00:00.15 | vhaarr | you're not providing any answers here, just pissing me off |
00:00.23 | vhaarr | zapl: did you write the code? what is it supposed to do? |
00:00.26 | CIA-9 | 03keiss * r64287 10/branches/Manasurge/ (14 files in 5 dirs): |
00:00.26 | CIA-9 | Manasurge: |
00:00.26 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
00:00.26 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
00:00.26 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
00:00.49 | Josh_Borke | vhaarr: i believe he's decrypting carbonite |
00:00.54 | zapl | yep |
00:00.58 | kergoth | why? |
00:01.10 | vhaarr | I believe he's full of crap |
00:01.17 | vhaarr | that code does nothing useful |
00:01.39 | vhaarr | the randomseed call is useless as well, the seed generated by lua is already based on time |
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00:02.26 | Primer | Is the author of FuBar_SpeedFU present? I believe that's Arrowmaster? |
00:02.35 | Xinhuan | it looks like a very very complicated way to get a random number |
00:02.36 | Xinhuan | to me |
00:02.41 | zapl | maybe they use it just to confuse poeple |
00:02.45 | Arrowmaster | im not the author |
00:02.55 | vhaarr | zapl: so it's not your code? |
00:02.56 | Zeksie | yay. got it all working i think. making coffe then will figure out how to commit this :p |
00:02.59 | vhaarr | why are you not answering |
00:03.03 | vhaarr | zapl: are you a fucktadr? |
00:03.06 | vhaarr | tard, even |
00:03.41 | zapl | its evil carbonite code. plain readable. so thats not violation the tos :D |
00:03.41 | Primer | Arrowmaster: oh, somehow I got the impression you were involved with it |
00:03.41 | vhaarr | what the code does is it gets a random CVAR |
00:03.43 | vhaarr | gets its value |
00:03.48 | vhaarr | then sets the cvar to the value it had |
00:04.14 | vhaarr | and assigns rname and cname on a global Nx object if random conditions are met |
00:04.18 | Xinhuan | i'm assuming somewhere else in the code, it has to get the value of that same cvar to do something random later |
00:04.29 | Xinhuan | at the end of the day, its just dumb ;p |
00:04.36 | vhaarr | at the end of the day, it makes no sense |
00:04.39 | *** kick/#wowace [zapl!n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr] by vhaarr (vhaarr) |
00:04.43 | Josh_Borke | ... |
00:05.03 | Xinhuan | now now, he didn't do anything wrong |
00:05.16 | vhaarr | what do you mean, he completely ignored my questions |
00:05.17 | Josh_Borke | vhaarr is pissy |
00:05.18 | ckknight | what's Carbonite? |
00:05.24 | Xinhuan | Carbonite is a pay-to-use addon |
00:05.26 | Josh_Borke | a for pay addon |
00:05.33 | Arrowmaster | Primer: i think it was one of those dime a dozen 'lets convert all the titan panel plugins to fubar' mods that was created when fubar was first released and a bunch of people have modified it over the while |
00:05.34 | Xinhuan | it is essentially a Map addon + questing addon |
00:05.40 | Nandini | it's main flashy feature is a zooming map |
00:05.47 | Arrowmaster | Primer: although rophy is listed as the author i think |
00:05.47 | Xinhuan | basically sort of like Cartographer + QuestHelper in one |
00:06.06 | Nandini | (which is admittedly very cool and needs to be reinvented by one of you!) |
00:06.07 | Xinhuan | except that its pay-to-use, so its supposedly has better maintenance/suppotr, etc |
00:06.21 | Xinhuan | can you describe this zooming map? |
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00:06.40 | Nandini | go to youtube and search wow carbonite |
00:06.51 | CIA-9 | 03kergoth * r64288 10MinimapTarget/MinimapTarget.lua: MinimapTarget: fix the call of the original in the hooking, which I broke in the previous commit. |
00:06.52 | Xinhuan | not intesreted in doing that ;p |
00:07.06 | Xinhuan | i am just interested in what it does, not that interested in searching for videos on it |
00:07.18 | Nandini | this is what it does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqIopsxU3Y |
00:08.12 | Xinhuan | hmm that's pretty cool |
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00:08.17 | Josh_Borke | lol |
00:08.47 | keiss | eye candy , but seems useless tbh ... |
00:09.05 | RaydenUni | why do the helboars in hellfire aggro from so far away? |
00:09.41 | Xinhuan | so its like google earth |
00:09.52 | Xinhuan | its probably similar to Y-Atlas |
00:09.55 | Josh_Borke | as the very first comment states |
00:10.07 | NeoTron | RaydenUni: they are angry |
00:10.10 | Nandini | people love eye candy, that's why the most "popular" addons are usually the flashiest and bulkiest, not the most efficient |
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00:11.06 | Nandini | i doubt it actually stitches minimap images together on the fly like yatlas, even on a very fast computer, it wouldn't be that smooth |
00:11.24 | Nandini | i'd bet they use precomposited images for different zoom levels |
00:11.33 | CIA-9 | 03funkydude * r64289 10StatBlocks/StatBlocks.lua: StatBlocks: tweak |
00:11.48 | RaydenUni | stupid lag |
00:11.59 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07Ace3 * r64290 10BetterQuest/core.lua: BetterQuest: Right-clicking on quest lines should open the quest log. |
00:13.30 | Nandini | lupid stag |
00:13.44 | Nandini | i must be dyslexic, because that's what i read |
00:13.50 | Matrix110 | hmmm this carbonite thing why would anyone pay for that ? :D |
00:14.03 | Matrix110 | There are Addons i would pay for but for that??? |
00:14.18 | Arrowmaster | it does more than that |
00:14.27 | Nandini | they pay for it because there is no free alternative that combines that exact set of functionality and presentation, i'd imagine |
00:14.48 | Xinhuan | like i said, it is more than that |
00:14.55 | Xinhuan | it is a questing addon too |
00:15.05 | Matrix110 | well i watched the super duber youtube vids :P |
00:15.22 | Nandini | yeah it has waypoints and quest objectives and a leveling guide built-in i believe |
00:15.23 | Primer | Arrowmaster: ok, was just curious, as I've ripped some code from it and it seemed to work while I was in redridge, but then I went to shat, and the numbers were all off |
00:15.28 | Nandini | things that are all available for free in other addons |
00:15.48 | Arrowmaster | Primer: what did you rip from it? the speed calcs? |
00:15.52 | Primer | yeah |
00:16.01 | Dashkal | People pay for it for the (slightly) legitimate entitlement for feature requests, bug fixes, and because it's "easy" to use. |
00:16.04 | Kemayo | kergoth: I'm thinking I might be able to get away with just toggling off clipping to screen while the frame is hidden. I'll see what happens when you reenable it while the frame is offscreen. |
00:16.31 | Nandini | Kemayo: is the header anchored to the list, or the list to the header? |
00:16.37 | Arrowmaster | Primer: its showing a difference between what speedfu shows and the code you riped from it shows? |
00:16.40 | Xinhuan | there is actually a feature request for Carbonite to work with Routes |
00:16.41 | Primer | Arrowmaster: I found it odd that there was an array with each zone in it which supplied a modifier |
00:16.53 | Kemayo | Nandini: The header is anchored to the list. |
00:16.54 | Primer | Arrowmaster: I don't use fubar, so I never installed speedfu |
00:16.54 | Xinhuan | apparantly carbonite makes it such that routes lines on the minimap doesn't draw |
00:16.57 | Arrowmaster | Primer: those are the zone sizes |
00:17.20 | Kemayo | Nandini: On the logic that the header is the optional component. |
00:17.39 | Nandini | you can calculate the zone size by running on the ground at a known speed for a known period of time |
00:17.47 | Nandini | well the size of the zone map at least |
00:17.56 | Primer | Arrowmaster: I may have messed up the code though, as I recently added a delay to the refresh rate of the text |
00:17.57 | Arrowmaster | or you can do what i did and just copy it from the dbc files |
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00:18.03 | Primer | in fact, that's probably what I did |
00:18.12 | Primer | actually, crap, that is exactly what I did |
00:19.10 | Nandini | Kemayo: if the header is anchored to the list, the list should pop back into place if you reshow it and clamp it to the screen, and the header should still anchor to the top |
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00:21.08 | Kemayo | Nandini: That sounds like workable behavior to me. |
00:21.25 | Primer | seems to work! woot |
00:21.39 | Primer | I wonder if I should offer different display types for the speed |
00:22.42 | RaydenUni | gosh darn it |
00:22.45 | RaydenUni | lagging out again |
00:22.46 | Dashkal | I'm going to have to learn WoW UI coding soon |
00:22.59 | Cryect | <PROTECTED> |
00:23.02 | RaydenUni | i have a good ping |
00:23.03 | Cryect | it does |
00:23.11 | Cryect | you can download the free version |
00:23.16 | Primer | I've observed the following: walk speed = 36, run = 100, non epic riding mount = 160, epic riding = 200 |
00:23.16 | RaydenUni | really good speed |
00:23.20 | Cryect | and it has no images included besdies some small ones |
00:23.23 | Primer | crap, I sold my non epic flyer |
00:23.31 | RaydenUni | Primer buy it back |
00:24.03 | Primer | epic flyer 380, with riding crop 418 |
00:24.16 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07Ace3 * r64291 10BetterQuest/modules/spam.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Spam module should be registering DB "Sink". |
00:24.18 | Primer | I wonder if people will understand those numbers |
00:24.26 | RaydenUni | what are the numbers for? |
00:25.47 | Arrowmaster | Primer: those are all % |
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00:28.46 | Primer | Arrowmaster: yup. I omitted the "%" part from my display |
00:29.24 | Primer | the 'base' is obviously character run speed on level ground |
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00:30.00 | Primer | most people think of the percentages as a percentage over that |
00:30.11 | Kaelten | more input please: http://paste.kaelten.com/show/13/ |
00:30.18 | Primer | as in, epic flyer is 280% over run speed, not 380 |
00:31.28 | RaydenUni | wtf |
00:31.31 | RaydenUni | why do i keep lagging out? |
00:32.20 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r64292 10NRT/NRT.lua: NRT: Automatically focus and highlight the XML output when the tracker frame is shown. |
00:32.32 | CIA-9 | 03starinnia * r64293 10StatBlocks_Ammo/StatBlocks_Ammo.lua: StatBlocks_Ammo: X,Y position options added |
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00:34.18 | RaydenUni | world server is down... |
00:34.47 | Starinnia | that might explain the lag issue |
00:34.59 | RaydenUni | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ says up |
00:35.27 | Starinnia | i'd assume other parts of your realm are up |
00:35.42 | Starinnia | world server just means outlands or azeroth or kalimdor |
00:35.52 | RaydenUni | oh |
00:35.55 | RaydenUni | i'm back in now... |
00:35.58 | CIA-9 | 03stalake * r64294 10GearEvaluator/ (GearEvaluator.lua GearEvaluator.toc Libs/ embeds.xml): GearEvaluator: Added module support |
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00:38.52 | Primer | !points 378 |
00:38.53 | Xinhuan | 378 arena points require 1531(5s), 1573(3s) and 1624(2s) team rating. |
00:39.37 | CIA-9 | 03stalake * r64295 10GearEvaluator_ItemBonusLib/ (5 files in 2 dirs): GearEvaluator_ItemBonusLib: Added basic support for ItemBonusLib |
00:39.56 | Funkeh` | haha |
00:39.58 | Funkeh` | awesome |
00:40.19 | Funkeh` | I emailed the dudes @ qfx software about keyscrambler not working with Fx3 b4, they emailed me back a working beta |
00:40.48 | xyu | Does anyone know if they fix the cast / switch targets / interrupt bug in 2.4? |
00:41.07 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07Ace3 * r64296 10BetterQuest/config.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Fix font-setting. |
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00:44.14 | Nefarion | question: calls to pairs creates a function each time, that needs to be GCed, right? does using 'for k,v in next,table' do the same thing? |
00:44.29 | Dashkal | OT: Do not die here, or be "severely punished": http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080305/od_nm/election_cemetery_dc;_ylt=Ao2.Q1Pe4SwY.ZKKB2M3kGsSH9EA |
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00:44.56 | Nefarion | or would 'k,v in next.table' avoid the throw away function? |
00:45.01 | Nefarion | next,table* |
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00:47.43 | Fin | in k, v in pairs(table) |
00:48.18 | Nefarion | ..? |
00:49.00 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07Ace3 * r64297 10BetterQuest/core.lua: BetterQuestTracker: tracker:SetClampedToScreen(false) while it's collapsed, to stop the header being invisibly locked very far away from the edge of the screen. |
00:49.27 | Fin | no? I thought that was the way to iterate over a table - wouldn't for k, v in next.table iterate over the next value in table? |
00:49.54 | Nefarion | you can use 'for k,v in next, table do' |
00:50.05 | Fin | table see, table do |
00:50.28 | Nefarion | lua> for k, v in next, _G do print(k) end |
00:50.28 | lua_bot | Nefarion: tostring, os, getfenv, pairs, assert, tonumber, strsplit, load, _G, coroutine, loadstring, pp, prettyprint, string, xpcall, bit, _VERSION, strtrim, table, strjoin, strconcat, setmetatable, next, ipairs, rawequal, collectgarbage, rawset, print, math, pcall, unpack, type, select, rawget, getmetatable,... (result truncated) |
00:50.31 | Nefarion | see? |
00:50.41 | CIA-9 | 03barfolomeu * r64298 10/branches/FlightHUD/ (FlightHUD.lua FlightHUD.toc): |
00:50.41 | CIA-9 | FlightHUD: Added ground speed indicator. This is only horizontal speed in terms of percentages, where running |
00:50.41 | CIA-9 | character speed is 100%. Code borrowed from FuBar_SpeedFu. |
00:50.41 | CIA-9 | Make pitch graphic scale only go up to 20, as anything more looks odd. |
00:50.41 | CIA-9 | Add GPL v2 file and GPL header to the main (only, actually) lua file. |
00:51.55 | Nefarion | i need to iterate over a table in onupdate and wanted to keep my garbage down. i tried using a handmade loop to do it but i couldn't get it nearly as fast as an interator. so i'm wondering if using next, table causes the same throw away function that (i think) pairs creates. |
00:52.30 | Dashkal | I don't have access to the manual on hand, but I thought pairs just returned next |
00:52.42 | Nefarion | does it? |
00:52.48 | Dashkal | I |
00:52.48 | Xinhuan | it doesn't. |
00:52.59 | Xinhuan | pairs() just returns next() |
00:53.00 | Nefarion | pairs is faster than next, table |
00:53.08 | Xinhuan | it isn't any faster or slower |
00:53.17 | Nefarion | faster when i do it in my parser |
00:53.27 | Dashkal | ahh, so I do remember right. About to leave so I didn't want to dig up the reference |
00:53.39 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07Ace3 * r64299 10BetterQuest/core.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Fix drycode bugs in opening the quest log on rightclick. |
00:53.50 | Nefarion | lua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in next, _G do end; print(os.clock() - t); lua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in pairs(_G) do end; print(os.clock() - t); |
00:53.51 | lua_bot | Nefarion: luabot:1: '=' expected near '>' |
00:53.57 | Nefarion | oops |
00:54.09 | Nefarion | lua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in next, _G do end; print(os.clock() - t); local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in pairs(_G) do end; print(os.clock() - t); |
00:54.10 | lua_bot | Nefarion: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
00:54.25 | Nefarion | lua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in next, _G do end;end print(os.clock() - t); local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in pairs(_G) do end;end print(os.clock() - t); |
00:54.26 | lua_bot | Nefarion: 0.85, 0.39 |
00:54.33 | Nefarion | see? |
00:54.41 | Nefarion | pairs always ends up faster |
00:54.48 | CIA-9 | 03barfolomeu * r64300 10FlightHUD/ (COPYING FlightHUD.lua FlightHUD.toc Locale-enUS.lua): |
00:54.48 | CIA-9 | FlightHUD: Added ground speed indicator. This is only horizontal speed in terms of percentages, where running |
00:54.48 | CIA-9 | character speed is 100%. Code borrowed from FuBar_SpeedFu. |
00:54.48 | CIA-9 | Make pitch graphic scale go only up to 20, as anything more looks odd. |
00:54.49 | CIA-9 | Add GPL v2 file and GPL header to the main (only, actually, lua file). |
00:54.51 | CIA-9 | Merge from branches -r 64298. |
00:55.04 | Primer | Does CIA never truncate commit messages? |
00:55.19 | Nefarion | make a huge commit message and check lol |
00:55.26 | Primer | will do that next time |
00:55.35 | Dashkal | note to self: warn before committing a large change |
00:55.42 | Cryect | lua> pairs({1,2,3}) |
00:55.43 | lua_bot | Cryect: function: 0x6290b0, table: 0x63d9e0, nil |
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00:55.48 | Xinhuan | lua> local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in next, _G, nil do end;end print(os.clock() - t); local t = os.clock() for i = 1,100000 do for k in pairs(_G) do end;end print(os.clock() - t); |
00:55.51 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1.25, 0.55 |
00:55.53 | vhaarr | Primer: it does in here, but not in #wowace-cia |
00:56.00 | Cryect | hmm must have some sort of optimization for using pairs in for loops |
00:56.02 | Primer | vhaarr: ahhh good |
00:56.14 | Cryect | lua> next |
00:56.14 | lua_bot | Cryect: function: 0x629a80 |
00:56.23 | Cryect | oh pairs returned a different function |
00:56.30 | Xinhuan | lua> pairs({}) |
00:56.31 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: function: 0x6290b0, table: 0x63d7d0, nil |
00:56.35 | Dashkal | lua> return pairs({1, 2, 3}), _G["next"] |
00:56.35 | lua_bot | Dashkal: function: 0x6290b0, function: 0x629a80 |
00:56.45 | Cryect | lua> ipairs({1,2,3}) |
00:56.45 | lua_bot | Cryect: function: 0x629010, table: 0x63d9e0, 0 |
00:56.48 | Dashkal | hmm, not next itself |
00:56.49 | Xinhuan | probably one is slightly faster than the other due to implementation |
00:56.52 | Dashkal | oh well, time to jet |
00:56.53 | Kemayo | kergoth: The font switching and header moving should be much improved. |
00:57.20 | Diao | wow rofl |
00:57.23 | Diao | this 2v2 game was amazing |
00:57.23 | Nefarion | Xinhuan: so calling pairs wouldn't create a function that's going to be GCed after the loop? |
00:57.29 | Xinhuan | nope |
00:57.32 | Nefarion | oh good |
00:57.34 | Nefarion | no worries then |
00:57.35 | Diao | pally(me)/fg lock vs sl/sl lock and disc priest |
00:57.41 | Diao | we killed the lock's felhunter |
00:57.43 | Diao | he fel doms |
00:57.51 | Diao | my lock deathcoils into 3 fears |
00:57.51 | Xinhuan | you can verify this by doing a pairs inside a pairs |
00:57.55 | Xinhuan | and seeing the return value |
00:57.59 | Xinhuan | they are all the same function |
00:58.03 | Diao | followed by my HoJ then arcane torrent, 1 sec left on feldom and he summons... an imp |
00:58.49 | Ellipsis | don't underiestimate mr. impy |
00:59.05 | Ellipsis | he can totally throw firebolts |
00:59.28 | Diao | we wasted 2 2min cds and a 1 min cd |
00:59.31 | Diao | to stop him from summoning an imp -_- |
01:01.13 | Zeksie | just noticed. the Profiles option is missing from my DD menu. has attach minimap/enabled/about etc. but no profiles. what am i missing |
01:01.41 | FtH|Daemona | hmm another ptr patch? |
01:02.26 | Primer | Hrmm, file submissions for newer versions of addons are not instantaneous on curse.com? |
01:03.38 | Primer | I did it differently this time, I used the URL to the zip file...didn't upload it locally |
01:04.20 | Primer | seems curse.com downloaded it, according to my web server's access log |
01:04.25 | Primer | guess I'll just wait |
01:04.38 | kergoth | Kemayo: cool, thanks |
01:04.40 | kergoth | will test it out |
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01:05.45 | Camci | Can you have totally different UI's for different chars? |
01:05.58 | vhaarr | yes you can |
01:06.06 | Camci | :o |
01:06.12 | Yssaril | what is the duration of a buff (returned from UnitBuff()) if its an aura? |
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01:08.02 | Yssaril | nm |
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01:11.55 | Primer | It returns ∞ |
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01:22.07 | RaydenUni | oh cool |
01:22.10 | RaydenUni | i'm still logged in |
01:22.13 | RaydenUni | stupid world server |
01:22.39 | Primer | hrmm, I don't recall it taking this long for curse.com to update my page after updloading a new version |
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01:24.39 | RaydenUni | i hope they restart the server soon |
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01:26.48 | Primer | seems all the servers are hosed |
01:26.57 | Primer | I'm guessing their database is screwed |
01:27.20 | Primer | our realm was hosed when I was on it not long ago |
01:28.32 | Chaud | ruin, rampage, shadowburn broken =O |
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01:28.54 | Primer | Add Gorgonnash to that list |
01:29.09 | Chaud | that isnt a battlegroup at all =\ |
01:29.33 | Chaud | isnt that realm in rampage? |
01:29.38 | Primer | yes |
01:29.44 | Chaud | there you go =p |
01:29.51 | Primer | I wasn't referring just to pvp |
01:29.55 | Primer | the entire realm is hosed |
01:30.17 | Primer | took like 5 minutes to trade something with a guildy |
01:32.01 | Chaud | yeah...those 3 battlegroups are brokenm |
01:36.07 | Arrowmaster | more than that |
01:37.02 | kenlyric | goddamn steam |
01:37.06 | kenlyric | TAKE MY MONEY! |
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01:38.10 | Ellipsis | you tell 'em, kenlyric |
01:38.51 | Fisker- | i am going insane :( |
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01:38.59 | Fisker- | your fault |
01:40.42 | kenlyric | bioshock $29 |
01:40.44 | kenlyric | must buy |
01:40.57 | Fisker- | don't |
01:41.26 | Fisker- | really not worth it |
01:41.56 | Chaud | download it. |
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01:47.01 | home|prophy | anyone have a MagicTrack that prints to RWarnings? |
01:47.18 | Gngsk | tried afflicted? |
01:48.02 | home|prophy | dont like it since it doesn't tell u "viper sting is up in 3secs" |
01:49.15 | Chaud | just change the code that outputs it |
01:49.22 | Chaud | I dont code at all and found it pretty simple |
01:50.13 | home|prophy | can u send me ur version? =) |
01:50.40 | Chaud | long gone to the file crap pile since I switched to afflicted |
01:51.00 | home|prophy | meant can u send me ur afflicted heh |
01:51.43 | Chaud | ? all I changed was magic track to raid |
01:53.58 | home|prophy | ah |
01:55.02 | Zeksie | correct me if i'm wrong here.. assuming i'm commiting a packaged file, i can initially commit it with the modules in the main folder, then once the initial commit is done I can check out the modules into their proper folders locally for me yes? |
01:55.44 | Zeksie | or is there some way to add package modules from where they currently are? like specifying subpath in my addon svn entry. |
02:01.15 | WobWork | Zeksie: are you talking about externals? |
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02:02.00 | Zeksie | well. i'm not sure, they're modules in my mod. so.. should i treat them as externals that will show up in the wau file list, or should htey all be bundled together. is there any different to how i commit it |
02:02.58 | Gngsk | vhaarr, http://gngsk.pastey.net/83667 take attendance -> click item to show |
02:03.06 | Zeksie | I think I have it. just wondered if there was some way to commit the modules into the right place, or is there no different in just doing it all at once when they're bundled with the main part |
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02:07.25 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r64302 10NRT/NRT.lua: NRT: Bugfix? |
02:07.30 | vhaarr | Gngsk: can you try again? |
02:07.34 | Gngsk | yah, one sec |
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02:07.54 | Gngsk | do I have to take attendancen again or just click the item? |
02:08.03 | vhaarr | click |
02:08.08 | Gngsk | k |
02:11.18 | Gngsk | aight, do you expect it to be a window with highlighted text that's a bunch of html types stuff? |
02:11.23 | vhaarr | yes |
02:11.27 | Gngsk | works then |
02:11.39 | vhaarr | thanks |
02:12.33 | Gngsk | np buddy |
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02:13.52 | Zeksie | mmm. where's the change user/pass option in tortoise.. |
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02:16.13 | FtH|Daemona | hmmm Sunwell Plateau is still disabled :( |
02:17.15 | Gngsk | and live instance servers are hosed |
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02:17.19 | Gngsk | US anyway |
02:17.51 | FtH|Daemona | euro went down 15min ago for a 8-10 hour maintenance |
02:18.12 | Gngsk | hope your maintenance goes better than ours did :P |
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02:20.12 | MentalPower | Zeksie: theres a clear authentication option |
02:22.08 | Zeksie | it's not being clear to me. |
02:22.23 | MentalPower | ? |
02:22.36 | Zeksie | there's nothing to clear in there. it's grayed out |
02:22.43 | Zeksie | and i don't get asked for auth |
02:22.56 | MentalPower | what addy are you using? |
02:23.00 | Gngsk | MentalPower, does norganna frequent this irc network? |
02:23.20 | MentalPower | Gngsk: yes, we have our channel(s) on this network |
02:23.21 | MentalPower | why? |
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02:23.39 | Gngsk | I was wondering if there was a way to reset the admin password for my pastey |
02:23.43 | Zeksie | thx.. wrong addy. read it. didn't see it |
02:23.54 | MentalPower | Zeksie: np, anytime |
02:24.03 | MentalPower | Gngsk: what pastey? |
02:24.28 | MentalPower | we can go to PMs if you want to |
02:24.56 | Xinhuan | lua> t = {} t.return = true |
02:24.56 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near 'return' |
02:25.20 | Xinhuan | lua> t = {} t["return"] = true |
02:25.20 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: No output |
02:25.26 | Xinhuan | how dumb. |
02:25.38 | Xinhuan | lua> t = {} t.end = true |
02:25.39 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near 'end' |
02:25.44 | Xinhuan | oh well |
02:26.26 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
02:26.42 | Xinhuan | the parser isn't all that smart after all |
02:26.46 | Hrack | what kind of bot is that? |
02:26.50 | Arrowmaster | is that a lua_bot bug or a lua bug? |
02:26.55 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64303 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: LibQuixote-2.0: Drycode comms fixes. |
02:27.05 | Xinhuan | its the same error i'm getting both in game and standard lua |
02:27.13 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07Ace3 * r64304 10BetterQuest/modules/ (8 files): BetterQuestTracker: Change how module enabling/disabling works. |
02:27.17 | Xinhuan | appears that reserved keywords can't be used in .blah format |
02:27.42 | Arrowmaster | lua> t = {} t.function = true |
02:27.43 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: '<name>' expected near 'function' |
02:28.15 | Xinhuan | lua> t = {end = "abc"} |
02:28.15 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'end' |
02:28.26 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64305 10ZOMGBuffs/ (58 files in 15 dirs): |
02:28.26 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs: Initial Commit |
02:28.26 | CIA-9 | - Raid buffing monitor, and auto rebuffer for all buffing classes. |
02:28.41 | Zeksie | yay |
02:28.51 | Gngsk | 58 files in 15 dirs ZOMG indeed |
02:29.00 | Zeksie | been working on it a while |
02:29.25 | Zeksie | now to set externals... lalala |
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02:31.09 | home|prophy | anyone edit magictrack's .lua file how do i tell it to Grow DOWN...instead of UP |
02:39.41 | Yssaril | whichone looks better top or bottom http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5145/auratesthz3.jpg? |
02:41.01 | mytos | bottom |
02:43.09 | kenlyric | top |
02:43.21 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64306 10ZOMGBuffs/: |
02:43.21 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs |
02:43.21 | CIA-9 | - Updated externals |
02:43.30 | Gngsk | can I ask what the difference is? |
02:43.32 | Gngsk | lol |
02:44.18 | dylanm | The buff textures are rotated. |
02:44.22 | kenlyric | in the bottom the icons are all in the same direction, in the top they're fanned out |
02:44.47 | kenlyric | and if rainbows are what you are looking for, the top is better |
02:44.53 | Xinhuan | the circles look too thick |
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02:45.43 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: they are to minimum size to hide the incons own boarder and to get right to the corner of the icon |
02:46.57 | Xinhuan | what size are those icons |
02:47.16 | Xinhuan | its a bit funny that the buffs/debuffs take up 3x as much space as the actual unitframe |
02:47.19 | Yssaril | 16.66666667 :P |
02:47.43 | Xinhuan | suggest halving the size |
02:47.59 | Xinhuan | and so you have 3 rows instead of 5 |
02:48.25 | CIA-9 | 03xinhuan * r64307 10BankItems/BankItems.lua: BankItems: Store an additional integer for mail items indicating their expiry date/time. Update tooltips accordingly. |
02:49.11 | Yssaril | hmm let me try one sec |
02:49.43 | Xinhuan | or maybe make the size variable and your math can do the stuff |
02:49.57 | Xinhuan | i think most unitframes allow the user to set the size of each buff frame anyway |
02:50.55 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64308 10ZOMGBuffs/ (. embeds.xml): |
02:50.55 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs: |
02:50.56 | CIA-9 | - Fixed externals |
02:51.40 | Yssaril | http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8887/8pixgq3.jpg kinda small |
02:52.04 | mytos | acctually, that looks better |
02:52.32 | Yssaril | but you cant tell what each icon is :P |
02:52.41 | mytos | yea you can |
02:53.17 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64309 10ZOMGBuffs/: |
02:53.17 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs: |
02:53.17 | CIA-9 | - Really fixed externals. Don't get me started on case sensitivity.. |
02:53.23 | Zeksie | will get it right at some point.. |
02:54.04 | Zeksie | sigh |
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02:56.40 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64310 10ZOMGBuffs/: |
02:56.40 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs |
02:56.40 | CIA-9 | - And finally... some fixed externals. |
02:56.48 | Xinhuan | :) |
02:57.02 | Zeksie | go go consistant lib pathing |
02:57.24 | Zeksie | yay. it works now |
02:57.40 | Xinhuan | can you briefly describe what zomgbuffs does? |
02:57.41 | Yssaril | how about http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1060/40om8.jpg <--- 11pixel wide |
02:57.56 | Zeksie | well. for most classes it'll just be another buff mod... but: |
02:58.09 | Zeksie | it has a popup raid list which gives an at a glance raid overview of raid buffs |
02:58.16 | Xinhuan | got a SS? |
02:58.25 | Zeksie | emmm. not this moment. |
02:58.29 | Zeksie | maybe |
02:58.48 | Yssaril | if wow ever alows 400 buffs debuffs this is how it will look http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/15/400dr6.jpg :P |
02:58.54 | Xinhuan | yss, i forgot what the extra health/mana bars are for |
02:59.07 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: ToT |
02:59.12 | Zeksie | but for paladins, it'll be great. auto generated blessing assignments based on talents, and who's in raid, and their subclass assignments (druid healers vs druid tanks for example) |
02:59.15 | Yssaril | focus is hidden in those shots |
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02:59.31 | Zeksie | just click one button and all the blessings are setup |
02:59.32 | Xinhuan | so ToT is on the left outer bars right? |
02:59.41 | Yssaril | yes |
02:59.42 | Xinhuan | is there anything on the right outer bars? |
02:59.49 | Yssaril | focus target |
02:59.58 | Zhinjio | Xinhuan: what hud is that??? |
03:00.01 | Zhinjio | thats pretty damn sexy |
03:00.07 | Zhinjio | and I don't even like huds |
03:00.08 | Xinhuan | its Yssarils unit frame |
03:00.34 | Xinhuan | looks pretty cute and has a nice curvy feeling to it |
03:00.52 | Zhinjio | hmm. |
03:01.17 | Zhinjio | Yssaril: is it just self/target/tot/focus, or does it include party/raid as well? |
03:01.35 | Gngsk | Kaelten, ping |
03:01.47 | Yssaril | will be just self/pet/pettarget/target/targetttarget/focus |
03:01.57 | Kaelten | hi |
03:01.57 | Zhinjio | ok |
03:02.07 | Yssaril | am not sure if i will deal with party/raid frames |
03:02.20 | Zhinjio | yeah, thats compltely acceptable given its look/feel |
03:02.27 | Xinhuan | you can have a circle, divided into 4 quarters for party |
03:02.29 | Xinhuan | :D |
03:02.47 | Xinhuan | but it'll take up a lot of space |
03:02.56 | Zeksie | oddly, don't have any screenshots atm. i should make some |
03:03.02 | Xinhuan | compared to any standard unit party frame |
03:03.06 | Gngsk | Kaelten, was curious about svn accounts that were created before that crash a long time ago. I had one back then not sure if it's still active. |
03:03.16 | Zhinjio | perhaps half circles that could be vertical (mounted on left/right side of screen for party |
03:03.20 | Zhinjio | now that I'm thinking of it. |
03:03.25 | Xinhuan | and you will still need to add indicators |
03:03.33 | Zhinjio | and party/pet, party/target could be included somehow |
03:03.34 | Zhinjio | heh |
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03:04.02 | Kaelten | it may or may not still be active |
03:04.06 | Xinhuan | such as group number, Master Loot, pvp/resting indicators, class symbols, elite/rare/mob classification, etc |
03:04.16 | Xinhuan | to make the hud display more useful |
03:04.18 | Gngsk | should I just apply for a new one regardless then? |
03:04.22 | Xinhuan | and of course, combo points |
03:04.34 | Zhinjio | Yssaril: I hope you're not taking this as critique. heh |
03:04.50 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: yar |
03:04.51 | Zhinjio | just seeing potential/sexiness |
03:05.14 | Yssaril | Zhinjio: nope thats why i am talking about it cause feedback is always good :) |
03:05.31 | Zhinjio | does it have to be mounted bottom center or can it be mounted like in a corner (topright, for example) and be tilted to accomodate? |
03:05.52 | Zhinjio | I almost always have my unit frames top right |
03:05.56 | Zhinjio | all of them |
03:05.58 | mytos | Zeksie: what is the general buff display like, if its anything like buffalo id like to check that out, and if im not a pally would i be able to specify the buffing for pallies as a raid leader? |
03:06.01 | Yssaril | just as is atm it dosnt even ahve a config :P |
03:06.15 | Zeksie | it's not a buff bar mod. let's get this straight from the start ;) |
03:06.38 | Zhinjio | my last UI had: http://geo.trippy.org/images/zjui8/all-UF.jpg |
03:06.42 | Zhinjio | to make my point |
03:06.51 | Zhinjio | I just like having everything in one place so my eyes don't have to wander |
03:06.58 | mytos | Zeksie: i dont use buffalo as a bar, i basically use it to move and resize my buffs currently |
03:07.04 | Zeksie | it's an auto buffer. the popup raid view doubles to let you rebuff ppl on a click (it'll highlight ppl missing stuff) |
03:07.17 | Yssaril | for party/raid i was thinking something like http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1130/partytestgf8.jpg 2 semicircles interlocked (though circular bars are kind of a recourcehog when it comes to update them) |
03:07.18 | RaydenUni | you guys know if the servers are more stable now? |
03:07.33 | kenlyric | no |
03:07.41 | Zhinjio | ah, nice. |
03:07.43 | RaydenUni | you don't know or they are still unstable? |
03:07.49 | kenlyric | still unstable |
03:07.53 | RaydenUni | bummer |
03:08.02 | mytos | Zeksie: ok so its more like pallypower/bigbrother smashed together? |
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03:08.36 | Groktar | oooh |
03:08.44 | Groktar | 2 decursers for archimonde |
03:08.45 | Zeksie | yeah. kinda pallypower, bb, smartbuff combo |
03:08.47 | Groktar | this should be fun |
03:08.59 | Zeksie | but goes so far beyond pallypowre |
03:09.34 | Zeksie | once you tell it who's a druid tank/healer, dps warrior etc. you'll never need worry about assignments again |
03:09.58 | Cryect | Yssaril, why not just make a Yin and Yang while you are it |
