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| 14:55.59 | youtah | Buenos |
| 14:56.35 | youtah | Tiger Direct, OCZ 120GB SSD for $59. |
| 14:57.58 | programmerq | ooOOoo |
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| 14:58.11 | programmerq | just might have to do that one... |
| 14:58.13 | youtah | I wish I had not seen this mailer http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/WEM3266.asp?SRCCODE=WEM3266TT&cm_mmc=EML-_-Main-_-WEM3266-_-tigeremail3266&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3266 |
| 14:58.43 | youtah | (i removed my email address from the url :-) ) |
| 14:59.13 | youtah | Maybe now' |
| 14:59.16 | youtah | Maybe now' |
| 14:59.18 | youtah | ah |
| 14:59.23 | programmerq | I like how #3 on there has a picture of a mechanical drive, but the description says solid state |
| 14:59.29 | youtah | Maybe now's the time to make the jump and upgrade my machine |
| 14:59.35 | programmerq | oh, it's a hybrid drive |
| 15:00.24 | Jayce^ | resurrected my dead box with a cheap ssd among other things, way faster |
| 15:00.33 | programmerq | yeah, I've been itching to do a build. |
| 15:00.41 | youtah | well, I'm stuck with DDR2 on my mobo for editing photos |
| 15:00.46 | youtah | and maxed out at 8GB of RAM |
| 15:00.48 | programmerq | my last computer desktop build was in 2003 (upgraded several times since then) |
| 15:00.55 | programmerq | but my motherboard on it is totally shot. need to replace the caps |
| 15:01.03 | Jayce^ | youtah, my wifes is like that, 4gb max :( |
| 15:01.04 | youtah | have you tried buying DDR2 RAM lately? Ouch! |
| 15:01.04 | programmerq | but I still want to just get a new computer... |
| 15:01.16 | Jayce^ | was planning on replacing hers, then my main linux box went out |
| 15:01.25 | youtah | So I would want/need a new MoBo/RAM/CPU |
| 15:01.31 | Jayce^ | she figured it was higher priority because it runs sickbeard for her :) |
| 15:01.41 | youtah | lol |
| 15:02.08 | programmerq | someone was trying to tell me that amd drivers work better than they used to... anyone here that can back that up? |
| 15:02.41 | manithree | programmerq: the FLOSS or AMD binaries? |
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| 15:02.53 | youtah | How can I NOT afford to buy this? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3295681&sku=M452-8405 |
| 15:03.14 | youtah | although it would eat up one of my nice 2.0 PCIe slots |
| 15:03.23 | fadein | whoa |
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| 15:03.45 | fadein | my video card must blow if this $10 jobby can smoke it |
| 15:03.52 | youtah | lol |
| 15:03.55 | programmerq | manithree: either |
| 15:04.00 | programmerq | I've had bad experiences with both |
| 15:04.10 | youtah | I'm editing photos/video with onboard |
| 15:04.13 | programmerq | I'm guessing I'd need to use the binaries if I want to game |
| 15:04.16 | fadein | come to think of it, my VGA is the only piece of my original computer that's still kicking |
| 15:04.41 | youtah | Thoughts on LGA1155? |
| 15:05.01 | manithree | The AMD binary drivers work well for me. The OSS (RadeonHD driver I think) was pretty flaky on my FirePro V4800 |
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| 15:05.25 | youtah | I'm thinking full form ATX this time, and no more of this mid-tower stuff |
| 15:06.09 | programmerq | manithree: are you running two monitors on yours? |
| 15:06.18 | programmerq | two displayport monitors? |
| 15:06.33 | Jayce^ | youtah: I just set this up: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119260 |
| 15:06.38 | Jayce^ | amazing case :) |
| 15:07.55 | Q_Continuum | I'm loving the look/design/noise-level of the Fractal Designs cases, I don't have one yet but considering it for my next build. |
| 15:07.57 | manithree | 2 monitors, 1 DVI, 1 display port. That reminds me it did takes some fiddling to get that to work, but it wasn't bad. |
| 15:08.04 | Q_Continuum | I'm trying to hold out til this fall when AMD launches new chips across-the-board |
| 15:08.21 | Q_Continuum | is also on an AM2/AM2+ DDR2 board with an AM3 quad-core in it |
| 15:08.33 | youtah | Shiznits Jayce^! Looks awesome, but this machine will be hidden :-( I also need it to have extreme cooling. |
