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| 16:22.36 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 16:22.37 | infobot | Pedro offers you his protection. |
| 16:36.45 | eightyeight | jfindlay: https://twitter.com/AaronToponce/status/774270294089306112 |
| 16:49.49 | jfindlay | eightyeight: not sure if I know how to twit correctly |
| 16:50.17 | eightyeight | not exactly excited about that policy change |
| 16:50.32 | eightyeight | i can only imagine i'm not the only one |
| 16:50.53 | eightyeight | that policy effectively tells all staff and students to change how they do email to the way the UU wants you to do it |
| 16:51.17 | eightyeight | "Don't use your favorite email client. Use Exchange instead. Don't like it? Tough" |
| 16:51.30 | spangborn | UIT are idiots |
| 16:52.55 | jlp_znc | aren't you using imaps and smtps? Why isn't that secure enough? |
| 16:53.01 | eightyeight | i am |
| 16:53.13 | eightyeight | i can still retrieve via imaps. just can't send. |
| 16:53.30 | jlp_znc | I find it interesting that they think this will somehow reduce spam and that is the reason for making the change. |
| 16:53.44 | jfindlay | spangborn: the correct description is actually a profanity |
| 16:53.57 | spangborn | When I was up there for school, they started doing DPI and blocking SMTP outgoing to non-UofU servers, too |
| 16:54.11 | spangborn | So I couldn't send e-mail using Apple Mail with GMail |
| 16:54.27 | spangborn | Absurd. |
| 16:54.41 | jfindlay | basically what happened here is some music man came on campus, blew his enchanted pipe and all the technology administrators on campus threw money bags at him |
| 16:54.50 | eightyeight | i feel an auto-reply getting set |
| 16:55.03 | spangborn | So I just started using an external VPN |
| 16:55.43 | eightyeight | "I don't trust UMail, and don't check this account. Use this other email address instead." |
| 16:55.57 | jlp_znc | well, I can see blocking port 25 outbound, but why would you block 465? that's dumb. |
| 16:56.14 | jfindlay | eightyeight: be sure to make the effort to explain why you don't trust umail :-) |
| 16:56.34 | jfindlay | eightyeight: also, you're still on campus? |
| 16:56.44 | jfindlay | you were teaching some classes? |
| 16:56.58 | eightyeight | yes. i'm teaching this semester. |
| 16:58.12 | eightyeight | `Could not connect to smtp.utah.edu (Connection refused).' |
| 16:59.11 | jlp_znc | can you connect to port 25 and STARTTLS? |
| 16:59.11 | eightyeight | heh: https://ae7.st/p/8rt |
| 17:00.20 | eightyeight | hmm. possibly, actually |
| 17:01.30 | jfindlay | eightyeight: do you do a url shortener on your site? |
| 17:01.44 | eightyeight | `SMTP server does not support authentication' |
| 17:01.54 | eightyeight | jfindlay: at https://ae7.st/s/ |
| 17:01.58 | eightyeight | /p/ is a pastebin |
| 17:02.30 | eightyeight | jlp_znc: so, it appears that STARTTLS doesn't work |
| 17:02.34 | spangborn | So they expect you to VPN? |
| 17:02.42 | eightyeight | or outlook. or activesync. |
| 17:02.44 | jfindlay | eightyeight: it wants me to login |
| 17:03.22 | eightyeight | yeah. only i get access to the shortener. i just use it for internal stuff to me. generally not public (although that varies, depending) |
| 17:03.29 | eightyeight | but yeah, it's not publicly available. |
| 17:03.31 | jlp_znc | I have my mail server require STARTTLS before allowing AUTH LOGIN, but it seems stupid to disallow STARTTLS completely. |
| 17:03.41 | jlp_znc | how is that "more secure"? |
| 17:03.50 | jfindlay | eightyeight: no big deal, just curious |
| 17:04.26 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: you are required to believe whatever campus IT tells you is true |
| 17:05.13 | eightyeight | jfindlay: just for you- https://ae7.st/s/1phmysd2cj4nkw |
| 17:05.25 | jlp_znc | snorts |
| 17:07.58 | eightyeight | jfindlay: basically, in my weechat, if urls are longer than the chat window width, they're auto-shortened, so i don't need to <Alt>+L to get to the raw URL |
| 17:08.21 | eightyeight | sometimes when sending emails, i'll use it if the URL is longer than 80 characters, so it doesn't wrap, breaking the link |
| 17:09.24 | eightyeight | no doubt url shorteners can be handy. but definitely abused. personally, i can't stand url shortener abuse, such as using them on twitter |
| 17:10.07 | eightyeight | i use the following shell function https://ae7.st/p/734 to auto-expand short URLs, before i click on them |
| 17:10.40 | spangborn | torsocks, heh |
| 17:10.43 | TodPunk | I would like to present a fact to you all that is relevant to your interests |
| 17:10.57 | TodPunk | There exists no University IT department that is not absolute shit |
| 17:11.21 | TodPunk | It's rare in the private sector where it is paid for better sometimes, it is nonexistent in academia |
| 17:11.22 | spangborn | Trump University's is probably pretty good. |
| 17:11.54 | spangborn | Time to eat Moochies |