03:10.07 | Zeksie | has a self buff module too of course. |
03:10.19 | Zeksie | auto crusader aura, and all that stuff |
03:10.37 | Yssaril | Cryect: thought about it but way to much of a pain to get to fill properly :P |
03:10.42 | Cryect | hehe |
03:10.53 | Cryect | was just thinking that object looks so much like it kinda :-p |
03:11.00 | Kaelten | Gngsk: send the email and mention your old name and that you lost the password, and I'll reset it for you |
03:11.25 | Yssaril | yea its kinda where i got the idea for the portential look |
03:11.26 | Gngsk | Kaelten, ok will do that, thanks. |
03:11.30 | Yssaril | *potential |
03:13.03 | Yssaril | what u think of the blind guy version http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1324/wowscrnshot031108221156ua7.jpg :P |
03:13.57 | Cryect | uh |
03:13.58 | Xinhuan | i think your border coloring of the debuffs |
03:14.03 | Xinhuan | should be based on not the distance |
03:14.06 | Xinhuan | to the center |
03:14.13 | Xinhuan | but should be the color of the type of debuff |
03:14.20 | Xinhuan | aka blue for magic, purple for curses, etc |
03:14.23 | Zhinjio | that would make me blind. |
03:14.24 | Xinhuan | green for poisons |
03:14.25 | Yssaril | Xinhuan: i jsut did it this way for testing :P |
03:14.27 | mytos | Zeksie: would it save setups across raids? so if i have a core group of 20 and all my buffers are in that group itll stick? |
03:14.51 | Yssaril | btw anyway to detect that for buffs? i know UnitDeBuffs returns with a type |
03:14.52 | Zeksie | yup |
03:15.14 | Xinhuan | mytos, my understanding is that, its a 1-click setup, so remembering setups is kinda redundant ;p |
03:15.19 | Zeksie | it doesn't matter which paladins join the raid, you can just click generate on the manager and it'll work out who can do what and which players you have and set it all up |
03:15.23 | CIA-9 | 03totalpackage * r64311 10CloseUp/ (CloseUp.toc core.lua): |
03:15.23 | CIA-9 | CloseUp |
03:15.23 | CIA-9 | - toc update, enabled warlock's pets support |
03:15.38 | mytos | Zeksie: and will it require all my raiders to run it aswell, it took me weeks to get them on omen, itll take me forever to get them on this if we all have to run it |
03:15.43 | Zeksie | nope |
03:15.49 | Yssaril | and the current gradient is not actuall from the center :P but just a i/40 where i is the aura frame number :P |
03:15.58 | Zeksie | the paladins, maybe.. Although it will interface with PallyPower (this needs heavier testing) |
03:16.42 | Zeksie | has a chat responder too, so picky druids who like to tank and dps can remotely request salv or whatever as and when they need to |
03:17.39 | mytos | Zeksie: at this point i love you, after testing this may change to absolute hatred for making me fall in love with an impossible concept lol |
03:18.00 | home|prophy | anyone edit magictrack's .lua file how do i tell it to Grow DOWN...instead of UP |
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03:21.48 | NeoTron | man whomever said that Forte Warlock is bad is correct |
03:23.20 | CIA-9 | 03next96 * r64312 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-koKR.lua: |
03:23.20 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
03:23.20 | CIA-9 | - Update locale koKR |
03:23.40 | mytos | Zeksie: its not lookin good i got an error right off the bat lol |
03:23.58 | Gngsk | home|prophy, any reason you're using magictrack over afflicted? |
03:25.02 | Zeksie | do tell |
03:25.16 | Yssaril | NeoTron: i could have told you that before you tried it :P |
03:26.03 | mytos | something to do with "ipairs" i clicked it off but if you want the exact error i can relog |
03:26.23 | Zeksie | pls |
03:26.46 | Zeksie | had to do some reworking to make the packages work, so might have overlooked something |
03:27.49 | Zeksie | will delete my config too. should have done that really |
03:34.34 | NeoTron | Yssaril: the arch example of why people asks for "aced" versions |
03:34.47 | Yssaril | lol |
03:36.34 | Yssaril | anyone know of a way to get the bufftype of a particular buff for your target? |
03:36.47 | NeoTron | I think my next addon will be a warlock addon |
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03:38.08 | RaydenUni | so they put up a list of servers to do maintenance on tomorrow morning |
03:38.13 | RaydenUni | Destromath is not on the list |
03:38.15 | RaydenUni | why not? |
03:38.17 | CIA-9 | 03pachelbel * r64313 10MoBuffs/ (75 files in 26 dirs): MoBuffs: Initial check in. |
03:38.57 | mytos | Zeksie: you get that tell?. |
03:41.48 | Zeksie | mm./ no? |
03:42.04 | kenlyric | it'll be all of them by the morning, rayden |
03:42.10 | Zeksie | foudn a couple of problems with no config, so am going thru the startup |
03:42.14 | Zeksie | 2 mins |
03:42.15 | mytos | alright the error is in ZOMGbuffs_buffTehTaid.lua 683: bad argument #1 to 'iaprs' (table expected, got nil |
03:42.41 | ckknight | Taid? |
03:42.55 | Zeksie | He typed that i think :) |
03:43.09 | Zeksie | prolly same error with all modules |
03:43.13 | kenlyric | i'll buff your taid, baby |
03:44.20 | Zeksie | mytos: what's you class&level on that one? |
03:45.36 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r64314 10LibDogTag-3.0/ (Compiler.lua Modules/Misc.lua test.lua): |
03:45.36 | CIA-9 | LibDogTag-3.0 - optimizations |
03:45.36 | CIA-9 | - when doing [Alpha:~Bravo(...)], if Bravo returns nil, then return Alpha instead of "True", which makes more sense all in all, especially if ~Bravo is an alias for something else |
03:45.36 | CIA-9 | - add tag IsIn, e.g. ['Alpha':IsIn('Bravo', 'Charlie')] => nil, [1:IsIn(1, 2, 3)] => 1 |
03:45.38 | CIA-9 | - add tag Hide, alias for ~IsIn, e.g. ['Alpha':Hide('Bravo', 'Charlie')] => "Alpha", [1:Hide(1, 2, 3)] => nil |
03:45.40 | CIA-9 | - fix unaliasing bug |
03:48.00 | RaydenUni | anyone else feel that helboars seem to aggro from a much farther range than other mobs? |
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03:49.24 | Yssaril | they have a keen sense of smell RaydenUni |
03:49.31 | kenlyric | distances are funny sometimes |
03:49.42 | kenlyric | they're larger than other boars. |
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03:53.27 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64315 10ZOMGBuffs/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
03:53.27 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs |
03:53.27 | CIA-9 | - Fixed blank config error with Blessings Manager |
03:53.27 | CIA-9 | - Fixed wrong class expected in Raid Buffer |
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03:54.07 | RaydenUni | wow almost got eaten by a fel reaver |
03:56.57 | kenlyric | is this your first time in outland? |
03:57.57 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r64316 10Recount2/ (GUI_Details.lua GUI_List.lua Recount2.lua Recount2.toc): |
03:57.57 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
03:57.58 | CIA-9 | -Adds Detail Windows which allow you to group on data and drill down on the grouping you want at each layer currently only lets you select the top grouping |
04:00.06 | RaydenUni | no |
04:00.17 | RaydenUni | 2nd character |
04:00.22 | RaydenUni | i hated helboars just as much the first time around |
04:00.49 | RaydenUni | something i didn't notice before |
04:01.00 | RaydenUni | all the first quests seem to be me either feral leather stuff or caster leather stuff |
04:01.06 | RaydenUni | but not both at the same time |
04:01.40 | RaydenUni | so i am getting a feral set and a resto/caster set at the same time |
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04:05.46 | WobWork | I always find my early 60s are like "Hi2uBoaromgomgomgnotthefacenotthefacearrgh" |
04:06.12 | WobWork | Although it's good training for aggro range understanding |
04:06.42 | mytos | i think hellfire should have been in the game prebc to teach hunter raid awareness before running mc and bwl |
04:06.49 | RaydenUni | hellfire peninsula just sucks |
04:06.58 | RaydenUni | if after 60 levels you don't understand aggro range you have no hope |
04:07.05 | RaydenUni | heh |
04:07.29 | mytos | i dunno, aggro ranges before outland and after are way different imo |
04:07.45 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r64317 10AckisRecipeList/Locals/ARLLocals-zhCN.lua: |
04:07.45 | CIA-9 | AckisRecipeList: |
04:07.45 | CIA-9 | - zhCN localization update |
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04:09.25 | Zeksie | mytos: don't think tells working from you? erm.. what was ur class and level when you had that error, and did you run it unpackaged or as it was on svn? |
04:10.18 | mytos | yeah i dont think your gettin em, the error i listed was from the packaged on the website. |
04:11.04 | mytos | i just pulled it off the updater and the old error is gone but im getting a new one, same lua file but the error is 561: attempt to index upvalue 'template' |
04:11.37 | Zeksie | yes. just posted fix for that one which prolly isbn't on wau yet |
04:11.53 | mytos | ok, can i request a feature |
04:11.57 | Zeksie | prolly |
04:12.23 | mytos | i hate command prompt with a passion, any chance i can get a rightclick menu on the icon display? |
04:12.40 | Zeksie | there's a minimap/fubar icon atm. |
04:12.51 | Zeksie | the other floating icon is for the raid popup |
04:12.59 | Zeksie | and to tell u what's gonna get buffed |
04:13.01 | mytos | oh is there, i must have missed it, lemme dig around |
04:13.19 | Zeksie | purplish icon thing |
04:14.10 | mytos | nevermind, it decided to showup on an obscure part of fubar thats only supposed to show closegnome lol |
04:14.17 | Zeksie | heh |
04:15.33 | Zeksie | until u update, you can ignore the error. just select some default template that's provided for whichever one is missing one. |
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04:16.57 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07kemayo * r64318 10LibQuixote-2.0/LibQuixote-2.0.lua: LibQuixote-2.0: Missed updating an index, and thus Objective_Update callbacks weren't firing. |
04:18.34 | mytos | how long does it usually take between you uploading to the svn and it updating on the updater list |
04:19.21 | WobWork | 15min? |
04:19.37 | mytos | ok |
04:19.48 | mytos | Zeksie: you are an angel man |
04:19.55 | Kemayo | The script runs every 20 minutes. |
04:19.56 | Zeksie | \o/ |
04:20.37 | mytos | Zeksie: you just outdated like four mods and 5 macros man lol |
04:20.42 | Zeksie | heh |
04:21.18 | mytos | and the including ooc in it, touch of genius |
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04:21.42 | Zeksie | ooc? /blink |
04:22.01 | mytos | omen of clarity |
04:22.20 | Zeksie | oh. just that? that's all simple stuff |
04:23.54 | Zeksie | i don't have access to all classes, so some of the buffs it has listed for say warlocks or something else i don't have, might not make sense. but i'm sure someone will let me know when that happens. |
04:24.32 | Zeksie | since you're a druid, check out the auto-buy reagents thing |
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04:25.10 | mytos | yeah, already had it setup lol |
04:25.14 | Zeksie | heh |
04:25.38 | Zeksie | i've gotta make that so it puts new stacks into same bag you already have stuff of that type in, but that's a detail |
04:26.07 | mytos | what would it take to writeup a mod to make certain items only go in certain bags |
04:26.12 | RaydenUni | getting 1000 AP isn't nearly as exciting as getting 1000 shadow damage was |
04:26.27 | mytos | 1000ap on what class? |
04:26.57 | RaydenUni | druid |
04:27.03 | RaydenUni | cat |
04:27.10 | Zeksie | well. you'd have to catch inv changes and then see what new items were.. that would require remembering for a generic mod. i can make shortcuts tho since i know what i'm expecting to come |
04:27.22 | mytos | by the time you hit t4 youll be pushing 3k dude, 1k isnt alot lol |
04:27.34 | RaydenUni | i know |
04:27.41 | RaydenUni | i'm lvl 59 |
04:28.00 | RaydenUni | which is why getting 1000AP is less exciting than 1000 shadow |
04:28.06 | sag_ich_nicht | [01:40] <@Funkeh`> I emailed the dudes @ qfx software about keyscrambler not working with Fx3 b4, they emailed me back a working beta <--b4 is out? |
04:28.06 | sag_ich_nicht | nice |
04:28.16 | RaydenUni | my ~T5 shadow priest only has about 1080 shadow |
04:28.31 | mytos | Zeksie: basically id like something that would let me specify which bags gear go in, so when i go to the bank and hit the banker option in closetgnome its all isolate to 3 bags and not everywhere |
04:29.24 | Zeksie | yeha. i hate that.. visa versa too, when gnome scatters your gear all over bank.... grumble |
04:29.53 | RaydenUni | i've never noticed |
04:30.00 | RaydenUni | of course i didn't know gnome could send to bank |
04:30.04 | RaydenUni | and i use arkinventory |
04:30.24 | mytos | i could never get used to that |
04:30.32 | mytos | i tried, but it was just annoying |
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04:30.55 | Zeksie | that fix is on wau now |
04:31.03 | mytos | awesome |
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04:31.49 | Zeksie | if you deal with paladin buffs, you should check out the manager. you'll have to tell it to 'always load' to get it to show outside of raid, not being a paladin yourself |
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04:32.04 | mytos | alright |
04:32.25 | Murk | hello |
04:32.41 | Zeksie | anyway. i need to get to bed. it's 4:30am here. and i have to wake up in erm.. 3 hours. |
04:32.51 | mytos | later man |
04:32.57 | Zeksie | later |
04:33.00 | Murk | I've just formatted my computer and now I'm getting all my WoW addons. Do I have to download Ace 2 through WAU FIRST before I install the other addons? |
04:33.51 | Murk | anyone? |
04:34.00 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo 07Ace3 * r64319 10BetterQuest/modules/autotrack.lua: BetterQuestTracker: Objective_Update typo from earlier renaming. |
04:36.23 | Cryect | no WAU gets whatever it needs |
04:37.44 | Murk | thank you |
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04:58.12 | CIA-9 | 03cryect 072.4 * r64320 10Recount2/ (GUI_Details.lua GUI_Table.lua): |
04:58.12 | CIA-9 | Recount2: |
04:58.12 | CIA-9 | -Detail Window can drill down additional layers now example at http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9158/recount2detailprelimzq5.jpg |
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05:19.21 | CIA-9 | Enhancer: |
05:19.21 | CIA-9 | - fix zhCN |
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05:24.10 | CIA-9 | 03onlyfly * r64323 10Enhancer/locale/Localization-zhTW.lua: |
05:24.10 | CIA-9 | Enhancer: |
05:24.10 | CIA-9 | - fix zhTW |
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05:31.25 | CIA-9 | 037destiny 07RC1 * r64324 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: |
05:31.25 | CIA-9 | Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0 |
05:31.25 | CIA-9 | - Change UTF8 |
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06:16.16 | CIA-9 | 03slake333 * r64325 10Scrub/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
06:16.16 | CIA-9 | Scrub: 1.1.7 |
06:16.17 | CIA-9 | - DRUID: Removed Brutal Impact check |
06:16.17 | CIA-9 | - DRUID: Removed Brambles check |
06:16.17 | CIA-9 | - DRUID: Added Lorewanderer's Balance checks |
06:16.17 | CIA-9 | - HUNTER: FI without Animal Handler changed to require two points in Animal Handler |
06:16.19 | CIA-9 | - HUNTER: Barrage check removed |
06:16.30 | WobWork | We don't need no scrub? |
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06:39.18 | Saroz | need more buff addons for raid checking |
06:39.21 | Saroz | there simply ARENT enough |
06:39.24 | Saroz | amirite? |
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07:10.27 | Zhinjio | Good evening, Ellipsis. |
07:10.37 | CIA-10 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r64329 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: Ace3 - do not use the BOM UTF8 Header |
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07:11.41 | CIA-10 | 03nevcairiel 07RC1 * r64330 10Ace3/AceDBOptions-3.0/AceDBOptions-3.0.lua: Ace3 - AceDBOptions-3.0: change wording in enUS |
07:11.53 | Lukian | hmm is slake in here? |
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07:14.30 | MentalPower | nevcairiel: I'm curious, why not use UTF-8 BOM? |
07:14.54 | nevcairiel | because lua doesnt like it |
07:15.05 | MentalPower | WoW is fine with it |
07:15.28 | nevcairiel | but our testing scripts that run with standalone lua are not |
07:15.37 | MentalPower | ah, point |
07:15.53 | nevcairiel | and UTF-8 encoding without the header works fine too |
07:16.01 | nevcairiel | except your editor is awfully broken |
07:16.04 | MentalPower | yup |
07:18.27 | Arrowmaster | you can make lua accept utf8 boms fine |
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07:18.53 | MentalPower | how? |
07:19.07 | MentalPower | other than modifying the Lua binaries |
07:19.32 | Arrowmaster | other than modifying the binaries? no clue |
07:20.03 | MentalPower | ~lart Arrowmaster |
07:20.03 | purl | gives Arrowmaster an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Arrowmaster to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
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07:31.42 | ThePooBurner | does anyone know where i can find more complete documentation for Recount besides the 1 page that is in the wowace/wiki? |
07:32.24 | Nandini | there isn't any other documentation that i'm aware of |
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07:32.42 | Nandini | do you have a specific question? we might be able to help you with that |
07:33.01 | Bruners | do you really need documentation for it? |
07:33.41 | ThePooBurner | Well, it isn't clear if unchecking "Global data collection" will shut of all the monnitering or not |
07:33.46 | ThePooBurner | it seems to, though |
07:34.00 | Nandini | i have no clue what that option does |
07:34.29 | ThePooBurner | Also, i want to delete a specific attack/mob from the database since it is hosing over my stats. The Fire Bomb on the Horde Halaa Guards. |
07:34.50 | ThePooBurner | 4.8 million damage kind of scews the results of the rest of my attacks |
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07:35.23 | Nandini | if you click your name in the damage done list, it will show you all the abilities you used |
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07:35.37 | Nandini | find the firebomb one, right click on it, there may be an option to delete that |
07:35.38 | ThePooBurner | Pretty much i want to delete everyone besides me from the database, and track only me |
07:35.51 | ThePooBurner | yes i know, but in the graph screen that comes up i cannot delete attacks |
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07:36.29 | ThePooBurner | left or right clicking merly highlights/stickies the attack you are looking at rather than switching to the others on mouseover |
07:36.39 | Nandini | in that case, in options, uncheck "show" and "record" data for everyone except "self" |
07:37.17 | Nandini | and reset your data collection after you finish halaa |
07:37.27 | ThePooBurner | Which people do "grouped" and "ungrouped" refer to? |
07:37.41 | Nandini | that refers to friendly players in your group, or not in your group, that you see combat log events for |
07:37.59 | ThePooBurner | well, i don't want to nuke the whole database. I am keeping a running total of everything that I do. |
07:38.01 | ThePooBurner | ok |
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07:38.51 | ThePooBurner | I could go through the lua myself, but my name appears so many times throughout the table that i have no condifence in editing the database correctly |
07:39.20 | Nandini | why do you need a running total? recount is really geared toward analyzing your performance for a specific timeframe, not for all eternity |
07:40.06 | Nandini | plus if you have different gear or different buffs, the information won't really be comparable over time |
07:40.53 | ThePooBurner | Hmm. That is a good point about gear and such |
07:41.27 | ThePooBurner | Though knowing how much dmage i've ever done with a specific attack *is* fun to know |
07:41.56 | Nandini | your computer will eventually grind to a halt, no matter how much memory you have, if you never clear recount's data. heheh |
07:42.35 | ThePooBurner | I've had recount for 4 levels now, 63-67, and the file is ~10mb |
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07:43.00 | ThePooBurner | though i had a few "recods" set that i probably didn't need to since the documentation doesn't exist |
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07:46.14 | zypher | herro out dar |
07:46.20 | zypher | @ 12:46 am |
07:46.21 | zypher | :) |
07:46.26 | ThePooBurner | Ahh, i think i've just figured out how to clear the DB of everyone but me. checking the "show in main window" box for everything just put them all in the list, so now i can delete them all |
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07:48.51 | zypher | :L |
07:48.56 | ThePooBurner | Wel, i guess that is it. Thanks for the help with the check boxes. I should be able to collect just what i want now |
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07:49.41 | CIA-10 | 03barfolomeu * r64331 10/branches/FlightHUD/ (FlightHUD.lua FlightHUD.toc): FlightHUD: Fix bug that caused the HUD to show at all times. |
07:51.12 | CIA-10 | 03barfolomeu * r64332 10FlightHUD/ (FlightHUD.lua FlightHUD.toc): FlightHUD: Fix bug that caused the HUD to show at all times. Merge from releases -r 64331. |
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07:54.41 | Orionshock | question, does pally's Vindication work on VR in TK? |
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08:07.54 | Thorgard | Orionshock, I believe it's one of the few bosses it does work on, yeah. In 2.3 anyway.. in 2.4, not so much. |
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08:39.51 | Orionshock | hum... |
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08:40.15 | Orionshock | me thinks next addon i make will help with raid leading with some simple frames and predefined yells |
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08:40.58 | keiss | predefined yells will get ignored by the raiders eventually ... :) |
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08:45.22 | Orionshock | well things like heal assignments and "PULLING" |
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08:53.45 | nEWm | can somebody tell me how to add casting bars for my raid members in grid^^? |
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08:54.28 | keiss | dont think you can |
08:55.02 | nEWm | i saw some movies with "raid" castingbars, do you know another addon for this maybe?^^ pls |
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08:55.54 | Elsia | morning |
08:56.02 | keiss | (why would you want to know what 25ppl are casting at the same time ?) |
08:56.30 | nEWm | i have to analyse the play stile of some members to improve it |
08:56.31 | Orionshock | some ppl like to look at useless junk |
08:57.08 | keiss | nEWm: and you manage to do it for multiple people at the same time ? just set who you want as Focus target and use quartz for example ? |
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08:57.12 | evl | nEWm: use /focus=? |
08:57.24 | Zeksie | well. u could use a parser and see how many shadow bolts, whatever one warlock shoots compared to another. as an example |
08:57.51 | Zeksie | activity time would be useful too if you're hunting slackers |
08:58.04 | keiss | actually the default UI has casting bars too now , so just setting focus target = win |
08:58.22 | nEWm | many thanks, i will try it |
08:58.53 | evl | keiss: default ui doesn't have a focus frame :P |
08:59.07 | syeren | Just use WWS, problem solved. |
08:59.45 | keiss | evl: right ... iam too used to addons :D |
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09:29.24 | CIA-10 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64333 10WitchHunt/ (4 files in 2 dirs): WitchHunt: descriptions are sexeh |
09:30.01 | Stanzilla | Kaelten: fish restart plx :) |
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10:02.33 | CIA-10 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64335 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua): WitchHunt: some plumbing and remove npc emote support, shite anyway |
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10:14.32 | CIA-10 | 03zeksie * r64336 10ZOMGBuffs/ (12 files in 7 dirs): |
10:14.33 | CIA-10 | ZOMGBuffs |
10:14.33 | CIA-10 | - Removed colourizing from toc files for author name (looked poop in WAU). |
10:14.33 | CIA-10 | - Won't depend on SharedMedia-3.0, but will use any that exist. |
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10:17.39 | Orionshock | Zeksie: the ZOMGBuff mod of yours, the manager, does it synch with other clients? |
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10:19.54 | Orionshock | aparently so |
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10:22.03 | CIA-10 | 03endeavour * r64337 10BossTalk/ (BossTalk.lua embeds.xml): BossTalk: minor fixes |
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10:24.56 | [Endeavour] | Is there any DewDrop or something similar available with Ace3? |
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10:26.27 | Orionshock | [Endeavour]: no |
10:26.41 | [Endeavour] | :( |
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10:28.23 | Orionshock | dewdrop got shamed into oblivion, devs are itchie with making another dewdrop anything |
10:32.50 | Zeksie | *shrug* I like it.. |
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10:34.59 | dylanm | Asking most people to configure things with Dewdrop is cruel and you know it. |
10:35.31 | Elsia | dewdrop is fine, but not for everything |
10:35.37 | Zeksie | depends how many options there are really. if there's 80 menus or so, then yeah. prolly |
10:35.59 | Elsia | dropdown menus have use, and dewdrop does do more things than the default blizz dropdowns. just in many cases just using the blizz one is fine and faster |
10:36.12 | Elsia | there really should be a libstubbed dewdrop |
10:38.18 | Zeksie | ggrumble... i hate that ace3 replaces the ace2 /print command... i know i can use /dump, but i was quite happy in the habit of typing /print.. |
10:38.24 | Orionshock | wtb incubators tablet fixed :\ |
10:38.57 | Elsia | I miss /rl actually, but I should just write a tiny addon that offers that I guess :P, and possibly /print |
10:39.19 | Zeksie | i thought it had /rl |
10:39.35 | Elsia | nope |
10:40.12 | Orionshock | Elsia: ace console and ace3-SA provide it |
10:40.30 | Elsia | what's ace3-sa? |
10:40.38 | Orionshock | stand-alone |
10:40.57 | Elsia | hmm |
10:41.07 | Elsia | I see. I embed ace3 so no /rl |
10:41.12 | Orionshock | meh |
10:41.20 | Zeksie | ace3:OnInit... register bla ("rl"). |
10:41.25 | Orionshock | i run standalone because im ocd |
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10:41.52 | Elsia | I think standalone is fine, but I gotta test with ace3 embedded because loads of people will run it that way |
10:42.02 | Orionshock | very true |
10:42.07 | Orionshock | had that problem myself |
10:43.10 | Elsia | hmm i see ace3.lua also registers print |
10:43.24 | Zeksie | yeah, does it in main OnInitialize |
10:43.47 | Orionshock | ya, much debate about putting those 2 things in... |
10:43.52 | Orionshock | much resistance |
10:43.56 | Elsia | hmm gief disembedded ace3.lua :D |
10:44.10 | Zeksie | if they're gonna replace the same command, it really needs to do the same thing |
10:44.41 | Orionshock | i'd like to disable the thing. |
10:44.47 | Elsia | I could have lived with ace3 not providing these... just a separate little addon doing it. but it's not a big deal unless you are hyper-minimalist |
10:44.49 | Orionshock | but i use /dump from what prat does |
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10:45.07 | Orionshock | Elsia: hence it's only in standalone :D |
10:46.09 | Elsia | maybe I'll hack my own little ace3slash.lua which doesn't embed anything so I can still test embedded ace3 |
10:46.43 | Orionshock | there was talk about a "Ace3Debug" but it got nix'ed iirc |
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10:56.25 | Elsia | alright, have my little SlashAce3 now, which just provides /rl and /print without embedding all of ace3 |
10:57.51 | selckin | when did this framework hate beging? |
10:58.01 | selckin | or more importantly why |
10:58.36 | Grum | and why call it slash ace? |
10:58.44 | Grum | thats just pathetic :) |
10:58.57 | Elsia | I think it's funny :D |
10:59.06 | Elsia | and it's SlashAce3 :D |
10:59.15 | Grum | sigh |
10:59.21 | Grum | about as funny as calling you a moron i guess |
10:59.22 | Elsia | like Ace3Slash better? |
10:59.27 | Zeksie | mmm. does WAU default to having Unpack Addons to OFF? |
10:59.38 | Grum | no its defaultly on Zeksie |
10:59.42 | Zeksie | i thought so |
10:59.53 | Elsia | what's distinctly not funny is the lack of ability to take things lightly |
10:59.54 | Zeksie | two new users in guild having problems and it was off for both of them |
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11:00.08 | Zeksie | swearing they didn't touch it |
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11:01.31 | Elsia | sel: read grum and understand why there is hate: thin skins, lack of humor, latent aggression... some reasons but not all. there are good reasons too like trying to make things better, having sensible memory footprints and efficiency etc. |
11:02.06 | Grum | Elsia: the thing is you aggrevate people because you think its fun |
11:02.31 | Grum | surely no-one should 'hate' for something like this, i wont at least :) |
11:02.34 | Elsia | grum: I wasn't even aware that it was a problem until you threw the words pathetic and moron around |
11:02.45 | Elsia | I love ace3 and still can call an addon SlashAce3 |
11:02.54 | Grum | and you confuse everyone? |
11:03.02 | Elsia | the lack of humor is the problem not how you name some innoccent _unreleased_ personal addon |
11:03.13 | Grum | omg you will release it? ;D |
11:03.17 | Elsia | I confuse everyone by calling an addon that only I use SlashAce3? |
11:03.21 | Elsia | I should |
11:03.31 | Elsia | just because some people want to have long IRC arguments over an addon name |
11:03.31 | Grum | you should, it will prolly be purged because it clashes ;D |
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11:04.01 | Elsia | wanna know the real reason why I called it SlashAce3? |
11:04.19 | Elsia | because I thought Ace3Slash would give the false impression it's part of Ace3 proper |
11:04.37 | Elsia | but people are so thin skinned that everything is problematic... I really wonder why |
11:04.47 | Snago | Should call it SlashAsAce3 imho ;) |
11:04.57 | Zeksie | and so much snappier than "ElsiasHackModToGivePrintAndRlCommands" |
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11:05.07 | Elsia | hehe |
11:05.20 | Elsia | AddonNameToPissOfGrum works too it seems |
11:05.32 | Grum | nah i can live with that;D |
11:05.59 | Elsia | so we literally had a discussion about an addon that only I use, that's funny actually :D |
11:06.38 | Grum | yeah :D |
11:06.44 | Grum | great isnt it? :) |
11:07.03 | Grum | but on a serious note, i think you've missed all the massive flamewars around frameworks :D |
11:07.30 | Elsia | I've had enough of the little that I saw already |
11:08.04 | Ellipsis | o rly? |
11:08.09 | Grum | yarly! |
11:08.18 | Snago | Hmm... X-AceForum in the toc don't work anymore? |
11:08.19 | Ellipsis | oh now it's on |
11:08.21 | [Endeavour] | stop behaving like kids |
11:08.30 | Ellipsis | no u! |
11:08.52 | Grum | ! |
11:08.56 | Ellipsis | ! |
11:09.01 | Elsia | . |
11:09.58 | Snago | lua> "Grum" and "Ellipsis" == "mature" |
11:09.59 | lua_bot | Snago: false |
11:10.19 | Grum | lua> "Ellipsis" == "mature" |
11:10.19 | lua_bot | Grum: false |
11:10.20 | Snago | Thats what I though |
11:10.22 | Grum | =D |
11:10.24 | Snago | t |
11:10.37 | Ellipsis | >:( |
11:10.46 | Grum | no need to add me to the equasion! |
11:10.56 | Elsia | I like the Grum: false |
11:11.18 | Grum | ~fail Grum |
11:11.19 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Grum. I hate you because you fail. |
11:11.25 | Grum | amagawd he got mean |
11:11.45 | Grum | psst Ellipsis, i am going to make that addon ;D |
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11:20.16 | Uhuru | hi |
11:22.00 | Uhuru | i want to report bugs for cryolysis2 but there is no contact information on http://wowace.com/wiki/Cryolysis_2, no official post on the forum and my bug report post on the forum seems to not be read by the devellopers, someone know how can i contact paene or belazor (the authors) ? |
11:22.45 | Grum | Ellipsis: http://dl.dwim.org/~ebroes/IRL/ ! |
11:23.13 | Ellipsis | jerk :( |
11:23.30 | Grum | my pleasure *bow* |
11:24.23 | Industrial | lol |
11:24.49 | Ellipsis | hay what are you laughing at :( |
11:25.23 | Orionshock | <PROTECTED> |
11:25.25 | Orionshock | :D |
11:25.58 | sacarasc | grats? |
11:25.59 | Uhuru | solarian is weak |
11:27.29 | sacarasc | that's quite a lot of spirit |
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11:31.00 | CIA-9 | 03grum * r64338 10IRL/: This addon will make Ellipsis crai \o/ |
11:31.18 | keiss | hm , twice now i encountared a weird bug in bartender (i guess), my inner focus icon is ready , but i cant use it from the bar (works from spellbook), rest of the abilities on the bar work ok ... |
11:31.42 | Industrial | Grum: dont put it on the SVN :| |
11:31.47 | Industrial | Grum: thats pollution |
11:31.59 | sacarasc | lol |
11:32.18 | Ellipsis | Industrial: and when the great SVN cleanup comes and destroys !AlarLib for good, I'm sure IRL will go with it |
11:32.27 | Industrial | thats not the point |
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11:34.21 | lhunath | and when will that be? |
11:34.39 | Uhuru | is paene come here sometimes ? |
11:34.45 | Ellipsis | ~seen paene |
11:34.46 | purl | paene <n=Jim@24-236-181-169.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 28d 13h 57m 42s ago, saying: 'depends on the group makeup :)'. |
11:34.52 | Ellipsis | guess not lately |
11:34.54 | Uhuru | 28 days :/ |
11:34.58 | Uhuru | ok thank's |
11:35.18 | Uhuru | ~seen belazor |
11:35.19 | purl | belazor <n=Vulcanus@217-233-160.231210.adsl.tele2.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 60d 16h 40m 6s ago, saying: 'remind*'. |
11:35.26 | Uhuru | lol |
11:35.48 | CIA-9 | 03elkano * r64339 10Mendeleev/ (Mendeleev.lua Mendeleev.toc): Mendeleev: fixed double data on recipes |
11:36.09 | Ellipsis | lhunath: the "when" isn't important. what's important is that we have faith in our leaders to do the right thing! |
11:36.17 | Orionshock | did they shit the ptr and redo alot of stuf? |
11:37.14 | CIA-9 | 03grum * r64340 10IRL/ (IRL.lua IRL.toc): |
11:37.14 | CIA-9 | IRL: |
11:37.14 | CIA-9 | - With files now! (does nothing ofc) |
11:37.41 | Grum | but now you can tell your friends you has irl! |
11:37.44 | Grum | and you wont be lying! |
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11:38.40 | Grum | you cant has one Ellipsis ! |
11:38.48 | Ellipsis | =[ |
11:39.01 | Grum | now code! *cracks whip* |
11:39.29 | Fin | hey, so, you know Second Life? |
11:39.31 | Grum | then again, i bet its one of the smallest addons you have ;D |
11:39.40 | Grum | and you can even optimize it away! |
11:40.06 | Fin | and people can like, create all sorts of stuff, whatever they want, as part of the virtual environment there? |
11:40.20 | Zhinjio | Fin: yes |
11:40.21 | Grum | arent we living that? |
11:40.25 | Fin | I wonder if anyone's made a virtual WoW |
11:40.41 | Grum | prolly not, i've taken a look once and it made me crai |
11:40.49 | Grum | even on my nintendo 8bit shit looked cooler |
11:40.51 | Ellipsis | my mom plays second life :( |
11:40.52 | Zhinjio | so your avatar will sit at a desk and be motionless for hours on end while chatting virtually with others? |
11:41.01 | [Endeavour] | local goodlife = { ["Good Job"] = true, ["nice wife"] = true, ["Phat car"] = true, } usw ?^^ |
11:41.04 | Grum | motionless? |
11:41.21 | Grum | when i chat with Ellipsis i surely am not! |
11:41.28 | Grum | at least my hands move |
11:42.01 | Ellipsis | local goodlife = { ["No Job"] = true, ["No Wife"] = true, ["Endless money and sex"] = true } |
11:42.03 | Ellipsis | imo |
11:42.11 | [Endeavour] | rofl |
11:42.13 | [Endeavour] | haha |
11:42.29 | Zhinjio | nice if you can get it, I suppose. |
11:42.37 | Ellipsis | :) |
11:42.39 | Zhinjio | anyway, on that note, I need to sleep. Peace y'all. |
11:42.45 | Ellipsis | night Zhinjio |
