IRC log for #wowace on 20071217

`00:00.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`heh`
`00:00.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`<--- airsoft :)`
`00:00.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`want a Desert Storm kit`
`00:00.36`	`kenlyric`	`BDU? halp`
`00:00.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yes BDU`
`00:00.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`gonna buy a M14 soon, methinks`
`00:01.05`	`kenlyric`	`ok, halp means "wtf is a BDU"`
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`00:01.28`	`kenlyric`	`specifically, what does BDU stand for, since i can see from the picture what it is.`
`00:01.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Battle Dress Uniform`
`00:03.51`	`kenlyric`	`I don't get the digital thing.`
`00:03.57`	`kenlyric`	`is that for hiding in the Matrix?`
`00:04.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`haha indeed`
`00:04.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`looks ridiculous`
`00:05.12`	`kenlyric`	`there's got to be a reason for it.`
`00:05.22`	`Wobwork`	`"You can't see me if you squint really hard!"`
`00:05.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hahaha`
`00:05.29`	`Pkekyo\|`	`too true`
`00:05.44`	`Pkekyo\|`	`prolly because they think it'll look fancy in baghdad or something`
`00:06.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`though for that purpose they'd be better off attaching car grills and storefronts to their BDUs :p`
`00:06.11`	`thul`	`the digital thing actually works :-P`
`00:06.18`	`thul`	`just ask the resident sniper.. :-D`
`00:06.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`resident sniper?`
`00:07.00`	`CIA-8`	`03funkydude * r57075 10BigWigs/Karazhan/Terestian.lua: BigWigs: Karazhan/Terestian: deDE update by OweH`
`00:07.37`	`thul`	`mhm, that's me.`
`00:07.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`care to elaborate?`
`00:08.03`	`Wobwork`	`Is it a distance thing?`
`00:08.23`	`Wobwork`	`and if so, why do the squares differ from any other shape?`
`00:08.33`	`kenlyric`	`I don't deny the colors are effective. I just wonder why it's patterned in blocks.`
`00:08.41`	`kenlyric`	`is it cheaper to print that way?"`
`00:08.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`haha`
`00:08.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`sounds logical enough in a horribly retarded way, kenlyric`
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`00:09.46`	`thul`	`well, the logic behind it is the contrast capacity of the eye`
`00:09.49`	`Pkekyo\|`	`the colors are fine, the squares are just fugly`
`00:09.54`	`CIA-8`	`03drool * r57076 10Nauticus/ (5 files):`
`00:09.54`	`CIA-8`	`Nauticus:`
`00:09.54`	`CIA-8`	`- replace Titan dropdown menu with Dewdrop`
`00:09.56`	`thul`	`and on the sniper thing, well, that was the training i got in the army:P`
`00:10.28`	`Wobwork`	`actually, if you think about it`
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`00:10.42`	`Wobwork`	`yes it is easier to fractally develop the colour pattern like that`
`00:10.47`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`STORMHERALD IS MINE!`
`00:10.50`	`Wobwork`	`instead of trying to generate a more organic one`
`00:10.51`	`thul`	`congrats.`
`00:11.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`gz sag_ich_nicht`
`00:11.41`	`Wobwork`	`It may be damnarse ugly close up`
`00:11.54`	`Wobwork`	`but if you're close enough to see the squares.... you're probably a little too close =P`
`00:12.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`heh`
`00:12.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`"if you can read this, our snipers can read your lips"`
`00:13.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I just imagine car grills and store fronts would be more effective in an urban environment than fucking squares`
`00:13.54`	`kenlyric`	`squares are used because they're easier to render on a computer.`
`00:13.56`	`thul`	`well, the "digital" camo is very, very effective out in the field.`
`00:14.18`	`thul`	`the size of the squares is so small that the eye doesen't get the "contrast" at about 20-30 meter, iirc`
`00:14.21`	`kenlyric`	`another shapes can be used, but they have the same effect from far away.`
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`00:14.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so basicly, digital camo is the result of lazyness??`
`00:14.51`	`thul`	`not really.`
`00:14.56`	`thul`	`that is the most effective solution:)`
`00:14.57`	`kenlyric`	`efficiency.`
`00:15.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`laziness is a close relative to efficiency`
`00:15.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`:>`
`00:15.12`	`kenlyric`	`form following function.`
`00:15.18`	`thul`	`if you need camo, borrow my gillie:P`
`00:15.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`always wanted a ghillie tbh`
`00:15.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`but wanna make it myself`
`00:16.08`	`Wobwork`	`And after that`
`00:16.11`	`Wobwork`	`you can go into the woods`
`00:16.16`	`Wobwork`	`and cut down the tallest tree`
`00:16.18`	`Wobwork`	`with a herring`
`00:16.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`lmfao`
`00:17.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`witha herring? why, exactly?`
`00:17.05`	`RaydenU`	`so i've sold 25 ice cold milk on the AH today`
`00:17.14`	`Wobwork`	`RaydenU: rofl, cookies?`
`00:17.20`	`Wobwork`	`what about eggs?`
`00:17.28`	`RaydenU`	`i don't have any eggs`
`00:17.34`	`Wobwork`	`I should totally farm up some eggs`
`00:17.35`	`RaydenU`	`those are only drops right?`
`00:17.38`	`Wobwork`	`yeah`
`00:17.46`	`RaydenU`	`that's work`
`00:18.11`	`thul`	`i made one myself :-P`
`00:18.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wobwork: why a fucking herring?`
`00:18.20`	`thul`	`but I'm sniper-par-excellance :-P`
`00:19.03`	`RaydenU`	`small eggs are going for 20s a piece on the AH`
`00:19.07`	`RaydenU`	`that doesn't seem worth it`
`00:19.40`	`Wobwork`	`Pkekyo\|: http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-19.htm`
`00:19.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`par-exellance?`
`00:19.52`	`Wobwork`	`"Very Good"`
`00:20.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i swear i'm in a group with the dumbest shaman ever`
`00:20.04`	`thul`	`yup`
`00:20.06`	`thul`	`that is me:P`
`00:20.08`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ah`
`00:20.11`	`thul`	`NightHawkTheSane: ok?`
`00:20.13`	`kenlyric`	`http://www.hyperstealth.com/specam/science/index.html`
`00:20.14`	`RaydenU`	`what is he doing?`
`00:20.30`	`thul`	`I grouped with a "FROSSHOCK IS BEST; STUF!!" the other day`
`00:20.31`	`thul`	`i was tanking`
`00:20.32`	`thul`	`:-(`
`00:20.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thul: yeah, thats what i mean ><`
`00:20.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`he keeps fucking frost shockign`
`00:21.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`and I (pally tank) am not prot specced (yet)`
`00:21.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`thul: how'd you make your ghillie?`
`00:21.18`	`Wobwork`	`kenlyric: interesting`
`00:21.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`i farmed 220 small eggs yesterday`
`00:21.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`and im so using them to make cake`
`00:21.38`	`Wobwork`	`omg cake =(`
`00:21.42`	`Wobwork`	`I still want the cake recipe`
`00:21.49`	`ulic`	`the ginger bread cookies are a lie too`
`00:21.50`	`kenlyric`	`i have cake.`
`00:21.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`it take 8 small eggs per =(`
`00:21.55`	`kenlyric`	`I eat cake and eggnong`
`00:22.11`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|: bought a normal kjeledress and a jordb�r�kernett and lots of strie.`
`00:22.26`	`kenlyric`	`you just have no idea how cheap those eggs will be after christmas is over :)`
`00:22.41`	`thul`	`then I sew the jordb�r�kernett on the kjeledress, and then i tied 4-20cm long pieces of strie (about 3-4cm wide) to each single small square-part on the net`
`00:22.49`	`thul`	`and then i stringed them up`
`00:22.55`	`thul`	`so they were just a bunch of small "straws"`
`00:23.12`	`Wobwork`	`Do you use it as a fireside rug when you're not in the field?`
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`00:23.27`	`kenlyric`	`make sweet love by the fire?`
`00:23.37`	`Wobwork`	`Sweet sweet hidden love`
`00:23.47`	`Wobwork`	`"Oh I love you Thul... hey... where'd you go?"`
`00:24.00`	`thul`	`haha`
`00:24.01`	`thul`	`no.. :-P`
`00:24.05`	`thul`	`maybe i should:D`
`00:25.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`where'd you get the burlap?`
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`00:25.29`	`thul`	`well, the sniper instructor got it for us:P but most painting stores will have it i guess`
`00:25.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ah`
`00:25.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if I'm making a ghillie it'll be a two-piece made on a regular BDU, methinks`
`00:25.57`	`thul`	`mhm?`
`00:26.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`an OD BDU probably`
`00:27.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`guess the strawberryfield webbing could work well`
`00:27.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I hate onepiece suits though...only use them whilst at sea`
`00:27.52`	`thul`	`hehe, i cut mine in two`
`00:27.55`	`thul`	`top and bottom`
`00:28.29`	`Wobwork`	`with a belly stripe for extra style`
`00:28.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wouldn't an OD BDU work just as well?`
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`00:28.57`	`thul`	`i guess it would`
`00:29.24`	`Pkekyo\|`	`methinks it'd be a wee bit retatded to pop a woodland BDU for it, no?`
`00:29.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`atleast for an allround suit`
`00:30.30`	`thul`	`well, the most important part is to put _lots_ of burlap on and to "flise" it up.`
`00:30.37`	`thul`	`and also to use local vegetation in the suit`
`00:30.39`	`thul`	`change as you go`
`00:30.45`	`thul`	`the vegetation is what makes any suit`
`00:30.49`	`Wobwork`	`"No one here but us sacks'`
`00:31.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yeah, that's what I meant....won't help with an awesome ghillie if the woodland can be spotted on stomach/arms etc`
`00:32.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`also: does it matter what boots you wear with a ghillie?`
`00:32.34`	`thul`	`well, un-shiny is most important`
`00:32.40`	`thul`	`and pref use "war paint" on them too`
`00:32.47`	`thul`	`an all black area will always be a dead give-away.`
`00:32.51`	`Wobwork`	`And preferably not hot pink`
`00:33.05`	`thul`	`use rubber bands, to attatch vegetation to your boots.`
`00:33.06`	`Wobwork`	`Although stylish, may result in more attention than intended`
`00:33.11`	`thul`	`or use anklets.`
`00:33.18`	`thul`	`that you sew strawberry net on`
`00:33.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`anklets?`
`00:34.13`	`Wobwork`	`elastics, I imagine`
`00:34.33`	`Wobwork`	`The loops you used to blouse the legs of your pants?`
`00:34.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`norwegian name for it, thul?`
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`00:37.11`	`kenlyric`	`remove all the black.`
`00:37.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`kenlyric: huh?`
`00:37.31`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|.. hmm, to sec:P`
`00:37.32`	`thul`	`tenke`
`00:37.42`	`thul`	`litt tr�tt bare:P det heter..`
`00:37.50`	`thul`	`arrgh, s�nn man har n�r man kj�rer telemarkski:P`
`00:37.51`	`thul`	`gammeldags.`
`00:37.53`	`thul`	`satan s� glemsk`
`00:37.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`gammasjer?`
`00:38.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`dritten onkel skrue har p� beina? :p`
`00:38.50`	`thul`	`jaa`
`00:38.51`	`thul`	`gamasjer ja`
`00:39.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what's the name of the shit scrooge mcduck wears on his feet? :p`
`00:39.47`	`Wobwork`	`oh`
`00:39.48`	`Wobwork`	`hm`
`00:39.55`	`Wobwork`	`I used to know`
`00:40.00`	`Wobwork`	`spats?`
`00:40.11`	`Wobwork`	`yeah, spats`
`00:42.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ah`
`00:44.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`thul: one more thing....tiger stripes or randomass slobs?`
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`00:48.34`	`thul`	`Pkekyo\|: well, depends, if you are in a corn field, having a regular pattern that looks like the corn is a good thing`
`00:48.44`	`thul`	`if you are in an eneb�rkratt, a more random pattern is better`
`00:49.12`	`kenlyric`	`true digital camo, that changes patterns.`
`00:49.14`	`kenlyric`	`:)`
`00:50.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`thul: was thinking facial paint...hear there's a new generation of officers in the army nowadays that hate tigerstripes`
`00:50.23`	`Wobwork`	`not stylish enough?`
`00:50.33`	`Wobwork`	`more glitter, perhaps =P`
`00:50.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`nowadays they seem to smere all kinds of colors randomly all over their faces`
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`00:51.51`	`Wobwork`	`The HalfGough method`
`00:52.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`the whatnow?`
`00:52.20`	`Wobwork`	`(The FullGough involving removal of one ear)`
`00:52.31`	`thul`	`well, tiger stripes are a bit too regular.`
`00:52.34`	`thul`	`that is the problem`
`00:52.44`	`thul`	`btw, the burlap is mostly there to disguise the contoures/shape of a human body`
`00:52.48`	`thul`	`remove shoulders, head etc.`
`00:52.50`	`Wobwork`	`Pkekyo\|: You should realise by now that the majority of my comments are me talking out of my arse =)`
`00:53.01`	`thul`	`make it a un-distinct shape`
`00:53.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so random slabs everywhere?`
`00:53.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`did rather thick green/brown tigerstripes once....worked pretty well imo`
`00:53.57`	`thul`	`well, I had black underpaint, entire face`
`00:54.11`	`thul`	`and then used dark green/light green to make shapes`
`00:54.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well, I prolly won't make it into the army anyways, so won't have to deal with disapproving officers :p`
`00:54.18`	`thul`	`heh`
`00:54.31`	`thul`	`I was the #1 sniper my year in everything but drawing :-P`
`00:54.49`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what outfit were you with?`
`00:55.01`	`Wobwork`	`thul: Maybe you should have used a softer pencil`
`00:55.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs20/i/2007/295/3/3/CAMO_II_by_Pkekyo.jpg almost done tigerstripes...hadn't done the eyes/lips properly yet`
`00:56.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`worked pretty well`
`00:56.10`	`Pkekyo\|`	`(note: color corrected)`
`00:56.58`	`thul`	`GSV`
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`00:57.11`	`thul`	`only outfit with a decent sniper instructor`
`00:57.13`	`thul`	`and he has quit now :-(`
`00:57.15`	`thul`	`the norwegian army doesen't want snipers`
`00:57.17`	`thul`	`BOO!`
`00:57.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`think that was my #1 selection as well`
`00:57.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`the norwegian army sucks`
`00:57.24`	`thul`	`but I'm going to bed :-) work in 6 hours :-P`
`00:57.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`when the US run out of middle-eastern countries with oil they're gonna come here, and we'll need snipers! :p`
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`00:57.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'nite... I've still gotta write that bloody neo-norwegian essay`
`00:58.10`	`Wobwork`	`yay for the isolation of Australia =P`
`00:58.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`s/isolation/capitulation/`
`00:58.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`at least, up until recently i guess`
`00:58.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wobwork: your arse really needs to colaborate`
`00:58.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`s/colaborate/elaborate/`
`00:58.40`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i hear you guys ousted your previous douche of a prime minister`
`00:59.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`australia? what happened to australia?`
`00:59.41`	`Wobwork`	`It's true`
`00:59.54`	`Wobwork`	`We got a new Prime Minister and political party in power`
`01:00.04`	`Wobwork`	`Kevin Rudd`
`01:00.19`	`Wobwork`	`affectionally known as "Ruddster" "Ruddles" or "That bastard" is our new PM`
`01:01.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I'd make additional comments, but I'm not really up on australian politics. :(`
`01:01.44`	`Wobwork`	`It's close to American politics =P`
`01:02.01`	`Wobwork`	`but with less angst`
`01:02.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`so, filled with idiots, and gives you ulcers?`
`01:02.24`	`Wobwork`	`Well, it's less of a popularity contest`
`01:02.39`	`Wobwork`	`and more in tune with real politics. ie, how convincing a lie you can tell`
`01:02.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so the aussies won't be US' lapdogs anymore?`
`01:03.02`	`Pkekyo\|`	`or more of a lapdog?`
`01:03.02`	`Wobwork`	`Oh we probably will still be`
`01:03.09`	`Wobwork`	`but also with closer ties to Asia`
`01:03.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobwork: its not that us politics is a popularity contest, it's that our media is criminally crorrupt`
`01:03.18`	`Wobwork`	`so conflict may lie there =P`
`01:03.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`closer ties to asia is good...proper fetish porn`
`01:03.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`s/cro/co/`
`01:03.37`	`Wobwork`	`Our PM speaks fluent Mandarin`
`01:03.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nice`
`01:03.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`that's just fuckedup tbh :p`
`01:03.53`	`Wobwork`	`hehe`
`01:04.13`	`Wobwork`	`He got caught in a strip club`
`01:04.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if norway's PM spoke more than stuttering english I'd get suspicious and have him asassinated :p`
`01:04.17`	`Wobwork`	`it was most amusing`
`01:04.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`better than our president, who speaks fluent redneck`
`01:04.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ahaha`
`01:04.40`	`Pkekyo\|`	`there's no such thing as -fluent- redneck`
`01:04.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no,only idiotic redneck, but that's fairly redundant.`
`01:04.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`redneck is in no way fluent, so one can't speak fluent redneck....or something :p`
`01:05.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`should I get started on that neo-norwegian essay maybe?`
`01:05.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`.`
`01:06.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`when is it due?`
`01:06.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~time`
`01:06.14`	`purl`	`2007.12.17 1:06:14 GMT, or the fourth dimension`
`01:06.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`friday 14th december '07 - 23:54:59`
`01:06.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`so, two days ago?`
`01:07.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yup`
`01:07.22`	`Wobwork`	`The one thing I like about Australian politics is that we take -nothing- seriously =P`
`01:07.23`	`Wobwork`	`http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2007-12-12-clean-underwear_N.htm?csp=34`
`01:07.45`	`Wobwork`	`stuff like this happens, and Australians go "rofl lol"`
`01:07.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`prolly should, will flunk if I don't hand it in...and gotta write a 7+ page essay by this friday 23:54:59`
`01:08.17`	`Wobwork`	`also, we're probably one of the few countries that The Chaser could even exist`
`01:08.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`DARWIN, Australia (AP) ? <story follows here> <------- for some reason, I knew it'd be something stupid :p`
`01:08.47`	`Pkekyo\|`	`the chaser?`
`01:08.53`	`Ellipsis`	`pfft`
`01:08.57`	`Ellipsis`	`if you don't know chaser then you fail at life`
`01:09.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I thought that was blatantly obvious from the get-go?`
`01:09.49`	`Wobwork`	`The Chaser is a TV show here, it's basically a group of guys who make fun of politically active topics`
`01:10.00`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ah`
`01:10.12`	`Wobwork`	`and try to embarrass politicians/the government any way they can on public TV`
`01:10.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`there's a scheduled show that does that every friday at 20:55 on the government channel here :p`
`01:10.28`	`Wobwork`	`in a humourous way`
`01:10.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well, not only politics, regular news as well...`
`01:10.49`	`Wobwork`	`Oh we have Media Watch for that`
`01:11.00`	`Wobwork`	`That basically takes all the newspaper/mainstream TV news`
`01:11.04`	`Wobwork`	`and rips the crap out of them`
`01:11.27`	`Wobwork`	`showing logical fallacies and stuff`
`01:11.37`	`Wobwork`	`but the Chaser is much more amusing`
`01:11.44`	`Wobwork`	`like their APEC stunt`
`01:12.27`	`RaydenU`	`why does bottomscanner prevent me from browsing the AH when it is asking me if i want to bid on something?`
`01:12.35`	`RaydenU`	`so i can't actually see what that item is going for`
`01:12.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`because you're a bad person!`
`01:12.41`	`dylanm_`	`Eyes on the prize`
`01:13.57`	`Wobwork`	`RaydenU: maybe it needs to keep a grip on the item being bid upon`
`01:14.09`	`Wobwork`	`and it's an indexed by 'current page' method`
`01:14.19`	`Wobwork`	`so if you do another search, it changes that index`
`01:15.09`	`kenlyric`	`some stuff is still indexed by current page. like the perecent markup/markdown column.`
`01:17.23`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so...what movie should I watch whilst attempting to wrtie the essay?`
`01:17.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Pi`
`01:17.36`	`Wobwork`	`no no`
`01:17.37`	`Wobwork`	`you eat pi`
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`01:17.42`	`Ellipsis`	`no`
`01:17.44`	`Ellipsis`	`you memorize pi`
`01:17.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`eat pi while watching pi?`
`01:17.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`pi?`
`01:18.01`	`Wobwork`	`mmmm pi`
`01:18.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes`
`01:18.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`someone elaborate, fucksake`
`01:18.26`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you asked fora movie to watch, i gave you a suggestion`
`01:18.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`if you don't know what it is, look it the fuck up :P`
`01:18.42`	`Wobwork`	`It's a horrific Sandra Bullock movie`
`01:18.46`	`Wobwork`	`Or was that something else`
`01:18.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, that was The net`
`01:18.57`	`Wobwork`	`oh so it was`
`01:19.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`or.. for that matter.. EVERY sandra bullock movie`
`01:19.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`if i wasnt on my alt right now fucking around while i wait to get into hyjal on my main i would be figuring out who the fuck broke honorfu/glorylib and slaping them`
`01:19.14`	`Killmore`	`anyone know if the "vanish" bug at the eagle gauntlet event work ?`
`01:19.26`	`Wobwork`	`Killmore: What's the process?`
`01:21.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`so...I've gotta write an essay on "a world without celebrities" <---- any ideas on the subject?`
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`01:22.07`	`Wobwork`	`hm`
`01:22.13`	`Wobwork`	`It'd have to be a World Without Media`
`01:22.30`	`Wobwork`	`or at least non-government controlled media`
`01:22.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`basicly, go back a few hundred thousand years? :p`
`01:22.50`	`Wobwork`	`possibly, but even then there were 'legends' and stuff`
`01:23.00`	`Wobwork`	`You'd have to cut out mass communication`
`01:23.16`	`Wobwork`	`I guess it comes down to what you define as a Celebrity`
`01:23.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`were there mass communications a few hundred years ago?`
`01:23.43`	`Wobwork`	`Some bloke defeating an evil king and taking his empire could have been a Celebrity`
`01:23.55`	`Wobwork`	`s/empire/kingdom/`
`01:24.10`	`dylanm_`	`Probably have to read gossip about unattractive people... that'd be the worst.`
`01:24.11`	`Pkekyo\|`	`bare with me, the last 6 years or so I've only had recent history (1850-2007)`
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`01:24.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`a few hundred years ago there was mass communication.`
`01:24.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the printing press was invented what, 1500s?`
`01:24.37`	`dylanm_`	`Yelling??`
`01:24.44`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pamphletting`
`01:24.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i mauled that word`
`01:24.49`	`Wobwork`	`dylanm_: That only works within the zone =)`
`01:25.07`	`Wobwork`	`NightHawkTheSane's maul crits for 38839723`
`01:25.19`	`dylanm_`	`Wobwork: Then I get on supershadowchocobo :-/`
`01:25.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`flyers, newspapers, pamphlets, etc. the newspaper is -not- a new development`
`01:25.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`NightHawkTheSane: meant hundred thousand years ago`
`01:25.54`	`Wobwork`	`So really, it all depends on how you define 'Celebrity' at the beginning of your essay`
