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| 00:38.53 | herlo | Heartsbane: should be back up |
| 00:40.57 | undertakingyou | herlo: what was wrong? |
| 00:43.41 | herlo | undertakingyou: some sort of wan card was down at T4 |
| 00:44.41 | undertakingyou | bummer. |
| 00:46.29 | herlo | its working now |
| 01:05.06 | sontek | herlo: Heartsbane says you are a n00b |
| 01:05.27 | sontek | i'm paraphrasing |
| 01:08.07 | herlo | sontek: I figured |
| 01:10.36 | sontek | herlo: we are learning about OBS |
| 01:10.39 | sontek | are you jealous |
| 01:11.57 | herlo | no |
| 01:12.27 | herlo | fedora has koji and bodhi |
| 01:12.35 | sontek | copy cats |
| 01:12.46 | sontek | They should just use what is already available |
| 01:12.55 | sontek | especially since both are inferior applications! |
| 01:13.04 | herlo | sontek: those have been around for a while |
| 01:13.22 | herlo | and you don't know if they are inferior, you've not used them |
| 01:13.26 | sontek | Heartsbane says koji sucks |
| 01:13.40 | sontek | I don't have to use it! I trust Heartsbane |
| 01:13.59 | herlo | he can't talk, Ubuntu doesn't even have a build service |
| 01:14.10 | sontek | herlo: sure they do, they have OBS |
| 01:14.20 | herlo | lol |
| 01:14.30 | sontek | herlo: and they actually do have their PPA system |
| 01:14.35 | herlo | I know |
| 01:14.45 | herlo | but have you tried to use it? |
| 01:14.58 | herlo | it makes debs, they don't even work for Fedora or OpenSUSE? |
| 01:15.02 | sontek | nope! because OBS is the best ever |
| 01:15.04 | sontek | no need for it! |
| 01:15.08 | herlo | lol |
| 01:15.19 | herlo | whiteinge: ping |
| 01:15.29 | whiteinge | herlo: yo |
| 01:15.53 | sontek | YAY OBS IS GONNA START |
| 01:15.58 | herlo | whiteinge: ever seen this error? |
| 01:16.01 | sontek | my laptop thinks its 1am |
| 01:16.11 | herlo | Installing xml fixture 'fixtures/initial_data_r226' from absolute path. |
| 01:16.12 | herlo | Problem installing fixture 'fixtures/initial_data_r226.xml': columns app_label, model are not unique |
| 01:16.16 | herlo | whiteinge: ^^ |
| 01:17.27 | findlay | django's sql initiation doesn't handle dependencies very well |
| 01:17.38 | whiteinge | herlo: app_label and model? no, never seen it |
| 01:17.45 | herlo | findlay: what do you mean? |
| 01:17.48 | whiteinge | findlay is right |
| 01:18.03 | findlay | just saying it's not very advanced |
| 01:18.18 | findlay | I'm not sure what your specific error means though |
| 01:18.28 | herlo | oh, so importing doesn't work because its got some complexity |
| 01:18.40 | herlo | what's weird is it works on one machine but not the other |
| 01:18.55 | findlay | well, if you have interdependent data you have to handle it manually |
| 01:19.08 | whiteinge | everything in a fixture needs to go into the db in a specific order. any reference pks need to go in first, for example. |
| 01:19.27 | herlo | findlay: in the sense that they depend on each other? |
| 01:19.44 | herlo | ahh, hmm |
| 01:19.47 | findlay | any kind of relations |
| 01:20.02 | whiteinge | s/reference/referenced/ |
| 01:20.07 | whiteinge | yeah, what findlay said. :) |
| 01:20.14 | herlo | whiteinge: findlay: but like I said it works just fine on my eee, just not on the server. Currently using sqlite for both |
| 01:20.23 | whiteinge | same db? |
| 01:20.28 | herlo | yup |
| 01:20.41 | findlay | and everything is exactly, positively, UUIDly the same? |
| 01:20.48 | herlo | one is using python2.4 and the other python2.5, would that make a difference |
| 01:20.56 | findlay | maybe we should run UTOSC from your eee |
| 01:20.58 | herlo | findlay: how would I know that |
| 01:21.06 | findlay | herlo: don't know |
| 01:21.30 | findlay | same django revision? |
| 01:21.33 | herlo | well, then why did you ask UUIDly? |
| 01:21.41 | findlay | :) |
| 01:23.05 | whiteinge | any chance you have another app somewhere on your pythonpath with the same name as soemthing in conman? |
| 01:23.18 | whiteinge | another checkout of conman, perhaps? |
| 01:23.50 | herlo | yes |
| 01:23.57 | herlo | so that could cause it? |
| 01:24.12 | whiteinge | possibly |
| 01:24.22 | herlo | I've got it up there running, trying to deploy this on the same machine |
| 01:24.35 | herlo | how would that affect it? |
| 01:25.29 | herlo | hmm |
| 01:25.52 | whiteinge | well it sounds like a db error, so that might not be the problem. however, you can't have two modules with the same name on your pythonpath, so it sounds like a good place to start. |
| 01:26.16 | herlo | yeah, that sounds reasonable |
| 01:26.31 | herlo | but my pythonpath is blank |
| 01:27.05 | whiteinge | from the shell: ``import sys; print sys.path`` |
| 01:27.20 | whiteinge | you using manage.py to do everything? any chance you've got $DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE in your environment that could be pointing to the wrong checkout? |
| 01:27.33 | herlo | oh, maybe |