| 17:13.57 | Migs | universities just employ CS grads and pay them peanuts |
| 17:14.03 | Migs | and act like they're doing them a favor |
| 17:14.19 | Migs | these are CS grads that probably can't get a job anywhere else |
| 17:14.50 | Migs | how many people here did I offend with that statement? |
| 17:15.10 | jfindlay | lol |
| 17:15.34 | TodPunk | It doesn't matter. Calling them "people" is more credit than their attention deserves |
| 17:15.54 | jfindlay | Migs: my experience with school district IT is about the same |
| 17:15.59 | TodPunk | In 10 years their entire capabilities will be replaced with some scripts and proprietary tools |
| 17:15.59 | Migs | Agreed. Now, school district IT departments are awesome. |
| 17:16.07 | Migs | jfindlay: Wrong. |
| 17:16.10 | eightyeight | FWIW, IMAPS is TLSv1.0 only. |
| 17:16.21 | eightyeight | if they can't figure out TLSv1.2, then i'm probably better off anyway |
| 17:16.30 | eightyeight | at UMail, that is |
| 17:16.36 | TodPunk | no, school district it IS about the same, you just usually get one or two guys in there that know what they're doing that manage ALL the important things well |
| 17:16.43 | TodPunk | *IT |
| 17:16.51 | jfindlay | Migs: well, here in SLC county, school IT is normally atrocious |
| 17:17.01 | Migs | to be perfectly honest, though, you're right, that's how it is in many districts. But it varies a LOT. |
| 17:17.02 | eightyeight | i've never seen a well-run government IT |
| 17:17.16 | Migs | in many school districts in Utah, they just aren't organized well, largely because of bureaucracy |
| 17:17.16 | eightyeight | public school, Big Dept., city org, etc. |
| 17:17.50 | jfindlay | Migs: I think bureaucracy is the keyword |
| 17:17.55 | TodPunk | I left IT because it's a joke unless you're in enterprise. Then it's a slow-moving hulk of mediocrity |
| 17:18.24 | Migs | what you'll have are small IT departments that try to support a lot of schools that use non-standardized devices and apps, and are constantly running around fixing things breaking |
| 17:18.29 | Migs | it's a waste of time |
| 17:19.10 | TodPunk | You can specialize and find a job at some shop somewhere that satisfies your autism-based obsession, like storage guys can have their fancy arrays and NAS endpoints and stuff, whatever floats their boat, and networking guys can usually find a job doing horrid things with Cisco routers at some backbone |
| 17:19.24 | TodPunk | but in the general sense, there's no future for someone in IT unless they do that or management |
| 17:19.35 | Migs | rural districts are especially difficult |
| 17:19.51 | TodPunk | mmmm, rural district IT jobs are kushy |
| 17:19.56 | Migs | talked with the IT guy for Tintic. Most of his IT support time is just spent driving for 6 hours a day |
| 17:20.30 | jfindlay | remote execution ftw |
| 17:21.36 | jfindlay | or rather, salt ftw |
| 17:21.48 | TodPunk | I feel your bias through the internet |
| 17:22.00 | jfindlay | lol |
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| 17:57.46 | jlp_znc | youtah is still not here. |
| 17:57.50 | jlp_znc | ~slacker youtah |
| 17:57.51 | infobot | You got a real attitude problem, youtah; you're a slacker. |
| 18:21.05 | jima | TodPunk: i'm starting to see the plateau factor in IT, yeah |
| 19:38.42 | eightyeight | Oh shit, git! http://ohshitgit.com/ |
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| 19:40.08 | unum | jfindlay: salt lake county includes 5 school districts |
| 19:40.22 | unum | all which I imagine are indpendent |
| 19:40.50 | unum | I've seen very litle of canyons school district IT, but what I have seen looks good |
| 19:40.54 | unum | not atrocious |
| 19:42.42 | unum | eightyeight: I may have needed a couple of those once or twice :) |
| 19:44.19 | eightyeight | :) |
| 19:57.12 | TodPunk | in an email to my gmail address: "We are based in Los Angeles, very close to your office. I would like half an hour of your time to share some of our experience with you." |
| 19:57.38 | TodPunk | I don't even know what project/website he's responding to me on, but I've never had an office in California |
| 20:24.15 | jima | TodPunk: i love it when wannabe vendors refer to the wrong corporate entity, too |
| 20:24.50 | jima | "we'd love to show your team at <company> our product" |
| 20:25.04 | jima | well, since i don't work for <company>, i think i can safely ignore this. |
| 20:28.04 | jfindlay | yesterday I got a spam from somebody who was trying to con me into buying a domainname from him based on a recent github repo I created |
| 20:29.29 | jima | oh, i get crap like that all the time, but with domains vaguely like ones i already own (but worthlessly dissimilar). |
| 20:31.10 | jfindlay | the funniest thing to me was the attempt at brolang to try to mask the fact that he/she/it was a domain squatter shamelessly promoting their 'services' |
| 20:31.29 | jima | that IS funny |
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