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| 15:14.46 | Jayce^ | http://ikeapimp.blogspot.com/2009/03/chuck-vs-camel.html |
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| 15:23.18 | Keighvin | Behold! I have returned from the Pacific Northwest! |
| 15:23.36 | Keighvin | And I could also really really really use a job if anyone knows of any openings. |
| 15:23.41 | Jayce^ | feh |
| 15:23.42 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:23.47 | Jayce^ | ~whaleslap Keighvin |
| 15:23.48 | ibot | ACTION beats Keighvin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:23.51 | Keighvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.00 | elg | ~hire Keighvin |
| 15:27.01 | ibot | ACTION hires Keighvin along with ^Migs^ as a Chicago Blackhawks Mens Room Urinal Puck Changer, at 3 dollars/hour to start |
| 15:39.49 | ^Migs^ | ~hire elg |
| 15:39.50 | ibot | ACTION hires elg along with pashdown as a US Coast Guard Propeller Cleaner, at 2 dollars/hour to start |
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| 15:54.37 | elg | Jayce^: i thought you said you couldn't grow a beard? |
| 15:55.09 | Jayce^ | :) I started in September |
| 15:55.15 | Jayce^ | still doesn't really connect |
| 15:56.15 | elg | at least it's consistent along your jaw |
| 15:56.50 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: I'd be willing to donate hair. |
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| 17:05.27 | sjansen | Get yer Woot Off on! http://www.woot.com/ |
| 17:19.20 | goozbach | wow, this wootoff has been going for a while now. |
| 17:24.15 | sjansen | More than 36 hours now. |
| 17:30.45 | sjansen | http://db.tidbits.com/article/10166 |
| 17:30.46 | brac | [TidBITS Macs & Mac OS X: Going Deep Inside Xserve Apple Drive Modules] |
| 17:32.11 | harleypig | Hey, can someone doublecheck this rewrite rule for me? RewriteRule ^/SignUpNow$ /admin?cmd=showMediaPartnerSignup [L,NC,R] |
| 17:33.40 | harleypig | It's supposed to take anything that goes to SignUpNow and redirect to the admin url |
| 17:33.54 | goozbach | I usally add a code to my redirects |
| 17:33.59 | goozbach | R=302 |
| 17:34.24 | harleypig | ah, good point. thx. |
| 17:34.30 | goozbach | I don't recall what NC is for |
| 17:34.35 | harleypig | nocase |
| 17:34.37 | goozbach | ahh |
| 17:34.41 | goozbach | then it looks good |
| 17:34.57 | harleypig | thx ... just wanted a second look before I modified a live server. |
| 17:35.17 | sjansen | What, no pre-prod testing server? |
| 17:35.24 | sjansen | ~shame harleypig |
| 17:35.25 | ibot | Shame on you harleypig! |
| 17:35.25 | harleypig | are you kidding? |
| 17:35.39 | harleypig | we're working on it .. but it's not up yet. |
| 17:36.28 | sjansen | Ideally a pre-prod server should have exactly the same hardware as prod, but with virtualization today being so cheap, there's no excuse for not having _some_ form of pre-prod. |
| 17:37.14 | harleypig | we do have *some* form ... but not for the apache configuration |
| 17:39.11 | sjansen | If it doesn't have the same configuration and roll-out method as prod, it isn't pre-prod. It's development or testing but not pre-prod. |
| 18:22.40 | unum | should I get a mazda rx8? |
| 18:23.23 | jsmith | unum: Sure! Why not! |
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| 18:27.54 | Zelut | I have a perl question for anyone that wants to offer some advice |
| 18:28.38 | elg | use more $ |
| 18:29.29 | Zelut | I'd like to hack something together that can parse this page http://tinyurl.com/dcjfg3 and help me find the latest revision of the file. |
| 18:31.10 | elg | if you know ruby, there's hpricot |
| 18:31.31 | elg | but in any case, a simple regex should do the trick |
| 18:31.41 | elg | maybe could even do it with wget/grep/sort |
| 18:34.10 | Zelut | I thought about wget but I don't know that it'd support globs/regex |
| 18:34.22 | jsmith | Shouldn't be hard... order by date descending, and then grab the first link |
| 18:34.28 | levi | unum: I understand they don't get great gas mileage, but that they're fun to drive. |
