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| 01:08.41 | levi | Man, the linux sound situation is ridiculous. |
| 01:09.49 | levi | I'm trying to get mythvideo to play sound via mplayer, but apparently my sound card doesn't do hardware mixing in that situation, so I need to use some form of software mixing. |
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| 01:54.17 | levi | elg: This just makes me mad. |
| 02:32.31 | elg | ya |
| 02:40.49 | elg | at least with mplayer it should be a straightforward fix. either fix the mythvideo mplayer invocation or add it to your mplayer config (~/.mplayer/config) |
| 02:48.53 | Tene | It's still a bit silly that the default audio interface doesn't fall back to some kind of software mixing. |
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| 02:59.40 | levi | elg: Geez, I feel stupid now. The solution was to tell mplayer to use alsa:output=spdif or something like that. |
| 02:59.58 | elg | ah, spdif. I wish I had that problem. ;-) |
| 03:00.09 | levi | It came on my motherboard. |
| 03:00.11 | elg | I do have spdif out, but nothing that would connect to it |
| 03:00.27 | levi | Oh. I have a cheap receiver I bought used up here. :) |
| 03:00.35 | elg | Tene: but that's the point - the default *is* software mixing when necessary |
| 03:00.41 | elg | it's only apps that subvert the default that screw up |
| 03:00.53 | levi | And some equally cheap speakers that I should replace now that I can get cheap good speakers. |
| 03:00.59 | elg | or fancy setups like spdif ;-) |
| 03:01.13 | levi | So, I have Vista Business running in Virtual PC now. |
| 03:02.22 | levi | I'm pondering installing it as my primary Windows OS, since it's the only Windows I have a legit license for. :P |
| 03:04.06 | fozzmoo | levi: What do you use Windows for? |
| 03:04.20 | levi | fozzmoo: Lots of stuff. |
| 03:04.40 | levi | Games, Office, school stuff that has to be turned in on Windows, etc. |
| 03:04.54 | levi | The usual sorts of things people use Windows for. |
| 03:05.12 | fozzmoo | I see. I only use it for video editing... but I'm not in school anymore. |
| 03:09.28 | levi | I wouldn't have purchased Vista, but since their 'academic alliance' thing gets it for me free... |
| 03:10.50 | levi | fozzmoo: So, what do you think of the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? |
| 03:11.15 | fozzmoo | I think government bailouts are an improper role of govt. |
| 03:11.55 | fozzmoo | I'm sure not bailing them out would be painful for the markets, but I think it will be less painful than taking on hundreds of billions (if not trillions) in bad debts onto the taxpayers' backs. |
| 03:13.40 | fozzmoo | Plus, it sends a bad message to consumers and businesses that conducting irresponsible business transactions is okay, that the government will save you from the negative consequences. |
| 03:14.01 | fozzmoo | How's that for a position statement? |
| 03:14.27 | levi | I'm not entirely sure what the immediate effects of their failure would be. |
| 03:15.10 | fozzmoo | The stock value, whatever's left of it, would plunge. |
| 03:15.40 | fozzmoo | That would suck... but that's what's supposed to happen when a mortgage house runs itself into the ground. |
| 03:24.22 | levi | Time to watch Serenity. |
| 03:37.27 | elg | levi: aside from the extra clicking for security, I think I'd probably pick vista for a windows os |
| 03:37.39 | elg | i wouldn't pay for it if I already had, say, xp |
| 03:37.47 | elg | but other things being equal.. |
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| 14:50.59 | Sargun_Screen | bacon! |
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| 14:59.55 | high_roller | peppered bacon? |
| 15:01.03 | Sargun_Screen | salted bacon! |
| 15:01.35 | high_roller | darn-it now i want some bacon |
| 15:01.51 | Jayce^ | just ordered more "canned bacon" for storage |
| 15:02.07 | Jayce^ | got some nice dry-cured peppered bacon this weekend too :) |
| 15:03.31 | eggyknap | bacon vodka anyone? http://news.bostonherald.com/entertainment/food_dining/food/view.bg?articleid=1116542 |