11:42.51 | Grum | i has job, i has gf, i has no life, i has wow, i has cookies, i has cats, i has happy! |
11:43.04 | [Endeavour] | but mh, goodlife[1] != goodlife[3] ! |
11:43.07 | Grum | oh .. i has house! |
11:43.17 | Ellipsis | [Endeavour]: then you're doing it wrong |
11:43.25 | Grum | i has Ellipsis |
11:43.35 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r64341 10/branches/SlashAce3/: |
11:43.35 | CIA-9 | SlashAce3: |
11:43.35 | CIA-9 | - Initial Import. Provides /rl and /print shorthand for debugging. Use when you don't have ace3.lua or other sources that provide this (embedded testng of ace3 for example). |
11:43.35 | CIA-9 | - Dedicated to Grum who needs to grow a sense of humor. |
11:43.36 | CIA-9 | - SlashAce3 is a friend of all frameworks and considers big addons equal but different. SlashAce3 shuns the word "bloat" as misused and unfriendly. |
11:43.40 | Grum | hahaha :D |
11:44.03 | Grum | Elsia: you know that there is something like DevTools right? :D |
11:44.05 | [Endeavour] | best commit ever :D |
11:44.07 | Ellipsis | at least name the addon something remotely related to what it does |
11:44.24 | Grum | Ellipsis: haha dont bother, i got shunned, pinned and shamed already ;D |
11:44.35 | Grum | lets just stop at worshipping with you kk ? |
11:44.44 | Ellipsis | um, k |
11:44.54 | Ellipsis | but Elsia likes me :( |
11:45.20 | Grum | ah well, i am fairly sure i used a smiley when i typed the message that it was stupid |
11:45.30 | Grum | but hell, i am named now! mruahahaha ./me profits |
11:45.35 | JoshBorke | Elsia: should have called it RockSlashAce |
11:45.41 | Grum | Ellipsis: i has my name in addon, sex? |
11:46.11 | Grum | i'm off making a bug report for SlashAce3 :D |
11:47.44 | Grum | omg someone drowned fish! (its not working for some reason) |
11:48.11 | dylanm | Grum: Yeah noticed that around midday yesterday. |
11:48.44 | Grum | it works ocasionally |
11:48.49 | Grum | but the html ends up being garbled |
11:48.56 | Grum | look at: |
11:48.57 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
11:48.57 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
11:49.00 | Grum | that just isnt right ;D |
11:49.05 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r64342 10/branches/SlashAce3/ (SlashAce3.lua SlashAce3.toc): |
11:49.05 | CIA-9 | SlashAce3: |
11:49.05 | CIA-9 | - Added actual content. |
11:49.31 | Ellipsis | Grum: it always does that |
11:49.39 | Ellipsis | large files have like a 50% chance to make it choke |
11:49.54 | Grum | kek |
11:50.22 | Ellipsis | I don't know what it thinks it's doing |
11:51.10 | Orionshock | aaa Zeksie ... your addon suffers from inspect lag |
11:51.13 | Grum | pssst Elsia, you clearly lengthened the debate! :D |
11:51.27 | Elsia | grum: I'll do my best to shorten it |
11:52.04 | Elsia | the debate continues because people can't loosen up. if something like that addon ticks off anybody, that's the problem of anybody not the addon |
11:52.28 | Ellipsis | your addon is poorly named, doesn't that bother you? |
11:52.53 | Grum | oh well .. my first relevant line: [11:58:44] <Grum> thats just pathetic :) |
11:52.54 | Elsia | that's a good point though, but a lot of addons around are really poorly named |
11:53.00 | Grum | AMAGAWZ it has smiley! |
11:53.06 | Ellipsis | true, but very few are so blatantly misleading |
11:53.13 | Grum | Elsia: so because other people are stupid you can be stupid as well? |
11:53.16 | Elsia | it's not meant to be misleading |
11:53.23 | Ellipsis | at first glance I'd assime "SlashAce3" had something to do with, I dunno, the /ace3 command |
11:53.24 | Grum | go go jump of bridges! others do it as well! :D |
11:53.38 | Elsia | it has |
11:53.47 | Elsia | it's all that ace3.lua provides except that /ace3 command |
11:53.53 | Ellipsis | it has nothing to do with ace3 at all, as you pointed out so strongly |
11:54.03 | Grum | at second glance if expect it to be a diss to Ace3 because the user thinks its bloated .. so 'hereby i present the useful parts!' |
11:54.16 | Ellipsis | if SlashAce3 provides everything *but* /ace3, do you not see how that's misleading? |
11:54.17 | Elsia | it used to use ace3 until grum started bickering about the name |
11:54.35 | Elsia | not really, /ace3 got slashed, and i kept the rest |
11:54.53 | Grum | you know they are planning to remove /ace3? :D |
11:54.56 | Ellipsis | the history doesn't matter, as you said that's just on your local computer |
11:54.59 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64343 10ZOMGBuffs/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
11:54.59 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs |
11:54.59 | CIA-9 | - Fixed some issues when running modules directly, rather than LoD. |
11:54.59 | CIA-9 | - Wait for class/group and Info display options now default to ON. |
11:55.12 | Ellipsis | the fact is, an addon named SlashAce3 doesn't provide /ace3 or any ace-related stuff at all |
11:55.21 | Zeksie | Are you STILL going on about that?! |
11:55.22 | Grum | Zeksie: lol ... bad commit when we are talking about sucky addon names :D |
11:55.31 | Zeksie | ZOMGBuffs is a great name! |
11:55.44 | Elsia | I committed to branches on purpose. I agree that this should never be on trunk with this name |
11:55.45 | Grum | as is: ILTFZITA! |
11:55.59 | Ellipsis | why is it ok in branches and not in trunk? |
11:56.08 | Grum | Ellipsis: never say i didnt warn you! |
11:56.16 | Grum | [12:44:24] <Grum> Ellipsis: haha dont bother, i got shunned, pinned and shamed already ;D |
11:56.32 | dylanm | Wait but it uses the libs... heh. |
11:56.39 | Grum | hehe indeed |
11:56.59 | Grum | but Zeksie, what does your addon do? |
11:57.21 | Nandini | the fact is, an addon named PitBull doesn't provide any dogs or dog-related stuff at all. |
11:57.29 | Elsia | ellipsis: maybe because trunk are release/beta addons and the branches allow us to experiment? |
11:57.40 | Zeksie | auto buffer, raid buff overview. paladin buff auto assignments (talent/player aware, and considers raid member sub-classes) |
11:57.42 | Grum | Nandini: oooh i talked to them about that already :) |
11:57.54 | Grum | Elsia: you experiment in trunk, not in branches |
11:57.57 | Grum | doh! |
11:57.58 | Nandini | at least Chinchila provides two cuddly critters :) |
11:57.58 | Ellipsis | Nandini: and I doubt any users expect it to |
11:57.59 | Snago | "I downloaded BigWigs, but I'm still bald :(" |
11:58.07 | dylanm | You're thinking of other svns ;p |
11:58.21 | Grum | dylanm: no, especially on the wowace svn you *HAVE* to have an unstable trunk |
11:58.22 | Elsia | SlashAce3 is in the great naming traditions of SnaFu, FuBar, Chincilla, Pitbull, Rock, BigWigs |
11:58.28 | Zeksie | some emphasis on easy rebuffing in combat. you can just popup the raid list and right click on whoever needs it, they'll be highlighted. you'll also see the buff time remaining bars on that list for your buff |
11:58.29 | Grum | that is just a sheer must for proper wowace devving! |
11:58.34 | dylanm | Grum: Keeps the forums active. |
11:58.53 | Ellipsis | Elsia: not really. it's not nonsense, it's actually misleading. |
11:58.54 | Grum | anyhow, i have to hold up my [PURE SARCASM]-sign else people wont get it =D |
11:59.12 | Elsia | ellipsis: what you call misleading, I call humor |
11:59.37 | Elsia | really people need to lighten up, it's just a name for a dev addon |
11:59.42 | Grum | Ellipsis: shall we take revenge and add Elsia's mother to IRL.lua? you have my permission =D |
11:59.47 | dylanm | Hm. |
11:59.49 | Nandini | i'm sure if people take the unusual initiative of actually downloading something from branches (with an informative commit message like that) they can take the initiative to uninstall it if it doesn't do what they expect |
12:00.02 | Grum | Elsia: as said before, DevTools is prolly what you really wanted :D |
12:00.19 | Elsia | grum: I wanted /rl and /print ;) |
12:00.32 | dylanm | Now in the original Ace3.lua why does the author LibStub-load AceConsole again... |
12:00.39 | Grum | why not install LibRockConsole-1.0? :P |
12:00.50 | Elsia | DevTools is bloated too, I don't need dtchatevent |
12:00.51 | Fisker- | http://www.getdropbox.com/ <-lol |
12:00.52 | Grum | and AceConsole provides /rl and /print right? |
12:00.53 | dylanm | I mean it's embedded. |
12:01.04 | dylanm | At the top. |
12:01.08 | Fisker- | Given that the developer obviously is a /b/tard he's obviously going to steal our infos |
12:01.09 | Fisker- | :o |
12:01.15 | Elsia | grum: only if you disembed ace3 |
12:01.33 | Grum | er? |
12:01.36 | thul | hmm |
12:03.27 | dylanm | Only in http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace3/Ace3.lua in the standalone. AceConsole-3.0 doesn't define any slash commands on its own. |
12:03.42 | Grum | yeah spotted |
12:03.43 | Nandini | it really annoys me when people say "hit save" or "click off" instead of "click" or "close" |
12:04.11 | Grum | erm |
12:04.17 | Elsia | that's the reason why I made that little addon. I wanted to debug without a disembedded ace3 around |
12:04.29 | dylanm | I'm wondering why the author of this thing doesn't just use the embed he specified at the top. |
12:04.30 | Grum | so does either click or close is the same as 'hit save' ? :D |
12:04.44 | Nandini | ty Elsia, that makes testing much easier for me on the PTR, since i only have one Ace3 addon on there and it's running embedded |
12:04.56 | Grum | Nandini: use DevTools? :) |
12:05.01 | Elsia | nandini: exactly why I made it.. embedded testing for recount |
12:05.07 | Grum | unlike Rock, Ace can not '/print' tables |
12:05.19 | Grum | or /dump :) |
12:05.23 | Grum | for which its only useful tbh |
12:07.08 | Elsia | grum: you can use whatever you like actually. I think ace3.lua is just fine. I didn't make that addon to replace or void any other addon really |
12:07.31 | Grum | why didnt you just use the method used in Ace3.lua? |
12:07.56 | Elsia | I did initially, until I decided I wanted no dependencies. |
12:07.59 | Nandini | it works fine for my needs, a nice shortcut for /script ChatFrame1:AddMessage() and /console reloadui |
12:07.59 | dylanm | Because that would require Ace3, Grum. |
12:08.25 | Grum | it doesnt? |
12:08.42 | Elsia | not anymore no. first version did but then there was this odd reaction to its name |
12:09.03 | Grum | no fish sex unless its eels Fisker- |
12:09.14 | Grum | Elsia: who reacted to it?=D |
12:09.23 | Elsia | not sure anymore :P |
12:09.32 | Fisker- | definitely some eels |
12:09.33 | Grum | were they seriously? |
12:09.45 | Grum | prolly not right? =D |
12:10.01 | Nandini | personally, i like SlashAndBurnAce3 better, it's more violent |
12:10.02 | Elsia | I think people will love SlashAce3, it has a use. Basically saves you typing what Nandini says. |
12:10.22 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64344 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua): WitchHunt: plumbing for spell filters and haxed in description for sink output |
12:10.33 | Elsia | nah SlashAce3 is peaceful. See the original commit text. |
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12:10.51 | Elsia | SlashAce3 embraces all friendly addons, and Ace3 is one friendly framework! |
12:10.56 | Zeksie | just put a 5 page disclaimer when you log in saying that it's not the intent of the author to cause any problems with the mod name, and that they can contact your lawyer |
12:11.03 | Nandini | could you perhaps add a lovely slashing and burning animation whenever i print something? |
12:11.35 | Nandini | if not, maybe the "Verbal Combat" category would better fit this mod |
12:12.21 | Elsia | SlashAndBurn* addons are already reserved for people who engage in the silly framework wars |
12:14.19 | Zeksie | Grum: there's a ZOMGBuffs thread on forum you can look at for general info: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11887 |
12:14.26 | Orionshock | 2 shot solarin in tk, then wipe constantly on HKM.... |
12:14.30 | Orionshock | -.- |
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12:20.37 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64345 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: spellID filter in place, now to fix gui |
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12:29.39 | Fisker- | HKM? |
12:30.29 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r64346 10MobNotes/MobNotes.lua: MobNotes: Touchups/fixes to existing notes, no new ones. |
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12:33.25 | dylanm | High King Maulgar |
12:35.08 | Fisker- | oh |
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12:36.13 | Elkano | hmm... that could be fun... we plan on doing Kara with 10 Druids ^^ |
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12:38.33 | Elsia | maulgar is a very delicate pull actually, not too shameful to wipe there |
12:39.04 | Elsia | solarian definitely easier than maulgar in my book |
12:39.15 | Grum | yeah |
12:39.38 | Grum | Gruul's lair actually is really hard compared with Lurker/VR/Solarian |
12:39.49 | Elkano | well HKM isn't that hard in theory, too... only some people in the raid tend to be stupid, eg trying to tank the WL next to the mage after fear... |
12:41.11 | Elsia | maulgar is delicate positioning and coping with the felbeast types isn't totally trivial, solarian is: watch and run, then clump and AoE. |
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12:44.02 | Grum | VR: running healing .. bored! |
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12:48.54 | Anadale | Zeksie, are you here? |
12:49.16 | Zeksie | ye |
12:49.26 | Anadale | ZOMGBuffs is your addon, right? |
12:49.29 | Zeksie | yea |
12:49.42 | Zeksie | whatever it broke, i deny everything! |
12:49.59 | Anadale | :) |
12:50.07 | Anadale | no, just several questions |
12:50.12 | Zeksie | shoot |
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12:50.33 | Wogroipl_ | Grum: try healing VR as shaman just stand underneath him and spam chain heal.... that is boring |
12:50.37 | Anadale | 1) ZOMGBuffs-64343\ZOMGModulePrototype.lua:72: attempt to index field 'db' (a nil value) |
12:50.51 | Zeksie | 1) is fixed with the patch i did about 25 mins ago |
12:51.00 | Zeksie | oh.. no it's not |
12:51.02 | Zeksie | sec. |
12:51.20 | Grum | Wogroipl_: kek, try it as a priest ..., running arounds .. spamming CoH! |
12:51.57 | Zeksie | meh. stupid thing. you're loading it as modules yes, rather than LoD? |
12:51.59 | CIA-9 | 03trasher * r64347 10AtlasLoot/Constants/constants.fr.lua: |
12:51.59 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot: |
12:51.59 | CIA-9 | - frFR update |
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12:52.03 | Zeksie | damned out of order loading.. |
12:52.14 | Anadale | I've just installed it through WAU |
12:52.27 | Anadale | so I have no idea how am I loading it :) |
12:52.28 | Zeksie | Do you have the Unpack Addons ticked? |
12:52.56 | Anadale | no |
12:53.00 | Zeksie | tick it :) |
12:53.04 | Anadale | haha |
12:53.14 | Zeksie | and redo. prolly wanna redo most of your addons, cartographer etc. all come as packages |
12:53.27 | Grum | Zeksie: stop depending on that tbh |
12:53.29 | Zeksie | you don't wanna be loading the whole lot if you only need 3 mods |
12:53.38 | Zeksie | i'm not. that's just general advice |
12:53.42 | Anadale | grum +1 |
12:53.43 | Zeksie | i'm fixing the mod so it works that |
12:53.45 | Zeksie | way |
12:53.56 | Anadale | ok, will try in sec |
12:53.56 | Grum | but yes the general advise is good :) |
12:53.59 | Grum | but dont depend on people doing it ;D |
12:54.04 | Zeksie | no. i know :) |
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12:54.50 | Zeksie | posting a fix for that one anyway. |
12:54.59 | cncfanatics | hello flks |
12:55.03 | cncfanatics | s/flks/folks/ |
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12:55.56 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64348 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGModulePrototype.lua: |
12:55.56 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs |
12:55.56 | CIA-9 | - Fixed ZOMGModulePrototype.lua:72 nil error. |
12:56.07 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 072.2 * r64349 10Links/: Links: removed old branch |
12:56.54 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 072.4 * r64350 10Links/: Links: create 2.4 branch |
12:57.08 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 072.4 * r64351 10Links/Links/: Links: create 2.4 branch |
12:57.52 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 072.4 * r64352 10Links/Links/: Links: remove this, I meant to copy from trunk |
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12:58.47 | Stanzilla | lawl |
12:58.52 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 072.4 * r64353 10Links/Links/: Links: copy from trunk |
12:58.56 | Zeksie | is just a bit annoying to package it like this. wasn't meant to be run as modules really. |
12:59.04 | Zeksie | whole point was to be lod |
12:59.25 | Zeksie | but then you can do without ppl downloading half a mod.. |
13:00.27 | Anadale | ok, loading wow, next question - mousewheel - it works anywhere or only over pretty pink button? |
13:00.59 | Zeksie | anywhere |
13:01.07 | Zeksie | that doesn't already have a mousewheel action |
13:01.15 | Anadale | good. |
13:01.18 | Zeksie | if you can camera zoom, it'll work |
13:01.46 | Anadale | and of course it works only ooc? |
13:02.15 | Zeksie | auto-buffing yes, but there's a raid popup from the floating icon and you can right click on anyone in the list to rebuff them, without having ot find them in your raid frames |
13:02.22 | Zeksie | they'll be highlighted if missing your buff |
13:02.56 | Zeksie | and the icon will have the swirly thing around it if somoene needs buffing in combat |
13:06.15 | Anadale | strange, tried both mousewheel and keybinded buffing - both do not work :( |
13:06.26 | Zeksie | you in a city or something? |
13:06.33 | Anadale | what am I doing wrong? |
13:06.35 | Zeksie | prolly have the not when resting option enabled |
13:06.42 | Anadale | checked |
13:06.49 | Anadale | i mean not set |
13:06.57 | Zeksie | what class? |
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13:07.04 | Anadale | mage |
13:07.12 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 072.4 * r64354 10Links/Links/ (10 files in 3 dirs): |
13:07.12 | CIA-9 | Links: (2.4 branch, drycoded) |
13:07.12 | CIA-9 | _ Switch to Ace3. |
13:07.12 | CIA-9 | _ Remove dewdrop dependency (use EasyMenu API instead). |
13:07.12 | CIA-9 | _ Some code reorder to reduce the runtime payload. |
13:07.13 | CIA-9 | _ Add support for spell tooltips. |
13:07.15 | CIA-9 | _ Use GetItemIcon() to find the item icon. |
13:07.24 | Zeksie | mouseover the minimap icon, should say something about self buff template, and Intellect etc? |
13:07.35 | Zeksie | which should have enabled with it |
13:08.15 | Anadale | minimap button is that pretty pink square one? |
13:08.17 | CIA-9 | 03elsia * r64355 10/branches/SlashAce3/SlashAce3.toc: |
13:08.17 | CIA-9 | SlashAce3: |
13:08.17 | CIA-9 | - Bumping TOC to 2.4. |
13:08.22 | Anadale | or real minimap button? |
13:08.29 | Zeksie | nah. that's the floating icon. i mean the real minimap one |
13:08.41 | Zeksie | the floating one will also give you a status if you mouseover, like why it's not buffing atm |
13:08.43 | Anadale | ok, I got it on fubar, is it ok? |
13:08.51 | Zeksie | that's the one |
13:09.27 | Anadale | Group template: Default (modified) |
13:09.35 | Anadale | Intellect: enabled |
13:09.36 | Zeksie | does the floating one say anything besides ZOMGBuffs ? |
13:10.03 | Anadale | when i mouseover it the tooltip opens with me missing AI |
13:10.10 | sag_ich_nicht | kni |
13:10.16 | Zeksie | yeah, that's the raid popup list |
13:10.17 | sag_ich_nicht | argh |
13:10.21 | sag_ich_nicht | rong channel |
13:10.27 | Zeksie | there's a proper tooltip too |
13:10.52 | Anadale | I can buff AI by right-clicking on my name in that tooltip |
13:11.07 | Zeksie | yes. but i wanna know why you can't get it auto buffing |
13:11.24 | Zeksie | cos it works for me just fine... are you grouped maybe? |
13:11.48 | Zeksie | in which case it's prolly trying to tell you it's not buffing cos ppl are out of rangte |
13:11.50 | Zeksie | range |
13:11.54 | Anadale | yes. left raid and everything is ok :) |
13:12.16 | Zeksie | that's what it was. there's options for that too. Wait for Raid and Wait for Class/Group |
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13:12.42 | Anadale | ok, found it |
13:12.48 | Zeksie | if you'd have mouseover the floating icon, near where you could right click buff, it would have told you. Suspended, not buffing because bla |
13:13.10 | Anadale | ye, but i've disabled those checks :( |
13:13.15 | Zeksie | heh |
13:13.28 | Zeksie | you will prolly want thos eon in a raid. else you end up group buffing a lot more htan needed |
13:13.34 | Anadale | I mean Wait for raid is 0% |
13:13.34 | Zeksie | go go spelling |
13:13.46 | Anadale | Wait for group/class off |
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13:14.29 | Zeksie | the raid popup is handy for rebuffing tho, and you can see the time left on everyone's buffs all at once |
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13:17.43 | Anadale | I've swithced off mousewheel buffing and set a keybind. It still bufss me when i turn mouse wheel and do not react on keybinding |
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13:18.15 | Zeksie | mmm. odd |
13:18.19 | Zeksie | testing that |
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13:21.38 | mikma | http://i30.tinypic.com/307u621.jpg |
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13:23.14 | Funkeh` | mikma, awesome |
13:23.28 | Zeksie | yep... SetBinding != SetBindingClick |
13:23.31 | mikma | Funkeh`: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/omnomnomnom15.jpg |
13:23.57 | Funkeh` | lol |
13:24.19 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 072.4 * r64356 10Links/Links/Links.lua: Links: (2.4 branch) Let's see if I understand AceConfigCmd-3.0 correctly. |
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13:24.42 | mikma | http://pax-europa.com/temp/weird.jpg |
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13:34.43 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64357 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs.lua: |
13:34.43 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs |
13:34.43 | CIA-9 | - Fixed Keybindings not working when you previously had mousewheel buffing set. |
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13:37.47 | Lukian | so I really suck at seeing when I get enfeebled on Prince, what addon should I use? :D |
13:38.05 | Ellipsis | I recommend Brain-1.0 |
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13:38.17 | evl | Lukian: I recommend LookAtHealthBar-1.0 |
13:38.34 | vhaarr | Lukian: AuraToChat could help |
13:38.37 | kenlyric | install Ears and Eyes too |
13:38.37 | evl | How can you not notice going to 1%? :P |
13:39.01 | Anadale | zekis |
13:39.22 | Anadale | Me and other mage I trying to understand how an autoassignment works |
13:39.29 | Anadale | we both wait for group 1 |
13:39.42 | Anadale | I'm in group one, she is in group 2 |
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13:41.33 | Zeksie | auto assign, assuming you're both running the mod will simply tell u to buff group 1, and her to buff group 2 in theory. (that's the newest piece of code, so I may well have missed some condition) |
13:41.54 | Zeksie | it just automatically sets the group selection options. nothing more |
13:42.02 | Anadale | hm, we've both waited on group 1, is it ok? |
13:42.21 | Zeksie | is there someone in group 1 who is not stood near you? |
13:42.21 | Lukian | Personally I'd prefer the Omen screen flash when I get the aura |
13:42.36 | Anadale | no |
13:42.41 | Anadale | we only 2 in raid |
13:42.46 | CIA-9 | 037destiny * r64358 10Enhancer/locale/Localization-koKR.lua: |
13:42.46 | CIA-9 | Enhancer: |
13:42.46 | CIA-9 | - koKR Update |
13:43.01 | Zeksie | erm.. let me find someone and look at that. that stuff's been working for months >< |
13:43.51 | Snago | Lukian: BigWigs flash and shake |
13:45.43 | Zeksie | Anadale, in different gorups or same group? |
13:45.58 | Anadale | different. |
13:46.50 | Zeksie | mmm. looks like a scheduler is not kicking in. if you click the minimap icon off then on, it should give it a nudge |
13:46.50 | Anadale | and another strange behavior with a friendly pally - he has all addons enabled in Addons tab, but nothing is loaded. do you have any clue why? |
13:47.12 | selckin | something probably error |
13:47.23 | Zeksie | prolly some error and he has errors turned off? |
13:49.31 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 072.4 * r64359 10Links/Links/Links.lua: Links: (2.4 branch) bugfixes |
13:50.38 | Lukian | Snago, oh awesome :D |
13:50.52 | Anadale | checking now |
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13:51.01 | durcyn | [Ammo]: ping |
13:51.19 | Lukian | Snago, hmm where? |
13:51.30 | [Ammo] | durcyn: pong |
13:51.36 | Lukian | Snago, oh found it |
13:51.40 | Lukian | Snago, cheers :D |
13:52.35 | durcyn | [Ammo]: when shift-clicking quests into the chat window with SmoothQuest, the text has color, and causes disconnects when it's sent. thoughts? |
13:53.00 | [Ammo] | durcyn: dunno |
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13:53.12 | [Ammo] | durcyn: but I will fix |
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14:09.14 | Zeksie | mmm. there a bug in RosterLib with subgroup numbers? got 2 in raid, in different groups and it's saying they're both group 1.. >< |
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14:09.25 | Lothaer | hey guys |
14:09.35 | Zeksie | hi |
14:09.47 | Lothaer | HEY Zeksie |
14:09.50 | selckin | Zeksie: i've seen things like that in my grid |
14:10.17 | Zeksie | it won't even refresh when i move ppl around. |
14:10.37 | Lothaer | i prefer X-Perl Raid Frames :) |
14:10.50 | sag_ich_nicht | pleas let me have logged buffed |
14:10.52 | sag_ich_nicht | +e |
14:11.01 | sag_ich_nicht | !c EU Gul'dan Ruknor |
14:11.02 | erzy | any ret paladin around? |
14:11.03 | Zeksie | :) |
14:11.06 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64360 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua libs/ libs.xml locales/enUS.lua): |
14:11.06 | CIA-9 | WitchHunt: |
14:11.06 | CIA-9 | - Add profiles support, should be useful for copying filter settings |
14:11.06 | CIA-9 | - Add spell filtering support, automatically learns spells it displays and adds them to the spell filter options. |
14:11.09 | sag_ich_nicht | erzy hi |
14:11.20 | Lothaer | any1 know a good ingame calculator mod? |
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14:11.31 | erzy | sag_ich_nicht: what enchant for weapon PvP? |
14:11.44 | sag_ich_nicht | erzy: depends on your gear |
14:11.51 | Snago | Lothaer: /dump |
14:12.06 | erzy | 860 a-pene |
14:12.16 | sag_ich_nicht | what |
14:12.17 | WoWLuaircBot | sag_ich_nicht: Ruknor is not the character you are looking for! |
14:12.20 | sag_ich_nicht | h right |
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14:12.23 | sag_ich_nicht | *oh right |
14:12.35 | sag_ich_nicht | how much resilience? |
14:12.41 | erzy | too little |
14:12.47 | sag_ich_nicht | and again |
14:12.51 | sag_ich_nicht | what weapon you using |
14:12.56 | erzy | Cataclysm's edge |
14:13.03 | sag_ich_nicht | BE? |
14:13.06 | erzy | ye |
14:13.32 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
14:13.41 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64361 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: small tweak |
14:13.48 | sag_ich_nicht | i'd use either executioneer or adamantite weapon chain in that case |
14:14.05 | sag_ich_nicht | or, if you don't like procs, +70 AP |
14:14.23 | sag_ich_nicht | makes it less random but less dmg overall, personally i'd go with the weapon chain for arena |
14:14.30 | Camci | is there a action bar, Something that automatically changed visible bars if you were in combat or out of it |
14:14.36 | Camci | ? |
14:14.38 | evl | weapon chain on warr? |
14:14.38 | sag_ich_nicht | if you spec 0/20/41 |
14:14.45 | evl | or are we talking rogue? |
14:14.51 | sag_ich_nicht | ret paladin |
14:14.52 | erzy | ret pala ofc |
14:15.01 | evl | well I would never get chain tbh |
14:15.08 | evl | you could meet 20 caster teams in a row |
14:15.12 | evl | bad ROI if you do |
14:15.20 | Camci | Anyone know? |
14:15.25 | sag_ich_nicht | meh, if you really wanna be a dick you get the same weapon twice |
14:15.31 | sag_ich_nicht | you can still swap weapons in arena afterall |
14:15.33 | erzy | Or just get Torch |
14:15.44 | evl | Maybe sava cause exec kinda requires you to stay on someone like a warr with hamstring/intercept |
14:15.58 | sag_ich_nicht | yupp, as i said |
14:16.10 | sag_ich_nicht | !c EU Gul'dan Ruknor |
14:16.12 | sag_ich_nicht | god damn it |
14:16.27 | erzy | !c Ruknor Gul'dan -c -eu |
14:16.48 | erzy | !c EU Dentarg Erzy |
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14:17.15 | WoWLuaircBot | sag_ich_nicht: Ruknor, Level 70 Human Paladin (5/8/48). 8877 HP; 5103 Mana; 91 mana regen; 2 mp5; 9991 Armour; 1764 AP; 287.200 Melee DPS; 31.81% melee crit; 102 melee hit; 82 +spell dmg/heal; 8.77% dodge; 5.00% block; 26 resilience;[[ TBR: 1746 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrmjmj ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2uynsq ][ Updated: Wed Mar 12 10:27:12 2008 EST ]] |
14:17.19 | WoWLuaircBot | erzy: Erzy, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (41/20/0). 10197 HP; 11553 Mana; 232 mana regen; 117 mp5; 18020 Armour; 78.800 Melee DPS; 4.53% melee crit; 215 spell crit; 935 +spell dmg; 2378 +heal; 4.53% dodge; 5.00% block; 39 resilience; +33 all resists (+5 all);[[ TBR: 1198 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/246jvp ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3dl567 ][ Updated: Wed Mar 12 10:27:16 2008 EST ]] |
14:17.47 | CIA-9 | 03snago * r64362 10IHML/IHML.lua: |
14:17.47 | CIA-9 | IHML: |
14:17.47 | CIA-9 | - Better handling of default macros. |
14:17.50 | Lothaer | soo any1 know of a calculator mod that works? |
14:17.58 | erzy | arena? |
14:18.03 | Lothaer | no |
14:18.05 | Lothaer | numbers |
14:18.07 | Lothaer | mathematical |
14:18.11 | erzy | hmm |
14:18.18 | erzy | nopp |
14:18.20 | Lothaer | there was one buts its very very old |
14:18.25 | Lothaer | like 2005 old |
14:18.33 | erzy | just use windows calculator ^^ |
14:18.59 | Lothaer | true but that takes time lol |
14:19.03 | Lothaer | id rahter bring one up ingame |
14:19.12 | erzy | the otherone takes memory useage! |
14:19.24 | erzy | usage* |
14:19.28 | Lothaer | yeah like 1kb pft |
14:19.31 | Lothaer | if that |
14:20.03 | sag_ich_nicht | uhm |
14:20.05 | sag_ich_nicht | gnomecruncher |
14:20.07 | sag_ich_nicht | works pretty good |
14:20.20 | Snago | I bet a calculator addon would take less memory than the Windows Calculator :P |
14:20.30 | durcyn | why would you possibly need a calculator addon |
14:20.36 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
14:21.29 | sag_ich_nicht | durcyn: so i don't have my ChatFrame1 spammed |
14:21.33 | Polarina | ~cookie durcyn |
14:22.16 | durcyn | sag_ich_nicht: /script ChatFrame2:AddMessage("<insert math here>"); |
14:22.30 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r64363 10Recount/ (13 files): |
14:22.30 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
14:22.30 | CIA-9 | - All configurable SV settings are now profile based (i.e. moved the remaining |
14:22.30 | CIA-9 | .char. to .profile.). This will affect some previous settings. To get rid of old |
14:22.30 | CIA-9 | and now unused character based settings, best delete WTF/*/Recount.lua. |
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14:23.34 | Lothaer | sag_ich_nicht thanks |
14:26.12 | dodga | Hm, that Recount2 screenshot looks damn sexeh |
14:26.13 | ramoz | There's also a addon called Math which formats it nicely |
14:26.15 | ramoz | and he left |
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14:27.15 | Elsia | dodga: got linky? |
14:28.41 | dodga | http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9158/recount2detailprelimzq5.jpg |
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14:28.52 | Elsia | thanks |
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14:29.57 | dodga | that's from the svn changelog btw :D |
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14:31.22 | Elsia | i see |
14:32.00 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:22] <durcyn> sag_ich_nicht: /script ChatFrame2:AddMessage("<insert math here>"); <--i don't any of my chatframes spammed, and i don't want to type that every time i need a calc, that's a waste of time |
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14:32.23 | sag_ich_nicht | stop being a moron, just because it's "cool" to use /dump or /script to do your math, it doesn't mean it's efficient. |
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14:32.25 | sag_ich_nicht | scrub. |
14:33.03 | sag_ich_nicht | i hate people that go "i'm so hrdkr i write mah software in ASM when all i need is a shellscript hur hur i r 1337 suck my dick" |
14:33.13 | Megalon | dodga: i like it how in the table at the bottom, there is min: 192, max: 192, avg: 198 :P |
14:33.30 | Elsia | kinda pre-alpha code ;) |
14:35.38 | Elsia | the averages are correct from the total so I guess the ma is stored wrong for hit types |
14:35.50 | Elsia | s/ma/max |
14:36.31 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64364 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs_BuffTehRaid/ZOMGBuffs_BuffTehRaid.lua: |
14:36.31 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs |
14:36.31 | CIA-9 | - Temporary workaround for a bug in RosterLib that gets the subgroups wrong on occasion. |
14:36.31 | CIA-9 | - Fixed idling when a group is out of range, and they come into range later. It will now periodically recheck them. |
14:36.57 | kenlyric | Zeksie: does zomgbuffs work on self? |
14:37.04 | Zeksie | yeah. has a self buffs module |
14:37.07 | kenlyric | i mean, solo |
14:37.10 | kenlyric | hmmm |
14:37.12 | Zeksie | yeh |
14:37.23 | Zeksie | does sexy stuff like auto buff crusader aura when you mount :) |
14:37.29 | kenlyric | does it do pally seals? :) |
14:37.33 | Zeksie | it does |
14:37.38 | kenlyric | my hero |
14:37.53 | kenlyric | SSR doesn't do them |
14:37.54 | Elsia | o.O so basically I should dump my old crummy smartbuff/debuff :P |
14:37.56 | [Ammo] | hmm you can nolonger add icons to 2.4 raid warning? |
14:38.19 | [Ammo] | at least messages get eaten with |T |t in them |
14:38.27 | Zeksie | the blessings manager is pretty sweet too. will generate assignments once you tell it who is a tank druid, healer druid etc. |
14:38.43 | Zeksie | no more pissing around with clicking buffs and manually looking who can do what |
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14:39.28 | sag_ich_nicht | Zeksie: o rly |
14:39.32 | Zeksie | yarly |
14:39.50 | sag_ich_nicht | plz2show flowchart of priorities for that |
14:39.55 | sb | Zeksie: mh - is broadcast to PP clients enabled by default? |
14:39.58 | Megalon | pallypowerrly! |
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14:40.11 | Zeksie | it'll send assignments to pallypower users yea |
14:40.11 | sb | so i can set blessings for my pallys :o (raidleader, priest) |
14:40.16 | Zeksie | yes |
14:40.22 | sag_ich_nicht | oh god yes |
14:40.23 | Zeksie | i do it as a rogue |
14:40.31 | sb | because it doesnt work here :( pally doesnt get any data |
14:40.39 | sb | in his PP |
14:40.43 | sag_ich_nicht | Zeksie show me the flowchart |
14:40.47 | chiper | grr. "The range of Cyclone has been reduced to 20 yards. (was 30 yards before)" |
14:40.54 | Zeksie | it has to detect PP at least once to load that module |
14:41.01 | chiper | Once again, PvP fucks it up for the rest of us |
14:41.03 | Zeksie | maybe it just hadn't done it yet? |
14:41.11 | sb | well, blessings manager tells "pallypower" |
14:41.15 | sb | i dont know if that module is loaded :) |
14:41.27 | sb | fubar -> rightclick doesnt show PP mod |
14:41.30 | durcyn | chiper: yeah, well, when druids account for 250% of arena... |
14:41.43 | sag_ich_nicht | QQ more |
14:41.44 | Zeksie | it hasn't got it's own menu entry, there's no options for it |
14:41.45 | chiper | then you make it an arena only rule |
14:41.59 | Elsia | zek: does it have an auto-buff mode, i.e. if you flip the mouse wheel or something? |
14:42.01 | sb | Zeksie: no idea if that module is active then :)( |
14:42.01 | chiper | like they did for polymorph |
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14:42.19 | kenlyric | bah! where's the fubar button? |
14:42.23 | kenlyric | more fubar buttons! |