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| 15:08.36 | Q_Continuum | Running Windows due to games. |
| 15:08.40 | programmerq | horrible that it takes fiddling to get dual monitors going... |
| 15:08.52 | programmerq | I've actually been liking one of the amd CPUs |
| 15:09.02 | Q_Continuum | youtah: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007583%2050014581&IsNodeId=1&name=Fractal%20Design |
| 15:09.04 | fadein | tigerdirect-- |
| 15:09.06 | programmerq | lemme grab a link |
| 15:09.16 | fadein | password can't be longer than 12 chars |
| 15:09.17 | manithree | It actually worked oob, but my 30 inch monitor insisted on running at the same res as my 24 inch monitor for a while. |
| 15:09.24 | fadein | "who's not hashing that data?" |
| 15:09.28 | Q_Continuum | I don't know about the Core 1000/3000, but the rest are stupid-quiet |
| 15:09.46 | youtah | Thx Q_Continuum |
| 15:10.02 | programmerq | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961 - this looks like it's the better bang for the buck in this price range compared to intel |
| 15:10.41 | Q_Continuum | Yeah |
| 15:10.50 | Q_Continuum | I'd spend the $30 to bump that a half-gigahertz though. |
| 15:11.07 | Q_Continuum | to the FX-8150 |
| 15:11.16 | programmerq | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103960 - yeah I was thinking the same thing. |
| 15:11.31 | Q_Continuum | Although there is a $15 promo gift card with the 8120 |
| 15:11.33 | Q_Continuum | so its $45 |
| 15:11.58 | Q_Continuum | if building a PC with that chip, order chip - free shipping - get gift card 1-3 days later, use gift card on rest of parts order :-D |
| 15:13.14 | Jayce^ | I was deciding between the 8-core bulldozers and the i5 at my price point |
| 15:13.21 | youtah | Have you used the FX-8150 personally? |
| 15:13.26 | Jayce^ | wound up going i5, overall slightly faster, even on multi-core stuff |
| 15:13.33 | youtah | it's got a full 5/5 eggs |
| 15:13.36 | Jayce^ | and significantly better power usage |
| 15:14.03 | programmerq | Jayce^: which i5 did you get? |
| 15:14.08 | youtah | I was thinking about going with an i5 but leaving room for upgrading to the i7 later |
| 15:14.53 | fadein | youtah: I've got the FX-8120 - awesome |
| 15:15.47 | fadein | dunno if the extra .5GHz would be noticeable - it's hard to peg that thing |
| 15:16.15 | fadein | Compared to my old 2-core system, I can `emerge --update @world` in 1/10th the time |
| 15:16.30 | programmerq | fadein: can you peg it while playing any games? |
| 15:16.51 | Jayce^ | programmerq: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 |
| 15:17.02 | fadein | I'm not a big gamer, and I don't think the few I play are multithreaded |
| 15:17.11 | fadein | I'll peg maybe one of the cores at most |
| 15:17.18 | Jayce^ | I wanted the i7, but couldn't afford it right now.. |
| 15:17.23 | fadein | but, as I mentioned before, my VGA is likely the bottleneck |
| 15:17.25 | Jayce^ | but I have full support for it if I wanted to |
| 15:17.51 | programmerq | Jayce^: yeah that definitely looks like a better processor, but is definitely more expensive than the FX-8150. :) |
| 15:18.03 | youtah | yeah |
| 15:18.09 | youtah | way to let me down Jayce^ |
| 15:18.15 | youtah | ;-) |
| 15:18.27 | Jayce^ | the set I got it in was near the same price as the amd, just had a slightly smaller SSD |
| 15:18.56 | emcnabb | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 15:18.56 | ibot | pries Jayce^'s back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to Jayce^ |
| 15:19.12 | Jayce^ | who let emcnabb in here? |
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| 15:19.43 | emcnabb | oh no |
| 15:19.46 | Jayce^ | :-D |
| 15:20.08 | emcnabb | Jayce^, I'm sorry for all those things I said about you |
| 15:20.15 | Jayce^ | no, no you aren't |
| 15:20.15 | emcnabb | I didn't mean it |
| 15:20.18 | emcnabb | I promise |
| 15:20.59 | emcnabb | is sjansen on here any more? |
| 15:21.11 | emcnabb | or did Jayce^ scare him off too? |
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| 15:23.33 | youtah | If anyone wants to send me $2000 so I can build a new storage server for myself... let me know and I'll send you my paypal info |
| 15:23.34 | youtah | ;- |
| 15:23.36 | youtah | ;-) |
