IRC log for #wowace on 20080312

00:00.15vhaarryou're not providing any answers here, just pissing me off
00:00.23vhaarrzapl: did you write the code? what is it supposed to do?
00:00.26CIA-903keiss * r64287 10/branches/Manasurge/ (14 files in 5 dirs):
00:00.26CIA-9Manasurge:
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00:00.49Josh_Borkevhaarr: i believe he's decrypting carbonite
00:00.54zaplyep
00:00.58kergothwhy?
00:01.10vhaarrI believe he's full of crap
00:01.17vhaarrthat code does nothing useful
00:01.39vhaarrthe randomseed call is useless as well, the seed generated by lua is already based on time
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00:02.26PrimerIs the author of FuBar_SpeedFU present? I believe that's Arrowmaster?
00:02.35Xinhuanit looks like a very very complicated way to get a random number
00:02.36Xinhuanto me
00:02.41zaplmaybe they use it just to confuse poeple
00:02.45Arrowmasterim not the author
00:02.55vhaarrzapl: so it's not your code?
00:02.56Zeksieyay. got it all working i think. making coffe then will figure out how to commit this :p
00:02.59vhaarrwhy are you not answering
00:03.03vhaarrzapl: are you a fucktadr?
00:03.06vhaarrtard, even
00:03.41zaplits evil carbonite code. plain readable. so thats not violation the tos :D
00:03.41PrimerArrowmaster: oh, somehow I got the impression you were involved with it
00:03.41vhaarrwhat the code does is it gets a random CVAR
00:03.43vhaarrgets its value
00:03.48vhaarrthen sets the cvar to the value it had
00:04.14vhaarrand assigns rname and cname on a global Nx object if random conditions are met
00:04.18Xinhuani'm assuming somewhere else in the code, it has to get the value of that same cvar to do something random later
00:04.29Xinhuanat the end of the day, its just dumb ;p
00:04.36vhaarrat the end of the day, it makes no sense
00:04.39*** kick/#wowace [zapl!n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr] by vhaarr (vhaarr)
00:04.43Josh_Borke...
00:05.03Xinhuannow now, he didn't do anything wrong
00:05.16vhaarrwhat do you mean, he completely ignored my questions
00:05.17Josh_Borkevhaarr is pissy
00:05.18ckknightwhat's Carbonite?
00:05.24XinhuanCarbonite is a pay-to-use addon
00:05.26Josh_Borkea for pay addon
00:05.33ArrowmasterPrimer: i think it was one of those dime a dozen 'lets convert all the titan panel plugins to fubar' mods that was created when fubar was first released and a bunch of people have modified it over the while
00:05.34Xinhuanit is essentially a Map addon + questing addon
00:05.40Nandiniit's main flashy feature is a zooming map
00:05.47ArrowmasterPrimer: although rophy is listed as the author i think
00:05.47Xinhuanbasically sort of like Cartographer + QuestHelper in one
00:06.06Nandini(which is admittedly very cool and needs to be reinvented by one of you!)
00:06.07Xinhuanexcept that its pay-to-use, so its supposedly has better maintenance/suppotr, etc
00:06.21Xinhuancan you describe this zooming map?
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00:06.40Nandinigo to youtube and search wow carbonite
00:06.51CIA-903kergoth * r64288 10MinimapTarget/MinimapTarget.lua: MinimapTarget: fix the call of the original in the hooking, which I broke in the previous commit.
00:06.52Xinhuannot intesreted in doing that ;p
00:07.06Xinhuani am just interested in what it does, not that interested in searching for videos on it
00:07.18Nandinithis is what it does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqIopsxU3Y
00:08.12Xinhuanhmm that's pretty cool
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00:08.17Josh_Borkelol
00:08.47keisseye candy , but seems useless tbh ...
00:09.05RaydenUniwhy do the helboars in hellfire aggro from so far away?
00:09.41Xinhuanso its like google earth
00:09.52Xinhuanits probably similar to Y-Atlas
00:09.55Josh_Borkeas the very first comment states
00:10.07NeoTronRaydenUni: they are angry
00:10.10Nandinipeople love eye candy, that's why the most "popular" addons are usually the flashiest and bulkiest, not the most efficient
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00:11.06Nandinii doubt it actually stitches minimap images together on the fly like yatlas, even on a very fast computer, it wouldn't be that smooth
00:11.24Nandinii'd bet they use precomposited images for different zoom levels
00:11.33CIA-903funkydude * r64289 10StatBlocks/StatBlocks.lua: StatBlocks: tweak
00:11.48RaydenUnistupid lag
00:11.59CIA-903kemayo 07Ace3 * r64290 10BetterQuest/core.lua: BetterQuest: Right-clicking on quest lines should open the quest log.
00:13.30Nandinilupid stag
00:13.44Nandinii must be dyslexic, because that's what i read
00:13.50Matrix110hmmm this carbonite thing why would anyone pay for that ? :D
00:14.03Matrix110There are Addons i would pay for but for that???
00:14.18Arrowmasterit does more than that
00:14.27Nandinithey pay for it because there is no free alternative that combines that exact set of functionality and presentation, i'd imagine
00:14.48Xinhuanlike i said, it is more than that
00:14.55Xinhuanit is a questing addon too
00:15.05Matrix110well i watched the super duber youtube vids :P
00:15.22Nandiniyeah it has waypoints and quest objectives and a leveling guide built-in i believe
00:15.23PrimerArrowmaster: ok, was just curious, as I've ripped some code from it and it seemed to work while I was in redridge, but then I went to shat, and the numbers were all off
00:15.28Nandinithings that are all available for free in other addons
00:15.48ArrowmasterPrimer: what did you rip from it? the speed calcs?
00:15.52Primeryeah
00:16.01DashkalPeople pay for it for the (slightly) legitimate entitlement for feature requests, bug fixes, and because it's "easy" to use.
00:16.04Kemayokergoth: I'm thinking I might be able to get away with just toggling off clipping to screen while the frame is hidden.  I'll see what happens when you reenable it while the frame is offscreen.
00:16.31NandiniKemayo: is the header anchored to the list, or the list to the header?
00:16.37ArrowmasterPrimer: its showing a difference between what speedfu shows and the code you riped from it shows?
00:16.40Xinhuanthere is actually a feature request for Carbonite to work with Routes
00:16.41PrimerArrowmaster: I found it odd that there was an array with each zone in it which supplied a modifier
00:16.53KemayoNandini: The header is anchored to the list.
00:16.54PrimerArrowmaster: I don't use fubar, so I never installed speedfu
00:16.54Xinhuanapparantly carbonite makes it such that routes lines on the minimap doesn't draw
00:16.57ArrowmasterPrimer: those are the zone sizes
00:17.20KemayoNandini: On the logic that the header is the optional component.
00:17.39Nandiniyou can calculate the zone size by running on the ground at a known speed for a known period of time
00:17.47Nandiniwell the size of the zone map at least
00:17.56PrimerArrowmaster: I may have messed up the code though, as I recently added a delay to the refresh rate of the text
00:17.57Arrowmasteror you can do what i did and just copy it from the dbc files
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00:18.03Primerin fact, that's probably what I did
00:18.12Primeractually, crap, that is exactly what I did
00:19.10NandiniKemayo: if the header is anchored to the list, the list should pop back into place if you reshow it and clamp it to the screen, and the header should still anchor to the top
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00:21.08KemayoNandini: That sounds like workable behavior to me.
00:21.25Primerseems to work! woot
00:21.39PrimerI wonder if I should offer different display types for the speed
00:22.42RaydenUnigosh darn it
00:22.45RaydenUnilagging out again
00:22.46DashkalI'm going to have to learn WoW UI coding soon
00:22.59Cryect<PROTECTED>
00:23.02RaydenUnii have a good ping
00:23.03Cryectit does
00:23.11Cryectyou can download the free version
00:23.16PrimerI've observed the following: walk speed = 36, run = 100, non epic riding mount = 160, epic riding = 200
00:23.16RaydenUnireally good speed
00:23.20Cryectand it has no images included besdies some small ones
00:23.23Primercrap, I sold my non epic flyer
00:23.31RaydenUniPrimer buy it back
00:24.03Primerepic flyer 380, with riding crop 418
00:24.16CIA-903kemayo 07Ace3 * r64291 10BetterQuest/modules/spam.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Spam module should be registering DB "Sink".
00:24.18PrimerI wonder if people will understand those numbers
00:24.26RaydenUniwhat are the numbers for?
00:25.47ArrowmasterPrimer: those are all %
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00:28.46PrimerArrowmaster: yup. I omitted the "%" part from my display
00:29.24Primerthe 'base' is obviously character run speed on level ground
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00:30.00Primermost people think of the percentages as a percentage over that
00:30.11Kaeltenmore input please: http://paste.kaelten.com/show/13/
00:30.18Primeras in, epic flyer is 280% over run speed, not 380
00:31.28RaydenUniwtf
00:31.31RaydenUniwhy do i keep lagging out?
00:32.20CIA-903rabbit * r64292 10NRT/NRT.lua: NRT: Automatically focus and highlight the XML output when the tracker frame is shown.
00:32.32CIA-903starinnia * r64293 10StatBlocks_Ammo/StatBlocks_Ammo.lua: StatBlocks_Ammo: X,Y position options added
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00:34.18RaydenUniworld server is down...
00:34.47Starinniathat might explain the lag issue
00:34.59RaydenUnihttp://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ says up
00:35.27Starinniai'd assume other parts of your realm are up
00:35.42Starinniaworld server just means outlands or azeroth or kalimdor
00:35.52RaydenUnioh
00:35.55RaydenUnii'm back in now...
00:35.58CIA-903stalake * r64294 10GearEvaluator/ (GearEvaluator.lua GearEvaluator.toc Libs/ embeds.xml): GearEvaluator: Added module support
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00:38.52Primer!points 378
00:38.53Xinhuan378 arena points require 1531(5s), 1573(3s) and 1624(2s) team rating.
00:39.37CIA-903stalake * r64295 10GearEvaluator_ItemBonusLib/ (5 files in 2 dirs): GearEvaluator_ItemBonusLib: Added basic support for ItemBonusLib
00:39.56Funkeh`haha
00:39.58Funkeh`awesome
00:40.19Funkeh`I emailed the dudes @ qfx software about keyscrambler not working with Fx3 b4, they emailed me back a working beta
00:40.48xyuDoes anyone know if they fix the cast / switch targets / interrupt bug in 2.4?
00:41.07CIA-903kemayo 07Ace3 * r64296 10BetterQuest/config.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Fix font-setting.
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00:44.14Nefarionquestion: calls to pairs creates a function each time, that needs to be GCed, right? does using 'for k,v in next,table' do the same thing?
00:44.29DashkalOT: Do not die here, or be "severely punished": http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080305/od_nm/election_cemetery_dc;_ylt=Ao2.Q1Pe4SwY.ZKKB2M3kGsSH9EA
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00:44.56Nefarionor would 'k,v in next.table' avoid the throw away function?
00:45.01Nefarionnext,table*
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00:47.43Finin k, v in pairs(table)
00:48.18Nefarion..?
00:49.00CIA-903kemayo 07Ace3 * r64297 10BetterQuest/core.lua: BetterQuestTracker: tracker:SetClampedToScreen(false) while it's collapsed, to stop the header being invisibly locked very far away from the edge of the screen.
00:49.27Finno? I thought that was the way to iterate over a table - wouldn't for k, v in next.table iterate over the next value in table?
00:49.54Nefarionyou can use 'for k,v in next, table do'
00:50.05Fintable see, table do
00:50.28Nefarionlua> for k, v in next, _G do print(k) end
00:50.28lua_botNefarion: tostring, os, getfenv, pairs, assert, tonumber, strsplit, load, _G, coroutine, loadstring, pp, prettyprint, string, xpcall, bit, _VERSION, strtrim, table, strjoin, strconcat, setmetatable, next, ipairs, rawequal, collectgarbage, rawset, print, math, pcall, unpack, type, select, rawget, getmetatable,... (result truncated)
00:50.31Nefarionsee?
00:50.41CIA-903barfolomeu * r64298 10/branches/FlightHUD/ (FlightHUD.lua FlightHUD.toc):
00:50.41CIA-9FlightHUD: Added ground speed indicator. This is only horizontal speed in terms of percentages, where running
00:50.41CIA-9character speed is 100%. Code borrowed from FuBar_SpeedFu.
00:50.41CIA-9Make pitch graphic scale only go up to 20, as anything more looks odd.
00:50.41CIA-9Add GPL v2 file and GPL header to the main (only, actually) lua file.
00:51.55Nefarioni need to iterate over a table in onupdate and wanted to keep my garbage down. i tried using a handmade loop to do it but i couldn't get it nearly as fast as an interator. so i'm wondering if using next, table causes the same throw away function that (i think) pairs creates.
00:52.30DashkalI don't have access to the manual on hand, but I thought pairs just returned next
00:52.42Nefariondoes it?
00:52.48DashkalI
00:52.48Xinhuanit doesn't.
00:52.59Xinhuanpairs() just returns next()
00:53.00Nefarionpairs is faster than next, table
00:53.08Xinhuanit isn't any faster or slower
00:53.17Nefarionfaster when i do it in my parser
00:53.27Dashkalahh, so I do remember right.  About to leave so I didn't want to dig up the reference
00:53.39CIA-903kemayo 07Ace3 * r64299 10BetterQuest/core.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Fix drycode bugs in opening the quest log on rightclick.
00:53.50Nefarionlua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in next, _G do end; print(os.clock() - t);  lua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in pairs(_G) do end; print(os.clock() - t);  
00:53.51lua_botNefarion: luabot:1: '=' expected near '>'
00:53.57Nefarionoops
00:54.09Nefarionlua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in next, _G do end; print(os.clock() - t);   local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in pairs(_G) do end; print(os.clock() - t);  
00:54.10lua_botNefarion: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>'
00:54.25Nefarionlua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in next, _G do end;end print(os.clock() - t);   local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in pairs(_G) do end;end print(os.clock() - t);  
00:54.26lua_botNefarion: 0.85, 0.39
00:54.33Nefarionsee?
00:54.41Nefarionpairs always ends up faster
00:54.48CIA-903barfolomeu * r64300 10FlightHUD/ (COPYING FlightHUD.lua FlightHUD.toc Locale-enUS.lua):
00:54.48CIA-9FlightHUD: Added ground speed indicator. This is only horizontal speed in terms of percentages, where running
00:54.48CIA-9character speed is 100%. Code borrowed from FuBar_SpeedFu.
00:54.48CIA-9Make pitch graphic scale go only up to 20, as anything more looks odd.
00:54.49CIA-9Add GPL v2 file and GPL header to the main (only, actually, lua file).
00:54.51CIA-9Merge from branches -r 64298.
00:55.04PrimerDoes CIA never truncate commit messages?
00:55.19Nefarionmake a huge commit message and check  lol
00:55.26Primerwill do that next time
00:55.35Dashkalnote to self: warn before committing a large change
00:55.42Cryectlua> pairs({1,2,3})
00:55.43lua_botCryect: function: 0x6290b0, table: 0x63d9e0, nil
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00:55.48Xinhuanlua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in next, _G, nil do end;end print(os.clock() - t); local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in pairs(_G) do end;end print(os.clock() - t);
00:55.51lua_botXinhuan: 1.25, 0.55
00:55.53vhaarrPrimer: it does in here, but not in #wowace-cia
00:56.00Cryecthmm must have some sort of optimization for using pairs in for loops
00:56.02Primervhaarr: ahhh good
00:56.14Cryectlua> next
00:56.14lua_botCryect: function: 0x629a80
00:56.23Cryectoh pairs returned a different function
00:56.30Xinhuanlua> pairs({})
00:56.31lua_botXinhuan: function: 0x6290b0, table: 0x63d7d0, nil
00:56.35Dashkallua> return pairs({1, 2, 3}), _G["next"]
00:56.35lua_botDashkal: function: 0x6290b0, function: 0x629a80
00:56.45Cryectlua> ipairs({1,2,3})
00:56.45lua_botCryect: function: 0x629010, table: 0x63d9e0, 0
00:56.48Dashkalhmm, not next itself
00:56.49Xinhuanprobably one is slightly faster than the other due to implementation
00:56.52Dashkaloh well, time to jet
00:56.53Kemayokergoth: The font switching and header moving should be much improved.
00:57.20Diaowow rofl
00:57.23Diaothis 2v2 game was amazing
00:57.23NefarionXinhuan: so calling pairs wouldn't create a function that's going to be GCed after the loop?
00:57.29Xinhuannope
00:57.32Nefarionoh good
00:57.34Nefarionno worries then
00:57.35Diaopally(me)/fg lock vs sl/sl lock and disc priest
00:57.41Diaowe killed the lock's felhunter
00:57.43Diaohe fel doms
00:57.51Diaomy lock deathcoils into 3 fears
00:57.51Xinhuanyou can verify this by doing a pairs inside a pairs
00:57.55Xinhuanand seeing the return value
00:57.59Xinhuanthey are all the same function
00:58.03Diaofollowed by my HoJ then arcane torrent, 1 sec left on feldom and he summons... an imp
00:58.49Ellipsisdon't underiestimate mr. impy
00:59.05Ellipsishe can totally throw firebolts
00:59.28Diaowe wasted 2 2min cds and a 1 min cd
00:59.31Diaoto stop him from summoning an imp -_-
01:01.13Zeksiejust noticed. the Profiles option is missing from my DD menu. has attach minimap/enabled/about etc. but no profiles. what am i missing
01:01.41FtH|Daemonahmm another ptr patch?
01:02.26PrimerHrmm, file submissions for newer versions of addons are not instantaneous on curse.com?
01:03.38PrimerI did it differently this time, I used the URL to the zip file...didn't upload it locally
01:04.20Primerseems curse.com downloaded it, according to my web server's access log
01:04.25Primerguess I'll just wait
01:04.38kergothKemayo: cool, thanks
01:04.40kergothwill test it out
01:05.11CIA-903kemayo 07kemayo * r64301 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: LibQuixote-2.0: Drycode glitches in comms. Probably more to come.
01:05.45CamciCan you have totally different UI's for different chars?
01:05.58vhaarryes you can
01:06.06Camci:o
01:06.12Yssarilwhat is the duration of a buff (returned from UnitBuff()) if its an aura?
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01:08.02Yssarilnm
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01:11.55PrimerIt returns ∞
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01:22.07RaydenUnioh cool
01:22.10RaydenUnii'm still logged in
01:22.13RaydenUnistupid world server
01:22.39Primerhrmm, I don't recall it taking this long for curse.com to update my page after updloading a new version
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01:24.39RaydenUnii hope they restart the server soon
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01:26.48Primerseems all the servers are hosed
01:26.57PrimerI'm guessing their database is screwed
01:27.20Primerour realm was hosed when I was on it not long ago
01:28.32Chaudruin, rampage, shadowburn broken =O
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01:28.54PrimerAdd Gorgonnash to that list
01:29.09Chaudthat isnt a battlegroup at all =\
01:29.33Chaudisnt that realm in rampage?
01:29.38Primeryes
01:29.44Chaudthere you go =p
01:29.51PrimerI wasn't referring just to pvp
01:29.55Primerthe entire realm is hosed
01:30.17Primertook like 5 minutes to trade something with a guildy
01:32.01Chaudyeah...those 3 battlegroups are brokenm
01:36.07Arrowmastermore than that
01:37.02kenlyricgoddamn steam
01:37.06kenlyricTAKE MY MONEY!
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01:38.10Ellipsisyou tell 'em, kenlyric
01:38.51Fisker-i am going insane :(
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01:38.59Fisker-your fault
01:40.42kenlyricbioshock $29
01:40.44kenlyricmust buy
01:40.57Fisker-don't
01:41.26Fisker-really not worth it
01:41.56Chauddownload it.
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01:47.01home|prophyanyone have a MagicTrack that prints to RWarnings?
01:47.18Gngsktried afflicted?
01:48.02home|prophydont like it since it doesn't tell u "viper sting is up in 3secs"
01:49.15Chaudjust change the code that outputs it
01:49.22ChaudI dont code at all and found it pretty simple
01:50.13home|prophycan u send me ur version? =)
01:50.40Chaudlong gone to the file crap pile since I switched to afflicted
01:51.00home|prophymeant can u send me ur afflicted heh
01:51.43Chaud? all I changed was magic track to raid
01:53.58home|prophyah
01:55.02Zeksiecorrect me if i'm wrong here.. assuming i'm commiting a packaged file, i can initially commit it with the modules in the main folder, then once the initial commit is done I can check out the modules into their proper folders locally for me yes?
01:55.44Zeksieor is there some way to add package modules from where they currently are? like specifying subpath in my addon svn entry.
02:01.15WobWorkZeksie: are you talking about externals?
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02:02.00Zeksiewell. i'm not sure, they're modules in my mod. so.. should i treat them as externals that will show up in the wau file list, or should htey all be bundled together. is there any different to how i commit it
02:02.58Gngskvhaarr, http://gngsk.pastey.net/83667 take attendance -> click item to show
02:03.06ZeksieI think I have it. just wondered if there was some way to commit the modules into the right place, or is there no different in just doing it all at once when they're bundled with the main part
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02:07.25CIA-903rabbit * r64302 10NRT/NRT.lua: NRT: Bugfix?
02:07.30vhaarrGngsk: can you try again?
02:07.34Gngskyah, one sec
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02:07.54Gngskdo I have to take attendancen again or just click the item?
02:08.03vhaarrclick
02:08.08Gngskk
02:11.18Gngskaight, do you expect it to be a window with highlighted text that's a bunch of html types stuff?
02:11.23vhaarryes
02:11.27Gngskworks then
02:11.39vhaarrthanks
02:12.33Gngsknp buddy
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02:13.52Zeksiemmm. where's the change user/pass option in tortoise..
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02:16.13FtH|Daemonahmmm Sunwell Plateau is still disabled :(
02:17.15Gngskand live instance servers are hosed
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02:17.19GngskUS anyway
02:17.51FtH|Daemonaeuro went down 15min ago for a 8-10 hour maintenance
02:18.12Gngskhope your maintenance goes better than ours did :P
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02:20.12MentalPowerZeksie: theres a clear authentication option
02:22.08Zeksieit's not being clear to me.
02:22.23MentalPower?
02:22.36Zeksiethere's nothing to clear in there. it's grayed out
02:22.43Zeksieand i don't get asked for auth
02:22.56MentalPowerwhat addy are you using?
02:23.00GngskMentalPower, does norganna frequent this irc network?
02:23.20MentalPowerGngsk: yes, we have our channel(s) on this network
02:23.21MentalPowerwhy?
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02:23.39GngskI was wondering if there was a way to reset the admin password for my pastey
02:23.43Zeksiethx.. wrong addy. read it. didn't see it
02:23.54MentalPowerZeksie: np, anytime
02:24.03MentalPowerGngsk: what pastey?
02:24.28MentalPowerwe can go to PMs if you want to
02:24.56Xinhuanlua> t = {} t.return = true
02:24.56lua_botXinhuan: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near 'return'
02:25.20Xinhuanlua> t = {} t["return"] = true
02:25.20lua_botXinhuan: No output
02:25.26Xinhuanhow dumb.
02:25.38Xinhuanlua> t = {} t.end = true
02:25.39lua_botXinhuan: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near 'end'
02:25.44Xinhuanoh well
02:26.26Arrowmasterwtf
02:26.42Xinhuanthe parser isn't all that smart after all
02:26.46Hrackwhat kind of bot is that?
02:26.50Arrowmasteris that a lua_bot bug or a lua bug?
02:26.55CIA-903kemayo 07kemayo * r64303 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: LibQuixote-2.0: Drycode comms fixes.
02:27.05Xinhuanits the same error i'm getting both in game and standard lua
02:27.13CIA-903kemayo 07Ace3 * r64304 10BetterQuest/modules/ (8 files): BetterQuestTracker: Change how module enabling/disabling works.
02:27.17Xinhuanappears that reserved keywords can't be used in .blah format
02:27.42Arrowmasterlua> t = {} t.function = true
02:27.43lua_botArrowmaster: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near 'function'
02:28.15Xinhuanlua> t = {end = "abc"}
02:28.15lua_botXinhuan: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'end'
02:28.26CIA-903zeksie * r64305 10ZOMGBuffs/ (58 files in 15 dirs):
02:28.26CIA-9ZOMGBuffs: Initial Commit
02:28.26CIA-9- Raid buffing monitor, and auto rebuffer for all buffing classes.
02:28.41Zeksieyay
02:28.51Gngsk58 files in 15 dirs ZOMG indeed
02:29.00Zeksiebeen working on it a while
02:29.25Zeksienow to set externals... lalala
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02:31.09home|prophyanyone edit magictrack's .lua file how do i tell it to Grow DOWN...instead of UP
02:39.41Yssarilwhichone looks better top or bottom http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5145/auratesthz3.jpg?
02:41.01mytosbottom
02:43.09kenlyrictop
02:43.21CIA-903zeksie * r64306 10ZOMGBuffs/:
02:43.21CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
02:43.21CIA-9- Updated externals
02:43.30Gngskcan I ask what the difference is?
02:43.32Gngsklol
02:44.18dylanmThe buff textures are rotated.
02:44.22kenlyricin the bottom the icons are all in the same direction, in the top they're fanned out
02:44.47kenlyricand if rainbows are what you are looking for, the top is better
02:44.53Xinhuanthe circles look too thick
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02:45.43YssarilXinhuan: they are to minimum size to hide the incons own boarder and to get right to the corner of the icon
02:46.57Xinhuanwhat size are those icons
02:47.16Xinhuanits a bit funny that the buffs/debuffs take up 3x as much space as the actual unitframe
02:47.19Yssaril16.66666667 :P
02:47.43Xinhuansuggest halving the size
02:47.59Xinhuanand so you have 3 rows instead of 5
02:48.25CIA-903xinhuan * r64307 10BankItems/BankItems.lua: BankItems: Store an additional integer for mail items indicating their expiry date/time. Update tooltips accordingly.
02:49.11Yssarilhmm let me try one sec
02:49.43Xinhuanor maybe make the size variable and your math can do the stuff
02:49.57Xinhuani think most unitframes allow the user to set the size of each buff frame anyway
02:50.55CIA-903zeksie * r64308 10ZOMGBuffs/ (. embeds.xml):
02:50.55CIA-9ZOMGBuffs:
02:50.56CIA-9- Fixed externals
02:51.40Yssarilhttp://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8887/8pixgq3.jpg kinda small
02:52.04mytosacctually, that looks better
02:52.32Yssarilbut you cant tell what each icon is :P
02:52.41mytosyea you can
02:53.17CIA-903zeksie * r64309 10ZOMGBuffs/:
02:53.17CIA-9ZOMGBuffs:
02:53.17CIA-9- Really fixed externals. Don't get me started on case sensitivity..
02:53.23Zeksiewill get it right at some point..
02:54.04Zeksiesigh
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02:56.40CIA-903zeksie * r64310 10ZOMGBuffs/:
02:56.40CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
02:56.40CIA-9- And finally... some fixed externals.
02:56.48Xinhuan:)
02:57.02Zeksiego go consistant lib pathing
02:57.24Zeksieyay. it works now
02:57.40Xinhuancan you briefly describe what zomgbuffs does?
02:57.41Yssarilhow about http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1060/40om8.jpg <--- 11pixel wide
02:57.56Zeksiewell. for most classes it'll just be another buff mod... but:
02:58.09Zeksieit has a popup raid list which gives an at a glance raid overview of raid buffs
02:58.16Xinhuangot a SS?
02:58.25Zeksieemmm. not this moment.
02:58.29Zeksiemaybe
02:58.48Yssarilif wow ever alows 400 buffs debuffs this is how it will look http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/15/400dr6.jpg :P
02:58.54Xinhuanyss, i forgot what the extra health/mana bars are for
02:59.07YssarilXinhuan: ToT
02:59.12Zeksiebut for paladins, it'll be great. auto generated blessing assignments based on talents, and who's in raid, and their subclass assignments (druid healers vs druid tanks for example)
02:59.15Yssarilfocus is hidden in those shots
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02:59.31Zeksiejust click one button and all the blessings are setup
02:59.32Xinhuanso ToT is on the left outer bars right?
02:59.41Yssarilyes
02:59.42Xinhuanis there anything on the right outer bars?
02:59.49Yssarilfocus target
02:59.58ZhinjioXinhuan: what hud is that???
03:00.01Zhinjiothats pretty damn sexy
03:00.07Zhinjioand I don't even like huds
03:00.08Xinhuanits Yssarils unit frame
03:00.34Xinhuanlooks pretty cute and has a nice curvy feeling to it
03:00.52Zhinjiohmm.
03:01.17ZhinjioYssaril: is it just self/target/tot/focus, or does it include party/raid as well?
03:01.35GngskKaelten, ping
03:01.47Yssarilwill be just self/pet/pettarget/target/targetttarget/focus
03:01.57Kaeltenhi
03:01.57Zhinjiook
03:02.07Yssarilam not sure if i will deal with party/raid frames
03:02.20Zhinjioyeah, thats compltely acceptable given its look/feel
03:02.27Xinhuanyou can have a circle, divided into 4 quarters for party
03:02.29Xinhuan:D
03:02.47Xinhuanbut it'll take up a lot of space
03:02.56Zeksieoddly, don't have any screenshots atm. i should make some
03:03.02Xinhuancompared to any standard unit party frame
03:03.06GngskKaelten, was curious about svn accounts that were created before that crash a long time ago. I had one back then not sure if it's still active.
03:03.16Zhinjioperhaps half circles that could be vertical (mounted on left/right side of screen for party
03:03.20Zhinjionow that I'm thinking of it.
03:03.25Xinhuanand you will still need to add indicators
03:03.33Zhinjioand party/pet, party/target could be included somehow
03:03.34Zhinjioheh
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03:04.02Kaeltenit may or may not still be active
03:04.06Xinhuansuch as group number, Master Loot, pvp/resting indicators, class symbols, elite/rare/mob classification, etc
03:04.16Xinhuanto make the hud display more useful
03:04.18Gngskshould I just apply for a new one regardless then?
03:04.22Xinhuanand of course, combo points
03:04.34ZhinjioYssaril: I hope you're not taking this as critique. heh
03:04.50YssarilXinhuan: yar
03:04.51Zhinjiojust seeing potential/sexiness
03:05.14YssarilZhinjio: nope thats why i am talking about it cause feedback is always good :)
03:05.31Zhinjiodoes it have to be mounted bottom center or can it be mounted like in a corner (topright, for example) and be tilted to accomodate?
03:05.52ZhinjioI almost always have my unit frames top right
03:05.56Zhinjioall of them
03:05.58mytosZeksie: what is the general buff display like, if its anything like buffalo id like to check that out, and if im not a pally would i be able to specify the buffing for pallies as a raid leader?
03:06.01Yssariljust as is atm it dosnt even ahve a config :P
03:06.15Zeksieit's not a buff bar mod. let's get this straight from the start ;)
03:06.38Zhinjiomy last UI had: http://geo.trippy.org/images/zjui8/all-UF.jpg
03:06.42Zhinjioto make my point
03:06.51ZhinjioI just like having everything in one place so my eyes don't have to wander
03:06.58mytosZeksie: i dont use buffalo as a bar, i basically use it to move and resize my buffs currently
03:07.04Zeksieit's an auto buffer. the popup raid view doubles to let you rebuff ppl on a click (it'll highlight ppl missing stuff)
03:07.17Yssarilfor party/raid i was thinking something like http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1130/partytestgf8.jpg 2 semicircles interlocked (though circular bars are kind of a recourcehog when it comes to update them)
03:07.18RaydenUniyou guys know if the servers are more stable now?
03:07.33kenlyricno
03:07.41Zhinjioah, nice.
03:07.43RaydenUniyou don't know or they are still unstable?
03:07.49kenlyricstill unstable
03:07.53RaydenUnibummer
03:08.02mytosZeksie: ok so its more like pallypower/bigbrother smashed together?
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03:08.36Groktaroooh
03:08.44Groktar2 decursers for archimonde
03:08.45Zeksieyeah. kinda pallypower, bb, smartbuff combo
03:08.47Groktarthis should be fun
03:08.59Zeksiebut goes so far beyond pallypowre
03:09.34Zeksieonce you tell it who's a druid tank/healer, dps warrior etc. you'll never need worry about assignments again
03:09.58CryectYssaril, why not just make a Yin and Yang while you are it
03:10.07Zeksiehas a self buff module too of course.
