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| 02:58.58 | undertakingyou | youtah: how goes it? |
| 02:59.21 | youtah | pretty good |
| 02:59.24 | youtah | you? |
| 02:59.55 | undertakingyou | Pretty good. |
| 03:00.08 | undertakingyou | shalkie: Sorry I was out the other day. Happy to field an EB question. |
| 03:00.50 | undertakingyou | youtah: I am just hanging out listening to some pretty cool Finish music. Thought I would attach my irssi session. |
| 03:01.52 | youtah | did you see my low hug comment? |
| 03:02.14 | undertakingyou | I missed the low-hug one. I saw where you said you missed me. |
| 03:02.21 | youtah | lol |
| 03:02.22 | undertakingyou | It isn't the same at work without you there man. |
| 03:05.55 | youtah | :( |
| 03:06.01 | youtah | that makes me sad to hear |
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| 03:06.40 | youtah | The new gig is pretty sweet |
| 03:07.07 | youtah | in fact, it is so close to home, I could literally drive home, take a 30 minute nap, eat, and drive back, all on my lunch hour |
| 03:07.57 | undertakingyou | Nice. |
| 03:08.09 | undertakingyou | I like to hear that you like where you landed (and that you landed). |
| 03:08.20 | undertakingyou | We should still get together though. |
| 03:08.51 | youtah | for sure |
| 03:08.55 | youtah | absolutely |
| 03:09.12 | youtah | did you get that VHF/UHF rig up and running? Atleast being able to monitor? |
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| 03:19.11 | undertakingyou | youtah: not yet :( Have to get that power supply still |
| 03:22.09 | youtah | my 9yo son is planning on getting his technicians license this summer |
| 03:23.38 | undertakingyou | I will get mine, for sure. |
| 03:23.43 | undertakingyou | Just slowly studying. |
| 03:29.03 | maquis | I have a network issue. We are stuck with sucky comcast service. No other options in our area. Anyway, we were having really poor speeds, and they said it was due to our cable modem being "obsolete", so we upgraded to a recommended cable modem. Now, we are still having some latency, but now it seems to be inside our network, I think. If I connect my macbook directly to the cable modem, I can get the full spee |
| 03:29.09 | maquis | d we are paying for. When I connect the router again to the cable modem, we have a while that we get full speeds, but then over the course of the day, the speeds we are seeing degrade. |
| 03:29.28 | maquis | I would prefer a solution other than "every day, go unplug the router from the cable modem for a bit, then plug the router back in. |
| 03:29.31 | maquis | " |
| 03:30.56 | maquis | I was trying to use wireshark to see if there's anything unusual happening on our network, and I'm not seeing anything, but I'm honestly not a network expert. What should I be looking for? I can't say that any of this is a new issue, since we have been having horrid speeds for months, but now that we have the newer cable modem, and should be getting better service, I'm really wanting to get it figured out. |
| 03:31.47 | undertakingyou | Don't know that I know the answer, but I am curious, what is the router / switch that you are using maquis? |
| 03:31.52 | youtah | All gigabit routers are not created equal |
| 03:32.04 | youtah | and switches |
| 03:33.07 | maquis | We are using a Linksys E3500, I think. I did switch it to our old wrt54G for testing, and didn't see any improvement from that, although I know that is a very old router... |
| 03:33.13 | maquis | Checking on model of router |
| 03:33.25 | maquis | EA3500 |
| 03:34.06 | jlp_znc | hey, maquis! are you, by chance, running any custom firmware (i.e. dd-wrt) on your router? if so, you might want to try going back to stock. |
| 03:34.44 | maquis | jlp_znc: nope. I did try that once with the wrt54g, but never got it working right, and changed back to stock. new one, i have never changed |
| 03:35.07 | maquis | one thing that might be relevant: upload speeds do not degrade, only download speeds |
| 03:35.18 | maquis | It's nice to see everybody again, btw. |
| 03:36.23 | jlp_znc | good to see you, as well. I recently had some major comcast issues and ended up having to have a tech come out. they ultimately had to tweak something in the line amp up on the pole. |
| 03:36.52 | jlp_znc | but it wasn't causing slow degradation for me... it would just drop out entirely for minutes at a time. and then hours. and then days. |
| 03:37.01 | maquis | jlp_znc: I'm hoping not to have to talk to comcast again, ever... I'm sick and tired of being lied to and dealing with bait and switch... |
| 03:37.33 | jlp_znc | so for sure when you directly connect to the modem you don't get the degradation? are you using the same cable between the modem and your computer as the modem and your router? |
| 03:37.56 | jlp_znc | does the router report any errors? any stats at all? |
| 03:38.02 | TodPunk | maquis: I'm going to guess, just guess, that you're filling some buffer and your router is crap at what it's handling currently. It might just be a situation of someone torrenting or something? |
| 03:38.09 | maquis | unfortunately, rumor is that our city council may be actively blocking google fiber, and our house would need to be completely rewired for dsl (I don't mind wiring if necessary for fiber, but not for dsl) |
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| 03:38.46 | maquis | so, I haven't actaully left my macbook connected to the modem for a few hours. Was thinking about doing that when I go to bed tonight to see whether I get degradation from a long period of time... |
| 03:39.17 | maquis | jlp_znc: I haven't seen any errors on the router, but I honestly can never find anything on the EA3500 controls. |
| 03:39.24 | maquis | I will look more closely there, though |
| 03:40.00 | jlp_znc | definitely do that (directly connect your macbook for a while). do you have a handle on what kind of traffic is on your home network (along TodPunk's lines)? |
| 03:40.05 | maquis | TodPunk: nobody torrenting. |