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| 15:26.05 | programmerq | I really want a drobofs |
| 15:26.45 | youtah | they would be nice |
| 15:26.49 | youtah | I am about maxed out right now |
| 15:26.57 | youtah | I am at 4TB of mirrored data |
| 15:27.05 | youtah | and I have 120GB of space left |
| 15:29.19 | youtah | Jayce^, I love this http://blog.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/geeks-vs-nongeeks-repetitive-tasks.png\ |
| 15:29.22 | youtah | http://blog.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/geeks-vs-nongeeks-repetitive-tasks.png |
| 15:29.25 | youtah | minus the \ |
| 15:32.09 | Q_Continuum | So looks like Comcast and CenturyLink are funding local incumbents again, push against Utopia? |
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| 15:33.02 | youtah | probably |
| 15:34.08 | Jayce^ | emcnabb: he rarely is, think it's the new job |
| 15:34.43 | Q_Continuum | How are so many folks not jumping on fast internets? Do they not care about the MOAR GBs? |
| 15:34.53 | Q_Continuum | They care in their iPhone but not their Internets. |
| 15:35.27 | Jayce^ | they care about the moar tv's |
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| 15:39.46 | programmerq | just transferred some money to my separate savings account that's supposed to be for my next computer build. |
| 15:39.53 | programmerq | it's been at $0.00 for too long |
| 15:46.47 | youtah | ROFL Coke + Durex + Mentos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkAeAvnKufo |
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| 15:51.58 | pikanso | i have a question about mormonism. |
| 15:52.18 | fadein | Q_Continuum: link for the Concast/Century Link political funding? |
| 15:52.27 | fadein | I need to know who NOT to vote for |
| 15:52.56 | Q_Continuum | Tons of articles coming out with quotes from the Utah Taxpayer's Association - I was guessing on the Comcast/Centurylink funding |
| 15:53.05 | pikanso | I heard that practicing post death baptizim is fairly common, I wonder if this requires some kind of physical access to the corpse/tomb or can this be performed regardless of the presence of it? |
| 15:53.34 | Q_Continuum | the UTA is pushing for not 'funding' Utopia since they "need more money" (which was planned for, and is being pulled 2 months after it was expected to be needed) |
| 15:54.04 | Q_Continuum | They made the June 2011-June 2012 budget run from June 2011-Sept 2012, and are now getting their 2012-2013 budget monies |
| 15:54.06 | manithree | pikanso: It's done by proxy, no access to the corpse is necessary |
| 15:54.10 | youtah | yeah, the body doesn't physically need to be there at all. They do it via proxy |
| 15:54.32 | pikanso | youtah, you can do it even if the body is lost? |
| 15:54.50 | youtah | Yup |
| 15:55.11 | youtah | Cremated, buried, out to sea, etc |
| 15:55.36 | pikanso | ok. |
| 15:55.43 | youtah | np |
| 15:55.45 | pikanso | thanks |
| 15:55.55 | youtah | np |
| 15:56.00 | youtah | check this out pikanso http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&sourceId=1ec52f2324d98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____ |
| 15:56.06 | pikanso | i remember reading something about having to por water on the grave or something |
| 15:56.10 | pikanso | pour* |
| 15:56.28 | manithree | pikanso: Maybe some other religion |
| 15:56.40 | pikanso | ok |
| 15:56.55 | pikanso | Is this fairly common practice? |
| 15:56.55 | youtah | no, the person being baptised on their behalf, gets down into the water and is baptized by immersion just as John the Baptist baptized Christ |
| 15:58.10 | youtah | In the LDS church, yes. Other religions, I am not really sure. I know some off the top of my head that do not. |
| 15:58.23 | resplin | pikanso: Proxy baptism for the dead is very common in the LDS Church. |
| 15:58.51 | youtah | pikanso: make sure to read that link I posted above. |
| 15:58.53 | resplin | Oh, perhaps you were asking about other Churches. I interpreted as a question about the frequency a mormon would do it. |
| 15:59.05 | youtah | afk |
| 15:59.21 | pikanso | On one hand I can sorta accept that as part of freedom of expression but I think it might in certain circumstance offend certain people. |
| 15:59.32 | resplin | It has offended people. |