| 18:35.25 | elg | jsmith has a good point. e.g. this link http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/c/chromium-browser/?C=M;O=D |
| 18:35.44 | unum | ya my manager is selling hers |
| 18:36.27 | levi | More practical than a typical 2+2 sports car, but not as practical as a sedan. |
| 18:37.16 | jsmith | levi: But it's got a cool engine! |
| 18:37.29 | jsmith | levi: It's not about being practical... (especially when unum is single, right?) |
| 18:37.42 | unum | I'm starting to think my practicality is a major factor in my singledom |
| 18:37.50 | unum | ah jsmith beat me to it |
| 18:37.58 | levi | I'd love to have one of those engines in a smaller, lighter, convertible vehicle. :) |
| 18:38.00 | unum | I bought a malibu because it was practical |
| 18:38.05 | jsmith | unum: Chicks dig guys with fast cars... |
| 18:38.07 | unum | I bout a condo because it was pratical |
| 18:38.29 | unum | I became a computer programming because it was pratical |
| 18:38.39 | elg | you became a gerund? |
| 18:39.03 | Zelut | elg: that is progress.. at that point its probably easy enough to do with some dirty bash |
| 18:39.03 | unum | and then i see all these poor guitar players(part time waiters) with wives... |
| 18:39.06 | levi | Was that painful? |
| 18:39.47 | levi | There are plenty of computer programmers in here with wives. |
| 18:39.58 | elg | some of them are even gerunds |
| 18:40.09 | levi | elg: Are you a gerund too?! |
| 18:40.17 | elg | although, i probably used the wrong grammatical term, gerund is such a funny word it was worth it |
| 18:41.19 | levi | No, turning a verb into a noun with '-ing' makes it a gerund. |
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| 18:42.05 | unum | but did you all have sporty cars when you got said wives ;) |
| 18:42.18 | levi | I did. |
| 18:42.24 | elg | heh. if you count a 70s AMC Hornet that I bought for $500 sporty |
| 18:43.05 | elg | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/pictures/1976_AMC_Hornet_Sportabout.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/1976_AMC_Hornet_Sportabout.html&usg=__MpNpKTB1QnuJFG6w5kW9WmWCWcY=&h=246&w=448&sz=42&hl=en&start=4&sig2=ZzJFi-dmGE7EDIFc8TVQwA&um=1&tbnid=e4SOJCmJJ8r64M:&tbnh=70&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Damc%2Bhornet%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1&e |
| 18:43.14 | elg | ~lart google |
| 18:43.14 | ibot | blasts google to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 18:43.47 | levi | Oh baby, what a chick magnet! |
| 18:43.50 | unum | http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mazda-rx-8.jpg |
| 18:44.15 | unum | so that's what I need to do |
| 18:44.57 | elg | of course half the doors didn't work, the othe rhalf of the windows didn't work, the vinyl seats were split, it didn't want to start half the time in the winter |
| 18:45.08 | elg | but it had bench seats! |
| 18:47.03 | levi | Forget the Hornet, you want a Gremlin. See, the chicks dig Gremlins: http://www.geocities.com/z_man401/gr/gremmy6.jpg |
| 18:47.12 | elg | how to get a wife: find a girl you want to be your wife (date), try to convince that girl to be your wife (date), if she's not your wife, goto 1 |
| 18:47.44 | elg | (simplified version) |
| 18:47.45 | levi | And this one! http://www.geocities.com/z_man401/gremmy4.htm |
| 18:47.45 | brac | [gremmy4.jpg] |
| 18:48.28 | elg | sigh. this dissertation is just sitting here mocking me today |
| 18:48.37 | elg | daring me to figure out what to write |
| 18:48.42 | levi | I hear they like to do that. |
| 18:48.55 | unum | so have you heard the song "stick shifts and saftey belts"? |
| 18:49.02 | levi | Who hasn't? |
| 18:49.07 | elg | ya. bench seat ftw |
| 18:49.14 | unum | in it there's a line about how his malibu has a bench seat |
| 18:49.17 | unum | guess what? |
| 18:49.22 | unum | I got robbed |
| 18:49.23 | elg | you got the shaft? |
| 18:49.33 | unum | yes |
| 18:49.34 | elg | bummer dude |
| 18:49.48 | unum | right between the seats of my malibu |
| 18:49.55 | elg | are there even any bench seat cars being made these days? besides big ugly trucks |