| 15:03.58 | Jayce^ | bacon chocolate |
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| 15:28.24 | elg | ~vote tensai |
| 15:28.24 | ibot | ACTION stuffs tensai in a ballot box |
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| 16:00.03 | fozzmoo | http://blog.utos.org/2008/09/08/paul-frields-and-mac-newbolds-keynotes-available-on-opensourcetvtv/ |
| 16:09.26 | ^Migs^ | http://www.socksandbarney.com/comics/2008-09-01-socksbarney_181.gif |
| 16:15.40 | sjansen | I'll vote for the first person that promises to donate Nancy Grace and Ann Coulter to Venezuela. |
| 16:16.14 | Jayce^ | sjansen, what *you* don't like Ann? |
| 16:16.56 | Jayce^ | actually, ann in venezuala would be a very funny thing.. Chavez's media controls would burst within a day |
| 16:17.24 | maquis | glares at this system |
| 16:17.52 | hjp_away | anyone seen the new esquire? |
| 16:18.14 | levi | Not in the habit of reading esquire. Why would we be interested in the new one? |
| 16:18.22 | Jayce^ | levi, beat me to it... |
| 16:18.34 | hjp_away | heh |
| 16:18.40 | hjp_away | Their cover is e-paper. |
| 16:19.04 | hjp_away | I'm not interested in the magazine, just the tech. |
| 16:20.05 | levi | The cover of the magazine is made of e-paper, or the cover story is about e-paper? |
| 16:20.14 | hjp_away | The cover of the magazine is e-paper |
| 16:20.24 | levi | Huh, that's definitely interesting. |
| 16:20.34 | maquis | e-ink is pretty cool stuff |
| 16:20.37 | maquis | wants a kindle |
| 16:20.39 | hjp_away | I believe it's the first commercial use of e-paper actually being used as paper |
| 16:20.53 | hjp_away | as opposed to the backing to a watch or some other piece of tech. |
| 16:20.58 | eggyknap | http://gizmodo.com/5046575/esquires-e+ink-cover-hits-newsstands-blinking-disappointment |
| 16:21.13 | eggyknap | (includes video of the blinkenlichten) |
| 16:21.24 | hjp_away | hmm m... that doesn't sound good ... I'd just heard about it. |
| 16:21.37 | hjp_away | That's why I wanted to know if anyone had seen it. |
| 16:22.46 | levi | Sweet, <blink> tag for magazine covers! :P |
| 16:22.53 | hjp_away | heh |
| 16:24.06 | harleypig | geez ... some of the comments are so finicky. |
| 16:28.39 | maquis | ouch... blink tag |
| 16:28.43 | harleypig | Does anyone know if zmonkey is local? |
| 16:29.24 | harleypig | Yeah, but it's cool, new tech! |
| 16:29.38 | harleypig | Gotta wonder if some geek slipped that in their as a joke ... |
| 16:29.44 | harleypig | s/their/there/ |
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| 16:33.45 | harleypig | You know you're online too much when you can't think of someone's nick, just their real name, and you think "What the heck is Joe's real name?" |
| 16:34.38 | fozzmoo | As much as I enjoy Ann Coulter, I agree she's basically a skinny Michael Moore. Send em both to Venezuela |
| 16:35.51 | harleypig | I don't know much about Ann Coulter but if she's anything like Michael Moore then they should marooned in the South Pacific with their hamstrings cut. |
| 16:36.33 | fozzmoo | I've read one of her books (Treason) and found it to be a lot less hot air than her usually punditry. |
| 16:36.52 | fozzmoo | But her usual punditry usually consists of a large catapult and large amounts of mud. |
| 16:37.33 | fozzmoo | I mean, her latest book is "If Democrats had any brains, they'd be Republicans." |
| 16:37.50 | fozzmoo | That offends me. |
| 16:37.55 | harleypig | well, I find it hard to disagree with that ... |
| 16:37.56 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:38.05 | harleypig | are you democrat? |
| 16:38.12 | fozzmoo | No, I'm not. |
| 16:38.23 | fozzmoo | I'm registered republican, but I'm not happy with the parties in general right now. |
| 16:38.53 | fozzmoo | They're both taking us to socialism, albeit one faster than the other. |
| 16:39.32 | fozzmoo | So, in my mind, Coulter's title discredits her greatly simply because she's admitting she's a shill for the GOP. |
