| 00:00.01 | chiper | cure poison and cure disease are friendly only, right? |
| 00:00.05 | NightHawkAtWork | yes |
| 00:00.08 | NivFreak | oh |
| 00:00.08 | NivFreak | I misread |
| 00:00.19 | chiper | ok |
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| 00:00.20 | NightHawkAtWork | the only thing you can offensively dispel is magic effects. |
| 00:00.22 | chiper | I assumed dispel was the same |
| 00:00.33 | NightHawkAtWork | (really, because you can't have a beneficial poison/curse/disease) |
| 00:00.40 | NivFreak | right |
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| 00:01.11 | chiper | heh, well, there are some poisons that can be beneficial |
| 00:01.21 | chiper | like that debuff the stingers in zangamarsh give |
| 00:01.43 | NightHawkAtWork | well, i should have qualified better, beneficial as in "buff", as opposed to "debuff" |
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| 00:02.11 | Chompers | elsia got svn access, horay |
| 00:02.12 | chiper | I cant remember exactly what it did, but I remember that for my hunter it was actually helpful |
| 00:02.20 | Chompers | no need to visit curse ever again |
| 00:02.29 | NightHawkAtWork | yeah, theres a few debuffs that, depending on your class, can have some beneficial effects |
| 00:02.40 | Kivin | :( I've still got a few things I need on Curse |
| 00:02.46 | NivFreak | yea |
| 00:02.49 | NivFreak | there's that on in karazhan |
| 00:02.50 | NivFreak | in the library |
| 00:03.02 | chiper | niv: yeah, I was just thinking of that one |
| 00:03.05 | NivFreak | our shadow priest likes to dispell it off the other casters |
| 00:03.09 | NivFreak | to pad his numbers |
| 00:03.12 | Chompers | i hope he adds a save function |
| 00:03.15 | NivFreak | so our lock gets his felhunter out |
| 00:03.17 | NivFreak | and eats it off him |
| 00:03.25 | Chompers | so i can output it to a htm file or something |
| 00:03.33 | NightHawkAtWork | there's one in the belf starting zone as well |
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| 00:06.36 | Wobwork | Hehe, does arcane shot still dispel ghostwolf? |
| 00:06.44 | Wobwork | It used to dispel druid forms =P |
| 00:06.47 | Kivin | Most likely |
| 00:09.11 | NightHawkAtWork | .. hmm, i never considered -that- Wobwork. that would suck. |
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| 00:12.25 | NeoTron | Wobwork: it will since ghost wolf is just a normal magic buff |
| 00:13.22 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: wtf, you broke GatherMate |
| 00:13.34 | JoshBorke | Message: ..\AddOns\GatherMate\Display.lua line 383: |
| 00:13.34 | JoshBorke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:18.52 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth * r58623 10mHud/mHud.lua: mHud: In SetManaColor, use the ManaBarColor table rather than hardcoding the colors. Simplifies the code, as well as setting the focus color for my pet to something other than blue :P |
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| 00:21.40 | Primer | I'm doing a re-spec as 66 holy priest, shooting for 23/38/0. Should I get Improved Divine Spirit first, or Empowered Healing first? |
| 00:22.26 | NivFreak | well |
| 00:22.30 | Primer | I have 3 points left to assign, that'll either get me all 3 Empowered Healing points now, or 1/2 Imp. Diving Spirit |
| 00:22.33 | NivFreak | it depends on what you're struggling with |
| 00:22.33 | Primer | or a combo |
| 00:22.40 | Primer | indecision |
| 00:22.47 | Primer | is what I'm struggling with |
| 00:22.48 | NivFreak | when I was < 70 |
| 00:22.57 | NivFreak | my biggest problem was longevity |
| 00:23.06 | NivFreak | oh wait |
| 00:23.07 | NivFreak | imp DS |
| 00:23.13 | NivFreak | go with empowered healing |
| 00:23.15 | Primer | I plan to do nothing but instances from here on |
| 00:23.33 | Primer | if I do that, I don't get DS until 68 |
| 00:23.45 | NivFreak | well spec for DS, just not im DS |
| 00:23.50 | NivFreak | not imp DS even |
| 00:24.10 | Primer | seems that most 70 holy priests do 23/38/0 |
| 00:24.38 | CIA-8 | 03kagaro * r58624 10/branches/GatherMate/ (Display.lua GatherMate.lua): fix for showHerb filter, and second check for GetMinimapShape so no errors during load |
| 00:25.20 | NivFreak | imp DS isn't going to be very useful for 5mans and sub-70 content |
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| 00:25.28 | NivFreak | your spirit probably sucks |
| 00:25.31 | NivFreak | and thiers will too |
| 00:25.42 | NivFreak | it's 10% increase based off thier spirit |
| 00:25.46 | Primer | right |
| 00:25.50 | NivFreak | sooo |
| 00:25.51 | NivFreak | in a 5 man |
| 00:25.57 | NivFreak | how many spirit based classes do you find? |
| 00:26.00 | NivFreak | if you're healing |
| 00:26.41 | Primer | good point |
| 00:26.59 | Primer | but wouldn't DS give me better regen? |
| 00:27.13 | NivFreak | you want DS |
| 00:27.16 | NivFreak | just not IMP DS |
| 00:27.31 | Primer | but IMP DS later, in 10 mans? |
| 00:27.45 | Primer | so perhaps a compromise at this point |
| 00:28.04 | Primer | 1 point in EMP Healing and the other 2 in Discipline, which gets me DS |
| 00:28.07 | NivFreak | personally |
| 00:28.11 | NivFreak | this is what I'd do |
| 00:28.13 | NivFreak | at 66 |
| 00:28.15 | NivFreak | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxG0uhhzZfxxcc0qVhz |
| 00:28.16 | Primer | then the next 2 to top off emp heal |
| 00:28.20 | NightHawkAtWork | imp ds really only seems useful for raiding, where you have buffed stats, higher gear levels, and are benefiting more than just ~2 people |
| 00:28.39 | NivFreak | then put your next two points in mental agility |
| 00:28.57 | NivFreak | at 68, you might wanna respec when you have PoM |
| 00:29.04 | NivFreak | and pickup healing prayers |
| 00:29.16 | NivFreak | and do 4/4 holy spec and 4/4 spiritual guidance |
| 00:29.57 | Primer | ok, I'll take that under advisement. Thanks |
| 00:30.58 | Primer | hrm, I was planning on only putting 1 point in Absolution, and 5 in Mental Agility |
| 00:31.08 | NivFreak | oh wait |
| 00:31.11 | NivFreak | skip abolution |
| 00:31.17 | NivFreak | that's a blend of my disc/holy spec |
| 00:31.18 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 00:31.33 | NivFreak | put 4 in silent resolve |
| 00:31.48 | alcaras | is there a way to force the mailbox to refresh? |
| 00:31.51 | NivFreak | this is my prefered holy spec at 70 |
| 00:31.53 | NivFreak | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxT0zhxzbZfLxccMaVhc |
| 00:32.00 | Primer | ok |
| 00:32.14 | NivFreak | for an imp DS build |
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| 00:35.00 | chiper | huh, undernet seems to have shat itself |
| 00:35.00 | NivFreak | I swap between that and a 44/17/0 disc build |
| 00:35.05 | NivFreak | for arena |
| 00:35.36 | ShenDK | NivFreak: i like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxT0zhxzbZfLxccMaVhc more |
| 00:35.42 | ShenDK | for the 10 |
| 00:35.51 | ShenDK | 10% extram mana |
| 00:36.58 | ShenDK | oops,' |
| 00:37.01 | ShenDK | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bxT0zhxtbZfLxccMRVh |
| 00:37.13 | chiper | so, do you guys think WotLK will see a total talant revision like BC did? |
| 00:37.27 | NivFreak | eh |
| 00:37.30 | chiper | I'm curious what they'll add for those 10 extra points |
| 00:37.32 | NightHawkAtWork | probably not |
| 00:37.35 | NivFreak | 10% extra mana isn't worth the lost healing IMO |
| 00:37.51 | NivFreak | but it depends on your gear level |
| 00:38.05 | ShenDK | chiper: doubtful.. but sine they added shat, they probably will give free repec |
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| 00:46.26 | kagaro | Stanzilla ping |
| 00:46.40 | Stanzilla | kagaro: pong |
| 00:47.03 | kagaro | Stanzilla Gathermate appears to be stable now update and let me know if you see anything funky |
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| 00:47.36 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 00:51.36 | Estil | wtb metal pad for ddr |
| 00:51.48 | chiper | people still play ddr? |
| 00:52.11 | Estil | I do it primarily to not to get too out of shape |
| 00:52.12 | Estil | D: |
| 00:52.18 | chiper | ah |
| 00:53.07 | chiper | I thought guitarhero had stolen away all the rhythm matching players |
| 00:53.23 | Estil | nah guitarhero won't help me get in decent shape |
| 00:54.18 | chiper | wii grabbed a lot of ddr players too. wii boxing is pretty tiring |
| 00:54.30 | Paene | ddr is teh win |
| 00:54.38 | Paene | my roommate made his own metal pad |
| 00:54.42 | chiper | I'd have a wii if I could find one :P |
| 00:54.47 | Estil | that's a big if |
| 00:54.53 | Estil | wii is sold out the moment it comes in I swear |
| 00:55.29 | chiper | you can get one off amazon if you're willing to pay double |
| 00:56.02 | Estil | true |
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| 00:56.35 | Stanzilla | kagaro: http://i7.tinypic.com/6sqxj5s.png it still gets the wrong size for the minimap :P |
| 00:56.36 | exor674 | lol... do not confuse seperate IRC channels haha |
| 00:56.59 | kagaro | you mean that one node on the outside? |
| 00:57.07 | Estil | when I play I tend to play to the point of my legs being unable to move |
| 00:57.09 | exor674 | I read someone about ordering wings online, I ask where and then I say "you can get (them) off amazon..." |
| 00:57.22 | exor674 | er, then I see... |
| 00:57.32 | chiper | hah |
| 00:57.37 | Stanzilla | kagaro: yup, and some items still flicker on the minimap |
| 00:57.42 | alcaras | yah i'd like one order of bbq wings, 520 main str, apt 501, ty |
| 00:57.49 | alcaras | oh wait, wrong channel |
| 00:57.59 | kagaro | hmm i dont get flicker when I was running around hellfire |
| 00:57.59 | alcaras | that was meant for #wowbbq |
| 00:58.12 | chiper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:58.33 | Estil | mmm pizza. |
| 00:58.36 | Stanzilla | kagaro: try it in elwynn |
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| 00:58.40 | Stanzilla | with the corn fields |
| 00:58.44 | kagaro | kk |
| 00:58.59 | kagaro | gota a meeting in 2 mins, ill try it once I get back |
| 00:59.16 | CIA-8 | 03kemayo * r58625 10BuyCrap/addon.lua: BuyCrap: Should have been "link" on 47. |
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| 01:00.42 | chiper | ok, time to go home |
| 01:02.26 | Stanzilla | kagaro: watch the video :P http://staneck.de/upload/files/gathermate.avi |
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| 01:03.10 | kagaro | ok thats nasty |
| 01:03.58 | Stanzilla | :) |
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| 01:07.14 | KarlThePagan | the gold limit stuff made me chuckle |
| 01:07.36 | KarlThePagan | a guild mate asked me if he went past the gold limit across multiple characters if his addons would screw up |
| 01:07.40 | KarlThePagan | so... I figured it out |
| 01:07.46 | KarlThePagan | AddOns could conceivably track your personal wealth across all of your characters on multiple accounts and servers accurately up to 2^52 (52-bit mantissa in the double-precision floats that lua uses). Assuming 50 characters per account that's 2^21 characters, or 41,944 accounts with the last account only having 2 characters. |
| 01:07.58 | KarlThePagan | This is the sum of 450,359,962,737g 4s 95c ... Four-hundred, fifty billion gold. All for the price of over $600,000 in subscription fees every month. |
| 01:08.09 | KarlThePagan | You could theoretically exceed this, but the precision would no longer be down to 1c. |
| 01:08.38 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 01:08.54 | KarlThePagan | I DARE YOU! hahahaah |
| 01:09.18 | Kivin | what's this "Gold limit" |
| 01:09.25 | KarlThePagan | 2^31 - 1 |
| 01:09.25 | Stanzilla | 214k |
| 01:09.29 | KarlThePagan | copper that is |
| 01:09.35 | KarlThePagan | 214k gold |
| 01:09.57 | KarlThePagan | gosh only 43 epic flying mounts QQ |
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| 01:11.47 | Paene | KarlThePagan: You have way too much time on your hands |
| 01:12.13 | KarlThePagan | fortunately for my employer that didn't take much more than a minute :P |
| 01:12.25 | Paene | lol |
| 01:12.56 | Paene | would've taken me prob 5-10, just cuz I didn't know what size lua's vars are |
| 01:13.19 | KarlThePagan | yea I had to check, a quik trip to lua.org -> documentation |
| 01:13.31 | KarlThePagan | then a trip to wikipedia to check the mantissa and max value of double |
| 01:14.07 | KarlThePagan | then "/print 1.7*10^308,1.7*10^310" in game to make sure that really was the internal storage type |
| 01:14.22 | Paene | lol |
| 01:14.44 | Estil | wish I coudl even have 10% of that gold |
| 01:14.49 | KarlThePagan | ditto |
| 01:14.50 | Estil | no I'll even be happy with 5% |
| 01:14.53 | Estil | or 1% |
| 01:15.03 | Stanzilla | I broke GatherMate :( |
| 01:15.07 | Paene | I'd be happy with any free gold :) |
| 01:16.31 | NeoTron | man I'm almost theer. think I will be like 6k if stuff on the ah sells! |
| 01:16.37 | NeoTron | just 208k gold to g! |
| 01:16.56 | Estil | lol |
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| 01:25.34 | aestil | wtb Ellipsis |
| 01:25.51 | Stanzilla | ...sleeping she is </yoda> |
| 01:26.16 | aestil | is anyone else in love with their ps3? |
| 01:26.23 | aestil | i can't believe how great a product it is. |
| 01:26.27 | Stanzilla | playstation? |
| 01:26.51 | aestil | although, admitedly, i only have 1 game for it, and i'm m ore interested in its home theater PC + BD type stuff. |
| 01:27.54 | aestil | i d/led the terminator tv show, and sent it over to the PS3 wirelessly, and then watched it on my 60" tv. |
| 01:28.03 | ckknight | aestil: Ellipsis is taking a nap |
| 01:28.07 | aestil | what i'm kinda pissed about right now, is that I don't have a DVD-R |
| 01:28.22 | aestil | ckknight: will you make it so that autobar doesn't break my eepanels2 scripts? |
| 01:28.35 | ckknight | no, I'm working on a microbiological simulation program |
| 01:28.36 | ckknight | bit busy |
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| 01:30.03 | aestil | i figured. |
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| 01:37.34 | CIA-8 | 03jncl * r58626 10Skinner/AddonSkins/Quartz.lua: Skinner: BugFix for Quartz skin |
| 01:38.07 | fridgid | anybody got tips for cross server guild shopping? my current raid group sucks and i'm looking for a new one, basically just wanna know any tips on how to not end up xferign to a realm you hate or find out the guilds full of assholes etc |
| 01:38.49 | NeoTron | aestil: heh I missed the pilot episodes as well and downloaded them |
| 01:38.52 | NeoTron | haven't watched them yet though |
| 01:39.10 | NeoTron | I might convert and transfer to my tivo instead.. or perhaps burn to a dvd |
| 01:39.29 | NeoTron | wonder if my dvd player(s) handle whatever codec it is in |
| 01:41.39 | ulic | ckknight: I think I've got a pretty solid ReadyCheckIcon module for PitBull, but I want to do some good testing in Kara this weekend. Once I'm satified that it works well, would you like me just check it in, or send you a diff of the metalayout, and the new files? |
| 01:42.00 | ckknight | um, get one other person to vouch for you |
| 01:42.08 | ckknight | after that, you can check it in |
| 01:42.13 | ulic | 10-4 |
| 01:42.43 | ckknight | ulic: it's all about a network of trust, pretty much |
| 01:43.13 | ckknight | I can essentially eliminate the work I might do by having a self-regulating network |
| 01:43.25 | ckknight | (not that I'm lazy, I'm busy) |
| 01:43.42 | ulic | yep, but it is nonetheless your creation, so I try to treat it with respect. |
| 01:44.14 | ulic | cuase if I break it you take the blame initially and yell at me later :) |
| 01:44.32 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:45.28 | ckknight | but by having the network where people can vouch for the product, even if I don't know them personally, it severely reduces the possibility of accidental errors |
| 01:45.31 | alcaras | anyone know a way to get aloft to display class colors for hostiles, but just go deep blue for friendlies? |
| 01:45.56 | CIA-8 | 03aznamir * r58627 10PallyPower/PallyPower.lua: |
| 01:45.56 | CIA-8 | PallyPower: |
| 01:45.56 | CIA-8 | - All issues with special buffs should be resolved. Tested everything, looks good to go. |
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| 01:48.15 | NeoTron | we recruited a l34 shaman for our raiding force recenly |
| 01:48.18 | Ellipsis | aestil: hai2u |
| 01:48.24 | NeoTron | like less than 2 weeks ago I think. He's l59 now |
| 01:48.47 | NeoTron | or rather we recruited the player... he has a BT-level priest (but we don't need priests) |
| 01:49.32 | exor674 | ... I read that as "we recruited 134 ..." |
| 01:49.33 | exor674 | w 12 |
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| 01:58.26 | aestil | NeoTron: divx |
| 01:58.35 | aestil | Ellipsis: herro, should i give up on autobar? |
| 01:58.56 | Ellipsis | *shrug* you seem to be in love with it, so that's a hard decision to make |
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| 02:00.22 | aestil | i am in love with it, but... there seems to be no alternative. there is no other mod that does what autobar does as far as i can tell. |
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| 02:02.07 | Ellipsis | well, PT3Bar is often suggested as an alternative, but that relies on a lot of things |
| 02:02.15 | Ellipsis | one, that you're willing to put some time and effort into setting it up |
| 02:02.25 | Ellipsis | and two, that PT actually stays updated and accurate |
| 02:02.33 | Ellipsis | (which in my experience isn't so true) |
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| 02:11.50 | dead | hey all |
| 02:13.10 | dead | i think its called FuBar. I'm not sure. I am looking for an addon that displays quest level, as well as coordinates on the world map, not minimap |
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| 02:13.53 | chiper | that's not fubar |
| 02:14.08 | dead | lol that is what i said |
| 02:14.08 | chiper | there's lots of quest mods, my preference is UberQuests |
| 02:14.10 | Ellipsis | dead: Minimalist, perhaps? |
| 02:14.19 | dead | im not sure |
| 02:14.36 | dead | i cant tell because there are no screenshots |
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| 02:14.53 | Ellipsis | well then download and try it :) |
| 02:14.56 | chiper | cartographer, diMapCoords, CT_MapMod, and many others will give you coordinates |
| 02:16.59 | Thrae|Work | dead: LightHeaded + TomTom |
| 02:18.08 | Thrae|Work | LightHeaded has full quest info from wowhead, and TomTom handles putting coordinates on the world map and showing an optional waypoint. Both made by cladhaire. |
| 02:18.42 | dead | what is a waypoint |
| 02:18.43 | chiper | lightheaded may be a lot more then what he wants |
| 02:19.00 | chiper | a point aways off that you're after |
| 02:19.20 | chiper | like when you die, the arrow that points at your body |
| 02:19.41 | Ellipsis | but what do any of those have to do with simple quest levels and map coords |
| 02:19.59 | chiper | Ellipsis: like I said, it's way more than what he wants |
| 02:20.03 | sag_ich_nicht | and now for something completely different, be sure to listen completely, and don't skip, as the video is kinda buggy with skipping: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yp8hR3p5UC0 |
| 02:21.49 | chiper | ah, good song |
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| 02:23.21 | chiper | alas it is not on amazon mp3 downloads |
| 02:23.37 | chiper | might have to rip it from the flv |
| 02:23.48 | Kivin | Anyone know if Tortoise has a command-line interpreter |
| 02:24.45 | Kivin | Or perhaps the correct question I should ask is, what command-line svn client do people use? |
| 02:26.07 | sag_ich_nicht | svn |
| 02:26.07 | sag_ich_nicht | duh! |
| 02:26.15 | sag_ich_nicht | ~svn |
| 02:26.16 | purl | Subversion (aka SVN) is version control software that aims to be a better CVS than CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/. |
| 02:28.04 | Thrae|Work | Kivin: Tortoise is a modification of the official svn client for Windows integration. |
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| 02:29.12 | Kivin | Thrae: Wonderful... should I be getting the svn client if i want to process commandline stuff? |
| 02:29.29 | CIA-8 | 03aznamir * r58628 10PallyPower/PallyPower.lua: |
| 02:29.29 | CIA-8 | PallyPower: |
| 02:29.29 | CIA-8 | - forgot to comment stupid debug, argh! |
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| 02:29.35 | Thrae|Work | Kivin: Yes. It even uses the same configuration file as Tortoise. |
| 02:29.40 | Kivin | thanks |
| 02:30.15 | Kivin | oh great, all svn error messages are coming up in Japanese. |
| 02:30.41 | dead | Cartographer rocks! It even displays coordinates |
| 02:30.44 | dead | :) |
| 02:31.03 | dead | Still havent found the quest level one |
| 02:31.08 | dead | [xx] |
| 02:31.09 | chiper | uhh, hmm. the msbt copy I downloaded off wowi seems to be borked |
| 02:31.20 | Kivin | borked how? |
| 02:31.26 | chiper | the last three config panels are blank |
| 02:31.42 | Kivin | erm |
| 02:32.17 | chiper | I also dont see any options for controlling where the scroll panes are |
| 02:32.17 | Kivin | there's three addon folders, did you copy them all? |
| 02:32.21 | chiper | yes |
| 02:32.28 | Kivin | dunno what to say, then |
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| 02:33.07 | Kivin | well fuck me... i think i'm going to have to change my languge settings to get svn working |
| 02:33.28 | chiper | ah, a ui reload fixed it |
| 02:34.40 | Kivin | "You must restart your computer for these changes to take effect." *sigh* |
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| 02:37.54 | Kivin | there we go. english command prompt -.- |
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| 02:39.57 | dead | So which one is it does anyone know. sorry. i was afk from chat. |
| 02:42.47 | dead | nvm found it |
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| 03:01.45 | RaydenU | http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=27757 |
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| 03:38.54 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.13 | buu | NO. |
| 03:39.15 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 03:39.25 | buu | You heard me. |
| 03:39.27 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 03:39.38 | Arrowmaster | did i say something before buu |
| 03:39.48 | sag_ich_nicht | 1. VanasKoS is tainting the friendsframe 2. where is the author of it so that i may hang him |
| 03:40.07 | sag_ich_nicht | 3. suggestions for a different KoS addon? |
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| 03:41.17 | kagaro | Stanzilla: ping |
| 03:41.19 | CIA-8 | 03kagaro * r58629 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: throttled the db scan to 3 secs, im not seeing any corn field flicking now |
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| 03:56.35 | Aens|Superiority | hum. recount needs an option to disregard or not parse old logs |
| 03:56.48 | Aens|Superiority | it adds like 5 minutes to my load time if i forget to delete all data before logging off |
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| 04:17.46 | kebinusan | hm, first night in a long time we havent had akama bug out in the first two pulls |
| 04:20.06 | Ellipsis | sigh...I'm out of badge rewards that are upgrades |
| 04:20.10 | Ellipsis | what do I do now? :( |
| 04:20.46 | Kivin | Find better badges |
| 04:21.10 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 04:21.28 | sag_ich_nicht | question is RaidFrame:Hide() be protected normally while in combat? |
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| 04:24.38 | bigz | anyone ever had a problem with vlc where the dvd is choppy if started with menus, but plays fine if you start it as simple DVD? |
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| 04:44.44 | Estil | interesting |
| 04:44.52 | Estil | all the "popular" 2v2/3v3 classes are getting a nerf |
| 04:44.55 | Estil | but warrior has not gotten any |
| 04:50.07 | Gngsk | interesting |
| 04:50.19 | Ellipsis | getting a nerf when? |
| 04:50.26 | Gngsk | getting or got a nerf |
| 04:50.55 | Kivin | So... how do i make svn:keywords take effect on an existing file in my working copy without deleting the file and recommiting it |
| 04:51.15 | Estil | I think Warlocks are gonna get another nerf or two in 2.4 |
| 04:51.19 | Estil | Druid is likely to get nerf too |
| 04:51.32 | Kivin | The lifebloom nerf has made me a very happy panda |
| 04:51.37 | Gngsk | isn't it true that the head of the blizz class balance plays a warrior? so naturally he'd think warriors are fine. |
| 04:51.40 | Kivin | Druids are no longer invincible |
| 04:51.43 | Estil | Proximo is KAlgan's warrior |
| 04:51.50 | Ellipsis | lifebloom nerf what now? |
| 04:51.51 | Estil | (check out the description on S2 sword) |
| 04:51.59 | Kivin | Ellipsis: perhaps "fix" is a better word |
| 04:52.46 | Kivin | Estil: Proximo is a reference to the movie, Gladiator |
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| 04:56.38 | ckknight | anyone want to give constructive criticism wrt my blog posts? |
| 04:56.54 | Estil | nah Kivin, Kalgan's warrior is named Proximo |
| 04:57.02 | Estil | it's already proven |
| 04:57.16 | Estil | Tauren male warrior, but he quit playing it after the fact got out that Kalgan plays that |
| 04:57.23 | Estil | dunno what he plays now |
| 04:57.32 | Lukian | Kivin, fix line 3, kthx |
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| 05:09.40 | Estil | pokes are dangerous. |
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| 05:13.56 | Culkey | would it be inappropriate to ask help with certain addon here? =) |
| 05:14.06 | ckknight | no, fully appropriate |
| 05:15.12 | Culkey | I was wondering why Visor2 won't save my DebuffButton1 location, works fine with Buffbuttons |
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| 05:18.31 | Culkey | when I log in and use /visor2 set DebuffButton1 it gives The frame [Unknown] is not a valid UI frame. But if I tag the button it works after that. |
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| 05:20.49 | Kivin | Lukian: Line 3 of what? |
| 05:21.09 | Lukian | Kivin, see PM or search kivinspamguard in your buffer :p |
| 05:21.51 | Kivin | oh, i didn't realize i had a PM. I get them so rarely that i actually move my irc client so they go offscreen. sorry. |
| 05:22.13 | Kivin | did you do a complete client restart after your last WAU update of spamguard? |
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| 05:23.04 | CIA-8 | 03scorpion * r58631 10Cryolysis2/Locales/ (Locale-zhCN.lua Locale-zhTW.lua): |
| 05:23.04 | CIA-8 | Cryolysis2: |
| 05:23.04 | CIA-8 | - Fixed zhTW & zhCN localization |
| 05:23.19 | Kivin | oh shit, source control for the win. I didn't commit the new lua file on the live branch |
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| 05:27.24 | CIA-8 | KivinSpamGuard: Added missing file. |
| 05:27.24 | CIA-8 | Added additional filter patterns. |
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| 05:31.17 | Estil | poking too much can cause people to explode |
| 05:32.06 | Estil | I didn't do it! |
| 05:32.33 | Gngsk | anyone tried fpsbrain medecine? |
| 05:33.07 | Kivin | Is there a way in SVN to merge two working copies? basically, i want to merge my googlecode copy into my wowace svn copy |
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| 05:45.02 | Kivin | Anyone here that's fairly learned with SVN |
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| 05:57.35 | sag_ich_nicht | okay what the hell |
| 05:57.38 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan are you there? |
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| 06:13.48 | sag_ich_nicht | found something you might be interested in, seems EngBags and a few other addons are managing to break the Blizz Raid UI dropdown menu so that promote to MA/MT don't appear anymore. i don't know how this happens, but it shouldn't be possible, and since it is, blizz should probably get this fixed, now i don't know how this happens, so i'd appreciate it if you'd care to take a look :) |
| 06:13.55 | sag_ich_nicht | DL link for engbags: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3280/ |
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| 06:34.03 | fridgid | yay juno |
| 06:34.09 | fridgid | i can see it again xD |
| 06:42.17 | Fin | does anyone know if there are Horde TourGuides for Netherstorm and Shadowmoon Valley? |
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| 06:47.17 | bigzero | sag_ich_nicht, blizz should also fix the "Target" option in chat dropdown menus.. i really miss it, but can't have it with Prat tainting those menus :-( |
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| 06:50.35 | Fin | chat dropdown menus? |
| 06:50.47 | bigzero | right-click on name |
| 06:50.49 | Fin | ohh, the right click ones for chat frames |
| 06:50.53 | Fin | ah, heh |
| 06:51.08 | bigzero | Fin, btw regarding Mirror... you're evil |
| 06:51.26 | Fin | offhand I can only think of one module that actually should be tainting them, have you tried disabling all modules to see if it's in the core or not? |
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| 06:51.36 | Fin | I am? oh I do apologise, sorry |
| 06:51.51 | Fin | I thought it was a fairly small but useful feature request... has it turned out more complicated than that? |
| 06:52.04 | bigzero | Fin, i think i checked a while back. it's probably copy text thing |
| 06:52.39 | bigzero | yeah, Mirror like quadrupled in size and i'm stil not done.. the itemRef tooltips still don't work right |
| 06:52.48 | Fin | oh dear oh dear |
| 06:53.02 | bigzero | i'm currently looking at a better way of doing it, but idk |
| 06:53.15 | Fin | well maybe you should consider not implementing the feature... |
| 06:53.18 | bigzero | i'll probably branch that version as a Fin special |
| 06:53.33 | Fin | although I *do* think it 100% makes sense |
| 06:53.53 | bigzero | perhaps |
| 06:54.07 | bigzero | doesn't equipcompare offer hover tooltips? |
| 06:54.11 | bigzero | or eqcompare? |
| 06:54.12 | Fin | you just don't need that information visible for comparison most of the time you're dealing with items, so basically a lot of the time your screen is being covered up by something that shouldn't be there |
| 06:54.22 | Fin | not that I know of |
| 06:54.52 | bigzero | well, i know one of them allows you to change the modifier key that you use when comparing |
| 06:55.00 | Fin | I haven't tried EQCompare recently, but I don't think it supports the modifier-key thing, or at least didn't use to |
| 06:55.22 | Fin | I think that must be EquipCompare, although hmm |
| 06:55.39 | Fin | it also has some option to choose a character to compare against, if you've got CharacterProfiler installed |
| 06:55.46 | bigzero | alright, Fin, I'll finish the changes and branch it.. i'll let you know when it's done |
| 06:55.48 | Fin | very very cool feature that, but I've never used it |
| 06:55.57 | Fin | fair enough, and, thanks! |
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| 06:57.19 | Fin | "Syncing Ally and Horde Netherstorm guides" <- from the TourGuide changelogs - hooray! |
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| 06:59.42 | kadrahil | asdf |
| 07:00.45 | Fin | ghjkl |
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| 07:02.53 | exor674 | qwerty! |
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| 07:04.48 | Orionshock | vhaarr: ping, questions bout NRT |
| 07:05.10 | bigzero | my taint log says Possessions is tainting LFGQuery()...there's no way that's true |
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| 07:06.47 | Fin | have you checked? :) |
| 07:06.48 | Dezzimal | I'm definitely 5 years old so I have to laugh at "taint log" |
| 07:07.12 | Fin | I don't get it :( |
| 07:07.18 | Kivin | Neither do i |
| 07:07.32 | Fin | is it "log"? |
| 07:07.38 | Fin | log could be funny if it wasn't used so much |
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| 07:18.36 | Orionshock | ... question to channel: any one know of a DKP / Raid / Attendance tracker that gobs the entire raid into one event? |
| 07:22.10 | Fin | wow, does Warmup still do anything? |
| 07:22.18 | Fin | Dezzimal: are you not going to hexplain? |
| 07:22.45 | Ellipsis | warmup works fine |
| 07:23.02 | Fin | attendance tracker that gobs the entire raid into one event..? I no comprende |
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| 07:24.18 | Fin | ahaa |
| 07:24.30 | Fin | intersting |
| 07:24.31 | Fin | +e |
| 07:24.55 | Orionshock | or one that can sync up CT raid tracker between clients |
| 07:25.38 | Fin | r> |
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| 07:27.55 | Fin | apparently so! I shall cry |
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| 07:28.33 | bigzero | lol |
| 07:28.55 | Fin | wow, CCUI is quite something: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8051-CCUI.html |
| 07:29.15 | Kivin | yuck |
| 07:29.25 | Fin | I just don't think I could use that font for very long without wanting to kill something in real life: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full10976.jpg |
| 07:29.27 | bigzero | Kivin, i was thinking the same thing |
| 07:29.47 | bigzero | omg |
| 07:29.53 | Kivin | my god... the colours... the font, it's horrible |
| 07:29.54 | bigzero | eyes bleeding |
| 07:30.14 | Fin | quickly! go to apple.com! |
| 07:30.21 | bigzero | i am looking for a very nice tanking ui |
| 07:30.44 | Kivin | http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/43/wowscrnshot110707024930zs5.jpg <- that's my masterpiece |
| 07:31.13 | Ellipsis | it sucks! and is made of lose and fail and you're bad at life! |
| 07:31.18 | Kivin | D:! |
| 07:31.27 | *** part/#wowace Kivin (n=Kivin@bas1-kingston08-1088740997.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 07:31.29 | Ellipsis | sorry, I just wanted to get that out of the way before someone else got to it |
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| 07:31.40 | bigzero | haha |
| 07:31.49 | Orionshock | Fin i don't have you on ignore |
| 07:31.56 | bigzero | Kivin, your tooltip font is kinda ugly imo |
| 07:31.56 | Orionshock | i was simply afk |
| 07:32.09 | bigzero | Orionshock, way to ruin it |
| 07:32.25 | Kivin | bigzero: was before i could figure out how to sharemedia the same font i was using in chat, it got changed later |
| 07:32.27 | Orionshock | ya bigzero your tt font is ugly, change it :P |
| 07:33.06 | Kivin | wtb a pet that doesn't need food and never gets cranky |
| 07:33.16 | Kivin | maybe, a giant, mechanical mecha-squirrel |
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| 07:33.34 | vithos | i like my wind serpent; it eats mage food |
| 07:33.42 | Kivin | heh |
| 07:33.51 | Kivin | i don't want a flappy pet |
| 07:34.23 | vithos | it's also the highest dps pet |
| 07:34.25 | Ellipsis | o.o |
| 07:34.30 | bigzero | Kivin, you still use recap? Is it still maintained? last time i checked last update was like a year ago, but i haven't checked in a while |
| 07:34.35 | Ellipsis | Kivin: reroll lock imo :P |
| 07:34.56 | Kivin | no, it isn't |
| 07:35.08 | Kivin | bigzero: Recap is like and kicking, and being regularly updated |
| 07:35.19 | Kivin | vithos: Windserpent = +7% DPS, Cat = +10% |
| 07:35.31 | bigzero | hmm, nice. I'll check it out again |
| 07:35.49 | vithos | Kivin: different abilities :P |
| 07:35.52 | Kivin | Ellipsis: I rolled warlock twice. deleted my 34 human and my 17 elf |
| 07:35.53 | Fin | Orionshock: hooray! |
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| 07:36.38 | Ellipsis | Kivin: then you must like having a needy pet |
| 07:36.41 | vithos | Lightning Breath > * |
| 07:36.44 | Ellipsis | ouch bigzero, ouch :( |
| 07:36.51 | bigzero | :-P |
| 07:36.54 | Kivin | vithos: You'll have a difficult time selling me on the idea that Lightning breath does more dps than claw |
| 07:37.57 | Fin | ooh! you know he's mad when he gets out the SPREADSHEET |
| 07:38.07 | Fin | seriously though send me a copy? fin@instinct.org? :) |
| 07:38.19 | Kivin | claw = 2.60 damage per focus, lightning breath = 2.32 |
| 07:38.59 | Fin | hello Tekkub! I was just about to check, but perhaps you'd be kind enough to answer here or me instead - is there a Horde TourGuide for Shadowmoon Valley? |
| 07:39.07 | vithos | LB max dps 110.98 @ 33.33 focus/sec, claw max dps 64.46 @ 16.67 focus/sec |
| 07:39.10 | Tekkub | yes |
| 07:39.13 | Fin | the old wiki page had a little bar thingy I could check, but I can't find it on your new site |
| 07:39.18 | Fin | btw, did you design the site yourself? |
| 07:39.18 | vithos | that would be, if a wind serpent could use claw |
| 07:39.25 | Tekkub | it's not playtested completely though |
| 07:39.29 | Fin | and finally, jesus about bloody time tekkub.net appeared |
| 07:39.33 | Kivin | vithos: frankly, your spreadsheet is screwed |
| 07:39.42 | Tekkub | the bar's gone because the guides are all there now |
| 07:39.43 | vithos | but my wind serpent is 539.01 dps, let me switch to a cat |
| 07:39.45 | Kivin | my pet exhausts all available focus on claw |
| 07:39.51 | Fin | well I've got the snapshot, so I'll follow the feedback destructions from your site |
| 07:40.00 | Tekkub | and no I ripped it off from google's page hosting and cleaned it up a bit |
| 07:40.03 | vithos | a cat would be 513.47 dps |
| 07:40.15 | Fin | bigzero: honestly I don't think I'd notice any difference, apparently EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD has subscribed me to some spam also |
| 07:40.18 | Kivin | the only way lightning breath, which occupies twice as much focus/sec, could do more dps is if your cat can't keep up with focus |
| 07:40.29 | Tekkub | the horde outland guides are mostly synced with the ally ones |
| 07:41.01 | Ellipsis | maybe you'll notice and appreciate that! |
| 07:41.01 | Tekkub | but I only tested about a 5th of the ally shadowmoon |
| 07:41.01 | Tekkub | and there may be questname typos |
| 07:41.01 | vithos | Kivin: crits add 50 focus, what happens when a steady and auto crit .5 seconds apart? |
| 07:41.02 | Fin | please elaborate on "extra special spam", Elli |
| 07:41.07 | Tekkub | furry porn spam |
| 07:41.08 | Ellipsis | you'd like that wouldn't you! |
| 07:41.26 | Kivin | vithos: Claw eats focus up like crazy |
| 07:41.44 | Kivin | energy |
| 07:41.45 | vithos | not as fast as LB does |
| 07:41.53 | Fin | tekkub.net is lovely to look at, regardless of where you ripped it off from, nicely done |
| 07:42.07 | Tekkub | ^^ like them dark themes |
| 07:42.25 | vithos | a cat's claw does 99.41 damage for 25 focus, a wind serpent's LB does 166.48 damage for 50 |
| 07:42.43 | Fin | ~purl 166.48 / 2 |
| 07:42.44 | purl | 83.24 |
| 07:42.46 | Tekkub | ace forums need a dark theme |
| 07:43.07 | bigzero | Tekkub, i thought you switched to git |
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| 07:43.13 | Fin | ace forums need *something* |
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| 07:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ace forms need to not suck |
| 07:43.29 | Tekkub | tekkub.net isn't a repo |
| 07:43.34 | vithos | and i have a 39.02% crit rate. it's all about not letting focus gains get wasted |
| 07:43.36 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE not a repo |
| 07:43.39 | Fin | if I ever run a forum again, I'm really going to make sure it's kept up to date with the latest versions |
| 07:43.42 | Tekkub | kergy hosts my upstream repo mirrors |
| 07:43.42 | Fin | it's funny |
| 07:43.43 | bigzero | Tekkub, i know, but you keep linking to google svn |
| 07:43.47 | Fin | for an addon site, it doesn't use many SMF addons |
| 07:43.56 | Kivin | while there's people here: i'm using googlecode for bleeding edge changes to my addons and the wowace repo for deploying them. is there an easy way to do an svn copy/merge from one repo to another? |
