktar`	`i can kinda see the cooldown now`
`04:58.32`	`Xuerian`	`What's the cooldown now?`
`04:58.36`	`Groktar`	`6s`
`04:58.42`	`Groktar`	`but they took it off again`
`04:58.49`	`Groktar`	`they said they're going to watch it`
`04:59.05`	`Groktar`	`i would rather have coh as it currently stands than the new version with a 6s cd`
`04:59.55`	`Groktar`	`either that or make it work exactly like chain heal`
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`05:01.25`	`Groktar`	`lightwell got a huge buff`
`05:01.48`	`Groktar`	`it only breaks when a single attack does 30% of your total health`
`05:03.07`	`Groktar`	`shadow has gotten some nice dps buffs`
`05:03.39`	`Groktar`	`you never have to refresh swp`
`05:04.23`	`Xuerian`	`Locks got a buff like that.`
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`05:04.55`	`daemoen`	`Dashkal: ever closed the window and had an issue figuring out how to get the map back? :-D`
`05:05.05`	`daemoen`	`pressed the x and cant find any way to re-enable it now`
`05:05.34`	`NeoTron`	`Groktar: nice with lightwell actually working now`
`05:05.42`	`Groktar`	`improved swp increases total dmg by 10%, 100% crit strike bonus`
`05:05.46`	`NeoTron`	`Xuerian: locks have two - one aff for corruption one destro for immo`
`05:05.47`	`daemoen`	`or anyone else familiar with carto3 for that matter :-D`
`05:06.12`	`Xuerian`	`NeoTron: I implied both, heh.`
`05:06.16`	`Groktar`	`NeoTron: nobody is going to spec lightwell tho`
`05:06.34`	`Xuerian`	`or... tried to. Failed horribly, apparently`
`05:06.36`	`Groktar`	`too many better talents, not enough talent points`
`05:07.24`	`Groktar`	`the serendipity is just crazy. when you overheal for 50% or more you get 60% mana back`
`05:07.45`	`Xuerian`	`Groktar: I know T_T`
`05:07.53`	`Groktar`	`i could pretty much indefinitely spam max rank gheal with a spriest with that`
`05:07.55`	`Xuerian`	`Groktar: Feral makes me want to cry with the lack of talent points to just get it all`
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`05:09.46`	`Aiiane`	`Groktar, did they change 16% clearcasting?`
`05:09.50`	`Aiiane`	`I haven't checked recently`
`05:16.19`	`erikh`	`does the +power HoT exist in the druid resto tree?`
`05:16.35`	`erikh`	`just curious if they already figured out that was totally OP`
`05:17.58`	`Dashkal`	`daemoen: Bind a key for it`
`05:18.24`	`Dashkal`	`I just used shift-m since I don't intend to use the old shift-m map anymore`
`05:18.25`	`daemoen`	`ok, so there is an option in the key bindings to restore the map?`
`05:18.48`	`Dashkal`	`Once you disconnect carto3 from the worldmap, you need to use the keybind (there's prolly a slashie too) to get it back`
`05:30.11`	`NeoTron`	`Groktar: for 1 pt it might still be worth it`
`05:30.38`	`NeoTron`	`there could be encounters where a lightwell would be amazingl useful`
`05:30.46`	`NeoTron`	`I mean remember when no one used CoH because "it sucked"?`
`05:33.19`	`Aiiane`	`Needs another Loatheb imo :P`
`05:33.53`	`yoshimo`	`"healbot" is fun ;)`
`05:34.42`	`Aiiane`	`heck, loatheb was pretty much the anti-healbot boss`
`05:36.11`	`yoshimo`	`anagrams ftw ;)`
`05:36.18`	`Aiiane`	`aye`
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`05:43.09`	`Codayus`	`Eh, there's a lot of difference between Lightwell and CoH.`
`05:44.49`	`Codayus`	`Even when CoH sucked (ie, in Kara), it was clear it'd rock if it just hit a lot harder and you were in a fight with lots of AoE damage. Lightwell...has some fundamental issues that can't be addressed by gear scaling or any obvious fight design mechanics... :-/`
`05:45.22`	`Aiiane`	`Core Problem: Other people`
`05:46.16`	`Xuerian`	`Isn't it always?`
`05:46.20`	`Apoco`	`ping Arrowmaster`
`05:46.30`	`Codayus`	`Partly, bit it's more than that. One of the big things is the short duration/few charges combined with a long cooldown/high cost/casting time.`
`05:47.06`	`Diao`	`that's why you cast it at the beginning of a boss fight`
`05:47.07`	`Diao`	`before you pull!`
`05:47.10`	`Codayus`	`They're addressing some of that, but I think they need to go all the way - if I can't have a lightwell up for all or even most of the fight, then it's fail.`
`05:47.11`	`Diao`	`it's like free healing`
`05:49.12`	`Codayus`	`In its current form, it's up for 3m or 5 charges, with a 6m cooldown. Which means, in practice, that anytime anyone MIGHT think about using it, it's not actually up.`
`05:49.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`Apoco: pong`
`05:50.11`	`NeoTron`	`Aiiane: well considering we're getting another Naxxramas I'd say it's like we'll see another loatheb`
`05:50.30`	`Codayus`	`Because it despawned before anyone needed it, or all the charges got used already and the cooldowns not up, not that you'd recast it anyhow. It's SOME better in the current wotlk build, but...we'll see. :-/`
`05:50.39`	`Aiiane`	`Codayus: New form is, iirc, 3min cooldown, 6 charges, 0.5sec casting time`
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`05:50.44`	`NeoTron`	`Codayus: but the real main issue with lightwell is that the heal effect was removed by taking damage`
`05:50.55`	`Aiiane`	`and doesnt break except on 30%hp damage, now`
`05:51.08`	`Aiiane`	`now, it's like a bandage which doesnt affect dps time`
`05:51.10`	`Apoco`	`Arrowmaster: pm`
`05:51.17`	`Aiiane`	`which, from the point of view of someone who raids as a warlock`
`05:51.22`	`Codayus`	`NeoTron: Yes and no. The thing about breaking on damage is...it sucked but it could be worked around, but why would anyone bother to work around it when the lightwell is probably not even up?`
`05:51.23`	`Aiiane`	`is GREAT`
`05:51.56`	`Aiiane`	`new lightwell is basically "every 3 minutes, spend 0.5 seconds giving your warlocks half their mana bar back"`
`05:52.17`	`Diao`	`the question is`
`05:52.24`	`Diao`	`are you actually sacrificing anything in a full holy spec to get lightwell`
`05:52.27`	`Diao`	`if not, then why not pick it up`
`05:52.39`	`Codayus`	`I like the 30% HP change, but I still think they need to bite the bullet and give it a 10m duration, 100 charges, no cooldown, instacast, no mana cost, can only have 1 up at a time. Possibly with a debuff on use to stop epople chain using it.`
`05:52.49`	`Codayus`	`Diao: Yes, at the moment. Holy build is pretty tight.`
`05:52.55`	`Diao`	`and it's 10 charges :o`
`05:53.10`	`Aiiane`	`10 charges every 3 minutes isn't too bad`
`05:53.49`	`Codayus`	`Maybe. It's heading in the right direction, and making the cooldown = duration is a great start. I'm just...skeptical.`
`05:54.01`	`Codayus`	`....oh hey, with the new minipet changes, they should change lightwell to a minipet.`
`05:54.04`	`Codayus`	`Srsly.`
`05:54.33`	`Aiiane`	`lol`
`05:54.41`	`Codayus`	`1) It'd be very cool. 2) Priests with the talent are followed around with a bandage dispenser. 3) Did I mention it'd be cool?`
`05:54.43`	`Aiiane`	`it'd be funny to have one following you around`
`05:55.32`	`Aiiane`	`i think the main power of lightwell though is the awesome healing-per-cast-time ratio`
`05:55.48`	`Aiiane`	`just (for instance) using lynx boss in ZA as an example, with his phase transitions`
`05:55.50`	`Codayus`	`nod`
`05:56.05`	`Aiiane`	`what if he were hitting so frequently/hard that you basically needed to be on MT heals 95% of the time?`
`05:56.07`	`CIA-45`	`03xuerian 07XLoot1.0 * r79033 10XLoot/ (17 files in 4 dirs):`
`05:56.07`	`CIA-45`	`XLoot: 1.0: Going to claw my eyes out soon...`
`05:56.07`	`CIA-45`	`Merged changes from AndreasG (PhatLoot)`
`05:56.07`	`CIA-45`	`Hugely simplified options, config, and code in general.`
`05:56.07`	`CIA-45`	`Now uses Ace3/Ace3 Options.`
`05:56.08`	`CIA-45`	`*Frame color, loot texts, and snap offset options are missing`
`05:56.31`	`Aiiane`	`it takes a lot longer to put up renews on 5+ people, or spam CoH 3-4 times, then it does to drop a single lightwell`
`05:56.33`	`Xuerian`	`*+ completely breaks all xloot modules >_>`
`05:56.34`	`Codayus`	`Very much so. But I still think that in order to be useful on Lynx, people have to know the lightwell isn't about to run out of charges or something. Otherwise...`
`05:57.08`	`Codayus`	`Ah well`
`05:57.15`	`Aiiane`	`otherwise they just continue normally`
`05:57.29`	`Aiiane`	`nothing is really lost, except maybe a second or so of them realizing its despawned`
`05:57.56`	`Aeyan`	`Oh nos, they nerfed serendipity`
`05:58.03`	`Aeyan`	`Hehe, saw that coming`
`05:58.07`	`Aeyan`	`It was a little too badass`
`05:58.24`	`Aiiane`	`did they nerf it again, or do you mean 60%?`
`05:58.34`	`Aeyan`	`60%`
`05:58.43`	`Aiiane`	`it's still pretty badass :P`
`05:58.48`	`Aeyan`	`Oh, no doubt`
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`05:59.10`	`Aiiane`	`it'd be funny to sit there with 2pc t5 and gain mana while spamming gheal`
`05:59.13`	`Aeyan`	`But 100% was just the awesomeness`
`05:59.17`	`Aeyan`	`=P`
`06:00.05`	`Aeyan`	`Not that I actually considered respec'ing Holy, anyhow`
`06:00.06`	`Aiiane`	`haven't nerfed 16% clearcasting yet >.>`
`06:00.12`	`Aeyan`	`Unless my friends force me to`
`06:00.24`	`Diao`	`nerfed it like illumination`
`06:01.08`	`Aiiane`	`except that unlike illumination, serendipity didnt and doesnt require stacking any stats :P`
`06:01.28`	`Diao`	`yeah`
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`06:01.33`	`Diao`	`so they should unnerf illum`
`06:01.40`	`Diao`	`especially since priests already out-regen paladins these days :P`
`06:02.03`	`Aiiane`	`holy pallies... heh.`
`06:02.15`	`Aiiane`	`let's just saying we'll see how they work out in wotlk and leave it at that.`
`06:02.19`	`Diao`	`lol`
`06:02.36`	`Aeyan`	`The top end Shaman resto tree looks awesome`
`06:02.43`	`Diao`	`it does`
`06:02.56`	`Diao`	`it's funny because i actually heard some people say spirit link is worthless`
`06:03.08`	`Aeyan`	`Hit them`
`06:03.12`	`Diao`	`i wanted to!`
`06:03.18`	`Diao`	`it's so good`
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`06:04.12`	`Diao`	`did you hear about the new ele spec`
`06:04.16`	`Diao`	`only goes like 4x into ele`
`06:04.18`	`Codayus`	`Serenditpity wasn't really nerfed.`
`06:04.22`	`Codayus`	`They removed the 10s cooldown, IIRC.`
`06:04.32`	`Diao`	`and the rest into enh for tons of extra spellpower`
`06:04.41`	`Codayus`	`100% every 10s vs 60s every heal? Not obvious which is better.`
`06:04.49`	`Codayus`	`er, 60%`
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`06:04.53`	`Diao`	`depends how much you overheal i suppose?`
`06:05.13`	`Codayus`	`Max mana gain is higher, as a practical metter...depends heavily on the fight.`
`06:05.28`	`Aeyan`	`No, I hadn't heard about that`
`06:05.34`	`Aeyan`	`Don't keep up with shamans much`
`06:05.49`	`Diao`	`they're using the mental quickness talent`
`06:05.59`	`Diao`	`for gains of up to 600+ free spellpower`
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`06:08.46`	`Aiiane`	`ele shammies with 1800 atp?`
`06:09.17`	`Diao`	`from raid buffs`
`06:09.19`	`Diao`	`and such`
`06:09.27`	`Diao`	`bshout/might`
`06:09.32`	`Diao`	`unleashed rage, etc`
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`06:09.38`	`Aiiane`	`i suppose`
`06:11.55`	`Diao`	`i mean, bshout now is already ~400 ap`
`06:12.06`	`Diao`	`so that's 133 spellpower :P`
`06:14.21`	`Diao`	`it's funny.. Aiiane you're one of two people i know of that call attack power atp instead of ap`
`06:14.43`	`Aiiane`	`i use both`
`06:15.09`	`Aiiane`	`although ranged attack power is pretty much always rap`
`06:15.31`	`Aiiane`	`but with the addition of armor penetration`
`06:15.35`	`Aiiane`	`ap is ambiguous sometimes`
`06:17.42`	`CIA-45`	`03chrisp * r79034 10/branches/QuestAnnouncer/: dev-version of questannouncer (don't use it)`
`06:18.11`	`Diao`	`oh`
`06:18.18`	`Diao`	`everyone i know calls armor penetration arp`
`06:21.10`	`vithos`	`i just call it 'pen'`
`06:21.37`	`CIA-45`	`03chrisp 071.0-dev * r79035 10QuestAnnouncer/ (7 files in 2 dirs): QuestAnnouncer: initial ace3ed version`
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`06:45.13`	`Aiiane`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=osspc11TRTg >.`
`06:45.24`	`Aiiane`	`*>.>`
`06:47.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`ugg i so wish i was tired right now or that sleeping pills actually worked on me`
`06:47.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`my head hurts so much i just want to go sleep it off`
`06:48.25`	`eliteevil`	`~seen Menyu`
`06:48.39`	`purl`	`eliteevil: i haven't seen 'menyu'`
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`06:51.08`	`Groktar`	`so we did bt today`
`06:51.18`	`Groktar`	`we wiped on ros`
`06:51.28`	`Groktar`	`because we didn't have the dps`
`06:51.30`	`Groktar`	`i was ....`
`06:52.51`	`Groktar`	`didn't miss any deadens, tank didn't take any shocks`
`06:53.13`	`Groktar`	`we never even had that happen while we were learning it`
`06:53.26`	`Groktar`	`was always interrupts that wiped us`
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`06:57.54`	`theoddone33`	`I've never been in BT`
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`06:58.19`	`eliteevil`	`Groktar: Yeah, there are just those nights sometimes..`
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`07:00.20`	`theoddone33`	`first boss of sunwell`
`07:00.23`	`theoddone33`	`pretty easy?`
`07:00.34`	`profalbert`	`if your healers are good`
`07:00.35`	`theoddone33`	`compared to BT/hyjal content`
`07:00.41`	`profalbert`	`harder than illidan imho`
`07:02.06`	`theoddone33`	`looking up my old server`
`07:02.45`	`theoddone33`	`only 2 guilds on horde have done illidan/archimonde`
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`07:03.10`	`profalbert`	`same here`
`07:03.12`	`profalbert`	`3 for ally`
`07:03.35`	`theoddone33`	`4 on my current server`
`07:03.39`	`theoddone33`	`just on horde`
`07:04.13`	`theoddone33`	`I guess all it means is there are a ton of servers`
`07:04.20`	`theoddone33`	`where 1700+ guilds have downed illidan`
`07:04.35`	`theoddone33`	`just in the US`
`07:05.50`	`Xinhuan`	`18 guilds killed brutallus on my server ;p`
`07:06.24`	`Xinhuan`	`15 killed felmyst, 9 or so killed twins, 3 killed muru, 1 killed kj`
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`07:09.57`	`winkiller`	`wtf`
`07:10.08`	`winkiller`	`we have 5 guilds in SWP`
`07:10.22`	`winkiller`	`3 of them only killed 1 boss`
`07:10.27`	`winkiller`	`and 2 2 bosses`
`07:11.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`arent you on blackrock, Xinhuan?`
`07:11.10`	`Xuerian`	`Best guild on my server only has one...`
`07:11.12`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`07:11.31`	`cncfanatics`	`you all just fail`
`07:11.33`	`cncfanatics`	`pugs farm kj here`
`07:11.53`	`winkiller`	`pugs fail kara here`
`07:12.11`	`Xinhuan`	`check http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/blackrock`
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`07:12.44`	`Xinhuan`	`and http://www.wowprogress.com/realms/rank/us`
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`07:13.11`	`Xinhuan`	`DnT like rerolled on my server, and went up to #15 in 2 weeks`
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`07:13.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`i thought they quit`
`07:13.48`	`cncfanatics`	`DnT disbanded now didn't they ?`
`07:13.57`	`Xinhuan`	`they rerolled horde on my server`
`07:14.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah but how many of them`
`07:14.23`	`Xinhuan`	`dnt (rank 15) recruited many ppl from mediocrity (rank 4) which is kinda in shambles atm`
`07:14.26`	`winkiller`	`ouch. http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/aggramar`
`07:14.29`	`Xinhuan`	`only nurfed (rank 1) continues to farm kj`
`07:14.39`	`Xinhuan`	`my guild is no-maam (rank 18)`
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`07:14.58`	`Xinhuan`	`the number of guilds stuck on muru is like, crazy`
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`07:15.44`	`theoddone33`	`my server pugs t4 content on horde side`
`07:15.48`	`theoddone33`	`which is pretty cool`
`07:16.05`	`theoddone33`	`all the t4 content, not just kara`
`07:16.18`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/magtheridon <3`
`07:16.30`	`cncfanatics`	`theoddone33: we pug swp trash & t5 content here`
`07:16.33`	`CIA-45`	`grit: 03Tekkub 07master * ra47fd41 10/ (lib/grit.rb lib/grit/grit.rb): add more comments throughout`
`07:16.50`	`winkiller`	`see my link above - and we also pug t4 content - and some groups do SSC/TK`
`07:17.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/burning-legion`
`07:17.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`7th =(`
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`07:18.34`	`CIA-45`	`grit: 03Tekkub 07master * ra47fd41 10/ (lib/grit.rb lib/grit/grit.rb): add more comments throughout`
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`07:18.36`	`Xinhuan`	`heh, technically wowprogress isn't 100% accurate`
`07:19.16`	`theoddone33`	`http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/alleria this realm fails pretty hard on horde`
`07:19.16`	`Xinhuan`	`there's a guild on my server that hasn't killed Illidan, but they are marked as having killed illidan`
`07:19.16`	`Xinhuan`	`because they sell the instance`
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`07:19.17`	`Xinhuan`	`to the top guilds, and bring just 1 or 2 of theirmembers to learn (and pick up DE T6 chest)`
`07:19.17`	`winkiller`	`theoddone33: ratio 0.33 : 1`
`07:19.17`	`Xinhuan`	`so on armory it looks like they picked up t6 chest and killed it`
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`07:19.34`	`theoddone33`	`yeah`
`07:19.47`	`cncfanatics`	`wtf ?`
`07:19.56`	`cncfanatics`	`maggy has over 80 guilds who killed illi`
`07:19.56`	`winkiller`	`interesting tactics :P`
`07:20.07`	`theoddone33`	`population imbalance is a destructive cycle`
`07:20.24`	`Aiiane`	`http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/garona <-- we're not much better than alleria hordeside`
`07:20.32`	`winkiller`	`http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/aggramar <- A-H 2:1`
`07:20.32`	`theoddone33`	`ah same battlegroup`
`07:20.38`	`Xinhuan`	`wowprogress is inaccuarte for illidan kills`
`07:21.00`	`winkiller`	`you always have to take that into account`
`07:21.06`	`theoddone33`	`the only decent pvp guild on alleria horde transferred to blackhand, heh`
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`07:21.21`	`Xinhuan`	`the problem is they report progress as 0/6 Sunwell`
`07:21.29`	`Xinhuan`	`it doesn't report it as say 5/9 BT`
`07:21.38`	`Xinhuan`	`get what i mean?`
`07:21.41`	`winkiller`	`use wowjutsu.com then`
`07:21.45`	`Zyndrome`	`http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/defias-brotherhood ... hopefully it'll turn into 5/6 or 6/6 SWP after the summer break`
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`07:22.17`	`Xinhuan`	`wowjutsu sucks though, my guild killed felmyst 3 weeks ago, and ithasn't updated my guild yet`
`07:22.26`	`Xinhuan`	`with the kill that is`
`07:22.28`	`theoddone33`	`spirestone is 0.86 horde to 1 alliance`
`07:22.33`	`theoddone33`	`pretty good really`
`07:22.36`	`cncfanatics`	`indeed`
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`07:22.39`	`cncfanatics`	`check maggy lol`
`07:22.59`	`Xinhuan`	`blackrock: Horde / Alliance:`
`07:22.59`	`Xinhuan`	`1.06383`
`07:23.07`	`Xinhuan`	`1:0.94 that is`