| 18:50.19 | jsmith | elg: Does Buick still make the Park Avenue? |
| 18:50.26 | jsmith | elg: It'd have a bench seat |
| 18:50.47 | levi | Here's another Gremlin with a chick: http://nozama.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/16/gremlin1.jpg |
| 18:50.48 | jsmith | elg: The Pontiac Bonneville probably still has a split bench option |
| 18:51.08 | jsmith | levi: Gremlin? The AMC Hornet was more of a chick magnet! |
| 18:51.13 | elg | jsmith: ok, and besides cars that only grandmas drive |
| 18:51.32 | jsmith | elg: No... only gradmas drive cars with bench seats |
| 18:51.37 | levi | jsmith: Yeah, well, find me pics of chicks with Hornets, then. ;) |
| 18:53.02 | levi | And the best Gremlin ever: http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/levis_gremlin_ad.jpg |
| 18:54.02 | elg | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xZrogjuKtjY/R7VnxAygfFI/AAAAAAAAA7o/eJwyyPdA0H8/s400/amc-hornet.jpg |
| 18:54.41 | jsmith | elg: Yeah... the James Bond movie stunt! |
| 18:55.04 | elg | you can't see the chicks in that picture because they all swooned |
| 18:55.12 | elg | they're there. trust me. |
| 18:55.16 | levi | http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/LevisGremlin_lede_resized.jpg |
| 18:55.39 | levi | Here's a guy *with* a chick who is obviously digging the Levi's Gremlin. |
| 18:55.48 | elg | that guy is totally into the, um, seats |
| 19:01.48 | Tene | that guy looks like he's about to kill and eat her. |
| 19:02.24 | jsmith | elg: If you want seats, check out http://skinnyboughtem.blogspot.com/2008/10/gucci-x-1972-amc-hornet-station-wagon.html |
| 19:03.57 | elg | alas(?) it finally gave up the ghost a few years back |
| 19:04.38 | elg | those are hip seats though |
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| 19:38.48 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHAHA: Today, I bought my girlfriend two tickets to a Broadway show that was coming through town she really wanted to see. I couldn't attend with her due to work so she said she would take her mom. I found out later she took her ex. Now they're back together, and I paid for the date that made it happen. FML |
| 19:38.53 | ^Migs^ | that's funny |
| 19:45.38 | goozbach | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufHcKeTO6Pw&NR=1 |
| 19:59.15 | goozbach | listening to my new punjabi rap station on pandora now |
| 19:59.18 | goozbach | good stuff |
| 20:13.03 | Sargun | Pizza my heart, EXTREME pizza, or La Victoria? |
| 20:13.14 | Sargun | goozbach, you like punjabi music? |
| 20:14.14 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: Wow. any girl who would do that - you don't wanna be with. |
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| 20:17.44 | sjansen | goozbach: I'm curious how you got introduced to Punjabi rap. |
| 20:22.08 | sjansen | So... reading through the backlog I'm getting the impression that my '95 Camry with rusting roof, missing hubcap, and broken antenna taped to the roof is _not_ going to improve my marriage prospects?! |
| 20:23.04 | elg | sjansen: does it have a bench seat? |
| 20:24.33 | sjansen | elg: No. But it is a coupe. |
| 20:24.44 | elg | hmm. they want me to teach a PHP class this summer |
| 20:25.52 | sjansen | "Welcome to PHP 101 for Complete Morons. I'll be your instructor this week, assuming your self worth is so low you don't realize that you can drop the class for free this week." |
| 20:27.54 | elg | i don't know if they actually care that it's php or if they just want to offer something on web programming. i might try to get them to choose something else |
| 20:28.35 | elg | but otoh, i assume the class is for nonprogrammers, and i'm having a hard time coming up with a language+framework that's as easy to dive into |
| 20:30.51 | sjansen | Python. |
| 20:31.01 | sjansen | Django. |
| 20:31.08 | elg | ruby. rails |
| 20:31.17 | elg | fine, but you have to teach a language and a framework |
| 20:31.37 | sjansen | It might be easier to dive head first in PHP, but the bottom is so shallow you'll end up with a lot of cracked skulls and brain damage. |
