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| 05:09.21 | fadein | WHY ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE VOTING FOR INCUMBENTS?!? |
| 05:09.30 | fadein | http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/Senate/2012/ |
| 05:09.48 | fadein | ಠ_ಠ |
| 05:13.29 | eightyeight | stderr-: heh |
| 05:13.37 | eightyeight | stderr-: you beat me to it. :) |
| 05:14.06 | stderr- | eightyeight: ;-) |
| 05:21.08 | Gate | Why are all you people voting for complete douchebags? |
| 05:22.11 | Q_Continuum | WHAT DO YOU MEAN "YOU PEOPLE"? |
| 05:22.38 | fadein | Q_Continuum: the majority who has made their voice heard |
| 05:22.51 | Q_Continuum | I just moved here 6 months ago. |
| 05:23.01 | Q_Continuum | I don't consider myself in any sort of majority, other htan that 'guns are good' |
| 05:23.45 | fadein | their voice is saying "maybe our senators/representatives, who presided over one of the least popular congresses in history, will do better this time" |
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| 05:27.41 | eightyeight | Gate: how do you know how i voted? |
| 05:30.28 | fadein | for a nation with such a large proportion of incarcerated people, we're actually very forgiving and willing to give second, third, (or in Orrin's case) seventh chances |
| 05:30.45 | Gate | eightyeight: if you didn't, then "you people" didn't refer to you |
| 05:32.15 | stderr- | Obviously, it implies me, since I voted for Obama. |
| 05:32.33 | Gate | stderr-: yep, and all the people who voted for Romney, too |
| 05:32.41 | stderr- | So, let's examine why Obama is a douchebag. |
| 05:32.50 | Gate | Sure. We can go there. |
| 05:32.56 | stderr- | Continue. |
| 05:34.01 | Gate | stderr-: best article I've read on the subject: http://reason.com/archives/2012/09/13/what-if-november-changes-nothing |
| 05:34.50 | Gate | Massive debt, massive increase in Government, reduction in personal freedom at the Federal level (although, as this election seems to be showing the state level is getting *better*) |
| 05:36.33 | Gate | Despite running on an anti-war platform in 2008 he has acted largely as any pro-war president would have, continuing, escalating and starting wars practically on a whim |
| 05:36.42 | stderr- | Well Reason is certainly a biased source, but I like it and read it. I really liked Radley Balko before he escaped to the Huffington Post for, to me, unknown reasons. |
| 05:37.12 | stderr- | But since you're going the foreign policy route (my, admittedly, expertise), I'd love "go there". |
| 05:37.36 | Gate | stderr-: I'm not arguing that reason is "balanced." They are a libertarian publication. But that article largely shares my point of view. |
| 05:37.39 | stderr- | First off, let's assume that Reason means the NDAA in its references |
| 05:37.41 | Gate | stderr-: expertise? |
| 05:38.04 | stderr- | 19D who served in both the 1st cav and 75th rangers as a QRF resource |
| 05:38.09 | stderr- | in Iraq and Afghanistan |
| 05:38.14 | Gate | stderr-: we can go domestic policy too, I'm not shy. |
| 05:38.35 | stderr- | Do you know what the AUMF is (sticking to foreign policy)? |
| 05:38.39 | Gate | (I'm perhaps less informed, but that just makes arguments more fun, doesn't it?) |
| 05:38.48 | Gate | nope, but I have google |
| 05:38.51 | stderr- | domestic policy, there's far more arguments there, especially fiscally. |
| 05:38.56 | stderr- | Ok, google AUMF. |
| 05:39.19 | stderr- | Bush implementation, as far as the reasoning behind indefinite detention. |
| 05:39.42 | stderr- | (and, many, many other executive privileges in re: to foreign policy) |
| 05:40.46 | stderr- | so, while you're reading, let me explain |
| 05:41.19 | stderr- | What AUMF did was give legal appropriation of, nigh literally, anything in the response to "terrorists/terrorism" |
| 05:41.36 | stderr- | You can assassinate people with any vague reading |
| 05:41.58 | stderr- | etc to detention, abduction, or various other things (not defined!) by said bill. |
| 05:42.20 | Gate | stderr-: all this does is elevate congress at the time from their former status of 99.999 douchebag to 99.99999 in my mind..... |
| 05:42.27 | stderr- | what the NDAA did, much to the consternation of both liberal and conservative laymen |
| 05:42.32 | stderr- | Yes, I agree, the AUMF sucked. |
| 05:42.48 | stderr- | but what the NDAA did, which Obama presided over and took a great interest in |
| 05:42.49 | Gate | stderr-: far too vauge, and granting of far too much leeway (on a short reading) |
| 05:43.08 | stderr- | was define what was already happening in legal (challengeable) language |
| 05:43.19 | stderr- | very explicitly, even |
| 05:43.32 | Gate | stderr-: I feel I should explain my ignorance of the situation in 2001: I was 15 |
| 05:43.36 | stderr- | thus allowing parties (which there are many, already) to challenge it in the Supreme Court with specific cases |
| 05:43.59 | stderr- | Well I'm almost 31 now, but not important |
| 05:44.24 | stderr- | but the move Obama did, which was only recognized by a couple of legal social communities and barely covered by the media |
| 05:44.46 | stderr- | was a MASTERFUL legal constitutional stroke by a guy who really, really knows constitutional law |
| 05:44.54 | stderr- | when he did that, he really won me over |
| 05:44.59 | stderr- | And a lot of people don't realize that |
| 05:45.09 | stderr- | thus why I was glad you quoted the article that you did ;-) |
| 05:45.42 | stderr- | Honestly, I've been drinking a fair amount in celebration, so I'm a going on soliloquys here. |
| 05:46.07 | Gate | LOL, well, enjoy your celebration |
| 05:47.22 | Gate | I'm going to hope that somehow the republicans pull their heads out of their collective asses and put forward someone who is worth voting for in four years. |
| 05:48.27 | stderr- | I completely agree with you. |
| 05:48.35 | Gate | stderr-: my problem with him (and Romney as well) is the emphasis on the Government's control of... everything. |
| 05:48.54 | stderr- | well, I actually disagree on that point, as well |
| 05:49.16 | stderr- | having worked for the government (lower case G, becase they deserve that), I know how ineffectual they can be |
| 05:49.18 | Gate | The Government can order me to buy health insurance, tell me what I can and can't do with my own body, tell me what I can and can't buy |
| 05:49.33 | stderr- | But Obama has thrown some bones, against a lot of wailing in the Democratic party, to the private sector |
| 05:50.08 | stderr- | even the anti-standard that some conservatives hold high, "Obamacare", has taken private industry into consideration |
| 05:50.13 | Gate | stderr-: to me that is like saying you bought the wife you just spent an hour beating a necklace. |
| 05:50.53 | Gate | stderr-: My argument against it is rather simple, mainly because I am unwilling to take the time to read the entire law. The individual mandate. |
| 05:51.39 | Gate | I'm sure I'd have free market arguments with more details, but most of my information about those parts are fairly vauge. I react negatively to them on reflex, but I don't have complete enough information for a cogent argument |