| 16:40.50 | Tene | It discredits her more for her to admit it instead of trying to keep pretending that she isn't? |
| 16:41.01 | unum | I thought the republicans were taking us to authoritarianism |
| 16:41.26 | unum | contrary to conservative belief socialism and authoratianism are NOT the same thing |
| 16:41.33 | harleypig | I've been a democrat(ish) for most of my adult life ... |
| 16:41.57 | harleypig | the last 5 I've been leaning more and more towards republican ... this year I've pretty much just given up on the democrats. |
| 16:42.32 | harleypig | unum: They are both taking us to a police state ... |
| 16:43.15 | Tene | I still can't keep track of which party has which name. Every time I want to talk politics I have to hit wikipedia first. |
| 16:43.22 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:43.45 | Tene | I've tried making up mneumonics, other kinds of memory aids, no luck. |
| 16:43.47 | unum | my family members tell me that matheson is more "republican" than bishop |
| 16:44.12 | unum | I always have to ask the person I'm talking to what they mean when they say "republican", "conservative", etc |
| 16:44.48 | unum | my family's definition is so messed up that a federal ammendment to the constitution to ban gay marriage would be "liberal" |
| 16:44.50 | harleypig | That's the best way to do it ... |
| 16:45.01 | unum | I don't know many people that would accept that... |
| 16:45.02 | harleypig | ;D |
| 16:45.10 | harleypig | s/;/:/ |
| 16:45.12 | harleypig | meh |
| 16:46.20 | eggyknap | didn't realize until now that Chrome was available only for Windows. |
| 16:46.35 | eggyknap | I've been uninterested, and hadn't looked. |
| 16:46.54 | harleypig | Yeah, it's kind of annoying. |
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| 16:51.27 | unum | http://www.youtube.com/v/bNX-MYIYhLQ <- I identify with that all too well |
| 16:52.57 | unum | anyone ever use uno with c?? |
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| 16:52.59 | unum | c++ |
| 16:54.02 | harleypig | I bought a 'Monster Energy "BFC"' can this morning ... 32fl oz. |
| 16:54.11 | harleypig | Wonder what the BFC stands for ... |
| 16:56.28 | peno | big fancy can |
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| 17:04.18 | harleypig | funky |
| 17:04.23 | harleypig | farcical |
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| 17:06.37 | harleypig | wow .. this is like drinking smartees. |
| 17:06.46 | harleypig | I think I like Amp better. |
| 17:08.34 | maquis | drinking smartees? |
| 17:08.44 | maquis | is that like drinking really dry kool aid? |
| 17:09.17 | harleypig | heh ... no like someone dumped a bunch of smartees in a bottle and added just enough water to liquify it. |
| 17:10.05 | sjansen | You mean like like adding a can of sprite to a can of kool-aid mix? |
| 17:10.21 | harleypig | there you go ... sjansen gets the prize. |
| 17:10.39 | harleypig | a life time supply of monster energy drink |
| 17:10.41 | harleypig | 10 cans. |
| 17:11.10 | sjansen | declines to accept that prize because uhm.... |
| 17:11.43 | sjansen | I was using a performance enhancing substance. It wouldn't be right. Give it to maquis instead. |
| 17:11.43 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:15.18 | harleypig | Monster *is* a performance enhancing substance ... |
| 17:15.30 | harleypig | or inhibiting ... I can't remember which. |
| 17:15.52 | maquis | hides |
| 17:15.58 | harleypig | Too late. |
| 17:16.09 | harleypig | It'll be on your desk when you get back. |
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| 17:42.17 | harleypig | arghh ... gnome just crashed hard ... screen blank, couldn't even switch to terminal ... |
| 17:42.24 | harleypig | I really dislike gnome. |
| 17:42.38 | maquis | harleypig: then why do you use it? |
| 17:43.08 | harleypig | Cause I play with kde too much ... |
| 17:43.11 | harleypig | I use kde at home. |
| 17:43.23 | maquis | why not use something else? |
| 17:43.28 | Sargun_Screen | gnome really dislikes you! |
| 17:43.37 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:43.50 | elg | in soviet russia |