14:42.24 | Zeksie | <PROTECTED> |
14:42.47 | sb | yup, prints "ZOMGBlessingsPP" |
14:43.02 | kenlyric | cannot find a library instance of rollcall-1.0 |
14:43.03 | Zeksie | hmmmz. and you clicked the generate button or something? |
14:43.08 | kenlyric | I don't think your xembeds are right. |
14:43.12 | sb | yes, generate and broadcast |
14:43.23 | Zeksie | don't need broadcast, that's just for ppl who crash/dc |
14:43.37 | Zeksie | was that to me Ken? |
14:43.57 | sag_ich_nicht | ??????? |
14:43.59 | sag_ich_nicht | ??? |
14:44.02 | sag_ich_nicht | ????????? |
14:44.03 | sag_ich_nicht | 63698 |
14:44.04 | kenlyric | yes zeksie |
14:44.06 | kenlyric | let me check |
14:44.48 | Zeksie | i'll have to take a look at the PP comms and see what's up with it. soon as my wife is off of her account and i can run up her pally |
14:45.08 | Zeksie | get them to change a buff once. or something. to cause some traffic |
14:45.09 | kenlyric | yeah, rollcall-1.0 isn't getting added as a dependancy |
14:45.17 | Zeksie | k |
14:46.19 | sb | Zeksie: hmmm pally set something in his PP |
14:46.32 | sb | and now its gone :p used generate here |
14:47.13 | Zeksie | click configure. do you have a nearly full set of icons in there? |
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14:47.22 | sb | yup |
14:47.35 | Zeksie | hmmmz. yeah.. i'll have ot look into that :( |
14:47.39 | Zeksie | worked last week |
14:47.42 | kenlyric | it's not even listed as an optionaldep |
14:47.54 | Zeksie | it's listed in embeds. |
14:47.58 | Zeksie | and in externals. |
14:48.08 | sb | Zeksie: does it work with single buffs? |
14:48.16 | Zeksie | yes |
14:48.26 | sb | hmhm :) |
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14:49.13 | kenlyric | Zeksie: which does nothing if you run disembedded |
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14:49.25 | CIA-9 | 03ckknight * r64365 10LibDogTag-3.0/ (Modules/Misc.lua test.lua): LibDogTag-3.0 - add Contains tag. |
14:49.29 | kenlyric | <!-- Removed by files.wowace.com for no-ext zip. --> |
14:49.41 | cncfanatics | ~jeu |
14:49.44 | Zeksie | yeah. but AceLibrary() will load it if it exists as an addon |
14:49.46 | cncfanatics | ~jau |
14:49.50 | sb | Zeksie: self-buff doesnt work with raidbuff button? :) |
14:49.53 | Ellipsis | Zeksie: not if it's not loaded first |
14:49.58 | Ellipsis | which is why you need to OptDep it |
14:50.06 | Zeksie | ok. my bad on that bit |
14:50.07 | cncfanatics | hmmm, anyone, where to get JAU ? (java updater thingy) |
14:50.22 | Stanzilla | cncfanatics: google.com |
14:50.24 | Zeksie | sb ? specifically? |
14:50.36 | sb | Zeksie: inner fire rebuff |
14:51.00 | Zeksie | are u in a city? |
14:51.12 | kenlyric | Zeksie: are you calling the wrong one? |
14:51.20 | Zeksie | wrong one what? |
14:51.20 | kenlyric | there's LibRollCall-2.0 |
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14:51.49 | sb | Zeksie: yup - but i disabled the "disabled while resting" thing ;) |
14:51.52 | Zeksie | didn't use that cos it's Rock, and everything else in ZOMG is Ace/LibStub so far |
14:51.58 | kenlyric | ah, ok |
14:52.32 | kenlyric | is that why we have Libsharedmedia 2 and 3? |
14:52.42 | Zeksie | sb: mouseover the floating icon (not minimap one), it'll tell u why it's not doing anything |
14:52.51 | Snago | ~jwu |
14:52.52 | purl | JWowUpdater is a java based tool for updating your World of Warcraft addons. http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5917 |
14:52.52 | Stanzilla | nah, kenlyric |
14:52.57 | sb | waiting for... :) |
14:52.57 | Snago | cncfanatics: that one? |
14:53.37 | Zeksie | ahhh.... right. in a raid, waiting for ppl, but self buffs to do.. yes. fair point |
14:55.37 | Elsia | zek: could it remember the aura it had before mounting and restore it when dismounting? |
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14:56.05 | cncfanatics | Snago: ty |
14:56.15 | sag_ich_nicht | what the shit |
14:56.26 | sag_ich_nicht | i hate you windows |
14:56.32 | cncfanatics | sag_ich_nicht: get linux |
14:56.40 | Zeksie | yes Elsia, it should do that already |
14:56.47 | sag_ich_nicht | all operation systems suck |
14:56.53 | Zeksie | assuming you've cast an aura for it to remember |
14:57.05 | Elsia | zek: alright lets test again |
14:57.29 | krka | all operation systems suck, for some people |
14:57.53 | Elsia | hmm it doesn't seem to apply the aura when mounting, just make the crusader icon |
14:58.04 | krka | damn it, you tricked me into not typing operating system |
14:58.37 | durcyn | all software sucks. |
14:58.42 | Zeksie | you have to DO something for it to do the aura... it has to be from user input |
14:58.43 | sag_ich_nicht | [15:51] <Zeksie> didn't use that cos it's Rock, and everything else in ZOMG is Ace/LibStub so far <--uh last time i checked LRC-2.0 is LibStub too, and so is all of Rock |
14:58.45 | Grum | Zeksie: i'm curious about the reason you based it on Ace2 and not Ace3 :) |
14:58.47 | Zeksie | so mousewheel or whatever |
14:58.48 | sag_ich_nicht | ur doin it rong |
14:58.58 | Grum | it is sag_ich_nicht |
14:59.03 | Elsia | not working for mousewheel even though it's checked |
14:59.21 | Zeksie | got another mousewheel mod? |
14:59.41 | Elsia | hmm actually, let me disable smartbuff ;) |
14:59.50 | sb | Zeksie: hmm strange |
14:59.53 | Zeksie | Grum: It's what was available when I started this, and I have no reason to change yet |
15:00.05 | sb | i set buffs to "wisdom" for priest, buy pally sees "salvation" instead :o |
15:00.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis Grum tell him the reasons i won't be bothered |
15:00.20 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
15:00.28 | Zeksie | sb: yes. i have to dig into the comms for PP and see hwat's up. :| |
15:00.31 | Grum | well, i'll just say memory use and elegance |
15:00.32 | Zeksie | tell him to get this instead :) |
15:00.35 | Grum | and you'll port it one day ;D |
15:00.40 | Grum | why not now? :D |
15:00.52 | Zeksie | cos I have to get it working right for everyone first ;) |
15:01.00 | Zeksie | has a few kinks apparently |
15:01.04 | sb | he now has PP and ZOMG installed |
15:01.11 | Grum | nowai! it doesnt have to! |
15:01.17 | Zeksie | can't guarentee milage if he runs both |
15:01.18 | Grum | also, why not just call it BuffManager? :( |
15:01.28 | Elsia | zek: works fine now, thanks! |
15:01.31 | Zeksie | :) |
15:01.51 | sag_ich_nicht | it's because PP broadcasts what you have and uses that to asign it i guess |
15:01.53 | Zeksie | are we going to have another debate about addon naming? |
15:01.59 | sag_ich_nicht | or something like that |
15:02.05 | sag_ich_nicht | so the same number != same buff |
15:02.09 | sag_ich_nicht | but that's just a guess |
15:02.12 | kenlyric | man, I wish wau would just show me a dependency tree. I do a search for a lib name, and all it shows me is the lib. |
15:02.15 | sag_ich_nicht | didn't check the code if it actually does that |
15:02.25 | Zeksie | the PP module translates the PP numbers into ZOMG types |
15:02.31 | Zeksie | it's not doing something right.. |
15:02.33 | kenlyric | and I mean in windows |
15:02.45 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64366 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua): WitchHunt: adjust message formatting to be clearer |
15:02.45 | Grum | Zeksie: just make sure you mention that in the 'Notes' field in the TOC =D |
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15:04.39 | sb | Zeksie: and i get "you dont get Blessing of XXXX from anyone" every time i use whisper stuff |
15:04.57 | sb | he buffed me with BoW, but whisper still tells me "you dont get..." |
15:05.35 | selckin | Any way to give the bigwigs messages a Black background or so? so they are more visible |
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15:06.54 | Zeksie | what are you whispering? |
15:07.27 | sb | !zomg -wisdom +kings |
15:07.32 | sb | or !zomg -bow +bok |
15:07.44 | Zeksie | mmm. will look at it when i get back |
15:07.45 | Zeksie | i'll be back later. got to go to daughter's school in a min |
15:07.49 | sb | okay :) |
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15:09.16 | sag_ich_nicht | also blizz should remove the name of the arena you're allowed to join if the queue runs up |
15:09.18 | kenlyric | hmmm, libstub is now my oldest addon :) |
15:09.22 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64367 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: make the test messages reflect the actual messages better |
15:09.29 | kenlyric | although rollcall has only had toc updates for the past year |
15:09.41 | sag_ich_nicht | scrubs are avoiding CoB arena and fucking people with draws |
15:09.51 | sb | Zeksie: and it doesnt broadcast exceptions :) |
15:10.01 | cncfanatics | Fin: lol at your commits on prat |
15:11.23 | Zeksie | to PP user u mean? |
15:11.40 | sb | no ZOMG user |
15:11.40 | Zeksie | anyway. back in a bit |
15:11.42 | sb | yup |
15:12.12 | [Ammo] | if any if you are on the ptr, try out the 2.4 branch of witchhunt |
15:12.15 | [Ammo] | I gave it some hot love |
15:12.26 | [Ammo] | check out the 2.4 interface options panel for the exact amount of love :) |
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15:14.54 | Grum | hehe |
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15:16.19 | dibri | Is there an easy way to display a few nodes on the worldmap? |
15:16.51 | dibri | I cant seem to figure out under which section it falls? Frames? |
15:17.11 | Nandini | nodes as in resource (mining/herb/fishing/treasure) nodes, or notes? |
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15:17.55 | Nandini | you might like HandyNotes for adding your own simple notes to the world map |
15:18.13 | dibri | Nandini: well, I basically want to add a figure on the worldmap |
15:18.18 | dibri | so I gues its more of a note |
15:18.31 | Nandini | oh wait i'm not sure if handynotes is available yet |
15:19.09 | Nandini | if you are using Cartographer for your world map, you can alt-right click on the map to add a note |
15:19.22 | Xinhuan | its available, but it eats up a lot of CPU because it uses Astrolabe |
15:19.29 | Xinhuan | so i don't really want to release it |
15:19.44 | dibri | hmm, kI guess cartographr would be what I need then |
15:19.51 | Xinhuan | by a lot of CPU, i mean more than all 200 of my other addons combined |
15:20.26 | Nandini | Xinhuan: that's intense! |
15:21.08 | Xinhuan | ya |
15:23.39 | Xinhuan | grum's supposed to be writing a replacement |
15:23.43 | Xinhuan | but he's sacking ;p |
15:23.46 | Xinhuan | slacking * |
15:23.51 | erzy | sag_ich_nicht |
15:24.02 | kenlyric | the logic on Scrub should be listed somewhere |
15:24.18 | erzy | is the badge-libram best pvp one? |
15:24.24 | Ironhand | is there a way to set Grid so that dead people out of range actually show up as out of range? |
15:24.32 | Ozguli | "ktm is more accurate because it only tracks single targets" |
15:25.41 | Grum | Xinhuan: i am i am! |
15:25.42 | Grum | hehe |
15:25.48 | Grum | Ozguli: KEK!K!!!!! |
15:26.01 | Grum | i will call it: LibAstroFAILED-1.0 |
15:26.29 | Killmore | Ozguli: KTM, this addon still exist ? :P |
15:26.34 | Ozguli | apparently yes |
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15:26.46 | Killmore | even pug use omen now |
15:26.52 | Xinhuan | if u look at the illidan kill video of nihilum |
15:26.53 | Grum | but on a serious note, it will be prolly be LibMapIcons-1.0 :) |
15:26.57 | Xinhuan | their whole guild uses KTM ;p |
15:27.02 | Grum | they are losers :) |
15:27.26 | Killmore | they kill him before the first "stable" usable version of omen.. no ? |
15:27.27 | kenlyric | was Threat even out then? |
15:27.35 | Killmore | I dont think so.. |
15:27.42 | Xinhuan | not sure |
15:27.50 | sag_ich_nicht | ~asktoask |
15:27.51 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
15:28.03 | sag_ich_nicht | ( i need to cnp ist) |
15:28.06 | sag_ich_nicht | *it |
15:28.30 | sag_ich_nicht | [16:24] <erzy> is the badge-libram best pvp one? <--theoretically, no. the arena one would be best, but... meh, i'd still use the badge one. |
15:28.43 | Grum | i love nihilum.. check what their super paladin class leader is whining about: "The 3 gates will open automatically over time at equal intervals on all servers." |
15:28.54 | Grum | dont they get it? this will only mean we will be able to get the patch sooner |
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15:29.08 | Grum | because blizzard has time to finalize the rest of the shit because its locked behind doors |
15:29.20 | Nandini | Couldn't HandyNotes just borrow the pin drawing code used by GatherMate? It seems incredibly efficient. |
15:29.20 | sag_ich_nicht | lmao |
15:29.30 | Elsia | it actually also means a fair race |
15:29.30 | Xinhuan | not exactly |
15:29.33 | Grum | it also means they wont complete the new content in 10 hours after the release and start whining and annoying the complete server out of sheer boredom |
15:29.40 | Xinhuan | the pin drawing code in astrolabe requires zone translation |
15:29.45 | Xinhuan | gathermate doesn't use that |
15:29.50 | Grum | LibMapIcons does! |
15:29.59 | EvilJohn- | heh |
15:30.20 | Grum | anyhow, GatherMate does it efficient but they have 2 different ways of data-handing |
15:30.21 | EvilJohn- | yeah grum, if you open all your presents before everyone else, you don't get to whine about not having anything to unwrap after breakfast |
15:30.42 | Grum | also, your parents might package a new present that you live even more because they saw how you reacted on the first couple |
15:30.48 | Grum | s/live/like |
15:30.49 | kenlyric | looks like june-ish threat started work, but it didn't get to its current size until july. |
15:31.12 | EvilJohn- | I get what the top end guys are saying about the badge gear, and the pvp gear, I totally understand that |
15:31.13 | sag_ich_nicht | also |
15:31.17 | sag_ich_nicht | someone please steal purl |
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15:31.22 | EvilJohn- | but server level contributions are just out of line for whining |
15:31.23 | sag_ich_nicht | and make purl into an addon that i can use in guildchat |
15:31.27 | Elsia | ~steal purl |
15:31.28 | purl | ACTION grabs purl and gives it to elsia |
15:31.31 | Xinhuan | when was cpu profilng added? |
15:31.36 | Xinhuan | was it 2.1? |
15:31.39 | kergoth | someone did make a bot for wow chat.. i cant remember the name of it though |
15:31.49 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: uh, 2.2 i think... maybe. maybe 2.1 |
15:31.51 | sag_ich_nicht | i dunno |
15:31.58 | sag_ich_nicht | kergoth: i don't want any bot |
15:32.01 | sag_ich_nicht | i want purl |
15:32.05 | Grum | EvilGrin: also the whning would get worse when the server with 20 illidan killing guilds opens all of the gates directly |
15:32.09 | sag_ich_nicht | ~want purl |
15:32.17 | kergoth | ah, hehe |
15:32.25 | sag_ich_nicht | ~want |
15:32.27 | EvilJohn- | indeed. |
15:32.27 | Grum | and the server where the 'cool top guild' is on is slacking behind because .. well ... they just dont have the manpower on the server to open the gate faster |
15:32.30 | kenlyric | well, servers that can mobilize very large populations love it. |
15:32.37 | Grum | yes ofc |
15:32.39 | Xinhuan | like mine? ;d |
15:32.39 | Xinhuan | there's 16 illidan kiling guilds on my server |
15:32.40 | sag_ich_nicht | oh common, nobody made something funny for ~want yet? |
15:32.40 | sag_ich_nicht | fail |
15:32.42 | kenlyric | which I think nihilum has |
15:32.44 | Xinhuan | 1 just killed council, and 6 more in BT |
15:32.44 | EvilJohn- | 16? nice |
15:32.45 | Grum | indeed Xinhuan |
15:32.56 | Grum | well not that nice EvilJohn |
15:32.56 | Xinhuan | so that's 23 bt guilds or so |
15:33.03 | Grum | it also means that the BT instance servers crash daily :) |
15:33.04 | EvilJohn- | Elune is pretty full, but not that many here |
15:33.06 | EvilJohn- | heh |
15:33.11 | EvilJohn- | well, crashes not withstanding |
15:33.17 | Xinhuan | its blackrock hehe, been crashing daily for 3 years |
15:33.20 | sag_ich_nicht | i like small servers |
15:33.35 | Xinhuan | big servers are nice because recruitment issues are minor |
15:33.43 | sag_ich_nicht | especially if they are still in the hardcore biggest BG |
15:33.43 | Grum | its sortof like how the wareffort event got changed in the end that the doors would just open after a certain amount of time |
15:33.43 | Xinhuan | ppl xfer in all the time |
15:33.48 | EvilJohn- | elune is big, but only 3 guilds have illidan down, soon to be 4 |
15:33.53 | Grum | because the RP/smaller servers just didnt bother with putting in all the millions of items :) |
15:33.55 | Xinhuan | and ppl xfer out all the time too |
15:34.05 | sag_ich_nicht | you get internet popular if you get into hyjal lawl |
15:34.12 | Grum | with the Xfer times decreased to 1 month it will be faster as well |
15:34.20 | Grum | err was it 1 month? |
15:34.20 | Grum | mmm |
15:34.24 | Grum | 3->1 right? |
15:34.27 | EvilJohn- | aye |
15:34.29 | sag_ich_nicht | yupp |
15:34.29 | sacarasc | no-one on my server has downed Illidan yet... think there is only 1 BT guild so far |
15:34.37 | kenlyric | Grum: well, I think it was always assumed eventually they would do that, because some servers didn't even have guilds capable of BWL |
15:34.50 | kenlyric | wait, they don't open the gates. do they? |
15:35.18 | kenlyric | they should just get rid of all that shit. so tired of seeing those blue question mark fuckers |
15:35.27 | EvilJohn- | heh |
15:35.33 | EvilJohn- | it's a lame mechanic |
15:36.08 | Grum | they open the gates ken |
15:36.19 | Grum | and for sunwell, you still need the dailies to unlock *more* dailies |
15:36.24 | Grum | but not to unlock more 'endgame content' |
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15:36.37 | EvilJohn- | I don't understand the point then. |
15:36.45 | EvilJohn- | i lack blizzard's vision |
15:36.58 | kenlyric | grid mana bars needs to show rage and mana differently |
15:37.11 | kenlyric | also, wtb text display of mana/rage/energy |
15:37.35 | kenlyric | it's also to open up additional vendors, grum |
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15:39.35 | Nandini | on small realms without BT/MH raiding guilds, the collaborative efforts of their low population over time will allow them access to gems/elixirs/patterns that otherwise would never be available on their realms |
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15:40.19 | Nandini | those items will be useful in preparing existing level 70 players for 71-80 content when WotLK comes out |
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15:41.55 | Nandini | whether they "deserve" it or not doesn't particularly matter to blizzard's bottom line, they need to retain players who are bored of just running kara tuesday night and doing dailies the rest of the week |
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15:42.29 | cncfanatics | Nandini: nice reasoning |
15:42.37 | Nandini | i'd guess that makes up the vast majority of their paying customers, anyway |
15:45.10 | vhaarr | Nandini: yes, but I think that if they continue to starve out the hardcore raiding guilds, the majority playerbase will diminish as well |
15:45.13 | kenlyric | man, what is up with mods not defining required libs correctly |
15:45.55 | Nandini | tbh, i don't give a flying fuck what nihilum or ej or aurora thinks, and i bet 80-90% of wow players won't even hear about it |
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15:47.00 | Xinhuan | actually the fact that they are well known means that a good portion of the wow player base WILL hear of it |
15:47.32 | genetik | there are probably a good number of people who don't even know that there is a 2.4 patch coming out |
15:48.18 | Xinhuan | that's a real small minority |
15:48.21 | Nandini | i have characters on mal'ganis where EJ and aurora (and several other good guilds) play, and did a survey in org while i was bored the other day |
15:48.37 | Nandini | i asked 20 random players if they thought elitist jerks was a good guild |
15:48.42 | Nandini | 18 hadn't heard of them |
15:49.04 | Nandini | granted, not a big enough sample to be statistically reliable |
15:49.09 | genetik | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 |
15:49.11 | Xinhuan | i assume half the the replies are replies that are fake |
15:49.12 | kenlyric | people take an EQ casual approach to understanding WoW casuals, and it just doesn't track. |
15:49.41 | kenlyric | there are always new superstars :) |
15:49.55 | Elsia | the whole definition of casual is flawed.. so someone who just now kills illidan is casual? that's 9 months after illidan world first |
15:50.48 | Nandini | what percentage of players do you think will ever set foot inside the sunwell? |
15:50.59 | Elsia | and I actually do thing that the vast majority don't know EJ or can name more than 2 top 10 raiding guilds |
15:51.01 | kenlyric | blizzard can never make the top guilds completely happy. |
15:51.03 | kenlyric | never ever ever |
15:51.22 | kenlyric | on any difficulty curve there will always be some percentage who are at one extreme end. |
15:51.36 | kenlyric | for TBC, that's about 2-3%, which seems reasonable |
15:51.45 | doc^bla | always making new endgame content would be very expensive |
15:52.02 | Nandini | i enjoy raiding, yet i myself hold no illusions about ever being in BT/MH before WotLK comes out |
15:52.07 | ZealotOnAStick | I think, just perhaps, they can find the money somewhere. |
15:52.44 | Nandini | why spend that much money on 2% of your customers, when they pay the same as someone who is happy with kara? |
15:53.12 | Nandini | perhaps they should charge $34.95 a month for attunement to BT/MH/SW |
15:53.28 | Nandini | then blizzard would have an incentive to add new content |
15:53.32 | kenlyric | 10% of players will get use out of sunwell raid. This seems a reasonable investment for doing a new raid every six months. |
15:53.37 | kenlyric | this one just took too long. |
15:53.39 | Elsia | there is a lot of raid content in TBC |
15:53.46 | Elsia | it's just that most of it got front-loaded |
15:54.05 | doc^bla | more like <5% really go to swp |
15:54.07 | kenlyric | well, 5% |
15:54.13 | kenlyric | since half don't raid at all |
15:54.13 | Nandini | true, but we did get BT/MH/SW added over time, and an appropriate amount of time |
15:54.21 | Elsia | BT/MH came out at least 3 months too early and ZA came out too late |
15:54.32 | cncfanatics | is getting into BT/MH that hard ? |
15:54.37 | kenlyric | doc^bla: I imagine any guild working on BT will probably spend some time in sunwell. |
15:54.40 | cncfanatics | I decided to start raiding 1.5 weeks ago |
15:54.48 | Elsia | I think they have learned though. I expect the raiding game to be much smoother in WoTLK |
15:54.49 | cncfanatics | I'm now in a 5/6 ssc , 3/4 TK guild |
15:54.53 | kenlyric | Kael is the biggest cockblocker to raiders after grull. |
15:54.57 | Nandini | i think blizz misjudged the popularity of the 10-man format, and ZA was them trying to catch up |
15:55.11 | EvilJohn- | yeah |
15:55.28 | genetik | i don't believe that the 10-man format is as popular as the numbers make it out to be |
15:55.30 | cncfanatics | if blizz reduces raid size again I SHOOT them |
15:55.30 | Elsia | nah I think they thought that in-game pacers like 1-3 vial drops off vashj would find acceptance |
15:55.32 | kenlyric | just look at the percentage drops on wowjutsu, and where the biggest ones are. |
15:55.33 | EvilJohn- | I dunno why Kael, adn vashj is so hard, when the bosses in BT and MH are so easy |
15:55.45 | Elsia | but it didn't so they had to remove all pacers from the game and the hardcore breezed through it |
15:55.46 | genetik | i just think that most people don't have the time/numbers to put into 25man content |
15:55.48 | Nandini | if 40-man was the old standby, it makes sense that they would initially concentrate on 25 rather than 10 as their focus |
15:56.02 | cncfanatics | Elsia: because it wouldn't make sense lore wise if they were easy |
15:56.09 | cncfanatics | and they aren't that easy either tbh |
15:56.19 | doc^bla | swp is hard, you need bt/hyjal items. like 4 t6 tanks |
15:56.28 | Stanzilla | bt and mh bosses are piss easy |
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15:56.48 | cncfanatics | they're piss easy after your raid got good enough to pwn vashj & kael |
15:57.03 | Elsia | I don't have issue with early BT bosses being easy.. more like they should be early bosses, like T4! that magtheridon boots 3/4 MH and 3/4 BT is kind of sad |
15:57.11 | EvilJohn- | if blizzard really wants to get people into raiding,t hey need to raid instances like scarlet monastery |
15:57.18 | Elsia | magtheridon would have made a fine T6 boss |
15:57.31 | Stanzilla | a guild that can't kill kael is will probably clear mh and kill 4 bosses in bt aftet 2.4 is out |
15:57.35 | cncfanatics | Elsia: magtheridon gets pugged |
15:57.49 | Nandini | mag will get pugged a lot more after 2.4 nerfs |
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15:57.57 | cncfanatics | he already gets pugged |
15:57.58 | Elsia | cnc: yeah by hardcore raider alts ;) |
15:58.11 | cncfanatics | Elsia: no, ORGRIMMAR trade channel pugs |
15:58.16 | Killmore | no, hardcore raider alts will do bt/hyjal :P |
15:58.23 | Elsia | people would pug najentus -> shade if they had access |
15:58.32 | cncfanatics | they will next patch |
15:58.39 | cncfanatics | the removal of attunements makes me a bit sad tbh |
15:58.51 | EvilJohn- | yeah |
15:59.04 | Elsia | blizz needs to go back to soft attunement models ala vanilla tbh |
15:59.12 | EvilJohn- | when you raiders complain about the removal of attunements, it's not killing najentus that they site |
15:59.21 | EvilJohn- | it's killing illidan |
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15:59.46 | EvilJohn- | really |
15:59.48 | Nandini | i like the idea of attunements because it represents a sort of personal milestone for me, without them, i have no way of really "measuring" my own progression |
15:59.48 | genetik | they should have never introduced them to begin with. pacing should have been based off of content release like it was in vanilla, ala mc -> bwl -> aq40 -> naxx |
15:59.50 | EvilJohn- | blizzard created thsi mess |
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16:00.07 | Nandini | since some t6 bosses are "easy" and some t4 bosses are "hard" |
16:00.08 | Elsia | still maggy was hard for his place in the raid progression. and early BT/MH bosses are first ID kills even for mediocre raid groups |
16:00.39 | EvilJohn- | yeah |
16:00.43 | EvilJohn- | there is good content in TBC |
16:00.48 | EvilJohn- | it's just all out of order |
16:02.00 | Elsia | it's really bad lore setup that you sell a game with a big bad meanie that almost noone can actually kill. it's like selling diablo2 and making it such that only 2% of buyers can kill baal who is in the opening cinematics |
16:02.05 | cncfanatics | good thing about vanilla was |
16:02.11 | cncfanatics | you didn't go bwl before mc because it was too hard |
16:02.18 | cncfanatics | instead of "I have to kill ragnaros to get BWL attune" |
16:02.22 | genetik | right |
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16:02.31 | EvilJohn- | yeah |
16:02.33 | genetik | that's how they should have set it up |
16:02.36 | EvilJohn- | gatekeeper boss upfront |
16:02.37 | cncfanatics | thats called an mmorpg Elsia |
16:02.39 | Elsia | cnc: yeah, it was soft attunement too |
16:02.41 | genetik | gear check based attunements |
16:02.44 | EvilJohn- | really a simple DPS check boss upfrotn is all your need |
16:02.45 | cncfanatics | if you make everyone able to kill illidan whats the point of hardcore players ? |
16:02.46 | Nandini | one other thing that is problematic was them fitting all this content into 10 character levels, and trying to keep people interested for a long time at level 70 |
16:02.59 | Elsia | cnc: nah it's called poor setup, you can make hard bosses that are almost unbeatable, but don't put them into the opening cinematics |
16:03.02 | Nandini | it has led to a huge expansion in item levels that i think they will have a hard time dealing with once WotLK is out |
16:03.13 | kebinusan | you didnt go to bwl before rag because the content wasnt there |
16:03.16 | Elsia | cnc: there is no point of hardcore players ;) |
16:03.24 | kebinusan | at least with TBC the raid content is there before most of players progress to it |
16:03.38 | cncfanatics | Nandini: why would that be a problem ? |
16:03.40 | Elsia | MC->BWL was brilliant soft attunement |
16:03.48 | Elsia | you need FR gear from MC to progress into BWL |
16:03.49 | EvilJohn- | I wouldn't use the term birilliant |
16:03.54 | Elsia | but it's soft as you'll gear naturally |
16:03.56 | EvilJohn- | brilliant |
16:04.00 | kebinusan | no, farming cores was terrible |
16:04.01 | EvilJohn- | and all that FR gear was stupid |
16:04.07 | kebinusan | and you didnt need FR for most of the bwl fights |
16:04.10 | kebinusan | even vael didnt require FR |
16:04.12 | cncfanatics | Nandini: they'll just make early wotlk items as good as BT gear again |
16:04.19 | genetik | kebinusan: it did if you were a tank :P |
16:04.21 | kebinusan | and razorgore got nerfed so hard |
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16:04.37 | kebinusan | he used to have an exhaustion debuff like you get on mag when you took control of the orb |
16:04.43 | kebinusan | if it broke early someoen else had to take over |
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16:04.59 | Elsia | razorgore was coordination/DPS check, very well tuned one actually, and vael was a gatekeeper that you wouldn't pass in pre-MC blues. Good design if you ask me |
16:05.09 | EvilJohn- | yeah |
16:05.18 | EvilJohn- | that's what they should be doing |
16:05.22 | EvilJohn- | I think sunwell does that |
16:05.25 | Elsia | much better than canceling raids because you miss 2 vial holders |
16:05.28 | EvilJohn- | but clearly, BT oes not |
16:05.29 | kebinusan | you guys are thinking about how they are now |
16:05.33 | kebinusan | not how they were at release |
16:05.54 | Nandini | everything was impossibly hard at release |
16:05.58 | kebinusan | and same for molten core before they changed how the trash respawns |
16:06.00 | EvilJohn- | that's fine |
16:06.05 | Elsia | soft attunements are the way to go, these hard attumenents are nice to deliver lore but bad for organising raids |
16:06.09 | cncfanatics | everything is ALWAYS impossibly hard at releases |
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16:06.14 | EvilJohn- | the only that proves is that blizzard doesn't learn from it's mistakes |
16:06.15 | cncfanatics | to motivate hardcore guilds |
16:06.22 | cncfanatics | I think its on purpose |
16:06.55 | kebinusan | hard attunements you figure blizzard would have learned from EQ |
16:06.55 | EvilJohn- | yeah |
16:06.55 | EvilJohn- | totally |
16:06.55 | EvilJohn- | same problems tehre |
16:06.55 | Nandini | i don't mind encounter nerfs, to be honest |
16:06.55 | Muuuuu | Hi. Can someone help me with an Addon ? I want an addon that Hides all my Buttons Around my map .. :/ someone know anyting ? |
16:06.55 | Nandini | the people who love the initial challenge get it |
16:06.59 | kebinusan | as it is now iwth 30 day transfers and character flagging, those guilds just starting in BT/MH really have to struggle to keep players and progress |
16:07.04 | Elsia | Muuuu: tried minimap button bag? |
16:07.13 | kebinusan | ideally the 3rd boss in a new zone would drop something to let you back flag people or something |
16:07.17 | cncfanatics | I think they should reimplent the initial unnerfed bosses as "heroic" modes of the raids |
16:07.19 | EvilJohn- | yeah, people do stuff before DESIGNED content nerfs should get some reward for it |
16:07.25 | EvilJohn- | titles, or mounts or something |
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16:07.43 | Muuuuu | tnx |
16:07.45 | Muuuuu | looking |
16:07.49 | kebinusan | some of it is nerfs, some of it is just retuning imo, vashj was way too hard when she mc'd 3 people at a time |
16:07.49 | Elsia | they should have heroics from the start and sensible tuning from the start |
16:08.07 | Elsia | let the hardcore bang their head against kael 1.0 vashj 1.0 and gruul 1.0 |
16:08.15 | Nandini | i thought their reward was fame, because everyone knows them :P (oh wait, we discussed already that 80% of wow players can't name a top raiding guild) |
16:08.21 | Elsia | especially vashj 1.0 was brilliant tuning actually |
16:08.22 | Elsia | see method |
16:08.33 | Elsia | and the hardcore should get of their lazy behind and start a speed-run culture |
16:08.36 | kebinusan | vashj 1.0 was terrible |
16:08.45 | kebinusan | you shouldnt need a soulstone army to beat an encounter |
16:08.47 | Elsia | they need ZA time trials to baby-sit them through that idea |
16:09.14 | Elsia | keb: but that's what made it hardcore |
16:09.15 | Nandini | that's an interesting concept elsia! |
16:09.20 | Elsia | vashj 2.0 isn't a hardcore boss anymore |
16:09.20 | cncfanatics | thats the only thing I don't like about my guild |
16:09.27 | cncfanatics | they WASTE a fucking huge amount of time every raid |
16:09.27 | Nandini | wouldn't it be great if they had dynamic item levels on drops? |
16:09.42 | kebinusan | yeah bring back 1.0 c'thun then |
16:09.50 | kebinusan | :-P |
16:09.56 | EvilJohn- | see |
16:09.57 | Elsia | c'thun was unbeatable, vashj 1.0 wasn't. |
16:09.58 | Muuuuu | Bring back the old good times with cookies and beer m8 |
16:09.59 | Nandini | so for example, you complete a run in 42 minutes, you get an ilvl 150 item, you complete it in 37 mins, you get an ilvl 155 item |
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16:10.19 | kebinusan | Im sure people soulstoned 40 peopel they could have done c'thun |
16:10.23 | selckin | oh the drama that would bring |
16:10.28 | Nandini | that way players could get incremental upgrades for their continued improvements |
16:10.32 | Elsia | just make cross-server Champion of Coilfang titles, that the fastest raid to clear gets. |
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16:10.43 | EvilJohn- | yeah, it hink tha twouls suffice |
16:11.01 | Elsia | people get bragging rights for being the world's fastest |
16:11.02 | EvilJohn- | before goind the crazy path of timed runs and item level scaling, try the smaller, simple things first |
16:11.06 | Nandini | it would have to be a competitive title that is ongoing tho |
16:11.12 | EvilJohn- | also |
16:11.18 | EvilJohn- | allow raids to be watchable by other people |
16:11.40 | Elsia | sure, only the current fastest people hold the title, and they lose it when it's beaten |
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16:11.40 | Nandini | so that if my guild on server x is fastest this week, we get the title, if your guild on server y is faster next week, you get the title |
16:11.50 | EvilJohn- | i'd rather watch DnT learn a boss fight than some stupid 30 second arena mach |
16:11.52 | Elsia | exactly |
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16:12.36 | Nandini | EvilJohn-: they want content to be discovered by experience, not by observation |
16:12.45 | Nandini | which is kind of pointless in the age of youtube |
16:12.48 | EvilJohn- | yes |
16:12.52 | EvilJohn- | that goal is fail |
16:12.58 | EvilJohn- | adapt, move on |
16:13.32 | Nandini | i would love to have an extra 5 observer slots in a raid |
16:13.39 | Nandini | the leader could invite ppl to |
16:13.46 | EvilJohn- | honestly though, IT hink most of the TBC raiding problems right now could have been solved by shuffling the difficulty of bosses. |
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16:13.48 | Elsia | just use the extra 15 raid slots as observers |
16:13.54 | kebinusan | Nandini: that'd be kind of neat |
16:14.18 | Megalon | waaghtv for wow! |
16:14.19 | EvilJohn- | I think there are a lot of raids out there who have the talent to take down kael and vashj |
16:14.20 | Elsia | and allow easy swapping, for subs. now that warlocks can summon from everywhere that'd be easy |
16:14.28 | EvilJohn- | they just can't get the everyone else to stomach the wiping |
16:14.53 | Cheads | it's fun to see how you elitists "discuss" how damn easy every boss is, when 95% of all players will never ever be able to clear BT =) |
16:14.54 | EvilJohn- | that's a great idea |
16:14.55 | Nandini | they have built-in functionality for instance observation now in arena instances, they could extend it with some effort to raid instances as well i would guess |
16:15.06 | EvilJohn- | Cheads: You're missing the point |