| 15:59.43 | pikanso | right. |
| 16:00.07 | resplin | But what those people don't understand is that proxy baptism isn't about forcing the deceased into being a Mormon. It's about giving them access to the ordinance so that they can choose. |
| 16:00.31 | resplin | Due to the offence current guidelines are to only do baptisms on behalf of direct ancestors. |
| 16:01.48 | pikanso | direct is a very loose term however isnt it? I know that mormons are fascinated with geneological research so what direct might mean in this context could be someone well in the deep past. |
| 16:02.52 | resplin | True. |
| 16:03.36 | resplin | We try to be respectful of the sensitivities of others. But we also have our religious duties to perform, and hope people can respect that as well. |
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| 16:04.52 | resplin | The link youtah posted is really helpful. As is this one: http://mormon.org/faq/topic/baptism/question/baptism-for-the-dead |
| 16:05.19 | programmerq | pikanso: the geneological research is in good part because LDS people want to do proxy baptisms for their ancestors. |
| 16:05.34 | pikanso | yeah i figured that much. |
| 16:06.36 | programmerq | now, for example, I know that some of my ancestors had siblings that died before they had kids. it's still okay to do proxy ordinances for those individuals too, even though they might not be a direct ancestor, but a great great great great uncle. |
| 16:08.47 | pikanso | naturally this would very quickly lead to members born and raised in completely different cultural backgrounds and religious background with different beliefs - whose ancestors and community might feel slightly offended by this attempt to post mortem baptise them. |
| 16:09.05 | resplin | Yup. |
| 16:09.19 | resplin | We've all got to get along. |
| 16:09.30 | jalbretsen | I see we are on topic today. |
| 16:09.36 | resplin | lol |
| 16:09.52 | pikanso | do mormons get sensitive when other religions try to practice post mortem ritual on members of mormon faith? |
| 16:13.03 | resplin | Not really. |
| 16:14.17 | resplin | If it's true, than it's a good thing. If it isn't true, then it isn't hurting anything. I had one non-mormon friend ask me to make sure his work get done to "hedge his bets". (It doesn't exactly work that way, by-the-way.) |
| 16:15.12 | resplin | To be honest, I have never really understood the people who get offended about it. It seems like they are looking for reasons to be offended. But I'll do my best to accommodate them anyway. |
| 16:15.51 | pikanso | What if its against the persons will? |
| 16:16.25 | pikanso | He left a will specifically stating that he doesnt want anyone to perform these rituals upon his demise. |
| 16:16.41 | pikanso | and has expressed himself wholeheartedly on numerous occasions on the matter. |
| 16:16.46 | resplin | The person is dead. If our theology is right, then they will have the opportunity to accept or reject the ordinance. If it is wrong, then they won't know or care anywoy. |
| 16:17.19 | resplin | But normally we respect people's express wishes. |
| 16:17.43 | resplin | Proxy baptism is much more about saving those who never had a chance to have an opinion on the matter. |
| 16:18.24 | resplin | Anyway, the links provide the official opinion of the Church. All this other stuff is just my personal opinion. |
| 16:18.45 | resplin | And an insight into current guidelines used by members. |
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| 16:44.53 | rsimpkins | still dislikes gnome 3. |
| 16:45.05 | rsimpkins | I tried it. I think it is a train wreck. |
| 16:45.21 | rsimpkins | And a major distraction. |
| 16:46.01 | jalbretsen | rsimpkins: is this 3.6? |
| 16:46.16 | rsimpkins | Whatever it is on fedora 17. I dunno. It sucks though. |
| 16:46.40 | rsimpkins | Bring my traditional, well polished, highly-customizable app launcer please. :) |
| 16:46.59 | rsimpkins | Oh, crap, no such thing exists. |
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| 16:54.08 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 16:54.29 | fozzmoo | is reasonably happy with KDE4 |
| 16:55.05 | jalbretsen | fozzmoo: Kontact has been having issues as of late, but I'm still running Fedora 16 |