03:10.19Zeksieauto crusader aura, and all that stuff
03:10.37YssarilCryect: thought about it but way to much of a pain to get to fill properly :P
03:10.42Cryecthehe
03:10.53Cryectwas just thinking that object looks so much like it kinda :-p
03:11.00KaeltenGngsk: send the email and mention your old name and that you lost the password, and I'll reset it for you
03:11.25Yssarilyea its kinda where i got the idea for the portential look
03:11.26GngskKaelten, ok will do that, thanks.
03:11.30Yssaril*potential
03:13.03Yssarilwhat u think of the blind guy version http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1324/wowscrnshot031108221156ua7.jpg :P
03:13.57Cryectuh
03:13.58Xinhuani think your border coloring of the debuffs
03:14.03Xinhuanshould be based on not the distance
03:14.06Xinhuanto the center
03:14.13Xinhuanbut should be the color of the type of debuff
03:14.20Xinhuanaka blue for magic, purple for curses, etc
03:14.23Zhinjiothat would make me blind.
03:14.24Xinhuangreen for poisons
03:14.25YssarilXinhuan: i jsut did it this way for testing :P
03:14.27mytosZeksie: would it save setups across raids? so if i have a core group of 20 and all my buffers are in that group itll stick?
03:14.51Yssarilbtw anyway to detect that for buffs? i know UnitDeBuffs returns with a type
03:14.52Zeksieyup
03:15.14Xinhuanmytos, my understanding is that, its a 1-click setup, so remembering setups is kinda redundant ;p
03:15.19Zeksieit doesn't matter which paladins join the raid, you can just click generate on the manager and it'll work out who can do what and which players you have and set it all up
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03:15.23CIA-9CloseUp
03:15.23CIA-9- toc update, enabled warlock's pets support
03:15.38mytosZeksie: and will it require all my raiders to run it aswell, it took me weeks to get them on omen, itll take me forever to get them on this if we all have to run it
03:15.43Zeksienope
03:15.49Yssariland the current gradient is not actuall from the center :P but just a i/40 where i is the aura frame number :P
03:15.58Zeksiethe paladins, maybe.. Although it will interface with PallyPower (this needs heavier testing)
03:16.42Zeksiehas a chat responder too, so picky druids who like to tank and dps can remotely request salv or whatever as and when they need to
03:17.39mytosZeksie: at this point i love you, after testing this may change to absolute hatred for making me fall in love with an impossible concept lol
03:18.00home|prophyanyone edit magictrack's .lua file how do i tell it to Grow DOWN...instead of UP
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03:21.48NeoTronman whomever said that Forte Warlock is bad is correct
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03:23.20CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
03:23.20CIA-9- Update locale koKR
03:23.40mytosZeksie: its not lookin good i got an error right off the bat lol
03:23.58Gngskhome|prophy, any reason you're using magictrack over afflicted?
03:25.02Zeksiedo tell
03:25.16YssarilNeoTron: i could have told you that before you tried it :P
03:26.03mytossomething to do with "ipairs" i clicked it off but if you want the exact error i can relog
03:26.23Zeksiepls
03:26.46Zeksiehad to do some reworking to make the packages work, so might have overlooked something
03:27.49Zeksiewill delete my config too. should have done that really
03:34.34NeoTronYssaril: the arch example of why people asks for "aced" versions
03:34.47Yssarillol
03:36.34Yssarilanyone know of a way to get the bufftype of a particular buff for your target?
03:36.47NeoTronI think my next addon will be a warlock addon
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03:38.08RaydenUniso they put up a list of servers to do maintenance on tomorrow morning
03:38.13RaydenUniDestromath is not on the list
03:38.15RaydenUniwhy not?
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03:38.57mytosZeksie: you get that tell?.
03:41.48Zeksiemm./ no?
03:42.04kenlyricit'll be all of them by the morning, rayden
03:42.10Zeksiefoudn a couple of problems with no config, so am going thru the startup
03:42.14Zeksie2 mins
03:42.15mytosalright the error is in ZOMGbuffs_buffTehTaid.lua   683: bad argument #1 to 'iaprs' (table expected, got nil
03:42.41ckknightTaid?
03:42.55ZeksieHe typed that i think :)
03:43.09Zeksieprolly same error with all modules
03:43.13kenlyrici'll buff your taid, baby
03:44.20Zeksiemytos: what's you class&level on that one?
03:45.36CIA-903ckknight * r64314 10LibDogTag-3.0/ (Compiler.lua Modules/Misc.lua test.lua):
03:45.36CIA-9LibDogTag-3.0 - optimizations
03:45.36CIA-9- when doing [Alpha:~Bravo(...)], if Bravo returns nil, then return Alpha instead of "True", which makes more sense all in all, especially if ~Bravo is an alias for something else
03:45.36CIA-9- add tag IsIn, e.g. ['Alpha':IsIn('Bravo', 'Charlie')] => nil, [1:IsIn(1, 2, 3)] => 1
03:45.38CIA-9- add tag Hide, alias for ~IsIn, e.g. ['Alpha':Hide('Bravo', 'Charlie')] => "Alpha", [1:Hide(1, 2, 3)] => nil
03:45.40CIA-9- fix unaliasing bug
03:48.00RaydenUnianyone else feel that helboars seem to aggro from a much farther range than other mobs?
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03:49.24Yssarilthey have a keen sense of smell RaydenUni
03:49.31kenlyricdistances are funny sometimes
03:49.42kenlyricthey're larger than other boars.
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03:53.27CIA-903zeksie * r64315 10ZOMGBuffs/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
03:53.27CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
03:53.27CIA-9- Fixed blank config error with Blessings Manager
03:53.27CIA-9- Fixed wrong class expected in Raid Buffer
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03:54.07RaydenUniwow almost got eaten by a fel reaver
03:56.57kenlyricis this your first time in outland?
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03:57.57CIA-9Recount2:
03:57.58CIA-9-Adds Detail Windows which allow you to group on data and drill down on the grouping you want at each layer currently only lets you select the top grouping
04:00.06RaydenUnino
04:00.17RaydenUni2nd character
04:00.22RaydenUnii hated helboars just as much the first time around
04:00.49RaydenUnisomething i didn't notice before
04:01.00RaydenUniall the first quests seem to be me either feral leather stuff or caster leather stuff
04:01.06RaydenUnibut not both at the same time
04:01.40RaydenUniso i am getting a feral set and a resto/caster set at the same time
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04:05.46WobWorkI always find my early 60s are like "Hi2uBoaromgomgomgnotthefacenotthefacearrgh"
04:06.12WobWorkAlthough it's good training for aggro range understanding
04:06.42mytosi think hellfire should have been in the game prebc to teach hunter raid awareness before running mc and bwl
04:06.49RaydenUnihellfire peninsula just sucks
04:06.58RaydenUniif after 60 levels you don't understand aggro range you have no hope
04:07.05RaydenUniheh
04:07.29mytosi dunno, aggro ranges before outland and after are way different imo
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04:07.45CIA-9AckisRecipeList:
04:07.45CIA-9- zhCN localization update
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04:09.25Zeksiemytos: don't think tells working from you? erm.. what was ur class and level when you had that error, and did you run it unpackaged or as it was on svn?
04:10.18mytosyeah i dont think your gettin em, the error i listed was from the packaged on the website.
04:11.04mytosi just pulled it off the updater and the old error is gone but im getting a new one, same lua file but the error is 561: attempt to index upvalue 'template'
04:11.37Zeksieyes. just posted fix for that one which prolly isbn't on wau yet
04:11.53mytosok, can i request a feature
04:11.57Zeksieprolly
04:12.23mytosi hate command prompt with a passion, any chance i can get a rightclick menu on the icon display?
04:12.40Zeksiethere's a minimap/fubar icon atm.
04:12.51Zeksiethe other floating icon is for the raid popup
04:12.59Zeksieand to tell u what's gonna get buffed
04:13.01mytosoh is there, i must have missed it, lemme dig around
04:13.19Zeksiepurplish icon thing
04:14.10mytosnevermind, it decided to showup on an obscure part of fubar thats only supposed to show closegnome lol
04:14.17Zeksieheh
04:15.33Zeksieuntil u update, you can ignore the error. just select some default template that's provided for whichever one is missing one.
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04:16.57CIA-903kemayo 07kemayo * r64318 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: LibQuixote-2.0: Missed updating an index, and thus Objective_Update callbacks weren't firing.
04:18.34mytoshow long does it usually take between you uploading to the svn and it updating on the updater list
04:19.21WobWork15min?
04:19.37mytosok
04:19.48mytosZeksie: you are an angel man
04:19.55KemayoThe script runs every 20 minutes.
04:19.56Zeksie\o/
04:20.37mytosZeksie: you just outdated like four mods and 5 macros man lol
04:20.42Zeksieheh
04:21.18mytosand the including ooc in it, touch of genius
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04:21.42Zeksieooc? /blink
04:22.01mytosomen of clarity
04:22.20Zeksieoh. just that? that's all simple stuff
04:23.54Zeksiei don't have access to all classes, so some of the buffs it has listed for say warlocks or something else i don't have, might not make sense. but i'm sure someone will let me know when that happens.
04:24.32Zeksiesince you're a druid, check out the auto-buy reagents thing
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04:25.10mytosyeah, already had it setup lol
04:25.14Zeksieheh
04:25.38Zeksiei've gotta make that so it puts new stacks into same bag you already have stuff of that type in, but that's a detail
04:26.07mytoswhat would it take to writeup a mod to make certain items only go in certain bags
04:26.12RaydenUnigetting 1000 AP isn't nearly as exciting as getting 1000 shadow damage was
04:26.27mytos1000ap on what class?
04:26.57RaydenUnidruid
04:27.03RaydenUnicat
04:27.10Zeksiewell. you'd have to catch inv changes and then see what new items were.. that would require remembering for a generic mod. i can make shortcuts tho since i know what i'm expecting to come
04:27.22mytosby the time you hit t4 youll be pushing 3k dude, 1k isnt alot lol
04:27.34RaydenUnii know
04:27.41RaydenUnii'm lvl 59
04:28.00RaydenUniwhich is why getting 1000AP is less exciting than 1000 shadow
04:28.06sag_ich_nicht[01:40] <@Funkeh`> I emailed the dudes @ qfx software about keyscrambler not working with Fx3 b4, they emailed me back a working beta <--b4 is out?
04:28.06sag_ich_nichtnice
04:28.16RaydenUnimy ~T5 shadow priest only has about 1080 shadow
04:28.31mytosZeksie: basically id like something that would let me specify which bags gear go in, so when i go to the bank and hit the banker option in closetgnome its all isolate to 3 bags and not everywhere
04:29.24Zeksieyeha. i hate that.. visa versa too, when gnome scatters your gear all over bank.... grumble
04:29.53RaydenUnii've never noticed
04:30.00RaydenUniof course i didn't know gnome could send to bank
04:30.04RaydenUniand i use arkinventory
04:30.24mytosi could never get used to that
04:30.32mytosi tried, but it was just annoying
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04:30.55Zeksiethat fix is on wau now
04:31.03mytosawesome
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04:31.49Zeksieif you deal with paladin buffs, you should check out the manager. you'll have to tell it to 'always load' to get it to show outside of raid, not being a paladin yourself
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04:32.04mytosalright
04:32.25Murkhello
04:32.41Zeksieanyway. i need to get to bed. it's 4:30am here. and i have to wake up in erm.. 3 hours.
04:32.51mytoslater man
04:32.57Zeksielater
04:33.00MurkI've just formatted my computer and now I'm getting all my WoW addons.  Do I have to download Ace 2 through WAU FIRST before I install the other addons?
04:33.51Murkanyone?
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04:36.23Cryectno WAU gets whatever it needs
04:37.44Murkthank you
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04:58.12CIA-9Recount2:
04:58.12CIA-9-Detail Window can drill down additional layers now example at http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9158/recount2detailprelimzq5.jpg
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05:31.25CIA-9Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0
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06:16.16CIA-9Scrub: 1.1.7
06:16.17CIA-9- DRUID: Removed Brutal Impact check
06:16.17CIA-9- DRUID: Removed Brambles check
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06:16.30WobWorkWe don't need no scrub?
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06:39.18Sarozneed more buff addons for raid checking
06:39.21Sarozthere simply ARENT enough
06:39.24Sarozamirite?
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07:10.27ZhinjioGood evening, Ellipsis.
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07:14.30MentalPowernevcairiel: I'm curious, why not use UTF-8 BOM?
07:14.54nevcairielbecause lua doesnt like it
07:15.05MentalPowerWoW is fine with it
07:15.28nevcairielbut our testing scripts that run with standalone lua are not
07:15.37MentalPowerah, point
07:15.53nevcairieland UTF-8 encoding without the header works fine too
07:16.01nevcairielexcept your editor is awfully broken
07:16.04MentalPoweryup
07:18.27Arrowmasteryou can make lua accept utf8 boms fine
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07:18.53MentalPowerhow?
07:19.07MentalPowerother than modifying the Lua binaries
07:19.32Arrowmasterother than modifying the binaries? no clue
07:20.03MentalPower~lart Arrowmaster
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07:31.42ThePooBurnerdoes anyone know where i can find more complete documentation for Recount besides the 1 page that is in the wowace/wiki?
07:32.24Nandinithere isn't any other documentation that i'm aware of
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07:32.42Nandinido you have a specific question? we might be able to help you with that
07:33.01Brunersdo you really need documentation for it?
07:33.41ThePooBurnerWell, it isn't clear if unchecking "Global data collection" will shut of all the monnitering or not
07:33.46ThePooBurnerit seems to, though
07:34.00Nandinii have no clue what that option does
07:34.29ThePooBurnerAlso, i want to delete a specific attack/mob from the database since it is hosing over my stats.  The Fire Bomb on the Horde Halaa Guards.
07:34.50ThePooBurner4.8 million damage kind of scews the results of the rest of my attacks
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07:35.23Nandiniif you click your name in the damage done list, it will show you all the abilities you used
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07:35.37Nandinifind the firebomb one, right click on it, there may be an option to delete that
07:35.38ThePooBurnerPretty much i want to delete everyone besides me from the database, and track only me
07:35.51ThePooBurneryes i know, but in the graph screen that comes up i cannot delete attacks
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07:36.29ThePooBurnerleft or right clicking merly highlights/stickies the attack you are looking at rather than switching to the others on mouseover
07:36.39Nandiniin that case, in options, uncheck "show" and "record" data for everyone except "self"
07:37.17Nandiniand reset your data collection after you finish halaa
07:37.27ThePooBurnerWhich people do "grouped" and "ungrouped" refer to?
07:37.41Nandinithat refers to friendly players in your group, or not in your group, that you see combat log events for
07:37.59ThePooBurnerwell, i don't want to nuke the whole database.  I am keeping a running total of everything that I do.
07:38.01ThePooBurnerok
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07:38.51ThePooBurnerI could go through the lua myself, but my name appears so many times throughout the table that i have no condifence in editing the database correctly
07:39.20Nandiniwhy do you need a running total? recount is really geared toward analyzing your performance for a specific timeframe, not for all eternity
07:40.06Nandiniplus if you have different gear or different buffs, the information won't really be comparable over time
07:40.53ThePooBurnerHmm.  That is a good point about gear and such
07:41.27ThePooBurnerThough knowing how much dmage i've ever done with a specific attack *is* fun to know
07:41.56Nandiniyour computer will eventually grind to a halt, no matter how much memory you have, if you never clear recount's data. heheh
07:42.35ThePooBurnerI've had recount for 4 levels now, 63-67, and the file is ~10mb
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07:43.00ThePooBurnerthough i had a few "recods" set that i probably didn't need to since the documentation doesn't exist
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07:46.14zypherherro out dar
07:46.20zypher@ 12:46 am
07:46.21zypher:)
07:46.26ThePooBurnerAhh, i think i've just figured out how to clear the DB of everyone but me.  checking the "show in main window" box for everything just put them all in the list, so now i can delete them all
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07:48.51zypher:L
07:48.56ThePooBurnerWel, i guess that is it.  Thanks for the help with the check boxes.  I should be able to collect just what i want now
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07:54.41Orionshockquestion, does pally's Vindication work on VR in TK?
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08:07.54ThorgardOrionshock, I believe it's one of the few bosses it does work on, yeah. In 2.3 anyway.. in 2.4, not so much.
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08:39.51Orionshockhum...
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08:40.15Orionshockme thinks next addon i make will help with raid leading with some simple frames and predefined yells
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08:40.58keisspredefined yells will get ignored by the raiders eventually ... :)
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08:45.22Orionshockwell things like heal assignments and "PULLING"
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08:53.45nEWmcan somebody tell me how to add casting bars for my raid members in grid^^?
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08:54.28keissdont think you can
08:55.02nEWmi saw some movies with "raid" castingbars, do you know another addon for this maybe?^^ pls
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08:55.54Elsiamorning
08:56.02keiss(why would you want to know what 25ppl are casting at the same time ?)
08:56.30nEWmi have to analyse the play stile of some members to improve it
08:56.31Orionshocksome ppl like to look at useless junk
08:57.08keissnEWm: and you manage to do it for multiple people at the same time ? just set who you want as Focus target and use quartz for example ?
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08:57.12evlnEWm: use /focus=?
08:57.24Zeksiewell. u could use a parser and see how many shadow bolts, whatever one warlock shoots compared to another.  as an example
08:57.51Zeksieactivity time would be useful too if you're hunting slackers
08:58.04keissactually the default UI has casting bars too now , so just setting focus target = win
08:58.22nEWmmany thanks, i will try it
08:58.53evlkeiss: default ui doesn't have a focus frame :P
08:59.07syerenJust use WWS, problem solved.
08:59.45keissevl: right ... iam too used to addons :D
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09:30.01StanzillaKaelten: fish restart plx :)
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10:14.32CIA-1003zeksie * r64336 10ZOMGBuffs/ (12 files in 7 dirs):
10:14.33CIA-10ZOMGBuffs
10:14.33CIA-10- Removed colourizing from toc files for author name (looked poop in WAU).
10:14.33CIA-10- Won't depend on SharedMedia-3.0, but will use any that exist.
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10:17.39OrionshockZeksie: the ZOMGBuff mod of yours, the manager, does it synch with other clients?
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10:24.56[Endeavour]Is there any DewDrop or something similar available with Ace3?
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10:26.27Orionshock[Endeavour]: no
10:26.41[Endeavour]:(
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10:28.23Orionshockdewdrop got shamed into oblivion, devs are itchie with making another dewdrop anything
10:32.50Zeksie*shrug* I like it..
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10:34.59dylanmAsking most people to configure things with Dewdrop is cruel and you know it.
10:35.31Elsiadewdrop is fine, but not for everything
10:35.37Zeksiedepends how many options there are really. if there's 80 menus or so, then yeah. prolly
10:35.59Elsiadropdown menus have use, and dewdrop does do more things than the default blizz dropdowns. just in many cases just using the blizz one is fine and faster
10:36.12Elsiathere really should be a libstubbed dewdrop
10:38.18Zeksieggrumble... i hate that ace3 replaces the ace2 /print command... i know i can use /dump, but i was quite happy in the habit of typing /print..
10:38.24Orionshockwtb incubators tablet fixed :\
10:38.57ElsiaI miss /rl actually, but I should just write a tiny addon that offers that I guess :P, and possibly /print
10:39.19Zeksiei thought it had /rl
10:39.35Elsianope
10:40.12OrionshockElsia: ace console and ace3-SA provide it
10:40.30Elsiawhat's ace3-sa?
10:40.38Orionshockstand-alone
10:40.57Elsiahmm
10:41.07ElsiaI see. I embed ace3 so no /rl
10:41.12Orionshockmeh
10:41.20Zeksieace3:OnInit... register bla ("rl").
10:41.25Orionshocki run standalone because im ocd
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10:41.52ElsiaI think standalone is fine, but I gotta test with ace3 embedded because loads of people will run it that way
10:42.02Orionshockvery true
10:42.07Orionshockhad that problem myself
10:43.10Elsiahmm i see ace3.lua also registers print
10:43.24Zeksieyeah, does it in main OnInitialize
10:43.47Orionshockya, much debate about putting those 2 things in...
10:43.52Orionshockmuch resistance
10:43.56Elsiahmm gief disembedded ace3.lua :D
10:44.10Zeksieif they're gonna replace the same command, it really needs to do the same thing
10:44.41Orionshocki'd like to disable the thing.
10:44.47ElsiaI could have lived with ace3 not providing these... just a separate little addon doing it. but it's not a big deal unless you are hyper-minimalist
10:44.49Orionshockbut i use /dump from what prat does
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10:45.07OrionshockElsia: hence it's only in standalone :D
10:46.09Elsiamaybe I'll hack my own little ace3slash.lua which doesn't embed anything so I can still test embedded ace3
10:46.43Orionshockthere was talk about a "Ace3Debug" but it got nix'ed iirc
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10:56.25Elsiaalright, have my little SlashAce3 now, which just provides /rl and /print without embedding all of ace3
10:57.51selckinwhen did this framework hate beging?
10:58.01selckinor more importantly why
10:58.36Grumand why call it slash ace?
10:58.44Grumthats just pathetic :)
10:58.57ElsiaI think it's funny :D
10:59.06Elsiaand it's SlashAce3 :D
10:59.15Grumsigh
10:59.21Grumabout as funny as calling you a moron i guess
10:59.22Elsialike Ace3Slash better?
10:59.27Zeksiemmm. does WAU default to having Unpack Addons to OFF?
10:59.38Grumno its defaultly on Zeksie
10:59.42Zeksiei thought so
10:59.53Elsiawhat's distinctly not funny is the lack of ability to take things lightly
10:59.54Zeksietwo new users in guild having problems and it was off for both of them
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11:00.08Zeksieswearing they didn't touch it
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11:01.31Elsiasel: read grum and understand why there is hate: thin skins, lack of humor, latent aggression... some reasons but not all. there are good reasons too like trying to make things better, having sensible memory footprints and efficiency etc.
11:02.06GrumElsia: the thing is you aggrevate people because you think its fun
11:02.31Grumsurely no-one should 'hate' for something like this, i wont at least :)
11:02.34Elsiagrum: I wasn't even aware that it was a problem until you threw the words pathetic and moron around
11:02.45ElsiaI love ace3 and still can call an addon SlashAce3
11:02.54Grumand you confuse everyone?
11:03.02Elsiathe lack of humor is the problem not how you name some innoccent _unreleased_ personal addon
11:03.13Grumomg you will release it? ;D
11:03.17ElsiaI confuse everyone by calling an addon that only I use SlashAce3?
11:03.21ElsiaI should
11:03.31Elsiajust because some people want to have long IRC arguments over an addon name
11:03.31Grumyou should, it will prolly be purged because it clashes ;D
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11:04.01Elsiawanna know the real reason why I called it SlashAce3?
11:04.19Elsiabecause I thought Ace3Slash would give the false impression it's part of Ace3 proper
11:04.37Elsiabut people are so thin skinned that everything is problematic... I really wonder why
11:04.47SnagoShould call it SlashAsAce3 imho ;)
11:04.57Zeksieand so much snappier than "ElsiasHackModToGivePrintAndRlCommands"
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11:05.07Elsiahehe
11:05.20ElsiaAddonNameToPissOfGrum works too it seems
11:05.32Grumnah i can live with that;D
11:05.59Elsiaso we literally had a discussion about an addon that only I use, that's funny actually :D
11:06.38Grumyeah :D
11:06.44Grumgreat isnt it? :)
11:07.03Grumbut on a serious note, i think you've missed all the massive flamewars around frameworks :D
11:07.30ElsiaI've had enough of the little that I saw already
11:08.04Ellipsiso rly?
11:08.09Grumyarly!
11:08.18SnagoHmm... X-AceForum in the toc don't work anymore?
11:08.19Ellipsisoh now it's on
11:08.21[Endeavour]stop behaving like kids
11:08.30Ellipsisno u!
11:08.52Grum!
11:08.56Ellipsis!
11:09.01Elsia.
11:09.58Snagolua> "Grum" and "Ellipsis" == "mature"
11:09.59lua_botSnago: false
11:10.19Grumlua> "Ellipsis" == "mature"
11:10.19lua_botGrum: false
11:10.20SnagoThats what I though
11:10.22Grum=D
11:10.24Snagot
11:10.37Ellipsis>:(
11:10.46Grumno need to add me to the equasion!
11:10.56ElsiaI like the Grum: false
11:11.18Grum~fail Grum
11:11.19purlYou suck at everything in life, Grum. I hate you because you fail.
11:11.25Grumamagawd he got mean
11:11.45Grumpsst Ellipsis, i am going to make that addon ;D
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11:20.16Uhuruhi
11:22.00Uhurui want to report bugs for cryolysis2 but there is no contact information on http://wowace.com/wiki/Cryolysis_2, no official post on the forum and my bug report post on the forum seems to not be read by the devellopers, someone know how can i contact paene or belazor (the authors) ?
11:22.45GrumEllipsis: http://dl.dwim.org/~ebroes/IRL/ !
11:23.13Ellipsisjerk :(
11:23.30Grummy pleasure *bow*
11:24.23Industriallol
11:24.49Ellipsishay what are you laughing at :(
11:25.23Orionshock<PROTECTED>
11:25.25Orionshock:D
11:25.58sacarascgrats?
11:25.59Uhurusolarian is weak
11:27.29sacarascthat's quite a lot of spirit
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11:31.00CIA-903grum * r64338 10IRL/: This addon will make Ellipsis crai \o/
11:31.18keisshm , twice now i encountared a weird bug in bartender (i guess), my inner focus icon is ready , but i cant use it from the bar (works from spellbook), rest of the abilities on the bar work ok ...
11:31.42IndustrialGrum: dont put it on the SVN :|
11:31.47IndustrialGrum: thats pollution
11:31.59sacarasclol
11:32.18EllipsisIndustrial: and when the great SVN cleanup comes and destroys !AlarLib for good, I'm sure IRL will go with it
11:32.27Industrialthats not the point
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11:34.21lhunathand when will that be?
11:34.39Uhuruis paene come here sometimes ?
11:34.45Ellipsis~seen paene
11:34.46purlpaene <n=Jim@24-236-181-169.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 28d 13h 57m 42s ago, saying: 'depends on the group makeup :)'.
11:34.52Ellipsisguess not lately
11:34.54Uhuru28 days :/
11:34.58Uhuruok thank's
11:35.18Uhuru~seen belazor
11:35.19purlbelazor <n=Vulcanus@217-233-160.231210.adsl.tele2.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 60d 16h 40m 6s ago, saying: 'remind*'.
11:35.26Uhurulol
11:35.48CIA-903elkano * r64339 10Mendeleev/ (Mendeleev.lua Mendeleev.toc): Mendeleev: fixed double data on recipes
11:36.09Ellipsislhunath: the "when" isn't important. what's important is that we have faith in our leaders to do the right thing!
11:36.17Orionshockdid they shit the ptr and redo alot of stuf?
11:37.14CIA-903grum * r64340 10IRL/ (IRL.lua IRL.toc):
11:37.14CIA-9IRL:
11:37.14CIA-9- With files now! (does nothing ofc)
11:37.41Grumbut now you can tell your friends you has irl!
11:37.44Grumand you wont be lying!
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11:38.40Grumyou cant has one Ellipsis !
11:38.48Ellipsis=[
11:39.01Grumnow code! *cracks whip*
11:39.29Finhey, so, you know Second Life?
11:39.31Grumthen again, i bet its one of the smallest addons you have ;D
11:39.40Grumand you can even optimize it away!
11:40.06Finand people can like, create all sorts of stuff, whatever they want, as part of the virtual environment there?
11:40.20ZhinjioFin: yes
11:40.21Grumarent we living that?
11:40.25FinI wonder if anyone's made a virtual WoW
11:40.41Grumprolly not, i've taken a look once and it made me crai
11:40.49Grumeven on my nintendo 8bit shit looked cooler
11:40.51Ellipsismy mom plays second life :(
11:40.52Zhinjioso your avatar will sit at a desk and be motionless for hours on end while chatting virtually with others?
11:41.01[Endeavour]local goodlife = { ["Good Job"] = true, ["nice wife"] = true, ["Phat car"] = true, } usw ?^^
11:41.04Grummotionless?
11:41.21Grumwhen i chat with Ellipsis i surely am not!
11:41.28Grumat least my hands move
11:42.01Ellipsislocal goodlife = { ["No Job"] = true, ["No Wife"] = true, ["Endless money and sex"] = true }
11:42.03Ellipsisimo
11:42.11[Endeavour]rofl
11:42.13[Endeavour]haha
11:42.29Zhinjionice if you can get it, I suppose.
11:42.37Ellipsis:)
11:42.39Zhinjioanyway, on that note, I need to sleep. Peace y'all.
11:42.45Ellipsisnight Zhinjio
11:42.51Grumi has job, i has gf, i has no life, i has wow, i has cookies, i has cats, i has happy!
11:43.04[Endeavour]but mh, goodlife[1] != goodlife[3] !
11:43.07Grumoh .. i has house!
11:43.17Ellipsis[Endeavour]: then you're doing it wrong
11:43.25Grumi has Ellipsis
11:43.35CIA-903elsia * r64341 10/branches/SlashAce3/:
11:43.35CIA-9SlashAce3:
11:43.35CIA-9- Initial Import. Provides /rl and /print shorthand for debugging. Use when you don't have ace3.lua or other sources that provide this (embedded testng of ace3 for example).
11:43.35CIA-9- Dedicated to Grum who needs to grow a sense of humor.
11:43.36CIA-9- SlashAce3 is a friend of all frameworks and considers big addons equal but different. SlashAce3 shuns the word "bloat" as misused and unfriendly.
11:43.40Grumhahaha :D
11:44.03GrumElsia: you know that there is something like DevTools right? :D
11:44.05[Endeavour]best commit ever :D
11:44.07Ellipsisat least name the addon something remotely related to what it does
11:44.24GrumEllipsis: haha dont bother, i got shunned, pinned and shamed already ;D
11:44.35Grumlets just stop at worshipping with you kk ?
11:44.44Ellipsisum, k
11:44.54Ellipsisbut Elsia likes me :(
11:45.20Grumah well, i am fairly sure i used a smiley when i typed the message that it was stupid
11:45.30Grumbut hell, i am named now! mruahahaha ./me profits
11:45.35JoshBorkeElsia: should have called it RockSlashAce
11:45.41GrumEllipsis: i has my name in addon, sex?
11:46.11Grumi'm off making a bug report for SlashAce3 :D
11:47.44Grumomg someone drowned fish! (its not working for some reason)
11:48.11dylanmGrum: Yeah noticed that around midday yesterday.
11:48.44Grumit works ocasionally
11:48.49Grumbut the html ends up being garbled
11:48.56Grumlook at:
11:48.57Grum<PROTECTED>
11:48.57Grum<PROTECTED>
11:49.00Grumthat just isnt right ;D
11:49.05CIA-903elsia * r64342 10/branches/SlashAce3/ (SlashAce3.lua SlashAce3.toc):
11:49.05CIA-9SlashAce3:
11:49.05CIA-9- Added actual content.
11:49.31EllipsisGrum: it always does that
11:49.39Ellipsislarge files have like a 50% chance to make it choke
11:49.54Grumkek
11:50.22EllipsisI don't know what it thinks it's doing
11:51.10Orionshockaaa Zeksie ... your addon suffers from inspect lag
11:51.13Grumpssst Elsia, you clearly lengthened the debate! :D
11:51.27Elsiagrum: I'll do my best to shorten it
11:52.04Elsiathe debate continues because people can't loosen up. if something like that addon ticks off anybody, that's the problem of anybody not the addon
11:52.28Ellipsisyour addon is poorly named, doesn't that bother you?
11:52.53Grumoh well .. my first relevant line: [11:58:44] <Grum> thats just pathetic :)
11:52.54Elsiathat's a good point though, but a lot of addons around are really poorly named
11:53.00GrumAMAGAWZ it has smiley!
11:53.06Ellipsistrue, but very few are so blatantly misleading
11:53.13GrumElsia: so because other people are stupid you can be stupid as well?