16:15.26 | Muuuuu | gief. |
16:15.27 | kebinusan | Cheads: well most players have no desire to raid |
16:15.31 | EvilJohn- | the first bunch of bosses in BT and MH are vastly easier than the bosses that guard their entrance |
16:15.34 | kebinusan | there are plenty of welfare epics for those people now |
16:16.03 | kebinusan | EvilJohn, I agree for rage, but najentus is much more difficult than say supremus |
16:16.06 | Elsia | I actually truly think that blizz wants most of the people who seriously want to raid to have a very good shot at killing illidan pre WotLK. hence all that badge stuff. it's rapid gearing for BT. |
16:16.09 | cncfanatics | Cheads: thing is, when noone in your raid is a retard, every boss IS easy |
16:16.12 | EvilJohn- | people who raid for epics aren't going to raid any more |
16:16.24 | EvilJohn- | people hwo raid for content will sill be there |
16:16.30 | kebinusan | Personally I think vashj is much more difficult than kael |
16:16.41 | kebinusan | kael is a very procedural fight there isnt alot that can go wrong |
16:16.51 | EvilJohn- | I find healers would say that more |
16:16.55 | EvilJohn- | I found kael harder |
16:17.06 | cncfanatics | they're totaly different tbh |
16:17.10 | EvilJohn- | indeed |
16:17.18 | Nandini | my guild is still stuck on alar and hydross due to ok-geared tank and healers but undergeared dps |
16:17.47 | sacarasc | Nandini: you're further than my guild will probably ever get, though ;p |
16:17.51 | Elsia | judging a boss on it's farm difficulty isn't fair... even EJ said that they rewiped on a number of bosses in TBC... something that few people did in vanilla |
16:18.06 | kebinusan | the retard check fights is what will stop most guilds from completing those instances |
16:18.06 | Elsia | i think it's somewhat jaded to call TBC raiding easy |
16:18.10 | Cheads | most guilds have some sort of raid group, and most of those are more casual that you lot... the serious raiders will leave those guilds (since the progress won't be fast enough) .. so that leaves most of the guilds stuck at the first bosses in ssc/tk... so ZA is barely completeably... vasj etc. even less.. since people won't have the experience to raid them often enough |
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16:18.25 | EvilJohn- | yes cheads |
16:18.29 | EvilJohn- | certainly |
16:18.45 | Cheads | atleast most of the guilds are like that on 'my' server |
16:19.17 | Cheads | killing 1, maybe two bosses in TK/ssc |
16:19.19 | Nandini | that's why i think badge gear is a good thing in the end |
16:19.43 | kebinusan | cheads, well you can blame attunements and server transfers for a good part of that |
16:19.45 | Elsia | the idea to boost strangling guilds by rapid regearing is one of the best concepts blizz took on |
16:19.50 | Elsia | despite all the whining it has caused |
16:19.51 | kebinusan | and a bit of enlightened self interest |
16:20.02 | kebinusan | there is no incentive at all to stay with your current guild |
16:20.12 | Elsia | friends? |
16:20.22 | kebinusan | get keyed and move on to a better a guild who only picks up keyed players |
16:20.37 | Elsia | real guilds consist of friends and family, they don't server hop. Just hardcore and loners do |
16:20.38 | doc^bla | whole guilds are coming to my server just to raid |
16:20.40 | Cheads | overpowered gear only helps so much when you have 50 different players raiding once a week (not enough experience of raiding) |
16:21.02 | Elsia | well it helps take the edge of gear checks |
16:21.08 | xyu | casuals dont' belong raiding |
16:21.08 | Cheads | yeah |
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16:21.11 | xyu | stfu in heroics kthx |
16:21.15 | Nandini | overpowered gear helps those 50 ppl learn though, because they'll get it down after 10 wipes and not 30 |
16:21.46 | Cheads | heroics are not much fun after several runs in each... and it is a game after all... supposed to be fun |
16:22.06 | xyu | well ssc and tk are fine for casuals. save for maybe the last bosses of each |
16:22.13 | xyu | TK is a short instance |
16:22.28 | Nandini | and it has predictable trash, i like that |
16:22.34 | Cheads | I dont agree |
16:22.44 | doc^bla | ssc starting with hydross isn't casual friendly |
16:22.45 | Cheads | too hard |
16:22.52 | kebinusan | you can skip hydross |
16:22.52 | Elsia | not sure why xyu should decide what content cheads gets to see ;) |
16:22.54 | kebinusan | and alar |
16:23.00 | kebinusan | nonlinear instance |
16:23.05 | xyu | I'm not deciding, his play time is deciding |
16:23.18 | Nandini | if it's too hard, farm more badges, you'll get there eventually :) |
16:23.27 | Elsia | nah the game design is deciding. you could well design raiding that is more time-commitment flexible |
16:23.42 | xyu | and you will lose high end raiding guilds |
16:23.43 | xyu | its a balance |
16:23.47 | Elsia | see ZG's design, with virtually random access to bosses etc |
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16:24.04 | kebinusan | how could it be more time commitment flexible? every boss stops the trash before it from spawning |
16:24.08 | Elsia | nah you can make a game that's hard for hardcore and casual for casuals |
16:24.10 | kebinusan | and you ahve 7 days to do what you want |
16:24.11 | Cheads | xyu sure the 5% top guilds should decide all the raid contents... |
16:24.20 | Elsia | you can't design against that envy that some hardcores have if others also get to see content |
16:24.26 | Elsia | that's just psychology |
16:24.32 | xyu | They should. They beat new encounters in a week. |
16:24.34 | xyu | and then what do they do? |
16:24.51 | xyu | They're elite for a reason |
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16:24.52 | Nandini | they don't renew their subscriptions. big deal |
16:24.55 | Cheads | xyu do the same the majority do.. .the same over and over... |
16:24.58 | dre^ | they sit on theri bear mounts by teh bank |
16:24.59 | xyu | If everyone could do it, then what's the point? |
16:25.00 | Elsia | lol |
16:25.05 | Elsia | elite my backside |
16:25.20 | Cheads | xyu the point is more get to play the content |
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16:25.47 | xyu | Then step up. I dont' think SSC / TK is that much of a time sink to be honost. |
16:25.50 | Elsia | it's kinda pathetic to need a computer game to feel special, I'm sorry if that's harsh |
16:25.52 | xyu | My guild only raids 3 times a week for 3 hours |
16:25.52 | kebinusan | they arent |
16:25.56 | xyu | and we're on illidan |
16:25.59 | xyu | hardly "hardcore" |
16:26.04 | dre^ | it's obvious by this point that the hardcore players will tolerate an enforced collapsing of the progression curve |
16:26.32 | Cheads | so do our guild.. and we have still only killed lurker, mag, gruul... |
16:26.38 | cncfanatics | xyu: how long did it take you to get there though ? |
16:26.43 | Cheads | like the majority of guilds... more or less |
16:26.47 | xyu | for lack of people? |
16:26.51 | Nandini | grats on being elite xyu! i know i will keep paying my subscription because of your success! |
16:27.02 | xyu | cncfanatics: quite some time. |
16:27.06 | cncfanatics | Nandini: don't QQ ? make useful comments please ? |
16:27.34 | Elsia | it's the issue though.. the main issue is all the ego-tripping, not so much the design |
16:27.36 | CIA-9 | 03gagorian * r64372 10DrDamage/ (Caster.lua Data/Paladin.lua DrDamage.lua): |
16:27.36 | CIA-9 | DrDamage: |
16:27.36 | CIA-9 | - Simplified AB detection code a bit |
16:27.36 | CIA-9 | - Fixed some SoR calc (lower ranks and libram) |
16:27.36 | CIA-9 | - Fixed melee module powercost/DPM for some mana abilities |
16:27.41 | xyu | I'm just saying. There needs to be SOMETHING hard. don't take away high end content so that everyone can see it. |
16:27.52 | Elsia | blizz retunes content to give more people access and hardcores QQ over stuff that they won't even participate in |
16:27.56 | Nandini | i was being facetious, just illustrating the fact that many players do not decide to pay $14.95 a month based on what 5% of other players do |
16:27.58 | Elsia | that is the only issue as I see it currently |
16:28.01 | kebinusan | hello kitty island adventure imo |
16:28.12 | cncfanatics | Elsia: why is that an issue ? |
16:28.15 | Cheads | xyu: as it started to say, it's fun to see how you elitists say every boss is so damn easy when the majority are strugling to get well into ssc/tk |
16:28.15 | kebinusan | I dont know where you get that top 5% thing |
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16:28.22 | kebinusan | raid content has always been a part of MMO's |
16:28.27 | Elsia | cnc: well it actually isn't because Blizz does the right things regardless |
16:28.36 | xyu | Cheads: Then i feel they need to re-evaluate what they're doing wrong. |
16:28.43 | kebinusan | and most of it is accessible to people who have a desire to see it |
16:29.01 | Primer | At first I was upset about the dumbing down of the game, but I figured I would never see this end-game content if this didn't happen. My guild == 5/6 SSC, 2/4 TK |
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16:29.04 | Nandini | what they're doing right is they're paying blizzard $14.95 a month, that has to be blizzard's bottom line |
16:29.22 | cncfanatics | Primer: my guild is 3/4 TK & 5/6 SSC, and I feel I'm going to see most content before wotlk is out |
16:29.30 | kebinusan | that dumbing down of content is how they make encounters accessable to more people |
16:29.32 | cncfanatics | its in november, plenty of time left |
16:29.50 | xyu | dumbing down is fine. catching people up in gear w/ badges is fine, i agree w/ all of that. |
16:29.58 | xyu | But when something is new, it should be difficult. |
16:30.07 | Nandini | it would not make good business sense for blizzard not to cater to the majority of their customers, since there is no evidence that the minority has significantly influed those majority of paying customers |
16:30.28 | Elsia | well they really gotta tune entry level right, but naxx 2.0 may just do that |
16:30.41 | Primer | cncfanatics: I was hoping to get to BT with the currently available instances and gear, but the more I think about this, the more I like it |
16:30.45 | Elsia | they lost massive subscriptions last March/April because raiding was way overtuned |
16:31.05 | Nandini | and they do indulge the majority with excellent challenges when new content is released |
16:31.05 | Elsia | and they know it... lack of entry level raiding content was the biggest part of that, at a 25 man size that is |
16:31.06 | Daemona|ZzZ | it wasnt overtuned, it was challenging :X |
16:31.11 | Primer | I mean, you have to get 25 people to agree to do something, and do it well |
16:31.16 | xyu | In my opinion, and this is just from personal experience. They lose more subscriptions to this PVP crap than they do PvE |
16:31.38 | dre^ | I think a big reason for collapsing the curve is to allow new players the chance to get reasonably close to existing players... keeping the majority of the users as clumped as possible is good for lots of the mechanics of how raiding works |
16:31.38 | kebinusan | guess what cant find 25? there are 10 man raids |
16:31.41 | Nandini | i love the pvp crap, it has kept me paying my subscription tbh. LOL |
16:31.43 | FtH|Daemona | Primer OMGOOOOOOD you had to get FOURTY people to do MC BWL AQ40 NAXX |
16:31.44 | Primer | dre^: how so? |
16:31.56 | kebinusan | personally Id rahter have 40 man raids back, at least then you could have an idiot or two in the guild |
16:32.03 | xyu | Yes Nandini: But a lot of people feel the pvp is lackluster and not moving in the right direction. |
16:32.13 | xyu | I've seen lots of people quite for queues alone. |
16:32.15 | CIA-9 | 03gagorian * r64373 10DrDamage/ (Data/Paladin.lua DrDamage.lua): |
16:32.15 | CIA-9 | DrDamage: |
16:32.15 | CIA-9 | - Added bongos3 support |
16:32.15 | CIA-9 | - The real SoR libram fix |
16:32.15 | dre^ | primer: well take the issue of having enough peopel to run 25 man content in teh first place... if people are too spread out, it's impossibel to find enough people at a simmilar level of progression |
16:32.18 | Primer | FtH|Daemona: heh, that was before my time. I didn't start playing til January last year |
16:32.20 | Nandini | i agree, there are many other better choices for "real" pvp action |
16:32.21 | kebinusan | the blaance in PVP is broken |
16:32.25 | kebinusan | meleecraft |
16:32.26 | cncfanatics | dre^: people used to be able to find 40 |
16:32.32 | cncfanatics | 25 is a cakewalk with some work :/ |
16:32.37 | Primer | dre^: that doesn't explain why pvp is the problem |
16:32.40 | dre^ | yes, at level 60 |
16:32.44 | FtH|Daemona | Primer then dont QQ about having to 25... |
16:32.45 | kebinusan | cant find 25 on your server transfer to a higher pop one |
16:32.47 | xyu | I haven't heard of anyone quitting the game because "I can't make it into a BT raiding guild" |
16:32.49 | cncfanatics | dre^: why would that be different at 70 ? |
16:32.51 | dre^ | and I didn't say anything about pvp ;) |
16:32.51 | xyu | but i'm sure they're out there. |
16:32.55 | Nandini | but honestly, most people (myself included) don't pvp for the action, they pvp for free epics |
16:32.57 | dre^ | cncfanatics: greater spread, pretty simple... |
16:33.03 | cncfanatics | how so ? |
16:33.05 | Primer | FtH|Daemona: I don't know how you got the impression I was complaining |
16:33.07 | dre^ | 70 > 60 |
16:33.18 | FtH|Daemona | last night we PUG'd SSC / TK at 11pm -.- |
16:33.29 | FtH|Daemona | you just have to put in the effort |
16:33.34 | xyu | my server has a few PUG ssc/TK's |
16:33.42 | cncfanatics | FtH|Daemona: people dont want to put the effort |
16:33.42 | Primer | dre^: oh, my bad, it was xyu |
16:33.44 | xyu | as well as "Alt hyjals" |
16:33.48 | Elsia | full server population or low/medium? |
16:33.49 | xyu | what? sorry didn't see |
16:33.55 | FtH|Daemona | cncfanatics yeah, hand me the badges, hand me the gear |
16:33.59 | dre^ | PUGs of any 25m raid are unheard of on my realm, heh... |
16:34.01 | Nandini | i pugged TK before we had enough geared up in my guild to start attempting it |
16:34.03 | Elsia | certainly there are exactly 0 SSC/TK pugs on my server, but we are medium |
16:34.11 | Nandini | but on my low pop realm, no one would dare try it |
16:34.14 | cncfanatics | Elsia: get on kazzak |
16:34.20 | cncfanatics | there are gruul, magh , tk & ssc pugs |
16:34.23 | Elsia | cnc: Nah I stay with my friends |
16:34.31 | FtH|Daemona | dunno, i would have to logout and check how populated eu-destromath is ;) |
16:34.38 | FtH|Daemona | i'd assume high / closed |
16:34.38 | xyu | Yeah w/o friends there's nothing |
16:34.40 | Elsia | server transfer: one of the worst inventions of blizz in my book |
16:34.48 | FtH|Daemona | as it has constant free transfer away since mid januar |
16:34.57 | dre^ | we flip back and forth between "low" and "medium".. my guild is #3 horde side, and we met illadin for the first time last week |
16:34.57 | Nandini | it makes them more money elsia, an alternative revenue stream |
16:35.02 | Elsia | it was meant to bring friends together, instead it has created raiding mecca servers |
16:35.16 | Primer | I think I've only ever seen 3 or 4 players in full T6 on my realm |
16:35.33 | doc^bla | i have 2 full t6 sets ;) |
16:35.51 | xyu | i'm saving for sunwell's t6 :P |
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16:35.57 | Primer | I know of only 5 guilds doing BT, 2 of which down Illidan regularly |
16:36.16 | doc^bla | we don't have dkp, i don't have to save |
16:36.17 | dre^ | what's up with the lack of additional set bonuses on the t6 anyway? :/ |
16:36.18 | kebinusan | there is only one guild on my realm on illidan and only two guilds in BT |
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16:36.21 | kebinusan | thats alliance and horde |
16:36.24 | Elsia | a typical server has 0-2 illidan killing groups tops |
16:36.30 | xyu | doc^bla: static 25? |
16:36.41 | Xinhuan | dre^, the gear in sunwell is better than the gear in bt/hyjal |
16:36.45 | Nandini | they want to give you the freedom to pick and choose 4/8 pieces and replace others with sunwell drops |
16:36.45 | Xinhuan | so the t6 in sunwell is meant to |
16:36.53 | Xinhuan | replace some of your bt/hyjal gear |
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16:36.55 | doc^bla | no, loot council. you say need, they decide |
16:36.56 | Xinhuan | along with the non-set pieces |
16:37.01 | Xinhuan | and yet you don't lose the 2 or 4 pc bonus |
16:37.12 | Nandini | precisely |
16:37.24 | dre^ | yeah, but I woudl have hoped that additional bonuses woudl be granted for players who did manage to get t6 items from hyjal / bt |
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16:37.43 | dre^ | didnt a lot of the lvl 60 8 pieces have like... more than 2 set bonuses? |
16:37.43 | xyu | i'm interested in seeing if mages will go arcane in 2.4. I hope not but it's possible. 2pT5 4PT6 |
16:38.08 | Nandini | yes, there were minor bonuses for having 6 or 8 pieces of t2 |
16:38.24 | kenlyric | 3, 5, 8 |
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16:38.40 | kenlyric | t3 had 2, 4, 6, 8 |
16:38.53 | Nandini | usually the raw stats on having 5 or 8 pieces was more useful than the extra set bonus for most classes |
16:38.57 | kenlyric | (and nine pieces) |
16:38.58 | cncfanatics | the 8pc bonusses were OP |
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16:39.06 | cncfanatics | some at least |
16:39.09 | doc^bla | my server has 12 guilds with illidan down :> and it's not even a big one |
16:39.10 | Nandini | hmm maybe OP for some classes, yes |
16:39.13 | cncfanatics | t2 8pc for mages was OP |
16:39.25 | dre^ | doc^bla: that seems well above average to me |
16:39.26 | xyu | i loved mages who pvp'd in full netherwind. sure they got a proc PoM but they had like 5300 hp :P |
16:39.41 | cncfanatics | xyu: I used to do that |
16:39.43 | cncfanatics | in the old AV |
16:39.47 | kenlyric | t2 3 piece set was irreplaceable for priests. |
16:39.50 | Nandini | stand on a hill and BOOM |
16:39.51 | cncfanatics | just hide behind a tree and spam fireball |
16:39.59 | doc^bla | that's why raid guilds are transferswarming us, dre^ :( |
16:40.00 | kenlyric | still would be, if they hadn't nerfed it |
16:40.34 | xyu | what was priest 3p bonus? |
16:40.41 | dre^ | how does transferswarming actaully impact your raidindg though? or is it just annoying in other ways? |
16:40.42 | cncfanatics | 15% mana regen while casting ? |
16:40.45 | cncfanatics | :unsure: |
16:40.46 | kenlyric | 15% mana regen in combat |
16:40.50 | kenlyric | same as druid |
16:40.51 | xyu | oh wow |
16:41.07 | cncfanatics | priests wld farm bwl for it if they didnt change it |
16:41.17 | xyu | hah no kidding |
16:41.23 | cncfanatics | seriously :p |
16:41.31 | kenlyric | even PMC is hard to break. |
16:41.51 | xyu | there was a nice trinket from there too wasnt' there? reguvinating gme |
16:41.52 | xyu | gem |
16:41.54 | xyu | or whatever |
16:41.54 | kenlyric | but, much less so |
16:41.58 | xyu | i heard some 70's use that too |
16:42.02 | kenlyric | xyu: speak not of the gem. |
16:42.26 | Nandini | lest it be nerfed for those who still have it? |
16:42.33 | kenlyric | no, i'm fine with that |
16:42.47 | kenlyric | it never dropped for us |
16:42.55 | cncfanatics | the mage trinket is still used too |
16:42.55 | kenlyric | nor onyxia trinket |
16:42.57 | cncfanatics | mind quickening gem |
16:43.01 | cncfanatics | it gives a SILLY amount of spell haste |
16:43.03 | Nandini | i really need to go back and farm that druid maul/swipe idol with the change to swipe in 2.4 |
16:43.27 | Nandini | i guess the change to lacerate may still make swipe less useful even in tight quarters with CCed mobs |
16:43.56 | Nandini | but there are still some times when i know i will be swipe tanking trash, so it would be good to ahve |
16:44.31 | dre^ | I like swiping when it crits on two or three targets at the same time... yummy rage |
16:44.56 | Nandini | i put on an elemental sharpening stone for exactly that reason :) |
16:45.07 | Nandini | no better way to start a fight with full rage! |
16:45.14 | kenlyric | I did the math once, 0/40 for onyxia, 0/66 for three drakes. and 0/24 or so for the time I spent in karazhan |
16:45.21 | Nandini | omg the sharpening/weightstones in 2.4 will make us OP though i think |
16:45.22 | dre^ | wait a minute, there are temp weapon buffs for druids?!? |
16:45.27 | kenlyric | I no longer hold hope out of ever having an epic trinket drop. |
16:45.34 | Nandini | yes, you can use elemental sharpening stone for 28 crit rating |
16:45.50 | Nandini | and in 2.4, you can use adamantite sharpening/weightstones for 12 weapon dmg and 14 crit rating |
16:46.04 | dre^ | oh, blacksmithing :/ |
16:46.09 | Nandini | if you are on a new or low pop server, you may not have any blacksmiths who can make elemental sharpening stones |
16:46.22 | Nandini | it's like a 3% drop off of 3 bosses in MC |
16:46.26 | dre^ | oh, but doesn't require BS skill to use! nice |
16:46.30 | kenlyric | the last trinket which I had drop was mar'li's eye in february '06 |
16:46.47 | Nandini | but in 2.4, you can use widely available adamantite varieties |
16:46.55 | Nandini | and pump out some insane dps |
16:47.10 | Nandini | adding 12 damage to our base 55 dps paws is a HUGE increase |
16:47.26 | dre^ | whoa, +weapon damage works for druids?!? |
16:47.38 | Nandini | it already works if it's not a weapon enchant |
16:47.41 | dre^ | (I'm still a druid noob if that's not obvious... main is a resto shaman) |
16:47.52 | Nandini | but in 2.4, temporary weapon enchants will work on our paws too for +dmg |
16:47.57 | Polarina | <!-- No, I don't think this name is long enough. Yes, I would name it something longer if I could. Hrm. I probably should have put DDL in there for a touch of hungarian.--> |
16:47.58 | Polarina | InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoad(self) |
16:48.31 | Xinhuan | heh whats the limit on variable naming length in lua? |
16:48.36 | dre^ | I like the token underscore in there |
16:49.09 | Nandini | _OnLoad makes it an automatic handler, yes? |
16:49.29 | Xinhuan | lua> InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoad = 1; print(InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoad) |
16:49.29 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1 |
16:49.42 | Xinhuan | lua> InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoadabcdefgabcdefgabcdefg = 1; print(InterfaceOptionsDisplayPanelWorldPVPObjectiveDisplay_OnLoadabcdefgabcdefgabcdefg) |
16:49.42 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1 |
16:49.54 | Xinhuan | maybe the limit is something quite unreachable |
16:50.01 | clad|office | i'm not sure there is one |
16:50.07 | clad|office | since its just an index into the genv |
16:50.09 | clad|office | locals, maybe :P |
16:50.12 | Polarina | Xinhuan: The limit is the limit of a string. :) |
16:50.17 | Xinhuan | what about a local |
16:50.20 | clad|office | but the regexp for identifiers in the lexer doesn't havea limit |
16:50.22 | Xinhuan | its not an index in any table |
16:50.32 | Polarina | Xinhuan: You'll run out of memory prior to reaching the limit in most cases. |
16:50.35 | kenlyric | how hard is it to include required libs in x-embed? really? |
16:50.47 | kenlyric | like this is 2006 or some shit |
16:50.52 | Xinhuan | C's limit is 32 chars is it? or is it 64 |
16:50.53 | kenlyric | stabstabstab |
16:51.31 | Polarina | Xinhuan: The specification provides a minimum which I don't recall at the moment. |
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16:52.29 | dre^ | ho ho: http://www.xkcd.com/376/ |
16:53.41 | kenlyric | fuck a duck on a fucking cracker |
16:53.53 | kenlyric | this mod put standalone libraries in x-embed... |
16:54.27 | kenlyric | thank god, now I have metrognome! |
16:54.48 | Nandini | i get the subtle impression that you're displeased with an addon's library handling... care to tell us more? :) |
16:54.59 | kenlyric | several, actually |
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16:58.21 | chiper | NivFreak: ping |
16:58.40 | NivFreak | hi |
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17:21.33 | Hjalte | Oh crap, something is making my incoming whispers not appear in my chatframe. |
17:23.14 | genetik | make sure it's not unchecked? |
17:23.49 | Hjalte | Yeah, just checked. |
17:23.57 | Hjalte | I see outgoing whispers fine |
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17:24.39 | chiper | are you sure you are being whispered? |
17:25.37 | Nandini | whisper yourself |
17:26.18 | Anadale | Zeksie, there is a bug in your latest update |
17:26.36 | Zeksie | go on.. i'm prolly about to post the fix to it ;) |
17:26.39 | Anadale | I've made a quick fix |
17:26.41 | NivFreak | Hjalte: wim? |
17:27.15 | Anadale | local rid = strmatch( unit.unitid, "raid(%d+)" ) |
17:27.15 | Anadale | local subgroup = rid and select(3, GetRaidRosterInfo(tonumber(rid))) or 1 -- Fix for rosterlib's occasional group barf |
17:27.32 | Anadale | there is 3 places that cause an errors |
17:27.41 | Zeksie | yes, i'd done a fix for it too |
17:27.56 | Anadale | ok, waiting for update through WAU |
17:28.01 | Zeksie | k |
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17:28.29 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64375 10ZOMGBuffs/ (8 files in 6 dirs): |
17:28.29 | CIA-9 | ZOMGBuffs |
17:28.29 | CIA-9 | - Fixed various issues with PallyPower Comms module |
17:28.29 | CIA-9 | - Fixed more issues with subgroup numbers working around the RosterLib bug. |
17:28.29 | CIA-9 | - Fixed Drag and Drop of blessings in manager. |
17:28.44 | NivFreak | what a terrible name |
17:28.47 | NivFreak | what does it do :) |
17:28.49 | Zeksie | i'll do a proper fix for it at some point and drop roster lib |
17:29.00 | Anadale | it ZOMGBuffs :) |
17:29.17 | Zeksie | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11887.0 |
17:29.53 | Megalon | "zertainly omits myself giving buffs"! |
17:30.19 | Anadale | ;) |
17:31.10 | NivFreak | Zeksie: does it let me do raid leader level assignments and see who fails to buff? ;) |
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17:31.53 | Zeksie | if palas, yeah. other classes not so much. but you can see easily whole raid's buffs at a glance. and you can see which pala is slacking |
17:32.24 | Zeksie | raid leader can setup blessings tho, pala or not |
17:32.35 | Zeksie | and the auto generated stuff is just heavenly |
17:33.30 | NivFreak | it'd be awesome to have it coordinate for the entire raid |
17:33.45 | NivFreak | I hate having to use both pally power and XRS |
17:33.56 | NivFreak | and I have no clear way to automatically pass out buff assignments |
17:34.15 | FtH|Daemona | ustream is some fun stuff.... |
17:34.24 | Zeksie | yeah, can do that here for blessings. and other classes who use it can enable the auto-group assignments option to share out the work |
17:34.30 | FtH|Daemona | till a dps warrior starts streaming our guild run on supremus -.- |
17:34.46 | NivFreak | Zeksie: so if I force everyone to use it, can I see who is assigned what? |
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17:35.02 | NivFreak | and does it handle shouts? |
17:35.15 | Zeksie | for blessings, yes. i've not gone that far with other buffs yet |
17:35.28 | Zeksie | it'll do shouts, but the use of that is a little limited. |
17:36.24 | Grum | Zeksie: screenshot please! |
17:36.38 | NivFreak | Zeksie: cool, how stable is it atm? |
17:36.40 | Kaelten | no not screenies! |
17:36.55 | Kaelten | ack! |
17:37.07 | Zeksie | working out kinks mostly. works for some, others have a couple of issues |
17:37.38 | Nandini | yes, i have developed obsessive compulsive disorder after attempting to use it |
17:37.47 | Grum | screenshot! |
17:37.50 | NivFreak | Zeksie: looks very interesting :) |
17:37.51 | Grum | give me the sexy looks |
17:37.52 | Nandini | you may want to add that to the list of potential side effects |
17:37.59 | Zeksie | Screenies on: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/11630/ |
17:38.33 | Hjalte | Zeksie: ZOMGBuffs was the addon blocking my incoming whispers :) |
17:38.53 | Zeksie | odd.. it should only block stuff with !zomg or !buff prefix |
17:39.03 | mikma | AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA |
17:39.23 | mikma | my guildmembers are saying that RECOUNT caused Silvermoon's instanceserver crash moment ago |
17:39.23 | Grum | Zeksie: its sexy if it will do what it says on the tin |
17:39.25 | Grum | so nice work :) |
17:39.36 | Zeksie | heh |
17:39.37 | Grum | sure |
17:39.42 | Grum | recount can do that! |
17:39.47 | Grum | O.O |
17:39.56 | mikma | sure! |
17:40.17 | mikma | they said something like "it's because recount sends data for all players, so if one uses recount everyone gets it!" |
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17:40.19 | Zeksie | been working on it a while, and we've been using it in guild. most of the bugs since last nite were caused by having to setup the modules crap |
17:41.07 | NeoTron | mikma: there's no lack of stupidity out there |
17:41.17 | Grum | mikma: omg ... that is exactly what KTM, Omen, oRA2, CTRA etc .. name a bloody addon ... does |
17:41.44 | NeoTron | Zeksie: interesting addon |
17:42.49 | Zeksie | can't tell much from 1st screenshot, but that first bar you see expands upwards for each player in raid. and icons for different raid buffs which show brightly for ppl missing those buffs |
17:43.04 | Zeksie | the initials at the top of the blessings show which pala does that column |
17:43.11 | mikma | NeoTron: yeah baby :D |
17:43.21 | mikma | Grum: that's what i had to tell them :D |
17:43.24 | Elsia | I doubt that recount can crash a server |
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17:43.38 | NeoTron | obviously |
17:43.41 | kenlyric | we should work for that |
17:43.49 | mikma | they *really* said that recount sends it data globally to all players in the server :D |
17:44.01 | chiper | recount doesnt even send anything to the server, does it? it's all passive |
17:44.12 | Grum | mikma: if that is true then blizzard has broken the server |
17:44.17 | Grum | its not passive |
17:44.23 | Grum | it shares in the 'partychannel' |
17:44.30 | Grum | (it being a raid or party) |
17:44.36 | Grum | which it should |
17:44.48 | Zeksie | Hjalte: do you use some chat mod? WIM or something like it? |
17:45.04 | mikma | Grum: yeah, i know that and i tried to explain it to them too :D |
17:45.08 | NeoTron | Zeksie: I'll check that addon otu and if it turns out as nice as it looks, I assume I need to convince all my buffers to use it? |
17:45.12 | mikma | but did they understand? no |
17:45.14 | NeoTron | or at the very least paladins? |
17:45.14 | mikma | oh well |
17:45.16 | sag_ich_nicht | [18:38] <Zeksie> odd.. it should only block stuff with !zomg or !buff prefix <--you shouldn't use whispers for addon communication |
17:45.23 | sag_ich_nicht | please stop doing that lern2addon msgs |
17:45.25 | Zeksie | hehe. prolly not all buffers. i'd start on the paladins and work from there |
17:45.26 | mikma | now i said that you guys will start to code a feature in recount that can crash server |
17:45.44 | NeoTron | sag_ich_nicht: I think that's a way for a person without the addon to get info |
17:45.49 | sag_ich_nicht | gah |
17:45.53 | sag_ich_nicht | i hate that |
17:45.53 | Zeksie | sag_ich_nich: you should if it's a chat repsonder so someone can ask for a buff automatically |
17:45.54 | sag_ich_nicht | D: |
17:45.55 | Hjalte | Zeksie: Fubar_Whisperfu, that's how i learned that I didnt receive incoming whispers, as it was still showing them. |
17:46.47 | Zeksie | will look at it. but whispers are just fine for me atm. |
17:47.17 | Zeksie | uses the exact same hook mechanism that CraftList2 does |
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17:48.00 | Hjalte | Zeksie: When disabling ZOMGBuffs through the fubar icon, all my whispers appeared in the chat-frame. |
17:48.37 | Zeksie | yeah. loading up whisperfu now |
17:49.35 | FtH|Daemona | is zomgbuffs wim compatible |
17:49.38 | Zeksie | ye |
17:50.04 | Muuuuu | Emh. Got a problem here. I just installed Elkbuffbar and when i put buff on the Blizzard Orginal Buff Shows up :/ how do i get rid of them ? |
17:50.09 | Zeksie | loaded whisperfu, sent myself a tell and.... it works |
17:51.11 | Chompers | Zeksie: your addon could be a pallypower replacent |
17:51.18 | Chompers | looking forward to trying it out in a raid |
17:51.44 | NeoTron | I installed pally power once |
17:51.51 | NeoTron | it confused me so I uninstalled it :) |
17:51.57 | Zeksie | our palas haven't looked back. one click from one person and all blessings are setup for the raid. |
17:52.07 | NeoTron | does it use templates? |
17:52.09 | Zeksie | once you tell it which druids are tanks/healers etc. etc. |
17:52.11 | Zeksie | yes |
17:52.14 | NeoTron | cool |
17:52.19 | Chompers | little overwhelming at the moment, im hoping it makes more sense in raid |
17:52.26 | NeoTron | so your addon is to raid buffing what my addon is to raid icon marking |
17:52.28 | Zeksie | yeah. it's a lot to take in i know |
17:52.34 | Zeksie | perzactly |
17:53.42 | Zeksie | Hjalte: check whisperfu hadn't blocked things as spam whispers or something. cos it seems to function just fine at this end, using the latest version on wau |
17:55.02 | Hjalte | Zeksie: I'm not having spam blocked by WhisperFU, I am however having it blocked by KivinSpamGuard - That could be it too, I suppose? |
17:55.52 | Gnarfoz | anyone using trillian here got any problems connecting to icq today? |
17:56.23 | xyu | WARN: Unable to determine the class for "XXX". XXX = mage in mechanar, (Magicmarker) any reasons why this could happen? |
17:57.07 | Thrae | Any Wowace forum mods available? |
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17:57.21 | Thrae | Kaelten: I also need a Curse staff member too |
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17:57.37 | Gnarfoz | he is both, anyway |
17:57.43 | Anadale | zeksie: AceLocale(ZOMGBlessingsManager): Translation "%s %s, Please use these buff settings:" does not exist. |
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17:57.56 | Thrae | Yeah, but he may not be available right now |
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17:58.22 | Kaelten | *hides under a rock* |
17:58.23 | Gnarfoz | just gave himself ops, I think he's there ;) |
17:58.27 | NeoTron | xyu: it might happen if the person isn't loaded yet |
17:58.29 | NeoTron | xyu: I think |
17:58.43 | ValleG | Question on WAU, to weed out the unused libraries, what's the easiest way, delete all libs are just update addons? |
17:58.58 | NeoTron | I had it happen for myself but fixed it. I guess it can happen to anyone and maybe shouldn't be a warning |
17:58.59 | Gnarfoz | ValleG: using WAU, yes |
17:59.14 | Gnarfoz | ValleG: jWU has a function dedicated to that, though |
17:59.21 | ValleG | rawr |
17:59.31 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: don't tell anyone *shhh* |
17:59.49 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: you're not helping things by talking in the channel ;D |
17:59.56 | Kaelten | eck! |
18:00.22 | ValleG | i don't even remember if i have java installed |
18:00.42 | ValleG | snap! i do |
18:00.47 | Gnarfoz | a machine without a JRE? blasphemy! |
18:00.54 | xyu | NeoTron: we've been through the whole instance |
18:00.56 | xyu | he's loaded :) |
18:00.59 | xyu | we're at the last boss now |
18:01.35 | Chompers | Zeksie: ZOMGBuffs-64357\ZOMGBuffs.lua:3353: attempt to index field 'reagents' (a nil value) |
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18:01.53 | ValleG | Gnarfoz, too bad it looks like one of those cheap ripoffs / fake programs :) |
18:02.07 | Chompers | Zeksie: talked to a vendor |
18:02.31 | Gnarfoz | ValleG: dunno, never used it. just recalled someone saying that it has that functionality |
18:02.34 | Gnarfoz | ~jwu |
18:02.34 | purl | JWowUpdater is a java based tool for updating your World of Warcraft addons. http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5917 |
18:02.44 | CIA-9 | 03jncl * r64376 10Abakus/Abakus.toc: Abakus: Added category and version info to TOC |
18:02.47 | Elsia | lua> function l:t() print("b") end a = { "a",l:t() } a["a"]() |
18:02.48 | lua_bot | Elsia: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'l' (a nil value) |
18:03.16 | Elsia | lua> local l = {} function l:t() print("b") end a = { "a",l:t() } a["a"]() |
18:03.16 | lua_bot | Elsia: b, luabot:1: attempt to call field 'a' (a nil value) |
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18:07.40 | Zhinjio | is there a global that provides class string colors (|cFF00FF00 formats) like RAID_CLASS_COLORS provides the rgbs? |