| 16:55.23 | fozzmoo | Oh, I'm in a love-hate relationship with Kontact. |
| 16:55.27 | jalbretsen | they changed how they stored data or something and it was buggy |
| 16:55.35 | fozzmoo | I know more than I ever wanted to know about akonadi. |
| 16:56.13 | jalbretsen | it seems to have mostly been fixed, but I was worried I could loose everything for a while, so I was making backups often |
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| 16:56.25 | fozzmoo | I can't delete messages. |
| 16:56.35 | fozzmoo | I have to move them to Local Folders->Trash |
| 16:57.08 | fozzmoo | I nuked everything a couple weeks ago and set up all my mail accounts again. That was quite an endeavor. |
| 16:57.18 | fozzmoo | Everything was peachy for a couple days. |
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| 16:57.24 | fozzmoo | THen I couldn't delete messages again. |
| 16:58.32 | youtah | BAAAAAck |
| 16:58.38 | Q_Continuum | Crap. |
| 16:58.41 | youtah | lol |
| 16:58.44 | resplin | KDE 4.9 has lots of bug fixes. |
| 16:58.45 | Q_Continuum | There goes the channel! EVERYBODY RUN! |
| 16:58.54 | Q_Continuum | ;-p |
| 16:59.22 | jalbretsen | I imported my mail archive into it from my old Ubuntu, and unless I move the messages to a new folder, it still spits errors |
| 16:59.40 | jalbretsen | which has been motivation for me to do some house cleaning |
| 16:59.49 | youtah | I keep trying to use CTRL+F but I can't find it anywhere in this book.... |
| 17:00.04 | jalbretsen | I used to be a bit of an email packrat. Not anymore though |
| 17:00.06 | Q_Continuum | youtah: That's why I'm going all ebook. |
| 17:00.26 | youtah | My Mass Communication Law class doesn't have an eBook option |
| 17:00.26 | Q_Continuum | Cheaper, and I don't have a bajillion pounds in paper to lug. |
| 17:00.27 | youtah | :-( |
| 17:00.33 | Q_Continuum | Scream at them. |
| 17:00.49 | Q_Continuum | "WHY DO YOU HATE TREES, AND MY BACK, SO MUCH?" |
| 17:01.12 | youtah | I want to buy something |
| 17:01.16 | youtah | what should I buy? |
| 17:01.18 | youtah | I am poor |
| 17:01.22 | youtah | maybe I shouldn't buy anything |
| 17:02.01 | youtah | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0073526185/ << this |
| 17:02.32 | fozzmoo | I love $120 paperbacks. |
| 17:02.37 | youtah | yeah |
| 17:02.42 | youtah | in the book store, it was $170 |
| 17:02.50 | rsimpkins | Any book that costs more than $50 better have a lot of pretty pictures in it. :) |
| 17:02.53 | jalbretsen | I've been having the ebook debate with several people when it comes to college classes, the pros and khans of each |
| 17:02.58 | youtah | but I felt better when I saw the 100 page paperback book next to it in the bookstore for $280 |
| 17:03.00 | jalbretsen | where is that article.... |
| 17:04.00 | Q_Continuum | Been buying mine direct from publishers, O'Reilly, Apress and Packt Publishing |
| 17:05.53 | Q_Continuum | no DRM, but they're "watermarked" as mine to discourage piracy. |
| 17:06.36 | Q_Continuum | And so far all of them bought on half-off deals - so $5-$20 for a $30-$60 print book |
| 17:06.39 | fozzmoo | If I saw a $170 or $280 paperback, my first response would be "it had better be out of print." |
| 17:06.41 | youtah | It's weird to see Lindsay Lohan and Brittney Spears in my college text book |
| 17:06.48 | Q_Continuum | o.0 |
| 17:07.09 | youtah | yeha |
| 17:07.14 | Q_Continuum | Damn, now I feel *OLD*. |
| 17:07.18 | rsimpkins | youtah: As examples of how to be rich and fabulous? |
| 17:07.24 | youtah | and mess up |
| 17:08.05 | rsimpkins | If you've ever read any Auesten, you'd know that is the job of the rich... that is their main function. To keep us poor people entertained. :) |
| 17:08.14 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 17:08.17 | Q_Continuum | And with the cost-savings of buying ebooks JUST from O'Reilly (paid $130, that was 50% off) that paid for the Kindle. Can shove that in a pocket and read at work easily |
| 17:08.32 | Q_Continuum | Which I do. |
| 17:09.03 | rsimpkins | If someone would please send me a bazillion dollars, I will be sure to start a reality show for you, and then start making horribly messed up decisions that you can all critizise and laugh at. :) |