11:53.16Elsiait's not meant to be misleading
11:53.23Ellipsisat first glance I'd assime "SlashAce3" had something to do with, I dunno, the /ace3 command
11:53.24Grumgo go jump of bridges! others do it as well! :D
11:53.38Elsiait has
11:53.47Elsiait's all that ace3.lua provides except that /ace3 command
11:53.53Ellipsisit has nothing to do with ace3 at all, as you pointed out so strongly
11:54.03Grumat second glance if expect it to be a diss to Ace3 because the user thinks its bloated .. so 'hereby i present the useful parts!'
11:54.16Ellipsisif SlashAce3 provides everything *but* /ace3, do you not see how that's misleading?
11:54.17Elsiait used to use ace3 until grum started bickering about the name
11:54.35Elsianot really, /ace3 got slashed, and i kept the rest
11:54.53Grumyou know they are planning to remove /ace3? :D
11:54.56Ellipsisthe history doesn't matter, as you said that's just on your local computer
11:54.59CIA-903zeksie * r64343 10ZOMGBuffs/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
11:54.59CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
11:54.59CIA-9- Fixed some issues when running modules directly, rather than LoD.
11:54.59CIA-9- Wait for class/group and Info display options now default to ON.
11:55.12Ellipsisthe fact is, an addon named SlashAce3 doesn't provide /ace3 or any ace-related stuff at all
11:55.21ZeksieAre you STILL going on about that?!
11:55.22GrumZeksie: lol ... bad commit when we are talking about sucky addon names :D
11:55.31ZeksieZOMGBuffs is a great name!
11:55.44ElsiaI committed to branches on purpose. I agree that this should never be on trunk with this name
11:55.45Grumas is: ILTFZITA!
11:55.59Ellipsiswhy is it ok in branches and not in trunk?
11:56.08GrumEllipsis: never say i didnt warn you!
11:56.16Grum[12:44:24] <Grum> Ellipsis: haha dont bother, i got shunned, pinned and shamed already ;D
11:56.32dylanmWait but it uses the libs... heh.
11:56.39Grumhehe indeed
11:56.59Grumbut Zeksie, what does your addon do?
11:57.21Nandinithe fact is, an addon named PitBull doesn't provide any dogs or dog-related stuff at all.
11:57.29Elsiaellipsis: maybe because trunk are release/beta addons and the branches allow us to experiment?
11:57.40Zeksieauto buffer, raid buff overview. paladin buff auto assignments (talent/player aware, and considers raid member sub-classes)
11:57.42GrumNandini: oooh i talked to them about that already :)
11:57.54GrumElsia: you experiment in trunk, not in branches
11:57.57Grumdoh!
11:57.58Nandiniat least Chinchila provides two cuddly critters :)
11:57.58EllipsisNandini: and I doubt any users expect it to
11:57.59Snago"I downloaded BigWigs, but I'm still bald :("
11:58.07dylanmYou're thinking of other svns ;p
11:58.21Grumdylanm: no, especially on the wowace svn you *HAVE* to have an unstable trunk
11:58.22ElsiaSlashAce3 is in the great naming traditions of SnaFu, FuBar, Chincilla, Pitbull, Rock, BigWigs
11:58.28Zeksiesome emphasis on easy rebuffing in combat. you can just popup the raid list and right click on whoever needs it, they'll be highlighted. you'll also see the buff time remaining bars on that list for your buff
11:58.29Grumthat is just a sheer must for proper wowace devving!
11:58.34dylanmGrum: Keeps the forums active.
11:58.53EllipsisElsia: not really. it's not nonsense, it's actually misleading.
11:58.54Grumanyhow, i have to hold up my [PURE SARCASM]-sign else people wont get it =D
11:59.12Elsiaellipsis: what you call misleading, I call humor
11:59.37Elsiareally people need to lighten up, it's just a name for a dev addon
11:59.42GrumEllipsis: shall we take revenge and add Elsia's mother to IRL.lua? you have my permission =D
11:59.47dylanmHm.
11:59.49Nandinii'm sure if people take the unusual initiative of actually downloading something from branches (with an informative commit message like that) they can take the initiative to uninstall it if it doesn't do what they expect
12:00.02GrumElsia: as said before, DevTools is prolly what you really wanted :D
12:00.19Elsiagrum: I wanted /rl and /print ;)
12:00.32dylanmNow in the original Ace3.lua why does the author LibStub-load AceConsole again...
12:00.39Grumwhy not install LibRockConsole-1.0? :P
12:00.50ElsiaDevTools is bloated too, I don't need dtchatevent
12:00.51Fisker-http://www.getdropbox.com/ <-lol
12:00.52Grumand AceConsole provides /rl and /print right?
12:00.53dylanmI mean it's embedded.
12:01.04dylanmAt the top.
12:01.08Fisker-Given that the developer obviously is a /b/tard he's obviously going to steal our infos
12:01.09Fisker-:o
12:01.15Elsiagrum: only if you disembed ace3
12:01.33Grumer?
12:01.36thulhmm
12:03.27dylanmOnly in http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace3/Ace3.lua in the standalone. AceConsole-3.0 doesn't define any slash commands on its own.
12:03.42Grumyeah spotted
12:03.43Nandiniit really annoys me when people say "hit save" or "click off" instead of "click" or "close"
12:04.11Grumerm
12:04.17Elsiathat's the reason why I made that little addon. I wanted to debug without a disembedded ace3 around
12:04.29dylanmI'm wondering why the author of this thing doesn't just use the embed he specified at the top.
12:04.30Grumso does either click or close is the same as 'hit save' ? :D
12:04.44Nandinity Elsia, that makes testing much easier for me on the PTR, since i only have one Ace3 addon on there and it's running embedded
12:04.56GrumNandini: use DevTools? :)
12:05.01Elsianandini: exactly why I made it.. embedded testing for recount
12:05.07Grumunlike Rock, Ace can not '/print' tables
12:05.19Grumor /dump :)
12:05.23Grumfor which its only useful tbh
12:07.08Elsiagrum: you can use whatever you like actually. I think ace3.lua is just fine. I didn't make that addon to replace or void any other addon really
12:07.31Grumwhy didnt you just use the method used in Ace3.lua?
12:07.56ElsiaI did initially, until I decided I wanted no dependencies.
12:07.59Nandiniit works fine for my needs, a nice shortcut for /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage() and /console reloadui
12:07.59dylanmBecause that would require Ace3, Grum.
12:08.25Grumit doesnt?
12:08.42Elsianot anymore no. first version did but then there was this odd reaction to its name
12:09.03Grumno fish sex unless its eels Fisker-
12:09.14GrumElsia: who reacted to it?=D
12:09.23Elsianot sure anymore :P
12:09.32Fisker-definitely some eels
12:09.33Grumwere they seriously?
12:09.45Grumprolly not right? =D
12:10.01Nandinipersonally, i like SlashAndBurnAce3 better, it's more violent
12:10.02ElsiaI think people will love SlashAce3, it has a use. Basically saves you typing what Nandini says.
12:10.22CIA-903ammo 072.4 * r64344 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua): WitchHunt: plumbing for spell filters and haxed in description for sink output
12:10.33Elsianah SlashAce3 is peaceful. See the original commit text.
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12:10.51ElsiaSlashAce3 embraces all friendly addons, and Ace3 is one friendly framework!
12:10.56Zeksiejust put a 5 page disclaimer when you log in saying that it's not the intent of the author to cause any problems with the mod name, and that they can contact your lawyer
12:11.03Nandinicould you perhaps add a lovely slashing and burning animation whenever i print something?
12:11.35Nandiniif not, maybe the "Verbal Combat" category would better fit this mod
12:12.21ElsiaSlashAndBurn* addons are already reserved for people who engage in the silly framework wars
12:14.19ZeksieGrum: there's a ZOMGBuffs thread on forum you can look at for general info: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11887
12:14.26Orionshock2 shot solarin in tk, then wipe constantly on HKM....
12:14.30Orionshock-.-
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12:29.39Fisker-HKM?
12:30.29CIA-903rabbit * r64346 10MobNotes/MobNotes.lua: MobNotes: Touchups/fixes to existing notes, no new ones.
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12:33.25dylanmHigh King Maulgar
12:35.08Fisker-oh
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12:36.13Elkanohmm... that could be fun... we plan on doing Kara with 10 Druids ^^
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12:38.33Elsiamaulgar is a very delicate pull actually, not too shameful to wipe there
12:39.04Elsiasolarian definitely easier than maulgar in my book
12:39.15Grumyeah
12:39.38GrumGruul's lair actually is really hard compared with Lurker/VR/Solarian
12:39.49Elkanowell HKM isn't that hard in theory, too... only some people in the raid tend to be stupid, eg trying to tank the WL next to the mage after fear...
12:41.11Elsiamaulgar is delicate positioning and coping with the felbeast types isn't totally trivial, solarian is: watch and run, then clump and AoE.
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12:44.02GrumVR: running healing .. bored!
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12:48.54AnadaleZeksie, are you here?
12:49.16Zeksieye
12:49.26AnadaleZOMGBuffs is your addon, right?
12:49.29Zeksieyea
12:49.42Zeksiewhatever it broke, i deny everything!
12:49.59Anadale:)
12:50.07Anadaleno, just several questions
12:50.12Zeksieshoot
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12:50.33Wogroipl_Grum: try healing VR as shaman just stand underneath him and spam chain heal.... that is boring
12:50.37Anadale1) ZOMGBuffs-64343\ZOMGModulePrototype.lua:72: attempt to index field 'db' (a nil value)
12:50.51Zeksie1) is fixed with the patch i did about 25 mins ago
12:51.00Zeksieoh.. no it's not
12:51.02Zeksiesec.
12:51.20GrumWogroipl_: kek, try it as a priest ..., running arounds .. spamming CoH!
12:51.57Zeksiemeh. stupid thing. you're loading it as modules yes, rather than LoD?
12:51.59CIA-903trasher * r64347 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.fr.lua:
12:51.59CIA-9AtlasLoot:
12:51.59CIA-9- frFR update
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12:52.03Zeksiedamned out of order loading..
12:52.14AnadaleI've just installed it through WAU
12:52.27Anadaleso I have no idea how am I loading it :)
12:52.28ZeksieDo you have the Unpack Addons ticked?
12:52.56Anadaleno
12:53.00Zeksietick it :)
12:53.04Anadalehaha
12:53.14Zeksieand redo. prolly wanna redo most of your addons, cartographer etc. all come as packages
12:53.27GrumZeksie: stop depending on that tbh
12:53.29Zeksieyou don't wanna be loading the whole lot if you only need 3 mods
12:53.38Zeksiei'm not. that's just general advice
12:53.42Anadalegrum +1
12:53.43Zeksiei'm fixing the mod so it works that
12:53.45Zeksieway
12:53.56Anadaleok, will try in sec
12:53.56Grumbut yes the general advise is good :)
12:53.59Grumbut dont depend on people doing it ;D
12:54.04Zeksieno. i know :)
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12:54.50Zeksieposting a fix for that one anyway.
12:54.59cncfanaticshello flks
12:55.03cncfanaticss/flks/folks/
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12:55.56CIA-903zeksie * r64348 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGModulePrototype.lua:
12:55.56CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
12:55.56CIA-9- Fixed ZOMGModulePrototype.lua:72 nil error.
12:56.07CIA-903jerry 072.2 * r64349 10Links/: Links: removed old branch
12:56.54CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64350 10Links/: Links: create 2.4 branch
12:57.08CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64351 10Links/Links/: Links: create 2.4 branch
12:57.52CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64352 10Links/Links/: Links: remove this, I meant to copy from trunk
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12:58.52CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64353 10Links/Links/: Links: copy from trunk
12:58.56Zeksieis just a bit annoying to package it like this. wasn't meant to be run as modules really.
12:59.04Zeksiewhole point was to be lod
12:59.25Zeksiebut then you can do without ppl downloading half a mod..
13:00.27Anadaleok, loading wow, next question - mousewheel - it works anywhere or only over pretty pink button?
13:00.59Zeksieanywhere
13:01.07Zeksiethat doesn't already have a mousewheel action
13:01.15Anadalegood.
13:01.18Zeksieif you can camera zoom, it'll work
13:01.46Anadaleand of course it works only ooc?
13:02.15Zeksieauto-buffing yes, but there's a raid popup from the floating icon and you can right click on anyone in the list to rebuff them, without having ot find them in your raid frames
13:02.22Zeksiethey'll be highlighted if missing your buff
13:02.56Zeksieand the icon will have the swirly thing around it if somoene needs buffing in combat
13:06.15Anadalestrange, tried both mousewheel and keybinded buffing - both do not work :(
13:06.26Zeksieyou in a city or something?
13:06.33Anadalewhat am I doing wrong?
13:06.35Zeksieprolly have the not when resting option enabled
13:06.42Anadalechecked
13:06.49Anadalei mean not set
13:06.57Zeksiewhat class?
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13:07.04Anadalemage
13:07.12CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64354 10Links/Links/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
13:07.12CIA-9Links: (2.4 branch, drycoded)
13:07.12CIA-9_ Switch to Ace3.
13:07.12CIA-9_ Remove dewdrop dependency (use EasyMenu API instead).
13:07.12CIA-9_ Some code reorder to reduce the runtime payload.
13:07.13CIA-9_ Add support for spell tooltips.
13:07.15CIA-9_ Use GetItemIcon() to find the item icon.
13:07.24Zeksiemouseover the minimap icon, should say something about self buff template, and Intellect etc?
13:07.35Zeksiewhich should have enabled with it
13:08.15Anadaleminimap button is that pretty pink square one?
13:08.17CIA-903elsia * r64355 10/branches/SlashAce3/SlashAce3.toc:
13:08.17CIA-9SlashAce3:
13:08.17CIA-9- Bumping TOC to 2.4.
13:08.22Anadaleor real minimap button?
13:08.29Zeksienah. that's the floating icon. i mean the real minimap one
13:08.41Zeksiethe floating one will also give you a status if you mouseover, like why it's not buffing atm
13:08.43Anadaleok, I got it on fubar, is it ok?
13:08.51Zeksiethat's the one
13:09.27AnadaleGroup template: Default (modified)
13:09.35AnadaleIntellect: enabled
13:09.36Zeksiedoes the floating one say anything besides ZOMGBuffs ?
13:10.03Anadalewhen i mouseover it the tooltip opens with me missing AI
13:10.10sag_ich_nichtkni
13:10.16Zeksieyeah, that's the raid popup list
13:10.17sag_ich_nichtargh
13:10.21sag_ich_nichtrong channel
13:10.27Zeksiethere's a proper tooltip too
13:10.52AnadaleI can buff AI by right-clicking on my name in that tooltip
13:11.07Zeksieyes. but i wanna know why you can't get it auto buffing
13:11.24Zeksiecos it works for me just fine... are you grouped maybe?
13:11.48Zeksiein which case it's prolly trying to tell you it's not buffing cos ppl are out of rangte
13:11.50Zeksierange
13:11.54Anadaleyes. left raid and everything is ok :)
13:12.16Zeksiethat's what it was. there's options for that too. Wait for Raid and Wait for Class/Group
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13:12.42Anadaleok, found it
13:12.48Zeksieif you'd have mouseover the floating icon, near where you could right click buff, it would have told you. Suspended, not buffing because bla
13:13.10Anadaleye, but i've disabled those checks :(
13:13.15Zeksieheh
13:13.28Zeksieyou will prolly want thos eon in a raid. else you end up group buffing a lot more htan needed
13:13.34AnadaleI mean Wait for raid is 0%
13:13.34Zeksiego go spelling
13:13.46AnadaleWait for group/class off
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13:14.29Zeksiethe raid popup is handy for rebuffing tho, and you can see the time left on everyone's buffs all at once
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13:17.43AnadaleI've swithced off mousewheel buffing and set a keybind. It still bufss me when i turn mouse wheel and do not react on keybinding
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13:18.15Zeksiemmm. odd
13:18.19Zeksietesting that
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13:23.14Funkeh`mikma, awesome
13:23.28Zeksieyep... SetBinding != SetBindingClick
13:23.31mikmaFunkeh`: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/omnomnomnom15.jpg
13:23.57Funkeh`lol
13:24.19CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64356 10Links/Links/Links.lua: Links: (2.4 branch) Let's see if I understand AceConfigCmd-3.0 correctly.
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13:34.43CIA-903zeksie * r64357 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs.lua:
13:34.43CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
13:34.43CIA-9- Fixed Keybindings not working when you previously had mousewheel buffing set.
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13:37.47Lukianso I really suck at seeing when I get enfeebled on Prince, what addon should I use? :D
13:38.05EllipsisI recommend Brain-1.0
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13:38.17evlLukian: I recommend LookAtHealthBar-1.0
13:38.34vhaarrLukian: AuraToChat could help
13:38.37kenlyricinstall Ears and Eyes too
13:38.37evlHow can you not notice going to 1%? :P
13:39.01Anadalezekis
13:39.22AnadaleMe and other mage I trying to understand how an autoassignment works
13:39.29Anadalewe both wait for group 1
13:39.42AnadaleI'm in group one, she is in group 2
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13:41.33Zeksieauto assign, assuming you're both running the mod will simply tell u to buff group 1, and her to buff group 2 in theory. (that's the newest piece of code, so I may well have missed some condition)
13:41.54Zeksieit just automatically sets the group selection options. nothing more
13:42.02Anadalehm, we've both waited on group 1, is it ok?
13:42.21Zeksieis there someone in group 1 who is not stood near you?
13:42.21LukianPersonally I'd prefer the Omen screen flash when I get the aura
13:42.36Anadaleno
13:42.41Anadalewe only 2 in raid
13:42.46CIA-9037destiny * r64358 10Enhancer/locale/Localization-koKR.lua:
13:42.46CIA-9Enhancer:
13:42.46CIA-9- koKR Update
13:43.01Zeksieerm.. let me find someone and look at that. that stuff's been working for months ><
13:43.51SnagoLukian: BigWigs flash and shake
13:45.43ZeksieAnadale, in different gorups or same group?
13:45.58Anadaledifferent.
13:46.50Zeksiemmm. looks like a scheduler is not kicking in. if you click the minimap icon off then on, it should give it a nudge
13:46.50Anadaleand another strange behavior with a friendly pally - he has all addons enabled in Addons tab, but nothing is loaded. do you have any clue why?
13:47.12selckinsomething probably error
13:47.23Zeksieprolly some error and he has errors turned off?
13:49.31CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64359 10Links/Links/Links.lua: Links: (2.4 branch) bugfixes
13:50.38LukianSnago, oh awesome :D
13:50.52Anadalechecking now
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13:51.01durcyn[Ammo]: ping
13:51.19LukianSnago, hmm where?
13:51.30[Ammo]durcyn: pong
13:51.36LukianSnago, oh found it
13:51.40LukianSnago, cheers :D
13:52.35durcyn[Ammo]: when shift-clicking quests into the chat window with SmoothQuest, the text has color, and causes disconnects when it's sent.  thoughts?
13:53.00[Ammo]durcyn: dunno
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13:53.12[Ammo]durcyn: but I will fix
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14:09.14Zeksiemmm. there a bug in RosterLib with subgroup numbers? got 2 in raid, in different groups and it's saying they're both group 1.. ><
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14:09.25Lothaerhey guys
14:09.35Zeksiehi
14:09.47LothaerHEY Zeksie
14:09.50selckinZeksie: i've seen things like that in my grid
14:10.17Zeksieit won't even refresh when i move ppl around.
14:10.37Lothaeri prefer X-Perl Raid Frames :)
14:10.50sag_ich_nichtpleas let me have logged buffed
14:10.52sag_ich_nicht+e
14:11.01sag_ich_nicht!c EU Gul'dan Ruknor
14:11.02erzyany ret paladin around?
14:11.03Zeksie:)
14:11.06CIA-903ammo 072.4 * r64360 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua libs/ libs.xml locales/enUS.lua):
14:11.06CIA-9WitchHunt:
14:11.06CIA-9- Add profiles support, should be useful for copying filter settings
14:11.06CIA-9- Add spell filtering support, automatically learns spells it displays and adds them to the spell filter options.
14:11.09sag_ich_nichterzy hi
14:11.20Lothaerany1 know a good ingame calculator mod?
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14:11.31erzysag_ich_nicht: what enchant for weapon PvP?
14:11.44sag_ich_nichterzy: depends on your gear
14:11.51SnagoLothaer: /dump
14:12.06erzy860 a-pene
14:12.16sag_ich_nichtwhat
14:12.17WoWLuaircBotsag_ich_nicht: Ruknor is not the character you are looking for!
14:12.20sag_ich_nichth right
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14:12.23sag_ich_nicht*oh right
14:12.35sag_ich_nichthow much resilience?
14:12.41erzytoo little
14:12.47sag_ich_nichtand again
14:12.51sag_ich_nichtwhat weapon you using
14:12.56erzyCataclysm's edge
14:13.03sag_ich_nichtBE?
14:13.06erzyye
14:13.32sag_ich_nichtwell
14:13.41CIA-903ammo 072.4 * r64361 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: small tweak
14:13.48sag_ich_nichti'd use either executioneer or adamantite weapon chain in that case
14:14.05sag_ich_nichtor, if you don't like procs, +70 AP
14:14.23sag_ich_nichtmakes it less random but less dmg overall, personally i'd go with the weapon chain for arena
14:14.30Camciis there a action bar, Something that automatically changed visible bars if you were in combat or out of it
14:14.36Camci?
14:14.38evlweapon chain on warr?
14:14.38sag_ich_nichtif you spec 0/20/41
14:14.45evlor are we talking rogue?
14:14.51sag_ich_nichtret paladin
14:14.52erzyret pala ofc
14:15.01evlwell I would never get chain tbh
14:15.08evlyou could meet 20 caster teams in a row
14:15.12evlbad ROI if you do
14:15.20CamciAnyone know?
14:15.25sag_ich_nichtmeh, if you really wanna be a dick you get the same weapon twice
14:15.31sag_ich_nichtyou can still swap weapons in arena afterall
14:15.33erzyOr just get Torch
14:15.44evlMaybe sava cause exec kinda requires you to stay on someone like a warr with hamstring/intercept
14:15.58sag_ich_nichtyupp, as i said
14:16.10sag_ich_nicht!c EU Gul'dan Ruknor
14:16.12sag_ich_nichtgod damn it
14:16.27erzy!c Ruknor Gul'dan -c -eu
14:16.48erzy!c EU Dentarg Erzy
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14:17.15WoWLuaircBotsag_ich_nicht: Ruknor, Level 70 Human Paladin (5/8/48). 8877 HP; 5103 Mana; 91 mana regen; 2 mp5; 9991 Armour; 1764 AP; 287.200 Melee DPS; 31.81% melee crit; 102 melee hit; 82 +spell dmg/heal; 8.77% dodge; 5.00% block; 26 resilience;[[ TBR: 1746 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmjmj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2uynsq ][ Updated: Wed Mar 12 10:27:12 2008 EST ]]
14:17.19WoWLuaircBoterzy: Erzy, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (41/20/0). 10197 HP; 11553 Mana; 232 mana regen; 117 mp5; 18020 Armour; 78.800 Melee DPS; 4.53% melee crit; 215 spell crit; 935 +spell dmg; 2378 +heal; 4.53% dodge; 5.00% block; 39 resilience; +33 all resists (+5 all);[[ TBR: 1198 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/246jvp ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3dl567 ][ Updated: Wed Mar 12 10:27:16 2008 EST ]]
14:17.47CIA-903snago * r64362 10IHML/IHML.lua:
14:17.47CIA-9IHML:
14:17.47CIA-9- Better handling of default macros.
14:17.50Lothaersoo any1 know of a calculator mod that works?
14:17.58erzyarena?
14:18.03Lothaerno
14:18.05Lothaernumbers
14:18.07Lothaermathematical
14:18.11erzyhmm
14:18.18erzynopp
14:18.20Lothaerthere was one buts its very very old
14:18.25Lothaerlike 2005 old
14:18.33erzyjust use windows calculator ^^
14:18.59Lothaertrue but that takes time lol
14:19.03Lothaerid rahter bring one up ingame
14:19.12erzythe otherone takes memory useage!
14:19.24erzyusage*
14:19.28Lothaeryeah like 1kb pft
14:19.31Lothaerif that
14:20.03sag_ich_nichtuhm
14:20.05sag_ich_nichtgnomecruncher
14:20.07sag_ich_nichtworks pretty good
14:20.20SnagoI bet a calculator addon would take less memory than the Windows Calculator :P
14:20.30durcynwhy would you possibly need a calculator addon
14:20.36durcyn<PROTECTED>
14:21.29sag_ich_nichtdurcyn: so i don't have my ChatFrame1 spammed
14:21.33Polarina~cookie durcyn
14:22.16durcynsag_ich_nicht: /script ChatFrame2:AddMessage("<insert math here>");
14:22.30CIA-903elsia 072.4 * r64363 10Recount/ (13 files):
14:22.30CIA-9Recount:
14:22.30CIA-9- All configurable SV settings are now profile based (i.e. moved the remaining
14:22.30CIA-9.char. to .profile.). This will affect some previous settings. To get rid of old
14:22.30CIA-9and now unused character based settings, best delete WTF/*/Recount.lua.
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14:23.34Lothaersag_ich_nicht thanks
14:26.12dodgaHm, that Recount2 screenshot looks damn sexeh
14:26.13ramozThere's also a addon called Math which formats it nicely
14:26.15ramozand he left
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14:27.15Elsiadodga: got linky?
14:28.41dodgahttp://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9158/recount2detailprelimzq5.jpg
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14:28.52Elsiathanks
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14:29.57dodgathat's from the svn changelog btw :D
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14:31.22Elsiai see
14:32.00sag_ich_nicht[15:22] <durcyn> sag_ich_nicht: /script ChatFrame2:AddMessage("<insert math here>"); <--i don't any of my chatframes spammed, and i don't want to type that every time i need a calc, that's a waste of time
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14:32.23sag_ich_nichtstop being a moron, just because it's "cool" to use /dump or /script to do your math, it doesn't mean it's efficient.
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14:32.25sag_ich_nichtscrub.
14:33.03sag_ich_nichti hate people that go "i'm so hrdkr i write mah software in ASM when all i need is a shellscript hur hur i r 1337 suck my dick"
14:33.13Megalondodga: i like it how in the table at the bottom, there is min: 192, max: 192, avg: 198 :P
14:33.30Elsiakinda pre-alpha code ;)
14:35.38Elsiathe averages are correct from the total so I guess the ma is stored wrong for hit types
14:35.50Elsias/ma/max
14:36.31CIA-903zeksie * r64364 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_BuffTehRaid/ZOMGBuffs_BuffTehRaid.lua:
14:36.31CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
14:36.31CIA-9- Temporary workaround for a bug in RosterLib that gets the subgroups wrong on occasion.
14:36.31CIA-9- Fixed idling when a group is out of range, and they come into range later. It will now periodically recheck them.
14:36.57kenlyricZeksie: does zomgbuffs work on self?
14:37.04Zeksieyeah. has a self buffs module
14:37.07kenlyrici mean, solo
14:37.10kenlyrichmmm
14:37.12Zeksieyeh
14:37.23Zeksiedoes sexy stuff like auto buff crusader aura when you mount :)
14:37.29kenlyricdoes it do pally seals? :)
14:37.33Zeksieit does
14:37.38kenlyricmy hero
14:37.53kenlyricSSR doesn't do them
14:37.54Elsiao.O so basically I should dump my old crummy smartbuff/debuff :P
14:37.56[Ammo]hmm you can nolonger add icons to 2.4 raid warning?
14:38.19[Ammo]at least messages get eaten with |T |t in them
14:38.27Zeksiethe blessings manager is pretty sweet too. will generate assignments once you tell it who is a tank druid, healer druid etc.
14:38.43Zeksieno more pissing around with clicking buffs and manually looking who can do what
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14:39.28sag_ich_nichtZeksie: o rly
14:39.32Zeksieyarly
14:39.50sag_ich_nichtplz2show flowchart of priorities for that
14:39.55sbZeksie: mh - is broadcast to PP clients enabled by default?
14:39.58Megalonpallypowerrly!
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14:40.11Zeksieit'll send assignments to pallypower users yea
14:40.11sbso i can set blessings for my pallys :o (raidleader, priest)
14:40.16Zeksieyes
14:40.22sag_ich_nichtoh god yes
14:40.23Zeksiei do it as a rogue
14:40.31sbbecause it doesnt work here :( pally doesnt get any data
14:40.39sbin his PP
14:40.43sag_ich_nichtZeksie show me the flowchart
14:40.47chipergrr.  "The range of Cyclone has been reduced to 20 yards. (was 30 yards before)"
14:40.54Zeksieit has to detect PP at least once to load that module
14:41.01chiperOnce again, PvP fucks it up for the rest of us
14:41.03Zeksiemaybe it just hadn't done it yet?
14:41.11sbwell, blessings manager tells "pallypower"
14:41.15sbi dont know if that module is loaded :)
14:41.27sbfubar -> rightclick doesnt show PP mod
14:41.30durcynchiper: yeah, well, when druids account for 250% of arena...
14:41.43sag_ich_nichtQQ more
14:41.44Zeksieit hasn't got it's own menu entry, there's no options for it
14:41.45chiperthen you make it an arena only rule
14:41.59Elsiazek: does it have an auto-buff mode, i.e. if you flip the mouse wheel or something?
14:42.01sbZeksie: no idea if that module is active then :)(
14:42.01chiperlike they did for polymorph
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14:42.19kenlyricbah! where's the fubar button?
14:42.23kenlyricmore fubar buttons!
14:42.24Zeksie<PROTECTED>
14:42.47sbyup, prints "ZOMGBlessingsPP"
14:43.02kenlyriccannot find a library instance of rollcall-1.0
14:43.03Zeksiehmmmz. and you clicked the generate button or something?
14:43.08kenlyricI don't think your xembeds are right.
14:43.12sbyes, generate and broadcast
14:43.23Zeksiedon't need broadcast, that's just for ppl who crash/dc
14:43.37Zeksiewas that to me Ken?
14:43.57sag_ich_nicht???????
14:43.59sag_ich_nicht???
14:44.02sag_ich_nicht?????????
14:44.03sag_ich_nicht63698
14:44.04kenlyricyes zeksie
14:44.06kenlyriclet me check
14:44.48Zeksiei'll have to take a look at the PP comms and see what's up with it. soon as my wife is off of her account and i can run up her pally
14:45.08Zeksieget them to change a buff once. or something. to cause some traffic
14:45.09kenlyricyeah, rollcall-1.0 isn't getting added as a dependancy
14:45.17Zeksiek
14:46.19sbZeksie: hmmm pally set something in his PP
14:46.32sband now its gone :p used generate here
14:47.13Zeksieclick configure. do you have a nearly full set of icons in there?
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14:47.22sbyup
14:47.35Zeksiehmmmz. yeah.. i'll have ot look into that :(
14:47.39Zeksieworked last week
14:47.42kenlyricit's not even listed as an optionaldep
14:47.54Zeksieit's listed in embeds.
14:47.58Zeksieand in externals.
14:48.08sbZeksie: does it work with single buffs?
14:48.16Zeksieyes
14:48.26sbhmhm :)
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14:49.13kenlyricZeksie: which does nothing if you run disembedded
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14:49.25CIA-903ckknight * r64365 10LibDogTag-3.0/ (Modules/Misc.lua test.lua): LibDogTag-3.0 - add Contains tag.
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14:49.41cncfanatics~jeu
14:49.44Zeksieyeah. but AceLibrary() will load it if it exists as an addon
14:49.46cncfanatics~jau
14:49.50sbZeksie: self-buff doesnt work with raidbuff button? :)
14:49.53EllipsisZeksie: not if it's not loaded first
14:49.58Ellipsiswhich is why you need to OptDep it
14:50.06Zeksieok. my bad on that bit
14:50.07cncfanaticshmmm, anyone, where to get JAU ? (java updater thingy)
14:50.22Stanzillacncfanatics: google.com
14:50.24Zeksiesb ? specifically?
14:50.36sbZeksie: inner fire rebuff
14:51.00Zeksieare u in a city?
14:51.12kenlyricZeksie: are you calling the wrong one?
14:51.20Zeksiewrong one what?
14:51.20kenlyricthere's LibRollCall-2.0
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14:51.49sbZeksie: yup - but i disabled the "disabled while resting" thing ;)
14:51.52Zeksiedidn't use that cos it's Rock, and everything else in ZOMG is Ace/LibStub so far
14:51.58kenlyricah, ok
14:52.32kenlyricis that why we have Libsharedmedia 2 and 3?