| 07:44.00 | Tekkub | I do? where? |
| 07:44.09 | vithos | but also, ravagers are higher dps than cats |
| 07:44.20 | bigzero | Tekkub, from your front page.. |
| 07:44.40 | Fin | what would you suggest? |
| 07:44.47 | Tekkub | oh yea need to update that one |
| 07:44.49 | Fin | it's the best forum I know of |
| 07:44.53 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 07:45.07 | Fin | honestly? I'm not asking to try and prove SMF best or anything |
| 07:45.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i really havn't seen any forum I particularly like, or rate above any other |
| 07:45.12 | Tekkub | well... SMF > whatever we had before |
| 07:45.13 | Fin | it's just I don't know of anything better |
| 07:45.16 | bigzero | hehe, Tekkub, at least you state right there that we shouldn't expect many updates on the page |
| 07:45.38 | NightHawkTheSane | to be honest, i'd put smv, phpbb, and punbb at about similar levels of quality, at least as far as free forum software goes |
| 07:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | er, smf |
| 07:46.01 | Tekkub | I'm trying to force myself into getting 1-2 more addons pushed out as beta and listed in the index there each week |
| 07:46.09 | Tekkub | but it's not worknig well |
| 07:46.19 | NightHawkTheSane | phpbb3 actually looks rather nice, but I haven't given it a very close look |
| 07:46.38 | bigzero | Tekkub, how can you plan for 1-2 addons each week? you have to run out of ideas at some point... |
| 07:46.40 | vithos | Kivin: with GFtT, 1.05 shots per second and a 39.02% crit rate in raids is 82.08 focus per 4 seconds + the base 24 + bestial discipline's 24 works out to 32.52 focus/sec |
| 07:46.44 | Fin | Orionshock: uhm so... the reason I thought you had me on ignore was because you ignored - or didn't catch me saying I didn't understand what you meant by an attendance tracker that "gobs the entire raid into one event" |
| 07:46.46 | NightHawkTheSane | and, i can't stop mocking it for rivaling debian3 in terms of development time |
| 07:46.55 | Tekkub | EXISTING addons I never released even as beta |
| 07:47.09 | Tekkub | you seen how many addons I have currently? |
| 07:47.13 | vithos | so even in a world where crits are evenly spaced, claw can't keep up. crits near each other just make the problem worse |
| 07:47.23 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane, I've trid all three, and SMF was far and away the nicest from a lot of aspects |
| 07:47.30 | bigzero | Tekkub, last i checked you had like 6, but that was a while back |
| 07:47.36 | Fin | on the surface they might seem almost identical but underneath there was a huge difference |
| 07:47.53 | Tekkub | you're funny... 6 addons would have been... uh... 3 years ago? |
| 07:47.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: out of curiosity, are you comparing smf to phpbb3 or 2? as there's a fairly significant difference between the two |
| 07:48.06 | Fin | 2 |
| 07:48.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, check out three |
| 07:48.14 | bigzero | Tekkub, lol, maybe...though that's what i remember seeing on the google svn |
| 07:48.15 | Tekkub | at one point a tenth of the AceSVN was my shit |
| 07:48.17 | Fin | is it usable? |
| 07:48.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not saying it WILL be better, but it is very different |
| 07:48.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 07:48.26 | Fin | ye gods |
| 07:48.31 | Fin | judgement day has arrived |
| 07:48.33 | NightHawkTheSane | if they havn't done a release yyet, it's at least at some RC candidate |
| 07:48.37 | Fin | ahhh |
| 07:48.42 | Fin | well, hmm |
| 07:48.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i know, right. I'm telling you, rivaling debian3 for total time in development ;) |
| 07:48.49 | Tekkub | the gcode SVN was moved over bit by bit from the Ace SVN |
| 07:48.49 | Fin | I'll have a look though, thanks for the tip |
| 07:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway, afk, more vashj |
| 07:49.17 | Fin | hey I have a quetsion that I'm hoping someone here might be able to answer |
| 07:49.20 | Fin | so you know what? |
| 07:49.29 | Fin | I'm going to gosh well darnit, ask |
| 07:49.35 | NightHawkTheSane | you go, girl. |
| 07:49.40 | Orionshock | Fin our guild site uses "Rapid Raid" for dkp/attendance tracking. well we don't use dkp.. and the way the system works is that everything is an event with in an event.. and it trackes attendance by this "Inner" event witch translates to boss kills... |
| 07:50.05 | Orionshock | meh - im prolly better off writing my own addon that does all this, or one that merges / syncs CTRaid Tracker |
| 07:50.06 | Fin | does anyone with two monitors using different resolutions know of a way to have two copies of WoW running, one on each monitor, and not have to reset the resolution each time? |
| 07:50.39 | Fin | Orionshock: so you just want a plain vanilla raid attendance tracker? |
| 07:51.01 | Fin | (not sure if it's still being maintained, but I can dig it out if that's what you're looking for) |
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| 07:52.43 | Orionshock | sure fin |
| 07:52.59 | Fin | kk |
| 07:54.12 | Fin | ooh |
| 07:54.15 | Fin | looks like it's current |
| 07:54.21 | Fin | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3287/ was the addon I used |
| 07:54.27 | Fin | EkRaidAttendance |
| 07:54.49 | Fin | it may have changed, but at the time, it was a simple way of seeing who was at what raids for how long |
| 07:54.55 | Fin | dead handy |
| 07:55.02 | Fin | and no fancy bits |
| 07:55.44 | Fin | this was a while ago, though |
| 07:55.54 | Fin | wait shit, a big long while ago |
| 07:56.09 | Fin | hope it's still useful |
| 07:56.12 | Fin | DOMINATION! |
| 07:56.32 | Kerafyrm | ... |
| 07:58.10 | Orionshock | Elkano: is that one of your addons? "EkRaidAttendance" |
| 07:58.23 | bigzero | tekkub, "alt-clicking items in your bag to attach and send immediately, and auto-send on 12 attachments." (from PriorityMail) How do you get to 12 attachments if you're autosending them when attaching? |
| 07:58.56 | Tekkub | you don't autosend |
| 07:59.08 | Tekkub | you right click like everyone else |
| 07:59.17 | Tekkub | it'll auto-send it if you put 12 items in |
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| 07:59.31 | bigzero | oh, right...i forgot about the right-click way of attaching |
| 07:59.42 | bigzero | that's why it didn't make sense :-) |
| 08:00.27 | Fin | Orionshock: "project manager" is "Dargen" apparently |
| 08:00.48 | Fin | ooh and hey, "If you have the CT_RaidAssist addon installed, then EkRaidAttend can record the names of the people in the /raresist, /raitem, and /radur windows." |
| 08:00.52 | Fin | that sounds neat |
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| 08:04.35 | Fin | woohoo! |
| 08:04.48 | Fin | that shouldn't take long to check AT ALL oh golly I'm so glad I'm me |
| 08:06.34 | Orionshock | URG! i wants to shank my GM or start a new guild... |
| 08:06.38 | Orionshock | -.- |
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| 08:07.20 | bigzero | shank him |
| 08:07.29 | NightHawkTheSane | im going to have to go with the shanking, as well |
| 08:07.37 | Kivin | starting new guilds = bad idea |
| 08:07.53 | Orionshock | i could totaly make a new guild and totally cripple the guild for months. |
| 08:07.54 | Fin | what's he done, Orionshock? |
| 08:08.03 | Fin | not necessarily, Kivin! just very likely |
| 08:08.16 | Orionshock | i'd take several healers, some main dps and some of the bigger names in tanks |
| 08:08.29 | bigzero | take me too |
| 08:08.31 | Orionshock | we'd almost have a full gruul's raid -.O |
| 08:08.33 | bigzero | i'll go |
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| 08:08.59 | Orionshock | he has failed misrably at understanding that "no-DKP" = asshole raiders |
| 08:09.07 | Orionshock | and that DKP = Makes Asshole Raiders |
| 08:09.17 | Orionshock | and that there is no way out of getting asshole raiders |
| 08:09.19 | Fin | loot council ftw! |
| 08:09.28 | Kivin | <3 guild drama |
| 08:09.41 | bigzero | i never liked dkp |
| 08:09.42 | Orionshock | basicly of all the loot options available, what's going to piss the least amount of ppl off? |
| 08:09.46 | bigzero | imo /roll is ftw |
| 08:09.48 | Fin | it's like a soap opera of our very own |
| 08:09.59 | Kivin | Orionshock: probably just /roll |
| 08:10.10 | Fin | my opinion of your opinion has just changed |
| 08:10.13 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, /roll pisses people off because one person gets lucky |
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| 08:10.22 | Orionshock | loot council pissses the most ppl off, ZSDKP sounds the best.. and flat dkp is the worst too |
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| 08:10.34 | bigzero | NightHawkTheSane, then people that get pissed need to go study probability |
| 08:10.35 | Fin | loot council doesn't piss most people off if it's done right |
| 08:10.45 | Orionshock | Kivin: ya the infrequint raider gets it and irks the rest off |
| 08:10.47 | Kivin | bigzero: :D you said it, not me |
| 08:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | bigzero: its not a matter of understanding probability, its a matter of perceived fairness |
| 08:11.07 | NightHawkTheSane | has nothing to do with rationality, and its not entirely unwarrented. |
| 08:11.11 | Orionshock | Fin that requires trust of guild management... we all know how that works |
| 08:11.20 | Fin | I have yet to hear anyone give any good reasons why it shouldn't be used, all the reasons people *think* are valid have turned out not to be on a closer look so far |
| 08:11.34 | Fin | Orionshock: it doesn't have to |
| 08:11.51 | Xinhuan | sag_ich_nicht pong |
| 08:11.56 | Fin | Orionshock: make the loot council made up of two officers and two random non-officers from the raid |
| 08:12.00 | bigzero | NightHawkTheSane, the way i see it, the person that shows up most gets the highest chance of winning the item, because he had the most rolls on it... this kinda fails for rarer drops though :( |
| 08:12.12 | NightHawkTheSane | bigzero: exactly :P |
| 08:12.33 | NightHawkTheSane | the problem is, the statistical sample for an individual guild on an individual piece of loot is really rather small |
| 08:12.40 | bigzero | but meh, if a guild is trully friendly then who gives a crap if someone got the item first |
| 08:12.47 | Fin | everyone |
| 08:12.56 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, agreed, but if a guild is that friendly, they would probably not even need to roll |
| 08:12.59 | Kivin | bigzero: Exactly |
| 08:13.01 | Fin | first show me a truly friendly guild |
| 08:13.01 | NightHawkTheSane | and more or less just agree who could use it the most |
| 08:13.16 | bigzero | NightHawkTheSane, that's the system i like best |
| 08:13.17 | Kivin | My raid tends to have arguments over who gets the gear. But it's the other way around... |
| 08:13.21 | Fin | and I will show you a liar! :P (maybe not, but hey probably) |
| 08:13.22 | Kivin | "No you take it" "No, you!" |
| 08:13.28 | Cheads | in our guild we get 1dkp per hour of raiding, and then everyone can bid(with some lightly enforced rules about who can roll for what(for the better of the raid progress)) that works very well |
| 08:13.41 | Fin | Kivin: my friends and I call that being aggressively altruistic |
| 08:13.44 | NightHawkTheSane | bigzero: as do i, but, lets face it, getting a raid group, much less an entire guild, to be that courteous and friendly is extremely rare |
| 08:13.45 | Cheads | kiss |
| 08:13.48 | bigzero | Kivin, that's when you /roll |
| 08:14.02 | Fin | loot council! it gets whites whiter |
| 08:14.04 | bigzero | NightHawkTheSane, indeed... which is a shame |
| 08:14.18 | Kivin | bigzero: We had two people argue over who gets an item on friday, after the roll happened |
| 08:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | bigzero: agreed |
| 08:14.40 | bigzero | Fin, lol... i think we arrived at loot council anyway.. except the whole guild is involved :-P |
| 08:15.04 | Fin | I think that it shouldn't be the whole guild, BUT! |
| 08:15.06 | Kivin | 25 man loot council? :P |
| 08:15.11 | Fin | the decision and reason for it should be made public |
| 08:15.23 | bigzero | Fin, i got burned once by loot council |
| 08:15.31 | Fin | hey, me too |
| 08:15.34 | bigzero | Fin, there tends to be some favoritism imo |
| 08:15.37 | bigzero | in the guild |
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| 08:15.38 | Fin | yep |
| 08:15.46 | Fin | and loot councils don't have very good memories |
| 08:15.55 | bigzero | indeed...so there... shot down |
| 08:15.56 | Aens|Superiority | loot council is good in very very specific situations |
| 08:16.00 | Fin | no |
| 08:16.02 | Fin | not at all |
| 08:16.16 | Aens|Superiority | condition in which it is good is, #1 guild on the server, focused on progress only |
| 08:16.20 | Fin | I mean, unless you would consider that "shot down" if it were your opinion? |
| 08:16.21 | Fin | pff |
| 08:16.23 | Kivin | My old Molten Core raid had a pseudo-council + zerosum system in play. It worked well, except there was one situation that always wracked me. |
| 08:16.37 | Fin | it's good in all situations if it's done right |
| 08:16.43 | Kivin | Seeing something get sharded that someone could use, but wouldn't roll on because they wouldn't burn their DKP balance |
| 08:16.46 | bigzero | Aens|Superiority, any guild that is really focused on progress would benefit from loot council |
| 08:16.59 | [Horde]Tricksy | anyone here have an idea where a bot could be hiding in Terokkar forest? I know someone who is there all night long, I just can't find the guy :E |
| 08:17.18 | bigzero | maybe it's not a bot? |
| 08:17.20 | Fin | _every_ _single_ other system _will_ have flaws that will show themselves at some point and be an issue |
| 08:17.30 | [Horde]Tricksy | no i know he is, I caught him before when he was in Oldworld |
| 08:17.36 | bigzero | Fin, loot council takes way too long |
| 08:17.42 | Aens|Superiority | bigzero: has to be #1 guild on the server, otherwise people you gear out, could leave, which is more damaging than in a normal dkp system |
| 08:17.42 | [Horde]Tricksy | besides, he's on all day too :) |
| 08:17.48 | Elkano | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.51 | Fin | mostly they will be flaws that will cause people to start looking for other systems, and loot council doesn't have to |
| 08:17.51 | bigzero | foreverAFK :- |
| 08:18.13 | Fin | bigzero: not in my experience, unless it's a difficult decision |
| 08:18.15 | Orionshock | Elkano: i is blind :D |
| 08:18.24 | Fin | in which case it *should* take a long time |
| 08:18.27 | bigzero | Aens|Superiority, ah, true... |
| 08:18.37 | Aens|Superiority | [Horde]Tricksy: farming gold? Either the ogre camps to the south west, or the blood elves to the east |
| 08:18.53 | bigzero | Fin, well, then the loot council has to have good memory of who's wearing what |
| 08:19.09 | bigzero | Aens|Superiority, fly around doing /target |
| 08:19.15 | bigzero | err, [Horde]Tricksy |
| 08:19.24 | Fin | bigzero: they only have to know what the player who's asking for something is going to use it for |
| 08:19.25 | [Horde]Tricksy | Aens|Superiority> yeah that's what I thought too but twice now I've seen no sign of him :E I'll make a run again later ;) |
| 08:19.30 | Aens|Superiority | loot council guilds typically have a very involved officer corps, or officer singular. |
| 08:19.31 | [Horde]Tricksy | thanks though ^^ |
| 08:19.33 | Fin | which should be in the request to the loot council |
| 08:19.57 | Aens|Superiority | tricksy, you can also check around auchindoun itself. The skeletons to the south might be good. |
| 08:20.09 | bigzero | Fin, wait, is the loot council we're talking about like you request something before the raid and if it drops then they consider ou? |
| 08:20.11 | bigzero | you* |
| 08:20.18 | [Horde]Tricksy | ok, great I'll do that |
| 08:20.25 | Fin | "/whisper lootcouncilhead I'd like [item], I will use it (to replace [item]|for my dps build|for mastubatory purposes)[, if noone else requests it]?" |
| 08:20.46 | Aens|Superiority | yeah, thats the typical system. |
| 08:20.47 | bigzero | Fin, well, masturbatory purposes would always win |
| 08:21.00 | Fin | it's when something drops, people whisper a designated loot person, and the loot council discuss who will get it |
| 08:21.24 | Aens|Superiority | the guild I was in that had loot council only required you to whisper them "bid" |
| 08:21.34 | bigzero | if you really want to be fair at deciding you have to take into account what the people are wearing besides the item being replaced |
| 08:21.35 | Aens|Superiority | the officers knew enough about the classes to make the decision |
| 08:21.40 | Fin | their loot council was in my opinion flawed |
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| 08:22.16 | Fin | bigzero: that's up to the loot council! |
| 08:22.30 | bigzero | exactly, which takes a lot of time |
| 08:22.46 | bigzero | unless they want to remember what you are wearing |
| 08:22.49 | Fin | and of course if someone in the actual loot council wants an item they say so at the start and remove themselves for that item |
| 08:23.06 | Arrowmaster | we do loot council and the guildleader just does 'everybody that wants item for primary role say yes' if nobody speaks up then its the same again except secondary role aka offspec/pvp purposes |
| 08:23.07 | Aens|Superiority | well, there's only so many different ideal sets out there for classes |
| 08:23.11 | Fin | why would they want to remember if they've just been told what the drop is replacing? |
| 08:23.21 | Aens|Superiority | its not like there are multiple upgrades in every slot |
| 08:23.37 | bigzero | Fin, you also need to look at the whole set of gear |
| 08:23.44 | ramoz | man |
| 08:23.53 | Aens|Superiority | for most raiders, you just inspect them and they have the same gear in almost every slot, or want to have the same gear. |
| 08:23.55 | bigzero | Fin, it's better to buff up the worst geared player imo |
| 08:23.57 | ramoz | i wish the WWS site could be a bit slower |
| 08:23.59 | Fin | right, but that's why it's a loot council |
| 08:24.00 | bigzero | assuming the skill is the same |
| 08:24.32 | Aens|Superiority | bigzero: negative. Very very wrong for progression. You gear up the tank, (off tanks), best in every class, best healers(healer class) |
| 08:24.34 | Fin | four people in it seriously didn't seem to take that much time when I was in them, and it just got quicker every time you did it |
| 08:24.52 | Fin | NEGATORY |
| 08:25.16 | bigzero | Aens|Superiority, for tank, i agree, for the rest of the classes, not really sure that's the best idea |
| 08:25.21 | Fin | ramoz: your wish is granted! |
| 08:25.51 | Fin | bigzero: I remain convinced! |
| 08:25.56 | bigzero | about? |
| 08:26.07 | Fin | that loot council is the best way of handling loot, period |
| 08:26.13 | Aens|Superiority | in every guild, not everyone is equal skill. Alot of great guilds, top #n, there are a fair number of people who only have their raid spot because they can make the insane hours and not because of skill. |
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| 08:26.36 | Aens|Superiority | Fin: hell no. What if you lose your top healer due to irl? |
| 08:26.44 | bigzero | Aens|Superiority, ok, well, then perhaps buffing one guy would be better |
| 08:27.02 | Fin | the reason it's *great* is not just because it doesn't have the problems you just asked about, but because it can take into account unknown variables |
| 08:27.05 | Fin | Aens|Superiority: whu? |
| 08:27.18 | Fin | no comprende |
| 08:27.19 | bigzero | Fin, loot council works, but it's too much work |
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| 08:28.19 | Fin | honestly, it's a lot less than people claim, and I challenge you to try a four man (two officer, two non) loot council for a period of time and still say it takes too much time |
| 08:28.34 | Aens|Superiority | Fin: the hypothetical situation that makes loot council suck. What if the guy who got gear stacked, quit the game or sold the account or otherwise made themself unavailable to raid. |
| 08:28.37 | tekcub | If I were to make a loot planner web site, what should I name it? |
| 08:28.38 | bigzero | communism would be nice if it worked too, same with the system i like... just can't trust people to make the non-selfish decision though |
| 08:29.14 | bigzero | Aens|Superiority, same reason why i think buffing the best payer is a bad idea |
| 08:29.33 | Fin | Aens|Superiority: I... what has that got to do with loot council? |
| 08:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | tekcub: loot whore. |
| 08:30.07 | Fin | tekcub: Loots-r-Us |
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| 08:30.11 | Fin | Brothel |
| 08:30.20 | tekcub | loot whore was the only one I could think of |
| 08:30.21 | tekcub | :) |
| 08:30.27 | Fin | no, actually, NightHawkTheSane's is great |
| 08:30.31 | Fin | it's ace |
| 08:30.51 | bigzero | Fin, that's what i liked... you got in the way :-P |
| 08:31.32 | Fin | bigzero: that's why I think the loot council decision should be made public, btw ("just can't trust people to make the non-selfish decision though") (although not up for discussion) |
| 08:31.36 | Fin | heh |
| 08:32.00 | tekcub | that's not a loot councel, that's a communal decision |
| 08:32.14 | Fin | "not up for discussion" |
| 08:32.24 | tekcub | and really, any system works fine UNTIL you get a conflict |
| 08:32.26 | NightHawkTheSane | fin's not saying make the discussion public, just make the decision and reasons behind it public |
| 08:32.34 | Fin | I disagree, tekcub |
| 08:32.34 | bigzero | tekcub, lol, no kidding |
| 08:32.44 | tekcub | and then they all breax at the "x system is unfair to GuyWhoDidn'tWin" |
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| 08:32.56 | Aens|Superiority | Fin: it has to do with loot council because instead of rewarding/allocating loot based on attendance, it is doing so based on skill or personal reasons. The main goal with loot distribution is to maximize the effect of the loot your guild aquires as best it can for as long as it can. |
| 08:33.00 | tekcub | why fin? |
| 08:33.09 | tekcub | there may be known rules |
| 08:33.17 | Fin | it's actually quite difficult to argue against the decision of four people who've discussed it amongst themselves, and told people why they've decided what they decided |
| 08:33.18 | tekcub | it might be totally logical he lost |
| 08:33.28 | Aens|Superiority | Fin: who picks the 4 people? |
| 08:33.31 | Fin | because they're generally quite reasonable |
| 08:33.40 | Aens|Superiority | Fin: do you have elections or anything similar? Are there checks and balances? |
| 08:33.42 | Fin | Aens|Superiority: there's two officers and two randoms - pick your own way of choosing the randoms |
| 08:34.06 | bigzero | night all |
| 08:34.09 | Fin | night |
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| 08:34.35 | Fin | anyway, I'm going to go and actually have me some quality WoW time now |
| 08:35.09 | Fin | I think next time this discussion comes up I'll just write up a web page with all the points and counter points on it instead |
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| 08:35.42 | [g]Uhm | Man you're going to hate me if I ask what the subject was.. :p |
| 08:35.55 | Fin | vaginas |
| 08:36.07 | [g]Uhm | Ah ofcourse, difficult subject ;) |
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| 08:36.35 | Fin | I've had some experience though and I think I understand what's involved |
| 08:36.37 | Tekkub | right, fuck trying to have a real-time conversation |
| 08:36.58 | Fin | :( |
| 08:39.42 | Fin | Tekkub, be a dear and give the world your answer to MobMap? ta |
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| 08:40.21 | Tekkub | Fin: regardless of how sound the system is, the person who thinks he's been wronged by it WILL argue that it is flawed and unfair, irregardless (I love that word) of how sound the arguement is |
| 08:41.14 | Aens|Superiority | Tekkub: but each system protects against some things better than others. zero sum dkp is terrible for progression. bidding is slow and is open to abuse/collusion. Loot council plays favorites. |
| 08:41.28 | Fin | Tekkub: that's fine, but if there's a reason for what happened and everyone knows what it is, that goes a long way to stopping unnecessary arguments |
| 08:42.11 | Fin | Tekkub: and, you missed my hilarious nonchalant request to replace a hugely complicated and involved addon, damn you! |
| 08:42.18 | Fin | Aens|Superiority: no! |
| 08:42.25 | Fin | loot council doesn't have to play favourites |
| 08:42.32 | Aens|Superiority | but it invariably does |
| 08:42.45 | Fin | how do four people play favourites when they're not the same four people each time? |
| 08:43.09 | Aens|Superiority | because while the 4 selected may be random, its still the same raid |
| 08:43.13 | Fin | there should btw, be a raid tracker and an easy way for the loot council members to see some sort of raid stats, I think |
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| 08:43.24 | Aens|Superiority | and thats where social norms and peer pressure comes into play |
| 08:43.32 | NightHawkTheSane | tekcub: irregardless isn't a word! |
| 08:43.36 | Fin | that does not make sense, the same raid? |
| 08:43.41 | Aens|Superiority | same set of people |
| 08:43.56 | Aens|Superiority | 25 + extras. |
| 08:43.59 | Fin | you mean it's the the people in the guild? |
| 08:44.59 | Fin | I don't follow, but, OK |
| 08:45.17 | Aens|Superiority | well, obviously your guild has a guild master with the charisma to hold the guild together. There may be officers who either perform a role, are class leaders, or the guild master's buddies. The dozen or so cliques in the guild. |
| 08:46.15 | Elkano | hmpf... porting my armory item tooltips from phpbb2.x to phpbb3.x sucks :/ |
| 08:46.17 | Fin | when someone in the loot council says in their loot-council-deciding channel, they think the item should go to <this person> that requested it, they have to say why... |
| 08:46.23 | Fin | if the others don't agree then they say why too |
| 08:46.34 | Aens|Superiority | what if the others dont want to disagree? |
| 08:46.48 | Aens|Superiority | its all private |
| 08:47.29 | Aens|Superiority | I dont want to say no, cause thats the guild leader's best friend who wants it. If we end up saying no, the guild leader will get pissed at us. |
| 08:47.32 | Fin | I suspect... I'm being trolled. OK. well done. bah. |
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| 08:47.39 | Codayus | zomg, arguing over dkp again? |
| 08:47.49 | Fin | not anymore |
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| 08:48.06 | Tekkub | I missed it all |
| 08:48.07 | Tekkub | fucking cable |
| 08:48.17 | Cheads | =( |
| 08:48.45 | Codayus | Mmm, public decisions are good. The problem is, decisions may be based on private discussions, or appear to be, or people may suspect they are. This may not be a problem for your guild, but it's a potential problem. |
| 08:48.54 | Codayus | And saying "public disucssions" doesn't eliminate it. |
| 08:49.13 | Fin | Tekkub: http://fin.pastey.net/80796 |
| 08:49.23 | Fin | thank GOD for irssi's "you're pasting too much" feature |
| 08:49.24 | Tekkub | bah reading |
| 08:49.27 | Tekkub | fuck that too |
| 08:49.52 | Fin | Codayus: the decision *was* made between officers and non-officers, remember |
| 08:50.01 | Tekkub | <Fin> Tekkub: and, you missed my hilarious nonchalant request to replace a hugely complicated and involved addon, damn you! |
| 08:50.02 | Fin | seriously |
| 08:50.04 | Tekkub | paste that too? |
| 08:50.13 | Fin | sec |
| 08:50.53 | Tekkub | quickly the net'll go again |
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| 08:51.36 | Fin | Tekkub: I've updated the pastey |
| 08:51.48 | Fin | Tekkub: reload it |
| 08:51.52 | [Ammo] | 16:42] < nevcairiel> only when i change zoom they suddenly disappear |
| 08:51.52 | [Ammo] | [16:42] < nevcairiel> need to check into that later |
| 08:51.55 | [Ammo] | hmm |
| 08:51.58 | [Ammo] | bad mouse bad |
| 08:52.34 | Tekkub | what is MobMap? |
| 08:52.52 | Fin | next time I seriously will write up a point-counter-point thingy and just reply with numbers |
| 08:53.02 | Tekkub | wiki |
| 08:53.03 | Fin | Tekkub: it's an in-game database of, wait hang on |
| 08:53.10 | Tekkub | god damnit |
| 08:53.15 | Arrowmaster | mobs? |
| 08:53.19 | Tekkub | can you only do half a thought per 10sec? |
| 08:53.29 | Fin | mobs / npcs, quests, merchants, recipes, drop chances, and pickups |
| 08:53.44 | Tekkub | A: wowhead.com |
| 08:53.52 | Tekkub | not everything should be put into an addon |
| 08:54.09 | Fin | well, I think almost everything should be :) |
| 08:54.32 | Fin | I have wowhead open constantly, and several custom URL keywords for searching and lookup up items and stuff |
| 08:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Fin: thats what your second monitor is for |
| 08:54.35 | Tekkub | PTable is about as far as I'm willing to go with bringing data into the game |
| 08:54.47 | Fin | NightHawkTheSane: and that's what I use it for, as well as IRC |
| 08:55.02 | Fin | I'll take a wee photo |
| 08:55.04 | NightHawkTheSane | see, so quityerbitchin! |
| 08:55.58 | Fin | but I want it in-game! and I want to be able to click items in my quest log to bring up a window of drop rates! and have the mobs marked on my map and minimap! and be able to click those marks to place a waypoint! |
| 08:56.50 | Fin | anyway what is it, kill-Fins-joke day? bah |
| 08:56.58 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
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| 08:57.22 | Xinhuan | ammo |
| 08:57.30 | Fin | I'll have you know that was witty and humourous |
| 08:57.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll have you know that potato. |
| 08:57.50 | Xinhuan | there's a post that claims DBM uses less memory and CPU than DBM, do you care to look into it? |
| 08:57.51 | Fin | your MUM |
| 08:57.51 | [Ammo] | hmm xinhuan? |
| 08:57.59 | Xinhuan | than bigwigs i mean |
| 08:58.00 | NightHawkTheSane | that's what she said |
| 08:58.01 | [g]Uhm | Fin, get Lightheaded combined with Tomtom, then you can click coords in the quest-overview and it'l place marks on your map |
| 08:58.11 | [Ammo] | Xinhuan: not really |
| 08:58.15 | Fin | [g]Uhm: I have it |
| 08:58.19 | Fin | it's awesome |
| 08:58.19 | Xinhuan | right |
| 08:58.38 | [Ammo] | they probably have BigWigs as the first Ace2 addon |
| 08:58.45 | [Ammo] | and it gets blamed for all of the libs |
| 08:58.46 | [Ammo] | shrug |
| 08:58.59 | Xinhuan | nah the guy compared his total addon memory usage |
| 08:59.06 | Xinhuan | and said on initial load, his ram is 1 mb lower |
| 08:59.11 | Xinhuan | with dbm |
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| 08:59.36 | Xinhuan | so it has nothing to do with libraries embedded or disembedded |
| 08:59.39 | Fin | is DBM Ace2? |
| 08:59.58 | Fin | I must move out of that rock and find a real home |
| 09:00.24 | [Ammo] | Xinhuan: still I ain't caring much I know bigwigs by itself is efficient |
| 09:00.39 | Kalroth | Fin: Nope, it's not |
| 09:00.55 | Xinhuan | i know its efficient, but to actually see another user having tried both and comparing their cpu usage nd mem usage is interesting |
| 09:01.08 | Xinhuan | and concluding that dbm is more efficient |
| 09:01.31 | Fin | NEIN! |
| 09:01.48 | Xinhuan | (he uses disembedded libs, if that matters) |
| 09:02.01 | [Ammo] | did he run the LoD bigwigs? |
| 09:02.03 | Fin | Kalroth: thanks |
| 09:02.08 | [Ammo] | or the one with all the zones in the main addon |
| 09:02.14 | [Ammo] | if the latter that would explain the 1mb |
| 09:02.22 | Xinhuan | looking at his addons list, i see he runs every addon disembedded |
| 09:02.28 | Xinhuan | because i can see 15 quartz folders |
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| 09:02.35 | [Ammo] | how many bigwigs folders? |
| 09:02.43 | Xinhuan | he doesn't use bigwigs, so its not listed |
| 09:02.57 | Xinhuan | but i'll assume he tested them with all disembedded |
| 09:03.09 | [Ammo] | assumption is the mother of all fuckups |
| 09:03.33 | Kalroth | Why is memory consumption a problem? CPU usage is a much, much bigger problem. |
| 09:03.46 | Fin | well said |
| 09:03.47 | Xinhuan | i don't exactly care |
| 09:03.55 | Xinhuan | but the post claims dbm uses less cpu |
| 09:04.02 | Xinhuan | as well as less ram |
| 09:04.42 | Kalroth | Well DBM doesn't load anything before you actually enter an instance or battleground. I don't know if BigWigs does the same. |
| 09:04.52 | [Ammo] | bigwigs does the same |
| 09:05.04 | [Ammo] | it's just this whole penis comparison thing shrug |
| 09:05.09 | Xinhuan | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10888.0 |
| 09:05.14 | Kalroth | So unless the user is in an instance, you're really only comparing DBM core vs BW core (at worst) |
| 09:05.27 | Xinhuan | wait |
| 09:05.29 | Xinhuan | wrong post |
| 09:05.30 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 09:05.35 | Kalroth | But like Ammo said, BW gets a lot of heat for being the second letter in the alphabet. :) |
| 09:05.40 | Fin | very probably correct ~= correct :( |
| 09:05.55 | Kalroth | agUF being the "usual suspect" :) |
| 09:05.59 | Fin | look I made a sad face |
| 09:06.00 | Fin | I'm sad |
| 09:06.05 | Fin | I'm crying inside |
| 09:06.07 | Kalroth | Fin: You're always so fucking emo! |
| 09:06.15 | Fin | but things make me sad |
| 09:06.23 | Xinhuan | i can't even find the post anymore heh |
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| 09:06.24 | Fin | they make me cry inside |
| 09:06.25 | Xinhuan | cos its read |
| 09:06.32 | Fin | and I ned to tell you about it |
| 09:06.36 | Kalroth | Ammo deleted the post, he's a bastard operator! |
| 09:06.44 | Dezzimal | from hell |
| 09:06.53 | Kalroth | From hell indeed. |
| 09:06.58 | [Ammo] | I would do no such thing |
| 09:07.10 | Fin | sad |
| 09:07.38 | Fin | Kalroth: can I mail you another five billion stacks of leather scraps? |
| 09:08.00 | Fin | you can keep 10% |
| 09:08.16 | clad|gym | i need to make a LW bot for that purpose alone |
| 09:08.35 | Fin | hello cladhaire |
| 09:08.37 | Xinhuan | ammo: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10890.msg172128#msg172128 |
| 09:08.39 | cladhaire | ohai |
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| 09:08.51 | Xinhuan | he did write embedded |
| 09:08.52 | Xinhuan | LOL |
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| 09:09.49 | [Ammo] | so with DBM not having loaded instances and BigWigs having loaded everything and the kitchen sink -> BigWIgs is 1mb bigger |
| 09:09.53 | [Ammo] | wow yay |
| 09:10.31 | Funkeh` | yo |
| 09:11.10 | Funkeh` | if you're talking about that thread, its locked now |
| 09:11.18 | [Ammo] | no fun! |
| 09:11.24 | Xinhuan | bah |
| 09:11.25 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 09:11.32 | [Ammo] | let the man rant about bigwigs sucking |
| 09:11.34 | [Ammo] | shrug |
| 09:11.40 | [Ammo] | if he wants to use DBM let him |
| 09:11.55 | Funkeh` | I did't read aobut that |
| 09:12.03 | Funkeh` | I read the post title and locked it |
| 09:12.14 | Funkeh` | about* |
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| 09:13.55 | Xinhuan | wtb skull of guldan! |
| 09:13.56 | tekcub | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:13.58 | tekcub | *disconnects* |
| 09:16.12 | [Ammo] | that should shut him up |
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| 09:39.13 | evl | YES! |
| 09:39.19 | evl | macbook pro arrived |
| 09:39.20 | evl | bye pc :( |
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| 09:45.45 | ramoz | evl: why didnt you get macbook anorexic? :O |
| 09:46.00 | Xaiznah | Hi! 3 days ago i ask in this channel, because nobody can't help me. now i have more informations to detect my error that is generatet by ace-addons. The error is generatet by UTF8-Lib. Here you can see error-messages: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/14793 |
| 09:46.03 | evl | cause I'm gonna play wow on it? :P |
| 09:47.23 | ShenDK | Hmm just did a commit, but the bot doesn't echo the commit here? |
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| 09:50.41 | Stan_ | the bot is lagging |
| 09:50.43 | ShenDK | Tekkub: Hey :) Just did a commit to dev/trunk but CIA-8 doesn't echo the commit here. What could be up with that? |
| 09:50.48 | ShenDK | ok |
| 09:50.58 | CIA-8 | ow |
| 09:51.01 | Tekkub | CIA sucks lately |
| 09:51.03 | ShenDK | lol |
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| 09:52.31 | elusif | any reason my WTF folder would be empty? |
| 09:53.00 | Ellipsis | did you empty it? |
| 09:53.08 | elusif | no |
| 09:53.16 | elusif | unless i did so trying to remove something |
| 09:53.19 | elusif | but my mods are working |
| 09:53.40 | elusif | like cartographer and auctioneer have a datbase? |
| 09:53.58 | Ellipsis | sure you're looking in the right folder? |
| 09:54.13 | Tekkub | "Open the .ini file in a pure text editor (like Notepad)" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 09:54.55 | elusif | C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\WTF |
| 09:55.03 | elusif | empty :( |
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| 10:04.48 | Grum | then you are running your wow from another directory elusif :) |
| 10:11.25 | CIA-8 | 03mikk 07Beta * r58634 10Ace3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:11.25 | CIA-8 | Ace3 - AceSerializer: |
| 10:11.25 | CIA-8 | - ACE-123: Use "mantissa,exponent" format for transmitting numbers that would |
| 10:11.25 | CIA-8 | lose precision in tostring() format. The mantissa is currently always |
| 10:11.25 | CIA-8 | transmitted as an integer to get around rounding problems, but the deserializer |
| 10:11.26 | CIA-8 | accepts any number. |
| 10:11.28 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58635 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: GatherMate: even smoother icon movement, and run a full update when zoom changes |
| 10:11.29 | Ellipsis | either that or deleted the files while already in-game... |
| 10:11.33 | CIA-8 | 03scorpion * r58636 10GridStatusHealer/Locale-zhTW.lua: |
| 10:11.35 | CIA-8 | GridStatusHealer: |
| 10:11.37 | CIA-8 | - zhTW Update |
| 10:11.41 | CIA-8 | 03mikk 07Beta * r58638 10Ace3/tests/AceSerializer-3.0.lua: |
| 10:11.41 | CIA-8 | Ace3 - tests: |
| 10:11.43 | CIA-8 | - Document new AceSerializer-3.0 tests for ACE-123 better |
| 10:11.45 | CIA-8 | 03shen * r58637 10PoliteWhisper/ (10 files): PoliteWhisper Extended: Original non-extended version by gre7g. |
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| 10:19.12 | CIA-8 | 03ammo 07Ace3 * r58642 10oRA3/modules/ReadyCheck.lua: oRA3: more plumbing in readycheck |
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| 10:23.10 | syeren | Hmm, I'm moving my character to a different server today under a different alias, besides renaming the folders, will I have to edit the Name and Realm Ausmara/Dentarg into Syeren/Stormscale in all of my saved Variable files in order for my UI to copy across :P? |
| 10:23.17 | syeren | If any of you have experience it would be appreciated :p |
| 10:24.49 | Ellipsis | either that or use the "copy profile" function in-game for any addons with char-specific settings |
| 10:25.07 | Fin | oh wait that could be my feet |
| 10:25.40 | Fin | <noise like a surprise appearance of bad guy in Batman> |
| 10:28.05 | Grum | syeren: i can jsut advise to make a complete backup of all your WTF stuff |
| 10:28.05 | Tekkub | http://wow.somegate.com/topic.php?topic_uid=88797 |
| 10:28.10 | Tekkub | I DEMAND TRANSLATION! |
| 10:28.20 | syeren | I will be doing Grum. |
