| 00:32.02 | Heartsbane | lol |
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| 13:39.50 | fugue88 | ~onjoin -lukfugl |
| 13:39.50 | ibot | ok, fugue88 |
| 13:40.01 | lukfugl | awww :( |
| 13:40.12 | lukfugl | ~onjoin fugue88 spoilsport |
| 13:40.12 | ibot | ok, lukfugl |
| 13:40.19 | fugue88 | ~onjoin lukfugl the cow is eating it |
| 13:40.19 | ibot | fugue88: ok |
| 13:40.26 | fugue88 | ~onjoin -fugue88 |
| 13:40.26 | ibot | ok, fugue88 |
| 13:40.28 | fugue88 | :) |
| 13:40.30 | lukfugl | :) |
| 13:40.40 | lukfugl | ~onjoin -lukfugl |
| 13:40.40 | ibot | lukfugl: ok |
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| 13:40.46 | lukfugl | I didn't *actually* like it ;) |
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| 17:06.37 | eightyeight | ibot onjoins are just useless noise |
| 17:06.37 | ibot | okay, eightyeight |
| 17:06.47 | eightyeight | ibot: okay, what? |
| 17:06.47 | ibot | idk |
| 17:06.52 | eightyeight | thought so |
| 17:07.00 | lukfugl | ibot: what are onjoins? |
| 17:07.01 | ibot | lukfugl: what are you talking about? |
| 17:07.12 | lukfugl | ibot: define onjoins |
| 17:07.12 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 17:07.16 | lukfugl | ~dict onjoins |
| 17:07.33 | lukfugl | ibot: onjoins |
| 17:07.33 | ibot | onjoins are just useless noise |
| 17:07.37 | lukfugl | there we got |
| 17:07.38 | lukfugl | *go |
| 17:11.25 | goozbach | full of awesome! |
| 17:11.26 | goozbach | http://www.pantsareoverrated.com/05_10_2011/hobbes-and-bacon |
| 17:11.39 | goozbach | I want to see this made into a permanant series |
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| 17:25.27 | sjansen | Wow, using puppet to recursively apply permissions is a _really_ bad idea. |
| 17:26.58 | sjansen | I started the process two hours ago, and it's still not done. |
| 17:34.20 | goozbach | ohh |
| 17:56.26 | olli | lunch? |
| 17:56.39 | olli | anyone? I am ... oh well |
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| 18:39.19 | sjansen | An hour later and still running. |
| 18:39.29 | jsmith | sjansen: Seriously? |
| 18:41.41 | sjansen | No idea what's taking so long. It's changing owner, group, mode, and selinux type. Should be super quick. |
| 18:42.53 | sjansen | Whatever it's doing, it sure is taking a lot of CPU. |
| 18:43.28 | sjansen | strace -p shows nothing but rt_sigprocmask |
| 18:43.36 | jsmith | Over how many files? |
| 18:44.20 | sjansen | 6556 |
| 18:45.02 | jsmith | Yeah... that doesn't sound right to me |
| 18:45.26 | jsmith | Even at two per second, it should be done by now :-( |
| 18:45.31 | jsmith | (roughly) |
| 18:46.05 | sjansen | It continues to make progress, but I bet if I dug into the code I'd find brain dead repeated forking to of an insane number of commands or something. |
| 18:47.05 | jsmith | Yeah, must be to be that slow |
| 18:47.09 | sjansen | My bet is it's related to really stupid execution of pointless SELinux commands. Although I'm hard pressed to guess what. |
| 18:47.43 | sjansen | Only thing I can think of is changing booleans or updating policy, but I can't imagine why it'd be doing that. |
| 18:48.34 | jsmith | Yeah, no kidding... |
| 18:48.49 | jsmith | I'm assuming you've looked at the audit log? |
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| 18:52.02 | sjansen | ~emcnabb-- |
| 18:52.52 | sjansen | Nothing in the audit log. |
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| 19:00.46 | elg | sjansen: special spin wait when username == sjansen. |
| 19:00.59 | elg | i commissioned that code myself |
| 19:05.15 | sjansen | Looking at the strace output, I'm willing to believe that. |
| 19:05.45 | sjansen | No fork/exec. Just lstat, lchown, repeatedly reading /proc/mount and /etc/passwd. |
| 19:07.30 | sjansen | And a little googling reveals it's probably related to Ruby's brain dead pthread support. |
| 19:13.06 | jsmith | sjansen: Tell me you're surprised :-p |
| 19:15.31 | elg | for all the complaining people do about ruby's threads (I hate them too), I expected python to be more enlightened. they're just as broken there :( |
| 19:15.47 | jsmith | *sigh* |
| 19:16.22 | lukfugl | elg: embrace the GIL! |
| 19:16.34 | elg | so, yes threads are a joke in ruby. anyone who is writing code that should actually be parallel with threads, especially in the presence of IO, should be taken out back and shot |
| 19:16.39 | elg | ~lart the GIL |
| 19:16.39 | ibot | chops the GIL in half with a free AOL CD |
| 19:17.28 | Tene | elg: ruby has a lot of jokes; you need a really twisted sense of humour to do much ruby coding, IME |
| 19:18.05 | Tene | sjansen: sounds like a job for perf |
| 19:18.08 | elg | i disagree. ruby is generally elegant and awesome. python is generally awesome and inelegant. I'd use either with a straight face. |
| 19:18.32 | elg | but not if I wanted threads. |