| 17:43.55 | elg | the gnomes really dislike you |
| 17:44.09 | harleypig | maquis: I don't have a lot of time to explore different wm's ... do you know of any that compiz works well with without futzing about? |
| 17:44.21 | harleypig | Cause, I like my eye candy. |
| 17:45.30 | maquis | beryl? |
| 17:45.35 | maquis | i dunno |
| 17:45.37 | maquis | i use evilwm |
| 17:45.38 | Jayce^ | harleypig, isnt' that why you have seth in your cube? |
| 17:45.48 | harleypig | seth is eye candy? |
| 17:45.49 | maquis | and i rarely have any desire to try anything else |
| 17:46.01 | Jayce^ | for you :) |
| 17:46.19 | maquis | when i do have the rare desire to try something else, it takes me about 30 seconds to remember why i was happy with evilwm |
| 17:46.46 | eggyknap | ion ftw |
| 17:47.11 | elg | ion is cool if your apps cooperate |
| 17:47.24 | maquis | i tried out ion very briefly, but there were too many commands to remember |
| 17:47.27 | maquis | and then i tried gimp |
| 17:47.37 | eggyknap | Mostly mine do cooperate. I almost never use gimp. |
| 17:47.39 | elg | gimp would be an example of uncooperative app :) |
| 17:47.39 | maquis | and then i decided ion was definitely not happy for me |
| 17:47.43 | eggyknap | But yea, gimp is a pain in ion |
| 17:48.03 | harleypig | Jayce^: you mean, compared to me |
| 17:48.35 | eggyknap | Also, anything based on Processing/Wired seems to fail badly. |
| 17:49.15 | Jayce^ | harleypig, nah, I just know your esoteric tastes.. |
| 17:49.20 | harleypig | ... |
| 17:49.30 | harleypig | Ummm ... not as well as you might think. :> |
| 17:49.47 | elg | i think you should educate Jayce^ a bit more |
| 17:49.55 | elg | i'll sell tickets |
| 17:58.08 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:58.27 | harleypig | maquis: I blame you! I installed evilwm and my gnome installation is b0rked! |
| 17:58.47 | maquis | harleypig: what'd you do to it? |
| 17:58.59 | maquis | i claim no knowledge of how evil and gnome interact |
| 17:59.10 | maquis | i don't have gnome on my machines |
| 17:59.13 | harleypig | Me! I didn't do anything! Other than install it. :> |
| 17:59.30 | harleypig | Ah well, it *does* have the word 'evil' in the title... |
| 17:59.46 | maquis | i also never suggested installing it... it doesn't work with compiz, last i checked |
| 17:59.54 | maquis | i simply said that was what i use |
| 17:59.57 | harleypig | actually, it looks like the panels just aren't starting. |
| 18:00.14 | harleypig | feh |
| 18:00.23 | elg | harleypig: try rm -rf /usr/share/gnome |
| 18:00.38 | maquis | ooh... that sounds like a good start... |
| 18:00.45 | harleypig | ummm ... kthxbye |
| 18:00.48 | harleypig | :] |
| 18:00.58 | maquis | harleypig: is it trying to run gnome with evilwm as the associated wm? |
| 18:01.02 | maquis | because that might not work.... |
| 18:01.08 | harleypig | I don't think so ... |
| 18:01.12 | maquis | evil is not fully standards compliant, last i checked... |
| 18:01.26 | harleypig | It doesn't look like it. |
| 18:01.28 | maquis | and it's a little more minimal than what gnome is probably expecting |
| 18:02.44 | harleypig | nope ... gnome-panel just didn't start for some reason. |
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| 18:53.09 | sjansen | GNOME's rock solid for me on Fedora and Ubuntu. |
| 18:53.15 | sjansen | You must be doing something wrong. |
| 18:53.23 | sjansen | Stop doing something wrong. |
| 18:53.36 | sjansen | Then all will be good. |
| 18:54.14 | harleypig | heh |
| 18:54.32 | harleypig | I'm not dinking with it. |
| 18:54.58 | harleypig | My kde setup at home is all kinds of tweaked, but this gnome setup barely has any personalizations, let alone tweaks. |
| 18:58.37 | Jayce^ | he's running gnome, that's wrong enough |
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| 19:00.50 | harleypig | yeah, exactly |
| 19:00.56 | harleypig | mrpull-: how'd the interview go? |
| 19:01.31 | Tene | harleypig: "wm that works well with compiz"? I don't understand what you're asking for. Compiz is a wm. |