18:08.13 | nevcairiel | Zhinjio: create it yourself =p |
18:08.30 | Zhinjio | *nod* ... I am already... just wondering if I was wasting effort |
18:08.35 | Grum | lua> local l = {}; function l:t() print("b") end; a = { "a" = l:t() }; a["a"]() |
18:08.36 | lua_bot | Grum: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
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18:08.44 | Grum | i also fail |
18:08.57 | nevcairiel | that line fails in so many aspects |
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18:09.15 | nevcairiel | first off, the syntax is ["a"] = stuff in table contructor |
18:09.24 | Zedde | is there some way you could move the ability and char window ? |
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18:09.36 | nevcairiel | second, you already call the function l:t() in your constructor, rather then assignung a function ref |
18:09.50 | nevcairiel | *assigning |
18:10.28 | nevcairiel | lua> local l = {}; function l:t() print("b") end; a = { ["a"] = l.t }; a["a"]() |
18:10.28 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: b |
18:10.47 | Elsia | tnx |
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18:12.20 | Grum | <nevcairiel> first off, the syntax is ["a"] = stuff in table contructor <-- that is not always true right? |
18:12.24 | NeoTron | xyu: honestly no clue then |
18:12.40 | NeoTron | xyu: someone reported that UnitClass(X) didn't work for a player - is it a 5-man or a raid? |
18:13.06 | nevcairiel | Grum: its either { a = "stuff" } or { ["a"] = "stuff"} .. the first one doesnt work for numbers, or strings with spaces, or any other datatype |
18:13.19 | Grum | yeah |
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18:17.28 | NeoTron | so I learned yesterday that our guild bank has about 60000 gold in cash |
18:17.40 | Primer | damn |
18:17.48 | NeoTron | "cash" rather. Meaning excluding items/mats/stuff |
18:18.01 | NeoTron | making a killing on selling HoD's cheaply (350g or so a pop) |
18:18.11 | Primer | HoD? |
18:18.16 | NeoTron | Heart of Darkness |
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18:18.49 | NeoTron | we have a lot of guilds earlier in BT now and all need SH for shahraz |
18:19.15 | NeoTron | plus a lot of people probably want the crafted bracers/shoulders when the price is getting that "low" |
18:19.32 | Primer | heh, I've been struggling to get another 5k gold for my priest's epic flyer |
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18:19.57 | NeoTron | well there's a bit of a difference between soloing and a rather large and highend raiding guild ;-) |
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18:20.54 | NeoTron | have a nice guild bank setup - you send in items and get credits ~= avg AH price. you can then request items and get them for 20% off avg AH price |
18:21.27 | Primer | what do people charge for nether vortex on your realm? |
18:21.39 | NeoTron | still sit around 1000g I believe |
18:21.44 | Primer | On mine they go for 1k |
18:21.46 | NivFreak | same |
18:21.48 | NeoTron | think we recently sold one for that |
18:21.54 | p3lim | 850 on my server :o |
18:22.00 | NivFreak | they are going to drop like a rock when 2.4 hits |
18:22.07 | Primer | people have been trying to sell theirs off before the patch |
18:22.07 | NeoTron | yep |
18:22.14 | CIA-9 | 03elsia 072.4 * r64377 10Recount/Tracker.lua: |
18:22.14 | CIA-9 | Recount: |
18:22.14 | CIA-9 | - Changed combat log parsing from if-chains to table lookup for performance boost. |
18:22.15 | NeoTron | I'm surprised ppl still buy them at that price |
18:22.29 | NeoTron | Elsia: nice |
18:22.29 | p3lim | its still a while until 2.4 tho |
18:22.34 | genetik | i'm still trying to offload all of the boe patterns we got from tier 5 |
18:22.40 | NeoTron | the lack of a decent "switch" in lua is annoying ;-) |
18:22.51 | NeoTron | and with decent switch I mean one capable of handlign strings and other entities |
18:23.26 | NeoTron | so after farming BT / hyjal for >2 months we have only gotten _2_ nimble thought shoulder patterns |
18:23.34 | NeoTron | we've gotten a shitton of other stuff |
18:23.36 | Saroz | Funkeh`, hyjal is not showing the name of the mobs in the waves anymore |
18:23.51 | kergoth | can always implement your own switch with a jump table of sorts |
18:23.55 | kergoth | value->funcref |
18:23.56 | Saroz | Funkeh`, nm |
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18:27.17 | NeoTron | kergoth: well yes, using a table is a workaround |
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18:27.50 | NeoTron | the switch in the Pike language can work on anything since it has shared strings etc. so the string "XYZ" is always the exact same string as another "XYZ" |
18:28.05 | NeoTron | this switch("XYZ") is really just a switch on an integer (memory address of the string) |
18:28.30 | NeoTron | my point being, it's faster than a table lookup most likely |
18:29.09 | NeoTron | still I'd much rather use a table lookup than a long if / elseif/elseif/else type setup |
18:29.16 | kergoth | possibly.. but lua's table lookups are pretty quick |
18:29.23 | kergoth | yeah, for code cleanliness, i'd agree |
18:29.49 | kergoth | if there are any other presidents of hte usa fans around, their new cd came out yesterday, check the video of one of the songs on http://www.presidentsrock.com/ |
18:29.51 | kergoth | <3 pusa |
18:31.18 | NeoTron | table lookup is clearly better yes |
18:31.53 | NeoTron | but obviously since it's recommended to use upvalues, it is faster not to |
18:32.23 | kergoth | huh, this zomgbuffs thing seems kinda nice |
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18:33.47 | NeoTron | wonder if it's possible to implement UnitName(unit ID) (unit ID isn't necessarily the GUID but the unit type ID) |
18:34.20 | NeoTron | I mean if Blizzard can implement it. I so wish to be able to get the name from a non-localized value without a big lookup table of badness |
18:34.33 | Industrial | kergoth: what zomgbuffs thinf |
18:34.36 | Industrial | thing* |
18:34.51 | kergoth | Industrial: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/11630/ |
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18:41.37 | CIA-9 | 03jerry 072.4 * r64378 10Links/Links/Links.lua: Links: (2.4 branch) fix anchoring, fix spell link test. |
18:42.01 | CIA-9 | 03ulic * r64379 10LittleWigs/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
18:42.01 | CIA-9 | LittleWigs: |
18:42.01 | CIA-9 | - The beginning of work on Magisters' Terrace modules (untested, need more transcriptor logs please, heroic & normal) |
18:42.01 | CIA-9 | - Could someone update the .bat & .sh files for me? |
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18:45.20 | Dashkal | hmm, that looks handy for actually remembering to buff thorns on the tank... |
18:46.00 | Dashkal | 10 min buffs suck (and there's a reason I never rolled a paladin) |
18:46.20 | cncfanatics | NeoTron: u'd basicly have blizz do a table lookup for you ? :p |
18:46.47 | kergoth | rofl, the chorus of this pusa song is "Don't ever get involved with a french girl..". "French girl pouts and wonders about the world... she blames the darkness for wearing scratchy wool in the sun.." |
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18:48.34 | NeoTron | cncfanatics: well, right |
18:48.45 | NeoTron | but just like item info, I assume the data is already in the client, cached |
18:49.14 | cncfanatics | NeoTron: yea, probably |
18:49.34 | NeoTron | would be nice now when we have the unit ID |
18:49.55 | cncfanatics | I guess you could ask$ |
18:50.02 | cncfanatics | unit ID's aren't constant as far as I know though |
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18:50.21 | cncfanatics | so you'd still have to localize stuff if you only want to do something for a certain mob |
18:54.00 | NeoTron | cncfanatics: they are |
18:54.09 | NeoTron | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18695 <-- unit ID |
18:54.21 | NeoTron | it's a small part of the UnitGUID |
18:54.43 | NeoTron | basically GUID ~= ID |
18:55.10 | cncfanatics | a GUID is constant for a mob ??? |
18:55.16 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64380 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua): |
18:55.16 | CIA-9 | WitchHunt: |
18:55.16 | CIA-9 | - Add color customization support to the messages. Now everyone can be happy and fit the messages into their evil happy kitty layouts or other abominations. |
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18:55.20 | cncfanatics | oh, ID |
18:55.23 | cncfanatics | nvm, I'm getting confused |
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18:56.07 | NeoTron | right |
18:56.14 | Josh_Borke | left |
18:56.21 | NeoTron | GUID = unique, ID = 16 bit ID that's part of the GUID |
18:56.47 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64381 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitcHunt: bugfix for hello kitty horror |
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18:59.53 | NeoTron | does 2.4 add spell ID's so you don't need localizes spell names anymore? |
19:00.03 | NeoTron | I mean for parsing purposes |
19:00.50 | p3lim | that would be very very nice |
19:01.03 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64382 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua): WitchHunt: add a description to the color dialog |
19:01.48 | [Ammo] | it does Neotron |
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19:03.25 | NeoTron | cool |
19:03.45 | NeoTron | will make my next planned addon easier :P |
19:04.01 | NeoTron | is there already some addon that does spell ID => spell name / class? |
19:04.06 | NeoTron | or class => list of spell Id's? :) |
19:04.20 | [Ammo] | name, rank, icon = GetSpellInfo(spellID) |
19:04.21 | [Ammo] | ec |
19:04.22 | [Ammo] | etc |
19:05.51 | NeoTron | hmm |
19:06.06 | NeoTron | doesn't seem to include duration |
19:06.46 | [Ammo] | it includes a lot more return vars |
19:06.50 | [Ammo] | but dunno :) |
19:07.01 | CIA-9 | 03zhinjio * r64383 10/branches/SKG/ (7 files): |
19:07.01 | CIA-9 | SuicideKingsGeo : |
19:07.01 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
19:07.01 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
19:07.01 | CIA-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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19:07.28 | Dashkal | woot, zomgbuffs is on wowace. easy updating ftw |
19:07.35 | NeoTron | name, rank, icon, cost, isFunnel, powerType, castTime, minRange, maxRange according to wowwiki |
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19:09.54 | Industrial | Dashkal: wowace is not for easy updating |
19:10.01 | Industrial | its for testing new unreleased versions |
19:10.24 | [Ammo] | poor industrial and his ever failing crusade against wowace |
19:10.28 | Industrial | srsly |
19:11.03 | Dashkal | wowace is a community. about the only thing it really is |
19:11.42 | Fisker- | moar liek poor me :( |
19:11.54 | Industrial | The faith (force?) in me is strong. One day justice will come upon you, you will all be smitten, and I will win the internets. |
19:11.57 | FtH|Daemona | poor Fisker- :( |
19:11.57 | Mudkipz | lolwut? |
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19:12.23 | Fisker- | exacly |
19:12.26 | Fisker- | exactly* |
19:12.27 | Fisker- | poor me :( |
19:12.37 | Industrial | heretics! |
19:13.21 | Dashkal | *cyclone* oh wait, they nerfed that. and I don't wanna get that close... |
19:13.42 | Fisker- | can i enter jerusalem now? |
19:14.17 | Mudkipz | they changed cyclone? |
19:14.22 | Dashkal | 20 yards now |
19:14.25 | Fisker- | = win |
19:14.27 | Mudkipz | unpossible |
19:14.29 | Fisker- | now nerf mana burn |
19:14.31 | Fisker- | NERF MANA BURN |
19:14.41 | erzy | YES PLEASE |
19:14.48 | Industrial | Dashkal: My point is (although I see that it will enver have the desired effect) and I am about the only person that can't accept that wowace used to be a _developer_ community and that is has gone from that to a userbase of "duh if i press the button nothing comes out". |
19:14.49 | Gnarfoz | anyone doing music production in here? this is so awesome: http://www.celemony.com/dna_standalone/ |
19:15.04 | Industrial | wow weird sentences ft |
19:15.05 | Industrial | w |
19:15.11 | Industrial | Ellipsis: your queue |
19:15.31 | Ellipsis | lolwut? |
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19:16.10 | Dashkal | Industrial: I understand where you're coming from, but you're right in that it cannot go back there. The "wowace" brand became popular and so people started using it directly. Now we have masses of people using the most convinent method possible to keep up to date. That means WAU. |
19:16.13 | Industrial | you are the grammar queen :p |
19:16.24 | [Ammo] | haha |
19:16.33 | [Ammo] | I am happy with my new witchhunt 2.4 configs :) |
19:16.41 | Ellipsis | Industrial: I know better than to try to fix your grammar |
19:16.42 | [Ammo] | http://connected.dnd.utwente.nl/~wouter/config/ |
19:16.54 | Dashkal | And yes, that includes me. One key up to date is win. |
19:16.59 | Industrial | Ellipsis: scared it will infect:p? |
19:17.15 | [Ammo] | urgh |
19:17.17 | Ellipsis | no, mostly just scared of you being on whatever you must be smoking to talk like that :P |
19:17.17 | [Ammo] | badass typo |
19:17.18 | CIA-9 | 03Firik * r64384 10BunchOfBars/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
19:17.18 | CIA-9 | BunchOfBars: |
19:17.18 | CIA-9 | - VisualHeal module contained some bugs |
19:17.19 | CIA-9 | - other minor fixes |
19:17.34 | Industrial | beer :S |
19:17.45 | Industrial | ill stfu. |
19:17.51 | NeoTron | Industrial: wowace is still a developer community but it's become a lot more. things change. deal. :) |
19:17.54 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64385 10WitchHunt/locales/enUS.lua: WitchHunt: beings -> begins |
19:18.18 | NeoTron | and even though wowace per se doesn't make stuff better, in reality it _often_ does |
19:18.21 | [Ammo] | it's become a lot more diluted with retards who think they can program but are only good at copy pasting stuff others made and then wonder why it doesn't work for them |
19:18.37 | [Ammo] | hence 80%+ of the addons on wowace suck utter donkey balls |
19:18.48 | NeoTron | because 1) ppl hanging out here learn (I've learned a lot), 2) good framework (be it ace2, rock or ace3) helps |
19:18.53 | [Ammo] | stuff on wowace is in general worse than anything found on wowinterface |
19:19.00 | [Ammo] | due to the sheer amount of moron fanbois |
19:19.06 | Dashkal | just on wowace != win, that's for damn sure. |
19:19.23 | NeoTron | [Ammo]: I don't really agree that most stuff is bad but I do think some sort of quality control might be good |
19:19.27 | *** part/#wowace Gnarfoz (i=smallbra@unaffiliated/gnarfoz) |
19:19.30 | [Ammo] | NeoTron: most stuff is bad |
19:19.31 | *** join/#wowace Gnarfoz (i=smallbra@unaffiliated/gnarfoz) |
19:19.34 | [Ammo] | like REAL bad |
19:19.38 | Gnarfoz | I hate hitting ctrl+w by accident |
19:19.39 | NeoTron | any examples? |
19:19.45 | NeoTron | maybe I'm just not using "most stuff" |
19:19.51 | [Ammo] | PallyPower, immensly popular but utter shite |
19:19.55 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
19:19.56 | [Ammo] | Alar |
19:20.03 | Industrial | lolar |
19:20.05 | Dashkal | The paladins in my guild want to make PP mandatory... |
19:20.07 | [Ammo] | codewise |
19:20.08 | Gnarfoz | pallypower is THE paladin buff addon |
19:20.11 | Fisker- | fuck you [Ammo]! |
19:20.11 | NeoTron | Dashkal: show then zomgbuffs |
19:20.12 | [Ammo] | it's SHITE |
19:20.18 | Fisker- | THEN MAKE A BETTER ONE RAWR |
19:20.21 | Gnarfoz | who the FUCK cares about code wise? :p |
19:20.22 | [Ammo] | did you ever open the code for that one? |
19:20.23 | Dashkal | I intend to after looking at it myself |
19:20.32 | [Ammo] | Gnarfoz: this community used to |
19:20.36 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: developers. I KEEL YOU |
19:20.42 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: silence. :p |
19:20.43 | Dashkal | If it can make me keep the tank's thorns up, I can recommend it. |
19:20.45 | Fisker- | I KEEL YOU |
19:20.54 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: code-wise is what historically made ace better than <random> |
19:20.55 | Gnarfoz | I did, it's beyond my abilities, but I am happy it exists, because it is *useful* |
19:20.59 | NeoTron | well one fot he reasons |
19:21.17 | NeoTron | and the main reason I plan to reimplement forte warlock once magicmarker is more stable |
19:21.21 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: addon idea X + "ace" = addon idea X. it isn't magically better and never was |
19:21.53 | Industrial | forte.. sounds familiar |
19:21.54 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: partially correct, partially invalid |
19:22.09 | Industrial | is that a blouderfist alliance guild? hmm *searches* |
19:22.16 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: as I already stated, if active ace developers hang around here, they (should) learn and improve |
19:22.23 | NeoTron | I know stuff now I had no clue about before |
19:22.31 | NeoTron | helping me make more effective code |
19:22.50 | NeoTron | also the use of a common, and well made, framework will ensure you're not using a crappy core |
19:22.53 | Industrial | http://boulderfist-eu.warcrafter.net/guilds/Forte |
19:22.55 | Industrial | yup |
19:22.56 | NeoTron | I know many addons benefit nothing from being "aced' |
19:23.04 | Dashkal | That's why I hang out in here. There's no way Nexus would work out if not for the examples and knowledge I absorb from this group. |
19:23.06 | Gnarfoz | just because this community has (or had, as you are suggesting) a higher percentage of above-average skilled coders than other places that doesn't, who were even able to create for themselves something as complex as an addon framework... well, it doesn't mean stuff is magically better or shouldn't be created if not by these coders |
19:23.15 | NeoTron | but when you look at the forte code, or DoTimer, or KTM |
19:23.26 | NeoTron | you see how it's very possible to implement the same stuff 10 times better |
19:23.31 | Gnarfoz | then DO it |
19:23.36 | Gnarfoz | and stop the whining |
19:23.36 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: but it being hosted and RELEASED here drags the rest down |
19:23.41 | NeoTron | I am not whining |
19:23.44 | Industrial | I am |
19:23.45 | NeoTron | and I will |
19:23.45 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: it doesn't drag ANYTHING down. |
19:23.48 | NeoTron | I already stated I will |
19:24.06 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: if you don't value what wowace stood for |
19:24.07 | Industrial | I do |
19:24.23 | NeoTron | I am just busy on Magic Marker at the moment |
19:24.24 | Gnarfoz | did you notice the tense of that part of the sentence? |
19:24.31 | Gnarfoz | past tense. what it stood for... |
19:24.37 | [Ammo] | NeoTron: I know for a fact Xus is working on a lot better version of fortewarlock :) |
19:24.40 | [Ammo] | I talked to him some |
19:24.42 | Industrial | yeah, thats the whole problem |
19:24.48 | NeoTron | [Ammo]: maybe then I won't have to |
19:24.49 | [Ammo] | and he comes on this channel every once in a while |
19:24.54 | Gnarfoz | how does PallyPower, if it is as crappy as you say (it's usefulness is > all), impact the quality of, say, Grid? |
19:24.59 | NeoTron | obligatory "is it aced?" ;-) |
19:25.20 | NeoTron | I just get very sad when a bar with 3 icons that shows cooldowns of abiltieis manages to use more cpu than all my other addons |
19:25.33 | Industrial | criest, even |
19:25.33 | NeoTron | when out of combat |
19:25.38 | Dashkal | OMG libc sucks because there are lots of crappy programs that use it! |
19:25.49 | NeoTron | Aced != good but many ppl at wowace = good developers |
19:25.50 | Industrial | its more like |
19:25.51 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: so, either start time-travelling, change something by doing stuff. whining doesn't get you anywhere (even though WoW official forums might suggest otherwise) :( |
19:26.01 | Industrial | OMG addonx sucks cause it uses libc, and libc sucks |
19:26.03 | Dashkal | OMG Bloatware-5.7 must be awesome cause it uses libc and that's been maintained for years! |
19:26.04 | Industrial | ;P |
19:26.05 | CIA-9 | 03Octane666 * r64386 10WhoLib/WhoLib-1.0/WhoLib-1.0.lua: |
19:26.05 | CIA-9 | WhoLib: |
19:26.05 | CIA-9 | - Corrected bug in UserInfo() where it was incorrectly determining the type of args.callback. This meant that the callback wasn't being called for cached entries even if WHOLIB_FLAG_ALLWAYS_CALLBACK was set. |
19:26.06 | CIA-9 | 03pachelbel * r64387 10MoBuffs/ (17 files in 3 dirs): |
19:26.09 | CIA-9 | MoBuffs: |
19:26.11 | CIA-9 | - converted to use LibBabble-Spell-3.0 as part of localization |
19:26.13 | CIA-9 | - ignore zone checks when in arena or BG |
19:26.19 | *** mode/#wowace [+v KarlThePagan] by ChanServ |
19:26.20 | Dashkal | either or whatever = tf? |
19:26.31 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: you should read parts of my wowace posting history - youll see that i have been trying. |
19:26.41 | Gnarfoz | yeah, posts are not actions |
19:26.42 | Gnarfoz | :p |
19:26.50 | Industrial | they are on the internet |
19:26.54 | Industrial | cause I dont run this place |
19:27.01 | Gnarfoz | you could improve the code? |
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19:27.15 | Industrial | .. do you know howmany addons the svn has? |
19:27.18 | NeoTron | Industrial: it seems to me all you do is bitch and insult ;-) |
19:27.20 | Gnarfoz | start somewhere? :p |
19:27.44 | NeoTron | it would be useful to have "download statistics" |
19:27.48 | Gnarfoz | there are |
19:27.52 | NeoTron | really? |
19:27.56 | Industrial | NeoTron: I don't insult people. I hope. |
19:28.08 | NeoTron | it might be useful to look for good addons to "review" |
19:28.10 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I'd settle for bitching :p |
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19:28.32 | NeoTron | if popular addons are badly written, improving them does more for the users than improving a crap addon no one uses |
19:28.33 | Gnarfoz | I can obviously agree that there is bad stuff on the SVN, like Alar's steaming heap of crap, but what can I do about it, if I'm not proficient enough as a programmer? |
19:28.58 | NeoTron | enforce a non-crap clause? :P |
19:29.15 | Gnarfoz | well, that goes back to "I don't run this place" |
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19:29.40 | NeoTron | what a non-programmer can do, in theory, is benchmark an addon |
19:29.42 | Industrial | You have to start with the programmers. It's not nice to go and change their stuff without their knowing. and directly saying someones addons (ill make an exception for alar) are all crap isnt very nice :\ |
19:29.44 | NeoTron | CPU/memory use and stuff |
19:29.55 | NeoTron | Industrial: agreed |
19:29.55 | Gnarfoz | bitching about the fact doesn't help the situation, either, though, because... it's the internet :\ you'll either get counter-bitching (like this ^^) or you'll be ignored |
19:29.57 | Dashkal | "non-crap clause"? oh lord that's drama waiting to happen |
19:30.03 | NeoTron | Dashkal: yep! |
19:30.09 | kenlyric | Rock is crap, delete |
19:30.12 | NeoTron | how about documenting best practices for lua in wow? |
19:30.13 | kenlyric | ace3 is crap, delete |
19:30.14 | Dashkal | exactly |
19:30.28 | kenlyric | NeoTron: you mean like writing a book? |
19:30.28 | [Ammo] | shrug, I'm just stating my opinion |
19:30.36 | Gnarfoz | as are we ;> |
19:30.36 | NeoTron | I bet a lot of the "crap" code is due to not knowing better |
19:30.36 | [Ammo] | anyone is entitled to one :) |
19:30.40 | kenlyric | a book is a good idea! |
19:30.43 | NeoTron | kenlyric: well no, there is a book... ;-) |
19:30.59 | kenlyric | pwned |
19:31.03 | NeoTron | more like a "lua cookbook" |
19:31.09 | Industrial | theres pages of best practises on wowwiki |
19:31.15 | Industrial | and lua-users.org |
19:31.15 | NeoTron | basically don't do THIS but THAT |
19:31.18 | Industrial | and programming in lua |
19:31.24 | Dashkal | oh god I love wowwiki so much for those pages... |
19:31.31 | NeoTron | there are? |
19:31.33 | NeoTron | where? |
19:31.37 | Industrial | and soon (?) a book by cladhaire and cogwheel and I forgot the rest |
19:31.43 | NeoTron | I know about the book yes |
19:31.48 | Dashkal | mmm, I should preorder that thing... |
19:31.52 | NeoTron | but make it a requirement to read, and understand that shit :P |
19:31.57 | Dashkal | nah, I'll wait for someone else to review first :p |
19:32.01 | Industrial | clad|office: how ABOUT that book? *poke* |
19:32.41 | Dashkal | Hmm, AutoBarConfig not updated in over 90 days. Is that cause it doesn't need it or is it obsolete? |
19:33.13 | Industrial | The best way to keep quality is to stay small. When you are a small group you can agree on things. When it gets big its mostly "you suck" "no u". |
19:33.20 | kenlyric | it can be either or both |
19:33.22 | Industrial | so thats why I moved all my code |
19:33.30 | Industrial | (years ago, now) |
19:33.35 | pastamancer | no u |
19:33.37 | kenlyric | also, I heard you sucked |
19:33.44 | NeoTron | Industrial: or have a leadership that tells ppl they suck? :) |
19:33.59 | Industrial | NeoTron: yeah I pushed for that but wont happen :p |
19:34.11 | Industrial | kenlyric: dont make me open a can of yourmom jokes |
19:34.21 | Industrial | (actually, ill google) |
19:34.29 | EvilJohn | "Boingo boingo whoopsy knickers." |
19:35.22 | Gnarfoz | <Dashkal> Hmm, AutoBarConfig not updated in over 90 days. Is that cause it doesn't need it or is it obsolete? <-- integrated into AutoBar by now, it's obsolete |
19:35.41 | Industrial | delete it from the svn right now |
19:35.45 | Industrial | profit! |
19:35.49 | NeoTron | I found a fun "feature" in MagicMarker btw - when I run arenas it will learn enemy pets as mobs |
19:35.52 | NeoTron | oops |
19:36.24 | Industrial | heh guess playername+petname is q unique key :p |
19:36.31 | Industrial | s/q /a / |
19:36.43 | Dashkal | oops |
19:36.56 | NeoTron | it failed my exclusion test because I hadn't considered the possibility |
19:37.01 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: why destroy stuff? it could simply be moved to another location, like WAU e.g. already does by displaying all out-of-date addons separately |
19:37.21 | kergoth | you arent destroying it |
19:37.23 | NeoTron | Gnarfoz: if it's absolutely redundant / out of date why keep it? |
19:37.25 | kergoth | svn has history, thats why it exists |
19:37.28 | NeoTron | it's still there in the repository |
19:37.32 | kergoth | remove it, if someone wants it, they can resurrect it |
19:37.34 | Gnarfoz | hm |
19:37.39 | Gnarfoz | right |
19:37.40 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
19:38.06 | kenlyric | oh god, I need someone on EU servers to destroy this guy. |
19:38.10 | NeoTron | just like ppl replacing a line with another line in a piece of code, but keeping the old line commented out |
19:38.24 | Gnarfoz | kenlyric: whom? ^^ |
19:38.32 | kenlyric | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3190829630&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
19:39.00 | sb | why? |
19:39.16 | kenlyric | he ripped that site off of armorylite.com |
19:39.23 | sb | oh |
19:39.28 | kenlyric | including the greasemonkey script :) |
19:39.40 | NeoTron | he stole the code from it? |
19:39.47 | NeoTron | sure looks different |
19:39.58 | NeoTron | in fact it looks horrible |
19:40.08 | NeoTron | black text on a dark background is usuall ynot a good idea |
19:40.18 | kebinusan | ripped off the site but couldnt be bothered to copy the CSS? |
19:40.27 | Gnarfoz | haha I could even flame him ingame, that's my old realm from pre-BC times ^^ |
19:40.59 | NeoTron | kebinusan: a lot of ppl seem to like dark text on dark background |
19:41.11 | kebinusan | cant stand it, not enough contrast |
19:41.12 | NeoTron | back in the good old days, people always used red on black for some godforsaken reason |
19:41.20 | kebinusan | yellow on black imo |
19:41.25 | kebinusan | or a nice light blue |
19:41.36 | NeoTron | I'm color blind and I have a sigh deficit so yeah I can't see shit |
19:42.44 | dodga | hmpf, Grid shows everyone OOR :o |
19:43.10 | Gnarfoz | check which range it checks :) |
19:43.11 | [Ammo] | then set up a proper spell for the range detection in it? |
19:43.59 | pastamancer | double-check your status settings, the default alpha values aren't as transparent as before |
19:44.11 | genetik | kenlyric: someone from here run armorylite.com or something? |
19:44.12 | pastamancer | and see what other statuses you have on the alpha indicator |
19:44.26 | kenlyric | genetik: my old guild leader |
19:44.33 | genetik | cool |
19:44.35 | pastamancer | the range check statuses default to relatively low priorities, so they're likely to be overwritten by dead |
19:45.20 | kenlyric | does anyone know if there is a way to show current rage/mana/energy and health in the grid frame? As an actual number? |
19:45.37 | Industrial | kenlyric: I like warcrafter.net better |
19:45.47 | Industrial | (then that site you linked) |
19:45.47 | pastamancer | you'd have to create a status module that provides that data as text |
19:46.09 | Industrial | eg http://boulderfist-eu.warcrafter.net/Oathbreaker |
19:46.25 | pastamancer | dodga: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2525.msg189125#msg189125 |
19:47.49 | kenlyric | hmmm... I might have to do that... it shouldn't be too hard to rip off the health deficit code, right? |
19:48.01 | pastamancer | super easy |
19:48.35 | kenlyric | only thing keeping me from using it as my primary unit frame is not knowing exactly how much rage/energy and health I have. |
19:48.39 | kenlyric | mana's less critical |
19:48.52 | pastamancer | status modules in general are really easy to write |
19:49.08 | pastamancer | I use it with the blizzard unit frames |
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19:50.32 | FtH|Daemona | hmmm this is impressive... i thought RoS with high latency was hard... until i got ghosted at teron and had no pet bar till the constructs were in the zerg ... wtf |
19:52.40 | kenlyric | man, I just spent an hour trying to figure out why grid side indicators weren't showing up as icons. there are apparently two side indicator mods, one with icons and one without. |
19:52.46 | nevcairiel | lol FtH|Daemona |
19:52.57 | FtH|Daemona | not lol :( |
19:53.09 | pastamancer | what do you need so many inidcators for? |
19:53.11 | FtH|Daemona | we usually just walk over teron ... having to do a 3rd pull now |
19:53.34 | kebinusan | FtH|Daemona: yeah I hate that, lag and other crap |
19:53.54 | kebinusan | we had a paladin get constructs in the raid because he got the debuff while he had divine shield up |
19:54.02 | kenlyric | pastamancer: I typically track buffs with those |
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19:54.25 | dodga | pastamancer: did that, did not help |
19:54.26 | kenlyric | I just colored them to match the icons, so, same result. |
19:54.34 | pastamancer | kenlyric: ah, grid was never really intended to track buffs |
19:54.50 | kenlyric | grid was probably never really intended to do a lot of things :) |
19:55.04 | NeoTron | FtH|Daemona: reminds me of the day I discovered that Bartender 3 added the feature replacing the main toolbar with the possess bar |
19:55.22 | NeoTron | by teh time I realized wtf was going on and which keys to press the constructs were pretty much in the raid |
19:55.22 | nevcairiel | NeoTron: it still gave you the petbar =P |
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19:55.37 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: I don't use a petbar, I used macros on my main toolbar |
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19:55.48 | dodga | also disabling all range statuses does not make the opactiy change to 100%... |
19:56.10 | NeoTron | so it was on the same toolbar but in the wrong place |
19:56.23 | pastamancer | dodga: what class is your character? |
19:56.25 | NeoTron | I don't get why blizzard put the abilities at such an odd location |
19:56.29 | NeoTron | what's wrong with 1-4? :P |
19:56.47 | nevcairiel | maybe the mob has some macros there that you dont see? :D |
19:57.29 | NeoTron | perhaps |
19:57.31 | NeoTron | but still :P |
19:57.39 | dodga | pastamancer: Priest |
19:57.42 | NeoTron | it's annoying. anyhow once I know abotu it it' fine |
19:57.51 | NeoTron | just don't have a lot of time figuring out the key to press |
19:58.10 | pastamancer | dodga: and everything is showing as OOR including yourself? |
19:58.13 | NeoTron | a fun thing last night - I was busy pre-archimonde and forgot to put the tears on my toolbar |
19:58.30 | kenlyric | i like how the emergency button on shartuul is 7 |
19:58.34 | dodga | pastamancer: Yes, except a Pally that was in range when I joined the raid |
19:58.43 | dodga | but I disabled and then enabled the 40 yard check |
19:58.56 | dodga | changed the opactiy to 100% and now everything is in range, even though they are not :D |
19:59.10 | pastamancer | dodga: what does this tell you: /print GridRange:GetUnitRange("player") |
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19:59.32 | dodga | pastamancer: 10 |
19:59.37 | kebinusan | NeoTron: make everyone jump off the cliff before we head down to archimonde |
19:59.46 | kebinusan | partially for that reason |
20:00.30 | pastamancer | dodga: try this: /run GridStatusRange:EnableRange(40) |
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20:02.37 | NeoTron | kebinusan: I wouldn't expect me to forget |
20:02.47 | NeoTron | kebinusan: i.e I typically dont and I'm the raid leader |
20:02.54 | NeoTron | yet I did forget for the first time |
20:03.14 | NeoTron | one previous time I had it on the toolbar but was distracted muckign with the groups for heroism and was a second late |
20:03.18 | kebinusan | hehe karma is a bitch I raid lead too nothing more humbling than dying after yelling at people for dying the same way |
20:04.08 | dodga | pastamancer: Hm did not help. I have Death warning (prio 50), Offline warning (prio 60) and >40 yards (prio 32) on frame alpha if that helps |
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20:04.50 | pastamancer | dodga: how about /run GridStatusRange:UpdateFrequency() |
20:05.19 | NeoTron | kebinusan: of course I've only ever died twice on archimonde in who knows how many tries |
20:05.26 | NeoTron | well died when it was my fault |
20:06.37 | pastamancer | dodga: if that doesn't work, I'll need you to /print GridStatus:GetCachedStatus("player", "alert_range_40") |
20:06.54 | pastamancer | assuming that you are still showing as out of range to yourself |
20:07.23 | dodga | pastamancer: Currently everybody is in range and walking OOR doesn't change the opacity |
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20:08.22 | pastamancer | oh, everyone is in-range |
20:08.39 | pastamancer | ? |
20:08.55 | pastamancer | I thought everyone was showing as OOR? |
20:10.29 | kenlyric | hmmm... it just looks like unitHealth should show my unit health |
20:11.59 | dodga | pastamancer: After disable, change opacity, enable everybody is nonstop in range |
20:12.15 | dodga | that getcachedstatus returned nil |
20:12.29 | dodga | oh |
20:12.36 | dodga | no they are correctly oor |
20:12.45 | dodga | i think that enablerange(40) did the trick |
20:12.58 | kenlyric | Grid->Status->Health->Unit health |
20:13.04 | kenlyric | wouldn't you think that displays unit health? |
20:13.07 | pastamancer | yeah, I noticed that sometimes the range status module doesn't initialize the range list |
20:13.29 | CIA-9 | 03ulic * r64388 10LittleWigs/MagistersTerrace/Kael'thasSunstrider.lua: LittleWigs: MT\Kael - Added Flame Strike |
20:13.29 | pastamancer | kenlyric: it does, that's what gets used by the healthbar |
20:14.07 | pastamancer | I still haven't been able to reliably reproduce the problem with the range status though |
20:14.37 | dodga | pastamancer: I also respecced when I was in the range from shadow to heal if that helps |
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20:16.39 | kenlyric | pastamancer: so it's there... shouldn't I be able to pu it in a text frame too? |
20:17.10 | pastamancer | kenlyric: yeah, it should be providing text in addition to a range value |
20:17.54 | pastamancer | oh wait... it's not |
20:18.10 | pastamancer | only the deficit provides text |