14:52.42Zeksiesb: mouseover the floating icon (not minimap one), it'll tell u why it's not doing anything
14:52.51Snago~jwu
14:52.52purlJWowUpdater is a java based tool for updating your World of Warcraft addons. http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5917
14:52.52Stanzillanah, kenlyric
14:52.57sbwaiting for... :)
14:52.57Snagocncfanatics: that one?
14:53.37Zeksieahhh.... right. in a raid, waiting for ppl, but self buffs to do.. yes. fair point
14:55.37Elsiazek: could it remember the aura it had before mounting and restore it when dismounting?
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14:56.05cncfanaticsSnago: ty
14:56.15sag_ich_nichtwhat the shit
14:56.26sag_ich_nichti hate you windows
14:56.32cncfanaticssag_ich_nicht: get linux
14:56.40Zeksieyes Elsia, it should do that already
14:56.47sag_ich_nichtall operation systems suck
14:56.53Zeksieassuming you've cast an aura for it to remember
14:57.05Elsiazek: alright lets test again
14:57.29krkaall operation systems suck, for some people
14:57.53Elsiahmm it doesn't seem to apply the aura when mounting, just make the crusader icon
14:58.04krkadamn it, you tricked me into not typing operating system
14:58.37durcynall software sucks.
14:58.42Zeksieyou have to DO something for it to do the aura... it has to be from user input
14:58.43sag_ich_nicht[15:51] <Zeksie> didn't use that cos it's Rock, and everything else in ZOMG is Ace/LibStub so far <--uh last time i checked LRC-2.0 is LibStub too, and so is all of Rock
14:58.45GrumZeksie: i'm curious about the reason you based it on Ace2 and not Ace3 :)
14:58.47Zeksieso mousewheel or whatever
14:58.48sag_ich_nichtur doin it rong
14:58.58Grumit is sag_ich_nicht
14:59.03Elsianot working for mousewheel even though it's checked
14:59.21Zeksiegot another mousewheel mod?
14:59.41Elsiahmm actually, let me disable smartbuff ;)
14:59.50sbZeksie: hmm strange
14:59.53ZeksieGrum: It's what was available when I started this, and I have no reason to change yet
15:00.05sbi set buffs to "wisdom" for priest, buy pally sees "salvation" instead :o
15:00.14sag_ich_nichtEllipsis Grum tell him the reasons i won't be bothered
15:00.20sag_ich_nichtD:
15:00.28Zeksiesb: yes. i have to dig into the comms for PP and see hwat's up. :|
15:00.31Grumwell, i'll just say memory use and elegance
15:00.32Zeksietell him to get this instead :)
15:00.35Grumand you'll port it one day ;D
15:00.40Grumwhy not now? :D
15:00.52Zeksiecos I have to get it working right for everyone first ;)
15:01.00Zeksiehas a few kinks apparently
15:01.04sbhe now has PP and ZOMG installed
15:01.11Grumnowai! it doesnt have to!
15:01.17Zeksiecan't guarentee milage if he runs both
15:01.18Grumalso, why not just call it BuffManager? :(
15:01.28Elsiazek: works fine now, thanks!
15:01.31Zeksie:)
15:01.51sag_ich_nichtit's because PP broadcasts what you have and uses that to asign it i guess
15:01.53Zeksieare we going to have another debate about addon naming?
15:01.59sag_ich_nichtor something like that
15:02.05sag_ich_nichtso the same number != same buff
15:02.09sag_ich_nichtbut that's just a guess
15:02.12kenlyricman, I wish wau would just show me a dependency tree. I do a search for a lib name, and all it shows me is the lib.
15:02.15sag_ich_nichtdidn't check the code if it actually does that
15:02.25Zeksiethe PP module translates the PP numbers into ZOMG types
15:02.31Zeksieit's not doing something right..
15:02.33kenlyricand I mean in windows
15:02.45CIA-903ammo 072.4 * r64366 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua): WitchHunt: adjust message formatting to be clearer
15:02.45GrumZeksie: just make sure you mention that in the 'Notes' field in the TOC =D
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15:04.39sbZeksie: and i get "you dont get Blessing of XXXX from anyone"  every time i use whisper stuff
15:04.57sbhe buffed me with BoW, but whisper still tells me "you dont get..."
15:05.35selckinAny way to give the bigwigs messages a Black background or so? so they are more visible
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15:06.54Zeksiewhat are you whispering?
15:07.27sb!zomg -wisdom +kings
15:07.32sbor !zomg -bow +bok
15:07.44Zeksiemmm. will look at it when i get back
15:07.45Zeksiei'll be back later. got to go to daughter's school in a min
15:07.49sbokay :)
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15:09.16sag_ich_nichtalso blizz should remove the name of the arena you're allowed to join if the queue runs up
15:09.18kenlyrichmmm, libstub is now my oldest addon :)
15:09.22CIA-903ammo 072.4 * r64367 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: make the test messages reflect the actual messages better
15:09.29kenlyricalthough rollcall has only had toc updates for the past year
15:09.41sag_ich_nichtscrubs are avoiding CoB arena and fucking people with draws
15:09.51sbZeksie: and it doesnt broadcast exceptions :)
15:10.01cncfanaticsFin: lol at your commits on prat
15:11.23Zeksieto PP user u mean?
15:11.40sbno ZOMG user
15:11.40Zeksieanyway. back in a bit
15:11.42sbyup
15:12.12[Ammo]if any if you are on the ptr, try out the 2.4 branch of witchhunt
15:12.15[Ammo]I gave it some hot love
15:12.26[Ammo]check out the 2.4 interface options panel for the exact amount of love :)
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15:14.54Grumhehe
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15:16.19dibriIs there an easy way to display a few nodes on the worldmap?
15:16.51dibriI cant seem to figure out under which section it falls? Frames?
15:17.11Nandininodes as in resource (mining/herb/fishing/treasure) nodes, or notes?
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15:17.55Nandiniyou might like HandyNotes for adding your own simple notes to the world map
15:18.13dibriNandini: well, I basically want to add a figure on the worldmap
15:18.18dibriso I gues its more of a note
15:18.31Nandinioh wait i'm not sure if handynotes is available yet
15:19.09Nandiniif you are using Cartographer for your world map, you can alt-right click on the map to add a note
15:19.22Xinhuanits available, but it eats up a lot of CPU because it uses Astrolabe
15:19.29Xinhuanso i don't really want to release it
15:19.44dibrihmm, kI guess cartographr would be what I need then
15:19.51Xinhuanby a lot of CPU, i mean more than all 200 of my other addons combined
15:20.26NandiniXinhuan: that's intense!
15:21.08Xinhuanya
15:23.39Xinhuangrum's supposed to be writing a replacement
15:23.43Xinhuanbut he's sacking ;p
15:23.46Xinhuanslacking *
15:23.51erzysag_ich_nicht
15:24.02kenlyricthe logic on Scrub should be listed somewhere
15:24.18erzyis the badge-libram best pvp one?
15:24.24Ironhandis there a way to set Grid so that dead people out of range actually show up as out of range?
15:24.32Ozguli"ktm is more accurate because it only tracks single targets"
15:25.41GrumXinhuan: i am i am!
15:25.42Grumhehe
15:25.48GrumOzguli: KEK!K!!!!!
15:26.01Grumi will call it: LibAstroFAILED-1.0
15:26.29KillmoreOzguli: KTM, this addon still exist ? :P
15:26.34Ozguliapparently yes
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15:26.46Killmoreeven pug use omen now
15:26.52Xinhuanif u look at the illidan kill video of nihilum
15:26.53Grumbut on a serious note, it will be prolly be LibMapIcons-1.0 :)
15:26.57Xinhuantheir whole guild uses KTM ;p
15:27.02Grumthey are losers :)
15:27.26Killmorethey kill him before the first "stable" usable version of omen.. no ?
15:27.27kenlyricwas Threat even out then?
15:27.35KillmoreI dont think so..
15:27.42Xinhuannot sure
15:27.50sag_ich_nicht~asktoask
15:27.51purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
15:28.03sag_ich_nicht( i need to cnp ist)
15:28.06sag_ich_nicht*it
15:28.30sag_ich_nicht[16:24] <erzy> is the badge-libram best pvp one? <--theoretically, no. the arena one would be best, but... meh, i'd still use the badge one.
15:28.43Grumi love nihilum.. check what their super paladin class leader is whining about: "The 3 gates will open automatically over time at equal intervals on all servers."
15:28.54Grumdont they get it? this will only mean we will be able to get the patch sooner
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15:29.08Grumbecause blizzard has time to finalize the rest of the shit because its locked behind doors
15:29.20NandiniCouldn't HandyNotes just borrow the pin drawing code used by GatherMate? It seems incredibly efficient.
15:29.20sag_ich_nichtlmao
15:29.30Elsiait actually also means a fair race
15:29.30Xinhuannot exactly
15:29.33Grumit also means they wont complete the new content in 10 hours after the release and start whining and annoying the complete server out of sheer boredom
15:29.40Xinhuanthe pin drawing code in astrolabe requires zone translation
15:29.45Xinhuangathermate doesn't use that
15:29.50GrumLibMapIcons does!
15:29.59EvilJohn-heh
15:30.20Grumanyhow, GatherMate does it efficient but they have 2 different ways of data-handing
15:30.21EvilJohn-yeah grum, if you open all your presents before everyone else, you don't get to whine about not having anything to unwrap after breakfast
15:30.42Grumalso, your parents might package a new present that you live even more because they saw how you reacted on the first couple
15:30.48Grums/live/like
15:30.49kenlyriclooks like june-ish threat started work, but it didn't get to its current size until july.
15:31.12EvilJohn-I get what the top end guys are saying about the badge gear, and the pvp gear, I totally understand that
15:31.13sag_ich_nichtalso
15:31.17sag_ich_nichtsomeone please steal purl
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15:31.22EvilJohn-but server level contributions are just out of line for whining
15:31.23sag_ich_nichtand make purl into an addon that i can use in guildchat
15:31.27Elsia~steal purl
15:31.28purlACTION grabs purl and gives it to elsia
15:31.31Xinhuanwhen was cpu profilng added?
15:31.36Xinhuanwas it 2.1?
15:31.39kergothsomeone did make a bot for wow chat.. i cant remember the name of it though
15:31.49sag_ich_nichtXinhuan: uh, 2.2 i think... maybe. maybe 2.1
15:31.51sag_ich_nichti dunno
15:31.58sag_ich_nichtkergoth: i don't want any bot
15:32.01sag_ich_nichti want purl
15:32.05GrumEvilGrin: also the whning would get worse when the server with 20 illidan killing guilds opens all of the gates directly
15:32.09sag_ich_nicht~want purl
15:32.17kergothah, hehe
15:32.25sag_ich_nicht~want
15:32.27EvilJohn-indeed.
15:32.27Grumand the server where the 'cool top guild' is on is slacking behind because .. well ... they just dont have the manpower on the server to open the gate faster
15:32.30kenlyricwell, servers that can mobilize very large populations love it.
15:32.37Grumyes ofc
15:32.39Xinhuanlike mine? ;d
15:32.39Xinhuanthere's 16 illidan kiling guilds on my server
15:32.40sag_ich_nichtoh common, nobody made something funny for ~want yet?
15:32.40sag_ich_nichtfail
15:32.42kenlyricwhich I think nihilum has
15:32.44Xinhuan1 just killed council, and 6 more in BT
15:32.44EvilJohn-16? nice
15:32.45Grumindeed Xinhuan
15:32.56Grumwell not that nice EvilJohn
15:32.56Xinhuanso that's 23 bt guilds or so
15:33.03Grumit also means that the BT instance servers crash daily :)
15:33.04EvilJohn-Elune is pretty full, but not that many here
15:33.06EvilJohn-heh
15:33.11EvilJohn-well, crashes not withstanding
15:33.17Xinhuanits blackrock hehe, been crashing daily for 3 years
15:33.20sag_ich_nichti like small servers
15:33.35Xinhuanbig servers are nice because recruitment issues are minor
15:33.43sag_ich_nichtespecially if they are still in the hardcore biggest BG
15:33.43Grumits sortof like how the wareffort event got changed in the end that the doors would just open after a certain amount of time
15:33.43Xinhuanppl xfer in all the time
15:33.48EvilJohn-elune is big, but only 3 guilds have illidan down, soon to be 4
15:33.53Grumbecause the RP/smaller servers just didnt bother with putting in all the millions of items :)
15:33.55Xinhuanand ppl xfer out all the time too
15:34.05sag_ich_nichtyou get internet popular if you get into hyjal lawl
15:34.12Grumwith the Xfer times decreased to 1 month it will be faster as well
15:34.20Grumerr was it 1 month?
15:34.20Grummmm
15:34.24Grum3->1 right?
15:34.27EvilJohn-aye
15:34.29sag_ich_nichtyupp
15:34.29sacarascno-one on my server has downed Illidan yet... think there is only 1 BT guild so far
15:34.37kenlyricGrum: well, I think it was always assumed eventually they would do that, because some servers didn't even have guilds capable of BWL
15:34.50kenlyricwait, they don't open the gates. do they?
15:35.18kenlyricthey should just get rid of all that shit. so tired of seeing those blue question mark fuckers
15:35.27EvilJohn-heh
15:35.33EvilJohn-it's a lame mechanic
15:36.08Grumthey open the gates ken
15:36.19Grumand for sunwell, you still need the dailies to unlock *more* dailies
15:36.24Grumbut not to unlock more 'endgame content'
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15:36.37EvilJohn-I don't understand the point then.
15:36.45EvilJohn-i lack blizzard's vision
15:36.58kenlyricgrid mana bars needs to show rage and mana differently
15:37.11kenlyricalso, wtb text display of mana/rage/energy
15:37.35kenlyricit's also to open up additional vendors, grum
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15:39.35Nandinion small realms without BT/MH raiding guilds, the collaborative efforts of their low population over time will allow them access to gems/elixirs/patterns that otherwise would never be available on their realms
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15:40.19Nandinithose items will be useful in preparing existing level 70 players for 71-80 content when WotLK comes out
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15:41.55Nandiniwhether they "deserve" it or not doesn't particularly matter to blizzard's bottom line, they need to retain players who are bored of just running kara tuesday night and doing dailies the rest of the week
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15:42.29cncfanaticsNandini: nice reasoning
15:42.37Nandinii'd guess that makes up the vast majority of their paying customers, anyway
15:45.10vhaarrNandini: yes, but I think that if they continue to starve out the hardcore raiding guilds, the majority playerbase will diminish as well
15:45.13kenlyricman, what is up with mods not defining required libs correctly
15:45.55Nandinitbh, i don't give a flying fuck what nihilum or ej or aurora thinks, and i bet 80-90% of wow players won't even hear about it
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15:47.00Xinhuanactually the fact that they are well known means that a good portion of the wow player base WILL hear of it
15:47.32genetikthere are probably a good number of people who don't even know that there is a 2.4 patch coming out
15:48.18Xinhuanthat's a real small minority
15:48.21Nandinii have characters on mal'ganis where EJ and aurora (and several other good guilds) play, and did a survey in org while i was bored the other day
15:48.37Nandinii asked 20 random players if they thought elitist jerks was a good guild
15:48.42Nandini18 hadn't heard of them
15:49.04Nandinigranted, not a big enough sample to be statistically reliable
15:49.09genetikhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
15:49.11Xinhuani assume half the the replies are replies that are fake
15:49.12kenlyricpeople take an EQ casual approach to understanding WoW casuals, and it just doesn't track.
15:49.41kenlyricthere are always new superstars :)
15:49.55Elsiathe whole definition of casual is flawed.. so someone who just now kills illidan is casual? that's 9 months after illidan world first
15:50.48Nandiniwhat percentage of players do you think will ever set foot inside the sunwell?
15:50.59Elsiaand I actually do thing that the vast majority don't know EJ or can name more than 2 top 10 raiding guilds
15:51.01kenlyricblizzard can never make the top guilds completely happy.
15:51.03kenlyricnever ever ever
15:51.22kenlyricon any difficulty curve there will always be some percentage who are at one extreme end.
15:51.36kenlyricfor TBC, that's about 2-3%, which seems reasonable
15:51.45doc^blaalways making new endgame content would be very expensive
15:52.02Nandinii enjoy raiding, yet i myself hold no illusions about ever being in BT/MH before WotLK comes out
15:52.07ZealotOnAStickI think, just perhaps, they can find the money somewhere.
15:52.44Nandiniwhy spend that much money on 2% of your customers, when they pay the same as someone who is happy with kara?
15:53.12Nandiniperhaps they should charge $34.95 a month for attunement to BT/MH/SW
15:53.28Nandinithen blizzard would have an incentive to add new content
15:53.32kenlyric10% of players will get use out of sunwell raid. This seems a reasonable investment for doing a new raid every six months.
15:53.37kenlyricthis one just took too long.
15:53.39Elsiathere is a lot of raid content in TBC
15:53.46Elsiait's just that most of it got front-loaded
15:54.05doc^blamore like <5% really go to swp
15:54.07kenlyricwell, 5%
15:54.13kenlyricsince half don't raid at all
15:54.13Nandinitrue, but we did get BT/MH/SW added over time, and an appropriate amount of time
15:54.21ElsiaBT/MH came out at least 3 months too early and ZA came out too late
15:54.32cncfanaticsis getting into BT/MH that hard ?
15:54.37kenlyricdoc^bla: I imagine any guild working on BT will probably spend some time in sunwell.
15:54.40cncfanaticsI decided to start raiding 1.5 weeks ago
15:54.48ElsiaI think they have learned though. I expect the raiding game to be much smoother in WoTLK
15:54.49cncfanaticsI'm now in a 5/6 ssc , 3/4 TK guild
15:54.53kenlyricKael is the biggest cockblocker to raiders after grull.
15:54.57Nandinii think blizz misjudged the popularity of the 10-man format, and ZA was them trying to catch up
15:55.11EvilJohn-yeah
15:55.28genetiki don't believe that the 10-man format is as popular as the numbers make it out to be
15:55.30cncfanaticsif blizz reduces raid size again I SHOOT them
15:55.30Elsianah I think they thought that in-game pacers like 1-3 vial drops off vashj would find acceptance
15:55.32kenlyricjust look at the percentage drops on wowjutsu, and where the biggest ones are.
15:55.33EvilJohn-I dunno why Kael, adn vashj is so hard, when the bosses in BT and MH are so easy
15:55.45Elsiabut it didn't so they had to remove all pacers from the game and the hardcore breezed through it
15:55.46genetiki just think that most people don't have the time/numbers to put into 25man content
15:55.48Nandiniif 40-man was the old standby, it makes sense that they would initially concentrate on 25 rather than 10 as their focus
15:56.02cncfanaticsElsia: because it wouldn't make sense lore wise if they were easy
15:56.09cncfanaticsand they aren't that easy either tbh
15:56.19doc^blaswp is hard, you need bt/hyjal items. like 4 t6 tanks
15:56.28Stanzillabt and mh bosses are piss easy
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15:56.48cncfanaticsthey're piss easy after your raid got good enough to pwn vashj & kael
15:57.03ElsiaI don't have issue with early BT bosses being easy.. more like they should be early bosses, like T4! that magtheridon boots 3/4 MH and 3/4 BT is kind of sad
15:57.11EvilJohn-if blizzard really wants to get people into raiding,t hey need to raid instances like scarlet monastery
15:57.18Elsiamagtheridon would have made a fine T6 boss
15:57.31Stanzillaa guild that can't kill kael is will probably clear mh and kill 4 bosses in bt aftet 2.4 is out
15:57.35cncfanaticsElsia: magtheridon gets pugged
15:57.49Nandinimag will get pugged a lot more after 2.4 nerfs
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15:57.57cncfanaticshe already gets pugged
15:57.58Elsiacnc: yeah by hardcore raider alts ;)
15:58.11cncfanaticsElsia: no, ORGRIMMAR trade channel pugs
15:58.16Killmoreno, hardcore raider alts will do bt/hyjal :P
15:58.23Elsiapeople would pug najentus -> shade if they had access
15:58.32cncfanaticsthey will next patch
15:58.39cncfanaticsthe removal of attunements makes me a bit sad tbh
15:58.51EvilJohn-yeah
15:59.04Elsiablizz needs to go back to soft attunement models ala vanilla tbh
15:59.12EvilJohn-when you raiders complain about the removal of attunements, it's not killing najentus that they site
15:59.21EvilJohn-it's killing illidan
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15:59.46EvilJohn-really
15:59.48Nandinii like the idea of attunements because it represents a sort of personal milestone for me, without them, i have no way of really "measuring" my own progression
15:59.48genetikthey should have never introduced them to begin with.  pacing should have been based off of content release like it was in vanilla, ala mc -> bwl -> aq40 -> naxx
15:59.50EvilJohn-blizzard created thsi mess
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16:00.07Nandinisince some t6 bosses are "easy" and some t4 bosses are "hard"
16:00.08Elsiastill maggy was hard for his place in the raid progression. and early BT/MH bosses are first ID kills even for mediocre raid groups
16:00.39EvilJohn-yeah
16:00.43EvilJohn-there is good content in TBC
16:00.48EvilJohn-it's just all out of order
16:02.00Elsiait's really bad lore setup that you sell a game with a big bad meanie that almost noone can actually kill. it's like selling diablo2 and making it such that only 2% of buyers can kill baal who is in the opening cinematics
16:02.05cncfanaticsgood thing about vanilla was
16:02.11cncfanaticsyou didn't go bwl before mc because it was too hard
16:02.18cncfanaticsinstead of "I have to kill ragnaros to get BWL attune"
16:02.22genetikright
16:02.29CIA-903ananhaid * r64369 10Skinner/Localisations.lua:
16:02.29CIA-9Skinner:
16:02.29CIA-9- zhCN update. One replace maybe not correct(marked ???)
16:02.31EvilJohn-yeah
16:02.33genetikthat's how they should have set it up
16:02.36EvilJohn-gatekeeper boss upfront
16:02.37cncfanaticsthats called an mmorpg Elsia
16:02.39Elsiacnc: yeah, it was soft attunement too
16:02.41genetikgear check based attunements
16:02.44EvilJohn-really a simple DPS check boss upfrotn is all your need
16:02.45cncfanaticsif you make everyone able to kill illidan whats the point of hardcore players ?
16:02.46Nandinione other thing that is problematic was them fitting all this content into 10 character levels, and trying to keep people interested for a long time at level 70
16:02.59Elsiacnc: nah it's called poor setup, you can make hard bosses that are almost unbeatable, but don't put them into the opening cinematics
16:03.02Nandiniit has led to a huge expansion in item levels that i think they will have a hard time dealing with once WotLK is out
16:03.13kebinusanyou didnt go to bwl before rag because the content wasnt there
16:03.16Elsiacnc: there is no point of hardcore players ;)
16:03.24kebinusanat least with TBC the raid content is there before most of players progress to it
16:03.38cncfanaticsNandini: why would that be a problem ?
16:03.40ElsiaMC->BWL was brilliant soft attunement
16:03.48Elsiayou need FR gear from MC to progress into BWL
16:03.49EvilJohn-I wouldn't use the term birilliant
16:03.54Elsiabut it's soft as you'll gear naturally
16:03.56EvilJohn-brilliant
16:04.00kebinusanno, farming cores was terrible
16:04.01EvilJohn-and all that FR gear was stupid
16:04.07kebinusanand you didnt need FR for most of the bwl fights
16:04.10kebinusaneven vael didnt require FR
16:04.12cncfanaticsNandini: they'll just make early wotlk items as good as BT gear again
16:04.19genetikkebinusan: it did if you were a tank :P
16:04.21kebinusanand razorgore got nerfed so hard
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16:04.37kebinusanhe used to have an exhaustion debuff like you get on mag when you took control of the orb
16:04.43kebinusanif it broke early someoen else had to take over
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16:04.59Elsiarazorgore was coordination/DPS check, very well tuned one actually, and vael was a gatekeeper that you wouldn't pass in pre-MC blues. Good design if you ask me
16:05.09EvilJohn-yeah
16:05.18EvilJohn-that's what they should be doing
16:05.22EvilJohn-I think sunwell does that
16:05.25Elsiamuch better than canceling raids because you miss 2 vial holders
16:05.28EvilJohn-but clearly, BT oes not
16:05.29kebinusanyou guys are thinking about how they are now
16:05.33kebinusannot how they were at release
16:05.54Nandinieverything was impossibly hard at release
16:05.58kebinusanand same for molten core before they changed how the trash respawns
16:06.00EvilJohn-that's fine
16:06.05Elsiasoft attunements are the way to go, these hard attumenents are nice to deliver lore but bad for organising raids
16:06.09cncfanaticseverything is ALWAYS impossibly hard at releases
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16:06.14EvilJohn-the only that proves is that blizzard doesn't learn from it's mistakes
16:06.15cncfanaticsto motivate hardcore guilds
16:06.22cncfanaticsI think its on purpose
16:06.55kebinusanhard attunements you figure blizzard would have learned from EQ
16:06.55EvilJohn-yeah
16:06.55EvilJohn-totally
16:06.55EvilJohn-same problems tehre
16:06.55Nandinii don't mind encounter nerfs, to be honest
16:06.55MuuuuuHi. Can someone help me with an Addon ? I want an addon that Hides all my Buttons Around my map .. :/ someone know anyting ?
16:06.55Nandinithe people who love the initial challenge get it
16:06.59kebinusanas it is now iwth 30 day transfers and character flagging, those guilds just starting in BT/MH really have to struggle to keep players and progress
16:07.04ElsiaMuuuu: tried minimap button bag?
16:07.13kebinusanideally the 3rd boss in a new zone would drop something to let you back flag people or something
16:07.17cncfanaticsI think they should reimplent the initial unnerfed bosses as "heroic" modes of the raids
16:07.19EvilJohn-yeah, people do stuff before DESIGNED content nerfs should get some reward for it
16:07.25EvilJohn-titles, or mounts or something
16:07.28CIA-903arith * r64370 10AtlasLoot/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
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16:07.28CIA-9- sync the constants changes to cn and es.
16:07.28CIA-9Enhance bossnames.tw.lua to use Babble and AL functions.
16:07.28CIA-9Update loottables to use Babble and AL functions. Remove unnecessary entries in tw file.
16:07.43Muuuuutnx
16:07.45Muuuuulooking
16:07.49kebinusansome of it is nerfs, some of it is just retuning imo, vashj was way too hard when she mc'd 3 people at a time
16:07.49Elsiathey should have heroics from the start and sensible tuning from the start
16:08.07Elsialet the hardcore bang their head against kael 1.0 vashj 1.0 and gruul 1.0
16:08.15Nandinii thought their reward was fame, because everyone knows them :P (oh wait, we discussed already that 80% of wow players can't name a top raiding guild)
16:08.21Elsiaespecially vashj 1.0 was brilliant tuning actually
16:08.22Elsiasee method
16:08.33Elsiaand the hardcore should get of their lazy behind and start a speed-run culture
16:08.36kebinusanvashj 1.0 was terrible
16:08.45kebinusanyou shouldnt need a soulstone army to beat an encounter
16:08.47Elsiathey need ZA time trials to baby-sit them through that idea
16:09.14Elsiakeb: but that's what made it hardcore
16:09.15Nandinithat's an interesting concept elsia!
16:09.20Elsiavashj 2.0 isn't a hardcore boss anymore
16:09.20cncfanaticsthats the only thing I don't like about my guild
16:09.27cncfanaticsthey WASTE a fucking huge amount of time every raid
16:09.27Nandiniwouldn't it be great if they had dynamic item levels on drops?
16:09.42kebinusanyeah bring back 1.0 c'thun then
16:09.50kebinusan:-P
16:09.56EvilJohn-see
16:09.57Elsiac'thun was unbeatable, vashj 1.0 wasn't.
16:09.58MuuuuuBring back the old good times with cookies and beer m8
16:09.59Nandiniso for example, you complete a run in 42 minutes, you get an ilvl 150 item, you complete it in 37 mins, you get an ilvl 155 item
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16:10.19kebinusanIm sure people soulstoned 40 peopel they could have done c'thun
16:10.23selckinoh the drama that would bring
16:10.28Nandinithat way players could get incremental upgrades for their continued improvements
16:10.32Elsiajust make cross-server Champion of Coilfang titles, that the fastest raid to clear gets.
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16:10.43EvilJohn-yeah, it hink tha twouls suffice
16:11.01Elsiapeople get bragging rights for being the world's fastest
16:11.02EvilJohn-before goind the crazy path of timed runs and item level scaling, try the smaller, simple things first
16:11.06Nandiniit would have to be a competitive title that is ongoing tho
16:11.12EvilJohn-also
16:11.18EvilJohn-allow raids to be watchable by other people
16:11.40Elsiasure, only the current fastest people hold the title, and they lose it when it's beaten
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16:11.40Nandiniso that if my guild on server x is fastest this week, we get the title, if your guild on server y is faster next week, you get the title
16:11.50EvilJohn-i'd rather watch DnT learn a boss fight than some stupid 30 second arena mach
16:11.52Elsiaexactly
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16:12.27CIA-9StellarUF:
16:12.27CIA-9- use SetFormattedText wherever possible
16:12.27CIA-9- removed 30 yard spell checks
16:12.27CIA-9- code cleanup
16:12.36NandiniEvilJohn-: they want content to be discovered by experience, not by observation
16:12.45Nandiniwhich is kind of pointless in the age of youtube
16:12.48EvilJohn-yes
16:12.52EvilJohn-that goal is fail
16:12.58EvilJohn-adapt, move on
16:13.32Nandinii would love to have an extra 5 observer slots in a raid
16:13.39Nandinithe leader could invite ppl to
16:13.46EvilJohn-honestly though, IT hink most of the TBC raiding problems right now could have been solved by shuffling the difficulty of bosses.
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16:13.48Elsiajust use the extra 15 raid slots as observers
16:13.54kebinusanNandini: that'd be kind of neat
16:14.18Megalonwaaghtv for wow!
16:14.19EvilJohn-I think there are a lot of raids out there who have the talent to take down kael and vashj
16:14.20Elsiaand allow easy swapping, for subs. now that warlocks can summon from everywhere that'd be easy
16:14.28EvilJohn-they just can't get the everyone else to stomach the wiping
16:14.53Cheadsit's fun to see how you elitists "discuss" how damn easy every boss is, when 95% of all players will never ever be able to clear BT =)
16:14.54EvilJohn-that's a great idea
16:14.55Nandinithey have built-in functionality for instance observation now in arena instances, they could extend it with some effort to raid instances as well i would guess
16:15.06EvilJohn-Cheads: You're missing the point
16:15.26Muuuuugief.
16:15.27kebinusanCheads: well most players have no desire to raid
16:15.31EvilJohn-the first bunch of bosses in BT and MH are vastly easier than the bosses that guard their entrance
16:15.34kebinusanthere are plenty of welfare epics for those people now
16:16.03kebinusanEvilJohn, I agree for rage, but najentus is much more difficult than say supremus
16:16.06ElsiaI actually truly think that blizz wants most of the people who seriously want to raid to have a very good shot at killing illidan pre WotLK. hence all that badge stuff. it's rapid gearing for BT.
16:16.09cncfanaticsCheads: thing is, when noone in your raid is a retard, every boss IS easy
16:16.12EvilJohn-people who raid for epics aren't going to raid any more
16:16.24EvilJohn-people hwo raid for content will sill be there
16:16.30kebinusanPersonally I think vashj is much more difficult than kael
16:16.41kebinusankael is a very procedural fight there isnt alot that can go wrong
16:16.51EvilJohn-I find healers would say that more
16:16.55EvilJohn-I found kael harder
16:17.06cncfanaticsthey're totaly different tbh
16:17.10EvilJohn-indeed
16:17.18Nandinimy guild is still stuck on alar and hydross due to ok-geared tank and healers but undergeared dps
16:17.47sacarascNandini: you're further than my guild will probably ever get, though ;p
16:17.51Elsiajudging a boss on it's farm difficulty isn't fair... even EJ said that they rewiped on a number of bosses in TBC... something that few people did in vanilla
16:18.06kebinusanthe retard check fights is what will stop most guilds from completing those instances
16:18.06Elsiai think it's somewhat jaded to call TBC raiding easy
16:18.10Cheadsmost guilds have some sort of raid group, and most of those are more casual that you lot... the serious raiders will leave those guilds (since the progress won't be fast enough) .. so that leaves most of the guilds stuck at the first bosses in ssc/tk... so ZA is barely completeably... vasj etc. even less.. since people won't have the experience to raid them often enough
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16:18.25EvilJohn-yes cheads
16:18.29EvilJohn-certainly
16:18.45Cheadsatleast most of the guilds are like that on 'my' server
16:19.17Cheadskilling 1, maybe two bosses in TK/ssc
16:19.19Nandinithat's why i think badge gear is a good thing in the end
16:19.43kebinusancheads, well you can blame attunements and server transfers for a good part of that
16:19.45Elsiathe idea to boost strangling guilds by rapid regearing is one of the best concepts blizz took on
16:19.50Elsiadespite all the whining it has caused
16:19.51kebinusanand a bit of enlightened self interest
16:20.02kebinusanthere is no incentive at all to stay with your current guild
16:20.12Elsiafriends?