| 03:40.53 | maquis | TodPunk: I do have a server, and the router is forwarding port 80, but on wireshark, I didn't see anything talking to my server |
| 03:40.53 | TodPunk | can't see why a city council would block google fiber, ever |
| 03:41.24 | maquis | TodPunk: I can't imagine either, but our city council seems to suck |
| 03:41.27 | jlp_znc | because of kickbacks from comcast and centurylink? |
| 03:41.35 | jlp_znc | puts on tinfoil hat |
| 03:41.38 | youtah | because of communism? |
| 03:41.41 | maquis | jlp_znc: that's what i heard, but it was rumors. |
| 03:41.48 | youtah | puts on a second layer of tinfol |
| 03:41.50 | TodPunk | I'll be interested to see the results of the macbook connected for a while |
| 03:42.07 | TodPunk | goes to bed instead of involving tinfoil |
| 03:42.19 | youtah | because your sheets are tinfoil? |
| 03:42.21 | jlp_znc | what? you didn't invoke the tinfoil? |
| 03:42.22 | maquis | we did apparently have some issues in the past couple years (just before we moved here) with city council members and embezzlement |
| 03:42.45 | jlp_znc | you still up in the Ogden area, maquis? |
| 03:42.48 | maquis | I've only heard things second-hand, but what I've heard makes me think that there are some issues with the city council |
| 03:42.57 | maquis | jlp_znc: yup |
| 03:43.07 | maquis | near layton |
| 03:44.05 | jlp_znc | hmmm, are the speed issues only on wireless? do you still see them if you directly hook your laptop to the router? |
| 03:44.51 | youtah | let me test my internet speed |
| 03:44.54 | youtah | one second... |
| 03:44.58 | maquis | jlp_znc: I haven't directly hooked up to the router much... but I could actually try that in a bit. |
| 03:45.07 | jlp_znc | if so, maybe try a different channel/band? that router can do 2.4 and 5GHz. |
| 03:45.15 | youtah | has Luxul gear |
| 03:45.36 | youtah | huh, things seem slow. I am only getting 820mbps down |
| 03:45.48 | undertakingyou | maquis: Is your cable modem set to be a transparent bridge so that the router gets a true public IP? |
| 03:46.01 | jlp_znc | should be on comcast |
| 03:46.19 | maquis | undertakingyou: not sure. os there a good way to check that? |
| 03:46.25 | undertakingyou | I find that if the modem is handing the router some internal address (10.0.0.* or 192.168.*) then it has a real issue. |
| 03:46.30 | youtah | Huh... my internet is slower tonight than usual http://www.speedtest.net/result/5171354137.png |
| 03:46.37 | undertakingyou | In the router, see what it has for a WAN address. |
| 03:47.19 | maquis | so, besides transferring a large file of known size and timing it, is there a good way to get transfer speed between two machines on my network? |
| 03:47.33 | maquis | seems that that should help determine whether the problem is in the router, right? |
| 03:47.55 | undertakingyou | And then just for fun, see what you have on your machine for an IP address, then we will compare that to the router's WAN address. |
| 03:48.16 | undertakingyou | You could. Another interesting test would be to see if LAN speeds degrade or if it is just WAN speeds over time. |
| 03:48.29 | undertakingyou | Which you could see transfering something large within the LAN. |
| 03:48.32 | maquis | my machine is a 192.168.1.* address... |
| 03:49.02 | jlp_znc | yeah, http://deice.daug.net/netcat_speed.html for using netcat to check network speed |
| 03:51.46 | jlp_znc | or this one: https://jbowes.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/measuring-network-speeds-with-netcat-and-dd/ |
| 03:52.05 | maquis | hrm... so, the router has a speed test built in... it is showing 13.5 mbps down. my macbook going to speedtest.net was showing 20mbps for half the test (not at the same time as the router one) and 5mbps for the other half of the test. |
| 03:52.18 | maquis | er... wait... nm |
| 03:52.30 | maquis | \let me try one more time... |
| 03:52.40 | maquis | messed that test up |
| 03:52.52 | maquis | oh... now it's getting 15. |
| 03:53.07 | maquis | I am noticing that my ssh window between two of my machines is hangy today, so it might be the router acting up |
| 03:54.03 | maquis | hmm.... my linux laptop is getting half the speeds that my macbook is getting. that is rather suspicious |
| 03:54.14 | maquis | i wonder if it's something wrong with this specific machine |
| 03:54.28 | youtah | https://teespring.com/hamradiotshirt?pr=10OFF&s=pic |
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| 04:06.21 | jlp_znc | so, maquis, my number 2 son went and enlisted in the USAF last year. he's a desktop computer specialist (I don't remember his AFSC). |
| 04:07.34 | maquis | jlp_znc: cool. that's a good job to be doing. out of the way. :) |
| 04:08.21 | jlp_znc | yeah, he's got his first permanent station at Lackland (same base he did basic at)... they've been there about six months now. |
| 04:08.21 | maquis | ok. I am trying to follow the instructions on this deice.daug.net link, and I am not getting the sent/received output that they are getting. |
| 04:08.33 | maquis | I tried both with nc and with the netcat-traditional package |
| 04:08.41 | maquis | jlp_znc: where's Lackland? |
| 04:08.59 | jlp_znc | try the other one... it seems a little cleaner (using dd and /dev/zero). Lackland is in San Antonio, TX |
| 04:09.11 | maquis | reservists never know much about various bases :) |
| 04:09.13 | jlp_znc | it's a joint base. they actually live on the Army side. |
| 04:09.14 | RyanE | I was going to ask. now Lapland, that's a bit further. |
| 04:09.18 | maquis | jlp_znc: will check |
| 04:10.08 | jlp_znc | for your wifi, if you have an android device, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en is a great app for analyzing your wifi signal. |
| 04:10.27 | maquis | I have used wifi analyzer... |
| 04:10.38 | maquis | unfortunately, today I'm on our backup phone, because mine died *again* |
| 04:10.50 | maquis | time to upgrade, but the nexus 6x is expensive |
| 04:11.19 | jlp_znc | I got the N6 a little over a year ago and have no desire to "upgrade" at this time. :-) |