| 05:51.40 | stderr- | Well, as a son of a practicing physician, I can tell you that she (my mother) thinks the individual mandate is a great idea |
| 05:51.54 | stderr- | You're already paying for emergency coverage of anyone who doesn't have insurance |
| 05:52.01 | stderr- | and other coverage besides that |
| 05:52.29 | stderr- | If you're truly libertarian enough, why go to a hospital for your treatment / medicine? |
| 05:52.36 | stderr- | They're supported by a social contract. |
| 05:53.38 | stderr- | And, trust me, if you have enough money to pay for hospital bills in an emergency / surprise situation, you have enough to invest in insurance that will bring those costs way down. |
| 05:54.38 | stderr- | Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Obamacare was enough. Our health system is a wreck compared to many, many other countries. |
| 05:54.43 | Gate | I judge the individual mandate the way I judge every law: would I personally be willing to use deadly force to enforce that law? |
| 05:54.57 | stderr- | Well that's ridiculous. |
| 05:55.03 | Gate | How so? |
| 05:55.22 | stderr- | So if a cop decided to pat you down, would you shoot them? |
| 05:55.35 | stderr- | Of course you wouldn't. |
| 05:55.39 | Gate | ... that is not the argument I was making. |
| 05:55.50 | stderr- | Well that's guaranteed under the Constitution. |
| 05:55.54 | stderr- | The big mama of laws. |
| 05:56.07 | stderr- | Romney giving his concession speech. |
| 05:56.42 | Gate | I will take another opportunity not to listen to him. |
| 05:57.00 | stderr- | Did you vote 3rd party? I'm totally for that. |
| 05:57.09 | stderr- | I like Gary Johnson in some ways. |
| 05:57.13 | Gate | Yes. Libertarian and Constitution |
| 05:57.21 | stderr- | good stuff. |
| 05:57.32 | stderr- | Gary Johnson is a good man. |
| 05:57.34 | Gate | I would far rather he be president than either of the other two |
| 05:57.51 | Gate | but he never had a chance |
| 05:58.13 | stderr- | fair enough, I wish he did |
| 05:58.38 | Gate | stderr-: what is the price for ignoring any given law, say, tax law? |
| 05:58.47 | Gate | if I don't pay my taxes, what happens? |
| 05:58.57 | Gate | First, the bill gets bigger |
| 05:59.09 | Gate | Then they try to just take it |
| 05:59.32 | Gate | Then, they send men with guns to my house to take it. |
| 05:59.55 | stderr- | Well, I believe in taxes and tax enforcement, to a degree. |
| 06:00.00 | Gate | All law, fundamentally, carries the price of government force used against you if you disobey it |
| 06:00.05 | stderr- | I don't believe in the militarization of domestic police forces, however. |
| 06:00.05 | Gate | stderr-: so do I |
| 06:00.18 | Gate | The government is neccecary, we MUST have it and we MUST support it |
| 06:00.34 | stderr- | Hey, obviously, I agree. |
| 06:01.02 | Gate | My argument results in this, though: the government is therefore only justified in dealing with situations where force is justified |
| 06:01.49 | Gate | So, military defense and police are obvious. |
| 06:02.03 | stderr- | I don't know why you think I disagree. |
| 06:02.29 | Gate | stderr-: so would you put a gun to my head if I refuse to buy health insurance? |
| 06:02.54 | Gate | stderr-: because if you want the government to do it, its just going to be a different hand. |
| 06:03.03 | stderr- | Do you think they're going to? |
| 06:03.19 | Gate | If I refuse hard enough, yes. |
| 06:03.48 | stderr- | Do you see that happening in any other western country with far more socialist, and, admittedly, superior health care systems? |
| 06:04.28 | Gate | stderr-: show me people who refuse, and that question will answer itself. |
| 06:05.05 | Gate | the force in the more socialst countries is just plain taxes. |
| 06:05.08 | stderr- | Let's find some people who don't want health insurance. |
| 06:05.45 | Gate | and what happens when you don't pay your taxes? I think we've established that. |
| 06:06.21 | stderr- | show me evidence of that. |
| 06:06.34 | Gate | Wesley Snipes. |
| 06:06.41 | Gate | Al Capone. |
| 06:06.57 | Gate | Men with guns came to their homes and arrested them on the charge of evading taxes. |
| 06:07.11 | stderr- | oh c'mon. |
| 06:07.15 | stderr- | Al Capone? |
| 06:07.29 | Gate | IIRC he was arrested and charged with tax evasion |
| 06:07.35 | stderr- | that was much more reflective of the war on alcohol |
| 06:08.02 | stderr- | which is an extension of the argument I was about to make: what about the war on drugs? |
| 06:08.19 | Gate | stderr-: horrifically imorral |
| 06:08.40 | stderr- | Some dude in Ogden was killed a couple years ago by some cops because they served a no-knock warrant and wandered sleepily out of his bedroom with a golf club |
| 06:08.47 | stderr- | taxes aren't the problem here |
| 06:08.51 | stderr- | everyone should be paying taxes |
| 06:08.55 | Gate | stderr-: but its the same force |
| 06:09.16 | stderr- | this drug war crap happens literally every day |
| 06:09.30 | Gate | laws, including tax laws, are simply and only kept in force by... force. |
| 06:09.31 | stderr- | you have two examples of ridiculous tax dodging |
| 06:09.31 | Gate | stderr-: I agree |
| 06:09.42 | Gate | stderr-: I know, but they were the ones that came to mind |
| 06:10.01 | stderr- | honestly I think if you have enough money (Snipes, *cough* Capone), you should be upholding that social contract |
| 06:10.21 | stderr- | you're driving on roads built by those taxes |
| 06:10.30 | stderr- | if your house catches on fire, it's not IBM putting it out |
| 06:10.36 | Gate | stderr-: how do you regard a perfectly flat tax? same percentage for everyone, no exemptions, no loopholes. |
| 06:10.44 | stderr- | Nope, not a fan of flat tax |
| 06:10.47 | Gate | why? |
| 06:10.56 | stderr- | it's amazing it's even presented |
| 06:11.11 | stderr- | given the fact that the rich are paying less than they ever have since the 20s |
| 06:11.14 | Gate | argue against it |
| 06:11.46 | stderr- | American was built on the sponsoring, by the rich, of the middle and lower class. I make a lot of money, and I pay my fair share. |
| 06:11.47 | Gate | why shouldn't we all pay an equal share for the "social contract"? Why should you pay more (proportionally) than me? |
| 06:11.58 | stderr- | And given that, both Romney and Obama are for lowering the corporate tax rate. |
| 06:12.13 | Gate | stderr-: how is your fair share a greater portion of your income than mine? |
| 06:12.27 | stderr- | Gate: I make over 250k a year |
| 06:12.37 | stderr- | and don't exploit the tax system |
| 06:12.37 | Gate | its not updated anymore, but this is the best single evidence I have against the drug war: http://www.cato.org/raidmap/ |
| 06:12.39 | lahwran | so, it's happening |
| 06:12.47 | lahwran | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/12qsdb/steam_for_linux_download/ |
| 06:12.58 | Gate | stderr-: And I think you should pay the exact same percentage of your income I do. |
| 06:13.04 | stderr- | Gate: I disagree. |
| 06:13.17 | stderr- | Take a look at the greatest growth of America |
| 06:13.22 | Gate | Yes, I make a helluva lot less than you do, but why should you be punished for that? |
| 06:13.35 | stderr- | Why is that punishment? |
