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| 01:04.26 | findlay | fine, leave |
| 01:20.54 | levi | I'm here. |
| 01:27.18 | findlay | yay |
| 01:42.03 | levi | What's up? |
| 01:44.04 | findlay | just doing homework |
| 02:21.44 | levi | llllz.,lzl.ikxjisodopofrp3oppp;; |
| 02:23.35 | levi | Hah, my daughter found the keyboard. |
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| 03:12.03 | levi | findlay: So, what kind of homework are you doing? |
| 03:12.11 | levi | findlay: And when does your semester end? |
| 03:41.09 | findlay | levi: BYU math 343 online |
| 03:43.52 | levi | 343... Linear Algebra? |
| 03:43.57 | findlay | yes |
| 03:44.02 | levi | Ahh, fun. |
| 03:44.19 | levi | Didn't know they offered classes like that online. |
| 03:44.30 | findlay | it's the highest math class BYU offers |
| 03:44.42 | levi | I think I'd prefer to take math classes in class. |
| 03:44.50 | findlay | blame Sargun for my deciding to take it online |
| 03:45.03 | levi | You listened to Sargun's advice? |
| 03:45.15 | findlay | well, I'm just taking this to get it out of the way, since I know almost all the material already |
| 03:45.59 | levi | Ahh. Well, that's reasonable. Web classes have advantages and disadvantages. Sometimes they end up being more work than classes you have to attend. |
| 03:46.04 | levi | And if you get behind... |
| 03:46.31 | levi | I can't remember if I flunked 343 once or twice. :) |
| 03:46.41 | levi | I think Ammon flunked it at least 3 times. |
| 03:46.49 | findlay | just once for me |
| 03:46.55 | findlay | determines |
| 03:48.10 | levi | Just taking it once, or just flunking it once? ;) |
| 03:48.18 | levi | Unfortunately, I never got around to passing it. |
| 03:49.19 | findlay | once you learn it without passing it becomes really boring taking again |
| 03:49.28 | findlay | for any class |
| 03:49.49 | findlay | the last time I took calculus I, I could have taught the class |
| 03:50.30 | levi | That was what started my downhill spiral at BYU. |
| 03:50.32 | findlay | not that I would have been a great teacher though :) |
| 03:51.02 | levi | I already knew most of the stuff in the classes I was taking, so they were incredibly dull, but also filled with lots of tedious work. |
| 03:51.10 | findlay | oh yeah |
| 03:51.27 | levi | Or, alternatively, sparsely filled with tedious work that was hard to keep track of if you weren't paying attention. |
| 03:51.55 | levi | I got into bad habits because of this, and they stuck. |
| 03:51.58 | findlay | the older I've gotten the more I've learned that school is about conformism |
| 03:52.08 | levi | Indeed. |
| 03:52.14 | levi | Well, discipline. |
| 03:52.23 | findlay | racking up points, just like a complicated game |
| 03:52.33 | levi | You don't have to conform, but you do have to create a plan and stick to it. |
| 03:52.36 | findlay | I hate playing games |
| 03:52.46 | findlay | yeah, that's about what I've done :) |
| 03:53.02 | levi | It's somewhat easier to just stick with the plan they give you, though, because then you don't have to create a new one or figure all the percentages. |
| 03:53.14 | findlay | right |
| 03:53.43 | findlay | just as long as it doesn't distract me from learning |
| 03:53.52 | findlay | which usually doesn't happen |
| 03:54.13 | levi | You can still play the slacker game and figure out exactly what you need to do to pass with the score you need and do it mostly on your own terms. |
| 03:54.29 | findlay | was never good at that |
| 03:54.51 | levi | I tried to do that, but my discipline was weak during the crucial 'pull yourself out of the hole' periods. |