| 04:13.28 | maquis | jlp_znc: nexus 6? the big one? |
| 04:13.47 | maquis | I love my nexus 5, but it has died twice in the past few months, and I'm not feeling like trying to get it fixed again |
| 04:13.58 | maquis | Looks like this time it's a failed power button. |
| 04:13.58 | jlp_znc | it's pretty big... the motorola one, not the 6p. |
| 04:14.21 | maquis | a couple months ago, it got a new motherboard, and they told me the power button was iffy before they did that repair... |
| 04:15.00 | jlp_znc | I had the N5 before and loved it... only got the N6 because I lost the N5. I found the N5 again a couple of months ago and couldn't believe the size difference (I guess I've gotten used to the N6) |
| 04:15.01 | maquis | but today, it was just sitting there, and suddenly spun into eternal boot loops, and it's not letting me even get into the bootloader |
| 04:15.18 | jlp_znc | do you have a custom rom on it? or stock? |
| 04:15.48 | jlp_znc | I've been running Chroma on my N6. it is very nice. he also builds for N4, N5, N5x, and N6p. |
| 04:16.23 | jlp_znc | have you tried adb logcat while it's boot looping? |
| 04:17.23 | maquis | I always kept it stock, but I did unlock the bootloader, and had it working with adb and such for debugging some apps |
| 04:17.23 | maquis | I just never saw a reason to stick a custom rom on |
| 04:17.24 | maquis | I did manually flash marshmallow after getting the new motherboard, because it was not updating on its own |
| 04:17.59 | maquis | jlp_znc: I haven't... I just assumed it was probably a dead power button, since I knew that was bad, and it is failing at different parts of the boot process each time it tries. |
| 04:19.01 | maquis | If I kinda bump it right by the power button and press on the back of the case pretty hard, it can get all the way to where it shows the colorful logo.... if i don't do that, it fails pretty close to the beginning. :) |
| 04:20.31 | jlp_znc | if you're on T-mobile, I could loan you my N5. |
| 04:20.47 | jlp_znc | I never put a custom rom on my N5, either, but I really like Chroma on the N6. |
| 04:21.14 | maquis | I'm using a galaxy light for now, but trying to decide what to do from here. |
| 04:21.33 | maquis | We have a drawer of unused phones of various levels and smart/dumbness :) |
| 04:21.39 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 04:21.51 | maquis | including a nokia candy bar that was pretty awesome in its day |
| 04:22.16 | maquis | Hrm... so, I should be getting better than 750kB/s between two machines on my home network, right? |
| 04:22.17 | jlp_znc | my wife loved her samsung n105 flip phone. |
| 04:22.26 | maquis | that seems like a pretty low speed |
| 04:22.38 | maquis | for local connection |
| 04:22.53 | jlp_znc | well, that's about 7.5Mbps, which would be typical for 10Mbps ethernet, I think. |
| 04:23.04 | jlp_znc | wifi should be able to do better than that |
| 04:23.24 | maquis | but that could be related to why my laptop seems to be getting pretty poor speeds |
| 04:23.46 | jlp_znc | 802.11b is supposed to do about 11Mbps |
| 04:23.59 | jlp_znc | g is supposed to go to 54Mbps |
| 04:24.28 | maquis | our router is bgn... and my laptop has abgn I believe, so unless I really messed something up setting up wifi on it.... |
| 04:24.56 | maquis | let me check the macbook to the server and see if fares better than the linux laptop |
| 04:28.04 | maquis | ~1228910/1024 |
| 04:28.04 | infobot | 1200.107421875 |
| 04:29.48 | jlp_znc | if you have anything on the network that requires b, your router will drop everything to b speeds. |
| 04:29.58 | maquis | tried it again with an ssh'd screen disconnected (just in case), and not better numbers from the linux box... so, it looks like there's a reasonable chance that a chunk of my problem is someplace on my linux laptop |
| 04:30.15 | jlp_znc | if everything can do g, then turn b off entirely. |
| 04:30.22 | maquis | and I didn't notice that because it's really the only computer I use on a regularly. |
| 04:31.03 | maquis | my phone was slow too... and the galaxy light is painfully slow, but I think that may be the phone itself, not the network connection. :) |
| 04:31.30 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 04:31.54 | maquis | okay, so the macbook is significantly faster than the linux laptop, both through the netcat test and through speedtest.net results |
| 04:32.13 | maquis | and I can't blame comcast for that |
| 04:32.19 | jlp_znc | is the macbook maybe on the 5Ghz while the linux box is on the 2.4GHz? |
| 04:32.49 | maquis | jlp_znc: possible. I imagine I could probably check that from the router page? |
| 04:33.13 | jlp_znc | probably. on my router I have different SSIDs for the 2.4GHz network and the 5GHz network. |
| 04:35.05 | jlp_znc | well, I've got to bail. got to clean up the kitchen before I go to bed. :-) let us know how your experiments go. great talking to you, also. we've missed you on the channel. |
| 04:35.12 | maquis | Mine are the same. Which means I don't know which I am connected to |
| 04:35.39 | maquis | jlp_znc: thanks for the help! I'm going to bang my head at this a bit longer. It's been bugging me enough to put aside my tetris game for a bit |
| 04:35.52 | jlp_znc | heh heh. well, good luck |
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| 14:50.56 | keldwud | morning, guys |
| 15:00.54 | TodPunk | oh hai keldwud |
| 15:01.32 | TodPunk | keldwud: on the subject of opnsense: I tried using it, I can't get past the assholes running the project/company and I think betting on it is a long-term losing horse |
| 15:02.04 | TodPunk | I switched this box I'm building to pfsense, and I'm hoping their new sexier web config will basically crush any advantage opnsense had for me |
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| 16:22.01 | keldwud | TodPunk: lol, you're trolling lattera aren't you? :) |
| 16:22.26 | keldwud | anybody want to donate 15 minutes of their time and install MozDef then test it with curl 'http://localhost:8081'? I'm trying to rule myself out as part of the issue or determine if MozDef doesn't work out of the box |
