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| 15:14.04 | shalkie | Apparently mail.ru has a webcrawler that just hit my site looking for the robots.txt file. |
| 15:14.44 | jsmith | shalkie: Lucky you! You've won a prize! |
| 15:14.51 | shalkie | I would have assumed mail.ru to be a webmail site and that would eliminate the need for a webcrawler... |
| 15:15.11 | shalkie | jsmith: Is it a cool drone with a 4k camera? I saw one at the conference I really wanted. ;) |
| 15:15.32 | eightyeight | the web crawler has a 4k camera? |
| 15:15.36 | jsmith | shalkie: Nope... just increased load on your webserver, and extra log records to boot! |
| 15:16.12 | jsmith | shalkie: But keep dreaming of the drone... it'll distract you from the ugliness you'll find when you look closer at your web logs... |
| 15:16.30 | shalkie | :( |
| 15:17.34 | shalkie | eightyeight: I am sure that Peter Parker is up to something like that now, right? |
| 15:18.15 | eightyeight | not of clark kent has anything to say about it |
| 15:18.18 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/MarkSchmidty/status/620783674561327104 |
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| 15:23.34 | shalkie | And I bet the entire infosec community was like "U still let flash run bro? LOLz" |
| 15:24.03 | shalkie | kicks flash while it is down. |
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| 15:27.48 | unum | I was already blocking flash because firefox does not handle it well |
| 15:28.50 | eightyeight | i've enabled 'click to play' since it was introduced. honestly, i rarely need it. |
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| 15:35.46 | shalkie | Yeah, there are only a few places where I use flash. |
| 15:35.53 | shalkie | Hulu and Youtube. |
| 15:36.07 | eightyeight | youtube supports html5 these days |
| 15:36.40 | shalkie | One less reason to use flash. :D |
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| 16:20.12 | romanovic | i wish netflix would support html5. |
| 16:20.23 | romanovic | like actual html5, not with EME. |
| 16:21.20 | eightyeight | yeah. good luck with that. |
| 16:23.24 | romanovic | can we send studios and netflix some graphs? Something depicting "Percentage of internet to whom pirated copies of your media are available - 100%; Percentage to whom it is availabe with standardised browser DRM - 100%" |
| 16:24.28 | eightyeight | unfortunately, the mass populace wants netflix delivered to their browser. they don't care how. |
| 16:24.34 | eightyeight | just as long as it works |
| 16:26.09 | romanovic | i still can't watch netflix on debian. every couple of months I google to see what's out there |
| 16:26.17 | eightyeight | really? i can. |
| 16:26.26 | eightyeight | with stock chromium from sid |
| 16:26.35 | eightyeight | er, chrome |
| 16:26.38 | romanovic | I spoof the user agent in chrome to make it look like a windows machine. still doesn't work |
| 16:26.39 | eightyeight | the proprietarded one |
| 16:27.40 | eightyeight | just started knights of sidonia on google chrome on my sid box |
| 16:27.47 | eightyeight | not special extensions or tricks |
| 16:28.20 | magmu | I wish twitch.tv didnt use flash... thats almost the only place I enable it still. |
| 16:28.24 | romanovic | hmmm. i'll have to try chrome from sid |
| 16:29.04 | eightyeight | set up the deb repo from here: https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html |
| 16:35.35 | romanovic | will do. thanks |
| 16:37.03 | eightyeight | np |
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| 17:15.59 | goozbach | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR2nh_XmfkA |
| 17:20.40 | jsmith | doesn't trust random links from goozbach |
| 17:20.53 | goozbach | you linkist! |
| 17:20.54 | fozzmoo | takes the isk. |
| 17:21.01 | fozzmoo | s/isk/risk/ |
| 17:23.15 | fozzmoo | So, so sad. |
| 17:23.27 | fozzmoo | This is why we can't have things. |
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| 17:54.16 | fozzmoo | ~lart youtah |
| 17:54.16 | infobot | strangles youtah with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 17:54.29 | fozzmoo | So appropriate! |
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| 17:55.10 | youtah | Especially after my FB post? |
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| 18:01.51 | jsmith | youtah: Now that you're back, a little light reading for you: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228440.700-dotdashdiss-the-gentleman-hackers-1903-lulz.html?full=true |
| 18:12.33 | Tod-Work | romanovic, as someone who has literally written studio approved DRM schemes and conversed with their various security teams, let me tell you that the things you believe a studio cares about and what they actually care about have a 0% overlap. |
| 18:13.00 | Tod-Work | the fact that netflix is allowed to exist at all is essentially our greatest compromise with studios |
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| 18:35.32 | romanovic | Tod-Work: i realise that studios aren't under the illusion that DRM is actually reducing piracy, and if we just educated them a little better, they would focus their efforts elsewhere |