| 03:55.36 | levi | Ammon was pretty good at those, especially later on. Having him as a roommate was detrimental to my academics, definitely. |
| 03:59.53 | levi | But if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have got to know Dan, and I therefore wouldn't have got my job at Linux Networx, and wouldn't have met the people that I now work with at Harman. |
| 04:00.12 | levi | So, things have a funny way of working out. |
| 04:00.31 | levi | And I may actually graduate sometime in the next year or so... |
| 04:11.16 | levi | OK, any computer hardware gurus awake? |
| 04:12.00 | levi | I've got a dual-processor Xeon that I need an ATX form-factor power supply for. |
| 04:14.31 | levi | It requires an 8-pin cpu power connector that's hard to find. Anyone know the right way to search for those on newegg? |
| 04:17.16 | fozzmoo | levi: http://www.cables4computer.com/Power_Products/Internal_Cables_Xeon_4_pin_to_8_pin_Power_Adapter_Cable.html |
| 04:17.18 | brac | [Xeon 4 pin to 8 pin Power Adapter Cable at Cables4computer] |
| 04:18.27 | Tene | That's interesting. |
| 04:18.39 | Tene | dig +trace chandlerproject.org |
| 04:18.53 | Tene | ... oh, it works now. |
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| 04:56.24 | levi | fozzmoo: Unfortunately, I need both a 4 pin and an 8 pin connector. |
| 04:59.05 | levi | fozzmoo: Ahh, but I see they have an ATX-to-4-pin adapter. |
| 04:59.19 | levi | Nice. |
| 04:59.33 | levi | Well, that makes power supply selection much easier! |
| 05:05.20 | levi | Heh, I found one that's got all the connectors I need and is only a few bucks more than the other one I was looking at. |
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| 05:14.43 | findlay | ok, I'm doing it |
| 05:14.52 | tensai | go findlay, go! |
| 05:15.02 | findlay | signs up on facebook |
| 05:15.20 | nick125 | No! Don't! Turn back while you're ahead! |
| 05:16.46 | Tene | HAY FINDLAY ADFRIEND ME ON BOOKFACE |
| 05:17.06 | nick125 | bookfaces Tene |
| 05:17.39 | findlay | nick125: I think I'll just put up a plain account and let it collect connections from the technologomacallity bouncier among my friends who want me to |
| 05:17.51 | findlay | Tene: ha |
| 05:20.18 | tensai | but when will it stop? next you'll sign up for myspace, orkut, twitter, pwnce, friendfeed... |
| 05:20.22 | tensai | soon there'll be nothing left but to start your own social media company. |
| 05:20.38 | findlay | wow, I already had a friend waiting for me on the confirmation page |
| 05:21.30 | nick125 | hahah |
| 05:22.24 | findlay | ooh, this is javascripty cool |
| 05:23.00 | findlay | hm, how did it know what my 'gmail contacts' were? |
| 05:23.34 | tensai | isn't facebook the one that shared your recent purchases with your friends? |
| 05:25.35 | findlay | tensai: what do you know, one of my friends is here at the door having just gotten me a box of my favorite kind of candy |
| 05:25.44 | findlay | see what you're missing out? |
| 05:28.07 | Tene | FINDLAY DID YOU FBADFRIEND ME YET?!?! |
| 05:29.18 | findlay | LOLZ TENE HAI CANT FIMD UR PIX!!1 |
| 05:31.59 | Tene | ETOOMANYFINDLAYS |
| 05:33.30 | Tene | 79 justin findlays |
| 05:34.22 | levi | Yay, my new server power supply is ordered. |
| 05:34.35 | Tene | Huh. I'm the first hit I see for Stephen Weeks. I wonder if that's intentional. |
| 05:34.39 | levi | Now I just need to get ethernet cable run down to the closet where I'm going to put it. |
| 05:35.41 | levi | Huh, a search for my name shows several things that relate to me on the first page. |
| 05:35.46 | levi | Also a bunch of doctors. |