| 01:29.04 | herlo | tries to stop the apache service to see if that akes a difference |
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| 01:31.22 | whiteinge | are you running into this problem using apache? |
| 01:31.29 | herlo | no |
| 01:32.19 | whiteinge | i mean for an apache environment? (obviously those errors are from running syncdb) |
| 01:32.43 | herlo | I'm running apache, but I'm running syncdb from a command line |
| 01:35.49 | whiteinge | http://www.mail-archive.com/django-users@googlegroups.com/msg50336.html |
| 01:36.22 | whiteinge | what's in the fixture you're trying to load? |
| 01:36.34 | herlo | hang on, phone |
| 01:42.14 | herlo | whiteinge: the fixture I'm loading is an xml fixture |
| 01:43.08 | whiteinge | what's in it? is it a full database dump? ala ./manage.py dumpdata > fixture.xml |
| 01:43.37 | whiteinge | if so it sounds like the contenttypes table might be causing the problem since it gets created every syncdb |
| 01:46.25 | herlo | okay, so its making sense |
| 01:46.32 | herlo | yes, its a full dump |
| 02:11.32 | herlo | whiteinge: I guess that means I've gotta set it up by hand, its not that hard... |
| 02:11.51 | whiteinge | set what up? |
| 02:11.52 | herlo | is there way to ignore one table when I dump? |
| 02:11.58 | herlo | the db |
| 02:12.32 | whiteinge | don't think so. you could selectively dump each app that you're interested in. or edit the xml file to just remove that one table. |
| 02:12.50 | whiteinge | ./manage.py dumpdata app1 |
| 02:12.51 | whiteinge | ./manage.py dumpdata app2 |
| 02:12.52 | whiteinge | etc |
| 02:13.21 | herlo | the xml is ugly |
| 02:13.35 | herlo | I'll look though |
| 02:15.18 | whiteinge | herlo: oh, looks like you can do multiple apps on one line |
| 02:15.46 | whiteinge | so just go through your installed_apps and include the ones you're interested in |
| 02:15.53 | herlo | oh, okay, so you are saying that the contenttypes is the problem? |
| 02:16.00 | whiteinge | ./manage.py dumpdata app1 app2 app3 |
| 02:16.01 | whiteinge | yeah |
| 02:16.03 | whiteinge | sounds like |
| 02:16.40 | herlo | looking at that, I'm guessing that's because fo the voting app |
| 02:17.07 | whiteinge | contenttypes? |
| 02:17.58 | herlo | yeah, the voting app added can_vote and other contenttypes |
| 02:18.13 | whiteinge | the contenttypes table is created when you run syncdb (or updated when you run syncdb after installing a new app). |
| 02:18.27 | herlo | weird then, because this is a brand new db |
| 02:19.33 | whiteinge | when you ran syncdb it created a new contenttypes table, then when it was trying to install the fixture (which already had the old contenttypes table) it ran into unique column errors |
| 02:20.09 | whiteinge | instead of running syncdb you could just manually ./manage.py loaddata path/to/initial_data.xml |
| 02:20.15 | herlo | oh |
| 02:20.17 | whiteinge | then you'd have the old contenttypes table |
| 02:20.19 | herlo | didn'tknow that |
| 02:20.41 | herlo | so you are saying I can run loaddata without creating the db? |
| 02:20.47 | herlo | how does that work? |
| 02:21.13 | whiteinge | the database needs to already exist |
| 02:21.23 | whiteinge | and (probably) the tables as well. |
| 02:22.14 | herlo | hmm |
| 02:22.17 | whiteinge | you can try ``./manage.py reset appname`` to see if that will create the empty tables |
| 02:22.23 | herlo | k |
| 02:22.31 | herlo | was just gonna ask that |
| 02:22.38 | whiteinge | otherwise you'll need to do it manually with sql from ``./manage.py sqlall`` |
| 02:23.04 | herlo | e |
| 02:23.06 | herlo | ew |
| 02:23.47 | whiteinge | heh |
| 02:25.06 | peno | ~lart American Newbdol |
| 02:25.06 | infobot | whips American Newbdol with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 02:27.44 | herlo | lol |
| 02:27.55 | herlo | David Cook is my hero! |
| 02:28.11 | peno | ~thump David Cook |
| 02:28.12 | infobot | ACTION thumps David Cook in the ear with a brick! |
| 02:30.49 | peno | you need a new hero there turbo |
| 02:32.21 | herlo | okay, I actually have a better hero and he'll come at you at 100mph one day so watch out! |
| 02:32.58 | peno | speed racer? |
| 02:33.09 | herlo | nope |
| 02:33.16 | herlo | although he's pretty fast |
| 02:33.28 | herlo | peno: you see that movie yet? |
| 02:33.40 | peno | no. :( |
| 02:33.51 | herlo | oh, its good! |
| 02:34.22 | peno | it's been ages since I've gone to the movies |
| 02:34.45 | herlo | you should take the wife and go! |
| 02:35.09 | peno | that's the problem, she isn't really interested in the movies I want to see. |
| 02:35.26 | herlo | lol |
| 02:39.06 | peno | and there hasn't been a lot of movies that have looked worthwhile until lately. |
| 02:44.04 | herlo | yeah, I need to go see ironman |
| 02:44.55 | peno | same |
| 02:45.04 | herlo | we should do that soon |
| 02:46.36 | peno | ok |
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| 02:51.18 | herlo | whiteinge: I just figured out why my db stuff was failing miserably |