| 18:36.34 | romanovic | but, that's a big problem in itself. DRM has become not a tool to manage digital rights, but to allow studios to go beyond what copyright law allows them to do, and simply write their own copyright |
| 18:36.52 | Tod-Work | It's typically about attempting to control |
| 18:37.39 | Tod-Work | Piracy's real allure is freedom, not lack of cost, but it's expensive to know how to pirate, so studios don't care, really, so long as that technical education cost is high enough. |
| 18:38.04 | Tod-Work | reducing that cost is a bad thing, in my opinion, but is the approach a lot of people are taking |
| 18:38.37 | Tod-Work | as you point out, copyright law is probably the better angle, but is also a very different undertaking |
| 18:38.42 | romanovic | if you want to keep control of "your" content, but copyright law inconveniently gives consumers several fair use cases where they can control the content, simply wrap it in DRM and nuke anyone who is caught circumventing it |
| 18:39.28 | Tod-Work | actually the real idea is not just hollywood controlling their own content, but forcing out everyone else, thus assuring their captive audience. |
| 18:39.35 | eightyeight | in practice, digital restrictions management ends up hurting the honest, more often than the dishonest |
| 18:39.48 | Tod-Work | yes |
| 18:40.02 | Tod-Work | and the lie we keep repeating is that it was ever about keeping people honest in the first place |
| 18:40.36 | Tod-Work | a successful PR campaign by studios, to be sure |
| 18:40.43 | eightyeight | wow. i just got an email from teh linux counter project |
| 18:40.54 | eightyeight | TIL the linux counter project still exists |
| 18:41.43 | Tod-Work | o.O |
| 18:47.38 | jalbretsen | I thought Linux Counter died long ago |
| 18:48.47 | jalbretsen | I saw a good tweet the other day on how to combat piracy that hit it on the head |
| 18:49.48 | jalbretsen | How to stop piracy: 1. Create great stuff 2. Make it easy to buy 3. Same day worldwide release 4. Works on any device 5. Fair price |
| 18:51.01 | jalbretsen | I like #4 personally. They've stopped supporting youtube, when is Apple going to look and tell you your perfectly functioning Gen 2 AppleTV won't play "newer movies" |
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| 18:54.42 | romanovic | jalbretsen: that is a great tweet |
| 18:55.18 | romanovic | Techdirt advocates a similar approach, Connect with Fans + Reason to buy = a better business model https://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20120926/22480420525/academic-study-connecting-with-fans-giving-them-reason-to-buy.shtml |
| 19:01.42 | Tod-Work | One of the easiest ways to lose a game is to be playing a different game than your opponent. |
| 19:04.18 | jalbretsen | It's kind of like: Sorry, but these DVDs only play on your Samsung DVD Player. If you want it to play on your LG DVD Player, you have to buy a LG version of the DVD at the same full price |
| 19:05.12 | jalbretsen | the whole digital age of music and video has made it easy..... as long as you choose to get locked in to one vendor for everything |
| 19:11.00 | fozzmoo | http://imgur.com/gallery/Bq73vnu |
| 19:20.57 | shalkie | Cause if you had driven by the house real slow shortly after the dump it would have mattered? |
| 19:25.35 | shalkie | And already sounds like it is going to suck more then then competitors: http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/13/media/comcast-streaming-tv-service/index.html |
| 19:31.30 | jalbretsen | Still not ala cart |
| 19:31.56 | shalkie | Apparently not even going to let you hook it up to a TV. |
| 19:32.33 | shalkie | So i think they might of missed the fact people are wanting the program and not the *cough* cable company *cough* |
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| 19:57.11 | fozzmoo | jsmith: Ping |
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| 20:16.45 | levi | Tod-Work: Indeed, and it's very easy for people motivated by ideals to end up playing a different game. |
| 20:17.35 | Tod-Work | usually by ignoring your opponent in favor of ideologies =cP |
| 20:19.09 | bregalad | are you talking about chess? :) |
| 20:19.24 | Tod-Work | obviously |
| 20:19.34 | bregalad | make sense |
| 20:19.46 | bregalad | s/e /es / |
| 20:19.47 | Tod-Work | I refuse |
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| 21:29.41 | programmerq | I got a linkedin message about a "DevOpts" positions that's open. |
| 21:29.55 | eightyeight | it's optional |
| 21:30.01 | programmerq | not sure whether I should assume it was just a typo, or if this recruider really think it has the t in there |
| 21:30.15 | programmerq | s/recruider/recruiter/ |
| 21:30.16 | eightyeight | probably working with SentOS |
| 21:30.32 | eightyeight | or ubonto |
| 21:33.08 | bregalad | youbuntew |
| 21:33.48 | programmerq | lol |
| 21:34.11 | bregalad | optional devs |
| 21:34.25 | bregalad | or |
| 21:34.28 | bregalad | development options |
| 21:34.52 | shalkie | either one of those choices is optional. |
| 21:35.31 | bregalad | optionally optional options |
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| 21:40.21 | shalkie | It appears tob be a fairly common typo. |
| 21:40.29 | shalkie | s/tob/to/ |