| 06:13.44 | stderr- | My mother fed us on food stamps while she was in med school. |
| 06:13.48 | lahwran | you both are idiots, don't you know that taxes should be run like a charity |
| 06:13.50 | Gate | stderr-: because the product of your labor is being taken from you by force. |
| 06:14.04 | stderr- | It's not by force. |
| 06:14.12 | stderr- | The amount I'm paying is far less than I'd be paying in the 50s |
| 06:14.26 | Gate | stderr-: try not paying your taxes for a few years and then say that with a straight face. |
| 06:14.31 | stderr- | or any other period of American history except for when Hoover stripped us |
| 06:14.43 | stderr- | Gate: why would I do that? |
| 06:14.46 | Gate | yep. so? I still think its wrong that you pay a different percentage than me. |
| 06:15.00 | Gate | stderr-: is blackmail wrong? |
| 06:15.13 | Gate | is it, or is it not tantamount to the use of force? |
| 06:15.26 | stderr- | It's not blackmail with a progressive tax rate |
| 06:15.45 | Gate | stderr-: I'm saying taxes in general are, not the rate. |
| 06:15.47 | stderr- | A flat tax rate would just balloon the income inequality in this country. |
| 06:16.23 | Gate | stderr-: really? You think that taxes have more of an effect on wealth distribution than the market? |
| 06:17.27 | stderr- | What? Of course not. How has the market ever improved, ever, in any economy, income inequality? |
| 06:17.39 | stderr- | Show me anything. |
| 06:17.41 | stderr- | Ireland? |
| 06:18.02 | stderr- | The, literally, free-est economy in the world? |
| 06:18.14 | stderr- | They have income equality? |
| 06:18.23 | stderr- | Read up, please. |
| 06:18.28 | Gate | stderr-: am I arguing for equality? |
| 06:18.35 | stderr- | Why wouldn't you? |
| 06:18.51 | Gate | Because people are not equal. |
| 06:18.55 | stderr- | As a more advanced civilization, you don't think we hold some responsibilities? |
| 06:19.03 | stderr- | So if someone goes hungry, f*ck em? |
| 06:19.10 | stderr- | how about if they have cancer? |
| 06:19.26 | Gate | We have, thank God, an ability to improve ourselves. To make ourselves better. Why the hell would I do that if my wage was guaranteed? |
| 06:19.31 | stderr- | How about a communicable disease? |
| 06:19.59 | stderr- | so we don't care for anyone who isn't able to improve themselves? |
| 06:20.22 | Gate | stderr-: congratulations, your putting words into my mouth with staggering efficiency. |
| 06:20.37 | stderr- | So what do we do? |
| 06:20.39 | Gate | stderr-: who's job is it to help the poor? |
| 06:20.47 | stderr- | all of ours. |
| 06:20.47 | Gate | and how should it be done? |
| 06:21.03 | stderr- | So you're relying on private enterprises to help the poor, presumably. |
| 06:21.07 | stderr- | well "private" enterprises. |
| 06:21.11 | Gate | If I put a gun to your head, and say give a beggar a dollar, is that "right"? |
| 06:21.21 | Gate | that the charity of a thief. |
| 06:21.23 | stderr- | Are you LDS? |
| 06:21.25 | Gate | no |
| 06:21.35 | stderr- | It's not the charity of a thief. |
| 06:21.40 | stderr- | It's the social contract. |
| 06:21.54 | stderr- | Did your father build the roads he drove you from the hospital from? |
| 06:21.56 | Gate | stderr-: no, I don't rely on private enterprise, I would expect to rely on private charity. |
| 06:22.14 | stderr- | Did he hire people to guarantee that the environment you were born into was sterile? |
| 06:22.46 | stderr- | Look, at a smaller populations, the libertarian philosophy certainly works. |
| 06:22.52 | stderr- | You live in the United States. |
| 06:23.18 | Gate | Which happens to be made of these things called "states" and "counties" |
| 06:23.31 | stderr- | One second, my wife needs me. |
| 06:29.58 | Gate | Well, I need to focus on what I was supposed to be doing, so my responses will be limited after this, but I will make one closing statement |
| 06:32.01 | Gate | Yes, we must, as a society co-operate. Roads and hospitals are a neccecity. I think it is foolish to assert that only through the federal government can those goals be achieved. I think it is dangerous to provide that government with such unlimited power that it can literally tell us to buy something, and what to buy. |
| 06:33.51 | Gate | All government is based on the use of force, consider whether or not someone should have guns pointed at them if they try to sell a 17 oz. pepsi in new york, or don't want to buy government approved health-insurance. |
| 07:27.00 | Q_Continuum | Gate: How about if we kept those things to the city/county/state level? |
| 07:27.18 | Q_Continuum | Keep the 'power' local where folks can influence things. |
| 07:35.38 | Gate | Q_Continuum: I still have a problem with it, but that argument is far more theoretical than real. I just can't summon up a passionate argument against the county library or city roads |
| 07:38.29 | Gate | Q_Continuum: purely speaking I think those could be achieved with less tax burden, but at the state or local level I can argue my point or simply vote with my feet |
| 07:39.21 | Gate | for instance, I have declined to move to California several times now purely based on their government and laws |
| 07:41.16 | Q_Continuum | I have a short-list of states I won't move to. |
| 07:41.20 | Q_Continuum | Mostly gun-law-related. |
| 07:41.36 | Q_Continuum | Cali, NY, Mass, Ill, and there's a few others on the east coast |
| 07:41.41 | Gate | Q_Continuum: that is top of my list, the right to self defense and the means of self defense |
| 07:41.55 | Gate | Q_Continuum: almost my exact list, too ;) |
| 07:42.48 | Gate | I love the bay area for a few reasons, I would probably love living there. I just don't want to deal with California's laws |
| 07:52.27 | Gate | stderr-: on an earlier comment you made, if you perceive me as being ill-read, I would welcome suggestions to add to my reading list. I'm currently on Locke and Hayek |
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| 17:43.43 | goozbach | bash trick of the day: |
| 17:43.45 | goozbach | echo ${CUSTOM//\//\\\/} |
| 17:43.55 | goozbach | escape every slash in a path name |
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| 17:56.37 | youtah | https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/644117_487823614583886_1911165067_n.jpg |
| 17:56.48 | youtah | It takes all that red to pay for the blue |
| 17:57.37 | youtah | I like it goozbach |
| 17:57.38 | Migs | wat |
| 17:58.20 | Migs | why does the blue largely congregate on the coast? |
| 17:59.11 | youtah | or other major waterways |
| 17:59.15 | stderr- | it congregates in population centers. |
| 17:59.18 | youtah | they're also the oldest setteled areas |
| 18:00.11 | Migs | they need the red to pay for their old broken-down houses |
| 18:00.16 | unum | 4 years ago salt lake county was also blue |
| 18:00.18 | youtah | lol |
| 18:00.30 | youtah | unum salty water |
| 18:00.36 | Migs | Exactly what does this represent? |
| 18:00.48 | youtah | The counties that voted for Romney vs Obama |
| 18:00.53 | Migs | that's what I thought |
| 18:01.01 | unum | places where people actually live tend to vote democrat, places that more cattle than people tend to vote republican |
| 18:01.20 | unum | suburbs can be fairly republican |