| 02:51.29 | herlo | not sure how that happened though |
| 02:51.50 | herlo | I was still on an older version of the conman code |
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| 04:00.27 | whiteinge | herlo: glad you got it figured out |
| 04:01.48 | whiteinge | Any of you guys find that either irssi or Freenode needs a reboot once a week or so? |
| 04:01.59 | whiteinge | Or do I have a squirrelly internet connection? |
| 04:02.06 | herlo | not irssi |
| 04:04.24 | Heartsbane | Not here ... I had 97 days once |
| 04:04.26 | Heartsbane | night |
| 04:04.39 | whiteinge | sheesh |
| 04:06.00 | Heartsbane | ya same session open for 97 days |
| 04:06.04 | Heartsbane | night for real |
| 04:08.03 | whiteinge | g'night |
| 04:09.16 | herlo | whiteinge: got another question for you |
| 04:10.07 | whiteinge | herlo: k |
| 04:10.38 | herlo | so I think I've got it all figured out, but one thing is still not working and that's logins |
| 04:10.50 | whiteinge | what's going wrong? |
| 04:10.53 | herlo | I've dumped them from the other db, only to not let the login work |
| 04:11.01 | herlo | seems odd |
| 04:11.09 | herlo | that code hasn't changed |
| 04:13.10 | whiteinge | Same SECRET_KEY from the first one? |
| 04:13.46 | herlo | oh |
| 04:13.52 | herlo | probably not, but I can copy that |
| 04:14.44 | whiteinge | i'm not positive, but I think it uses that to salt the password hash. |
| 04:15.35 | herlo | good idea |
| 04:16.09 | herlo | whiteinge: nope, the secret keys are the same |
| 04:16.28 | whiteinge | :( |
| 04:16.42 | whiteinge | not sure then |
| 04:18.07 | herlo | whiteinge: got it |
| 04:18.10 | herlo | had to restart apache |
| 04:18.43 | whiteinge | herlo: weird! |
| 04:20.04 | herlo | yeah, dunno, but thanks for the help tonight, just about done migrating |
| 04:20.13 | whiteinge | np |
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| 04:53.04 | undertakingyou | findlay: ping |
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| 06:01.22 | decriptor | undertakingyou: ping |
| 06:02.23 | memilyrae | undertakingyou: Happy Birthday (and if you're not on, now everyone else will know) |
| 06:05.38 | herlo | lol |
| 06:05.49 | herlo | happy birthday to you! |
| 06:25.48 | findlay | undertakingyou: pong |
| 06:26.14 | findlay | this is quite the pingy channel |
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| 12:52.02 | herlo | fahreak! That deployment was crazy last night |
| 12:52.12 | herlo | oh, morning world |
| 13:05.52 | peno | not yet, no coffee yet. |
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| 13:41.22 | herlo | I have |
| 13:46.49 | herlo | :) |
| 13:48.01 | peno | so |
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| 13:56.14 | herlo | so my morning has started |
| 13:58.53 | herlo | peno: how are things |
| 14:04.07 | peno | tiring |
| 14:04.12 | peno | needs to be Friday |
| 14:05.03 | herlo | it does! |
| 14:05.27 | herlo | peno: I was up until 3am EDT trying to get the new 2008.utosc.com live last night |
| 14:05.41 | herlo | I'm almost finished, but I've got one stupid problem...pissing me off |
| 14:06.46 | herlo | whiteinge: pinge |
| 14:09.19 | peno | herlo: I saw the change |
| 14:09.47 | peno | I'm guessing that most of it is "behind the scenes" though |
| 14:25.00 | herlo | peno: do you have an account |
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| 14:26.03 | herlo | currently, I'm having problems with creating new accounts right now, but everything else works |
| 14:26.34 | peno | herlo: yep, I do. |
| 14:26.45 | herlo | k |
| 14:27.48 | Jayce | herlo, improperly configured at 2008.utosc.com |
| 14:39.11 | fozzmoo | Jayce: I always thought herlo was a little improperly configured. |
| 14:48.26 | Jayce | :) |
| 14:58.56 | undertakingyou | findlay: thanks for the pingback. I was going to ask you if there was an easy way with the HP 50g to do log base x of a. |
| 14:59.40 | undertakingyou | 08:04 < peno> needs to be Friday; I agree. |
| 15:09.03 | findlay | undertakingyou: all I know of is log_a(n) = ln(n/a) |
| 15:09.22 | findlay | although I'm sure you could write a custom basic command to do it for you |
| 15:19.44 | trixtur | Jayce: you still around? |
| 15:27.39 | herlo | Jayce: I know |
| 15:28.16 | herlo | Jayce: I'd like a bit more than 'improperly configured though' |
| 15:28.26 | herlo | s/'// |
| 15:29.27 | herlo | peno: can you log in at 2008.utosc.com now? |
| 15:34.39 | peno | let me try |
| 15:35.50 | peno | not letting me login, but I can't quite remember what password I used. ran through the various ones that I use. |
| 15:37.23 | herlo | oh, hmm |
| 15:37.25 | herlo | I can log in |
| 15:37.32 | herlo | so I know that's probably workng |
| 15:37.57 | Yorokobi | I logged in but it b0rked when I updated my profile |
| 15:38.06 | herlo | Yorokobi: what did it say? |
| 15:38.14 | peno | requires a password reset link |
| 15:38.18 | herlo | and how long ago? |