| 16:22.35 | TodPunk | I don't know who lattera is? |
| 16:22.57 | youtah | it's what you get with you put doTerra in your Latte |
| 16:22.58 | keldwud | oh n/m then, I thought you were teasing |
| 16:23.17 | keldwud | I thought opnsense guys were local |
| 16:23.21 | keldwud | I may have been mistaken |
| 16:23.29 | keldwud | here's the mozdef install instructions, btw |
| 16:23.38 | keldwud | I cloned their git repository then followed this https://mozdef.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installation.html |
| 16:23.59 | TodPunk | nope, opnsense is in Netherlands |
| 16:24.13 | keldwud | man, I was way off base with that one! |
| 16:24.20 | TodPunk | and their behavior on forums is ridiculous |
| 16:25.06 | keldwud | the reason I thought it was a joke was because I heard the exact same thing about the pfsense guys. all hearesay, of course |
| 16:25.26 | TodPunk | I'd help with this mozdef thing but I don't have any of these tools installed, and I'm not about to mess up my system with docker =c/ |
| 16:25.28 | keldwud | that's what I get for not researching :) |
| 16:25.33 | keldwud | TodPunk: lol |
| 16:25.36 | keldwud | no worries |
| 16:25.45 | keldwud | it has been driving me nuts |
| 16:25.57 | keldwud | I've contacted the developer and told him I don't think it works out of the box and this is why |
| 16:26.06 | keldwud | but he still wants me to troubleshoot |
| 16:26.16 | TodPunk | pfsense guys strike me as the typical "we're nerds without social skills, here's how it is, and yes I sound like an asshole, but mostly because I'm stating things that are harsh, not because I'm personally attacking people" |
| 16:26.52 | TodPunk | I seem to have a tendency to find and latch on to these kinds of open source projects, though pfsense at least has good docs |
| 16:27.20 | TodPunk | freeswitch and pyramid are both technically superior to their alternatives but good lord their community growing skills are terrible |
| 16:27.27 | keldwud | unfortunately, I don't know enough about virtualenv and uwsgi to get it working properly |
| 16:27.29 | jima | TodPunk: why? because you're a nerd with no social skills? :-) |
| 16:27.35 | keldwud | oh snap |
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| 16:27.44 | TodPunk | jima: I resemble that remark! |
| 16:27.47 | jima | sorry...setup was there. |
| 16:28.14 | jima | besides, everyone should know that the local channel for nerds without social skills is #dc801 ;-) |
| 16:28.22 | TodPunk | I idle in there |
| 16:28.24 | keldwud | heh |
| 16:28.35 | TodPunk | I don't get half the crap being talked about in there, especially the pop tv/anime stuff |
| 16:28.39 | jima | that was a pointed remark...not about anyone in here, though. |
| 16:28.41 | TodPunk | but it's cool |
| 16:29.01 | unum | candidate filing deadline is tomorrow |
| 16:29.10 | TodPunk | What's the filing fee? |
| 16:35.22 | keldwud | wait, we discuss anime in dc801? |
| 16:39.01 | TodPunk | I don't think there's a topic that isn't dicussed in dc801 |
| 16:39.17 | TodPunk | it's very versatile |
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| 16:44.48 | keldwud | your face is very versatile ;) |
| 16:45.08 | TodPunk | I've got some range |
| 17:03.04 | eightyeight | this is great: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4aauib/lets_talk_about_the_free_software_dating_scene/ |
| 17:03.16 | eightyeight | troll or not, comedy gold |
| 17:07.10 | Migs | hahaha |
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| 17:23.20 | frostyfrog | must've missed the memo on anime... |
| 17:35.23 | youtah | Those Jerks! |
| 17:35.25 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38916064&nid=757&title=fox-news-cancels-slc-presidential-debate-after-trump-kasich-decline-to-participate |
| 17:35.30 | youtah | Hey harleypig .... |
| 17:35.45 | youtah | I just had a ham radio operator / station that I just worked in Wisconsin confirm |
| 17:35.51 | youtah | his call sign is K9TIT |
| 17:35.54 | youtah | giggles |
| 17:36.14 | youtah | get it? |
| 17:36.22 | youtah | because K9 like a dog? |
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| 17:36.33 | youtah | da dum tis! |
| 17:36.56 | youtah | ~joke |
| 17:36.57 | infobot | What's a chicken coupe with 4 doors - a Chicken Sedan! |
| 17:37.02 | youtah | lol |
| 17:37.28 | youtah | infobot, I have a feeling that you and I are going to be good friends. |
| 17:37.28 | infobot | You have a feeling that you and I are going to be good friends.? |
| 17:37.55 | youtah | Yup, even if you are still working on your puncuation! |
| 17:38.25 | youtah | s/puncuation/punctuation/ |
| 17:40.11 | eightyeight | youtah: what's left to debate? it's the same topics, rehashed over and over. it got old 4 debates ago. |
| 17:40.32 | programmerq | eightyeight: less troll, more trying to be funny. |
| 17:40.45 | youtah | yeah, I was hoping the more presidential candidates would attend. |
| 17:40.59 | eightyeight | i don't blame them for cancelling this, and the rest |
| 17:41.00 | youtah | ~drum |
| 17:41.00 | infobot | (drums) |
| 17:41.08 | youtah | yup |
| 17:41.17 | eightyeight | programmerq: groan |
| 17:41.18 | harleypig | youtah: you have such an immature sense of humour |
| 17:41.29 | harleypig | giggles to himself, dog titties |
| 17:41.41 | youtah | ROFL |
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| 17:53.53 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1c2KzJbcGA |
| 17:54.31 | Yorokobi | notes to never click on another link from youtah again |
| 17:54.43 | youtah | lol |
| 17:54.58 | youtah | it's safe for work... sorta |
| 17:55.03 | youtah | and listen to the lyrics |
| 17:55.07 | youtah | they're amazing |
| 17:55.29 | youtah | It's safe for work. Not safe for mental health? Thoughts harleypig? |
| 17:55.51 | Yorokobi | I'm looking for my eye bleach now ... |
| 17:56.06 | harleypig | I'm probably not the right person to refer to for mental health. But I laughed ... |