16:20.22kebinusanget keyed and move on to a better a guild who only picks up keyed players
16:20.37Elsiareal guilds consist of friends and family, they don't server hop. Just hardcore and loners do
16:20.38doc^blawhole guilds are coming to my server just to raid
16:20.40Cheadsoverpowered gear only helps so much when you have 50 different players raiding once a week (not enough experience of raiding)
16:21.02Elsiawell it helps take the edge of gear checks
16:21.08xyucasuals dont' belong raiding
16:21.08Cheadsyeah
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16:21.11xyustfu in heroics kthx
16:21.15Nandinioverpowered gear helps those 50 ppl learn though, because they'll get it down after 10 wipes and not 30
16:21.46Cheadsheroics are not much fun after several runs in each... and it is a game after all... supposed to be fun
16:22.06xyuwell ssc and tk are fine for casuals.  save for maybe the last bosses of each
16:22.13xyuTK is a short instance
16:22.28Nandiniand it has predictable trash, i like that
16:22.34CheadsI dont agree
16:22.44doc^blassc starting with hydross isn't casual friendly
16:22.45Cheadstoo hard
16:22.52kebinusanyou can skip hydross
16:22.52Elsianot sure why xyu should decide what content cheads gets to see ;)
16:22.54kebinusanand alar
16:23.00kebinusannonlinear instance
16:23.05xyuI'm not deciding,  his play time is deciding
16:23.18Nandiniif it's too hard, farm more badges, you'll get there eventually :)
16:23.27Elsianah the game design is deciding. you could well design raiding that is more time-commitment flexible
16:23.42xyuand you will lose high end raiding guilds
16:23.43xyuits a balance
16:23.47Elsiasee ZG's design, with virtually random access to bosses etc
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16:24.04kebinusanhow could it be more time commitment flexible?  every boss stops the trash before it from spawning
16:24.08Elsianah you can make a game that's hard for hardcore and casual for casuals
16:24.10kebinusanand you ahve 7 days to do what you want
16:24.11Cheadsxyu sure the 5% top guilds should decide all the raid contents...
16:24.20Elsiayou can't design against that envy that some hardcores have if others also get to see content
16:24.26Elsiathat's just psychology
16:24.32xyuThey should.   They beat new encounters in a week.
16:24.34xyuand then what do they do?
16:24.51xyuThey're elite for a reason
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16:24.52Nandinithey don't renew their subscriptions. big deal
16:24.55Cheadsxyu do the same the majority do.. .the same over and over...
16:24.58dre^they sit on theri bear mounts by teh bank
16:24.59xyuIf everyone could do it, then what's the point?
16:25.00Elsialol
16:25.05Elsiaelite my backside
16:25.20Cheadsxyu the point is more get to play the content
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16:25.47xyuThen step up.  I dont' think SSC / TK is that much of a time sink to be honost.  
16:25.50Elsiait's kinda pathetic to need a computer game to feel special, I'm sorry if that's harsh
16:25.52xyuMy guild only raids 3 times a week for 3 hours
16:25.52kebinusanthey arent
16:25.56xyuand we're on illidan
16:25.59xyuhardly "hardcore"
16:26.04dre^it's obvious by this point that the hardcore players will tolerate an enforced collapsing of the progression curve
16:26.32Cheadsso do our guild.. and we have still only killed lurker, mag, gruul...
16:26.38cncfanaticsxyu: how long did it take you to get there though ?
16:26.43Cheadslike the majority of guilds... more or less
16:26.47xyufor lack of people?
16:26.51Nandinigrats on being elite xyu! i know i will keep paying my subscription because of your success!
16:27.02xyucncfanatics:  quite some time.  
16:27.06cncfanaticsNandini: don't QQ ? make useful comments please ?
16:27.34Elsiait's the issue though.. the main issue is all the ego-tripping, not so much the design
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16:27.36CIA-9DrDamage:
16:27.36CIA-9- Simplified AB detection code a bit
16:27.36CIA-9- Fixed some SoR calc (lower ranks and libram)
16:27.36CIA-9- Fixed melee module powercost/DPM for some mana abilities
16:27.41xyuI'm just saying.  There needs to be SOMETHING hard.  don't take away high end content so that everyone can see it.  
16:27.52Elsiablizz retunes content to give more people access and hardcores QQ over stuff that they won't even participate in
16:27.56Nandinii was being facetious, just illustrating the fact that many players do not decide to pay $14.95 a month based on what 5% of other players do
16:27.58Elsiathat is the only issue as I see it currently
16:28.01kebinusanhello kitty island adventure imo
16:28.12cncfanaticsElsia: why is that an issue ?
16:28.15Cheadsxyu: as it started to say, it's fun to see how you elitists say every boss is so damn easy when the majority are strugling to get well into ssc/tk
16:28.15kebinusanI dont know where you get that top 5% thing
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16:28.22kebinusanraid content has always been a part of MMO's
16:28.27Elsiacnc: well it actually isn't because Blizz does the right things regardless
16:28.36xyuCheads: Then i feel they need to re-evaluate what they're doing wrong.
16:28.43kebinusanand most of it is accessible to people who have a desire to see it
16:29.01PrimerAt first I was upset about the dumbing down of the game, but I figured I would never see this end-game content if this didn't happen. My guild == 5/6 SSC, 2/4 TK
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16:29.04Nandiniwhat they're doing right is they're paying blizzard $14.95 a month, that has to be blizzard's bottom line
16:29.22cncfanaticsPrimer: my guild is 3/4 TK & 5/6 SSC, and I feel I'm going to see most content before wotlk is out
16:29.30kebinusanthat dumbing down of content is how they make encounters accessable to more people
16:29.32cncfanaticsits in november, plenty of time left
16:29.50xyudumbing down is fine.  catching people up in gear w/ badges is fine, i agree w/ all of that.
16:29.58xyuBut when something is new, it should be difficult.  
16:30.07Nandiniit would not make good business sense for blizzard not to cater to the majority of their customers, since there is no evidence that the minority has significantly influed those majority of paying customers
16:30.28Elsiawell they really gotta tune entry level right, but naxx 2.0 may just do that
16:30.41Primercncfanatics: I was hoping to get to BT with the currently available instances and gear, but the more I think about this, the more I like it
16:30.45Elsiathey lost massive subscriptions last March/April because raiding was way overtuned
16:31.05Nandiniand they do indulge the majority with excellent challenges when new content is released
16:31.05Elsiaand they know it... lack of entry level raiding content was the biggest part of that, at a 25 man size that is
16:31.06Daemona|ZzZit wasnt overtuned, it was challenging :X
16:31.11PrimerI mean, you have to get 25 people to agree to do something, and do it well
16:31.16xyuIn my opinion, and this is just from personal experience.  They lose more subscriptions to this PVP crap than they do PvE
16:31.38dre^I think a big reason for collapsing the curve is to allow new players the chance to get reasonably close to existing players... keeping the majority of the users as clumped as possible is good for lots of the mechanics of how raiding works
16:31.38kebinusanguess what cant find 25? there are 10 man raids
16:31.41Nandinii love the pvp crap, it has kept me paying my subscription tbh. LOL
16:31.43FtH|DaemonaPrimer OMGOOOOOOD you had to get FOURTY people to do MC BWL AQ40 NAXX
16:31.44Primerdre^: how so?
16:31.56kebinusanpersonally Id rahter have 40 man raids back, at least then you could have an idiot or two in the guild
16:32.03xyuYes Nandini:  But a lot of people feel the pvp is lackluster and not moving in the right direction.  
16:32.13xyuI've seen lots of people quite for queues alone.  
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16:32.15CIA-9- The real SoR libram fix
16:32.15dre^primer: well take the issue of having enough peopel to run 25 man content in teh first place... if people are too spread out, it's impossibel to find enough people at a simmilar level of progression
16:32.18PrimerFtH|Daemona: heh, that was before my time. I didn't start playing til January last year
16:32.20Nandinii agree, there are many other better choices for "real" pvp action
16:32.21kebinusanthe blaance in PVP is broken
16:32.25kebinusanmeleecraft
16:32.26cncfanaticsdre^: people used to be able to find 40
16:32.32cncfanatics25 is a cakewalk with some work :/
16:32.37Primerdre^: that doesn't explain why pvp is the problem
16:32.40dre^yes, at level 60
16:32.44FtH|DaemonaPrimer then dont QQ about having to 25...
16:32.45kebinusancant find 25 on your server transfer to a higher pop one
16:32.47xyuI haven't heard of anyone quitting the game because "I can't make it into a BT raiding guild"
16:32.49cncfanaticsdre^: why would that be different at 70 ?
16:32.51dre^and I didn't say anything about pvp ;)
16:32.51xyubut i'm sure they're out there.
16:32.55Nandinibut honestly, most people (myself included) don't pvp for the action, they pvp for free epics
16:32.57dre^cncfanatics: greater spread, pretty simple...
16:33.03cncfanaticshow so ?
16:33.05PrimerFtH|Daemona: I don't know how you got the impression I was complaining
16:33.07dre^70 > 60
16:33.18FtH|Daemonalast night we PUG'd SSC / TK at 11pm -.-
16:33.29FtH|Daemonayou just have to put in the effort
16:33.34xyumy server has a few PUG ssc/TK's
16:33.42cncfanaticsFtH|Daemona: people dont want to put the effort
16:33.42Primerdre^: oh, my bad, it was xyu
16:33.44xyuas well as "Alt hyjals"  
16:33.48Elsiafull server population or low/medium?
16:33.49xyuwhat?  sorry didn't see
16:33.55FtH|Daemonacncfanatics yeah, hand me the badges, hand me the gear
16:33.59dre^PUGs of any 25m raid are unheard of on my realm, heh...
16:34.01Nandinii pugged TK before we had enough geared up in my guild to start attempting it
16:34.03Elsiacertainly there are exactly 0 SSC/TK pugs on my server, but we are medium
16:34.11Nandinibut on my low pop realm, no one would dare try it
16:34.14cncfanaticsElsia: get on kazzak
16:34.20cncfanaticsthere are gruul, magh , tk & ssc pugs
16:34.23Elsiacnc: Nah I stay with my friends
16:34.31FtH|Daemonadunno, i would have to logout and check how populated eu-destromath is ;)
16:34.38FtH|Daemonai'd assume high / closed
16:34.38xyuYeah w/o friends there's nothing
16:34.40Elsiaserver transfer: one of the worst inventions of blizz in my book
16:34.48FtH|Daemonaas it has constant free transfer away since mid januar
16:34.57dre^we flip back and forth between "low" and "medium".. my guild is #3 horde side, and we met illadin for the first time last week
16:34.57Nandiniit makes them more money elsia, an alternative revenue stream
16:35.02Elsiait was meant to bring friends together, instead it has created raiding mecca servers
16:35.16PrimerI think I've only ever seen 3 or 4 players in full T6 on my realm
16:35.33doc^blai have 2 full t6 sets ;)
16:35.51xyui'm saving for sunwell's t6 :P
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16:35.57PrimerI know of only 5 guilds doing BT, 2 of which down Illidan regularly
16:36.16doc^blawe don't have dkp, i don't have to save
16:36.17dre^what's up with the lack of additional set bonuses on the t6 anyway? :/
16:36.18kebinusanthere is only one guild on my realm on illidan and only two guilds in BT
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16:36.21kebinusanthats alliance and horde
16:36.24Elsiaa typical server has 0-2 illidan killing groups tops
16:36.30xyudoc^bla: static 25?
16:36.41Xinhuandre^, the gear in sunwell is better than the gear in bt/hyjal
16:36.45Nandinithey want to give you the freedom to pick and choose 4/8 pieces and replace others with sunwell drops
16:36.45Xinhuanso the t6 in sunwell is meant to
16:36.53Xinhuanreplace some of your bt/hyjal gear
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16:36.55doc^blano, loot council. you say need, they decide
16:36.56Xinhuanalong with the non-set pieces
16:37.01Xinhuanand yet you don't lose the 2 or 4 pc bonus
16:37.12Nandiniprecisely
16:37.24dre^yeah, but I woudl have hoped that additional bonuses woudl be granted for players who did manage to get t6 items from hyjal / bt
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16:37.43dre^didnt a lot of the lvl 60 8 pieces have like... more than 2 set bonuses?
16:37.43xyui'm interested in seeing if mages will go arcane in 2.4.   I hope not but it's possible.  2pT5 4PT6
16:38.08Nandiniyes, there were minor bonuses for having 6 or 8 pieces of t2
16:38.24kenlyric3, 5, 8
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16:38.40kenlyrict3 had 2, 4, 6,  8
16:38.53Nandiniusually the raw stats on having 5 or 8 pieces was more useful than the extra set bonus for most classes
16:38.57kenlyric(and nine pieces)
16:38.58cncfanaticsthe 8pc bonusses were OP
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16:39.06cncfanaticssome at least
16:39.09doc^blamy server has 12 guilds with illidan down :> and it's not even a big one
16:39.10Nandinihmm maybe OP for some classes, yes
16:39.13cncfanaticst2 8pc for mages was OP
16:39.25dre^doc^bla: that seems well above average to me
16:39.26xyui loved mages who pvp'd in full netherwind.  sure they got a proc PoM but they had like 5300 hp :P
16:39.41cncfanaticsxyu: I used to do that
16:39.43cncfanaticsin the old AV
16:39.47kenlyrict2 3 piece set was irreplaceable for priests.
16:39.50Nandinistand on a hill and BOOM
16:39.51cncfanaticsjust hide behind a tree and spam fireball
16:39.59doc^blathat's why raid guilds are transferswarming us, dre^ :(
16:40.00kenlyricstill would be, if they hadn't nerfed it
16:40.34xyuwhat was priest 3p bonus?
16:40.41dre^how does transferswarming actaully impact your raidindg though? or is it just annoying in other ways?
16:40.42cncfanatics15% mana regen while casting ?
16:40.45cncfanatics:unsure:
16:40.46kenlyric15% mana regen in combat
16:40.50kenlyricsame as druid
16:40.51xyuoh wow
16:41.07cncfanaticspriests wld farm bwl for it if they didnt change it
16:41.17xyuhah no kidding
16:41.23cncfanaticsseriously :p
16:41.31kenlyriceven PMC is hard to break.
16:41.51xyuthere was a nice trinket from there too wasnt' there? reguvinating gme
16:41.52xyugem
16:41.54xyuor whatever
16:41.54kenlyricbut, much less so
16:41.58xyui heard some 70's use that too
16:42.02kenlyricxyu: speak not of the gem.
16:42.26Nandinilest it be nerfed for those who still have it?
16:42.33kenlyricno, i'm fine with that
16:42.47kenlyricit never dropped for us
16:42.55cncfanaticsthe mage trinket is still used too
16:42.55kenlyricnor onyxia trinket
16:42.57cncfanaticsmind quickening gem
16:43.01cncfanaticsit gives a SILLY amount of spell haste
16:43.03Nandinii really need to go back and farm that druid maul/swipe idol with the change to swipe in 2.4
16:43.27Nandinii guess the change to lacerate may still make swipe less useful even in tight quarters with CCed mobs
16:43.56Nandinibut there are still some times when i know i will be swipe tanking trash, so it would be good to ahve
16:44.31dre^I like swiping when it crits on two or three targets at the same time... yummy rage
16:44.56Nandinii put on an elemental sharpening stone for exactly that reason :)
16:45.07Nandinino better way to start a fight with full rage!
16:45.14kenlyricI did the math once, 0/40 for onyxia, 0/66 for three drakes. and 0/24 or so for the time I spent in karazhan
16:45.21Nandiniomg the sharpening/weightstones in 2.4 will make us OP though i think
16:45.22dre^wait a minute, there are temp weapon buffs for druids?!?
16:45.27kenlyricI no longer hold hope out of ever having an epic trinket drop.
16:45.34Nandiniyes, you can use elemental sharpening stone for 28 crit rating
16:45.50Nandiniand in 2.4, you can use adamantite sharpening/weightstones for 12 weapon dmg and 14 crit rating
16:46.04dre^oh, blacksmithing :/
16:46.09Nandiniif you are on a new or low pop server, you may not have any blacksmiths who can make elemental sharpening stones
16:46.22Nandiniit's like a 3% drop off of 3 bosses in MC
16:46.26dre^oh, but doesn't require BS skill to use! nice
16:46.30kenlyricthe last trinket which I had drop was mar'li's eye in february '06
16:46.47Nandinibut in 2.4, you can use widely available adamantite varieties
16:46.55Nandiniand pump out some insane dps
16:47.10Nandiniadding 12 damage to our base 55 dps paws is a HUGE increase
16:47.26dre^whoa, +weapon damage works for druids?!?
16:47.38Nandiniit already works if it's not a weapon enchant
16:47.41dre^(I'm still a druid noob if that's not obvious... main is a resto shaman)
16:47.52Nandinibut in 2.4, temporary weapon enchants will work on our paws too for +dmg
16:47.57Polarina<!-- No, I don't think this name is long enough. Yes, I would name it something longer if I could. Hrm. I probably should have put DDL in there for a touch of hungarian.-->
16:47.58PolarinaInterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoad(self)
16:48.31Xinhuanheh whats the limit on variable naming length in lua?
16:48.36dre^I like the token underscore in there
16:49.09Nandini_OnLoad makes it an automatic handler, yes?
16:49.29Xinhuanlua> InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoad = 1; print(InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoad)
16:49.29lua_botXinhuan: 1
16:49.42Xinhuanlua> InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoadabcdefgabcdefgabcdefg = 1; print(InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoadabcdefgabcdefgabcdefg)
16:49.42lua_botXinhuan: 1
16:49.54Xinhuanmaybe the limit is something quite unreachable
16:50.01clad|officei'm not sure there is one
16:50.07clad|officesince its just an index into the genv
16:50.09clad|officelocals, maybe :P
16:50.12PolarinaXinhuan: The limit is the limit of a string. :)
16:50.17Xinhuanwhat about a local
16:50.20clad|officebut the regexp for identifiers in the lexer doesn't havea  limit
16:50.22Xinhuanits not an index in any table
16:50.32PolarinaXinhuan: You'll run out of memory prior to reaching the limit in most cases.
16:50.35kenlyrichow hard is it to include required libs in x-embed? really?
16:50.47kenlyriclike this is 2006 or some shit
16:50.52XinhuanC's limit is 32 chars is it? or is it 64
16:50.53kenlyricstabstabstab
16:51.31PolarinaXinhuan: The specification provides a minimum which I don't recall at the moment.
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16:52.29dre^ho ho: http://www.xkcd.com/376/
16:53.41kenlyricfuck a duck on a fucking cracker
16:53.53kenlyricthis mod put standalone libraries in x-embed...
16:54.27kenlyricthank god, now I have metrognome!
16:54.48Nandinii get the subtle impression that you're displeased with an addon's library handling... care to tell us more? :)
16:54.59kenlyricseveral, actually
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16:55.16kenlyricthey keep making me manually download libs. It makes me angry like hulk
16:58.21chiperNivFreak: ping
16:58.40NivFreakhi
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17:16.38Zhinjiothat wasn't nearly enough sleep. Anxiety ftl.
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17:18.55CIA-903xinhuan * r64374 10BankItemsFu/BankItemsFu.lua: BankItemsFu: - Remove unused deDE translation which was causing errors since it isn't defined in enUS.
17:21.33HjalteOh crap, something is making my incoming whispers not appear in my chatframe.
17:23.14genetikmake sure it's not unchecked?
17:23.49HjalteYeah, just checked.
17:23.57HjalteI see outgoing whispers fine
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17:24.39chiperare you sure you are being whispered?
17:25.37Nandiniwhisper yourself
17:26.18AnadaleZeksie, there is a bug in your latest update
17:26.36Zeksiego on.. i'm prolly about to post the fix to it ;)
17:26.39AnadaleI've made a quick fix
17:26.41NivFreakHjalte: wim?
17:27.15Anadalelocal rid = strmatch( unit.unitid, "raid(%d+)" )
17:27.15Anadalelocal subgroup = rid and select(3, GetRaidRosterInfo(tonumber(rid))) or 1     -- Fix for rosterlib's occasional group barf
17:27.32Anadalethere is 3 places that cause an errors
17:27.41Zeksieyes, i'd done a fix for it too
17:27.56Anadaleok, waiting for update through WAU
17:28.01Zeksiek
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17:28.29CIA-903zeksie * r64375 10ZOMGBuffs/ (8 files in 6 dirs):
17:28.29CIA-9ZOMGBuffs
17:28.29CIA-9- Fixed various issues with PallyPower Comms module
17:28.29CIA-9- Fixed more issues with subgroup numbers working around the RosterLib bug.
17:28.29CIA-9- Fixed Drag and Drop of blessings in manager.
17:28.44NivFreakwhat a terrible name
17:28.47NivFreakwhat does it do :)
17:28.49Zeksiei'll do a proper fix for it at some point and drop roster lib
17:29.00Anadaleit ZOMGBuffs :)
17:29.17Zeksiehttp://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11887.0
17:29.53Megalon"zertainly omits myself giving buffs"!
17:30.19Anadale;)
17:31.10NivFreakZeksie: does it let me do raid leader level assignments and see who fails to buff? ;)
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17:31.53Zeksieif palas, yeah. other classes not so much. but you can see easily whole raid's buffs at a glance. and you can see which pala is slacking
17:32.24Zeksieraid leader can setup blessings tho, pala or not
17:32.35Zeksieand the auto generated stuff is just heavenly
17:33.30NivFreakit'd be awesome to have it coordinate for the entire raid
17:33.45NivFreakI hate having to use both pally power and XRS
17:33.56NivFreakand I have no clear way to automatically pass out buff assignments
17:34.15FtH|Daemonaustream is some fun stuff....
17:34.24Zeksieyeah, can do that here for blessings. and other classes who use it can enable the auto-group assignments option to share out the work
17:34.30FtH|Daemonatill a dps warrior starts streaming our guild run on supremus -.-
17:34.46NivFreakZeksie: so if I force everyone to use it, can I see who is assigned what?
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17:35.02NivFreakand does it handle shouts?
17:35.15Zeksiefor blessings, yes. i've not gone that far with other buffs yet
17:35.28Zeksieit'll do shouts, but the use of that is a little limited.
17:36.24GrumZeksie: screenshot please!
17:36.38NivFreakZeksie: cool, how stable is it atm?
17:36.40Kaeltenno not screenies!
17:36.55Kaeltenack!
17:37.07Zeksieworking out kinks mostly. works for some, others have a couple of issues
17:37.38Nandiniyes, i have developed obsessive compulsive disorder after attempting to use it
17:37.47Grumscreenshot!
17:37.50NivFreakZeksie: looks very interesting :)
17:37.51Grumgive me the sexy looks
17:37.52Nandiniyou may want to add that to the list of potential side effects
17:37.59ZeksieScreenies on: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/11630/
17:38.33HjalteZeksie: ZOMGBuffs was the addon blocking my incoming whispers :)
17:38.53Zeksieodd.. it should only block stuff with !zomg or !buff prefix
17:39.03mikmaAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
17:39.23mikmamy guildmembers are saying that RECOUNT caused Silvermoon's instanceserver crash moment ago
17:39.23GrumZeksie: its sexy if it will do what it says on the tin
17:39.25Grumso nice work :)
17:39.36Zeksieheh
17:39.37Grumsure
17:39.42Grumrecount can do that!
17:39.47GrumO.O
17:39.56mikmasure!
17:40.17mikmathey said something like "it's because recount sends data for all players, so if one uses recount everyone gets it!"
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17:40.19Zeksiebeen working on it a while, and we've been using it in guild. most of the bugs since last nite were caused by having to setup the modules crap
17:41.07NeoTronmikma: there's no lack of stupidity out there
17:41.17Grummikma: omg ... that is exactly what KTM, Omen, oRA2, CTRA etc .. name a bloody addon ... does
17:41.44NeoTronZeksie: interesting addon
17:42.49Zeksiecan't tell much from 1st screenshot, but that first bar you see expands upwards for each player in raid. and icons for different raid buffs which show brightly for ppl missing those buffs
17:43.04Zeksiethe initials at the top of the blessings show which pala does that column
17:43.11mikmaNeoTron: yeah baby :D
17:43.21mikmaGrum: that's what i had to tell them :D
17:43.24ElsiaI doubt that recount can crash a server
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17:43.38NeoTronobviously
17:43.41kenlyricwe should work for that
17:43.49mikmathey *really* said that recount sends it data globally to all players in the server :D
17:44.01chiperrecount doesnt even send anything to the server, does it?  it's all passive
17:44.12Grummikma: if that is true then blizzard has broken the server
17:44.17Grumits not passive
17:44.23Grumit shares in the 'partychannel'
17:44.30Grum(it being a raid or party)
17:44.36Grumwhich it should
17:44.48ZeksieHjalte: do you use some chat mod? WIM or something like it?
17:45.04mikmaGrum: yeah, i know that and i tried to explain it to them too :D
17:45.08NeoTronZeksie: I'll check that addon otu and if it turns out as nice as it looks, I assume I need to convince all my buffers to use it?
17:45.12mikmabut did they understand? no
17:45.14NeoTronor at the very least paladins?
17:45.14mikmaoh well
17:45.16sag_ich_nicht[18:38] <Zeksie> odd.. it should only block stuff with !zomg or !buff prefix <--you shouldn't use whispers for addon communication
17:45.23sag_ich_nichtplease stop doing that lern2addon msgs
17:45.25Zeksiehehe. prolly not all buffers. i'd start on the paladins and work from there
17:45.26mikmanow i said that you guys will start to code a feature in recount that can crash server
17:45.44NeoTronsag_ich_nicht: I think that's a way for a person without the addon to get info
17:45.49sag_ich_nichtgah
17:45.53sag_ich_nichti hate that
17:45.53Zeksiesag_ich_nich: you should if it's a chat repsonder so someone can ask for a buff automatically
17:45.54sag_ich_nichtD:
17:45.55HjalteZeksie: Fubar_Whisperfu, that's how i learned that I didnt receive incoming whispers, as it was still showing them.
17:46.47Zeksiewill look at it. but whispers are just fine for me atm.
17:47.17Zeksieuses the exact same hook mechanism that CraftList2 does
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17:48.00HjalteZeksie: When disabling ZOMGBuffs through the fubar icon, all my whispers appeared in the chat-frame.
17:48.37Zeksieyeah. loading up whisperfu now
17:49.35FtH|Daemonais zomgbuffs wim compatible
17:49.38Zeksieye
17:50.04MuuuuuEmh. Got a problem here. I just installed Elkbuffbar and when i put buff on the Blizzard Orginal Buff Shows up :/ how do i get rid of them ?
17:50.09Zeksieloaded whisperfu, sent myself a tell and.... it works
17:51.11ChompersZeksie: your addon could be a pallypower replacent
17:51.18Chomperslooking forward to trying it out in a raid
17:51.44NeoTronI installed pally power once
17:51.51NeoTronit confused me so I uninstalled it :)
17:51.57Zeksieour palas haven't looked back. one click from one person and all blessings are setup for the raid.
17:52.07NeoTrondoes it use templates?
17:52.09Zeksieonce you tell it which druids are tanks/healers etc. etc.
17:52.11Zeksieyes
17:52.14NeoTroncool
17:52.19Chomperslittle overwhelming at the moment, im hoping it makes more sense in raid
17:52.26NeoTronso your addon is to raid buffing what my addon is to raid icon marking
17:52.28Zeksieyeah. it's a lot to take in i know
17:52.34Zeksieperzactly
17:53.42ZeksieHjalte: check whisperfu hadn't blocked things as spam whispers or something. cos it seems to function just fine at this end, using the latest version on wau
17:55.02HjalteZeksie: I'm not having spam blocked by WhisperFU, I am however having it blocked by KivinSpamGuard - That could be it too, I suppose?
17:55.52Gnarfozanyone using trillian here got any problems connecting to icq today?
17:56.23xyuWARN: Unable to determine the class for "XXX".  XXX = mage in mechanar,  (Magicmarker)  any reasons why this could happen?
17:57.07ThraeAny Wowace forum mods available?
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17:57.21ThraeKaelten: I also need a Curse staff member too
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17:57.37Gnarfozhe is both, anyway
17:57.43Anadalezeksie: AceLocale(ZOMGBlessingsManager): Translation "%s %s, Please use these buff settings:" does not exist.
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17:57.56ThraeYeah, but he may not be available right now
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17:58.22Kaelten*hides under a rock*
17:58.23Gnarfozjust gave himself ops, I think he's there ;)
17:58.27NeoTronxyu: it might happen if the person isn't loaded yet
17:58.29NeoTronxyu: I think
17:58.43ValleGQuestion on WAU, to weed out the unused libraries, what's the easiest way, delete all libs are just update addons?
17:58.58NeoTronI had it happen for myself but fixed it. I guess it can happen to anyone and maybe shouldn't be a warning
17:58.59GnarfozValleG: using WAU, yes
17:59.14GnarfozValleG: jWU has a function dedicated to that, though
17:59.21ValleGrawr
17:59.31KaeltenGnarfoz: don't tell anyone *shhh*
17:59.49GnarfozKaelten: you're not helping things by talking in the channel ;D
17:59.56Kaelteneck!
18:00.22ValleGi don't even remember if i have java installed
18:00.42ValleGsnap! i do
18:00.47Gnarfoza machine without a JRE? blasphemy!
18:00.54xyuNeoTron: we've been through the whole instance
18:00.56xyuhe's loaded :)
18:00.59xyuwe're at the last boss now
18:01.35ChompersZeksie:   ZOMGBuffs-64357\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3353: attempt to index field 'reagents' (a nil value)
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18:01.53ValleGGnarfoz, too bad it looks like one of those cheap ripoffs / fake programs :)
18:02.07ChompersZeksie: talked to a vendor
18:02.31GnarfozValleG: dunno, never used it. just recalled someone saying that it has that functionality
18:02.34Gnarfoz~jwu
18:02.34purlJWowUpdater is a java based tool for updating your World of Warcraft addons. http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5917
18:02.44CIA-903jncl * r64376 10Abakus/Abakus.toc: Abakus: Added category and version info to TOC
18:02.47Elsialua> function l:t() print("b") end a = { "a",l:t() } a["a"]()
18:02.48lua_botElsia: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'l' (a nil value)
18:03.16Elsialua> local l = {} function l:t() print("b") end a = { "a",l:t() } a["a"]()
18:03.16lua_botElsia: b, luabot:1: attempt to call field 'a' (a nil value)
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18:07.40Zhinjiois there a global that provides class string colors (|cFF00FF00 formats) like RAID_CLASS_COLORS provides the rgbs?
18:08.13nevcairielZhinjio: create it yourself =p
18:08.30Zhinjio*nod* ... I am already... just wondering if I was wasting effort
18:08.35Grumlua> local l = {}; function l:t() print("b") end; a = { "a" = l:t() }; a["a"]()
18:08.36lua_botGrum: luabot:1: '}' expected near '='
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18:08.44Grumi also fail
18:08.57nevcairielthat line fails in so many aspects
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18:09.15nevcairielfirst off, the syntax is ["a"] = stuff in table contructor
18:09.24Zeddeis there some way you could move the ability and char window ?
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18:09.36nevcairielsecond, you already call the function l:t() in your constructor, rather then assignung a function ref
18:09.50nevcairiel*assigning
18:10.28nevcairiellua> local l = {}; function l:t() print("b") end; a = { ["a"] = l.t }; a["a"]()
18:10.28lua_botnevcairiel: b
18:10.47Elsiatnx
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18:12.20Grum<nevcairiel> first off, the syntax is ["a"] = stuff in table contructor <-- that is not always true right?