| 05:36.15 | Tene | On facebook, that is. I'm not the first google hit for "Stephen Weeks" |
| 05:37.36 | levi | One of my first page hits is my port of Markdown to Common Lisp, and another one is some mail list discussion concerning my contributions to FreeIPMI. |
| 05:38.17 | tensai | apparently there's a call girl in georgia who shares my name |
| 05:38.30 | tensai | she's rather popular |
| 05:39.02 | findlay | what's a call girl? |
| 05:39.20 | tensai | nice word for a whore |
| 05:40.11 | tensai | or, ask elliot spitzer |
| 05:40.26 | levi | tensai: Heh, apparently you're the only person google thinks is linking to me anymore, based on a link:lifeoflevi.com search. |
| 05:40.42 | levi | Oh, wait, there's another guy too. |
| 05:41.10 | findlay | Tene: I easily have the top 10 googles for Justin Findlay |
| 05:41.12 | Tene | nobody at all is linking to me. |
| 05:41.30 | Tene | Of course, I have nothing online worth linking to. |
| 05:41.48 | findlay | no other Justins out there are as cool as me |
| 05:42.25 | Tene | There's only one result for link:sweeks.com, which is this other Stephen Weeks. |
| 05:43.09 | tensai | levi: glad I can help |
| 05:44.27 | levi | Apparently a bunch of my plug list email shows up in a google search for my name, too. |
| 05:44.46 | levi | Along with my facebook and linkedIn profiles. |
| 05:44.59 | tensai | one of my highest google hits is from a posting to debian-users over 5 years ago |
| 05:45.04 | levi | And lots of Brown v. Board of Education stuff. |
| 05:52.31 | levi | Hah, apparently my wife logged into my facebook account and gave me a profile picture. :) |
| 05:53.43 | findlay | nice |
| 06:02.18 | levi | Cool, I am one of 3 Levi Pearsons on Facebook. |
| 06:07.23 | findlay | way too many radio buttons to have to toggle to eliminat bookface spam |
| 06:07.41 | levi | findlay: Am I missing something, or is your profile photo a black square? |
| 06:08.17 | findlay | hm, it's supposed to be a white square, but oh well |
| 06:09.37 | findlay | soon I'm going to have to put down my cup and step away from the koolaid dispenser |
| 06:12.18 | findlay | TENE I CANT FIND UR PROFILE |
| 06:14.58 | Tene | @allalone.org |
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| 06:15.27 | findlay | oh, right |
| 06:35.11 | findlay | ~BOOKFACE Tene |
| 06:39.06 | Tene | OMG HI |
| 06:39.51 | findlay | HAI |
| 06:40.19 | Tene | now bookfaces levi. |
| 06:42.35 | findlay | puts the koolaid down and walks away |
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| 15:37.43 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:39.00 | Tene | HI LEVI |
| 15:40.40 | goozbach | continuming our discussion about bash yesterday: http://www.shellscriptgames.com/ |
| 15:40.43 | brac | [Shell (Script) Games] |
| 15:42.12 | jsmith | ~spell continuming |
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| 15:45.16 | goozbach | jsmyth, dom't nake fum ot ny spelimg! |
| 15:45.38 | jsmith | goozbach: I liked the word, actually... |
| 15:45.51 | jsmith | is busy continuming to work on a big project |
| 15:46.06 | elg | -chat don't make |
| 15:46.07 | brac | don't make the situation with my current job, I only have the right attitude, tensai |
| 15:47.21 | goozbach | -chat bots should |
| 15:47.21 | brac | bots should only be useful though? the users table and wage war on Iran. |
| 15:47.39 | levi | -chat is that |
| 15:47.40 | brac | but chat is it |
| 15:47.40 | brac | is that it doesnt get updates>? |
| 15:48.02 | levi | Huh. |
| 15:48.11 | levi | -chat is that |
| 15:48.12 | brac | but chat is it |