| 17:57.17 | harleypig | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-vje-bq9c |
| 17:57.27 | harleypig | It's sfw |
| 17:57.33 | youtah | Yorokobi, how much money would it take for you to be an extra in her music video? |
| 17:57.36 | harleypig | It's another music video. |
| 17:58.45 | Yorokobi | youtah, without knowing more about it than the six seconds I watched: not quantifiable. |
| 17:59.04 | jab416171_ | anyone know of a Google I/O Extended event? |
| 17:59.31 | youtah | Jayce^, show JT the video harleypig just posted |
| 17:59.45 | harleypig | ~whaleslap jab416171_ for trying to insert channel relevant material into the conversation |
| 17:59.45 | infobot | ACTION beats jab416171_ for trying to insert channel relevant material into the conversation upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:00.30 | unum | TodPunk: depends on the position $80 for house |
| 18:02.35 | unum | http://elections.utah.gov/register/becoming-a-state-candidate\ |
| 18:02.45 | unum | oops ignore that last slash |
| 18:03.00 | youtah | is TodPunk running for House? |
| 18:03.13 | youtah | would you guys vote for me if I ran for house? |
| 18:03.16 | unum | only $65 for state school board and it's nonpartisan |
| 18:03.23 | unum | youtah: sure! |
| 18:03.33 | unum | though I doubt we're in the same district |
| 18:03.34 | youtah | has no intention of ever running |
| 18:03.42 | youtah | prefers walking |
| 18:03.44 | harleypig | $5/month for keeping quiet, and sure. |
| 18:03.55 | youtah | lol |
| 18:03.57 | unum | my arthritis makes it difficult |
| 18:06.04 | harleypig | omg, how could I have forgotten about this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byOw4AYd7-8 |
| 18:08.00 | harleypig | My favorite part is about 2 minutes in. |
| 18:08.16 | youtah | needs to post this on Facebook |
| 18:09.57 | harleypig | I want to know, with all the oil involved, how they were able actually maintain holds long enough to do anything. |
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| 18:15.18 | youtah | Deep thought of the day: |
| 18:15.32 | youtah | When you clean out a vacuum cleaner, you become a vacuum cleaner. |
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| 18:21.06 | goozbach | youtah: vacuum cleaner cleaner |
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| 18:40.39 | TodPunk | youtah: I dunno, could be fun to run for office. Pay the filing fee and do nothing else, see what happens. |
| 18:41.20 | unum | that's not unheard of |
| 18:41.35 | unum | we had a city council candidate who didn't even show up for the meet the candidates night |
| 18:45.07 | voldemortensen | They could've at least put a cardboard cut out up. |
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| 18:53.22 | harleypig | My campaign promise would be "I'll vote against any new legislation unless you, my constituency, flood me with calls, emails, twitter blasts, fb posts, etc, telling me which way to vote." |
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| 19:22.49 | jlp_znc | I've thought about running on the platform "I'll only vote to repeal existing legislation... I will vote against all other bills." |
| 19:34.42 | unum | jlp_znc: sounds like a good fit for the libertarian party |
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| 19:36.47 | unum | Schanze has an in party challenger |
| 19:37.20 | jlp_znc | I consider myself a rational archarchist |
| 19:38.26 | eightyeight | a rational anarchist? |
| 19:38.37 | eightyeight | isn't familiar with an archarchist |
| 19:38.50 | jlp_znc | yes, I rationally realize that anarchy is impossible, but I prefer to be as close to it as possible. |
| 19:38.57 | voldemortensen | http://assets.amuniversal.com/aa5593e06cba01301d46001dd8b71c47 |
| 19:39.24 | youtah | lol voldemortensen |
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| 19:43.05 | unum | so there's libertarain, constitutionalist, and IAP that all look about the same to me |
| 19:43.17 | unum | I guess to each of them there are some very important differences |
| 19:44.14 | jfindlay | it's Utah, so ultra conservative has its own subdivisions |
| 19:44.49 | eightyeight | we have mike lee as a senator. that should explain everything. |
| 19:44.54 | jfindlay | lol |
| 19:44.55 | SunSparc | is registered with the Unaffiliated party |
| 19:45.30 | SunSparc | I have all sorts of candidates to choose from. |
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| 19:47.14 | unum | SunSparc: not on tuesday you don't |
| 19:47.21 | unum | nor in June. |
| 19:47.41 | jlp_znc | I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. |
| 19:47.45 | unum | But I guess you do in November, atleast for a couple of offices |
| 19:47.53 | unum | though not most |
| 19:47.57 | jlp_znc | is a member of the Whimpy party |
| 19:48.44 | SunSparc | unum: That is alright, because Tuesday is Taco Tuesday. |
| 19:48.45 | eightyeight | so long as you can write in your vote, i agree with SunSparc- you have plenty to choose frome |
| 19:48.48 | eightyeight | s/e$// |
| 19:48.53 | jlp_znc | http://dwrighsr.tripod.com/heinlein/RatAnarch/ <- analysis of Rational Anarchy |
| 19:48.53 | SunSparc | Exactly |
| 19:49.19 | eightyeight | jlp_znc: but that's not 'rational archarchy' |
| 19:49.27 | eightyeight | beats a dead horse |
| 19:49.29 | SunSparc | The "party" system has become a joke. |
| 19:49.54 | SunSparc | Or perhaps it always was. |
| 19:49.56 | unum | a write in vote is counted as an abstain, unless the candidates has registered as a write in candidate |
| 19:50.41 | SunSparc | That is why Mickey Mouse has never actually been the confirmed winner. |
| 19:51.37 | unum | yep |
| 19:51.40 | eightyeight | how are write-in votes counted as an abstention vote? |
| 19:52.08 | SunSparc | Cannot be elected without registering first. |
| 19:52.41 | SunSparc | Technicality. |
| 19:52.52 | eightyeight | i think that's only in some juristictions |
| 19:53.15 | Yorokobi | Register as "Ab Stain" and get all the write-in votes. |