| 18:01.27 | youtah | but it is interesting to think |
| 18:01.38 | youtah | all of those blue areas are highly dependant upon the red areas |
| 18:01.51 | youtah | such as corn, produce, cattle, chicken, wheat, cotton, etc |
| 18:02.15 | stderr- | I think it's a fairly symbiotic relationship... |
| 18:02.22 | fugue88 | I don't actually live where I live. |
| 18:02.29 | fugue88 | There are more cows in my house than me. |
| 18:02.31 | youtah | I'm sure if 100% of all trucking/trains/ships stopped, the farmers would get along just fine supporting themselves |
| 18:02.32 | unum | maybe less so now the us doesn't have much manufacturing |
| 18:02.41 | youtah | New York would turn into a bunch of canabals. |
| 18:02.49 | Migs | they're not already? |
| 18:02.50 | unum | youtah: they wouldn't have any vehicle or medicine |
| 18:03.00 | youtah | lol Migs |
| 18:03.33 | unum | not one single county in MA supported their former governor |
| 18:03.35 | youtah | unum they have their own doctors and vets that are not in the city. Plus they do a lot of that themselves already |
| 18:03.49 | Migs | I'm not sure what exactly that means |
| 18:03.55 | unum | youtah: they don't make the medicine |
| 18:03.56 | youtah | when the closest doctor (still in the red) is 45 minutes away |
| 18:04.05 | youtah | you've got to be able to take care of your own emergencies. |
| 18:04.18 | unum | they still don't make their own vaccines |
| 18:04.21 | youtah | But as far as antibiotics, and such, yeah, that's all grown. etc |
| 18:04.23 | youtah | in the blue |
| 18:04.25 | stderr- | Yes, all of the blue counties are just leeches on the red counties. |
| 18:04.26 | stderr- | Come on. |
| 18:04.27 | youtah | or out of country |
| 18:04.31 | stderr- | This is ridiculous. |
| 18:04.40 | unum | it's very symbiotic |
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| 18:05.11 | youtah | I'm just sayin, in an apocalypse, blue is screwed. |
| 18:06.01 | stderr- | Literally the dumbest conversation I've had in months. |
| 18:06.16 | youtah | remove yourself from the conversation and it will fix that |
| 18:06.17 | youtah | :-) |
| 18:06.21 | youtah | ducks |
| 18:06.38 | stderr- | No, please continue, this is hilarious. |
| 18:07.08 | Migs | hahaha |
| 18:07.09 | youtah | dude, we're just analyzing a map |
| 18:07.23 | youtah | stderr- you're taking it way too seriously |
| 18:07.28 | stderr- | You sound like some confederate landowner just prior to the Civil War. |
| 18:07.42 | youtah | I never said anything about Grits |
| 18:07.42 | stderr- | I'm not taking it seriously, I am literally laughing out loud. |
| 18:07.53 | romanovic | thinks someone has been watching Revolution |
| 18:08.02 | romanovic | which is an awesome show, imo |
| 18:08.09 | youtah | and how is pointing out that the blue is mostly all along the waterways funny? |
| 18:08.13 | stderr- | romanovic: watched the first couple, it was decent. |
| 18:08.42 | stderr- | youtah: that isn't funny. That's a general fact that people have known for ages. |
| 18:08.58 | stderr- | The world's population is clustered around coasts and rivers. |
| 18:09.16 | romanovic | heh, my wife stumbled into a conversation at the gym (in Cali), a couple of ladies were upset at Mormons, because they'll be hoarding all the food away from everyone and living in closed off compounds if things go south |
| 18:09.17 | stderr- | Thus, densely populated areas (that trend Democratic), are around waterways. |
| 18:09.43 | youtah | yeah, and all we're doing is analyzing the correlations between democratic majority counties and geographical locations (at least I was anyway, initially) |
| 18:09.53 | romanovic | to which she replied, she was one such food hoarder, and cordially invited them to share in our goods if anything does actually happen |
| 18:10.17 | youtah | lol romanovic |
| 18:10.59 | stderr- | romanovic: that's funny. My buddy is a developer at a food storage ecommerce site and they're on their way to having their best day of the year in sales. |
| 18:11.06 | romanovic | Wow |
| 18:11.08 | stderr- | which is both amusing and sad. |
| 18:11.08 | jima | romanovic: but then they'd have to eat MORMON FOOD |
| 18:11.25 | youtah | so you're saying buy stock in ammo? |
| 18:11.32 | goozbach | doncha know that's how they get ya |
| 18:11.43 | goozbach | cheese potatos and ham dinners |
| 18:11.51 | youtah | ~quote DOW |
| 18:12.04 | goozbach | mmmm cheese potatoes and ham |
| 18:12.15 | youtah | ~quote DJI |
| 18:12.35 | fugue88 | ~quote DJIA |
| 18:12.36 | youtah | How in the world do I get ibot to display the Dow Industrial Average? |
| 18:12.40 | fugue88 | huh |
| 18:13.22 | stderr- | yea DOW has plummeted. |
| 18:13.32 | stderr- | 2.8 percent in the first two hours |
| 18:13.38 | youtah | ~quote GOOG |
| 18:13.40 | Migs | Stupid Obama. Why didn't he do anything about that? |
| 18:13.42 | fugue88 | ~quote ^DJI |
| 18:13.57 | stderr- | mostly banks and energy companies |
| 18:14.03 | stderr- | although I think hospitals spiked dramatically |
| 18:14.16 | stderr- | due to the threat of Obamacare being repealed evaporating. |
| 18:14.43 | youtah | ~quote indexdjx |
| 18:14.51 | youtah | ~quote djx |
| 18:15.11 | youtah | ~quote INDEXDJX:DJI |
| 18:15.17 | youtah | dang |
| 18:15.18 | youtah | lol |
| 18:15.21 | youtah | I give up |
| 18:15.56 | youtah | ~quote .DJI |
| 18:16.06 | youtah | okay, now I give up |
| 18:16.20 | ezakimak | ibot is depressed about the election. |
| 18:16.53 | Q_CONTINUUM | hands ibot a bottle of vodka |
| 18:17.01 | Q_CONTINUUM | There, there ibot. |
| 18:17.10 | jima | ibot is lds, you insenstive clod! |
| 18:17.27 | tensai | virgin vodka? |
| 18:17.35 | ezakimak | one more reason for ibot to be depressed :P |
| 18:17.45 | Q_CONTINUUM | ^ lolol |
| 18:18.01 | Q_CONTINUUM | Stupid GFS. |
| 18:18.05 | ezakimak | now he has to buy healthcare for his harem |
| 18:18.18 | stderr- | >_< |
| 18:18.26 | stderr- | let's keep it civil. |
| 18:19.32 | youtah | Sweet! |
| 18:19.39 | youtah | Just another freaking awesome place to travel http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20238272 |
| 18:19.57 | ezakimak | ROFL |
| 18:20.01 | jima | i'm confused...that url says canada. |
| 18:20.06 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:20.11 | youtah | I noticed that too |
| 18:20.13 | stderr- | US/Canada News, presumably. |
| 18:20.13 | ezakimak | well, the queen owns canada |
| 18:20.15 | youtah | stupid bbc |
| 18:20.24 | Q_CONTINUUM | News category: "US & Canada" |
| 18:20.37 | jima | clearly the bbc thinks we're one and the same ;-) |
| 18:20.43 | stderr- | no reason for Puerto Rico not to be a state |
| 18:20.48 | ezakimak | not enough news in mexico to make the category North America? |
| 18:20.49 | youtah | agreed |
| 18:20.52 | harleypig | Cool! ... $25 off a Brazillian wax on AmazonLoca ... just what I was looking for. |
| 18:21.01 | stderr- | they're already U.S. Citizens, they just don't have any representation and can't vote in pres. elections. |
| 18:21.03 | ezakimak | wax on, wax off! |
| 18:21.04 | jima | i disagree with the 51st part |
| 18:21.10 | Q_CONTINUUM | ezakimak: 'Latin America' probably gets Mexico lumped in. |