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| 10:35.51 | Funkeh` | syeren, just look through your saved variables and rename as adiquate |
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| 10:36.04 | syeren | Thanks Funkeh` :p |
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| 10:40.44 | Stan_ | nevcairiel: I still get flickering cornfields in GatherMate :P |
| 10:41.04 | nevcairiel | thats a texture issue, no movement issue |
| 10:41.20 | Stan_ | that means? can't be solved? |
| 10:41.43 | nevcairiel | i am pretty sure you get that with carto and gatherer too |
| 10:42.06 | Stan_ | => blizzard issue then |
| 10:42.25 | kebinusan | wish I could get wow model viwer to work in linux |
| 10:43.40 | Stan_ | http://www.wow-europe.com/ptr/downloads/ < nice |
| 10:47.14 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58643 10/branches/GatherMate/Display.lua: GatherMate: show more nodes on the edge of the map with an appropriate alpha value so you know which direction to move for more nodes! |
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| 10:49.09 | Stan_ | nevcairiel: hm yup, flicking is still there when GM and Carto are disabled....go go blizzard -.- |
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| 10:51.38 | Grum | Stan_: i never experience flickering, just stuttery movement because the 'min delta' is set at 5yds by default |
| 10:51.59 | Stan_ | Grum: http://staneck.de/upload/files/gathermate.avi |
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| 10:52.33 | nevcairiel | Grum: that was fixed, its only supposed to delete nodes after moving 5yds, but update nodes anytime |
| 10:53.50 | Grum | Stan_: that is strange flickerings indeed, never seen it |
| 10:54.06 | Grum | nevcairiel: ah k |
| 10:55.21 | Grum | i think i can take a look @ GatherMate this friday, see how it works, see if i can poke some holes in it :) |
| 10:55.57 | nevcairiel | i poked the minimap code with a very sharp stick for two days now, i think its getting resilient |
| 10:56.02 | nevcairiel | maybe i should try blunt objects |
| 10:56.08 | Grum | i'll do that :) |
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| 11:06.23 | Grum | nevcairiel: did you calculate the 90% of minimap radius to put the middle of the icon @ ? |
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| 11:06.29 | Grum | (when an icon is at the border) |
| 11:06.41 | Grum | or did that just happen to turn out nice with 12px icons and the minimap size ? :D |
| 11:07.56 | Xinhuan | he's gone |
| 11:07.59 | Xinhuan | for uni |
| 11:08.47 | Grum | what's the default minimap dimension in pixels? anyone knows? :D |
| 11:09.17 | Fin | the THIRD DIMENSION!! ~ wooo ~ |
| 11:09.25 | Fin | <eerie Twilight Zone sounds> |
| 11:10.15 | Fin | I doubt anyone's going to know that offhand, Grum |
| 11:10.23 | Fin | I'd start a new character with all the addons disabled, personally |
| 11:11.20 | Gnarfoz | http://www.break.com/index/dominos-with-1500-hard-drives.html |
| 11:11.57 | Ellipsis | old |
| 11:12.02 | Ellipsis | plus Arrowmaster linked it like yesterday |
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| 11:16.14 | Arrowmaster | i did |
| 11:16.38 | Arrowmaster | like 23 or 24 hours ago right before going to bed |
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| 12:04.35 | Kivin | So, I've got a hard disk that I've been keeping unplugged, because whenever read/writing is done to it, my whole computer comes to a screeching halt. Broken hd? |
| 12:05.15 | Kivin | that is, things start happening really slow. music/video will skip, the mouse gets jittery, etc |
| 12:09.26 | Gnarfoz | Kivin: broken sectors most likely |
| 12:09.32 | Gnarfoz | I've got one of those, too |
| 12:09.35 | Kivin | alrighty |
| 12:09.39 | Gnarfoz | windows recovers after about 45se |
| 12:09.41 | Gnarfoz | sec |
| 12:09.48 | Gnarfoz | which is likely some time-out of sorts |
| 12:09.49 | Kivin | mine never recovers. |
| 12:10.08 | Kivin | it just lags majorcore until the read/write operation is finished, then goes back to semi normality |
| 12:10.09 | Gnarfoz | depends if it's trying to continue accessing it after the time-out :D |
| 12:10.34 | Kivin | all it takes is some background process to query the drive letter and everything goes to hell again, so i had to pull it |
| 12:10.56 | phyber | Stan_: hey. |
| 12:11.00 | Kivin | finally missing my 38gib music collection, though, so i'm spending a rainy day copy & pasting it all over to my good drive |
| 12:11.24 | Kivin | comically, 100% of it appears to be accessable, it just goes REALLY slow |
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| 12:13.25 | Stan_ | phyber: oh hi. about topscorefu...Illidan has weak phases, too |
| 12:13.43 | elusif | CIA-8: i'm not running wow from another dir |
| 12:13.54 | elusif | my addons are all in interface addons |
| 12:13.56 | elusif | and functioning |
| 12:14.05 | elusif | including auctioneer and cart with their datanase |
| 12:14.10 | elusif | but the fact remains my WTF folder is empty! |
| 12:14.11 | phyber | Stan_: ahh, ok. |
| 12:15.24 | Kivin | hmm |
| 12:15.48 | JoshBorke | elusif: do they save their settings? |
| 12:15.48 | Kivin | wonder if i can find a way to schedule some .bat files to run periodically throughout the day to copy all these files |
| 12:16.01 | phyber | task scheduler? |
| 12:16.12 | Kivin | yeah, guess so |
| 12:18.28 | ShenDK | elusif: have you set the content in your WTF folder as hidden? Cause auctioneer and the other addons wouldn't be able to save their databases and options otherwise. |
| 12:18.57 | ShenDK | or read only |
| 12:18.58 | Gnarfoz | can hunters use 2H swords? |
| 12:19.03 | evl | Any WoWAceUpdater for macs? |
| 12:19.11 | JoshBorke | wuu |
| 12:19.12 | Kivin | Gnarfoz: Yes |
| 12:19.16 | Gnarfoz | k |
| 12:19.19 | JoshBorke | ~wuu |
| 12:19.19 | purl | somebody said wuu was a WoW UI Updater - Updates your WoW addons automagically from WoWAce, WoWI, Cosmos, and CurseGaming sites. Homepage is http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ |
| 12:19.38 | Gnarfoz | just trying to figure out which class the character used for the Sunwell fake loot screenshot is supposed to be |
| 12:20.44 | Kivin | what screenshot |
| 12:21.34 | Gnarfoz | http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/861/compjg9.jpg |
| 12:22.03 | Kivin | =S that'll take forever to pull up while this copy is underway |
| 12:22.24 | Ellipsis | pally? |
| 12:22.46 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: pallys can use 2H swords |
| 12:23.06 | Ellipsis | murr |
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| 12:23.28 | Kivin | still waiting =/ |
| 12:23.31 | Kivin | frackin hard drive |
| 12:23.40 | Gnarfoz | (it's obvious that it's fake from other pointers, but still ^^) |
| 12:24.42 | Ellipsis | human shaman? o.O |
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| 12:25.00 | evl | fakeeeee |
| 12:25.10 | Gnarfoz | evl: we know, just bored :L) |
| 12:25.24 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: huh? shaman can't use swords :) |
| 12:25.29 | Stan_ | nevcairiel: wtb Foglight module for Mapster :p |
| 12:25.29 | evl | Can't I just copy my entire wow folder from my pc to my mac and get new binaries? |
| 12:25.42 | Gnarfoz | it's likely a human warrior that never went to the weapons master for 2H swords |
| 12:25.58 | Ellipsis | pfft |
| 12:26.16 | Kivin | paladins can't use daggers or staffs |
| 12:26.33 | Gnarfoz | Kivin: but they can use 2h swords, which is red in that picture, too |
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| 12:27.09 | Gnarfoz | also, the toon in that pic is standing in front of Northshire Abbey, naked, without weapon skills bought, BUT is level 70 |
| 12:27.12 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 12:28.02 | kebinusan | going from 4:3 to 16:9 in wow is quite an interesting change |
| 12:28.06 | Gnarfoz | and all tooltips show "Soulbound" instead of "Binds when picked up" =) |
| 12:28.19 | Gnarfoz | kebinusan: what kind of display got you 16:9? TV? |
| 12:30.14 | kebinusan | nah just a lcd, I used to play on my old 21" crt, but I swapped my primary display to my lcd today to play with |
| 12:30.24 | Cheads | 16:10 probably |
| 12:31.04 | kebinusan | eh, yeah |
| 12:31.13 | Gnarfoz | yeah, 16:9 would be too good to be true |
| 12:31.30 | Gnarfoz | how the hell do display makers get the idea that having black borders on HDTV material is nice? :< |
| 12:32.03 | Gnarfoz | drat |
| 12:32.15 | Gnarfoz | I forgot to get myself the divx 6.8 pro codec while it was free |
| 12:32.17 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 12:32.33 | Ellipsis | the same people who encode the black borders into videos when they make them 4:3, so that on a widescreen you have black borders on the top and bottom AND both sides |
| 12:32.51 | Gnarfoz | Ellipsis: yay, that's great, too ;D |
| 12:33.08 | kebinusan | hehe |
| 12:34.52 | kebinusan | was just annoying on my crt, playing at eitehr 1024x768 or 1600x1200, since the later was kinda pushing my video card in wow |
| 12:35.59 | Grum | why not 1280? |
| 12:36.15 | kebinusan | 5:4 aspect ratio is kinda weird |
| 12:36.50 | Grum | 1280x960 sohuld be valid :P |
| 12:37.53 | kebinusan | I may try later, goign to give this a whirl though, and keep my crt at a higher res for desktop apps and browsing |
| 12:48.39 | Cheads | 1680x1050 is nice though(imho) 16:10 |
| 12:49.15 | Kivin | I'm currently at 1400x1050 |
| 12:49.19 | kebinusan | yeah I wish I had opted for a larger LCD |
| 12:49.47 | Cheads | I have that cheap Samsung 226bw.. really like it |
| 12:49.49 | Gnarfoz | my 19" CRT has this anti-glare/reflection finish on it (like glasses have), but that is severely scratched |
| 12:49.52 | Gnarfoz | annoying to look at :D |
| 12:50.22 | kebinusan | my 21" crt is in pretty good shape still , Im using it as a second display so I have irc up on one window and wow on the other |
| 12:50.40 | Ellipsis | glossy screens fail so hard |
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| 12:51.46 | Gnarfoz | indeed, I'd never get one ^^ |
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| 12:52.25 | kagaro | nevcairiel: you were busy last night |
| 12:52.28 | kebinusan | heh this crt is going 6 or 8 years old now |
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| 12:52.39 | Grum | kagaro: hows it coming along? :) |
| 12:52.49 | kagaro | looking good right now |
| 12:53.37 | kagaro | Stanzilla: ping |
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| 12:56.21 | Stan_ | kagaro: pong |
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| 12:56.56 | kagaro | stan do an update and tell me if you get the corn fields again. I tried it last night and didnt see the flickr |
| 12:57.14 | Stan_ | yeah already tried it, I still get them but it seems to be a blizz issue |
| 12:57.19 | Stan_ | I'm getting them without GM, too |
| 12:57.20 | kagaro | ahh ok |
| 12:57.32 | Stan_ | but the overlapping icons issue was fixed |
| 12:57.33 | kagaro | I ran the same path you did in the video and didnt see it |
| 12:57.48 | Stan_ | yeah graphics bug or whatever that is |
| 12:57.50 | kagaro | nevi added a few fixes last night as well |
| 13:00.16 | Stan_ | yup, everything else is working pretty good |
| 13:00.44 | kagaro | memory seems to have stablalized as well along with cpu usage |
| 13:01.11 | kagaro | I think i can finally dump cart and go for Mapster and Gathermate and NOT have to shut them all off during raids |
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| 13:01.44 | Stan_ | Mapster needs a few more things to make me switch |
| 13:01.45 | Hjalte | Elkano: Before I go all out in configuring EBBs, can you tell me if it is possible to somehow seperate hots on me? Either by name, prefferably, or eg. by time. |
| 13:02.40 | Stan_ | like Foglight disabling |
| 13:02.54 | Stan_ | and Battleground maps |
| 13:04.08 | Recluse | Hjalte: you can filter with time/name for each group, or sort group in differing orders based on time and such... not sure how you mean separate though |
| 13:04.37 | Hjalte | Recluse: I'm a warlock, and when I have Heal over Time spells on me I want to life tap :) |
| 13:04.44 | Hjalte | So I need to be able to clearly see them. |
| 13:05.07 | kagaro | Stan I thought it had foglight disabling done |
| 13:05.10 | Elkano | you could create a new group, place it in center of screen and whitelist all HoTs you find |
| 13:05.11 | Recluse | Hjalte: sure - you could create a group for "hots on me" and set it up to only show those, yep |
| 13:05.23 | Stan_ | kagaro: did not see an option for that |
| 13:05.43 | kagaro | ping ammo then :P |
| 13:05.56 | Stan_ | phyber: why do boss levels show up as "-1" in TopScoreFu? |
| 13:06.00 | kagaro | or nevi |
| 13:06.05 | Stan_ | I pinged nev |
| 13:06.12 | Stan_ | but he's at uni or something like that^^ |
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| 13:07.03 | Hjalte | Stan_: Because they don't have a real level. |
| 13:08.13 | Stan_ | Hjalte: yeah but you could show "Boss" or something like that..everything's better than "-1" ^^ |
| 13:08.29 | Hjalte | Xinhuan: Got any interesting out of beta testing Dock? Will it be able to do smaller UIs? |
| 13:08.31 | Stan_ | kagaro: GatherMate uses 1,8MiB with wowhead data..I think that is ok |
| 13:08.57 | Xinhuan | i found out that i don't really use it because if you really want to get a frame out of the way, i would just hide the frame, not dock it |
| 13:09.19 | kagaro | it does go up a little Stan then levels off once youve hit max density of icons in a given map |
| 13:09.32 | kagaro | then levels off since it caches the icons |
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| 13:09.52 | Xinhuan | get what i mean Hjalte? |
| 13:09.56 | kagaro | I hit 1.9 megs in zangarmarsh and it pretty much stayed there |
| 13:10.41 | Hjalte | Xinhuan: Something like that, yes. I think I would have to play with it to see, if it is something I would use. |
| 13:13.50 | Stan_ | kagaro: I'm @ 1,74KiB on Hellfire Peninsula with only the outland ores enabled. |
| 13:14.04 | kagaro | nice |
| 13:14.23 | Stan_ | gah |
| 13:14.25 | Stan_ | MiB |
| 13:14.27 | Stan_ | sry^^ |
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| 13:18.26 | phyber | Stan_: because the game probably returns -1 for boss mobs when it's asked about their level. |
| 13:18.35 | Stan_ | k |
| 13:18.41 | dre^ | I'd bet that means "?" level |
| 13:18.54 | phyber | I should probably do something to replace it with "Boss" or "?" when it's displayed. |
| 13:18.56 | Stan_ | well you could replace it with "Boss" |
| 13:18.58 | Stan_ | yeah |
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| 13:19.27 | dre^ | I'd go with "?", as not all bosses are "?" |
| 13:19.53 | FinalX | And not all ?? are Bosses. |
| 13:20.47 | Megalon | anyone here using tourguide? |
| 13:21.06 | Recluse | Megalon: yes |
| 13:21.10 | Megalon | is it normal that it deletes quest after engaging the corresponding quest? |
| 13:21.11 | Megalon | :C |
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| 13:21.28 | Megalon | wpl atm, second time now at the cauldron quest |
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| 13:21.45 | Megalon | i ride to the cauldron, the key mob spawns, tourguide tells me to kill this mob |
| 13:21.55 | Megalon | and at the same time the quest is deleted from my questlog >:< |
| 13:22.16 | Recluse | it shouldn't remove anything from the questlog itself... |
| 13:22.43 | Megalon | ah |
| 13:22.48 | Megalon | wasn't tourguide |
| 13:23.14 | Megalon | stupid me :x |
| 13:23.18 | Recluse | lol |
| 13:23.40 | Megalon | omg, i should so facepalm myself for this |
| 13:23.52 | Megalon | i never said anything! :D |
| 13:24.06 | Recluse | Megalon: tmk, it doesn't delete anything even from itself, just 'marks' it as complete inside TG's list is all |
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| 13:33.23 | phyber | Stan_: just changed TSF. it will show Boss instead of -1 now :) |
| 13:33.52 | Stan_ | phyber: <3 |
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| 13:46.05 | Pernicius_ | i have a problem ... i create a model frame and set the model to the ping animation ... but only the upper right quarter is visible at the lower left corner of the model frame ... how can i center the animation? |
| 13:46.24 | vithos | phyber: wouldn't that show higher level players as bosses? |
| 13:47.11 | vithos | boss is a UnitClassification |
| 13:48.47 | phyber | vithos: hmm. maybe i'll return '?' then instead? |
| 13:48.50 | Ozguli | speed enchants stack additively? |
| 13:48.57 | Pernicius_ | no |
| 13:49.02 | phyber | or i could just check the unittype when the level is stored. |
| 13:49.15 | Ozguli | Pernicius_ in reply to who? |
| 13:49.24 | Ozguli | like, epic flying mount + riding crop |
| 13:49.35 | vithos | phyber: i haven't used TopScoreFu, so i'm not sure what would be appropriate |
| 13:49.42 | Ozguli | is it 280+20 or 280*1.2 |
| 13:50.12 | Pernicius_ | Ozguly: only the higher speed enchant counts |
| 13:50.29 | Ozguli | but riding crop increases mounted speed. |
| 13:50.32 | Ozguli | they both count |
| 13:50.46 | Ozguli | and I'm asking if it's additive or some other way they're counted |
| 13:50.56 | vithos | it's additive and there's a 10% cap |
| 13:51.09 | Ozguli | hmm |
| 13:51.15 | vithos | but "epic flying mount" is a different base mount speed, not a mount speed modifier |
| 13:51.16 | Ozguli | I'll just get some addon and test it myself |
| 13:51.25 | Ozguli | oh indeed |
| 13:52.06 | FinalX | They're base modifiers, which means crusader aura (20%) is (100+280)*1.20 |
| 13:52.10 | FinalX | Which is 456% |
| 13:52.32 | Ozguli | which it can't be |
| 13:52.36 | FinalX | Yes, it is. |
| 13:52.41 | Ozguli | omg. |
| 13:53.09 | FinalX | Epic land mount w/ crusader aura = (100+100)*1.20 = 240% |
| 13:53.39 | FinalX | Riding Crop / Whip = 10%, so (100+100)*1.10 = 220% |
| 13:53.52 | vithos | epic land mount is just 100%? |
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| 13:53.56 | Ozguli | epic quality mount doubles the enchantment |
| 13:54.10 | vithos | not 200% |
| 13:54.13 | FinalX | Yes, epic land mount is 100%. |
| 13:54.22 | FinalX | But it INCREASES your speed by 100%. |
| 13:54.26 | FinalX | You already RUN at 100%. |
| 13:54.32 | FinalX | So you go at 200%. |
| 13:54.43 | FinalX | Try installing a speed mod and you'll see for yourself. |
| 13:55.06 | Ozguli | doing it atm |
| 13:55.10 | FinalX | I've done this calculations a lot of times and always got proven by others, so if you don't believe it, go see for yourself. |
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| 13:55.59 | FinalX | It's 100 base speed + modifier of your mount (60, 100, 280), add that up, then add the percentage of mount speed increase (3%, 8%, 10%, 20%) |
| 13:56.35 | Ozguli | hmm... I'll try it with apexis emanations as well |
| 13:56.46 | Ozguli | looks like it stacks with rogue passive |
| 13:56.53 | FinalX | Doesn't take a rocket scientist you know =P |
| 13:57.19 | SunTsu | .o0( the obvious thing would be take someone to ride at your side in shimmering flats, have him have one 10% trinket equipped and have yourself two 10% trinkets eqippued ) |
| 13:57.26 | Ozguli | FinalX I just wasn't sure if they really are multiplied by the number |
| 13:57.33 | Ozguli | or just added to the value |
| 13:57.50 | Ozguli | SunTsu trinkets don't stack |
| 13:58.09 | SunTsu | Ozguli: I know |
| 13:58.34 | vithos | i wonder how it works with the 8% from the hunter BM talent |
| 13:58.42 | vithos | like, if you had a carrot on a stick + that |
| 13:58.50 | SunTsu | Which does not hinder myself wearing 2 10% trinkets - because I have them and can't disenchant ;) |
| 13:58.56 | vithos | the talent tooltip says "does not stack with other effects" |
| 13:59.26 | Ellipsis | SunTsu: vendor imo? :P |
| 13:59.28 | vithos | but i wonder if that just means "counts as part of the 10% limit" |
| 14:00.05 | SunTsu | vithos: I just know that paladins normally ride faster than me |
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| 14:00.49 | vithos | if they have the aura up, do any of the items make a difference? |
| 14:00.55 | vithos | no, right? |
| 14:01.03 | [Ammo] | no |
| 14:01.04 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: I could, I know, but I don't know which one to vendor ;) The trinkt the netherwing race gave me or the first riding crop I made |
| 14:01.11 | [Ammo] | aura = only thing that matters for a pally |
| 14:01.34 | Ozguli | 220% speed with riding crop and epic mount. |
| 14:01.39 | Stan_ | [Ammo]: wtb Battleground Maps & Foglight options for mapster :D |
| 14:01.49 | [Ammo] | bg maps = default blizzard behaviour |
| 14:01.54 | [Ammo] | foglight schmoglight |
| 14:02.00 | Grum | wasnt the maximum increase from items 10% and from spells 20%? (paladin aura) |
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| 14:02.11 | [Ammo] | aura does not stack with items |
| 14:02.19 | [Ammo] | so no use for a pally to get a crop |
| 14:02.23 | [Ammo] | or any other item |
| 14:02.41 | Grum | yeah so its either, but as items only go to 10% max |
| 14:03.32 | Ozguli | funny thing is |
| 14:03.40 | Ozguli | the apexis emanations affects druid flight form |
| 14:04.38 | FinalX | Pally Aura doesn't stack with anything. |
| 14:04.48 | SunTsu | Ozguli: I know, and I always try to do that quest as the first one when doing Ogri'la dailies - but never come around |
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| 14:04.56 | FinalX | The current cao of increasements should be the aura, 20%. |
| 14:05.07 | FinalX | cap* |
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| 14:06.18 | SunTsu | BTW. swift flight form was a reason for me to buy a new computer. My machine was too slow to keep up with that form and I had to stop for severeal seconds to see any NPCs or mobs around me. |
| 14:06.35 | Polarina | SunTsu: That's usually latency... |
| 14:06.39 | SunTsu | Was great. I sometimes was attacked, but didn't know where the mob stood |
| 14:07.04 | SunTsu | Polarina: No, it was my graphics card that had problems rendering it that swift |
| 14:07.20 | Polarina | SunTsu: What card? |
| 14:07.34 | FinalX | XD Had that problem for ages as well, bought a new computer shortly after and like you said, problem solved |
| 14:07.50 | vithos | SunTsu: so it stopped rendering frames because you moved too fast? |
| 14:08.47 | SunTsu | Polarina: Something cheap with 128 MB RAM, nvidia chipset |
| 14:09.27 | SunTsu | vithos: Looked like it. First the surrounding was empty, then I saw shadows and then the mobs and NPCs |
| 14:09.28 | Stan_ | [Ammo]: where can I find schmoglight? |
| 14:09.42 | Polarina | SunTsu: I'm using a Nvidia GeForce 6200 |
| 14:09.49 | vithos | i don't think that could have been your graphics card |
| 14:10.04 | vithos | the same thing happens to me, but it depends on whether you've changed direction |
| 14:10.17 | Ozguli | SunTsu lol |
| 14:10.24 | Ozguli | I have same kind of problems |
| 14:10.26 | vithos | because the server sends the units in front of where you're traveling |
| 14:10.57 | Ozguli | but in my case, the mount is just as slow as normal one near shattrath and such |
| 14:11.16 | vithos | but i think i read a PTR patchnote today that says they're improving the netcode to load units/objects sooner |
| 14:12.25 | SunTsu | vithos: It was better the minute I used my new computer. After upgrading that one from an onboard card to a nvidia 8600GTS it fully stopped |
| 14:13.15 | vithos | was the old system's disk slower? |
| 14:13.28 | SunTsu | vithos: No, the disk stayed the same |
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| 14:14.47 | Polarina | vithos: It could be the CPU decompressing the model (Armour texture / weapon texture) that made it take so long. |
| 14:14.54 | RaydenU | lol |
| 14:14.57 | Polarina | vithos: From the MPQ file. |
| 14:15.06 | RaydenU | if you are a priest and fed up with the group you have some options |
| 14:15.10 | RaydenU | A) Leave Confused |
| 14:15.31 | vithos | i just can't imagine how that could possibly take more than a few milliseconds |
| 14:15.32 | RaydenU | B) psychic scream, hopefully attracting more mobs resultin gin a wipe, twisted evil |
| 14:15.36 | RaydenU | C) tough it out |
| 14:15.39 | Scylia | Hi there, I'm searching some help for a function... I'm building a frame containing some frames. Those frames are "designed" by options (for the w, h, position, ...). Currently, I'm searching how to get the maximum width and heigth for my frames. (I' ve written a small ex at http://ace.pastey.net/80803). Any help (or insult ^^) would be great :) |
| 14:15.52 | RaydenU | D) disconnect, probably the same as leave but with the added bonus that they might wait for you (cool) |
| 14:15.54 | RaydenU | :D |
| 14:16.07 | vithos | and it seems like to me, that if it was the videocard not being good enough, the symptom would havve been low framerates |
| 14:16.14 | xyu | i've also had those rendering probs |
| 14:16.18 | xyu | especially when i log in shatt |
| 14:16.29 | SunTsu | vithos: You mean the 3-4 fps I had? ;) |
| 14:16.47 | xyu | i'll head to the Daily heroic guy and i won't see him until a good minute or two later |
| 14:17.35 | vithos | unless i'm misunderstanding you, you're not talking about framerate spikes, but about video rendering continuing without drawing things that you've just gotten in range of |
| 14:18.24 | Recluse | how many real-world square miles do you think the total WoW landmasses comprise? |
| 14:18.26 | xyu | yeah my fps is fine. |
| 14:18.36 | SunTsu | vithos: Right, never had problems in normal flight form or on epic mount, but right after acquiring swift flight form |
| 14:19.08 | vithos | SunTsu: yeah, it's just like flying around with herb tracking on waiting for the herb dots on the minimap |
| 14:19.12 | xyu | Recluse: i'm not sure but here's me running from 1 end to the other. |
| 14:19.12 | xyu | http://dodownload.filefront.com/9301383//c55dfd8b1261915ae3fa254b5e7f479287bad6f4e163c3dcbcc18e44bdf5af1936af8f013e3deeca |
| 14:19.21 | xyu | it's kind of a big download but i like how the landscape progresses ^_^ |
| 14:19.31 | Recluse | o.O running from one end to the other? |
| 14:19.35 | vithos | if you approach the herbs directly, they load more "on time" |
| 14:19.36 | xyu | it was 4 4gb files so i don't know how to make it smaller |
| 14:19.53 | xyu | yep, that's me :D |
| 14:19.56 | vithos | but if you're going to fly past an herb and never get in range of it, but then take a sharp turn towards it, it won't load on time typically |
| 14:20.11 | xyu | i have one for every continent. haha, i was bored ^^ |
| 14:20.29 | vithos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.30 | vithos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.32 | Recluse | lol |
| 14:20.37 | vithos | 2.3.3 PTR patchnotes |
| 14:21.09 | vithos | not specific about whether it's a server change or a client change |
| 14:21.13 | vithos | but i'm going to guess server |
| 14:21.24 | vithos | or hope |
| 14:21.42 | Recluse | xyu: probably took quite a while |
| 14:22.07 | vithos | because my problem definitely shouldn't be with loading the models/textures from disk when it's the same herb model that's already loaded and visible |
| 14:22.07 | xyu | check it out, i buffed myself before i started the journey so you can see how long it took haha |
| 14:22.17 | xyu | although it runs out i think sometime through felwood? i forget |
| 14:22.29 | vithos | and it's exactly the same for me with herbs as it is with players or anything else |
| 14:22.31 | Recluse | vithos: you missed the best thing about the next patch: macros are going to work again! :p |
| 14:22.59 | Recluse | xyu: from where to where did you start/finish? |
| 14:23.08 | xyu | Silithus |
| 14:23.11 | xyu | to winterspring |
| 14:23.13 | vithos | heh, my macros work the same now as they did before |
| 14:23.18 | vithos | which is not to say they aren't broken. |
| 14:23.23 | Recluse | lol |
| 14:23.42 | vithos | my auto/steady spam macro will sometimes target a new enemy right after the current target dies |
| 14:23.48 | vithos | even if i have [exists,nodead] on everything |
| 14:24.04 | vithos | but if i stand right in front of something with no target spamming it, it never happens |
| 14:24.08 | xyu | and it'll be a boss |
| 14:24.10 | xyu | and you'll pull |
| 14:24.10 | vithos | it's kinda dangerous when there's CC. |
| 14:24.11 | xyu | and wipe everyone |
| 14:24.22 | Recluse | i put 'reset=target' on mine so i can at least un-stick em |
| 14:24.54 | SunTsu | The fix I'd like to see for macros is increasement in size |
| 14:25.13 | vithos | i have reset=1, so i guess that's why i haven't experienced them getting stuck with stuff going out of range |
| 14:25.28 | Recluse | SunTsu: yeah, that'd be nice - my buff macro isn't all it could be due to size restriction |
| 14:25.44 | vithos | SunTsu: true that. |
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| 14:26.08 | vithos | i can't fit #showtooltip in my pet management macro due to all the long food item names for feeding |
| 14:26.22 | Recluse | vithos: from the things i was reading, if you don't have a reset=foo in it, you can only unstick it by reloading the ui, dying, or logging out/in lol |
| 14:26.28 | Ellipsis | can't you use item IDs in macros now? |
| 14:26.39 | vithos | Recluse: ouch |
| 14:26.46 | SunTsu | vithos: I am juggling with different languages, using the name that is shorter ;) |
| 14:27.06 | xyu | or try what Ellipsis just said |
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| 14:27.12 | Fin | Tekkub: could it be possible to have the TourGuide frame disappear in combat? |
| 14:27.13 | xyu | i'm sure the item ID will be shorter |
| 14:27.17 | vithos | oh really. just use the number by itself? |
| 14:27.27 | Fin | Tekkub: it's not a big deal, I just want to put it somewhere that only shows up in combat |
| 14:27.30 | Tekkub | Fin: ask the gcode issue tracker |
| 14:27.49 | Fin | Tekkub: will do |
| 14:28.03 | vithos | oh, item:number |
| 14:28.06 | vithos | sweet. |
| 14:28.21 | Tekkub | er, to be more precise, it's definatly possible, ask the tracker if you want it to actually happen |
| 14:28.34 | Recluse | i find the TG frame so tiny it doesn't bother me, and sometimes i like to browse objectives while in battle XD |
| 14:28.35 | Tekkub | cause I've already forgotten whatever it was |
| 14:28.45 | Tekkub | don't have room to remember trivial stuff |
| 14:29.16 | Tekkub | you can't browse in combat... |
| 14:31.21 | xyu | holy crap, position in WWS queue 1209 |
| 14:31.39 | xyu | didn't know there was such a demand for seeing parses at this time :D |
| 14:31.56 | Recluse | is it possible to hmm, how to say it... resize a fubar's 'caption' based on pixel width? |
| 14:32.19 | Recluse | * a fubar addon's 'caption' |
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| 14:48.01 | Pkekyo| | g'morning all |
| 14:48.22 | genetik- | morning |
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| 14:50.09 | Grum | xyu: wowstats servers seem overloaded since a day orso |
| 14:50.48 | genetik- | yeah.. i'm having trouble uploading the logs from last night |
| 14:52.45 | RaydenU | ok, greatest idea for wow |
| 14:52.54 | RaydenU | activity streams |
| 14:53.35 | Pkekyo| | ...? |
| 14:54.23 | RaydenU | familiar with facebook? |
| 14:54.30 | Ellipsis | oh god |
| 14:54.31 | Ellipsis | no |
| 14:54.32 | RaydenU | when you add pictures, add friends, do anything |
| 14:54.36 | RaydenU | it tells your friends, if you want |
| 14:54.43 | Ellipsis | WORST IDEA EVER. |
| 14:54.44 | RaydenU | add a similar system to wow |
| 14:54.50 | Grum | they should make a titbook.com as well! |
| 14:54.58 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: worst_fucking_idea EVER |
| 14:54.59 | RaydenU | let your friends know when you killed a boss or got a new awesome piece of gear or you leveled |
| 14:55.00 | RaydenU | why? |
| 14:55.16 | SunTsu | RaydenU: You basically want a blog |
| 14:55.17 | Ellipsis | that stuff is stupid enough on facebook |
| 14:55.20 | Ellipsis | nobody wants it in WoW |
| 14:55.27 | Pkekyo| | there's enough spam from goldfarmers, if your friends aren't gonna start spamming you as well |
| 14:55.39 | RaydenU | why? |
| 14:55.44 | Pkekyo| | >.< |
| 14:55.48 | RaydenU | you don't care if your friends kill a new raid boss? |
| 14:55.49 | Ellipsis | "hay guise I just enchanted [new epic] with [shiny new enchant] send me a tell if you think I'm cool now!" |
| 14:55.58 | RaydenU | you don't care if your friend got an awesome drop in the raid you missed last night? |
| 14:56.11 | Ellipsis | that's what guild forums are for |
| 14:56.14 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: not really...and if they care wether or not I know, they will be able to whisper me...if they can't be arsed to make the effort, sod it |
| 14:56.17 | winkiller | RaydenU: I have an armory parser for that |
| 14:56.22 | Ellipsis | you know, where they post a screenshot of the kill, and tell you who the loot went to |
| 14:56.24 | elusif | JoshBorke, ShenDK: my WTF folder was read only? would this expalin why it's empty and how do i fill it up again? |
| 14:56.25 | winkiller | aka winkiller's stalker tool |
| 14:56.39 | elusif | but that said auctioneer is saving its settings |
| 14:56.42 | RaydenU | but armory parser doesn't look at activity |
| 14:56.44 | Grum | elusif: make it not be readonly? |
| 14:56.54 | winkiller | it does if I dump the char daily |
| 14:56.55 | Grum | RaydenU: use a dkp system for it? |
| 14:57.02 | RaydenU | huh? |
| 14:57.08 | winkiller | I can tell you when rep was raised, when a new drop was equipped, etc |
| 14:57.32 | winkiller | good enough for me |
| 14:57.41 | RaydenU | so you guys agree that it's good for people to communicate when they kill bosses or get cool gear |
| 14:57.42 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: it's just a bad idea, that nobody wants... |
| 14:57.45 | SunTsu | winkiller: No. You can tell when armoury notes that it happend ;) |
| 14:57.51 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: not necessarily |
| 14:57.53 | RaydenU | you just want to be forced into doing it manually on a website, not built into the game... |
| 14:57.56 | winkiller | yeah, still good enough .) |
| 14:58.08 | Pkekyo| | but if they absolutely want to, they can bloody tell you themselves |
| 14:58.17 | RaydenU | what if armory generated an RSS feed of what bosses you killed, what gear you picked up |
| 14:58.33 | SunTsu | winkiller: Well, my mage had no gloves and no helmet on armory for about 30 levels... |
| 14:58.36 | Pkekyo| | what about it? |
| 14:58.40 | RaydenU | that seems to be missing the point Pkekyo| |
| 14:58.42 | winkiller | SunTsu: yeah ok >< |
| 14:58.43 | Stan_ | RaydenU: getbuffed.com does that |
| 14:58.58 | winkiller | wowjutsu also notes drops |
| 14:59.13 | winkiller | char x got new Alar gloves -> guild killed alar |
| 14:59.17 | RaydenU | wowjutsu hasn't updated for my guild since christmas |
| 14:59.25 | Grum | then update it manually? |
| 14:59.27 | winkiller | I had my Alar gloves 2h after the kill |
| 14:59.32 | winkiller | on wowjutsu |
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| 14:59.41 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: if my friends' wow started spamming me with crap like that automatically I would have them hanged |
| 14:59.52 | winkiller | ol |
| 14:59.52 | RaydenU | well you'd have to implement it properly duh |
| 14:59.56 | winkiller | should be polled |
| 14:59.58 | winkiller | noz pushed |
| 15:00.15 | RaydenU | you look at your friends list and when you click on their name in addition to giving you a note, it shows their activity stream |
| 15:00.27 | RaydenU | or you could add it to one of your chat channels if you want |
| 15:00.43 | elusif | grum ok i have |
| 15:00.48 | elusif | do i need to restart wow? |
| 15:00.52 | Pkekyo| | still...what's the point? it's not needed for anything at all |
| 15:00.55 | RaydenU | You are grinding some stupid quest and you get a note "Your friend Bob and his guild just downed Gruul for the first time." |
| 15:00.59 | RaydenU | social networking? |
| 15:01.00 | SunTsu | There are some WoW "communities" who have a profiler for things like that, just like buffed.de |
| 15:01.12 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: l2facebook |
| 15:01.33 | RaydenU | exactly |
| 15:01.41 | RaydenU | MMOs are lagging when it comes to social networking tools |
| 15:01.42 | elusif | guys |
| 15:01.46 | Pkekyo| | messages saying "+5 ashbringer reputation" is NOT social networking |
| 15:01.49 | elusif | is it only mod files stored in WTF? |
| 15:02.01 | Health | macros |
| 15:02.08 | Health | cache |
| 15:02.09 | elusif | cause mine's empty |
| 15:02.21 | elusif | and i've changed it back from read only |
| 15:02.23 | elusif | wondering if i should reinstall |
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| 15:02.31 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: no, PMs on facebook = mail/whispers ingame... guestbooks on facebook = chat channels...WE DO NOT NEED STUPD BUNNY DRESSUP GAMES IN WOW |
| 15:02.44 | Pkekyo| | dressing up a fucking bunny is NOT social networking |
| 15:02.45 | xyu | if you want facebook for wow. try www.rupture.com that is all :P |
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| 15:03.08 | RaydenU | i'm not saying we recreate facebook in wow |
| 15:03.10 | RaydenU | not at all |
| 15:03.15 | RaydenU | that would be terrible |
| 15:03.24 | RaydenU | i'm just saying there are some ideas we could take from there |
| 15:03.26 | Grum | elusif: you have to do any changes to your WTF dir without having wow running, especially if you are touching files that will be written/modified/read by wow again |
| 15:03.34 | Dezzimal | if you want facebook for wow you should probably apply for Chief Executive officer of Hell |
| 15:03.41 | Zicon | I have someone I want to dress up as a bunny in WoW. |
| 15:03.44 | RaydenU | but don't let me stop you from loudly rejecting all of it without thinking about it first :) |
| 15:03.49 | Zicon | Only one person, though, so it probably doesn't count. |
| 15:04.21 | Pkekyo| | Dezzimalif you want facebook for wow you should probably apply for Chief Executive officer of Hell <--- TRUTH |
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| 15:05.15 | Health | kk |
| 15:05.17 | elusif | grum: i don't want to make changes - i just want it to not be empty |
| 15:05.23 | RaydenU | i can see you guys aren't ready for the social networking revolution |
| 15:05.25 | RaydenU | :P |
| 15:05.27 | elusif | i've reastarted wow and changed it from read only |
| 15:05.30 | elusif | it's still empty |
| 15:05.37 | xyu | ARG, casting on a target that is going to die, switching targets and loading up another fireball interrupts the last fireball. it's so annoying i want to shoot somethign. |
| 15:05.41 | elusif | but my mods are getting data from somewhere because auctioneer appears to have a database in game |
| 15:05.46 | Grum | elusif: wow will write stuff on exit |
| 15:05.48 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: there's enough spam in wow as it is, and there's more than enough social networking tools in wow as it is...wether or not you see them for what they are, i sanother discussion... |
| 15:05.53 | SunTsu | RaydenU: I'd be, if the german laws were'nt that strict on shotguns and stuff |
| 15:06.08 | elusif | i have exited |
| 15:06.10 | RaydenU | what? |
| 15:06.13 | elusif | it's still empty |
| 15:06.16 | elusif | no .lua files |
| 15:06.29 | Grum | so, exit wow, make sure its writable, start wow, get ingame, exist wow |
| 15:06.32 | elusif | and the folder keeps jumping back to read only |
| 15:06.50 | Grum | windows? mac? linux(wine/cedega?) |
| 15:07.07 | SunTsu | RaydenU: Basically I am saying that everybody participating in the sovial networking datamining revolution deserves to be shot ;) |
| 15:07.12 | elusif | vista |
| 15:07.19 | elusif | i uncheck the read only box |
| 15:07.20 | Grum | elusif: my concolences |