`01:26.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Pkekyo\|: well thats not what you said. :P`
`01:26.16`	`Wobwork`	`if you limit your definition, you can write anything you want =)`
`01:26.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`a hundred thousand years ago, I think humans were little more than apes, so.. not so much with the mass communication`
`01:27.04`	`Wobwork`	`Cause the goal isn't to write "The absolutely most truthful and correct" version of the essay topic. It's to write an essay that answers the topic and will get a good mark =P`
`01:27.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`tbh, I just want to pass the goddamn class :p`
`01:27.27`	`Wobwork`	`see?`
`01:28.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Actually, i guess the first homo sapiens appeared ~100kbc, so you could argue human society existed at that point, but yeah, still no mass communication, I don't think we'd hit the bronze age by then`
`01:28.30`	`Wobwork`	`NightHawkTheSane: but myth and legend supplied the "Celebrity"`
`01:28.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`what's the current name of leningrad?`
`01:28.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobwork: well, yes, but I'm strictly talking about the question of whether mass communication existed :P`
`01:29.05`	`Wobwork`	`St Petersburg?`
`01:29.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ah`
`01:29.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobwork: if we're focusing on celebrities, then for as long as there has been language, there has been myth, legend, and thus heroes/celebrities`
`01:29.44`	`Wobwork`	`yes`
`01:29.51`	`Wobwork`	`So we need to limit the definition of Celebrity`
`01:29.57`	`Wobwork`	`in order to get a useful essay`
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`01:30.12`	`Pkekyo\|`	`indeed`
`01:30.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well you could have a useful essay, it just wouldn't be what the teacher wants ;)`
`01:30.32`	`Wobwork`	`Going off topic probably won't net the best marks =)`
`01:30.40`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I was thinking I could write something similar to parts of the 1984 (the book) society`
`01:30.54`	`Wobwork`	`Pkekyo\|: Although, if you want to be accurate, it's called Санкт-Петербург`
`01:30.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if I get a 2 or better, I'm satisfied`
`01:31.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobwork: huh, my system rendered that properly. neat. :)`
`01:31.20`	`Pkekyo\|`	`mine too`
`01:31.24`	`Wobwork`	`NightHawkTheSane: hehe so did mine =) I was impressed`
`01:31.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`felt like slapping him, but got so impressed I decided not to`
`01:31.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Well, I figured it would, but I've never actually tried or seen it render russian`
`01:32.14`	`Wobwork`	`Pkekyo\|: Aye, a 'world without celebrities' would certainly have to be somewhat dystopic`
`01:32.22`	`Wobwork`	`definitely government controlled media`
`01:32.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`dystopic is an understatement`
`01:32.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its also not a word. hmm. dystopian`
`01:32.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that would be the word you want`
`01:33.11`	`Wobwork`	`dystopiac?`
`01:33.15`	`Wobwork`	`heeh`
`01:33.39`	`Wobwork`	`Dystopiary: A series of hedges, cut into shapes of video cameras all pointing towards you`
`01:33.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`haha`
`01:34.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if I only had finished reading 1984 :p`
`01:34.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`rofl Wobwork`
`01:35.57`	`Wobwork`	`Pkekyo\|: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four`
`01:35.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~dict sniper`
`01:36.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~dict sniper 2`
`01:36.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`~dict 2 sniper`
`01:37.04`	`Wobwork`	`doughfoot?`
`01:37.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I don't wanna know tbh :p`
`01:43.01`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hmm...3am...five hours to go thne`
`01:50.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`err....what symbols does the russians use for numbers?`
`01:53.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`standard arabic numerals.`
`01:53.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ie 1234567890?`
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`02:08.32`	`RaydenU`	`oh it does`
`02:08.33`	`RaydenU`	`lol`
`02:08.39`	`haste`	`I was thinking that it did also :p`
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`02:13.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`x)`
`02:14.10`	`RaydenU`	`cause i buy stuff on the AH cause it's going for less than market value`
`02:14.21`	`RaydenU`	`and then i get it and forget how much i paid so i don't know if i'm selling for a profit or not`
`02:14.27`	`RaydenU`	`not that it really matters at that point`
`02:14.27`	`CIA-8`	`03morgalm * r57078 10MorgDKP/ (8 files):`
`02:14.27`	`CIA-8`	`MorgDKP:`
`02:14.27`	`CIA-8`	`- Fix timestamp comparison to not be idiotic`
`02:14.27`	`CIA-8`	`- Fix sync issues due to new DKP loading procedure`
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`02:23.33`	`haste`	`there isn't`
`02:23.41`	`Gnarfoz`	`FixLogStrings is not needed on enGB/US right?`
`02:23.47`	`haste`	`correct`
`02:25.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`but WWS knows how to parse it, anyway`
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`02:55.27`	`CIA-8`	`03quagmire * r57079 10nQuestLog/modules/Tooltips/ (5 files in 2 dirs):`
`02:55.27`	`CIA-8`	`nQuestLog:modules\Tooltips`
`02:55.27`	`CIA-8`	`- Added "Trim tooltip info" option`
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`03:17.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`~time`
`03:17.28`	`purl`	`i guess time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2007.12.17 3:17:28 GMT`
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`03:22.57`	`Pkekyo\|`	`any idea what it is stateside atm?`
`03:23.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`s/what it/what time it/`
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`03:23.42`	`gnorlish`	`7:24-10:24`
`03:23.52`	`gnorlish`	`pm`
`03:23.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`pm?`
`03:23.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cheers`
`03:24.09`	`Xuerian`	`Is there a action_usable event?`
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`03:25.54`	`Xuerian`	`Perhaps better, when a cooldown is up`
`03:27.48`	xyu`	`can anyone help me w/ a macro`
`03:27.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`maybe`
`03:27.57`	xyu`	`They changed how iceblock works, and i can't reclick iceblock again to disable it.`
`03:28.06`	xyu`	`i'd like to remove iceblock if i hit the key again ><`
`03:28.15`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:28.17`	xyu`	`I'm not sure if there's a command to remove a buff`
`03:28.21`	xyu`	`ah that's it`
`03:28.41`	xyu`	`so it'd be like /cancelaura Ice Block /cast Ice Block ?`
`03:28.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:28.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`DAMN YOU NIGHTHAWK! :p`
`03:28.50`	xyu`	`lol`
`03:28.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	xyu`: should work
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`03:37.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah the casting stuff should be better in 2.3.2 when they give us the option to toggle or not`
`03:37.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`anyone but me getting bombarded with net splits?`
`03:38.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes everybody is`
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`03:45.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, its just you.`
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`03:54.35`	`CIA-8`	`037destiny * r57080 10Threat-1.0/Threat-1.0/NPCModules/Karazhan/Nightbane.lua:`
`03:54.35`	`CIA-8`	`Threat-1.0:`
`03:54.35`	`CIA-8`	`- koKR Karazhan Nightbane update`
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`03:55.52`	`Orionshock`	`that's fn' awsome how spec inspect works cross faction`
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`04:01.04`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it's very likely unintended, and i wouldn't be surprised if it disappears`
`04:02.26`	`Orionshock`	`now if only there was a way to import that into tallented`
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`04:06.03`	`bigzero`	`ew...why does WAU use IE instead of the default browser when clicking ads?`
`04:06.16`	`Orionshock`	`cookies`
`04:06.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mmm.... cookies`
`04:06.34`	`bigzero`	`cookies?`
`04:06.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`lemon frosted cookies`
`04:07.01`	`bigzero`	`choco chip...maybe oreos instead though`
`04:07.21`	`bigzero`	`anyhow, what about cookies?`
`04:07.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`only if it's coffee and cream oreos :(`
`04:08.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`probably because its displaying the adds using an embeded IE`
`04:09.35`	`bigzero`	`:-(`
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`04:24.32`	`Orionshock`	`IMHO, no MC/BWL/Ony/Nax attunements, no KZ attunement either`
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`04:27.50`	`CIA-8`	`03bigzero * r57081 10CopyThat/ (CopyThat.lua CopyThat.toc):`
`04:27.50`	`CIA-8`	`CopyThat:`
`04:27.51`	`CIA-8`	`- now checks if the provided argument to /cpyt is really a frame`
`04:27.51`	`CIA-8`	`- typo fix`
`04:28.16`	`bigzero`	`~seen Sylvanaar`
`04:28.18`	`purl`	`sylvanaar <n=sylvanaa@12.179.203.116> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8h 25m 4s ago, saying: '[15:02:24] [8] [70:Sylvaan]: bbb ccc dddd eeee ffff gggg hhhh iiii jjjj'.`
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`04:28.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hah, that's a great last quote.`
`04:30.34`	`CIA-8`	`03linsu * r57082 10MendWatch/MendWatch-Locale.lua:`
`04:30.34`	`CIA-8`	`MendWatch:`
`04:30.34`	`CIA-8`	`- add zhTW translation`
`04:30.46`	`bigzero`	`anyone know an addon that allows you to copy text from the chat? CopyThat just outputs the frame contents, so no chat history. You could scroll up and copy i suppose, but you still can't copy more than 10 or so lines at a time`
`04:31.14`	`Orionshock`	`bigzero: try prat`
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`04:33.15`	`Orionshock`	`is the 'H' key that hard to push to say 'what'`
`04:33.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Orionshock: apparently lots of keys are hard.`
`04:34.04`	`Orionshock`	`i make fun of people`
`04:34.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I insult them.`
`04:34.26`	`Orionshock`	`like this lvl 37 is wispering me asking me "wots a pug"`
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`04:36.11`	`Orionshock`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/PuG`
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`04:47.56`	`bigzero`	`"The system itself has nothing to do with Sweden, however inspiration for the name was drawn from thoughts of The Swedish Chef (Bork! Bork! Bork!), IKEA, Swiss Miss Hot Chocolate (Mmm..), Swedish Meatballs (Mmm..), and Swedish Swimsuit Models (Mmm..)."`
`04:47.58`	`bigzero`	`lol`
`04:48.05`	`bigzero`	`good reason to pick a sweedish name`
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`04:50.40`	`Xuerian`	`Bibi: What o_0`
`04:50.41`	`Xuerian`	`er`
`04:50.45`	`Xuerian`	`bigzero: What o_0`
`04:50.52`	`Bibi`	`What what ?`
`04:50.54`	`Bibi`	`What !`
`04:51.00`	`Bibi`	`Can I be your friend ?`
`04:51.03`	`Xuerian`	`Bibi: Missping, false alert; no one loves you`
`04:51.08`	`Bibi`	`damn it :(`
`04:51.14`	`Xuerian`	`<3`
`04:51.27`	`Xuerian`	`It's ok, no one pings me anymore either. We can make a club.`
`04:51.34`	`Xuerian`	`Well, they do, but they mean Xinhuan.`
`04:52.25`	`khangg`	`any idea how to change the background on Bagnon?`
`04:52.55`	`khangg`	`Nevermindddd`
`04:52.57`	`khangg`	`I found it.`
`04:53.01`	`Xuerian`	`derp.`
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`04:55.25`	`bigzero`	`Xuerian: was reading Prat wiki page`
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`04:55.51`	`Xuerian`	`bigzero: Ah`
`04:56.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"At least it tells us they understand our language, they're just not willing to speak to us in it." "Who knew they were french?"`
`04:58.41`	`Wobwor1`	`The French don't speak English`
`04:58.45`	`Wobwor1`	`They tolerate English =P`
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`05:01.58`	`bigzero`	`Wobwor1: or do they?`
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`05:03.40`	`bigzero`	`what exactly does ChannelSticky module in prat do?`
`05:03.57`	`bigzero`	`i.e. what does it mean for a channel to be sticky?`
`05:04.02`	`khangg`	`addon to view target buffs/debuffs that aren't bars?`
`05:04.07`	`khangg`	`bigzero,`
`05:04.20`	`Xinhuan`	`it means when you press enter to type`
`05:04.27`	`Xinhuan`	`it sticks to that channel as default`
`05:04.38`	`khangg`	`by default when you whisper someone, you press "r" and the channel goes back to the last channel you had before you whispered`
`05:04.38`	`bigzero`	`oh, that makes sense`
`05:04.49`	`khangg`	`but with chanel sticky it'll stay on whisper`
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`05:05.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Antiarc\|Lapto2: there arn't enough of you in the channel`
`05:06.30`	`bigzero`	`so if you make IncommingWhisper sticky it will...make /r sticky?`
`05:06.54`	`Antiarc\|Lapto2`	`NightHawkTheSane: I'm on leeched low-signal wireless in a snowstorm :P`
`05:07.06`	`Antiarc\|Lapto2`	`It's flakier than your mom.`
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`05:07.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hah. nice.`
`05:08.01`	`piotrb`	`question about fubar 3.0 .. I've a mad that uses fubarplugin2.0 as its base .. and it worked fine .. until I turned it off .. now it doesn't appear on the list to add to a bar`
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`05:08.27`	`piotrb`	`now I made that mod in question .. so maybe its something wrong .. so I'm just wondering`
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`05:17.04`	`khangg`	`For ClassTimers, can you set it so they're icons instead of bars?`
`05:22.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`walter koenig is awesome.`
`05:24.23`	`Aeyan`	`khangg, yep.`
`05:24.36`	`Aeyan`	`Check Icon Only in the timer menu`
`05:24.40`	`Aeyan`	`I think that's it, anyway`
`05:26.23`	`Aeyan`	`Still has a timer, though`
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`05:35.40`	`kaiden`	`Anyone know of a mod for hunters that will detect when you've mounted and have a focus target that is your pet, and will reset it when you have dismounted?`
`05:36.05`	`Ellipsis`	`er, why do you need your pet focused?`
`05:36.58`	`kaiden`	`because i have macros that if i have a focus target i will automatically attack my focus's target`
`05:37.05`	`kaiden`	`i use it when i'm farming using just steady shots`
`05:37.17`	`kaiden`	`makes it easier :) rather than trying to visually see what mob my pet has switched to`
`05:37.19`	`Ellipsis`	`why not just replace focus's target with pet's target in those macros`
`05:37.29`	`kaiden`	`because i also use it in instances`
`05:37.44`	`kaiden`	`when i focus the tank for instance`
`05:38.11`	`Ellipsis`	`hm o.O`
`05:38.18`	`Ellipsis`	`you could probably do some fallback stuff`
`05:38.31`	`kaiden`	`i do it simply so that it makes it easier to not break traps / sheeps / etc`
`05:38.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"Yeah, and if I had a baseball bat we could hang you from the ceiling and play piñata." ... "A piñata, huh? So you think of me as something bright and cheerful, full of toys and candy for young children?"`
`05:38.37`	`kaiden`	`it's not used ALL the time, just every once in a while`
`05:38.41`	`Ellipsis`	`make the macros attack focus's target, if no focus then pet's target`
`05:38.51`	`kaiden`	`can you even do that ellipsis?`
`05:39.04`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah`
`05:39.28`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:39.46`	`kaiden`	`wow... didn't know you could put two [target=]'s on the same spellcast`
`05:39.47`	`kaiden`	`:)`
`05:39.53`	`Ellipsis`	`that would work, with the side effect that if your focus isn't targeting anything but your pet is, it'll do the pet's...but yeah`
`05:39.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`they're in separate conditionals`
`05:40.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Ellipsis: yeah, it's not perfect..`
`05:40.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but its pretty damn close.`
`05:40.17`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, you'd probably have to a multi-line macro for true fallback`
`05:40.32`	`kaiden`	`well.. if i had the addon i was talking about it wouldn't matter`
`05:40.42`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, but why would anyone in their right mind write that`
`05:40.44`	`kaiden`	`i just really want focus target rememberance`
`05:40.58`	`kaiden`	`because it's not exactly a "stupid" addon :)`
`05:41.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`can addons programatically clear focus anyway?`
`05:41.04`	`Ellipsis`	`most people don't ever focus their pet because they have pet and pet target UFs...`
`05:41.05`	`kaiden`	`when a hunter mounts up their pets disappear`
`05:41.15`	`Ellipsis`	`kaiden, I play a pet class, remember?`
`05:41.27`	`kaiden`	`Ellipsis, no not really, only thing i remember is that absolute thin line you have`
`05:41.31`	`kaiden`	`that nobody in your mind ever crosses`
`05:41.38`	`kaiden`	`but in the real world :) people do different things hon`
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`05:41.39`	`CIA-8`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:41.39`	`CIA-8`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`05:41.45`	`kaiden`	`like focus their pet`
`05:41.47`	`kaiden`	`for fun good times`
`05:41.49`	`Ellipsis`	`that's it, I'm not going to try and be helpful around you anymore`
`05:42.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Ellipsis: go waste time doing something else, like http://www.wordsplay.net :D`
`05:43.57`	`Hjalte`	`Any destruction warlocks around?`
`05:46.10`	`Ellipsis`	`NightHawkTheSane: will you play with me? :(`
`05:46.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Ellipsis: ...`
`05:46.37`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I play off and on when I get kinda bored.`
`05:47.12`	`Ellipsis`	`'kay`
`05:47.44`	`kaiden`	`Ellipsis, and by true fallback what do you mean in that macro`
`05:47.45`	`kaiden`	`?`
`05:48.22`	`Ellipsis`	`I mean, if you have your tank focused (who's not targeting anything) and your pet's attacking something, the macro won't cause you to attack at all`
`05:48.30`	`Ellipsis`	`which may or may not be what you want`
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`05:48.59`	`Ellipsis`	`basically, to have it check if focus exists rather than focus target`
`05:49.08`	`kaiden`	`that shouldn't ever come into play, i wouldn't think because in instances i keep my pet on passive and he wont be attacking unless i have sic'd him on something`
`05:49.10`	`kaiden`	`i hope ;P`
`05:49.16`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, probably`
`05:49.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`can you even check if your focus exists, without using a target= conditional, though?`
`05:49.32`	`kaiden`	`yup`
`05:49.35`	`kaiden`	`[focus, exists, harm]`
`05:49.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`ah, wasn't aware of that`
`05:50.09`	`kaiden`	`/castsequence [harm, nodead] reset=target/3 Steady Shot, Auto Shot`
`05:50.18`	`kaiden`	`that's currently part of the macro`
`05:50.35`	`kaiden`	`before i had it do a /assist [focus, exists]`
`05:50.52`	`kaiden`	`that way if i had a focus target it would /assist before every attack`
`05:51.34`	`kaiden`	`i wonder if i did a /assist [pettarget, exists] [focus, noexists] or is that not a possibility`
`05:51.40`	`kaiden`	`i really detest how limited they made the system`
`05:51.41`	`kaiden`	`:(`
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`05:51.53`	`Ellipsis`	`NightHawkTheSane: I was thinking it would be a multiline hack involving /stopmacro [focus, exists]`
`05:52.25`	`kaiden`	`praytel, i'm up for trying anything`
`05:53.37`	`kaiden`	`in the longrun the macro would be much better if i had a mod that would just refocus for me when i dismounted`
`05:53.42`	`kaiden`	`when my pet came back into existances`
`05:53.49`	`kaiden`	`simply because it would require no extra steps`
`05:54.19`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah but then you'd have to write one :)`
`05:54.37`	`kaiden`	`see if i use pettarget there are no conditionals to get around it`
`05:54.44`	`kaiden`	`ie if i do it my way, i just .. remove focus`
`05:54.44`	`kaiden`	`:)`
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`05:55.20`	`kaiden`	`meh, shouldn't be too hard`
`05:56.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hmm, /cast [focus,target=focustaraget,exists] [target=pettarget,exists] Spell ought to work the way you want, I think.`
`05:56.50`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`except with focustarget spelled right.`
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`05:59.58`	`kaiden`	`one problem with it, what happens if my pet has no target and i have no focus ;)`
`06:00.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it does nothing.`
`06:00.20`	`sag_ich_nicht`	`good night`
`06:00.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but it'd be trivial to just add a fallback conditoinal for that case.`
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`06:01.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hmm`
`06:01.51`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`actually, now that I poke around more in game.. "Unknown macro option: focus"`
`06:02.10`	`thul`	`hmm`
`06:02.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`so really. There's no good way of knowing whether you have a focus or not, without using a target= option, which you don't want to do in this case.`
`06:02.54`	`Wobwor1`	`nofocus ?`
`06:03.02`	`CIA-8`	`03kunda * r57085 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua: .Babble-Tradeskill-2.2 deDE: Engineering fix`
`06:03.20`	`Wobwor1`	`NightHawkTheSane: Check out how ControlFreak does the macro targetting and focus setting`
`06:04.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Wobwor1: well, tell kaiden. it was his question :P`
`06:04.51`	`thul`	`I'm tired.`
`06:04.54`	`thul`	`very much so`
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`06:05.12`	`Wobwor1`	`Perhaps you should sleep?`
`06:05.16`	`thul`	`I have slept.`
`06:05.18`	`Wobwor1`	`I hear that works for tiredness`
`06:05.18`	`thul`	`4 hours.`
`06:05.20`	`thul`	`now I go to work.`
`06:05.30`	`thul`	`some of us has to keep this society rolling you know :-P`
`06:05.45`	`Wobwor1`	`It's unfortunate`
`06:05.56`	`Wobwor1`	`I'm going home now =P`
`06:06.04`	`kaiden`	`what's ControlFreak for?`
`06:06.09`	`Wobwor1`	`Having done my societal rolling for the day`
`06:06.19`	`Wobwor1`	`kaiden: chain CCing`
`06:06.27`	`Wobwor1`	`it's on Tekkub's googlecode page`
`06:06.50`	`Wobwor1`	`http://code.google.com/p/tekkub-wow/downloads/list`
`06:08.39`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`speaking of work. I don't want to go tomorrow`
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`06:27.14`	`Birdemani`	`so, HUGE taint log tonight. Seems to all come from PRAT and ACE2. Just looking at this, where so I post this outside of the PRAT thread?`
`06:27.15`	`Birdemani`	`http://ace.pastey.net/79110-2v5m`
`06:27.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`is that a taintLog 1 or 2?`
`06:28.03`	`Birdemani`	`1`
`06:28.17`	`Birdemani`	`well, just /console taintlog`
`06:28.19`	`Birdemani`	`nothing else`
`06:28.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah its perty much useless`
`06:28.48`	`Birdemani`	`so what do I need to run then? /console taintlog 2?`
`06:29.03`	`Xinhuan`	`taintlog 2 is useless too unless you know how to read it`
`06:29.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah but still it wont be much help due to what those errors are`
`06:29.20`	`Birdemani`	`well, whats the best thing for me to run to help out the modder`
`06:29.20`	`Xinhuan`	`because the file it generates is about 1 mb per minute`
`06:29.32`	`Xinhuan`	`or 100 mb per hour`
`06:29.53`	`Xinhuan`	`so unless you know how to read it and get rid of all the redundant crap, it won't be useful either`
`06:29.53`	`Birdemani`	`and is it useless for me to post that?`
`06:29.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive seem most all of those errors before`
`06:30.04`	`Xinhuan`	`well suggest a way you can post a 80 mb file then?`
`06:30.19`	`Xinhuan`	`without going to a lot of trouble`
`06:32.55`	`Xinhuan`	`remember Birdemani, taint is OK unless it causes a actionblocked`
`06:33.10`	`Birdemani`	`I do see that thou`
`06:33.16`	`Birdemani`	`just hard to tell whats causing it`
`06:33.32`	`Xinhuan`	`thats cos the taint log doesn't log non-global taints`
`06:33.36`	`Birdemani`	`here is a question, can taint of that amount cause any lag at all?`
`06:33.42`	`Xinhuan`	`no`
`06:34.03`	`Ellipsis`	`maybe if you're logging it and it's printing to the log all the time`
`06:34.06`	`Ellipsis`	`but yeah, no`
`06:34.16`	`Xinhuan`	`if there is a secure frame, with a secure script, and you hook that secure script tainting it`