| 19:01.54 | harleypig | I thought it was a layer on top of a wm |
| 19:02.15 | Tene | Nope. Compiz is a WM of its own. |
| 19:02.34 | harleypig | So how does it work with gnome and kde then? |
| 19:02.35 | Tene | When you tell Gnome to use compiz, it replaces metacity. |
| 19:02.59 | harleypig | ah |
| 19:03.01 | Tene | Metacity and Kwin also can both do the same things that Compiz does, I think. |
| 19:03.08 | Tene | I haven't tried, so can't confirm. |
| 19:03.35 | Tene | There's also xcompmgr, which does fancy transparency stuff on top of any WM. |
| 19:05.18 | tensai | elg: http://www.seriouseats.com/2008/09/bacon-soap-how-to-make-your-own.html |
| 19:06.16 | sjansen | Metacity can do basic compositing, but nothing as fancy as Compiz[ Fusion]. |
| 19:06.18 | harleypig | kwin has some minimal tie ins, but not as much as compiz. |
| 19:06.36 | sjansen | What distro? |
| 19:06.45 | sjansen | What video card? |
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| 19:30.20 | maquis | Tene: *any* wm? or standard wms? |
| 19:41.55 | elg | http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/08/ual-tribune-bankruptcy-biz-media-cz_ja_tvr_0908ualstory.html |
| 19:43.13 | Tene | maquis: afaik, any WM. |
| 19:43.30 | sjansen | ~ICCCT |
| 19:46.12 | sjansen | ~ICCCM |
| 19:46.44 | goozbach | ~ICBMMW |
| 19:46.58 | goozbach | ~dict icbmmw |
| 19:47.03 | sjansen | ~define ICCCM |
| 19:47.03 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 19:47.08 | sjansen | ~dict ICCCM |
| 19:47.26 | sjansen | ~dict goozbach |
| 19:47.35 | maquis | ~dict maquis |
| 19:47.37 | sjansen | goozbach: Proof you do not exist! |
| 19:47.46 | maquis | i exist |
| 19:47.58 | sjansen | Lousy Frenchie. |
| 19:48.01 | maquis | unfortunately, i'm french |
| 19:48.05 | maquis | ~dict 1 maquis |
| 19:48.20 | maquis | ~dict 3 maquis |
| 19:48.29 | maquis | hmm |
| 19:48.31 | maquis | i'm very french |
| 19:48.35 | maquis | ~wiki maquis |
| 19:54.14 | maquis | wow... didn't even discuss the star trek version |
| 19:54.29 | maquis | mmm... something smells really good |
| 19:54.44 | levi | It's my brownie bites. |
| 19:56.19 | sjansen | ~steal levi's brownies |
| 19:56.20 | ibot | ACTION grabs levi's brownies and gives it to sjansen |
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| 20:08.53 | Sargun | Aren't you french? |
| 20:09.13 | maquis | me? |
| 20:09.13 | maquis | no |
| 20:10.10 | sjansen | Computer industry pioneer Steve Wozniak, a collector of phone numbers, obtained the phone number 888-8888, but it proved unusable: Children playing with phones would dial it, resulting in more than a hundred wrong numbers a day. -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.09/woz_pr.html |
| 20:21.57 | Sargun | Lucky bastard. |
| 20:22.44 | Sargun | the best number I got is 235-1100 |
| 20:27.24 | sjansen | ~smote Sargun for insulting the name of the Woz |
| 20:27.35 | sjansen | ~smite Sargun for insulting the name of the Woz |
| 20:27.36 | ibot | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves Sargun for insulting the name of the Woz from crown to sole. |
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| 20:46.38 | Sargun | HSQLDB! |
| 20:46.58 | Sargun | ~lart sjansen for smiting sargun in the name of woz |
| 20:46.58 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on sjansen for smiting sargun in the name of woz |
| 20:47.06 | findlay | why do we still let novice programmers like me code in c++? |
| 20:47.21 | findlay | why does anyone let anyone else code in c++ without a good reason? |
| 20:47.33 | maquis | findlay: dunno |
| 20:47.46 | Sargun | Why does anyone code in C++? |
| 20:48.21 | findlay | suddenly and shockingly re encounters ugly c++ code |
| 20:49.04 | sjansen | A sane subset of C++ used under careful supervision can produce fast, portable, maintainable code at a reasonable expense. How many other languages can do the same? |
| 20:49.46 | findlay | oh sure, sjansen, way to hide your C praise :) |
| 20:50.04 | sjansen | heh, hadn't thought of it that way |