| 17:09.19 | rsimpkins | would love that opportunity. |
| 17:09.32 | youtah | could I join you rsimpkins? |
| 17:09.36 | Q_Continuum | I'll just take 2 mil and do geeky things, live off the interest - anything I earn after that is fun money |
| 17:09.54 | jalbretsen | found it: https://chronicle.com/article/What-Is-an-Access-Code-Worth-/134048/ |
| 17:10.07 | rsimpkins | youtah: Let's do it. I'm going to turn my kids in to stuck up snobs, while we jet-set across the world seeing how many customs we can offend. |
| 17:10.29 | youtah | Awesome |
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| 17:10.43 | youtah | Give three of everything to everyone in Japan for example? |
| 17:10.55 | rsimpkins | youtah: Or bow... backwards. |
| 17:11.05 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:11.26 | rsimpkins | Shake everyone's hand in the middle east... with our LEFT hands. |
| 17:11.26 | Q_Continuum | jalbretsen: Wow. Just his class (of 250) earned the publisher $37k |
| 17:11.40 | Q_Continuum | Figure at MOST 1/3 of that is fixed production expenses |
| 17:11.51 | Q_Continuum | and they split 24k with the professor (who wrote the book) |
| 17:12.00 | youtah | Bow like this http://www.yogajournal.com/media/originals/HP_216_Salamba_248.jpg |
| 17:12.38 | rsimpkins | youtah: lol. We'd be super-stars and have all the Japanese kids copying us inside a week. |
| 17:13.01 | rsimpkins | It'd be like planking. |
| 17:13.06 | youtah | Yes! |
| 17:13.32 | jalbretsen | I have a student that accidentally registered for the algebra based physics instead of the calculus based physics. She figured it out and went to take back the book and get the right one. But since she had already taken the plastic off, they would not take it back |
| 17:14.01 | fozzmoo | sighs |
| 17:14.43 | jalbretsen | she didn't look like the type that would raise hell about it to officials. I certainly would have |
| 17:14.50 | jalbretsen | for 200 bucks |
| 17:14.54 | youtah | I would have |
| 17:15.24 | jalbretsen | I get lots of practice of raising hell by talking to comcast customer service |
| 17:15.34 | youtah | Tweet them |
| 17:15.48 | youtah | they resolve things quickly when everything is public |
| 17:16.03 | jalbretsen | I do that too |
| 17:16.07 | Q_Continuum | Yeah, after being on Utopia I won't be able to go back to Comcast/Qwest |
| 17:16.31 | youtah | I had them run a cable out of my box and down the street in the gutter. I posted a photo of it and claimed it was a hazard... someone came that next morning. |
| 17:16.40 | jalbretsen | I'm told Layton is moving forward with getting Utopia into more of Layton, I can't wait |
| 17:17.12 | youtah | Utopia on the twitter? |
| 17:17.27 | rsimpkins | Isn't Utopia on the verge of financial melt down, or something? |
| 17:17.55 | Q_Continuum | No. |
| 17:17.58 | jalbretsen | we have it at work and I love it |
| 17:18.02 | rsimpkins | Must be a rumor. |
| 17:18.21 | jalbretsen | starts a rumor that rsimpkins in on the verge of a melt down |
| 17:18.28 | jalbretsen | s/in/is/ |
| 17:18.30 | rsimpkins | jalbretsen: But that isn't a rumor. |
| 17:18.43 | rsimpkins | jalbretsen: That's just a fact. |
| 17:19.36 | Q_Continuum | Its the 'Utah Taxpayers Association' and one politician pushing to kill Utopia. |
| 17:19.45 | Q_Continuum | I'll bet both are being funded by Comcast/CenturyLink |
| 17:19.52 | Q_Continuum | so they can stop having to actually invest monies here. |
| 17:21.44 | youtah | I wish Utopia would come to Sandy |
| 17:21.45 | rsimpkins | I'm sure fozzmoo is totally against utopia. |
| 17:21.49 | resplin | I love my Utopia + XMission. |
| 17:22.27 | rsimpkins | If we sold all of our public infrustructure to private corporations, how much of the national debt could we pay of? 10%? 20%? |
| 17:22.31 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: I'm *trying* to be productive today! |
| 17:22.44 | Q_Continuum | resplin: me too! |
| 17:22.53 | Nemus | http://www.utahtaxpayers.org/?p=4577#respond |
| 17:23.19 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: and how much would we get raped in the ass on service going forward, and see ourselves become even MORE irrelevant in the world? |
| 17:23.43 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: Yeah, it would be pretty interesting if I had to pay 32 tolls on the drive to work. |