| 15:38.29 | Yorokobi | UnboundLocalError at /accounts/profile/ |
| 15:38.30 | Yorokobi | local variable 'image' referenced before assignment |
| 15:38.30 | herlo | peno: you should be able to do that on our site I think |
| 15:38.34 | herlo | Yorokobi: k |
| 15:38.41 | Yorokobi | Happened less than 1 minute ago |
| 15:38.42 | peno | herlo: I don't see it. |
| 15:38.43 | herlo | looks at Yorokobi's error |
| 15:38.46 | trixtur | herlo: is registration available yet? |
| 15:38.50 | herlo | peno: k, hold on |
| 15:38.51 | herlo | trixtur: no |
| 15:38.55 | trixtur | ok |
| 15:39.08 | herlo | Yorokobi: did you ad a picture? |
| 15:39.15 | Yorokobi | http://dpaste.com/52049/ |
| 15:39.21 | trixtur | herlo: If I end up presenting will I even need to register? |
| 15:39.22 | Yorokobi | Nope, I added my company name |
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| 15:39.30 | herlo | Yorokobi: add a pic too pls |
| 15:39.35 | herlo | trixtur: yes |
| 15:39.46 | herlo | trixtur: but you've already submitted right? |
| 15:40.12 | trixtur | yes |
| 15:40.52 | herlo | trixtur: then you should be good |
| 15:41.33 | herlo | Yorokobi: I know what the problem is |
| 15:41.36 | trixtur | but I mean...will I have to register seperately for the conference? |
| 15:41.49 | trixtur | as an attendee |
| 15:42.44 | herlo | no |
| 15:43.00 | herlo | that's why I said you'd be good |
| 15:43.09 | davidfetter | heh |
| 15:43.39 | herlo | :) |
| 15:45.41 | Yorokobi | herlo, pic added, no error. |
| 15:46.20 | herlo | k, that's what I expected, thanks Yorokobi |
| 15:46.28 | herlo | I've almost got the fix though... |
| 15:50.30 | trixtur | herlo: thanks man |
| 15:54.16 | herlo | trixtur: np |
| 16:11.48 | whiteinge | herlo: still looking for me? |
| 16:12.22 | herlo | whiteinge: maybe, but I think I got it figured out |
| 16:12.41 | whiteinge | k |
| 16:13.07 | herlo | had a particular problem... |
| 16:15.42 | herlo | but then I dug around and found it, you are just such a good resource :) |
| 16:58.10 | undertakingyou | 09:08 < findlay> undertakingyou: all I know of is log_a(n) = ln(n/a); That is what I ended up doing |
| 18:20.37 | herlo | w00t! I think I've got all the stupid tweaks fixed. I swear there weren't this many bugs when I was testing it |
| 18:23.56 | herlo | undertakingyou: ping |
| 18:43.10 | whiteinge | herlo: well then stop creating bugs by testing it! |
| 18:43.21 | whiteinge | ;) |
| 18:43.55 | herlo | whiteinge: I've been testing it, but I'm only one person :) |
| 18:43.59 | herlo | needs testers! |
| 18:44.16 | herlo | lol, I just got that! |
| 18:44.29 | peno | passwd reset link? |
| 18:44.33 | peno | :) |
| 18:45.20 | herlo | peno: oh, yeah |
| 18:45.22 | herlo | hang on |
| 18:47.23 | findlay | herlo: I get layout troubles on the homepage |
| 18:53.05 | herlo | findlay: how so? |
| 18:53.12 | herlo | I'm not seeing them |
| 19:00.33 | findlay | herlo: http://jfindlay.us/2008-05-22-125834.png http://jfindlay.us/2008-05-22-125901.png |
| 19:10.31 | herlo | peno: on the login page, you can reset your password now |
| 19:10.58 | herlo | findlay: do a forced reload. Should be fixed. |
| 19:11.13 | herlo | findlay: or you are not loading css for some reason |
| 19:11.59 | findlay | seems to work now |
| 19:12.16 | findlay | s/work/look better/ |
| 19:12.36 | herlo | yeah, css issue, probably because I was working on it and it didn't fully load |
| 19:13.11 | peno | herlo: fyi, the password reset email doesn't have UTOS branding. |
| 19:13.21 | herlo | peno: I know |
| 19:13.25 | herlo | thx |
| 19:13.36 | peno | the link in the body goes to example.com as well. :) |
| 19:13.42 | findlay | heh |
| 19:13.53 | herlo | Ill look into that |
| 19:14.37 | peno | place to change passwd? |
| 19:16.28 | herlo | peno: its in the email |
| 19:16.36 | herlo | peno: try reset again |
| 19:16.39 | peno | example.com/password_change |
| 19:16.49 | herlo | yeah, I just updated it |
| 19:17.12 | whiteinge | peno: you looking for this? http://localhost:8000/accounts/password/change/ |
| 19:17.30 | peno | no, localhost won't work for me. :D |
| 19:17.38 | herlo | peno: use 2008.utosc.com/ |
| 19:17.49 | herlo | :) |
| 19:17.54 | whiteinge | or replace localhost with wherever conman is running |
| 19:17.55 | whiteinge | yeah |
| 19:17.57 | whiteinge | :) |
| 19:18.04 | herlo | right |
| 19:18.04 | peno | did the passwd reset, and it still shows example.com |
| 19:18.13 | herlo | hmm, I just changed it, hang on |
| 19:18.14 | peno | I know, I just have to be a smartass! |
| 19:18.19 | herlo | lol |
| 19:18.54 | whiteinge | herlo: did you see this? http://simonwillison.net/2008/May/22/debugging/ |
| 19:19.04 | whiteinge | required reading, imo. |
| 19:19.25 | whiteinge | i didn't know a lot of those tricks |
| 19:19.44 | herlo | whiteinge: k, I'll check it out |
| 19:20.47 | whiteinge | turns out pdb is pretty freakin' sweet. somehow I assumed it wouldn't be helpful for web dev. |
| 19:21.50 | herlo | Oh, I've used pdb |