18:12.24NeoTronxyu: honestly no clue then
18:12.40NeoTronxyu: someone reported that UnitClass(X) didn't work for a player - is it a 5-man or a raid?
18:13.06nevcairielGrum: its either { a = "stuff" } or { ["a"] = "stuff"} .. the first one doesnt work for numbers, or strings with spaces, or any other datatype
18:13.19Grumyeah
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18:17.28NeoTronso I learned yesterday that our guild bank has about 60000 gold in cash
18:17.40Primerdamn
18:17.48NeoTron"cash" rather. Meaning excluding items/mats/stuff
18:18.01NeoTronmaking a killing on selling HoD's cheaply (350g or so a pop)
18:18.11PrimerHoD?
18:18.16NeoTronHeart of Darkness
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18:18.49NeoTronwe have a lot of guilds earlier in BT now and all need SH for shahraz
18:19.15NeoTronplus a lot of people probably want the crafted bracers/shoulders when the price is getting that "low"
18:19.32Primerheh, I've been struggling to get another 5k gold for my priest's epic flyer
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18:19.57NeoTronwell there's a bit of a difference between soloing and a rather large and highend raiding guild ;-)
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18:20.54NeoTronhave a nice guild bank setup - you send in items and get credits ~= avg AH price. you can then request items and get them for 20% off avg AH price
18:21.27Primerwhat do people charge for nether vortex on your realm?
18:21.39NeoTronstill sit around 1000g I believe
18:21.44PrimerOn mine they go for 1k
18:21.46NivFreaksame
18:21.48NeoTronthink we recently sold one for that
18:21.54p3lim850 on my server :o
18:22.00NivFreakthey are going to drop like a rock when 2.4 hits
18:22.07Primerpeople have been trying to sell theirs off before the patch
18:22.07NeoTronyep
18:22.14CIA-903elsia 072.4 * r64377 10Recount/Tracker.lua:
18:22.14CIA-9Recount:
18:22.14CIA-9- Changed combat log parsing from if-chains to table lookup for performance boost.
18:22.15NeoTronI'm surprised ppl still buy them at that price
18:22.29NeoTronElsia: nice
18:22.29p3limits still a while until 2.4 tho
18:22.34genetiki'm still trying to offload all of the boe patterns we got from tier 5
18:22.40NeoTronthe lack of a decent "switch" in lua is annoying ;-)
18:22.51NeoTronand with decent switch I mean one capable of handlign strings and other entities
18:23.26NeoTronso after farming BT / hyjal for >2 months we have only gotten _2_ nimble thought shoulder patterns
18:23.34NeoTronwe've gotten a shitton of other stuff
18:23.36SarozFunkeh`, hyjal is not showing the name of the mobs in the waves anymore
18:23.51kergothcan always implement your own switch with a jump table of sorts
18:23.55kergothvalue->funcref
18:23.56SarozFunkeh`, nm
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18:27.17NeoTronkergoth: well yes, using a table is a workaround
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18:27.50NeoTronthe switch in the Pike language can work on anything since it has shared strings etc. so the string "XYZ" is always the exact same string as another "XYZ"
18:28.05NeoTronthis switch("XYZ") is really just a switch on an integer (memory address of the string)
18:28.30NeoTronmy point being, it's faster than a table lookup most likely
18:29.09NeoTronstill I'd much rather use a table lookup than a long if / elseif/elseif/else type setup
18:29.16kergothpossibly.. but lua's table lookups are pretty quick
18:29.23kergothyeah, for code cleanliness, i'd agree
18:29.49kergothif there are any other presidents of hte usa fans around, their new cd came out yesterday, check the video of one of the songs on http://www.presidentsrock.com/
18:29.51kergoth<3 pusa
18:31.18NeoTrontable lookup is clearly better yes
18:31.53NeoTronbut obviously since it's recommended to use upvalues, it is faster not to
18:32.23kergothhuh, this zomgbuffs thing seems kinda nice
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18:33.47NeoTronwonder if it's possible to implement UnitName(unit ID) (unit ID isn't necessarily the GUID but the unit type ID)
18:34.20NeoTronI mean if Blizzard can implement it. I so wish to be able to get the name from a non-localized value without a big lookup table of badness
18:34.33Industrialkergoth: what zomgbuffs thinf
18:34.36Industrialthing*
18:34.51kergothIndustrial: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/11630/
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18:41.37CIA-903jerry 072.4 * r64378 10Links/Links/Links.lua: Links: (2.4 branch) fix anchoring, fix spell link test.
18:42.01CIA-903ulic * r64379 10LittleWigs/ (10 files in 2 dirs):
18:42.01CIA-9LittleWigs:
18:42.01CIA-9- The beginning of work on Magisters' Terrace modules (untested, need more transcriptor logs please, heroic & normal)
18:42.01CIA-9- Could someone update the .bat & .sh files for me?
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18:45.20Dashkalhmm, that looks handy for actually remembering to buff thorns on the tank...
18:46.00Dashkal10 min buffs suck (and there's a reason I never rolled a paladin)
18:46.20cncfanaticsNeoTron: u'd basicly have blizz do a table lookup for you ? :p
18:46.47kergothrofl, the chorus of this pusa song is "Don't ever get involved with a french girl..".  "French girl pouts and wonders about the world... she blames the darkness for wearing scratchy wool in the sun.."
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18:48.34NeoTroncncfanatics: well, right
18:48.45NeoTronbut just like item info, I assume the data is already in the client, cached
18:49.14cncfanaticsNeoTron: yea, probably
18:49.34NeoTronwould be nice now when we have the unit ID
18:49.55cncfanaticsI guess you could ask$
18:50.02cncfanaticsunit ID's aren't constant as far as I know though
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18:50.21cncfanaticsso you'd still have to localize stuff if you only want to do something for a certain mob
18:54.00NeoTroncncfanatics: they are
18:54.09NeoTronhttp://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18695  <-- unit ID
18:54.21NeoTronit's a small part of the UnitGUID
18:54.43NeoTronbasically GUID ~= ID
18:55.10cncfanaticsa GUID is constant for a mob ???
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18:55.16CIA-9WitchHunt:
18:55.16CIA-9- Add color customization support to the messages. Now everyone can be happy and fit the messages into their evil happy kitty layouts or other abominations.
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18:55.20cncfanaticsoh, ID
18:55.23cncfanaticsnvm, I'm getting confused
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18:56.07NeoTronright
18:56.14Josh_Borkeleft
18:56.21NeoTronGUID = unique, ID = 16 bit ID that's part of the GUID
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18:59.53NeoTrondoes 2.4 add spell ID's so you don't need localizes spell names anymore?
19:00.03NeoTronI mean for parsing purposes
19:00.50p3limthat would be very very nice
19:01.03CIA-903ammo 072.4 * r64382 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua): WitchHunt: add a description to the color dialog
19:01.48[Ammo]it does Neotron
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19:03.25NeoTroncool
19:03.45NeoTronwill make my next planned addon easier :P
19:04.01NeoTronis there already some addon that does spell ID => spell name / class?
19:04.06NeoTronor class => list of spell Id's? :)
19:04.20[Ammo]name, rank, icon = GetSpellInfo(spellID)
19:04.21[Ammo]ec
19:04.22[Ammo]etc
19:05.51NeoTronhmm
19:06.06NeoTrondoesn't seem to include duration
19:06.46[Ammo]it includes a lot more return vars
19:06.50[Ammo]but dunno :)
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19:07.01CIA-9SuicideKingsGeo :
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19:07.28Dashkalwoot, zomgbuffs is on wowace.  easy updating ftw
19:07.35NeoTronname, rank, icon, cost, isFunnel, powerType, castTime, minRange, maxRange according to wowwiki
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19:09.54IndustrialDashkal: wowace is not for easy updating
19:10.01Industrialits for testing new unreleased versions
19:10.24[Ammo]poor industrial and his ever failing crusade against wowace
19:10.28Industrialsrsly
19:11.03Dashkalwowace is a community.  about the only thing it really is
19:11.42Fisker-moar liek poor me :(
19:11.54IndustrialThe faith (force?) in me is strong. One day justice will come upon you, you will all be smitten, and I will win the internets.
19:11.57FtH|Daemonapoor Fisker- :(
19:11.57Mudkipzlolwut?
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19:12.23Fisker-exacly
19:12.26Fisker-exactly*
19:12.27Fisker-poor me :(
19:12.37Industrialheretics!
19:13.21Dashkal*cyclone* oh wait, they nerfed that.  and I don't wanna get that close...
19:13.42Fisker-can i enter jerusalem now?
19:14.17Mudkipzthey changed cyclone?
19:14.22Dashkal20 yards now
19:14.25Fisker-= win
19:14.27Mudkipzunpossible
19:14.29Fisker-now nerf mana burn
19:14.31Fisker-NERF MANA BURN
19:14.41erzyYES PLEASE
19:14.48IndustrialDashkal: My point is (although I see that it will enver have the desired effect) and I am about the only person that can't accept that wowace used to be a _developer_ community and that is has gone from that to a userbase of "duh if i press the button nothing comes out".
19:14.49Gnarfozanyone doing music production in here? this is so awesome: http://www.celemony.com/dna_standalone/
19:15.04Industrialwow weird sentences ft
19:15.05Industrialw
19:15.11IndustrialEllipsis: your queue
19:15.31Ellipsislolwut?
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19:16.10DashkalIndustrial: I understand where you're coming from, but you're right in that it cannot go back there.  The "wowace" brand became popular and so people started using it directly.  Now we have masses of people using the most convinent method possible to keep up to date.  That means WAU.
19:16.13Industrialyou are the grammar queen :p
19:16.24[Ammo]haha
19:16.33[Ammo]I am happy with my new witchhunt 2.4 configs :)
19:16.41EllipsisIndustrial: I know better than to try to fix your grammar
19:16.42[Ammo]http://connected.dnd.utwente.nl/~wouter/config/
19:16.54DashkalAnd yes, that includes me.  One key up to date is win.
19:16.59IndustrialEllipsis: scared it will infect:p?
19:17.15[Ammo]urgh
19:17.17Ellipsisno, mostly just scared of you being on whatever you must be smoking to talk like that :P
19:17.17[Ammo]badass typo
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19:17.18CIA-9BunchOfBars:
19:17.18CIA-9- VisualHeal module contained some bugs
19:17.19CIA-9- other minor fixes
19:17.34Industrialbeer :S
19:17.45Industrialill stfu.
19:17.51NeoTronIndustrial: wowace is still a developer community but it's become a lot more. things change. deal. :)
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19:18.18NeoTronand even though wowace per se doesn't make stuff better, in reality it _often_ does
19:18.21[Ammo]it's become a lot more diluted with retards who think they can program but are only good at copy pasting stuff others made and then wonder why it doesn't work for them
19:18.37[Ammo]hence 80%+ of the addons on wowace suck utter donkey balls
19:18.48NeoTronbecause 1) ppl hanging out here learn (I've learned a lot), 2) good framework (be it ace2, rock or ace3) helps
19:18.53[Ammo]stuff on wowace is in general worse than anything found on wowinterface
19:19.00[Ammo]due to the sheer amount of moron fanbois
19:19.06Dashkaljust on wowace != win, that's for damn sure.
19:19.23NeoTron[Ammo]: I don't really agree that most stuff is bad but I do think some sort of quality control might be good
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19:19.30[Ammo]NeoTron: most stuff is bad
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19:19.34[Ammo]like REAL bad
19:19.38GnarfozI hate hitting ctrl+w by accident
19:19.39NeoTronany examples?
19:19.45NeoTronmaybe I'm just not using "most stuff"
19:19.51[Ammo]PallyPower, immensly popular but utter shite
19:19.55Gnarfozwtf
19:19.56[Ammo]Alar
19:20.03Industriallolar
19:20.05DashkalThe paladins in my guild want to make PP mandatory...
19:20.07[Ammo]codewise
19:20.08Gnarfozpallypower is THE paladin buff addon
19:20.11Fisker-fuck you [Ammo]!
19:20.11NeoTronDashkal: show then zomgbuffs
19:20.12[Ammo]it's SHITE
19:20.18Fisker-THEN MAKE A BETTER ONE RAWR
19:20.21Gnarfozwho the FUCK cares about code wise? :p
19:20.22[Ammo]did you ever open the code for that one?
19:20.23DashkalI intend to after looking at it myself
19:20.32[Ammo]Gnarfoz: this community used to
19:20.36IndustrialGnarfoz: developers. I KEEL YOU
19:20.42GnarfozIndustrial: silence. :p
19:20.43DashkalIf it can make me keep the tank's thorns up, I can recommend it.
19:20.45Fisker-I KEEL YOU
19:20.54NeoTronGnarfoz: code-wise is what historically made ace better than <random>
19:20.55GnarfozI did, it's beyond my abilities, but I am happy it exists, because it is *useful*
19:20.59NeoTronwell one fot he reasons
19:21.17NeoTronand the main reason I plan to reimplement forte warlock once magicmarker is more stable
19:21.21GnarfozNeoTron: addon idea X + "ace" = addon idea X. it isn't magically better and never was
19:21.53Industrialforte.. sounds familiar
19:21.54NeoTronGnarfoz: partially correct, partially invalid
19:22.09Industrialis that a blouderfist alliance guild? hmm *searches*
19:22.16NeoTronGnarfoz: as I already stated, if active ace developers hang around here, they (should) learn and improve
19:22.23NeoTronI know stuff now I had no clue about before
19:22.31NeoTronhelping me make more effective code
19:22.50NeoTronalso the use of a common, and well made, framework will ensure you're not using a crappy core
19:22.53Industrialhttp://boulderfist-eu.warcrafter.net/guilds/Forte
19:22.55Industrialyup
19:22.56NeoTronI know many addons benefit nothing from being "aced'
19:23.04DashkalThat's why I hang out in here.  There's no way Nexus would work out if not for the examples and knowledge I absorb from this group.
19:23.06Gnarfozjust because this community has (or had, as you are suggesting) a higher percentage of above-average skilled coders than other places that doesn't, who were even able to create for themselves something as complex as an addon framework... well, it doesn't mean stuff is magically better or shouldn't be created if not by these coders
19:23.15NeoTronbut when you look at the forte code, or DoTimer, or KTM
19:23.26NeoTronyou see how it's very possible to implement the same stuff 10 times better
19:23.31Gnarfozthen DO it
19:23.36Gnarfozand stop the whining
19:23.36IndustrialGnarfoz: but it being hosted and RELEASED here drags the rest down
19:23.41NeoTronI am not whining
19:23.44IndustrialI am
19:23.45NeoTronand I will
19:23.45GnarfozIndustrial: it doesn't drag ANYTHING down.
19:23.48NeoTronI already stated I will
19:24.06IndustrialGnarfoz: if you don't value what wowace stood for
19:24.07IndustrialI do
19:24.23NeoTronI am just busy on Magic Marker at the moment
19:24.24Gnarfozdid you notice the tense of that part of the sentence?
19:24.31Gnarfozpast tense. what it stood for...
19:24.37[Ammo]NeoTron: I know for a fact Xus is working on a lot better version of fortewarlock :)
19:24.40[Ammo]I talked to him some
19:24.42Industrialyeah, thats the whole problem
19:24.48NeoTron[Ammo]: maybe then I won't have to
19:24.49[Ammo]and he comes on this channel every once in a while
19:24.54Gnarfozhow does PallyPower, if it is as crappy as you say (it's usefulness is > all), impact the quality of, say, Grid?
19:24.59NeoTronobligatory "is it aced?" ;-)
19:25.20NeoTronI just get very sad when a bar with 3 icons that shows cooldowns of abiltieis manages to use more cpu than all my other addons
19:25.33Industrialcriest, even
19:25.33NeoTronwhen out of combat
19:25.38DashkalOMG libc sucks because there are lots of crappy programs that use it!
19:25.49NeoTronAced != good but many ppl at wowace = good developers
19:25.50Industrialits more like
19:25.51GnarfozIndustrial: so, either start time-travelling, change something by doing stuff. whining doesn't get you anywhere (even though WoW official forums might suggest otherwise) :(
19:26.01IndustrialOMG addonx sucks cause it uses libc, and libc sucks
19:26.03DashkalOMG Bloatware-5.7 must be awesome cause it uses libc and that's been maintained for years!
19:26.04Industrial;P
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19:26.05CIA-9WhoLib:
19:26.05CIA-9- Corrected bug in UserInfo() where it was incorrectly determining the type of args.callback. This meant that the callback wasn't being called for cached entries even if WHOLIB_FLAG_ALLWAYS_CALLBACK was set.
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19:26.09CIA-9MoBuffs:
19:26.11CIA-9- converted to use LibBabble-Spell-3.0 as part of localization
19:26.13CIA-9- ignore zone checks when in arena or BG
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19:26.20Dashkaleither or whatever = tf?
19:26.31IndustrialGnarfoz: you should read parts of my wowace posting history - youll see that i have been trying.
19:26.41Gnarfozyeah, posts are not actions
19:26.42Gnarfoz:p
19:26.50Industrialthey are on the internet
19:26.54Industrialcause I dont run this place
19:27.01Gnarfozyou could improve the code?
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19:27.15Industrial.. do you know howmany addons the svn has?
19:27.18NeoTronIndustrial: it seems to me all you do is bitch and insult ;-)
19:27.20Gnarfozstart somewhere? :p
19:27.44NeoTronit would be useful to have "download statistics"
19:27.48Gnarfozthere are
19:27.52NeoTronreally?
19:27.56IndustrialNeoTron: I don't insult people. I hope.
19:28.08NeoTronit might be useful to look for good addons to "review"
19:28.10Gnarfozyeah, I'd settle for bitching :p
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19:28.32NeoTronif popular addons are badly written, improving them does more for the users than improving a crap addon no one uses
19:28.33GnarfozI can obviously agree that there is bad stuff on the SVN, like Alar's steaming heap of crap, but what can I do about it, if I'm not proficient enough as a programmer?
19:28.58NeoTronenforce a non-crap clause? :P
19:29.15Gnarfozwell, that goes back to "I don't run this place"
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19:29.40NeoTronwhat a non-programmer can do, in theory, is benchmark an addon
19:29.42IndustrialYou have to start with the programmers. It's not nice to go and change their stuff without their knowing. and directly saying someones addons (ill make an exception for alar) are all crap isnt very nice :\
19:29.44NeoTronCPU/memory use and stuff
19:29.55NeoTronIndustrial: agreed
19:29.55Gnarfozbitching about the fact doesn't help the situation, either, though, because... it's the internet :\ you'll either get counter-bitching (like this ^^) or you'll be ignored
19:29.57Dashkal"non-crap clause"? oh lord that's drama waiting to happen
19:30.03NeoTronDashkal: yep!
19:30.09kenlyricRock is crap, delete
19:30.12NeoTronhow about documenting best practices for lua in wow?
19:30.13kenlyricace3 is crap, delete
19:30.14Dashkalexactly
19:30.28kenlyricNeoTron: you mean like writing a book?
19:30.28[Ammo]shrug, I'm just stating my opinion
19:30.36Gnarfozas are we ;>
19:30.36NeoTronI bet a lot of the "crap" code is due to not knowing better
19:30.36[Ammo]anyone is entitled to one :)
19:30.40kenlyrica book is a good idea!
19:30.43NeoTronkenlyric: well no, there is a book... ;-)
19:30.59kenlyricpwned
19:31.03NeoTronmore like a "lua cookbook"
19:31.09Industrialtheres pages of best practises on wowwiki
19:31.15Industrialand lua-users.org
19:31.15NeoTronbasically don't do THIS but THAT
19:31.18Industrialand programming in lua
19:31.24Dashkaloh god I love wowwiki so much for those pages...
19:31.31NeoTronthere are?
19:31.33NeoTronwhere?
19:31.37Industrialand soon (?) a book by cladhaire and cogwheel and I forgot the rest
19:31.43NeoTronI know about the book yes
19:31.48Dashkalmmm, I should preorder that thing...
19:31.52NeoTronbut make it a requirement to read, and understand that shit :P
19:31.57Dashkalnah, I'll wait for someone else to review first :p
19:32.01Industrialclad|office: how ABOUT that book? *poke*
19:32.41DashkalHmm, AutoBarConfig not updated in over 90 days.  Is that cause it doesn't need it or is it obsolete?
19:33.13IndustrialThe best way to keep quality is to stay small. When you are a small group you can agree on things. When it gets big its mostly "you suck" "no u".
19:33.20kenlyricit can be either or both
19:33.22Industrialso thats why I moved all my code
19:33.30Industrial(years ago, now)
19:33.35pastamancerno u
19:33.37kenlyricalso, I heard you sucked
19:33.44NeoTronIndustrial: or have a leadership that tells ppl they suck? :)
19:33.59IndustrialNeoTron: yeah I pushed for that but wont happen :p
19:34.11Industrialkenlyric: dont make me open a can of yourmom jokes
19:34.21Industrial(actually, ill google)
19:34.29EvilJohn"Boingo boingo whoopsy knickers."
19:35.22Gnarfoz<Dashkal> Hmm, AutoBarConfig not updated in over 90 days.  Is that cause it doesn't need it or is it obsolete? <-- integrated into AutoBar by now, it's obsolete
19:35.41Industrialdelete it from the svn right now
19:35.45Industrialprofit!
19:35.49NeoTronI found a fun "feature" in MagicMarker  btw - when I run arenas it will learn enemy pets as mobs
19:35.52NeoTronoops
19:36.24Industrialheh guess playername+petname is q unique key :p
19:36.31Industrials/q /a /
19:36.43Dashkaloops
19:36.56NeoTronit failed my exclusion test because I hadn't considered the possibility
19:37.01GnarfozIndustrial: why destroy stuff? it could simply be moved to another location, like WAU e.g. already does by displaying all out-of-date addons separately
19:37.21kergothyou arent destroying it
19:37.23NeoTronGnarfoz: if it's absolutely redundant / out of date why keep it?
19:37.25kergothsvn has history, thats why it exists
19:37.28NeoTronit's still there in the repository
19:37.32kergothremove it, if someone wants it, they can resurrect it
19:37.34Gnarfozhm
19:37.39Gnarfozright
19:37.40Gnarfoz^^
19:38.06kenlyricoh god, I need someone on EU servers to destroy this guy.
19:38.10NeoTronjust like ppl replacing a line with another line in a piece of code, but keeping the old line commented out
19:38.24Gnarfozkenlyric: whom? ^^
19:38.32kenlyrichttp://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3190829630&sid=1&pageNo=1
19:39.00sbwhy?
19:39.16kenlyriche ripped that site off of armorylite.com
19:39.23sboh
19:39.28kenlyricincluding the greasemonkey script :)
19:39.40NeoTronhe stole the code from it?
19:39.47NeoTronsure looks different
19:39.58NeoTronin fact it looks horrible
19:40.08NeoTronblack text on a dark background is usuall ynot a good idea
19:40.18kebinusanripped off the site but couldnt be bothered to copy the CSS?
19:40.27Gnarfozhaha I could even flame him ingame, that's my old realm from pre-BC times ^^
19:40.59NeoTronkebinusan: a lot of ppl seem to like dark text on dark background
19:41.11kebinusancant stand it, not enough contrast
19:41.12NeoTronback in the good old days, people always used red on black for some godforsaken reason
19:41.20kebinusanyellow on black imo
19:41.25kebinusanor a nice light blue
19:41.36NeoTronI'm color blind and I have a sigh deficit so yeah I can't see shit
19:42.44dodgahmpf, Grid shows everyone OOR :o
19:43.10Gnarfozcheck which range it checks :)
19:43.11[Ammo]then set up a proper spell for the range detection in it?
19:43.59pastamancerdouble-check your status settings, the default alpha values aren't as transparent as before
19:44.11genetikkenlyric: someone from here run armorylite.com or something?
19:44.12pastamancerand see what other statuses you have on the alpha indicator
19:44.26kenlyricgenetik: my old guild leader
19:44.33genetikcool
19:44.35pastamancerthe range check statuses default to relatively low priorities, so they're likely to be overwritten by dead
19:45.20kenlyricdoes anyone know if there is a way to show current rage/mana/energy and health in the grid frame? As an actual number?
19:45.37Industrialkenlyric: I like warcrafter.net better
19:45.47Industrial(then that site you linked)
19:45.47pastamanceryou'd have to create a status module that provides that data as text
19:46.09Industrialeg http://boulderfist-eu.warcrafter.net/Oathbreaker
19:46.25pastamancerdodga: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2525.msg189125#msg189125
19:47.49kenlyrichmmm... I might have to do that... it shouldn't be too hard to rip off the health deficit code, right?
19:48.01pastamancersuper easy
19:48.35kenlyriconly thing keeping me from using it as my primary unit frame is not knowing exactly how much rage/energy and health I have.
19:48.39kenlyricmana's less critical
19:48.52pastamancerstatus modules in general are really easy to write
19:49.08pastamancerI use it with the blizzard unit frames
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19:50.32FtH|Daemonahmmm this is impressive... i thought RoS with high latency was hard... until i got ghosted at teron and had no pet bar till the constructs were in the zerg ... wtf
19:52.40kenlyricman, I just spent an hour trying to figure out why grid side indicators weren't showing up as icons. there are apparently two side indicator mods, one with icons and one without.
19:52.46nevcairiellol FtH|Daemona
19:52.57FtH|Daemonanot lol :(
19:53.09pastamancerwhat do you need so many inidcators for?
19:53.11FtH|Daemonawe usually just walk over teron ... having to do a 3rd pull now
19:53.34kebinusanFtH|Daemona: yeah I hate that, lag and other crap
19:53.54kebinusanwe had a paladin get constructs in the raid because he got the debuff while he had divine shield up
19:54.02kenlyricpastamancer: I typically track buffs with those
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19:54.25dodgapastamancer: did that, did not help
19:54.26kenlyricI just colored them to match the icons, so, same result.
19:54.34pastamancerkenlyric: ah, grid was never really intended to track buffs
19:54.50kenlyricgrid was probably never really intended to do a lot of things :)
19:55.04NeoTronFtH|Daemona: reminds me of the day I discovered that Bartender 3 added the feature replacing the main toolbar with the possess bar
19:55.22NeoTronby teh time I realized wtf was going on and which keys to press the constructs were pretty much in the raid
19:55.22nevcairielNeoTron: it still gave you the petbar =P
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19:55.37NeoTronnevcairiel: I don't use a petbar, I used macros on my main toolbar
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19:55.48dodgaalso disabling all range statuses does not make the opactiy change to 100%...
19:56.10NeoTronso it was on the same toolbar but in the wrong place
19:56.23pastamancerdodga: what class is your character?
19:56.25NeoTronI don't get why blizzard put the abilities at such an odd location
19:56.29NeoTronwhat's wrong with 1-4? :P
19:56.47nevcairielmaybe the mob has some macros there that you dont see? :D
19:57.29NeoTronperhaps
19:57.31NeoTronbut still :P
19:57.39dodgapastamancer: Priest
19:57.42NeoTronit's annoying. anyhow once I know abotu it it' fine
19:57.51NeoTronjust don't have a lot of time figuring out the key to press
19:58.10pastamancerdodga: and everything is showing as OOR including yourself?
19:58.13NeoTrona fun thing last night - I was busy pre-archimonde and forgot to put the tears on my toolbar
19:58.30kenlyrici like how the emergency button on shartuul is 7
19:58.34dodgapastamancer: Yes, except a Pally that was in range when I joined the raid
19:58.43dodgabut I disabled and then enabled the 40 yard check
19:58.56dodgachanged the opactiy to 100% and now everything is in range, even though they are not :D
19:59.10pastamancerdodga: what does this tell you: /print GridRange:GetUnitRange("player")
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19:59.32dodgapastamancer: 10
19:59.37kebinusanNeoTron: make everyone jump off the cliff before we head down to archimonde
19:59.46kebinusanpartially for that reason
20:00.30pastamancerdodga: try this: /run GridStatusRange:EnableRange(40)
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20:02.37NeoTronkebinusan: I wouldn't expect me to forget
20:02.47NeoTronkebinusan: i.e I typically dont and I'm the raid leader
20:02.54NeoTronyet I did forget for the first time
20:03.14NeoTronone previous time I had it on the toolbar but was distracted muckign with the groups for heroism and was a second late
20:03.18kebinusanhehe karma is a bitch I raid lead too nothing more humbling than dying after yelling at people for dying the same way
20:04.08dodgapastamancer: Hm did not help. I have Death warning (prio 50), Offline warning (prio 60) and >40 yards (prio 32) on frame alpha if that helps
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20:04.50pastamancerdodga: how about /run GridStatusRange:UpdateFrequency()
20:05.19NeoTronkebinusan: of course I've only ever died twice on archimonde in who knows how many tries
20:05.26NeoTronwell died when it was my fault
20:06.37pastamancerdodga: if that doesn't work, I'll need you to /print GridStatus:GetCachedStatus("player", "alert_range_40")
20:06.54pastamancerassuming that you are still showing as out of range to yourself
20:07.23dodgapastamancer: Currently everybody is in range and walking OOR doesn't change the opacity
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20:08.22pastamanceroh, everyone is in-range
20:08.39pastamancer?
20:08.55pastamancerI thought everyone was showing as OOR?
20:10.29kenlyrichmmm... it just looks like unitHealth should show my unit health
20:11.59dodgapastamancer: After disable, change opacity, enable everybody is nonstop in range
20:12.15dodgathat getcachedstatus returned nil
20:12.29dodgaoh
20:12.36dodgano they are correctly oor
20:12.45dodgai think that enablerange(40) did the trick
20:12.58kenlyricGrid->Status->Health->Unit health
20:13.04kenlyricwouldn't you think that displays unit health?
20:13.07pastamanceryeah, I noticed that sometimes the range status module doesn't initialize the range list
20:13.29CIA-903ulic * r64388 10LittleWigs/MagistersTerrace/Kael'thasSunstrider.lua: LittleWigs: MT\Kael - Added Flame Strike
20:13.29pastamancerkenlyric: it does, that's what gets used by the healthbar
20:14.07pastamancerI still haven't been able to reliably reproduce the problem with the range status though
20:14.37dodgapastamancer: I also respecced when I was in the range from shadow to heal if that helps
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20:16.39kenlyricpastamancer: so it's there... shouldn't I be able to pu it in a text frame too?
20:17.10pastamancerkenlyric: yeah, it should be providing text in addition to a range value
20:17.54pastamanceroh wait... it's not
20:18.10pastamanceronly the deficit provides text
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20:18.34erzyMym grid doesn't show range any more, any tips?
20:18.37kenlyricsettings.icon
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20:19.03pastamancererzya: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2525.msg189125#msg189125
20:19.58pastamancerkenlyric: yup, every status *can* provide an icon, it just doesn't make sense for some of them
20:20.08playfulkittenanyone know what happened to the changelog in fisheye?
20:20.16Zhinjiook, so I'm considering switching to a windows irc client. any thoughts?
20:20.20kenlyricyeah, that was a mistake :)
20:20.27ZhinjioI've been using my linux machine's shell up to now.
20:20.32NeoTronso is the 5-man kael'thas anything like the 25-man?
20:20.40Zhinjioand thats been working fine, but I'm missing a few things I get in more advanced clients
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20:20.59erzypastamancer: thanks
20:21.01kenlyricah
20:21.10kenlyricthat's the "nil" it sends, isn't it
20:22.22pastamanceryeah
20:22.24kenlyricso you could change nil to cur and it would do what I want :)
20:22.32pastamancertostring(cur)
20:22.43ZhinjioI wonder how pidgin's irc looks.
20:22.46erzypastamancer: Only works for 100 yds
20:23.07pastamancererzy: what class, and what ranges are available in your menu?
20:23.14erzypaladin
20:23.24erzy10-30-40-100
20:23.42pastamancerchange the color of the 40yd range to make it more transparent, alpha is the slider on the right in the color picker
20:24.36NeoTronso anyone find it ironic that the BT warlock trinket is only useful (well _potentially_ but not really) for affliction warlocks?
20:24.50NeoTronwhile in reality there are pretty much no affliction warlocks raidin BT..
20:25.05Diaoashtongue one?