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`07:23.26`	`winkiller`	`you can make wowjutsu update`
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`07:23.28`	`theoddone33`	`it doesn't matter so much anymore`
`07:23.38`	`winkiller`	`takes like 2min to input the names of people with loot, Xinhuan`
`07:23.39`	`theoddone33`	`now that there are battlegroups`
`07:23.53`	`Xinhuan`	`wowjutsu allows you to input names now?`
`07:23.58`	`winkiller`	`theoddone33: it matters for those progression charts`
`07:24.03`	`winkiller`	`Xinhuan: for aaages :)`
`07:24.05`	`theoddone33`	`that's very true`
`07:24.12`	`Xinhuan`	`last i checked, it attempted to scan armory of your guild once a week`
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`07:24.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`you can tell it to`
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`07:26.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`and you can force it to scan`
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`07:27.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`07:27.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://www.wowprogress.com/character/us/burning-legion/Tokrim`
`07:27.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`i must have logged out with my fishing hat and pole equiped a while ago`
`07:29.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:29.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`damn saved variables`
`07:29.46`	`Aiiane`	`hrm?`
`07:30.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`even though one of my saved variables is clearly "false"`
`07:30.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`my code behaves as if it were "true" >_>`
`07:30.35`	`Aiiane`	`o.0`
`07:30.38`	`Aiiane`	`pastey?`
`07:30.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`(I'm inside an if event=="ADDON_LOADED" block of my OnEvent function)`
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`07:31.37`	`Xinhuan`	`it happens if your addon causes another addon to load`
`07:31.51`	`Xinhuan`	`so the ADDON_LOADED fires for that addon on its completion`
`07:32.01`	`Xinhuan`	`before returning to your addon, and firing ADDON_LOADED for your addon`
`07:32.09`	`Xinhuan`	`you need to check arg1 == "my addon"`
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`07:32.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`that wont even really help`
`07:32.31`	`Aiiane`	`event wouldnt be a saved variable though, would it? o.0`
`07:32.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`since the OnInit wont get called again`
`07:32.42`	`Xinhuan`	`to ensure that you are working off the correct ADDON_LOADEd event`
`07:32.56`	`Aiiane`	`oh, nvm.`
`07:33.08`	`Aiiane`	`i think i figured out what you're referring to.`
`07:33.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'm only running one addon ;)`
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`07:33.14`	`Xinhuan`	`since ADDON_LOADED only fires for an addon right after its SV is loaded`
`07:33.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://ace.pastey.net/92322`
`07:33.22`	`Xinhuan`	`doesn't mean it can't fire blizzard addons to load, Gnarfoz`
`07:33.38`	`Xinhuan`	`some addons can and will cause Blizzard_Combatlog to load, for eg`
`07:34.14`	`Xinhuan`	`what's your savedvar called?`
`07:34.17`	`Gnarfoz`	`TEST`
`07:34.24`	`nevcairiel`	`Gnarfoz: well if you do it like that, you'll overwrite the SavedVar with your TEST table =P`
`07:34.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`like the addon is also called TEST ;)`
`07:34.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`nevcairiel: no? the savedvar will overwrite the other one`
`07:34.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`(on ADDON_LOADED)`
`07:34.48`	`nevcairiel`	`depending on load order`
`07:35.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`savedvariables are loaded after the code?`
`07:35.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`not the other way around`
`07:35.11`	`nevcairiel`	`add a "if not TEST then TEST = {} end"`
`07:35.23`	`nevcairiel`	`{} being your table, obviously`
`07:35.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`i.e.`
`07:35.46`	`Xinhuan`	`the point is, you have a "TEST = nil" saved in your savedvar`
`07:35.56`	`Xinhuan`	`i think?`
`07:35.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`which does happen`
`07:36.02`	`Xinhuan`	`what's in your savedvar file?`
`07:36.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`on the first start, I shouldn't? :(`
`07:36.10`	`cncfanatics`	`well, it can happen`
`07:36.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`if you never set it`
`07:36.15`	`cncfanatics`	`if someone wipes his savedvars`
`07:36.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`it will`
`07:36.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`erm I am setting it, that's what the first line was for, anyway`
`07:36.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`if not TEST then TEST = {new = true, zone = true, logo = false} end < then?`
`07:36.43`	`Xinhuan`	`don't do it there`
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`07:36.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah but if you loaded it once without setting it`
`07:37.02`	`cncfanatics`	`Gnarfoz: do that after the savedvars have been set`
`07:37.11`	`Xinhuan`	`you should just do, inside your ADDON_LOADED, "TEST = TEST or {zone = true, logo = false}"`
`07:37.13`	`cncfanatics`	`in OnEnable or something if you're using Ace`
`07:37.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`not using anything :>`
`07:37.26`	`Xinhuan`	`meaning if it exists, use it, if it doesn't exist, create the new savedvar table`
`07:37.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`Xinhuan: hm, I'll try that (although I somehow don't grasp how it's different from what I already have^^)`
`07:38.03`	`Xinhuan`	`when you addon loads, TEST = nil`
`07:38.07`	`Xinhuan`	`then the SV is loaded`
`07:38.17`	`Xinhuan`	`if it remains nil, then its a new installation`
`07:38.36`	`Xinhuan`	`and during ADDON_LOADED, the new table will be assigned`
`07:38.37`	`Xinhuan`	`since`
`07:38.48`	`Xinhuan`	`"TEST = TEST or {zone = true, logo = false}" becomes TEST = nil or {blah blah}`
`07:39.29`	`Xinhuan`	`if the SV loads, with an actual TEST = {some stuff loaded from your sv}, then TEST = TEST just assigned itself to itself`
`07:45.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`lua> test = {a=true,b=false,c=true}; if test.b then return "b" else return "meh" end`
`07:45.09`	`lua_bot`	`Gnarfoz: meh`
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`07:47.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`so`
`07:47.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`http://ace.pastey.net/92323 <- this is the current status`
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`07:48.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'll login ^^`
`07:48.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`nope, still does the f2:Show() part`
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`07:49.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`i.e. it still thinks TEST.zone is true while it's false? >_>`
`07:49.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`this can't be that unreliable, lol`
`07:49.44`	`cncfanatics`	`that means its false and not true`
`07:49.51`	`cncfanatics`	`sure you don't have false in ur savedvars ?`
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`07:50.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`I pastey'd the savedvariables file content`
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`07:55.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`I think I'll just not support saving any settings, lol :>`
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`07:56.11`	`profalbert`	`for saving settings edit MyAddon/Settings.lua`
`07:56.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah >_>`
`07:57.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`although I'd rather find out why the heck this doesn't work ;D`
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`07:58.34`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmm, what rings should I pick for a druid out of those 3 ?http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34625 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29322 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28763 ?`
`07:58.39`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm thinking for keeper's + jade`
`07:58.42`	`cncfanatics`	`but not totaly sure`
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`08:02.41`	Spuddly`	`everliving and khaarma's, just my $2 though`
`08:03.19`	`cncfanatics`	Spuddly`: khaarma's lacks regen though
`08:03.58`	Spuddly`	`odd, my name didn't set itself properly`
`08:04.31`	`Thelyna`	`it kind of depends on what your weak point is`
`08:04.39`	`Thelyna`	`but don't forget int = regen via spirit`
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`08:05.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`gaaah`
`08:05.33`	`Gnarfoz`	`ok`
`08:05.55`	`Fisker-`	`YES YES YES Gnarfoz`
`08:06.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`no.`
`08:06.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`~fail Gnarfoz`
`08:06.09`	`purl`	`Gnarfoz, you Fail!`
`08:06.14`	`Fisker-`	`NO`
`08:06.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes`
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`08:07.44`	`Fisker-`	`betaing is SO fun when your character is stuck`
`08:07.58`	`cncfanatics`	`Fisker-: you got owned`
`08:08.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`Fisker-: betaing is so fun without a key!`
`08:08.20`	`Fisker-`	`indeed Gnarfoz`
`08:08.25`	`Fisker-`	`no u cncfanatics ;_;`
`08:08.31`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, it helps to notice that freshly created frames are actually ALREADY SHOWN`
`08:08.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`>_________<`
`08:08.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`no need to :Show() them :<`
`08:09.00`	`cncfanatics`	`Gnarfoz: I usualy do it anyway`
`08:09.09`	`cncfanatics`	`I always explicitly show or hide my freshly created frames :p`
`08:09.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`cncfanatics: yeah, but when you want them to show or not show based on saved variables... and you think they're not visible until you :Show() em... ><`
`08:09.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`haet.`
`08:09.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`> 9k`
`08:09.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`Fisker-: who the fuck gave you a beta key anyway, can't have been blizzard :[`
`08:10.07`	`cncfanatics`	`Fisker-: ebay`
`08:10.16`	`cncfanatics`	`s/Fisker-/Gnarfoz/`
`08:10.34`	`Gnarfoz`	`ah, right, he bought a WWI card`
`08:10.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`at that time, there was still the rumor going around that the WWI key wouldn't be for wotlk`
`08:11.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`haet > 10k now`
`08:11.04`	`Gnarfoz`	`;P`
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`08:15.55`	`Fisker-`	`yeah if you were a tard Gnarfoz`
`08:17.01`	`Ellipsis`	`eats Fisker-`
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`08:18.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`I want some Fisker-, too!`
`08:18.09`	`Kalroth`	`hot`
`08:18.58`	`Ellipsis`	`my Fisker-`
`08:19.00`	`Ellipsis`	`ALL MINE`
`08:19.15`	Funkeh`	`shh`
`08:20.05`	`Ellipsis`	`:(`
`08:20.13`	`Ellipsis`	`sowwy, I has a bit to drinks`
`08:20.55`	Funkeh`	`lol rly?`
`08:21.08`	`Ellipsis`	`ya rly :3`
`08:21.15`	Funkeh`	`pats Ellipsis`
`08:21.22`	`Ellipsis`	`purrs`
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`08:30.22`	`Orionshock`	`morning all`
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`08:58.18`	`digmouse`	`is the beta key got at WWI usable now?`
`08:58.52`	`Fisker-`	`you have to register it`
`08:59.06`	`digmouse`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/misc/beta-signup.html right?`
`08:59.14`	`CIA-45`	`03jncl * r79037 10Baddiel/Baddiel.lua: Baddiel: Added option to force a garbage collection cycle`
`08:59.29`	`Fisker-`	`yes`
`08:59.36`	`digmouse`	`k`
`09:00.47`	`digmouse`	`then I got a confirmation emal`
`09:00.51`	`digmouse`	`*email`
`09:02.50`	`Fisker-`	`should've gotten a key by now then`
`09:03.34`	`Kalroth`	`give the beta key to me and I'll check if it works`
`09:03.35`	`digmouse`	`nothing but a confirmation email`
`09:03.38`	`Kalroth`	`:P`
`09:04.30`	`digmouse`	`:P used`
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`09:07.57`	`Zyndrome`	`I think Discovery Channel has like no variations or new material when it comes to fill-ins between shows... I see this shit "Robocup" like a hundred times a day`
`09:09.27`	`winkiller`	`I haven't watched Discovery Channel once in my life`
`09:09.48`	`winkiller`	`oh wait. that Bloodhound gang video had some scenes of mating animals`
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`09:14.30`	`theoddone33`	`I really enjoy python`
`09:14.33`	`theoddone33`	`like way more than I should`
`09:14.42`	`theoddone33`	`because I don't think it's an especially great language`
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`09:23.35`	`_rane`	`how did blizzard break dispel combat events in the last patch?`
`09:24.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`they changed`
`09:24.58`	`_rane`	`changed what`
`09:25.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`events`
`09:25.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`different event now`
`09:25.54`	`_rane`	`okay`
`09:26.04`	`_rane`	`where could i see list of exact changes?`
`09:26.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`try the sticky of the 2.4.x combatlog in one of the wowace dev forums`
`09:26.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`im going to bed`
`09:29.07`	`_rane`	`_AURA_DISPELLED -> _DISPEL`
`09:33.02`	`Zyndrome`	`http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/138-Age-of-Conan`
`09:33.02`	`Zyndrome`	`:o`
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`09:38.25`	`Industrial`	`da,m right Zyndrome`
`09:38.38`	`Industrial`	`aoc had it coming imo`
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`09:43.13`	`Ellipsis`	`licks Industrial`
`09:43.23`	`Industrial`	`licks Ellipsis`
`09:43.26`	`Zyndrome`	`people I know who have tried it, didn't stay for long :p`
`09:43.27`	`Ellipsis`	`:3`
`09:43.35`	`Industrial`	`:-D`
`09:44.10`	`Industrial`	`im gunna get a job`
`09:44.11`	`Industrial`	`LOL`
`09:44.16`	`Ellipsis`	`lolwut?`
`09:44.16`	`Industrial`	`ew, almost cant say it`
`09:44.22`	`Ellipsis`	`why would you do such a thing?`
`09:44.27`	`Industrial`	`me and work is like ants having sex`
`09:44.30`	`Industrial`	`cant see it happening :O`
`09:44.38`	`Industrial`	`anyway yeah money :<`
`09:44.42`	`Ellipsis`	`lame!`
`09:44.50`	`Industrial`	`need a macbook for next years studying :D`
`09:44.56`	`Industrial`	`or rather, messing around`
`09:44.59`	`Industrial`	`\o/`
`09:45.00`	`Zyndrome`	`I havn't had a real job since I graduated 5 years ago`
`09:45.09`	`Ellipsis`	`I've never had a job :>`
`09:45.09`	`Zyndrome`	`I'm quite awesome`
`09:45.13`	`Industrial`	`well its only for a month...`
`09:45.50`	`Ellipsis`	`I'm quite more awesomer`
`09:45.53`	`Ellipsis`	`\o/`
`09:46.09`	`Industrial`	`Ellipsis is the awesomest`
`09:46.13`	`Ellipsis`	`no u~`
`09:46.17`	`Ellipsis`	`I liek you Industrial`
`09:46.19`	`Industrial`	`no im AESOM`
`09:46.28`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`09:46.51`	`Industrial`	`but i gotta go`
`09:46.59`	`Ellipsis`	`:<`
`09:47.01`	`Industrial`	`buying some clothes too \o/`
`09:47.03`	`Ellipsis`	`hf`
`09:47.09`	`Industrial`	`ty bai`
`09:47.15`	`Ellipsis`	`bai bai`
`09:47.29`	`Zyndrome`	`shop naked`
`09:48.25`	`Zyndrome`	`hah, the japanese iPhone is going to have an unremovable shutter-sound for the builtin-camera`
`09:48.28`	`Zyndrome`	`guess why...`
`09:48.44`	`Kalroth`	`That's required by law in most European countries too`
`09:49.02`	`winkiller`	`not in Germany`
`09:49.07`	`winkiller`	`stupidest law ever`
`09:49.17`	`winkiller`	`wants firmwarehacks`
`09:49.19`	`Industrial`	`Zyndrome >> guess why...`
`09:49.19`	`Industrial`	`rofl`
`09:49.20`	`Zyndrome`	`nor in Swe- ... I mean, Soviet Sweden`
`09:49.50`	`Industrial`	`wasnt finland the commies?`
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`09:49.58`	`Industrial`	`or that just moonland :O`
`09:50.04`	`Zyndrome`	`moonland`
`09:50.10`	`Ellipsis`	`sweden is for cool people`
`09:50.12`	`Zyndrome`	`with their moon language :3`
`09:50.18`	`Industrial`	`indeed`
`09:51.17`	`Zyndrome`	`11:43.14 )) winkiller wants firmwarehacks`
`09:51.30`	`Zyndrome`	`dunno if PwnageTool does something about it`
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`09:55.31`	`basslingo`	`anyone know an alternative for Group Cal ?`
`09:56.36`	`Zyndrome`	`discipline & gkicks`
`09:57.16`	`Mera`	`me i know guildeventmanager or phpraider a web calendar`
`09:57.18`	`basslingo`	`400 members and dynamic raid groups`
`09:57.23`	`basslingo`	`ok`
`09:57.32`	`basslingo`	`we're thinking of switching to web based`
`09:57.41`	`basslingo`	`Gcal keeps deleting our GMOTD`
`09:59.21`	`dieck_`	`eqdkp + raidplan is ok for us, though no 400 members :) the one thing missing: if you have rights to add raids / confirm peoples you can do it for all raids, not only for your own. So maybe not good for your many people :)`
`09:59.42`	`winkiller`	`basslingo: that's not too bad, for us it randomly kicked people's signups`
`09:59.56`	`winkiller`	`phpraider works best imo`
`09:59.57`	`basslingo`	`winkiller, it does that too`
`10:00.05`	`basslingo`	`kk`
`10:00.22`	`winkiller`	`it's not so cool securitywise from a quick check`
`10:00.29`	`basslingo`	`if i ever get around to it, ill try and make an Ace3 version of gcal`
`10:00.34`	`winkiller`	`but also not totally unsecure`
`10:00.37`	`Mera`	`yup think to patch it phpaider is quite unsecured`
`10:00.46`	`basslingo`	`if its php i can modify it`
`10:01.11`	`winkiller`	`what we had to fix first was disallowing html in signup comments`
`10:01.22`	`winkiller`	`it's only your people, but still some nice xss`
`10:01.30`	`basslingo`	`yea`
`10:01.37`	`basslingo`	`any know sql inject issues?`
`10:02.03`	`winkiller`	`didn't find any, but i'm not the specialist for that`
`10:02.09`	`basslingo`	`k`
`10:02.14`	`winkiller`	`and I didn't review all the code, did just some basic checks`
`10:02.50`	`basslingo`	`anyone have a live copy i could look at?`
`10:03.20`	`Mera`	`just think to vist phpraider.com to dl the last version regulary because mot of the time people is hacked because they forgot to update to last version`
`10:03.26`	`Orionshock`	`lol - Azgalor fight starts ... only rogue d/c's dosn't come back till half way though... and boss drops [Shady Dealer's Pantaloons] :\`
`10:03.37`	`basslingo`	`hehe`
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`10:04.26`	`basslingo`	`yea..... phpraider needs some updates`
`10:04.30`	`basslingo`	`10 secs in`
`10:04.34`	`basslingo`	`http://www.badaguild.com/raider/index.php?option=com_view&id=-1`