| 17:24.00 | youtah | How much does Utopia generally cost? |
| 17:24.01 | Q_Continuum | Oh no |
| 17:24.03 | Q_Continuum | It'd be like 2 |
| 17:24.37 | youtah | Also, if you want to feel free to respond to Cimaron (reporter for the SLTrib) on why Utopia is awesome... https://twitter.com/youtah/status/248834713400274944 |
| 17:24.38 | fozzmoo | Up front, it can be pricey. Like $3000 to get hooked up if your home isn't already hooked up. |
| 17:24.48 | Q_Continuum | $3k up front, or you can pay it monthly |
| 17:24.50 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: Well, if we did it - could they at least make the drive seem like an amusment park ride? Like, put some anamotrinics along the road singing "it's a small world" brought you by X company? |
| 17:25.00 | fozzmoo | But then something like $40-50/mo for 40Mbps up/down |
| 17:25.05 | Nemus | man I want to leave comments |
| 17:25.25 | Nemus | on utahtaxpayers.org |
| 17:25.43 | Nemus | they attack utopia they make it personal. |
| 17:26.04 | rsimpkins | No one wants to pay for infrustructure, but everyone wants to use it. |
| 17:26.09 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: Only if they felt it would be "profitable" |
| 17:26.17 | rsimpkins | Roads are socialist, I tell you! ;-) |
| 17:26.18 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: Oh and hope you never have to use an under-utilized road |
| 17:26.23 | fozzmoo | Utopia was a great idea... but then government, as usual, messed it up. |
| 17:26.25 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: Or it'd be full of car-sized potholes |
| 17:26.43 | Nemus | thinks we should riot |
| 17:26.53 | fozzmoo | Oh, and Comcast and Qwest/CenturyLink didn't help either, by litigating over every pole Utopia wanted to hang fiber on. |
| 17:27.00 | fozzmoo | Your tax dollars at work. |
| 17:27.00 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: Of course it would be - how else could land rover get you to buy their ultra-pot-hole-busting monster truck? |
| 17:27.01 | Q_Continuum | fozzmoo: plus Crapcast and Qworst saw 'competition' so use their rape-rates from no-competition areas to subsidize where Utopia is. |
| 17:30.44 | jalbretsen | We just don't watch cable anymore and do Netflix and AppleTV, so I tried to turn Comcast cable off and just have the internet. Price of Cable+Internet for me.... 56 bucks. Price of just internet.... 74 bucks |
| 17:31.15 | fadein | At least Comcast has ceased comparing their "high-speeds" to dial-up |
| 17:31.25 | rsimpkins | You can have incompetent government, or evil corporations. Or both. What do you pick America? |
| 17:31.31 | Q_Continuum | jalbretsen: If you have just internet, you MUST BE PIRATING and be charged accordingly! |
| 17:31.45 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: I'll take incompetent gov't |
| 17:31.54 | Q_Continuum | I can work around incompetent. Get rid of the evil corps. |
| 17:32.02 | fozzmoo | interesting. |
| 17:32.20 | jalbretsen | actually no.... I used to DL a lot, but I decided to go straight when AppleTV made it easy. Doctor Who in HD. I was sold. |
| 17:32.27 | fadein | s/evil/indifferent towards non-shareholders/ |
| 17:32.33 | fadein | basically the same thing |
| 17:32.46 | fadein | Tragedy of the commons, market of lemons, etc. |
| 17:33.14 | Q_Continuum | jalbretsen: But Comcast is getting no money, you DIRTY DIRTY PIRATE! |
| 17:33.21 | jalbretsen | Yarr! |
| 17:33.28 | Q_Continuum | (You're not giving them money for TV, so you must be a terrorist!) |
| 17:34.13 | Nemus | starts silently rioting. |
| 17:37.37 | rsimpkins | Nemus: I'm rioting mentallly. Is that the same thing? |
| 17:37.50 | Nemus | sure |
| 17:38.04 | rsimpkins | smashes imaginary store front and steals a toaster. |
| 17:38.16 | rsimpkins | Now I can make imaginary toast! :) |
| 17:38.28 | Gate | "Silently Rioting"..... oxymoron? |
| 17:38.53 | rsimpkins | Gate: Make yourself useful and bring me some bacon. |
| 17:38.56 | Nemus | you can silently break and steal things. |
| 17:39.32 | Nemus | no reason to be rude or loud about it. |
| 17:40.04 | rsimpkins | Nemus: It is those burglar alarms that make the theif loud. Should be illegal. |