| 20:50.32 | sjansen | levi: BTW, have you ever looked at Falcon? http://falconpl.org/ |
| 20:50.46 | findlay | is that like apl? |
| 20:50.57 | findlay | or gpl? |
| 20:51.06 | findlay | or just pl? |
| 20:51.20 | findlay | Sargun.pl |
| 20:51.27 | maquis | heh |
| 20:51.29 | levi | sjansen: Nope, never seen it before. |
| 20:51.38 | maquis | i saw sjansen's comment and thought "hmmm... and that subset would be C?" |
| 20:52.39 | Tene | also. |
| 20:52.45 | sjansen | levi: Looks interesting. Now I'm looking for an excuse to play with it. |
| 20:52.52 | Tene | When I first read it, I thought he was describing C. |
| 20:53.27 | Tene | sjansen: write a parrot compiler for it. :) |
| 20:55.04 | levi | Presumably he'd allow for some of the features in C++ that are not in C, or there would be no point to saying you're using C++. |
| 20:55.40 | levi | I would say that the allowable subset would differ from project to project, depending on needs. |
| 20:57.11 | findlay | levi: and isn't that one of the main ideas of c++: use what you need when you need it and everything else won't hurt you? |
| 20:57.31 | levi | findlay: Yes. |
| 20:59.33 | levi | sjansen: Looks vaguely interesting to me, but I don't really feel drawn to it. What makes it interesting to you? |
| 21:00.27 | findlay | c++'s stream style syntax comes in handy sometimes, but when you need to do any kind of in the middle manipulation of the format it's almost painful to look at, and of course the c++ groupthink won't let you just use plain old format strings |
| 21:00.54 | sjansen | I want to see how cleanly it mixes the paradigms. I'm also interested in the claims it makes accessing C style binary data in a scripted language easy. |
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| 21:02.16 | levi | sjansen: What's 'C-style binary data'? |
| 21:02.38 | sjansen | bit fields, structs, C++ objects |
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| 21:10.08 | elg | which would be more reliable for long-term storage? mini-dv, dvd-r, something else? |
| 21:10.24 | elg | long-term as in want to watch home videos when the kids are grown and we have white or no hair |
| 21:11.56 | sparn | i'd say hard disk |
| 21:12.32 | sparn | wrapped in real tin foil and placed in static bag with lots of those moisture bags |
| 21:13.00 | harleypig | MONKEYS! |
| 21:13.07 | elg | and in 20 years - IDE? SATA? what's that? |
| 21:13.44 | harleypig | CDA ... |
| 21:13.50 | sparn | well i have 20 year old drives that still work - so what is your point |
| 21:13.51 | harleypig | CDRA |
| 21:13.57 | sjansen | hard drive periodically copied onto newer media |
| 21:13.58 | harleypig | cross dimensional random access |
| 21:14.07 | Heartsbane | lol |
| 21:14.20 | sjansen | Don't expect any storage media we use today to have working readers in 20 years. |
| 21:14.33 | elg | yeah, periodic copying is probably a given |
| 21:14.47 | Heartsbane | not unless you are a willing to store the reader too |
| 21:14.49 | harleypig | I expect readers to be able to read any storage device a la Star Trek! |
| 21:14.52 | sparn | well i have 5 1"4 floppy drives that still work and they are 25 years old |
| 21:14.55 | sjansen | If forced, I'd say tape has the best chance of still being around when cockroaches rule the earth. |
| 21:15.25 | harleypig | scotch or duct? |
| 21:15.27 | sparn | i have 30 year old 8" floppy drives that i know will still work also |
| 21:16.20 | sjansen | sparn: That's nice. What do you recommend using to store and transport 5000 pounds of family videos on floppy? |
| 21:16.37 | Heartsbane | sjansen: when roaches rule the earth, will it still be democratic, or will they be using some roach monarchy |
| 21:16.43 | harleypig | sjansen: double that ... you have to have redundancy |
| 21:16.51 | sparn | bs |
| 21:17.02 | harleypig | ballsack? |
| 21:17.11 | harleypig | beetlesh*t? |
| 21:17.22 | harleypig | bungee swing |
| 21:17.33 | Heartsbane | laughs. |
| 21:17.42 | sjansen | elg: In other words, pick something that's easy and convenient for periodic copying. I think USB hard drive currently wins by that criteria. |