| 20:32.02 | Supaplex | dain brammage? nevar! |
| 20:32.50 | sjansen | They don't have to by Ruby or Python masters. Both languages are simple enough to basic apps can be written without systematically learning the language. |
| 20:32.59 | elg | i think it would have to be a lightweight framework that's easy to get into but backed by sound theory and would migrate to one of the grown up frameworks easily |
| 20:33.01 | sjansen | I suggest Python instead of Ruby for two reasons: |
| 20:33.28 | goozbach | Sargun: yes, I like punjabi music |
| 20:33.44 | goozbach | sjansen: to answer your question, it was David Hasselhoff |
| 20:33.46 | sjansen | 1) Python/Django focus on explicit over magic. While Ruby's Convention over Configuration is interesting, it makes it harder to understand. |
| 20:33.50 | goozbach | in an indirect way |
| 20:34.18 | sjansen | 2) The Python community has a strong tradition of quality documentation. Django especially. |
| 20:34.40 | goozbach | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES5_b90iU7c |
| 20:35.23 | sjansen | Ruby on the other hand... come one, be honest, documentation has never been Ruby's strength. And with the recent influx of PHP refugees, there's a lot of bad Rails examples out there. |
| 20:35.50 | elg | i've never had trouble with documentation post-pickaxe |
| 20:36.12 | elg | which is available online free, and ruby-doc.org for stlib docs |
| 20:36.23 | Jayce^ | goozbach: you scare me |
| 20:36.44 | elg | plus it's a class, I could require the rails book as a text |
| 20:37.12 | elg | if it came down to those two it'd probably go to rails because I already know it. otoh, it would be a good opportunity to learn some python which is on my list |
| 20:37.24 | elg | but i hope to have a job by then and the point be moot |
| 20:37.33 | sjansen | If you ask me, teaching anyone pure PHP these days is like teaching them assembly. Intellectually interesting, required for deep mastery, but hardly a practical starting point. |
| 20:38.54 | goozbach | Jayce^: why? |
| 20:39.14 | Jayce^ | your newfound taste in music is merely the latest example.. |
| 20:39.33 | Jayce^ | maybe I should start showing you some brasilian music videos via youtube.. |
| 20:39.57 | sjansen | goozbach: That's rap? |
| 20:41.18 | Jayce^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuDFPBv7oAU not sure if sjansen had the pleasure of hearing that band down there :) |
| 20:41.53 | Tene | I've had some issues with python documentation several times so far. |
| 20:41.57 | Tene | erm... django docs |
| 20:42.46 | sjansen | Jayce^: Really? You really, trully, honestly think there's _any_ possibility that someone in Brasil in the late 90's didn't hear about Mamonas Assassinas? |
| 20:43.51 | goozbach | Jayce^: the problem with brasilian music is that portuges is close unough to spanish I'm constntly translating it in my head |
| 20:44.05 | goozbach | punjabi is something I don't know word one of |
| 20:44.17 | Jayce^ | sjansen: well, they all died when I was still in my first area.. wasn't sure if you had :) |
| 20:44.40 | Jayce^ | people acted even more crazy that when I was a kid in Seattle and cobain blew his head off |
| 20:45.08 | Jayce^ | goozbach: then watch the videos.. look for "boca da garrafa" :) |
| 20:45.10 | sjansen | Mamonas Assassinas is a classic case student in how much a mediocre band can be benefit from a well timed plane crash. |
| 20:45.26 | Jayce^ | don't know if I can give them even mediocre.. |
| 20:45.38 | Jayce^ | they were a really bad gimmick, which does go over well down there.. |
| 20:45.38 | Sargun | goozbach, you're the amateur linguist, right |
| 20:45.46 | Jayce^ | they just crashed *before* burnout |
| 20:46.14 | sjansen | I'm not a big grunge fan, but even I find comparing Cobain to Mamonas obscene. |
| 20:46.40 | elg | i think he was comparing seattle to brazil ;-) |
| 20:46.41 | sjansen | Cobain demonstrated real talent. Mamonas Assassinas on the other hand... |