`06:34.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`i can cause lag though if its generating action blocked messages`
`06:34.21`	`Xinhuan`	`the taint log doesn't log this at all`
`06:34.38`	`Xinhuan`	`since the script isn't in th global variables table`
`06:34.52`	`Xinhuan`	`so taint log is worthless about half the time in tracing taint`
`06:34.54`	`Xinhuan`	`at this point`
`06:35.05`	`Xinhuan`	`since it only records global taints`
`06:35.25`	`Birdemani`	`since taintlog doesnt echo anything, if I do /console taintlog again will it turn it off?`
`06:35.34`	`Xinhuan`	`do /console taintLog 0`
`06:37.04`	`CIA-8`	`03next96 * r57087 10nQuestLog/ (locales/koKR.lua modules/Tooltips/locales/koKR.lua):`
`06:37.04`	`CIA-8`	`nQuestLog:`
`06:37.04`	`CIA-8`	`- Update locale koKR`
`06:37.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`gah, you'd think a guild posting in the guild recruitment forum would at least post a link to their website, or something. ><`
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`06:38.19`	`Xinhuan`	`NightHawkTheSane: drama ;p`
`06:38.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`ah fuck`
`06:38.28`	`RaydenU`	`how hard is Underbog heroic?`
`06:38.41`	`RaydenU`	`also my guild sucks`
`06:38.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`CWS poped up again while running spybot on my dads computer`
`06:38.44`	`Hjalte`	`BanzaiAlert seems to taint extremely in my current setup :\`
`06:38.53`	`Xinhuan`	`hard enough if you're new to it`
`06:38.53`	`Hjalte`	`At least my taint log says so`
`06:38.56`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`UB heroic isn't that hard, for the most part.`
`06:38.57`	`RaydenU`	`woke up shortly after 1am for our KZ raid and only 2 other people are online!`
`06:39.03`	`Xinhuan`	`you also need one banisher/trap and 1 sheep`
`06:39.07`	`RaydenU`	`it's now 1:40 and we still only have 6`
`06:39.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the only really hard thing is the double bog lord pull`
`06:39.09`	`Xinhuan`	`to get thru it, unless you're pro`
`06:39.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`Hjalte: probably the flashing`
`06:39.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Xinhuan: or unless you have a hax pally tank ;)`
`06:39.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`Hjalte: disable the screen flashing and i bet it will go away`
`06:39.31`	`Xinhuan`	`so (hunter and mage) or (warlock and mage)`
`06:39.44`	`Xinhuan`	`you can't heal thru it at blue T3.5 lvl gear NightHawkTheSane`
`06:39.49`	`Xinhuan`	`the cc is necessary`
`06:39.56`	`Hjalte`	`Arrowmaster: It appears in the taint log like 3 times every second...`
`06:40.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`true. but it doesn't really take much above that to be able to heal through it`
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`06:40.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`Hjalte: yeah that tends to happen a lot when something gets tainted thats called by a secure onupdate or onevent`
`06:41.08`	`Hjalte`	`Arrowmaster: Is it bad? - Does it affect my performance?`
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`06:41.09`	`CIA-8`	`AtlasLoot_SetsandPvP:`
`06:41.09`	`CIA-8`	`- Lvl 60 weapons prices fixed`
`06:41.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`shouldnt`
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`06:42.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`bleh, the problem with trying to find a raiding guild is that most of them are more hardcore than i care for. ><`
`06:42.40`	`Hjalte`	`NightHawkTheSane: What are your goals?`
`06:43.09`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Hjalte: to raid something 2-3 nights a week, and have some fun. that's basically it. :P`
`06:43.23`	`Hjalte`	`NightHawkTheSane: That shouldn't be too hard to find :P`
`06:43.53`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well, the other problem is that I would need a raid schedule that started ~8-9pm pst. which is on the late end for us realms`
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`06:44.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`add in the fact that I'm really only kara geared, and it gets complex`
`06:44.17`	`Hjalte`	`NightHawkTheSane: That, on the other hand, sounds difficult.`
`06:44.27`	`Hjalte`	`NightHawkTheSane: What class are you?`
`06:44.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`shaman`
`06:46.25`	`Xinhuan`	`well a raiding guild htat isn't "hardcore" isn't a raidin guild`
`06:46.40`	`Xinhuan`	`you need to put in at least 3-4 nights a week of 3-4 hours each to get anywhere`
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`06:46.57`	`Hjalte`	`you can raid kara and za :)`
`06:47.00`	`RaydenU`	`bah`
`06:47.02`	`RaydenU`	`my stupid guild`
`06:47.07`	`Xinhuan`	`guilds that raid less than that end up progressing nowhere (due to lack of time to go on new bosses) and disband eventually as ppl leave`
`06:47.11`	`RaydenU`	`so we raid at 10pm for maybe 3 hours`
`06:47.24`	`RaydenU`	`and i'm on EST so it's 1am for me, i take a nap and then wake up to raid`
`06:47.32`	`Xinhuan`	`consider ssc/tk`
`06:47.33`	`RaydenU`	`i get on and 2 others are on at 1:30`
`06:47.37`	`Xinhuan`	`ssc has 6 bosses and tk has 4`
`06:47.41`	`Xinhuan`	`that's 10 bosses`
`06:47.45`	`RaydenU`	`so a couple people suggest we change nights`
`06:47.51`	`Xinhuan`	`if you get the first 6 on farm, you still need 1-2 nights to clear that`
`06:47.56`	`RaydenU`	`nope, can't do that. impossible to find another night the 10 of us are available`
`06:48.10`	`Xinhuan`	`if you only raid 3 nights a week, that only gives you 2 hours a week on a new boss`
`06:48.19`	`Xinhuan`	`since you take off the trash clearing time`
`06:48.22`	`Xinhuan`	`on the 3rd night`
`06:48.42`	`Xinhuan`	`there's really no way around it, 1. either recruit more 2. find a diff guild`
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`06:49.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`... are you just rambling, or are you trying to make a point? :P`
`06:49.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`cause you seem to have come to some kind of conclusion that had nothing to do with what i was talking about :P`
`06:49.26`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm bored waiting for ab queues to pop ;p`
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`07:02.13`	`CIA-8`	`03orionshock * r57089 10Automaton/modules/Queue.lua:`
`07:02.13`	`CIA-8`	`Automaton:`
`07:02.13`	`CIA-8`	`-Put Shift Key override back into queue module...`
`07:02.30`	`Orionshock`	`~lart "The Noob that took it out"`
`07:02.30`	`purl`	`blasts "The Noob that took it out" with a huge firehose then strangles "The Noob that took it out" with it`
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`07:05.29`	`Orionshock`	`WOOTZ`
`07:05.37`	`Orionshock`	`they took the 2min CD off of Nogg`
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`07:15.33`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`07:15.40`	`Xinhuan`	`our main tank renamed his char`
`07:15.53`	`Xinhuan`	`from Drcosmicowl to Drcosmic`
`07:15.58`	`Xinhuan`	`so what we did in our raids`
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`07:16.55`	`Xinhuan`	`is`
`07:17.01`	`Xinhuan`	`someone made a lvl 1 called`
`07:17.03`	`RaydenU`	`...`
`07:17.08`	`Xinhuan`	`DrcosmicSowl`
`07:17.10`	`Hjalte`	`damdn, you're slow Xinhuan`
`07:17.14`	`Xinhuan`	`and invited him to the raid`
`07:17.16`	`Hjalte`	`and I can't spell >.<`
`07:17.23`	`Xinhuan`	`everytime we did a /readycheck`
`07:17.34`	`Xinhuan`	`our raid leader has a mod that says X is not ready, etc`
`07:17.37`	`Xinhuan`	`to the raid`
`07:17.50`	`Xinhuan`	`and we would go "Why are you not ready drcosmicowl?"`
`07:18.01`	`Xinhuan`	`can't you click the ready button?`
`07:18.14`	`Xinhuan`	`"i did, i did click it!"`
`07:18.21`	`Xinhuan`	`"but it says you aren't ready noob"`
`07:18.33`	`Xinhuan`	`it took him half an hour to realize its the lvl 1 not clicking ready`
`07:18.42`	`RaydenU`	`lol`
`07:19.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`did you put the lvl1 in group8?`
`07:19.15`	`Orionshock`	`arg..`
`07:19.16`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`07:19.18`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`07:19.27`	`Xinhuan`	`group 8 ftw`
`07:19.42`	`Xinhuan`	`that mod is called readycheckannouncer from wowace`
`07:20.06`	`Zhinjio`	`thats powerful stupid.`
`07:20.31`	`Xinhuan`	`when you rename your char from "A" to "B", blizzard freezes the name "A" for 90 days`
`07:20.34`	`Xinhuan`	`so nobody can steal it`
`07:20.55`	`Xinhuan`	`henc we couldn't just create a "Drcosmicowl", snuck in an extra S there`
`07:21.08`	`Xinhuan`	`"where is your owl?" "i released it, didn't like it"`
`07:21.36`	`Xinhuan`	`"Drcosmicsowl has joined the guild." "I am so lonely, whyyy"`
`07:22.06`	`Xinhuan`	`hehe`
`07:22.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`haha`
`07:25.41`	`Zhinjio`	`Has anyone else done a more elegant version of this to "host" wws logs for their guild? (http://veracity.trippy.org/wws/)`
`07:26.35`	`RaydenU`	`i like the advanced version of WWS and you have to host it on their site for that`
`07:26.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`Bibi: i dont think its a good idea to post those windows registry fixes on mmo-champion`
`07:26.58`	`Zhinjio`	`no desire to host it on their site.`
`07:27.12`	`RaydenU`	`yeah it sucks`
`07:27.13`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm surprised no one has made a 2nd competitive site alternative to WWS`
`07:27.16`	`RaydenU`	`and it only stays for 2 weeks`
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`07:28.19`	`Bibi`	`Arrowmaster : why >?`
`07:28.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`because those effect all network communication not just wow`
`07:28.39`	`RaydenU`	`Desyree must not be very good`
`07:28.52`	`Bibi`	`1 - It might have side effects, like slowing down your download speed or affecting your performance on other softwares. (In my case, it didn't change anything)`
`07:28.56`	`RaydenU`	`he has better gear than i do and is only doing 350dps`
`07:28.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`and will mostlikly cause upto a 50% decrease in file transfer speeds`
`07:29.13`	`RaydenU`	`according to your 12/11/07 KZ run`
`07:29.33`	`Zhinjio`	`Des is no longer in our guild.`
`07:29.36`	`Xinhuan`	`put up the disclaimer`
`07:29.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`Bibi: might want to bold it then and make it very noticable because theres no might, it will decrease speeds for something`
`07:29.55`	`Zhinjio`	`but ... whatever. can't argue too much with a full clear in one night`
`07:30.00`	`Xinhuan`	`also keep in mind, add in that in 2.3.2, this is fixed`
`07:30.07`	`Xinhuan`	`so they will need to undo the changes`
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`07:30.30`	`RaydenU`	`he has almost identical gear to me`
`07:30.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah anybody that doesnt know what theyre doing and changes those will perty much hose their network preformance`
`07:30.43`	`Bibi`	`Xinhuan : Basically, this fix is deactivating the Nagle algorithm to improve your ping. If you don't want to do it you can just wait for the 2.3.2 patch as it's supposed to deactivate it too`
`07:30.48`	`RaydenU`	`only he has +60 spell dmg from enchants`
`07:31.01`	`Bibi`	`everything is in the post`
`07:31.06`	`Xinhuan`	`2.3.2 fix affects one application - registry fix applies to all applications`
`07:31.06`	`Bibi`	`if people are too stupid to read ... well ...`
`07:31.14`	`RaydenU`	`well night guys`
`07:31.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`move the warning to the top then atleast`
`07:31.28`	`Bibi`	`did it`
`07:32.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah that looks a lot better`
`07:32.41`	`Xinhuan`	`2.3.2 is expected this week though?`
`07:32.45`	`Bibi`	`doubt it`
`07:32.51`	`Bibi`	`another build is scheduled for release`
`07:32.53`	`Lukian`	`I'm with Bibi on that one`
`07:33.00`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm`
`07:33.05`	`Bibi`	`it's not like they'll test it today, fix everything, and make it live tomorrow`
`07:33.11`	`Lukian`	`If they release it before xmas and there's issues, they won't be fixed till after xmas..`
`07:33.51`	`Xinhuan`	`well christmas IS on tuesday`
`07:34.02`	`Xinhuan`	`so if they release it on dec25, it won't get fixed anyway`
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`07:36.34`	`Xinhuan`	`i know why wool price went up`
`07:37.00`	`Xinhuan`	`you can gain to 375 skill making [Red Winter Clothes] even though the skill is "gray"`
`07:37.12`	`Xinhuan`	`as tailoring`
`07:37.18`	`Xinhuan`	`a major bug lol`
`07:37.53`	`Xinhuan`	`think this bug is fixed though`
`07:37.55`	`Xinhuan`	`not sure on that`
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`07:44.33`	`Bibi`	`zold Xinhuan`
`07:44.38`	`Bibi`	`was posted on a wonderful news site yesterday`
`07:44.41`	`Bibi`	`don't remember the name`
`07:44.43`	`Lukian`	`Orionshock, about time XD -Put Shift Key override back into queue module..`
`07:44.46`	`Xinhuan`	`:<`
`07:44.54`	`Xinhuan`	`well i made a bit of gold aoeing stockades`
`07:44.56`	`Xinhuan`	`;p`
`07:49.57`	`ramoz`	`Orionshock: wanna fix the externals too?`
`07:50.08`	`Orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:50.14`	`Orionshock`	`what's wrong with em`
`07:50.28`	`Orionshock`	`meh, afk - leave a message`
`07:50.41`	`ramoz`	`12/16 22:29:36.640 Error loading Interface\AddOns\Automaton\Libs\AceConsole-2.0\AceConsole-2.0.lua`
`07:50.48`	`ramoz`	`im running without externals`
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`07:52.09`	`Stan_`	`AceComm-2.0-56239 (Ace2):307: bad argument #1 to 'string_char' (invalid value) <-`
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`07:55.55`	`Xinhuan`	`stan: reported several times`
`07:56.06`	`Xinhuan`	`apparently threat-1.0 is the source`
`07:56.17`	`Xinhuan`	`but nobody has figured out why acecomm errors yet`
`07:56.26`	`Xinhuan`	`due to the input`
`07:56.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`when did this start happening?`
`07:57.16`	`Stan_`	`Xinhuan: hm k..sucks`
`07:57.24`	`Xinhuan`	`before november`
`07:57.36`	`Xinhuan`	`thread on wowace forums about it somewhere`
`07:57.49`	`Stan_`	`Arrowmaster: before the rabbit commits^^`
`07:57.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh`
`07:59.21`	`Xinhuan`	`Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10102.0`
`08:00.38`	`Xinhuan`	`so conclusion: something is wrong with the encodebyte`
`08:00.49`	`Xinhuan`	`in very rare circumstances`
`08:00.59`	`Orionshock`	`ramoz: i run with out externals too, whats wrong with you`
`08:03.39`	`Orionshock`	`btw ramoz that "error" isn't useful and dosn't tell me what's wrong`
`08:03.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`it doesnt use embeds.xml probably`
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`08:04.34`	`Orionshock`	`it dosn't use embeds at all`
`08:08.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`Stan_: might i ask what language your system is in?`
`08:08.52`	`Stan_`	`german`
`08:08.54`	`Stan_`	`why?`
`08:09.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`string.char (��)`
`08:09.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`Receives zero or more integers. Returns a string with length equal to the number of arguments, in which each character has the internal numerical code equal to its corresponding argument.`
`08:09.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`Note that numerical codes are not necessarily portable across platforms.`
`08:09.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`from lua 5.1 manual`
`08:09.33`	`Stan_`	`hm`
`08:10.18`	`Stan_`	`isn't WoW the "platform" in this case?`
`08:10.22`	`Stan_`	`and my WoW is enGB`
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`08:10.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`sec`
`08:11.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`run intl.cpl`
`08:11.09`	`Xinhuan`	`well whatever the case is, acecomm shouldn't be erroring on an input message to be sent ;p`
`08:11.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`under advanced whats the top dropdown set to`
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`08:11.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`because lua isnt unicode`
`08:12.01`	`Stan_`	`urm, don't have advanced`
`08:12.06`	`Stan_`	`using vista`
`08:12.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh`
`08:12.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`nvm`
`08:12.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`i only know where the setting is on xp`
`08:12.18`	`Stan_`	`but everything is set to german/germany`
`08:12.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah meaning your language for non unicode programs is german`
`08:12.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`so your using a german codepage`
`08:12.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`im betting thats the issue`
`08:13.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`acecomm wasnt coded with that 'Note that numerical codes are not necessarily portable across platforms.' in mind`
`08:13.49`	`Stan_`	`you could mass highlight all the ace2 devs in here :p`
`08:14.18`	`Xinhuan`	`well in that thread Arrowmaster`
`08:14.27`	`Xinhuan`	`are you able to confirm all those ppl who reported it`
`08:14.31`	`Xinhuan`	`aren't using enGB?`
`08:14.39`	`Xinhuan`	`cos funkeh could reproduce the issue`
`08:14.54`	`Xinhuan`	`Arrowmaster: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10102.0`
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`08:15.54`	`Xinhuan`	`but could not determine why`
`08:16.09`	`Xinhuan`	`i highly doubt its a locale issue`
`08:16.49`	`Orionshock`	`i've never seen that error from acecom`
`08:17.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`neither have i`
`08:17.04`	`Xinhuan`	`only happens from threat-1.0 in raids Orionshock`
`08:17.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`my entire raid uses threat-1.0`
`08:17.16`	`Xinhuan`	`and very rarely apparently`
`08:17.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`and nobody has ever reported getting it`
`08:17.36`	`Xinhuan`	`maybe some weird symbol`
`08:17.46`	`Xinhuan`	`on someone's pet or something`
`08:17.50`	`Orionshock`	`i do raid Xinhuan`
`08:17.54`	`Xinhuan`	`doesn't get encoded properly?`
`08:18.09`	`Xinhuan`	`encodebyte() is doing lots of math`
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`08:18.35`	`Xinhuan`	`that we don't know if its foolproof`
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`08:22.32`	`Lothaer`	`LF Mod that will play audio sound when Shackle Undead is about to break`
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`08:24.57`	`Lothaer`	`LF Mod that will play audio sound when Shackle Undead is about to break`
`08:25.56`	`Lothaer`	`ROFL hey Orion`
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`08:29.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`lua> t={} for i = 0, 255 do table.insert(t, i) end return string.char(unpack(t))`
`08:29.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`wheres the bot`
`08:29.57`	`Xinhuan`	`clad removed it`
`08:30.02`	`Xinhuan`	`due to abuse`
`08:30.18`	`Orionshock`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:30.19`	`Xinhuan`	`in this channel at least`
`08:30.58`	`haste`	`Arrowmaster: why do you do 0 to 255? 0 will terminate the string anyway, what's there to test?`
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`08:34.44`	`Orionshock`	`ok, im horde and i think AV is IMBA and needs to be changed`
`08:35.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`Stan_: want to test if 't={} for i = 1, 255 do table.insert(t, i) end return string.char(unpack(t))' causes an error?`
`08:35.20`	`Stan_`	`like /script thatThing?`
`08:35.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`should work, although i will create a global variable t`
`08:35.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`but nothing 'should' be using that`
`08:36.13`	`Stan_`	`no error`
`08:36.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`damn`
`08:36.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`probably is a math bug then`
`08:38.24`	`Orionshock`	`256 is invalid, so add in a >255 check`
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`08:39.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah it is a numerical value outside of the range of 0-255`
`08:39.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`check the error messages`
`08:40.27`	`Orionshock`	`hum.. adding in that check then safe erroring out with a debugstack() would help, and prolly already tried..`
`08:41.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`its the very first argument thats outside of the 0-255 range too`
`08:42.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`umm found a problem`
`08:42.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`'local n = select('#', ...)' then a check if n = 0 but no check if n > 255`
`08:43.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`so its to many arguments being passed to the function`
`08:43.30`	`Xinhuan`	`it has a limit?`
`08:43.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`'return num, EncodeBytes_helper(drunk, select(2, ...))'`
`08:43.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`its string.char()ing the return`
`08:44.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`so if num is >255 then error`
`08:44.44`	`Xinhuan`	`local num = (...)`
`08:44.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`and the errors always saying its the first argument to string.char thats invalid`
`08:44.49`	`Xinhuan`	`num is just the first argument`
`08:45.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`doh`
`08:45.14`	`Xinhuan`	`local num = (...) is quivalent to local num = select(1, ...)`
`08:45.18`	`Xinhuan`	`+e`
`08:46.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`Stan_: /print string.byte("%") please, probably another stupid idea though`
`08:47.14`	`Stan_`	`37`
`08:47.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah stupid idea`
`08:47.30`	`Stan_`	`^^`
`08:47.46`	`Stan_`	`btw, threat is erroring for me, too`
`08:47.57`	`Stan_`	`when people have a different language client than me`
`08:48.03`	`Stan_`	`http://ace.pastey.net/78704`
`08:48.07`	`Stan_`	`me enGB they deDE`
`08:48.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`i can solve this`
`08:48.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc\|Lapto4: http://ace.pastey.net/78704`
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`08:50.00`	`Stan_`	`well`
`08:50.08`	`Stan_`	`I linked him that`
`08:50.15`	`Stan_`	`and he said he doesnt know whats wrong`
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`08:54.26`	`Kalroth`	`It's different/outdate versions`
`08:54.35`	`Kalroth`	`outdated*`
`08:55.59`	`Kalroth`	`oh nm, it's two different sources/targets`
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`09:03.14`	`Orionshock`	`"Guys we got visitors, try not to act like nubs" "Sorry" "Ya save that for the ret pally"`
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`09:05.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`how the fuck did i miss this while parsing taint.log for globals`
`09:05.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`AceComm is creating EncodeBytes as a global`
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`09:19.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`Stan_: you still there?`
`09:21.28`	`Stan_`	`yes`
`09:21.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`ingame?`
`09:21.56`	`Stan_`	`yes`
`09:22.00`	`NeoTron`	`GAH!`
`09:22.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`Stan_: /print finish`
`09:22.05`	`NeoTron`	`Illidan at 5%!`
`09:22.21`	`Stan_`	`Arrowmaster: nil`
`09:22.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`figures`
`09:24.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`i doubt anybody but ckk is going to be able to figure out wtf these 'return nil, finish' in acecomm when finish is never defined are suppost to be`
`09:25.39`	`Stan_`	`well I told him`
`09:25.43`	`Fin`	`am I going lala, or did I see something a while ago about Modality being able to work on individual buttons... or something?`
`09:25.47`	`Stan_`	`and he read it`
`09:25.50`	`Stan_`	`but he's kinda afk now`
`09:26.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`holy shit, i didnt realize this wmv im downloading off bittorrent was 2.33gigs`
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`09:26.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`i blame bibi`
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`09:32.37`	`Ellipsis`	`anyone got a moment to sign a guild charter?`
`09:33.00`	`Nargiddley`	`which realm ?`
`09:33.04`	`evl\Blend`	`I think you need to start with some basic info`
`09:33.12`	`Kalroth`	`Do you have a tabard?`
`09:33.12`	`Ellipsis`	`US deathwing, blood elf starting location`
`09:33.26`	`Kalroth`	`Also what is your raiding days?`
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`09:33.48`	`Ellipsis`	`we are gearing up for hogger the next few weeks`
`09:33.58`	`Ellipsis`	`we have a tabard, but we're still working on the TS server :)`
`09:34.12`	`Kalroth`	`Any other guilds killed Hogger yet?`
`09:34.27`	`Ellipsis`	`I heard a couple ally guilds got him down already`
`09:34.35`	`Ellipsis`	`but one of them was using sploits`
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`09:36.27`	`Ellipsis`	`anyone else? I promise much e-seckz`
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`09:49.04`	`CIA-8`	`03scorpion * r57090 10Cryolysis2/ (8 files in 2 dirs):`
`09:49.04`	`CIA-8`	`Cryolysis2:`
`09:49.04`	`CIA-8`	`- fix managem can not conjured in Simplified Chinese`