| 19:53.27 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:53.31 | voldemortensen | Abby something |
| 19:53.35 | voldemortensen | Abby Normal |
| 19:54.50 | jlp_znc | eightyeight: did I spell it wrong or something? |
| 19:55.03 | eightyeight | 13:37:13 <jlp_znc> I consider myself a rational archarchist |
| 19:55.16 | eightyeight | "archarchist" != "anarchist" |
| 19:55.25 | jlp_znc | so I did. :-/ |
| 19:55.34 | jlp_znc | ~lart eightyeight |
| 19:55.34 | infobot | holds eightyeight to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 19:55.41 | unum | "To become a valid write-in candidate for a state office, an individual must file a Declaration of Write-In Candidacy no later than 60 days before the regular general election." |
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| 19:57.05 | jlp_znc | I think we should all register as write-in candidates |
| 19:57.12 | jlp_znc | flood them with registrations. |
| 19:57.58 | eightyeight | what is the date of the "general election"? june 7? |
| 19:58.12 | eightyeight | or Nov? |
| 19:58.37 | eightyeight | nov 8, iirc |
| 19:59.12 | SunSparc | http://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2016-election-information |
| 19:59.14 | youtah | Remember remember, vote 7 of november? |
| 19:59.28 | youtah | Remember remember, vote the 8th of november? |
| 19:59.45 | youtah | ducks and hides before undertakingyou throws a banana at him |
| 19:59.50 | eightyeight | doesn't recall that poetic garbage |
| 20:00.05 | SunSparc | "September 9, 2016 - Last day for a write-in candidate to declare candidacy." |
| 20:00.40 | youtah | has a write in cadidate ever won? like ever? anywhere? in the US history? |
| 20:00.45 | unum | the tuesday after the first monday of november |
| 20:01.07 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 20:01.08 | infobot | There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo-staff. |
| 20:01.25 | youtah | ~youtah |
| 20:01.25 | infobot | Mmmm Bacon |
| 20:01.28 | eightyeight | youtah: https://xkcd.com/1595/ |
| 20:02.07 | voldemortensen | ~trump |
| 20:02.07 | infobot | Well, that's a shame. |
| 20:02.07 | youtah | that's why I use my knuckles eightyeight |
| 20:02.14 | SunSparc | youtah: Google says: https://www.quora.com/Has-a-write-in-candidate-ever-won-an-election |
| 20:02.19 | eightyeight | knuckles++ |
| 20:03.03 | youtah | "The incumbent died briefly before the election" |
| 20:03.40 | jfindlay | I think any nonpermanent death could be described as brief |
| 20:03.49 | youtah | lol |
| 20:03.51 | jfindlay | there's a math joke in there if you can find it |
| 20:03.55 | unum | "Filing the Declaration of Write-In Candidacy means that write-in votes for the candidate will be counted." |
| 20:04.00 | unum | That the line I actually wanted |
| 20:04.10 | youtah | there is a good list on wiki |
| 20:04.21 | youtah | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate#Historical_success_of_write-in_candidates |
| 20:07.39 | unum | I guess I did see a count of how many people voted for mitt romney in 2008, but those were probably tallied for funsies |
| 20:07.53 | unum | with the electronic voting counting write ins is a lot easier |
| 20:08.01 | unum | at one time all voting was "write in" |
| 20:08.55 | unum | that's were the term straight ticket came from. the parties would print out tickets with all of their candidates listed on them so you could just drop it in the ballot box and not have to write everything out |
| 20:08.57 | eightyeight | well, every time i've written in a candidate, they were already registered. they just didn't win in the primaries. |
| 20:09.11 | keldwud | apple has to make their source code available by court order but voting machines are super secret and nobody is allowed to view the source code |
| 20:09.14 | jfindlay | makes disenfranchsiement and other voting corruption that much easier |
| 20:09.43 | eightyeight | always ask for a paper ballot |
| 20:10.06 | keldwud | hey youtah, got plans tomorrow evening? |
| 20:10.23 | keldwud | come do some st patrick's day stuff with us at the space |
| 20:10.34 | keldwud | I'll bring nachos :) |
| 20:10.55 | Yorokobi | I miss MacCool's |
| 20:11.22 | eightyeight | Yorokobi: still in AZ? |
| 20:11.28 | Yorokobi | Yep |
| 20:11.40 | youtah | Si keldwud |
| 20:11.52 | eightyeight | the keyboard i purchased from you went... bezerk |
| 20:11.56 | youtah | I am doing the Lehi Cert training |
| 20:12.07 | Yorokobi | eightyeight, yeah, that was a couple years ago, wasn't it? |
| 20:12.13 | youtah | I can't wait for the fire department to start a fire so I can put it out |
| 20:12.14 | eightyeight | dunno what happened. all of the sudden, typing key didn't display the characters they should |
| 20:12.18 | youtah | usually it's the other way around! |
| 20:12.31 | eightyeight | like the firmware had enough, or something |
| 20:12.48 | eightyeight | of course, das keyboard won't do anything, even if i pay them for it |
| 20:12.50 | eightyeight | sad day |
| 20:13.47 | Yorokobi | I empathize, eightyeight |
| 20:13.58 | eightyeight | seriously. i'm not meant to own a das v2 |
| 20:14.13 | eightyeight | first one, my daughter broke. this one i purchased from you, firmware went AWOL |
| 20:14.13 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOkYwnsEztU |
| 20:14.35 | youtah | Yorokobi ^^ that link IS safe for you to click |
| 20:15.03 | Yorokobi | Safe doesn't equate to desire, though. |
| 20:15.06 | eightyeight | links from youtah are similar to those from Migs- you never know if you'll want that time in your life back or not |
| 20:15.08 | asoc | eightyeight: that is sad. at least they are worth something in parts. You could take the switches and make an ergodox, planck or other diy keyboard. Saves you a HUGE chunk of the cost. |
| 20:15.24 | eightyeight | asoc: yeah. i still have the keyboard, actually |
| 20:15.58 | eightyeight | asoc: i've debated just replacing the board myself. i'm sure i could find one on ebay |