| 19:22.02 | herlo | pdb.trace() ftw |
| 19:22.26 | whiteinge | nice! i wish i had tried it earlier. :-P |
| 19:22.36 | herlo | whiteinge: have you checked out the updated site? Its running much better now |
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| 19:23.20 | herlo | I was up until 3 this morning making it work. And I've been fixing little ticky-tack bugs... |
| 19:24.36 | whiteinge | No I haven't, I'll check it out now. |
| 19:24.49 | herlo | k, cool. Let me know what you find |
| 19:25.26 | whiteinge | I was up until 3 too! We could've been passing the time with lame its-3-in-the-morning-calibur jokes. :'( |
| 19:26.38 | herlo | damn! |
| 19:27.04 | herlo | though I did ping you some :) |
| 19:28.37 | whiteinge | you did? wth? there's something wrong with my IRC setup. :( |
| 19:29.33 | whiteinge | ...and why did I think caliber was spelled with a 'u'? |
| 19:29.45 | herlo | lol, I didn't even notice that |
| 19:30.43 | whiteinge | Too much coffee? Not enough coffee? This caffinated tightrope thing can be tricky... |
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| 19:34.19 | herlo | yeah, I crash about every third day |
| 19:34.30 | herlo | whiteinge: you a coffee drinker? |
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| 19:35.16 | whiteinge | herlo: I've been avoiding it for the past few weeks since my french press broke, but I got a new one this week. So yes. |
| 19:35.26 | whiteinge | hates filtered coffee |
| 19:35.33 | herlo | ooh, nice |
| 19:35.42 | herlo | whiteinge: i'm coming over on Saturday morning |
| 19:36.10 | whiteinge | Ok. I'll have the oily heart-attack-worth coffee ready for you. |
| 19:36.27 | herlo | nah, I like what you're selling before that statement |
| 19:37.40 | whiteinge | If your coffee *looks* unhealthy you know you're doing something right. ;() |
| 19:37.44 | whiteinge | ;) |
| 19:38.27 | herlo | lol |
| 19:38.33 | peno | coffee snobs. |
| 19:39.00 | herlo | yup |
| 19:39.26 | herlo | peno: you, me, Heartsbane and whiteinge should go to coffee |
| 19:39.29 | herlo | next week |
| 19:39.59 | whiteinge | I'll be in your neck of the woods sometime on Tuesday... |
| 19:40.01 | peno | hmm.... |
| 19:40.13 | peno | depends on the day. :) |
| 19:42.07 | herlo | that'd work for me probably, I think I might have to into the office on Wednesday |
| 19:44.58 | whiteinge | my wife is due at the end of next week. it's gonna be a nerve wracking week, i'm guessing. |
| 19:44.58 | herlo | whiteinge: we should probably start to add logging to utos-conman in the near future |
| 19:45.07 | herlo | whiteinge: yeah, coffee's gonna help ;-P |
| 19:45.10 | whiteinge | doh! |
| 19:45.34 | whiteinge | logging for errors or logging for hits? |
| 19:46.24 | herlo | logging from that url you gave me, it'd be useful to enable a logging structure |
| 19:46.34 | herlo | I can track hits pretty easily |
| 19:46.57 | whiteinge | sounds good to me. i was wanting to try out something mentioned in that article: http://code.google.com/p/django-db-log/ |
| 19:52.01 | whiteinge | Looks like I'm going to have to put together a ~/.pdbrc file and update my last blog post. :( |
| 19:52.19 | herlo | nice |
| 19:53.42 | herlo | whiteinge: just set tracking back up... |
| 19:53.48 | whiteinge | is secretly excited when he finds a new *rc file in which to dump hours of time |
| 19:54.24 | whiteinge | tracking? |
| 19:54.33 | DexterTheDragon | whiteinge's an rc whore |
| 19:54.58 | whiteinge | It's a compulsion. Tweaking *rc files is my methadone. :'( |
| 19:55.12 | herlo | tracking hits |
| 19:55.14 | herlo | sorry |
| 19:55.24 | whiteinge | ah, cool |
| 19:57.10 | herlo | whiteinge: plus, now we'll be able to quickly add pages to the website for things like hotels, and keynotes, events, etc |
| 19:57.56 | whiteinge | that'll be nice, esp. for any non-programmers. |
| 19:58.18 | herlo | yup! |
| 19:58.38 | findlay | ~program herlo |
| 19:58.42 | herlo | the only sad part about that is the fact that html is the only way flatpages work |
| 19:58.49 | herlo | ~honk findlay |
| 20:00.12 | herlo | fozzmoo: ping |
| 20:00.21 | fozzmoo | herlo: pong |
| 20:01.48 | whiteinge | herlo: you can easily run flatpages through a Markdown or RestructredText filter if you'd prefer. |
| 20:02.05 | herlo | whiteinge: oh really |
| 20:02.17 | herlo | fozzmoo: looks like we're gonna extend cfp for another month :) |
| 20:02.18 | whiteinge | yes really! |
| 20:02.24 | whiteinge | hates writing HTML |
| 20:02.31 | fozzmoo | herlo: Good deal! |
| 20:02.36 | herlo | whiteinge: me too, any experience with that? |
| 20:02.53 | fozzmoo | herlo: You want me to blog that? |
| 20:02.57 | herlo | fozzmoo: the new code is deployed, but there are a few bugs, so I wanna give some time for those to work through that |
| 20:03.03 | whiteinge | Yup. Want me to set up it real quick? |
| 20:03.18 | fozzmoo | herlo: Can you give me some fascinating statistics about papers that have been received thus far? |