| 15:07.21 | elusif | click apply |
| 15:07.21 | RaydenU | why? |
| 15:07.22 | elusif | and ok |
| 15:07.28 | elusif | then when i click properties |
| 15:07.30 | Grum | s/co/do |
| 15:07.31 | elusif | it's read only again! |
| 15:07.46 | Grum | are you 200% sure that you have only 1 wow dir on yourwhole system? |
| 15:08.06 | elusif | ok |
| 15:08.07 | elusif | yes |
| 15:08.11 | RaydenU | SunTsu why? |
| 15:08.13 | elusif | the main wow folder was read onlt too |
| 15:08.15 | Xinhuan | where is your wow installed? |
| 15:08.23 | Xinhuan | paste the folder path |
| 15:08.24 | elusif | i changed that and selected it to do the sub folders aswell |
| 15:08.31 | elusif | in program files |
| 15:08.31 | Grum | it might be the user you installed wow with or run wow with |
| 15:08.37 | elusif | there's only one user |
| 15:08.45 | Xinhuan | move wow out from that folder |
| 15:08.47 | Grum | in either case, you should upgrade to WindowsXP |
| 15:08.55 | elusif | OMG |
| 15:08.55 | Xinhuan | vista has some silly protection on the program files folder |
| 15:08.59 | SunTsu | RaydenU: Because you give up a great more deal of privacy than one really wants. |
| 15:08.59 | elusif | it's back to read only again! |
| 15:09.12 | Xinhuan | it will write protect everything in the program files folder |
| 15:09.23 | Xinhuan | i repeat, move/copy your entire wow out from that folder |
| 15:09.26 | Xinhuan | to anywhere else |
| 15:09.33 | Xinhuan | such as C:\Games\World of Warcraf\ |
| 15:09.38 | RaydenU | SunTsu only in a poorly designed system |
| 15:09.42 | Xinhuan | anywhere but program files |
| 15:09.52 | RaydenU | i will admit many social networking sites completely fail |
| 15:09.54 | Xinhuan | after moving it |
| 15:10.01 | Xinhuan | make sure its no longer write protected |
| 15:10.06 | RaydenU | i'm taking a class on Online Identity right now, so cool |
| 15:10.31 | elusif | then what xinhuan? |
| 15:10.38 | Xinhuan | then try again |
| 15:10.44 | elusif | can i put it back in program files? |
| 15:10.46 | Grum | no |
| 15:10.47 | Xinhuan | no |
| 15:10.47 | Grum | never |
| 15:10.49 | Xinhuan | don't ever do that |
| 15:10.53 | Grum | as i said, upgrade to windowsXP |
| 15:10.58 | Xinhuan | vista specifically protects C:\Program Files\ |
| 15:10.59 | Grum | there is no valid reason in the world to use Vista |
| 15:11.01 | Xinhuan | and everything in it |
| 15:11.21 | Josh_Borke | grum: that's an opinion :-) |
| 15:11.24 | Xinhuan | just mvoe the wow folder out and run wow from there |
| 15:11.35 | Grum | 90% of the problems people have with vista is cause by retarded new implementations they have |
| 15:11.40 | elusif | all my bittorrents are slow with vista |
| 15:11.54 | Grum | same with the stuff they have in XP, the stuff you by default turn off the second you boot into your system the first time |
| 15:11.55 | elusif | they work for a week after each install |
| 15:12.08 | elusif | i'm gonn a try moving wow |
| 15:12.10 | Grum | Josh_Borke: its a fact that vista is still alpha |
| 15:12.23 | SunTsu | elusif: So, just go back to XP |
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| 15:12.39 | Grum | same as win2k sp0 was still alpha, sp1=beta, sp2 was the first usable release |
| 15:12.39 | Xinhuan | you don't have to reinstall wow, just move the folder |
| 15:12.43 | elusif | omfg |
| 15:12.47 | elusif | it says i can't move the folder |
| 15:12.51 | elusif | that i need permission |
| 15:12.51 | Grum | then copy it |
| 15:12.53 | elusif | i'm the admin |
| 15:12.55 | elusif | k |
| 15:12.57 | Xinhuan | yes, un write-protect it first |
| 15:12.59 | Xinhuan | then move it |
| 15:13.02 | Xinhuan | or copy it |
| 15:13.05 | Shirik | Vista is not nearly as bad as everyone keeps saying it is |
| 15:13.14 | RaydenU | i would like for wow to support the ability to join multiple groups |
| 15:13.19 | Grum | Shirik: see how much trouble you have to go through for the simplest thing |
| 15:13.19 | Shirik | But I'm not going to get into this debate again because people have this thing against microsoft and refuse to use anything of theirs |
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| 15:13.25 | Ellipsis | /sigh |
| 15:13.27 | SunTsu | elusif: I hope ypu don't work as admin |
| 15:13.30 | Shirik | Grum: And that's different from linux... how? |
| 15:13.31 | elusif | lol |
| 15:13.32 | elusif | FU |
| 15:13.33 | RaydenU | Visual Studio is awesome |
| 15:13.34 | elusif | :D |
| 15:13.37 | Grum | any advanced user will be seriously offended by all the 'kindergarten' protection they have put into it |
| 15:13.42 | Shirik | And if you REALLY have SO MUCH trouble with it, you can always turn it off |
| 15:13.53 | Ellipsis | windows isn't designed for advanced users, Grum, surely you know that by now |
| 15:13.57 | elusif | i'm going to change to ubuntu soon |
| 15:14.00 | Shirik | And I'm not getting into the same damn argument again, it's pointless, because people don't listen. |
| 15:14.00 | Grum | clearly :P |
| 15:14.05 | Shirik | And it's the same thing over and over again |
| 15:14.05 | RaydenU | advanced users? |
| 15:14.08 | RaydenU | depends on what you are doing |
| 15:14.27 | Grum | Shirik: so you can actually turn all the 'advanced' protection features off in Vista? |
| 15:14.33 | Shirik | Sure. But I don't because it's stupid. |
| 15:14.41 | Mjrn | shiril |
| 15:14.47 | Mjrn | mt |
| 15:14.50 | xyu | I do |
| 15:14.57 | Shirik | I don't want every program I have to have root access to my computer |
| 15:15.00 | Xinhuan | elusif, wow doesn't use the registry in any way btw, so you can just move wow anywhere you want |
| 15:15.07 | elusif | cool |
| 15:15.09 | elusif | it's copying |
| 15:15.13 | Grum | Shirik: why not? it doesnt matter at all :) |
| 15:15.18 | Xinhuan | you can uninstall wow from program files later |
| 15:15.26 | [KzM]Fatalis | what event would i use for when battleground ends and score board comes up |
| 15:15.27 | Shirik | Uh, if you can say that I'm just going to stop talking to you |
| 15:15.28 | Xinhuan | all wow uses registry for is to store the installpath |
| 15:15.29 | elusif | i'm very curious as to where cart and auctioneer were getting their databases from? |
| 15:15.34 | elusif | if the folder was read only |
| 15:15.43 | Xinhuan | _data |
| 15:15.51 | Xinhuan | cartographer_data contains a copy of all nodes |
| 15:15.56 | elusif | in interface/addons? |
| 15:16.07 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 15:16.07 | elusif | well |
| 15:16.16 | elusif | the only notes on myt maps are ones i've encountered |
| 15:16.24 | Xinhuan | those are saved in WTF |
| 15:16.29 | elusif | no they're not |
| 15:16.36 | elusif | because my WTF is read only |
| 15:16.42 | elusif | so where was it saving them like? |
| 15:17.02 | Mjrn | cartographer stores the data in its own folder |
| 15:17.03 | Recluse | it saved them cross-session with no writable wtf? |
| 15:17.07 | Shirik|AFK | Are you on vista? |
| 15:17.10 | elusif | yes |
| 15:17.13 | Mjrn | in addons |
| 15:17.16 | Shirik|AFK | Then it's probably saving it in your virtual store |
| 15:17.16 | Grum | downgrade to xp! ;D |
| 15:17.19 | Xinhuan | ^ |
| 15:17.22 | Grum | virtual store? ;D |
| 15:17.22 | elusif | lol |
| 15:17.24 | Shirik|AFK | You should NOT have WoW installed in your program files |
| 15:17.25 | Grum | wth ? :) |
| 15:17.29 | Xinhuan | in vista, wow stores your WTF in a different location |
| 15:17.29 | Grum | Shirik|AFK: why not? |
| 15:17.33 | Grum | because its vista? |
| 15:17.33 | Xinhuan | if it is in program files |
| 15:17.36 | elusif | program files is the default place for wow |
| 15:17.40 | Shirik|AFK | Because WoW is not designed with vista in mind, WoW is coded horribly |
| 15:17.46 | Grum | no, vista is |
| 15:17.47 | Shirik|AFK | it's been ignoring best practices since Win2k |
| 15:17.49 | Mjrn | lol. |
| 15:17.49 | elusif | or is it vista? |
| 15:17.50 | Shirik|AFK | NO |
| 15:17.50 | elusif | lol |
| 15:17.53 | elusif | lmfao |
| 15:18.01 | Shirik|AFK | These issues have been since 2k |
| 15:18.08 | Shirik|AFK | Microsoft has said this is NOT how you should code a program |
| 15:18.08 | Mjrn | vista is the one that's coded horribly. |
| 15:18.08 | Grum | not really |
| 15:18.10 | Shirik|AFK | but people don't listen |
| 15:18.11 | elusif | but wow works great under xp |
| 15:18.21 | Grum | i've had wow installed in 2k/xp ... |
| 15:18.22 | Shirik|AFK | Because XP ignored the stupidity that was int he program, Vista didn't. |
| 15:18.35 | SunTsu | Shirik|AFK: Maybe because there isn't only Windows to consider |
| 15:18.37 | Shirik|AFK | Programs should NEVER modify their program files folder |
| 15:18.37 | elusif | shouldn't they have made vista reverse compat? |
| 15:18.40 | Grum | oh .. so vista decides stuff on its own, doesnt inform the user |
| 15:18.43 | Grum | who clever! |
| 15:18.45 | Grum | *how |
| 15:18.50 | Shirik|AFK | elusif: They did. You can run WoW as an administrator |
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| 15:18.53 | xyu | me clever! |
| 15:18.59 | Mjrn | rational sense says programs should be able to be installed in the Programs folder |
| 15:19.02 | Grum | the least it could have done is leave a shortcut from your WTF folder to the 'real' folder in the 'virtual store' .. >< |
| 15:19.09 | Shirik|AFK | Mjrn: No shit, but they shouldn't have to modify their own folder |
| 15:19.13 | Grum | why not? |
| 15:19.16 | Grum | its *THEIR* folder |
| 15:19.18 | SunTsu | .o0( Rational sense is that the OS should do as the admin says ;) ) |
| 15:19.19 | Shirik|AFK | Because that's what %APPDATA% is for |
| 15:19.33 | Shirik|AFK | christ, if you don't know windows programming just stop arguing, I'm sick of saying the same things over and over again on a daily basis |
| 15:19.42 | chiper | WoW's storing of user data in the app folder is one of the best things the program has |
| 15:19.46 | xyu | you should macro it |
| 15:19.48 | chiper | it makes it completely portable |
| 15:19.53 | Shirik|AFK | There are best practices, they should be followed |
| 15:19.53 | Grum | windows programming ... scatter shit allover the place, rub it in the walls ..then call it vista! |
| 15:19.59 | SunTsu | chiper: so fully ACK |
| 15:20.04 | Shirik|AFK | Windows programming is not how windows is coded genius |
| 15:20.04 | elusif | ya |
| 15:20.07 | Mjrn | chiper: I agree |
| 15:20.09 | elusif | it's now in the games folder |
| 15:20.10 | Shirik|AFK | It's how the programs for windows are coded |
| 15:20.16 | elusif | it still won't let me change wow from read only!!!!! |
| 15:20.29 | elusif | i uncheck read only |
| 15:20.29 | Shirik|AFK | I give up, like I said people don't listen because they have stuck in their head "vista sucks" without any reason other than FUD |
| 15:20.35 | elusif | click apply to all sub dirs |
| 15:20.36 | elusif | click |
| 15:20.37 | elusif | ok |
| 15:20.44 | chiper | I have a copy of the install on an external drive that I carry around with me, I can play wow on any computer with my full addon setup and all my user settings. all I have to do is sync the interface and WTF folders occasionally. it's brilliant |
| 15:20.46 | elusif | then when i look in properties again it's read only! |
| 15:20.55 | Grum | Shirik|AFK: instead of argueing how 'good vista is', come with a solution from your 'good vista' that helps elusif get a simple program working |
| 15:21.03 | Shirik|AFK | My simple programs work |
| 15:21.07 | chiper | it also means I dont have to go through that gruling 5 hour install process every time I need to put WoW on a new machine, I can just copy the program |
| 15:21.09 | Shirik|AFK | Because I know how to code for Vista (and XP/2k) |
| 15:21.09 | elusif | please help |
| 15:21.13 | Shirik|AFK | Programmers are morons. Period. |
| 15:21.15 | Mjrn | you're the one who doesn't listen or give anyone else's opinion an inch |
| 15:21.23 | xyu | morans |
| 15:21.25 | SunTsu | Shirik|AFK: I honestly don't know Vista. I don't know whether it sucks or not. But I, as an admin, don't like an OS to tell me what I can do and what not, because the OS is there do my will, not I am there to do it's |
| 15:21.29 | Shirik|AFK | They have been for a very long itme. |
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| 15:21.40 | Grum | Shirik|AFK: no, vista is moronic to just change it from 2k/xp -> vista without leaving a trace |
| 15:21.48 | elusif | please make wow dir not read only |
| 15:21.51 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUi would like for wow to support the ability to join multiple groups <--- that'd kinda ruin the idea of groups? :) |
| 15:22.04 | RaydenU | oh |
| 15:22.08 | RaydenU | sorry not questing groups |
| 15:22.11 | RaydenU | groups like in guilds |
| 15:22.15 | vithos | Shirik is right. %APPDATA% is where application data should be stored, not the install directory. that's how windows programs are intended to behave |
| 15:22.19 | Mjrn | raids are multiple groups :D |
| 15:22.26 | Pkekyo| | ok, it'd ruin the idea of guilds then |
| 15:22.31 | vithos | for the sake of multiuser systems |
| 15:22.32 | RaydenU | i want to have a group of friends i can chat with, but not be in the same guild |
| 15:22.36 | xyu | i think he means "an alliance" |
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| 15:22.43 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: make a custom channel >.< |
| 15:22.43 | xyu | a place where multiple guilds can organize |
| 15:22.47 | xyu | but have their own set of rules |
| 15:22.48 | Shirik|AFK | SunTsu: You're telling me you don't use Linux? Or some other Unix-based OS? |
| 15:22.55 | Grum | vithos: *should* be but not must be, enforcing it and breaking something for a user is worse than having it 'pollute' the install folder |
| 15:22.57 | RaydenU | in wow i have two kinds of friends: those in my guild and those not. that's just silly |
| 15:23.04 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: make a custom channel >.< |
| 15:23.07 | SunTsu | Shirik|AFK: Well, after all I do |
| 15:23.12 | RaydenU | Pkekyo| just because it *can* be done with the current system, doesn't mean it can't be improved |
| 15:23.14 | Shirik|AFK | UAC is no different than escalating to root. You can't tell me as a system admin that you want all your programs running as root all the time. |
| 15:23.17 | xyu | a custom channel is hard to see who's online |
| 15:23.19 | xyu | you have to /chatwho |
| 15:23.23 | RaydenU | i know you can make custom channels |
| 15:23.23 | xyu | and it lists them |
| 15:23.27 | xyu | then you need to get classes |
| 15:23.27 | RaydenU | but it's not ideal for this |
| 15:23.39 | vithos | Grum: it doesn't break anything. Vista automatically redirects the IO from the install directory to somewhere in the user's homedir. or that's what i've been told. i don't use vista |
| 15:23.39 | Pkekyo| | yes, it is |
| 15:23.39 | xyu | I understand what he's saying. There is a way but it's just not ideal |
| 15:23.44 | Pkekyo| | several guilds per char, however, is not |
| 15:23.49 | Shirik|AFK | vithos: That's correct |
| 15:23.56 | Recluse | xyu: you can just hit O and change to the chat tab these days |
| 15:23.58 | Pkekyo| | make a raidgroup with all your friends in it if a custom channel doesn't fit you |
| 15:24.00 | Grum | vithos: the problem is, if it does it that smart - at least leave a trace so a user can follow it |
| 15:24.03 | Shirik|AFK | For 99% of applications that's perfectly fine |
| 15:24.04 | RaydenU | Pkekyo| you in a bad mood or something today? you seem to be shooting down everything i say without acknowledging that any of it might be useful |
| 15:24.15 | Shirik|AFK | However for 1% of applications (WoW included) it just confuses people because they look for something that's not there |
| 15:24.24 | xyu | Recluse: Oh really? i must have it unbound. Is that in the "keybindings? |
| 15:24.26 | RaydenU | this grouping problem isn't specific to wow |
| 15:24.27 | Shirik|AFK | But anyone with a brain could figure out where that virtualstore is |
| 15:24.31 | elusif | can you please help me with wow and vista? |
| 15:24.34 | RaydenU | it occurs in most every social software out there |
| 15:24.38 | elusif | instead of arguing about not being able to help me? |
| 15:24.39 | chiper | Shirik|AFK: I agree with you that it is a proper procedure for the user settings to be stored in the user folder, but personally I am very happy that WoW doesnt scatter files all over the drive |
| 15:24.41 | SunTsu | Shirik|AFK: Of course I don't want to run them as root. _But_ If I am root I just want the OS to do everything I say, even if I want to shoot my own foot |
| 15:24.52 | Recluse | should be - just the Social pane - could also get it from the micromenu |
| 15:24.58 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: no, I usually agree with your ideas, but on this one I mean the direct oposite |
| 15:25.26 | RaydenU | as far as how good wow is in terms of online identity and social setup, it's one of the best games out there |
| 15:25.28 | Shirik|AFK | SunTsu: You can always escalate to root when you want to. Once you have given an application root permissions, it is passed on to all its children. So if you open an administrator control panel, there's no more popups |
| 15:25.32 | RaydenU | doesn't mean there aren't problems with it |
| 15:25.33 | Zicon | Couldn't you have an addon emulate some of the guild functionality using a custom channel as "guild chat", though? |
| 15:25.38 | Mjrn | most applications you download for vista just don't work properly because they want higher access than user, but lower than root |
| 15:25.41 | Shirik|AFK | But I must go now, take care |
| 15:25.47 | SunTsu | Shirik|AFK: You too |
| 15:25.56 | Mjrn | for instance, when I installed trillian |
| 15:26.06 | Grum | SunTsu: that is the biggest issue i have with windows |
| 15:26.12 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: I can't see how your suggestions would improve it in any way |
| 15:26.12 | Grum | 'administrator' is not really 'administrator' |
| 15:26.26 | Mjrn | I can't save preferences or skin changes unless I quit and run as admin |
| 15:26.27 | vithos | Grum: sure, they could store some kind of metadata tag and display a notice in explorer to the user if redirection has occured. but i don't think they did a bad thing by not doing that. most users don't need to mess with program files; the ones that do should be informed enough to know about this issue, otherwise they probably shouldn't be messing with program files in the first place |
| 15:26.30 | xyu | "rent-a-administrator" ? |
| 15:27.07 | RaydenU | this doesn't make any sense to me |
| 15:27.14 | Xinhuan | its really simple elusif, just make sure your wow is installed outside c:\program files\ |
| 15:27.19 | Xinhuan | and your issues are fixed |
| 15:27.23 | RaydenU | on wowjutsu it has a list of future guilds to update. there are often 3 guilds from the same server all next to each other |
| 15:27.25 | RaydenU | why would that be? |
| 15:27.26 | chiper | the portability of WoW is one of the greatest things blizzard did. it's not sloppy coding, it's intentional genius. it's not blizzard's fault that microsoft decided the only way to have a secure OS was to have it be a dictator |
| 15:27.31 | RaydenU | http://wowjutsu.com/updateprogress.html |
| 15:27.48 | Grum | RaydenU: it updates the fully TBC cleared guilds first |
| 15:27.57 | RaydenU | the what? |
| 15:27.58 | sag_ich_nicht | [09:11] <Xinhuan> sag_ich_nicht pong <--ping |
| 15:27.59 | Grum | because for them the tiny changes in scores matter |
| 15:28.05 | RaydenU | oh |
| 15:28.12 | Xinhuan | Grum: which is counter productive - guilds that already killed illidan don't really need updates |
| 15:28.23 | Grum | they do, you get points for the amount of kills as well |
| 15:28.25 | Pkekyo| | "Could not save download to the folderC:\Documents and Settings\******\My Documents\My Music, because you do not have write access to it." <--- I thought it wasn't supposed to be possible for a folder to be write-protected? |
| 15:28.31 | Xinhuan | yes but you doon't need daily updates on those |
| 15:28.40 | RaydenU | grum look at the botton US-Aegwynn (one guild has 26, one 139, one 320) why are those next to each other? |
| 15:28.42 | Grum | author thinks it does |
| 15:28.43 | Xinhuan | since your ranking is fixed by date of first illidan kill |
| 15:28.46 | Xinhuan | it isn't by points |
| 15:28.52 | RaydenU | it can't be that they all requested to be updated at the same time |
| 15:28.54 | Grum | RaydenU: prolly random? |
| 15:28.58 | SunTsu | Grum: Right now I am stuck with windows while playing WoW, I am working on it, but new hardware + FreeBSD +Wine is not the easiest thing today ;) If I use FBSD/amd64 everything works great - except Wine, because Wine does not run on FBSD/amd64 ;) So I could use FBSD/i386 but that would not use the machine to it's possibilities... |
| 15:29.05 | RaydenU | Grum happens too often to be random i think |
| 15:29.16 | elusif | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.16 | elusif | It will save all of your custom configurations there instead of the C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft folder. You can delete your settings by going to the folder above or moving the game outside of the World of Warcraft folder. |
| 15:29.17 | Grum | SunTsu: i'd say use Cedega |
| 15:29.21 | Xinhuan | ranking for guilds that has killed illidan is by date of illidan kill - not by points Grum |
| 15:29.26 | elusif | there's the virtual store |
| 15:29.26 | Grum | but not sure if that is linked to debian-like or not |
| 15:29.31 | sag_ich_nicht | Pkekyo| no, but you can set the security directives that way |
| 15:29.33 | sag_ich_nicht | anyway |
| 15:29.38 | Grum | Xinhuan: i know |
| 15:29.53 | Pkekyo| | sag_ich_nicht: elaborate? |
| 15:30.00 | Grum | but there is another algorithm as well that nudges per kill |
| 15:30.10 | SunTsu | Grum: Which does not run on FBSD at all. I am so close to swith to Linux, which I don't really like to, because I am a BSD fan and just have enough linux around me |
| 15:30.23 | sag_ich_nicht | Pkekyo|: ACL |
| 15:30.24 | sag_ich_nicht | ~ACL |
| 15:30.25 | purl | Colorizes log files using advanced parsing capabilities.. URL: http://www.LinuxRC.org/projects/acl/ |
| 15:30.28 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 15:30.30 | sag_ich_nicht | no. |
| 15:30.40 | SunTsu | .o0( Access Control Lists? ;) ) |
| 15:31.04 | Pkekyo| | my user has unlimited access to folders, if that's the tree you're barking up |
| 15:31.14 | Grum | RaydenU: you did http://wowjutsu.com/addguild.php ? |
| 15:31.15 | sag_ich_nicht | purl, no, ACL is Access Control List, or something to colorize log files using advanced parsing capabilities.. URL: http://www.LinuxRC.org/projects/acl/ |
| 15:31.16 | purl | okay, sag_ich_nicht |
| 15:31.20 | sag_ich_nicht | ~ACL |
| 15:31.20 | purl | methinks acl is Access Control List, or something to colorize log files using advanced parsing capabilities.. URL: http://www.LinuxRC.org/projects/acl/ |
| 15:31.21 | Pkekyo| | meh, localized expressions need to sound less retarded in english :p |
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| 15:31.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ANYWAY |
| 15:32.07 | RaydenU | Grum we are already on, i just wanted an update. we don't show on that page yet |
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| 15:32.09 | RaydenU | did you want a link? |
| 15:32.15 | RaydenU | http://wowjutsu.com/us/destromath/Sab%F8tage |
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| 15:32.40 | Pkekyo| | sag_ich_nicht: I'm still awaiting that elaboration of yours |
| 15:33.01 | Hjalte | Something suddenly made my tooltips (using cowtip) font go bold >.< |
| 15:33.12 | sag_ich_nicht | Pkekyo|: you can give a read only permission for folders using ACLs which is handled seperatly from the "normal" file system permissions |
| 15:33.14 | Xinhuan | [1/17 23:27:54] <sag_ich_nicht> [09:11] <Xinhuan> sag_ich_nicht pong <--ping <-- pong |
| 15:33.33 | sag_ich_nicht | Xinhuan: there seems to be an oversight in blizzards code for the raid dropdown menus for players, making it pretty easy to break them. i'm not sure where it's coming from, but the end result is that the "promote to MT" and "promote to MA" buttons are gone, and that the raid window in general gets a bit buggy |
| 15:33.47 | Pkekyo| | sag_ich_nicht: and how/why would that happen automaticly? |
| 15:33.48 | Pkekyo| | also: got manual write access to the folder |
| 15:33.54 | Xinhuan | sounds exactly like what millions of users are experiencing |
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| 15:34.01 | Grum | Xinhuan: yeah hehe |
| 15:34.05 | Xinhuan | but in any case, its an addon issue |
| 15:34.09 | elusif | what'sa the mod that will auto update other mods? |
| 15:34.10 | sag_ich_nicht | well DUH |
| 15:34.13 | Grum | now the question. which one |
| 15:34.21 | Xinhuan | so, your question is..? |
| 15:34.26 | Pkekyo| | elusif: WAU? |
| 15:34.29 | elusif | ? |
| 15:34.30 | Grum | elusif: there is no such thing, but you might be looking for WAU |
| 15:34.33 | Pkekyo| | ~WAU |
| 15:34.34 | purl | [wau] WowAceUpdater, found at http://www.wowace.com/wau/publish.htm - Easy mass update to all the addons you have installed from the Wowace repository, where many Ace addons reside. |
| 15:34.44 | elusif | ahh k |
| 15:34.49 | sag_ich_nicht | I haven't been able to isolate the cause for this, but i've isolated one addon that causes this: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/3280/ and since i know you like fixing bugs in blizzards code, i thought you might find it interesting :P |
| 15:34.55 | elusif | ty |
| 15:35.02 | Xinhuan | no |
| 15:35.07 | sag_ich_nicht | okay. |
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| 15:38.16 | sag_ich_nicht | well then, anyone have an idea how this could be caused? >.> |
| 15:38.23 | Ellipsis | !c us cenarius ellipsis |
| 15:38.26 | ThraeBot | Ellipsis: Ellipsis, Level 70 Human Warlock (43/0/18). 9070 HP; 7885 Mana; 113 mana regen; 120 spell crit; 178 spell hit; 841 +spell dmg; 179 frost dmg (1020); 230 shadow dmg (1071); 4.36% dodge;[[ TBR: 1097 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/28t2ez ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2u3bz9 ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 10:45:41 2008 EST ]] |
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| 15:38.41 | sag_ich_nicht | hmm |
| 15:38.42 | elusif | !c eu outland elusif |
| 15:38.44 | ThraeBot | elusif: Elusif, Level 29 Gnome Rogue (5/15/0). 886 HP; 50.300 Melee DPS; 11.35% melee crit; 15.66% dodge; 10 arcane resist (+10);[[ TBR: 447 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2zym3j ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3dbc8z ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 10:45:59 2008 EST ]] |
| 15:38.47 | Pkekyo| | zomg, ThraeBot actually works? O.o |
| 15:38.47 | elusif | woot! |
| 15:38.53 | Pkekyo| | haven't seen that for a while |
| 15:39.00 | sag_ich_nicht | !vs EU Gul'dan Ruknor US Cenarius Ellipsis |
| 15:39.24 | sag_ich_nicht | oh great i broke it. |
| 15:39.35 | elusif | !c EU Gul'dan Ruknor US Cenarius Ellipsis |
| 15:39.45 | RaydenU | how many people are talking in here right now? |
| 15:39.46 | sag_ich_nicht | no no |
| 15:39.51 | sag_ich_nicht | !vs EU Gul'dan Ruknor vs US Cenarius Ellipsis |
| 15:39.52 | elusif | millions |
| 15:39.53 | sag_ich_nicht | hm |
| 15:39.55 | sag_ich_nicht | broken! |
| 15:39.56 | sag_ich_nicht | !vs |
| 15:39.58 | Pkekyo| | RaydenU: 4-5? |
| 15:40.01 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Ruknor vs Ellipsis! A L70 paladin and a L70 warlock square off!; 5/8/48 vs 43/0/18; Ruknor wins by 900 TBRs! ***OWNED!*** |
| 15:40.02 | ThraeBot | elusif: Ellipsis is not the character you are looking for! |
| 15:40.03 | RaydenU | http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/GroupSatisfaction.jpg |
| 15:40.14 | sag_ich_nicht | Ellipsis :> |
| 15:40.17 | elusif | hello? |
| 15:40.19 | elusif | hello? |
| 15:40.25 | elusif | is it me you're looking for? |
| 15:40.27 | RaydenU | http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2005/08/dunbar_world_of.html |
| 15:40.38 | Pkekyo| | more social networking? |
| 15:40.38 | Grum | !c eu doomhammer taralish |
| 15:41.03 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: I failed on the first listed character. You fail. |
| 15:41.09 | ThraeBot | Grum: Taralish, Level 70 Human Warlock (0/21/40). 8673 HP; 9342 Mana; 137 mana regen; 425 spell crit; 203 spell hit; 1068 +spell dmg; 54 frost dmg (1122); 54 shadow dmg (1122); 5.16% dodge; +25 all resists;[[ TBR: 934 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2y6oma ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/3al9tp ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 10:48:24 2008 EST ]] |
| 15:41.37 | sb | sag_ich_nicht, yes, you fail! |
| 15:41.42 | sag_ich_nicht | sb die. |
| 15:41.54 | sb | why? :( |
| 15:42.35 | SunTsu | !vs eu Nozdormu Rathragos eu Nozdormu Vorador |
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| 15:43.35 | ThraeBot | SunTsu: I failed on the first listed character. You fail. |
| 15:43.53 | xyu | !c us Sargeras Xyu |
| 15:44.22 | SunTsu | !vs eu Nozdormu Tivlosh eu Nozdormu Maltrigol |
| 15:44.27 | Recluse | xyu: love the song at the beginning of the tour =3 |
| 15:44.38 | xyu | ya! ^^ |
| 15:44.46 | ThraeBot | xyu: Xyu, Level 70 Undead Mage (2/47/11). 8373 HP; 8771 Mana; 170 mana regen; 298 spell crit; 167 spell hit; 1061 +spell dmg/heal; 51 fire dmg (1112); 4.94% dodge; 59 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1083 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ywsb74 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2s5yc3 ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 10:52:01 2008 EST ]] |
| 15:44.48 | ThraeBot | SunTsu: I failed on the first listed character. You fail. |
| 15:44.58 | Grum | !c eu doomhammer xaros |
| 15:45.00 | Grum | nubpriest! |
| 15:45.00 | ThraeBot | Grum: Xaros, Level 70 Human Priest (20/41/0). 8881 HP; 10515 Mana; 407 mana regen; 210 mp5; 718 +spell dmg; 1923 +heal; 5.58% dodge;[[ TBR: 697 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yt3x4s ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2vf4b2 ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 10:52:15 2008 EST ]] |
| 15:45.05 | SunTsu | !c eu Nozdormu Tivlosh |
| 15:45.05 | ThraeBot | SunTsu: Tivlosh is not the character you are looking for! |
| 15:45.16 | Pkekyo| | meh, this spam makes me wish ThraeBot was dead again : |
| 15:45.18 | Pkekyo| | :p |
| 15:45.30 | SunTsu | Pkekyo|: He nearly is ;) |
| 15:45.41 | Grum | grin |
| 15:46.17 | SunTsu | Or it is ignoring my chars on purpose |
| 15:46.26 | xyu | !vs eu doomhammer xaros us sargeras xyu |
| 15:46.26 | ThraeBot | xyu: Xaros vs Xyu! A L70 priest and a L70 mage square off!; 20/41/0 vs 2/47/11; Xyu wins by 357 TBRs! |
| 15:46.26 | SunTsu | !c eu Nozdormu Maltrigol |
| 15:46.27 | ThraeBot | SunTsu: Maltrigol is not the character you are looking for! |
| 15:46.33 | xyu | noob! |
| 15:47.15 | SunTsu | !c eu nozdormu Maltrigol |
| 15:47.15 | ThraeBot | SunTsu: Maltrigol is not the character you are looking for! |
| 15:47.34 | SunTsu | OK, forget about that |
| 15:48.18 | xyu | maybe you are misspelling your server name :P |
| 15:48.22 | SunTsu | xyu: I don't think so |
| 15:49.06 | Recluse | !c us Norgannon Foliage |
| 15:49.09 | ThraeBot | Recluse: Foliage, Level 70 Night Elf Druid (0/45/16). 10204 HP; 5540 Mana; 121 mana regen; 36 mp5; 5431 Armour; 98.200 Melee DPS; 9.92% melee crit; 33 melee hit; 38 +spell dmg; 108 +heal; 150 defense; 23.92% dodge; 137 resilience; 7 frost resist; 7 shadow resist; 7 fire resist; 17 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 837 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2fsyqb ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/329w5x ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 10:56:24 2008 EST ] |
| 15:49.35 | Recluse | bleh, still didn't update to bear form stats. laggy armor T_T |
| 15:49.44 | SunTsu | !c eu nozdormu Horradin |
| 15:49.47 | ThraeBot | SunTsu: Horradin, Level 70 Human Priest (13/0/48). 9791 HP; 8835 Mana; 186 mana regen; 56 mp5; 66 spell crit; 104 spell hit; 754 +spell dmg/heal; 233 frost dmg (987); 284 shadow dmg (1038); 4.98% dodge; 44 resilience;[[ TBR: 1369 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2xjo42 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2ste9y ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 10:57:02 2008 EST ]] |
| 15:49.51 | SunTsu | Dang |
| 15:50.19 | SunTsu | !c eu nozdormu Karambokel |
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| 15:51.20 | ThraeBot | SunTsu: Karambokel is not the character you are looking for! |
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| 15:52.16 | Vincy | hi |
| 15:52.34 | Recluse | hello |
| 15:52.44 | Elkano | mkay ;) |
| 15:53.27 | Vincy | hi elke:P |
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| 15:54.15 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 15:54.30 | Recluse | Elkano: wtb x/y input boxes for ebb group screen placement :p |
| 15:55.33 | SunTsu | Seems like ThraeBot doesn't find any of my chars. That looks like a need to worry |
| 15:56.32 | Recluse | SunTsu: armory's been buggy lately 'data not available' type errors all over the place, not updating to new data, etc |
| 15:57.14 | SunTsu | Recluse: I know, but I don't think this will only happen when asking for my chars |
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| 15:57.22 | Recluse | XD yeah |
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| 16:03.42 | vithos | hmm.. does /script not like creating frames for some reason? |
| 16:04.49 | vithos | i'm just wanting to test code without actually putting it in an addon and having to reloadui constantly |
| 16:05.06 | Dezzimal | how much extra rage is extra |
| 16:05.09 | Dezzimal | with zerker rage |
| 16:05.57 | Josh_Borke | vithos: i recommend wowlua or tinypad |
| 16:06.07 | Josh_Borke | or there are ace versions too |
| 16:06.09 | Josh_Borke | but i don't use them :-D |
| 16:06.25 | SunTsu | Or Omnibook |
| 16:07.22 | Josh_Borke | yea, that's the Ace one |
| 16:07.44 | SNiLD | !c eu sporeggar snild |
| 16:07.52 | ThraeBot | SNiLD: Snild, Level 55 Blood Elf Mage (0/0/46). 2470 HP; 4278 Mana; 113 mana regen; 35 spell crit; 66 +spell dmg/heal; 38 frost dmg (104); 4.33% dodge;[[ TBR: 643 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yoqaf7 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2r5ele ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 11:15:07 2008 EST ]] |
| 16:08.02 | vithos | WowLua looks good :) thanks |
| 16:09.05 | xyu | I would like to see an addon with a drop down menu of all the common macro commands (or even uncommon) hehe |
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| 16:11.47 | xyu | what's the difference between a green bliz poster and a blue? |
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| 16:14.32 | Dezzimal | one gets his dick sucked by the other |
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| 16:14.38 | Dezzimal | I'll leave it to you to figure out which |
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| 16:16.05 | Gnarfoz | xyu: there are no green blizz posters |
| 16:16.36 | xyu | so they're just moderators and what not? |
| 16:16.42 | Gnarfoz | not even that |
| 16:16.50 | Gnarfoz | MVPs |
| 16:17.01 | Gnarfoz | (there should probably be a sticky about it in the General forums) |
| 16:19.11 | Paene | xyu: yeah, they're the people that help out a ton (read: suck up a ton) on the forums |
| 16:20.12 | Paene | I've only seen 1or 2 green posters that were actually helpful...usually the guys in the UI and Macro forum |
| 16:21.53 | xyu | Paene: that's what i'm reading now. I Don't go to the wow forums much, it's usually full of "What spec IS GOOD LOLOL!o1one" |
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| 16:28.12 | elu | mobinfo2 is out of date |
| 16:28.17 | elu | can anyone recommend and alternative? |
| 16:29.42 | vithos | i'm using MobHealth3, but i just decided i want to write a replacement for it |
| 16:29.57 | vithos | MobHealth3 of course doesn't do everything MobInfo2 does |
| 16:30.11 | vithos | just the health estimation |
| 16:30.38 | elu | hmm |
| 16:30.44 | durcyn | because everything else mobinfo2 does is bloody pointless. |
| 16:30.45 | elu | i tired using 'load out of date' |
| 16:30.58 | elu | it's good to know what mob drops |
| 16:30.59 | elu | etc |
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| 16:31.03 | elu | and in an instance who can heal |
| 16:33.21 | elu | if a mod is greyed out on files.wowace.com does that mean it's out of date and i shouldn't download? |
| 16:34.31 | elu | nm |
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| 16:36.45 | vithos | if MobInfo2 does what you want, you should probably just use it |
| 16:36.49 | NivFreak | I like knowing where my epicz dropped |
| 16:37.01 | NivFreak | but mobinfo2 was pretty spammy about all the greens mobs dropped |
| 16:37.04 | NivFreak | and random other things |
| 16:37.29 | vithos | i like WhoDrop for knowing where loot comes from on people i'm inspecting |
| 16:37.51 | NivFreak | is it a preloaded db |
| 16:37.52 | NivFreak | ? |
| 16:37.57 | vithos | yeah |
| 16:38.09 | NivFreak | yea, that's not as much fun for BoE drops etc |
| 16:38.16 | NivFreak | but still sounds useful |
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| 16:39.19 | vithos | 5.7 MiB memory loaded |
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| 16:39.34 | vithos | the DB is pretty good |
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| 16:40.18 | Nefarion | in Lua, if i want to open a file with its default program (say have Notepad pop up for a .txt file) running os.execute(fileName) should work right? |
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| 16:40.50 | Nefarion | i keep getting issues with it no matter what i do |
| 16:41.27 | Estil | so I checked out lotro and I found out they don't let you select a female dwarf for character! |
| 16:41.40 | Nefarion | i can get it to open a file directly under the C drive, even if it has spaces, but trying to have it mass-execute blizz's icon files from the Blizzard Interface Art folder is failing |
| 16:42.23 | Estil | clearly female dorfs do not exist. |
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| 16:43.06 | SunTsu | Estil: Tolkien stated that they exist but never show and you could not diferenciate them from the men |
| 16:43.10 | Zicon | Of course they do. But non-dwarves can't tell the difference anyway. |
| 16:43.50 | vithos | sigh, can't use locals in WowLua. i guess i'll just stick to the good old edit-save-reloadui |
| 16:44.10 | Estil | I guess female dorfs in lotr don't have feminine characteristic of any |
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| 16:44.42 | SunTsu | vithos: Maybe you could give omnibook a try |
| 16:45.07 | Nefarion | or the countless other good in-game lua 'pad's |
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| 16:45.55 | vithos | Omnibus? |
| 16:46.01 | SunTsu | Estil: I thought that somebody with your nick should now those facts about Tolkien's dwarfs ;) |
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| 16:46.13 | [Ammo] | blurgh |
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| 16:46.30 | SunTsu | vithos: OK, OK, right, it's Omnibus |
| 16:48.25 | Estil | my name isn't from lotr though :( |
| 16:48.32 | Estil | nor did I base upon it |
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| 16:54.27 | RaydenU | http://wowjutsu.com/updateprogress.html <-- i added my guild to be updated over an hour ago and it still doesn't show up on the queue |
| 16:54.47 | RaydenU | i know it's in the system cause if i try to add ti again, it tells me it's already there |
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| 16:56.02 | vithos | locals don't work in omnibus or tinypad either |