`09:54.58`	`Shirik`	`(04:48:58) (CIA-8) - fix managem can not conjured in Simplified Chinese`
`09:55.07`	`Shirik`	`my head still hurts from this one ><`
`09:55.42`	Xion`	`still? less then 10mins ago? :o`
`09:56.24`	`Kalroth`	`http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/646/wowscrnshot121707174214bq0.jpg :D`
`09:56.46`	`Xuerian`	`"Fix 'Mana gem cannot be conjured' in Simplified Chinese", what's so hard about that?`
`09:57.03`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`09:57.06`	`Shirik`	`that totally made much more sense`
`09:57.11`	`Shirik`	`I seriously couldn't figure it out`
`09:57.21`	`Xuerian`	`:P`
`09:57.31`	`Xuerian`	`It's late - Normal people get groggy, I get sharp XD`
`09:57.39`	`cladhaire`	`LIES`
`09:57.47`	`Shirik`	`I have been reading technical papers all night`
`09:57.49`	`Xuerian`	`Hush you`
`09:57.52`	`Shirik`	`I'm pretty much worn out :P`
`09:57.59`	`Xuerian`	`:P`
`09:58.07`	`Shirik`	`and now that I've stopped reading them`
`09:58.10`	`Shirik`	`I'm printing them out`
`09:58.15`	`Shirik`	`before I get 3 hours of sleep`
`09:58.18`	`Shirik`	`then go back to doing more`
`09:58.37`	`CIA-8`	`03stupid * r57091 10RS_ClassColors/ (Core.lua Hooks.lua Locale-enUS.lua RS_ClassColors.toc): RS_ClassColors: WoW 2.3 fixes, minor bug fixes`
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`10:11.36`	`Orionshock`	`god AQ40 is a joke now...`
`10:11.55`	`Orionshock`	`so i joined a pug for it' we've zerged each and every boss upto HuHu`
`10:13.30`	`Grum`	`lol`
`10:14.51`	`cladhaire`	`my guild was doing MC yesterda`
`10:14.54`	`cladhaire`	`i don't know why`
`10:14.55`	`cladhaire`	`:P`
`10:15.02`	`[Ammo]`	`x-mas spirit i guess`
`10:15.08`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
`10:15.10`	`[Ammo]`	`there was talk in my guild about doing BWL`
`10:16.14`	`Gngsk`	`haste, ping`
`10:17.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`well it has been a year since most people that did those instances last steped foot in them`
`10:17.57`	`Gngsk`	`yah, my guild organized pugs to naxx and aq40 last week for nostalgia's sake`
`10:18.03`	`Gngsk`	`naxx was fun but aq40 was a pushover`
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`10:26.25`	`vithos`	`does anyone know what this blue/gray "Sample Window" thing is?`
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`10:26.43`	`Shirik`	`it's probably a window that shows you a sample`
`10:29.20`	`vithos`	`https://vith.mine.nu/WoWScrnShot_121707_042653.jpg <- this`
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`10:34.41`	`cladhaire`	`Experienced, Geared SPriest looking for 3v3, 5v5 =(`
`10:34.51`	`cladhaire`	`I got booted from both of mine.`
`10:35.02`	`Orionshock`	`:(`
`10:35.15`	`Orionshock`	`what for?`
`10:35.20`	`ramoz`	`lol why?`
`10:36.51`	`cladhaire`	`timing issues mostly`
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`10:37.00`	`cladhaire`	`i showed up four weeks straight for the 5v5 and no one else did`
`10:37.02`	`cladhaire`	`like it was two of us`
`10:37.06`	`cladhaire`	`when, you need 5 for a 5v5.`
`10:37.21`	`cladhaire`	`I'm also in England, they're all six hours behind me`
`10:37.35`	`evl\Blend`	`what server? :P`
`10:37.41`	`cladhaire`	`us Stormrage`
`10:37.48`	`cladhaire`	`The "leader" got pissed because I could "make time" for 2v2, when I couldn't "show up" for 5v5`
`10:38.02`	`cladhaire`	`so they "found a replacement"`
`10:38.18`	`evl\Blend`	`why the hell are you playing in the US from endland?`
`10:38.20`	`evl\Blend`	`england*`
`10:38.22`	`cladhaire`	`because apparently the other three people showed up 3 hours later and they pvpd`
`10:38.32`	`cladhaire`	`I can't say I want to level to 70 .. from 1.. again.`
`10:38.39`	`cladhaire`	`just to pvp`
`10:38.47`	`evl\Blend`	`meh, it doesn't take much time now`
`10:38.49`	`evl\Blend`	`30% more xp`
`10:38.51`	`evl\Blend`	`outland?`
`10:39.04`	`cladhaire`	`it still takes 2 days of play time`
`10:39.06`	`cladhaire`	`i don't have that`
`10:39.10`	`ramoz`	`liek`
`10:39.15`	`ramoz`	`wowtrade.org`
`10:39.20`	`cladhaire`	`when i have a geared priest already`
`10:39.21`	`evl\Blend`	`ramoz: diaf.`
`10:39.45`	`cladhaire`	`i wouldn't trade my account`
`10:39.46`	`evl\Blend`	`yeah I know, it's just that how do you expect to keep up with US playtimes from england? :P`
`10:39.48`	`cladhaire`	`i'd buy one, possibly`
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`10:39.58`	`cladhaire`	`evl\Blend: Other people never seemed to have an issue`
`10:40.01`	`evl\Blend`	`I'd rather use 2 days of playtime rather than no sleep :D`
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`10:40.17`	`cladhaire`	`what do you mean no sleep`
`10:40.23`	`cladhaire`	`its just pvp, not raiding.`
`10:40.25`	`cladhaire`	`shrug`
`10:40.28`	`cladhaire`	`time commitment isn't that bad`
`10:40.41`	`cladhaire`	`NSFW: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8762/plannedparenthoodvv4.jpg`
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`10:41.53`	`cladhaire`	`I'm open to suggestions tho`
`10:41.58`	`cladhaire`	`I can't afford to pay another subscription`
`10:42.02`	`cladhaire`	`and I can't give up my account`
`10:42.08`	`cladhaire`	`I've spent too much time on it :P`
`10:42.27`	`ramoz`	`cancel it`
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`10:42.49`	`evl\Blend`	`cladhaire: I know the feeling, I'd just trade with someone you can trust tbh`
`10:43.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`they should allow transfers between us and eu, then i could transfer to eu and play at even more fucked up times since i live on the east coast and sleep during the day`
`10:44.07`	`Orionshock`	`lol`
`10:44.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh wait that would be bad`
`10:44.27`	`Orionshock`	`i play on an oceanic server and live in the states`
`10:44.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`since europe evening is when i would be sleeping`
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`10:45.33`	`Orionshock`	`i work 3:45p - 12:15a, and play wow from ~1am-5a, server time it's ~7:00 when i log in..`
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`11:06.47`	`cladhaire`	`my ping times aren't a problem`
`11:06.54`	`cladhaire`	`and actually early tuesday morning is perfect for pvp for me`
`11:07.00`	`cladhaire`	`since its right before the arena roll over`
`11:07.06`	`cladhaire`	`so queue times ROCK :P`
`11:07.29`	`cladhaire`	`i have a 2v2 partner that is in germany, so when he comes on, we're normally okay`
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`11:20.02`	`Orionshock`	`?`
`11:20.11`	`Orionshock`	`Rock(QueueTimes) ?`
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`11:25.53`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`11:25.59`	`cladhaire`	`my queue times are ace3'd imo`
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`11:51.55`	`Orionshock`	`Pug'ed AQ40, and we got to cThune`
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`11:53.08`	`Orionshock`	`who ever put in "Tentacle Rape Party" in to big wigs gets a cookie`
`11:53.24`	`evl\Blend`	`rofl? :D`
`11:53.27`	`evl\Blend`	`when does that come`
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`11:56.13`	`Neebler`	`during c'thun`
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`12:00.53`	`Wobin`	`I need a good fire spec for a newly 50'd mage`
`12:00.56`	`Wobin`	`any suggestions?`
`12:02.46`	`Ellipsis`	`41 points in frost`
`12:02.49`	`Ellipsis`	`=]`
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`12:02.56`	`Wobin`	`I've done that =)`
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`12:03.05`	`Wobin`	`But I've got all this nifty +fire equipment`
`12:03.10`	`Wobin`	`including Eye of flame`
`12:03.11`	`Ellipsis`	`overrated!`
`12:03.37`	`Wobin`	`any fire talents to avoid?`
`12:03.41`	`ramoz`	`why do you wanna go fire?`
`12:03.47`	`Wobin`	`To try it out`
`12:03.58`	`Orionshock`	`05:03:02 Eye of C'Thun's Dark Glare hits you for 53996 Shadow damage.`
`12:04.17`	`Orionshock`	`wtb resist gear`
`12:04.24`	`Gngsk`	`wts brain`
`12:05.16`	`Tinyboom`	`Gngsk: would buy it to keep as a spare if it was working;)`
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`12:13.12`	`evl\Blend`	`gaaaaaaaaaah, why can't there be a "merge weapon buffs and normal buffs" in buffalo`
`12:13.16`	`evl\Blend`	`it's so close to perfect!`
`12:14.12`	`chexsum`	`holas muchachos!`
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`12:18.38`	`Xinhuan`	`woo blackrock crash`
`12:20.29`	`Xinhuan`	`"no instance servers are available"`
`12:20.32`	`Xinhuan`	`gg`
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`12:43.42`	`Wobin`	`Xinhuan: yeah`
`12:43.58`	`Wobin`	`all the arseholes are on AD irritating everyone else =P`
`12:44.06`	`Xinhuan`	`:D`
`12:44.16`	`Xinhuan`	`lol someone in my guild got 3hour banned already`
`12:44.19`	`Xinhuan`	`LOL`
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`12:56.08`	`Fin`	`evl\Blend: yeah! sucks that there is in Buffalo2, which is all complicated and GUIless and stuff`
`12:56.24`	`Fin`	`also that's a messed up nick`
`12:56.29`	`evl\Blend`	`sorry :(`
`12:56.41`	`Fin`	`it's ALL YOUR FAULT`
`12:57.10`	`Fin`	`it's not really`
`12:57.30`	`Fin`	`I blaaaaame... Kalroth`
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`13:03.12`	`Kalroth`	`:(`
`13:03.31`	`Bibi`	`I blame Kalroth too.`
`13:03.45`	`Kalroth`	`I hate all of you!`
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`13:03.55`	`Bibi`	`and all of us ate you`
`13:03.56`	`Adys`	`I hate you too, Kalroth`
`13:03.57`	`Bibi`	`hate.`
`13:03.58`	`Bibi`	`ffs.`
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`13:04.17`	`RaydenUni`	`hi guys`
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`13:04.36`	`RaydenUni`	`can you FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEl the love tonIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIght?`
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`13:05.43`	`kenlyric`	`o.O`
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`13:05.53`	`kenlyric`	`keep your love pointed away from me`
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`13:14.39`	`RaydenUni`	`my feet feel a little wet`
`13:14.53`	`RaydenUni`	`i should get some waterproof boots`
`13:15.30`	Xion`	`or just stay inside and play wow`
`13:15.57`	`RaydenUni`	`class :(`
`13:16.40`	Xion`	`3 hrs left of work and I'm dead tired and freezing :S`
`13:17.42`	`RaydenUni`	`in work?`
`13:18.40`	Xion`	`? :o`
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`13:43.36`	`RaydenUni`	`http://mmogdata.voig.com/`
`13:46.58`	`RaydenUni`	`you guys think the map in AV is unfair or is it just the players?`
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`13:50.58`	`RaydenUni`	`it's quiet`
`13:51.00`	`RaydenUni`	`too quiet`
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`13:51.11`	`sdouble`	`BOAT.`
`13:51.20`	`FinalX`	`How would Alterac Valley be unfair?`
`13:51.30`	`RaydenUni`	`isn't that one of the alliance complaints?`
`13:51.36`	`RaydenUni`	`it's not symmetrical and gives horde an advantage?`
`13:51.42`	`FinalX`	`More like on of the Horde complaints.`
`13:51.46`	`FinalX`	`s/on/one/`
`13:51.55`	`CIA-8`	`03mokhtar * r57092 10GridDynamicLayout/GridDynamicLayout.lua:`
`13:51.55`	`CIA-8`	`GridDynamicLayout:`
`13:51.55`	`CIA-8`	`- Added Statistical analysis option (smoother handling of priests/druids/paladins)`
`13:51.55`	`CIA-8`	`- Added an optional trash group where AFK/Offline/Far away raid members are crammed`
`13:51.55`	`CIA-8`	`- Corrected a bug where layout was not updated with newly joined raid members`
`13:51.55`	`CIA-8`	`- updates of layout are now scheduled every second so you should see a "lag" between change and layout update (maybe prone to bug, please feedback if any)`
`13:51.58`	`RaydenUni`	`doesn't horde win most of AV these days?`
`13:52.04`	`FinalX`	`"The Alliance has the bridge! It's so unfair!"`
`13:52.13`	`RaydenUni`	`although i guess alliance use to win it all the time`
`13:52.22`	`RaydenUni`	`i never did AV before 2.3`
`13:52.27`	`RaydenUni`	`the bridge does suck`
`13:52.30`	`FinalX`	`It's an utter load of crap tbh. And no, Horde doesn't win most.`
`13:52.46`	`RaydenUni`	`then why are all the wow blogs i'm reading discussing it?`
`13:52.47`	`FinalX`	`Bridge doesn't any less or more than the tower at the Horde side.`
`13:52.57`	`FinalX`	`I don't know, maybe you should've played it pre-2.3.`
`13:53.14`	`FinalX`	`I play it on both sides, and have done so since before The Burning Crusade even came out.`
`13:53.19`	`\|Kev\|`	`when horde lose, it's often at the bridge`
`13:53.33`	`\|Kev\|`	`so if horde are going to complain about something, it's liable to be the bridge`
`13:53.33`	`FinalX`	`Dito with Alliance, so who cares.`
`13:53.42`	`\|Kev\|`	`that's not quite the same as the bridge being unfair :)`
`13:53.48`	`FinalX`	`hehe`
`13:53.55`	`FinalX`	`No, not quite :P`
`13:54.20`	`RaydenUni`	`i played one game where horde pushed alliance back to the bridge and we couldn't break in :(`
`13:54.45`	`RaydenUni`	`but isn't the issue now that you could play AV for an hour, the winning team will make loads of honor and the losing team will get nothing?`
`13:56.10`	`FinalX`	`Not at all.`
`13:57.10`	`FinalX`	`You just need to do what AV's all about.`
`13:57.10`	`FinalX`	`Get the Towers and Bunkers.`
`13:57.10`	`FinalX`	`...and destroy them.`
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`14:00.20`	`RaydenUni`	`yeah but if alliance turtles behind the bridge when does the game end?`
`14:00.25`	`RaydenUni`	`when one team runs out of tickets right?`
`14:00.51`	`RaydenUni`	`i don't actually know how AV works :P`
`14:00.53`	`RaydenUni`	`lol`
`14:00.55`	`FinalX`	`Yes. But the Horde does the same.`
`14:01.10`	`FinalX`	`They "turtle" up at Relief Hut @ Frostwolf Keep.`
`14:01.13`	`RaydenUni`	`and you get bonus honor from taking towers and bunkers`
`14:01.14`	`FinalX`	`And at their towers.`
`14:01.22`	`RaydenUni`	`so if you turtle then the game takes forever and you get no honor`
`14:01.36`	`RaydenUni`	`that's the issue right?`
`14:01.38`	`FinalX`	`You get 62 honor per destroyed tower (as alliance) or bunker (as horde).`
`14:01.50`	`FinalX`	`Each destroyed tower/bunker removes 75 reinforcements.`
`14:01.57`	`FinalX`	`You start out with 600 reinforcements.`
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`14:02.51`	`FinalX`	`When you destroy a tower/bunker, you also destroy one of the opposite team's marshals (as horde) or warmasters (as alliance).`
`14:02.57`	`FinalX`	`When you kill the opposite faction's leader (Drek'thar/Vandarr Stormspike), your team wins.`
`14:03.08`	`FinalX`	`When the opposite team runs out of reinforcements, your team wins.`
`14:03.30`	`RaydenUni`	`http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/07/21/wow-moviewatch-under-five-minute-alterac-valley/`
`14:03.32`	`RaydenUni`	`:)`
`14:03.53`	`FinalX`	`Don't have to look at the URL to know an AV can end within 5 minutes.`
`14:04.01`	`RaydenUni`	`what do you get for taking towers/bunkers?`
`14:04.05`	`RaydenUni`	`the ones you can retake`
`14:04.17`	`RaydenUni`	`"am I the only one that misses 12-hour AV's ? . Starting to play a bit in the morning, going to work/class and then coming back to the same AV was kind of neat."`
`14:04.31`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
`14:04.45`	`FinalX`	`RaydenUni: I already told you, if you destroy a tower or bunker, the opposite team loses a warmaster or marshal.`
`14:04.57`	`FinalX`	`So if you don't, the logical consequence is that they're still there.`
`14:04.57`	`RaydenUni`	`and what do those do for you?`
`14:05.09`	`[dRaCo]`	`they defend your boss`
`14:05.12`	`Josh_Borke`	`under 5 minute AVs won't be possible come 2.3.2 will they?`
`14:05.13`	`FinalX`	`They do massive damage. They're there to protect the boss.`
`14:05.24`	`RaydenUni`	`oh so owning more "towers" means a more easily killed boss?`
`14:05.34`	`RaydenUni`	`and so retaking towers adds them back in?`
`14:05.40`	`Josh_Borke`	`you can't retake a tower`
`14:05.42`	`FinalX`	`Point is, if you have a 40-player team with nearly no AFK'ers and everybody pushes to the boss, you can easily kill the warmasters or marshals WITHOUT taking the towers.`
`14:05.43`	`Josh_Borke`	`once destroyed, it's gone`
`14:05.47`	`RaydenUni`	`what are the ones you can retake?`
`14:05.57`	`FinalX`	`There aren't any you can retake.`
`14:06.01`	`Josh_Borke`	`you can retake graveyards and mines`
`14:06.04`	`FinalX`	`But, it takes some time to destroy a tower or bunker.`
`14:06.05`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's it`
`14:06.14`	`RaydenUni`	`i thought there were some sort of control points you could retake`
`14:06.19`	`FinalX`	`So if left undefended, you can "retake" the tower/bunker and keep it from harm.`
`14:06.21`	`Josh_Borke`	`no`
`14:06.33`	`FinalX`	`Only graveyards and mines like Josh_Borke stated..`
`14:06.41`	`RaydenUni`	`and what do those do for you?`
`14:06.45`	`FinalX`	`Mines can refill reinforcements, but those usually go way too slow to be useful.`
`14:07.14`	`FinalX`	`Graveyards just simply give you a place to res.`
`14:07.25`	`FinalX`	`But they're spread out all over the field.`
`14:07.40`	`FinalX`	`So if some idiot takes all graveyards to be Alliance, where would Horde res?`
`14:07.47`	`FinalX`	`Correct. At their keep or cave.`
`14:07.55`	`FinalX`	`And what do people do that res at the Keep?`
`14:07.56`	`FinalX`	`Aye, defend.`
`14:08.12`	`FinalX`	`So then you have 40 people defending and not making any progress and getting a 2-hour battle.`
`14:08.37`	`FinalX`	`So lesson nr 1 about AV: Let the opposite faction always get a graveyard in the middle of the field ;-)`
`14:09.10`	`nevcairiel`	`i loved those 6 hours AVs back in the day before the battlegroups came, and everything died .P`
`14:09.19`	`FinalX`	`hmhm`
`14:09.29`	`Megalon`	`you mean 26 hours? :S`
`14:09.50`	`nevcairiel`	`we never had one that long, at some point there werent enough horde players anymore, adn alliance won`
`14:09.53`	`nevcairiel`	`around 4am or so :P`
`14:10.00`	`FinalX`	`I grinded up my grand marshal set in like a week when they introduced the honor system.`
`14:10.17`	ag`	`they need to remove BGs and give 500% extra honor from world kills =)`
`14:10.34`	`FinalX`	`Due to so many AV's being available, before that you had to wait like 6 hours to get IN to AV, and another 1day+ to get out :p`
`14:10.35`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah world pvp is more fun`
`14:10.54`	`harry`	`I used to love having to wait for Av`
`14:10.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`world pvp is the pits`
`14:11.08`	`harry`	`you could do like 3 AB's while you wait.`
`14:11.24`	`nevcairiel`	`i wish their approach to world pvp in wotlk works better, but i dont think for my server, way too low horde population`
`14:11.51`	ag`	`the world pvp they're talking about smells too much of "lolsand" or halaa`
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`14:12.25`	ag`	`a game within the game isn't going to work`
`14:12.43`	`FinalX`	`halaa is kinda popular on my alli realm`
`14:12.53`	`FinalX`	`nearly got my dark war talbuk :P`
`14:13.13`	ag`	`I'd rather suicide than farm halaa`
`14:14.06`	`FinalX`	`I'm not farming halaa ^^`
`14:14.20`	`FinalX`	`Farming primals in Nagrand and I'm quickly there when Halaa's under attack :p`
`14:14.40`	`FinalX`	`RaydenUni: that url you posted has a video of before july 21st, that's before 2.3 came out :P`
`14:15.05`	ag`	`I'm just saying it's half-assed`
`14:15.09`	ag`	`world pvp could be so much more`
`14:15.22`	`FinalX`	`Not on PvE realms tbh.`
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`14:17.31`	ag`	`PvE servers shouldn't exist either :P`
`14:17.43`	ag`	`Or I mean as it is now, there's no difference`
`14:17.51`	ag`	`PvP servers feels like PvE servers`
`14:18.30`	`Lukian`	`Ordog != Orionshock?`
`14:18.42`	`Lukian`	`there's a bug in the last release of automaton now`
`14:18.50`	`Gagorian`	ag`: I guess it depends though. Plenty of world pvp on mine
`14:18.52`	`Lukian`	`can't join AV without shift override, tries to join as a party`
`14:18.55`	`Gagorian`	`Although I always start it so :D`
`14:19.24`	ag`	`Gagorian, let me guess, outside pve portals? :P`
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`14:19.45`	`Gagorian`	`nono, "OH SORRY I DIDNT SEE YOU DOING THAT SKETTIS ESCORT QUEST"`
`14:20.10`	ag`	`but it's all totally random and useless`
`14:20.16`	ag`	`there's no real player conflict`
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`14:20.33`	ag`	`often horde and alliance will just run around doing emotes to each other even on pvp servers`
`14:20.46`	`Gagorian`	`There has to be rewards worth fighting for if it were to be more organized`
`14:20.52`	`Gagorian`	`Halaa failed due to that`
`14:20.55`	`Gagorian`	`And it being boring`
`14:21.20`	`Gagorian`	`I still did it for a while for the resi gem`
`14:22.13`	`fishbot2`	`hmm, these raid frames which change (red border, glow, etc) when someone has aggro, is it the case that it won't show up unless someone has the mob targeted (and can see the mobs target?)`
`14:23.47`	`Kalroth`	ag`: Well Shattrath didn't help on that either. Now we're all sharing the same city and holding hands in a big happy circle.
`14:25.39`	ag`	`Kalroth, yes, it's stupid, and they're doing it again for wotlk`
`14:26.47`	`cncfanatics`	`tbh`
`14:26.55`	`cncfanatics`	`shattrah shouldn't put pvp off as soon as you enter it`
`14:27.01`	`cncfanatics`	`there would be so much gankage, even with the guards :p`
`14:27.10`	`FinalX`	`http://bash.org/?829456 :o`
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`14:27.45`	`cncfanatics`	`harsh, FinalX`
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`14:29.48`	`Arcaia`	`who here is pretty savvy with DogTags formatting? my question is using DogTags and CowTip -> making it show a rough estimate of how high your skinning needs to be to skin something [enemylvl*5]`
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`14:56.05`	`Industrial`	`~seen vhaarr`
`14:56.08`	`purl`	`vhaarr <n=folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 17h 38m 14s ago, saying: 'the word "filtercheck" doesn't occur in what you linked'.`
`14:56.17`	`Industrial`	`asdffdsdfadf`
`14:56.44`	`Industrial`	`Arcaia: lol you cant do math? o_O`
`14:57.21`	`Industrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:59.44`	`jerio26`	`Hey, is there an easy way to find all add on commands from the add ons i have installed, or some tool to help me see how to use each add on easily?`
`15:00.26`	`jerio26`	`most of the time people dont even include help file for their add ons, hence the question`
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`15:01.21`	`Xinhuan`	`no ;p`
`15:01.25`	`Xinhuan`	`unfortunately`
`15:01.54`	`Xinhuan`	`there is a way, but its far from simple`
`15:02.24`	`jerio26`	`another add on or?`
`15:02.54`	`Xinhuan`	`you can make a loop to go thru all global vars to detect all registered slash commands`
`15:03.06`	`Xinhuan`	`but it would be mixed with the default UIs ones`
`15:03.13`	`Xinhuan`	`like emotes`
`15:03.17`	`jerio26`	`yeah, doesnt sound simple at all`
`15:03.19`	`jerio26`	`:p`
`15:03.32`	`Xinhuan`	`since you'll just end up with 300-400 slash commasnds in a long list`
`15:04.22`	`jerio26`	`i have this add on called "turn in" it auto accepts, picks quests, completes them but i want it to auto pick reward as well, i have the script for geting reward here but you know easy way to just throw it in lua file or something?`
`15:04.37`	`Xinhuan`	`of course, i suppose a possible method of sieving out which slash commands are not default ui would be to check if that slash commad is a tainted var`
`15:05.01`	`Xinhuan`	`but its far from simple`
`15:05.19`	`Xinhuan`	`dunno`
`15:06.50`	`Industrial`	`jerio26: if you don't know how to load the script I can guarantee you it won't work if I tell you how - because you didn't make the script`
`15:07.39`	`Industrial`	`Kirkburn-bf: battlefield... boyfriend...`
`15:07.44`	`Industrial`	`:D?`
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`15:08.03`	`Kirkburn-bf`	`Indy ^`
`15:08.10`	`Industrial`	`;o`
`15:08.15`	`Kirkburn-bf`	`We're sad :P`
`15:08.21`	`Industrial`	`hhaha`
`15:08.24`	`DuTempete-gf`	`but it amuses us.`
`15:08.25`	`jerio26`	`its supposed to be automated so i dont know how my history with the script can interfere that?`
`15:08.26`	`Industrial`	`I LOLD IRL`
`15:08.27`	`Industrial`	`>_>`
`15:08.30`	`Kirkburn-bf`	`That is does`
`15:08.32`	`Kirkburn-bf`	`*it`
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`15:09.36`	`Industrial`	`jerio26: for one because I wrote an addon that autocompletes quests - and the way blizzard made that is really bad, you have to hack it up.`
`15:10.23`	`Industrial`	`jerio26: secondly ill always discourage "put this script in there and it'l work"`
`15:10.32`	`jerio26`	`you dont need to hack a simple script`
`15:10.33`	`jerio26`	`GetQuestReward();`
`15:10.42`	`jerio26`	`is it that notorious?`
`15:10.52`	`Industrial`	`its just not right :P`
`15:11.03`	`jerio26`	`it works without add on than it will work with add on as well`
`15:11.12`	`Industrial`	`http://wow-industrial.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/idQuestAutomation/Addon.lua`
`15:11.32`	`Industrial`	`thats my quest accept/turnin addon`
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`15:11.59`	`Industrial`	`jerio26: by the way how ill you decide what quest reward is besT?`
`15:12.07`	`Industrial`	`based on class/spec?`
`15:12.11`	`Industrial`	`sell value?`
`15:12.29`	`jerio26`	`as i dont need lower valued items, just dont care for them`
`15:12.39`	`jerio26`	`so any reward would be ok`
`15:12.48`	`Gngsk`	`Arcaia, hey I figured out how to do what you want with the skinning thing in DogTag`
`15:12.48`	`Industrial`	`theres always one thats worth most`
`15:12.50`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`15:12.53`	`Industrial`	`eg the plate one`
`15:12.59`	`jerio26`	`true but dont care lol`
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`15:13.12`	`jerio26`	`btw`
`15:13.24`	`jerio26`	`your add on works with it?`