| 20:47.14 | Jayce^ | sjansen: was comparing the reaction.. was a crazy reaction in seattle when cobain died.. but even the town I was in went *nuts* beyond belief the day mamonas crashed |
| 20:58.43 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70BhBxwNVwY&feature=related |
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| 21:00.07 | Tene | sjansen: wtf? |
| 21:01.48 | goozbach | sjansen: not bad |
| 21:01.59 | goozbach | good rythmn |
| 21:02.06 | goozbach | love the accordion |
| 21:05.52 | sjansen | Tene: It's easier to understand if you speak portugues, but I think the general theme is obvious enough. |
| 21:06.22 | sjansen | goozbach: That'd be the Sertanejo part of the song. You should check it out, Sertanejo is good stuff. |
| 21:06.45 | sjansen | hopes to someday be able to add the festa at Barretos |
| 21:07.19 | Jayce^ | serteneja, just another name for a bad bad genre of whining |
| 21:07.44 | Jayce^ | brasil is one of the few places where you can cross rock and country, or rock and polka so obviously |
| 21:07.55 | sjansen | Jayce^: This from someone who grew up in Seattle? |
| 21:08.08 | Jayce^ | hey, we didn't mix those.. |
| 21:08.41 | sjansen | Yeah, but you built quite the industry around whining. |
| 21:09.37 | sjansen | Besides, anyone who thinks sertaneja is whining hasn't listed to it much. |
| 21:10.23 | sjansen | Like Country, most Sertaneja is more often about love than loss. More often about gratitude than need. |
| 21:11.54 | Jayce^ | meh, I was in caipira central.. |
| 21:13.01 | sjansen | And I served in a small town outside (Cai)Piracicaba. |
| 21:15.15 | Jayce^ | bah, only clip of samba poconé I can find is some odd mix.. |
| 21:15.44 | sjansen | Another of my areas had a statue of a pair local sertanejo singers at the entrance to the city. |
| 21:16.58 | sjansen | Tourists pay more attention to other parts of Brazil, but Sao Paulo really is a great state. |
| 21:17.37 | sjansen | Great diversity. Great native culture. |
| 21:17.49 | Jayce^ | there is no reason for tourism in minas gerais... unless you're catholic, a geologist, or a farmer |
| 21:18.06 | Jayce^ | BH is like going to visit detroit... |
| 21:18.11 | Jayce^ | or maybe chicago |
| 21:19.01 | Jayce^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUDK1kYBwx0 |
| 21:19.40 | sjansen | I liked Chicago. |
| 21:19.49 | Jayce^ | well, one of Skanks most famous ones is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVoTWgSaQk |
| 21:20.00 | Jayce^ | com o Minerão |
| 21:21.53 | sjansen | Like many good Country songs, many good Sertanejo songs tell a story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrzNLXt6uok&feature=related |
| 21:22.13 | sjansen | Unlike the poppy crap country they make too much of these days. |
| 21:22.54 | Jayce^ | wishes he still had his Máfia Azul shirt |
| 21:23.54 | sjansen | Jayce^: Re Skank: Nice. Haven't heard of them before. |
| 21:24.07 | Jayce^ | sjansen: great band, I have a couple of their albums |
| 21:24.17 | Jayce^ | mineiros of course |
| 21:24.20 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:24.28 | sjansen | At some point we'll be forced to mention Legiao Urbana. |
| 21:24.33 | Jayce^ | of course.. |
| 21:25.08 | sjansen | For those unfamiliar, I'd describe Legiao Urbana as Brazil's answer to U2. |
| 21:25.09 | Jayce^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqfTibAi9j8 |
| 21:25.32 | Jayce^ | sjansen: yeah, pretty close |
| 21:25.55 | Jayce^ | another one where the country was devastated when Renato died... though that time with good reason |
| 21:30.42 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you listen to paralamas? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut9HmSo9DVo |
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| 21:32.28 | sjansen | Kinda. I've got a song by them on a Reggae CD I got during my mission. Need to buy more by them. |
| 21:35.53 | Jayce^ | I'd link you to skank's garota nacional, but you need a censured version :) |
| 21:36.45 | Jayce^ | engenheiros do hawaii? |
| 21:37.50 | sjansen | Not familiar. |