| 16:58.29 | vithos | RaydenU: is that page a list of updates that have already happened? |
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| 17:08.41 | Ironhand | is there an addon that takes the tracking icon off the minimap and moves it to a FuBar icon? |
| 17:09.04 | [Ammo] | FuBar_TrackerFu ? |
| 17:09.07 | [Ammo] | or something like that |
| 17:09.10 | [Ammo] | FuBar_TrackFu |
| 17:09.37 | Pkekyo| | sag_ich_nicht: ping |
| 17:10.12 | Ironhand | Ammo - thx, based on the description that seems to fit the bill :-) |
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| 17:11.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Pkekyo|: pong |
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| 17:12.15 | Pkekyo| | http://www.plattenkiste.org/wow/maxgold.jpg |
| 17:12.15 | Pkekyo| | translate, please? :p |
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| 17:13.25 | Megalon | Pkekyo|: guy at goldlimit makes gm-ticket that he can't acquire more gold |
| 17:13.51 | Pkekyo| | Megalon: yeah, I got that part...I wanna know what the GM is saying |
| 17:14.04 | Dezzimal | wow don't spare us the funny |
| 17:14.05 | Dezzimal | please |
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| 17:14.45 | Matrix110 | Hello Iam Gamemaster blubblubb Excuse me, do you have a moment to talk about your Ticket regarding the Goldlimit? |
| 17:14.58 | Matrix110 | Yes, i got time |
| 17:15.00 | Megalon | that screenshot is just as funny as testicle cancer |
| 17:15.01 | Megalon | ;s |
| 17:15.07 | Matrix110 | So you have reached the Goldlimit? |
| 17:15.16 | Matrix110 | no clue does something like that exist |
| 17:15.32 | Matrix110 | i cant get more gold from the postbox etc. |
| 17:15.35 | SunTsu | Pkekyo|: The player wonders about the number and the GM replys that it might have to do with the gold value being internally held in base10 system ;) |
| 17:15.47 | Pkekyo| | base10? |
| 17:16.00 | SunTsu | Pkekyo|: That's what he is saying ;) |
| 17:16.02 | Matrix110 | The message you get says it, did you try already sending gold to another character? |
| 17:16.07 | SunTsu | And right, I find that hilarious |
| 17:16.10 | Zicon | He says it's NOT in base 10. |
| 17:16.14 | Matrix110 | works blabla |
| 17:16.14 | Megalon | SunTsu: not in base 10 |
| 17:16.26 | Pkekyo| | base10? |
| 17:16.38 | SunTsu | Megalon: Oh, right, did overlook the "nicht"/"not" |
| 17:16.42 | MentalPower | 2,147,483,646 copper |
| 17:16.48 | MentalPower | thats how much the guy has |
| 17:16.59 | Dezzimal | 2^32 - 1 or something like that right? |
| 17:17.01 | Matrix110 | Then youve found a way to exploit the Limit. You amused quite some GMs. |
| 17:17.04 | MentalPower | thats near the 32bit signed integer limit |
| 17:17.07 | Matrix110 | Sad i wanted to be a ingame millionaire |
| 17:17.16 | MentalPower | lua> 2^32 |
| 17:17.16 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 4294967296 |
| 17:17.18 | Megalon | 2^31 -1 |
| 17:17.20 | MentalPower | lua> 2^31 |
| 17:17.20 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2147483648 |
| 17:17.22 | Megalon | it's a signed integer |
| 17:17.30 | MentalPower | yup, thats the limit |
| 17:17.38 | Matrix110 | And then the GM basically says he got no clue why |
| 17:17.42 | Pkekyo| | what the flying fuck is "base10"? sounds like a gay baseball game |
| 17:18.03 | MentalPower | Pkekyo|: base 10 is well base 10 |
| 17:18.06 | Matrix110 | Well i guess the GM doesnt know why this awkward number |
| 17:18.09 | Megalon | the decimal system is base 10 |
| 17:18.10 | MentalPower | base 16 is hex |
| 17:18.13 | MentalPower | base 2 is binary |
| 17:18.18 | MentalPower | base 8 is octal |
| 17:18.22 | MentalPower | base 10 is decimal |
| 17:18.23 | Matrix110 | Something like 1.000.000 as goldlimit would "fit" better for people :P |
| 17:19.18 | Pkekyo| | more like 999 999 999 copper |
| 17:19.46 | SunTsu | Matrix110: I don't think anybody at blizzard's ever thought somebody would reach 2^31/signed 2^32 copper |
| 17:19.49 | winkiller | the gold limit is some number of 2 to the power of X |
| 17:20.05 | Matrix110 | SunTsu then they are retarted :P |
| 17:20.07 | winkiller | with x most probably around 32, yes ) |
| 17:20.18 | winkiller | yes. fun |
| 17:20.21 | Matrix110 | winkiller it is 2^31 |
| 17:20.25 | Twist- | They're customer service reps.. what do you expect? |
| 17:20.29 | winkiller | not very much |
| 17:20.32 | Matrix110 | the guy got that amount of gold and cant get 1c more |
| 17:20.48 | Matrix110 | Its not really much tbh |
| 17:20.54 | Matrix110 | Guilds can easily horde that amount fast |
| 17:21.10 | Matrix110 | I mean for a SSC loot run with 5 people you can earn 10k in 1 day |
| 17:21.24 | MentalPower | lua> (2^31)-1 |
| 17:21.24 | Matrix110 | Even more |
| 17:21.24 | lua_bot | MentalPower: 2147483647 |
| 17:21.36 | m4rku5 | Matrix110, if you dont do AH and do daily quests ny with 9 chars @ 70 ;P it woud take you 190 days ;P |
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| 17:21.39 | dre^ | wait wait, you farm SSC with 5 people? |
| 17:21.59 | SunTsu | So, just put 2^31 copper on all your chars on that realm and store the same amount on your own private guild bank and you are ready to go |
| 17:22.03 | Matrix110 | No i said do a lootrun with your guild farming SSC with 5 random people with loads of gold to buy itams : |
| 17:22.06 | Matrix110 | and Attunements |
| 17:22.19 | dre^ | ah I see |
| 17:22.19 | m4rku5 | Matrix110, a guild on my server already sells T6 sets |
| 17:22.27 | winkiller | I'd buy one :P |
| 17:22.30 | m4rku5 | and they got the first guy to pay them 20k gold for the first set |
| 17:22.37 | dre^ | heh what do they charge for a t6 set? 10k gold? |
| 17:22.39 | winkiller | but I guess it's OVER NINE THOUSAND |
| 17:22.54 | Pkekyo| | Matrix110I mean for a SSC loot run with 5 people you can earn 10k in 1 day <---- wait...WHAT? O.o 5 people doing ssc?! |
| 17:22.54 | dre^ | 20k, geez |
| 17:22.58 | Matrix110 | well selling T6 is a bit more difficult as you gotta attune them first |
| 17:23.02 | Matrix110 | and omg a random noob @Archimonde |
| 17:23.10 | dre^ | Pkekyo|: heh I asked the same thing. keep reading ;) |
| 17:23.17 | m4rku5 | dre^, a warlock offered 40k for the warlock set but they still need that set themselves ;) |
| 17:23.17 | AnduinLothar | Archimonde owned us yesterday |
| 17:23.24 | AnduinLothar | stupid fire |
| 17:23.30 | CIA-8 | 03joshborke 07Beta * r58667 10Ace3/tests/check_globals.sh: Ace3: updated check_globals.sh script to include pretty colors |
| 17:23.32 | dre^ | that's rediculous, heh |
| 17:23.44 | Matrix110 | i think for archimonde i would just kill the random and let him ly there the whole time:P |
| 17:24.22 | AnduinLothar | well, he could stand really far back, just inside the finger of death range |
| 17:25.08 | Matrix110 | does he finger the people even if a tank is at him? |
| 17:25.27 | AnduinLothar | i think so, but it's like 100 yards |
| 17:25.39 | Matrix110 | nah more |
| 17:25.42 | kaugummi | he can be already dead :D |
| 17:26.19 | Matrix110 | I already flew away more than 200yards and didnt die |
| 17:26.41 | Recluse | lolz, 5-manning ssc already are ya? XD |
| 17:27.20 | dre^ | this is like the telephone game... |
| 17:27.30 | Recluse | telephone game? |
| 17:27.32 | Pkekyo| | telephone game? |
| 17:27.37 | Pkekyo| | shut up, I said it first! :p |
| 17:27.41 | SunTsu | telephone game? |
| 17:27.44 | Recluse | LOL |
| 17:27.49 | dre^ | heh maybe it's uh... regional. you know that game where you whisper something in somebody's ear real fast |
| 17:28.00 | dre^ | and then they whisper it to the next person really fast |
| 17:28.01 | Recluse | oooh, i see |
| 17:28.04 | xyu | Recluse showed up before you according to my client ^^ |
| 17:28.08 | dre^ | and nobody stops for clarification |
| 17:28.15 | Recluse | xyu: on mine too XD |
| 17:28.23 | dre^ | so by the time you get through 4 or 5 people, you end up with something completely different |
| 17:28.38 | dre^ | that's like this conversation thread regarding ssc with 5 people |
| 17:28.47 | Recluse | dre^: Yeah, you whisper "Joey has measles" to one person and the 50th person hears "Sarah had a baby" |
| 17:29.26 | Pkekyo| | xyu: same here, but sod him, I was first :p |
| 17:29.40 | Recluse | lmao |
| 17:29.49 | dre^ | so anyway, I'm excited to see what the next round of log / stats mods can do with teh improved combat logging API. I think Omen will get a lot more accurate. |
| 17:30.11 | m4rku5 | i think recount will get better too ;D |
| 17:30.20 | Recluse | do you think bliz will be... detailed enough in what data the API provides? |
| 17:30.27 | dre^ | since iirc the existing ambiguities will be eliminated |
| 17:30.31 | m4rku5 | and hopefully no more need to sync stuff that only costs resources |
| 17:30.43 | dre^ | I think so, at least based on what I've read so far |
| 17:31.09 | dre^ | they'll be providing more data than is currently provided I believe |
| 17:31.17 | dre^ | so it should only get better. assuming it all works right :) |
| 17:31.21 | m4rku5 | and you dont need to parse strings |
| 17:31.27 | m4rku5 | saves you even more resources |
| 17:31.27 | m4rku5 | ;D |
| 17:31.31 | dre^ | yeah, thank god. string parsing is like... for the lose. |
| 17:31.40 | m4rku5 | yeah ;D |
| 17:31.48 | dre^ | kinda makes localizing tedious too |
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| 17:34.50 | dre^ | so here's an idea that I've been batting around. maybe it's more feasible with the improved logging of 2.4. Wouldn't it be cool if you could start with a combat log and create some sort of graphical, animated over time 'stats view' of an encounter. complete with player frames / cast bars. you could pause at any time to examine things, etc. But since it's virtual, you can slice and dice from any angle. |
| 17:36.03 | Xinhuan | i want to know what Blizzard did when they said they improved loading times for patch 2.3.3 on initial login |
| 17:36.07 | cncfanatics | anyone can help me with AceAddon-3.0 ? |
| 17:36.24 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan, start loading addon code while the user types password & stuff ? |
| 17:36.31 | Xinhuan | doubt it |
| 17:36.48 | dre^ | haha, they woudln't know which mods to load... |
| 17:36.51 | dre^ | good try though :) |
| 17:36.59 | Xinhuan | maybe if they do a CRC checksum on every file in the AddOns folder and avoid repetitive loading of identical files (ace2 libraries) |
| 17:37.01 | Xinhuan | maybe |
| 17:37.11 | Xinhuan | but who knows what they did? |
| 17:37.12 | m4rku5 | maybe changed some loading of blizzards own stuff ? |
| 17:37.14 | m4rku5 | ;P |
| 17:37.17 | m4rku5 | how bout that |
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| 17:37.36 | m4rku5 | wether is caching files, whatever files they need when you enter the world etc |
| 17:37.41 | dre^ | I would guess somethign like storing byte-code compiled versions of things and loading those instead of recompiling each time if no changes |
| 17:38.16 | Pkekyo| | so...should I have decursive on my mage? :p |
| 17:38.18 | m4rku5 | couldnt you already use bytecode ? |
| 17:38.34 | dre^ | afaik mods are written in lua and compiled at runtime |
| 17:38.52 | dre^ | you don't ship compiled code to wowace, curse, etc |
| 17:39.07 | m4rku5 | you could precompile normal lua stuff but im not sure if that works if you want to use the WoW API |
| 17:39.57 | dre^ | well it shoudl be fairly easy to tell... just check the wow folder for binary blobs :) |
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| 17:42.23 | chiper | pk: if you plan to group, yeah |
| 17:42.55 | chiper | I keep smartdebuff up all the time tho, cause it makes a nice BONG sound when I get cursed and I can know to cure myself |
| 17:43.19 | cc-work | parrot does that |
| 17:43.30 | cc-work | u set ssounds for debuff or buffs u get |
| 17:43.49 | chiper | oh I'm sure there's lots of addons for it |
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| 17:44.16 | chiper | but this way I can just click my frame and decurse myself instead of fumbling with the action bar |
| 17:44.20 | Dezzimal | lua_bot: lua> io.write("hello world)" |
| 17:44.26 | Dezzimal | lua_bot: lua> io.write("hello world") |
| 17:44.36 | chiper | dump the lua_bot part |
| 17:44.43 | Dezzimal | lua> io.write("hello world") |
| 17:44.43 | lua_bot | Dezzimal: [string "io.write("hello world")"]:1: attempt to index global 'io' (a nil value) |
| 17:45.02 | Dezzimal | lua> write("hello world") |
| 17:45.02 | lua_bot | Dezzimal: [string "write("hello world")"]:1: attempt to call global 'write' (a nil value) |
| 17:45.36 | chiper | isnt it print()? |
| 17:46.17 | Dezzimal | I guess :/ |
| 17:46.37 | Dezzimal | lua> while i do print("desu") end |
| 17:46.37 | lua_bot | Dezzimal: |
| 17:47.02 | Dezzimal | lua> while true do print("desu") end |
| 17:47.07 | chiper | are you trying to crash the bot? |
| 17:47.07 | lua_bot | Dezzimal: sandbox.lua:166: maximum execution time (5s) exceeded |
| 17:47.14 | Dezzimal | no |
| 17:47.20 | Dezzimal | because I know it has that limit installed :/ |
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| 17:51.14 | cncfanatics | is there a generic OO engine for Ace3 yet ? |
| 17:51.21 | cncfanatics | I'm currently writing one, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel |
| 17:52.04 | cncfanatics | anyone mind answering ? :p |
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| 17:52.25 | m4rku5 | no clue ;o |
| 17:52.27 | kergoth | dont think theres one yet |
| 17:52.30 | kergoth | not sure though |
| 17:52.34 | cncfanatics | well, I'm writing one atm |
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| 17:53.21 | cncfanatics | I'm unable to write things in library form though |
| 17:53.36 | cncfanatics | anyone mind helping "transforming" it into a library that works with LibStub when I'm done ? |
| 17:54.15 | Xinhuan | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3881847124&sid=1 |
| 17:54.20 | Xinhuan | hey what a cool new addon idea :D |
| 17:55.42 | m4rku5 | nice ;D |
| 17:55.59 | Xinhuan | of course, writing it isn't that easy |
| 17:56.08 | chiper | I bet you could add this easilly to speedfu |
| 17:56.17 | Xinhuan | since you have to deal with "Blink" "Shadowstep", getting summoned to 50 yards away |
| 17:56.28 | Xinhuan | or any number of variations of this |
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| 17:56.35 | m4rku5 | couldnt you just measure your location every dunno 50ms ? and then round it up ? |
| 17:56.44 | Xinhuan | yes, but it won't account for blinking |
| 17:56.45 | cncfanatics | yea, thats pretty doable |
| 17:56.47 | Xinhuan | or shadow stepping |
| 17:56.48 | cncfanatics | it will |
| 17:56.53 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: who cares? |
| 17:56.55 | Josh_Borke | geebus :-P |
| 17:56.56 | cncfanatics | check location with coords every 100 ms |
| 17:57.01 | cncfanatics | compare with precedent location |
| 17:57.02 | Ellipsis | serioius addon is serious |
| 17:57.04 | cncfanatics | check number of yards |
| 17:57.07 | cncfanatics | or heck, do it every frame |
| 17:57.08 | Josh_Borke | apparently |
| 17:57.11 | Ellipsis | serious Xinhuan writes serious addons! :> |
| 17:57.11 | Xinhuan | or if a warlock decided to summon you to the entrance of SSC when you're 50 yards away while swimming in |
| 17:57.12 | m4rku5 | unless you run in circles that should work ;P |
| 17:57.12 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 17:57.24 | cncfanatics | m4rku5 |
| 17:57.28 | m4rku5 | cncfanatics, whats the resolution that map coords give you in yards ? |
| 17:57.31 | cncfanatics | it'l lworkj when u run in circles too if you do it every frame |
| 17:57.34 | dre^ | is that how SpeedFu works? chceking coords? |
| 17:57.37 | Xinhuan | m4rku5, very small |
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| 17:57.41 | Xinhuan | yes it checks coords |
| 17:57.42 | chiper | dre: yes |
| 17:57.49 | Xinhuan | so its a relatively small change to add this |
| 17:57.51 | cncfanatics | m4rk5, I think 3 yards |
| 17:57.54 | m4rku5 | nice |
| 17:57.55 | cncfanatics | :unsure: |
| 17:57.58 | Xinhuan | its less than 3 |
| 17:58.02 | m4rku5 | so it would be pretty exact |
| 17:58.12 | Xinhuan | GetPlayerMapCoords returns up to 4 decimal places |
| 17:58.19 | dre^ | wow |
| 17:58.23 | Xinhuan | and the yard of a zone is at most 4k or so |
| 17:58.29 | Xinhuan | so its accurate to about half a yard |
| 17:58.40 | dre^ | that's nice! |
| 17:58.42 | Xinhuan | since the number is [0-1] |
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| 17:58.51 | Xinhuan | but it won't account for Z-distance, just X-Y |
| 17:58.55 | Xinhuan | can't do much about that one |
| 17:58.59 | cncfanatics | any good documentation on metatables around ? |
| 17:59.05 | Ellipsis | ~pil |
| 17:59.06 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 17:59.07 | chiper | yeah, they need to add a Z coordinate |
| 17:59.08 | Ellipsis | =] |
| 17:59.08 | Xinhuan | yeah cnc, pil |
| 17:59.16 | chiper | it sucks that /follow doesnt work in the air |
| 17:59.23 | cncfanatics | OO's gonna need heavy use of metatables :p |
| 17:59.25 | Ellipsis | it does...kinda |
| 17:59.25 | m4rku5 | hrhr ;D |
| 17:59.32 | dre^ | I'm pretty sure I've used it on my flying mount |
| 17:59.35 | cncfanatics | it does |
| 17:59.35 | dre^ | no, i'm sure I have. |
| 17:59.37 | chiper | Ellipsis: only on the horizontal plane |
| 17:59.46 | Xinhuan | it doesn't work if the player flies too fast :D |
| 17:59.53 | Xinhuan | and /follow unfollows |
| 17:59.54 | dre^ | same with running though |
| 18:00.00 | Ellipsis | it just fails when you're on the ground, and will lose them if they fly up with the jump/ascend key rather than flying in the up direction |
| 18:00.06 | chiper | I've tried to use it to follow someone up to arc and it totally breaks |
| 18:00.26 | Xinhuan | it doesn't follow into an instance |
| 18:00.28 | Xinhuan | just to the entrance |
| 18:00.38 | chiper | I know that |
| 18:00.44 | dre^ | yeah, that probably goes back to 'no z coordinate'. hitting 'up' probably doesnt' count as movement in some strange way. |
| 18:00.46 | chiper | I mean following as flying to the instance |
| 18:00.53 | Ellipsis | something like that dre^ |
| 18:01.20 | Xinhuan | or you can use Click-To-Move and click carefully on the wall just behind the swirling portal :D |
| 18:01.42 | Ellipsis | ew, click to move |
| 18:01.52 | Xinhuan | click-to-move is perfect for alar corpse runs, you zone in, and CLICK 200 yards down the hallway :D |
| 18:01.58 | Xinhuan | (of course i dont' use click-to-move) |
| 18:02.08 | Ellipsis | you should be slapped for even suggesting it |
| 18:02.16 | Xinhuan | someone suggested it to me :( |
| 18:02.22 | Xinhuan | i'm like wow that's an innovative use |
| 18:02.23 | chiper | I had forgotton that feature exists |
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| 18:02.46 | Xinhuan | because you can certainly click 1000 yards away and mvoe to it in a straight line |
| 18:02.46 | Ellipsis | I was only reminded of it recently when I saw a thread on the bug reports forum about a problem with click to move |
| 18:02.48 | Ellipsis | I was like |
| 18:03.00 | xyu | hey now |
| 18:03.03 | xyu | shadowbane used it |
| 18:03.04 | Ellipsis | "wtf is...oh yeah...wait, people use that?!" |
| 18:03.12 | xyu | and i had decent fun in that game! at first |
| 18:03.24 | chiper | i'm very glad that defaults to off |
| 18:03.37 | chiper | now if only they had made WASD the proper default bindings |
| 18:03.42 | Ellipsis | ? |
| 18:03.49 | Ellipsis | WASD are default o.O; |
| 18:03.52 | xyu | ESDF > WASD discuss :P |
| 18:04.02 | chiper | F? |
| 18:04.07 | chiper | you mean Q? |
| 18:04.12 | xyu | no |
| 18:04.14 | kergoth | agreed, esdf ftw |
| 18:04.14 | xyu | ESDF |
| 18:04.19 | dre^ | xyu: agreed. "a" is more easily assigned than "caps lock" :) |
| 18:04.22 | Ellipsis | ESDF is for fail |
| 18:04.23 | chiper | oha, hah |
| 18:04.31 | xyu | ESDF offers more immediate keybindings, also the nub on the F key is great for finding it. |
| 18:04.37 | dre^ | but I use a nostromo anyway... |
| 18:04.55 | xyu | use shift ! |
| 18:05.00 | Ellipsis | I do |
| 18:05.03 | dre^ | xyu: you keep noobs on your keyboard? for shame! |
| 18:05.05 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: Get bigger hands ;) |
| 18:05.06 | Ellipsis | I use shift *and* ctrl as modifiers for my bindings |
| 18:05.09 | Ellipsis | SunTsu: no u :( |
| 18:05.30 | SunTsu | Mine are surely big enough. You can't even hold your mouse right ;) |
| 18:05.32 | xyu | well now you can use Q and W |
| 18:05.32 | chiper | my complaint is that it has turn keys on A and D and straff on Q and E. it should be the other way around, they broke video gaming conventions |
| 18:05.39 | chiper | and now my GF cant play FPS games |
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| 18:06.06 | xyu | i'm an old school quake 1 keybinder. so my Mouse2 = move forward in FPS |
| 18:06.13 | chiper | hah |
| 18:06.20 | dre^ | yeah that's old ;) |
| 18:06.20 | chiper | mouse look, I forgot about that |
| 18:06.32 | Thrae | chiper: I agree strafe should be on A and D, but Q and E do different things on different modern FPSes. Of course, you can't "lean" in WoW ;) |
| 18:06.48 | chiper | *nod* |
| 18:06.50 | m4rku5 | i should write a tool like quake keybindings -> wow keybindings ;P |
| 18:07.00 | m4rku5 | so you can export your quake config haha ;D |
| 18:07.09 | xyu | i'd like to see WoW in /r_picmip 5 |
| 18:07.13 | chiper | it pisses me off because I get all fucked up when I use her laptop and try to straff |
| 18:07.19 | chiper | "wtf arent I moving right? |
| 18:07.27 | dre^ | a bit epiphany for me was assigning auto-run toggle to mouse4. holding down stuff to run makes for a loooot of extra muscle use, over the course of... 70 levels or so. |
| 18:07.29 | Thrae | m4rku5: You could write a batch file which adds 'em in to the Bindings file |
| 18:07.43 | Ellipsis | autorun ftw |
| 18:07.47 | chiper | I moved auto-run to * so that it would stop toggling my num lock |
| 18:07.50 | m4rku5 | i could if i wasnt too lazy to do so ;D |
| 18:07.53 | chiper | that was another stupid default |
| 18:07.59 | Fin | Ellipsis: mind if I continue asking noob questions about lockery 101? |
| 18:08.04 | xyu | autorun mouse 4 is ok for me. |
| 18:08.10 | Ellipsis | personally I keep a backup of my bindings, just like my addons and SVs |
| 18:08.15 | Ellipsis | Fin: be my guest |
| 18:08.16 | Thrae | chiper: Actually, numlock was used by a lot of games for autorun, EQ included |
| 18:08.18 | xyu | i dont use mouse4 unless i'm over a target frame (clique) |
| 18:08.35 | chiper | thrae: ick, what a stupid idea |
| 18:08.44 | Ellipsis | auto-run defaults to numlock/mouse4 though |
| 18:08.50 | xyu | i fell asleep and autoran into Garr back in MC days (just after the raid spent 10 minutes assigning targets) |
| 18:08.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:09.03 | Fin | Ellipsis: Veiled Noble Topaz are just too expensive at the moment, what would be an acceptable alternative (matching red or yellow sockets)? |
| 18:09.03 | m4rku5 | lol ;D |
| 18:09.06 | dre^ | interestingly enough, mouse4 is still safe for binding. mouse-clicks over a frame are treated differently than not over a frame. but that's probably obvious. |
| 18:09.21 | Ellipsis | Fin: veiled...whatever the green one is |
| 18:09.25 | Thrae | chiper: Probably dates back to when games encouraged the numpad for movement, and ignored the actual numlock feature |
| 18:09.29 | Fin | OK, thanks |
| 18:09.30 | Ellipsis | just do quality green, "veiled", gem |
| 18:09.32 | xyu | flame sesperiatiteie |
| 18:09.35 | Ellipsis | and you should find it |
| 18:09.37 | Thrae | (IE, bound the numbers to movement as well) |
| 18:09.38 | Ellipsis | yeah, that sounds right |
| 18:09.59 | Fin | someone's offered to make me Potent Noble Topaz instead, it's with +crit |
| 18:10.05 | xyu | i'm selling veiled nobles on my server, and yes they are quite expensive (to my liking) mauahah *evil capitalistic grin* |
| 18:10.10 | Ellipsis | depending on spec that may or may not be fail |
| 18:10.10 | Fin | is +hit extra important then? |
| 18:10.18 | xyu | for raiding |
| 18:10.19 | xyu | yessu |
| 18:10.20 | dre^ | void sphere! not sure about you guys, but those seem to be real cheap on my realm nowadays |
| 18:10.22 | Ellipsis | you do need hit cap ASAP for raiding |
| 18:10.29 | chiper | I just discovered the horrors of hardened adamantite last night |
| 18:10.32 | Fin | that's because they're utter shit, dre^ |
| 18:10.34 | chiper | shit that stuff's expensive |
| 18:10.51 | dre^ | fin: lol that must be why I've never seen anybody wear one. most resist gear I've seen had no sockets anyway :/ |
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| 18:10.53 | Fin | what's the cap please, Elli m'dear? |
| 18:11.02 | xyu | what class? |
| 18:11.03 | Ellipsis | for a warlock, 202 rating |
| 18:11.07 | dre^ | hit cap varries by class / spec |
| 18:11.11 | Ellipsis | you can get by with a bit less if you have points in suppression |
| 18:11.12 | chiper | dre: they're cheap because it's one of the few thigns you can do with a void crystal |
| 18:11.13 | Fin | dre^: that would be it! :) |
| 18:11.17 | Thrae | Everquest didn't use WASD by the way, it used the arrow keys by default |
| 18:11.20 | Fin | assume I don't |
| 18:11.23 | xyu | also if you have a shaman in your group ^^ |
| 18:11.24 | Ellipsis | however suppression does not affect shadowbolts |
| 18:11.31 | Ellipsis | so getting capped will *always* be good |
| 18:11.39 | dre^ | (an ele shaman who specs totem of wrath... not all do) |
| 18:11.44 | Hjalte | suppresion also doesnt affect soulshatter. |
| 18:11.47 | Thrae | I'm not sure which MMORPG first introduced WASD movement...Anarchy Online at the very least |
| 18:12.00 | Thrae | Or, at the very least, WA movement |
| 18:12.00 | Fin | you know, I didn't even *know* that there was a lock aggro dump until last week |
| 18:12.05 | Fin | it's awesome |
| 18:12.11 | Fin | I need to look up the mechanics of it though |
| 18:12.18 | dre^ | I think there's a lot of locks who don't know either... |
| 18:12.18 | xyu | i'ts not a dump though is it? |
| 18:12.21 | chiper | there is? what is it? |
| 18:12.23 | Ellipsis | it's a 50% dump |
| 18:12.24 | xyu | soul shatter |
| 18:12.32 | chiper | oh, right |
| 18:12.33 | Fin | 50% sounds like a bloody dump to me |
| 18:12.35 | Ellipsis | costs health and a shard, affects anything in 50yds |
| 18:12.40 | xyu | 100% is a dump |
| 18:12.45 | xyu | warlocks can climb back up pretty easy :p |
| 18:12.46 | Fin | and 50% is a dump |
| 18:12.48 | SunTsu | I still can't wait until I have it |
| 18:12.55 | cncfanatics | hmmm |
| 18:13.00 | xyu | hunters FD is a dump imo |
| 18:13.00 | Fin | "dump" does not imply "entire" |
| 18:13.01 | Ellipsis | 50% is...maybe half a round of dots |
| 18:13.07 | chiper | yeah, SShatter is about as much of a dump as IceBlock |
| 18:13.10 | cncfanatics | do ace3 modules created with Core:NewModule(); have any metatables ? |
| 18:13.21 | Hjalte | Ellipsis: That depends on how much health the mob has, and when you are doing it :) |
| 18:13.30 | SunTsu | chiper: Iceblock doesn't dump threat at all, doesn't it? |
| 18:13.34 | xyu | nope |
| 18:13.35 | Pkekyo| | bwahahahaha, this week's zeropunctuation is full of win and awesome :) |
| 18:13.37 | Ellipsis | Hjalte: no, it really depends more on your tank :P |
| 18:13.39 | xyu | just a temp aggro removal |
| 18:13.40 | cncfanatics | SunTsu, it suspends threat while you're iceblocked |
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| 18:13.44 | chiper | sun: correct, that's my point :) |
| 18:13.46 | dre^ | my only aggro dump is ankh :/ but it works really well. long cooldown though :( |
| 18:13.58 | SunTsu | Just like fade ;) |
| 18:13.59 | Fin | anyway, thank you once again Ellipsis, may the gods smile upon your blessed face and the angels play with your dreams |
| 18:14.05 | cncfanatics | do ace3 modules created with Core:NewModule(); have any metatables ? nevcairiel |
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| 18:14.11 | Ellipsis | in my experience, as soon as the tank doesn't have anyone above him on threat to chain-taunt, he stops generating threat fast enough to hold aggro :P |
| 18:14.21 | Ellipsis | Fin: hm, are these angels pretty? |
| 18:14.34 | Pkekyo| | meh, math requirements for colleges suck frozen donkeyballs >.< |
| 18:14.50 | m4rku5 | math is funny ;D |
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| 18:15.01 | Pkekyo| | not when it's screwing up all your plans, it's not |
| 18:15.03 | Fin | I almost just typed "not as pretty as you" but I just - couldn't - do it |
| 18:15.11 | m4rku5 | well math at university is funny ;P |
| 18:15.16 | Ellipsis | it's ok, you'll come around eventually |
| 18:15.20 | Ellipsis | everyone loves teh 'lipsis! |
| 18:15.33 | chiper | fin: for pony |
| 18:15.41 | dre^ | fin: acceptable, as it's an also an obscure south park reference... |
| 18:15.44 | Pkekyo| | got to pass an exam in highly advanced maths, three years worth of education to get into the school I want to go to >.< |
| 18:15.48 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: It is great not to have to generate as much threat as you can as a tank. The more I have to hit the more parries can happen, the more damage I usually take |
| 18:15.59 | Fin | chiper: no comprende |
| 18:16.08 | chiper | fin: google it |
| 18:16.14 | Ellipsis | SunTsu: I hate tanks. go diaf. |
| 18:16.32 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: No, sorry, won't do |
| 18:16.36 | Fin | dre^: is it still a reference if I'm not deliberately referencing something, but the words I type could be a reference? |
| 18:16.36 | Ellipsis | =[ |
| 18:16.42 | Fin | chiper: no |
| 18:16.53 | dre^ | fin: well it's all relative I suppose... |
| 18:17.05 | Fin | chiper: it doesn't work like that, you don't say something cryptic to someone, then when they ask what say "google it" - you only do that when I ask the question first |
| 18:17.06 | chiper | fin: it's from LFG comic, it's the warlock's battle cry |
| 18:17.20 | Fin | "for pony"... huh |
| 18:17.44 | Ellipsis | bah |
| 18:17.53 | Ellipsis | you all need to stop distracting me |
| 18:17.55 | Ellipsis | RIGHT NOW! |
| 18:18.01 | chiper | I'm surprised that in a room full of wow nerds, nobody got that joke |
| 18:18.12 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: Does getting hilighted distract you? ;> |
| 18:18.17 | Ellipsis | I don't use highlights, so no |
| 18:18.26 | dre^ | IRC is surely the place to come when you want no distractions. |
| 18:18.32 | SunTsu | Ellipsis: Then, please do ;) |
| 18:18.32 | Ellipsis | pfft |
| 18:18.33 | Fin | dre^: I'm *pretty* sure it was a yes or no question..? please elaborate upon your answer. remember to show working, or your answer may be invalidated despite being correct. |
| 18:18.36 | Fin | you can start |
| 18:18.38 | Fin | now. |
| 18:18.57 | Fin | I don't see anyone here distra |
| 18:18.59 | dre^ | well first i'd like to take this opportunity to take this opportunity. now that that's out of the way... |
| 18:20.09 | Pkekyo| | "lol I exploded his panther!!!!" rofl |
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| 18:27.11 | Paene | I hate the feeling you get after finishing your first homework assignment of the semester and realizing how many more are left... |
| 18:28.09 | Ellipsis | not as bad as the feeling you get after finishing the last one and realizing how much time you wasted on stupid busy work throughout the semester :P |
| 18:28.56 | bigz | not as bad as starting an assignment an hour before it's due and realizing 10 minutes later that there's no way you will finish |
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| 18:29.08 | Paene | lol |
| 18:29.24 | Paene | bigzero: I do that all the time with my programming assignments :-p |
| 18:29.25 | bigzero | i hate that feeling... it makes you want to cry |
| 18:29.49 | Ellipsis | eh? no way, that's the best |
| 18:29.51 | Paene | I usually star the day before and work all through the night |
| 18:29.56 | Paene | *start |
| 18:30.15 | Ellipsis | one second you think you're going to be working your butt off for the next hour, and the next you realize you have an hour off to think of excuses for why you didn't finish :) |
| 18:30.23 | Ellipsis | huge relief, great feeling imo :P |
| 18:30.26 | bigzero | Paene, for some reason i always do my programming ahead of time. i find it interesting, so it's fun |
| 18:31.09 | bigzero | Ellipsis, hehe, yeah, that happens too. Though comming up with a unique excuse is really hard nowadays |
| 18:31.22 | Ellipsis | depends on the prof |
| 18:31.23 | Paene | bigzero: I'm usually just too busy with other stupid busywork, like math assignments, papers, etc...I also have 2 jobs...one that makes me money, and one that gets me epics |
| 18:31.36 | bigzero | lol |
| 18:31.47 | Ellipsis | I got away with "my guild ran a surprise BWL and I didn't get time to finish" once |
| 18:31.53 | Paene | LOL |
| 18:31.56 | bigzero | rofl |
| 18:32.01 | Paene | teacher must have been a WoW player |
| 18:32.04 | bigzero | Ellipsis, what class whas that for? |
| 18:32.21 | Ellipsis | mmm.... I think that was computer graphics |
| 18:32.24 | Ellipsis | or maybe algorithms |
| 18:32.32 | Ellipsis | same prof for both, can't remember which exactly |
| 18:32.36 | Ellipsis | but yeah, he played WoW |
| 18:32.39 | bigzero | haha |
| 18:32.42 | bigzero | awesome |
| 18:32.48 | Paene | ew algorithms |
| 18:32.54 | Paene | I had that last semester |
| 18:33.10 | bigzero | something tells me no |
| 18:33.15 | Paene | lol |
| 18:33.54 | Paene | Ellipsis: was your algo class ridiculously hard and involved lots of math? |
| 18:34.01 | Paene | *did it involve |
| 18:34.15 | Ellipsis | pfft, not as much math as graphics |
| 18:34.24 | Ellipsis | algorithms was actually one of my favorites |
| 18:34.31 | Paene | O.o |
| 18:34.38 | Ellipsis | really easy, but I actually learned a couple new things, which didn't happen in almost any other class I took :P |
| 18:34.57 | Paene | was it about algorithm efficiency? |
| 18:35.01 | Paene | and calculating it? |
| 18:35.08 | Paene | and theorms |
| 18:35.10 | Paene | and rules |
| 18:35.17 | Paene | and OMG headache? |
| 18:35.18 | Ellipsis | eh we used that a lot, but most of that stuff we learned much earlier on |
| 18:35.24 | Ellipsis | algorithms was a 300-level class |
| 18:35.32 | Paene | same here |
| 18:35.46 | Paene | except our 100 and 200 level classes are jokes |
| 18:35.54 | Paene | so we weren't really prepared |
| 18:36.07 | Paene | our Algo class has a 50%+ fail rate |
| 18:36.24 | Ellipsis | ouch |
| 18:36.25 | Paene | and that's with a 10% straight curve |
| 18:36.33 | bigzero | I slept through most of my Algorithms and Data Structures class. I think my professor made it too easy |
| 18:36.43 | Paene | Data structures was easy |
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| 18:37.01 | Ellipsis | I played WoW through about the first 1/3rd of the semester |
| 18:37.05 | bigzero | well, mine was merged into one class with algo, so that made algo easy too |
| 18:37.08 | Ellipsis | then I realized I had to start paying attention :( |
| 18:37.14 | Paene | where do you guys go to school? |
| 18:37.14 | Paene | lol |
| 18:37.32 | bigzero | Illinois Institute of Technology in Chicago |
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| 18:37.54 | Paene | Ellipsis? :) |
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| 18:38.07 | Ellipsis | a tiny school you've never heard of :) |
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| 18:38.08 | Paene | lol |
| 18:38.17 | bigzero | lol, Ellipsis.... cheater |
| 18:38.20 | Paene | I go to Michigan Technological University |
| 18:38.49 | Ellipsis | I sometimes wish I could go back to school |
| 18:38.49 | Paene | it's supposed to be 1 degree F on Saturday :D |
| 18:38.53 | NeoTron | Hello. My name is <blank> and ... we wiped on Supremus last night. |
| 18:39.00 | Paene | lol |
| 18:39.09 | Ellipsis | and then I realize that I hate everything about school |
| 18:39.18 | bigzero | anyhow. i gotta dodge. later guys and gals |
| 18:39.21 | Paene | *a high of 1 degree F |
| 18:39.32 | NeoTron | of course we one shotted all the other bosses up to RoS but if we hadn't wiped on supremus we'd killed Shahraz too |
| 18:39.33 | Paene | cya Bigzero |
| 18:39.47 | winkiller | I suppose there isn't a way to tell Baggins: "stick all items I pick up from now on ina new category"? |
| 18:39.52 | Paene | we killed Vashj for the first time a week ago |
| 18:40.04 | winkiller | like.. I got my stuff sorted, but always can't find the new stuff |
| 18:40.06 | Paene | time to play with Kael :-/ |
| 18:40.18 | NeoTron | Paene: I'm sorry |
| 18:40.50 | Recluse | winkiller: i don't know the solution, but i had a similar quandry with another bag addon. i feel your pain lol |
| 18:41.02 | winkiller | :) |
| 18:41.16 | Ellipsis | winkiller: yeah, use the "new" category |
| 18:41.18 | bigzero | winkiller, use default ui for bags and sort your stuff in the last 3 or so bags... all the new stuff wil be in your backpack |
| 18:41.18 | winkiller | well, I normally only use OneBag - and new stuff is top left - easy |
| 18:41.33 | Ellipsis | and when you want to manually reset it, right click the bag frame and there'll be an option in the dropdown for it |
| 18:41.47 | winkiller | Ellipsis: that'S either bugged or not what I want |
| 18:41.55 | winkiller | it resets through relogs |
| 18:41.56 | Ellipsis | bugged how? |
| 18:42.05 | NeoTron | :se noai |
| 18:42.05 | NeoTron | a:se ai |
| 18:42.13 | Ellipsis | erm...yeah...it's meant to be a very short-term "stuff I got since I last checked my bags" |
| 18:42.17 | winkiller | NeoTron: <--- vi that way |
| 18:42.19 | Paene | American Constitutional Law time! /wrist |
| 18:42.23 | Ellipsis | not a "bookmark my inventory state" type thing :P |
| 18:42.31 | winkiller | Ellipsis: that's the prob :) |
| 18:42.38 | winkiller | on my druid I have 4 sets of gear - fine |
| 18:42.54 | winkiller | so the default ui OR onebag always fucks up when switching gear |
| 18:43.09 | winkiller | as sometimes it's 2h weap or 1h + oh - one more empty slot |
| 18:43.12 | winkiller | that will get filled, etc |
| 18:43.21 | Ellipsis | so your problem is basically separating your gear from looted greens and such? |
| 18:43.25 | winkiller | yes |
| 18:43.41 | Ellipsis | do you use an equipment addon? (closetgnome, outfitter, itemrack?) |
| 18:43.49 | winkiller | yeah, also with categories |
| 18:43.54 | winkiller | that *somehow* works |
| 18:43.57 | Recluse | i keep 2 sets on my feral druid - tank and dps |
| 18:43.59 | winkiller | but never 100% |
| 18:44.04 | Ellipsis | never 100%? |
| 18:44.06 | chiper | omg, blizzard so needs to impliment this for gnomes. http://archive.lfgcomic.com/lfg0095.gif |
| 18:44.10 | chiper | Rabbit Mount FTW! |
| 18:44.11 | winkiller | I always end up with some stuff in between my sets |
| 18:44.19 | Ellipsis | in between? |
| 18:44.35 | winkiller | maybe I did some rules wrogn I guess |
| 18:44.43 | winkiller | and it's a bit tedious this way |
| 18:45.15 | bigzero | chiper, gotta let taurens use it too though |
| 18:45.45 | chiper | winkiller: I use ArcInventory. I can setup panels for soulbound gear and any gear that gets put in the wrong place I just override it's category |
| 18:45.51 | chiper | bigzero: as what? slippers? |
| 18:45.55 | Ellipsis | winkiller: I was thinking more along the lines of: one bag for gear, uses the rule "in any of my gear sets" and then your other bag (with duplicates removed) will be gear-free |
| 18:45.59 | Adys | Anyone in here using Opera/Netscape/Konqueror? |
| 18:47.15 | winkiller | ady, got Opera installed |
| 18:47.19 | winkiller | and kopnqu on lapütp |
| 18:47.25 | winkiller | *konqui |