`15:13.32`	`Industrial`	`with what`
`15:13.38`	`jerio26`	`auto picking reward?`
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`15:13.48`	`Industrial`	`i dont know, I haven't seen your code`
`15:13.50`	`Industrial`	`probably not`
`15:15.22`	`Industrial`	`in my addon in QUEST_COMPLETE() just remove the second if block and do GetQuestReward(QuestFrameRewardPanel.itemChoice) and it will just take the first I think`
`15:15.40`	`jerio26`	`sounds nice`
`15:15.52`	`jerio26`	`just how to install this?`
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`15:16.10`	`Industrial`	`svn checkout http://wow-industrial.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/idQuestAutomation/`
`15:16.11`	`jerio26`	`i am kinda not to experienced with lua:)`
`15:16.51`	`Industrial`	`hm I need to update it on wowinterface :P`
`15:17.01`	`Industrial`	`sec`
`15:17.36`	`jerio26`	`idQuestAutomation/ puting this dir in add ons would work?`
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`15:20.28`	`nevcairiel`	`what was that addon that marks the most valuable item on the reward panel?`
`15:21.19`	`jerio26`	`vendorbait`
`15:22.19`	`jerio26`	`even tho i dont care if it thinks sausages from the farm are better than beer as reward`
`15:22.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
`15:22.33`	`jerio26`	`:p`
`15:22.47`	`Industrial`	`you should`
`15:22.50`	`Industrial`	`miss out on alot of money`
`15:22.58`	`Industrial`	`jerio26: http://darkwired.org/~Industrial/idQuestAutomation-1.6-20300.zip`
`15:23.06`	`jerio26`	`got an alt pretty secured so i just wanna run trough all the crap`
`15:23.14`	`jerio26`	`thanks`
`15:23.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'mornin all`
`15:23.43`	`Industrial`	`yes but still its only putting a little more effort into it that will get you much more :P`
`15:23.57`	`Industrial`	`lo Pkekyo\|`
`15:24.19`	`jerio26`	`well tbh it would be best if you can just press a key to stop it or something, with better quests, thats kinda what i really need`
`15:24.38`	`jerio26`	`i hope your zip file has all that, hehe`
`15:24.42`	`Industrial`	`hold shift`
`15:24.57`	`Industrial`	`while interacting with the NPC`
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`15:26.04`	`jerio26`	`ok, dont wanna bother much more, just is there some command to bring up the panel for this?`
`15:26.15`	`Industrial`	`there is no config`
`15:26.19`	`jerio26`	`again slash commands on my head`
`15:26.20`	`Industrial`	`it just works :P`
`15:26.29`	`jerio26`	`lol, good you told me about shift than`
`15:26.49`	`Industrial`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7091`
`15:26.53`	`Industrial`	`http://code.google.com/p/wow-industrial/wiki/idQuestAutomation`
`15:26.54`	`Industrial`	`:P`
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`15:34.49`	`jerio26`	`Hey industrial, i am not sure what exactly should be removed in the addon file, you said something second, care to explain pls?`
`15:36.47`	`jerio26`	`if GetNumQuestChoices() <= 1 then`
`15:36.47`	`jerio26`	`GetQuestReward(QuestFrameRewardPanel.itemChoice)`
`15:36.51`	`jerio26`	`this should be removed?`
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`15:40.24`	`Industrial`	`only the id blah then`
`15:40.25`	`Industrial`	`and end`
`15:40.50`	`Industrial`	`if*`
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`15:43.11`	`jerio26`	`ok let me see if i got it right`
`15:43.12`	`jerio26`	`end`
`15:43.12`	`jerio26`	`local function QUEST_COMPLETE (event)`
`15:43.12`	`jerio26`	`if IsShiftKeyDown() then return end`
`15:43.12`	`jerio26`	`*if GetNumQuestChoices() <= 1 then`
`15:43.12`	`jerio26`	`GetQuestReward(QuestFrameRewardPanel.itemChoice)*`
`15:43.13`	`jerio26`	`end`
`15:43.15`	`jerio26`	`end`
`15:43.33`	`jerio26`	`i marked it with start from first * to last *`
`15:43.41`	`jerio26`	`stars*`
`15:43.47`	`jerio26`	`not start:)`
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`15:44.45`	`cncfanatics`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:44.47`	`cncfanatics`	`and not == ?`
`15:44.56`	`cncfanatics`	`if it zero you don't want to call GetQuestReward`
`15:45.08`	`cncfanatics`	`if its zero*`
`15:45.11`	`CIA-8`	`03ammo * r57094 10/branches/BetterInbox/: Created folder remotely`
`15:46.04`	`jerio26`	`wish i can understand all you said:)`
`15:46.24`	`cncfanatics`	`if GetNumQuestChoices() <= 1 then GetQuestReward(QuestFrameRewardPanel.itemChoice) end`
`15:46.28`	`cncfanatics`	`thats the code you added right ?`
`15:46.38`	`jerio26`	`no`
`15:47.01`	`jerio26`	`that was code inside the addon.lua, i understood if i delete it the add on will auto pick first reward available`
`15:47.27`	`cncfanatics`	`you want the addon to autopickup the first reward without pressing the shift key right ?`
`15:47.27`	`jerio26`	`so i marked with stars(*) what i deleted`
`15:47.38`	`jerio26`	`exactly`
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`15:47.48`	`cncfanatics`	`then remove if IsShiftKeyDown() then return end`
`15:47.55`	`cncfanatics`	`not what u marked`
`15:48.03`	`CIA-8`	`03ammo 07Ace3 * r57096 10BetterInbox/ (BetterInbox.lua BetterInbox.toc):`
`15:48.03`	`CIA-8`	`BetterInbox:`
`15:48.03`	`CIA-8`	`- Basic mail inbox modifier`
`15:48.03`	`CIA-8`	`- Adds a scrollbar instead of paging`
`15:48.03`	`CIA-8`	`- Adds open all options and mail summary`
`15:48.03`	`CIA-8`	`- Doesn't actually work atm`
`15:48.34`	`cncfanatics`	`[Ammo], whats that addon for ? :o (what will it be for when it works)`
`15:48.51`	`nevcairiel`	`read the commit message, it all says there`
`15:48.51`	`[Ammo]`	`the commit message says it all`
`15:49.06`	`jerio26`	`hmm, so that will make it always pick first reward and if i hold shift key it will let me chose?`
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`15:49.49`	`[Ammo]`	`cncfanatics: http://connected.dnd.utwente.nl/~wouter/betterinbox.jpg`
`15:49.58`	`[Ammo]`	`changed to 8 rows of mails though instead of 10`
`15:50.04`	`[Ammo]`	`and it's not functional atm`
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`15:50.27`	`cncfanatics`	`jerio, no, it will always pick first, shift or not`
`15:51.06`	`cncfanatics`	`if you want to pick first except if you hit shift, you should leave it as is, I think`
`15:51.20`	`cncfanatics`	`:unsure:`
`15:51.42`	`jerio26`	`<Industrial> in my addon in QUEST_COMPLETE() just remove the second if block and do GetQuestReward(QuestFrameRewardPanel.itemChoice) and it will just take the first I think`
`15:51.59`	`jerio26`	`i think hes afk, but does it help you any?`
`15:52.05`	`cncfanatics`	`yea it does`
`15:52.10`	`jerio26`	`pls explain:)`
`15:52.10`	`cncfanatics`	`remove if GetNumQuestChoices() <= 1 then`
`15:52.14`	`cncfanatics`	`also remove one of the end's`
`15:53.18`	`jerio26`	`which one of the "end"s`
`15:53.19`	`jerio26`	`?`
`15:53.23`	`cncfanatics`	`doesn't matter`
`15:53.26`	`jerio26`	`lol`
`15:53.28`	`jerio26`	`i am stupid`
`15:53.28`	`cncfanatics`	`one of them`
`15:53.29`	`jerio26`	`ok`
`15:53.34`	`jerio26`	`or just scared of all this`
`15:53.37`	`cncfanatics`	`result is the same anyway`
`15:53.44`	`jerio26`	`ok let me try`
`15:53.45`	`CIA-8`	`03ammo 07Ace3 * r57097 10BetterInbox/BetterInbox.lua: BetterInbox: better open all select display`
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`15:56.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`rofl, a rogue just ate my 6.6k execute :D`
`15:56.52`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`15:57.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`tried to gank me together with another rogue :p`
`15:57.38`	`Industrial`	`< cncfanatics> then remove if IsShiftKeyDown() then return end`
`15:57.38`	`Industrial`	`no`
`15:57.50`	`Industrial`	`that + GetQuestReward(QuestFrameRewardPanel.itemChoice)`
`15:57.53`	`Industrial`	`thats it`
`15:57.57`	`Industrial`	`jerio26: ^`
`15:58.10`	`jerio26`	`ok:)`
`15:58.19`	`jerio26`	`lets try`
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`16:00.35`	`jerio26`	`so after butchering of wordpad this is what i got`
`16:00.35`	`jerio26`	`end`
`16:00.36`	`jerio26`	`local function QUEST_COMPLETE (event)`
`16:00.36`	`jerio26`
`16:00.36`	`jerio26`	`if GetNumQuestChoices() <= 1 then`
`16:00.36`	`jerio26`
`16:00.38`	`jerio26`
`16:00.40`	`jerio26`	`end`
`16:00.44`	`jerio26`	`please tell me it looks good:)`
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`16:02.18`	`cncfanatics`	`that sure doesn't`
`16:02.30`	`cncfanatics`	`you're not doing anything :p`
`16:03.28`	`jerio26`	`hmm`
`16:06.49`	`cncfanatics`	`what you need is`
`16:07.05`	`cncfanatics`	`local function QUEST_COMPLETE (event)`
`16:07.05`	`cncfanatics`	`if IsShiftKeyDown() then return end`
`16:07.05`	`cncfanatics`	`etQuestReward(QuestFrameRewardPanel.itemChoice)`
`16:07.05`	`cncfanatics`	`end`
`16:07.14`	`cncfanatics`	`and add a G there, forgot the G :)`
`16:07.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`lmfao, two rogues just jumped to their death to escape me :p`
`16:08.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`MUCH more fun than ganking them`
`16:09.23`	`cncfanatics`	`no honor though`
`16:10.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`if I want honor I go to AV :p`
`16:10.18`	`cncfanatics`	`depends where the daily Q is tbh`
`16:11.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`my BG group sucks, can't be arsed to do dailies if not in AV`
`16:12.02`	`Josh_Borke`	`i haven't won AV since 2.3 (alliance)`
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`16:12.51`	`cncfanatics`	`good boy`
`16:12.58`	`cncfanatics`	`ally aren't suposed to win anything at all`
`16:13.03`	`cncfanatics`	`just hand over your honor already`
`16:13.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yeah, why are allies retards in AV? :p`
`16:13.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`(I know they're retards in general, but AV is special...)`
`16:13.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`just pissed off half the channel, didn't I? x)`
`16:13.43`	`[Ammo]`	`wow players in general are retards`
`16:13.48`	`Josh_Borke`	`i resent that`
`16:13.53`	`[Ammo]`	`shouldn't say retards`
`16:13.58`	`[Ammo]`	`I should say underaged brats`
`16:14.04`	`cncfanatics`	`tbh, I find that more ally are retarted then horde`
`16:14.10`	`cncfanatics`	`for some reason mature players tend to choose horde`
`16:14.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`agreed (played both)`
`16:14.27`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I blame the 14 year-old "ZOMGLEGOLASSELFS"-syndrome`
`16:15.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`tbh`
`16:16.23`	`dylanm`	`See we have BEs now so`
`16:19.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`LMFAO, killed two mobs at the same time.... 2x [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Crusader] dropped off'em`
`16:20.35`	`cncfanatics`	`lol`
`16:20.43`	`CIA-8`	`03ackis * r57098 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2/Babble-Tradeskill-2.2.lua:`
`16:20.43`	`CIA-8`	`Babble-2.2:`
`16:20.43`	`CIA-8`	`-Tradeskill deDE and frFR update as per e-mail and forum posts`
`16:20.49`	`stavmar_`	`so are we getting Ace 3 for Xmas`
`16:20.54`	`cncfanatics`	`I rather have 2x [Formula: Enchant Weapon - 40 spelldamage] drop twice tbh`
`16:21.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`and some twat had just lectured me, telling me the formula only drops once in a blue moon :p`
`16:22.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wish this was vanilla wow...would be stinkin' rich`
`16:22.40`	`Xinhuan`	`cos`
`16:22.46`	`Xinhuan`	`the drop chance is 1 in 100`
`16:22.48`	`durcyn`	`it's a set chance per mob, they have nothing to do with eachother`
`16:22.53`	`durcyn`	`you just got lucky... twice`
`16:22.58`	`Xinhuan`	`and only 5 spawns of that mob that drops it spawn at any one time`
`16:23.28`	`Wobin`	`You're playing nonvanilla wow? =P`
`16:23.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`dylanmSee we have BEs now so <---- whilst this is true, I believe that most of those people rolled nelfs a loooong time ago`
`16:23.42`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I consider vanilla wow pre-tbc`
`16:23.45`	`nevcairiel`	`the chance that something with a low drop chance drops twice in a row is even lower`
`16:23.53`	`nevcairiel`	`you cant see each mob individually`
`16:23.58`	`nevcairiel`	`go to a statistics class :P`
`16:24.02`	`Wobin`	`Post TBC is more... Neopolitan?`
`16:24.13`	`Wobin`	`Rocky Road?`
`16:24.23`	`durcyn`	`nevcairiel: perhaps you should take your own advice, the first drop has no bearing on the second`
`16:24.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`pistagio (spelling?), I'd say`
`16:24.29`	`durcyn`	`1% is 1%`
`16:24.35`	`Wobin`	`Pistachio`
`16:24.36`	`Wobin`	`Mmmm`
`16:24.59`	`Wobin`	`nevcairiel: two different rolls`
`16:25.07`	`Wobin`	`actually`
`16:25.18`	`Wobin`	`it depends on if the loot table is generated on spawn or on death`
`16:25.31`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah sure two rolls, but its like you roll a dice 6 times, how big is the chance you hit 6 all the time?`
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`16:26.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`nevcairiel: 1/6th divided by 6?`
`16:26.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I always failed at statistics tbh`
`16:26.29`	`Wobin`	`well no, that's not two rolls`
`16:26.36`	`Wobin`	`well it is`
`16:26.41`	`durcyn`	`each dice roll is independent, it's still 16.6~%`
`16:26.51`	`Wobin`	`but it's different from rolling 6 dice once`
`16:27.00`	`woden`	`I have a query about parrot if anyone can assist me`
`16:27.09`	`Wobin`	`anyway`
`16:27.12`	`Wobin`	`bedtime`
`16:27.13`	`nevcairiel`	`sure, the indivudual chance is always the same`
`16:27.28`	`Pkekyo\|`	`six times in a row is the tricky part`
`16:27.43`	`woden`	`Basically on my warrior i used to get an overpower message even whilst in beserker stance`
`16:27.44`	`nevcairiel`	`but its still unlikely to hit the same outcome twice in a row, if its a 1% chance`
`16:27.55`	`Wobin`	`You have a 1% chance to kill a mob that has the recipe`
`16:27.56`	`Megalon`	`to get six time in a row a 6 with a dice? is (1/6)^6`
`16:27.58`	`woden`	`however i noticed today that i do not get it anymore. anyone know what I can do about that?`
`16:28.07`	`durcyn`	`past occurrence does not influence future occorrence`
`16:28.08`	`Wobin`	`Once you've killed it, you still have a one percent chance of killing another mob that ahs the recipe`
`16:28.32`	`durcyn`	`you roll the dice, it doesn't change anything the next time you roll, other than in your head`
`16:28.37`	`Wobin`	`Your chances don't decrease after the first gain`
`16:28.39`	`nevcairiel`	`of course not`
`16:29.04`	`Wobin`	`It's not like Pkekyo\| now has a 0.001 chance of getting another`
`16:29.17`	`Wobin`	`he still has a 1% chance of yet another dropping`
`16:29.40`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wobin: it's 0.7% :p`
`16:29.46`	`Wobin`	`Or whatever`
`16:30.01`	`Industrial`	`is there an addon that shows a summary of +/- stats in comparison what im wearing?`
`16:30.08`	`Industrial`	`um, in tooltips`
`16:30.10`	`nevcairiel`	`nah its still 1% per mob, but if you killed 1000, and never got one, you can consider yourself really unlucky. if you kill 10 and get 2, its really lucky. its all possible, its just very unlikely to get two drops at the same time`
`16:30.18`	`Wobin`	`Industrial: EquipCompare?`
`16:30.20`	`Industrial`	`cept that buster thing`
`16:30.25`	`Wobin`	`hm, yeah ratings buster`
`16:30.36`	`Wobin`	`that doesn't do stats though`
`16:30.39`	`Wobin`	`just ratings`
`16:30.50`	`nevcairiel`	`ratingbuster does stat comparison`
`16:30.55`	`Wobin`	`nevcairiel: indeed, you're lucky or not lucky`
`16:31.01`	`Industrial`	`< Industrial> cept that buster thing`
`16:31.06`	`Wobin`	`but that has no bearing on the chances of a drop =)`
`16:31.17`	`Wobin`	`nevcairiel: It doesn't really.`
`16:31.22`	`Industrial`	`Wobin: doesnt equipcompare just make another frame next to the item tooltip showing the item tooltip of what you are wearing`
`16:31.29`	`Wobin`	`only if the stats have bearings on certain ratings`
`16:31.34`	`Industrial`	`like eqcompate, tekKompare etc`
`16:31.38`	`Wobin`	`Industrial: yeah.`
`16:31.41`	`Wobin`	`Then you learn to read =)`
`16:31.55`	`Industrial`	`yeah well I wanna see -23agi +25crit`
`16:31.56`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`16:32.04`	`Wobin`	`I think there's a addon that colours the stats a certain colour`
`16:32.08`	`Wobin`	`depending on what stat is what`
`16:32.20`	`Wobin`	`Can't recall what it's called though`
`16:32.27`	`Industrial`	`noo i wanna see the difference between the items in stats >_>`
`16:32.31`	`nevcairiel`	`Wobin: the point is, if you kill 1000 mobs, and never hit the 1% once, its a terrible derivation. if you kill 10, and got it twice, its luck in your eyes, but from a statistics standpoint, you shouldnt get any more for quite some time then. it'll always average out on 1% in the end.`
`16:32.54`	`Wobin`	`nevcairiel: If you were the only one in the system`
`16:32.57`	`Wobin`	`Which you're not`
`16:33.11`	`nevcairiel`	`you can assume you are the only one`
`16:33.15`	`durcyn`	`except it's still 1% per.`
`16:33.15`	`Wobin`	`no you can't =)`
`16:33.21`	`nevcairiel`	`since it doesnt matter what others do`
`16:33.22`	`durcyn`	`or 0.7% or whatever.`
`16:33.40`	`nevcairiel`	`i assume that the loot system doesnt know when something dropped`
`16:33.48`	`nevcairiel`	`and always rolls the dice completly independantly`
`16:33.56`	`Wobin`	`I'm not sure, I'm sure there -are- unique items`
`16:34.01`	`Wobin`	`at least one or two`
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`16:34.17`	`Wobin`	`or there will be in wotlk`
`16:34.36`	`Wobin`	`anyway, again`
`16:34.41`	`Wobin`	`I have to get to sleep`
`16:34.44`	`Wobin`	`night all =P`
`16:34.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`g'nite`
`16:35.14`	`Wobin`	`Crusader will still sell well I imagine`
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`16:35.21`	`Wobin`	`since it's such a difficult drop to get`
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`16:36.24`	`Wobin`	`nevcairiel: Also, you're assuming that the random rolls, -are- perfectly random. But I digress =P`
`16:36.27`	`woden`	`any takers on that parrot query I had?`
`16:36.41`	`nevcairiel`	`Wobin: no computer generates perfect randomness :P`
`16:37.09`	`Pkekyo\|`	`<--- afk, dinnertime`
`16:37.11`	`nevcairiel`	`noone knows how the loot system really works`
`16:37.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Wobin: it's 150g on my server`
`16:37.56`	`nevcairiel`	`i was basing my assumptions on a 100-sided-dice and one roll per mob. thats probably not true. but the overall theory still stands.`
`16:39.17`	`Wobin`	`That's my point. Chances are, probably, that Blizzard have hired monkeys with a button that alots the loot depending on the phase of the moon`
`16:39.33`	`Wobin`	`so no statistical analysis will ever be accurate =)`
`16:39.43`	`Fin`	`nevcairiel: http://random.org/`
`16:39.47`	`nevcairiel`	`statistics can always only do "so much" :P`
`16:40.34`	`cncfanatics`	`tbh`
`16:40.36`	`nevcairiel`	`Fin: ya sure you can feed a comp outside information to base real randomness on :) but a pure algorithm cant generate that`
`16:40.42`	`cncfanatics`	`I hope they have hired people to roll 100-sided dice`
`16:40.47`	`cncfanatics`	`but, heck, even that ain't random anyway ?`
`16:40.50`	`Xinhuan`	`function getRandomNumber() return 4; end --Gauranteed to be random, 4 is selected by a random dice roll.`
`16:41.05`	`cncfanatics`	`you can calculate what side it'll fall on depending on the strength it was thrown at and the height`
`16:41.53`	`Wobin`	`http://www.virtualp.us/Dilbert-Oct_25_001.jpg`
`16:41.56`	`nevcairiel`	`no human can ever predict that cncfanatics`
`16:42.02`	`Fin`	`nevcairiel: just saying, a computer doesn't need to generate randomness (bit of an oxymoron really) to be able to use it :) en guarde! now we fight with words!`
`16:42.21`	`cncfanatics`	`nevcairiel, we're talking about computers here right ?`
`16:42.37`	`cncfanatics`	`you could have sensors in the hand, and the computer could predict what side the dice would fall on before it falls`
`16:42.50`	`cncfanatics`	`so, randomness doesn't exist :)`
`16:42.53`	`nevcairiel`	`Fin: blizzard stated in one bluepost that they use a advanced pseudo-random-number generator tho.. :)`
`16:43.07`	`cncfanatics`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:43.08`	`nevcairiel`	`cncfanatics: sure its random, you just figure the result out before it lands.. :P`
`16:43.28`	`nevcairiel`	`you wont know _before_ the monkey moves the dice`
`16:43.28`	`cncfanatics`	`if you can figure a result before it lands, is it random ?`
`16:43.29`	`[Ammo]`	`what they probably do is start their random at a certain offset, and whenever someone needs a random number, add 1 :p`
`16:43.33`	`[Ammo]`	`:)`
`16:43.34`	`Wobin`	`just cause you can predict it, doesn't mean it's not random`
`16:43.38`	`[Ammo]`	`</notserious>`
`16:43.53`	`Wobin`	`Just means it's predictable`
`16:43.56`	`cncfanatics`	`then computer randomness wouldn't be pseudo would it ?`
`16:44.01`	`cncfanatics`	`something predictable is not random :/`
`16:44.06`	`Wobin`	`no`
`16:44.09`	`nevcairiel`	`[Ammo]: with the billions of numbers they need, noone would probably even notice.`
`16:44.13`	`Wobin`	`you're mangling the definition of predictable`
`16:44.19`	`[Ammo]`	`nevcairiel: yeah that's why I suggested it :)`
`16:44.23`	`Wobin`	`or misapplying it`
`16:44.37`	`Fin`	`nevcairiel: I wonder how much he gets paid`
`16:44.42`	`Wobin`	`Just say you have a truly random number generator`
`16:44.51`	`Wobin`	`You generate a list of random numbers and put them in envelopes`
`16:45.00`	`nevcairiel`	`a computer will use a timestamp or something like that, well any measurable data, to generate a random number`
`16:45.01`	`Wobin`	`someone reads them before they get sent out`
`16:45.06`	`Wobin`	`and 'predicts' them`
`16:45.13`	`Wobin`	`It doesn't change the fact that they're random`
`16:45.18`	`cncfanatics`	`nevcairiel, so will a human ? except it can't measure the data it uses ?`
`16:45.24`	`Wobin`	`just that someone 'read' them before they were made 'official'`
`16:45.35`	`nevcairiel`	`humans cant generate randomness`
`16:45.39`	`cncfanatics`	`you are using throwing strength and height of your hand, you can't read them though :p`
`16:45.44`	`nevcairiel`	`tell a group of humans to randomly spread in a room`
`16:45.51`	`nevcairiel`	`there will always be a pattern to it`
`16:46.00`	`Fin`	`random.org is the answer to all this! it offers true random numbers`
`16:46.00`	`cncfanatics`	`there you go, nothing is random :)`
`16:46.02`	`Wobin`	`That's cause we're pattern based beings`
`16:46.11`	`Fin`	`Pattern: Human Being`
`16:46.16`	`Wobin`	`we force ourselves to put things in patterns`
`16:46.17`	`Fin`	`wonder how much it'd go for on the AH`
`16:46.22`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`16:46.25`	`cncfanatics`	`Fin, worthless tbh`
`16:46.42`	`Fin`	`ooh! ooh! someone make a Gibson reference! I liked that book`
`16:46.46`	`Industrial`	`< nevcairiel> there will always be a pattern to it`
`16:46.49`	`Fin`	`cncfanatics: en guarde!`
`16:46.52`	`Industrial`	`there is always a pettern to everything ...`
`16:47.00`	`Industrial`	`if you looka t it like that`
`16:47.01`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`16:47.15`	`Wobin`	`It's more that we will never be able to identify anything as random`
`16:47.22`	`nevcairiel`	`there is no real pattern to athmospheric noises, or seti would've found it =P`
`16:47.30`	`Wobin`	`since we will never actually see the scope wide enough to prove it being random`
`16:47.36`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`16:47.38`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`16:47.49`	`Wobin`	`randomness is a non-proof =P`
`16:48.08`	`Fin`	`did you know, the most random colour is purple?`
`16:48.09`	`Wobin`	`You can't prove something is random, because by doing so you're proving it's not random`
`16:48.13`	`Fin`	`and the most random number is 7, I think`
`16:48.19`	`Fin`	`most random vegetable, carrot`
`16:48.27`	`nevcairiel`	`thats why the pseudo-random generators are good enough for generating loot decisions`
`16:48.30`	`Industrial`	`function math.random(i) return 7 end`
`16:48.32`	`Wobin`	`I've always found the aubergine to be pretty random`
`16:48.37`	`Xinhuan`	`personally, my definitin of random is "anything that can't be predicted with any degree of reliability"`
`16:48.39`	`Fin`	`it's in the top three I tihnk`
`16:48.41`	`Industrial`	`Fin: :D`
`16:48.41`	`Fin`	`h<`
`16:49.02`	`nevcairiel`	`who determined that the carrot is random?`
`16:49.03`	`Xinhuan`	`if i throw a 6-sided dice, and a human cannot reliably predict the outcome, then its random.`
`16:49.06`	`Fin`	`Industrial: it's true!`
`16:49.13`	`Wobin`	`reliably?`
`16:49.24`	`cncfanatics`	`you can reliably predict that Xinhuan`
`16:49.27`	`Xinhuan`	`if i develop a super computer than can analyse this dice and predict the result, then it no longer becomes random`
`16:49.34`	`cncfanatics`	`that already exists`
`16:49.44`	`Xinhuan`	`something is only "random" if it can't be predicted reliably`
`16:49.48`	`Vulcanus`	`I like loot. Loot is good. And SHINY.`
`16:50.02`	`Xinhuan`	`comets flying in the sky used to be random... until someone figured out orbits`
`16:50.04`	`nevcairiel`	`thats why random-algorithms are only called pseudo`
`16:50.13`	`Fin`	`first, you must produce a perfectly symmetrical 6-sided dice, and a machine that is able to throw it in exactly the same fashion every single time, in a vacuum`
`16:50.18`	`Wobin`	`That's the thing, we can never prove randomness`
`16:50.20`	`Xinhuan`	`whether used to be random.. until someone figured out whether patterns`
`16:50.21`	`nevcairiel`	`it generates a random number, that _could_ be predicted if you know all the variables that go into it`
`16:50.24`	`Fin`	`then, we fight!`
`16:50.29`	`Wobin`	`because we don't know the scope it's framed in`