`10:04.42`	`basslingo`	`This raid occured 3 decades 8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours 36 minutes 54 seconds ago!`
`10:04.48`	`basslingo`	`>.>`
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`10:05.13`	`Megalon`	`winkiller: is phpraider good? i just used it's predecessor phpraid for a guild`
`10:05.28`	`basslingo`	`http://www.badaguild.com/raider/index.php?option=com_view&id=%27 causes an sql error (visible error=bad)`
`10:05.28`	`Mera`	`heh`
`10:05.42`	`Megalon`	`and things like "select * from table" and "'timestamp' varchar(45)" made cry a little bit :x`
`10:05.45`	`winkiller`	`Megalon: we have it running and it's really easy and works`
`10:06.04`	`basslingo`	`works until someone pushes its buttons`
`10:06.05`	`winkiller`	`as I said, didn't really check code indepzh`
`10:06.06`	`basslingo`	`:P`
`10:06.19`	`Megalon`	`i did :D`
`10:06.19`	`winkiller`	`but.. it makes people sign up`
`10:06.20`	`winkiller`	`because the UI is ncie`
`10:06.23`	`basslingo`	`code.... i didnt check code`
`10:06.27`	`basslingo`	`i just fiddled`
`10:06.31`	`Megalon`	`but coding something yourself is always bound to work, which kinda sucks without motivation :/`
`10:06.39`	`basslingo`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`10:08.11`	`Megalon`	`oh, just downloaded and checked 1.0.7b`
`10:08.53`	`basslingo`	`i need to learn lua >.>`
`10:08.57`	`Megalon`	`he still only knows int and varchar fieldtypes in sql :x`
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`10:09.02`	`basslingo`	`hehe`
`10:09.12`	`basslingo`	`varchar == overflow`
`10:09.29`	`yoshimo`	`~seen ulic`
`10:09.31`	`purl`	`ulic is currently on #wowace (9h 54m 35s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 7h 30m 42s, last said: 'and also SetFill does work at the bar level, but not the group level, haven't figured out why.'.`
`10:09.45`	`Megalon`	basslingo: `start_time` varchar(45) NOT NULL,
`10:09.51`	`Megalon`	`such things make me cry in the inside :D`
`10:10.10`	`basslingo`	`hehe`
`10:10.34`	`basslingo`	should be `starttime` datetime NOT NULL
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`10:11.41`	`Mera`	`a few days ago my guild leader was mad bcuz I had broke phpraider by inputing an unwanted <script> somewhere lol :o`
`10:11.50`	`basslingo`	`lol`
`10:12.44`	`basslingo`	`whats really funny, is when u get a custom build forums that accepts exe's as avatar images`
`10:12.56`	`cncfanatics`	`:o`
`10:13.03`	`cncfanatics`	`what would the point be though ?`
`10:13.08`	`cncfanatics`	`its not like the server would exec them :p`
`10:13.13`	`basslingo`	`keylogger and crap`
`10:13.17`	`basslingo`	`if they click it`
`10:13.20`	`basslingo`	`it was that bad`
`10:14.14`	`cncfanatics`	`whoever did that needs something better to do`
`10:14.30`	`basslingo`	`oh, btw Warrior 12,969 execute crit :) http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1238/finhugerg2.jpg`
`10:14.58`	`basslingo`	`it made me very VERY happy`
`10:15.02`	`Megalon`	`on the curator`
`10:15.05`	`basslingo`	`yea`
`10:15.21`	`nevcairiel`	`during evocation? nothing special really :P`
`10:15.54`	`basslingo`	`it is when the guild has a hall of crits :P`
`10:16.07`	`basslingo`	`screenshots or it doesnt happen`
`10:16.54`	`basslingo`	`anyway, what do yall think of the WoTLK new talent trees?`
`10:18.32`	`basslingo`	`the 51 point talent for arms war's looks sick for pvp`
`10:18.37`	`NivFreak`	`whoot`
`10:18.48`	`NivFreak`	`BT trash healing ring just got me my shoulders off mother sunday I think`
`10:18.51`	`NivFreak`	`assume we don't fail utterly`
`10:18.56`	`NivFreak`	`assuming`
`10:19.06`	`basslingo`	`hehe`
`10:19.08`	`NivFreak`	`man`
`10:19.10`	`NivFreak`	`fucking bloodboil`
`10:19.19`	`NivFreak`	`I should just not bring clothies`
`10:19.31`	`Bruners`	`just bring healers that are not afk`
`10:19.44`	`NivFreak`	`I think I'll have to bring more than our normal 7-8 healers`
`10:19.56`	`NivFreak`	`so much about bloodboil is asstastic`
`10:20.02`	`nevcairiel`	`In the early stages, we did bb with 9`
`10:20.04`	`Bruners`	`on afk nights we did it with 9 healers, on good nights 7`
`10:20.11`	`NivFreak`	`yea, we've done it`
`10:20.14`	`basslingo`	`lol, im my old guild we had a healer nicknamed "afk may"`
`10:20.14`	`NivFreak`	`it's just rocky`
`10:20.19`	`NivFreak`	`mage is pretty much always a wipe`
`10:20.38`	`cncfanatics`	`priests are cooler`
`10:20.45`	`NivFreak`	`we got one mage through one tonight`
`10:20.46`	`cncfanatics`	`especialy if its a healer :p`
`10:20.48`	`NivFreak`	`with a PS priest`
`10:20.49`	`NivFreak`	`hehe`
`10:20.51`	`[dRaCo]`	`they got inner fire :>`
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`10:20.55`	`NivFreak`	`but I don't think PS helps much at all`
`10:21.12`	`NivFreak`	`I had to smack some people tonight`
`10:21.19`	`NivFreak`	`priest trying to gheal themselves... wtf`
`10:21.34`	`Bruners`	`it helps to get hots up on the priest`
`10:21.43`	`[dRaCo]`	`works when you got a pally in the group`
`10:21.55`	`cncfanatics`	`NivFreak: lol`
`10:22.00`	`cncfanatics`	`if anything they should hot up & flash heal ? :p`
`10:22.03`	`cncfanatics`	`and bubble ofc`
`10:22.12`	`NivFreak`	`yes`
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`10:22.22`	`NivFreak`	`I started yelling a bit`
`10:22.25`	`Bruners`	`i miss raiding :(`
`10:22.34`	`NivFreak`	`fast heals == win`
`10:23.21`	`cncfanatics`	`Bruners: same`
`10:23.31`	`cncfanatics`	`which is why I rerolled recently and joined a reroll guild raiding in sept :D`
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`10:26.19`	`basslingo`	`anyone play on madoran?`
`10:31.35`	`cncfanatics`	`basslingo: never even heard of that server`
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`10:44.09`	`Orionshock`	`anyone know of an addon that shows the GCD on the cursor?`
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`10:52.43`	`winkiller`	`o_O`
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`10:57.14`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: I could write one if you want ?`
`10:57.16`	`cncfanatics`	`its pretty easy`
`10:57.24`	`Orionshock`	`humm...`
`10:57.40`	`Orionshock`	`well if i could figure out how to make a circle frame i would myself`
`10:58.18`	`cncfanatics`	`you don't make circle frames`
`10:58.23`	`cncfanatics`	`you make squares or rectangles`
`10:58.50`	`Orionshock`	`well u get my idea :P`
`10:59.04`	`Orionshock`	`i'd prolly have to load a texture that is a circle`
`10:59.18`	`cncfanatics`	`yea ofc you do`
`10:59.29`	`Orionshock`	`then there is that anchoring it to the mouse bit`
`10:59.34`	`cncfanatics`	`thats easy`
`10:59.41`	`cncfanatics`	`each OnUpdate get the cursor position`
`10:59.45`	`cncfanatics`	`and reanchor your frame`
`10:59.46`	`Orionshock`	`...`
`10:59.50`	`Orionshock`	`that's cheep`
`10:59.52`	`cncfanatics`	`(yes thats the only way to do it)`
`10:59.59`	`cncfanatics`	`how else would you do it then ? :p`
`11:00.04`	`Orionshock`	`oh?`
`11:00.05`	`cncfanatics`	`the mouse ain't a frame you can anchor to`
`11:00.14`	`Drundia`	`hmm`
`11:00.20`	`Drundia`	`position to GetCursorPosition()`
`11:00.24`	`Drundia`	`then :StartMoving()`
`11:00.28`	`Drundia`	`so it follows cursor`
`11:00.29`	`Orionshock`	`make a tooltip frame; anchor it to the tooltip; then mask it with a texture and a cd layer`
`11:00.35`	`cncfanatics`	`Drundia: no`
`11:00.41`	`cncfanatics`	`Drundia: there can only be one frame moving at once`
`11:00.45`	`winkiller`	`I'd so hate that on my mouse`
`11:01.01`	`cncfanatics`	`Drundia: and you don't want your addon to stop all other addons from having draggable frames rly`
`11:01.09`	`Orionshock`	`well, off set it a bit so it dosn't interfeer with stuff ; and only show it when the GCD is going on`
`11:01.17`	`cncfanatics`	`huh ?`
`11:01.24`	`cncfanatics`	`tooltip frames don't move to the mouse on their own`
`11:01.33`	`cncfanatics`	`one of your tooltip addons does that with the code I told you`
`11:01.53`	`Orionshock`	`cnc, im pritty sure u can anchor it to the mouse`
`11:02.02`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm pretty sure you can't`
`11:02.08`	`yoshimo`	`i have no idea how i should spend my talentpoints in wotlk , is there a source of good suggestions somewhere?`
`11:02.12`	`cncfanatics`	`let me look it up`
`11:04.30`	`Orionshock`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_SetOwner`
`11:06.08`	`winkiller`	`yoshimo: wotlk.wowhead.com?`
`11:06.26`	`winkiller`	`Orionshock: when in combat, I'm 99% in my GCD`
`11:06.59`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: ok, true`
`11:07.03`	`cncfanatics`	`I wonder how cheap it is`
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`11:10.08`	`Orionshock`	`shouldn't be that bad`
`11:10.52`	`Orionshock`	`blank tt frame; mount a single texture of a circle to it then layer it with a cooldownframe & violia you got it`
`11:11.22`	`yoshimo`	`i can see which talents are available but winkiller , i was looking for a complete built :)`
`11:11.46`	`winkiller`	`no clue, no one can tell at this point I guess`
`11:12.04`	`winkiller`	`the few people who played alpha.. I wouldn't trust em really to know everything :P`
`11:12.14`	`winkiller`	`I bet Elitistjerks will have a thread soon`
`11:12.49`	`yoshimo`	`yes its subject to change a lot`
`11:13.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`you know you're too attached to your cellphone when you slip it into your pocket to go answer your landline :/`
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`11:20.45`	`CIA-45`	`03StingerSoft * r79038 10Postal/ (Locales/ruRU.lua Postal.toc): Postal: - added ruRU translation (thx to Dr. Jet Cheshirsky)`
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`11:24.39`	`Orionshock`	`cncfanatics: where u gona tinker with that idea or ?`
`11:28.17`	`CIA-45`	`03Mera_LaCroisadeEcarlate * r79039 10EasyDND/ (7 files):`
`11:28.17`	`CIA-45`	`EasyDND:`
`11:28.17`	`CIA-45`	`-Added deDE localization (thanks to Xambian)`
`11:35.09`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: not immediatly`
`11:35.11`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm at work atm`
`11:35.21`	`cncfanatics`	`if you don't mind an untextured version i can do it right away`
`11:35.22`	`Orionshock`	`lol kk`
`11:37.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`lolfag`
`11:39.28`	`Vulcanus`	`fgt`
`11:39.42`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: I'll also use OnUpdate code`
`11:39.46`	`cncfanatics`	`cuz at least I know how it works :p`
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`11:43.37`	`Tamaroth`	`hello`
`11:45.10`	`Tamaroth`	`do you know if wowbench is gonna work with current wow API ?`
`11:45.16`	`Tamaroth`	`or it will spit errors ?`
`11:45.45`	`nevcairiel`	`wowbench hasn't been updated for a long time now`
`11:45.55`	`Tamaroth`	`touche :(`
`11:46.33`	`Tamaroth`	`is there any way to test/debug addons without wow itself ? :)`
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`11:47.38`	`Orionshock`	`luac -p ?`
`11:48.39`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock:`
`11:48.42`	`cncfanatics`	`do you want a spinner ?`
`11:48.47`	`cncfanatics`	`or just a textual countdown`
`11:49.08`	`Orionshock`	`spinner`
`11:49.26`	`Orionshock`	`& lol preferably the icon of the spell that caused the gcd :D`
`11:49.38`	`Orionshock`	`but i'll add that myself later`
`11:49.41`	`cncfanatics`	`why would you care about that ?`
`11:49.43`	`cncfanatics`	`thats useless info`
`11:49.47`	`cncfanatics`	`you don't care which spell triggered it rly`
`11:49.51`	`Orionshock`	`i do :P`
`11:49.55`	`cncfanatics`	`why would you ?`
`11:50.02`	`Orionshock`	`im ocd like that`
`11:50.16`	`Corveroth`	`If you're just spamming buttons and want to know what ability you just put on cooldown? =P`
`11:50.46`	`Tamaroth`	`Orionshock: that will parse it`
`11:50.58`	`Tamaroth`	`but i rather need some form of execution :)`
`11:51.00`	`Orionshock`	`Tamaroth: correct :D`
`11:51.16`	`Tamaroth`	`what a shame`
`11:51.27`	`Tamaroth`	`i have to use wow just to make it`
`11:51.46`	`Orionshock`	`Tamaroth: http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Ace3/RC1/tests/wow_api.lua`
`11:51.48`	`Tamaroth`	`blizz should give something to test/debug addons`
`11:52.00`	`Orionshock`	`then add some func() at the bottom and see what the debug spits out ?`
`11:52.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~day`
`11:52.42`	`purl`	`it has been said that day is saved again by... CAPTAIN PROTON! (corny theme music), or Thursday.`
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`11:56.46`	`NeoTron`	`been on a work call for the past 9 hrs!`
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`11:57.41`	`sb`	`call as in phone-call? :O`
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`11:59.46`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: http://www.pastey.net/92336`
`11:59.57`	`cncfanatics`	`that should do the job after you give the cooldown frame a pretty size`
`11:59.58`	`Orionshock`	`fighting supremus .. one sec`
`12:00.15`	`Orionshock`	`& now im dead`
`12:00.15`	`NeoTron`	`fun stuff`
`12:00.17`	`Orionshock`	`thanks cncfanatics`
`12:00.35`	`cncfanatics`	`Orionshock: don't fight supremus while I'm at work`
`12:00.49`	`cncfanatics`	`btw, you a druid?`
`12:02.03`	`Orionshock`	`yes`
`12:02.29`	`Orionshock`	`i've done some testing for you for ... ?Bar mod of yours`
`12:02.54`	`cncfanatics`	`flexbar ? :p`
`12:03.01`	`Orionshock`	`that one`
`12:03.07`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm loving it on my druid :p`
`12:03.11`	`cncfanatics`	`whats up with it ?`
`12:03.48`	`cncfanatics`	`actualy, let me reword that, what have you been testing ?`
`12:04.11`	`Orionshock`	`i don't use it tbh :]`
`12:04.52`	`Orionshock`	`im actualy considering if i can switch to BT4 with out much of a headache?`
`12:05.02`	`Orionshock`	`s/?/.`
`12:05.09`	`Orionshock`	`...`
`12:05.14`	`cncfanatics`	`well, you've done some testing on fb though ? :p`
`12:05.18`	`Orionshock`	`aye`
`12:05.46`	`cncfanatics`	`tell meh everything`
`12:06.00`	`Orionshock`	`you had some state issues that where acting weird`
`12:06.15`	`cncfanatics`	`got a code sample or savedvars to reproduce ?`
`12:06.35`	`Orionshock`	`no, you came to IRC LFT so i volenteered`
`12:06.53`	`CIA-45`	`03rabbit * r79040 10BigWigs/Plugins/Bars.lua: BigWigs: Bars: Get a reference to the Color and Test modules if they are loaded after the Bars module, and show the Test button as appropriate.`
`12:07.06`	`farmbuyer`	`Argh. Ran WAU a few minutes ago, now I keep getting "AceComm-2.0.lua:NNN: AceComm-2.0: AceComm-2.0 requires AceEvent-2.0". The specific addon and NNN line number keeps changing; if I disable the addon complaining, the error shows up again in another one. I have no idea what's actually wrong, since AceEvent-2.0 is sitting right there.`
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`12:07.32`	`Orionshock`	`farmbuyer: when in doubt install Ace2 from WAU`
`12:07.37`	`farmbuyer`	`I am.`
`12:07.40`	`cncfanatics`	`when in doubt, stop using WAU`
`12:07.52`	`cncfanatics`	`or at least use addons with externals built in`
`12:07.58`	`Orionshock`	`farmbuyer: http://ace.pastey.net and post your errors`
`12:09.01`	`farmbuyer`	`Externals are all turned on. The embedded libraries are actually there and unpacked. http://ace.pastey.net/92337 is the error, but I only get a single error before a stack overflow in the addon trying to display the backtrace.`
`12:09.39`	`farmbuyer`	`First shows up in LD50_abar. Disabling that and it moves to Automaton, then TankPoints, etc.`
`12:10.20`	`Orionshock`	`farmbuyer: get rid of ImprovedErrorFrame and install bugsack / bug grabber`
`12:11.00`	`cncfanatics`	`sounds like a bug in Ace :unsure:`
`12:11.17`	`winkiller`	`I like my ImprovedErrorFrame`
`12:11.17`	`Orionshock`	`cncfanatics: nope; good old fasion load sequence issue`
`12:11.26`	`Orionshock`	`winkiller: it's crap and we all know it :P`
`12:11.26`	`cncfanatics`	`eek, even worse`
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`12:11.30`	`farmbuyer`	`I hate bugsack. With a passion. I turned off IEF to see if I could get more errors, but the builtin popup only shows the one line (same as what I pasted).`
`12:11.43`	`cncfanatics`	`farmbuyer: and why exactly do you hate bugsack ?`
`12:11.46`	`cncfanatics`	`whats wrong with it ? :p`
`12:11.50`	`winkiller`	`Orionshock: it.. works.. for 2 years`
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`12:11.59`	`Orionshock`	`farmbuyer: well, truth is, that debug isn't useful..`
`12:12.43`	`farmbuyer`	`yes, I know, I've been swearing for about half and hour trying to figure out which embedded library is fucked up this timne.`
`12:13.08`	`Orionshock`	`how many ace addons do u run?`
`12:13.19`	`farmbuyer`	`was hoping somebody else had already run into it before giving up and hoping it gets fixed before the next raid`
`12:13.40`	`farmbuyer`	`a bunch. I just deleted them all and reinstalled from WAU, still broken.`
`12:14.05`	`Kuja^`	`~seen toadkiller`
`12:14.08`	`purl`	`toadkiller <n=dnester@adsl-75-18-176-106.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 36d 17h 23m 34s ago, saying: 'Or is it a mirage and they should actually be my two posts and not some noob's posts?'.`
`12:14.23`	`Orionshock`	`classically if you use more than ~15 ace addons you should disembed the libs`
`12:15.12`	`clad\|away`	`in your opinion`
`12:15.14`	`winkiller`	`mhm, I bet I have 40`
`12:15.19`	`clad\|away`	`there's been shown to have negligable gain`
`12:15.22`	`Orionshock`	`clad\|away: yes ...`
`12:15.25`	`clad\|away`	`especially when all the library versions are up to date`
`12:15.34`	`winkiller`	`if, clad, not when :)`
`12:15.37`	`clad\|away`	`don't`
`12:15.42`	`clad\|away`	`unless you have a compelling reason to do so`
`12:15.48`	`Orionshock`	`clad\|away: in this case i'd say try it; because the debug is useless`
`12:15.49`	`winkiller`	`I prefer embedded`
`12:15.52`	`Ellipsis`	`there's a huge gain in usability given the realistic likelihood that authors will fuck up their embeds`
`12:16.25`	`clad\|away`	`shrug`
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`12:16.57`	`clad\|away`	`I'm not going to argue.. but I am going to say that "disembedding" (which is the dumbest fucking word in the world that tekkub has EVER coined) is not something that "should" be done at any threshold`
`12:17.08`	`winkiller`	`hehe`
`12:17.13`	`cncfanatics`	`well , it can be handy to track down a problem`
`12:17.14`	`Orionshock`	`lol`
`12:17.15`	`clad\|away`	`however, it certainly can help when troubleshooting certain issues`
`12:17.18`	`cncfanatics`	`but its a last case imo`
`12:17.22`	`clad\|away`	`but for performance issues, fuck that`
`12:17.25`	`cncfanatics`	`yea ofc`
`12:17.27`	`clad\|away`	`that's just not true`
`12:17.27`	`winkiller`	`indeed`
`12:17.32`	`clad\|away`	`and i hate tekkub`
`12:17.33`	`clad\|away`	`srsly.`
`12:17.34`	`cncfanatics`	`won't increase anything but ur load time slightly`
`12:17.37`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`12:17.44`	`clad\|away`	`cncfanatics: and even worse, the gain is extremely slight`
`12:17.50`	`Ellipsis`	`in certain cases (admittedly far fewer than confused users would like to think) the performance gain is significant`
`12:17.55`	`clad\|away`	`the biggest hit people saw was FROM disembedding and not updating the .toc`