| 18:47.59 | Recluse | the problem i had/have with arkinventory is that the 'category' for certain items is wiggy by default - wool cloth auto-dropped to blacksmithing category and such - i think it's a periodic table issue, but annoying nonetheless imo - does baggins use PT3? |
| 18:49.21 | winkiller | Ellipsis: yeah, maybe I should just rework my rules |
| 18:49.29 | winkiller | in general I am quite happy with Baggins |
| 18:49.45 | winkiller | just that you don't have an easy default way of making a "crap" bag |
| 18:49.45 | chiper | recluse: you know you can change the category an item gets assigned to, right? |
| 18:49.49 | winkiller | with all stuff you get :) |
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| 18:51.36 | cncfanatics | grrr, some idiot thing is trying to get LibRockEvent through ace3 |
| 18:51.37 | cncfanatics | how irritating |
| 18:51.45 | Recluse | chiper: oh, i know, but there are so many random "wtf?" moments, it got annoying to me - reassigning tons of items that me and PT3(?i think) don't agree match up. if it was just one or two here and there it'd be one thing, but it was several times a day (haven't used arkInv in 5+ months tho) |
| 18:52.00 | chiper | ah |
| 18:52.12 | CIA-8 | 03kergoth * r58669 10/branches/GatherMate/GatherMate.lua: GatherMate: fix typo that was breaking the fishing filter. |
| 18:52.22 | chiper | I was rather annoyed at the lack of some categories, like for pets or trade tools |
| 18:52.31 | chiper | mounts |
| 18:52.54 | pb_ee1 | Heya |
| 18:52.57 | Recluse | put 'em in a rule or something i suppose, but i get ya |
| 18:53.50 | Ellipsis | Recluse: Baggins *can* use PT3 for its sets, but it will run just fine without PT3 even installed |
| 18:54.12 | Ellipsis | you can create lots of rules based on Blizzard categorization and other inherent properties |
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| 18:55.53 | kergoth | kagaro: possible feature request: let the user adjust the icon scale differently for fish/mine/herb/gas. either that or have someone go over all the icons to make sure they're close to the same size, cause right now, it seems like the fish ones at least are smaller than the rest |
| 18:56.38 | Recluse | Ellipsis: if i have PT3 installed, does it auto-implement it? |
| 18:56.42 | Ellipsis | yes |
| 18:56.47 | kagaro | kergoth: the icos could use a redo for sure |
| 18:57.03 | kagaro | <-- fails at gimp |
| 18:57.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:57.30 | kergoth | same |
| 18:57.35 | kagaro | if anyone wants to go redo the icons be my guest |
| 18:58.04 | kergoth | the adamantite icons seem pretty nice, smooth edges, the rest, not so much |
| 18:58.18 | Ellipsis | so um, how usable is gathermate right now? |
| 18:58.21 | Recluse | i'll toy with it i suppose and see if it's my style XD nothin else to do :p |
| 18:58.30 | Xinhuan | Ellipsis, alpha status, may break anytime |
| 18:58.37 | Ellipsis | meh, what else is new |
| 18:58.43 | Stan_ | Ellipsis: it works good |
| 18:58.54 | Xinhuan | meaning features are unstable, and as we add stuff, existing stuff can break |
| 18:58.58 | Xinhuan | and the db format may change |
| 18:59.09 | [Ammo] | db format shouldn't need to change anymore but shrug |
| 18:59.14 | Ellipsis | so all the standard "zomg alpha" warnings apply |
| 18:59.16 | kergoth | january.. remembered my consortium benefits for once |
| 18:59.25 | Xinhuan | it shouldn't, but kagaro was considering changing it for quadrant searching |
| 18:59.29 | Ellipsis | but how *usable* is it...no major functionality missing, nothing that will crash my client? :P |
| 18:59.40 | Xinhuan | its usable |
| 18:59.54 | kergoth | it doesnta utomatically hide nodes for professions you don thave / arent tracking,s ot he map is a little crowded, but other than tha tit works great |
| 19:00.20 | Xinhuan | yep, but you can turn off the professions you don't have to hide them, and that's stored per-char |
| 19:00.23 | Ellipsis | hrm |
| 19:00.27 | Xinhuan | meaning you have to do this for each char |
| 19:00.39 | kergoth | ah, didnt know those settings were per char |
| 19:00.39 | kergoth | cool |
| 19:00.40 | Ellipsis | is there a datamined node db? |
| 19:00.43 | [Ammo] | which is perfectly fine :) |
| 19:00.46 | [Ammo] | yes ellipsis |
| 19:00.48 | Xinhuan | yes, branches - GatherMateData |
| 19:00.53 | Ellipsis | woot |
| 19:00.56 | [Ammo] | svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/GatherMateData/ |
| 19:01.10 | [Ammo] | the configdialog turned out quite usable |
| 19:01.13 | Xinhuan | #gathermate if you care, we fix bugs in there! |
| 19:01.14 | [Ammo] | even if it's generated |
| 19:01.18 | [Ammo] | no way ! |
| 19:01.19 | Ellipsis | awesome |
| 19:01.26 | Ellipsis | wait wait, bugs get fixed? |
| 19:01.28 | [Ammo] | the real bugs are fixed in a topsecret location :p |
| 19:01.29 | Ellipsis | psst, you guys are doing it wrong |
| 19:01.35 | Xinhuan | oh dear |
| 19:02.05 | Xinhuan | ya, a bunch of beta stuff going on |
| 19:02.53 | Ellipsis | maybe I'll give it a bit of testing...I've been meaning to level my alt's mining/herb >_< |
| 19:02.53 | Kalroth | Man, you guys are lousy programmers. A real programmer never produces or fixes bugs. He enhances code and changes features! |
| 19:03.33 | kagaro | Kalroth: thats just marketing |
| 19:03.47 | Kalroth | kagaro: No, that's meetings with the project manager. :) |
| 19:03.50 | Recluse | Yep, PT3 just boggles me lol - i have a scroll of str and one of agi in my bags. the agi shows in consumables bag, while the str one shows in trade goods... just doesn't make sense :p |
| 19:03.58 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan 07Talents * r58670 10WoWEquip/ (WoWEquip.lua WoWEquipData.lua): |
| 19:03.58 | CIA-8 | WoWEquip: |
| 19:03.58 | CIA-8 | - Add code to detect player talents |
| 19:03.58 | CIA-8 | - Remove some locals and comments |
| 19:04.00 | kagaro | or in Adman speak, Exciting new features, to change paradigms |
| 19:04.30 | kagaro | Kalroth: my PM's are engineers so execuspak fails |
| 19:04.32 | Ellipsis | Recluse: that's probably because of the priorities.... the str one is used in a blacksmithing recipe |
| 19:04.40 | kagaro | s/execuspak/execu-speak |
| 19:04.49 | Recluse | oh good lord XD |
| 19:04.55 | Ellipsis | if it was checking for consumables before tradeskill mats, it would put both scrolls in the same place |
| 19:04.58 | Kalroth | kagaro: Engineers can be suits too, it's not relative to their education, it's their job title. |
| 19:05.13 | kagaro | where im at, we got no suits |
| 19:05.26 | Recluse | Ellipsis: is there a.... way to edit those priorities? |
| 19:05.32 | Ellipsis | in which, baggins? |
| 19:05.45 | Kalroth | Lucky sod. I'm still convinced that Dilbert writes his stories based on where I work. |
| 19:05.59 | Recluse | well, baggins is what i'm testing atm, but would it be bag addon specific, or done in PT3? |
| 19:06.07 | Ellipsis | it would be specific to the addon |
| 19:06.18 | Ellipsis | in baggins, go to the section you want to be higher priority |
| 19:06.29 | kagaro | Kalroth, last job I was at, yeah it was dilbert world |
| 19:06.33 | Ellipsis | and raise the "section priority" on the slider |
| 19:06.43 | Ellipsis | you may also need to raise the bag's priority as well |
| 19:06.50 | Ellipsis | just fiddle with it until things look right |
| 19:07.16 | Recluse | slider? hrm |
| 19:07.21 | Kalroth | kagaro: Worst part is that my "pointy haired boss" laughs at the Dilberts that we print out and hang on the wall. |
| 19:07.32 | cncfanatics | weeee |
| 19:07.41 | cncfanatics | the start of my OO engine works :) |
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| 19:07.50 | Recluse | Ellipsis: ah, found it, nm |
| 19:07.51 | cncfanatics | I can create an object that inherits from a class :p |
| 19:07.52 | Kalroth | "Haha, that Dilbert is so funny, that's almost the same as what I said this morning" |
| 19:08.01 | cncfanatics | and I love the way how I implemented it haha |
| 19:09.21 | cncfanatics | Ellipsis, its just nice |
| 19:09.28 | cncfanatics | coding this way with metatables is new to me :) |
| 19:09.37 | Ellipsis | welcome to the dark depths of lua |
| 19:09.40 | Ellipsis | you will never escape now |
| 19:09.52 | kergoth | and will never want to |
| 19:10.25 | cncfanatics | why the heck would I want to miss metatables ? |
| 19:10.30 | cncfanatics | this owns java & php together :p |
| 19:10.38 | Ellipsis | blasphemy |
| 19:12.22 | chiper | oy, didnt realize how many of these IBM drives I had here. these things take forever to dismantly |
| 19:12.26 | chiper | *dismantle |
| 19:12.37 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 19:13.07 | chiper | this is what I do when I dont have orders to work on. I have a pile of dead hard drives that I tear apart for the magnets |
| 19:13.18 | NivFreak | hehe |
| 19:13.22 | chiper | it's how I "look busy" |
| 19:14.02 | kergoth | whats an addon to show what damn deck these cards belong to in their tooltips? |
| 19:14.07 | kergoth | i'm sick of looking it up on wowhead |
| 19:14.24 | Recluse | Ellipsis: yeah, several things show in multiple bags in baggins. very strange indeed! will have to heavily modify the settings to make it functional (for me) i think |
| 19:14.42 | Stan_ | phyber: [2008/01/17 19:18:45-636-x34]: FuBar_TopScoreFu-2.0\TopScoreFu.lua:410: attempt to index local 't' (a nil value) |
| 19:14.44 | Ellipsis | Recluse: you can disable that quickly |
| 19:15.25 | Ellipsis | just go to the fubar icon (or another method of getting the general baggins config) -> items -> hide duplicates -> global |
| 19:15.43 | Recluse | oh? (like i know heal pots are used in a couple enchants, but i don't want it shown in trade goods 'mats' section >.> looks like i have double the pots :p |
| 19:15.53 | Ellipsis | yeah |
| 19:15.58 | Ellipsis | that will make it so that each item is only shown once |
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| 19:16.20 | Ellipsis | then you can adjust the priority sliders to specify which place you want it to be shown |
| 19:16.43 | Recluse | Ellipsis: perfect! lol - now the slider from earlier will work like they should, i got it |
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| 19:17.52 | cncfanatics | anyone mind reading my code to see if its correct & efficient ? its short (60-ish lines with a good amount of comments) |
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| 19:18.46 | Osstia | i'd like to read it just to read it, but i am a novice and couldn't offer any suggestions i am sure |
| 19:20.49 | CIA-8 | 03pernicius * r58671 10LibMMButton-1.0/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:20.49 | CIA-8 | LibMMButton-1.0: initial commit |
| 19:20.49 | CIA-8 | - A simple library to handle an minimap button. |
| 19:21.03 | Recluse | Ellipsis: (since you know so much) is there ability to... change single item category? (like it shows my character's argent dawn trinket in the 'trash' category XD) |
| 19:21.05 | cncfanatics | Osstia, I'd doubt u'd understand it if you don't know metatables |
| 19:21.51 | cncfanatics | doing final tests myself atm also |
| 19:22.12 | Ellipsis | Recluse: alt-rightclick the item, and go to "add item to category" |
| 19:22.31 | Recluse | ah, alt modifier. got it, ty |
| 19:22.49 | NivFreak | I wonder how long it'll be before someone strips the DRM off apple's movie rentals |
| 19:22.56 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan 07Talents * r58672 10WoWEquip/WoWEquip.lua: WoWEquip: - Improve text displayed by sorting the talents |
| 19:24.00 | cncfanatics | NivFreak: not long |
| 19:24.07 | Xinhuan | what is it cncfanatics |
| 19:24.27 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: ? |
| 19:24.33 | cncfanatics | what is what ? :p |
| 19:24.40 | Xinhuan | what code am i reviewing? :) |
| 19:25.00 | cncfanatics | oh, soon |
| 19:25.03 | cncfanatics | let me first make it work will ya :p |
| 19:26.13 | Osstia | okay, thanks anyway cncfanatics |
| 19:26.23 | cncfanatics | found my error |
| 19:26.26 | cncfanatics | forgot a return -.- |
| 19:26.26 | cncfanatics | silly |
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| 19:27.31 | cncfanatics | http://cnc.pastey.net/80817 Xinhuan |
| 19:27.38 | cncfanatics | I'm starting on a decent OO engine :) |
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| 19:27.53 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: please tell me what you think |
| 19:28.06 | Xinhuan | 1. |
| 19:28.09 | Xinhuan | Don't use table.getn() |
| 19:28.11 | Xinhuan | use #t |
| 19:28.25 | cncfanatics | thats copy pasted from pil :p |
| 19:28.39 | Xinhuan | what does your search function do? |
| 19:28.40 | Josh_Borke | pil in this case is wrong |
| 19:28.43 | Josh_Borke | and hasn't been updated |
| 19:28.58 | Ellipsis | pil is never wrong!~ |
| 19:29.14 | kergoth | the pil on the web is the old edition isnt it? |
| 19:29.16 | Ellipsis | if we can't trust in pil, what *can* we trust? |
| 19:29.26 | CIA-8 | 03kagaro * r58673 10Cartographer_Fishing/addon.lua: Cartographer_Fishing: fixed minimap rotation directions |
| 19:29.35 | cncfanatics | well, possible |
| 19:29.39 | cncfanatics | I didn't actualy check the code |
| 19:29.45 | cncfanatics | the search function was there, and its handy for my purpose :) |
| 19:30.22 | Josh_Borke | kagaro: gathermate doesn't like fishing nodes |
| 19:30.24 | cncfanatics | anyway, how's the rest ? |
| 19:30.35 | Josh_Borke | kergoth: correct |
| 19:30.45 | Xinhuan | cncfanatics, what does the search function do? |
| 19:30.46 | kagaro | Josh: did you go fishing with it on ? |
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| 19:31.15 | Josh_Borke | kagaro: yes |
| 19:31.23 | kagaro | and it didnt add the node? |
| 19:31.30 | Josh_Borke | no, it gave me an error |
| 19:31.34 | Josh_Borke | i don't have the error handy |
| 19:31.44 | Recluse | no guild bank replacement frames in baggins tho :p |
| 19:32.00 | kagaro | hmm cause when I put the fish stuff in it was working for me in wetlands, ill retry it out tonight when I get home |
| 19:32.04 | Josh_Borke | kagaro: oh wait |
| 19:32.10 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: should be pretty self explainative from the rest |
| 19:32.16 | cncfanatics | its used for multiple class inheritance |
| 19:32.16 | Josh_Borke | i've got my swatter SV i can paste |
| 19:32.23 | kergoth | Josh_Borke: svn up |
| 19:32.34 | Josh_Borke | it happened this morning |
| 19:32.38 | kagaro | Josh: pasty it |
| 19:32.38 | cncfanatics | looks through every class a class inherited from and searchs for an the called variable |
| 19:32.43 | Josh_Borke | has there been an update since then? |
| 19:32.49 | kergoth | <CIA-8> kergoth * r58669 /branches/GatherMate/GatherMate.lua: GatherMate: fix typo that was breaking the fishing filter. |
| 19:32.54 | Xinhuan | ok cnc, look at lines 56 and 43 |
| 19:33.03 | Josh_Borke | probably then |
| 19:33.06 | Xinhuan | NewObject.Class = self; |
| 19:33.10 | Xinhuan | return self.Class[Key]; |
| 19:33.21 | Josh_Borke | http://ace.pastey.net/80818 |
| 19:33.23 | Xinhuan | you're returning self[Key] which is nil |
| 19:33.33 | Xinhuan | because __index only runs when you read a nil value |
| 19:33.46 | cncfanatics | sec sec |
| 19:34.07 | Xinhuan | unless self isn't the frame itself, but a string? |
| 19:34.14 | cncfanatics | it ain't a frame |
| 19:34.16 | cncfanatics | just a table |
| 19:34.23 | cncfanatics | sec, where ? |
| 19:34.42 | Xinhuan | line 54, what is "self"? |
| 19:34.48 | cncfanatics | the class :new() was called on |
| 19:35.00 | cncfanatics | .new(class, ...); |
| 19:35.07 | Thrae | Xinhuan: The ego, the id, and the superego? |
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| 19:35.20 | cncfanatics | usualy done as class:new(...); |
| 19:35.49 | Arcanefoam | good afternoon |
| 19:35.58 | Xinhuan | ah so its a rerence to the class prototype object? |
| 19:36.01 | Xinhuan | reference* |
| 19:36.09 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 19:36.36 | Xinhuan | code looks ok then |
| 19:36.36 | cncfanatics | look at the test at the bottom, shows how it works pretty much |
| 19:36.39 | Xinhuan | but you better test it |
| 19:36.56 | Xinhuan | but change the table.getn() |
| 19:37.04 | Xinhuan | to just #plist |
| 19:37.05 | cncfanatics | its tested |
| 19:37.13 | cncfanatics | look at the test at the bottom :) |
| 19:37.26 | cncfanatics | double inheritance class |
| 19:37.36 | Xinhuan | it looks ok |
| 19:38.02 | Xinhuan | if you have an object that inherits from more than 1 class, the later specified class will overwrite the earlier one for the same attributes, from what i can see? |
| 19:38.20 | phyber | Stan_: what were you doing when you got that error? |
| 19:38.23 | cncfanatics | atm, yes |
| 19:38.27 | phyber | I haven't touched that code recently |
| 19:38.34 | cncfanatics | Xinhuan: should add a check for that, hmmmm |
| 19:38.36 | Xinhuan | right, so as long as you're aware of that, you're good |
| 19:38.53 | cncfanatics | should error out when multiple classes declare the same var imo |
| 19:39.02 | Xinhuan | since that's the only bug you might come across if you have the same named atrributes/functions |
| 19:39.05 | cncfanatics | or should call both actualy, idealy |
| 19:39.12 | cncfanatics | idealy you'd call both |
| 19:39.17 | cncfanatics | with the same arguments |
| 19:39.21 | cncfanatics | imo at least |
| 19:39.29 | cncfanatics | or would crash out be more common practice ? |
| 19:40.11 | Stan_ | phyber: it might be my fault..I manually removed "mind blast normal" from my savedvars |
| 19:41.22 | Xinhuan | i don't know what the "common practice" is, that's really for you to define |
| 19:43.06 | cncfanatics | loop through em it is then |
| 19:43.35 | cncfanatics | just need to find a good way to do it |
| 19:43.44 | todd` | anyone know where I can find some information to help me assign points to BC bosses based on difficulty? |
| 19:44.12 | todd` | I was thinking about using kill counts on bosskillers, but that makes it hard to rank ZA bosses |
| 19:45.51 | cncfanatics | use the number of tries it takes to kill the boss ? |
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| 19:47.19 | todd` | hmm.. that's not bad, but I'm using this to rank guilds on a progression thread, and if attumen takes less tries than illidan, then that messes things up a little |
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| 19:48.35 | NeoTron | todd`: imho why bother? |
| 19:48.49 | cncfanatics | the less tries, the less points you'll get from a boss |
| 19:48.51 | cncfanatics | makes sense to me |
| 19:48.53 | NeoTron | but wowjutsu does have numbers |
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| 19:49.08 | cncfanatics | a boss thats killed on 1 try usualy shouldn't be worth more then a boss usualy killed in |
| 19:49.09 | cncfanatics | 3* |
| 19:49.32 | NeoTron | all bosses in our DKP system is worth 5 DKP |
| 19:49.36 | NeoTron | nice and simple |
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| 19:53.01 | Twist- | we just award points based on hours raided. |
| 19:53.16 | NeoTron | that works too |
| 19:54.00 | Recluse | one last initial query: does baggins have outfitter set support? |
| 19:54.01 | Twist- | In other guilds I've been in, nights spent wiping repeatedly which awarded no points were always a cause of complaints. |
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| 19:54.58 | Xinhuan | According to immortares @ EU Twisting Nether, running speed is 7 yards/second. Epic mount would be 14 yards/s, so (28*60+44)*14 = 24136 yards from Booty Bay to Chillwind Point, or 13.7 miles. |
| 19:55.04 | Xinhuan | Wow, Azeroth is small. That's like, downtown Toronto to Mississauga. Or, Richmond to San Francisco. Or Chicago to Gary, or Jersey City to the Bronx... |
| 19:55.48 | Josh_Borke | those mounts move damn fast |
| 19:55.49 | Recluse | yep, i always felt the world should be larger - at _least_ 10x the landmass |
| 19:56.03 | Josh_Borke | Recluse: always have walk on |
| 19:56.05 | Josh_Borke | you'll be fine |
| 19:56.06 | Twist- | Yeah.. our cities would be smaller too if we could stow our cars in our backpacks when we weren't using them. |
| 19:56.12 | phyber | Stan_: it probably is then :p remove them in game using the purge menu ;) |
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| 19:57.20 | NeoTron | WoW definitely isn't BIG in any way |
| 19:57.28 | Nocts | Hunters are overpowered. |
| 19:57.36 | Ellipsis | I lol'ed |
| 19:57.48 | NeoTron | SWG for example was bigger (more planets) |
| 19:58.03 | NeoTron | however WoW is more detailed |
| 19:58.12 | Xinhuan | what's the running speed you can achieve irl? |
| 19:58.17 | NeoTron | making a large AND detailed landscape, that's the trick |
| 19:58.21 | Xinhuan | 10m/sec is sprinting speed |
| 19:58.22 | CIA-8 | 03pernicius 07pernicius * r58674 10AtlasOfAzeroth/AtlasOfAzeroth/ (9 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:58.22 | CIA-8 | AtlasOfAzeroth: |
| 19:58.22 | CIA-8 | - new library LibMMButton-1.0 |
| 19:58.22 | CIA-8 | - removed outdated MMButton.lua |
| 19:58.22 | CIA-8 | - minimal changes of PlayerPOI |
| 19:58.22 | Josh_Borke | no 7 yards/s |
| 19:58.27 | Xinhuan | but what is that in yards? |
| 19:58.43 | Josh_Borke | ~google 10 meters in yards |
| 19:58.54 | Josh_Borke | 10.936133 yards |
| 19:59.03 | Josh_Borke | i don't believ you can run that fast, can you? |
| 19:59.09 | Xinhuan | so in wow, running speed is 7 yards/second |
| 19:59.16 | Xinhuan | i think its possible? |
| 19:59.47 | Xinhuan | ~google 7 yards in meters |
| 19:59.58 | Xinhuan | hey that didn't work ;d |
| 20:00.04 | Xinhuan | brb google toolbar |
| 20:00.17 | Xinhuan | 6.4008 meters |
| 20:00.29 | Xinhuan | definitely doable |
| 20:00.56 | NeoTron | what is unrealistic isn't the speed |
| 20:01.00 | NeoTron | but that we ALWAYS move at that speed, indefinitely |
| 20:01.06 | Xinhuan | so a flying mount is flying at 380% == 24.32304 meters per second :D |
| 20:01.14 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 20:01.14 | NeoTron | but it'd suck to get tired :P |
| 20:01.28 | NeoTron | ~google 24.32 m/s in km/h |
| 20:01.40 | Josh_Borke | the average person runs 4.7 yards/s |
| 20:01.58 | NeoTron | 87.55 km/h |
| 20:02.03 | Xinhuan | 24.32304/1000*60*60 |
| 20:02.08 | Xinhuan | ~24.32304/1000*60*60 |
| 20:02.08 | purl | 87.562944 |
| 20:02.08 | Josh_Borke | over 1000 meters |
| 20:02.13 | Xinhuan | where's purl |
| 20:02.18 | Xinhuan | there |
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| 20:02.30 | Josh_Borke | what units is that Xinhuan? |
| 20:02.35 | NeoTron | 54 mph |
| 20:02.40 | Xinhuan | km/hr |
| 20:03.00 | Xinhuan | a flying mount is 87.56 km/hr at the rate of 24.323 meters per second (6.4m x 380%) |
| 20:04.24 | snurre | hm,. whats a good lvling spec for pally? |
| 20:04.37 | NeoTron | depends on your level |
| 20:04.41 | NeoTron | and play style |
| 20:04.49 | snurre | 12 :p |
| 20:05.04 | snurre | just installed wow again, havent played since may |
| 20:05.46 | Twist- | start out with holy until you've maxed spiritual attunement |
| 20:05.55 | Twist- | then start working up the ret tree |
| 20:06.01 | Twist- | assuming you're soloing |
| 20:07.03 | Twist- | er, spiritual focus |
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| 20:07.48 | Twist- | point being, you want to be able to heal yourself while things are punching you in the face. |
| 20:08.12 | Nocts | Or save the talent points and just bubble. |
| 20:08.18 | snurre | yeh |
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| 20:08.43 | Twist- | that's great if you only need to heal once per fight |
| 20:09.09 | Nocts | I can't image it as ret, really. Needing it more than once. |
| 20:09.31 | Nocts | If you're fighting mass mobs, go protection. AoE grinding is the fastest I've ever leveled a paladin. That's when uninterruptable healing was more important. |
| 20:09.37 | Twist- | elites, multiple mobs, and chain pulling |
| 20:09.44 | Nocts | 1v40= decent exp |
| 20:10.07 | Twist- | healing while aoe grinding is the place for a bubble |
| 20:10.18 | Nocts | Ah |
| 20:10.29 | Twist- | with 20 mobs on you, the pushback overwhelms focus anyway |
| 20:10.59 | Twist- | prot grinding is a deep prot thing though.. it's great for the 50-70 push |
| 20:11.40 | Nocts | <--did it at level 20 |
| 20:11.52 | NeoTron | early on retribution is better |
| 20:12.01 | NeoTron | rarely do you need to heal mid-combat that early on |
| 20:12.26 | Twist- | I guess it depends on the pace you're trying for |
| 20:13.00 | cncfanatics | LOL |
| 20:13.10 | cncfanatics | I'm calling self[key] in an __index of a metatable |
| 20:13.12 | Twist- | I found that without focus, unexpected adds would often lay me out. |
| 20:13.12 | cncfanatics | and i'm wondering why I get an overflow |
| 20:14.19 | Nocts | cncfanatics: lawl |
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| 20:17.27 | CIA-8 | 03nevcairiel * r58675 10/branches/GatherMate/Constants.lua: GatherMate: fix typo in truesilver icon name |
| 20:18.05 | Nocts | wtb 2.4 |
| 20:18.39 | dre^ | be careful what you wish for ;) a lot of key mods aren't ready yet! |
| 20:18.51 | Nocts | lol |
| 20:19.00 | dre^ | is 2.4 on ptr yet? |
| 20:19.00 | Byrdee | *waves* hi |
| 20:19.03 | NeoTron | dre^: that's why we need the PTR up yeah? :P |
| 20:19.08 | Nocts | o/ |
| 20:19.14 | dre^ | heh guess not |
| 20:19.59 | dre^ | last ptr phase I vastly enjoyed pwning the premades with my main. maybe next time they'll give everybody arena season 1 gear, or perhaps tier 4 |
| 20:20.29 | kenlyric | when people say wtb 2.4, they mean 2.4 ptr. |
| 20:20.40 | dre^ | *nod* |
| 20:20.43 | Gngsk | Xinhuan, ping |
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| 20:27.29 | Nocts | I'm hoping they eventually get their asses together and upgrade the engine/models. |
| 20:27.32 | Chompers | wipe three on karathress :o |
| 20:27.41 | Nocts | >< |
| 20:27.45 | Chompers | people need to l2p :/ |
| 20:27.45 | Mudkipz | months behind. |
| 20:29.00 | NeoTron | that fight was a bit rough until we changed strat |
| 20:29.14 | NeoTron | oh sorry I meant to say... |
| 20:29.16 | NeoTron | months behind |
| 20:29.50 | KarlThePagan | you know I don't think the WoW models are that bad |
| 20:30.08 | KarlThePagan | the one thing that would drastically improve the look of the game is normal maps on most surfaces |
| 20:30.29 | KarlThePagan | normal maps on all terrain and statics would look really good |
| 20:30.34 | Nocts | The Nelf model, while hot sex, still looks like it came from something out of 98 |
| 20:30.48 | KarlThePagan | it's warcraft :P |
| 20:30.57 | Nocts | And? |
| 20:31.03 | KarlThePagan | the game as a whole should kind of look like warcraft |
| 20:31.09 | Nocts | It does. |
| 20:31.15 | Nocts | But that doesn't excuse pixel placements. |
| 20:31.19 | Nocts | Geometric curves. |
| 20:31.28 | Nocts | The very muscles of the Nelf, not the Belfs, are blocky. |
| 20:31.35 | Nocts | Not "warcraft", it was bad 3d design. |
| 20:32.02 | Nocts | The Neves in WC3 were muscular, but it didn't look like they had cardboard boxes in their legs. |
| 20:32.24 | Mudkipz | wow models aren't bad at all |
| 20:32.28 | Mudkipz | I like the cartoony look |
| 20:32.37 | Mudkipz | if only it didn't shit on your computer in shattrath so much |
| 20:32.44 | chiper | some of the equipment textures could really stand a resolution boost |
| 20:32.53 | chiper | especially in the lower levels |
| 20:33.13 | KarlThePagan | yea I'm with you there chiper ... even on high-rez textures the Hellreaver texture is just a tad blocky |
| 20:33.29 | chiper | the 61+ equipment all looks nice and sharp, but the earlier stuff all shows it's age |
| 20:33.51 | KarlThePagan | eh, I'm playing at really high rez and I'm not pleased with all the outlands stuff |
| 20:33.51 | chiper | chainmail is all blurry |
| 20:33.56 | NeoTron | less realistic models look better because they are less realistics |
| 20:34.10 | Nocts | I'm not asking for realism |
| 20:34.10 | NeoTron | ultra-realistic graphics makes us see all the little flaws much clearer even if it really is better |
| 20:34.15 | Nocts | Just a better hand at the design. |
| 20:34.22 | Nocts | The BEves, Dran, for instance. |
| 20:34.23 | NeoTron | but animations and such look good in WoW I think. |
| 20:34.28 | ckknight | hey Byrdee |
| 20:34.32 | Nocts | A lot more polygons were used in their creation. |
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| 20:34.44 | NeoTron | I tried EQ2 once and it was horribly bad. the walking animation looks like they had nailed a board to the back of the character |
| 20:34.47 | Nocts | They could do a simply polygon count improvement, keep the general feeling, and we'd have decent looking, upgraded models. |
| 20:34.56 | NeoTron | sure |
| 20:35.06 | KarlThePagan | I would accept that on the original races |
| 20:35.10 | chiper | I dont want realism, I just want textures that arent all blurry at 1400x900 |
| 20:35.11 | NeoTron | but the ever-arching argument - new content or spiffying up old content |
| 20:35.18 | kaiden- | Byrdee, For a good time whisper me ;) (dont tell Nocts he wont understand, as i give him good times too) |
| 20:35.19 | Nocts | Aye, not asking for new |
| 20:35.30 | NeoTron | ah but that's what you need to look at |
| 20:35.37 | Nocts | Byrdee: kaiden gives the bests blowjobs known to mankind |
| 20:35.41 | NeoTron | we either get new content OR they work on improving oldcontent |
| 20:35.48 | Nocts | NeoTron: Fair enough |
| 20:35.51 | KarlThePagan | meh... I'm sure they have some interns they can afford to throw at the problem :P |
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| 20:35.57 | NeoTron | doing one will take resources away from the other |
| 20:36.23 | chiper | they're bound to have the original fullsize texture files that they can re-encode |
| 20:36.32 | KarlThePagan | mythical man month NeoTron :P |
| 20:36.34 | kaiden- | Nocts, hells yeah i do |
| 20:36.51 | CIA-8 | 03nebelmond * r58676 10Innervator/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:36.51 | CIA-8 | Innervator: |
| 20:36.51 | CIA-8 | - added sounds to choose from |
| 20:36.51 | CIA-8 | - added flashing screen edges as a warning feature |
| 20:36.51 | CIA-8 | - added statistics in fubar tooltip |
| 20:36.52 | CIA-8 | - added multiple small enhancements |
| 20:37.08 | Nocts | chiper: The ideal solution would be multiple texture sizes and resolutions based on race. |
| 20:37.16 | Nocts | But that would just increase RAM usage versus reusing existing data. |
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| 20:38.04 | chiper | Nocts: the texture resolution should scale based on user settings. if the user sets the resolution high, one would expect they have the ram to fill |
| 20:38.14 | KarlThePagan | word |
| 20:38.26 | KarlThePagan | I love my new machine... peg'd at 59fps |
| 20:38.33 | Nocts | chiper: nicely said |
| 20:38.41 | Nocts | That would allow multitexture application without stretching |
| 20:38.49 | Nocts | And ass textures for those who like it. |
| 20:38.58 | chiper | wow already does this |
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| 20:39.02 | KarlThePagan | not enough |
| 20:39.06 | Nocts | ^ |
| 20:39.07 | chiper | my point is they need to add another tier |
| 20:39.10 | KarlThePagan | yea |
| 20:39.24 | KarlThePagan | and add normal maps! |
| 20:39.25 | chiper | as computer resolutions increase, so should the textures |
| 20:39.34 | KarlThePagan | normal maps! normal maps! |
| 20:39.41 | KarlThePagan | and real HDR |
| 20:39.42 | chiper | wtf are you talking about? |
| 20:39.54 | KarlThePagan | i'm talking about normal maps |
| 20:39.56 | chiper | define: normal maps |
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| 20:40.07 | KarlThePagan | ~google normal map |
| 20:40.17 | KarlThePagan | heh |
| 20:40.21 | KarlThePagan | "bump maps" |
| 20:40.24 | Mudkipz | guys WTF?! http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seederszq6.jpg |
| 20:40.27 | chiper | oh, bump maps |
| 20:40.38 | chiper | yeah, there is a general lack of bump mapping in WoW |
| 20:40.38 | Nocts | bump maps brings back Qbasic lessons -.- |
| 20:40.43 | KarlThePagan | almost the same thing, smilar concept |
| 20:40.47 | KarlThePagan | yea there's none... |
| 20:41.14 | KarlThePagan | normal maps on statics & terrain would be pretty inexpensive |
| 20:41.23 | KarlThePagan | and for beefy machines normal map everything |
| 20:41.33 | chiper | afk, lunch |
| 20:41.44 | haste | Mudkipz: obviously a bug |
| 20:42.01 | Mudkipz | i lol'd hard |
| 20:42.13 | Mudkipz | doing my morning pass thru mininova and BAM LEEEEEEECHEEEEEEEERS |
| 20:43.11 | Nocts | Mudkipz: Good choice of software, I see on your computer |
| 20:43.20 | Mudkipz | o rly? |
| 20:43.35 | Nocts | pidgin = win, firefox = mostly win, vent = fail, winamp = fail, spbot = win, utorrent - way win, tweaked uxtheme = win |
| 20:43.48 | KarlThePagan | afk... going to stab steve jobs in the eye for Apple Software Update locking up my Vista explorer |
| 20:44.10 | Recluse | vent = fail? XD |
| 20:44.48 | Nocts | I'm a TS person for a plethora of reasons. |
| 20:45.07 | Recluse | D= ts? really? |
| 20:45.08 | Nocts | 1. Multi-client for 13 OSes, 2. Same codecs as Vent 3. Prefer the interface 4. Prefer the licensing |
| 20:45.08 | Arrowmaster | they both suck |
| 20:45.14 | kaiden- | Nocts, yes but.. if winamp = fail what = win? FOOBAR2000! |
| 20:45.21 | Nocts | FOOBAR2000 |
| 20:45.26 | Recluse | ts has... really poor sound quality, tho |
| 20:45.38 | Nocts | It has the exact same codecs |
| 20:45.40 | Nocts | BUT |
| 20:45.48 | Nocts | TS starts out on a lower codec for dialup users. |
| 20:45.57 | Nocts | Bump it up to what Vent uses by default and it's identical. |
| 20:46.10 | Keias | Thats why TS sucks, because it acknowledges that dialup users still really exist |
| 20:46.16 | Nocts | kaiden-:Since the entire winamp team left when AOL bought out, and went to foobar2000. epic win |
| 20:46.24 | Recluse | people still use dialup? :p, but seriously, dialup should be banned |
| 20:46.30 | Mudkipz | yeah |
| 20:46.35 | kergoth | is there a wow addon updater that 1) isn't bound to just one site, and 2) can -remove- modules from packages like cartographer/bigwigs/whatever, instead of re-adding them after i remove them.. |
| 20:46.39 | Nocts | Some cities, that's all they have. |
| 20:46.45 | Mudkipz | one of the reasons they need to change the definition of broadband in the US |
| 20:46.54 | Mudkipz | people are getting ripped off for mediocre speeds at high prices |
| 20:46.59 | Nocts | ^ |
| 20:47.12 | Nocts | Mudkipz: I'm enjoying you so far. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter |
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| 20:47.22 | [Liquidor] | Anyone know Czech? |
| 20:47.31 | Mudkipz | so i herd you liek mudkipz |
| 20:47.42 | [Liquidor] | speaking* |
| 20:47.53 | Nocts | ya,u c thru me |
| 20:47.56 | Mudkipz | Czech women are hot |
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| 20:48.09 | kaiden- | Nocts, i see your underwear.. |
| 20:48.12 | kaiden- | and they aren't pretty |
| 20:48.20 | Nocts | I'm not wearing any :O |
| 20:48.26 | Nocts | iz buttsex hare |
| 20:48.35 | Mudkipz | ceiling-kaiden- is watching you masturbate |
| 20:48.36 | Nocts | Mudkipz: Actually, black asians are the sex. |
| 20:48.55 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastebin.ca/858972 line 101, how can Constructors EVER be nil ? |
| 20:48.59 | cncfanatics | this is irritating the shit out of me |
| 20:49.07 | kaiden- | Nocts, LOL! |
| 20:50.05 | Nocts | gg Byrdee |
| 20:50.09 | kaiden- | HAHA! |
| 20:50.14 | kaiden- | did she try ping flooding you? |
| 20:50.20 | Nocts | I have no idea what she was doing |
| 20:50.24 | Nocts | First time, remember? |
| 20:50.33 | kaiden- | Nocts, story of your life eh? |
| 20:50.34 | kaiden- | :) |
| 20:50.39 | Nocts | LOL |
| 20:50.46 | Nocts | fucking awesome |
| 20:51.08 | kaiden- | girl meets boy, boy introduces girl to irc, girl trys haxing the planet |
| 20:51.12 | kaiden- | and then floods herself offline |
| 20:51.17 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: because Constructors is a reference to the undefined object |
| 20:51.25 | CIA-8 | 03kagaro * r58677 10/branches/GatherMate/Sextant.lua: Distance tool and map pins thingy, not in use started not refreenced and shouldnt get loaded t all right now |
| 20:51.32 | Josh_Borke | lua> local test = { bob = function() return test end }; print(test.bob()) |
| 20:51.32 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: nil |
| 20:51.38 | Josh_Borke | lua> local test = { bob = function() return test end }; print(tostring(test.bob())) |
| 20:51.38 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: nil |
| 20:51.38 | *** mode/#wowace [+v KarlThePagan] by ChanServ |
| 20:51.47 | Josh_Borke | lua> local test = 'fred'; local test = { bob = function() return test end }; print(tostring(test.bob())) |
| 20:51.47 | lua_bot | Josh_Borke: fred |
| 20:51.52 | Nocts | kaiden-: hahaha |
| 20:52.00 | Nocts | She's an old friend, but.. well.. |
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| 20:52.08 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: see? |
| 20:52.17 | Xinhuan | Josh_Borke, you can't reference itself in the table unless pre-declared |
| 20:52.18 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 20:52.21 | cncfanatics | sigh |
| 20:52.22 | cncfanatics | sucks |
| 20:52.28 | Xinhuan | by Josh_Borke, i meant cncfanatics |
| 20:52.29 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 20:52.34 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: gfy |
| 20:52.39 | Josh_Borke | by Xinhuan, i meant Xinhuan |
| 20:52.43 | Josh_Borke | :-P |
| 20:52.50 | Xinhuan | ~lart Josh_Borke |
| 20:52.50 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if Josh_Borke doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 20:52.52 | [Liquidor] | :S I can't find Waldo http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/waldo |
| 20:52.58 | Josh_Borke | oh, ok |
| 20:53.05 | Josh_Borke | gfy = go fuck yourself :-P |
| 20:53.35 | Nocts | go fuck YourMomsHero |
| 20:53.49 | kaiden- | i'm my moms hero though |
| 20:53.51 | Mudkipz | hmm |
| 20:53.52 | kaiden- | yay fun time |
| 20:53.57 | kaiden- | lets make sexy fun time with my hands |
| 20:54.05 | Xinhuan | so cnc, you just need to define that variable, before assigning something to it hehe |
| 20:54.13 | Mudkipz | I'll try and install foobar2k for my next build |
| 20:54.20 | Mudkipz | although I've been a fan of winamp since 2.x |
| 20:54.24 | kaiden- | Mudkipz, foobar2k is the sex in a handbasket |
| 20:54.31 | Xinhuan | so that it will work by upvalues |
| 20:54.36 | Xinhuan | or it won't work otherwise |
| 20:54.58 | Nocts | I don't know what it is about this fabric, but I can't get my nipples to go back down. |
| 20:55.15 | Osstia | nice |
| 20:55.16 | kaiden- | Nocts, LOL! |
| 20:55.23 | Osstia | i need underwears made from that |
| 20:55.27 | kaiden- | HAHA |
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| 20:56.29 | Ellipsis | o.O |
| 20:56.33 | Ellipsis | if he is, he's really bad at it |
| 20:56.37 | Osstia | sorry ellipsis |
| 20:56.40 | Mudkipz | Ellipsis knows |
| 20:56.50 | Ellipsis | I know everything |
| 20:56.50 | Nocts | Ellipsis has seen my nipples |
| 20:57.05 | Nocts | That's a tongue cutting right there. |
| 20:57.30 | Fisker- | one does not simply anti-lick into Mudkipz |
| 20:57.41 | Ellipsis | that's what you think, Fisker- |
| 20:57.45 | Ellipsis | have you ever tried it? |
| 20:57.46 | kaiden- | Nocts gives great lovin |
| 20:57.50 | Ellipsis | hmm? have you? |
| 20:57.55 | Osstia | wow. all this nipple and licking talk is not good for my work productivity |
| 20:58.27 | Fisker- | sure is |
| 20:58.27 | Ellipsis | IRC at work is a no-no |
| 20:58.41 | kaiden- | uhm.. since win? |
| 20:58.44 | kaiden- | :P |
| 20:58.47 | Fisker- | btw [Liquidor] obvious shock flash is obviooooooooooous |
| 20:58.52 | kaiden- | and i talk about the most horribly dirty stuff you could imagine |