| 21:42.24 | romanovic | programmerq: maybe the recruiter is recruiting for a different position than you are assuming. Developer Options? Developer Optics? |
| 21:45.05 | romanovic | finishes reading the conversation, sees bregalad is already on that development options position |
| 21:54.11 | unum | the politicians in my town like to brag about all the tech jobs they are binging in, even thought they are all sales jobs for tech companies |
| 21:54.21 | unum | I guess some of them are tech support jobs |
| 21:55.09 | bregalad | if every job in the world were sales, how long would it take for the economy to explode? |
| 22:00.26 | unum | just long enough for someone to try and buy something |
| 22:00.44 | unum | you won't be able to buy anything except scams since there's no one to create it |
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| 22:03.08 | levi | Well, people often buy things without expecting delivery immediately. If your buying/selling is all brokered, who'd realize that nothing was actually there to buy or sell? |
| 22:03.41 | bregalad | so the economy is a hologram |
| 22:03.52 | Tod-Work | bailing wire and chewing gum |
| 22:09.41 | unum | levi: good point I guess we'd all be sitting around waiting for tracking emails.... |
| 22:10.17 | bregalad | sounds like a winning scheme for Pinky and the Brain |
| 22:10.19 | bregalad | ~brain |
| 22:10.19 | infobot | The Fermi-Dirac function is, for any system of identical fermions in equilibrium, the probability that a quantum state of energy E is occupied. My word, man, don't you know your quantum statistics?! |
| 22:10.23 | bregalad | ~pinky |
| 22:10.23 | infobot | Narf! |
| 22:10.29 | bregalad | ~pondering |
| 22:10.29 | infobot | I think so, Brain, but where are we going to find a duck and a hose at this hour? |
| 22:10.40 | shalkie | Silicon Armada has posted an opening in Prague for an "iPaas Integration Developer" |
| 22:10.51 | shalkie | s/Paas/PaaS/ |
| 22:11.35 | shalkie | I bet it is some sort of DevOpts position. ;) |
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| 22:13.12 | shalkie | Oh my heck it could actually be a real thing. |
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| 22:17.23 | romanovic | unum: about your politicians comment - they rightfully recognise utah is a tech innovation powerhouse, but I *hate* that they measure the innovation in numbers of patents applied for and acquired by Utah companies |
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| 22:18.33 | bregalad | that sounds like the numbers you'd measure to find places that are trying to be technology nadirs |
| 22:18.48 | bregalad | technology destroyers |
| 22:18.58 | bregalad | but somebody has to do it, right? :) |
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| 22:19.40 | romanovic | patents (especially software patents) are not an indicator of innovation, but on the amount of money companies are willing to pay law firms to wall out potential competitors |
| 22:20.17 | unum | romanovic: agreed |
| 22:24.04 | levi | Well, that's one of many roles that patents play in the markets today, and not always the primary one. |
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| 22:28.04 | levi | Plenty of patents are acquired with the intention of reasonable license fees and/or cross-license agreements rather than "walling out competitors". |
| 22:30.44 | levi | I think they also provide some incentive for companies with cash stockpiles to spend some of it on basic research, since it gives the higher-ups something to quantify about it. |
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| 22:31.17 | romanovic | I can understand that people file with that intent. when it comes to software, though, it is something that shouldn't be patentable, at all. |
| 22:31.26 | romanovic | and isn't in many places outside of the US. |
| 22:32.16 | levi | Don't get me wrong, I think the system's pretty screwed-up and causes plenty of harm too. |
| 22:33.40 | levi | I am sympathetic to the idea of non-patentability of software, but the lines can get pretty fuzzy in my area of work. |
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| 22:49.34 | unum | I feel like the intent of patents was to encourage people it invest in research |
| 22:49.54 | unum | knowing that the patent would allow them to make the money back and then some |
| 22:50.43 | unum | many(including elected officials) feel like patents are supposed to be a magic way to make money so you can then invest in research(if you want) |
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| 23:08.41 | levi | Well, I don't think many *actually* feel that patents are a magic way to make money. |
| 23:09.19 | levi | They're just another of the things you do in today's business arena. |
| 23:12.10 | levi | I work for a corporate research group in a Fortune 500 company (albeit a new member of that list) and I'm only separated from the CTO by one manager, so I do have some perspective on the situation. |
| 23:14.16 | levi | That probably makes my job sound a bit fancier than it really is, but it's at least factually accurate. :) |
| 23:19.47 | Tod-Work | Admittedly you were going for some of that fanciness in your presentation |
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