20:25.30dre^roughly as ironic as the shaman trinket providing a 10% chance of mana regen when casting lesser healing wave
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20:25.56Diaoor the warrior one which is just flat out terrible
20:26.00dre^(hint: LHW's coefficient is dunky)
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20:26.14genetikyeah, the warrior one is a joke
20:26.52Diaowe're getting payback for having the best trinket pre-bc with LGG :(
20:27.06EvilJohnheh
20:27.08kebinusanneotron its not really useful for affliction locks either because of the duration of the buff
20:27.14dre^kind of a bummer. one would hope they could do something cool for the people how make it to the 'end game' or whatever.
20:27.14dre^s/how/who/
20:27.14genetikheh.. i still use styleens
20:27.17dre^I suppose the trash rings are good!
20:27.24kebinusanpretty much all the bt trinkets are ass
20:27.40KemayoZhinjio: What do you miss?
20:28.32erzypastamancer: White and alpha set to 0% doesn't work
20:29.12pastamancererzy: the status is enabled and is assigned to the frame alpha indicator?
20:30.07erzythink I got something now
20:30.37ZhinjioKemayo: um. I like seeing who is present in a separate window where I can select someone and see their idle info, that way I can filter out all the -!- messages completely. um... better color/nick/friends handling.
20:31.07ZhinjioI don't know. I guess I'm not a purist when it comes to using shell type access. I like some of the ... amenities that a windowed environment affords.
20:32.12Zhinjioback shortly. trying out pidgin.
20:32.25Dashkallemme know if it stopped trying to control how you IM
20:32.32CIA-903kemayo * r64389 10LibQuixote-2.0/: LibQuixote-2.0: Copy to trunk. API probably won't *actually* be final for a few days yet, but it's out of major flux.
20:33.00DashkalI stopped using pidgin when the developers clearly stated that the program should direct the user instead of vice versia.
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20:33.19pastamancererzy: what did you do that fixed it?
20:33.21kenlyricow my head
20:33.29erzy2 sec archi
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20:35.12ZhinjioAlrighty then.
20:35.24Zhinjiohrmph. Need to do some serious color editing.
20:35.29kenlyricmanabar seems to return the right information but then only use it in its bar.
20:35.29KemayoZhinjio: Console-wise, it's possible to warp irssi into havign a userlist.  Or weechat has one automatically.
20:35.46Zhinjioyeah, I was using irssi
20:35.49Zhinjiowhich I do like.
20:36.24erzynope doesn't work pastamancer
20:36.42erzythe 20 yard one works though
20:37.00KemayoI tend to feel that even if irssi is lacking in an area, it's at least theoretically possible that I could go learn enough perl to write a plugin that would fix it.  (Generally I don't, though.)
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20:37.18erzyand 100 aswell
20:37.24KemayoWell, I did it once.  But it was a pain.
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20:37.32Zhinjioagreed. its more a matter of what I want to spend my time on.
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20:38.31jag111Anyone here using the latest TinyTip not able to change the scale?
20:38.42NeoTronomg. a MS warrior in almost full T6 gear doing 569 DPS on kaz'rogal
20:39.42Gnarfozwell... yeah, not much to say besides WTF is he doing? :p
20:40.17chiperneo: you sure that's not 1569?
20:40.22NeoTronyes
20:40.28chiperthat sounds really low
20:40.34pastamancererzy: hmm, I wonder what spell it's trying to use for the 40yd check... it works fine on my paladin
20:40.50NeoTronit's pathetically low
20:41.00NeoTronI don't think he had WF which is pretty OP for 2h but still
20:41.26NeoTronhttp://wowwebstats.com/4pzr1ycg6wcka?a=23&s=4537-4752
20:42.19NeoTronI don't know much about warriors at all
20:42.25CIA-903kemayo * r64390 10StatBlock_Quests/ (. StatBlock_Quests.toc addon.lua loc/ loc/enUS.lua): StatBlock_Quests: Hell, why not?
20:43.08NeoTronI wonder if he was using his tank gear or something
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20:43.36Zhinjiohrmph. Pidgin is still a bit early in the development, interface customization wise.
20:43.48NeoTronwaht is Pidgin?
20:43.51genetikgaim
20:43.57Zhinjioopen source IM client
20:44.06CIA-903kemayo * r64391 10/trunk/ (StatBlock_Quests/ StatBlocks_Quests/): StatBlocks_Quests: Because it should have been "StatBlocks", that's why not.
20:44.07Zhinjiogaim makes me crankyu
20:44.18NeoTronah that one
20:44.28NeoTronI was thinking wow addon concex
20:44.33NeoTrons/concex/context/
20:44.44chiperI'll use gaim only under force
20:46.03NeoTronI use centericq, patched not to crash
20:46.14NeoTronit sucks in many ways but it "works" sufficiently in screen
20:46.15chiperpeople still use icq?
20:46.31GeloIQ is outdated
20:46.34Gelo*ICQ
20:47.01GeloIRC is much better ;)
20:47.11Gelonever gets old
20:47.31NeoTronchiper: spammers use it a lot
20:47.41NeoTronbut centericq is actually a multi-format client
20:47.51NeoTroneven has irc
20:48.45erzypastamancer: worked when i reloaded UI
20:48.55erzythanks for the help
20:49.03CIA-903kemayo * r64392 10StatBlocks_Quests/ (. StatBlock_Quests.toc StatBlocks_Quests.toc): StatBlocks_Quests: Externals, and in toc.
20:49.49Dashkalhmm, playing with ZOMGBuffs... ZOMGSelfBuffs doesn't appear to function
20:50.05KemayoI actually sort of like finch -- the curses version of pidgin.
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20:50.54ZhinjioHrmph.
20:51.07Zhinjiopidgin is not playing nice.
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20:51.52KemayoNeoTron: Have you tried CenterIM?
20:52.01Zhinjiotest.
20:52.05NeoTronKemayo: nope
20:52.34CIA-903pastamancer * r64393 10Grid/GridStatusRange.lua: Grid: Hopefully fix intermittent problem with ranges to check not being initialized.
20:52.45kenlyricZhinjio: pidgin IRC is craptastic
20:52.48pastamancer^^ test please!
20:53.01pastamancererzy, dodga
20:53.04KemayoNeoTron: It claims to be an updated fork or CenterICQ, so I was curious.
20:53.05ZhinjioI"m finding that right now.
20:53.08Zhinjio*sigh*
20:53.27Zhinjiohmm, I did use a window irssi awhile back. I wonder what that looks like these days
20:53.49kenlyrici just use chatzilla
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20:54.05NeoTronKemayo: nice didn't know
20:54.10NeoTronI'm installing it now
20:55.36DashkalSweet, I likes it
20:56.49dodgapastamancer: uhm, will try asap :o
20:57.10pastamancerdodga: maybe after your raid is over :p
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20:58.05Zhinjioheh
20:58.11Zhinjiowinirssi just runs in a putty window.
20:58.20ZhinjioI might as well still be using my shell account.
20:58.20Zhinjioheh
20:58.39pastamancerI'd go crazy without irssi+screen
20:59.03Zhinjioyeah, screen is pretty much essential.
20:59.36Fisker-ARSOUHAFSccÆSKAF
20:59.54Zhinjiowell, looks like I'll just tune my settings in my shell account to look nicer.
20:59.57Zhinjiomeh
21:00.10DashkalThe only thing I think I might be missing is the ability to only thorns tanks easily
21:00.33cncfanaticswhats a decent castbar addon ?
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21:00.57kenlyricwhat's a good name for showing mana? GridStatusManaText?
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21:01.04kenlyriccncfanatics: quartz?
21:01.07genetikcncfanatics: i like quartz
21:01.12cncfanaticsty kenlyric, I forgot the name :p
21:01.19kergothscreen isnt really a necessity for irc if you use an irc proxy.. and that way your client is local, so theres no latency when typing, only after sending it
21:01.27kenlyricnow, tell me which spell to use when I'm not mining or herbalism :)
21:01.37pastamancerkenlyric: what's the generic term blizzard uses for all three energy types?
21:01.43dodgapastamancer: good idea :>
21:01.47cncfanaticskenlyric: any spell that has no cooldown and can't be locked down by counterspell
21:01.53cncfanaticspastamancer: power
21:02.24pastamancerkenlyric: GridStatusPower?
21:02.31kenlyricvery good idea
21:02.55kenlyricand then I can just rip off half the ManaBar code
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21:02.58pastamancerand make sure that you're sending the value as a text and a range
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21:03.46cncfanaticsany casting bar that actualy shows autoshot & stuff ?
21:04.02genetikquartz
21:04.04kenlyricquartz
21:04.19cncfanaticsautoshot cast time
21:04.21cncfanaticsnot cooldown time :(
21:04.39kenlyricthere's an autoshot mod
21:04.47kenlyricit's under hunter mods... might show that
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21:07.24m4rku5hey guys, anyone working on reading wdb/dbc files or know of any tool other then that dbc2csv thing ? ;P
21:08.08pastamancerthe wdb format is pretty simple
21:08.23m4rku5problem is finding out what all those fields mean
21:08.29pastamancerthat's the catch
21:08.39m4rku5and the info google came out with is kinda - old n buggy ;P
21:11.17NeoTronFisker-: irssi, centerim (seems to work), emacs in screen => win
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21:13.00Zhinjiocan irssi make a split window to the right?
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21:13.37MentalPowerm4rku5: have you tried the two WoW reverse-engineer sites?
21:14.02m4rku5MentalPower, ive been reading the sourcepeek wiki
21:14.14MentalPowerhttp://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/DBC
21:14.18MentalPowerthats the other one
21:14.23Zhinjioalright, time to go. peace, y'all.
21:16.06MentalPowerm4rku5: http://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Programs_DBC
21:16.22NeoTronZhinjio: it can do it horizontally. not sure about side by side
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21:17.45m4rku5MentalPower, ok the tool i made half a year ago is still better then those
21:17.50m4rku5it has some kind of auto detection for strings already ;P
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21:18.17m4rku5but thats still far from what i need (ie auto replacing those $d in the strings)
21:18.44MentalPowererr... which DBC are you messing with?
21:18.53m4rku5Spell.dbc
21:19.10m4rku5i want to build up open souce tools so one can create his own itemdb
21:19.13m4rku5that is my goal
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21:19.55m4rku5ive ported my old dbc code from c++ to java and im working on the string detection (for the analyze mode)
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21:21.53[sw]Dodgehi all ^.^
21:21.57[sw]DodgeAntiarc: ping
21:23.02[sw]Dodgeno one alive? :O
21:23.29DashkalSorry, the lock never gave me that SS
21:23.40[sw]Dodgehehe
21:23.49Funkeh`Kemayo, #6 string expected got no value to setformatted text
21:24.53KemayoFunkeh`: I should probably have mentioned the whole "utterly drycoded" thing in the commit message. >_>
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21:26.00[sw]Dodgewell pm'd antiarc the report, i hope i'll get my linux box back in the next days to stay here again :)
21:26.06[sw]Dodgecya all :(
21:28.03NeoTronoh wtf man. the healing cloak of illidan is the 2nd best warlock cloak (pre 2.4 at least)
21:28.08NeoTronand best cloak if you don't need the spell hit
21:28.35Funkeh`Kemayo, heh, does it every time something with a quest changes, bgain/lost etc
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21:29.52jag111Anyone here using the latest TinyTip not able to change the scale?
21:30.13NeoTronno know better cloak in sunwell so far
21:30.15NeoTrongesh
21:30.26NeoTronguess I should have gotten it for 2 DKP at some point :P
21:31.06CIA-903kemayo * r64394 10StatBlocks_Quests/addon.lua: StatBlocks_Quests: Oh, right, the fifth formattext value.
21:31.09KemayoFunkeh`: Odds are good that will fix it.
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21:35.28Antiarchttp://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/03/12/WomanInBathroom_A0615.html
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21:36.39NeoTronAntiarc: that is bizarre
21:37.35Dashkalsix billion people...  Can't I'm surprised...
21:38.13NeoTron["It really doesn't surprise me," Ellis said of the bathroom incident. ]
21:38.37NeoTronI'm sorry but no matter how many billion people, I'd be surprised that someone had grown stuck to their bathroom
21:39.16GrumNeoTron: you are afflicition? Oo
21:39.27NeoTronnot so much
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21:39.53NeoTronand with not so much I mean I have no points in affliction :P
21:39.55NeoTronwhy?
21:40.05CIA-903zeksie * r64395 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs.lua: ZOMGBuffs: Fixed reagents nil error when at vendor
21:40.45Grumhmmm
21:40.51Grumis it best because of the haste?
21:40.55NeoTronyah
21:41.04NeoTronpeople tend to undervalue haste
21:41.18Grumwell .. Cloak of the Illidari Council is quite good as well
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21:41.25NeoTronpartially because of increased mana cost but a shadow priest helps alleviate that a lot and in 2.4 you get the GCD boost too
21:41.29NeoTroni's very close
21:41.45Grum32haste+25dmg vs 25crit and 42dmg
21:41.54Grumhahaha
21:41.58NeoTronillidari council I list as 61.65, haste as 64.18
21:42.14Grumshadowpriests with locks? kek!
21:42.19NeoTronof course
21:42.23Grumnever :P
21:42.27NeoTronthe DPS class that needs SP's the most
21:42.34Grummmm why?
21:42.39Grumdont say because of manaregen :)
21:42.40NeoTronwe can't DPS for a minute without having to stop dpsing
21:42.51NeoTronobviously that is the reason
21:43.00NeoTronare you under the opinion that life tap is "free mana"?
21:43.13Grumits mana for dps
21:43.21NeoTronyes
21:43.40NeoTronwe can go forever but not life tapping is a significant boost to DPS
21:43.40nevcairielbut wastes dps too
21:43.41Grumbut atm locks are highest dps casterwise even without shadowpriests
21:44.10kebinusanAs an alchemist Im kinda liking the new sorcerers stone in 2.4
21:44.10NeoTronshadow priest + lock ~= T6 set bonus
21:44.20kebinusan40% more mana from pots and 60some static damage
21:44.20NeoTron5-6% more DPS from a shadow priest
21:44.51NeoTronnevcairiel: how so exactly?
21:44.53Grumi am just curious, how much dps do you gain if you have a shadowpriest?
21:45.04NeoTronI just said - about 5-6%
21:45.18Grumooh misread that
21:45.26Grumbut 5-6% is not so massive
21:45.32Grumcompared with mages which can go oom
21:45.39NeoTronexcept mages in reality do not go OOM
21:45.49Grummm
21:45.49NeoTronas mages actually are able to regen mana
21:45.52CIA-903antiarc 07Threat-2.0 * r64396 10Threat-2.0/ThreatClassModuleCore.lua: Threat-2.0: Fix for the pet bug.
21:46.05chiperI go oom all the time, whatchu talking about?
21:46.10NeoTronbut it's a moot point. our mages typically have a SP too
21:46.20Grumthen the healers
21:46.23NeoTronchiper: what gear/raid level?
21:46.27Grumnow i agree *that* might change in 2.4
21:46.35sacarascchiper: what about your mana gems? your potions? your evocations?
21:46.36NeoTronthey get a SP on illidari council
21:46.39Grumi'll have ~400mp5 fully buffed while casting O.o
21:46.48kebinusanhealers really wont need a SP in 2.4
21:46.54NeoTrontypically our healers do not need, nor get, a SP
21:47.11Grumkebinusan: a shadowpriest is ~200-250mp5?
21:47.25NeoTronin a recent winterchill kill I used 1 life tap, 2 mana pots
21:47.33chiperneo: ZA level, mostely.  no upgrades for me outside of 25mans
21:47.45GrumNeoTron: what dps?
21:47.47NeoTroncompared to 10 life tap from a fellow lock
21:47.50Grum2100-2300?
21:47.51chiperI have about 14000 mana
21:47.54NeoTronpretty crap, 1950 or so
21:47.58NeoTronI don't have 4xt6
21:48.02NeoTronthe top lock did about 2330 DPS
21:48.14NeoTronbut he has 4xt6 and also used CoD instead of CoS etc
21:48.15cncfanaticswtf ?
21:48.20chipersacarasc: it's usually when all those are on cooldown
21:48.21cncfanaticshow does a tank even beat that threat ?
21:48.27Grumhaha
21:48.31Grumgood tanking :)
21:48.33NeoTronwe use a druid tank
21:48.34Grumand well timed shatters
21:48.36kebinusansoulshatter early and often
21:48.51cncfanaticsa tank can't do 2000 TPS
21:48.53Grumbest to shatter at the last possible moment tbh
21:48.54NeoTronkebinusan: more like soul shatter as late as you possibly can
21:48.58Grumits not 2000 tps
21:49.02AntiarcTanks can do 2000 TPS
21:49.08AntiarcThey just can't do it for very long :V
21:49.15cncfanaticsAntiarc: in unlimited rage / mana situations, yea
21:49.19NeoTron"only" 1600 tps but it also includes soul shatter
21:49.23cncfanaticsbut seriously, when does that happen ?
21:49.23NeoTronwhich IS a 50% reduction
21:49.24kebinusanwell, if its a long fight you can get two in if you time it right
21:49.26Grumthe later you SS the more you loose
21:49.45Grumyeah but Rage is a ~3min fight
21:49.56NeoTronkebinusan: yeah but most fights aren't long
21:50.04Grumlets see
21:50.11cncfanaticsrage winterchill ?
21:50.17NeoTronhttp://wowwebstats.com/jfv5akfdszsx1?s=1802-1995
21:50.22Arrowmasterour MT can top 2000 TPS sustained depending on who he puts in his group
21:50.39Grumarchi is ~10m, illidan is ~13, council is 14-15
21:50.51GrumBB is 5-7 orso?
21:51.05NivFreakArrowmaster: I still want to see WWS for him
21:51.15Arrowmasteri cant find that gorefiend fight
21:51.21NeoTronso sustained DPS the top lock only did 2018 (dmg/fight duration)
21:51.26Arrowmasterwe had some stupid wipes that night and i dont know which one was it
21:51.37NivFreakArrowmaster: I've heard you asser that 3 times now, but I've never seen another tank do it
21:51.40NivFreaknot even close
21:51.46cncfanaticsArrowmaster: unlimited rage + windfury ?
21:52.06Arrowmasterwell gorefiend and he stole the enchance shaman from the rogue group
21:52.08NeoTronGrum: 13m illidan kill? damn. :P
21:52.11NivFreakI'd be tempted to pull down EJ's TPS spreadsheet, max it out
21:52.14NeoTronbut illidan has threat wipes all the time
21:52.14NivFreakand see if it's even 2K
21:52.18Arrowmastersince one of the pallys was afk and nobody had salv
21:52.27GrumNeoTron: i think that was the fastest
21:52.35Grumbut normally 14 orso
21:52.38Grumnot all to sure
21:52.42NeoTronwe're definitely not there yet
21:52.48NeoTronbut do council in <10m
21:52.57Grumwe bore council to death
21:53.00NeoTronwe still do no DPs during demon phase at all
21:53.01Grumtake 9 healers
21:53.08NeoTroncouncil is boring
21:53.08Grumand just ease em down
21:53.15NeoTronI mean ppl wipe there because they fall asleep
21:53.30Grumbut that is mostly because we do bb+shahraz+council with 9 healers
21:53.37Grumand the rest with 7
21:53.41Grumor 6 O.o
21:53.47GrumNaj with 6 is scary
21:54.07cncfanaticsWTB kael & vashj dead
21:54.08NeoTronI'm just glad we cleared to akaman on night one
21:54.13NeoTronmakes night 2 so much more pleasant
21:54.13cncfanatics3/4 TK & 5/6 SSC sucks
21:54.20GrumNeoTron: from what to where?
21:54.24Grumcncfanatics: get kael first
21:54.29NeoTronhyjal clear + 3/9 BT
21:54.33CIA-903kurax * r64397 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/ (sets.cn.lua sets.tw.lua):
21:54.33CIA-9AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:
21:54.33CIA-9- zhCN & zhTW update
21:54.40Grumyeah we do it the other way around usually
21:54.41NeoTronwe wiped once on archimonde
21:54.54GrumBT1-5, MH1-X (usually 1-3)
21:55.00NeoTronraid was 3m45m or so
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21:55.15NeoTronwe do MH first because it's faster to go from MH => BT than the other way
21:55.18NeoTronteleport and all
21:55.29Grumand then BT6-9 (and at 9, 1 or 2 healers switch for dps)
21:55.38Grumthen we have a 10m break (and time to get to MH) and clear that
21:55.51Grumwe use the traveltime for breaks
21:56.13Grumtoday we did a 1h40m MH clear .. was nice :)
21:56.19Grumand we went for Maggie! =D
21:56.20Grumkek
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21:56.37Grumi remember that one as a 12-13 minute fight :D
21:56.40james\is there a channel for grid ?
21:56.44Grumno
21:56.53james\oh
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21:57.11james\getting an error in grid
21:57.29Grumupdate
21:57.44pastamancerpaste it on http://ace.pastey.net/ and give me the url of your paste
21:57.45Grumand make sure its not one of the modules you added
21:59.15Industrialwhy dont you start with what the error is
21:59.18Industrialupdating is not a fix
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21:59.54Grumnot having the latest version makes it hard to pinpoin what is wrong
22:00.28james\I have the latest version
22:00.30Industrialyes, but you bring it as if that would make the problem go away
22:00.35p3limanyone know what tooltip addon Tiany is using in his latest UI?
22:00.42p3limhttp://5.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/1438/1438284decd1eeff7a891f1271e24e71ae56651.jpg
22:00.51GrumIndustrial: pastamancer already said the next line i was going to type :)
22:01.04Grum'and then paste the error on pastey if it still persists' :)
22:01.28Industrialp3lim: eep @ fonts >_> so unreadable
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22:01.43Arrowmasterp3lim: probably cowtip, although it sorta looks like tinytip but not
22:01.58NeoTronGrum: we've done a 2 hr clear
22:02.03Arrowmasterand yeah those fonts are so bad
22:02.09Arrowmasterjust like most fonts people use
22:02.16GeloGTipTac?
22:02.17p3limIndustrial: what fonts? in the UI?
22:02.17NeoTronlast week was pathetic and it took us almost the full 4 hrs
22:02.19GrumNeoTron: we oneshotted all tonight .. it went really fast somehow
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22:02.25NeoTronhealing was just completely broken
22:02.32NeoTronwe had the one wipe on archimonde
22:02.34Grumwe usually mess up on archi once or twice
22:02.42NeoTronstill expect to clear BT today
22:02.46Industrialp3lim: yes
22:02.46Grumwe nearly fucked up .. 2 died .. brrr
22:03.04Grumand the whole melegroup ended up feared in a doomfire
22:03.14Grumand was at ~10% hp when the healers got out of the fear :D
22:03.25NeoTronwipes from 1-2 deaths usually depends on if the soul charge is used during/right before a fear
22:03.28p3limnot mine, i cant stand pixel fonts :p using Bitstead Vera Serif myself
22:03.39p3limBitstream*
22:04.26p3limhad fun in kara an hour ago, killed Curator duing the first evo :p usually we use 3 evo's so was sick, vt went like mad
22:04.53james\getting following error in grid - http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=failgb0.jpg
22:05.07james\oh actually
22:05.12james\it's a different one now
22:06.01Arrowmasterthats not a grid error
22:06.11GuardixBanzai error
22:07.06james\nah it was a different one
22:07.11pastamanceralso, that file in banzai hasn't been changed in over a month
22:07.32james\I just changed Grid to a version that was 2 weeks old
22:07.37james\to see if it fixed it
22:07.42james\but I'll change it back
22:07.44james\sec
22:08.01james\was something about line 97 in statusrange.lua
22:08.51Grumjames\: you need to get BugSack orso so you can copy/paste the error, or Swatter
22:09.22CIA-903kemayo * r64398 10StatBlocks_Quests/addon.lua: StatBlocks_Quests: Run the update less -- on quest gain/loss/complete, not the general update.
22:09.25StanzillaKaelten: fish restart pls
22:09.30CIA-903pastamancer * r64399 10Grid/GridStatusRange.lua: Grid: forgot to initialize check_ranges, oops!
22:09.35Kaeltenbah
22:09.37pastamancerthat'll do it
22:10.09james\http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=refaildd7.jpg
22:10.20james\will that do for now ?
22:10.28Arrowmasterp3lim: fail, your suppost to kill curator before he evocs
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22:10.38p3lim:p
22:10.46pastamancerjames\: fixed it, grab it when files updates
22:10.51Diaowtf
22:10.53Diaobefore evoc
22:10.54Diaois that even possible
22:10.59Arrowmasteryes
22:11.01james\Pastamancer, you wrote grid ?
22:11.02Arrowmasterweve done it
22:11.06Diaoo_O
22:11.10pastamancerjames\: most of it
22:11.18james\woah, /bow
22:11.40JoshBorkedon't give him credit
22:11.42CIA-903ammo 072.4 * r64400 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: cleanup
22:11.44JoshBorkehe don't deserve it ;-P
22:11.44james\took me 3 years to switch, took 2 days of raids to set it up - but was worth it
22:12.13pastamancerwhat finally convinced you to switch?
22:12.50[Ammo]I heard you gave sexual favors to all switchers pasta
22:12.56Ellipsis4srsly?
22:13.17pastamanceronly noodly favors here
22:13.39james\TBH it kind of intimidated me - SRaidFrames/CTRaid offer a lot out of the box
22:13.48james\or within 3 mins of setup
22:13.52pastamancererr, his noodle even
22:14.02Elsiamain reason for grid's coolness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts'_law
22:14.38Grumup
22:14.39pastamancerand yet so many people use it in non-square setups :/
22:14.51Grumi stretch the squares to fit more info
22:15.14Grumthe only thing i truly hate is the way it handles the group buildup
22:15.25Grumyou just cant get it right with the default stuff :P
22:15.25james\I use it in non-square setups, 79 or so width - tend to use healthbar colors for stuff like debuffs - so if someone gets a bigass debuff, their healthbar goes red
22:15.30ElsiaI don't use it square, but fitt's law still holds :D
22:15.35Grumyup
22:15.38james\are you ever going to add group numbers to it btw?
22:15.50Grumjames\: why? you cant count to 5? ;D
22:15.55pastamancernope, but peragor wrote a status module that adds them
22:16.21james\for AV, I like 2 rows of 20, guess
22:16.26Grumi love the pet support but frankly, i need a 'raid+pets' option
22:16.30Grumnot just 25m+pets
22:17.07Grumbasicly fill out the groups and stack the pets on top of it
22:17.14james\other thing that would be quite nice would be having groups 1+2+3 left of my char, 4+5 right of my char - without a frame over them, like 2 separate boxes
22:17.18Grumprolly need to make an addon for it that does it =D
22:17.43Grumkek that completely defeats the purpose of having grid ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts'_law )
22:18.01p3limwhat was the command for the fps test on taxi?
22:18.58Elsiathe point of grid is really to minimize distance for mouse travel between healing targets, you don't want the squares in separate corners of the screen
22:19.09sacarascwhat's the best mailbox addon (best/easiest to use/requires the least interaction)
22:19.21p3limsacarasc: the ones by tekkub
22:19.21Elsiapostal?
22:19.24Grumgrid was made for mouse clickcasting !
22:19.36Grumpostal is fine
22:19.37p3limExpressMail and the other one
22:19.55james\mmm is a fair point, tho one thing I liked about ctraid was being able to manually position groups
22:20.06kergothbetterinbox+expressmail+prioritymail imo
22:20.06pastamancerI hated that about ctraid
22:20.21GeloGWhat are mail addons used for now?
22:20.25pastamancerlet me find a screenshot...
22:20.35kergothbetterinbox gives the scroll wheel instead of paged interface, expressmail for shift-click loot, and prioritymail so when you hit the max # of attachments using rightclick, it automatically sends and open s a new send mail to that same destination
22:20.38james\sec, wanna be scared ?
22:21.05pastamancerhttp://kyle.13th-floor.org/images/wow/WoWScrnShot_062806_203143.jpg
22:21.10pastamancerthat's the bad 'ol days
22:21.21kergothyikes
22:21.27Gelo:>
22:21.34NeoTronpastamancer: haha
22:21.37Yssarilpastamancer: lol oldschool UI :P
22:22.01kergothi used grid back when i was in mc & bwl, kicked ass for that, but went to perfectraid since, just cause i'm not in raids that big anymore to need teeny boxes
22:22.01kergothheh
22:22.01xyumy oldschool UI looked nice actually
22:22.05xyuprobably better than my current :P
22:22.05Cheadswhoho.. lava surger!
22:22.07NeoTronI counter with http://eongames.com/wow/screens/myui.jpg
22:22.29Sarozcastparty!
22:22.31Sarozwas so awesome
22:22.35pastamancerhaha, nice
22:22.42xyuoldschool perfect raid was too
22:22.44Grumcompletely horrid :D
22:22.54xyuand squishy
22:23.13kergothhehe, squishy..
22:23.15kergothi remember that
22:23.16NeoTronI still think cast party was the best single-group UI as a healer
22:23.35pastamancerhttp://kyle.13th-floor.org/images/wow/WoWScrnShot_101806_232739.jpg ooh, that was from when I was just starting on grid
22:24.18Grumwhoha
22:24.23Grumgrid around for that long?
22:24.25p3limshame about the oldschool grids was that you werent able to see the health too clearly
22:24.42kergothperfecttargets, i miss that
22:24.57NeoTronhttp://david.hedbor.org/tmp/giantrabbit.jpg
22:25.00pastamancersince Oct 14, 2006
22:25.04Elsiawhat's more scary is that KTM is that old :P
22:25.05p3lim:)
22:25.11NeoTronkergoth: you shall be glad to know I intend to implement something similar for MagicMarker
22:25.18p3limnow THAT is a big bunny!
22:25.33NeoTronhttp://david.hedbor.org/tmp/giantrabbit2.jpg for some info
22:25.42NeoTron40kg bunny
22:25.46james\here you go pastamancer, http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ctraidtd1.jpg
22:26.08NeoTronit's funny
22:26.23p3limanyone remember the stresstest slashcommand? the one that hides all crap while flying
22:26.26NeoTronabck then you HAD To use ctra because there was no way to get all the info you can get today :)
22:26.32pastamancerheh, yeah
22:26.45Grumthe horrors of 40m raids ><
22:27.06james\well, if you wanted to do range checking, you put the people you wanted to heal on one side, and the people you didn't on the other
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22:28.10Yssarilin 2.4 we can put icons into text right?
22:28.17pastamanceryar
22:28.22james\did you manage to fix that bug where someone's healthbar doesn't update btw?
22:28.32aestilwhy would we want to put icons into text?
22:28.41Cryect<pastamancer> and yet so many people use it in non-square setups :/
22:28.45pastamancerjames\: that's caused by misconfiguring grid
22:28.48Cryectwould be better if you had it in hexagon setups ;)
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22:29.07james\oh
22:29.09pastamancerCryect: haha, If I could create non-square frames...
22:29.43CryectI was about to say you could then thought well not secure ones
22:29.47pastamancerhttp://wowace.com/wiki/Grid/FAQ first entry "Why does the healt hbar seem to get "stuck" sometimes"
22:29.57Yssarilaestil: could makes some things simpler but you can send the raidicons via chat on 2.4 so instead of saying aestil CC star you would say aestil CC {star} and it would actually turn into a star
22:30.12Cryectyou could do half offseted ones like often is done in hex based games that don't feel like drawing real hexes
22:30.14mikmanoobs. http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_010508_013102.jpg
22:30.15aestilwill that work in /rw?
22:30.17pastamancerwell, the clickable area must be square
22:30.20Cryectright
22:30.37CryectWell you could still do it
22:30.43Cryectwith lots of tiny frames!
22:30.50Cryect1 pixel width frames
22:30.52pastamancerewwww
22:30.56JoshBorke~lart cryect
22:30.56purlchanges cryect's permissions to 0777 and tells the world
22:31.31Ellipsisoh snap!
22:32.03aestilkgpanels is still not in trunk
22:32.22james\mmm I use healthbar for death, offline warning and unit health - but I use healthbar color for tonnes of shit - nothing like a nice red healthbar to show who has aggro etc.
22:32.41james\but nvm, you'd have the patience of a saint to answer all the qs you must get
22:33.20pastamancermost of the time I ignore the ones that have been answered before
22:33.32Yssarilpastamancer: http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1516/highrezoverlayuj6.jpg <--- the red green and blue regions are clickable :0 3 buttons non square at all :P
22:34.05pastamancerYssaril: how does that work?
22:34.19CIA-903ammo 072.4 * r64401 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua):
22:34.19CIA-9WitchHunt:
22:34.19CIA-9- Add Message Filtering. You can now select certain messagetypes to not be displayed.