| 20:58.52 | Mudkipz | I was watching Perfect Stranger yesterday |
| 20:58.55 | Mudkipz | for the lulz |
| 20:59.33 | Osstia | I have irc'd at work since 1996 |
| 20:59.43 | Osstia | its what makes work bearable |
| 20:59.47 | Nocts | I remember when kaiden- and Ellipsis joined me on a three-lover adventure into an old nickle arcade and proceeded to orgy to the origonal tune of Space Invaders, knocking over the Donkey Kong and Mario sign. |
| 20:59.54 | Mudkipz | Osstia - IRC'd at work since 1996 |
| 21:00.04 | Ellipsis | omg Nocts, that was supposed to be our little secret to share :( |
| 21:00.04 | Osstia | thank you Mudkipz |
| 21:00.14 | Nocts | Ellipsis: :( oicy |
| 21:00.14 | kaiden- | Nocts :( |
| 21:00.17 | Osstia | i need a website for that |
| 21:00.18 | Mudkipz | sounds like a brand haha |
| 21:00.31 | kaiden- | it's not my fault my winky dances to the mario tune |
| 21:00.38 | Osstia | or a tshirt |
| 21:00.40 | Nocts | Is that what you call your man meat? |
| 21:00.42 | Nocts | Your winky? |
| 21:00.55 | Mudkipz | ® |
| 21:01.13 | Nocts | That's like Hulk Hogan naming his car Daisy |
| 21:01.27 | Nocts | Or Penelope |
| 21:01.28 | [Liquidor] | Fisker-, I can't find him :(( |
| 21:01.31 | Osstia | I call it my peppermint patty |
| 21:01.40 | Osstia | or pp for short |
| 21:01.44 | Mudkipz | ™ |
| 21:01.45 | Ellipsis | does it taste like peppermint? |
| 21:01.51 | kaiden- | Nocts, it's because i was trying to be respectful of the underage peoples in here |
| 21:01.54 | Osstia | you'd have to tell me |
| 21:02.00 | Nocts | expected. |
| 21:02.01 | kaiden- | i could have said my donkey cock.. but i wanted to be nice |
| 21:02.02 | kaiden- | :) |
| 21:02.06 | Osstia | haha |
| 21:02.19 | Nocts | I don't imagine donkey's having large cocks. |
| 21:02.21 | Nocts | Wait |
| 21:02.23 | Mudkipz | i put my cell on mario world theme bgm |
| 21:02.24 | Nocts | Don't they lay eggs? |
| 21:02.30 | Mudkipz | lemme tell you... it attracts douches |
| 21:02.38 | Mudkipz | don't do it unless you're in the right crowd |
| 21:02.57 | kaiden- | Nocts, uhm.... what planet are you from |
| 21:02.59 | kaiden- | ;p |
| 21:03.26 | Nocts | ~goggle planet+Nocts -site:geography.com |
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| 21:03.33 | Nocts | fail. |
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| 21:04.49 | Ellipsis | goggle? |
| 21:04.56 | Nocts | >< |
| 21:04.58 | Nocts | spank me |
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| 21:05.03 | Nocts | they do nothing. |
| 21:05.06 | FreeIIRC | hey |
| 21:05.07 | Nocts | ~google planet+Nocts -site:geography.com |
| 21:05.32 | FreeIIRC | where can i get a model viewer. im trying to find out what 'i' would look like on a mount |
| 21:06.51 | Osstia | http://www.google.com/search?q=wow+model+viewer |
| 21:07.16 | Fin | ---> search engines ---> this way ---> |
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| 21:07.28 | Fin | ~ask |
| 21:07.29 | purl | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 21:07.53 | FreeIIRC | damn |
| 21:07.55 | FreeIIRC | im not sure |
| 21:08.00 | FreeIIRC | if ... where can i get a model viewer. im trying to find out what 'i' would look like on a mount |
| 21:08.04 | FreeIIRC | was direct enough |
| 21:08.05 | FreeIIRC | lol |
| 21:08.14 | Osstia | asked and answered. move on |
| 21:08.21 | FreeIIRC | haha i know |
| 21:08.25 | Fin | looks like the replies you got weren't direct enough either? |
| 21:08.25 | FreeIIRC | dont know what fin is flippign about |
| 21:08.36 | Fin | yep, I'm flippin |
| 21:09.00 | Nocts | www.wowmodelviewer.org |
| 21:09.02 | Nocts | Solved. |
| 21:09.02 | Fin | watch me flip here, it's crazy |
| 21:09.04 | Chompers | sounds gangsta, fin |
| 21:09.09 | Chompers | or 90s |
| 21:09.11 | Mudkipz | ganksta* |
| 21:09.39 | Fin | whatever it is, I can tell you for certain that I am without a doubt flippin right now |
| 21:09.56 | Fin | wow just watch me go |
| 21:10.00 | FreeIIRC | calm down |
| 21:10.01 | FreeIIRC | lol |
| 21:10.09 | Fin | I can't |
| 21:10.12 | Fin | I'm flippin |
| 21:10.15 | FreeIIRC | haha |
| 21:10.16 | Chompers | bring out the tazers |
| 21:10.17 | Fin | I'm just mad, crazy, me |
| 21:10.20 | Fin | woo |
| 21:10.24 | Mudkipz | o shi-- tazers |
| 21:10.33 | Fin | dip trip |
| 21:10.36 | Fin | flip fantasia |
| 21:10.44 | Nocts | T7 gear: http://tinyurl.com/3bhkxw |
| 21:10.57 | Mudkipz | ITS A TRAP |
| 21:11.17 | Chompers | sexy sexy t7 |
| 21:11.28 | Fin | can I stop flippin now |
| 21:11.41 | Fin | woo, look, I'm crazy |
| 21:11.52 | Fin | grr |
| 21:12.11 | Fin | grr |
| 21:12.47 | Fin | wooo |
| 21:13.01 | FreeIIRC | i dont get it |
| 21:13.08 | Fin | what's not to get man |
| 21:13.39 | Nocts | Did you know?: Fin also means stop. |
| 21:14.00 | Fin | golly no I DID NOT KNOW THAT thanks |
| 21:14.45 | Nocts | So stop. |
| 21:14.46 | Fin | is that correct, FreeIIRC? |
| 21:14.46 | Killmore | Chompers: where ? |
| 21:15.10 | FreeIIRC | Fin, that was 5 mins ago man. you're just being obnoxious right now. |
| 21:15.21 | Fin | I was being obnoxious long before now |
| 21:15.47 | Fin | now I'm flippin in doubletime! |
| 21:15.57 | Fin | kerrazy |
| 21:16.08 | Nocts | Just use your client ignore list. |
| 21:16.16 | Fin | it's there for a reason |
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| 21:16.51 | Osstia | and the reason is youuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 21:16.56 | Osstia | </hoobastank> |
| 21:16.58 | FreeIIRC | Fin |
| 21:17.04 | Fin | FreeIIRC |
| 21:17.06 | HotFO-blama | Hey, does anyone knwo this link that tells how to switch from standalone libs to embedded? |
| 21:17.08 | FreeIIRC | If I wear near you. I'd slit your throat |
| 21:17.16 | Nocts | LOL |
| 21:17.17 | Fin | man you be flippin |
| 21:17.18 | Nocts | *were |
| 21:17.19 | exor674 | Anna: /w 31 |
| 21:17.20 | Nocts | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 21:17.21 | exor674 | er |
| 21:17.22 | Ellipsis | good thing you're only ever naked? |
| 21:17.28 | Nocts | Ellipsis: HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH |
| 21:17.45 | Fin | yo |
| 21:17.59 | Fin | I think we may need some bitches though |
| 21:18.02 | HotFO-blama | Hey, does anyone knwo this link that tells how to switch from standalone libs to embedded? |
| 21:18.02 | Fin | at least a ho |
| 21:18.13 | FreeIIRC | Let me call your mother |
| 21:18.15 | FreeIIRC | one sec |
| 21:18.20 | Nocts | HotFO-blama: Gimme a sec |
| 21:18.21 | Nocts | Using WAU? |
| 21:18.28 | HotFO-blama | I found it :] |
| 21:18.29 | HotFO-blama | sorry |
| 21:18.37 | Fin | I knew you'd have the contacts to rustle us up some meat |
| 21:18.42 | Ellipsis | ahahahaha |
| 21:18.44 | NeoTron | Fin, FreeIIRC - go find a sanbox to play in |
| 21:18.45 | Ellipsis | Fin, I love you |
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| 21:19.01 | NeoTron | Ellipsis: you are.. weird. |
| 21:19.12 | Fin | people honestly should use the ignore features more often |
| 21:19.12 | Nocts | NeoTron: Fuck you. |
| 21:19.16 | Fin | they're surprisingly effective |
| 21:19.23 | Ellipsis | NeoTron: what else is new? |
| 21:19.50 | NeoTron | Nocts: what is wrong with you now? |
| 21:20.09 | Ellipsis | he doesn't like it when people are mean to me :P |
| 21:20.12 | Fin | seriously though, I'm going to stop flipping now, whatever the fuck that is |
| 21:21.29 | Fin | I apologise for any inconvenience caused and promise to avoid any further flippage to the best of my abilities |
| 21:22.00 | Fin | seriously, I'm sorry |
| 21:23.37 | Osstia | i have a feeling someone is still talking |
| 21:23.42 | Osstia | unignore time |
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| 21:24.40 | Fin | you really don't need to inform the person you're ignoring or unignoring of that fact, and, if you're honest with yourself, don't you think that might be even perhaps inviting them to piss you off a little bit more? |
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| 21:25.07 | Ellipsis | REPORTED |
| 21:25.12 | Osstia | haha |
| 21:25.15 | Osstia | i <3 fin |
| 21:25.15 | Nocts | How would they piss off that person any more when blocked? |
| 21:26.00 | zebogo | hey, I was wondering if any of you could answer a question about ace2? |
| 21:26.08 | Kivin | ~asktoask |
| 21:26.08 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 21:26.09 | Fin | you wouldn't, nocts, but, you're saying this person is pissing you off, tell me, is the solution to a) put him on ignore and do your best to forget about him or b) tell him that you're putting him on your ignore list? |
| 21:26.20 | Nocts | Fin: Agreed. I think it's just their unfair poke in the eye. |
| 21:26.32 | zebogo | I've never used an ace mod before - new at wow and all that - and I'm thinking of downloading a few |
| 21:26.44 | zebogo | do I have to have a core mod for them to work? |
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| 21:26.48 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:26.50 | Ellipsis | nope |
| 21:26.58 | Ellipsis | each addon includes everything it needs |
| 21:27.02 | Pkekyo| | g'morning all |
| 21:27.03 | Kivin | zebogo: All ace mods come with the ability to embed the framework inside them |
| 21:27.03 | Fin | but, it's such a silly thing to do "I want to ignore you thus I will address you" |
| 21:27.07 | zebogo | thankee all |
| 21:27.09 | Osstia | OR you can say you are ingoring/unignoring to prod the cpnversation along during a slow time in your day |
| 21:27.14 | Ellipsis | mornin Pkekyo| |
| 21:27.22 | Pkekyo| | anything fun happening? |
| 21:27.34 | Fin | sure, that's perfectly acceptable - but that's just trolling 101 |
| 21:27.48 | Osstia | yes |
| 21:27.55 | Fin | I'm like, serious |
| 21:28.07 | Osstia | and sometimes i have to play along because of a lack of trolls around |
| 21:28.17 | Fin | there are no trolls in #wowace |
| 21:28.26 | Fin | it's a problem |
| 21:28.27 | Kivin | Fin: Sometimes I wonder about that |
| 21:28.38 | Osstia | morning kivin |
| 21:28.43 | Kivin | good afternoon |
| 21:28.44 | Pkekyo| | Fin: I'm not a troll? :< |
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| 21:29.31 | Fin | I'm sorry FreeIIRC left though, I wanted to say what I really thought of him before demonstrating the ignore command properly :( I thought that would've been quite clever |
| 21:29.40 | Fin | I enjoy opportunities to demonstrate my cleverness |
| 21:29.53 | Ellipsis | it's ok, we know you're special |
| 21:29.57 | Osstia | I enjoy watching you enjoy |
| 21:30.00 | Fin | Pkekyo|: OK, you can be a troll |
| 21:30.02 | kaiden- | Fin, no |
| 21:30.03 | kaiden- | yes |
| 21:30.04 | kaiden- | no |
| 21:30.10 | Fin | there is much meta here |
| 21:30.14 | Fin | who? |
| 21:30.20 | Ellipsis | careful Fin |
| 21:30.26 | Ellipsis | if you speak of the meta you become meta-meta |
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| 21:30.32 | Ellipsis | and that is daaaaaaangerous |
| 21:30.34 | Fin | metaa |
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| 21:32.44 | Kivin | my god, some alliance can be dicks. i just had 3 of them in a row land on top of me at forge camp wrath so i'd get shot at by the fel cannons |
| 21:32.51 | Pkekyo| | Fin: yay, thanksies :) |
| 21:33.37 | kaiden- | Kivin, has nothing to do with alliance.. horde do the same things |
| 21:34.16 | Kivin | kaiden-: Two years as a lv.60 alliance char and I never found cause to be disgruntled at the horde on my server. I'm not on a pvp server, btw |
| 21:34.34 | Kivin | as a lv.70 horde, it's literally a daily thing |
| 21:34.43 | Keias | That always goes by a person-to-person basis |
| 21:34.44 | dre^ | alliance are dicks for running premades all day long in AB / WSG, watching horde roll over and lose nearly every time, and STILL have the nerve to not queue for AV cause they'll lose. |
| 21:35.04 | dre^ | <-- not bitter! |
| 21:35.06 | Keias | Sounds like BG9 to me, dre^ |
| 21:35.09 | Fin | btw, I can't remember who mentioned SuperMacro, but (and this is just by way of some feedback), it turned weird on me today and I've deleted it |
| 21:35.12 | Kivin | dre^: That ammuses me more than anything. Horde lose more AV than they win on my battlegroup |
| 21:35.13 | Keias | We get that same shit :( |
| 21:35.23 | dre^ | that is interesting |
| 21:35.31 | dre^ | you shoudl go talk to stormstrike alliance |
| 21:35.38 | dre^ | tell them to stop being babies, heh |
| 21:35.48 | Kivin | I make fun of them on a regular basis on the battlegroup forums |
| 21:35.55 | dre^ | good :) |
| 21:35.59 | Fin | I started getting errors that it had been blocked and did I want to ignore it or remove SuperMacro, and then some macros started pasting the first line in guild chat (all out of combat) - which sucked because I button-mash |
| 21:36.12 | Kivin | actually, i don't think it's stormstrike. there's another one, maybe, stormpike, is it? |
| 21:36.26 | dre^ | maybe, I don't know them all, hehe |
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| 21:37.00 | Kivin | gah, buying the epic flying mount on my prot paladin was the worst idea, evar |
| 21:37.00 | dre^ | in any event, I've been forced to quake... it's the only way I have a decent chance at getting a team who will try to win |
| 21:37.23 | dre^ | usually I do battlegrounds very late at night when the premades are all tucked in for the night |
| 21:37.41 | Kivin | premades are still somewhat of a pandemic on my battlegroup |
| 21:37.54 | RaydenUni | wow |
| 21:37.54 | Kivin | wsg is the worst for them, but they always come out on bg weekend |
| 21:38.08 | RaydenUni | i added my guild to be updated on wowjutsu only recent has it shown up on the list of guilds to be updated |
| 21:38.20 | RaydenUni | why are wsg premades the worst? |
| 21:38.39 | Kivin | 4 out of 5 wsg i enter are against an alliance premade |
| 21:38.57 | RaydenUni | oh, it's not a list of going to be updated |
| 21:39.00 | RaydenUni | it's a list of recently updated |
| 21:39.01 | RaydenUni | i see |
| 21:39.21 | Kivin | last wsg weekend, i farmed 30 wsg tokens and saw maybe one pug |
| 21:40.26 | Kivin | eos is really bad too. not as many premades, but the horde still loses near on 100% of the time |
| 21:40.52 | SunTsu | Kivin: On my realm it is the other way around |
| 21:40.59 | RaydenUni | we win more than half the time on mine |
| 21:41.00 | RaydenUni | in EOTS |
| 21:41.04 | RaydenUni | we win every AV |
| 21:41.09 | cncfanatics | Kivin: your battlegroup sucks |
| 21:41.20 | Kivin | my first thirty EOS on my Paladin was a streak of 27 losses with 3 wins |
| 21:41.53 | Kivin | cncfanatics: I could say the same about the poor wretches that have to wait an hour for aV |
| 21:42.26 | SunTsu | I remember winning only EOTS runs. The first one was my first EOTS, the second one the first EOTS daily I did. That's it |
| 21:42.36 | Pkekyo| | so, what professions should I pop on my priest toon? got toons with the following highlevel professions allready: tailoring/enchanting, herbalism/engineering, mining/blacksmithing |
| 21:42.46 | SunTsu | two runs, that is |
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| 21:43.18 | Kivin | SunTsu: That's hardly conclusive to be saying things like " On my realm it is the other way around" |
| 21:43.29 | mesh04__ | tailoring for shadoweave |
| 21:43.41 | SunTsu | Kivin: Well, only winning two of all my EOTS? |
| 21:43.56 | Kivin | SunTsu: two rounds is far from adequate test data |
| 21:44.22 | NeoTron | my mast eots we got a 2000 to 0 win with a guild group vs a premade (although I suspect the premade was a pug premade) |
| 21:44.26 | SunTsu | Kivin: I've not run only two times, I won only two times. Lost countless times |
| 21:45.32 | RaydenUni | Pkekyo| casters really benefit from tailoring |
| 21:45.46 | RaydenUni | craftable ~T5 is sexy |
| 21:45.49 | Kivin | Anyone care to mention how much faster their second epic flight grind goes once they had their first? |
| 21:45.56 | Fin | yes |
| 21:46.03 | Fin | approximately 280% faster! ahah! |
| 21:46.07 | Fin | sorry, no |
| 21:46.08 | Pkekyo| | RaydenUni: the thought of leveling tailoring again is killling me :p |
| 21:46.20 | RaydenUni | heh |
| 21:46.29 | Fin | I am currently in the middle of my epic mount fund grind, having just respecced from herbalism + skinning to tailoring + enchanting |
| 21:46.39 | RaydenUni | jewelcrafting for the BOP things? |
| 21:46.40 | Fin | I did the respec in under 48 hours, I was quite proud of that |
| 21:46.46 | Fin | although I only got to 355 enchanting |
| 21:46.47 | SunTsu | Pkekyo|: I would go on tailoring, too. In fact, I just yesterday decided I will with my lock, which will be my second caster, and my second char with tailoring |
| 21:46.59 | Fin | I currently have about 5500 gold saved |
| 21:47.13 | Fin | I hope never to sit on those horrible slow things on this character at all |
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| 21:47.26 | Fin | so, Kivin, I'd say massively loads quicker |
| 21:47.32 | cncfanatics | http://www.pastebin.ca/859038 anyone mind checking this code for errors & things that can be optimized ? |
| 21:47.49 | Kivin | Would doing the netherwing dailies on my epic catbird be the most prudent way? |
| 21:48.05 | Fin | you can't do them if you don't have an epic mount, as far as I know |
| 21:48.19 | Fin | but yes |
| 21:48.24 | SunTsu | Fin: Well, you actually don't need the mount, just the riding skill |
| 21:48.24 | Fin | basically the answer is yes |
| 21:48.27 | Kivin | Perhaps we're not communicating. I _HAVE_ my first epic mount, and am considering saving up for a second |
| 21:48.35 | Fin | SunTsu: that's true, I'm sorry |
| 21:48.43 | Fin | but that would be a bit weird |
| 21:48.58 | SunTsu | Fin: Well, it would, except for a druid ;) |
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| 21:49.28 | SunTsu | I did so, preparing for the epic flight form quest |
| 21:49.41 | Fin | OK, I concede, you are right if you like by virtue of pedanticism. is that the word? |
| 21:49.44 | Fin | pedanticism? |
| 21:49.46 | Fin | pedantry! |
| 21:49.49 | Fin | that's it, sorry |
| 21:49.55 | Kivin | erm? |
| 21:50.37 | [Liquidor] | Hazy moonlight filtered through the grey withered branches of Duskwood's trees. A slugghish breeze made the twigs and boughs rattle quietly. Mist drifted in and amongst the dry, bony foliage. And amongst it all, eight beady, black, soulless eyes hid carefully. An acute observer might have seen Drek' Tol, creeping noiselessly from branch to branch across the forest, but unless they knew what they were looking for, they would have mistaken him for one o |
| 21:50.47 | Fin | is this for the same character, Kivin? |
| 21:50.51 | Kivin | before i work on another epic flight, i need to fix this poor levle 70 hunter of mine... he has neither epic ground mount or a regular flight |
| 21:50.54 | Kivin | Fin: of course not |
| 21:50.55 | Fin | I'm assuming not |
| 21:51.04 | Fin | so, everything I said earlier is still valid? I think? |
| 21:51.18 | Fin | I was just acknowledging SunTsu being technically correct |
| 21:52.20 | chiper | oh man |
| 21:52.27 | SunTsu | Kivin: It should be a lot faster, because you can do farming with your epic flight mount and still have lots of quests to do with your other toon |
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| 21:52.33 | cncfanatics | so, anyone around who can make a simple LibStub library ? |
| 21:52.33 | cncfanatics | I got this OO library I want libstubbed :p |
| 21:52.40 | charon | morning |
| 21:52.44 | charon | Antiarc: ping |
| 21:52.49 | chiper | girlfriend calls me and says that both her and her mom are having awful latency problems. |
| 21:52.50 | Fin | this time round, basically, I hope I don't even have to buy the slow flying mount (because I need it for some quests) before I have enough money to buy the epic flying mount, after having respecced enchanting and tailoring to full (well, almost full for enchanting) |
| 21:52.53 | Kivin | Problem being that gathering trades, especially my gathering trade(herb) has depreciated so much in price that i don't know if it's even worth doing |
| 21:53.06 | chiper | so I start doing some general troubleshooting and then she mentions something |
| 21:53.27 | chiper | "Could downloading stuff on bittorrent because problems?" "Uhm, yeah, yeah that's probably it." |
| 21:53.40 | Kivin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.46 | chiper | "but I'm doing it on the laptop." "Doesn't matter, it still uses the same connection" |
| 21:53.57 | Ellipsis | lol chiper |
| 21:53.58 | Ellipsis | fail |
| 21:54.02 | chiper | "Oh, ok, I guess I'll pause the downloads" |
| 21:54.06 | Ellipsis | needs a new gf imo |
| 21:54.23 | Primer | Anyone here play WoW under wine? I've recently copied my WoW directory from my laptop onto my Linux box, ran it...but things are taking forever to render |
| 21:54.26 | SunTsu | Kivin: It has? So your realm is a lot differnet to mine. On my realm, eu, Nozdormu, you see the prices raise slowly, especially for any herb that can be used for tanking flasks and elixirs |
| 21:54.28 | chiper | fuck no, a gf who plays WoW AND puts out? like hell I'll dump her! |
| 21:54.31 | cncfanatics | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 21:54.32 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowi-lounge (17d 8h 59m 50s) #wowace (17d 8h 59m 50s). Has said a total of 827 messages. Is idling for 1h 47m 14s, last said: 'heh'. |
| 21:54.39 | cncfanatics | Primer: I do |
| 21:54.46 | Josh_Borke | Primer: http://www.wowwiki.com/Wine |
| 21:54.47 | Primer | this used to work just fine in my previous distro, but not I'm on Fedora 8 x86_64 |
| 21:54.52 | cncfanatics | Primer: that has to do with yoyur config.wtf most probably |
| 21:54.52 | Ellipsis | chiper: she doesn't sound like the brightest bulb in the chandelier :P |
| 21:55.10 | RaydenUni | hey i've had the same mistake |
| 21:55.11 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel, ping |
| 21:55.16 | RaydenUni | forgotten i'm torrenting something |
| 21:55.18 | Primer | cncfanatics: yeah, I had one that worked fine, but I accidently overwrote it |
| 21:55.19 | Kivin | SunTsu: Six to eight weeks ago, nightmare vine = 38G/20, Netherbloom = 32G/20. Felweed = 12G/20. Now, felweed is 5g, vine is 18-19g, and bloom is 20g on the dot |
| 21:55.23 | Josh_Borke | Primer: http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine |
| 21:55.23 | chiper | RaydenUni: yeah, as have I |
| 21:55.24 | cncfanatics | Primer: if it helps, I can upload my config.wtf |
| 21:55.26 | cncfanatics | sec |
| 21:55.30 | Primer | Josh_Borke: yeah, found that, thanks |
| 21:55.36 | Primer | cncfanatics: definitely, thanks |
| 21:55.52 | RaydenUni | the worst is when you forge to cap the upload, so you check your torrents and you aren't downloading something but it's still laggy as hell |
| 21:55.59 | RaydenUni | forget* |
| 21:56.12 | chiper | I thought I had set her azureus to cap both down and uprate, but perhaps I didnt |
| 21:56.15 | Primer | took about 10 minutes, but the bank dude finally rendered |
| 21:56.17 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: local major, minor = "LibraryName", 1; local myLibrary = LibStub:NewLibrary(major, minor); if not myLibrary then return end |
| 21:56.24 | Primer | still, tons of people in shat that I can't see |
| 21:56.27 | NeoTron | chiper: just tell her to configure it :P |
| 21:56.30 | cncfanatics | Primer: http://cncfanatic.free.fr/Config.wtf |
| 21:56.36 | Primer | cncfanatics: thanks a lot :) |
| 21:56.59 | charon | Primer: are you, by any chance, not under wine but actually cedega? |
| 21:57.01 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: good fps? |
| 21:57.08 | Primer | charon: it's definitely wine |
| 21:57.16 | cncfanatics | Josh_Borke: I'm at 20fps, usualy at 15 fps on windows (my PC is OLD) |
| 21:57.17 | SunTsu | Kivin: That's too bad, but that will rise again, soon. Normal market behaviour. It sank, because lots of people tried to gain a lot, so AH was overloaded. So many people, like you, think they can't make gold of selling herbs, so soon the prices will be on a rise again |
| 21:57.21 | cncfanatics | and i'm at 1600x1200 resolution |
| 21:57.21 | charon | ah, then never mind. cedega has a toggle that caused the problem you describe |
| 21:57.24 | cncfanatics | kergoth: you around? |
| 21:57.43 | Kivin | SunTsu: I'm quite aware of market behaviour, but they're still steadily going down down down |
| 21:58.14 | SunTsu | Kivin: Then give it time and try selling other things, like food or primal stuff |
| 21:58.16 | cncfanatics | Kivin: They'll start going up up up when people refuse to sell em that low |
| 21:58.18 | chiper | there's been a lot of farming going on lately. makes it so other farmers cant find shit |
| 21:58.30 | SunTsu | cncfanatics: My point being |
| 21:58.34 | Nocts | Rock > Ace3 |
| 21:58.35 | chiper | I'm trying to level my engineering but I cant find any damn ore |
| 21:58.49 | Kivin | cncfanatics: People never do, that's the problem. I've had dumb shits undercut my 37G vine to 25g right on the spot, without even trying 36 or 35G |
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| 21:59.05 | Sais | chiper: Cart_Mining? ;) |
| 21:59.08 | Kivin | I might have to bite the bullet and respec retribution so i can try my hand at primal farming |
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| 21:59.15 | chiper | sais: I am, and _routes |
| 21:59.23 | chiper | the nodes just arent spawned |
| 21:59.23 | Josh_Borke | Nocts: i believe the correct statement is Rocks ~= Ace3 |
| 21:59.32 | NeoTron | anyone run ZA with just 2 healers? |
| 21:59.45 | Nocts | Josh_Borke: Was testing the politics, seeing if it brought up debate. |
| 21:59.52 | Nocts | Apparently not, meaning things are settling. Which is good. |
| 21:59.59 | chiper | nocts: aka, trolling |
| 22:00.02 | Sais | I wasn't able to use routes - I changed to using the Ace package... I might have to revert, just to play. |
| 22:00.05 | cncfanatics | and now I need kergoth ! come on |
| 22:00.07 | cncfanatics | ~seen kergoth |
| 22:00.08 | purl | kergoth is currently on #wowi-lounge #oe #norganna #wowace #elinux. Has said a total of 387 messages. Is idling for 1h 13m 33s, last said: 'is there a wow addon updater that 1) isn't bound to just one site, and 2) can -remove- modules from packages like cartographer/bigwigs/whatever, instead of re-adding them after i remove them..'. |
| 22:00.55 | Nocts | chiper: No, but nice try. |
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| 22:01.07 | Kivin | Trolling with a purpose |
| 22:01.25 | Nocts | Kivin: Spot on |
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| 22:04.55 | Ozguli | 00:03:41- (Ozguli) Zara, amuse me |
| 22:04.55 | Ozguli | -00:03:43- (+Zara) Ozguli: Common/whatever too? Clips and stuff? |
| 22:05.02 | kagaro | wth cant see my text |
| 22:05.14 | Ozguli | zara's a bot |
| 22:06.08 | charon | speaking of linux users, has anyone tried to run Rawr (druid.wikispaces.com/Rawr -- only interesting for bear tanks) |
| 22:06.35 | charon | word is, Mono should run it, but i can't seem to get it working |
| 22:06.42 | cncfanatics | .net sucks |
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| 22:07.33 | Nocts | Ask in their IRC channel? |
| 22:07.35 | Mudkipz | that's because bear tanks are gimp |
| 22:07.47 | Nocts | irc.quakenet.org #eu-druids |
| 22:07.47 | Mudkipz | just reroll and play a warr like a real tank |
| 22:08.00 | Mudkipz | and #eu-druids are full of asstunnelers |
| 22:08.14 | charon | someone with more karma in here than me please duct-tape the troll |
| 22:08.45 | charon | Nocts: i'll try, but this channel has far more linux users than the druid one |
| 22:09.10 | Mudkipz | druids are for heals |
| 22:09.23 | Nocts | and for deleting |
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| 22:10.09 | Pernicius_ | is it possible to prevent CIA-posts if i commit changes to SVN? |
| 22:10.24 | chiper | why, what do you want to hide? |
| 22:10.35 | Kivin | sounds ominous |
| 22:10.37 | Nocts | lol |
| 22:10.43 | Pernicius_ | hehe |
| 22:10.44 | Mudkipz | one does not easily hide changes to SVN |
| 22:10.52 | cncfanatics | Pernicius_: the point of this is that you can't |
| 22:11.16 | Kivin | svn wouldnt' do it's job if that was possible |
| 22:11.40 | Pernicius_ | i dont want to hide the changes in svn ... i only want to preven the spam in #wowace |
| 22:11.57 | Mudkipz | is that what they call it these days? "spam? |
| 22:12.05 | Nocts | People want to read changes though, hence the postign in wowace |
| 22:12.06 | Pernicius_ | sometimes |
| 22:12.18 | Mudkipz | are you a terrorist? |
| 22:12.22 | Nocts | lol |
| 22:12.40 | Kivin | I feel bad when I can't do a svn change as an atomic operation and have to spam chat |
| 22:12.50 | chiper | so, I'm guessing your commit text is really large? |
| 22:13.13 | chiper | go ahead and do it, lets see if you can flood CIA off the network :D |
| 22:13.14 | Pernicius_ | i'm working in a branched addon folder so this postings are not really neccesary (i hate my bad english) |
| 22:13.29 | Osstia | i like your bad enlgish |
| 22:13.43 | Pernicius_ | :) |
| 22:13.48 | Kivin | i do my branch work on a googlecode svn |
| 22:13.59 | Osstia | your bad english > my good spanish |
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| 22:14.39 | Kivin | except, the googlecode has problems of it's own |
| 22:14.55 | Osstia | Why's that Kivin? |
| 22:15.02 | Pernicius_ | hmm ... i take a look at googlecode |
| 22:15.21 | Kivin | Most namely, I can't figure out how to merge my googlecode working copy into my wowace copy in an elegant manner |
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| 22:16.29 | CIA-8 | 03pernicius 07pernicius * r58678 10AtlasOfAzeroth/AtlasOfAzeroth/ (Core.lua l10n/l10n-deDE.lua l10n/l10n-enUS.lua): |
| 22:16.29 | CIA-8 | AtlasOfAzeroth: |
| 22:16.29 | CIA-8 | - added some tooltips to the window elements |
| 22:17.35 | Kivin | going out herbing without my goggles on... retarded. sigh. |
| 22:17.53 | Xinhuan | you need a checkouted version of your gcode |
| 22:17.58 | Xinhuan | and a checkouted version of your wowace |
| 22:18.01 | Kivin | Xinhuan: done and done |
| 22:18.02 | Xinhuan | then just copy the file over |
| 22:18.10 | Xinhuan | then commit |
| 22:18.23 | Kivin | Xinhuan: Okay, can I do it in explorer or do I have to do it with an svn command |
| 22:18.36 | Xinhuan | just copy the file over using explorer standard copy |
| 22:18.39 | Kivin | kk |
| 22:18.46 | cncfanatics | ~seen kergoth |
| 22:18.48 | purl | kergoth is currently on #wowi-lounge #oe #norganna #wowace #elinux. Has said a total of 387 messages. Is idling for 1h 32m 13s, last said: 'is there a wow addon updater that 1) isn't bound to just one site, and 2) can -remove- modules from packages like cartographer/bigwigs/whatever, instead of re-adding them after i remove them..'. |
| 22:18.49 | cncfanatics | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 22:18.50 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowi-lounge (17d 9h 24m 8s) #wowace (17d 9h 24m 8s). Has said a total of 827 messages. Is idling for 2h 11m 32s, last said: 'heh'. |
| 22:19.07 | Kivin | the reason I said "in a graceful manner" is i tried pulling that off without any sleep in > 20 hours and forgot to svn add some new source files |
| 22:19.15 | Kivin | on the wowace repo |
| 22:19.29 | charon | Kivin: what's wrong with svn merge and commit? |
| 22:19.30 | Kivin | which led me to question whether there was a way to commit to a different repo |
| 22:19.36 | Kivin | charon: two different repos |
| 22:19.39 | Xinhuan | just delete all the files in your wowace working copy, and copy all the ones from gcode working copy over to it |
| 22:19.42 | Xinhuan | and it'll work |
| 22:19.57 | Kivin | the .svn folders wont point it back to googlecode? |
| 22:20.04 | Xinhuan | you don't copy the .svn folder |
| 22:20.06 | Xinhuan | only the actual files |
| 22:20.19 | Kivin | =/ that's a lot more work than it sounds, then |
| 22:20.25 | Xinhuan | how's that more work than it sounds? |
| 22:20.36 | Xinhuan | if you have a core.lua in gcode working copy |
| 22:20.38 | Kivin | requires going into each sub folder and disecting the files from the svn stuff |
| 22:20.41 | Xinhuan | and a core.lua in wowace working copy |
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| 22:20.49 | Xinhuan | then you just overwrite directly |
| 22:21.07 | Pernicius_ | i have created a bat file to create a '.svn'-less copy of my addon folder |
| 22:21.11 | Xinhuan | hide hidden folders before you do the copy then |
| 22:21.15 | Kivin | Pernicius_: that's a good idea |
| 22:21.23 | Kivin | Xinhuan: another one worth trying |
| 22:21.26 | Arrowmaster | thats what svn export is for |
| 22:21.26 | Kivin | thanks and thanks |
| 22:21.34 | Xinhuan | or what arrowmaster said |
| 22:21.38 | Xinhuan | do a export |
| 22:21.44 | Kivin | Arrowmaster: never used it, is that like a checkout but without the .svn data? |
| 22:21.46 | Xinhuan | so the exported version has no .svm folders |
| 22:21.50 | Xinhuan | svn* |
| 22:21.58 | Xinhuan | then paste the exported version on top of the wowace copy |
| 22:22.07 | Kivin | okay, i think that one fits what i'm trying to do the closest |
| 22:22.19 | Kivin | ah, i can't export into my other repo folder |
| 22:22.24 | Xinhuan | make a new one |
| 22:22.28 | charon | Kivin: i just checked, you can merge any change from anywhere as long as you merge _into_ a local wc |
| 22:22.45 | Xinhuan | charon, he has TWO svns |
| 22:22.57 | charon | that's what i'm saying |
| 22:22.57 | Xinhuan | he wants to make both identical |
| 22:23.03 | Kivin | charon: How do I do it |
| 22:23.04 | Xinhuan | so the fastest way is just file copy |
| 22:23.10 | cncfanatics | svn cp sv1 svn2 |
| 22:23.16 | cncfanatics | thats the fastest way |
| 22:23.20 | charon | if you want to _copy_ that's another issue |
| 22:23.33 | Xinhuan | rather than merge target on svn1 into target on svn2 |
| 22:23.33 | exor674 | Pernicius_: just do a svn export -- no need to create a .svn-less copy |
| 22:23.42 | Kivin | charon: definitely merge |
| 22:23.57 | charon | but if say svn1 contains your changes from r1 to r2, and svn2 is at some other state that is "the same" as r1 |
| 22:24.09 | charon | you can definitely do: svn merge svn1@r1 svn2@r2 wc_of_svn2 |
| 22:24.12 | charon | then commit that |
| 22:24.22 | charon | and it will even work "right" if someone changed svn2 in the meantime |
| 22:24.30 | Kivin | do I have to include the revision numbers or can i just let it use HEAD |
| 22:24.33 | Xinhuan | the safest way is to copy the files and paste it over in case they aren't at the "same version" if you want to ensure they are identical |
| 22:24.43 | Pernicius_ | exor674: a double click on a bat file is faster than a checkout ... my bat file copies all the modules of my addon to the root dir also |
| 22:24.52 | Xinhuan | just use Head |
| 22:25.03 | Kivin | going to try that |
| 22:25.16 | Xinhuan | the exported version is identical to the working copy, without the .svn folders |
| 22:25.17 | Pkekyo| | what's the name of the priest resurrection spell? |
| 22:25.25 | Zariel | Resurect |
| 22:25.28 | Xinhuan | Ressurect |
| 22:25.37 | charon | Kivin: you'll need at least the old revision because it can't guess that. other than that they default to HEAD |
| 22:25.43 | Pkekyo| | only resurrect? |
| 22:25.58 | Kivin | charon: What's the old revision |
| 22:26.00 | exor674 | does your .bat file recurse into subfolders too? |
| 22:26.32 | charon | Kivin: oh i see |
| 22:26.53 | exor674 | Pkekyo|: how many resurrection spells does a priest need? |
| 22:26.58 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan 07Talents * r58679 10WoWEquip/WoWEquipData.lua: WoWEquip: - Update all talents with their tab/num locations. |
| 22:26.59 | charon | well in that case you'll want to svn merge svn2 svn1 wc_of_svn2... hadn't thought of that option |
| 22:27.42 | Xinhuan | is svn smart enough to retrieve the HEAD of svn2 to merge into svn1? |
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| 22:27.52 | charon | docs say so |
| 22:28.03 | Kivin | I'm getting an error: svn: Client error in parsing arguments |
| 22:28.12 | Kivin | i've never used command line before so this is all new to me |
| 22:28.19 | Pernicius_ | if you want to see the bat file ... http://ace.pastey.net/80830 ... its an old batch for ma addon "AtlasOfAzeroth" |
| 22:28.23 | Xinhuan | just export > then copy/paste, sheesh |
| 22:29.40 | charon | it's starting to look rather grim for my "Right > Almost correct and usually working" world view isn't it |
| 22:29.41 | Josh_Borke | don't listen to Xinhuan! it's a trick! |
| 22:30.03 | Kivin | charon: Just can't get that command line to work |
| 22:30.08 | kadrahil | Josh_Borkeisanoob |
| 22:30.12 | Pkekyo| | exor674: s/only resurrect/is that it's full name/ |
| 22:30.21 | charon | Kivin: well paste what you typed, i can't read your mind nor screen |
| 22:30.25 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: i'm rerolling a priesty on korgath alliance |
| 22:30.37 | Kivin | charon: trying to find a medium other than pastey since it runs me through an anti spam loop |
| 22:30.37 | Pkekyo| | - which it was not, I might add |
| 22:30.42 | Josh_Borke | kadrahil: why's? |
| 22:30.46 | charon | Kivin: rafb.net/paste |
| 22:30.49 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: cause i hate stormreaver nowadays |
| 22:31.05 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: i'm having a hard time coming up with a character name :( |
| 22:31.11 | Kivin | http://rafb.net/p/eqiQ1u49.html |
| 22:31.38 | charon | Kivin: you need 'svn merge' not 'svn export' |
| 22:31.42 | Kivin | err right |
| 22:31.49 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: halp |
| 22:32.00 | charon | though frankly i'm not sure how the windows so-called shell handles quoting |
| 22:32.11 | Kivin | charon: http://rafb.net/p/1f9wlC42.html |
| 22:32.21 | Josh_Borke | kadrahil: kadrahil |
| 22:32.29 | Josh_Borke | !c us korgath dagh |
| 22:32.30 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: dagh is not the character you are looking for! |
| 22:32.35 | Josh_Borke | kadrahil: you could be me :-D |
| 22:32.39 | kadrahil | Josh_Borke: lol |
| 22:32.51 | kadrahil | I don't want to be unoriginal though ;( |
| 22:32.59 | Josh_Borke | !c us korgath hamarian |
| 22:33.02 | ThraeBot | Josh_Borke: hamarian is not the character you are looking for! |
| 22:33.07 | Josh_Borke | you could be hamarian! |
| 22:33.19 | kadrahil | for a chick? |
| 22:33.30 | chiper | how does thrae handle two-word server names? |
| 22:33.44 | kadrahil | you just use the space like normal |
| 22:33.49 | Kivin | !c us Cenarion Circle Basolisu |
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| 22:33.55 | chiper | !c us khaz modan wridel |
| 22:34.06 | ThraeBot | Kivin: Basolisu, Level 70 Tauren Shaman (0/7/54). 7464 HP; 10104 Mana; 222 mana regen; 109 mp5; 8006 Armour; 4.03% melee crit; 38 spell crit; 574 +spell dmg; 1245 +heal; 4.03% dodge; 5.00% block; 10 nature resist (+10);[[ TBR: 1393 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/22k3hn ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2utqmm ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 17:41:24 2008 EST ]] |
| 22:34.07 | kadrahil | you killed it :( |
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| 22:34.10 | ThraeBot | chiper: Wridel, Level 70 Gnome Mage (41/17/3). 7013 HP; 11396 Mana; 166 mana regen; 54 mp5; 177 spell crit; 54 spell hit; 740 +spell dmg; 5.14% dodge; 10 arcane resist (+10); +4 all resists (+10 arcane);[[ TBR: 793 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/2c4k94 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2moorg ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 17:41:28 2008 EST ]] |
| 22:34.13 | Polarina | WTF?!? I can do "Report Spam" on a game-master! |
| 22:34.27 | kadrahil | Polarina: lol |
| 22:34.32 | Kivin | charon: So am I screwed? |
| 22:34.49 | Josh_Borke | i missed something |
| 22:34.56 | Josh_Borke | oh well, afk |