| 20:03.36 | herlo | fozzmoo: I can make your account an administrative one so you can look |
| 20:03.41 | fozzmoo | Okay. Cool. |
| 20:03.58 | whiteinge | herlo: What's your poison? ReST? Markdown? |
| 20:05.00 | fozzmoo | Just learn xhtml, people! |
| 20:05.01 | herlo | whiteinge: I don't know either |
| 20:05.31 | herlo | fozzmoo: you already have staff status, see if you can login at |
| 20:05.38 | herlo | http://2008.utosc.com/admin/ |
| 20:05.47 | herlo | don't forget the trailing slash |
| 20:05.59 | fozzmoo | My Actions None available |
| 20:06.09 | herlo | fozzmoo: k |
| 20:06.18 | fozzmoo | I'm the silent staff. ;-) |
| 20:06.25 | fozzmoo | (who won't shut up.) |
| 20:06.27 | herlo | fozzmoo: I'll give you rights, hang on |
| 20:07.39 | whiteinge | herlo: Markdown is easier to not mess up, ReST is (very) featureful. Who will be editing these pages? |
| 20:07.40 | herlo | fozzmoo: try it now |
| 20:07.45 | fozzmoo | k |
| 20:07.50 | herlo | whiteinge: probably me and fozzmoo and Heartsbane |
| 20:07.53 | fozzmoo | PRESENTATIONS |
| 20:07.59 | herlo | fozzmoo: w00t! |
| 20:08.06 | herlo | that's what you want |
| 20:08.34 | whiteinge | herlo: sounds like ReST will be preferable then since you all are technically capable. |
| 20:08.35 | fozzmoo | Wow. These are nice! |
| 20:08.57 | fozzmoo | I'm excited. |
| 20:09.07 | herlo | fozzmoo: I know! |
| 20:09.26 | herlo | fozzmoo: before you blog, go through the new functionality, let me enable a bit more for you |
| 20:09.37 | fozzmoo | ok |
| 20:10.42 | herlo | fozzmoo: if you are logged in and click 'submit presentation', you can now edit the previous presentation |
| 20:10.54 | fozzmoo | cool. |
| 20:11.02 | herlo | you can also vote on presentations |
| 20:11.07 | herlo | click speakers |
| 20:11.27 | herlo | you'll see the list of speakers and their presentations its not perfect yet, so its a preview announcement |
| 20:11.31 | herlo | whiteinge: cool! |
| 20:11.48 | herlo | whiteinge: I've got a bunch of bug fixes I've gotta roll into the code in the next few days... |
| 20:12.14 | fozzmoo | thx |
| 20:12.35 | whiteinge | herlo: The neccessary changes are in place, but I don't have to check 'em in now. The existing Flatpages will need to be updated. What do you think is the best way to go? |
| 20:14.39 | herlo | whiteinge: go ahead, I've not made *any* changes into the trunk, I made changes in production. Bad I know |
| 20:15.00 | infobot | takes out herlo with the trash, courtesy of whiteinge |
| 20:15.08 | whiteinge | :) |
| 20:15.16 | herlo | lol |
| 20:17.33 | herlo | fozzmoo: did you get the speaker functionality? |
| 20:28.18 | herlo | w00t! It wasn't working at first! |
| 20:28.35 | herlo | fozzmoo: now you can browse the presentations by clicking 'speakers' |
| 20:28.43 | Jayce | wants the bananas! |
| 20:28.51 | herlo | Jayce: k, hang on |
| 20:31.14 | herlo | Jayce: login at 2008.utosc.com/admin/ |
| 20:33.09 | Jayce | nice |
| 20:37.16 | herlo | Jayce: you can also view the presentations by clicking speakers on the main site |
| 20:39.06 | herlo | fozzmoo: I see you uploaded your pic |
| 20:47.06 | herlo | Jayce: have you not submitted a presentation? |
| 20:52.26 | Jayce | no, part of why I was asking about the one I was going to submit |
| 20:54.31 | Heartsbane | Feh to today |
| 20:55.22 | herlo | Jayce: oh, okay, I rememberthat |
| 20:56.23 | herlo | Heartsbane: hi, check out http://2008.utosc.com/ its updated |
| 21:01.02 | peno | Heartsbane: don't do it, it's a trap |
| 21:04.17 | herlo | peno: he already knows that |
| 21:04.35 | peno | oh ok then |
| 21:05.34 | whiteinge | herlo: Checked in. I updated the initial_data fixture for the new markup. |
| 21:06.28 | whiteinge | herlo: Wanna hear an insanely stupid way to get around that initial_data problem we were having the other night? ``./manage.py reset contenttypes`` |
| 21:06.33 | whiteinge | *sigh* |
| 21:07.17 | herlo | oh |
| 21:07.29 | whiteinge | <facepalm> |
| 21:07.29 | herlo | whiteinge: that was LAST night! |
| 21:07.38 | whiteinge | Really? Oh, crap. I need more sleep. |
| 21:08.06 | whiteinge | also needs lunch |
| 21:08.16 | herlo | go!! |
| 21:08.36 | Heartsbane | peno: thx |
| 21:08.42 | Heartsbane | doesn't look. |
| 21:09.47 | herlo | your loss |
| 21:10.37 | Jayce | no, part of why I was asking about the one I was going to submit |
| 21:10.48 | herlo | Jayce: got thtat |
| 21:11.02 | herlo | s/ht/h/ |
| 21:26.04 | Heartsbane | herlo: lies |
| 21:28.10 | herlo | if you say so Heartsbane |
| 21:28.23 | peno | says so |
| 21:28.45 | Heartsbane | SO |
| 21:29.41 | herlo | lol |
| 21:31.12 | Heartsbane | Would it be strange to hear that according to budget for the city of Provo that it is actually cheaper for them to keep iProvo |
| 21:31.36 | Heartsbane | and there 2 budgets being circulated one with the sale and one without |
| 21:31.52 | peno | no |
| 21:32.09 | Heartsbane | k |
| 21:32.23 | peno | I'd call that irony |