| 19:19.57 | elg | python has a "multiprocessing" module. basically a fancy wrapper around message passing over pipes between separate processes. all to avoid the gil |
| 19:20.07 | elg | there might be something similar for ruby, i haven't looked |
| 19:20.22 | elg | it works. it's a shame it's necessary |
| 19:21.17 | jsmith | No stinkin' kidding... |
| 19:21.32 | jsmith | And now Jayce^ is probably going to come along and tell us it all works flawlessly in Perl 6 |
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| 19:24.22 | elg | duke nukem forever runs flawlessly in perl6 |
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| 19:24.46 | Tene | jsmith: There's no threading whatsoever in rakudo; niecza has pretty good threading on .Net, iirc, but is much less complete than rakudo in most ways. |
| 19:25.32 | Tene | Rakudo has no threading because Parrot has no threading; there's work in progress to add a good threading system during the next major round of work. |
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| 20:55.15 | unum | I have some nice momentum on my android app |
| 20:55.47 | fugue88 | unum: Does it use the accelerometer? |
| 20:55.55 | unum | fugue88: no |
| 20:55.57 | fugue88 | </bad_joke> |
| 20:56.23 | unum | now I just need to understand how I'm supposed to do authentication |
| 21:02.16 | Gate | fugue88: I got it. |
| 21:02.33 | fugue88 | :) |
| 21:02.46 | Gate | unum: what kind of authentication. With a web app? |
| 21:04.08 | unum | Gate: rest |
| 21:04.13 | unum | well android |
| 21:06.10 | fugue88 | REST isn't an authenication scheme. |
| 21:06.17 | unum | I know |
| 21:06.24 | fugue88 | You've got HTTP basic, HTTP digest, ... k |
| 21:06.35 | unum | but I know you're not supposed to use cookies if you're using rest |
| 21:06.40 | fugue88 | Wha? |
| 21:06.50 | fugue88 | That's bologna. |
| 21:06.51 | unum | so ya you use the http stuff |
| 21:07.03 | fugue88 | Depends on the semantics you're shooting for. |
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| 21:10.29 | fugue88 | unum: From Fielding's dissertation, "We next add a constraint to the client-server interaction: communication must be stateless in nature, as in the client-stateless-server (CSS) style of Section 3.4.3 (Figure 5-3), such that each request from client to server must contain all of the information necessary to understand the request, and cannot take advantage of any stored context on the server. Session state is therefore kept entir |
| 21:10.44 | fugue88 | Cookies are client-side state. |
| 21:10.59 | fugue88 | Many apps break that and associate them with server-side state, which would break the REST principles. |
| 21:11.10 | unum | I see now |
| 21:11.32 | unum | but anyways I need to figure out how to set my credentials in java |
| 21:11.48 | unum | with the apache libraries |
| 21:15.32 | unum | I think I figured it out |
| 21:15.40 | unum | thanks for your help |
| 21:23.00 | unum | well that was easy |
| 21:24.21 | fugue88 | Really? Cool. |
| 21:24.39 | unum | ya |
| 21:24.43 | unum | I just used basic auth |
| 21:24.55 | unum | then I'll run it as https |
| 21:25.07 | unum | and in my my php script I check to make sure the credentials are there |
| 21:25.20 | fugue88 | Nice. |
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| 22:21.56 | sjansen | ibot: onjoin #utah tensai Red Hat 7.3?! For shame!!!!1 |
| 22:21.56 | ibot | sjansen: ok |
| 22:32.36 | jalbretsen | sjansen: Red Hat 7.3 was the first distro I used when the pink distro began to fail me |
| 22:33.07 | eightyeight | pink distro? |
| 22:33.13 | sjansen | Java and PHP? |
| 22:33.18 | sjansen | I pity the poor unum. |
| 22:33.30 | jalbretsen | yes, the pink distro |
| 22:33.39 | eightyeight | okay... |
| 22:34.48 | jalbretsen | Pink distro: http://to.ly/aCS0 |
| 22:34.51 | eightyeight | http://techie-buzz.com/foss/fluffy-linux-for-those-who-like-pink-bunnies-and-unicorn.html ? |
| 22:38.07 | eightyeight | so why pink? i always figured mandrake had a very blue theme |
| 22:38.20 | shalkie | *sigh* as if Hannah Montana Linux wasn't bad enough: http://biebian.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:38.22 | eightyeight | or am i not reading between the lines |
| 22:38.48 | jalbretsen | ask sjansen, I'm just going off what he says |
| 22:38.49 | shalkie | eightyeight: I am missing the pinkness as well. |
| 22:39.31 | shalkie | shrugs |
| 22:39.48 | shalkie | Although you would think that Cent would use pink now that I think about it. |
| 22:40.11 | eightyeight | debian uses a dark-ish looking pink. kindof |
| 22:40.22 | eightyeight | in their logo, that is |
| 22:41.30 | shalkie | Pink is a manly color. :-) |
| 22:46.30 | eightyeight | there are very few males who can pull off wearing pink |
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| 22:55.18 | Tene | fugue88: you need to install the splitlong.pl irssi plugin |
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