| 18:21.12 | jima | everyone knows canada is the 51st state. |
| 18:21.20 | youtah | 51st and a half? |
| 18:21.21 | Q_CONTINUUM | stderr-: They also don't pay any taxes. |
| 18:21.24 | ezakimak | and all of south america too? |
| 18:21.25 | harleypig | I thought Peurto Rico was the 51st state |
| 18:21.36 | Q_CONTINUUM | ezakimak: Everyone knows SA doesn't matter. |
| 18:21.36 | ezakimak | PR will never become a state |
| 18:21.41 | Q_CONTINUUM | Or counts as 'Latin America' |
| 18:21.46 | ezakimak | Brazil has a big economy last I heard |
| 18:21.48 | harleypig | ezakimak: why not? |
| 18:21.51 | youtah | Why do you think so ezakimak? |
| 18:21.56 | ezakimak | several reasons |
| 18:22.18 | ezakimak | 1st, it's currently a common wealth, meaning they already pay fed taxes but get hardly any of the benefits in return |
| 18:22.18 | stderr- | both political parties support Puerto Rico's statehood if the population votes for it. |
| 18:22.19 | youtah | 80% voted. Obama said he will respect their vote |
| 18:22.44 | youtah | (80% of PR voted for it) |
| 18:22.46 | Q_CONTINUUM | How many OCD people are going to want more states because 51 isn't a nice round number? |
| 18:22.52 | ezakimak | 2nd, the population of PR means that if they became a state, they'd have more congressional representation than a significant majority of other states--precluding winning a 2/3rds vote to do so |
| 18:23.01 | youtah | I'm telling ya, we need to annex cuba |
| 18:23.15 | youtah | we'd have the best cigars, awesome beaches and killed auto mechanics |
| 18:23.19 | stderr- | the only hurdle is that last night during their election, Puerto Rico's governor who supports statehood was defeated by a guy who supports staying a commonwealth. |
| 18:23.21 | ezakimak | would be nice to get cuba back in good standing. used to be a great vacation spot |
| 18:23.22 | jima | Q_CONTINUUM: CDO |
| 18:23.23 | Q_CONTINUUM | youtah: Why, so we can have more classic cars from the 50's? |
| 18:23.28 | Q_CONTINUUM | jima: Thanks for correcting me. |
| 18:23.37 | jima | Q_CONTINUUM: no, it's a level thing |
| 18:23.41 | jima | CDO is more OCD than OCD |
| 18:23.44 | youtah | Q_CONTINUUM exactly |
| 18:24.01 | jima | you have to be CDO to care about the roundness of the number of states |
| 18:24.05 | youtah | killed >> killer |
| 18:24.06 | harleypig | Pennsylvannia is a commonwealth |
| 18:24.10 | youtah | just saw my typo |
| 18:24.16 | ezakimak | so is guam |
| 18:24.20 | ezakimak | iirc |
| 18:24.31 | harleypig | guam's not a state |
| 18:24.33 | youtah | okay, forget cuba, how about the bahamas? |
| 18:24.33 | ezakimak | and several other islands |
| 18:24.44 | youtah | we need it to be 52 |
| 18:24.55 | Q_CONTINUUM | Canadia is 51. PR can be 52. |
| 18:25.01 | harleypig | no ... we need to get rid of 8 states |
| 18:25.04 | Q_CONTINUUM | We must reserve 51 for Canadia! |
| 18:25.10 | ezakimak | why would the queen give us canada? it's her largest land mass |
| 18:25.12 | youtah | harleypig NJ? |
| 18:25.12 | stderr- | Pennsylvania / Kentucky / Massachusetts are all commonwealths, but it has a different meaning. |
| 18:25.20 | harleypig | youtah: and california |
| 18:25.26 | Q_CONTINUUM | harleypig: Just so we can have 42? |
| 18:25.29 | harleypig | though ... we need more politicians like Christie |
| 18:25.34 | harleypig | Q_CONTINUUM: yep |
| 18:25.48 | youtah | chubby? okay, I'm fine with that |
| 18:25.53 | youtah | I'm well on my way there |
| 18:25.57 | youtah | (as well) |
| 18:26.09 | Q_CONTINUUM | How about we merge small crappy east-coast states? |
| 18:26.13 | harleypig | youtah: if chubby makes a good politician then I'm a *great* one! |
| 18:26.14 | jima | ezakimak: uhm, england didn't "give" us the US |
| 18:26.35 | youtah | excellent harleypig! I had chocolate covered peanut clusters this morning for breakfast |
| 18:26.48 | ezakimak | well, everyone suggesting canada become a state, they expecting us to fight the UK for it? |
| 18:26.49 | Q_CONTINUUM | Get the Southern States riled up that Canadia isn't going to keep selling them maple syrup, and within a week we'll have annexed Canadia. |
| 18:26.51 | harleypig | youtah: :D |
| 18:27.12 | ezakimak | i didn't realize canada was the only source of maple syrup |
| 18:27.25 | youtah | *sigh* my dr told me I need to see a nutritionist this week. |
| 18:27.25 | Q_CONTINUUM | They're not. But they're a big one. |
| 18:27.33 | Q_CONTINUUM | THEY HAVE A STRATEGIC MAPLE SYRUP RESERVE |
| 18:27.39 | youtah | +1 |
| 18:27.43 | Q_CONTINUUM | THEY'RE HOARDING THE MAPLE SYRUP |
| 18:27.44 | fugue88 | So, we should bomb them? |
| 18:27.50 | Q_CONTINUUM | Yes. |
| 18:27.53 | harleypig | Seriously considering moving to Colorado |
| 18:27.54 | youtah | WTFreak do we not have a maple reserve? |
| 18:27.58 | ezakimak | maple syrup is not a part of a healthy diet... |
| 18:28.11 | Q_CONTINUUM | It IS part of a delicious one. |
| 18:28.12 | youtah | it comes from trees |
| 18:28.15 | ezakimak | lol |
| 18:28.16 | youtah | therefore it's a fruit |
| 18:28.20 | ezakimak | LOL |
| 18:28.22 | Q_CONTINUUM | lolol |
| 18:28.25 | harleypig | maple syrup is a fruit! :> |
| 18:28.26 | jima | ezakimak: easy, we just need to remind the UK of what happened the last time they resisted. |
| 18:28.30 | harleypig | s/>/D/ |
| 18:28.35 | ezakimak | last time they didn't have james bond |
| 18:28.50 | jima | last time we didn't have chuck norris. </obligatory> |
| 18:28.54 | ezakimak | hehe |
| 18:28.55 | Q_CONTINUUM | IF maple syrup isn't a fruit then we're vampires for drinking the tree's blood. |
| 18:29.04 | harleypig | We'd have to divide Canada though ... we don't want Quebec |
| 18:29.14 | jima | harleypig: hell no. good point. france. |
| 18:29.14 | Q_CONTINUUM | chuck norris is real. james bond isn't. |
| 18:29.25 | ezakimak | we already have to deal with spanish speakers. we don't need french also |
| 18:29.31 | jima | quebec is more like france than england anyway. |
| 18:29.38 | harleypig | Chuck Norris is over 70 |
| 18:29.41 | Q_CONTINUUM | Meh, make quebec a garbage dump/bombing range/test site |
| 18:29.50 | eightyeight | james bond doesn't age? |
| 18:30.00 | youtah | alright, I'm bailing on the convo, getting too distracted |
| 18:30.05 | jima | me too. |
| 18:30.05 | Q_CONTINUUM | He's like The Doctor, he just regenerates into a new 'body' |
| 18:30.08 | ezakimak | i never got why in mlb the "national" league was in fact international... |
| 18:30.08 | harleypig | eightyeight: nope, he transplants himself into new bodies. |
| 18:30.10 | eightyeight | heh |
| 18:30.22 | eightyeight | so, he's hindu |
| 18:30.24 | eightyeight | got it |
| 18:30.36 | ezakimak | when he kills time, it stays dead. |
| 18:32.11 | unum | most maple syrup comes from corn |
| 18:32.29 | unum | corn that has been rotted with a genitically engineereed form of bacteria |
| 18:32.39 | unum | so it's a vegetable! |
| 18:32.45 | ezakimak | no, corn is a grain |
| 18:32.48 | unum | true |
| 18:33.19 | fugue88 | unum: That's "maple-flavored syrup". |
| 18:33.25 | fugue88 | gags |
| 18:33.49 | ezakimak | you know, utah doesn't ban all alcohol sales. you can get 180 proof in the grocery store every day of the week |