| 20:16.20 | eightyeight | then again, i have a das v3 and a WASD. i'm hard pressed to actually need a 3rd keyboard |
| 20:17.03 | eightyeight | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Das-Keyboard-DKI-USB-Semi-Mechanical-Keyboard-/152012316963 |
| 20:17.17 | Yorokobi | I look at das keyboards every once in a while but can't justify the expense. |
| 20:17.22 | asoc | both the ergodox and the planck are specialty keyboards so you could justify it! ;) |
| 20:17.51 | goozbach | hasn't even run his erogdox once since building it |
| 20:18.05 | goozbach | can't take the productivity hit to relearn a keymap |
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| 20:18.17 | goozbach | or re-do a key map to redudce productivity hit |
| 20:18.37 | asoc | goozbach: It was a little rough but it was way easier than switching away form qwerty |
| 20:18.54 | goozbach | I can't re-train my thumb to hit 'enter' |
| 20:19.00 | goozbach | the rest I can live with |
| 20:19.09 | goozbach | but my thumb hitting enter wasn't working at all |
| 20:19.11 | asoc | Yea that one went away. that is a terrible place for enter. |
| 20:19.11 | eightyeight | i tried the remapping keys thing |
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| 20:19.24 | eightyeight | after getting used to it on my box, it was _painful_ to sit at another |
| 20:19.36 | asoc | I put it above the ' key and that worked pretty well |
| 20:20.54 | asoc | switching between my laptop and the ergodox helps lower the pain when using others keyboards. |
| 20:21.16 | goozbach | I was thinking of bumping the ' to the key above and moving the brackets to where enter was, then putting enter where ' is |
| 20:21.43 | asoc | And not using qwerty helps as well since I can lump the type in querty with the phisical differences |
| 20:23.59 | asoc | goozbach: I can't remember if I tried that or not. But I really like the enter key above the ' since with Colehack it puts the : right next to the enter key so vim :q or :wq is really nice |
| 20:24.16 | youtah | ~fling goozbach |
| 20:24.16 | infobot | ACTION flings poo at goozbach |
| 20:25.47 | unum | switching to dvorak as a software engineer, not a problem, switching to dvorak with a desktop support role, a bit of a problem |
| 20:25.55 | unum | I think I can actualyl touch type on either one now |
| 20:26.07 | Yorokobi | I make other people type |
| 20:26.24 | Yorokobi | After two years of shoulder surfing as a consultant, I got used to it. :) |
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| 20:33.32 | jfindlay | you should just get an assistant to do all your typing for you |
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| 20:57.53 | unum | I should get an assistant to do all of my desktop supoort work for me |
| 20:58.29 | jfindlay | with a heavy foreign accent |
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| 21:09.09 | eightyeight | asoc: have a pic of your ergodox? |
| 21:09.45 | asoc | eightyeight: the build or my layout? |
| 21:10.19 | eightyeight | i'm not familiar with ergodox. so, yes. |
| 21:14.08 | asoc | It isn't technically mine so I haven't made the case/additional modifications that I would want to make so it looks like the stock one: |
| 21:14.11 | asoc | https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-3041_20140720105636_a809d88daf95bc52.jpg |
| 21:14.40 | asoc | well stock acrylic kit. |
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| 21:16.59 | goozbach | I've got the infinity, which has the displays in each corner |
| 21:17.00 | asoc | I have it on loan from a friend and am trying to decide if I like it enough to build one with basic customizations or if I want to add too many tweaks and should look at making a fully custom pcb to get the layout exactly how I want. |
| 21:17.03 | goozbach | and no audio jack |
| 21:17.17 | goozbach | asoc: that's crazy talk! |
| 21:17.19 | goozbach | :) |
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| 21:17.55 | asoc | goozbach: how functional are the screens? I was always curious about how useful they would actually be. |
| 21:18.02 | goozbach | I will likely be adding a nub pointer |
| 21:18.15 | goozbach | asoc: stock, only slighyly tells you which layer you're on |
| 21:18.38 | goozbach | but the fun stuff is using some remote control code to put things such as volumen level, cpu/etc |
| 21:18.47 | goozbach | change color for the background based on criteria etc |
| 21:19.19 | eightyeight | asoc: interesting |
| 21:20.24 | asoc | I almost jumped on the infinity massdrop but decided not to in the end. |
| 21:21.13 | goozbach | I'm still trying to decide if it was worth the wait |
| 21:21.23 | goozbach | but I've got too many things going on right now |
| 21:23.02 | asoc | the planck (olkb.co) massdrop was about 9 months for some people due to some assembly issues. How long did you have to wait for the ergodox infinity? |
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| 21:31.07 | asoc | eightyeight: here is the layout for the keyboard: https://keyboard-configurator.massdrop.com/ext/ergodox/?referer=69NHAM&hash=669382f6107533d6938590bc66220e98 |
| 21:31.39 | asoc | Well.. I think I am missing a few small changes but that is basically how it is. |
| 21:32.58 | fadein | asoc: you *do* want to make an ergodox with lotsa cool customizations |
| 21:33.20 | asoc | the letters are different though since I use a slightly modified colehack that is ran using pkl (autohotkey script that is built for custom keyboard layouts) |
| 21:34.07 | asoc | fadein: I should try out that io to oi swap on colehack too huh? |
| 21:34.16 | fadein | asoc: yes you should |
| 21:34.32 | fadein | give me your feedback and then I can consider that v1.0 |
| 21:35.24 | asoc | fadein: you should also put that on github. Or is putting it in version control a nono because it isn't done yet? :-P' |
| 21:35.58 | fadein | it's not in VC because lazy |
| 21:36.48 | asoc | :) |
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| 21:48.40 | TodPunk | Can you just get a normal QWERTY cut in half like that instead? |