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`12:18.10`	`clad\|away`	`there was a signifigant hit each time wow tried to load a file that didn't exist`
`12:18.12`	`Ellipsis`	`for me, given a hard drive bottleneck, my load times were dramatically shorter`
`12:18.18`	`clad\|away`	`nod`
`12:18.33`	`clad\|away`	`okay, gotta run to the social security office =(`
`12:18.36`	`Ellipsis`	`glhfdd`
`12:19.01`	`farmbuyer`	`From a more immediate point of view, given "AceComm-2.0: AceComm-2.0 requires AceEvent-2.0", what kind of fuckup should I be looking for? An addon with missing files?`
`12:19.02`	`Vulcanus`	`I prefer standalone because it saves me disk space and because it's easier for changelog features like WAU to tell me just what was changed. but that's just me :)`
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`12:19.49`	`farmbuyer`	`There's an AceEvent-2.0.lua in each of the addons that are complaining, but that in itself might not mean anything, I dunno.`
`12:19.49`	`Orionshock`	`farmbuyer: it's a load sequence order tbh, Automation is a highly watched and maintained addon and isn't going to have a screwed setup... so it's got to be a load sequence issue`
`12:20.10`	`Orionshock`	`... could be the HD is too frag'ed and it's screwing with you :D`
`12:20.19`	`Ellipsis`	`....no.`
`12:20.23`	`Ellipsis`	`disregard Orionshock's stupidity`
`12:20.41`	`Orionshock`	`pift`
`12:20.42`	`farmbuyer`	`I suspect it's ld50_abar, that's the first one being reported in the chain when they're all enabled.`
`12:20.45`	`kenlyric`	`1. Automaton is not highly watched`
`12:20.45`	`Ellipsis`	`farmbuyer: if you continue to disable addons, eventually you will arrive at the real culprit (you'll be tracing backwards in the load order)`
`12:21.23`	`Orionshock`	`kenlyric: .. u think phanx would let it get borked? o.O`
`12:21.45`	`CIA-45`	`03StingerSoft * r79041 10AutoBar/ (AutoBar.toc Locale-ruRU.lua): AutoBar : added/updated ruRU translation`
`12:21.56`	`kenlyric`	`I certainly hope not`
`12:21.57`	`Orionshock`	`she might not be the author but she/he's watched over it for a while now IIRC :P`
`12:22.01`	`kenlyric`	`I rely on it!`
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`12:24.09`	`farmbuyer`	`hmmmm. FrameXML.log has http://ace.pastey.net/92340`
`12:24.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`plonks Ellipsis. Sideways.`
`12:24.33`	`cncfanatics`	`what Ellipsis said`
`12:24.36`	`Ellipsis`	`rawr`
`12:24.37`	`cncfanatics`	`keep disabling addons till it stops`
`12:25.25`	`farmbuyer`	`it's ld50_abar.`
`12:26.18`	Funkeh`	`addons still use acecomm2?`
`12:26.32`	`farmbuyer`	`at least, I can turn automaton/bartender/tankpoints/etc back on, and turn off ld50, and get a clean startup.`
`12:26.45`	`cncfanatics`	`farmbuyer: try with only ld on`
`12:27.13`	`cncfanatics`	`does it still error ?`
`12:27.29`	`farmbuyer`	`one sec, backing up WTF before that.`
`12:27.48`	`Ellipsis`	`so, potentially silly question, but what the heck is a ld50_abar?`
`12:28.40`	`cncfanatics`	`I used it at some point`
`12:28.43`	`cncfanatics`	`its an autoattack timer iirc`
`12:28.48`	`cncfanatics`	`don't see what comm would do in that`
`12:29.01`	`winkiller`	`LD50 is the lethal dosis of.. stuff to your body :P`
`12:29.06`	Funkeh`	`clearly you need acecomm2 for version checks`
`12:29.24`	`Ellipsis`	`exactly, winkiller - which makes it a rather odd choice for an addon name, don't you agree?`
`12:29.36`	`yoshimo`	`the bigwigs kalecgos module enables in magisters terrace as well. like the kaelthas module for both tk and mt does . is there a way to fix this?`
`12:30.03`	`nevcairiel`	`sure, get a LoD setup =P`
`12:30.04`	`winkiller`	`Ellipsis: why not? at least it's not WinWord...`
`12:30.47`	`Ellipsis`	`or WinKiller? :P`
`12:31.09`	`farmbuyer`	`gah. ld50_abar by itself loads fine. ld50 + anything else crashes. Everything else without ld50 works fine.`
`12:31.24`	`cncfanatics`	`then you have a conflict`
`12:31.30`	`cncfanatics`	`I outdated libs maybe ?`
`12:31.36`	`cncfanatics`	`remove the libs folder from ld50`
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`12:40.50`	`farmbuyer`	`sorry, distracted, gf's new kitten suddenly puking everywhere`
`12:41.02`	`Ellipsis`	`poor thing`
`12:42.37`	`Vulcanus`	`awww :(`
`12:43.07`	`farmbuyer`	`I'll try nuking the ld50 libs and seeing if that fixes it. There isn't an official ld50 thread on the forums that I could find, so if that turns out to be the problem I'm not sure where to report it. Thanks muchly for the time and help! Gonna have to debug it later, for now we have to find what the hell the little guy just ate... /afk`
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`12:43.40`	`Vulcanus`	`http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/funny-pictures-kitten-makes-a-mistake.jpg`
`12:52.05`	`farmbuyer`	`The gf was eating sashimi and left the room, three pieces are now missing. And there's a freshly-chewed hole in the sealed bag (!) of kitten treats, the bag is much lighter now. I think he's puked up about 8 times his own body weight by now but seems to not really mind.`
`12:52.07`	`CIA-45`	`03StingerSoft * r79042 10Postal/Locales/ruRU.lua: Postal: - Update locale ruRU`
`12:52.08`	`farmbuyer`	`anyhow.`
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`12:53.10`	`farmbuyer`	`that was it, bad libs in ld50.`
`12:53.25`	`farmbuyer`	`now it loads fine using the libs embedded elsewhere.`
`12:53.33`	`cncfanatics`	`told ya :)`
`12:54.03`	`farmbuyer`	`shrug not my addon, no skin off my nose :-)`
`12:55.05`	`farmbuyer`	`gotta go help clean up after the kitten, sigh.`
`12:55.47`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
`12:56.08`	`Ellipsis`	`am I the only person who skimmed all that and came to the conclusion "mmm, sashimi"`
`12:56.14`	`Josh_Borke`	`yea`
`12:56.40`	`Ellipsis`	`ah well`
`12:58.40`	`CIA-45`	`03darkimakuni * r79043 10FuBar_uClock/FuBar_uClock.toc:`
`12:58.40`	`CIA-45`	`FuBar_uClock`
`12:58.41`	`CIA-45`	`- Update TOC metadata`
`12:59.19`	`CIA-45`	`03darkimakuni * r79044 10TeamSqueak/ (LICENSE.txt README.txt TeamSqueak.toc):`
`12:59.19`	`CIA-45`	`TeamSqueak:`
`12:59.19`	`CIA-45`	`- Update TOC metadata and readme`
`12:59.48`	`CIA-45`	`03darkimakuni * r79045 10Visor2GUI/Visor2GUI.toc:`
`12:59.48`	`CIA-45`	`Visor2GUI:`
`12:59.48`	`CIA-45`	`- Update TOC metadata`
`13:00.50`	`EthanCentaurai`	`right thats enough spamming from me, time for lunch (damn you and your mentioning of sashimi.... mmm, sashimi...)`
`13:01.18`	`cncfanatics`	`never ate any`
`13:01.27`	`cncfanatics`	`should go get some :p though I do wonder where I'll get that`
`13:02.02`	`Stanzilla`	`I don't like raw meat/fish :(`
`13:04.07`	`cncfanatics`	`Stanzilla: you like raw men ? rawrr`
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`13:04.16`	`Stanzilla`	`only you!`
`13:04.27`	`cncfanatics`	`thats what I thought`
`13:04.28`	`cncfanatics`	`good girl`
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`13:05.37`	`Tamaroth`	`can StatusBar:SetValue(value) take a floating value ? ;-)`
`13:06.14`	`cncfanatics`	`Tamaroth: there is no such thing as floating or integer value in lua`
`13:06.16`	`cncfanatics`	`its all numbers`
`13:06.27`	`Tamaroth`	`oh`
`13:07.04`	`Tamaroth`	`so take a look:`
`13:07.07`	`Tamaroth`	`http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j16/radi3000/WoWScrnShot_072408_143312.jpg`
`13:07.31`	`Tamaroth`	`sndBar:SetValue(dura / maxTime)`
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`13:07.41`	`Tamaroth`	`so i'm a bit confused atm`
`13:08.23`	`Josh_Borke`	`Tamaroth: dura is nil when that is called`
`13:08.24`	`cncfanatics`	`dura is nil`
`13:08.26`	`cncfanatics`	`for some reason`
`13:08.30`	`Josh_Borke`	`that is what the error is saying exactly`
`13:08.38`	`Josh_Borke`	`and you can't divide nil by something`
`13:08.42`	`Tamaroth`	`hmm`
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`13:09.03`	`Tamaroth`	`shouldn't be!`
`13:09.15`	`Ellipsis`	`and there "shouldn't be" an error :P`
`13:09.21`	`Tamaroth`	`i'm not used to work without any form of debugger :(`
`13:09.25`	`Tamaroth`	`shhh :)`
`13:09.29`	`Tamaroth`	`i'm learning :)`
`13:09.56`	`cncfanatics`	`Tamaroth: get bugsack`
`13:10.14`	`Tamaroth`	`thing is, i'm doing it blindfolded atm, since i'm at work and i'm bored`
`13:10.21`	`Tamaroth`	`and i don't have access to wow :)`
`13:10.28`	`Tamaroth`	`friend is testing it for me :D`
`13:10.47`	`Ellipsis`	`well, we are generally helpful folk`
`13:10.57`	`Ellipsis`	`if you pastey the code you can probably con someone into helping you debug it :)`
`13:11.58`	`Tamaroth`	`http://pastebin.com/m447785a1`
`13:12.04`	`Tamaroth`	`this is the fragment with errors`
`13:12.23`	`Tamaroth`	`oh shit !`
`13:12.26`	`Tamaroth`	`now i see ;d`
`13:12.40`	`Tamaroth`	`return value ....`
`13:12.51`	`Tamaroth`	`well, you are indeed helpful :)`
`13:12.54`	`Josh_Borke`	`return nil!`
`13:13.14`	`Tamaroth`	`yup :)`
`13:13.26`	`Tamaroth`	`but i saw that when i've pasted it`
`13:14.40`	`Tamaroth`	`oh, and i'm using WoWAddonStudio, for some reason it adds 0xEF 0xBB 0xBF bytes at start of lua file ><`
`13:15.00`	`winkiller`	`0xCAFEBABE :P`
`13:15.30`	`Tamaroth`	`0xDEADBABE`
`13:15.31`	`Tamaroth`	`:D`
`13:15.45`	`cncfanatics`	`0xSTFY`
`13:15.53`	`Tamaroth`	`:(`
`13:15.57`	`Tamaroth`	`sorry`
`13:16.32`	`Gagorian`	`cncfanatics`
`13:16.36`	`Gagorian`	`Fix DrDamage with FB2`
`13:16.39`	`Gagorian`	`Someone complained`
`13:17.00`	`cncfanatics`	`Gagorian: I use it`
`13:17.06`	`cncfanatics`	`I haven't changed FB2 in over 3 months`
`13:17.11`	`cncfanatics`	`so the error ain't mine`
`13:17.20`	`cncfanatics`	`and my FB2 works fine with DrD`
`13:17.29`	`cncfanatics`	`Gagorian: would at least like an error message :p`
`13:18.23`	`Gagorian`	`http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/6491/`
`13:18.27`	`Gagorian`	`comment nr 2`
`13:18.34`	`winkiller`	`http://www.artima.com/insidejvm/whyCAFEBABE.html`
`13:18.55`	`Gagorian`	`cncfanatics: oh nevermind`
`13:18.56`	`Gagorian`	`I think he`
`13:19.01`	`Gagorian`	`'s just being an idiot`
`13:19.05`	`cncfanatics`	`tell him he's a tard`
`13:19.06`	`Gagorian`	`and doesn't use the tags`
`13:19.09`	`cncfanatics`	`the textsub is $(drd)`
`13:19.20`	`Gagorian`	`yeah`
`13:20.18`	`cncfanatics`	`no tooltip for macros is something fb2 lacks`
`13:20.22`	`cncfanatics`	`and which I should add right away rly`
`13:22.50`	`cncfanatics`	`could anyone commit a file for me ?`
`13:22.55`	`cncfanatics`	`to the svn`
`13:22.57`	`cncfanatics`	`no svn access here`
`13:23.20`	`cncfanatics`	`Gagorian: could you ? :p`
`13:23.23`	`cncfanatics`	`adding macro support for fb2`
`13:26.32`	`Zhinjio`	`Ackis: ping`
`13:32.14`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone around using fb2 and able to test some code for me ?`
`13:32.22`	`cncfanatics`	`(or someone that can install fb2 to test it)`
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`13:36.56`	`Dark_Elf`	`whats fb2?`
`13:37.48`	`Josh_Borke`	`flexbar2`
`13:37.52`	`Josh_Borke`	`a bar mod`
`13:37.53`	`Neya`	`I could probably do it cncfanatics.`
`13:39.05`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya: would be great`
`13:39.11`	`cncfanatics`	`do you have fb2 already ?`
`13:39.26`	`Neya`	`nah, but shouldn't take long to install it.`
`13:40.38`	`cncfanatics`	`please get it`
`13:40.42`	`cncfanatics`	`and also`
`13:40.49`	`cncfanatics`	`replace the file in Tooltip/Tooltip.lua`
`13:40.51`	`cncfanatics`	`by this one`
`13:41.40`	`cncfanatics`	`http://pastebin.com/d76d59b76`
`13:41.46`	`Daemona`	`whats the state of addons in the wtolk beta? is it copy paste current addons? or needs more fiddling?`
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`13:44.08`	`cncfanatics`	`Daemona: the entire secure state stuff got scrapped`
`13:44.14`	`Antiarc`	`Most need fiddling`
`13:44.17`	`cncfanatics`	`so any addon messing with unitframes, actionbuttons and the like needs rewriting`
`13:44.22`	`cncfanatics`	`all the others need fiddling`
`13:44.30`	`Daemona`	`suxx :X`
`13:44.32`	`Antiarc`	`If you want Chatter or MobSpells, those are updated, though. They're on WoWI and in Wowace branches`
`13:44.57`	`Daemona`	`na i guess mostly i need some unitframes that are not attached to the top left of my screen -.-`
`13:45.05`	`Daemona`	`but i will see once/if i get a key`
`13:45.09`	`erikh`	`cncfanatics: secure state == secure templates?`
`13:45.09`	`Antiarc`	`PitBull mostly works if you disable the auras module`
`13:45.23`	`cncfanatics`	`erikh: no`
`13:45.33`	`cncfanatics`	`erikh: secure templates are still there`
`13:45.40`	`erikh`	`ah, damn.`
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`13:45.59`	`erikh`	`wants to raid by hitting one and only one button`
`13:46.13`	`Vulcanus`	`roll a hunter`
`13:46.13`	`Daemona`	`play a destruction warlock?`
`13:46.14`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`13:46.16`	`Maldivia`	`play a hunter`
`13:46.19`	`erikh`	`heh`
`13:46.30`	`cncfanatics`	`destro lock works`
`13:46.35`	`cncfanatics`	`shadowbolt, shadowbolt, shadowbolt, shadowbolt, shadowbolt, shadowbolt, shadowbolt, shadowbolt, shadowbolt`
`13:46.38`	`erikh`	`yeah, I had a hunter I traded for then the asshat recalled it`
`13:46.48`	`erikh`	`steady shot over and over again`
`13:46.50`	`Daemona`	`well but only if you dont have to curse ... or the fight doesnt last too long`
`13:47.14`	`Daemona`	`bad word detected.... char trading? wtf`
`13:47.36`	`erikh`	`meh, if both parties are on the square about it I see no issue personally`
`13:47.44`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya ?`
`13:47.46`	`erikh`	`it's not like money is changing hands`
`13:47.48`	`erikh`	`but anyways.`
`13:47.52`	`Neya`	`heh, the way of configuring fb2 is so confusing when you haven't used it since the first flexbar.`
`13:48.14`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya: I can guide you through it if you want`
`13:48.17`	`erikh`	`nah, that's like healing hydross on my druid`
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`13:48.24`	`Neya`	`failing here to even get it to toss me any tooltips xD`
`13:48.34`	`Zhinjio`	`here's a weird thing`
`13:48.39`	`erikh`	`pretty much the only spell I can cast without getting yelled at by my raid leader (regardless if I pull or not) is healing touch`
`13:48.50`	`Zhinjio`	`I have a button on my frame that has no texture until its been pressed once.`
`13:49.09`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya: shld toss tooltips automaticly if there's something on the butto`
`13:49.12`	`cncfanatics`	`if it doesn't I messed up`
`13:49.48`	`Neya`	`gives zero tooltips, both with state true and false.`
`13:50.27`	`CIA-45`	`03mukha521 * r79046 10FuBar_MicroMenuFu/MicroMenuFu.lua:`
`13:50.27`	`CIA-45`	`FuBar_MicroMenuFu:`
`13:50.27`	`CIA-45`	`- HelpFrame fix (GM ticket one)`
`13:51.46`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya: managing ? :p`
`13:52.36`	`Neya`	`trying to get any kinds of tooltips here still. No errors, it shouldn't give any kind of message on success with changing them on/off, right?`
`13:53.20`	`cncfanatics`	`they're on by default`
`13:53.27`	`cncfanatics`	`if there's something on the button they should show`
`13:53.32`	`cncfanatics`	`did you replace the file I told you ?`
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`13:53.38`	`cncfanatics`	`if you did, then I messed up in my code :p`
`13:54.29`	`Neya`	`I did replace the code, aye.`
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`13:54.39`	`Zhinjio`	`ah, I figured it out.`
`13:54.57`	`Zhinjio`	`bad texture assignment for the disabled texture on the button`
`13:55.09`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya: seems I messed up then, god damn`
`13:55.24`	`Neya`	`ehh, seems that way as now I get the tooltips when I went back to the original.`
`13:56.02`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya: means I messed up in the new code :D`
`13:56.12`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmm, I wonder where`
`13:56.19`	`cncfanatics`	`can't test shit here -.-`
`13:56.30`	`cncfanatics`	`found it`
`13:56.38`	`cncfanatics`	`you should have got a lua error`
`13:56.41`	`cncfanatics`	`guess you got errors disabled ?`
`13:57.11`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya: try this one please http://pastebin.com/d588e97a8`
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`13:59.25`	`Neya`	`seems it was so that buggrabber stole my bugreports, but aye, the new code gives tooltips.`
`13:59.41`	`Neya`	`For most of the abilities and macros anyway :P`
`13:59.54`	`cncfanatics`	`"most" ?`
`14:00.21`	`Neya`	`no wait, that way my bad, seems I somehow turned off tooltips on buttons 13-24...`
`14:00.40`	`Neya`	`explains a few things, but 1-12 work normally.`
`14:00.59`	`cncfanatics`	`k k`
`14:01.02`	`cncfanatics`	`good`
`14:01.09`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya: can you commit my changes on the wowace svn ?`
`14:01.45`	`Neya`	`sadly I cannot, I got no clue about svn yet, and I don't have access to it either.`
`14:02.03`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmm, who could I anoy to do that`
`14:02.05`	`cncfanatics`	`Shirik !`
`14:04.25`	`Shirik`	`?`
`14:04.46`	`Shirik`	`gotta go`
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`14:07.18`	`Zhinjio`	`Ackis: got profession buttons working. Now to start hooking into your code.`
`14:10.34`	`Neya`	`I learned something more out of that though, don't have bugsack running without telling you about the errors...`
`14:11.34`	`cncfanatics`	`Neya: thanks for the help`
`14:11.36`	`CIA-45`	`03cncfanatics * r79047 10FlexBar2/Tooltip/Tooltip.lua: FlexBar2: Add macro support for tooltips (FINALY)`
`14:11.48`	`cncfanatics`	`first commit in, eh, ages :p`
`14:12.07`	`Neya`	`always something.`
`14:12.33`	`cncfanatics`	`its pretty finished anyway`
`14:12.38`	`cncfanatics`	`except for major features which i cba to add`
`14:12.50`	`Kuja^`	`cncfanatics: cia ran out of dsik space :P`
`14:12.58`	`cncfanatics`	`eh ?`
`14:13.10`	`Kuja^`	`s/si/is`
`14:13.27`	`cncfanatics`	`I got that`
`14:13.31`	`cncfanatics`	`but I still don't get what u mean :p`
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`14:13.47`	`Kuja^`	`thats why it took so long for CIA-45 :P`
`14:14.16`	`cncfanatics`	`it was instant`
`14:14.22`	`cncfanatics`	`the commit message that is`
`14:14.54`	`Kuja^`	`then i probaly misunderstood you :P`
`14:15.17`	`cncfanatics`	`yea, seems so :p`
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`14:28.14`	`Orphis`	`Are FuBar, ArkInventory and XPerl somewhat working in the beta ?`
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`14:32.16`	`cncfanatics`	`Orphis: fubar & ark shld work out of the box`
`14:32.20`	`cncfanatics`	`xperl needs some changes prolly`
`14:32.45`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert * r79048 10Parrot/Data/CombatEvents.lua:`
`14:32.45`	`CIA-45`	`Parrot:`
`14:32.45`	`CIA-45`	`- make Outgoing reactive skills more sane`
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`14:34.52`	`Orphis`	`What unitframe work well with the beta ?`
`14:35.48`	`cncfanatics`	`afaik, none`
`14:35.51`	`cncfanatics`	`but I could be wrong`
`14:35.57`	`cncfanatics`	`logging out, back in 1u30 when i'm home`
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`14:49.44`	`CIA-45`	`03LordFarlander * r79049 10LibLordFarlander-2.0/ (2 files in 2 dirs):`