| 21:17.52 | sparn | if you have 5000 lbs of family videos then that is all you ever did was live to take videos of lives never lived but to pose for family videos |
| 21:18.01 | harleypig | I still think cross dimensional storage is the wave of the future. |
| 21:18.29 | elg | i agree sjansen. but then i'd have to buy another, so I'll pick the next best for now - dvds |
| 21:18.42 | Tene | sparn: not if you're storing your videos on floppies |
| 21:18.46 | elg | with an eye to pick up another external hdd when i see a good deal |
| 21:18.57 | Tene | sparn: how much would a single DVD worth of video weigh when stored on floppies? |
| 21:19.04 | harleypig | sparn ... even with ogg, video takes up a lot of space ... I believe you could only store 30 seconds on a floppy ... might even be less. |
| 21:19.46 | sparn | elg - use a pata drive - i'll have a working drive available for use - at $20 an hour in 2028 dollars |
| 21:19.49 | sjansen | elg: There's Fugal cheap, and then there's just plain ridiculous. With terabyte sized drives going for a reasonable price, why not splurge and buy at least 500GB? You can get it for < $200 these days. |
| 21:20.01 | maquis | frugal fugal |
| 21:20.13 | Tene | I see a 1TB drive available for $150 |
| 21:20.25 | elg | sjansen: the question is not why not, but when |
| 21:20.36 | Tene | http://www.supermediastore.com/western-digital-1000gb-wd10eacs-sata300-7200rpm-caviar-gp-hard-drive.html |
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| 21:21.03 | elg | i'm currently on the recharge cycle for buying hard drives. I got a big sweet-spot drive when 200G was the sweetspot, and it's still doing me well |
| 21:21.24 | elg | i occasionally need to offload some stuff off of it, to make room for normal usage patterns |
| 21:21.28 | harleypig | http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/index.asp?cat=8&language=en |
| 21:21.30 | elg | on the order a few tens of gigabytes |
| 21:21.38 | elg | DVDs are a more accessible price point there |
| 21:21.39 | harleypig | My Book Terabyte drive, slightly more than $200 ... |
| 21:21.54 | elg | these videos, whlie long-term important, are just wasting usable space right now. |
| 21:22.18 | elg | i wish I had a tape drive. that'd be awesome :) |
| 21:22.26 | elg | always wanted a tape drive |
| 21:22.29 | harleypig | 8 track or cassette? |
| 21:22.34 | sparn | tapes need to be retensioned a lot |
| 21:22.57 | sjansen | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136166 <-- 500GB for $130 |
| 21:23.12 | eggyknap | re: (Much) earlier conversation about the esquire e-ink cover page: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/09/esquire_eink_cover_hackin.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 |
| 21:23.19 | eggyknap | (Make Magazine dissects the cover) |
| 21:23.45 | elg | that's $130 I shouldn't spend until May at the earliest |
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| 21:23.59 | Tene | sjansen: mine is 2x as much for $20 more |
| 21:24.00 | elg | we're living off 8k until may, if we can pull it off |
| 21:24.41 | harleypig | woah ... 2TB $450 ... |
| 21:25.52 | sjansen | Tene: Mine comes with enclosure and an online vendor I trust. |
| 21:25.57 | elg | and of course in may I'll probably be able to buy a petabyte for $300 ;-) |
| 21:25.57 | Tene | feh |
| 21:26.06 | Tene | didn't you know? it's only BITS that matter. |
| 21:26.17 | harleypig | what about nibbles? |
| 21:26.19 | Tene | See? I capitalized "bits". |
| 21:26.20 | harleypig | or nybbles. |
| 21:26.29 | elg | so size matters? |
| 21:26.37 | harleypig | yeah, cause in England bits are something else entirely ... |
| 21:26.49 | harleypig | or does it have to have 'naughty' prepended to it ... |
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| 22:23.30 | unum | finally found it : http://beijing.sports.pressakey.net/schedule.php |
| 22:23.38 | unum | we got mercied by china, that's not good |
| 22:24.48 | elg | mercied? |