| 21:33.33 | Heartsbane | pashdown: ping |
| 21:44.53 | trixtur | well....work just went from crap to crappier. |
| 21:45.40 | peno | you have to use vista? |
| 21:45.57 | trixtur | worse |
| 21:46.07 | trixtur | decriptor got the boot |
| 21:46.43 | trixtur | He gave these jerks 2 weeks and they said "Thats alright....cya later." |
| 21:47.10 | peno | cool |
| 21:47.22 | trixtur | yeah...not for me |
| 21:47.50 | trixtur | all the stuff he was working on just got thrown onto my plate... |
| 21:48.52 | peno | at least they're not making you use vista |
| 21:49.07 | trixtur | lol |
| 21:49.22 | trixtur | I feel bad for him though |
| 21:49.32 | trixtur | he put off his start date to give them his 2 weeks |
| 21:49.45 | trixtur | so...now he'll be out of work for 2 weeks |
| 21:50.03 | peno | 2 week vacation! |
| 21:50.23 | trixtur | true |
| 21:50.27 | Jayce | normally that means you have to get paid those two weeks, but from the sounds of it they aren't going that way |
| 21:50.43 | trixtur | Jayce: nope |
| 21:51.03 | trixtur | he gets 2 weeks non-paid vacation |
| 21:51.29 | trixtur | thats tough with a family |
| 21:52.01 | trixtur | hopefully he has some savings |
| 21:55.22 | herlo | trixtur: that's what you get for working in a right-to-work state |
| 21:55.41 | trixtur | so lame |
| 21:55.56 | herlo | yup, trixtur you should give them two weeks notice too |
| 21:56.07 | trixtur | I don't have anywhere to go |
| 21:56.18 | davidfetter | "right to work" is just orwellian :P |
| 21:56.45 | herlo | davidfetter: no it isn't. Its actually good on both ends |
| 21:56.56 | davidfetter | bullshit |
| 21:57.06 | trixtur | agrees with davidfetter |
| 21:57.21 | davidfetter | it's good if you have money and power. bad if you don't. |
| 21:57.43 | herlo | no |
| 21:57.51 | Jayce | actually, it helps if those with money try to prevent you from going elsewhere too |
| 21:57.52 | herlo | its a negotiating tool. |
| 21:58.02 | herlo | they cant hold you to a contract |
| 21:58.22 | Jayce | it can cut both ways... |
| 21:58.27 | davidfetter | the power imbalance is absolutely striking |
| 21:58.48 | herlo | disagrees with davidfetter |
| 21:58.53 | Jayce | ditto |
| 21:58.53 | herlo | Jayce: that's true |
| 21:59.02 | Jayce | I used it to my advantage with my last company |
| 21:59.09 | trixtur | what does it matter if there isn't a union involved anyway? |
| 21:59.11 | davidfetter | "Power over a man's subsistence is power over his will." |
| 21:59.11 | Jayce | and have done it at one quite a while back |
| 21:59.24 | davidfetter | no less a pinko than alexander hamilton said that |
| 22:00.29 | Jayce | well, given his views on centralized banking :) |
| 22:00.40 | herlo | hamilton was an idiot |
| 22:00.59 | davidfetter | herlo is an idiot :P |
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| 22:01.03 | herlo | okay, maybe not an idiot |
| 22:01.15 | Jayce | but given his subsitence, he can still get subsistence, right to work guartees that.. |
| 22:01.17 | herlo | but his strong opinions didn't help the government get anywhere |
| 22:01.19 | davidfetter | about sick and goddamned tired of libertarian/fascist bullshit |
| 22:01.45 | Jayce | they can't stop him from doign anything he wants now, which is his tool |
| 22:02.17 | herlo | davidfetter: what? how is it bullshit |
| 22:02.26 | herlo | libertarians are the best |
| 22:02.30 | davidfetter | it's bullshit, and i'm not going to engage on it |
| 22:02.31 | herlo | and they aren't facists :) |
| 22:02.46 | herlo | davidfetter: well, we can agree to disagree then |
| 22:02.58 | herlo | never gets bitter when he disagrees. |
| 22:03.05 | davidfetter | libertarianism is the fundamental failure to understand that money is power |
| 22:03.07 | davidfetter | http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html |
| 22:03.17 | trixtur | davidfetter: true |
| 22:03.34 | herlo | I thought you weren't gonna pursue this |
| 22:03.37 | trixtur | libertarianism is idealism |
| 22:03.48 | trixtur | it would work great in an ideal world |
| 22:04.01 | Jayce | so is consitutionalism, democracy,etc etc.. |
| 22:04.05 | trixtur | but in the real world...it's crap |
| 22:04.19 | herlo | trixtur: true, I was mostly just farting around and seeing if I could get a reaction, it was fun |
| 22:04.30 | herlo | but I do believe in *parts* of libertarianism |
| 22:04.32 | trixtur | the only thing that works is hard work and competition...in essence capitalism |
| 22:04.42 | herlo | not true |
| 22:04.54 | trixtur | herlo: no problem...I don't get mad when I disagree either. |
| 22:05.14 | trixtur | Nature breeds capitalism |
| 22:05.24 | herlo | trixtur: you can get ahead by doing good deeds for no money |
| 22:05.27 | herlo | its called a reputatoin |
| 22:05.33 | Heartsbane | that applies to firearms too ... |
| 22:05.58 | herlo | hehe |
| 22:06.01 | trixtur | if you are a specific species and...if you suck...you won't last long in nature |