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20:18.34 | erzy | Mym grid doesn't show range any more, any tips? |
20:18.37 | kenlyric | settings.icon |
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20:19.03 | pastamancer | erzya: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2525.msg189125#msg189125 |
20:19.58 | pastamancer | kenlyric: yup, every status *can* provide an icon, it just doesn't make sense for some of them |
20:20.08 | playfulkitten | anyone know what happened to the changelog in fisheye? |
20:20.16 | Zhinjio | ok, so I'm considering switching to a windows irc client. any thoughts? |
20:20.20 | kenlyric | yeah, that was a mistake :) |
20:20.27 | Zhinjio | I've been using my linux machine's shell up to now. |
20:20.32 | NeoTron | so is the 5-man kael'thas anything like the 25-man? |
20:20.40 | Zhinjio | and thats been working fine, but I'm missing a few things I get in more advanced clients |
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20:20.59 | erzy | pastamancer: thanks |
20:21.01 | kenlyric | ah |
20:21.10 | kenlyric | that's the "nil" it sends, isn't it |
20:22.22 | pastamancer | yeah |
20:22.24 | kenlyric | so you could change nil to cur and it would do what I want :) |
20:22.32 | pastamancer | tostring(cur) |
20:22.43 | Zhinjio | I wonder how pidgin's irc looks. |
20:22.46 | erzy | pastamancer: Only works for 100 yds |
20:23.07 | pastamancer | erzy: what class, and what ranges are available in your menu? |
20:23.14 | erzy | paladin |
20:23.24 | erzy | 10-30-40-100 |
20:23.42 | pastamancer | change the color of the 40yd range to make it more transparent, alpha is the slider on the right in the color picker |
20:24.36 | NeoTron | so anyone find it ironic that the BT warlock trinket is only useful (well _potentially_ but not really) for affliction warlocks? |
20:24.50 | NeoTron | while in reality there are pretty much no affliction warlocks raidin BT.. |
20:25.05 | Diao | ashtongue one? |
20:25.30 | dre^ | roughly as ironic as the shaman trinket providing a 10% chance of mana regen when casting lesser healing wave |
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20:25.56 | Diao | or the warrior one which is just flat out terrible |
20:26.00 | dre^ | (hint: LHW's coefficient is dunky) |
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20:26.14 | genetik | yeah, the warrior one is a joke |
20:26.52 | Diao | we're getting payback for having the best trinket pre-bc with LGG :( |
20:27.06 | EvilJohn | heh |
20:27.08 | kebinusan | neotron its not really useful for affliction locks either because of the duration of the buff |
20:27.14 | dre^ | kind of a bummer. one would hope they could do something cool for the people how make it to the 'end game' or whatever. |
20:27.14 | dre^ | s/how/who/ |
20:27.14 | genetik | heh.. i still use styleens |
20:27.17 | dre^ | I suppose the trash rings are good! |
20:27.24 | kebinusan | pretty much all the bt trinkets are ass |
20:27.40 | Kemayo | Zhinjio: What do you miss? |
20:28.32 | erzy | pastamancer: White and alpha set to 0% doesn't work |
20:29.12 | pastamancer | erzy: the status is enabled and is assigned to the frame alpha indicator? |
20:30.07 | erzy | think I got something now |
20:30.37 | Zhinjio | Kemayo: um. I like seeing who is present in a separate window where I can select someone and see their idle info, that way I can filter out all the -!- messages completely. um... better color/nick/friends handling. |
20:31.07 | Zhinjio | I don't know. I guess I'm not a purist when it comes to using shell type access. I like some of the ... amenities that a windowed environment affords. |
20:32.12 | Zhinjio | back shortly. trying out pidgin. |
20:32.25 | Dashkal | lemme know if it stopped trying to control how you IM |
20:32.32 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo * r64389 10LibQuixote-2.0/: LibQuixote-2.0: Copy to trunk. API probably won't *actually* be final for a few days yet, but it's out of major flux. |
20:33.00 | Dashkal | I stopped using pidgin when the developers clearly stated that the program should direct the user instead of vice versia. |
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20:33.19 | pastamancer | erzy: what did you do that fixed it? |
20:33.21 | kenlyric | ow my head |
20:33.29 | erzy | 2 sec archi |
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20:35.12 | Zhinjio | Alrighty then. |
20:35.24 | Zhinjio | hrmph. Need to do some serious color editing. |
20:35.29 | kenlyric | manabar seems to return the right information but then only use it in its bar. |
20:35.29 | Kemayo | Zhinjio: Console-wise, it's possible to warp irssi into havign a userlist. Or weechat has one automatically. |
20:35.46 | Zhinjio | yeah, I was using irssi |
20:35.49 | Zhinjio | which I do like. |
20:36.24 | erzy | nope doesn't work pastamancer |
20:36.42 | erzy | the 20 yard one works though |
20:37.00 | Kemayo | I tend to feel that even if irssi is lacking in an area, it's at least theoretically possible that I could go learn enough perl to write a plugin that would fix it. (Generally I don't, though.) |
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20:37.18 | erzy | and 100 aswell |
20:37.24 | Kemayo | Well, I did it once. But it was a pain. |
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20:37.32 | Zhinjio | agreed. its more a matter of what I want to spend my time on. |
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20:38.31 | jag111 | Anyone here using the latest TinyTip not able to change the scale? |
20:38.42 | NeoTron | omg. a MS warrior in almost full T6 gear doing 569 DPS on kaz'rogal |
20:39.42 | Gnarfoz | well... yeah, not much to say besides WTF is he doing? :p |
20:40.17 | chiper | neo: you sure that's not 1569? |
20:40.22 | NeoTron | yes |
20:40.28 | chiper | that sounds really low |
20:40.34 | pastamancer | erzy: hmm, I wonder what spell it's trying to use for the 40yd check... it works fine on my paladin |
20:40.50 | NeoTron | it's pathetically low |
20:41.00 | NeoTron | I don't think he had WF which is pretty OP for 2h but still |
20:41.26 | NeoTron | http://wowwebstats.com/4pzr1ycg6wcka?a=23&s=4537-4752 |
20:42.19 | NeoTron | I don't know much about warriors at all |
20:42.25 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo * r64390 10StatBlock_Quests/ (. StatBlock_Quests.toc addon.lua loc/ loc/enUS.lua): StatBlock_Quests: Hell, why not? |
20:43.08 | NeoTron | I wonder if he was using his tank gear or something |
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20:43.36 | Zhinjio | hrmph. Pidgin is still a bit early in the development, interface customization wise. |
20:43.48 | NeoTron | waht is Pidgin? |
20:43.51 | genetik | gaim |
20:43.57 | Zhinjio | open source IM client |
20:44.06 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo * r64391 10/trunk/ (StatBlock_Quests/ StatBlocks_Quests/): StatBlocks_Quests: Because it should have been "StatBlocks", that's why not. |
20:44.07 | Zhinjio | gaim makes me crankyu |
20:44.18 | NeoTron | ah that one |
20:44.28 | NeoTron | I was thinking wow addon concex |
20:44.33 | NeoTron | s/concex/context/ |
20:44.44 | chiper | I'll use gaim only under force |
20:46.03 | NeoTron | I use centericq, patched not to crash |
20:46.14 | NeoTron | it sucks in many ways but it "works" sufficiently in screen |
20:46.15 | chiper | people still use icq? |
20:46.31 | Gelo | IQ is outdated |
20:46.34 | Gelo | *ICQ |
20:47.01 | Gelo | IRC is much better ;) |
20:47.11 | Gelo | never gets old |
20:47.31 | NeoTron | chiper: spammers use it a lot |
20:47.41 | NeoTron | but centericq is actually a multi-format client |
20:47.51 | NeoTron | even has irc |
20:48.45 | erzy | pastamancer: worked when i reloaded UI |
20:48.55 | erzy | thanks for the help |
20:49.03 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo * r64392 10StatBlocks_Quests/ (. StatBlock_Quests.toc StatBlocks_Quests.toc): StatBlocks_Quests: Externals, and in toc. |
20:49.49 | Dashkal | hmm, playing with ZOMGBuffs... ZOMGSelfBuffs doesn't appear to function |
20:50.05 | Kemayo | I actually sort of like finch -- the curses version of pidgin. |
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20:50.54 | Zhinjio | Hrmph. |
20:51.07 | Zhinjio | pidgin is not playing nice. |
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20:51.52 | Kemayo | NeoTron: Have you tried CenterIM? |
20:52.01 | Zhinjio | test. |
20:52.05 | NeoTron | Kemayo: nope |
20:52.34 | CIA-9 | 03pastamancer * r64393 10Grid/GridStatusRange.lua: Grid: Hopefully fix intermittent problem with ranges to check not being initialized. |
20:52.45 | kenlyric | Zhinjio: pidgin IRC is craptastic |
20:52.48 | pastamancer | ^^ test please! |
20:53.01 | pastamancer | erzy, dodga |
20:53.04 | Kemayo | NeoTron: It claims to be an updated fork or CenterICQ, so I was curious. |
20:53.05 | Zhinjio | I"m finding that right now. |
20:53.08 | Zhinjio | *sigh* |
20:53.27 | Zhinjio | hmm, I did use a window irssi awhile back. I wonder what that looks like these days |
20:53.49 | kenlyric | i just use chatzilla |
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20:54.05 | NeoTron | Kemayo: nice didn't know |
20:54.10 | NeoTron | I'm installing it now |
20:55.36 | Dashkal | Sweet, I likes it |
20:56.49 | dodga | pastamancer: uhm, will try asap :o |
20:57.10 | pastamancer | dodga: maybe after your raid is over :p |
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20:58.05 | Zhinjio | heh |
20:58.11 | Zhinjio | winirssi just runs in a putty window. |
20:58.20 | Zhinjio | I might as well still be using my shell account. |
20:58.20 | Zhinjio | heh |
20:58.39 | pastamancer | I'd go crazy without irssi+screen |
20:59.03 | Zhinjio | yeah, screen is pretty much essential. |
20:59.36 | Fisker- | ARSOUHAFSccÆSKAF |
20:59.54 | Zhinjio | well, looks like I'll just tune my settings in my shell account to look nicer. |
20:59.57 | Zhinjio | meh |
21:00.10 | Dashkal | The only thing I think I might be missing is the ability to only thorns tanks easily |
21:00.33 | cncfanatics | whats a decent castbar addon ? |
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21:00.57 | kenlyric | what's a good name for showing mana? GridStatusManaText? |
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21:01.04 | kenlyric | cncfanatics: quartz? |
21:01.07 | genetik | cncfanatics: i like quartz |
21:01.12 | cncfanatics | ty kenlyric, I forgot the name :p |
21:01.19 | kergoth | screen isnt really a necessity for irc if you use an irc proxy.. and that way your client is local, so theres no latency when typing, only after sending it |
21:01.27 | kenlyric | now, tell me which spell to use when I'm not mining or herbalism :) |
21:01.37 | pastamancer | kenlyric: what's the generic term blizzard uses for all three energy types? |
21:01.43 | dodga | pastamancer: good idea :> |
21:01.47 | cncfanatics | kenlyric: any spell that has no cooldown and can't be locked down by counterspell |
21:01.53 | cncfanatics | pastamancer: power |
21:02.24 | pastamancer | kenlyric: GridStatusPower? |
21:02.31 | kenlyric | very good idea |
21:02.55 | kenlyric | and then I can just rip off half the ManaBar code |
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21:02.58 | pastamancer | and make sure that you're sending the value as a text and a range |
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21:03.46 | cncfanatics | any casting bar that actualy shows autoshot & stuff ? |
21:04.02 | genetik | quartz |
21:04.04 | kenlyric | quartz |
21:04.19 | cncfanatics | autoshot cast time |
21:04.21 | cncfanatics | not cooldown time :( |
21:04.39 | kenlyric | there's an autoshot mod |
21:04.47 | kenlyric | it's under hunter mods... might show that |
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21:07.24 | m4rku5 | hey guys, anyone working on reading wdb/dbc files or know of any tool other then that dbc2csv thing ? ;P |
21:08.08 | pastamancer | the wdb format is pretty simple |
21:08.23 | m4rku5 | problem is finding out what all those fields mean |
21:08.29 | pastamancer | that's the catch |
21:08.39 | m4rku5 | and the info google came out with is kinda - old n buggy ;P |
21:11.17 | NeoTron | Fisker-: irssi, centerim (seems to work), emacs in screen => win |
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21:13.00 | Zhinjio | can irssi make a split window to the right? |
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21:13.37 | MentalPower | m4rku5: have you tried the two WoW reverse-engineer sites? |
21:14.02 | m4rku5 | MentalPower, ive been reading the sourcepeek wiki |
21:14.14 | MentalPower | http://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/DBC |
21:14.18 | MentalPower | thats the other one |
21:14.23 | Zhinjio | alright, time to go. peace, y'all. |
21:16.06 | MentalPower | m4rku5: http://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Programs_DBC |
21:16.22 | NeoTron | Zhinjio: it can do it horizontally. not sure about side by side |
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21:17.45 | m4rku5 | MentalPower, ok the tool i made half a year ago is still better then those |
21:17.50 | m4rku5 | it has some kind of auto detection for strings already ;P |
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21:18.17 | m4rku5 | but thats still far from what i need (ie auto replacing those $d in the strings) |
21:18.44 | MentalPower | err... which DBC are you messing with? |
21:18.53 | m4rku5 | Spell.dbc |
21:19.10 | m4rku5 | i want to build up open souce tools so one can create his own itemdb |
21:19.13 | m4rku5 | that is my goal |
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21:19.55 | m4rku5 | ive ported my old dbc code from c++ to java and im working on the string detection (for the analyze mode) |
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21:21.53 | [sw]Dodge | hi all ^.^ |
21:21.57 | [sw]Dodge | Antiarc: ping |
21:23.02 | [sw]Dodge | no one alive? :O |
21:23.29 | Dashkal | Sorry, the lock never gave me that SS |
21:23.40 | [sw]Dodge | hehe |
21:23.49 | Funkeh` | Kemayo, #6 string expected got no value to setformatted text |
21:24.53 | Kemayo | Funkeh`: I should probably have mentioned the whole "utterly drycoded" thing in the commit message. >_> |
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21:26.00 | [sw]Dodge | well pm'd antiarc the report, i hope i'll get my linux box back in the next days to stay here again :) |
21:26.06 | [sw]Dodge | cya all :( |
21:28.03 | NeoTron | oh wtf man. the healing cloak of illidan is the 2nd best warlock cloak (pre 2.4 at least) |
21:28.08 | NeoTron | and best cloak if you don't need the spell hit |
21:28.35 | Funkeh` | Kemayo, heh, does it every time something with a quest changes, bgain/lost etc |
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21:29.52 | jag111 | Anyone here using the latest TinyTip not able to change the scale? |
21:30.13 | NeoTron | no know better cloak in sunwell so far |
21:30.15 | NeoTron | gesh |
21:30.26 | NeoTron | guess I should have gotten it for 2 DKP at some point :P |
21:31.06 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo * r64394 10StatBlocks_Quests/addon.lua: StatBlocks_Quests: Oh, right, the fifth formattext value. |
21:31.09 | Kemayo | Funkeh`: Odds are good that will fix it. |
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21:35.28 | Antiarc | http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/03/12/WomanInBathroom_A0615.html |
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21:36.39 | NeoTron | Antiarc: that is bizarre |
21:37.35 | Dashkal | six billion people... Can't I'm surprised... |
21:38.13 | NeoTron | ["It really doesn't surprise me," Ellis said of the bathroom incident. ] |
21:38.37 | NeoTron | I'm sorry but no matter how many billion people, I'd be surprised that someone had grown stuck to their bathroom |
21:39.16 | Grum | NeoTron: you are afflicition? Oo |
21:39.27 | NeoTron | not so much |
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21:39.53 | NeoTron | and with not so much I mean I have no points in affliction :P |
21:39.55 | NeoTron | why? |
21:40.05 | CIA-9 | 03zeksie * r64395 10ZOMGBuffs/ZOMGBuffs.lua: ZOMGBuffs: Fixed reagents nil error when at vendor |
21:40.45 | Grum | hmmm |
21:40.51 | Grum | is it best because of the haste? |
21:40.55 | NeoTron | yah |
21:41.04 | NeoTron | people tend to undervalue haste |
21:41.18 | Grum | well .. Cloak of the Illidari Council is quite good as well |
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21:41.25 | NeoTron | partially because of increased mana cost but a shadow priest helps alleviate that a lot and in 2.4 you get the GCD boost too |
21:41.29 | NeoTron | i's very close |
21:41.45 | Grum | 32haste+25dmg vs 25crit and 42dmg |
21:41.54 | Grum | hahaha |
21:41.58 | NeoTron | illidari council I list as 61.65, haste as 64.18 |
21:42.14 | Grum | shadowpriests with locks? kek! |
21:42.19 | NeoTron | of course |
21:42.23 | Grum | never :P |
21:42.27 | NeoTron | the DPS class that needs SP's the most |
21:42.34 | Grum | mmm why? |
21:42.39 | Grum | dont say because of manaregen :) |
21:42.40 | NeoTron | we can't DPS for a minute without having to stop dpsing |
21:42.51 | NeoTron | obviously that is the reason |
21:43.00 | NeoTron | are you under the opinion that life tap is "free mana"? |
21:43.13 | Grum | its mana for dps |
21:43.21 | NeoTron | yes |
21:43.40 | NeoTron | we can go forever but not life tapping is a significant boost to DPS |
21:43.40 | nevcairiel | but wastes dps too |
21:43.41 | Grum | but atm locks are highest dps casterwise even without shadowpriests |
21:44.10 | kebinusan | As an alchemist Im kinda liking the new sorcerers stone in 2.4 |
21:44.10 | NeoTron | shadow priest + lock ~= T6 set bonus |
21:44.20 | kebinusan | 40% more mana from pots and 60some static damage |
21:44.20 | NeoTron | 5-6% more DPS from a shadow priest |
21:44.51 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: how so exactly? |
21:44.53 | Grum | i am just curious, how much dps do you gain if you have a shadowpriest? |
21:45.04 | NeoTron | I just said - about 5-6% |
21:45.18 | Grum | ooh misread that |
21:45.26 | Grum | but 5-6% is not so massive |
21:45.32 | Grum | compared with mages which can go oom |
21:45.39 | NeoTron | except mages in reality do not go OOM |
21:45.49 | Grum | mm |
21:45.49 | NeoTron | as mages actually are able to regen mana |
21:45.52 | CIA-9 | 03antiarc 07Threat-2.0 * r64396 10Threat-2.0/ThreatClassModuleCore.lua: Threat-2.0: Fix for the pet bug. |
21:46.05 | chiper | I go oom all the time, whatchu talking about? |
21:46.10 | NeoTron | but it's a moot point. our mages typically have a SP too |
21:46.20 | Grum | then the healers |
21:46.23 | NeoTron | chiper: what gear/raid level? |
21:46.27 | Grum | now i agree *that* might change in 2.4 |
21:46.35 | sacarasc | chiper: what about your mana gems? your potions? your evocations? |
21:46.36 | NeoTron | they get a SP on illidari council |
21:46.39 | Grum | i'll have ~400mp5 fully buffed while casting O.o |
21:46.48 | kebinusan | healers really wont need a SP in 2.4 |
21:46.54 | NeoTron | typically our healers do not need, nor get, a SP |
21:47.11 | Grum | kebinusan: a shadowpriest is ~200-250mp5? |
21:47.25 | NeoTron | in a recent winterchill kill I used 1 life tap, 2 mana pots |
21:47.33 | chiper | neo: ZA level, mostely. no upgrades for me outside of 25mans |
21:47.45 | Grum | NeoTron: what dps? |
21:47.47 | NeoTron | compared to 10 life tap from a fellow lock |
21:47.50 | Grum | 2100-2300? |
21:47.51 | chiper | I have about 14000 mana |
21:47.54 | NeoTron | pretty crap, 1950 or so |
21:47.58 | NeoTron | I don't have 4xt6 |
21:48.02 | NeoTron | the top lock did about 2330 DPS |
21:48.14 | NeoTron | but he has 4xt6 and also used CoD instead of CoS etc |
21:48.15 | cncfanatics | wtf ? |
21:48.20 | chiper | sacarasc: it's usually when all those are on cooldown |
21:48.21 | cncfanatics | how does a tank even beat that threat ? |
21:48.27 | Grum | haha |
21:48.31 | Grum | good tanking :) |
21:48.33 | NeoTron | we use a druid tank |
21:48.34 | Grum | and well timed shatters |
21:48.36 | kebinusan | soulshatter early and often |
21:48.51 | cncfanatics | a tank can't do 2000 TPS |
21:48.53 | Grum | best to shatter at the last possible moment tbh |
21:48.54 | NeoTron | kebinusan: more like soul shatter as late as you possibly can |
21:48.58 | Grum | its not 2000 tps |
21:49.02 | Antiarc | Tanks can do 2000 TPS |
21:49.08 | Antiarc | They just can't do it for very long :V |
21:49.15 | cncfanatics | Antiarc: in unlimited rage / mana situations, yea |
21:49.19 | NeoTron | "only" 1600 tps but it also includes soul shatter |
21:49.23 | cncfanatics | but seriously, when does that happen ? |
21:49.23 | NeoTron | which IS a 50% reduction |
21:49.24 | kebinusan | well, if its a long fight you can get two in if you time it right |
21:49.26 | Grum | the later you SS the more you loose |
21:49.45 | Grum | yeah but Rage is a ~3min fight |
21:49.56 | NeoTron | kebinusan: yeah but most fights aren't long |
21:50.04 | Grum | lets see |
21:50.11 | cncfanatics | rage winterchill ? |
21:50.17 | NeoTron | http://wowwebstats.com/jfv5akfdszsx1?s=1802-1995 |
21:50.22 | Arrowmaster | our MT can top 2000 TPS sustained depending on who he puts in his group |
21:50.39 | Grum | archi is ~10m, illidan is ~13, council is 14-15 |
21:50.51 | Grum | BB is 5-7 orso? |
21:51.05 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: I still want to see WWS for him |
21:51.15 | Arrowmaster | i cant find that gorefiend fight |
21:51.21 | NeoTron | so sustained DPS the top lock only did 2018 (dmg/fight duration) |
21:51.26 | Arrowmaster | we had some stupid wipes that night and i dont know which one was it |
21:51.37 | NivFreak | Arrowmaster: I've heard you asser that 3 times now, but I've never seen another tank do it |
21:51.40 | NivFreak | not even close |
21:51.46 | cncfanatics | Arrowmaster: unlimited rage + windfury ? |
21:52.06 | Arrowmaster | well gorefiend and he stole the enchance shaman from the rogue group |
21:52.08 | NeoTron | Grum: 13m illidan kill? damn. :P |
21:52.11 | NivFreak | I'd be tempted to pull down EJ's TPS spreadsheet, max it out |
21:52.14 | NeoTron | but illidan has threat wipes all the time |
21:52.14 | NivFreak | and see if it's even 2K |
21:52.18 | Arrowmaster | since one of the pallys was afk and nobody had salv |
21:52.27 | Grum | NeoTron: i think that was the fastest |
21:52.35 | Grum | but normally 14 orso |
21:52.38 | Grum | not all to sure |
21:52.42 | NeoTron | we're definitely not there yet |
21:52.48 | NeoTron | but do council in <10m |
21:52.57 | Grum | we bore council to death |
21:53.00 | NeoTron | we still do no DPs during demon phase at all |
21:53.01 | Grum | take 9 healers |
21:53.08 | NeoTron | council is boring |
21:53.08 | Grum | and just ease em down |
21:53.15 | NeoTron | I mean ppl wipe there because they fall asleep |
21:53.30 | Grum | but that is mostly because we do bb+shahraz+council with 9 healers |
21:53.37 | Grum | and the rest with 7 |
21:53.41 | Grum | or 6 O.o |
21:53.47 | Grum | Naj with 6 is scary |
21:54.07 | cncfanatics | WTB kael & vashj dead |
21:54.08 | NeoTron | I'm just glad we cleared to akaman on night one |
21:54.13 | NeoTron | makes night 2 so much more pleasant |
21:54.13 | cncfanatics | 3/4 TK & 5/6 SSC sucks |
21:54.20 | Grum | NeoTron: from what to where? |
21:54.24 | Grum | cncfanatics: get kael first |
21:54.29 | NeoTron | hyjal clear + 3/9 BT |
21:54.33 | CIA-9 | 03kurax * r64397 10AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP/ (sets.cn.lua sets.tw.lua): |
21:54.33 | CIA-9 | AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP: |
21:54.33 | CIA-9 | - zhCN & zhTW update |
21:54.40 | Grum | yeah we do it the other way around usually |
21:54.41 | NeoTron | we wiped once on archimonde |
21:54.54 | Grum | BT1-5, MH1-X (usually 1-3) |
21:55.00 | NeoTron | raid was 3m45m or so |
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21:55.15 | NeoTron | we do MH first because it's faster to go from MH => BT than the other way |
21:55.18 | NeoTron | teleport and all |
21:55.29 | Grum | and then BT6-9 (and at 9, 1 or 2 healers switch for dps) |
21:55.38 | Grum | then we have a 10m break (and time to get to MH) and clear that |
21:55.51 | Grum | we use the traveltime for breaks |
21:56.13 | Grum | today we did a 1h40m MH clear .. was nice :) |
21:56.19 | Grum | and we went for Maggie! =D |
21:56.20 | Grum | kek |
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21:56.37 | Grum | i remember that one as a 12-13 minute fight :D |
21:56.40 | james\ | is there a channel for grid ? |
21:56.44 | Grum | no |
21:56.53 | james\ | oh |
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21:57.11 | james\ | getting an error in grid |
21:57.29 | Grum | update |
21:57.44 | pastamancer | paste it on http://ace.pastey.net/ and give me the url of your paste |
21:57.45 | Grum | and make sure its not one of the modules you added |
21:59.15 | Industrial | why dont you start with what the error is |
21:59.18 | Industrial | updating is not a fix |
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21:59.54 | Grum | not having the latest version makes it hard to pinpoin what is wrong |
22:00.28 | james\ | I have the latest version |
22:00.30 | Industrial | yes, but you bring it as if that would make the problem go away |
22:00.35 | p3lim | anyone know what tooltip addon Tiany is using in his latest UI? |
22:00.42 | p3lim | http://5.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/1438/1438284decd1eeff7a891f1271e24e71ae56651.jpg |
22:00.51 | Grum | Industrial: pastamancer already said the next line i was going to type :) |
22:01.04 | Grum | 'and then paste the error on pastey if it still persists' :) |
22:01.28 | Industrial | p3lim: eep @ fonts >_> so unreadable |
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22:01.43 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: probably cowtip, although it sorta looks like tinytip but not |
22:01.58 | NeoTron | Grum: we've done a 2 hr clear |
22:02.03 | Arrowmaster | and yeah those fonts are so bad |
22:02.09 | Arrowmaster | just like most fonts people use |
22:02.16 | GeloG | TipTac? |
22:02.17 | p3lim | Industrial: what fonts? in the UI? |
22:02.17 | NeoTron | last week was pathetic and it took us almost the full 4 hrs |
22:02.19 | Grum | NeoTron: we oneshotted all tonight .. it went really fast somehow |
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22:02.25 | NeoTron | healing was just completely broken |
22:02.32 | NeoTron | we had the one wipe on archimonde |
22:02.34 | Grum | we usually mess up on archi once or twice |
22:02.42 | NeoTron | still expect to clear BT today |
22:02.46 | Industrial | p3lim: yes |
22:02.46 | Grum | we nearly fucked up .. 2 died .. brrr |
22:03.04 | Grum | and the whole melegroup ended up feared in a doomfire |
22:03.14 | Grum | and was at ~10% hp when the healers got out of the fear :D |
22:03.25 | NeoTron | wipes from 1-2 deaths usually depends on if the soul charge is used during/right before a fear |
22:03.28 | p3lim | not mine, i cant stand pixel fonts :p using Bitstead Vera Serif myself |
22:03.39 | p3lim | Bitstream* |
22:04.26 | p3lim | had fun in kara an hour ago, killed Curator duing the first evo :p usually we use 3 evo's so was sick, vt went like mad |
22:04.53 | james\ | getting following error in grid - http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=failgb0.jpg |
22:05.07 | james\ | oh actually |
22:05.12 | james\ | it's a different one now |
22:06.01 | Arrowmaster | thats not a grid error |
22:06.11 | Guardix | Banzai error |
22:07.06 | james\ | nah it was a different one |
22:07.11 | pastamancer | also, that file in banzai hasn't been changed in over a month |
22:07.32 | james\ | I just changed Grid to a version that was 2 weeks old |
22:07.37 | james\ | to see if it fixed it |
22:07.42 | james\ | but I'll change it back |
22:07.44 | james\ | sec |
22:08.01 | james\ | was something about line 97 in statusrange.lua |
22:08.51 | Grum | james\: you need to get BugSack orso so you can copy/paste the error, or Swatter |
22:09.22 | CIA-9 | 03kemayo * r64398 10StatBlocks_Quests/addon.lua: StatBlocks_Quests: Run the update less -- on quest gain/loss/complete, not the general update. |
22:09.25 | Stanzilla | Kaelten: fish restart pls |
22:09.30 | CIA-9 | 03pastamancer * r64399 10Grid/GridStatusRange.lua: Grid: forgot to initialize check_ranges, oops! |
22:09.35 | Kaelten | bah |
22:09.37 | pastamancer | that'll do it |
22:10.09 | james\ | http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=refaildd7.jpg |
22:10.20 | james\ | will that do for now ? |
22:10.28 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: fail, your suppost to kill curator before he evocs |
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22:10.38 | p3lim | :p |
22:10.46 | pastamancer | james\: fixed it, grab it when files updates |
22:10.51 | Diao | wtf |
22:10.53 | Diao | before evoc |
22:10.54 | Diao | is that even possible |
22:10.59 | Arrowmaster | yes |
22:11.01 | james\ | Pastamancer, you wrote grid ? |
22:11.02 | Arrowmaster | weve done it |
22:11.06 | Diao | o_O |
22:11.10 | pastamancer | james\: most of it |
22:11.18 | james\ | woah, /bow |
22:11.40 | JoshBorke | don't give him credit |
22:11.42 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64400 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: cleanup |
22:11.44 | JoshBorke | he don't deserve it ;-P |
22:11.44 | james\ | took me 3 years to switch, took 2 days of raids to set it up - but was worth it |
22:12.13 | pastamancer | what finally convinced you to switch? |
22:12.50 | [Ammo] | I heard you gave sexual favors to all switchers pasta |
22:12.56 | Ellipsis | 4srsly? |
22:13.17 | pastamancer | only noodly favors here |
22:13.39 | james\ | TBH it kind of intimidated me - SRaidFrames/CTRaid offer a lot out of the box |
22:13.48 | james\ | or within 3 mins of setup |
22:13.52 | pastamancer | err, his noodle even |
22:14.02 | Elsia | main reason for grid's coolness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts'_law |
22:14.38 | Grum | up |
22:14.39 | pastamancer | and yet so many people use it in non-square setups :/ |
22:14.51 | Grum | i stretch the squares to fit more info |
22:15.14 | Grum | the only thing i truly hate is the way it handles the group buildup |
22:15.25 | Grum | you just cant get it right with the default stuff :P |
22:15.25 | james\ | I use it in non-square setups, 79 or so width - tend to use healthbar colors for stuff like debuffs - so if someone gets a bigass debuff, their healthbar goes red |
22:15.30 | Elsia | I don't use it square, but fitt's law still holds :D |
22:15.35 | Grum | yup |
22:15.38 | james\ | are you ever going to add group numbers to it btw? |
22:15.50 | Grum | james\: why? you cant count to 5? ;D |
22:15.55 | pastamancer | nope, but peragor wrote a status module that adds them |
22:16.21 | james\ | for AV, I like 2 rows of 20, guess |
22:16.26 | Grum | i love the pet support but frankly, i need a 'raid+pets' option |
22:16.30 | Grum | not just 25m+pets |
22:17.07 | Grum | basicly fill out the groups and stack the pets on top of it |
22:17.14 | james\ | other thing that would be quite nice would be having groups 1+2+3 left of my char, 4+5 right of my char - without a frame over them, like 2 separate boxes |
22:17.18 | Grum | prolly need to make an addon for it that does it =D |
22:17.43 | Grum | kek that completely defeats the purpose of having grid ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts'_law ) |
22:18.01 | p3lim | what was the command for the fps test on taxi? |
22:18.58 | Elsia | the point of grid is really to minimize distance for mouse travel between healing targets, you don't want the squares in separate corners of the screen |
22:19.09 | sacarasc | what's the best mailbox addon (best/easiest to use/requires the least interaction) |
22:19.21 | p3lim | sacarasc: the ones by tekkub |
22:19.21 | Elsia | postal? |
22:19.24 | Grum | grid was made for mouse clickcasting ! |
22:19.36 | Grum | postal is fine |
22:19.37 | p3lim | ExpressMail and the other one |
22:19.55 | james\ | mmm is a fair point, tho one thing I liked about ctraid was being able to manually position groups |
22:20.06 | kergoth | betterinbox+expressmail+prioritymail imo |
22:20.06 | pastamancer | I hated that about ctraid |
22:20.21 | GeloG | What are mail addons used for now? |
22:20.25 | pastamancer | let me find a screenshot... |
22:20.35 | kergoth | betterinbox gives the scroll wheel instead of paged interface, expressmail for shift-click loot, and prioritymail so when you hit the max # of attachments using rightclick, it automatically sends and open s a new send mail to that same destination |
22:20.38 | james\ | sec, wanna be scared ? |
22:21.05 | pastamancer | http://kyle.13th-floor.org/images/wow/WoWScrnShot_062806_203143.jpg |
22:21.10 | pastamancer | that's the bad 'ol days |
22:21.21 | kergoth | yikes |
22:21.27 | Gelo | :> |
22:21.34 | NeoTron | pastamancer: haha |
22:21.37 | Yssaril | pastamancer: lol oldschool UI :P |
22:22.01 | kergoth | i used grid back when i was in mc & bwl, kicked ass for that, but went to perfectraid since, just cause i'm not in raids that big anymore to need teeny boxes |
22:22.01 | kergoth | heh |
22:22.01 | xyu | my oldschool UI looked nice actually |
22:22.05 | xyu | probably better than my current :P |
22:22.05 | Cheads | whoho.. lava surger! |
22:22.07 | NeoTron | I counter with http://eongames.com/wow/screens/myui.jpg |
22:22.29 | Saroz | castparty! |
22:22.31 | Saroz | was so awesome |
22:22.35 | pastamancer | haha, nice |
22:22.42 | xyu | oldschool perfect raid was too |
22:22.44 | Grum | completely horrid :D |
22:22.54 | xyu | and squishy |
22:23.13 | kergoth | hehe, squishy.. |
22:23.15 | kergoth | i remember that |
22:23.16 | NeoTron | I still think cast party was the best single-group UI as a healer |
22:23.35 | pastamancer | http://kyle.13th-floor.org/images/wow/WoWScrnShot_101806_232739.jpg ooh, that was from when I was just starting on grid |
22:24.18 | Grum | whoha |
22:24.23 | Grum | grid around for that long? |
22:24.25 | p3lim | shame about the oldschool grids was that you werent able to see the health too clearly |
22:24.42 | kergoth | perfecttargets, i miss that |
22:24.57 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/giantrabbit.jpg |
22:25.00 | pastamancer | since Oct 14, 2006 |
22:25.04 | Elsia | what's more scary is that KTM is that old :P |
22:25.05 | p3lim | :) |
22:25.11 | NeoTron | kergoth: you shall be glad to know I intend to implement something similar for MagicMarker |
22:25.18 | p3lim | now THAT is a big bunny! |
22:25.33 | NeoTron | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/giantrabbit2.jpg for some info |
22:25.42 | NeoTron | 40kg bunny |
22:25.46 | james\ | here you go pastamancer, http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ctraidtd1.jpg |
22:26.08 | NeoTron | it's funny |
22:26.23 | p3lim | anyone remember the stresstest slashcommand? the one that hides all crap while flying |
22:26.26 | NeoTron | abck then you HAD To use ctra because there was no way to get all the info you can get today :) |
22:26.32 | pastamancer | heh, yeah |
22:26.45 | Grum | the horrors of 40m raids >< |
22:27.06 | james\ | well, if you wanted to do range checking, you put the people you wanted to heal on one side, and the people you didn't on the other |
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22:28.10 | Yssaril | in 2.4 we can put icons into text right? |
22:28.17 | pastamancer | yar |
22:28.22 | james\ | did you manage to fix that bug where someone's healthbar doesn't update btw? |
22:28.32 | aestil | why would we want to put icons into text? |
22:28.41 | Cryect | <pastamancer> and yet so many people use it in non-square setups :/ |
22:28.45 | pastamancer | james\: that's caused by misconfiguring grid |
22:28.48 | Cryect | would be better if you had it in hexagon setups ;) |
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22:29.07 | james\ | oh |
22:29.09 | pastamancer | Cryect: haha, If I could create non-square frames... |
22:29.43 | Cryect | I was about to say you could then thought well not secure ones |
22:29.47 | pastamancer | http://wowace.com/wiki/Grid/FAQ first entry "Why does the healt hbar seem to get "stuck" sometimes" |
22:29.57 | Yssaril | aestil: could makes some things simpler but you can send the raidicons via chat on 2.4 so instead of saying aestil CC star you would say aestil CC {star} and it would actually turn into a star |
22:30.12 | Cryect | you could do half offseted ones like often is done in hex based games that don't feel like drawing real hexes |
22:30.14 | mikma | noobs. http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_010508_013102.jpg |
22:30.15 | aestil | will that work in /rw? |
22:30.17 | pastamancer | well, the clickable area must be square |
22:30.20 | Cryect | right |