`16:50.53`	`Vulcanus`	`damn I didn't manage to break it up :( XD`
`16:50.59`	`Wobin`	`Fin: You forgot the mutant raptor and giant gorilla`
`16:51.03`	`Xinhuan`	`as long as you can't reliably predict something to any degree of accuracy, you can consider it random`
`16:51.05`	`nevcairiel`	`wob didnt you want to sleep ? :D`
`16:51.11`	`Wobin`	`Yes =(`
`16:51.13`	`Wobin`	`I did =(`
`16:51.34`	`xerawx`	`I'm not sure if Benumbed is around, or even hangs out in this channel.. but it would be cool if DaHud also had a "mana regen" fade setting in addition the the health regen one..`
`16:51.40`	`Industrial`	`take that!`
`16:51.42`	`Industrial`	`aw :<`
`16:51.45`	`Xinhuan`	`so even if a computer uses non-random numbers, because 1 million things on the server needs random dice rolls (every attack, dodge, roll, loot, mob patterns, behavior, etc)`
`16:51.46`	`Vulcanus`	`XD`
`16:51.49`	`Fin`	`Wobin: always with the mutant raptor and the gorilla, the raptor and the gorilla, you're obsessed man!`
`16:51.56`	`nevcairiel`	`and prediciting before the action, not when the dice is already in the air :P`
`16:52.04`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan, wow servers could use last roll + 1`
`16:52.06`	`Vulcanus`	`What is truly random is women. They cannot be reliably predicted in any way, shape or form, and therefore are random.`
`16:52.07`	`Xinhuan`	`you can't predict anything even if the "random number generator" returned numbers in sequence`
`16:52.08`	`cncfanatics`	`noone would ever notice`
`16:52.15`	`Xinhuan`	`yeah,`
`16:52.24`	`Xinhuan`	`hence that's my definition of random`
`16:52.27`	`cncfanatics`	`you can predict it btw, if you sit in front of the server`
`16:52.33`	`nevcairiel`	`you cant`
`16:52.38`	`nevcairiel`	`it happens way to fast`
`16:52.41`	`jerio26`	`lol`
`16:52.45`	`Vulcanus`	`depends on your latency`
`16:52.47`	`jerio26`	`cant believe i figured this out`
`16:53.13`	`Vulcanus`	`4 seconds of latency can happen, and if you had a mobile phone you could ring someone and tell them the loot before it appeared on the client`
`16:53.31`	`jerio26`	`deleted all of it`
`16:53.34`	`Fin`	`actually`
`16:53.41`	`jerio26`	`and just added getquestreward(1)`
`16:53.43`	`Fin`	`I would say 4 seconds of latency doesn't actually happen really`
`16:53.43`	`jerio26`	`worked as charm:)`
`16:53.53`	`Fin`	`it's more a lack of happening, I tihnk`
`16:53.54`	`Fin`	`h<`
`16:54.00`	`Vulcanus`	`lmao`
`16:54.10`	`Vulcanus`	`you know what I mean tho, you hair-splitter you :p`
`16:54.16`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
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`16:54.51`	`Fin`	`I do :)`
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`16:55.30`	`Kivin`	`~seen ckknight`
`16:55.33`	`purl`	`ckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-87-63-57.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4d 7h 47m 15s ago, saying: 'you have no idea how cheap this is'.`
`16:55.38`	`Kivin`	`>_<`
`16:55.52`	`nevcairiel`	`but anyway, blizzard once stated that there is a advanced pseudo-randomness generator, but thats all they say to that.`
`16:56.06`	`Vulcanus`	`Then again the real question is, if we can preduct the loot before the -server- knows it. Which is pretty much impossible for all intents and purposes.`
`16:56.38`	`nevcairiel`	`my guess is, loot is generated in the second you kill the mob.`
`16:56.50`	`nevcairiel`	`that would be some timing action to get the right loot :P`
`16:57.26`	`cncfanatics`	`wld be fun :p`
`16:57.35`	`cncfanatics`	`kill him in 32 sec so illidan drops his legendary !`
`16:57.55`	`nevcairiel`	`even if its only a random = random+1 algorithm`
`16:57.59`	`nevcairiel`	`it'll never work`
`16:58.01`	`Fin`	`what about the server's right to privacy, though? isn't knowing what it will know before it knows it a serious invasion of an its rights as a member of the AI Confederation?`
`16:58.15`	`Fin`	`there could be an uprising! the machines could revolt!`
`16:58.18`	`nevcairiel`	`thousands of players do stuff to increase that randomness`
`16:58.31`	`Vulcanus`	`[conspiracy] but what if the loot is pre-generated before you kill the mob? Think about it, if each mob is given a database ID when it spawns, that ID could be assigned a certain loot combo even before it dies! [/conspiracy]`
`16:58.42`	`cncfanatics`	`I'm guessing (hoping) one of the factors for the random numbers are incoming traffic`
`16:58.49`	`cncfanatics`	`so the actions of every single player wouldmatter for ur dice roll ?`
`16:58.51`	`Fin`	`so, something can random to a greater or lesser degree?`
`16:58.56`	`Kivin`	`Considering i have ace2/rock lib files duplicated dozens of times in my addon embeds, I assume each lib file is interpreted at run-time, but only the first addon actually constructs the framework, and the others mostly skip over the lib code?`
`16:59.03`	`cncfanatics`	`Fin, nothing is random`
`16:59.08`	`cncfanatics`	`some things just approach randomness`
`16:59.13`	`nevcairiel`	`Kivin: right`
`16:59.17`	`Kivin`	`ok`
`16:59.31`	`Fin`	`I was responding to nevcairiel, but, is that a yes, cncfanatics?`
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`16:59.52`	`cncfanatics`	`kind of`
`16:59.57`	`Fin`	`is that a no?`
`16:59.58`	`cncfanatics`	`random is a pseudo term anyway`
`17:00.00`	`cncfanatics`	`nothing is random`
`17:00.01`	`Kivin`	`and if i have a bug in a lib file (LibRockConfig) that I want to hotfix myself until I can figure out how to talk to Ck, would I have to figure out which addon is constructing the rock objects?`
`17:00.14`	`Fin`	`nothing is infinite except infinity`
`17:00.15`	`cncfanatics`	`Kivin, put it as standalone and remove it from everywhere`
`17:00.19`	`Fin`	`but that has to exist, I think`
`17:00.31`	`Kivin`	`alright, suppose that works`
`17:00.40`	`nevcairiel`	`Fin: its either random or not, there is no real degree. but our example random=random+1 algorithm is probably to easy to predict to count as random at all, altho thousands of players keep it randomized in the most cases.`
`17:00.49`	`Kivin`	`would i want to set my WAU to install addons WITHOUT externals after i do that, so it doesn't repopulate those folders?`
`17:00.56`	`cncfanatics`	`Kivin, yes`
`17:01.03`	`cncfanatics`	`and you would want to setup WAU to skip librockconfig`
`17:01.07`	`cncfanatics`	`so its not redownloaded and replac`
`17:01.09`	`cncfanatics`	`replaced*`
`17:01.22`	`cncfanatics`	`or you could have it to disemb everything`
`17:01.28`	`Kivin`	`and i assume the (optional)depts in the tocs will keep everyone happy if the libs are moved to the root \interface directory`
`17:01.29`	`cncfanatics`	`so you only have one copy of every lib in the first place`
`17:01.29`	`Fin`	`and why is random?`
`17:01.34`	`cncfanatics`	`Kivin, yea`
`17:01.47`	`cncfanatics`	`fuck randomness, ok ?`
`17:01.50`	`Kivin`	`alright, thanks`
`17:01.53`	`nevcairiel`	`they should let us choose which loot we get`
`17:01.54`	`nevcairiel`	`imho`
`17:01.55`	`nevcairiel`	`!`
`17:01.59`	`cncfanatics`	`right`
`17:02.03`	`Fin`	`what is the sound of one random clapping?`
`17:02.15`	`Fin`	`if a random falls in a forest with noone to hear it - does it make a sound?`
`17:02.18`	`Ordog`	`Ordog != Orionshock returns true`
`17:02.19`	`Kivin`	`someone want to take a stab at this with me and see if i'm on the right track as to why it's erroring? the error is "attempt to reference format, a nil value"`
`17:02.20`	`Kivin`	`t = newList("%02x%02x%02x%02x"):format(a255, r255, g255, b255)`
`17:02.29`	`Pkekyo\|`	`how can I see who's in a custom channel?`
`17:02.37`	`Fin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:02.48`	`cncfanatics`	`Kivin, newList doesn't return a string, so you can't format it`
`17:02.53`	`Xinhuan`	`newList("%02x%02x%02x%02x") returns a table`
`17:02.54`	`Kivin`	`bingo`
`17:02.55`	`Xinhuan`	`not a string`
`17:03.04`	`Kivin`	`i think ck wanted to write: t = newList("%02x%02x%02x%02x":format(a255, r255, g255, b255))`
`17:03.15`	`Industrial`	`newList() ? -_^`
`17:03.24`	`Xinhuan`	`you still need to put () around the string literal`
`17:03.26`	`Kivin`	`newList is a table recycler`
`17:03.31`	`*** join/#wowace Shirik\|Ecole (n=nospam@conspiracy/developer/Shirik)`
`17:03.31`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v Shirik\|Ecole] by ChanServ`
`17:03.32`	`nevcairiel`	`Industrial: its the crappy universal recycling.. :P`
`17:03.32`	`Kivin`	`err, right`
`17:03.33`	`Xinhuan`	`or you won't get the :format to work`
`17:03.33`	`Fin`	`usedListOnlyOnePreviousOwner()`
`17:03.51`	`Kivin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:03.54`	`Kivin`	`better?`
`17:03.59`	`cncfanatics`	`no`
`17:04.08`	`Industrial`	`gah howmuch would that save you`
`17:04.09`	`cncfanatics`	`t = newList("%02x%02x%02x%02x":format(a255, r255, g255, b255))`
`17:04.18`	`Kivin`	`blink`
`17:04.19`	`Fin`	`$500 if you buy today!`
`17:04.34`	`cncfanatics`	`I guess anyway Kivin`
`17:04.43`	`cncfanatics`	`thats the only way to have it work`
`17:04.43`	`Kivin`	`<Xinhuan> you still need to put () around the string literal`
`17:04.47`	`cncfanatics`	`and the only way that makes sense`
`17:04.50`	`Fin`	`0% finance this does not affect your statutory rights list may vary from that shown`
`17:04.52`	`cncfanatics`	`oh yes, didn't see that`
`17:04.58`	`cncfanatics`	`yours is right Kivin`
`17:05.02`	`Kivin`	`ok, tyvm`
`17:05.04`	`cncfanatics`	`missed a ( so I thought it was wrong`
`17:05.10`	`Industrial`	`t = ('%02x%02x%02x%02x'):format(a255, r255, g255, b255)`
`17:05.14`	`Industrial`	`format returns 1 string`
`17:05.17`	`Industrial`	`eh, right?`
`17:05.23`	`Kivin`	`t = newList(...)`
`17:05.28`	`Industrial`	`why put it in a table`
`17:05.36`	`Kivin`	`gotta have the newList, stuff later in his code expects a table for some reason`
`17:05.43`	`Xinhuan`	`all that does is return a string that is in hex for ARBG`
`17:05.50`	`Xinhuan`	`it is for chat string colors`
`17:05.52`	`Kivin`	`see LibRockConfig-1.0 @ 4852 if you want the exact source`
`17:06.02`	`Industrial`	`not touching any of it`
`17:06.02`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`17:06.15`	`Xinhuan`	`since all text strings color follow the format of \|cAARRGGBB`
`17:06.17`	`cncfanatics`	`Rock is dead :p`
`17:06.22`	`Kivin`	`dead... pff`
`17:06.34`	`Kivin`	`works just fine for me :p`
`17:06.35`	`Industrial`	`cncfanatics: i kinda told you so when you ported fb2 :o`
`17:06.43`	`cncfanatics`	`Industrial ,it owned ace2 back then`
`17:06.44`	`cncfanatics`	`and still does`
`17:06.49`	`cncfanatics`	`but when ace3 is out I'll use it`
`17:06.57`	`Industrial`	`custom > Rock`
`17:06.59`	`Industrial`	`imho`
`17:07.06`	`cncfanatics`	`then custom > ace2 too`
`17:07.09`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`17:07.10`	`Industrial`	`:p`
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`17:07.20`	`Industrial`	`(I haven't used that for like a year and a half either)`
`17:07.29`	`nevcairiel`	`i would be way too lazy to do database handling or so on my own`
`17:07.36`	`cncfanatics`	`same`
`17:07.38`	`cncfanatics`	`profiles are a pain`
`17:07.38`	`Kivin`	`For the exceedingly minimal overhead rock adds, I lub it for all the little things it makes easier on me`
`17:07.47`	`cncfanatics`	`minimal ?`
`17:07.48`	`cncfanatics`	`MINIMAL ?`
`17:07.50`	`cncfanatics`	`excuse me ?`
`17:07.54`	`Kivin`	`I already have Pitbull and cowtip running`
`17:08.02`	`Kivin`	`so it's not like i didn't already have rock`
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`17:08.10`	`Fin`	`what's custom?`
`17:08.13`	`cncfanatics`	`neither ace2 nor rock are minimal imo`
`17:08.14`	`cncfanatics`	`not at all`
`17:08.19`	`Kivin`	`custom is hand writing all the database, profile, etc`
`17:08.23`	`cncfanatics`	`they're huge and add to loading time a lot as they're loaded once per addon`
`17:08.26`	`Fin`	`oh`
`17:08.29`	`nevcairiel`	`i love the ace3 design at that, you can without any trouble only use AceDB-3.0 and skip all the other stuff`
`17:08.31`	`Fin`	`I thought it was a lib name or something`
`17:08.40`	`Industrial`	`http://wow-industrial.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/idLibrary-1.0/`
`17:08.41`	`Industrial`	`this is`
`17:08.45`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`17:08.47`	`cncfanatics`	`nevcairiel, same here`
`17:09.01`	`Kivin`	`I don't know enough about ace in general to trust ace3`
`17:09.02`	`cncfanatics`	`I'll be using AceDB-3.0, AceEvent-3.0 and AceGUI-3.0 prolly`
`17:09.04`	`cncfanatics`	`don't need the other crap`
`17:09.07`	`Xinhuan`	`cos ace2 design sucked`
`17:09.08`	`Kivin`	`I never learned how to use ace2, even`
`17:09.16`	`cncfanatics`	`Kivin, rather similar to rock`
`17:09.18`	`Kivin`	`And it seems so archaeic now that i don't want to start`
`17:09.27`	`cncfanatics`	`so similar to rock`
`17:09.30`	`nevcairiel`	`AceAddon is so slim and gives me module capabilities, i use that too ;)`
`17:09.38`	`cncfanatics`	`oh, I might as well indeed`
`17:09.43`	`cncfanatics`	`as FB is totaly modular I'll need a module manager`
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`17:09.59`	`clad\|away`	`[Ammo]: Ping`
`17:10.07`	`Kivin`	`I'd bash my head against the monitor without rockconfig, frankly. i hated it for about a week, and then realized my life was more complete once i dropped my pride and started working with it`
`17:10.23`	`Stan_`	`who here is able to commit to ace2?`
`17:10.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`fucksake, too hard to get full valor gear nowadays`
`17:10.45`	`Kivin`	`what in the world is valor`
`17:10.48`	`Kivin`	`dungeon 1?`
`17:10.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yup`
`17:10.54`	`Pkekyo\|`	`warrior set`
`17:10.55`	`Kivin`	`ahh, right`
`17:10.58`	`nevcairiel`	`Stan_: what for? i can probably get it forwarded to someone`
`17:11.08`	`Kivin`	`eventually i'm going to get paladin D2 for my elf`
`17:11.14`	`woden`	`anyone can help me with a parrot query please?`
`17:11.25`	`Fisker-`	`hey nevcairiel`
`17:11.27`	`Stan_`	`nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10102.msg165929#msg165929 this weirdness`
`17:11.30`	`Kivin`	`I use parrot but i'm completely incompetant at setting it up`
`17:11.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Kivin: I'm getting full Valor set and Arcanite Reaper :D`
`17:11.51`	`Industrial`	`Kivin: my life is more complete without any rock addons :P`
`17:12.00`	`woden`	`i'm not getting an overpower trigger on my warrior when he's in beserker stance`
`17:12.01`	`Kivin`	`Your loss`
`17:12.06`	`woden`	`while i used to previously`
`17:12.09`	`Industrial`	`i'd rather make it myself without any config so ill never have to look at it again`
`17:12.15`	`Xinhuan`	`i don't think i will ever bother to "port _routes" out of rock, since its written for cartographer that is on rock anyway`
`17:12.15`	`Industrial`	`then spend 5 hours configuring something`
`17:12.19`	`Industrial`	`thats HEEEUGE in comparison`
`17:12.45`	`cncfanatics`	`Xinhuan, you shouldn't :)`
`17:12.54`	`Xinhuan`	`but as it stands, i'm probably one of the few people who have written stuff in both ace2, and rock ;p`
`17:13.57`	`cncfanatics`	`me too ?`
`17:14.16`	`Xinhuan`	`you and me are probably the only ones with rock addons?`
`17:14.20`	`nevcairiel`	`Stan_: where the hell does that finish var come from.. o.O`
`17:14.33`	`Stan_`	`nevcairiel: I don't know`
`17:14.42`	`Paradox_`	`guy who makes Postal here by any chance?`
`17:14.49`	`Xinhuan`	`yes Paradox_?`
`17:14.56`	`Paradox_`	`that's you?`
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`17:15.00`	`Xinhuan`	`yes`
`17:15.02`	`Paradox_`	`oh nice, well`
`17:16.06`	`Paradox_`	`if I have for example 90 AB marks in my bank, and there's 15 in my mailbox, and I take all my mail out, it will stop when I have too many, but the button stays as "in progress", I think it should stop so I can delete some marks from my bag, and then re-click the button to start taking all the mail out again, right now I have to constantly open and close the mailbox window`
`17:16.09`	`Paradox_`	`phew`
`17:16.43`	`Xinhuan`	`uh`
`17:16.44`	`Fin`	`you need BulkMail2`
`17:16.56`	`Xinhuan`	`i can fix that probably`
`17:17.29`	`Xinhuan`	`what is the suggested fix you want?`
`17:17.30`	`clad\|away`	`Anyone here able to get in touch with evl?`
`17:17.49`	`Xinhuan`	`stop opening mail the moment you can't?`
`17:17.57`	`Xinhuan`	`or continue to try to open the rest`
`17:17.58`	`Paradox_`	`when it can't take anymore mail out, reset the button from in progress to begin again or whatever the actual text sayas`
`17:18.08`	`Xinhuan`	`right`
`17:18.12`	`Paradox_`	`also, is it supposed to take the items sometimes and leave the empty mail in the box?`
`17:18.30`	`Xinhuan`	`it only happens with BG mail apparently`
`17:18.33`	`Paradox_`	`ah`
`17:18.57`	`Xinhuan`	`also i didn't actually write postal, i only took over maintenance last month`
`17:19.17`	`Xinhuan`	`so, you are in luck, i have 98 AB tokens in my bank and 21 in my mail`
`17:19.21`	`Xinhuan`	`as of right now`
`17:23.11`	`clad\|away`	`~seen evl\Blend`
`17:23.13`	`purl`	`evl\blend <n=evl@unaffiliated/evl> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4h 26m 44s ago, saying: 'sorry :('.`
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`17:29.33`	`Xinhuan`	`appears the reason is because grennon wrote a postalib that only the _forward module used, but select and openall didn't (lol)`
`17:30.02`	`kadrahil`	`so auctioneer takes 2 minutes to scan now instead of 12 or 13`
`17:30.06`	`kadrahil`	`:O`
`17:30.13`	`Xinhuan`	`kadrahil: not because of auctioneer`
`17:30.24`	`Chompers`	`there's no cooldown on the search button`
`17:30.24`	`kadrahil`	`that's what i thought, i remembered the api functions they added last patch`
`17:30.33`	`Xinhuan`	`blizzard changed the cooldown time between each allowed search from 5 sec to 2 sec`
`17:30.34`	`kadrahil`	`or something`
`17:30.38`	`kadrahil`	`ahhh`
`17:30.40`	`Chompers`	`i don't think that's been implemented`
`17:30.47`	`Xinhuan`	`so you see a reduction in 60% of time needed`
`17:30.50`	`Xinhuan`	`it is`
`17:30.50`	`Paradox_`	`I don't know why I use auctioneer, whenever I sell something on AH I always check current price anyway (which is a lot different than auctioneers average price)`
`17:30.56`	`Chompers`	`or auctioneer still looks like it does it the old way, page by page`
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`17:31.19`	`Xinhuan`	`still does it the old way`
`17:31.20`	`cncfanatics`	`ok, my framerate in AV is silly`
`17:31.25`	`cncfanatics`	`2 fps sucks :/`
`17:31.25`	`Chompers`	`thought so`
`17:31.30`	`Xinhuan`	`but because blizz's internal timer is changed from 5 -> 2`
`17:31.31`	`kergoth`	`the newsearch api is borked, it could take so long to return all the data, itd miss its ping to the server and get you disconnected`
`17:31.32`	`LAG\|Domo`	`what do people use to generally sell their wow account? >.>`
`17:31.35`	`kergoth`	`cause blizz is silly`
`17:31.35`	`Xinhuan`	`you "thought" there is an improvement`
`17:31.39`	`Chompers`	`otherwise it'd be crazy fast`
`17:32.43`	`Fisker-`	`hai`
`17:32.48`	`Fisker-`	`it's a Chompers`
`17:33.07`	`kadrahil`	`freakin retards selling primal water for 14g`
`17:33.12`	`kadrahil`	`bid for 12g`
`17:33.15`	`Chompers`	`fiskerLOLS`
`17:33.23`	`Chompers`	`hai2u`
`17:33.42`	`Chompers`	`any more progress in ssc fisker?`
`17:33.57`	`kergoth`	`i hate it when idiots keep undercutting each other, completely fucking up the market. at least buy out the low competition instead of undercutting further, jackasses. some of us would like to make a little money, not lose it`
`17:34.01`	`kergoth`	`</rant>`
`17:34.13`	`Fisker-`	`nooooooo u Chompers :(`
`17:34.17`	`Chompers`	`:<`
`17:34.21`	`Fisker-`	`and nah`
`17:34.26`	`Fisker-`	`only morogrim on 20%`
`17:34.33`	`Chompers`	`vashj has been sitting untouched for 3 weeks now`
`17:34.34`	`Fisker-`	`but antiarc already said we sucks`
`17:34.57`	`Chompers`	`but antiarc, more liek antitard...rite?`
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`17:35.56`	`Fisker-`	`hoho`
`17:36.06`	`Fisker-`	`well he's somewhat right though`
`17:36.25`	`Fisker-`	`some people are speccing pvp because they have better gear and skills for it`
`17:36.32`	`Chompers`	`...oh my`
`17:36.55`	`Chompers`	`our arms warrior swears by Rend`
`17:37.03`	`Chompers`	`he's beyond help`
`17:37.11`	`Fisker-`	`but i has blood frenzy and mangle`
`17:37.42`	`Chompers`	`i can has raid? :<`
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`17:38.14`	`Fisker-`	`no u`
`17:38.19`	`Fisker-`	`but i can has`
`17:38.32`	`Fisker-`	`I HATE YOU CURSED BANK`
`17:40.18`	`Chompers`	`sexy sexy agony`
`17:40.21`	`Fisker-`	`:O`
`17:40.36`	`Chompers`	`sounds like a line from that power rangers erotica`
`17:40.47`	`Chompers`	`poor poor pink ranger :<`
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`17:44.24`	`Fisker-`	`btw Chompers :(`
`17:44.27`	`Fisker-`	`i'm making a mage`
`17:44.30`	`Fisker-`	`but i don't know why`
`17:44.32`	`Chompers`	`...`
`17:44.37`	`Chompers`	`why not a warlock?`
`17:44.43`	`Chompers`	`everyone loves warlocks`
`17:44.53`	`kadrahil`	`Fisker-: female BE mage`
`17:44.57`	`kergoth`	`i always wanted a mage, but whenever i level one i seem to get bored eventually :(`
`17:45.05`	`DuTempete-gf`	`Because Fisker- doesn't know a good thing when he sees it.`
`17:45.19`	`kadrahil`	`kergoth: that happens to me no matter what class i try to level`
`17:45.22`	`kergoth`	`:(`
`17:45.24`	`kadrahil`	`since i already have a 70`
`17:45.48`	`Fisker-`	`well`
`17:45.53`	`Fisker-`	`warlocks can't make tables :<`
`17:45.55`	`kadrahil`	`it gets to the point where i'd rather go farm primals or honor`
`17:46.01`	`kergoth`	`that happens to me with most, i finally got a second 70 with a hunter, i enjoyed leveling that class, just ez-mode`
`17:46.10`	`Chompers`	`muffin factorie`
`17:46.11`	`kadrahil`	`my first 70 was a hunter :S`
`17:46.15`	`Chompers`	`*factory`
`17:47.01`	`kadrahil`	`i'm about to quit raiding this semester until i graduate, at least ssc and tk 4 hour raids`
`17:47.10`	`DuTempete-gf`	`Fisker- they don't make tables because if you play a gnome, you are a table.`
`17:47.18`	`DuTempete-gf`	`it's a win-win situation.`
`17:47.37`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`17:48.02`	`Adys`	`DuTempete-gf: you're such a smartass`
`17:48.14`	`DuTempete-gf`	`why, thank you Adys :P`
`17:48.20`	`Adys`	`No problems.`
`17:48.23`	`DuTempete-gf`	`Nicest thing you've said to me in a long time.`
`17:48.27`	`kadrahil`	`:(`
`17:48.32`	`Adys`	`np, smartass`
`17:48.42`	`Adys`	`:)`
`17:49.31`	`Adys`	`:)`
`17:51.06`	`kadrahil`	`purl: hug Adys for me`
`17:51.07`	`purl`	`ACTION sneaks up on Adys for me and suddenly hugs Adys for me tightly`
`17:52.42`	`Fin`	`rrrright`
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`17:53.12`	`Josh_Borke`	`kadrahil: farm some up for me`
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`18:07.02`	`kenlyric`	`sometimes, wowinsider just doesn't try: Two Bosses Enter: Ragnaros vs. Ossirian`
`18:08.26`	`clad\|away`	`lol`
`18:08.45`	`Chompers`	`Fisker-: do you know monkeyfluids?`
`18:08.58`	`Mudkipz`	`whoa there`
`18:09.09`	`Mudkipz`	`what kind of sick shit are you into?`
`18:09.18`	`Chompers`	`the german kind`
`18:09.25`	`Chompers`	`they do it well`
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`18:09.38`	`Chompers`	`http://www.monkeyfluids.com/`
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`18:12.41`	`NeoTron`	`I'm so pissed. illidan 5%. a few people not being stupid and we'd won`
`18:12.56`	`NeoTron`	`one change in raid make up and we'd won. one skipped trap used and we'd won`
`18:12.57`	`NeoTron`	`sigh`
`18:13.00`	`Chompers`	`whats 'stupid' to you?`
`18:13.39`	`Paradox_`	`that's weird.. .for some reason I can't hit 'r' to reply to whispers anymore`
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`18:14.22`	`NeoTron`	`Chompers: a shadow priest not dpsign because "he can't get range" for example`
`18:14.29`	`Chompers`	`:O`
`18:14.43`	`NeoTron`	`he did essentially no damage in phase 3-5`
`18:14.53`	`Paradox_`	`is there any way to turn off all the various /Logs/ wow keeps ?`
`18:14.54`	`Chompers`	`i guess retardation carries on into black temple`
`18:14.57`	`NeoTron`	`yep`
`18:15.03`	`Chompers`	`we have healers who forget to heal :D`
`18:15.07`	`NeoTron`	`we had a few other stupid deaths`
`18:15.23`	`NeoTron`	`like people running to group together during phase 4 and getting aoe splashed (while trying to kill demons)`
`18:15.30`	`Chompers`	`doh`
`18:16.01`	`NeoTron`	`two people came within the shadow aoe range while I was tanking phase 4 too`
`18:16.01`	`NeoTron`	`but`
`18:16.07`	`NeoTron`	`we were close, he will die soon`
`18:16.10`	`NeoTron`	`a few small adjustments..`
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`18:16.39`	`Paradox_`	`who's this>`
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`18:17.02`	`Paradox_`	`ah illidan`
`18:17.58`	`NeoTron`	`yeah`
`18:18.08`	`NeoTron`	`I dunno how many attempts ppl do`
`18:18.15`	`NeoTron`	`we had unnecessary wipes in phase 2`
`18:18.26`	`Ozguli`	`NeoTron, spriest having a bug?`
`18:18.52`	`Ozguli`	`I'm often like "omgwtf can't use any of my spells for a random reason"`
`18:18.53`	`NeoTron`	`p2 wipes were mostly tanking. had a few shadow parasite issues`
`18:19.24`	`NeoTron`	`29 attempts so far..`
`18:19.43`	`NeoTron`	`night one (12 attempts) was mostly a wash because we didn't understand phase 2 correctly`
`18:21.08`	`Ozguli`	`well at least you are there...`
`18:21.23`	`Ozguli`	`I can only find some retards who can't kill kara bosses`
`18:21.35`	`Ozguli`	`so I'm atm lvling my priest and waiting for expansion`
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`18:25.59`	`NeoTron`	`neo-norweigan. lawl. nynorsk!`
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`18:26.49`	`ramoz`	`rofl`
`18:26.57`	`Tinyboom`	`lawl`
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`18:30.16`	`Pkekyo\|`	`not funny!`
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`18:44.22`	`alext`	Funkeh`: your not FunkyDude by chance are you?