| 17:40.37 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: First make burglars illegal, so I don't need it! Ohwait... |
| 17:40.42 | Nemus | exactly they also have a very low return on investment. |
| 17:40.51 | youtah | I prefer claymores |
| 17:41.09 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 17:41.18 | Q_Continuum | But then you have to keep replacing the dog. |
| 17:41.18 | rsimpkins | I'd love that lawsuit. "Your honor. I was quietly breaking in to this bank when all the sudden bright lights started flashing and a siren went off. This caused me emotional damages worth, um, $2 milllion." |
| 17:41.24 | youtah | lol |
| 17:41.27 | Q_Continuum | lolol |
| 17:41.30 | Nemus | I've always wanted to buyld a burglar alarm out of flash bangs |
| 17:41.46 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:41.55 | Nemus | build* |
| 17:42.04 | youtah | Okay, a claymore mine with flash bangs and ketchup packets |
| 17:42.30 | youtah | make them @#$% themselves thinking they're about to die for about 30 seconds |
| 17:42.57 | youtah | sheer panic until they realize it's just tomatoes |
| 17:43.08 | Nemus | or is it? |
| 17:43.15 | Gate | Robot sentry with a paintball gun loaded with pepper spray paintballs |
| 17:43.47 | Nemus | build an army of flying paintball pepper spray drones. |
| 17:43.58 | Nemus | then we can riot remotely. |
| 17:46.13 | rsimpkins | My orbiting brain lasers run Linux. |
| 17:46.53 | Nemus | if they ran windows they wouldn't be real orbiting brain lasers now would they? |
| 17:47.39 | rsimpkins | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LsxmQV8AXk |
| 17:47.46 | rsimpkins | I can't find the origional flash animation any more. :( |
| 17:50.55 | rsimpkins | I'm rather depressed at the broken web. |
| 17:51.11 | rsimpkins | All these stupid domain squatters eating up the namespace to show me the same silly search box. |
| 17:51.34 | fadein | does the search box even do anything? |
| 17:51.45 | rsimpkins | I never stop to see. |
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| 17:52.14 | rsimpkins | The broken web is the future, though. 40 years from now 50% of all links will go to a spam site. |
| 17:52.32 | fadein | rsimpkins: I'm sure it's like that today |
| 17:52.54 | rsimpkins | Oh it is, but my point is that it is getting worse. And shows no sign of slowing. |
| 17:53.44 | Q_Continuum | When you get close to dying, make sure to pre-pay domain/hosting for the next century! |
| 17:53.52 | rsimpkins | No doubt. |
| 17:54.54 | rsimpkins | Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe in 40 years the only thing that will be working is facebook. |
| 17:55.07 | Q_Continuum | shudders |
| 17:55.29 | rsimpkins | See what the kids do? That's the future. |
| 17:55.29 | Q_Continuum | I don't want to live on this planet anymore. |
| 17:56.19 | rsimpkins | I'd be glad, actually, if someone totally went for broke and set up their own independent name system. With better rules and tighter controls for domain ownership. |
| 17:57.50 | rsimpkins | I'd change my root hints file to them. |
| 17:57.59 | rsimpkins | Someone wanna get on that? :) |
| 17:58.42 | rsimpkins | I swear everyone has forgotten that the DNS system is voluntary. |
| 17:59.14 | rsimpkins | I'm going to go find some potato salad now. ;-) |
| 18:18.10 | jalbretsen | rsimpkins: Back at my old spammer job, I registered more senseless domains for third party mailing than I can count. |
| 18:19.26 | jalbretsen | and I learned another reason why IPv4 address are rapidly disappearing |
| 18:19.45 | Q_Continuum | ARIN will only hand them out in quantities of 1024 or more if you are multi-homed. |
| 18:19.58 | Q_Continuum | #shityoulearnonthejob |
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| 21:16.58 | youtah | BRB guys.... http://imgur.com/gallery/EqweD |
| 21:45.12 | Heartsbane | harleypig: ping |
| 22:19.17 | youtah | URGENT: Buckyballs are selling for $5 |
| 22:19.19 | youtah | https://www.getbuckyballs.com/order/buckyballs/ |
| 22:23.40 | harleypig | Heartsbane: what? |
| 22:23.46 | harleypig | I mean, pong |
| 22:23.59 | fozzmoo | pang. |
| 22:24.04 | harleypig | ni |
| 22:24.26 | Heartsbane | LOL |
| 22:24.28 | Heartsbane | PM |
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