| 18:33.54 | eightyeight | high fructose corn maple syrup |
| 18:34.15 | ezakimak | tastes like vanilla though. |
| 18:34.45 | Q_CONTINUUM | huh? |
| 18:35.19 | harleypig | Q_CONTINUUM: extracts have a high alchohol content |
| 18:35.34 | fugue88 | Like, vanilla extract. |
| 18:36.20 | harleypig | one of my teenagers, on a dare drank a whole (2 oz?) bottle of vanilla. |
| 18:36.35 | ezakimak | the real extract or the artificial flavored stuff? |
| 18:36.45 | fugue88 | Both, I think. |
| 18:36.58 | ezakimak | the artificial doesn't have nearly the alcohol content iirct |
| 18:36.58 | ezakimak | iirc |
| 18:37.03 | fugue88 | ezakimak: nm, I misunderstood. |
| 18:37.09 | harleypig | She said she couldnt' smell anything vanilla for two days. |
| 18:37.17 | harleypig | s/anything/anything but/ |
| 18:37.19 | ezakimak | sensory overload |
| 18:37.26 | ezakimak | hehe |
| 18:37.40 | ezakimak | that is kinda funny. |
| 18:37.44 | harleypig | and all she got out of it was a screaming headache |
| 18:37.51 | ezakimak | i bet. hang over. |
| 18:38.05 | harleypig | I laughed so hard ... she was offended that i didn't have any sympathy for her. :> |
| 18:38.38 | ezakimak | she can't hold her liquor. |
| 18:38.49 | ezakimak | that's equiv. to about a single shot of tequila or vodka |
| 18:39.15 | harleypig | ezakimak: oh, she didn't get drunk or anything ... I suspect the overload caused the headache |
| 18:39.31 | ezakimak | probably |
| 18:39.41 | harleypig | because the headache came on within 30 minutes or so of drinking it |
| 18:39.44 | ezakimak | some extracts/oils are toxic in high doses |
| 18:39.58 | harleypig | yeah |
| 18:40.06 | ezakimak | eg peppermint is neurotoxic |
| 18:40.31 | ezakimak | it's a natural antibacterial |
| 18:40.37 | ezakimak | also works good to keep mice away |
| 18:41.06 | eightyeight | peppermint and spearmint are great mice deterrents |
| 18:41.09 | eightyeight | ... er, yeag |
| 18:41.10 | eightyeight | h |
| 18:41.12 | eightyeight | heh |
| 18:41.23 | ezakimak | i sprinkle peppermint leaves in my pantry |
| 18:41.40 | ezakimak | you can also reportedly use drops of the oil |
| 18:42.15 | eightyeight | i grew them along a border fence of my property, where a neighbor had a poorly kept garden |
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| 19:03.34 | youtah | goozbach I made a function called slashme in my .bashrc file |
| 19:03.56 | youtah | and changed CUSTOM=$1 |
| 19:04.18 | goozbach | glad I could help |
| 19:04.31 | youtah | moreso for kicks and giggles |
| 19:04.41 | youtah | but it is useful |
| 19:08.18 | youtah | DANGIT ALL OF YOU, I'm wigged out about where the 51st star would go now |
| 19:08.37 | Q_CONTINUUM | hahaha |
| 19:08.43 | Q_CONTINUUM | When you figure it out let us know |
| 19:09.07 | Q_CONTINUUM | WE CAN'T ADD ANOTHER STAR TO THE FLAG, PR CAN'T BECOME A STATE. IT WOULD MAKE THE FLAG LAYOUT NOT PATTERNED |
| 19:09.22 | Q_CONTINUUM | Also we'd have to have a massive flag-burning ceremony |
| 19:09.40 | Q_CONTINUUM | IT WOULD GIVE A HUGE KICK TO (CHINA'S) ECONOMY AS WE ALL BOUGHT NEW FLAGS |
| 19:10.12 | youtah | lol |
| 19:10.27 | Migs | They should just sell star stickers that you can stick on the flags |
| 19:10.32 | Migs | That would be much cheaper |
| 19:11.27 | Migs | It is kind of stupid, though. 50 is a nice round number. 51 just screws it all up. |
| 19:12.30 | Q_CONTINUUM | THIS IS THE US-STATE-THUNDERDOME. |
| 19:12.35 | Q_CONTINUUM | THERE IS A LIMIT OF 50. |
| 19:12.39 | Q_CONTINUUM | FOR ONE TO ENTER, ONE MUST DIE |
| 19:14.49 | ezakimak | or merge |
| 19:15.05 | harleypig | neurotoxic |
| 19:15.06 | ezakimak | why does RI have to be a state? |
| 19:15.10 | Q_CONTINUUM | well one must cease being a state |
| 19:15.11 | ezakimak | it ought to be a county |
| 19:15.11 | harleypig | feh |
| 19:15.14 | Migs | and why do we have Virginia AND West Virginia? |
| 19:15.17 | harleypig | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVMziCNFF1I |
| 19:15.19 | Q_CONTINUUM | New Jersey |
| 19:15.27 | Q_CONTINUUM | Migs: Because Civil War, IIRC |
| 19:15.39 | ezakimak | there ought to be a minimum population for statehood |
| 19:15.49 | Migs | We should just declare Canada a state. Maybe we can divide up the territories then and bring the total up to 60. |
| 19:16.04 | ezakimak | 64 would be better: 8x8 |
| 19:16.08 | Migs | ezakimak++ |
| 19:16.20 | Migs | What are the Canucks going to do? Send a moose stampede at our army? |
| 19:16.42 | Migs | actually, that would be pretty dangerous |
| 19:16.51 | ezakimak | no, but they could throw empty rolls of duct tape |
| 19:17.04 | ezakimak | has watched too much red green show lately |
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| 20:01.42 | harleypig | 51 is prime number |
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| 20:04.53 | Q_CONTINUUM | NOW MAKE IT LOOK GOOD ON THE FLAG |
| 20:05.26 | ezakimak | 51 is not prime |
| 20:05.45 | ezakimak | factors are 3 and 17 |
| 20:07.18 | ezakimak | just merge RI as a county w/another state and it makes room. :) |
| 20:08.43 | ezakimak | heh. RI isn't even the smallest by population. who knew. |
| 20:09.05 | ezakimak | it beats out alaska! the irony. |
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| 20:13.40 | mahelious | merge delaware and maryland, ri and connecticut, and split california in two. |
| 20:15.44 | harleypig | ezakimak: no no ... 51 is a prime ... it must be, it ends with 1. :> |
| 20:16.18 | ezakimak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population |
| 20:16.46 | ezakimak | wy, dc, vermont, nd, sd, and ak are all tiny |
| 20:17.30 | ezakimak | merge ak and wa states, call it walaska. |
| 20:18.16 | harleypig | Merge Alaska and Hawaii ... they're really close on the map ... call it Alwaii |
| 20:18.27 | ezakimak | merge montana and wy |
| 20:18.52 | ezakimak | hawaii can never be accused of being close to anything--it's the most remote place on the planet |
| 20:19.05 | ezakimak | why people live there... ? |
| 20:19.09 | ezakimak | :) |
| 20:19.42 | harleypig | ezakimak: no, Bouvet Island is the most remote island |
| 20:19.45 | ezakimak | woa. just noticed there's a moscow in idaho |
| 20:19.50 | ezakimak | where's that? |
| 20:20.00 | harleypig | North of us |
| 20:20.06 | Q_CONTINUUM | Uhhhh Alaska isn't "small" |
| 20:20.14 | ezakimak | not land wise. people wise |
| 20:20.26 | Q_CONTINUUM | While we're at it lets merge California and New York |
| 20:20.34 | ezakimak | that makes no sense |
| 20:20.35 | Q_CONTINUUM | Then it can be one state of clusterfuck on two coasts |
| 20:20.42 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:20.46 | Q_CONTINUUM | Alaska and Washington have nothing in common either |
| 20:20.47 | ezakimak | but it already is--they balance out the continent |
| 20:21.17 | Q_CONTINUUM | You could split Alaska in *two* and both would still be physically bigger than Texas. |
| 20:21.26 | ezakimak | yes, |
| 20:21.32 | ezakimak | but it's already the 5th smallest state population wise |
| 20:21.40 | Q_CONTINUUM | I would look at the Dakotas, stuff on the east coast |
| 20:21.58 | harleypig | We need to circumsize Florida |
| 20:22.02 | Q_CONTINUUM | lol |