`18:44.43`	`Xinhuan`	`he is ;p`
`18:44.45`	Funkeh`	`alext, Do you want me to be FunkyDude?`
`18:44.49`	Funkeh`	`Xinhuan, ...`
`18:44.55`	`Xinhuan`	`aww`
`18:44.56`	`alext`	`well I had a question for funkydude, author of FreeMe`
`18:44.57`	`alext`	`;]`
`18:45.08`	Funkeh`	`right`
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`18:45.13`	`Xinhuan`	`did i spoil the fun? hehe`
`18:45.47`	`alext`	`well not really a question I guess but a comment`
`18:45.55`	Funkeh`	`ok`
`18:46.09`	`alext`	`mind if I PM you? this wont take but a moment of your time`
`18:46.32`	Funkeh`	`sure`
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`18:51.28`	`dexlor`	`Is the a axw addon that is a bag meter?`
`18:51.32`	`kadrahil`	`!ar 500`
`18:51.33`	`ThraeBot`	`kadrahil: Arena rating from 500 points is, 2v2: 1734, 3v3: 1674, 5v5: 1626`
`18:51.36`	`dexlor`	`*ace`
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`18:51.44`	`kadrahil`	`!ar 450`
`18:51.45`	`ThraeBot`	`kadrahil: Arena rating from 450 points is, 2v2: 1690, 3v3: 1634, 5v5: 1589`
`18:51.52`	`kadrahil`	`i need like a 1600 5v5`
`18:51.52`	`kadrahil`	`heh`
`18:52.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`fucking IT professionals are useless >.<`
`18:52.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`just found an old bill.... the cooler on my GPU had called it a night...they recomennded me to get the newest driver for it to make it work again >.<`
`18:53.17`	`NivFreak`	`man`
`18:53.25`	`NivFreak`	`we did ok in arenas last night`
`18:53.31`	`NivFreak`	`until we hit a string of warrior/paladin teams =/`
`18:54.05`	`NivFreak`	`and if I see any more rogue/icemage/(druid\|priest) teams in 3vs, I'm gonna cry`
`18:55.19`	`Cheads`	`hmm that thing about faster load times with WMP startet.. really sounds odd... doesn't change anything for me either`
`18:55.41`	`dylanm`	`NivFreak: PMR is just too sexy right now.`
`18:55.53`	`NivFreak`	`my face hurts from it`
`18:56.01`	`NivFreak`	`My 3v team is priest/lock/rogue`
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`18:56.06`	`NivFreak`	`so it's close`
`18:56.20`	`kergoth`	`is priest/lock/rogue a good way to go?`
`18:56.32`	`NivFreak`	`we do alright`
`18:56.45`	`NivFreak`	`our rogue is under geared still`
`18:56.53`	`NivFreak`	`I just got my priest over 400 resil`
`18:57.00`	`NivFreak`	`!c us frostwolf prayforit`
`18:57.02`	`ThraeBot`	`NivFreak: Prayforit, Level 70 Undead Priest (41/20/0). 10231 HP; 9801 Mana; 182 mana regen; 92 mp5; 12 spell crit; 486 +spell dmg; 1302 +heal; 4.90% dodge; 418 resilience; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 835 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yrr338 ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/348lan ][ Updated: Mon Dec 17 13:59:35 2007 EST ]]`
`18:57.21`	`kergoth`	`my rogue is in a priest/lock/rogue team, but he's badly undergeared too, should get some more bgs in`
`18:57.40`	`NivFreak`	`basically we're alright until they figure out our rogue is weak`
`18:57.45`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`18:57.45`	`NivFreak`	`and then they focus him until I'm OOM`
`18:58.07`	`NivFreak`	`I was getting a bit irritated with it last night`
`18:58.12`	`NivFreak`	`but he just needs a few more bits`
`18:58.22`	`NivFreak`	`coming up behind the gear curve is sort of rough`
`19:03.52`	`haste`	`Gngsk: pong`
`19:04.33`	`Xinhuan`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3466339675&sid=1`
`19:04.34`	`Xinhuan`	`lol?`
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`19:06.17`	`Xuerian`	`Xinhuan: The guy should be shot in the face.`
`19:06.26`	`Xinhuan`	`read on...`
`19:06.27`	`Xinhuan`	`lol`
`19:07.01`	`many`	`cumshot?`
`19:07.17`	`Xuerian`	`many: If cum = lead`
`19:07.51`	`evl\Blend`	`Where do I get a non-rock FuBar?`
`19:08.29`	`Josh_Borke`	`in tags`
`19:09.49`	`xerawx`	`i wish there was an option in bt3 to have bars fade when out of combat`
`19:09.56`	`xerawx`	`does bongos do that?`
`19:10.40`	`Xuerian`	`Xinhuan: I read it all already`
`19:10.41`	`Aeyan`	`Nope`
`19:10.44`	`Xuerian`	`Xinhuan: And he should be shot in the face`
`19:11.13`	`Xuerian`	`Xinhuan: Antiarc needs to reply in that thread though`
`19:12.45`	`Aeyan`	`xerawx, you can combine BT3 and http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7528-OnScreen.html though`
`19:12.49`	`Aeyan`	`Doesn't fade, but it can hide`
`19:13.27`	`xerawx`	`that's what i mean really`
`19:13.42`	`xerawx`	`its just called fadeout in bt3`
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`19:13.57`	`xerawx`	`thx i'll try that out`
`19:13.58`	`Aeyan`	`Well, I wasn't sure if you wanted a partial or full fade out =P`
`19:14.01`	`Aeyan`	`Sure`
`19:15.21`	`xerawx`	`instead of just the fadeout checkbox in bt it'd be nice if there was a drop down like show on 'mouse/combat/use/whatever'`
`19:16.18`	`CIA-8`	`03ammo 07Ace3 * r57103 10BetterInbox/BetterInbox.lua: BetterInbox: actually functions as an inbox now. doesn't support open all yet.`
`19:16.25`	`xerawx`	`i guess another checkbox would make more sense but anyway..`
`19:17.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`hmm`
`19:17.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`for BigWigs boss modules`
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`19:18.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`Doomwalker has 'cmd = "Doomwalker"' at the top of the enUS locale`
`19:18.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`but in none of the others`
`19:18.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`is that ok? what does it do? ^^`
`19:18.17`	`[Ammo]`	`correct`
`19:18.23`	`[Ammo]`	`it's for the slashcommand`
`19:18.36`	Funkeh`	`its crappy but meh`
`19:18.50`	`Josh_Borke`	`do you still need 40 people to kill doomwalker?`
`19:18.56`	`Josh_Borke`	`what if you can kill gruul/vr?`
`19:18.57`	Funkeh`	`still?`
`19:19.00`	Funkeh`	`when did you?`
`19:19.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`well, i assume it made it easier`
`19:19.24`	Funkeh`	`half your raid will die on the first quake`
`19:19.29`	Funkeh`	`so essentialy 20 man`
`19:20.14`	`Aeyan`	`Hehe`
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`19:23.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`you only needed 40 when you were badly equipped`
`19:23.14`	`xerawx`	`lol @ warlock getting outdamaged by the prot pally with shadowpriest present`
`19:23.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`so, [Ammo] it's only needed if I want the xyXY locale to have a slashcmd?`
`19:23.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`(and I would localize it, too)`
`19:24.03`	`[Ammo]`	`you should not localize it`
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`19:24.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`k`
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`19:24.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`but that's inconsitent, flash'n'shake e.g. is localized, too ^^`
`19:25.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`anyway, now I know what it's about. now to get the deDE triggers etc... they seem to be missing in quite some modules`
`19:26.14`	`Xinhuan`	`you only need 25 ppl to kill doomwalker`
`19:26.21`	`Xinhuan`	`more is good but not necessary`
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`19:26.31`	`Ozguli`	`ain't that the big thing at black temple..?`
`19:26.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`i'm bored with gruul/vr so i thought doomwalker might be fun`
`19:26.39`	`NivFreak`	`Xinhuan: 25 people in what gear?`
`19:26.50`	`Xinhuan`	`gruul level gear`
`19:26.54`	`Xinhuan`	`you need 3 tanks basically`
`19:26.55`	`Ozguli`	`hit my rogue for 14k after I parried the 1st attack`
`19:27.07`	`Josh_Borke`	`Ozguli: yes`
`19:27.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`you're not supposed to have aggro, lol`
`19:27.10`	`Xinhuan`	`at 20% he enrages, you will need 3 tanks`
`19:27.17`	`NivFreak`	`2 will die`
`19:27.23`	`NivFreak`	`pray for the 3rd?`
`19:27.25`	`Ozguli`	`I'm not supposed to fly near it...`
`19:27.25`	`Xinhuan`	`2 of them will die, yes ;p`
`19:27.28`	`Josh_Borke`	`we have a pretty well geared druid`
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`19:27.38`	`Xinhuan`	`also he has an aggro wipe everytime he casts quake`
`19:27.52`	`Xinhuan`	`so if you pull aggro, you die`
`19:27.55`	`NivFreak`	`so what's the bar`
`19:27.57`	`NivFreak`	`DPS?`
`19:28.01`	`NivFreak`	`geared tanks?`
`19:28.04`	`NivFreak`	`execution?`
`19:28.05`	`kadrahil`	`what's an addon that lets people send you tells with !gem to get a list of your JC cuts?`
`19:28.08`	`genetik-`	`execution`
`19:28.09`	`Josh_Borke`	`execution`
`19:28.12`	`Xinhuan`	`geared tanks, and spreading out`
`19:28.16`	`Xinhuan`	`+ execution`
`19:28.22`	`Xinhuan`	`boss casts chain lightning`
`19:28.29`	`Xinhuan`	`so you spread out to have it not bounce`
`19:28.30`	`Ozguli`	`kadrahil craftlist2`
`19:28.47`	`kadrahil`	`thanks`
`19:30.12`	`genetik-`	`NivFreak: also, everyone in the raid has to have a minimum health pool`
`19:30.46`	`alext`	`8k right`
`19:30.50`	`alext`	`somewhere around there i think`
`19:30.53`	`genetik-`	`yeah, something like that`
`19:30.57`	`genetik-`	`more the better`
`19:30.57`	`alext`	`at least 8k`
`19:30.57`	`genetik-`	`heh`
`19:30.59`	`alext`	`yah`
`19:31.20`	`genetik-`	`we've only done him once. one-shotted him on our first attempt.`
`19:31.21`	`genetik-`	`heh`
`19:33.45`	`Fisker-`	`doomwalker and dlk is pretty pointless imo`
`19:33.52`	`Fisker-`	`they drop crap gear even for a tier 4 level imo`
`19:34.23`	`kebinusan`	`actually some of the pieces arent that crappy, anger spark gloves are on par with tier6 overall if you are ok with them having no poitns spent on stats`
`19:34.25`	`Varazir[NA]`	`anyone know if there is a way to do quest without gaining exp ?`
`19:34.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`Varazir[NA]: be level 70?`
`19:34.39`	`Varazir[NA]`	`no`
`19:34.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`that's the way`
`19:34.45`	`Varazir[NA]`	`I'm 39`
`19:35.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`[Ammo]: dunno if you made the Proximity module, but it keeps failing to show up sometimes - any idea what's up with that?`
`19:36.42`	`Varazir[NA]`	`I lik eto stay in the BG`
`19:38.03`	`Fisker-`	`btw`
`19:38.09`	`Fisker-`	`why no banish timar for magtheridon?`
`19:40.28`	`Xinhuan`	`there is one?`
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`19:48.43`	Funkeh`	`why the hell does eating something knock you out of stealth yet you can eat in stealth >.<`
`19:49.31`	`kenlyric`	`startrek.com is shutting down.`
`19:49.34`	`kenlyric`	`it's the end of the internet.`
`19:50.23`	`NightHawkTheSane`	Funkeh`: that annoyed me to no end
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`19:52.09`	`Ozguli`	`hmm... does ag_uf show if party members etc are in range?`
`19:52.23`	`Lukian`	`there's an module for it`
`19:52.35`	`Ozguli`	`oh, k..`
`19:52.36`	`Lukian`	`agUF_rangecheck & rangecheckm`
`19:52.39`	`Lukian`	`take your pick`
`19:52.53`	`Ozguli`	`any difference between those two?`
`19:53.06`	`Lukian`	`just the way they work :)`
`19:53.15`	`Ozguli`	`ok..`
`19:53.44`	`Ozguli`	`need to get used of stuff before I'm lvl 70 on my priest`
`19:54.18`	`kenlyric`	`you party members show up in grid and it has a range filter :)`
`19:54.24`	`kenlyric`	`grid grid grid!`
`19:54.30`	`kenlyric`	`priest is 4 grid. Grid is 4 priest`
`19:54.34`	`Ozguli`	`eek...`
`19:54.43`	`Ozguli`	`is it actually that cool?`
`19:55.20`	`Xuerian`	`Yes. Grid is actually that cool.`
`19:55.23`	`Xuerian`	`Bask in it.`
`19:55.42`	`Thorgard`	`Grid is what dreams are made out of.`
`19:55.47`	`Lukian`	`indeed`
`19:55.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`at the end of the rainbow, there's a pot of grid.`
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`19:56.27`	`Aeyan`	`The cake is a grid`
`19:56.39`	`Lightfaz`	`Is there a reason Postal doesnt play nicely with AltClickToAddItem?`
`19:56.52`	`Xinhuan`	`Lightfaz hmm?`
`19:57.01`	`Lukian`	`Lightfaz, bulkmail has a slight issue there too`
`19:57.07`	`Pkekyo\|`	`"Oh my god, I've been using sobriety as a crutch... I need help!"`
`19:57.07`	`Xinhuan`	`elaborate?`
`19:57.09`	`Lightfaz`	`With postal loaded up, even with the alt-click feature disabled, altclicktoadditem doesnt work`
`19:57.18`	`Lightfaz`	`in that if you alt click an item, it doesnt get put in the mail`
`19:57.24`	`Lightfaz`	`but with postal disabled, it works fine`
`19:57.35`	`Xinhuan`	`that is because altclicktoadditem is programmed to ignore mail if either postal or bulkmail is loaded`
`19:57.38`	`Lukian`	`In the case of bulkmail, Xinhuan, if you have a player targeted, it'll add like two items to the mailqueue, then start trading them to the player :)`
`19:57.46`	`Lightfaz`	`any way to disable that?`
`19:57.51`	`Xinhuan`	`no`
`19:57.56`	`Xinhuan`	`not without editing the code`
`19:58.03`	`Lightfaz`	`i like being able to add a bunch of items to one mail, instead of postal mailing each one off individually`
`19:58.09`	`Lightfaz`	`well then i guess i have to open up the .lua`
`19:58.15`	`Xinhuan`	`because both bulkmail and postal has code internally to add alt-click stuff`
`19:58.24`	`Xinhuan`	`so altclicktoadditem intentionally ignores this`
`19:58.33`	`Lightfaz`	`but I dont like the way that it sends each item as soon as it adds it`
`19:58.38`	`Lightfaz`	`I like being able to mail 15 items at once`
`19:58.42`	`Xinhuan`	`then RIGHT-CLICK instead`
`19:58.45`	`Xinhuan`	`of alt-click`
`19:59.03`	`Lightfaz`	`alt+right click?`
`19:59.13`	`Xinhuan`	`no, just plain right click`
`19:59.15`	`Lightfaz`	`right click just equips it doesnt it?`
`19:59.24`	`Xinhuan`	`if you want to send 15 items, right click the first 14, alt-click the 15th to send it`
`19:59.28`	`Xinhuan`	`no.`
`19:59.30`	`Xinhuan`	`go try it`
`19:59.54`	`Xuerian`	`lern2read patch notes`
`20:00.00`	`Xinhuan`	`right click in the default ui now moves the item to the trade window/mail attachments and also remove`
`20:00.05`	`CIA-8`	`03ckknight * r57104 10Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: .AceComm-2.0 - remove a few globals, possibly fix a bug or two, but unlikely.`
`20:00.13`	`Lightfaz`	`k`
`20:00.18`	`Xinhuan`	`alt-click-to-add-item is a redundant mod now, apart for the alt-click to AH box ability`
`20:00.31`	`Xinhuan`	`which the default ui did not add`
`20:00.37`	`Lightfaz`	`hey cool, thanks!`
`20:00.39`	`Xinhuan`	`to right click`
`20:00.53`	`Xinhuan`	`you can still keep altclicktoadditem around`
`20:00.59`	`Xinhuan`	`to alt-click anitem to trade someone`
`20:01.05`	`Xinhuan`	`with him targetted that is`
`20:01.14`	`Xinhuan`	`or alt-click send the last item`
`20:02.00`	`Lightfaz`	`good to know`
`20:02.02`	`Lightfaz`	`thanks!`
`20:02.17`	`Kalman\|`	`So, is there a simple way to empty a table in Lua that I'm missing, or do I have to use one of the iterator methods?`
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`20:02.25`	`Xinhuan`	`iterator`
`20:03.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`iterator? i hardly know her.`
`20:07.37`	`Xinhuan`	`don't you hate people who don't read patch notes ~_~`
`20:09.04`	`Ozguli`	`patch notes ftw!`
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`20:09.55`	`Gnarfoz`	`are boss yells /chatlog or /combatlog`
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`20:11.21`	`Xinhuan`	`neither i belive`
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`20:11.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`huh oO`
`20:12.23`	`xerawx`	`Aeyan: thanks for telling me about OnScreen, now if only it supported Buffalo i'd be in minimalist UI heaven ;D`
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`20:12.38`	`Aeyan`	`Hehe`
`20:12.39`	`xerawx`	`hmm maybe it supports some other buff display..`
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`20:13.29`	`Aeyan`	`Don't think it does`
`20:14.14`	`Aeyan`	`You could SBF though`
`20:14.19`	`Aeyan`	`It has visibility options`
`20:15.30`	`Ozguli`	`xerawx what does onscreen do?`
`20:15.58`	`Gngsk`	`Ozguli, hides frames depending on combat status`
`20:16.12`	`Ozguli`	`hmm... could use that`
`20:16.22`	`kergoth`	`sbf is nice, especially the new betas`
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`20:16.43`	`Ozguli`	`sbf?`
`20:16.59`	`Gngsk`	`gonna take a shot in the dark and say simple buff frame?`
`20:17.56`	`Gngsk`	`oh, I was wrong`
`20:17.57`	`Gngsk`	`satrina`
`20:19.04`	`xerawx`	`i'll check that out, not crazy about buffalo tbh, but it works`
`20:19.37`	`xerawx`	`except it seems to think mind vision is a debuff and sticks me in it for the full duration, at least last time i tried`
`20:19.58`	`xerawx`	`been meaning to report that..`
`20:20.24`	`Ozguli`	`using elk buffs myself`
`20:28.23`	`Aeyan`	`I used the bar style buffs for a while, but eventually I figured out that I just prefer a big icon and a timer`
`20:28.38`	`Aeyan`	`Still use classtimer though`
`20:28.39`	`Aeyan`	`Handy`
`20:29.01`	`Ozguli`	`classtimer shows my own somethings?`
`20:29.25`	`Primer`	`ckknight: Is pitbull "done", or are you still accepting feature requests?`
`20:29.48`	`Aeyan`	`Short ones`
`20:29.55`	`ckknight`	`I'll hear the request, if I think it is valid, I'll add it. I added a huge hack to talents the other day`
`20:30.02`	`Aeyan`	`Like, duration of that frost nova on you or length of berserker rage`
`20:30.03`	`Aeyan`	`etc`
`20:30.17`	`Ozguli`	`oh, thought about something useful`
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`20:30.29`	`Ozguli`	`necb wins`
`20:30.32`	`Primer`	`ckknight: Detection (or manual toggle) of 10/25/40 man raids, and custom settings for each?`
`20:30.45`	`ckknight`	`that's painful`
`20:30.50`	`Primer`	`I figured`
`20:30.54`	`Aeyan`	`NECB does too much for me`
`20:30.57`	`ckknight`	`thought about doing it`
`20:31.03`	`Primer`	`but thought perhaps you'd see it as a challenge :)`
`20:31.04`	`ckknight`	`but I have other priorities, sorry`
`20:31.06`	`Aeyan`	`And doesn't fit my style, hehe`
`20:31.11`	`ckknight`	`I already have challenges`
`20:31.16`	`ckknight`	`currently trying to figure out git`
`20:31.26`	`Ozguli`	`I actually can use all the info that necb shows...`
`20:31.30`	`Primer`	`heh, I'll stick with SVN for now`
`20:32.12`	`ckknight`	`after listening to Torvalds speak about git, I'm convinced that SVN is a bad idea for the projects I work on`
`20:32.22`	`ckknight`	`cause he stated exactly the issues I've run into in the past`
`20:32.36`	`ckknight`	`for both a company I worked for, a project I worked on a while ago, and wowace stuff`
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`20:32.55`	`NivFreak`	`I just finally got used to SVN`
`20:32.58`	`Primer`	`we switched from CVS to SVN here at work a while back, it was relatively painless`
`20:33.08`	`NivFreak`	`with the few strange transitions from CVS`
`20:33.13`	`NivFreak`	`I don't want to try git yet`
`20:33.14`	`Primer`	`but then, we just have C/PHP/Perl/Java`
`20:33.14`	`NivFreak`	`;)`
`20:33.17`	`ckknight`	`Primer: because they're essentially the same`
`20:33.22`	`ckknight`	`git is very different`
`20:33.40`	`ckknight`	`Torvalds' speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8`
`20:33.45`	`ckknight`	`I really recommend checking it out`
`20:33.49`	`Primer`	`will do`
`20:34.07`	`NivFreak`	`our conversion from CVS to SVN was rather painful`
`20:34.19`	`NivFreak`	`We have a largish repository`
`20:34.51`	`NivFreak`	`the initial conversion tooks 3 weeks`
`20:35.10`	`NivFreak`	`on an 8 core xeon server with 16G of ram`
`20:35.32`	`EvilJohn-`	`git looks interesting, but the problem with SCM is the only way to tell how they works is to really get married to them`
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`20:36.03`	`NivFreak`	`the only part of SVN that is still a pita for us is branch merges`
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`20:36.22`	`ckknight`	`NivFreak: Torvalds talks about that`
`20:37.21`	`NivFreak`	`I've toyed with the idea of moving to perforce`
`20:37.26`	`NivFreak`	`a bit spendy though ;)`
`20:37.30`	`ckknight`	`he also talks about Perforce`
`20:37.37`	`NivFreak`	`yep`
`20:37.43`	`ckknight`	`just watch the damn talk :-P`
`20:37.54`	`NivFreak`	`I will`
`20:38.00`	`NivFreak`	`I've been linked it before`
`20:38.07`	`ckknight`	`ah`
`20:38.23`	`ckknight`	`oh, also, I got the peepcode git screencast`
`20:38.28`	`ckknight`	`if anybody wants it, I can send it to em`
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`20:43.23`	`[dRaCo]`	`~seen elkano`
`20:43.25`	`purl`	`elkano <n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 6h 9m 1s ago, saying: 'well, sometimes I think its coder doesn't have that much of a clue what he's doing...'.`
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`20:52.33`	`Xuerian`	`http://aceaddons.curse.com/ o_0`
`20:52.44`	`Matrix110`	`old�`
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`20:55.15`	`cncfanatics`	`OMG`
`20:55.21`	`cncfanatics`	`I just enjoyed a pvp game`
`20:55.32`	`Chompers`	`this linus guy reallys hates svn`
`20:55.38`	`Chompers`	`i wonder why :S`
`20:56.26`	`durcyn`	`because it's putting a fresh coat of paint on a burning house`
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`21:02.13`	`_rane`	`why does curse have an index of ace addons?`
`21:03.28`	`Xinhuan`	`curse's administrator is wowace's adminstrator`
`21:03.32`	`Xinhuan`	`same person`
`21:04.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`zomgconspiracy⁄`
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`21:16.50`	`Gnarfoz`	`what to do to not die to kazzak?`
`21:17.06`	`[dRaCo]`	`more hp!`
`21:17.15`	`[dRaCo]`	`sounds like trolling, but isnt`
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`21:17.42`	`capullo`	`dps`
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`21:18.02`	`capullo`	`groupheal like the hell`
`21:18.07`	`Kalroth`	`kill him before first enrage :P`
`21:18.08`	`durcyn`	`Gnarfoz: outrange it`
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`21:18.43`	`durcyn`	`leave paladins in healing tank with divine shield while the rest of the raid runs away, totally cheeses it`
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`21:19.22`	`capullo`	`kazzak was the mana-burn-bomb-boss? :P`
`21:19.37`	`[dRaCo]`	`that guy over thrallmar ;)`
`21:19.56`	`capullo`	`the 20second fight`
`21:20.21`	`bigzero`	`Xinhuan, Kaelten is curse's admin?`
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`21:23.15`	`dylanm`	`bigzero: He works there. I don't think he's the grand high poobah though.`
`21:28.59`	`kaiden`	`where's mine?`
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`21:33.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`durcyn: hm how far? oO`
`21:34.08`	`thul`	`http://www.break.com/index/indian-guy-has-panic-attack-on-plane.html`
`21:39.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`thul: any idea what acids that guy was on?`
`21:39.32`	`thul`	`haha`
`21:39.33`	`thul`	`no..`
`21:39.37`	`thul`	`had to be something bad:P`
`21:39.55`	`Pkekyo\|`	`indeed...I want some :p`
`21:40.10`	`Fisker-`	`btw lulz haste`
`21:40.15`	`Fisker-`	`party van @ did it for the lulz`
`21:40.18`	`Pkekyo\|`	`slip it in my little brother's drink on christmas eve`
`21:40.28`	`haste`	`:D`
`21:41.40`	`Fisker-`	`http://beta.glexia.com/suspended.page/ :P`
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`21:43.24`	`haste`	`I've seen that one :p`
`21:43.35`	`haste`	`it was at 4chan.org before the site came up`
`21:44.22`	`Xinhuan`	`[12/18 05:22:26] <bigzero> Xinhuan, Kaelten is curse's admin?`
`21:44.26`	`Xinhuan`	`not exactly, but he's one of the staff there`
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`22:00.38`	`EvilJohn-`	`okay, I just watched the Torvalds git video`
`22:00.52`	`clad\|away`	`where's that?`
`22:01.19`	`EvilJohn-`	`<ckknight> Torvalds' speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8`
`22:01.40`	`clad\|away`	`ty`
`22:01.45`	`ckknight`	`it's a damn good speech`
`22:01.50`	`EvilJohn-`	`yeah`
`22:01.52`	`clad\|away`	`his normally are`
`22:01.54`	`clad\|away`	`unlike rms`
`22:01.56`	`clad\|away`	`:P`
`22:01.59`	`clad\|away`	`very well thought out.`
`22:02.00`	`ckknight`	`rms is a wacko`
`22:02.06`	`NivFreak`	`yes`
`22:02.08`	`EvilJohn-`	`clearcase does some of what he describes, but it's such a terrible tool to use`
`22:02.09`	`ckknight`	`also, has anyone noticed that Torvalds has lost weight?`
`22:02.20`	`NivFreak`	`less vodka I'd assume`
`22:02.22`	`EvilJohn-`	`heh`
`22:02.24`	`ckknight`	`and Al Gore, at the same time, has gained weight`
`22:02.27`	`ckknight`	`I sense a conspiracy`
`22:02.44`	`EvilJohn-`	`at least a quantum entanglement`
`22:02.54`	`ckknight`	`btw, if anybody wants peepcode's git screencast, I can send it to them if they want`
`22:03.01`	`ckknight`	`very informative`
`22:03.04`	`EvilJohn-`	`I have to say though, the idea of distributed source control sounds really interesting`
`22:03.14`	`ckknight`	`yes, my next project will use git`
`22:03.20`	`ckknight`	`to test it out more than anything`
`22:03.28`	`EvilJohn-`	`he did gloss over how these branches are shared, and how the patches are moderated`
`22:03.31`	`lhunath`	`if only I had the patience to dig through the massive docs.`
`22:03.53`	`ckknight`	`lhunath: which is the point of the peepcode screencast which I've been hocking`