| 21:48.52 | TodPunk | So you don't have to be useless on any other keyboard known to man? |
| 21:49.09 | eightyeight | well, being on QWERTY alone... |
| 21:49.22 | eightyeight | ducks |
| 21:51.43 | TodPunk | "<eightyeight> after getting used to it on my box, it was _painful_ to sit at another" |
| 21:51.55 | TodPunk | I know a guy that switched to programmer's dvorak |
| 21:52.09 | eightyeight | i know a guy that switched to colemak |
| 21:52.19 | TodPunk | any time he has to type on someone else's machine, or anyone else has to do even basic stuff on his, everything halts |
| 21:52.25 | Yorokobi | That's why I have someone else type for me. :) |
| 21:52.45 | Yorokobi | Dictation is as fast or faster than me trying to hunt and peck QWERTY |
| 21:52.48 | TodPunk | It's like being proud of a disease you infected yourself with |
| 21:53.09 | Yorokobi | An efficiency and ergonomic disease. Sure. I can live with that. |
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| 21:53.21 | Yorokobi | 10+ years and won't look back. |
| 21:53.35 | TodPunk | "Ah, yes, I took out this eye over hear because I heard it's more comfortable to live without depth perception, which might make you go blind if you look at things too much." |
| 21:53.56 | TodPunk | "It took some getting used to, but I can honestly say I'm glad for the switch" |
| 21:54.05 | Yorokobi | TodPunk, I prevented surgery by switching. |
| 21:54.11 | eightyeight | i have a hardware switched dvorak keyboard |
| 21:54.18 | asoc | TodPunk: I think you can but one of the biggest things I love about the ergodox is that the keys aren't staggered like standard keyboards which makes the strain go down a lot when reaching for b or y. |
| 21:54.19 | eightyeight | with detachable usb cable |
| 21:54.20 | Yorokobi | So yes, I am glad I switched. |
| 21:54.28 | eightyeight | which goes with me in the server room |
| 21:54.50 | TodPunk | is blessed with piano playing hands, so this has never been an issue |
| 21:55.19 | eightyeight | also plays the piano. thus, viola!, the nick |
| 21:55.37 | TodPunk | Yorokobi: I don't mind your happiness. I mind the people that look down on those that didn't follow suit. =cP |
| 21:55.42 | jfindlay | I think you mean voila |
| 21:55.54 | jfindlay | unless there was another pun in there |
| 21:56.01 | TodPunk | My friend is still my friend after switching because he's not a jerk about it |
| 21:56.04 | asoc | eightyeight: that is what I want to eventually do with the ergodox but with colehack I have to dig deep into the c firmware code to get some keys to work correctly and I just haven't had the time to get to that yet. |
| 21:56.13 | TodPunk | Just did it for him |
| 21:56.45 | Yorokobi | eh |
| 21:57.03 | TodPunk | janderson_ is he, in fact |
| 21:57.03 | Yorokobi | goes back to calculating disk storage for his Splunk indexes |
| 21:57.52 | voldemortensen | wears glasses to fix a depth perception problem |
| 21:58.45 | voldemortensen | vim navigation seems like it would really suck using dvorak |
| 21:59.00 | TodPunk | You just remap things |
| 21:59.05 | TodPunk | just like everyone does with vim anyway |
| 21:59.55 | goozbach | asoc: well over a year |
| 22:00.11 | voldemortensen | I've only mapped 4 things |
| 22:00.18 | voldemortensen | nmap <Space> <PageDown> |
| 22:00.19 | voldemortensen | vmap <BS> x |
| 22:00.26 | voldemortensen | nmap <C-n> <Esc>:tabn<CR> |
| 22:00.26 | voldemortensen | nmap <C-p> <Esc>:tabp<CR> |
| 22:00.54 | janderson_ | yeah, I am he, TodPunk ? |
| 22:01.14 | TodPunk | you are |
| 22:01.27 | TodPunk | I was talking about your switch to programmer's dvorak |
| 22:01.33 | janderson_ | ah, yes, that |
| 22:01.38 | TodPunk | and how you weren't a jerk about it |
| 22:01.52 | TodPunk | so, you know, good job |
| 22:02.03 | janderson_ | my intern here mildly hates me because sometimes I switch a server to programmer dvorak and then forget to set it back |
| 22:02.18 | janderson_ | no, I think people should use what works for them |
| 22:02.20 | TodPunk | Ow |
| 22:02.33 | TodPunk | I would be annoyed at you too, to be fair |
| 22:02.41 | janderson_ | I use it to prevent RSI in my case, and it's worked for me |
| 22:02.42 | RyanE | unfortunately, in dvorak, 'ls -al' changes into 'rm -rf'... |
| 22:02.56 | RyanE | yes, I know it's not possible... but it'd be hilarious. |
| 22:02.59 | janderson_ | I rarely do that |
| 22:03.25 | janderson_ | mainly, I just leave things qwerty |
| 22:03.44 | janderson_ | unfortunately, I lost ability to type that, so I have to hunt and peck (some people retain both) |
| 22:04.43 | TodPunk | Some people hunt and peck regardless =cP |
| 22:05.21 | eightyeight | RyanE: 'ls' is actually an initial pita on dvorak |
| 22:05.24 | janderson_ | yeah |
| 22:05.28 | eightyeight | eventually, it's no big deal, but at first, it sucks |
| 22:05.55 | RyanE | yeah, but default safe means that if you have to hunt and peck, it should be with the thing that's printed on the keyboard. :) |
| 22:06.06 | janderson_ | If I had to do it over, I might just use regular Dvorak because that's built into Windows and it doesn't funkify the numbers as much |
| 22:06.16 | Yorokobi | I didn't remap for vim, just got used to the new key locations |
| 22:06.28 | janderson_ | programmer dvorak seems to discourage magic numbers by design, but when you go to type in your phone number, it's a problem |
| 22:06.39 | janderson_ | that's why it's not called "phone number dvorak" |
| 22:07.31 | TodPunk | janderson_: you don't 10-key your phone numbers and IP addresses? |
| 22:08.07 | janderson_ | no, I've never really picked up the 10-key thing |
| 22:08.21 | janderson_ | I think probably because most of the time I'm on a laptop which doesn't have it |
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| 22:10.01 | TodPunk | My wife's laptop has a 10-key, it's glorious and I miss it on occasion on my Surface |
| 22:10.07 | TodPunk | mostly when I'm doing network admin stuff |
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