| 20:22.04 | ezakimak | hehe |
| 20:22.17 | ezakimak | ROFL |
| 20:22.31 | Q_CONTINUUM | "This is no longer Florida, it is now the Geriatric Resort Penninsula, and is no longer a state." |
| 20:22.49 | Q_CONTINUUM | "If you move here, you cannot vote in national elections." |
| 20:26.18 | harleypig | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_African-American_population ... So, ummm ... where's the list of US States by (some other 'race') population? |
| 20:26.33 | ezakimak | that's just lame |
| 20:26.41 | ezakimak | i'm w/whoever the comedian was |
| 20:27.01 | ezakimak | "african-american". they're just *Americans* |
| 20:27.18 | eightyeight | harleypig: +1 |
| 20:27.27 | eightyeight | harleypig: yay for reverse racism! |
| 20:27.54 | ezakimak | every american (save for natives) came from a foreign descent |
| 20:27.55 | rsimpkins | State problem solved: Add PR, 51. Add Afghanistan, 52. Add Mexico, 53. Texas will leave, 52. California will fall in to ocean, 51. Utah will float up in to sky, 50. |
| 20:28.11 | ezakimak | nice |
| 20:28.46 | ezakimak | just remove warning labels and the population iq will rise and the next few elections will improve |
| 20:29.52 | Q_CONTINUUM | the problem is IQ is a curve, so it will rise until its recalculated. |
| 20:29.54 | rsimpkins | When texas leaves, I fully expect a big fence be built around the state... with armed men shooting anyone who tries to cross it. |
| 20:29.56 | harleypig | ezakimak: even native americans came from somewhere else |
| 20:30.06 | ezakimak | from where? |
| 20:30.31 | ezakimak | across the bering? |
| 20:30.54 | harleypig | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usaggeh6KW8 ... They are very carefully not mentioning the race of the beaters ... welcome to another 4 years of escalating race based attacks |
| 20:31.05 | ezakimak | sure, but then the same can be said for most of europe if you wanna go back far enough |
| 20:31.05 | harleypig | ezakimak: depends on what you believe |
| 20:31.17 | harleypig | ezakimak: exactly my point |
| 20:31.41 | ezakimak | so, the question is how far back do you go to identify race distinctions |
| 20:31.49 | harleypig | we (humans) have been taking and retaking plots of land for at least 6000 years |
| 20:31.52 | ezakimak | clearly there are races |
| 20:32.01 | harleypig | ezakimak: You don't. We're all humans. |
| 20:32.04 | ezakimak | our species is no different than others |
| 20:32.12 | rsimpkins | ezakimak: "American" isn't a race, last I checked. Though maybe some day it will be. |
| 20:32.25 | ezakimak | Native American sure as hell is a race |
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| 20:32.36 | ezakimak | it's also an ethnicity |
| 20:32.51 | ezakimak | (the two are independent, of course, but sometimes tied) |
| 20:33.39 | ezakimak | but that kind of strengthens the original point |
| 20:33.51 | ezakimak | that "African-American" is not a race. The race would be "African" |
| 20:33.51 | rsimpkins | I like the term aboriginal better, just my $.02. |
| 20:33.56 | ezakimak | of African descent |
| 20:34.18 | ezakimak | esp. in light of saying that there is no "American" race |
| 20:34.26 | harleypig | ezakimak: actually, african would be inaccurate |
| 20:34.27 | ezakimak | "African-American" would mean a mix |
| 20:35.45 | ezakimak | well, they're all inaccurate to some extent, i think that's the real point we all agree on |
| 20:36.20 | ezakimak | just think of what people us the term "Asian" for |
| 20:36.21 | harleypig | what we need is an invasion by an alien race ... either we pull our collective heads out of our collective asses or we get subjugated |
| 20:36.22 | ezakimak | and not for |
| 20:36.24 | harleypig | or eaten |
| 20:36.49 | rsimpkins | I don't know that it matters much, but to each their own. I guess I like all cultures, ethnicities, and backgrounds and see them overlap rather than be distinct. |
| 20:36.55 | ezakimak | "Asian" includes many races, yet we generally only use it for *orientals* |
| 20:37.35 | ezakimak | race != ethnicity |
| 20:37.59 | ezakimak | both can and do overlap sometimes |
| 20:38.11 | ezakimak | especially the more the world travels and intermingles |
| 20:38.39 | ezakimak | but a majority of people have a predominant race (or races) in their genes |
| 20:39.03 | ezakimak | it really doesn't *mean* anything, it just is |
| 20:42.04 | harleypig | woah ... Bouvet Island has its own tld ... .bv |
| 20:42.22 | harleypig | But, it's kind of a useless tld, just like the island itself. |
| 20:50.02 | ezakimak | hey, that's where my secret lair is hidden |
| 20:50.09 | ezakimak | right under the volcano |
| 20:50.56 | harleypig | It's not so secret any more now is it. |
| 20:51.06 | harleypig | Plus ... how would you get to it wtshtf? |
| 20:51.18 | ezakimak | the moat has sharks with laser beams |
| 20:51.27 | harleypig | mounted or embedded? |
| 20:51.34 | ezakimak | both. take no chances |
| 20:51.43 | ezakimak | and they have jet packs |
| 20:51.47 | harleypig | wow |
| 20:51.47 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:52.00 | harleypig | soooo ... flying sharks with lazer beams |
| 20:52.01 | ezakimak | :) |
| 20:52.04 | ezakimak | yep. |
| 20:52.25 | harleypig | http://random-thoughts-from-here.blogspot.com/2008/04/government-attaching-laser-beams-to.html |
| 20:52.53 | ezakimak | the intrusion system merely sprays a mist of warm blood on intrudors. |
| 20:53.05 | ezakimak | the sharks do the rest |
| 20:54.02 | harleypig | That would put them into a feeding frenzy ... how would you replenish your supply? |
| 20:54.35 | ezakimak | wow. didn't they make a movie about that stuff? |
| 20:54.49 | ezakimak | supply of blood? or intrudors to feed them with? |
| 20:55.25 | harleypig | supply of sharks |
| 20:55.31 | ezakimak | easy, just do an email blast "you've won a free secluded island vacation!" |
| 20:55.32 | harleypig | they'll eat each other in the frenzy |
| 20:55.53 | harleypig | ... what was the name of that movie with the trained dolphin ... |
| 20:55.56 | ezakimak | hrm. i'll breed smarter sharks |
| 20:56.01 | ezakimak | willy? |
| 20:56.03 | ezakimak | free willy |
| 20:56.12 | harleypig | no, that was an orca |
| 20:56.13 | ezakimak | or do you mean flipper |
| 20:56.26 | harleypig | no, 'the government' trained a dolphin to plant bombs ... |
| 20:56.41 | harleypig | even at 8 years old I thought it was a stupid movie ... but I love stupid movies. |
| 20:56.43 | ezakimak | thought that's what navy seals were for |
| 20:57.21 | Q_CONTINUUM | The Seals are above that now, they command dolphins, DUH |
| 20:57.28 | ezakimak | i do think training rats to sniff out landmines is a brilliant idea though |
| 20:57.41 | ezakimak | ic, so the dolphins are the underwater version of drones |
| 20:57.47 | Q_CONTINUUM | Why do the work yourself when you can become a manager and get someone ELSE do the dirty work? |
| 20:57.53 | ezakimak | yep |
| 20:57.55 | Q_CONTINUUM | to do* |
| 20:58.05 | ezakimak | they should train a flock of royal albatross |
| 20:58.09 | ezakimak | they can carry a payload |
| 20:58.10 | harleypig | The Day of the Dolphin |
| 20:58.12 | Q_CONTINUUM | Also if a dolphin blows up underwater you don't have to tell anyone. |