| 15:48.12 | brac | is that just went off on my wall project is to record labels do. |
| 15:48.40 | levi | brac responds to his own commands. |
| 15:48.48 | harleypig | -chat chat |
| 15:48.49 | brac | chat went |
| 15:48.56 | harleypig | -chat -chat |
| 15:48.56 | brac | -chat went |
| 15:48.57 | levi | Maybe not. |
| 15:49.09 | harleypig | -chat -chat -chat |
| 15:49.10 | brac | -chat -chat |
| 15:49.16 | harleypig | heh |
| 15:49.18 | goozbach | methinks it's elg playing with the bot console |
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| 15:50.33 | elg | it's just that the first filter (foo is bar) spits out the error but doesn't consume the message, and so the second filter (chat) continues to do its thing |
| 15:50.38 | harleypig | wow ... I just saw Jayce^ walk past too .... |
| 15:51.39 | goozbach | -chat is that |
| 15:51.39 | brac | but chat is it |
| 15:51.39 | brac | is that key? |
| 15:51.54 | goozbach | -chat is that a fun time to be had for all |
| 15:51.56 | brac | but chat is it |
| 15:51.56 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 15:52.07 | goozbach | he he he |
| 15:53.38 | harleypig | goozbach: shellitaire?! ow ow ow |
| 15:53.54 | harleypig | -chat that |
| 15:53.54 | brac | that did it start with a Treo (I'm debating between the phone into? |
| 15:53.58 | harleypig | -chat |
| 15:53.59 | brac | is that their new penguin master |
| 15:54.02 | harleypig | -caht is |
| 15:54.08 | harleypig | ummm |
| 15:54.11 | harleypig | -chat is |
| 15:54.12 | brac | is is the guys running it in IRC |
| 15:54.12 | harleypig | oops |
| 15:54.19 | harleypig | -chat is is is |
| 15:54.19 | brac | but chat is it |
| 15:54.20 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 15:54.38 | harleypig | -chat this! |
| 15:54.39 | brac | this! had |
| 15:59.15 | jsmith | -chat the world |
| 15:59.16 | brac | the world that knows how to reverse engineer it and you thought would be nice if he'd read the chip? |
| 15:59.29 | harleypig | the world has a chip? |
| 15:59.34 | jsmith | -chat the chip |
| 15:59.34 | brac | the chip itself. |
| 15:59.42 | jsmith | -chat chip has |
| 15:59.42 | brac | chip has 6 ranks? and is only about $20-$25 |
| 15:59.45 | harleypig | -chat kissing a girl |
| 15:59.45 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 15:59.49 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:59.49 | findlay | -chat bookface |
| 15:59.50 | brac | bookface is |
| 15:59.55 | jsmith | -chat kissing a |
| 15:59.55 | brac | kissing a |
| 15:59.58 | jsmith | -chat kissing the |
| 15:59.58 | brac | kissing the |
| 16:00.00 | findlay | -chat BOOKFACE |
| 16:00.00 | brac | BOOKFACE is |
| 16:00.04 | findlay | lame |
| 16:00.07 | jsmith | -chat harleypig is |
| 16:00.08 | brac | harleypig is supposed to use |
| 16:00.15 | harleypig | ? |
| 16:00.16 | harleypig | use what? |
| 16:00.28 | harleypig | too late for prophylactics |
| 16:00.29 | findlay | -chat use |
| 16:00.31 | brac | use had |
| 16:00.36 | findlay | harleypig: use had |
| 16:00.45 | jsmith | -chat should use |
| 16:00.46 | brac | should use debian without apt? |
| 16:01.00 | jsmith | harleypig: There it is ... you should use debian without apt |
| 16:01.10 | harleypig | I use aptitude |
| 16:03.33 | findlay | -chat stuff |
| 16:03.33 | brac | stuff had |
| 16:03.37 | jsmith | -chat findlay should |
| 16:03.37 | brac | findlay should |
| 16:03.42 | jsmith | -chat should go |
| 16:03.43 | brac | should go to college and the parted stuff isn't that supposed to get generals out of ram and makes less of an adjustment. |
| 16:03.44 | findlay | -chat jsmith |
| 16:03.46 | brac | jsmith went |