| 22:25.34 | unum | once you have a ten point difference they call the game |
| 22:28.59 | mrpull- | unum: i hadn't heard of goalball. how do they know which direction their goal is? |
| 22:40.30 | sjansen | Words of wisdom from Tene: "You wouldn't show up to work without pants. So don't forget to put your shell script variables in quotes." |
| 22:41.28 | sjansen | Much better than Stuart's rule of shell script variables: "Always put shell script variables in quotes unless you have a very, very good reason not to." |
| 22:42.03 | Tene | mrpull-: how do you know in any other sighted game? |
| 22:48.01 | mrpull- | Tene: it depends of course on the game. it'd be interesting if they had a different buzzers on each end to help keep track of which direction is which. |
| 22:48.09 | mrpull- | maybe the action is slower than i envisioned |
| 22:48.49 | mrpull- | and they can keep their bearings better than i expected |
| 22:51.39 | mrpull- | my brother has a blind friend that is a hell of a golfer |
| 22:51.55 | mrpull- | he could beat me on any course by several strokes |
| 23:02.01 | levi | How does a blind person know where to aim in golf? |
| 23:03.09 | Sargun | Why does a blind person play golf? |
| 23:03.13 | JoshH | i've always wondered about those braille plaques next to elevators and bathrooms... how is a blind person going to even know the plaque is there to feel? |
| 23:03.56 | goozbach | JoshH: their dogs are trained to place them right in front of the plaque |
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| 23:04.09 | JoshH | seriously? |
| 23:05.02 | goozbach | JoshH: yup |
| 23:05.20 | goozbach | I was curious about the same thing, so I asked my blind friend about that once |
| 23:05.25 | JoshH | interesting, i wonder if the dogs ever get confused by other random signs/plaques on the wall |
| 23:05.38 | goozbach | he said that happens from time to time |
| 23:05.47 | goozbach | new places and whatnot |
| 23:05.53 | Sargun | stupid dogs. |
| 23:05.54 | Sargun | :-P |
| 23:06.02 | goozbach | stupid sarguns |
| 23:06.28 | Sargun | We have some interesting technology to replace special assistance dogs. |
| 23:08.06 | mrpull- | levi: the people playing with him guide him... but aiming is a very small part of golf |
| 23:08.30 | mrpull- | reproducing the right swing each time is much more important than aiming correctly |
| 23:09.37 | mrpull- | <sigh> i've got a PC that locks up memtest86 100% of the time on test #3 |
| 23:10.03 | mrpull- | but all the other memory tests i've used are coming up ok |
| 23:12.14 | fozzmoo | http://flickr.com/photos/memilyrae/2830127120/ <-- Look at me. I'm reading Drudge! gheh heh. |
| 23:36.58 | Tene | I just threw this together: http://pleasedieinafire.net/cgi-bin/regex-graph |
| 23:38.24 | harleypig | Tene: problem ... /^.*?(car)$/ doesn't work right. |
| 23:38.47 | Tene | Yeah, I need to escape stuff. |
| 23:38.52 | Tene | Lessee... |
| 23:39.00 | harleypig | nm ... don't include the /'s |
| 23:41.33 | harleypig | It handles one of my favorites well: ^\s*(.*)\s*$ |
| 23:42.31 | harleypig | even ^\s*(.*)?\s*$ works ... nice |
| 23:44.06 | harleypig | It didn't like ^\s*(.*)?(?:#.*)?\s*$ |
| 23:45.51 | goozbach | it didn't like my substitution |
| 23:47.15 | harleypig | It didn't like ^\s*(.*)?(#.*)?\s*$ either |
| 23:53.48 | Tene | There, now it's using URI::Escape |
| 23:54.09 | Tene | harleypig: that example works now |
| 23:54.23 | harleypig | yeah ... just tried ... very cool. |
| 23:54.48 | Tene | It's using GraphViz::Regex |
| 23:55.02 | harleypig | Does it handle the more advanced/esoteric perl regex stuff? |
| 23:55.14 | harleypig | Can't think of an example, I don't use those that often. |
| 23:55.27 | harleypig | I'll have to checkout that module. |
| 23:55.34 | Tene | http://pleasedieinafire.net/regex-graph has the source |
| 23:55.38 | Tene | It can. |
| 23:55.48 | Tene | It just runs another perl with: use debug 're' |
| 23:55.54 | Tene | And watches how it compiles |
| 23:58.50 | harleypig | ah ... interesting. |
| 23:58.57 | harleypig | and, again, very cool. |