| 20:58.19 | Q_CONTINUUM | If a Navy Seal dies, that gets reported. |
| 20:58.24 | ezakimak | sometimes |
| 20:58.28 | harleypig | Not always |
| 20:58.35 | Q_CONTINUUM | Well the dude is still dead |
| 20:58.38 | Q_CONTINUUM | and the family knows |
| 20:58.47 | harleypig | If he has family |
| 20:58.51 | ezakimak | "killed in a training excercise" is what they're told |
| 20:58.56 | jima | 13:58 < Q_CONTINUUM> Why do the work yourself when you can become a manager and get someone ELSE do the dirty work? |
| 20:59.01 | jima | GET BACK TO DOING MY DIRTY WORK |
| 20:59.02 | Q_CONTINUUM | ohshit |
| 20:59.04 | Q_CONTINUUM | lol |
| 20:59.23 | ezakimak | i have a friend that was black ops. paratrooper sniper |
| 20:59.28 | ezakimak | he got injured on a mission |
| 20:59.42 | ezakimak | because on the books it was listed as a "training exercise", he got zero benefits to cover his injury |
| 20:59.44 | jima | chris? |
| 21:00.02 | Q_CONTINUUM | wrong channel for that joke to make sense. |
| 21:00.04 | ezakimak | that is a huge injustice |
| 21:00.15 | Q_CONTINUUM | ezakimak: Srsly they don't cover training exercise injuries? |
| 21:00.18 | Q_CONTINUUM | Fuck that noise. |
| 21:00.26 | ezakimak | aparently not |
| 21:00.50 | harleypig | yeah ... training accidents are usually human error |
| 21:00.53 | ezakimak | the guy is seriously bada$$ too. got a congressional medal for rescuing some POWs |
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| 21:01.41 | ezakimak | if we don't care for our own what have we come to? |
| 21:01.57 | ezakimak | esp. the guys that take on the even larger risks! |
| 21:06.55 | youtah | 51 stars = 6 rows of alternating 9 and 8 |
| 21:15.03 | Migs | that's just WEIRD |
| 21:15.31 | Migs | I DON'T LIKE CHANGE. Why do you think I'm a REPUBLICAN? |
| 21:17.08 | Q_CONTINUUM | You don't like change? We'll just round your bills up to the nearest dollar, thousand, ten thousand, etc since you don't like change, sir! |
| 21:17.16 | Q_CONTINUUM | chuckles |
| 21:18.16 | ezakimak | good one :) |
| 21:18.21 | Gate | hopes obama leaves him some change |
| 21:18.33 | ezakimak | obama leaving would be a good change |
| 21:20.45 | Gate | ezakimak: eek, and get biden? |
| 21:21.14 | ezakimak | well if he leaves before swearing in for the 2nd term doesn't it go to the runner up? |
| 21:22.00 | Migs | so there's still time? |
| 21:31.48 | Gate | there is never enough time. Isn't that what special relativity taught us? |
| 21:32.16 | Q_CONTINUUM | OMG WE ARE OUT OF TIEEEEM |
| 21:32.18 | harleypig | or, more than enough time |
| 21:32.31 | harleypig | as long as it happens before time is up |
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| 21:50.18 | Migs | "I passed three abortions and a gay wedding on my way to work this morning." |
| 21:52.48 | Q_CONTINUUM | gasps |
| 21:54.54 | ezakimak | 4 couples exercising population control |
| 21:55.41 | Q_CONTINUUM | REDUCING YOUR FUTURE TAX BURDEN! |
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| 22:14.10 | Gate | Migs: how do you "pass an abortion"? Are they doing this in the street? |
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| 22:14.52 | Gate | or do you meander through an abortion clinic munching on your breakfast and waving to the doctor? |
| 22:16.08 | Q_CONTINUUM | That doubles as a chapel |
| 22:18.13 | ezakimak | he didn't specify the species--it could have been the vet spaying cats |
| 22:33.44 | Gate | ezakimak: I would find it difficult to classify that as an abortion.... |
| 22:34.08 | ezakimak | spaying a cat that's pregnant is called an abortion when they bill you |
| 22:38.03 | Gate | ah |
| 22:41.46 | Gate | so was it a cat wedding too? |
| 22:42.23 | Gate | we need to crack down on same sex feline marriages. They are a threat to american families everywhere. |
| 22:43.00 | Tene | I'm pretty sure that if one more gay dude marries another gay dude, my marriage will collapse. |
| 22:43.04 | Tene | I heard it on TV. |
| 22:44.33 | Gate | Just too much pressure for people to handle! |
| 22:45.03 | ezakimak | i don't understand why straights are so concerned about gay marriage. why not let them be just as miserable. ;) |
| 22:45.24 | Q_CONTINUUM | ^ |
| 22:47.40 | ezakimak | by definition they are already removed from the gene pool--thus no competition for offspring survival |
| 22:48.58 | Tene | ezakimak: I judge my personal success by the united states government's recognition of my ownership of my wife; if gays can use the same word, then it retroactively changes my own marriage. |
| 22:49.14 | Gate | the wey I see it, gay marriage is feared by those who fear that *their* children are gay and that allowing the behavior legitimizes it for their own kids |
| 22:49.27 | ezakimak | imo marriage should not even be defined by the state--it's a function of religion |
| 22:49.54 | Gate | My mother has repeately told me that her problem with it is that gays don't reproduce they "recruit" |
| 22:49.59 | ezakimak | and what does your wife think about you "owning" her? |
| 22:50.23 | ezakimak | how's that any worse than religions? |
| 22:50.29 | Gate | ezakimak: I think it is the function of the individual, through their religion or lack thereof |
| 22:50.39 | Tene | ezakimak: I'm satirically proposing an exaggerated caricature of a viewpoint I disagree with. |
| 22:51.00 | ezakimak | reductio absurdem? |
| 22:51.47 | Tene | ezakimak: I don't come to IRC for reasoned legitimate debate. |
| 22:51.48 | Gate | You know the rule: there is no parody so extreme that someone won't mistake it for reality. |
| 22:52.02 | ezakimak | hehe |
| 22:52.20 | ezakimak | just got my afternoon chuckle. thanks Tene |
| 22:52.37 | Tene | although if you really want to know the details of my private life, feel free to /msg |
| 22:52.45 | ezakimak | well, the amusing thing is some people actually think that way about their wife(s) |
| 22:53.05 | ezakimak | and the gov't |
| 22:53.14 | ezakimak | a lot of people seem to be externally validated |
| 22:53.36 | ezakimak | they need the law to agree w/their morals to feel justified and "right" |
| 22:55.59 | macnewbold | i agree with the point about the meaning of marriage being decided by the person's religion - i strongly disagree with gov't thinking they have the right to redefine words willy nilly |
| 22:56.52 | macnewbold | if gov't wants to allow for something for LGBT community, great, go for it, but that doesn't mean you can misappropriate words like marriage for it |
| 22:59.51 | ezakimak | i really don't think the word marriage should be anywhere in the law books, other than a placeholder "as defined by the individual" |
| 23:00.42 | ezakimak | the only place it is really used is for custody, tax law, and next-of-kin matters, which could all use a different, more generic term |
| 23:01.35 | ezakimak | since there's supposedly no tax benefit to being married vs single and cohabitating, i see no reason for it to be used anyways re tax law |
| 23:02.07 | ezakimak | call it what it should be in tax law--a fiscal partnership |
| 23:02.49 | ezakimak | since taxes are just about money--not how/why/reason for two people to consider themselves related |