| 22:35.02 | charon | Kivin: not sure. the docs don't say different url1&url2 are forbidden, but a google hit does |
| 22:35.18 | Nocts | lol |
| 22:35.20 | charon | (Xinhuan: your line here) |
| 22:35.37 | Xinhuan | just export > then copy/paste, sheesh |
| 22:35.39 | charon | Kivin: the @rev thing definitely works but you'll need to know at which revision your changes started, unfortunately |
| 22:35.52 | kadrahil | ;S |
| 22:35.54 | Kivin | charon: that's an assload of legwork :( |
| 22:36.00 | kadrahil | Amana is cool, generated, but probably not available |
| 22:36.09 | kadrahil | but it has the word mana in it |
| 22:36.13 | chiper | isnt that a brand name? |
| 22:36.21 | kadrahil | i don't know |
| 22:36.25 | Kivin | I'm quite quickly aquiring a distaste for SVN. I can't believe there's no way to merge to repo WCs |
| 22:36.26 | kadrahil | it's really close to Amani too |
| 22:36.28 | chiper | pretty sure amana makes refrigerators |
| 22:36.33 | kadrahil | haha |
| 22:36.40 | Codayus | Amana? Yeah, think they make fridges. |
| 22:36.49 | kadrahil | alert the authoritah! |
| 22:37.10 | Kivin | batch file it is, i think |
| 22:37.13 | bigzero | Kivin, can't you just commit the stuff from the other svn into ace? |
| 22:37.14 | Nocts | Polarina isn't a girl. |
| 22:37.19 | Nocts | There are no girls on my internets. |
| 22:37.21 | Kivin | bigzero: no |
| 22:37.39 | bigzero | why not? |
| 22:37.41 | Kivin | bigzero: that'd require me to 1: delete the .svn folders. 2: delete the repo copy 3: do a clean import |
| 22:38.01 | bigzero | maybe i don;t understand the setup you have |
| 22:38.17 | Kivin | two separate repos |
| 22:38.27 | Kivin | and their respective working copies on my computer |
| 22:38.28 | Polarina | Nocts: Of course there aren't, because of: |
| 22:38.29 | Polarina | ~irc |
| 22:38.30 | purl | "Welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents." |
| 22:38.44 | Nocts | ^ |
| 22:40.19 | exor674 | then what are FBI agents? |
| 22:40.32 | chiper | porn stars |
| 22:40.36 | charon | speaking of broken tools, what's up with wws? |
| 22:40.44 | cncfanatics | chiper: then what are the porn stars ? |
| 22:40.58 | chiper | I've never run into a porn star on IRC |
| 22:41.19 | nevcairiel | thats because they dont tell! |
| 22:41.25 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel ! I needed you ! |
| 22:41.44 | nevcairiel | and i successfully ignored you |
| 22:41.44 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: you were one of the authors of AceOO right ? |
| 22:41.50 | nevcairiel | no |
| 22:42.13 | nevcairiel | I had nothing todo with the initial creation of Ace2 |
| 22:42.23 | nevcairiel | i jumped on afterwards |
| 22:42.49 | bigzero | Kivin, i think you're stuck with the 3 step approach |
| 22:42.58 | Kivin | bigzero: i see that |
| 22:43.16 | bigzero | though imo that's not too much work |
| 22:43.21 | bigzero | how much stuff do you have? |
| 22:43.30 | Kivin | bigzero: it's not the time involved, it's the relative amount of chances to make mistakes |
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| 22:44.01 | cncfanatics | nevcairiel: weird, I thought you were involved into aceoo for some reason |
| 22:44.02 | Kivin | bigzero: i was hoping for a foolproof tsvn > merge to working copy > profit |
| 22:44.41 | Xinhuan | Shadowed, are you around? |
| 22:44.47 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: ? |
| 22:44.54 | Xinhuan | is there a throttle on NotifyInspect() ? |
| 22:45.44 | Xinhuan | what happens if i NotifyInspect("raid1") and then NotifyInspect("raid2") before INSPECT_TALENT_READY fires? |
| 22:45.52 | Xinhuan | do you have any idea? |
| 22:46.01 | TheKarn | random question, anyone know of a cheap decent quality news host? (UK preferable) |
| 22:46.46 | charon | Kivin: i believe that's actually because what you're trying to do might overwrite changes done in the target repository, SVN is designed to help avoid _that_ kind of mistake |
| 22:47.09 | Pkekyo| | at what level is it time to leave the starting area? (ie deatknell/red cloud mesa) |
| 22:47.22 | TheKarn | 6 |
| 22:47.24 | TheKarn | or 7 |
| 22:47.29 | Kivin | charon: I appreciate the delicacy of the issue. I just figured a system with such precise version tracking could have that sort of feature. Oh wells. |
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| 22:47.54 | CIA-8 | KivinSpamGuard: Dev R8 to Live R58525. |
| 22:47.54 | CIA-8 | - Localized additional API calls. |
| 22:47.54 | CIA-8 | - Removed defunct code. |
| 22:47.54 | CIA-8 | - Player-originated messages will no longer get processed for spam. |
| 22:48.12 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: Sort of |
| 22:48.20 | Pkekyo| | I ran out of quests at lvl 5 :< |
| 22:48.25 | Xinhuan | what happens in my scenerio? |
| 22:48.30 | Xinhuan | whose talents does it return? |
| 22:48.35 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: As far as I know, NotifyInspect is not throttled. Nothing stops you from inspecting a raid in like 5s and checking there gear |
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| 22:49.07 | Shadowed | I'm not sure since I haven't tested it |
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| 22:49.26 | Shadowed | Your best bet is to simply never call NotifyInspect until INSPECT_TALENT_READY fires, which is what I do for auto inspecting in Remembrance and never had any issues. |
| 22:49.43 | Xinhuan | my issue is what if 2 addons tries to do this you see |
| 22:49.57 | Xinhuan | addon 1 calls notifyinspect, so does addon 2 |
| 22:50.31 | Xinhuan | and neither addon would know of each other's call |
| 22:50.44 | Shadowed | Well, an easy way to test this is to inspect one person and quickly inspect another before ITR fires, if I remember right it correctly shows the talent for the other person you inspect which would lead me to believe it overwrites it. |
| 22:51.06 | Xinhuan | but that doesn't sound right because if due to internet latency |
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| 22:51.20 | Xinhuan | if i sent the 2nd request just before the 1st requet replies enroute |
| 22:51.24 | chiper | doesnt the return event have the name attached? |
| 22:51.27 | Shadowed | Just do this |
| 22:51.30 | Shadowed | No it doesn't |
| 22:51.35 | chiper | eww |
| 22:51.51 | chiper | bad blizzard |
| 22:52.01 | Shadowed | Hardly |
| 22:52.11 | Shadowed | It doesn't need to give the name, we're using it in an unintended way mostly |
| 22:52.21 | chiper | return requests should always give context |
| 22:52.25 | Shadowed | No, it shouldn't |
| 22:52.42 | chiper | I learned that when trying to write a pop3 client. |
| 22:52.58 | Xinhuan | you see, i slightly modified Remembrance to work in any zone, not just in arenas, and save the data, so i can recall anyone's spec at any time :D |
| 22:53.09 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: Register INSPECT_TALENT_READY, get 2 people into a party with you and when ITR fires output the full tree/talent names. Call NotifyInspect on both party1/party2 at the same time. |
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| 22:53.35 | Shadowed | Or, call NotifyInspect on party1, delay 0.25-0.50 seconds and call it on party2 |
| 22:53.35 | Shadowed | that will answer your question |
| 22:53.39 | Xinhuan | so i could have a lot of notifyinspects going on at the same time just mouseovering raidframes |
| 22:53.39 | chiper | pain in the ass working with data when you dont know what the data was requested by. also means you can't make concurrent requests |
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| 22:54.19 | Xinhuan | i guess i'll have to test that out |
| 22:54.34 | chiper | hotline had the same problem, returning file folder results without any header to indicate which folder it was for. so if you requested two folders at one, the results would get fucked |
| 22:54.46 | Shadowed | again chiper |
| 22:54.56 | Shadowed | you're confusing something blizzard adds specifically for us, and specifically for them |
| 22:55.13 | Shadowed | INSPECT_TALENT_READY is just so they know that the talent data can be used, and they already specifically know that you inspect one person not mass inspect 50 people |
| 22:55.16 | chiper | shadowed: usage doesnt mean a damn thing, it's bad coding |
| 22:55.19 | Shadowed | .... |
| 22:55.19 | Shadowed | okay |
| 22:55.26 | Shadowed | i'm not going to bother arguing with you, since you're just going to ignore what I say |
| 22:55.43 | Kivin | I'm left to agree with chiper: contextual information should be passed as an arg |
| 22:55.50 | Shadowed | They |
| 22:55.51 | Shadowed | Dont |
| 22:55.52 | Kivin | regardless of whether it gets ignored |
| 22:55.52 | Shadowed | Need |
| 22:55.52 | Shadowed | It |
| 22:55.53 | Shadowed | Its |
| 22:55.54 | Shadowed | Not |
| 22:55.54 | Shadowed | For |
| 22:55.55 | Shadowed | Us |
| 22:56.03 | Kivin | spam some more |
| 22:56.04 | Josh_Borke | Shadowed: please don't do that |
| 22:56.09 | Josh_Borke | i agree with shadowed |
| 22:56.16 | Josh_Borke | what they provide for us is just gravy for us |
| 22:56.29 | Kivin | It doesn't matter whether it's used by players or not, it's lousy coding |
| 22:56.29 | Josh_Borke | whether or not it is useful doesn't matter |
| 22:56.45 | chiper | you're the one who's ignoring comments. disregarding something just because it isnt nessisary is bullshit |
| 22:56.46 | Shadowed | Again, you're making it sound like Blizzard does this for us |
| 22:56.48 | Josh_Borke | Kivin: would you rather have the lousy coding with some information or no lousy coding with no information? |
| 22:56.57 | chiper | you could apply the same rules to goto subrutines in qbasic |
| 22:57.09 | cncfanatics | bedtime |
| 22:57.10 | cncfanatics | nn peeps |
| 22:57.14 | Josh_Borke | nn cnc |
| 22:57.26 | Shadowed | Blizzard doesn't generally add things specifically for authors, any sort of access we have is because they saw a reason for it in the default UI. The exception is mostly things like SendAddonMessage |
| 22:57.39 | bigzero | blizzard prvides us with the way to make addons, so they should make their functions actually useful to us |
| 22:57.48 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 22:57.52 | Shadowed | They do not specifically say "How can we implement this to make everyones life easier" it's more like "What do we need to do to make our UI feature work" |
| 22:57.55 | cncfanatics | Shadowed, and everything that has to do with CreateFrame ? (well, when they implemented it, they do use it by now) |
| 22:57.57 | Josh_Borke | bigzero: i find that funny :-D |
| 22:58.10 | Shadowed | "generally" does not mean "always" |
| 22:58.11 | Xinhuan | cncfanatics, they implemented it only to make their own code better ;d |
| 22:58.19 | chiper | shadowed: you make it sound like the entire addon API is just there for their own enjoyment and that what we do is nothing but a hack |
| 22:58.27 | cncfanatics | chiper: that is exactly it |
| 22:58.29 | Shadowed | Uh yes, it pretty much is actually. |
| 22:58.29 | Xinhuan | instead of precreating 200 buttons in xml, they can createframe on demand now |
| 22:58.35 | Josh_Borke | why wouldn't it be that way? |
| 22:58.50 | Xinhuan | chiper, you are correct :) |
| 22:59.11 | chiper | the WoW addon api is one of the most important features in the game, it's the main reason I play it |
| 22:59.15 | Shadowed | And? |
| 22:59.20 | Josh_Borke | chiper: that is a subjective statement |
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| 22:59.31 | chiper | perhaps I should have underlined FEATURE |
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| 22:59.36 | Josh_Borke | chiper: does that statement apply to the 9 million other players? |
| 22:59.43 | chiper | sigh |
| 22:59.55 | Josh_Borke | it's all about perspective |
| 23:00.02 | Xinhuan | the wow addon api isn't designed for us, blizzard code specifically only used NotifyInspect() in one location, so they don't need the name fired with INSPECT_TALENT_READY |
| 23:00.03 | chiper | clearly |
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| 23:00.11 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: Remembrance automatically throttles the requests, unless you specifically removed that throttle it won't happen. |
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| 23:00.23 | Xinhuan | i didn't remove the throttle |
| 23:00.34 | chiper | if it wasnt meant for us to use, they wouldnt support it |
| 23:00.37 | Shadowed | The only mods that do actual inspect stuff are CowTip, Proximo and Scrub besides Remembrance, so you shouldn't run into it |
| 23:00.37 | Xinhuan | but i do consider how 2 addons that try to notifyinspect() |
| 23:00.41 | Xinhuan | would interact with each other |
| 23:00.44 | Josh_Borke | chiper: they support it? |
| 23:00.47 | Shadowed | They'd mess up generally |
| 23:01.00 | Shadowed | If I remember right, someone mentioned how Slouken basically doesn't have to give us most of the things he does |
| 23:01.04 | Kivin | LootLink frequently inspects people |
| 23:01.07 | Shadowed | Infact, we're lucky he gives us anything |
| 23:01.13 | Shadowed | Kivin: Eh? Why is LootLink inspecting people |
| 23:01.17 | Xinhuan | lootlink is different |
| 23:01.25 | Kivin | Shadowed because it can |
| 23:01.30 | Xinhuan | people's gear is already available to us directly without requiring an event |
| 23:01.43 | Xinhuan | so when you mouseover or select a target, lootlink scans all their gear directly and adds to to database |
| 23:01.53 | Kivin | I see |
| 23:01.55 | Josh_Borke | chiper: they added SendAddonMessage after being requested for months. they added more information to the casting system after years of requests for it. they have no need to give us any coding information. the WoW modding community is smaller than the elite raiding community |
| 23:02.24 | Xinhuan | the wow modding community probably numbers less than a few thousand heh |
| 23:02.28 | Josh_Borke | and they only throw elite raiding community bones because it trickles d own to the casual community |
| 23:03.00 | chiper | mod writers certainly, but how many raiders do you know that use only the base UI? |
| 23:03.11 | Shadowed | Xinhuan: Somepoint, someone may need to do some sort of simplish 50 line type of library for handling inspection but I doubt it matters right now. |
| 23:03.20 | Xinhuan | possibly |
| 23:03.37 | Josh_Borke | chiper: why couldn't they now? the default blizzard UI does a LOT of what the original CT_RA did |
| 23:03.41 | Xinhuan | all i need is just a simply function for myself to copy someone's talent spec :) |
| 23:03.45 | Shadowed | But, it wouldn't really matter anyway, you just need to have addons that don't horribly abuse NotifyInspect and call it 24/7 |
| 23:03.52 | Xinhuan | i merely wondered how multiple calls will interact with each other |
| 23:03.58 | Shadowed | not very well |
| 23:04.04 | Xinhuan | and asked if you knew |
| 23:04.19 | chiper | josh: ct_ra is a drop in the bucket |
| 23:04.21 | Shadowed | CowTip and Remembrance/Proximo would conflict in arenas, and it'd conflict with Scrub most likely as well |
| 23:04.39 | Xinhuan | the default UI registers and unregisters I_T_R when the frame is shown/hidden |
| 23:04.39 | Josh_Borke | chiper: and it wasn't THE raid addon when raiding started? and guilds were downing Rag? |
| 23:05.02 | Neebler | no there was one before it. I forget its name |
| 23:05.20 | Shadowed | The only reason they register ITR is because they disable the Talents tab if I remember right |
| 23:05.43 | Shadowed | Dunno, Remembrance does it by default so I have no idea if they added it into the game |
| 23:05.43 | Josh_Borke | chiper: fine, ct_ra is a drop in the bucket. |
| 23:05.56 | Xinhuan | Ct_RA |
| 23:06.02 | Josh_Borke | chiper: another point is blizzard designs fights so that you shouldn't need mods |
| 23:06.24 | Xinhuan | mods improve raid performance, that's why people use it -- but they aren't needed |
| 23:06.29 | Shadowed | There was an interview a while back where they said it wasn't true really |
| 23:06.43 | Xinhuan | "needed" |
| 23:06.43 | Shadowed | Things like pre-2.0, you had to design fights based around the expectation that they'd use Decursive |
| 23:06.55 | Josh_Borke | shadowed: that's true. it was said at blizzcan |
| 23:06.57 | Josh_Borke | erm, blizzcon |
| 23:07.13 | Xinhuan | well naxx was targetted at the top 1% of the world |
| 23:07.18 | Xinhuan | and the top 1% uses addons |
| 23:07.22 | Shadowed | Naxx didn't really need Decursive actually |
| 23:07.26 | Shadowed | it was trivial with it |
| 23:07.30 | Xinhuan | hence the design is ok in that sense |
| 23:07.36 | Josh_Borke | that's the fight they were talking about though |
| 23:07.40 | Xinhuan | since it was a designed at a targetted audience |
| 23:07.44 | Xinhuan | that they KNOW uses mods |
| 23:07.52 | chiper | I seem to recall a boss in MC that decursive was pretty important for |
| 23:08.05 | Xinhuan | that boss is lucifron, and maybe geddon |
| 23:08.06 | Neebler | Lucifron |
| 23:08.12 | chiper | yeah, luci, thats it |
| 23:08.22 | Arrowmaster | but those fights were created before decursive existed |
| 23:08.23 | Xinhuan | geddon, you had to dispel the mana-drain debuff |
| 23:08.32 | Josh_Borke | what arrowmaster said |
| 23:08.50 | Xinhuan | they designed lucifron with the expectation that each group has a decurser - you only needed to bring mages+druids >= 8 |
| 23:08.57 | Xinhuan | and each group can handle themselves |
| 23:09.22 | Xinhuan | since "raid frames" didn't exist then |
| 23:09.25 | Arrowmaster | didnt mc exist before you could even see health bars for raid members other than those in your party |
| 23:09.29 | Shadowed | well |
| 23:09.38 | Shadowed | Decursive types of mods were mostly created due to MC |
| 23:09.46 | haste | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 23:09.58 | Xinhuan | only because people were retarded enough not to decurse their own group properly ;d |
| 23:10.01 | Shadowed | Given there was nothing else in the game that required you to speedly remove debuffs |
| 23:10.27 | Neebler | Woah, someone just linked a Xavian Stilleto throwing weapon with a Savagery enchant on it. I had no idea you could enchant throwing weapons |
| 23:10.36 | Shadowed | you can't |
| 23:10.36 | Arrowmaster | you cant |
| 23:10.39 | Kivin | Neebler: You can't, it's a spoofed link |
| 23:10.43 | Shadowed | you can manipulate itelinks to make it look like it |
| 23:10.44 | Neebler | oh ;| |
| 23:10.44 | Xinhuan | Neebler, enchants/gems aren't checked when linking a link |
| 23:10.47 | Shadowed | s/itelink/itemlink/ |
| 23:11.09 | Shadowed | Only thing they verify is name at this point if I recall |
| 23:11.14 | Kivin | I frequently put executioner on my stoppable force for gags |
| 23:11.20 | Xinhuan | they only verify the name and suffix |
| 23:11.25 | Kivin | Shadowed: wrong colour will cause the link to break |
| 23:11.30 | Xinhuan | and that it matches |
| 23:11.36 | Shadowed | and that |
| 23:11.54 | Kivin | Had a bug in lootzor where it remembered previous item colours, would link epics with blue colour, and they'd always break |
| 23:11.56 | Arrowmaster | and the enchant and gem parts of the itemlinks are interchangable |
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| 23:26.29 | CIA-8 | AtlasOfAzeroth_WorldMap: |
| 23:26.29 | CIA-8 | - working ping animation *YEHAA* |
| 23:26.45 | chiper | hah |
| 23:26.53 | CIA-8 | 03kneeki * r58683 10EasyPet/ (5 files): |
| 23:26.53 | CIA-8 | EasyPet: |
| 23:26.53 | CIA-8 | - Cleaned up localizations, *hopefully* fixed the tainting issue, buttons now disappear when you do not have a pet bar |
| 23:27.17 | [Liquidor] | Have I played too much? :(( --- http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4577/wowscrnshot011808002131dt6.jpg |
| 23:27.59 | Josh_Borke | can i have your gold? ^_^ |
| 23:28.07 | Xinhuan | Josh_Borke: no |
| 23:28.16 | chiper | 311 days. impressive |
| 23:28.26 | sag_ich_nicht | !c EU Die Aldor Samora |
| 23:28.29 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Samora, Level 70 Blood Elf Paladin (0/49/12). 14727 HP; 5478 Mana; 84 mana regen; 15579 Armour; 79.400 Melee DPS; 4.80% melee crit; 266 +spell dmg/heal; 299 defense; 21.21% dodge; 21.24% block;[[ TBR: 899 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ywqnwy ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/35nzmc ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 18:35:47 2008 EST ]] |
| 23:28.33 | sag_ich_nicht | !c EU Die Aldor Durakh |
| 23:28.35 | kergoth | whee, i'm enjoying pvp again.. guess i just needed to switch classes |
| 23:28.36 | ThraeBot | sag_ich_nicht: Durakh, Level 70 Orc Warrior (8/7/46). 11094 HP; 9017 Armour; 940 AP; 131.700 Melee DPS; 7.54% melee crit; 24 melee hit; 315 defense; 14.62% dodge; 20.56% block;[[ TBR: 857 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yqkfqr ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2lu5vq ][ Updated: Thu Jan 17 18:35:54 2008 EST ]] |
| 23:28.45 | Xinhuan | [Liquidor]: http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~xinhuan/wow/temp.jpg <--- that was about 2 weeks ago |
| 23:28.51 | Xinhuan | or 3 weeks |
| 23:29.04 | Kivin | more importantly, what's this default UI business |
| 23:29.14 | [Liquidor] | What are we looking at Xinhuan? |
| 23:29.20 | Xinhuan | the /played |
| 23:29.26 | Xinhuan | and maybe the gold |
| 23:29.35 | [Liquidor] | oh lol was looking in the fubar |
| 23:29.47 | chiper | hah, I did the same thing |
| 23:30.09 | [Liquidor] | ye well i've probably spent 50% ingame and 50% offgame wow related |
| 23:30.20 | Xinhuan | if you look closely enough, you might see other things, i dunno *wink* |
| 23:30.21 | Josh_Borke | wow |
| 23:30.25 | TNSe | dunno [Liquidor]... I have 6 lvl 70's and a 7th on the way |
| 23:30.39 | Josh_Borke | you people comparing your played time |
| 23:31.17 | CIA-8 | 03mokhtar * r58684 10GridDynamicLayout/GridDynamicLayout.lua: |
| 23:31.17 | CIA-8 | GridDynamicLayout: |
| 23:31.17 | CIA-8 | - Added optional pet group for warlocks / hunters |
| 23:31.22 | Pernicius | i have only ~240 days, two 70's and only 1k gold |
| 23:31.25 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan, what would that be? |
| 23:31.28 | [Liquidor] | Your title? |
| 23:31.31 | Josh_Borke | he has 70k gold |
| 23:31.34 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 23:31.51 | [Liquidor] | My max was 67k tho |
| 23:31.51 | Josh_Borke | he's also GL of an Illidan killing guild |
| 23:31.56 | Josh_Borke | which i don't think you are [Liquidor] |
| 23:31.58 | Thrae | chiper: !c <us/eu> <char> <server> == msg:match("c?h?a?r? ([EUeu][USus]) (.+) (%S+)"). Note that %S == anything without a space (equivilent to [^%s]) |
| 23:32.07 | [Liquidor] | Josh_Borke, way to hurt my feelings |
| 23:32.10 | Thrae | Whoops |
| 23:32.18 | Thrae | s/c?/c/ |
| 23:32.19 | Josh_Borke | [Liquidor]: are you a guild leader? |
| 23:32.22 | chiper | heh, little delayed there thrae |
| 23:32.28 | [Liquidor] | no, but im hurt anyway |
| 23:32.31 | [Liquidor] | !!1! |
| 23:32.38 | Thrae | chiper: I wasn't on IRC at the time you asked ;) |
| 23:32.43 | Josh_Borke | [Liquidor]: that was my only point, not the illidan killing part ;-) |
| 23:32.44 | Xinhuan | actually Josh_Borke, my guild hasn't killed illidan, but has killed the boss just before |
| 23:32.51 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: you fail |
| 23:32.54 | Xinhuan | :( |
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| 23:32.58 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: let me join yoru guild and i'll fix it |
| 23:33.04 | Josh_Borke | Xinhuan: you just have to gear me up first :-D |
| 23:33.26 | Xinhuan | it'll work IF you are on a US server, and you can raid between 1.30-5am server time PST |
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| 23:33.40 | Josh_Borke | sure, i'm great at playing while asleep! |
| 23:33.48 | chiper | which is it, server time, or PST? |
| 23:34.05 | Josh_Borke | PST makes more sense because i don't know what server he's on |
| 23:34.09 | *** join/#wowace groovings (n=grooving@39.Red-83-45-103.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:34.20 | groovings | Hi |
| 23:34.33 | Keias | His server is PST |
| 23:34.34 | Pernicius | PST? personal sleep time? |
| 23:34.40 | [Liquidor] | Your servers are located differently? |
| 23:34.49 | groovings | You speak about servers around here? |
| 23:35.02 | bigzero | Xinhuan, wtb your fps |
| 23:35.10 | Josh_Borke | groovings: this is a channel for the wow framework Ace |
| 23:35.40 | groovings | Let me check you out |
| 23:35.41 | Xinhuan | pacific server time ;d |
| 23:35.43 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan, while we're at your UI, gold etc... How come your VolumeFu doesn't take that much padding as mine? |
| 23:35.49 | [Liquidor] | or ClockFu for that matter |
| 23:35.51 | groovings | and will say if i need help or not |
| 23:35.55 | [Liquidor] | or ANY of the other icons FOR THAT MATTER |
| 23:35.55 | groovings | :) |
| 23:35.56 | Pernicius | Xinhuan: thx :) |
| 23:36.02 | Xinhuan | i set the padding in fubar options to like... 2 pixels |
| 23:36.06 | Ellipsis | [Liquidor]: turn down the padding |
| 23:36.07 | Xinhuan | between each button |
| 23:36.10 | [Liquidor] | Didn't know that existed |
| 23:36.21 | Ellipsis | yeah, you can set it separately for left/right/center as well |
| 23:36.28 | [Liquidor] | Great |
| 23:36.32 | chiper | oh, so that's where that option is |
| 23:36.41 | chiper | I need to make that tweak |
| 23:36.42 | Xinhuan | so i just chucked all the "config opener" buttons there |
| 23:36.45 | groovings | hell, yeah, i used most of the addons based on ace |
| 23:36.49 | Xinhuan | and squeezed the padding |
| 23:36.56 | groovings | but not my place today |
| 23:37.04 | groovings | have a good time |
| 23:37.19 | groovings | Any channel for servers around? |
| 23:37.24 | Xinhuan | someone was like "OMG i didn't know you can set different colors on each SWStats button" |
| 23:37.27 | bigzero | Xinhuan, what are the buttons on the bottom right? |
| 23:37.31 | Xinhuan | (lol) |
| 23:37.37 | Xinhuan | what do you mean buttons? |
| 23:37.40 | Xinhuan | the swstats ones? |
| 23:37.44 | chiper | groovings: wait, why did you come here if you didnt know what the channel was? |
| 23:37.55 | bigzero | perhaps... w/e the colorful round things are :-) |
| 23:38.13 | groovings | :), just tried it, and i love the .Lua files on ace addons |
| 23:38.15 | Tuikku | http://tuikku.googlepages.com/hahmot.jpg |
| 23:38.18 | chiper | bigzero: lets you switch between display modes |
| 23:38.36 | groovings | but it was because it is wow related |
| 23:38.42 | bigzero | chiper, what mod is that |
| 23:38.46 | chiper | sw-stats |
| 23:38.58 | bigzero | oh, display modes for sw-stats.. gotcha |
| 23:39.23 | groovings | ok g2g, will check the topics |
| 23:39.25 | Xinhuan | i thought for a moment, you meant my bar addon |
| 23:39.31 | *** part/#wowace groovings (n=grooving@39.Red-83-45-103.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:39.33 | Xinhuan | which "replaces" the bag buttons |
| 23:39.38 | [Liquidor] | [00:35:55] [Tuikku] http://tuikku.googlepages.com/hahmot.jpg |
| 23:39.41 | Xinhuan | and minimenu buttons |
| 23:39.43 | [Liquidor] | at least my nicks are better !!1! |
| 23:39.45 | Xinhuan | with more action buttons |
| 23:39.48 | Josh_Borke | Tuikku: nice |
| 23:39.52 | Josh_Borke | tuikku: legit? |
| 23:39.59 | Tuikku | yeah |
| 23:40.09 | Josh_Borke | tuikku: what are you going to do come wotlk? |
| 23:40.09 | Tuikku | got way too much free time |
| 23:40.18 | Josh_Borke | you won't get to keep your temppi |
| 23:40.21 | [Liquidor] | choosing 1 ofc |
| 23:40.25 | Tuikku | not playing that much anymore |
| 23:40.26 | [Liquidor] | then at 80 another |
| 23:40.37 | Tuikku | not even sure if ill by wotlk |
| 23:40.59 | bigzero | Tuikku, what's with the lvl 1? |
| 23:41.00 | [Liquidor] | Tuikku, you the one who made them all 70 the same day? |
| 23:41.06 | [Liquidor] | bigzero, tank |
| 23:41.07 | [Liquidor] | bank* |
| 23:41.18 | Tuikku | bank char.... i think i should delete it 8) |
| 23:41.30 | Tuikku | lol no |
| 23:41.30 | bigzero | you should..it ruins the nice list of 70s |
| 23:41.31 | [Liquidor] | wtb char ordering |
| 23:41.35 | Josh_Borke | it would be cooler if it was at the bottom |
| 23:41.36 | bigzero | get a lvl 70 bank |
| 23:41.57 | [Liquidor] | my bank is 2nd on my list :(( |
| 23:42.03 | [Liquidor] | Would have to delete 7 then |
| 23:42.09 | [Liquidor] | or wait |
| 23:42.13 | [Liquidor] | no :> |
| 23:42.14 | chiper | I just keep mails flowing between all my characters :P |
| 23:42.20 | chiper | better then a bank alt |
| 23:42.24 | [Liquidor] | I hate that |
| 23:42.27 | bigzero | get a guild bank just for yourself |
| 23:42.34 | Tuikku | hehe |
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| 23:42.40 | Josh_Borke | i hate having a mail sign |
| 23:42.42 | Josh_Borke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.44 | [Liquidor] | Postal - Forward All: Bank |
| 23:42.52 | [Liquidor] | Bank - Open All |
| 23:43.24 | Josh_Borke | hm, time to go home |
| 23:43.26 | Josh_Borke | bye bye |
| 23:43.29 | chiper | especially now that you can have 10 items on each message. it's like having 20 bags in my bank :D |
| 23:43.37 | Xinhuan | postal doesn't have a "forward" function |
| 23:43.49 | Xinhuan | in fact, no mail addon does! |
| 23:43.59 | alcaras | hrm, wowaceupdater overwrote my config.lua for PT3Bar :-/ |
| 23:43.59 | nevcairiel | they used to |
| 23:43.59 | chiper | ct_mail does |
| 23:44.01 | nevcairiel | what happend ? :P |
| 23:44.05 | Xinhuan | ct_mail removed it as well |
| 23:44.08 | alcaras | is there a way to tell wowaceupdater to ignore a file? |
| 23:44.12 | chiper | really? why? |
| 23:44.21 | Xinhuan | because it broke after they added in item stacking |
| 23:44.41 | Xinhuan | if you retrieved mail and itstacked with an existing pile, you have to unstack that before you can send it |
| 23:44.49 | Xinhuan | and with multi-attachments mails |
| 23:44.57 | Xinhuan | its more trouble than its worth coding for |
| 23:45.03 | Xinhuan | so all mail addons removed it |
| 23:45.27 | chiper | sounds like a nice niche |
| 23:45.29 | Xinhuan | since they were relying on "detecting" which bag/slot changed |
| 23:45.35 | Xinhuan | during the mail retrieval |
| 23:45.38 | Xinhuan | which isn't very reliable |
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| 23:46.08 | TNSe | Tuikku, my bank got deleted and is now my second priest and I'm levelling up |
| 23:46.17 | TNSe | it will look like 10x70 for me within a month or so :P |
| 23:46.21 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan, I just do it manually |
| 23:46.32 | [Liquidor] | Open all, send all (altclick) |
| 23:47.27 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 23:47.29 | TNSe | I hope they allow for more chars in next expansion |
| 23:47.30 | [Liquidor] | alcaras, no. Only the entire addon |
| 23:47.36 | TNSe | I dont want to have to delete one to get a deathknight .p |
| 23:47.43 | [Liquidor] | they wont |
| 23:48.10 | [Liquidor] | they "feel" that 10 is enough, even for the next exp |
| 23:48.22 | TNSe | they should |
| 23:48.30 | TNSe | 10 is 1 of each class |
| 23:48.31 | [Liquidor] | they should op locks |
| 23:48.41 | chiper | they'll expect you to xfer one to another realm |
| 23:48.44 | nevcairiel | you should consider getting a job if you have 10 70ish chars :) |
| 23:48.52 | TNSe | no shit nevcairiel :P |
| 23:49.03 | TNSe | 10 70 chars on pvp server >_< |
| 23:49.07 | Tuikku | TNSe: yeah it sucks if they dont add another char slot for expansion |
| 23:49.10 | [Liquidor] | nevcairielm didn't see http://tuikku.googlepages.com/hahmot.jpg ? |
| 23:49.30 | [Liquidor] | guess Tuikku doesn't have a job |
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| 23:49.53 | CIA-8 | 03xinhuan 07Talents * r58685 10WoWEquip/ (WoWEquip.lua WoWEquipData.lua): WoWEquip: - Add functions to copy target's talents and fixed missing data. |
| 23:50.08 | Gnarfoz | TNSe: huh? 9 is one of each class. there's room left for a DK |
| 23:50.16 | Ellipsis | true addicts don't let a silly thing like a job get in the way |
| 23:50.18 | Xinhuan | he has a bank mule |
| 23:50.21 | Xinhuan | hehe |
| 23:50.34 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan, copy target's talents huh? |
| 23:51.01 | CIA-8 | 03aliset * r58686 10TankPoints/TankPoints.lua: |
| 23:51.01 | CIA-8 | TankPoints: |
| 23:51.01 | CIA-8 | - Add more asserts to find future TP_FIRE-like bugs |
| 23:51.01 | CIA-8 | - Fix for the TP_FIRE bug. Seems to work. |
| 23:51.02 | TNSe | Gnarfoz, but no bank char! |
| 23:51.05 | Xinhuan | when you target someone and copy their gear into wowequip, it'll also "copy" their talents into the calculations |
| 23:51.25 | Xinhuan | its still in branches, i'm still testing stuff, but its almost done |
| 23:51.26 | nevcairiel | I have 3 chars on 70, i do high-end raids with one, play in my freetime with the another, and the third .. hrm .. for farming sometimes. what do i need more. I claim to be good with all of them, and wouldnt want to "just play", i try to play it right ;) |
| 23:51.37 | [Liquidor] | which you would have to type in manually ? |
| 23:51.47 | Gnarfoz | TNSe: so? you don't need one, make one of the 10 a bank char or get another account or whatever, but 9 is one of each class and 10 will be including a DK :p |
| 23:51.53 | [Liquidor] | or is it the Rock thing sending talent data?` |
| 23:51.53 | Xinhuan | nah |
| 23:51.56 | TNSe | nevcairiel, all of them are kara attuned and has killed prince and I have topped healing/dps/whatever on all :P |
| 23:51.58 | chiper | I'm working on my third toon, first healer |
| 23:52.01 | Xinhuan | just part of default UI |
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| 23:52.11 | nevcairiel | TNSe: yay kara \o/ |
| 23:52.14 | Xinhuan | you can inspect people's talents.. you know right? |
| 23:52.22 | Xinhuan | since patch 2.3 |
| 23:52.25 | TNSe | hopefully second attuned to bt soon :P |
| 23:52.26 | nevcairiel | i did kara two days after i ding'ed 70 on my warrior -.- |
| 23:52.40 | Xinhuan | i.e the default UI can inspect people's talents trees |
| 23:52.43 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan, nope didn't know. Haven't read the last 2-3 patch notes |
| 23:52.48 | chiper | nev: wow, you have a tolerent guild |
| 23:52.52 | Xinhuan | if you used something like SuperInspect, you won't know about it |
| 23:52.56 | Gnarfoz | I did kara several months afterwards because my server sucks :D |
| 23:53.04 | Xinhuan | they added a talent pane to the inspect frame to default ui |
| 23:53.15 | [Liquidor] | not bad |
| 23:53.24 | Xinhuan | (and how the hell would you NOT know this?) |
| 23:53.26 | chiper | my mage didnt get into kara for weeks after it hit 70. my hunter's been 70 for months and still hasn't been in |
| 23:53.29 | [Liquidor] | they just keep exposing more and more data by time to satisfy everyone :) |
| 23:53.33 | nevcairiel | chiper: my guild kills illidan, we dont do guild kara :P and why not, he was full blue and def capped at that point |
| 23:53.34 | Xinhuan | so many addons now inspect people's talents and report it |
| 23:53.43 | Xinhuan | including cowtip, proximo and remembrance |
| 23:53.46 | Xinhuan | and scrub |
| 23:53.48 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan, playing default |
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| 23:54.00 | chiper | nev: pvp gear? |
| 23:54.01 | Xinhuan | yeah but the default Ui does it too, have you not at least inspected someone? |
| 23:54.04 | Stan_ | lol |
| 23:54.07 | Xinhuan | since patch 2.3? |
| 23:54.14 | [Liquidor] | Xinhuan, nope :) |
| 23:54.14 | Xinhuan | which was 2 months ago? |
| 23:54.15 | nevcairiel | chiper: nah, havent done a minute of pvp with the warr |
| 23:54.21 | kebinusan | do you still have to put fonts in /wow/fonts to replace the chatframe font |
| 23:54.24 | Xinhuan | [Liquidor]: fail |
| 23:54.28 | NivFreak | what's scrub actually do? |
| 23:54.30 | nevcairiel | chiper: crafted and instance drops |
| 23:54.30 | [Liquidor] | been busy mocking down mobs with all my characters |
| 23:54.37 | chiper | ah, crafted |
| 23:54.58 | Xinhuan | scrub scans the raid and checks everyone's talents, and then gives off ALERTS and WARNINGS when it detects non-pve specs/talents and questionable talent choices |
| 23:55.00 | [Liquidor] | while we're at it: cowtip blows |
| 23:55.06 | nevcairiel | 3 items felsteel set, all other quests or instances, its not hard to get kara-ready gear |
| 23:55.08 | [Liquidor] | give back Tinytip :(( |
| 23:55.08 | Xinhuan | i.e something that forces people into cookie cutter specs |
| 23:55.14 | Thrae | "10/7/2008 -- Blizzard News Update -- With the release of Wrath of the Lich King, we shall now announce the way to become a 'Death Knight'. It's very simple. For each class, there is a hidden requirement in a certain profession skill level. You may have to drop and raise multiple professions to meet this hidden requirement. Once the requirement is reached, the powerful Death Knight class will be unlocked as an extra character ... |
| 23:55.23 | Thrae | ... slot for that realm. Due to the overwhelming power of the Death Knight, this character will have permadeath, including in battlegrounds and arena." |
| 23:55.26 | Stan_ | [Liquidor]: 1. No, it does not 2. Use TinyTip? |
| 23:55.48 | [Liquidor] | Stan_, there are a couple of bugs with the current outdated version |
| 23:55.48 | nevcairiel | Thrae: you post news from the future, blasphemy! |
| 23:55.53 | [Liquidor] | there is* w/e |
| 23:56.09 | Thrae | [Liquidor]: Not to worries, Rock will fix all those problems automatically. |
| 23:56.19 | Stan_ | [Liquidor]: in tinytip? |
| 23:56.34 | [Liquidor] | Stan_, no inmyanus |
| 23:56.36 | [Liquidor] | :) |
| 23:56.39 | Stan_ | k |
| 23:56.44 | kergoth | any hunters around? curious on opinions for pets for pvp.. battlegrounds right now, but arena when i hit 70 |
| 23:56.44 | Thrae | TinyTip v3.0 has no bugs. |
| 23:56.56 | Stan_ | whatever |
| 23:56.59 | kergoth | using a bat for solo & 5 mans currently, and leveling a cat for raids someday |
| 23:56.59 | Stan_ | you are weird :P |
| 23:57.03 | nevcairiel | i use some version of tinytip, dont ask me which |
| 23:57.05 | chiper | I would think a high dps pet would be preferred in PvP |
| 23:57.21 | NivFreak | I want to wield a baseball bat |
| 23:57.22 | nevcairiel | get a ravager |
| 23:57.25 | chiper | so a cat or ravager, maybe a wind cerpent |
| 23:57.26 | nevcairiel | good for pve and pvp :P |
| 23:57.27 | chiper | serpent |
| 23:57.45 | [Liquidor] | I don't use either anymore |
| 23:57.49 | kergoth | hrm |
| 23:58.03 | chiper | niv: I'm pretty sure there is a green with a baseball bat model |
| 23:58.08 | [Liquidor] | I just added a small .lua to my Interface setting the parent of the tooltip to the cursor. Works wonders |
| 23:58.11 | chiper | I know there's one that's a board with a nail in it |
| 23:58.29 | NivFreak | chiper: I demand a name |
| 23:58.32 | Thrae | [Liquidor]: You're welcome to submit any errors you find in v3.0 to my Google SVN |
| 23:58.49 | [Liquidor] | Thrae, don't think I've been using v3. |
| 23:58.51 | chiper | sorry, I dont commit memory to equipment names |
| 23:58.57 | NivFreak | fail! |
| 23:58.58 | Thrae | Oh, well v2.0 isn't supported |
| 23:59.01 | nevcairiel | i should upgrade my tinytip to the latest |
| 23:59.05 | chiper | it changes too often |
| 23:59.10 | [Liquidor] | Not asking for it either Thrae :) |
| 23:59.13 | nevcairiel | i still didnt get bugs with the 2.0 tho =P |
| 23:59.22 | kergoth | i'll be using the old ace2 version until tinytip gets more configuration in game, myself. since i'm lazy |
| 23:59.35 | Stan_ | Thrae: can't find 3.0 on your svn, only 2.0 |
| 23:59.39 | Thrae | TinyTip v3.0 has no in-game configuration |
| 23:59.46 | Thrae | Wait |
| 23:59.47 | nevcairiel | all i need is positioning the tip, really |