`14:49.44`	`CIA-45`	`LibLordFarlander-2.0:`
`14:49.44`	`CIA-45`	`- Fixed Black Battlestrider item id`
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`14:55.11`	`Orphis`	`ArkInventory doesn't work... no registered option or frame showing, xperl doesn't work indeed...`
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`15:20.11`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert * r79050 10FuBar_WhoRollFu/Core.lua:`
`15:20.11`	`CIA-45`	`FuBar_WhoRollFu:`
`15:20.11`	`CIA-45`	`- fix saving settings`
`15:25.52`	`Thumps`	`is anyone here familiar with J Wow Updater crashing after updating a few mods?`
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`15:37.14`	`CIA-45`	`03Mera_LaCroisadeEcarlate * r79051 10EasyDND/EasyDND-Locale-deDE.lua:`
`15:37.14`	`CIA-45`	`EasyDND:`
`15:37.14`	`CIA-45`	`-Fixed deDE loc (thanks to Xambian)`
`15:37.20`	`winkiller`	`never had it crash`
`15:37.38`	`winkiller`	`actually I only use it because WAU completely stopped working at some point :P`
`15:39.43`	`Thumps`	`yeah, I was doing that until I added the line in my hosts file to get WAU working again. I doubt that'll be a good fix for WAU forever`
`15:40.04`	`winkiller`	`I doubt WAU crashes because of hosts issues :P`
`15:40.39`	`Thumps`	`when I added 24.129.136.26 wdnaddons.com to my hosts file WAU stops crashing`
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`15:46.38`	`winkiller`	`interesting...`
`15:47.39`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.tachyonsix.com/beta/WoWScrnShot_072408_084212.jpg`
`15:48.41`	`Zyndrome`	`"My own clone. Now neither of us will be virgins."`
`15:48.42`	`CIA-45`	`03hegarol * r79052 10AtlasLoot/ (Constants/constants.de.lua Core/Sets.lua):`
`15:48.42`	`CIA-45`	`AtlasLoot:`
`15:48.42`	`CIA-45`	`- minor bug fixed`
`15:50.17`	`Stanzilla`	`Antiarc: your future has no glaives! fail!`
`15:50.33`	`Antiarc`	`Future You whispers: Farewell, Adryne. Keep us alive and get some better equipment!`
`15:51.30`	`Matrix110\|`	`[Ammo] do you know about the 30 %d days bug in BetterInbox?`
`15:52.00`	`Matrix110\|`	`Time left is displayed like "number %d days" instead of "number days"`
`15:53.08`	`Chompers`	`Antiarc: Add a comment to the quest asking for 'future you' to be in full tier 7 gear`
`15:53.14`	`Chompers`	`that'd make it ever more awesome`
`15:53.18`	`Zyndrome`	`http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c179/king4x4/LOLOL.jpg`
`15:53.19`	`Zyndrome`	`o wtf`
`15:53.35`	`Matrix110\|`	`:D`
`15:53.47`	`ckknight`	`lol, Zyndrome`
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`16:05.52`	`Harshmage`	`Anyone know of a bar mod that works in the beta?`
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`16:06.20`	`[Liquidor]`	`~seen Mok`
`16:06.23`	`purl`	`mok <n=Miranda@drms-4d006297.pool.mediaWays.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 105d 37m 7s ago, saying: 'check if its in valid texture format'.`
`16:06.41`	`starlon`	`Anyone know what causes a tooltip to resize width?`
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`16:08.23`	`Vulcanus`	`GameTooltip:Show() does it, assuming your problem is that it won't correctly scale to width after addline'ing`
`16:09.25`	`starlon`	`Well, that's what I thought too. Now that I've added an extra single line below the one that usually resizes the tooltip's width, it doesn't resize.`
`16:13.23`	`Vulcanus`	`wat? Im saying that unless you call :Show() an extra time after you did all the :AddLine()'s, it'll not stretch the width beyond the width of the contents of :SetText()`
`16:15.23`	`starlon`	`Well, look at http://starlon.lyrical.net/images/before.jpg and after.jpg`
`16:15.48`	`starlon`	`I've done show after Talents line and after Targeting line as well`
`16:16.47`	`Vulcanus`	`oh, that's not the problem I was talking about XD`
`16:17.00`	`Vulcanus`	`I have no idea why it randomly decided to contract itself like that`
`16:17.49`	`Vulcanus`	`also l2update gem`
`16:17.49`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`16:17.53`	`starlon`	`It should resize though`
`16:18.02`	`starlon`	`bah I need to get rid of GEM`
`16:18.09`	`starlon`	`That addon annoys me`
`16:18.15`	`Vulcanus`	`how so`
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`16:18.25`	`starlon`	`I got it to keep track of my old guild's raiding`
`16:18.51`	`starlon`	`When you're afk GEM causes you to un-afk and afk again, repeating`
`16:19.25`	`CIA-45`	`03StingerSoft * r79053 10Cartographer/ (18 files in 15 dirs): Cartographer: Update locale ruRU`
`16:19.26`	`starlon`	`I guess cause it's sending stuff over the channel`
`16:19.29`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`16:19.42`	`Vulcanus`	`well gem3 is in open beta now, and its supposedly better`
`16:20.16`	`starlon`	`Also, I'm pretty sure I have the latest GEM from their website. >.>`
`16:20.24`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`16:20.31`	`Vulcanus`	`http://www.wowgem.fr/Downloads/details/id=3.html`
`16:20.35`	`Vulcanus`	`get da beta`
`16:20.38`	`starlon`	`I just installed the thing. It's been giving me the "Update your version" since I installed it.`
`16:20.45`	`starlon`	`k`
`16:21.03`	`Vulcanus`	`it probs wont work in conjunction with v2 but meh, details`
`16:21.04`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`16:21.17`	`starlon`	`bah @ tooltips`
`16:21.37`	`Vulcanus`	`tbh after.jpg is expected output`
`16:21.48`	`Vulcanus`	`no idea how you managed to right adjust half the text and get the spacing`
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`16:22.16`	`starlon`	`You mean in before.jpg?`
`16:22.35`	`Vulcanus`	`ye`
`16:22.37`	`starlon`	`GameTooltip:Show() does that, no?`
`16:22.52`	`starlon`	`Otherwise tooltips are pretty useless`
`16:22.55`	`Vulcanus`	`that does not automatically right adjust everything that comes after a colon`
`16:23.05`	`starlon`	`That's a double line`
`16:23.16`	`Vulcanus`	`o rely`
`16:23.42`	`starlon`	`The right fontstring is right adjusted`
`16:24.35`	`Vulcanus`	`I notice after.jpg the target thingy isn't right adjusted tho :p`
`16:24.59`	`Eritnull`	`There is here such who concerns to Ace Dev Team?`
`16:25.09`	`starlon`	`Yeah, that's a single line.`
`16:25.18`	`Vulcanus`	`there's your problem then`
`16:25.19`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`16:25.36`	`starlon`	`In a raid it'll span a few lines, so I wanted it compact`
`16:25.52`	`starlon`	`Why's that a problem?`
`16:26.33`	`Vulcanus`	`because it works when you don't have single-line lines after double-line lines`
`16:26.39`	`Vulcanus`	`ergo the latest addition is the problem`
`16:27.37`	`starlon`	`It's interesting that the Talents line gets added _after_ the Targeting line. But still, it should adjust`
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`16:30.16`	`Orphis`	`Aaaah, a flower merchant named Aerith`
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`16:30.47`	`fewyn`	`LOL`
`16:30.53`	`fewyn`	`seriously Orphis?`
`16:31.12`	`Orphis`	`Yes`
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`16:31.17`	`fewyn`	`xD`
`16:31.27`	`Orphis`	`There's one in Dalaran "Aerith Primrose"`
`16:31.33`	`fewyn`	`i find that more funny because i am in the middle of replaying FF7`
`16:31.55`	`starlon`	`Ok I fixed it by loading the Targeting module before the Text module.`
`16:36.26`	`CIA-45`	`03starlon * r79054 10StarTip/ (Modules/Targeting.lua StarTip.toc): StarTip: Add a Targeting module - shows on unit tooltips everyone in your raid who's targeting the unit.`
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`16:48.05`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert * r79055 10Parrot/Data/CombatEvents.lua:`
`16:48.05`	`CIA-45`	`Parrot:`
`16:48.05`	`CIA-45`	`- fix some missing totem-events`
`16:49.41`	`CIA-45`	`03sano * r79056 10/tags/LoggerHead-1.0/: LoggerHead: Tagging v1.0 in preparation for commiting v2.0`
`16:49.41`	`CIA-45`	`03Krevlorn * r79057 10FuBar_HonorFuPlus/ (4 files): FuBar_HonorFuPlus: Mod can toggle showing Marks of Honor totals on the FuBar.`
`16:51.55`	`CIA-45`	`03philosound * r79058 10Poppins/ (6 files in 5 dirs):`
`16:51.55`	`CIA-45`	`Poppins:`
`16:51.55`	`CIA-45`	`- Durations partial rewrite, still buggy though. Updated toc author ordering.`
`16:52.06`	`CIA-45`	`03starlon * r79059 10StarTip/Modules/Targeting.lua: StarTip: Wrap Targeting line`
`16:52.19`	`CIA-45`	`03sano * r79060 10/tags/LoggerHead/: LoggerHead: Following tag directory structure properly`
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`16:53.37`	`PaperGuy`	`Good afternoon. Is anyone here not afk?`
`16:53.54`	`ckknight`	`there's a lot of people about`
`16:53.55`	`ckknight`	`also,`
`16:53.55`	`ckknight`	`~ugt`
`16:53.56`	`purl`	`well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html`
`16:53.57`	`CIA-45`	`03sano * r79061 10/tags/ (LoggerHead/LoggerHead-1.0/ LoggerHead-1.0/): LoggerHead: Moving tag to appropriate directory`
`16:53.59`	`PaperGuy`	`Sweet!`
`16:54.51`	`PaperGuy`	`Well then, I've been schooled!`
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`16:55.13`	`ckknight`	`quite.`
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`16:55.53`	`PaperGuy`	`I've come seeking greater knowledge in the was of WowAce. Specificly the Cleanup WoW Saved Variables.`
`16:56.04`	`PaperGuy`	`*ways, not was`
`16:56.08`	`CIA-45`	`03jwensley2 * r79062 10MageAnnounce/MageAnnounce.lua:`
`16:56.08`	`CIA-45`	`MageAnnounce:`
`16:56.08`	`CIA-45`	`- bugfix`
`16:56.31`	`ckknight`	`what about em?`
`16:56.41`	`ckknight`	`cleaning em up code-wise or as a user?`
`16:56.46`	`PaperGuy`	`Where is the backup files stored when the feature is envoked?`
`16:56.53`	`ckknight`	`for WAU?`
`16:57.03`	`PaperGuy`	`Correct.`
`16:57.06`	`ckknight`	`shrugs`
`16:57.12`	`ckknight`	`probably should ask in #wau`
`16:57.19`	`PaperGuy`	`sigh`
`16:57.30`	`ckknight`	`we just make addons here`
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`16:58.12`	`PaperGuy`	`Gotcha. Thank you. Boy, look at the time, it's getting late...`
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`17:09.06`	`steev`	`god these stupid games that require directx 9.0c are retarded for not realizing 10 is > 9.0c`
`17:09.36`	`durcyn`	`because everyone has vista. okay.`
`17:10.49`	`ckknight`	`lua> return '9.0c' > '10'`
`17:10.50`	`lua_bot`	`ckknight: true`
`17:10.56`	`ckknight`	`steev: ^---`
`17:13.29`	`CIA-45`	`03sano * r79063 10LoggerHead/: LoggerHead: Moved to tags/LoggerHead/1.0`
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`17:17.51`	`CIA-45`	`03sano * r79064 10LoggerHead/: LoggerHead: Moved 2.0 to trunk. Add LDB support and uses Ace3`
`17:22.33`	`NivFreak`	`RoS Phase 1 w/ 1HP?`
`17:22.35`	`NivFreak`	`win!`
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`17:34.19`	`Saroz`	`what tooltip mod do you guys use? TinyTip seems to be dead in development again`
`17:34.39`	Funkeh`	`still using it`
`17:34.43`	Funkeh`	`probably until it breaks`
`17:34.55`	`Saroz`	`wish it had raid icons in it`
`17:35.04`	Funkeh`	`no thank you`
`17:35.11`	`ccKep`	`what's the earliest event that fires where skill-information is available? (PLAYER_LOGIN and PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD doesn't seem to work)`
`17:35.17`	VonhintenHOME`	`I replaced TinyTip with CowTip`
`17:35.25`	`Saroz`	`hate cowtip`
`17:35.28`	Funkeh`	`ccKep, PEW is usually the latest event`
`17:35.35`	VonhintenHOME`	`why? It does the same thing`
`17:35.35`	Funkeh`	`so I doubt it "doesn't work"`
`17:35.42`	VonhintenHOME`	`and supports dogtags to boot`
`17:35.47`	`ccKep`	`hm, have to recheck then`
`17:36.03`	`Saroz`	`dunno, it did some odd anchoring on my actionbar`
`17:36.10`	`Saroz`	`then i threw it out`
`17:36.43`	VonhintenHOME`	`You just have to change the anchor points for 2 tooltip frames`
`17:37.00`	`Saroz`	`I did, but it never worked like tinytip, so it felt odd`
`17:37.05`	`ccKep`	just read wowwiki @ Funkeh`, whats why I actually didn't tets PWE
`17:37.23`	VonhintenHOME`	`hmm, dunno, I got mine working exactly like I had tinytip working`
`17:37.30`	`ccKep`	`"Note: Player skills such as those available through GetNumSkillLines() and relatives does not appear to be available when this event or PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD fires during an actual player login from character-selection, as all the GetNumSkillLines()-function returns is 0 in those cases. When these events trigger from other reasons, such as zoning, the skill-related functions appear to work normally. "`
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`17:37.52`	Funkeh`	`then register player_login`
`17:37.56`	Funkeh`	`and stick an onupdate in it`
`17:37.56`	`Drundia`	`i think you need to open it yo show skills`
`17:37.59`	Funkeh`	`say 4-5 seconds`
`17:38.01`	`ccKep`	`thats the desc. from PLAYER_LOGIN ;)`
`17:38.05`	Funkeh`	`then do your stuff and nil it`
`17:38.07`	`ccKep`	`aye, delayed`
`17:38.43`	`Drundia`	`some stuff doesn't show during PEW, but rather during P_ALIVE/P_DEAD/P_GHOST`
`17:38.49`	`Drundia`	`like talents`
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`17:40.03`	Funkeh`	`man I love that secunia psi`
`17:40.09`	Funkeh`	`makes things so much more slackable`
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`17:45.13`	`sb`	`errr`
`17:45.18`	`sb`	`eu login servers down?`
`17:45.24`	`copystring`	`aye`
`17:45.35`	`spode-`	`yep :/`
`17:45.39`	`sb`	`sucks`
`17:45.48`	`ccKep`	`yay, once again`
`17:46.09`	`copystring`	`sucks when you want to log for raid tbh :\`
`17:47.21`	`ccKep`	`just logged in, just takes a few secs / mins`
`17:48.00`	`Trell_`	`yep`
`17:48.03`	`Trell_`	`took me a couple of cancels`
`17:48.06`	`Trell_`	`and retries`
`17:48.23`	`copystring`	`few mins ago i couldnt`
`17:48.29`	`ckknight`	`hey all, how's it going?`
`17:49.02`	`ccKep`	`fine, but yet to receive a beta key ^.^`
`17:49.22`	`ckknight`	`k, I need ideas`
`17:49.29`	`sb`	`for new addons? ;)`
`17:49.31`	`ckknight`	`what's your favorite supervillain?`
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`17:50.27`	`sb`	`mhhhm :o`
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`17:51.59`	`CrazyBenny_`	`Juggernaut!`
`17:51.59`	`Stanzilla`	`Ammo!`
`17:52.09`	`syeren`	`That Russian Guy.`
`17:52.11`	`syeren`	`OMEGA RED.`
`17:52.14`	`syeren`	`He is bad ass.`
`17:53.07`	`kappaccino`	`stfu charles stfu`
`17:53.18`	`ckknight`	`lol`
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`17:55.13`	`Harshmage`	`Joker.`
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`17:56.06`	`CIA-45`	`03Mera_LaCroisadeEcarlate * r79065 10AlarBGHelper/AlarBGHelper.lua:`
`17:56.06`	`CIA-45`	`AlarBGHelper`
`17:56.06`	`CIA-45`	`-Fixed the auto-thank on healing feature to ignore pets: the hunter's talent "spirit bond" makes the pet healing us, and so on, flooding of useless /thanks`
`17:56.11`	`ckknight`	`I have: Lex Luthor, The Joker, Doctor Horrible, Two-Face, Arthas, The Abomination, Juggernaut, Omega Red, Magneto`
`17:56.28`	`fewyn`	`what are we talking about?`
`17:56.48`	`ckknight`	`fewyn: making a poll: Favorite Supervillain`
`17:57.41`	`Chompers`	my favourite is Funkeh`
`17:57.54`	Funkeh`	`wtf`
`17:58.08`	`ckknight`	`I'm contemplating putting myself on the list`
`17:58.11`	`ckknight`	`for sheer hilarity.`
`17:58.14`	`Drundia`	`Arthas isn't villain, he's almost saint`
`17:58.48`	`AckisWork`	Funkeh` isn't a supervillian, he's a princess!
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`17:59.24`	Funkeh`	`wtf?`
`17:59.31`	`AckisWork`	`:D`
`17:59.37`	`AckisWork`	ilu Funkeh`
`17:59.52`	`Stanzilla`	`Ammo is a supervillian...`
`17:59.53`	`Drundia`	oh, princess Funkeh`, will you marry me?
`18:00.03`	Funkeh`	`WTF!?`
`18:00.19`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`18:00.19`	`Stanzilla`	Drundia: Funkeh` is mine, sorry.
`18:00.29`	`Drundia`	`ok :(`
`18:00.38`	`AckisWork`	lol poor Funkeh` getting traded around
`18:00.54`	`ckknight`	`okay, made the poll`
`18:00.58`	`ckknight`	sorry, Funkeh`, you're not on it
`18:01.00`	`ckknight`	`http://www.curseforge.com/polls/favorite-supervillain/`
`18:01.02`	`Drundia`	it seems Funkeh` is a bit shy of this amount of attention
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`18:01.24`	`AckisWork`	`he's blushing irl`
`18:01.35`	`kenlyric`	`oh god, don't let this get reported on whedonesque`
`18:01.51`	`kenlyric`	`they completely overpowered the superhero deathmatch`
`18:02.10`	Funkeh`	`I think I'd rather have Drundia`
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`18:02.15`	Funkeh`	`name is cooler`
`18:03.19`	`Stanzilla`	`:<`
`18:03.35`	`AckisWork`	`Stanzilla: play the 3-some card!`
`18:04.26`	`Drundia`	`now i can tell everyone that my name is cooler :>`
`18:04.46`	`ckknight`	`okay, 5 people voted for me already`
`18:04.51`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`18:04.58`	`profalbert`	`heh`
`18:05.32`	Funkeh`	`can someone help a poor colorblind guy out`
`18:05.33`	Funkeh`	`http://i31.tinypic.com/2yjplc0.jpg`
`18:05.37`	Funkeh`	`where does that line end`
`18:05.55`	`ckknight`	`in the southwest`
`18:06.06`	Funkeh`	`south of ungoro or before?`
`18:06.06`	`ckknight`	`below Un'Goro`
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`18:06.17`	Funkeh`	`okay, thanks`
`18:06.23`	`ckknight`	`south of the east side of Un'Goro`
`18:06.41`	Funkeh`	`thanks :)`
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`18:06.53`	`Dashkal`	`Why is that line telling you to go there? It's a _long_ swim out that way...`
`18:06.57`	`Drundia`	`i swam all the way to southwest edge of kalimdor a few days ago`
`18:07.06`	`Drundia`	`there was like great shark`
`18:07.12`	`Drundia`	`level 52 elite`
`18:07.16`	`Drundia`	`around that line end`
`18:07.44`	Funkeh`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4665456774&sid=1&pageNo=1`
`18:07.49`	Funkeh`	`cool places thread`
`18:08.07`	`Megalon`	Funkeh`: it leads to the huts south of silithus
`18:09.00`	`Megalon`	`nice place to place chars of friends and destroy their hearthstone :P`
`18:09.09`	Funkeh`	`hehe`
`18:09.30`	`ckknight`	`I wonder if I can get my mom to send me a photo of me dressed up as Sneaky C... it's basically just a yellow fabric cape I wore when I was 8`
`18:10.03`	`Drundia`	`that lijne actually should lead way more`
`18:10.20`	`Drundia`	`it's really southwest edge of kalimdor`
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`18:11.02`	Funkeh`	`Drundia, the camp?`
`18:11.30`	`Drundia`	`yes tauren farm`
`18:11.49`	`Drundia`	`also an exmpty cave just east of it`
`18:13.18`	`Drundia`	`it might actually be less swimming from feralas than from tanaris`
`18:13.55`	`CIA-45`	`03Copystring * r79066 10YurrCombatLog/ (Config.lua Core.lua Locale-enUS.lua Minimap.lua):`
`18:13.55`	`CIA-45`	`YurrCombatLog:`
`18:13.55`	`CIA-45`	`- added example lines to tooltips for easier identifying`
`18:13.55`	`CIA-45`	`- more improvements to locale and fix for drains`
`18:13.55`	`CIA-45`	`- added Spellsteal and Dispel failed to events`
`18:14.34`	`ckknight`	`damn, whoever voted for me on the poll, your votes were lost`
`18:15.07`	Funkeh`	`Drundia, thanks :>`
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`18:22.15`	`kappaccino`	`Drundia, I've been down there before`
`18:24.17`	`kappaccino`	`me and friend swam away from there going east before we ended up in one of those bug caves`
`18:24.52`	Funkeh`	`p3lim, a copy of?`
`18:25.13`	`p3lim`	Funkeh`: ?