22:34.19CIA-9- Kergoth here's your option to not show begins to cast :)
22:34.21Yssarilwhat Cryect said lots of little frames :P
22:34.33pastamancergross
22:34.36Polarinapastamancer: Probably some algorithm found on Wikipedia.
22:34.38Yssarilworkes quite well actually
22:34.49Cryectcan't do math Polarina for secureframes
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22:35.04Cryectyeah you might say gross
22:35.12Cryectbut wow is pretty good at rendering tons of frames
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22:35.37Cryectit sucks at setting upt he position of those frames but.... luckily it only does that when something moves
22:36.07Nefarionanyone bored and up to helping optimize some code?  =)
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22:36.44Yssarilyep for my purpose i create them at login and then hide/show them as needed so i only pay the setupcost once
22:36.53NeoTronand I thought I had a lot of frames in GravBlox :P
22:36.59Cryectwell what if a player wants to move them
22:37.19PolarinaNefarion: local CreateFrame = CreateFrame
22:37.26YssarilCryect: change the var and /reloadui :P
22:37.27NefarionO.o
22:37.58KarlThePaganI bet that a bunch of tiny frames would cause a lot of problems on slower machines when the user does start-drag
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22:38.17Cryectit creates lots of problems on faster machines as well ;)
22:38.17JoshBorkekarlthepagan: why?  just set point and wow takes care of the rest :-D
22:38.30Cryectif by problems you mean slowdown
22:38.48YssarilKarlThePagan: as long as they all reference to one frame its not to bad if they say frame n+1 references frame n then you get big problems with lag :)
22:39.14KarlThePaganJoshBorke, Yssaril not sure why but my previous machine had a sizable delay when I would move a clickable frame over/under another clickable frame
22:39.18CryectI really question why blizzard takes exponetial time for n references deep
22:39.19james\btw, cryect, are you still working on recount ?
22:39.31CryectI'm working on Recount 2 and Elsia is working on Recount
22:39.40KarlThePaganmaybe it's not the start drag where the performance hit is, but when the client has to figure out which one recieves the clicks
22:39.55Cryectno the client is pretty good at that
22:40.01james\are you ever going to work on IMBA again?
22:40.05Cryectdragging is the bigger issue
22:40.17CryectI don't plan to since Blizzard decided to kill most my smart functionality
22:40.20YssarilKarlThePagan: dragging the frame is the problem once its static its not a big deal
22:40.23Cryectbesides I don't raid anymore
22:40.33KarlThePaganwell whatever caues it, when I made 2 clickable frames "collide" it was a big slowdown for normal square regions
22:40.35CryectI wrote IMBA when there was no boss addons for the bosses we were doing etc
22:40.38james\Shame, I killed 4H with that mod :)
22:40.52Cryector there would be and the numbers were wrong etc
22:40.53KarlThePaganmy new machine is a rediculous beast
22:41.02Cryector I wanted to do things better or more smartly
22:41.04YssarilKarlThePagan: what do you mean with collide?
22:41.09Nefarionyeah on my ancient machine dragging frames usually goes a little laggy at first. and when they hit the edge of the screen for the first time i get a jump.
22:41.12james\yes, imba used client side parsing for the timers on their abilities
22:41.19KarlThePaganYssaril, I mean at the point where I move one frame over (or under) another
22:41.30james\la vendetta used timers so it went out
22:41.44KarlThePaganit litterally would hiccup for a noticable amount of time when one frame would go over or under another
22:41.46YssarilKarlThePagan: ahh idk about that
22:41.53Cryectyeah IMBA was the only one that was consistently accurate for a while
22:42.27ZeksieKarlThePagan, topLevel can cause that afaik. my slower machine used to have a lot of problems with that flag
22:42.41Cryectnever use Toplevel
22:42.47KarlThePaganbut anyways, that's the only thing I would test for if you're doing complex clickable regions like that... if it produces a slowdown then dragging it might make some users disconnect
22:42.55KarlThePaganZeksie, cool
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22:43.32Cryectamusing lua code I've written to do the same thing as toplevel has none of those issues
22:44.07Cryectsomeone really needs to sitdown and fix their C code for framesetup sometime
22:44.27Cryectluckily though it really needs to be run but when it does ugh
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22:45.57Zeksieindeed..
22:46.23Yssariljust created 6x10000 frames and it had virtually no impact on performance (took a wile to setup though :P) also hide/show locks up my machine for about .5 sec :)
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22:46.59Zeksieyeah. static frames are fine. just some of the erm.. hacks, slow it down
22:46.59doc^blais expertise_rating -> expertise always rounded down?
22:47.37Zeksiethe actual number is never rounded, only what you see on client. in which case, probably
22:47.45KarlThePaganyea, that's what I've seen
22:47.51KarlThePaganit's the character frame that rounds
22:47.54Yssarilprobably just trunkated instead of rounded :)
22:48.25doc^blai thought it is always rounded down
22:49.57Cryectwell rounded down is flooring so yes
22:50.10Cryectworks that way for all the ratings
22:50.24Cryectwell that convert to points
22:50.37Cryectso uh just expertise and defense :-p
22:50.44Zeksiethey all seem to be rounded, except for GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_EXPERTISE)
22:50.54doc^blano, it's special for expertise
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22:51.26PolarinaYssaril: Try one thing for me if you have time to; create a frame and make it the parent of the other "mini"-frames, and Show/Hide toggle the parent frame and see how that performs performance wise.
22:51.37james\you know
22:51.54james\whiteboard would have good for learning gruul :P did 2.0 break that too ?
22:52.06Cryectthere is a better addon than whiteboard
22:52.09CryectDoodle
22:52.16Cryectunless you are talking about something like blackboard
22:52.39Cryectand whiteboard I don't think was actually broken by 2.0
22:52.43YssarilPolarina: thats actually what i did :)  it hicups briefly the mroe frames you got (though at a low number less than 200 or so) it shouldnt really be noticable
22:52.49chiperDoodle eh?  I am intrigued
22:53.03Cryect~doodle
22:53.03purli heard doodle is A better version of Whiteboard, but without the suck, much more efficient.  Think Pictionary for WoW, except without annoying celebrities or drunk neighbors.
22:53.35CryectWhiteboard spams the hell out of the guild chat channel for those wondering what thats about ;)
22:53.37chiperwill have to check that out tonight
22:53.42aestilwhat about gruul requires doodle?
22:53.51YssarilPolarina: iterating over every frame to hide it would be slower i think
22:54.05CryectI guess just easier to show people where to stand /shrug
22:54.30PolarinaYssaril: Definitely. ;)
22:55.31james\aestil, pre-gruul nerf, there were positions
22:55.35PolarinaYssaril: Try to do SetAlpha(0) and SetAlpha(1) respectively.
22:56.49chipergruul encounter kinda reminds me onyxia
22:56.59chiperbut I suppose thats intended
22:57.50aestiljames\: i havn't done gruul for 9 months or more, when was tis nerf?
22:58.00Cryectmore than 9 months ago
22:58.01james\pre-2.1
22:58.04Chompersis there an irc addon/script to add colours to people?
22:58.17Chomperseveryone + text being white is hard to follow
22:58.19chiperto people?  like, the models?
22:58.21Cryectwas nerfed like 6 -8weeks after TBC came out
22:58.22james\sec, let me see
22:58.30aestilwith mag?
22:58.33Cryectno
22:58.36Cryectmag was nerfed later
22:58.54aestilhmm.  then i don't know if i killed gruul pre nerf. killed mag prenerf for sure.
22:59.03aestiland vashj, and kael.
22:59.12aestiland illidian in its current form is a let down.
22:59.18Groktarwe had gruul to 2% the night before the nerf
22:59.24YssarilPolarina: no noticeable lag (have about 10k subframes)
22:59.36JoshBorkeframes are cheap
22:59.42JoshBorkeit's when you add to them they get expensive
22:59.57james\http://photofile.name/photo/rulcherkizovo/2694938/large/51875571.jpg
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23:00.31chiperchompers: oh, mirc.  eh, dunno, I've often found mirc's color options very limited
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23:01.16YssarilPolarina: why you asking btw ? justsetup a little test addon to run tests :)
23:01.16james\we didn't have that map ofc, but we used similar positions, so you'd have to explain to people new to the fight where they could stand - because there were rocks and stuff that you could stand on to reduce the places you could be thrown to
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23:02.02Yssarilcan functions be garbage collected?
23:02.02PolarinaYssaril: Curious.
23:02.11PolarinaYssaril: Yes, but not frames.
23:03.04Yssarilthey should really give us a DestroyFrame(frame[,destroySubframes]) option
23:03.10Ordogis there an addon to sort battleground groups so they match the raid group ?
23:03.23Cryectwhy Yssaril?
23:03.35Cryecthow often do you want to create frames and destroy them?
23:03.39Cryectand if you do
23:03.44Cryectthen create a cache of them
23:03.54PolarinaYssaril: Or enable garbage collection on frames that are hidden.
23:03.59Cryector if you don't want to do that you can use Ace3's GUI framework for that
23:04.05CryectI don't want hidden frames to be GC'ed
23:04.22Yssarilyea hidden frames hare hidden for a reason :)
23:04.28CryectI wouldn't mind if I could label one to be GC'ed but hidden isn't it :-p
23:04.41Cryectjust don't see a strong need for being able to delete frames though
23:04.44PolarinaCryect: If they are out of scope, then yes. They are floating around there with you having no methods to acquire a reference to it.
23:04.54Yssarilyea true no strong need for it :)
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23:06.51Anadalezeskie, are you still here? ;)
23:07.03Yssarilhidden frames without reference to them is bad coding though :p (at least if they aren't GC'ed)
23:07.16CryectI have to say though I don't think i would recommend anyone actually use Ace3Gui considering its like ~120kb of code
23:07.47CryectHow would a hidden frame have no references?
23:07.51Cryectit always is a parent to something
23:07.54CryectI mean child
23:08.01Cryectso the parent always has a reference
23:08.04Cryecthence it can't be gc'ed
23:08.08PolarinaCryect: Bad coding. :)
23:08.43PolarinaCryect: And if there are no references to the parent?
23:08.54Cryecteverything has to be a subchild of UIParent
23:09.04PolarinaCryect: WorldFrame?
23:09.21Cryectworldframe is child of UIParent isn't it?
23:09.30PolarinaCryect: No.
23:09.50NeoTronman all the lua programming is messing me up when I code java at work
23:10.02chiperNeoTron: been there :P
23:10.06JoshBorkeframes do not need to have parents
23:10.08NeoTronI just wrote if(something) then { ... }
23:10.10PolarinaNeoTron: May I offer you Lua bindings for Java?
23:10.17chiperahahaha
23:10.30NeoTronPolarina: heh. probably not :P
23:10.32JoshBorkeyou cannot destroy frames because they are C constructs
23:10.44chiperI sometimes catch myself using realbasic code in my javascript
23:10.53CryectWorldFrame is also created by internal C code
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23:12.41CryectI see when you do create a frame parented to nil it has no parent it says though it always acts like UIParent is its parent
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23:14.16chipermmm.  I once took an online javascript class for credit on my CS degree.  the class had a first-day introduction seminar that we had to show up in person for.  the instructor begins the class talking about how he didn't like working in JavaScript because it was case sensitive.
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23:14.36Yssarilrofl
23:14.58Yssarilcase sensitivity opens up so many more fun things though :)
23:15.19chiperI didnt read a single one of the man's lectures.  I just did the homework assignments and pass the class with an A
23:15.27Yssarillol
23:15.30Cryectwhat language was he used to coding in? Basic?
23:15.37Kaeltenchiper: thats special
23:15.40chiperCryect: pretty much, yeah.  
23:15.46chiperASP and VB
23:15.57CryectBasic is like the only language I can think of that doesn't have case sensitivity
23:16.03Kaeltenchiper: I think I agree with Joel(Joelonsoftware.com iirc) that syntax is the last thing that we should choose a language based on.
23:16.03chipersame
23:16.08CryectASP does I think though?
23:16.21Kaeltendoesn't Asp let you code in any .net language?
23:16.24Cryectyes
23:16.36CryectHence the variable names matter you set things to
23:16.42QuantumDeltaAntiarc are you about mate?
23:16.45AntiarcYup
23:16.52QuantumDeltaI gotta a ponderance for ya
23:16.57QuantumDelta(threat lib)
23:16.57AntiarcPonder away
23:17.09CryectGlad ASP lets me inline code or I would hate even more than I currently do
23:17.17QuantumDeltaone of my hunters has been complaining omen is inaccurate regarding his threat
23:17.31ShirikCryect: It's ok to hate ASP
23:17.34Shirikthere's nothing to like about it
23:17.41QuantumDeltasince he was so insistant we looked into it a bit
23:17.44chiper*shrug* those were the languages he extolled.  his basic attitude was "I dont like it, but it's the industry standard so you have to use it."  he sounded disgruntled that VBScript wasnt mroe supported
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23:18.19AntiarcWhat'd you find?
23:18.29QuantumDeltaTheir tier set that gives a damage to healing 2 set bonus
23:18.51QuantumDeltaerr to put it into the CLs words exactly
23:18.55QuantumDeltawell, 2set is 15% damage or the like is healing towards the pet. 50% of that leaves me with a 107.5 threat
23:19.20QuantumDeltaI was just wondering if that were his problem or whether you'd already accomodated for it
23:19.43AntiarcIt should automatically account for that, as long as the combat log says "Hunter's SetBonusHeal heals PEt for 1234" or whatever
23:20.12QuantumDeltaHmm
23:20.37QuantumDeltaif that weren't present in the combat log?
23:21.11AntiarcThen it wouldn't catch it, but it also shouldn't generate threat
23:21.34AntiarcThings like the Mana Spring totem and Salv don't cause threat, but they don't have clog entries either.
23:21.52QuantumDeltaI see
23:22.32QuantumDeltaHe's gonna check his combat log now for it
23:22.56Lukianmaybe he should dequip one of the items and see if his threat is still out ;)
23:23.14QuantumDeltatrying to lock it down, since I've seen him pull agro whilst having been 7th or 8th (with the tank still having a threat lead) on the second player
23:23.27QuantumDeltaheh yea that was going to be my next comment to him :P
23:23.27AntiarcThat's definitely off
23:23.31AntiarcDoes he have the Illidan bow?
23:23.35QuantumDeltanaw
23:23.40chiperpet healing shouldnt be causing THAT much threat, should it?
23:23.51AntiarcNo, it shouldn't
23:24.11QuantumDeltawell our DPS normally huddle quite a lot threat wise
23:24.28YssarilQuantumDelta: and he has the latest version of omen
23:24.33Yssaril?
23:24.34AntiarcIs it possible he's feigning and popping up too soon?
23:24.49Ordogdoes somebody know how i can automagically sort battleground groups so they match the raid group ?
23:24.51AntiarcOmen clears threat pretty fast after an FD, but you have to stay FDd for a second or two for the clear to actually happen
23:24.52chiperthat sounds very likely
23:25.00AntiarcStupid FD being stupid untrackable reliably.
23:25.07QuantumDeltaerr
23:25.13chiperI've had that happen
23:25.19YssarilOrdog: dont think its possible to get info about yoru raid while in a BG
23:25.24QuantumDeltainteresting
23:25.32OrdogYssaril ive seen it working
23:25.41Ordoghell of a lag but works
23:26.15AntiarcOmen will clear threat as soon as the Feign Death buff is detected, but under laggy situations it takes 1-2 sec of FD for the clear to go through.
23:26.24YssarilOrdog: would be some addon that does it but idk of one good luck
23:26.25AntiarcFD is a really weird skill.
23:26.33QuantumDeltahmm....
23:26.50Yssarildoes the combat log show if a FD was resisted?
23:26.52QuantumDeltabut wouldn't that lead to excess numbers rather than lower numbers that are real?
23:26.54AntiarcNo
23:27.01Antiarc(@Yssaril)
23:27.11AntiarcNo, it would show lower numbers
23:27.20AntiarcBecause Omen's display resets, but his threat doesn't
23:27.36AntiarcSo he keeps DPSing since Omen says he's fine, pops over the tank since his threat didn't actually clear, and oh hay aggro :V
23:27.42QuantumDeltaWoW doesn't wipe your threat is you're fast on getting up after an FD?
23:27.43QuantumDeltawtf :<
23:27.47AntiarcCorrect.
23:28.00AntiarcLike I said, it's a really weird skill.
23:28.12AntiarcFrustrating as hell to try to code for :P
23:28.16QuantumDeltahaha
23:28.36YssarilAntiarc: does the new combat log help with it any?
23:28.39AntiarcNope.
23:28.42QuantumDeltayou get no kinda update at all on a feign resist either how ridiculus
23:28.44AntiarcSadly.
23:28.55AntiarcYou get a red error message in the UI errors frame
23:29.00AntiarcSame one where you get "Ability not ready"
23:29.02AntiarcBut that's it
23:29.06AntiarcNo per-target info
23:29.25Yssarildo you get resist reports for soulshatter?
23:29.30AntiarcYes
23:29.31QuantumDeltaaddons can't pull from that frame can they?
23:29.36AntiarcWe can, yes
23:29.43AntiarcSo I can see when an FD is resisted, but I can't see who resisted it
23:29.54AntiarcSo if it's, say, Hyjal trash, I have to roll back the clear on all mobs
23:29.56AntiarcEven though only 1 resisted
23:30.00AntiarcBecause I can't tell who resisted
23:30.01AntiarcIt sucks.
23:30.10QuantumDeltaugh
23:30.15Elsiahmm there is a SPELL_CAST_FAIL that fires for a lot of these failure situations now. anyone actually tested if it shows FD resists?
23:30.34AntiarcI tested FD resists out a bit and didn't see any new useful info.
23:30.49Elsiamight be worth poking alexanderyoshi about this
23:30.55AntiarcI have
23:30.58chiperwait, why cant you?
23:31.00AntiarcHe's said there's not much he can do about it
23:31.05Elsiai see
23:31.08Antiarcchiper: You don't get any per-target info
23:31.11chiperI have an addon that plays a chime when my FD is resisted
23:31.14chiperoh, I see
23:31.15AntiarcYOu just get a "Resisted" message.
23:31.21AntiarcNo info on who resisted
23:31.26chiperdoes 2.4 fix that?
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23:31.29AntiarcNope
23:31.32chiperbummer
23:31.36Antiarcyeah/
23:31.38AntiarcI was hoping for it.
23:31.51AntiarcI need to get a minimap button for Omen
23:32.08AntiarcBut I don't want to write that code myself :[
23:32.14YssarilAntiarc: fubarpluggin?
23:32.23AntiarcI'm using Ace3
23:32.27AntiarcWhich there isn't a fubarplugin for yet.
23:32.50Yssarilisnt someone working on one for ace3 (or a framework neutral one)?
23:32.59kergothisnt there some embeddable minimap button lib floating around?
23:33.13AntiarcWell, I also have to finish LibDropdown
23:33.32Yssaril?? new dewdrop type lib>
23:33.36AntiarcYeah
23:33.41JoshBorkecryect, come run kara
23:33.41AntiarcLibStub, framework independent
23:33.50Yssarilahhh
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23:35.15mytosevening folks
23:35.26QuantumDeltathank you btw antiarc :)
23:35.36YssarilAntiarc: you could jsut make a button that follows a round minimap and call it a day till you have more time (round minimap support shouldnt be hard at all i think)
23:35.50AntiarcBut see, I'm lazy. I want someone else to do it for me :
23:35.50Antiarc:P
23:35.53AntiarcSo, funny story.
23:36.03AntiarcThe other day, I was in Best Buy while I waited on my tires to be changed next door.
23:36.07NeoTronI was just going to make a MM_FuBar ace2 addon for the time being
23:36.11AntiarcAnd they had this display setup with a huge monitor and stuff
23:36.17AntiarcAnd were playing an Illidan kill video
23:36.23Yssarillol
23:36.26AntiarcWith Omen right in the middle of the screen. That was pretty bizarre.
23:36.35AntiarcThen a salesman walked up to me and was all "You play WoW?"
23:36.37JoshBorke' lol
23:36.38Antiarc"Yeah, a little bit"
23:36.42AntiarcAnd just walked away :P
23:36.44NeoTronhah
23:36.54Yssarilshould sue them for the movie rights to omen :P
23:37.01AntiarcI'm pretty sure if I'd said "Yeah, see that? I wrote that" he'd have laughed at me :P
23:37.12KarlThePaganor given you free shit!
23:37.15KarlThePaganthat would be awesome
23:37.18xyuomen in the middle of the screen means even a big red flashing screen and a soundfile is not enough to warn you of the danger of pulling aggro :D
23:37.35QuantumDeltalol
23:37.38AntiarcOmen2 includes screen shaking (off by default)
23:37.41kergothAntiarc: theres a LibMMButton-1.0 on the woawce trunk, libstub... dunno if its any good, didnt look at the code, but..
23:37.47AntiarcSo you get a big red flash and a sound file and your screen going nuts
23:37.52NeoTronspeaking of that, should make a post on how enabling shake'n'bake for my guild
23:37.52AntiarcI'll take a peek at it
23:38.02KarlThePagandude I would totally use screen shaking
23:38.03xyuOmen3 = reboots your PC
23:38.10QuantumDeltalmao xyu
23:38.15mytosi got 5g on tich says the video was recorded on a hunter
23:38.26AntiarcIt was a shaman, resto
23:38.32QuantumDeltawth
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23:38.36KarlThePaganhahah omen healer
23:38.37Antiarcwhy he had omen, I dunno
23:38.38QuantumDeltawhen do resto shamans get agro ;s
23:38.39KarlThePagannot on void reaver
23:38.48AntiarcBut I was all "oh, okay, I'm famous at best buy"
23:38.53KarlThePaganvoid reaver if they're learning it
23:39.03QuantumDeltaeh
23:39.09Kaeltenhttp://www.break.com/index/death-metal-puppy.html
23:39.15QuantumDeltaIf you have a healer pull agro at void reaver
23:39.21KarlThePaganor he wants to know who to yell at if they wiped
23:39.23QuantumDeltayou really need to invest in some better tanks ;s
23:39.30AntiarcI have class filtering and old-style autocollapse into Omen2 now
23:39.36KarlThePaganQuantumDelta, shamans will be spamming chain heal and get a lot of aggro
23:39.38AntiarcI need a minimap button or fubar plugin bridge and I'm set
23:39.49QuantumDelta....I can solo tank VR
23:39.54AntiarcDruid?
23:39.58QuantumDeltaPally :D
23:39.59KarlThePaganQuantumDelta, want a cookie?
23:40.04QuantumDeltaMy point is
23:40.07QuantumDeltawith 3 tanks
23:40.19QuantumDeltaI find it hard to believe they can't handle +800 TPS :<
23:42.14KarlThePaganwhat boss are you cleared too QuantumDelta ?
23:42.17PolarinaQuantumDelta: Have then enter Defencive Stance.
23:42.20QuantumDeltaCouncil
23:42.50KarlThePaganok grats, you're overgeared for VR... I said if they were learning the encounter (i.e. not overgeared) they might have to worry about aggro
23:42.58QuantumDeltaPsst
23:43.01KarlThePagan:P
23:43.05QuantumDeltamy threat gear hasn't changed since karazhan
23:43.06QuantumDelta;\
23:43.12QuantumDeltaor well
23:43.18QuantumDeltait includes HoJ now but that's it xD
23:43.38KarlThePaganyou mean you're not rolling against priests on the ZA hammer from eagle boss?
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23:43.48MegalonOrdog: you'll have to save the raid pre-join, and adjust it post-join
23:43.57Zeksienite all. ;)
23:44.01NeoTronAntiarc: someone posted a (simple) libstub fubar plugin, don't recall who did
23:44.06QuantumDeltaEh why would I bother ;\
23:44.22KarlThePaganwhat are you using? it's a fast hammer with a lot of stam
23:44.31QuantumDeltahammer of justice^
23:44.51QuantumDeltaprior to that gavel of unearthed or continuum blade
23:44.53KarlThePaganuh, wowhead link?
23:44.58QuantumDeltax_x
23:45.19KarlThePaganoh wait...
23:45.26KarlThePaganyou're horde side... tanking with seal of blood?
23:45.31NeoTron<PROTECTED>
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23:45.52QuantumDeltaok apparently i can't spell
23:45.55NeoTronArrowmaster is the guilty party
23:46.01QuantumDeltaand no i'm alliance side and tanking with seal swapping sov/sor ;p
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23:46.31NeoTrondon't know what the status of it is
23:46.36QuantumDeltaand I soooo meant judgement
23:46.36QuantumDeltahttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=34009
23:47.24NeoTronseal swapping?
23:47.28KarlThePaganyea check out Amani Punisher
23:47.32NeoTrondoes that really gain you that much?
23:48.07QuantumDeltaa lot
23:48.12QuantumDeltaI know AP :P
23:48.25NeoTronso how does it work? Have SoV up so the dot remains/
23:48.40QuantumDeltaYea you maintain the DoT whilst maximising your SoR uptime
23:48.40KarlThePaganyea looks like he 5 stacks veng and then goes to righteousness
23:48.41Antiarchttp://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot030408001046qn8.jpg
23:48.42NeoTronI found before that it was painful enough to keep the dot up with SoV alone
23:48.43AntiarcEARTH
23:48.44AntiarcWIND
23:48.44AntiarcWATER
23:48.45AntiarcFIRE
23:48.47AntiarcHEARTH
23:48.49QuantumDeltaslower weapons with WF/Reck helps loads ;/
23:49.04QuantumDeltaExpertise/Hit neotron
23:49.08QuantumDeltaespecially with a slow weapon
23:49.21QuantumDeltaLOL at that UI
23:49.27NeoTronI suppose
23:49.32NeoTronI can't say I ever had much threat issues
23:49.50NeoTronmeaning with t4+some ZA gear I could outthreat t5/partial t6 geared dpsers
23:49.59QuantumDeltaI only really use it for Teron
23:50.08Tullerthat may be the finest interface crafted by mankind
23:50.11QuantumDeltaoh and Illidan when I get there
23:50.15NeoTronWe just used 2 tanks on gorefiend instead of using the prot pally :P
23:50.28QuantumDelta2 tanks? oO?
23:50.30KarlThePaganthat UI is awesome...
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23:50.33NeoTronit's easier actually
23:50.44dodgathan what? :D
23:50.44QuantumDeltaI'm confused
23:50.47QuantumDeltawhy 2 tanks?
23:50.50NeoTronsorry
23:50.53NeoTronbloodboil :P
23:50.56QuantumDeltaOh
23:51.06NeoTronmind broken. error found.
23:51.11QuantumDeltaI've had 'fun' with that boss :<
23:51.20NeoTronit's a pain in the neck boss for a pally to tank
23:51.33QuantumDelta..why?
23:51.38dodgaehehe captain planet ui
23:51.39dodgan1 :>
23:51.40NeoTronyay I'm top threat but can't come down or I'm so far below the other tanks I don't get hit
23:51.49NeoTronso much threat is passive from being hit on
23:51.50QuantumDeltadon't come down!
23:51.57NeoTronif you don't come down you die
23:52.03NeoTronyou need to tank swap on gorefiend
23:52.05NeoTronerr
23:52.08NeoTronbloodboil
23:52.22QuantumDeltaeh
23:52.35QuantumDeltajust get your avoidance up above 65% and go all out all the time
23:52.48DiaoAntiarc
23:52.51Diaowhere did you find that ui pic o_
23:52.52Diaoo_o*
23:52.55QuantumDeltaother tanks are there to catch if you get bewildered or too many stacks whilst you have DS on CD
23:52.55Diaothat is amazing and awesome
23:52.56AntiarcOn the WoW forums
23:52.59Antiarchttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103821899&sid=1
23:53.05QuantumDeltaI normally control him for ~50-70% of the fight
23:53.11NeoTronbut they can't catch up if you're way the heck above
23:53.18NeoTronand you can't just drop aggro
23:53.19QuantumDeltaI've solo tanked him for the last 25% ;\
23:53.27NeoTronwe've had that happen too
23:53.30ChompersAntiarc : i'd love you long time if you added a player creatable 'white list' of players to be shown on Omen2
23:53.31NeoTrontwo other tanks died
23:53.34Chomperslooong time
23:53.35QuantumDeltaHe has an agro knock back
23:53.45QuantumDeltajust let him threat cap you
23:53.54QuantumDeltait gives your DPS such a huge room to destroy him
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23:54.48QuantumDeltaCuz you out TPS the other tanks on a DW boss ....AND you're the best person for having him for extended periods, you can DS twice/fight = ~5 minutes of control time if you're unlucky
23:54.53NeoTronknockback yes but it's like tanking VR - with a good enough tank you only need one
23:55.10mytosomen2 ??
23:55.23NeoTronhmm DS would remove the debuffs ... good point
23:55.35QuantumDelta4 minute cooldown
23:55.36NeoTronwell I don't trust our pally tank to do that :P
23:55.43QuantumDeltawell
23:55.51NeoTronstill 4 minutes is a long time if you don't swap
23:55.52QuantumDeltaultimately a tank is only as good as it's player
23:55.55QuantumDeltaregardless of the class ;\
23:56.09QuantumDeltaIf your avoidance is high enough
23:56.10NeoTronfortunately our worse tank went DPS
23:56.24QuantumDeltayou will last long enough debuff wise for his knock backs to bring you back inline with the other tanks
23:56.26NeoTronso do you ue reckoning?
23:56.28NivFreakNeoTron: are they bad DPS now?
23:56.31QuantumDeltagod know :D
23:56.36mytosi dunno, ive had that situation backfire neotron
23:56.44QuantumDeltano**
23:56.46NeoTronNivFreak: it seems to vary. a lot.
23:56.54QuantumDeltaReck = Parry + Minimal threat :<
23:56.56NeoTronseems most pally tanks stop using ti due to the parry risk
23:57.11NeoTronwith enough expertise parry shouldn't be a major issue?
23:57.19QuantumDeltaQuite true
23:57.33NivFreakdo pallys really stack expertise though?
23:57.38QuantumDeltabut by the time you have that level of ExpR you don't get hit enough reliably to make reck worth 5 points ;\
23:57.43Diaothey have 10 expertise from talents
23:57.45Diaohey
23:57.48Diaofor a kara level guild
23:57.48NeoTronwell any tank benefits greatly from it
23:57.55thulhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krdL38jPCkw <- fun video (even though it is nto totally work safe)
23:57.55Diaoshould the pally get the spelldmg tanking belt or iron-tusk (warrior version)
23:57.59AntiarcAll tanks should be prioritizing expertise.
23:58.02NeoTronparry burst DPS is still one of the major tank killing events
23:58.09AntiarcIt increases threat and decreases your chance to parrygib yourself.
23:58.14AntiarcThat's pretty frickin' awesome.
23:58.16QuantumDeltaExpR is a very powerful stat.
23:58.19Diaoit's like
23:58.21Yssaril<--- first time on the ptr how do i get to the sunwell island?
23:58.25NeoTronand it's easy for a plate tank to stack it, horrible for leather tanks..
23:58.29NivFreakhow much of a pally's threat is white dmg though?
23:58.29NeoTronYssaril: fly from IF
23:58.35NeoTronNivFreak: not too much
23:58.35Diao23 spelldmg 18 spellhit 4 stam(bonus) vs
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23:58.43NeoTronbut a hit also has a righteousness
23:58.55Diao10 defense rating, 6 dodge rating, 3 dodge rating(bonus), 5 stam
23:58.55NeoTronand keeping vengeance up if you twiddle with that
23:59.03QuantumDeltaNivFreak: the thing is (if you're alliance, human especially)
23:59.04AntiarcEven if you ignore the additional chance to hit, the chance to not parrygib yourself is worth its weight in gold
23:59.10Diaowhich is better? D:
23:59.12p4p7d6j5y7ePALLY DPS
23:59.15YssarilNeoTron: will flying form silvermoon work?
23:59.23QuantumDeltaExpR+Hit = close to guaranteed hit chances = SoV maintainance + SoR uptime ;P
23:59.27NeoTronI'd expect so
23:59.32NeoTronbut I haven't tried horde-side
23:59.47QuantumDeltaI've pushed my threat up to 2.2k on Teron (*includes raid buffs and junk)
23:59.50NeoTronQuantumDelta: do you judge SoR too then?
23:59.54QuantumDelta1.7k over the entire fight
23:59.57QuantumDeltanooo

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