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| 21:41.40 | Sargun | I wonder how goozbach's kids are going to come out |
| 21:41.44 | Sargun | I can only imagine the worst |
| 22:04.17 | sjansen | goozbach's kids are going to be awesome! |
| 22:07.12 | Jayce^ | goozbach: hope you weren't at Omni bank down there |
| 22:09.18 | goozbach | omni bank? |
| 22:10.28 | goozbach | heck no, we use a credit union |
| 22:10.37 | goozbach | a utah credit union to boot |
| 22:10.46 | Jayce^ | omni just got shut down |
| 22:11.11 | goozbach | ohh |
| 22:11.23 | Jayce^ | FDIC friday :) |
| 22:11.47 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 22:12.05 | goozbach | we're just worried about flooding is all |
| 22:12.17 | fozzmoo | flooding? |
| 22:12.38 | fozzmoo | Weren't you experiencing a water shortage six months ago? |
| 22:12.59 | fozzmoo | The government needs to DO SOMETHING! |
| 22:12.59 | sjansen | "Clarification - We are NOT affiliated with Omni National Bank of Atlanta, nor have we ever been." |
| 22:13.22 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Stop living in the past. |
| 22:13.52 | sjansen | I mean, geez, try to keep up. |
| 22:14.07 | goozbach | DOO SOMETHING!!!1 |
| 22:14.30 | fozzmoo | Oh, yeah, I blogged not too long ago about government doing something... http://fozzolog.fozzilinymoo.org/politics/2009/03/sowell-on-the-great-depression.html |
| 22:15.17 | sjansen | Heh, n/m. Looks like both Omni's are "participating in the FDIC's Transaction Account Guarantee Program". |
| 22:15.21 | goozbach | I just re-organized my presentations page: http://blog.friocorte.com/presentation/ |
| 22:15.55 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Nice. |
| 22:16.02 | fozzmoo | I'm really enjoying Cobbler. |
| 22:16.12 | fozzmoo | It was really easy to set up and start using. |
| 22:16.21 | fozzmoo | now I've got to figure out some fancier stuff... |
| 22:16.21 | goozbach | it's pretty cool, I'm using markdown to write my presentation stuff |
| 22:16.29 | goozbach | I have a markdown apache handler |
| 22:16.44 | fozzmoo | like how to get dhcpd.conf set up for two networks. |
| 22:16.58 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You've converted me. I'm blogging all in markdown/smartypants now. |
| 22:17.15 | elg | ~heart markdown |
| 22:17.15 | ibot | I ⤠markdown |
| 22:17.40 | sjansen | http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice |
| 22:17.55 | goozbach | I have a simple shell script which lists the directories in my presentation folder, pull out some metadata from each subdir, and generate an html include which I am including using mod ssi into my presentation page automatically |
| 22:18.24 | sjansen | I think that at this point it's safe to say the most people who claim to know anything about the economy, what is happening and what to do about, is either deluded or a liar. |
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| 22:19.26 | coldblue012 | Can anybody recommend a colo provider in the salt lake/orem/provo area? |
| 22:19.32 | goozbach | xmission |
| 22:19.34 | fozzmoo | coldblue012: XMission |
| 22:19.38 | goozbach | tier4 |
| 22:20.02 | coldblue012 | I found one place called Westhost but they don't do colo. I'll have to check those out. |
| 22:20.04 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I don't know if I'd recommend them... unless bandwidth isn't a priority. |
| 22:20.13 | fozzmoo | Westhost is in Cache Valley. |
| 22:20.21 | coldblue012 | I'll be relocating soon and I'd like to bring my 2u box with me. |
| 22:20.23 | fozzmoo | And, you're right, I don't think they do colo- just managed hosting. |
| 22:20.41 | fozzmoo | XMission is, by far, the most geek-friendly of any colo facilities. |
| 22:20.45 | unum | coldblue012: move to murray and get utopia :) |
| 22:20.57 | goozbach | anyway, my cool little presentation sync solution is pretty nifty |
| 22:20.57 | coldblue012 | What's in murray? FioS? |
| 22:21.02 | goozbach | I should blog about it |
| 22:21.04 | unum | coldblue012: ya |
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| 22:21.07 | goozbach | I should blog period |