`18:25.21`	Funkeh`	`the addon got deleted before I read your comment`
`18:25.39`	Funkeh`	`the one on wowi`
`18:26.10`	`p3lim`	`The author posted a part-modified copy/paste of the discontinued and outdated addon DurabilityCount`
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`18:26.28`	`p3lim`	`well.. he ripped out the main func without cleaning up the missing holes, just.. wrong`
`18:26.58`	`p3lim`	`no idea if the addon worked or not, but it was not his work atleast`
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`18:29.11`	`p3lim`	`so i reported him and poof hes gone`
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`18:35.37`	`Arrowmaster`	Funkeh`: did you see http://groups.google.com/group/wowace/browse_thread/thread/c32966aa27b6e1df?hl=en
`18:36.11`	Funkeh`	`yeah`
`18:36.21`	Funkeh`	`not quite sure what he wanted but anyway`
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`18:46.06`	`CIA-45`	`03jncl * r79067 10Baddiel/Baddiel.lua: Baddiel: Code Tidyup`
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`18:46.20`	`Kulaar`	`http://www.mogulus.com/teguild <- if someone wants beta streaming^^`
`18:48.23`	`Kulaar`	`ahh have to raid now sry xD`
`18:49.11`	`Dashkal`	`Tease!`
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`18:53.51`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r79068 10StatBlock_FPS/StatBlock_FPS.lua: StatBlock_FPS: tweak`
`18:53.52`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r79069 10StatBlock_Latency/ (. Libs/ StatBlock_Latency.lua StatBlock_Latency.toc): StatBlock_Latency: cleanups`
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`18:57.52`	`CIA-45`	`03adirelle * r79070 10CastYeller/CastYeller.toc: CastYeller: added BS, SpellEventLib in OptDeps in hope that WAU handles them properly.`
`18:58.32`	`Vulcanus`	`why would anyone want BabbleSpell anymore lol`
`18:59.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`because they dont know what theyre doing`
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`18:59.30`	Funkeh`	`spelleventlib?`
`18:59.36`	Funkeh`	`I thought I deleted that about a year and a half ago`
`19:00.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`PayPal sucks donkeyballs :<`
`19:00.30`	`Vulcanus`	`hm I might go find out what addon is using BS-3.0`
`19:00.44`	`profalbert`	`grid`
`19:00.50`	`Vulcanus`	`I dont use that`
`19:01.01`	`Primer`	`ckknight: Could you please take a brief look at this: http://jira.wowace.com/browse/PB-419 then perhaps tell me 1) Would this be relatively easy to fix, and 2) What file/function I should start with, as I intend to fix it myself, provided it's simple enough`
`19:01.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`BS-3.0?`
`19:01.14`	`CIA-45`	`controlfreak: 03Tekkub 07master * r3899cd5 10/ (Config.lua ControlFreak.toc): Add AddonLoad LDB launcher field`
`19:01.38`	`ckknight`	`Primer: relatively easy, handled in the main file`
`19:01.56`	`Vulcanus`	`speaking of libraries; is there a library that caches all known spells in the spellbook indexed by spellID? I built my own such function for a mod Im writing, but if a lib handles it then there's no sense in duplicating data for somebody who also runs said library`
`19:01.58`	`Lysithea`	`is it Shadowed in this chan developing sspvp?`
`19:02.03`	`Primer`	`ckknight: thanks`
`19:02.09`	`CIA-45`	`panda: 03Tekkub 07master * rf1b0953 10/ Panda.toc : Add AddonLoader LDB launcher field`
`19:03.39`	`Pneumatus`	`Vulcanus: specifically just your own spells, or all spells?`
`19:03.49`	`Vulcanus`	`own spells from our own spellbook`
`19:05.03`	`Vulcanus`	`I need it because I'm hiding/showing certain menus and buttons based on what spells/skills a player has learned`
`19:05.38`	`Pneumatus`	`not that i can recall, but it may exist`
`19:06.13`	`Vulcanus`	`wau search failed to deliver, so I guess the demand for it is not great enough to make it worth it`
`19:06.24`	`Vulcanus`	`I don't want to make something like LibVulcanus XD`
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`19:08.15`	`AckisWork`	`Vulcanus: share your search function please? :)`
`19:08.30`	`Vulcanus`	`you want the cache generation and lookup code?`
`19:09.03`	`AckisWork`	`yes, I use it kinda in ARL right now and a future mod will use it extensively`
`19:09.07`	`Vulcanus`	`its in a file in /branches/ atm, Ill go pick it out`
`19:09.36`	`AckisWork`	`do I have your formal permission to use it? ;)`
`19:09.49`	`Vulcanus`	`ofc :)`
`19:10.00`	`AckisWork`	`SCREENSHOTTED! haha`
`19:10.50`	`Vulcanus`	`hehe, by all means ^^ maybe we should make it into a library after all`
`19:11.50`	`AckisWork`	`well for ARL I'd use it to get profession specialties (ie: elixir mastery) which is in the general tab, eventually mounts/pets will be in the spellbook too`
`19:12.25`	`Vulcanus`	`oh you only need the spellbook parsing and searching then`
`19:12.27`	`clad\|away`	`and of course elsia hasn't been on IRC for 30 days`
`19:12.47`	`AckisWork`	`brb work stuff`
`19:12.59`	`Vulcanus`	`though if we were to make it into a lib, there could just be a search function within the generated cache`
`19:13.04`	`clad\|away`	`so I'm sure we'll have to continue this squabble via forums =/`
`19:13.13`	`sb`	`ckknight: and whats the evil addon you are coding? :p`
`19:13.27`	`ckknight`	`what's evil?`
`19:13.44`	`ckknight`	`I'm not coding anything evil right now`
`19:13.46`	`ckknight`	`well, hacking on curse.com`
`19:13.49`	`ckknight`	`that's reasonably evil.`
`19:14.27`	`sb`	`well - that supervillain name poll sounds like some name-finding for one of your addons`
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`19:17.13`	`ckknight`	`no, the poll is completely pointless.`
`19:17.26`	`sb`	`oh okay`
`19:17.33`	`ckknight`	`just there for fun`
`19:18.06`	`Vulcanus`	`AckisWork: http://ace.pastey.net/92380 - if you need the full cache function for the future mod then we can talk about making it into a lib - you probs know more about that than me`
`19:20.18`	`ckknight`	`Primer: part of me wants to do a complete rewrite of PitBull, like I did with Cartographer`
`19:20.32`	`ckknight`	`not sure what I'd do different, though, haven't thought about it much`
`19:24.29`	`dafire`	`btw is there a official parrot after 2.4 ? :9`
`19:25.00`	`profalbert`	`for a stable version http://wow.curseforge.com/projects/parrot`
`19:25.01`	`fewyn`	`git and github are confusing`
`19:25.20`	`dafire`	`thx`
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`19:25.38`	`Primer`	`ckknight: I've been looking at the code...I don't blame you`
`19:25.59`	`Primer`	`perhaps add more comments? :)`
`19:26.06`	`ckknight`	`yes, that'd be one thing`
`19:26.23`	`ckknight`	`but I want to try a tactic for coding on a project`
`19:26.30`	`ckknight`	`PitBull might work for it`
`19:26.33`	`profalbert`	`dafire: but you're welcome to try the latest version from wowace`
`19:34.02`	`NivFreak`	`I love that WWS never records kills for RoS`
`19:34.44`	`Primer`	`ckknight: so, I just found out it actually does NOT require a reloadui, but simply selecting the profile and going into config mode`
`19:35.06`	`Primer`	`and exiting config mode...and the profile is entirely swapped out`
`19:35.21`	`ckknight`	`Primer: yea, the issue is that it should reposition at :OnProfileEnable (or something like that), but it doesn't`
`19:35.26`	`ckknight`	`if you implement that part, it'll work`
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`19:37.05`	`AckisWork`	`Vulcanus: thanks, the caching would be nice as well so I don't have to do the search multiple times (good idea imo)`
`19:37.06`	`Primer`	`yeah, I was looking at OnProfileEnable`
`19:37.12`	`Primer`	`but everything seems to be there`
`19:37.24`	`Primer`	`the only way I an effectively test this is to afk in AV...`
`19:38.14`	`Vulcanus`	`AckisWork: Well since there's a finite number of specialisations you could possibly be searching for, you could just store them manually in a table`
`19:38.14`	`dafire`	`updated my homeserver.. now it uses 45% of the previous power and is at least 150% faster .9`
`19:38.51`	`Vulcanus`	`Ill just toss the raw code in a pastebin, shouldnt be hard to figure out`
`19:38.52`	`Bruners`	`is there a way to force saving variables when wow is running?`
`19:39.02`	`dafire`	`Bruners, /console reloadui`
`19:39.02`	`Primer`	`So yesterday I enchanted this dude's gloves to add +15 spell hit rating`
`19:39.07`	`AckisWork`	`Vulcanus: ty`
`19:39.16`	`Vulcanus`	`http://ace.pastey.net/92383`
`19:39.19`	`Bruners`	`that saves it?`
`19:39.26`	`Primer`	`then I noticed they were pvp gloves...but he was still in greens, so I figured it wasn't for pvp`
`19:39.43`	`Vulcanus`	`basically the "tbl" variable is a set of 3 LPT lists, I just included it to show how the spelllist is populated`
`19:39.48`	`Primer`	`spell hit does nothing for pvp, right?`
`19:39.51`	`dafire`	`Bruners, yes.. it saves them and then reloads them .. like a short logoff .)`
`19:40.24`	`Vulcanus`	`Primer: you need about half the spell hit you do for pve to 100% hit lv70 targets`
`19:40.40`	`Primer`	`ckknight: ok, I have verified 100% that changing a profile while in a raid does nothing to affect the existing layout`
`19:40.51`	`Vulcanus`	`because it scales with level, and all raid bosses are considered lv73 in terms of hit mechanics`
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`19:40.57`	`ckknight`	`Primer: right.`
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`19:41.06`	`Primer`	`Vulcanus: so spell hit helps?`
`19:41.12`	`Vulcanus`	`to a degree yes`
`19:41.19`	`CIA-45`	`03funkydude * r79071 10StatBlock_Latency/ (StatBlock_Latency.lua StatBlock_Latency.toc): StatBlock_Latency: tweak text`
`19:41.25`	`Vulcanus`	`Ill find the details`
`19:41.43`	`Primer`	`ckknight: and going into config mode WHILE IN A RAID doesn't change it`
`19:41.48`	`Vulcanus`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_hit#Spell_hit_rating_caps_for_level_70`
`19:41.51`	`Primer`	`whereas, if I'm not actually in a raid, it does`
`19:42.22`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`19:43.04`	`CIA-45`	`03hegarol * r79072 10AtlasLoot/ (5 files in 3 dirs):`
`19:43.04`	`CIA-45`	`AtlasLoot:`
`19:43.04`	`CIA-45`	`- removed class breakdown for AQ40 sets`
`19:43.46`	`CIA-45`	`03hegarol * r79073 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/ (BattlegroundPvP.en.lua sets.en.lua):`
`19:43.46`	`CIA-45`	`AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP`
`19:43.46`	`CIA-45`	`- removed class breakdown for AQ40 sets`
`19:48.07`	`NivFreak`	`can someone please write a WWS replacement`
`19:48.12`	`NivFreak`	`I will pay the same dues for it`
`19:48.15`	`NivFreak`	`if it just fucking works`
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`19:52.20`	`ccKep`	`NivFreak: http://stasiscl.googlecode.com << does the job rather good, although not as easy/fast as wowwebstats.com`
`19:53.53`	`NivFreak`	`hrmm`
`19:53.56`	`NivFreak`	`looking much better`
`19:54.10`	`NivFreak`	`still need boss splitting ;)`
`19:55.27`	`ccKep`	`it does boss splitting`
`19:55.30`	`ccKep`	`atleast it did`
`19:55.32`	`ccKep`	`when I tried it`
`19:55.55`	`ccKep`	`but it creates static .html for everything :(`
`19:56.40`	`ShaneSveller`	`ckknight: sorry for the time warp but i just caught up after being away from my desk. you mentioned wanting to try a new "tactic" and that pitbull might be a good candidate. might i ask for a little bit more detail?`
`19:56.56`	`ckknight`	`ShaneSveller: sure, hang on a minute`
`19:59.09`	`NivFreak`	`I want an offline threat parser`
`19:59.15`	`NivFreak`	`so I can step through each line of a log file`
`19:59.19`	`NivFreak`	`and see the threat status`
`19:59.54`	`NivFreak`	`is that possible?`
`19:59.55`	`CIA-45`	`03ckknight * r79074 10PitBull/PitBull.lua: PitBull - through massive, horrible hacks, make profile changes just destroy everything and recreate, fixing a lot of issues.`
`20:00.03`	`ckknight`	`Primer: there`
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`20:00.20`	`NivFreak`	`ckknight: should I be worried about that commit? :P`
`20:00.29`	`ckknight`	`the world shall tremble!`
`20:00.34`	`Dashkal`	`mmm, I love it when that word shows up in a commit log...`
`20:00.35`	`ulic`	`yea, sounds scary :)`
`20:00.37`	`Diskmaster`	`<World> explode`
`20:00.43`	`Harshmage`	`ck, that's just an awesome note to that commit.`
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`20:06.54`	`ShaneSveller`	`anyone have fairly intimate knowledge of the ports and stuff that wow uses? i've opened the apparently-correct ports in my work firewall according to a blizz support page, but my login just sits at "connecting..."`
`20:08.30`	`sb`	`ccKep: but its _really_ slow :p`
`20:08.40`	`ccKep`	`yep, thats true`
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`20:09.01`	`Primer`	`ckknight: I love you`
`20:10.37`	`ShaneSveller`	`ckknight: haven't forgotten me, i hope =)`
`20:11.20`	`jy__`	`ShaneSveller: you dont need port redirection`
`20:11.39`	`jy__`	`you need to allow outbound tcp 3724`
`20:11.56`	`ckknight`	`ShaneSveller: trying to find the article, I lost it :-(`
`20:12.17`	`ShaneSveller`	`jy__: i have 3724 in/out on tcp and udp both, along with the high 6000 ports for the downloader just in case`
`20:12.37`	`jy__`	`what kind of firewall is it ?`
`20:12.55`	`ShaneSveller`	`jy__: still no dice. maybe i need to blanket-allow all traffic to the Blizz IPs? it's ms ISA, 2003 or 2000`
`20:13.13`	`jy__`	`mmh dont know this firewall`
`20:13.20`	`Primer`	`you only need 3742 udp`
`20:13.27`	`jy__`	`if it is stateful it should work`
`20:13.28`	`kenlyric`	`you're establishing the connection, I can't imagine why your firewall would block it.`
`20:13.43`	`jy__`	`its tcp`
`20:14.00`	`ShaneSveller`	`the support page mentioned both tcp and udp, just to clarify`
`20:14.47`	`ShaneSveller`	`ckknight: what did it have to do with? some kind of programming technique?`
`20:14.53`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`20:15.04`	`ckknight`	`it was basically an extreme guide to follow that no sane person would`
`20:15.25`	`ckknight`	`e.g. no more than one level of indentation per function, no else statements, etc.`
`20:16.09`	`Primer`	`and it's 3724, btw`
`20:16.22`	`ShaneSveller`	`ckknight: interesting`
`20:16.26`	`Primer`	`(Yes, I know...I fat fingered it)`
`20:16.29`	`ckknight`	`there were 6 points`
`20:17.12`	`ShaneSveller`	`I don't want to play during my shift, i just want to be able to briefly test dry-coded addons (aka I want to code during my shift)`
`20:17.17`	`Dashkal`	`no else statements? O.o`
`20:17.54`	`ckknight`	`and like, no more than 10 lines per function`
`20:17.56`	`ckknight`	`other stuff`
`20:18.03`	`ckknight`	`I wish I had the link`
`20:19.01`	`Dashkal`	`That sounds like a mess... Rules like that hinder the ability to design well. Also sounds like the language is no longer capable of expressing quite a few things`
`20:19.17`	`ckknight`	`the point is to force you to think differently`
`20:20.55`	`Dashkal`	`uhhh, have fun with that :p`
`20:21.31`	`ShaneSveller`	`found the issue with the firewall. had all the right ports but what ISA calls the "primary port" was the wrong one =P`
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`20:23.16`	`Primer`	`yeah, it actually is TCP`
`20:23.26`	`ShaneSveller`	`no UDP ports required`
`20:23.41`	`ShaneSveller`	`except for the downloader`
`20:23.47`	`Primer`	`right`
`20:24.08`	`Primer`	`but that's bittorrent anyhow, it should be able to punch through your firewall`
`20:24.14`	`Primer`	`unless it's overly restrictive`
`20:24.22`	`ShaneSveller`	`here's to hoping my supervisor doesn't actually know the ports for the mercurial scm by heart =P`
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`20:27.28`	`ShaneSveller`	`ckknight: would you say that pitbull is structured in such a way that another author like myself could make external function calls to configure the UFs programatically?`
`20:27.49`	`Primer`	`Is there a trac or something for browsing wowace svn?`
`20:28.26`	`Dashkal`	`fish.wowace.com`
`20:28.27`	`ShaneSveller`	`similar to the way mazzlefizz configures DUF and all the rest of his compilation (but hopefully without the drama)`
`20:28.30`	`Primer`	`Dashkal: thanks`
`20:29.20`	`ckknight`	`ShaneSveller: sorta. really depends on what you're trying to accomplish`
`20:29.40`	`ckknight`	`if you want to position things, there's no real good API for that, if you want to manage what is on a particular frame, that's easy with the layout system`
`20:29.57`	`ShaneSveller`	`just to size and arrange the various frames based on whether you're playing a 16x10 versus 4x3 resolution, so yeah, the first one`
`20:30.45`	`profalbert`	`shanesveller: you are switching between 16:10 and 4:3?`
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`20:31.07`	`ShaneSveller`	`not personally, but not everybody is on the widescreen bandwagon yet`
`20:31.31`	`ulic`	`not that it matters, but isn't it 16:9?`
`20:31.58`	`profalbert`	`ulic: most LCDs for computers and laptops are 16:10`
`20:32.06`	`profalbert`	`like 1280x800 and 1680x1050`
`20:32.07`	`ulic`	`hmm, interesting.`
`20:32.10`	`ulic`	`didn't know that.`
`20:32.13`	`ShaneSveller`	`for example i personally play at 1680x1050`
`20:32.18`	`profalbert`	`me2`
`20:32.30`	`Dashkal`	`1440x900`
`20:32.44`	`Primer`	`ShaneSveller: that'll be great`
`20:33.02`	`Dashkal`	`lua> (1440/900)*9`
`20:33.02`	`lua_bot`	`Dashkal: 14.4`
`20:33.06`	`Dashkal`	`lua> (1440/900)*10`
`20:33.07`	`lua_bot`	`Dashkal: 16`
`20:33.22`	`Primer`	`because I often import the SavedVariables/PitBull.lua from my main machine (4:3) onto my laptop (16:9)`
`20:33.30`	`ulic`	`wonder why they went with that dimension, since tvs are 16:9, or so I thought they were.`
`20:33.47`	`ShaneSveller`	`not sure, my TV runs 1280x768 i believe`
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`20:33.54`	`ShaneSveller`	`720p`
`20:34.05`	`Primer`	`and I end up having to move the UFs around afterwards`
`20:34.09`	`harldephin`	`oh what's that add-on listing combined stats of my items called again..`
`20:34.16`	`AckisWork`	`rating buster?`
`20:34.18`	`harldephin`	`oh never mind.. i've got it`
`20:34.22`	`harldephin`	`yeah, that's it`
`20:34.33`	`ckknight`	`in any event, I do want to revamp PitBull, likely from scratch`
`20:34.37`	`ckknight`	`one day, though`
`20:34.39`	`ckknight`	`probably not soon`
`20:34.59`	`harldephin`	`i wonder if there's an add-on called Revamp already`
`20:35.01`	`ShaneSveller`	`ckknight: any pointers where to start looking if i was going to try anyway? or should i try to bypass it and forge the SVs`
`20:35.14`	`AckisWork`	`ckknight: call it PitBull: Pig version`
`20:35.19`	`ckknight`	`no, AckisWork`
`20:35.27`	`AckisWork`	`awww`
`20:35.29`	`ckknight`	`it'd be PitBull4`
`20:35.43`	`ckknight`	`or something different entirely`
`20:35.51`	`AckisWork`	`ohh Pitbull Cat Version`
`20:35.55`	`ckknight`	`ckUF Enterprise Edition (For Kids!)`
`20:35.58`	`AckisWork`	`wonders if anyone gets that joke`
`20:36.42`	`ShaneSveller`	`i could get behind ckUF. none of this enterprise crap though. enterprise is slow and costly. you want....spritely!`
`20:36.52`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`20:37.01`	`genetik-`	`fuCK - Framed Units by CK`
`20:37.07`	`ShaneSveller`	`i so rarely get to use that word...`
`20:37.08`	`Primer`	`haha`
`20:37.10`	`profalbert`	`lol`
`20:37.22`	`ckknight`	`I'm not fond of addons that attribute their authors, I think it hinders others from wanting to work on it`
`20:37.32`	`genetik-`	`yeah`
`20:37.34`	`AckisWork`	`:(`
`20:37.38`	`ckknight`	`e.g. profalbert pretty much has been maintaining and leading development on Parrot`
`20:37.44`	`ckknight`	`which I'm perfectly happy with`
`20:37.51`	VonhintenHOME`	`both names start with P though`
`20:37.54`	VonhintenHOME`	`see`
`20:38.05`	`AckisWork`	`I couldn't come up with a good name for ARL`
`20:38.06`	`ckknight`	`I wouldn't want him work on something called ckFCT and be uncomfortable`
`20:38.28`	`ShaneSveller`	`coughMSBTcough`
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`20:39.00`	`ShaneSveller`	`a programmer with his ego reined in, never heard of such a thing before, myself included.`
`20:39.07`	`profalbert`	`I could just rip off everything and call it release it under my own name ;)`
`20:39.31`	`ckknight`	`I don't really see the point in doing that`
`20:40.03`	`ShaneSveller`	`it was Ackis and...Primer discussing the ability scanner earlier, right?`
`20:40.12`	`ckknight`	`ShaneSveller: I know we all want ckMenuBar, ckMapMod, ckUF, ckTooltips, ckFCT, ckMinimap`
`20:40.13`	`ckknight`	`ugh.`
`20:40.20`	`AckisWork`	`me and Vulcanus`
`20:40.30`	`Primer`	`ckknight: tested and approved!`
`20:40.34`	`ShaneSveller`	`ah, yeah.`
`20:40.35`	`Dashkal`	`dashBars?`
`20:40.44`	`ckknight`	`Primer: good times.`
`20:40.57`	`ckknight`	`Primer: it's likely CPU-intensive, so you know :-P`
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`20:41.59`	`ShaneSveller`	`out of sheer laziness (the root of all good programming endeavours) I was thinking an interesting addon would be something to automatically make up Routes for your current zone based on abilities. ie when I zone, make me a route of any and all nodes I can skill up on`