`22:04.06`	`lhunath`	`lets have a look.`
`22:04.14`	`ckknight`	`hrm, I could throw it up on a server somewhere`
`22:04.16`	`ckknight`	`it's 50 MiB`
`22:04.21`	`EvilJohn-`	`I'm going tot ry it out a bit, I like to have local souce control for my projects, but setting up a lcoal svn or cvs repository is such a hassle`
`22:04.29`	`EvilJohn-`	`and retarded`
`22:04.35`	`ckknight`	`EvilJohn-: setting up a git repository:`
`22:04.39`	`ckknight`	`mkdir myproject`
`22:04.40`	`ckknight`	`cd myproject`
`22:04.42`	`ckknight`	`git init`
`22:04.42`	`lhunath`	`I've been playing around with it but GIT's just too extensive to learn without the docs.`
`22:04.45`	`ckknight`	`okay, done`
`22:04.47`	`lhunath`	`unlike svn and cvs.`
`22:04.51`	`clad\|away`	`Evhow is setting up a local svn repo difficult?`
`22:04.59`	`clad\|away`	`sorry, that was to EvilJohn`
`22:04.59`	`EvilJohn-`	`I read the git doc for svn users`
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`22:05.11`	`ckknight`	`EvilJohn-: that was complex for me`
`22:05.22`	`ckknight`	`okay, does anybody want to host a 50 MiB file for me?`
`22:05.34`	`ckknight`	`pwease?`
`22:05.37`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: if you get it to me, yeah`
`22:05.39`	`cladhaire`	`i'll put it up on files`
`22:05.42`	`lhunath`	`it's a whole leap through to understand the concept of distributed scm if you're used to centralized ones like svn or cvs.`
`22:05.43`	`cladhaire`	`files.gammatester.com`
`22:05.45`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`22:05.53`	`lhunath`	`most people just don't get it.`
`22:06.05`	`EvilJohn-`	`I did an big offshore project awhile ago`
`22:06.05`	`lhunath`	`s/through/though/`
`22:06.09`	`EvilJohn-`	`using StarTeam`
`22:06.24`	`NivFreak`	`I'm wondering how different it really is versus SVN+SVK`
`22:06.25`	`EvilJohn-`	`centralized server scm failed, epically`
`22:06.58`	`lhunath`	`ckknight: I can host it on my server; won't need to deal with annoying free hosting sites - not that I know gammatester.com.`
`22:07.03`	`EvilJohn-`	`ckknight: Do you dev on linux, or did you try the windows port`
`22:07.11`	`ckknight`	`Mac`
`22:07.19`	`EvilJohn-`	`kk`
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`22:08.24`	`ckknight`	`lhunath: what's your email address?`
`22:08.44`	`lhunath`	`lhunath@gmail.com`
`22:09.02`	`lhunath`	`but if you want to send the file; I'd rather you scp it over to the server directly.`
`22:09.21`	`ckknight`	`that works`
`22:09.47`	`lhunath`	`scp it to mini@lyndir.com; I'll /query you the password`
`22:10.58`	`ckknight`	`okay then`
`22:12.06`	`ckknight`	`my biggest complaint thus far is the lack of a mature windows port`
`22:12.10`	`ckknight`	`they're working on it, though`
`22:12.15`	`ckknight`	`so at least there's that`
`22:12.23`	`EvilJohn-`	`http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/downloads/list`
`22:12.25`	`EvilJohn-`	`seems to be it`
`22:12.32`	`EvilJohn-`	`not al ot of traffic there`
`22:12.48`	`lhunath`	`nothing wrong with cygwin + git (cli)`
`22:12.49`	`ckknight`	`there's like 3 projects trying to do it`
`22:13.00`	`ckknight`	`cygwin+git, MSysGit, WinGit`
`22:13.10`	`ckknight`	`I think`
`22:13.22`	`ckknight`	`and someone's working on a TortoiseCVS clone`
`22:13.45`	`EvilJohn-`	`I do love tortoise, but not sure how wellt hat model fits`
`22:13.47`	`Wobwor1`	`TortoiseCVS?`
`22:13.57`	`ckknight`	`it came before TortoiseSVN`
`22:14.03`	`ckknight`	`TortoiseSVN was modeled after TortoiseCVS`
`22:14.14`	`ckknight`	`EvilJohn-: it can fit well enough`
`22:14.16`	`EvilJohn-`	`yeah, they basically workt he same`
`22:14.16`	`Wobwor1`	`Wasn't that TurtleCVS or something?`
`22:14.24`	`ckknight`	`no`
`22:14.47`	`ckknight`	`http://www.tortoisecvs.org/`
`22:14.52`	`Wobwor1`	`Hm, I vaguely recall some animal change for change's sake`
`22:14.57`	`Wobwor1`	`must be something else`
`22:15.20`	`EvilJohn-`	`I can just run it out of cygwin, not a big deal`
`22:15.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah im trying to install git on windows right now before i noticed this conversation going on and i gota say i have no clue wtf this installer is doing`
`22:15.50`	`ckknight`	`I recommend doing cygwin+git, it's the only official way currently`
`22:15.53`	`EvilJohn-`	`it's in your source, stealing your revisions`
`22:16.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i downloaded GitMe-0.4.2.exe`
`22:16.59`	`lhunath`	`sidetracking the current topic a little but I could do with some input from people with experience (if only first impressions) on the Ace updater I've developped in Java (see http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=10473 for details).`
`22:17.08`	`Chompers`	`so ckk`
`22:17.11`	`ckknight`	`so?`
`22:17.15`	`Chompers`	`this git thing looks pretty cool`
`22:17.18`	`ckknight`	`yes it is`
`22:17.23`	`EvilJohn-`	`I saw the java updater, but I don't really see a use for it, for me`
`22:17.26`	`lhunath`	`it's fast, too.`
`22:17.32`	`ckknight`	`freaky fast`
`22:17.34`	`lhunath`	`git, that is.`
`22:17.45`	`Industrial`	`and another complicated thing to learn just to get to 3kb files`
`22:17.47`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`22:17.47`	`ckknight`	`lhunath: uploaded`
`22:17.53`	`kergoth`	`mingwgit works pretty good actually, it's come a long way`
`22:17.55`	`lhunath`	`eviljohn-: there's several.`
`22:18.01`	`lhunath`	`ckknight: roger.`
`22:18.02`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: really? nice`
`22:18.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`kergoth: tell me wtf this installer is doing`
`22:18.40`	`kergoth`	`yeah, i used it for quite a while for my addon set (was using git submodules for each addon)`
`22:18.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`im not sure but i think its downloading itself from git`
`22:19.02`	`kergoth`	`Arrowmaster: it should be installing an msys shell / environment, then clones a couple git repositories for current mingw/msys git`
`22:19.04`	`ckknight`	`http://lhunath.lyndir.com/stuff/git-screencast.zip <--- peepcode git screencast, very, very informative`
`22:19.05`	`kergoth`	`iirc anyway`
`22:19.11`	`ckknight`	`I know how to use git because of it`
`22:19.24`	`kergoth`	`git is -so- fast it boggles the mind`
`22:19.28`	`kergoth`	`have you tried 'git grep' yet?`
`22:19.34`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:19.44`	`kergoth`	`shitloads faster than just a recursive grep or windows search`
`22:19.51`	`ckknight`	`fun`
`22:20.08`	`EvilJohn-`	`thanks ck`
`22:20.13`	`kergoth`	`there's a lot of great stuff with it`
`22:20.16`	`kergoth`	`take git add -i`
`22:20.23`	`ckknight`	`what's -i?`
`22:20.26`	`kergoth`	`interactive`
`22:20.29`	`ckknight`	`ah`
`22:20.30`	`kergoth`	`instead of addign all the changes you've done into the index`
`22:20.34`	`kergoth`	`you can add only certain hunks`
`22:20.39`	`kergoth`	`or even split the hunks and grab certain lines you changed`
`22:20.39`	`lhunath`	`makes you wonder what black magic it employs under the wings.`
`22:20.41`	`kergoth`	`its lovely`
`22:20.43`	`ckknight`	`okay, gotta go, everyone`
`22:20.51`	`kergoth`	`lhunath: it's not black magic, most of what they've done is documented`
`22:20.59`	`lhunath`	`I do assume so.`
`22:21.10`	`kergoth`	`there's a great svg picture showing how the different pieces fit together`
`22:21.12`	`lhunath`	`and if anything, by the source code. heh.`
`22:21.22`	`Fin`	`it's the bits that aren't that make it black :)`
`22:21.33`	`Fin`	`I jest!`
`22:21.36`	`kergoth`	`well, most things are pretty easy to grasp`
`22:21.44`	`kergoth`	`i don't know the binary formats they use, but i doubt they're that complex`
`22:22.01`	`kergoth`	`the only things i consider voodoo are just due to my lack of CM guru'ness`
`22:22.10`	`genetik-`	`hmm.. since git is decentralized, would things like CIA be practical?`
`22:22.13`	`kergoth`	`like the algorithms used in the merge stuff`
`22:22.14`	`Fin`	`couldn't help myself, git's a fine product worthy of uhm, something worthy`
`22:22.23`	`kergoth`	`genetik-: yes, you can notify cia just when changes are pushed to upstream`
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`22:22.28`	`kergoth`	`rather than when things are -committed-`
`22:22.29`	`lhunath`	`I understand they heavily depend on hashes reducing the overal io but in grepping for data hashes are pretty useless afaik.`
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`22:23.01`	`genetik-`	`kergoth: so you'd have one copy of the repository somewhere that would trigger that?`
`22:23.09`	`kergoth`	`right`
`22:23.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`kergoth: so which win client would you recommend?`
`22:23.14`	`kergoth`	`on a server soemwhere, teh main place people clone from`
`22:23.30`	`kergoth`	`your choices are the msys/mingw git, or the cygwin git, that's it`
`22:23.39`	`kergoth`	`the former is a bit speedier, but the latter has been around longer`
`22:23.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`k`
`22:24.03`	`kergoth`	`personally i use the msys one most of the time, it works well enough`
`22:24.53`	`kergoth`	`genetik-: http://git.kergoth.com/wow/Prospector/`
`22:25.07`	`kergoth`	`that's the web interface to one of my git repositories`
`22:25.14`	`genetik-`	`customizable?`
`22:25.18`	`kergoth`	`whenever i push to that repo on git.kergoth.com, it notifies CIA`
`22:26.36`	`genetik-`	`we use viewvc at work for our repository`
`22:27.08`	`genetik-`	`as a web display type thing`
`22:29.47`	`genetik-`	`the download links on the side for cgit.. are those generated based on tags?`
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`22:32.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`hola ckknight`
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`22:38.17`	`Fin`	`is /benchmark a builtin slash command?`
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`22:38.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`pretty sure, yes`
`22:38.39`	`Fin`	`thanks`
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`22:39.12`	`Fin`	`I'm not entirely sure, except for bring up a framerate counter`
`22:39.31`	`Fin`	`there was some message as well, but I didn't know what it did so I turned it off`
`22:39.40`	`Fin`	`(guessed at /benchmark off on the third try)`
`22:40.21`	`NivFreak`	`man`
`22:40.29`	`NivFreak`	`that Seed of corruption bug on the PTR was hilarious`
`22:40.41`	`NivFreak`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN2ri6YKirQ`
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`22:43.29`	`Pkekyo\|`	`writer's fucking block for fucks fucking fuckedup fucking sake`
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`22:47.43`	`Pkekyo\|`	`brownies ftw`
`22:48.38`	`Osstia`	`I have a question about basic logic`
`22:48.54`	`Osstia`	`I am learning how to write an addon, so I am writing a basic addon for personal use`
`22:49.07`	`Osstia`	`I am tracking items that I am farking and displaying them to a frame`
`22:49.21`	`Osstia`	`(lootTracker does this and more, so thanks JoshBorke)`
`22:49.37`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
`22:49.43`	`Osstia`	`but I am thinking that I need to have it scan my bags each time I loot and look for the items`
`22:49.44`	`Josh_Borke`	`i wrote it for me, no need to thank me :-)`
`22:49.48`	`Josh_Borke`	`Osstia: you do`
`22:49.56`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Josh_Borke: exactly what does LootTracker do? :p`
`22:50.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`wait is that warlock dead and casting the bugged SoC?`
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`22:50.03`	`Osstia`	`but I don't know if theres a better way to do it`
`22:50.04`	`Josh_Borke`	`Arrowmaster: yes`
`22:50.14`	`Josh_Borke`	`Osstia: if you have a specific item you're looking for then you can use the api to get item count`
`22:50.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`22:50.50`	`Osstia`	`but to keep it up to date, I would want to look for that item each time my inventory changes, whish is on loot as well as tarding and mail right?`
`22:51.01`	`Osstia`	`does the ui treat all of those the same?`
`22:51.12`	`Josh_Borke`	`Osstia: you want to know when your bags update basicalyl, right?`
`22:51.17`	`Osstia`	`yes`
`22:51.24`	`Josh_Borke`	`then you need GetItemCount`
`22:51.37`	`Josh_Borke`	`look on www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API`
`22:51.48`	`Josh_Borke`	`Pkekyo\|: it lets you define sets of items that you want to look for`
`22:51.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`that's it?`
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`22:52.16`	`Osstia`	`I have been reading, but most of it was on frames and the display portion, but before I started I wanted to make sure i was at least thinking about it the right way`
`22:52.52`	`Osstia`	`lootTracker is seksi, I will probably end up just using it instead, but this was at least something that interested me, so it seemed a good place to start`
`22:53.02`	`Josh_Borke`	`Osstia: on that page is the GetItemCount api ;-)`
`22:53.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`is there any addon that works like LootTracker, but also picks up the name of mobs that drop the item and count how many you've killed?`
`22:53.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`Pkekyo\|: nope`
`22:53.26`	`Josh_Borke`	`not to my knowledge anyway`
`22:53.30`	`Josh_Borke`	`well, i mean mobinfo can`
`22:54.04`	`Pkekyo\|`	`mobinfo doesn't quite do the trick, it tracks the loot on a name+level basis....the level part kinda screws up statistical usage...`
`22:54.05`	`Josh_Borke`	`Pkekyo\|: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4671-LootTracker.html`
`22:54.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`is loottracker`
`22:54.31`	`Pkekyo\|`	`hmm`
`22:54.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`would you kill me if I tried to make loottracker track droppers and number of kills?`
`22:55.02`	`Josh_Borke`	`Pkekyo\|: you can do whatever you want :-)`
`22:55.07`	`Josh_Borke`	`i'd consider it flattering`
`22:55.36`	`Pkekyo\|`	`thanks...could prove interesting as a first-time coding project :p`
`22:55.58`	`Josh_Borke`	`the code isn't all that great, but it's not the worst`
`22:56.35`	`Pkekyo\|`	`how advanced coding is it?`
`22:56.42`	`Josh_Borke`	`not`
`22:57.00`	`Josh_Borke`	`Pkekyo\|: i currently don't do any sort of tracking of what drops what`
`22:57.06`	`Josh_Borke`	`Pkekyo\|: all i watch is for BAG_UPDATE`
`22:57.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yeah, I'd have to ninja stuff from mobinfo or something`
`22:58.33`	`Pkekyo\|`	`would have to learn how mobinfo works first though`
`22:58.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`also: how does loottracker display the item count? (does it go across sessions)?`
`23:01.33`	`WobWork`	`hehe http://www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/11/comic0011-final.jpg`
`23:01.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w122/imba_pics/WoWScrnShot_121707_212037.jpg bwahahahah`
`23:02.09`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wicked comic`
`23:02.41`	`NeoTron`	`this commercial is WIN http://www.funnyjunk.com/movies/856/Cybering+Siblings/`
`23:02.46`	`NeoTron`	`it's SFW`
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`23:05.12`	`genetik-`	`Pkekyo\|: as a raid leader, that screenshot scares me`
`23:05.13`	`genetik-`	`heh`
`23:05.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`that screenshot is killing me...laughing my arse off`
`23:05.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`purty vid, NeoTron`
`23:12.03`	`Pkekyo\|`	`fucksake`
`23:12.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`once again, I have to say it: neo-norwegian fucking sucks`
`23:12.31`	`Mudkipz`	`.`
`23:13.26`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ideas on what to write? the subject is 'a world without celebrities'`
`23:16.47`	`[dRaCo]`	`yay!`
`23:17.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yay?`
`23:17.39`	`[dRaCo]`	`no "celebs", yay!`
`23:18.25`	`Pkekyo\|`	`heheh`
`23:18.48`	`Pkekyo\|`	`need something more than that :p`
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`23:20.06`	`[dRaCo]`	`I'd write something like: "no more stupid unimportant 'news' about people nobody really cares about"`
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`23:24.03`	`ckknight`	`hey all, back`
`23:25.14`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yeah, I've rambled half a page about the corrupt corporate society producing arseloads of celebwhores and splattering'em all over the front page etc`
`23:25.58`	`ckknight`	`hey Josh_Borke`
`23:26.01`	`rubik`	`hey all.. what was the consensus after 2.3 inspect changes? possible or not to show XX/YY/ZZ talent spec on tooltip with a tag or similar? (i.e. do inspect and pull the totals off the talents tab)`
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`23:26.45`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it's possible`
`23:26.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`cowtip does it by default for some reason :)`
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`23:27.03`	`rubik`	`cowtip uses rock talent settings for its tag, no?`
`23:27.09`	`rubik`	`i.e. queries via rock lib?`
`23:27.33`	`Xuerian`	`ck "Hacked" it up last week to do it the proper way`
`23:27.43`	`rubik`	`orly?`
`23:27.48`	`rubik`	`awesome.. will check it out`
`23:28.01`	`Xuerian`	`Just pay attention, you no longer can use it as a indicator of who has a ck mod or not :p`
`23:28.10`	`rubik`	`haha.. true`
`23:29.27`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`23:29.34`	`ckknight`	`you can see _everyone's_ talents`
`23:29.37`	`ckknight`	`even Hordies in BG`
`23:29.50`	`Xuerian`	`That's gonna get hit by the nerfstick..`
`23:29.57`	`rubik`	`ahh.. i see the LibDogTag-2.0 commits now.. sweet`
`23:29.59`	`Xuerian`	`Just like inspect nerf A, nerf B, and nerf C`
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`23:30.16`	`ckknight`	`Xuerian: it needs to be hit with it`
`23:30.18`	`rubik`	`yup.. was using that other addon (Remembrance?) to inspect cross faction talents`
`23:30.21`	`ckknight`	`until then, I'll abuse it`
`23:30.25`	`ckknight`	`rubik: right`
`23:30.31`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
`23:30.40`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ckknight: how do you do it?`
`23:30.41`	`rubik`	`blizz deserves it, IMO`
`23:30.44`	`Chompers`	`wonder how long it'll take to fix that`
`23:30.55`	`rubik`	`well...it's taken this long.. heh`
`23:31.00`	`kadrahil`	`UGH`
`23:31.03`	`ckknight`	`Pkekyo\|: never check CanInspect(unit)`
`23:31.04`	`Chompers`	`i kinda don't like seeing peoples talents, you see some horrific specs`
`23:31.05`	`kadrahil`	`hate freaking 17 minute av queues`
`23:31.15`	`ckknight`	`just do UnitIsVisible(unit) and NotifyInspect(unit)`
`23:31.29`	`rubik`	`kadrahil: you're lucky; on my server, av queues are 50+ mins`
`23:31.41`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well that's just...fuckedup`
`23:31.46`	`Pkekyo\|`	`wicked though`
`23:31.49`	`kadrahil`	`rubik: ouch`
`23:31.51`	`kadrahil`	`rubik: transfer :(`
`23:32.42`	`rubik`	`why would alliance sit in queue for 50 mins only to lose in 15 mins and get 80 honor points? when they can win 95%+ of pre-made EotS`
`23:33.03`	`NivFreak`	`our AV queues were 85 mins this weekend =(`
`23:33.09`	`kadrahil`	`i wish i had a nice eots premade group`
`23:33.15`	`kadrahil`	`those guys win in like 6 minutes`
`23:33.22`	`kadrahil`	`and the queues are instant`
`23:33.52`	`kadrahil`	`that's like 2000+ honor an hour`
`23:34.07`	`rubik`	`horde can't win wsg/eots in my battlegroup.. we won 90%+ of AV and AB is about 50-50%.. but wsg/eots.. 90+% alliance`
`23:34.24`	`Pkekyo\|`	`same in my battlegroup :<`
`23:34.32`	`Pkekyo\|`	`horde sucks frozen donkeyballs at anything but AV tbh`
`23:34.37`	`kadrahil`	`before the AV changes horde won everything in my battlegroup, alliance won 90% of av's`
`23:34.43`	`kadrahil`	`now av is about 50-50`
`23:34.50`	`kadrahil`	`eots is like 90% alliance on eots weekends with the premades`
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`23:38.19`	`Pkekyo\|`	`sod it, I'm gonna go write this bloody neo-norwegian piece of crap`
`23:38.21`	`Pkekyo\|`	`laters all`
`23:40.04`	`stavmar_`	`What does this mean? I get the error when trying to change teh cowtip settings to another character profile? http://ace.pastey.net/79145`
`23:40.17`	`Pkekyo\|`	`it means you're a bad, bad persoN!`
`23:40.25`	`stavmar_`	`Pkekyo\|: ouch`
`23:40.29`	`stavmar_`	`\`
`23:41.12`	`Pkekyo\|`	`rofl`
`23:41.25`	`NivFreak`	`wow`
`23:41.33`	`NivFreak`	`cowtip has a lot of data by default :)`
`23:42.36`	`stavmar_`	`yeah exactly i want to use my premade one, and I it will not transfer over`
`23:43.42`	`Xuerian`	`stavmar: Easiest way is to open your cowtip.lua folder, find your settings, and copy it line by line into the new char`
`23:43.52`	`stavmar_`	`jsut about to do this`
`23:43.54`	`stavmar_`	`TY`
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`23:44.22`	`Xuerian`	`cowtip.lua folder? bleh cowtip.lua in SV folder`
`23:44.33`	`Xuerian`	`Just pray you don't have to copy settings from pitbull's sv`
`23:45.05`	`stavmar_`	`you have got to be kidding`
`23:45.37`	`Xuerian`	`Speaking of which, ckknight, Pitbull has problems when trying to copy profiles. Text strings often don't get copied at all. Same with cowtip`
`23:45.48`	`NeoTron`	`kadrahil: I have yet to see alliance win AV`
`23:45.53`	`kadrahil`	`:o`
`23:47.21`	`ckknight`	`oh yea, Xuerian, need to look into that`
`23:47.31`	`stavmar_`	`well i see profiles for all my other characters in teh cowtip.lua but i see nothing for my rogue, like a profile is not even there`
`23:49.16`	`Xuerian`	`Final Message to the Wildhammer: Use: Place near the well at the center of Aerie Peak. SHow those filthy dwarven dogs your resolve! Then run away....`
`23:49.18`	`Xuerian`	`rofl XD`
`23:49.27`	`NivFreak`	`so are there any arena frames using this inspect "feature" yet/`
`23:49.37`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ckknight: any idea why cowtip doesn't fancy showing speccs for friendly players?`
`23:50.29`	`Xuerian`	`NivFreak: I wish they wouldn't, it's a nice feature to have around without blizz aggroing`
`23:50.37`	`Ellipsis`	`it should as long as they're in range, Pkekyo\|`
`23:50.50`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: doesn't`
`23:50.57`	`Ellipsis`	`o.O`
`23:51.05`	`NivFreak`	`does for me`
`23:51.08`	`ckknight`	`Pkekyo\|: you're not close enough?`
`23:51.08`	`Ellipsis`	`are you mousing over party members in a different zone or something?`
`23:51.15`	`ckknight`	`they need to be visible`
`23:51.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`ckknight: standing on top of'em`
`23:52.11`	`ckknight`	`odd, then`
`23:52.13`	`Pkekyo\|`	`only shows "Talents: ()"`
`23:52.13`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:52.21`	`Ellipsis`	`are you sure they've spent talent points?`
`23:52.24`	`Pkekyo\|`	`works like a charm on allies though`
`23:52.30`	`Pkekyo\|`	`yup, even inspected'em`
`23:52.32`	`Ellipsis`	`like, if you inspect them and look at the talents tab, there's stuff there?`
`23:52.33`	`Ellipsis`	`hm`
`23:52.36`	`Ellipsis`	`you broke it imo`
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`23:52.53`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'd find it odd if an entire group went to BRS without any talent points spent :p`
`23:52.58`	`Pkekyo\|`	`Ellipsis: just did what you told me to! :<`
`23:53.02`	`Ellipsis`	`:P`
`23:53.10`	`Ellipsis`	`well I've never had that problem`
`23:53.16`	`Ellipsis`	`so clearly you're doing it wrong`
`23:53.24`	`Pkekyo\|`	`<---- farming lbrs, lolswut`
`23:53.37`	`Ellipsis`	`why bother with a group x.x`
`23:53.51`	`Pkekyo\|`	`I'm soloing`
`23:54.05`	`Pkekyo\|`	`just happened to pass a group going there and saw the talent thingie doesn't work`
`23:54.38`	`Pkekyo\|`	`[TalentTree] ([TalentSpec]) <---- talents line`
`23:55.07`	`Ellipsis`	`erm`
`23:55.16`	`Ellipsis`	`then the line format you saw shouldn't be there at all`
`23:55.22`	`Ellipsis`	`[3:51:56 pm] <Pkekyo\|> only shows "Talents: ()"`
`23:55.34`	`Pkekyo\|`	`well, it's there`
`23:56.00`	`Ellipsis`	`o.O`
`23:56.14`	`rubik`	`i'm guessing by line he meant right-side only? and the "Talents:" part is on the left of same line?`
`23:56.39`	`Pkekyo\|`	`right side only, aye`
`23:56.45`	`rubik`	`so "[TalentTree] ([TalentSpec])" evals to " ()"`
`23:56.49`	`Pkekyo\|`	`whomever just spoke is wise :p`
`23:56.50`	`rubik`	`i.e. nothing`
`23:57.18`	`Ellipsis`	`ah`
`23:57.46`	`Ellipsis`	`weirdos labeling things in your tooltips :P`
`23:57.52`	`Pkekyo\|`	`huh?`
`23:57.56`	`rubik`	`:P`
`23:58.22`	`Pkekyo\|`	`is it possible to do target's target in cowtip?`
`23:58.24`	`Ellipsis`	`I dunno, I just don't need the word "talents" next to the name/numbers to realize it's a talent spec`
`23:58.43`	`Ellipsis`	`yeah, you can use [Target] for the unit's target's name`
`23:58.54`	`bigzero`	`omg...how long does it take to resolve the stupid holiday pattern/recipe issue. I wonder if they really meant for only certain people to receie these recipes..`
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