22:30.37 | Cryect | Well you could still do it |
22:30.43 | Cryect | with lots of tiny frames! |
22:30.50 | Cryect | 1 pixel width frames |
22:30.52 | pastamancer | ewwww |
22:30.56 | JoshBorke | ~lart cryect |
22:30.56 | purl | changes cryect's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
22:31.31 | Ellipsis | oh snap! |
22:32.03 | aestil | kgpanels is still not in trunk |
22:32.22 | james\ | mmm I use healthbar for death, offline warning and unit health - but I use healthbar color for tonnes of shit - nothing like a nice red healthbar to show who has aggro etc. |
22:32.41 | james\ | but nvm, you'd have the patience of a saint to answer all the qs you must get |
22:33.20 | pastamancer | most of the time I ignore the ones that have been answered before |
22:33.32 | Yssaril | pastamancer: http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1516/highrezoverlayuj6.jpg <--- the red green and blue regions are clickable :0 3 buttons non square at all :P |
22:34.05 | pastamancer | Yssaril: how does that work? |
22:34.19 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64401 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.lua locales/enUS.lua): |
22:34.19 | CIA-9 | WitchHunt: |
22:34.19 | CIA-9 | - Add Message Filtering. You can now select certain messagetypes to not be displayed. |
22:34.19 | CIA-9 | - Kergoth here's your option to not show begins to cast :) |
22:34.21 | Yssaril | what Cryect said lots of little frames :P |
22:34.33 | pastamancer | gross |
22:34.36 | Polarina | pastamancer: Probably some algorithm found on Wikipedia. |
22:34.38 | Yssaril | workes quite well actually |
22:34.49 | Cryect | can't do math Polarina for secureframes |
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22:35.04 | Cryect | yeah you might say gross |
22:35.12 | Cryect | but wow is pretty good at rendering tons of frames |
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22:35.37 | Cryect | it sucks at setting upt he position of those frames but.... luckily it only does that when something moves |
22:36.07 | Nefarion | anyone bored and up to helping optimize some code? =) |
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22:36.44 | Yssaril | yep for my purpose i create them at login and then hide/show them as needed so i only pay the setupcost once |
22:36.53 | NeoTron | and I thought I had a lot of frames in GravBlox :P |
22:36.59 | Cryect | well what if a player wants to move them |
22:37.19 | Polarina | Nefarion: local CreateFrame = CreateFrame |
22:37.26 | Yssaril | Cryect: change the var and /reloadui :P |
22:37.27 | Nefarion | O.o |
22:37.58 | KarlThePagan | I bet that a bunch of tiny frames would cause a lot of problems on slower machines when the user does start-drag |
22:38.14 | CIA-9 | 03ammo 072.4 * r64402 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: make testing messages use the proper formatting routine |
22:38.17 | Cryect | it creates lots of problems on faster machines as well ;) |
22:38.17 | JoshBorke | karlthepagan: why? just set point and wow takes care of the rest :-D |
22:38.30 | Cryect | if by problems you mean slowdown |
22:38.48 | Yssaril | KarlThePagan: as long as they all reference to one frame its not to bad if they say frame n+1 references frame n then you get big problems with lag :) |
22:39.14 | KarlThePagan | JoshBorke, Yssaril not sure why but my previous machine had a sizable delay when I would move a clickable frame over/under another clickable frame |
22:39.18 | Cryect | I really question why blizzard takes exponetial time for n references deep |
22:39.19 | james\ | btw, cryect, are you still working on recount ? |
22:39.31 | Cryect | I'm working on Recount 2 and Elsia is working on Recount |
22:39.40 | KarlThePagan | maybe it's not the start drag where the performance hit is, but when the client has to figure out which one recieves the clicks |
22:39.55 | Cryect | no the client is pretty good at that |
22:40.01 | james\ | are you ever going to work on IMBA again? |
22:40.05 | Cryect | dragging is the bigger issue |
22:40.17 | Cryect | I don't plan to since Blizzard decided to kill most my smart functionality |
22:40.20 | Yssaril | KarlThePagan: dragging the frame is the problem once its static its not a big deal |
22:40.23 | Cryect | besides I don't raid anymore |
22:40.33 | KarlThePagan | well whatever caues it, when I made 2 clickable frames "collide" it was a big slowdown for normal square regions |
22:40.35 | Cryect | I wrote IMBA when there was no boss addons for the bosses we were doing etc |
22:40.38 | james\ | Shame, I killed 4H with that mod :) |
22:40.52 | Cryect | or there would be and the numbers were wrong etc |
22:40.53 | KarlThePagan | my new machine is a rediculous beast |
22:41.02 | Cryect | or I wanted to do things better or more smartly |
22:41.04 | Yssaril | KarlThePagan: what do you mean with collide? |
22:41.09 | Nefarion | yeah on my ancient machine dragging frames usually goes a little laggy at first. and when they hit the edge of the screen for the first time i get a jump. |
22:41.12 | james\ | yes, imba used client side parsing for the timers on their abilities |
22:41.19 | KarlThePagan | Yssaril, I mean at the point where I move one frame over (or under) another |
22:41.30 | james\ | la vendetta used timers so it went out |
22:41.44 | KarlThePagan | it litterally would hiccup for a noticable amount of time when one frame would go over or under another |
22:41.46 | Yssaril | KarlThePagan: ahh idk about that |
22:41.53 | Cryect | yeah IMBA was the only one that was consistently accurate for a while |
22:42.27 | Zeksie | KarlThePagan, topLevel can cause that afaik. my slower machine used to have a lot of problems with that flag |
22:42.41 | Cryect | never use Toplevel |
22:42.47 | KarlThePagan | but anyways, that's the only thing I would test for if you're doing complex clickable regions like that... if it produces a slowdown then dragging it might make some users disconnect |
22:42.55 | KarlThePagan | Zeksie, cool |
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22:43.32 | Cryect | amusing lua code I've written to do the same thing as toplevel has none of those issues |
22:44.07 | Cryect | someone really needs to sitdown and fix their C code for framesetup sometime |
22:44.27 | Cryect | luckily though it really needs to be run but when it does ugh |
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22:45.57 | Zeksie | indeed.. |
22:46.23 | Yssaril | just created 6x10000 frames and it had virtually no impact on performance (took a wile to setup though :P) also hide/show locks up my machine for about .5 sec :) |
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22:46.59 | Zeksie | yeah. static frames are fine. just some of the erm.. hacks, slow it down |
22:46.59 | doc^bla | is expertise_rating -> expertise always rounded down? |
22:47.37 | Zeksie | the actual number is never rounded, only what you see on client. in which case, probably |
22:47.45 | KarlThePagan | yea, that's what I've seen |
22:47.51 | KarlThePagan | it's the character frame that rounds |
22:47.54 | Yssaril | probably just trunkated instead of rounded :) |
22:48.25 | doc^bla | i thought it is always rounded down |
22:49.57 | Cryect | well rounded down is flooring so yes |
22:50.10 | Cryect | works that way for all the ratings |
22:50.24 | Cryect | well that convert to points |
22:50.37 | Cryect | so uh just expertise and defense :-p |
22:50.44 | Zeksie | they all seem to be rounded, except for GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_EXPERTISE) |
22:50.54 | doc^bla | no, it's special for expertise |
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22:51.26 | Polarina | Yssaril: Try one thing for me if you have time to; create a frame and make it the parent of the other "mini"-frames, and Show/Hide toggle the parent frame and see how that performs performance wise. |
22:51.37 | james\ | you know |
22:51.54 | james\ | whiteboard would have good for learning gruul :P did 2.0 break that too ? |
22:52.06 | Cryect | there is a better addon than whiteboard |
22:52.09 | Cryect | Doodle |
22:52.16 | Cryect | unless you are talking about something like blackboard |
22:52.39 | Cryect | and whiteboard I don't think was actually broken by 2.0 |
22:52.43 | Yssaril | Polarina: thats actually what i did :) it hicups briefly the mroe frames you got (though at a low number less than 200 or so) it shouldnt really be noticable |
22:52.49 | chiper | Doodle eh? I am intrigued |
22:53.03 | Cryect | ~doodle |
22:53.03 | purl | i heard doodle is A better version of Whiteboard, but without the suck, much more efficient. Think Pictionary for WoW, except without annoying celebrities or drunk neighbors. |
22:53.35 | Cryect | Whiteboard spams the hell out of the guild chat channel for those wondering what thats about ;) |
22:53.37 | chiper | will have to check that out tonight |
22:53.42 | aestil | what about gruul requires doodle? |
22:53.51 | Yssaril | Polarina: iterating over every frame to hide it would be slower i think |
22:54.05 | Cryect | I guess just easier to show people where to stand /shrug |
22:54.30 | Polarina | Yssaril: Definitely. ;) |
22:55.31 | james\ | aestil, pre-gruul nerf, there were positions |
22:55.35 | Polarina | Yssaril: Try to do SetAlpha(0) and SetAlpha(1) respectively. |
22:56.49 | chiper | gruul encounter kinda reminds me onyxia |
22:56.59 | chiper | but I suppose thats intended |
22:57.50 | aestil | james\: i havn't done gruul for 9 months or more, when was tis nerf? |
22:58.00 | Cryect | more than 9 months ago |
22:58.01 | james\ | pre-2.1 |
22:58.04 | Chompers | is there an irc addon/script to add colours to people? |
22:58.17 | Chompers | everyone + text being white is hard to follow |
22:58.19 | chiper | to people? like, the models? |
22:58.21 | Cryect | was nerfed like 6 -8weeks after TBC came out |
22:58.22 | james\ | sec, let me see |
22:58.30 | aestil | with mag? |
22:58.33 | Cryect | no |
22:58.36 | Cryect | mag was nerfed later |
22:58.54 | aestil | hmm. then i don't know if i killed gruul pre nerf. killed mag prenerf for sure. |
22:59.03 | aestil | and vashj, and kael. |
22:59.12 | aestil | and illidian in its current form is a let down. |
22:59.18 | Groktar | we had gruul to 2% the night before the nerf |
22:59.24 | Yssaril | Polarina: no noticeable lag (have about 10k subframes) |
22:59.36 | JoshBorke | frames are cheap |
22:59.42 | JoshBorke | it's when you add to them they get expensive |
22:59.57 | james\ | http://photofile.name/photo/rulcherkizovo/2694938/large/51875571.jpg |
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23:00.31 | chiper | chompers: oh, mirc. eh, dunno, I've often found mirc's color options very limited |
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23:01.16 | Yssaril | Polarina: why you asking btw ? justsetup a little test addon to run tests :) |
23:01.16 | james\ | we didn't have that map ofc, but we used similar positions, so you'd have to explain to people new to the fight where they could stand - because there were rocks and stuff that you could stand on to reduce the places you could be thrown to |
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23:02.02 | Yssaril | can functions be garbage collected? |
23:02.02 | Polarina | Yssaril: Curious. |
23:02.11 | Polarina | Yssaril: Yes, but not frames. |
23:03.04 | Yssaril | they should really give us a DestroyFrame(frame[,destroySubframes]) option |
23:03.10 | Ordog | is there an addon to sort battleground groups so they match the raid group ? |
23:03.23 | Cryect | why Yssaril? |
23:03.35 | Cryect | how often do you want to create frames and destroy them? |
23:03.39 | Cryect | and if you do |
23:03.44 | Cryect | then create a cache of them |
23:03.54 | Polarina | Yssaril: Or enable garbage collection on frames that are hidden. |
23:03.59 | Cryect | or if you don't want to do that you can use Ace3's GUI framework for that |
23:04.05 | Cryect | I don't want hidden frames to be GC'ed |
23:04.22 | Yssaril | yea hidden frames hare hidden for a reason :) |
23:04.28 | Cryect | I wouldn't mind if I could label one to be GC'ed but hidden isn't it :-p |
23:04.41 | Cryect | just don't see a strong need for being able to delete frames though |
23:04.44 | Polarina | Cryect: If they are out of scope, then yes. They are floating around there with you having no methods to acquire a reference to it. |
23:04.54 | Yssaril | yea true no strong need for it :) |
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23:06.51 | Anadale | zeskie, are you still here? ;) |
23:07.03 | Yssaril | hidden frames without reference to them is bad coding though :p (at least if they aren't GC'ed) |
23:07.16 | Cryect | I have to say though I don't think i would recommend anyone actually use Ace3Gui considering its like ~120kb of code |
23:07.47 | Cryect | How would a hidden frame have no references? |
23:07.51 | Cryect | it always is a parent to something |
23:07.54 | Cryect | I mean child |
23:08.01 | Cryect | so the parent always has a reference |
23:08.04 | Cryect | hence it can't be gc'ed |
23:08.08 | Polarina | Cryect: Bad coding. :) |
23:08.43 | Polarina | Cryect: And if there are no references to the parent? |
23:08.54 | Cryect | everything has to be a subchild of UIParent |
23:09.04 | Polarina | Cryect: WorldFrame? |
23:09.21 | Cryect | worldframe is child of UIParent isn't it? |
23:09.30 | Polarina | Cryect: No. |
23:09.50 | NeoTron | man all the lua programming is messing me up when I code java at work |
23:10.02 | chiper | NeoTron: been there :P |
23:10.06 | JoshBorke | frames do not need to have parents |
23:10.08 | NeoTron | I just wrote if(something) then { ... } |
23:10.10 | Polarina | NeoTron: May I offer you Lua bindings for Java? |
23:10.17 | chiper | ahahaha |
23:10.30 | NeoTron | Polarina: heh. probably not :P |
23:10.32 | JoshBorke | you cannot destroy frames because they are C constructs |
23:10.44 | chiper | I sometimes catch myself using realbasic code in my javascript |
23:10.53 | Cryect | WorldFrame is also created by internal C code |
23:11.06 | CIA-9 | 03rabbit * r64403 10BananaDKP/ (BananaDKP.lua type/Symphony.lua): BananaDKP: Bugfixes. |
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23:12.41 | Cryect | I see when you do create a frame parented to nil it has no parent it says though it always acts like UIParent is its parent |
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23:14.16 | chiper | mmm. I once took an online javascript class for credit on my CS degree. the class had a first-day introduction seminar that we had to show up in person for. the instructor begins the class talking about how he didn't like working in JavaScript because it was case sensitive. |
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23:14.36 | Yssaril | rofl |
23:14.58 | Yssaril | case sensitivity opens up so many more fun things though :) |
23:15.19 | chiper | I didnt read a single one of the man's lectures. I just did the homework assignments and pass the class with an A |
23:15.27 | Yssaril | lol |
23:15.30 | Cryect | what language was he used to coding in? Basic? |
23:15.37 | Kaelten | chiper: thats special |
23:15.40 | chiper | Cryect: pretty much, yeah. |
23:15.46 | chiper | ASP and VB |
23:15.57 | Cryect | Basic is like the only language I can think of that doesn't have case sensitivity |
23:16.03 | Kaelten | chiper: I think I agree with Joel(Joelonsoftware.com iirc) that syntax is the last thing that we should choose a language based on. |
23:16.03 | chiper | same |
23:16.08 | Cryect | ASP does I think though? |
23:16.21 | Kaelten | doesn't Asp let you code in any .net language? |
23:16.24 | Cryect | yes |
23:16.36 | Cryect | Hence the variable names matter you set things to |
23:16.42 | QuantumDelta | Antiarc are you about mate? |
23:16.45 | Antiarc | Yup |
23:16.52 | QuantumDelta | I gotta a ponderance for ya |
23:16.57 | QuantumDelta | (threat lib) |
23:16.57 | Antiarc | Ponder away |
23:17.09 | Cryect | Glad ASP lets me inline code or I would hate even more than I currently do |
23:17.17 | QuantumDelta | one of my hunters has been complaining omen is inaccurate regarding his threat |
23:17.31 | Shirik | Cryect: It's ok to hate ASP |
23:17.34 | Shirik | there's nothing to like about it |
23:17.41 | QuantumDelta | since he was so insistant we looked into it a bit |
23:17.44 | chiper | *shrug* those were the languages he extolled. his basic attitude was "I dont like it, but it's the industry standard so you have to use it." he sounded disgruntled that VBScript wasnt mroe supported |
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23:18.19 | Antiarc | What'd you find? |
23:18.29 | QuantumDelta | Their tier set that gives a damage to healing 2 set bonus |
23:18.51 | QuantumDelta | err to put it into the CLs words exactly |
23:18.55 | QuantumDelta | well, 2set is 15% damage or the like is healing towards the pet. 50% of that leaves me with a 107.5 threat |
23:19.20 | QuantumDelta | I was just wondering if that were his problem or whether you'd already accomodated for it |
23:19.43 | Antiarc | It should automatically account for that, as long as the combat log says "Hunter's SetBonusHeal heals PEt for 1234" or whatever |
23:20.12 | QuantumDelta | Hmm |
23:20.37 | QuantumDelta | if that weren't present in the combat log? |
23:21.11 | Antiarc | Then it wouldn't catch it, but it also shouldn't generate threat |
23:21.34 | Antiarc | Things like the Mana Spring totem and Salv don't cause threat, but they don't have clog entries either. |
23:21.52 | QuantumDelta | I see |
23:22.32 | QuantumDelta | He's gonna check his combat log now for it |
23:22.56 | Lukian | maybe he should dequip one of the items and see if his threat is still out ;) |
23:23.14 | QuantumDelta | trying to lock it down, since I've seen him pull agro whilst having been 7th or 8th (with the tank still having a threat lead) on the second player |
23:23.27 | QuantumDelta | heh yea that was going to be my next comment to him :P |
23:23.27 | Antiarc | That's definitely off |
23:23.31 | Antiarc | Does he have the Illidan bow? |
23:23.35 | QuantumDelta | naw |
23:23.40 | chiper | pet healing shouldnt be causing THAT much threat, should it? |
23:23.51 | Antiarc | No, it shouldn't |
23:24.11 | QuantumDelta | well our DPS normally huddle quite a lot threat wise |
23:24.28 | Yssaril | QuantumDelta: and he has the latest version of omen |
23:24.33 | Yssaril | ? |
23:24.34 | Antiarc | Is it possible he's feigning and popping up too soon? |
23:24.49 | Ordog | does somebody know how i can automagically sort battleground groups so they match the raid group ? |
23:24.51 | Antiarc | Omen clears threat pretty fast after an FD, but you have to stay FDd for a second or two for the clear to actually happen |
23:24.52 | chiper | that sounds very likely |
23:25.00 | Antiarc | Stupid FD being stupid untrackable reliably. |
23:25.07 | QuantumDelta | err |
23:25.13 | chiper | I've had that happen |
23:25.19 | Yssaril | Ordog: dont think its possible to get info about yoru raid while in a BG |
23:25.24 | QuantumDelta | interesting |
23:25.32 | Ordog | Yssaril ive seen it working |
23:25.41 | Ordog | hell of a lag but works |
23:26.15 | Antiarc | Omen will clear threat as soon as the Feign Death buff is detected, but under laggy situations it takes 1-2 sec of FD for the clear to go through. |
23:26.24 | Yssaril | Ordog: would be some addon that does it but idk of one good luck |
23:26.25 | Antiarc | FD is a really weird skill. |
23:26.33 | QuantumDelta | hmm.... |
23:26.50 | Yssaril | does the combat log show if a FD was resisted? |
23:26.52 | QuantumDelta | but wouldn't that lead to excess numbers rather than lower numbers that are real? |
23:26.54 | Antiarc | No |
23:27.01 | Antiarc | (@Yssaril) |
23:27.11 | Antiarc | No, it would show lower numbers |
23:27.20 | Antiarc | Because Omen's display resets, but his threat doesn't |
23:27.36 | Antiarc | So he keeps DPSing since Omen says he's fine, pops over the tank since his threat didn't actually clear, and oh hay aggro :V |
23:27.42 | QuantumDelta | WoW doesn't wipe your threat is you're fast on getting up after an FD? |
23:27.43 | QuantumDelta | wtf :< |
23:27.47 | Antiarc | Correct. |
23:28.00 | Antiarc | Like I said, it's a really weird skill. |
23:28.12 | Antiarc | Frustrating as hell to try to code for :P |
23:28.16 | QuantumDelta | haha |
23:28.36 | Yssaril | Antiarc: does the new combat log help with it any? |
23:28.39 | Antiarc | Nope. |
23:28.42 | QuantumDelta | you get no kinda update at all on a feign resist either how ridiculus |
23:28.44 | Antiarc | Sadly. |
23:28.55 | Antiarc | You get a red error message in the UI errors frame |
23:29.00 | Antiarc | Same one where you get "Ability not ready" |
23:29.02 | Antiarc | But that's it |
23:29.06 | Antiarc | No per-target info |
23:29.25 | Yssaril | do you get resist reports for soulshatter? |
23:29.30 | Antiarc | Yes |
23:29.31 | QuantumDelta | addons can't pull from that frame can they? |
23:29.36 | Antiarc | We can, yes |
23:29.43 | Antiarc | So I can see when an FD is resisted, but I can't see who resisted it |
23:29.54 | Antiarc | So if it's, say, Hyjal trash, I have to roll back the clear on all mobs |
23:29.56 | Antiarc | Even though only 1 resisted |
23:30.00 | Antiarc | Because I can't tell who resisted |
23:30.01 | Antiarc | It sucks. |
23:30.10 | QuantumDelta | ugh |
23:30.15 | Elsia | hmm there is a SPELL_CAST_FAIL that fires for a lot of these failure situations now. anyone actually tested if it shows FD resists? |
23:30.34 | Antiarc | I tested FD resists out a bit and didn't see any new useful info. |
23:30.49 | Elsia | might be worth poking alexanderyoshi about this |
23:30.55 | Antiarc | I have |
23:30.58 | chiper | wait, why cant you? |
23:31.00 | Antiarc | He's said there's not much he can do about it |
23:31.05 | Elsia | i see |
23:31.08 | Antiarc | chiper: You don't get any per-target info |
23:31.11 | chiper | I have an addon that plays a chime when my FD is resisted |
23:31.14 | chiper | oh, I see |
23:31.15 | Antiarc | YOu just get a "Resisted" message. |
23:31.21 | Antiarc | No info on who resisted |
23:31.26 | chiper | does 2.4 fix that? |
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23:31.29 | Antiarc | Nope |
23:31.32 | chiper | bummer |
23:31.36 | Antiarc | yeah/ |
23:31.38 | Antiarc | I was hoping for it. |
23:31.51 | Antiarc | I need to get a minimap button for Omen |
23:32.08 | Antiarc | But I don't want to write that code myself :[ |
23:32.14 | Yssaril | Antiarc: fubarpluggin? |
23:32.23 | Antiarc | I'm using Ace3 |
23:32.27 | Antiarc | Which there isn't a fubarplugin for yet. |
23:32.50 | Yssaril | isnt someone working on one for ace3 (or a framework neutral one)? |
23:32.59 | kergoth | isnt there some embeddable minimap button lib floating around? |
23:33.13 | Antiarc | Well, I also have to finish LibDropdown |
23:33.32 | Yssaril | ?? new dewdrop type lib> |
23:33.36 | Antiarc | Yeah |
23:33.41 | JoshBorke | cryect, come run kara |
23:33.41 | Antiarc | LibStub, framework independent |
23:33.50 | Yssaril | ahhh |
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23:35.15 | mytos | evening folks |
23:35.26 | QuantumDelta | thank you btw antiarc :) |
23:35.36 | Yssaril | Antiarc: you could jsut make a button that follows a round minimap and call it a day till you have more time (round minimap support shouldnt be hard at all i think) |
23:35.50 | Antiarc | But see, I'm lazy. I want someone else to do it for me : |
23:35.50 | Antiarc | :P |
23:35.53 | Antiarc | So, funny story. |
23:36.03 | Antiarc | The other day, I was in Best Buy while I waited on my tires to be changed next door. |
23:36.07 | NeoTron | I was just going to make a MM_FuBar ace2 addon for the time being |
23:36.11 | Antiarc | And they had this display setup with a huge monitor and stuff |
23:36.17 | Antiarc | And were playing an Illidan kill video |
23:36.23 | Yssaril | lol |
23:36.26 | Antiarc | With Omen right in the middle of the screen. That was pretty bizarre. |
23:36.35 | Antiarc | Then a salesman walked up to me and was all "You play WoW?" |
23:36.37 | JoshBorke | ' lol |
23:36.38 | Antiarc | "Yeah, a little bit" |
23:36.42 | Antiarc | And just walked away :P |
23:36.44 | NeoTron | hah |
23:36.54 | Yssaril | should sue them for the movie rights to omen :P |
23:37.01 | Antiarc | I'm pretty sure if I'd said "Yeah, see that? I wrote that" he'd have laughed at me :P |
23:37.12 | KarlThePagan | or given you free shit! |
23:37.15 | KarlThePagan | that would be awesome |
23:37.18 | xyu | omen in the middle of the screen means even a big red flashing screen and a soundfile is not enough to warn you of the danger of pulling aggro :D |
23:37.35 | QuantumDelta | lol |
23:37.38 | Antiarc | Omen2 includes screen shaking (off by default) |
23:37.41 | kergoth | Antiarc: theres a LibMMButton-1.0 on the woawce trunk, libstub... dunno if its any good, didnt look at the code, but.. |
23:37.47 | Antiarc | So you get a big red flash and a sound file and your screen going nuts |
23:37.52 | NeoTron | speaking of that, should make a post on how enabling shake'n'bake for my guild |
23:37.52 | Antiarc | I'll take a peek at it |
23:38.02 | KarlThePagan | dude I would totally use screen shaking |
23:38.03 | xyu | Omen3 = reboots your PC |
23:38.10 | QuantumDelta | lmao xyu |
23:38.15 | mytos | i got 5g on tich says the video was recorded on a hunter |
23:38.26 | Antiarc | It was a shaman, resto |
23:38.32 | QuantumDelta | wth |
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23:38.36 | KarlThePagan | hahah omen healer |
23:38.37 | Antiarc | why he had omen, I dunno |
23:38.38 | QuantumDelta | when do resto shamans get agro ;s |
23:38.39 | KarlThePagan | not on void reaver |
23:38.48 | Antiarc | But I was all "oh, okay, I'm famous at best buy" |
23:38.53 | KarlThePagan | void reaver if they're learning it |
23:39.03 | QuantumDelta | eh |
23:39.09 | Kaelten | http://www.break.com/index/death-metal-puppy.html |
23:39.15 | QuantumDelta | If you have a healer pull agro at void reaver |
23:39.21 | KarlThePagan | or he wants to know who to yell at if they wiped |
23:39.23 | QuantumDelta | you really need to invest in some better tanks ;s |
23:39.30 | Antiarc | I have class filtering and old-style autocollapse into Omen2 now |
23:39.36 | KarlThePagan | QuantumDelta, shamans will be spamming chain heal and get a lot of aggro |
23:39.38 | Antiarc | I need a minimap button or fubar plugin bridge and I'm set |
23:39.49 | QuantumDelta | ....I can solo tank VR |
23:39.54 | Antiarc | Druid? |
23:39.58 | QuantumDelta | Pally :D |
23:39.59 | KarlThePagan | QuantumDelta, want a cookie? |
23:40.04 | QuantumDelta | My point is |
23:40.07 | QuantumDelta | with 3 tanks |
23:40.19 | QuantumDelta | I find it hard to believe they can't handle +800 TPS :< |
23:42.14 | KarlThePagan | what boss are you cleared too QuantumDelta ? |
23:42.17 | Polarina | QuantumDelta: Have then enter Defencive Stance. |
23:42.20 | QuantumDelta | Council |
23:42.50 | KarlThePagan | ok grats, you're overgeared for VR... I said if they were learning the encounter (i.e. not overgeared) they might have to worry about aggro |
23:42.58 | QuantumDelta | Psst |
23:43.01 | KarlThePagan | :P |
23:43.05 | QuantumDelta | my threat gear hasn't changed since karazhan |
23:43.06 | QuantumDelta | ;\ |
23:43.12 | QuantumDelta | or well |
23:43.18 | QuantumDelta | it includes HoJ now but that's it xD |
23:43.38 | KarlThePagan | you mean you're not rolling against priests on the ZA hammer from eagle boss? |
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23:43.48 | Megalon | Ordog: you'll have to save the raid pre-join, and adjust it post-join |
23:43.57 | Zeksie | nite all. ;) |
23:44.01 | NeoTron | Antiarc: someone posted a (simple) libstub fubar plugin, don't recall who did |
23:44.06 | QuantumDelta | Eh why would I bother ;\ |
23:44.22 | KarlThePagan | what are you using? it's a fast hammer with a lot of stam |
23:44.31 | QuantumDelta | hammer of justice^ |
23:44.51 | QuantumDelta | prior to that gavel of unearthed or continuum blade |
23:44.53 | KarlThePagan | uh, wowhead link? |
23:44.58 | QuantumDelta | x_x |
23:45.19 | KarlThePagan | oh wait... |
23:45.26 | KarlThePagan | you're horde side... tanking with seal of blood? |
23:45.31 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
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23:45.52 | QuantumDelta | ok apparently i can't spell |
23:45.55 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster is the guilty party |
23:46.01 | QuantumDelta | and no i'm alliance side and tanking with seal swapping sov/sor ;p |
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23:46.31 | NeoTron | don't know what the status of it is |
23:46.36 | QuantumDelta | and I soooo meant judgement |
23:46.36 | QuantumDelta | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34009 |
23:47.24 | NeoTron | seal swapping? |
23:47.28 | KarlThePagan | yea check out Amani Punisher |
23:47.32 | NeoTron | does that really gain you that much? |
23:48.07 | QuantumDelta | a lot |
23:48.12 | QuantumDelta | I know AP :P |
23:48.25 | NeoTron | so how does it work? Have SoV up so the dot remains/ |
23:48.40 | QuantumDelta | Yea you maintain the DoT whilst maximising your SoR uptime |
23:48.40 | KarlThePagan | yea looks like he 5 stacks veng and then goes to righteousness |
23:48.41 | Antiarc | http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot030408001046qn8.jpg |
23:48.42 | NeoTron | I found before that it was painful enough to keep the dot up with SoV alone |
23:48.43 | Antiarc | EARTH |
23:48.44 | Antiarc | WIND |
23:48.44 | Antiarc | WATER |
23:48.45 | Antiarc | FIRE |
23:48.47 | Antiarc | HEARTH |
23:48.49 | QuantumDelta | slower weapons with WF/Reck helps loads ;/ |
23:49.04 | QuantumDelta | Expertise/Hit neotron |
23:49.08 | QuantumDelta | especially with a slow weapon |
23:49.21 | QuantumDelta | LOL at that UI |
23:49.27 | NeoTron | I suppose |
23:49.32 | NeoTron | I can't say I ever had much threat issues |
23:49.50 | NeoTron | meaning with t4+some ZA gear I could outthreat t5/partial t6 geared dpsers |
23:49.59 | QuantumDelta | I only really use it for Teron |
23:50.08 | Tuller | that may be the finest interface crafted by mankind |
23:50.11 | QuantumDelta | oh and Illidan when I get there |
23:50.15 | NeoTron | We just used 2 tanks on gorefiend instead of using the prot pally :P |
23:50.28 | QuantumDelta | 2 tanks? oO? |
23:50.30 | KarlThePagan | that UI is awesome... |
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23:50.33 | NeoTron | it's easier actually |
23:50.44 | dodga | than what? :D |
23:50.44 | QuantumDelta | I'm confused |
23:50.47 | QuantumDelta | why 2 tanks? |
23:50.50 | NeoTron | sorry |
23:50.53 | NeoTron | bloodboil :P |
23:50.56 | QuantumDelta | Oh |
23:51.06 | NeoTron | mind broken. error found. |
23:51.11 | QuantumDelta | I've had 'fun' with that boss :< |
23:51.20 | NeoTron | it's a pain in the neck boss for a pally to tank |
23:51.33 | QuantumDelta | ..why? |
23:51.38 | dodga | ehehe captain planet ui |
23:51.39 | dodga | n1 :> |
23:51.40 | NeoTron | yay I'm top threat but can't come down or I'm so far below the other tanks I don't get hit |
23:51.49 | NeoTron | so much threat is passive from being hit on |
23:51.50 | QuantumDelta | don't come down! |
23:51.57 | NeoTron | if you don't come down you die |
23:52.03 | NeoTron | you need to tank swap on gorefiend |
23:52.05 | NeoTron | err |
23:52.08 | NeoTron | bloodboil |
23:52.22 | QuantumDelta | eh |
23:52.35 | QuantumDelta | just get your avoidance up above 65% and go all out all the time |
23:52.48 | Diao | Antiarc |
23:52.51 | Diao | where did you find that ui pic o_ |
23:52.52 | Diao | o_o* |
23:52.55 | QuantumDelta | other tanks are there to catch if you get bewildered or too many stacks whilst you have DS on CD |
23:52.55 | Diao | that is amazing and awesome |
23:52.56 | Antiarc | On the WoW forums |
23:52.59 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103821899&sid=1 |
23:53.05 | QuantumDelta | I normally control him for ~50-70% of the fight |
23:53.11 | NeoTron | but they can't catch up if you're way the heck above |
23:53.18 | NeoTron | and you can't just drop aggro |
23:53.19 | QuantumDelta | I've solo tanked him for the last 25% ;\ |
23:53.27 | NeoTron | we've had that happen too |
23:53.30 | Chompers | Antiarc : i'd love you long time if you added a player creatable 'white list' of players to be shown on Omen2 |
23:53.31 | NeoTron | two other tanks died |
23:53.34 | Chompers | looong time |
23:53.35 | QuantumDelta | He has an agro knock back |
23:53.45 | QuantumDelta | just let him threat cap you |
23:53.54 | QuantumDelta | it gives your DPS such a huge room to destroy him |
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23:54.48 | QuantumDelta | Cuz you out TPS the other tanks on a DW boss ....AND you're the best person for having him for extended periods, you can DS twice/fight = ~5 minutes of control time if you're unlucky |
23:54.53 | NeoTron | knockback yes but it's like tanking VR - with a good enough tank you only need one |
23:55.10 | mytos | omen2 ?? |
23:55.23 | NeoTron | hmm DS would remove the debuffs ... good point |
23:55.35 | QuantumDelta | 4 minute cooldown |
23:55.36 | NeoTron | well I don't trust our pally tank to do that :P |
23:55.43 | QuantumDelta | well |
23:55.51 | NeoTron | still 4 minutes is a long time if you don't swap |
23:55.52 | QuantumDelta | ultimately a tank is only as good as it's player |
23:55.55 | QuantumDelta | regardless of the class ;\ |
23:56.09 | QuantumDelta | If your avoidance is high enough |
23:56.10 | NeoTron | fortunately our worse tank went DPS |
23:56.24 | QuantumDelta | you will last long enough debuff wise for his knock backs to bring you back inline with the other tanks |
23:56.26 | NeoTron | so do you ue reckoning? |
23:56.28 | NivFreak | NeoTron: are they bad DPS now? |
23:56.31 | QuantumDelta | god know :D |
23:56.36 | mytos | i dunno, ive had that situation backfire neotron |
23:56.44 | QuantumDelta | no** |
23:56.46 | NeoTron | NivFreak: it seems to vary. a lot. |
23:56.54 | QuantumDelta | Reck = Parry + Minimal threat :< |
23:56.56 | NeoTron | seems most pally tanks stop using ti due to the parry risk |
23:57.11 | NeoTron | with enough expertise parry shouldn't be a major issue? |
23:57.19 | QuantumDelta | Quite true |
23:57.33 | NivFreak | do pallys really stack expertise though? |
23:57.38 | QuantumDelta | but by the time you have that level of ExpR you don't get hit enough reliably to make reck worth 5 points ;\ |
23:57.43 | Diao | they have 10 expertise from talents |
23:57.45 | Diao | hey |
23:57.48 | Diao | for a kara level guild |
23:57.48 | NeoTron | well any tank benefits greatly from it |
23:57.55 | thul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krdL38jPCkw <- fun video (even though it is nto totally work safe) |
23:57.55 | Diao | should the pally get the spelldmg tanking belt or iron-tusk (warrior version) |
23:57.59 | Antiarc | All tanks should be prioritizing expertise. |
23:58.02 | NeoTron | parry burst DPS is still one of the major tank killing events |
23:58.09 | Antiarc | It increases threat and decreases your chance to parrygib yourself. |
23:58.14 | Antiarc | That's pretty frickin' awesome. |
23:58.16 | QuantumDelta | ExpR is a very powerful stat. |
23:58.19 | Diao | it's like |
23:58.21 | Yssaril | <--- first time on the ptr how do i get to the sunwell island? |
23:58.25 | NeoTron | and it's easy for a plate tank to stack it, horrible for leather tanks.. |
23:58.29 | NivFreak | how much of a pally's threat is white dmg though? |
23:58.29 | NeoTron | Yssaril: fly from IF |
23:58.35 | NeoTron | NivFreak: not too much |
23:58.35 | Diao | 23 spelldmg 18 spellhit 4 stam(bonus) vs |
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23:58.43 | NeoTron | but a hit also has a righteousness |
23:58.55 | Diao | 10 defense rating, 6 dodge rating, 3 dodge rating(bonus), 5 stam |
23:58.55 | NeoTron | and keeping vengeance up if you twiddle with that |
23:59.03 | QuantumDelta | NivFreak: the thing is (if you're alliance, human especially) |
23:59.04 | Antiarc | Even if you ignore the additional chance to hit, the chance to not parrygib yourself is worth its weight in gold |
23:59.10 | Diao | which is better? D: |
23:59.12 | p4p7d6j5y7e | PALLY DPS |
23:59.15 | Yssaril | NeoTron: will flying form silvermoon work? |
23:59.23 | QuantumDelta | ExpR+Hit = close to guaranteed hit chances = SoV maintainance + SoR uptime ;P |
23:59.27 | NeoTron | I'd expect so |
23:59.32 | NeoTron | but I haven't tried horde-side |
23:59.47 | QuantumDelta | I've pushed my threat up to 2.2k on Teron (*includes raid buffs and junk) |
23:59.50 | NeoTron | QuantumDelta: do you judge SoR too then? |
23:59.54 | QuantumDelta | 1.7k over the entire fight |
23:59.57 | QuantumDelta | nooo |