`20:42.50`	`ShaneSveller`	`your discussion about analyzing a player's skills reminded me`
`20:43.00`	`kaiden`	`Sounds quite useful`
`20:44.12`	`ShaneSveller`	`I think at the time when it first came to me, I had a harder time wrapping my head around the Routes code to try to do that part than analyzing the player's skills`
`20:44.28`	`dieck`	`ShaneSveller: maybe you can just provide some predefined routes for "Routes" :) I think that's quite the thing you're looking for`
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`20:44.57`	`Quaiche\|work`	`Yeah, probably no reason to dynamically generate routes. You can probably can them and save the horsepower`
`20:45.25`	`ShaneSveller`	`dieck: such as a route for every 50 skill or so? across all zones, for both factions?`
`20:46.10`	`sylvanaar`	`morning folks`
`20:46.23`	`ShaneSveller`	`my initial logic was to check as you zone in, if your gathering skill has changed significantly or there is no existing route, make one, otherwise, do nothing`
`20:47.01`	`ShaneSveller`	`not doing work all that often, and the actual procedure is marking off which nodes to include the route when creating it. all the hard work would be done by routes itself`
`20:47.35`	`ShaneSveller`	`static routes is probably the better option though, i won't argue that`
`20:47.46`	`dieck`	`ShaneSveller: Cartographer has gathering points, Routes has the code to show, ehm, routes ;) I already use them for my farm roundups. So there should be no problem in creating routes (maybe dynamically when entering a gathering zone) and activate them by zone entry and gathering skill.`
`20:47.57`	`dieck`	`maybe you can add that option to Routes instead of reinventing the wheel?`
`20:48.13`	`Harshmage`	`ck, do you want me to submit any Pitbull bugs with the beta? And where would you want me to post them?`
`20:49.01`	`ShaneSveller`	`dieck: fair point, i was thinking to extend it rather than redo it`
`20:51.11`	`ckknight`	`Harshmage: fuck, I dunno.`
`20:51.26`	`dieck`	`ShaneSveller: and it's actually quite ok. Cartographer/Routes knows the names of the node points, as you already can choose, e.g. "make a route only for goldthorn in stranglethorn" or such.`
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`20:51.28`	`ckknight`	`my suggestion is to tell it to me on IRC but not a whole bunch at once or I'll get angry and depressed`
`20:51.40`	`ShaneSveller`	`lol`
`20:51.41`	`dieck`	`you'll just have to add at which skill level you can plug/mine/whatever`
`20:51.42`	`ckknight`	`I kind of want to rewrite PitBull for WotLK using the new secure system`
`20:51.58`	`ShaneSveller`	`new secure system?`
`20:52.05`	`ckknight`	`maybe I can make that my weekend project`
`20:52.20`	`kenlyric`	`bah, underhud is failing me`
`20:52.21`	`Shefki`	`I'll help.`
`20:52.28`	`Harshmage`	`I've only got two...same file, if that helps.`
`20:52.31`	`kenlyric`	`invalid spell ids on several debuffs`
`20:52.36`	`ckknight`	`Shefki: help me?`
`20:52.44`	`ShaneSveller`	`dieck: readily available information. as i said, a brief look at routes left me more confused than anything, but i'll probably poke at it this weekend`
`20:52.45`	`Shefki`	`Yup.`
`20:52.51`	`ckknight`	`well, I plan to use git`
`20:52.57`	`ShaneSveller`	`yay git`
`20:53.04`	`ckknight`	`and I'll be hosting this on curseforge (until the wowace-on-curseforge transition is done)`
`20:53.30`	`ckknight`	`I should probably map out how I want it`
`20:53.38`	`ckknight`	`I want it to be extremely extendible by third parties`
`20:53.42`	`ckknight`	`but not a bitch to deal with`
`20:53.46`	`ShaneSveller`	`sounds great`
`20:53.48`	`ckknight`	`thumbs up`
`20:54.09`	`ckknight`	`using minimal, modern libraries libraries`
`20:54.15`	`ckknight`	`I won't do it with Rock, so you all know`
`20:54.35`	`Harshmage`	`"Interface\\AddOns\\PitBull\\Aura\\Update.lua:329: attempt to call upvalue 'GetPlayerBuff' (a nil value)" and "Interface\\AddOns\\PitBull\\Aura\\Update.lua:453: attempt to compare number with string"`
`20:54.53`	`ckknight`	`they removed teh player buff stuff, didn't they?`
`20:54.54`	`ckknight`	`hrm.`
`20:54.55`	`AckisWork`	`ckknight is gonna git it done! ahahaha :P`
`20:55.03`	`Shefki`	`That's going to have to be rewritten for WOTLK`
`20:55.03`	`ckknight`	`AckisWork: hehe`
`20:55.08`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`20:55.09`	`Harshmage`	`I think it has something to do with my DK's presence stuff`
`20:55.23`	`Shefki`	`Which is actually good. The GetPlayerBuff stuff created problems.`
`20:55.46`	`profalbert`	`I should really take a look at git sometime ;)`
`20:55.49`	`Shefki`	`I was tempted to remove the calls to it in favor of UnitBuff until I realied UnitBuff didn't return the durations.`
`20:55.56`	`ShaneSveller`	`profalbert: yes you should`
`20:56.25`	`ShaneSveller`	`profalbert: github is probably in my top 5 daily websites now, easily, and i use git for all my new projects`
`20:56.53`	`ckknight`	`profalbert: I really recommend it, and since you're on linux, you'll have no issue`
`20:56.58`	`ckknight`	`git has windows usability issues`
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`20:57.33`	`ckknight`	`profalbert: once the wowace-on-curseforge thing is done, I plan on moving my projects over to git`
`20:57.34`	`ShaneSveller`	`true. OSX/linux here`
`20:57.42`	`ckknight`	`OS X here`
`20:57.59`	`ckknight`	`I just use the TextMate Git.tmbundle :-P`
`20:58.25`	`erikh`	`there's a good implementation for windows now`
`20:58.26`	`Primer`	`so curseforge is going to offer git?`
`20:58.28`	`erikh`	`(re: git)`
`20:58.31`	`Primer`	`AND svn?`
`20:58.32`	`erikh`	`can't remember the name though.`
`20:58.33`	`Harshmage`	`where?`
`20:58.40`	`Harshmage`	`damn`
`20:58.45`	`ckknight`	`Primer: Git, SVN, and Hg`
`20:58.47`	`erikh`	`it's on code.google.com`
`20:58.52`	`Primer`	`How are they going to manage that?`
`20:58.59`	`ckknight`	`Primer: I managed it well enough.`
`20:59.02`	`erikh`	`it's not that hard, really`
`20:59.02`	`ckknight`	`I'm magic`
`20:59.09`	`ckknight`	`wiggles fingers`
`20:59.16`	`Primer`	`heh`
`21:00.00`	`erikh`	`they all talk ssh and http making it simple to constrain delivery`
`21:00.25`	`erikh`	`ckknight: damnit, I want darcs support too`
`21:00.26`	`ckknight`	`yea, though actually we allow both svn:// with a password and svn+ssh:// with a pubkey`
`21:00.33`	`ckknight`	`git and hg just use ssh`
`21:00.37`	`ckknight`	`erikh: bah.`
`21:00.41`	`erikh`	`heh.`
`21:00.49`	`erikh`	`no, i'm a diehard git user these days`
`21:00.57`	`erikh`	`it helps that git integrates with damn near everything else`
`21:01.01`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`21:01.25`	`Shefki`	`ckknight: Need to make the primary way of identifying a frame GUID instead of unit or name.`
`21:01.37`	`ckknight`	`Shefki: I agree`
`21:01.47`	`Shefki`	`ckknight: So many problems are caused by unit ids changing in PVP.`
`21:01.49`	`ckknight`	`Shefki: I'd want to make most of the backend be GUID-based`
`21:01.59`	`ckknight`	`as far as being able to refer to things`
`21:03.01`	`profalbert`	`did proximo always had a russian description....`
`21:03.32`	`Shefki`	`Wish Proximo used GUIDs instead of names too.`
`21:03.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`Shefki: not possible`
`21:03.46`	`profalbert`	`you can't target by GUIDS`
`21:03.51`	`Shefki`	`Only reason I haven't hacked mine to do so already is the nameplate issue.`
`21:04.00`	`ckknight`	`Shefki: got any glamorous ideas for the next PitBull? :-P`
`21:04.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`you cant do most things with GUIDs`
`21:04.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`actually i dont think you can do anything with GUIDs`
`21:04.20`	`Shefki`	`Arrowmaster: Just because the primary way to identify the frame is a GUID doesn't mean you can't know the name.`
`21:04.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`why would you want the frame to be identifed by GUID if you cant even use the GUID at all`
`21:05.09`	`Shefki`	`To avoid updates from pets named the same as players.`
`21:05.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`is that a blizzard bug?`
`21:05.24`	`Shefki`	`Right now say you've got a Hunter with pet named "Foo" and a player named "Foo"`
`21:05.25`	`Shefki`	`No.`
`21:05.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`sounds like a problem with something else than`
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`21:05.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`you should use unitids`
`21:05.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`when possible`
`21:06.01`	`erikh`	`yes, the fact that GUIDs are unique and words aren't :)`
`21:06.08`	`Shefki`	`Whenever Proximo sees a change in HP it sends the target name and HP across the wire to sync.`
`21:06.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`stuff like proximo is stuck with names`
`21:06.22`	`ckknight`	`bah, now I wanna work on it`
`21:06.28`	`ckknight`	`lousy work for 3 more hours`
`21:06.38`	`CIA-45`	`03profalbert * r79075 10Proximo/Proximo.toc:`
`21:06.38`	`CIA-45`	`Proximo:`
`21:06.38`	`CIA-45`	`- fix toc`
`21:06.39`	`Shefki`	`Except the name is not unique so you'll see Proximo frame cycle updates between the player and the pet.`
`21:07.02`	`Shefki`	`Arrowmaster: The only place Proximo doesn't have access to the GUID when getting info is the nameplates.`
`21:07.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`proximo still gets info from the nameplates even when they arent shown right?`
`21:08.33`	`Shefki`	`Arrowmaster: Believe so.`
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`21:12.06`	`Shefki`	`I'm not 100% positive that you can't get the GUID from nameplates. There's just no obvious way and I haven't spent a whole lot of time doing it.`
`21:12.19`	`Primer`	`can people not close their own bug reports in jira?`
`21:13.51`	`ckknight`	`don't believe so...`
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`21:14.19`	`Primer`	`http://jira.wowace.com/browse/PB-419 <-- Feel free to close that`
`21:14.28`	`Shefki`	`Will do`
`21:16.31`	`Diskmaster`	`Anyone happen to know off the top of their heads what bios type HP PCs have?`
`21:16.36`	`Diskmaster`	`s/type/brand/`
`21:16.55`	`Diskmaster`	`~botsnack`
`21:16.55`	`purl`	`Diskmaster: :)`
`21:17.07`	`Shefki`	`One workaround for the Proximo issue I was complaining about was to check UnitRace() for the target.`
`21:17.16`	`Shefki`	`Pets return nil so you can tell them from players that way.`
`21:17.30`	`Shefki`	`And it's already sending the race in the wire protocol for syncing.`
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`21:17.43`	`Shefki`	`Problem is that won't work for nameplates.`
`21:17.43`	`profalbert`	`so, is there no working UF-addon for wotlk out there?`
`21:18.15`	`Shefki`	`Becuase of course you don't have a unitid for nameplates.`
`21:18.49`	`CrazyBenny_`	`profalbert: theres updated ag_uf on wowi`
`21:18.53`	`Shefki`	`Which means you need to track if there's a Pet with the same name as a player and ignore nameplate updates for that name to avoid weirdness.`
`21:19.02`	`profalbert`	`CrazyBenny_: thanks`
`21:20.39`	`CIA-45`	`03odlaw * r79076 10PassLoot/ (21 files in 2 dirs):`
`21:20.39`	`CIA-45`	`PassLoot:`
`21:20.39`	`CIA-45`	`- Redisgned UI a bit. You now have a list of available filters, and a list of active filters.`
`21:20.39`	`CIA-45`	`- Multiple filters of the same type can be created now. (Must have at least 1 match from each filter type)`
`21:20.58`	`Harshmage`	`just need a bar mod now...Trinity is broken, as are most of the others I suppose...`
`21:21.14`	`Shefki`	`But generally you should be able to build a cache of GUID <-> name mappings. If a name maps to more than one GUID just ignore by name only udpates.`
`21:21.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`Harshmage: for what?`
`21:21.30`	`Shefki`	`Harshmage: They're probably all broken because secure tempaltes have been changed.`
`21:21.35`	`Shefki`	`Arrowmaster: Wrath beta.`
`21:21.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah theyre all broken`
`21:21.42`	`Shefki`	`templates*`
`21:22.19`	`Shefki`	`And I think a lot of authors are still waiting for a key.`
`21:22.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`i havent even heard back from curse or wowi yet`
`21:22.46`	`Shefki`	`wowi isn't giving names to Blizzard until Monday.`
`21:23.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`and both said something about contacting authors later for more specific details to give to blizzard`
`21:23.09`	`Shefki`	`I'm really unclear on if curses is a contest or everyone gets it.`
`21:24.35`	`ckknight`	`Shefki: everyone legit`
`21:26.10`	`sb`	`yay, first twins kill last week, and today 4 bosses in swp :)`
`21:26.50`	`Stanzilla`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9670-WotLK compliant.html < O.o`
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`21:28.53`	`CIA-45`	`03starlon * r79077 10CombatAlarm/CombatAlarm.lua:`
`21:28.53`	`CIA-45`	`CombatAlarm:`
`21:28.53`	`CIA-45`	`- Fix SPELL_CAST_START events.`
`21:28.53`	`CIA-45`	`- Recycle tables passed to CheckGuess`
`21:28.54`	`CIA-45`	`- New recycle function - newDict`
`21:30.09`	`Harshmage`	`ck, I know this is a bad question to ask, cause I'll be scolded for being so dense, but how important is the Aura part of Pitbull? Can I delete it without causing it to crash?`
`21:30.20`	`Shefki`	`Just turn it off.`
`21:30.27`	`Shefki`	`It'll run fine without it.`
`21:30.36`	`Kody`	`Btw for those of you in beta: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/13315/`
`21:30.48`	`Ellipsis`	`Harshmage: if you don't want to see buffs/debuffs on your pitbull frames, you can remove the module without any ill effects`
`21:32.01`	`Shefki`	`Harshmage: I could probably write a fix for the Aura module based on what Blizzard has said the changes are without access to the beta.`
`21:32.04`	`ckknight`	`Harshmage: all modules can be disabled.`
`21:33.08`	`Harshmage`	`Kody: I've been using that off and on between machines. Pretty good, but it could use some more visibility (so could the original bar as well)`
`21:33.09`	`charon`	`what's the right way to autovivify table entries? set the corresponding key in the metatable __index?`
`21:33.27`	`CIA-45`	`03starlon * r79078 10oUF_Castbar/oUF_Castbar.toc: oUF_Castbar: Rename addon to match directory and toc name`
`21:34.21`	`ckknight`	`vivify?`
`21:34.34`	`charon`	`hmm i believe that's what they call it in perl`
`21:34.42`	`ckknight`	`what's the term mean?`
`21:34.51`	`charon`	`i want t[key] to magically set t[key] to a given value if it was nil previously`
`21:35.12`	`Shefki`	`Can someone tell me what GetBuildInfo() on the beta is returning: /dump GetBuildInfo()`
`21:35.18`	`ckknight`	`charon: on indexing?`
`21:35.23`	`charon`	`yes`
`21:35.29`	`Sais`	`ckknight: 'vivify' literally means "make live", I think.`
`21:35.35`	`charon`	`so that i can say t[many][levels][deep] and the intermediate levels will autocreate`
`21:35.40`	`Harshmage`	`I'll check Shefki`
`21:36.06`	`ckknight`	`local t = setmetatable({}, {__index=function(self, key) local x = {}; self[key] = x; return x end})`
`21:36.10`	`charon`	`(python has defaultdict for that)`
`21:36.12`	`Shefki`	`If the only problem right now is the Aura module I can probably put some compat code in that makes it work for now.`
`21:36.15`	`charon`	`thanks`
`21:36.52`	`ckknight`	`Shefki: to check for WotLK, do local WotLK = not not ToggleAchievementFrame`
`21:36.57`	`CIA-45`	`03saroz * r79079 10TinyTipPositioning/TinyTipPositioning.lua:`
`21:36.57`	`CIA-45`	`TinyTipPositioning:`
`21:36.58`	`CIA-45`	`- Correctly identify unit frames, rather than assuming all frames not being`
`21:36.58`	`CIA-45`	`UIParent is unit frames. This allows for correct anchoring to actionbar buttons`
`21:36.58`	`CIA-45`	`when the option HideInFrames is enabled. Don't kill me for committing this.`
`21:37.03`	`Saroz`	`help me!`
`21:37.55`	`Harshmage`	`"3.0.1", "8634", "Jul 15, 2008", 30000`
`21:37.59`	`ckknight`	`Shefki: "3.0.1", "8634", "Jul 15 2008"`
`21:38.16`	`Shefki`	`30000 is what I was expecting...`
`21:39.43`	`Shefki`	`I'd think local WoTLK = false; local _,_,_,version = GetBuildInfo(); if version >= 30000 then WoTLK = true; end`
`21:40.25`	`ckknight`	`I like my not not ToggleAchievementFrame thing`
`21:40.29`	`Saroz`	`indeed`
`21:40.32`	`Saroz`	`seems cleaner`
`21:40.35`	`Saroz`	`now give beta key`
`21:40.42`	`ckknight`	`soz`
`21:40.51`	`ckknight`	`I don't even have one`
`21:41.20`	`charon`	`nevcairiel: you found out LibBars indexed color gradients as 1.0 .. 0.0 right?`
`21:41.23`	`Shefki`	`I'd rather not rely on a function used in a beta implemmentation that may change on detecting something that a perfectly good interface value can say for sure. :)`
`21:41.41`	`nevcairiel`	`charon: yea`
`21:42.01`	`Saroz`	`local WoTLK = select(3, GetBuildInfo()) >= 30000;`
`21:42.04`	`Saroz`	`cleaner again`
`21:42.13`	`Shefki`	`That works. :)`
`21:42.14`	`charon`	`nevcairiel: thanks`
`21:42.21`	`Saroz`	`local WoTLK = select(4, GetBuildInfo()) >= 30000;`
`21:42.31`	`Ellipsis`	`helps to get the right return`
`21:42.36`	`Shefki`	`lol`
`21:43.14`	`sb`	`nevcairiel: i think there is something wrong with my BC installation - going to reinstall tomorrow :/`
`21:44.13`	`ckknight`	`has anyone played with the new secure system yet?`
`21:46.35`	`Primer`	`what secure system is this?`
`21:47.00`	`Saroz`	`I hope it beats the fucking secureunitshitheaders we got now`
`21:47.03`	`ckknight`	`WotLK's Restriction system`
`21:47.22`	`ckknight`	`see RestrictedEnvironment.lua, RestrictedExecution.lua, RestrictedFrames.lua`
`21:47.33`	`Saroz`	`WTB code example`
`21:47.41`	`Primer`	`you mean it's not restricted enough already?`
`21:47.43`	`ckknight`	`Saroz: I'll have something by this weekend.`
`21:47.47`	`Saroz`	`ty ckknight`
`21:47.53`	`ckknight`	`new PitBull`
`21:48.06`	`Saroz`	`I'm hoping it means it's more easy to make unitframes now`
`21:48.12`	`Saroz`	`like pet frames and party frames and raid frames`
`21:48.16`	`Saroz`	`instead of 3 headers`
`21:48.19`	`Saroz`	`fucking mess`
`21:49.27`	`ckknight`	`well, I plan to have something this weekend, and I invite everyone to clone and hack away at their leisure once I do so`
`21:49.39`	`Saroz`	`awesome, will look forward to that`
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`21:49.55`	`Saroz`	`give beta key from curse now`
`21:50.14`	`JoshBorke`	`Saroz: what addon are you going to work on?`
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`21:50.30`	`Saroz`	`sRaidFrames, I'd think`
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`21:53.09`	`Groktar`	`gotta say i love the new priest shadow tree`
`21:53.19`	`Groktar`	`i also love the talents in the new holy tree`
`21:53.27`	`Groktar`	`but there are so many of them`
`21:53.35`	`Saroz`	`I'm not feeling the Paladin love`
`21:53.36`	`Saroz`	`:\|`
`21:53.38`	`Groktar`	`especially high in the tree`
`21:53.48`	`Groktar`	`er, i should say deep in the tree`
`21:53.53`	`ckknight`	`Saroz: I'm also a pally, I need some lovin'`
`21:54.07`	`Saroz`	`word`
`21:54.26`	`Groktar`	`if they leave coh as it right now`
`21:54.30`	`Groktar`	`i'm so hawt for it`
`21:54.39`	`Groktar`	`basically works like chain heal but on 5 targets`
`21:54.40`	`Groktar`	`mmmm`
`21:54.42`	`Saroz`	`need a moment?`
`21:54.43`	`NivFreak`	`6sec CD sounds odd`
`21:54.46`	`Groktar`	`they took it out`
`21:54.50`	`NivFreak`	`orly`
`21:54.52`	`NivFreak`	`!!W`
`21:54.53`	`Groktar`	`ya`
`21:54.58`	`Saroz`	`they'll put it back`
`21:55.02`	`Groktar`	`hehe`
`21:55.07`	`Saroz`	`holy paladins are of no use otherwise`
`21:55.11`	`Saroz`	`it's like.. why are we here`
`21:55.11`	`NivFreak`	`who cares`
`21:55.12`	`NivFreak`	`:P`
`21:55.32`	`Saroz`	`protection tree is a bit meh too`
`21:55.37`	`Groktar`	`priests will be able to spam with paladins`
`21:55.43`	VonhintenHOME`	`I thought the pally trees looked good`
`21:55.44`	`Saroz`	`exactly`
`21:55.46`	`NivFreak`	`the holy paladin changes are great`
`21:55.47`	VonhintenHOME`	`especially prot`
`21:55.48`	`NivFreak`	`so are the prot changes`
`21:55.56`	`Saroz`	`holy pally changes are not great`
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`21:56.01`	`Groktar`	`get 60% mana back when your heal is 50% or more overheal`
`21:56.02`	`NivFreak`	`yes, they are ;P`
`21:56.08`	`Saroz`	`see the mana cost on that shit`
`21:56.15`	`Xuerian`	`Still talking about that, Groktar? :p`
`21:56.26`	`Groktar`	`it's the best thing ever!`
`21:56.28`	`Groktar`	`of course i am!`
`21:56.37`	`Saroz`	`prot pala is ok, nothing really groundbreaking`
`21:56.45`	VonhintenHOME`	`The 51pt talent for holy seems pretty awesome`
`21:56.46`	`Saroz`	`holy pala is, omg an uber expensive AOE heal`
`21:56.58`	`Groktar`	`looks`
`21:57.14`	`Saroz`	`the aura shit is nice, and the prot tree has some really cool things like when you bubble everyone around you take 30% less dmg`
`21:57.17`	`Saroz`	`pretty neat`
`21:57.27`	`Saroz`	`and imp deveotion aura, +3% healing done`
`21:57.34`	`Saroz`	`but holy tree is meh`
`21:57.41`	`ccKep`	`depends on how much mana you have at 80, beacon can be pretty cool`
`21:57.45`	`Groktar`	`i don't think it's as bad as you say`