| 22:06.30 | trixtur | survival of the fittest |
| 22:06.39 | trixtur | ie capitalism |
| 22:06.43 | herlo | darwin |
| 22:07.09 | trixtur | darwin applied to politics |
| 22:08.04 | herlo | lol |
| 22:08.06 | herlo | k |
| 22:08.12 | trixtur | :) |
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| 22:10.26 | Heartsbane | decriptor should just see if he can start sooner |
| 22:10.52 | Heartsbane | unless he wants to sit home for 2 weeks |
| 22:11.06 | herlo | Heartsbane: agreed |
| 22:11.18 | trixtur | Heartsbane: our summer project would probably benefit from that |
| 22:11.36 | herlo | trixtur: Heartsbane: so could UTOSC |
| 22:11.51 | trixtur | herlo: true for sure |
| 22:12.34 | decriptor | its not really a full 2 weeks anyways |
| 22:12.46 | herlo | k |
| 22:12.49 | herlo | that's good |
| 22:12.57 | herlo | goes to forage for food in Philly |
| 22:13.01 | decriptor | I'm off the rest of this week, monday is a holiday, and friday is my anniversary. so I'm out about a week |
| 22:13.07 | davidfetter | try the cheese steaks, herlo |
| 22:13.12 | herlo | davidfetter: already have |
| 22:13.22 | davidfetter | which ones? |
| 22:13.23 | Heartsbane | decriptor: maybe trixtur misses you already |
| 22:13.24 | herlo | davidfetter: gotta eat healthier though tonight |
| 22:13.25 | herlo | davidfetter: Pats |
| 22:13.32 | Heartsbane | ;) |
| 22:13.33 | davidfetter | pat's pwnz ginos |
| 22:13.41 | Heartsbane | yes it does |
| 22:13.44 | herlo | also went to Michaels italian deli here in KoP, good stuffs |
| 22:13.46 | decriptor | I'm actually kind of looking forward to having some time off |
| 22:13.47 | davidfetter | there's a great farmer's market... |
| 22:13.49 | herlo | davidfetter: we agree!! |
| 22:13.52 | davidfetter | redding station |
| 22:14.01 | davidfetter | reading* |
| 22:14.08 | herlo | that's gotta be close to KoP right? |
| 22:14.15 | Heartsbane | herlo: try Ralph's on 8th best Italian in all of Philly |
| 22:14.26 | herlo | doesnt wanna drive down to philly tonight |
| 22:14.50 | herlo | heads to the hotel and then dinner |
| 22:14.50 | Heartsbane | wutevah big gurl |
| 22:36.33 | Heartsbane | herlo: conman password change is broken |
| 22:44.44 | herlo | Heartsbane: what do you mean? |
| 22:45.00 | herlo | because it has example.com in it? |
| 22:45.40 | trixtur | is actually glad he lives in a "Right to Work" state. |
| 22:45.59 | trixtur | sorry to drudge up old conversations |
| 22:46.03 | Heartsbane | who cares |
| 22:46.08 | trixtur | lol |
| 22:46.09 | Heartsbane | Page not found (404) |
| 22:46.09 | Heartsbane | Request Method: GET |
| 22:46.11 | Heartsbane | Request URL: http://2008.utosc.com/password_change/ |
| 22:46.24 | trixtur | wow |
| 22:46.27 | herlo | oh |
| 22:46.58 | herlo | Heartsbane: k, I'll look into it when I get back from dinner |
| 22:47.05 | Heartsbane | k |
| 23:02.00 | peno | said that already |
| 23:04.53 | Heartsbane | so he is herlo, you gotta say it a couple times |
| 23:10.58 | pashdown | you still need me? |
| 23:11.13 | fozzmoo | pashdown: We will always need you. ;-) |
| 23:11.48 | pashdown | awww |
| 23:12.34 | Heartsbane | pashdown: PM |
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| 23:37.09 | herlo | lol, you guys are hilarious |
| 23:37.52 | Heartsbane | herlo: oh ok |
| 23:38.29 | herlo | Heartsbane: I'm at Bennigans... |
| 23:38.52 | herlo | so that's hilarious too |
| 23:39.53 | undertakingyou | herlo: I learned more about a grant that we may be interested in. |
| 23:40.15 | undertakingyou | The due date is June first. So I may need your help to get a couple of things. |
| 23:40.17 | herlo | undertakingyou: okay. but i did get fetal oxygen |
| 23:40.34 | undertakingyou | your channel hopping conversations |
| 23:40.48 | Heartsbane | you are |
| 23:40.49 | herlo | undertakingyou: I'm off pretty much all of next wk |
| 23:41.02 | undertakingyou | ok, I may take Wednesday off. |
| 23:41.06 | herlo | k |
| 23:41.10 | undertakingyou | that or thursday, I'm not sure. |
| 23:41.31 | undertakingyou | heads home from work. |
| 23:41.34 | sontek | :O~ |
| 23:41.38 | Heartsbane | I am taking Thursday off |
| 23:42.14 | herlo | undertakingyou: thursday is better 4 me probably |
| 23:42.24 | herlo | has a date on Wed |
| 23:42.53 | herlo | and probably on Sunday too |
| 23:43.26 | sontek | is in class |
| 23:43.44 | sontek | They run SLED but I think this one needs openSUSE 11.0 b3 |
| 23:43.47 | herlo | what class? |
| 23:44.05 | sontek | intro to programming |
| 23:44.24 | herlo | sontek: if u r at slcc, say hi to david moss for me :) |
| 23:45.43 | sontek | herlo: is he on redwood campus? |
| 23:45.52 | sontek | herlo: i'll swing by |
| 23:46.52 | herlo | he is |
| 23:47.19 | herlo | sontek: dept heas |
| 23:47.30 | herlo | s/as/ad/ |
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| 23:52.52 | sontek | I don't know anyone at slcc, I just sit here and code on orchid :P |
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