| 22:21.09 | coldblue012 | That's hot. |
| 22:21.19 | unum | coldblue012: actually I take that back |
| 22:21.58 | coldblue012 | Murray is a little far actually. I'll be working in Orem. |
| 22:22.05 | unum | I think they have it to |
| 22:22.14 | coldblue012 | Who is the provider for that? |
| 22:22.19 | unum | provo has something similiar called iprovo but not as good |
| 22:22.30 | unum | you can through xmission, mstar and I'm not sure who else |
| 22:22.31 | unum | it's open |
| 22:22.34 | unum | so anyone can join |
| 22:22.51 | coldblue012 | Awesome. |
| 22:24.46 | {-} | http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/03/new-home-sales-fell-41-in-february-2009/ |
| 22:27.20 | unum | yep orem is one |
| 22:27.34 | unum | I'm not sure which cities have it built out yet |
| 22:27.49 | unum | word of warning it's mostly availiable only in houses |
| 22:27.57 | unum | but we are all xmission fan here |
| 22:28.08 | unum | we have to say that or the owner will hunt us down and kill us |
| 22:28.59 | {-} | Jayce^: Pandora just reminded me of a group. Titas. |
| 22:31.08 | coldblue012 | unum: lol. |
| 22:32.19 | coldblue012 | xmission's colo is a little pricey. |
| 22:32.37 | coldblue012 | $230/month for 2u and 1mbps commit |
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| 22:35.56 | coldblue012 | At that price, I might have to do real work with the box and not just play with it. |
| 22:42.34 | coldblue012 | Any opinions on C7 Data Centers? |
| 22:43.47 | fozzmoo | coldblue012: Center7 is the same as Tier4. |
| 22:44.13 | fozzmoo | They're one and the same now. |
| 22:44.25 | fozzmoo | They're not bad unless you want decent bandwidth. |
| 22:44.41 | fozzmoo | I have a client that moved from T4 to XMission and saw an amazing jump in responsiveness for their apps. |
| 22:44.42 | coldblue012 | What do you mean by that? |
| 22:44.50 | coldblue012 | Ohh, by latency ? |
| 22:45.19 | fozzmoo | Yeah- I don't know if it's crappy equipment at T4, crappy networks they're connected to, or what. |
| 22:45.28 | fozzmoo | XMission is, by far, the best-connected ISP in the same of Utah. |
| 22:46.01 | fozzmoo | I think they've got something like 37Gbps from 4 different provides, 2 or 3 of which tier-1. |
| 22:46.05 | coldblue012 | I'm not doing anything mission critical, just running Zimbra and some personal junk. |
| 22:46.13 | coldblue012 | That's pretty sweet. |
| 22:46.16 | fozzmoo | You'd be fine at T4/C7, then. |
| 22:46.34 | coldblue012 | I called them (t4) for a quote, we'll see how they stack up. |
| 22:47.07 | coldblue012 | I'm in Michigan right now and only paying $75 a month, so jumping to 230 is a little much. |
| 22:47.12 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 22:47.22 | coldblue012 | But you get what you pay for ;) |
| 22:47.26 | fozzmoo | Exactly. |
| 22:47.54 | fozzmoo | There are lots of lower end colos around, so finding one that charges under $100/mo should not be hard. |
| 22:48.01 | coldblue012 | I could just leave it where it is and use remote assist if I need anything. |
| 22:56.14 | JoshH | fozzmoo, not close to 37Gbps, but should be a bit over 30 by year end |
| 22:56.55 | JoshH | currently nlayer 10 gig, AFS, xo, verizon, level3 gig |
| 22:57.02 | JoshH | still the best connected though, afaik |
| 22:57.23 | fozzmoo | Oh. |
| 22:57.28 | fozzmoo | Maybe I was thinking 27. |
| 22:57.30 | fozzmoo | Sorry. |
| 22:57.50 | coldblue012 | That's still pretty decent. |
| 22:57.52 | JoshH | so 14 |
| 22:58.11 | fozzmoo | John told me there was a big 10Gbps set for Spring. |
| 22:58.26 | JoshH | trying to get xo and level3 upgraded to 10gig |
| 22:59.36 | coldblue012 | C7 wants 209/month |
| 23:00.14 | fozzmoo | Yikes. |
| 23:00.32 | coldblue012 | Yeah. |
| 23:00.35 | fozzmoo | coldblue012: Check out these guys: http://www.psionyx.net/ |
| 23:00.57 | coldblue012 | I'm asking for 2U, 2 outlets, 16 IPs, less than 1Mbps commit on 95%... |
| 23:01.05 | fozzmoo | they say "Solutions start at $75/month." |
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