`21:57.57`	`Saroz`	mana?`dunno, 16k I'd guess
`21:58.01`	`Saroz`	`thats 8 heals`
`21:58.02`	`Saroz`	`wow`
`21:58.02`	`Groktar`	`it says ALL raid members within 10 yards`
`21:58.08`	`Saroz`	`yes`
`21:58.10`	`Groktar`	`imagine that shit on twins`
`21:58.22`	`ccKep`	`25 * 2k = 50k, if the raid's positioned to allow that - and thats what the spell is for`
`21:58.28`	VonhintenHOME`	`judgements giving pally's 10% haste for 30second...`
`21:58.28`	`ccKep`	`(ignoring +heal so far)`
`21:58.31`	VonhintenHOME`	`can you say machine gun?`
`21:58.40`	`Saroz`	`the judgement thing is ok, but you need to judge`
`21:58.48`	`Saroz`	`which is kind of, well, I'm healing, dont have time for that shit`
`21:58.53`	VonhintenHOME`	`which you should be doing anyway, really`
`21:58.54`	`Groktar`	`i imagine that it will have a pretty decent coefficient, too`
`21:58.56`	`Groktar`	`since it's a hot`
`21:58.59`	VonhintenHOME`	`ret pally can keep up your judge`
`21:59.08`	`Saroz`	`yea I'm suppose to run to the boss every 20 seconds now right?`
`21:59.08`	`Saroz`	`fo`
`21:59.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`isnt that what the ranged judgement talent is for?`
`21:59.37`	VonhintenHOME`	`Not, you get the talent that increases the range :)`
`21:59.39`	`Saroz`	`in wrath yes`
`21:59.43`	`Saroz`	`I was saying now`
`21:59.59`	VonhintenHOME`	`well, now you don't need to do it every 20 seconds`
`22:00.13`	`profalbert`	`omg... /1 Illidan walking around in Borean tundra`
`22:00.18`	`Saroz`	`still, I'm a bit underwealmed`
`22:00.37`	VonhintenHOME`	`holy shock crit = insta holy light`
`22:00.43`	`Saroz`	`is it crit?`
`22:00.50`	`Saroz`	`I thought it was all holy chocks`
`22:00.53`	`Saroz`	`shocks`
`22:01.01`	`Groktar`	`especially if they put back illumination`
`22:01.06`	VonhintenHOME`	`no, that would be crazy OP'd`
`22:01.07`	`Saroz`	`they wont`
`22:01.14`	`Groktar`	`they said they might`
`22:01.17`	`Saroz`	`wha`
`22:01.20`	`Saroz`	`now THAT would be win`
`22:01.29`	`Saroz`	`I miss that shit`
`22:01.35`	`Groktar`	`because they nerfed it before they buffed spirit regen`
`22:01.37`	VonhintenHOME`	`They probably need to, priests and druids made out like fucking bandits on mana regen`
`22:01.40`	`Groktar`	`ya`
`22:01.50`	`Groktar`	`at the time paladins were so far ahead of everyone`
`22:02.03`	`Groktar`	`but now it makes more sense`
`22:02.14`	`Saroz`	`ye but atm we're shafted compared to shammies and priests really`
`22:02.22`	`Saroz`	`our HL is expensive stuff`
`22:02.39`	`Saroz`	`I like they removed BoL though, thats hot`
`22:02.53`	`Groktar`	`heh, i'll go oom in about 30 seconds of spamming gheal 7`
`22:03.08`	`Saroz`	`well thats not your only job`
`22:03.08`	`Groktar`	`even with a spriest and 430+ mp5 raid buffed`
`22:03.29`	VonhintenHOME`	`Take a look at the new Imp lay on hands wording`
`22:03.38`	`Saroz`	`15 seconds of 50% armor`
`22:03.44`	`Saroz`	`major nerf, but cooldown is like 14min now`
`22:03.48`	VonhintenHOME`	`Reduce the cooldown by 2 and 4 minutes... which points at a reduction in the actual cooldown`
`22:03.59`	`Groktar`	`that would be nice`
`22:04.00`	VonhintenHOME`	`Ah, I didn't know that, sweet`
`22:04.09`	`Groktar`	`wtb my beta key!`
`22:04.10`	`Saroz`	`buff is not a lot though`
`22:04.11`	`Saroz`	`kind of bad`
`22:04.18`	`Saroz`	`15 seconds is nothing`
`22:04.23`	VonhintenHOME`	`How often do you use LoH now?`
`22:04.28`	VonhintenHOME`	`I don't even remember the last time`
`22:04.29`	`Groktar`	`brutallus!`
`22:04.31`	`Saroz`	`when shit hits the fan`
`22:04.36`	`Saroz`	`and it dont drain mana anymore, iirc`
`22:04.38`	`Saroz`	`thats pretty sweet`
`22:04.46`	`Groktar`	`our pallies loh the tank with two minutes left or whatever`
`22:04.51`	`Saroz`	`so now it's usable without gimping yourself`
`22:04.51`	`Groktar`	`right before their mana pot cd is up`
`22:05.03`	VonhintenHOME`	`That's an awesome buff, I didn't know that`
`22:05.18`	`Saroz`	`drains all mana now though, atm`
`22:05.20`	VonhintenHOME`	`10 min LoH that doesn't drain, holy crap`
`22:05.22`	`Saroz`	`40 min cooldown`
`22:05.26`	`Saroz`	`ye`
`22:05.32`	`Saroz`	`but, buff is only 15 seconds in Wrath`
`22:05.35`	`Groktar`	`so 6 minutes with talents?`
`22:05.35`	`Saroz`	`it's 2 min now`
`22:05.40`	`Saroz`	`no 13 with talents`
`22:05.42`	`Saroz`	`iirc`
`22:05.43`	VonhintenHOME`	`No, 14 down to 10`
`22:05.46`	`Saroz`	`oh ok`
`22:05.56`	`Groktar`	`so once per fight`
`22:05.57`	VonhintenHOME`	`Oh, you said it was 14`
`22:05.57`	`ccKep`	`wowhead says 20min CD`
`22:05.59`	`Groktar`	`not bad`
`22:06.01`	`ccKep`	`and still drains mana ^.^`
`22:06.06`	`ccKep`	`(the level 78 version)`
`22:06.06`	`Saroz`	`rly?`
`22:06.10`	`ccKep`	`http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=48788`
`22:06.12`	`Saroz`	`hrm gonna recheck`
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`22:06.24`	VonhintenHOME`	`So, it's a 16 then after talents`
`22:06.31`	VonhintenHOME`	`bummer, 10 min would put it in Arena :)`
`22:06.48`	`ccKep`	`that mana drain stuff still sucks`
`22:06.52`	`Saroz`	`#`
`22:06.52`	`Saroz`	`Lay on Hands no longer drains all mana, cooldown reduced to 20 minutes.`
`22:06.57`	`Saroz`	`patch notes`
`22:07.00`	`Saroz`	`hai`
`22:07.09`	`ccKep`	`outdated spell then, cheer =)`
`22:07.12`	`Saroz`	`#`
`22:07.12`	`Saroz`	`Holy Shock (Holy) range changed to 20/40 yards when used on enemies/friends respectively, cooldown reduced to 6 seconds.`
`22:07.14`	`Saroz`	`this is win too`
`22:07.32`	VonhintenHOME`	`oh wow`
`22:07.44`	VonhintenHOME`	`6sec holy shock, 40/60 yard talented`
`22:07.45`	`CIA-45`	`03nevcairiel * r79080 10Mapster/GroupIcons.lua: Mapster: fix some logic in GroupIcons`
`22:07.50`	`JoshBorke`	`no longer drains all mana?`
`22:07.51`	`JoshBorke`	`wtf`
`22:08.03`	`Kuosi`	`so how much holy shock heals for and mana cost?`
`22:08.13`	`Saroz`	`like 3k instant heal`
`22:08.18`	VonhintenHOME`	`yeah, 3k on a crit`
`22:08.22`	VonhintenHOME`	`currently`
`22:08.24`	`Saroz`	`idd`
`22:08.31`	`Saroz`	`#`
`22:08.31`	`Saroz`	`Sanctified Light (Holy) now also increases the critical chance of Holy Shock.`
`22:08.33`	`Kuosi`	`if the healing per mana stays the same`
`22:08.36`	`Kuosi`	`it will still be shit`
`22:08.42`	`Saroz`	`no it crits more now`
`22:08.44`	`Saroz`	`mana return`
`22:08.54`	VonhintenHOME`	`Plus, crits on holy shock will make the next holy light insta cast`
`22:08.59`	VonhintenHOME`	`talented`
`22:09.01`	`Saroz`	`#`
`22:09.01`	`Saroz`	`Divine Intervention cooldown reduced to 20 minutes.`
`22:09.02`	`Saroz`	`:D`
`22:09.04`	`Saroz`	`hai repairs`
`22:09.22`	VonhintenHOME`	`They better have fucking increased the reagent stack size from 5...`
`22:09.28`	`Saroz`	`word`
`22:09.32`	`Saroz`	`make a bug report`
`22:09.54`	VonhintenHOME`	`I'll make a bug report when they give me beta access... until then they can suck bug reports out of my arse :)`
`22:10.00`	`ccKep`	`hope next beta build includes a new rank of chain heal ^.^`
`22:10.06`	`Saroz`	`hrrrrm, Divine Itellect was buffed too`
`22:10.06`	`Groktar`	`holy shock -> instant cast holy light?`
`22:10.07`	`Saroz`	`#`
`22:10.07`	`Saroz`	`Divine Intellect (Holy) moved to tier 2, increases total Intellect by 3/6/9/12/15%.`
`22:10.11`	`Saroz`	`more mana`
`22:10.12`	`Groktar`	`hello pvp`
`22:10.44`	VonhintenHOME`	`Spiritual Focus is tier 1 now, which is awesome`
`22:10.45`	`Saroz`	`and imp conc aura moved to holy tree, but still PVP aura`
`22:11.29`	`Saroz`	`and all paladins get Seal of Blood now`
`22:11.51`	VonhintenHOME`	`seal of the martyr for alliance, I believe they're calling it`
`22:11.52`	`Groktar`	`does imp conc reduce silence duration right now?`
`22:12.00`	`ccKep`	`wants a beta key badly -.-`
`22:12.01`	VonhintenHOME`	`yes`
`22:12.16`	`Saroz`	`Seal of Corruption`
`22:12.20`	VonhintenHOME`	`It used to reduce the change to be silenced, but they changed it`
`22:12.24`	`Groktar`	`beta keys are going to bads, all of them`
`22:12.25`	VonhintenHOME`	`change=chance`
`22:12.41`	`CIA-45`	`03shefki * r79081 10PitBull/Aura/ (Frames.lua Update.lua):`
`22:12.41`	`CIA-45`	`PitBull_Aura: Should fix Aura module to work with WoTLK beta, if I had a beta key`
`22:12.41`	`CIA-45`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:12.44`	`ccKep`	`<<wanna-be-bad then`
`22:13.10`	VonhintenHOME`	`I don't really understand the Divine Strength being Tier 1 prot though... that's a little odd`
`22:13.23`	VonhintenHOME`	`should probably be swapped with Deflection in Ret, imo`
`22:13.24`	`Saroz`	`ffs make UnitAura() return spellid already`
`22:13.26`	`Saroz`	`stupid blizz`
`22:14.05`	`Groktar`	`don't prot/ret paladins put their leftover points in the holy tree now?`
`22:14.10`	`Saroz`	`no`
`22:14.12`	`Saroz`	`ret`
`22:14.17`	`Shefki`	`Saroz: One step at a time. At least we got UnitAura. We had UnitBuff and UnitDebuff before.`
`22:14.19`	`Groktar`	`mm idk`
`22:14.20`	`Saroz`	`for parry and reduces cooldown on judgement`
`22:14.48`	`Groktar`	`has only gotten a paladin to about level 20 without losing interest`
`22:16.40`	`fewyn`	`sigh`
`22:16.46`	`ckknight`	`Groktar: what do you play?`
`22:16.47`	`fewyn`	`i have too many heavy netherweave bandages`
`22:16.56`	`fewyn`	`and i'm never going to use any of them`
`22:16.57`	`Tekkub`	`I'm getting no work done thanks to you bitches on the forum`
`22:17.00`	`Groktar`	`warrior and priest`
`22:17.05`	`Diao`	`i don't think they want paladins putting full points into prot`
`22:17.12`	`Diao`	`which is the same reason parry for warriors is in the arms tree ;)`
`22:17.17`	`Groktar`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Flak`
`22:17.20`	`Groktar`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Groktar`
`22:17.25`	`Saroz`	`they put 5% dodge into prot`
`22:17.27`	`Saroz`	`thats SO win`
`22:17.30`	`Groktar`	`what REALLY irritates me`
`22:17.32`	`Groktar`	`is blood frenzy`
`22:17.45`	`Diao`	`yeah in return for 20 defense loss`
`22:17.47`	`Diao`	`but it's a good change`
`22:17.48`	`Groktar`	`having to spec for inferior dps for some stupid buff`
`22:17.50`	`Saroz`	`so?`
`22:17.54`	`Saroz`	`crushings removed`
`22:18.05`	`Saroz`	`who needs defense`
`22:18.20`	`genetik-`	`er`
`22:18.25`	VonhintenHOME`	`Not having to spec redoubt is win`
`22:18.27`	`Saroz`	`I'm at 524 defense atm anyway`
`22:18.29`	`Diao`	`it's not inferior by much Groktar`
`22:18.39`	`Diao`	`at least not according to posts on EJ`
`22:18.49`	`Groktar`	`it's very much inferior`
`22:18.52`	`Diao`	`but then, every "raid utility" spec is inferior personal dps`
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`22:19.11`	`Diao`	`it's a tradeoff for raid dps`
`22:19.25`	`Groktar`	`how many other classes have to spec for lower dps? warlocks to get malediction?`
`22:19.40`	`Diao`	`survival hunters`
`22:19.42`	VonhintenHOME`	`nm, you do still have to spec redoubt I guess, bummer`
`22:19.49`	`Diao`	`trispec hemo rogue`
`22:19.59`	`Diao`	`shadowpriest(lol)`
`22:20.13`	`Groktar`	`i don't think shadowpriests count`
`22:20.19`	`Diao`	`:p`
`22:20.41`	`Diao`	`even ret paladins have to spec for lower dps`
`22:20.44`	`Diao`	`if they get kings`
`22:21.00`	`Groktar`	`but that's like a couple points here and there`
`22:21.17`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`22:21.22`	`Groktar`	`difference between getting piercing howl and putting 5 into commanding presence or something`
`22:21.27`	`Diao`	`how much dps do you really lose as 33/28 though`
`22:21.35`	`Groktar`	`a lot`
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`22:21.41`	`Diao`	`iirc a bf/slam warr was doing 2200+?`
`22:21.44`	`Diao`	`on brut`
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`22:22.00`	`Groktar`	`that's got to be an extreme situation`
`22:22.21`	`Groktar`	`you're not realistically going to see them much over 1700`
`22:23.23`	`Groktar`	`i should also mention that i absolutely hate ms`
`22:23.33`	`Groktar`	`so boring and slow`
`22:23.47`	`Groktar`	`like playing an enhancement shaman without totem twisting`
`22:24.01`	`Groktar`	`or maybe exactly like an enhancement shaman twisting`
`22:24.02`	`Diao`	`timing slam while keeping MS/WW on cooldown properly is more involved than keeping BT/WW on cd and spamming HS to dump rage :P`
`22:24.33`	`Groktar`	`i'm not saying it's easy`
`22:24.40`	`Groktar`	`just not fun`
`22:24.54`	`Diao`	`haha`
`22:25.24`	`Groktar`	`the most fun i have dpsing is actually shadow`
`22:25.51`	`Groktar`	`it's going to be so ezmode in wotlk`
`22:25.56`	`Groktar`	`one less dot to watch`
`22:26.29`	`NeoTron`	`lock destro or demo or dk tank is what I'll do`
`22:26.44`	`Groktar`	`heh`
`22:26.47`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:27.03`	`Groktar`	`i might go dk just so i can have a pink haired gnome`
`22:27.09`	`Diao`	`yeah i think it might be a very extreme situation`
`22:27.10`	`Groktar`	`and not have to start from level 1`
`22:27.17`	`Diao`	`arms warrior from SK doing 2278 dps on brut`
`22:27.18`	`Diao`	`lol`
`22:27.28`	`Diao`	`need to find a comparable fury warrior`
`22:27.42`	`Groktar`	`would be about 2500 or so i would imagine`
`22:27.51`	`Groktar`	`you're just threat capped at that point`
`22:27.55`	`Groktar`	`wouldn't matter`
`22:28.51`	`CIA-45`	`03shefki * r79082 10PitBull/Aura/Update.lua: PitBull_Aura: Fix a typo in the WoTLK beta fix. Oops.`
`22:28.57`	`Diao`	`yeah 2646`
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`22:31.14`	`Groktar`	`i really wish they'd unlink enrage and flurry`
`22:31.15`	`Groktar`	`:(`
`22:31.38`	`Diao`	`yeah`
`22:31.49`	`Diao`	`but we've been asking for that since wow classic`
`22:33.13`	`Diao`	`ideally we'd have a weapon spec in fury so we could do stuff like swordspec while dualwielding`
`22:33.20`	`Diao`	`but that will never happen`
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`22:43.55`	`ccKep`	`wants curse to send out keys to all authors ^.^`
`22:44.36`	`ckknight`	`curse doesn't send out the keys`
`22:44.52`	`ckknight`	`curse sends a list of authors to blizzard, who then send keys to said authors`
`22:46.26`	`ccKep`	`does blizz filter the list (eg. choose random people or something) or does curse send a filtered/randomized/whatever list and blizz sends keys to people on those list?`
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`22:56.50`	`ckknight`	`ccKep: we at curse pre-filtered it for Blizz`
`22:57.31`	`Vulcanus`	`tell me who won XD`
`22:58.03`	`ccKep`	`randomly or by certain factors? (be it author/addon popularity, activity or something else)`
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`22:59.07`	`ckknight`	`not sure if Blizz will send to everyone or to the top X number or randomly`
`23:00.11`	`ccKep`	`hope blizz starts out dumping some more keys`
`23:00.37`	`Daemona`	`Blizz can only gain from letting in as many devs as possible`
`23:00.42`	`Daemona`	`either they find bugs`
`23:00.51`	`Daemona`	`or make the customers happy on release with working addons`
`23:01.55`	`Daemona`	`on a random note... ckk you might want to drop by over at the EJ forums and put some light on the wowace -> curse thingy, people are heavily speculating`
`23:03.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Daemona, link?`
`23:03.21`	`Daemona`	`http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t28827-wowace_close_its_doors_sort/`
`23:03.46`	`Daemona`	`been trying to calm the crowd down a bit with what i grabbed from the chat on monday, but even Funky's presence doesnt seem to help ;)`
`23:04.15`	`charon`	`Daemona: got around to to trying the pullouts?`
`23:04.47`	`Daemona`	`i read some stuff in the release version you added it, but again failed to test ;)`
`23:04.57`	`Daemona`	`is it in release, or do i have to svn to test?`
`23:05.21`	`Daemona`	`i'll grab my lock and void to test in a minute ,)`
`23:05.34`	`charon`	`i put it in the trunk version after i revamped the design a bit`
`23:05.51`	`charon`	`in that case, no hurry, i'm heading to bed`
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`23:13.49`	VonhintenHOME`	`"author rewards" ?`
`23:17.05`	`Dashkal`	VonhintenHOME`: a form of revenue sharing
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`23:21.07`	`Daemona`	`charon, well major drawback with the pullout bars is and why i didnt notice you added it to trunk.... you cant pullout a bar... when Omen is locked via the settings`
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`23:26.17`	`Dashkal`	`ok god it's strange seeing something I typed in an EJ thread...`
`23:26.49`	`Dashkal`	`s/k/h`
`23:26.55`	`Shefki`	`What was that?`
`23:27.32`	`Dashkal`	`Nothing big, one of the quoted questions was mine`
`23:29.28`	`ckknight`	`okay, I replied on the EJ thread`
`23:29.39`	`kenlyric`	`oh god`
`23:30.27`	`Shefki`	`What thread is this.`
`23:30.35`	`ckknight`	`http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t28827-wowace_close_its_doors_sort/p2/#post826416`
`23:30.38`	`Groktar`
`23:30.38`	`Groktar`	`Everyone who worked on making that implementation is now gone from Curse, and I have to say that it's a good thing.`
`23:30.45`	`Groktar`	`ouch ckknight`
`23:30.51`	`ckknight`	`Groktar: what? they were shitty.`
`23:30.55`	`ckknight`	`fucking zeeg.`
`23:31.01`	`ckknight`	`he still causes us problems.`
`23:31.34`	`Stanzilla`	`zeeg?`
`23:31.46`	`ckknight`	`zeeg, a.k.a zinor, a.k.a David Cramer`
`23:32.22`	`CIA-45`	`03laotseu * r79083 10Fubar_DominosFu/DominosFu.lua:`
`23:32.22`	`CIA-45`	`Fubar_DominosFu:`
`23:32.22`	`CIA-45`	`- Code clean-up`
`23:32.34`	`ckknight`	`he's banned from most WoW IRC channels for trolling`
`23:33.14`	`fewyn`	`has there been a major change to grid?`
`23:33.17`	`fewyn`	`lately?`
`23:34.20`	`Groktar`	`i only see minor things in the changelog`
`23:34.43`	`fewyn`	`hmm`
`23:34.53`	`Groktar`	`localization and rangecheck stuff`
`23:34.56`	`fewyn`	`the look completely changed from what i'm used to guess i'll go prod the changelog`
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`23:38.44`	`Groktar`	`i like reading changelogs`
`23:39.16`	`Groktar`	`for the exciting comments like "DO NOT CHANGE DEFAULT BEHAVIOR AND DO NOT CLAIM TO FIX A BUG THAT DOESN'T EXIST!"`
`23:41.05`	`FinalX`	`heheh`
`23:43.05`	`Shefki`	`runs off to commit something with an exciting comment.`
`23:43.17`	`Shefki`	`Must provide entertainment for the masses.`
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`23:45.27`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`23:48.21`	`Dashkal`	`ckk's comment from earlier was win :p`
`23:48.30`	`ckknight`	`which comment?`
`23:48.33`	`Dashkal`	`pitbull`
`23:49.44`	`Groktar`	`looks`
`23:49.44`	`ckknight`	`ah, yea`
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`23:51.01`	`Groktar`	`there was one tiny thing i didn't like about pitbull`
`23:51.12`	`Groktar`	`at least last time i tried it`
`23:51.26`	`Groktar`	`and that was it not flipping buffs/debuffs on enemy units`
`23:51.29`	VonhintenHOME`	`buff/debuff's`
`23:51.30`	VonhintenHOME`	`yep`
`23:51.37`	VonhintenHOME`	`weakest part of pitbull`
`23:51.49`	`ckknight`	`If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty Oneâ I am become Death, the shatterer of Worlds.`
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`23:52.43`	`Saroz`	`WOW`
`23:52.46`	`Saroz`	`very roleplay`
`23:52.53`	`Groktar`	`lol`
`23:53.05`	`Groktar`	`you've never heard that before?`
`23:53.25`	`Saroz`	`no`
`23:53.32`	`Saroz`	`wheres it from`
`23:53.47`	`Yssaril`	`didnt one of the A-bomb scientists say that?`
`23:53.51`	`Groktar`	`oppenheimer`
`23:53.52`	`Groktar`	`ya`
`23:53.55`	`Saroz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:53.55`	`Saroz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:53.57`	`Yssaril`	`thats the guy`
`23:54.45`	`ckknight`	`:-)`
`23:54.59`	`ckknight`	`The Bhagavad Gita was an interesting piece.`
`23:55.11`	`ckknight`	`sometimes lua sucks.`
`23:55.53`	`ckknight`	`like right now`
`23:56.02`	`ckknight`	`I wish I had some rubyesque syntax things`
`23:56.15`	`ckknight`	`like \|\|=`
`23:56.18`	`Tuller`	`lua never sucks`
`23:56.45`	`Tuller`	`but I never use ruby, so yeah`
`23:57.02`	VonhintenHOME`	`what the hell is \|\|= a boolean or assignment?`
`23:57.10`	`ckknight`	`assignment if not assigned yet.`
`23:57.16`	`ckknight`	`awesome for caching`
`23:57.19`	`JoshBorke`	`fred = fred or bob?`
`23:57.34`	`ckknight`	`JoshBorke: except that it doesn't assign if already assigned`
`23:57.35`	`Tuller`	`bob = bob or dole silly`
`23:57.40`	`profalbert`	`if not fred then fred = newFred() end`
`23:57.44`	`ckknight`	`technically it's a \|\| (a = b)`
`23:58.00`	`ckknight`	`profalbert: yep.`
`23:58.17`	`JoshBorke`	`how is that any different?`
`23:58.33`	`ckknight`	`except that since ruby also treats the last expression as a return, doing something like def thing; @thing \|\|= stuff; end is very nice`
`23:58.40`	`Tuller`	`bob = bob or dole assigns bob to bob if bob has stuff`
`23:58.42`	`ckknight`	`it'll return it as well`
`23:58.48`	`JoshBorke`	`ah, ok`
`23:59.04`	`JoshBorke`	`i just assumed that would be skipped over`
`23:59.07`	VonhintenHOME`	`lol, so many useless language features`
`23:59.08`	`JoshBorke`	`my mistake`
`23:59.32`	`ckknight`	`so what I need to do in lua to be the most efficient way would take 4 lines more than ruby`
`23:59.34`	`ckknight`	`which is a bit lame`
`23:59.49`	`JoshBorke`	`line count > you`

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