| 16:03.55 | jsmith | -chat findlay |
| 16:03.55 | brac | findlay did it for us... |
| 16:04.10 | goozbach | -chat goozbach is |
| 16:04.11 | brac | goozbach is real, but this doens't work at all. |
| 16:04.16 | harleypig | :] |
| 16:04.21 | harleypig | -chat perl |
| 16:04.22 | brac | perl did the other half when people try to buy the 4th off? |
| 16:04.27 | findlay | -chat harleypig |
| 16:04.27 | brac | harleypig is impressed |
| 16:04.34 | harleypig | no i'm not! |
| 16:04.43 | harleypig | looks around guiltily |
| 16:04.46 | goozbach | -chat goozbach should |
| 16:04.52 | harleypig | -chat brac must |
| 16:04.55 | brac | goozbach should be given a presentation for the third person. |
| 16:04.55 | brac | brac must |
| 16:05.00 | harleypig | feh |
| 16:05.02 | findlay | heh |
| 16:05.33 | harleypig | goozbach is getting a third person in his new family? |
| 16:05.35 | harleypig | ducks |
| 16:11.37 | harleypig | |
| 16:11.42 | harleypig | dung beetle ... epileptic cow ... ow ow ow |
| 16:12.13 | harleypig | I'd forgotten how good Bonzo's Montreux was ... |
| 16:12.19 | harleypig | Led Zeppelin RULES!!! |
| 16:12.25 | harleypig | lights up |
| 16:12.32 | harleypig | err ... lights a lighter ... |
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| 16:15.18 | tensai | elg: it only goes to show that mother's maiden name is a very poor security token |
| 16:15.37 | tensai | a) it's not changeable and b) it's not really all that *secret* |
| 16:15.54 | tensai | often times I'll just make up names and hope I can remember them later |
| 16:16.42 | harleypig | I enter porn stars |
| 16:16.56 | harleypig | ron jeremy is my favorite. |
| 16:17.10 | redbeard2 | harleypig: what is your obsession with ron jeremy? |
| 16:17.27 | harleypig | It's always funny calling support for my bank. Usually this sweet innocent sounding voice will choke with laughter. |
| 16:17.53 | harleypig | redbeard2: eh? just cause he's the most well known porn star and he's ugly as sin ... |
| 16:18.06 | harleypig | and I use him as an example on occasioin ... |
| 16:18.12 | redbeard2 | harleypig: that's a strange fetish for you to have |
| 16:18.25 | harleypig | fetish? |
| 16:18.38 | harleypig | you don't want to know what my fetishes are ... :> |
| 16:19.11 | tensai | runs away |
| 16:19.11 | redbeard2 | based on your hankerchiefs, i'm guessing bears |
| 16:19.16 | redbeard2 | runs away too |
| 16:19.34 | harleypig | I haven't thought about handkerchiefs in awhile ... I wonder if they're still being used ... |
| 16:19.59 | unum | I had no idea who ron jeremy was |
| 16:20.24 | harleypig | Never been into porn I take it? or really bad movies. |
| 16:20.29 | harleypig | Like Orgazmo ... :> |
| 16:20.44 | redbeard2 | unum: this whole conversation should be avoided, really |
| 16:20.52 | unum | ya haven't seen that one....(but I know what it is) |
| 16:21.22 | harleypig | Orgazmo 3 was better (in an awful movie sense) than any of the others. |
| 16:21.50 | redbeard2 | they made more than one of those? |
| 16:21.57 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, conversation? I just think it's a rule to avoid harleypig |
| 16:22.05 | redbeard2 | ~avoid harleypig |
| 16:22.30 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, you get that cake link? |
| 16:23.25 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: i don't believe so, but i'm gonna say yes anyway, just because i'm officially afraid |
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| 16:23.34 | harleypig | oh yeah ... speaking of which ... redbeard2: Make The Bad Man Stop ... cake style! |
| 16:23.43 | redbeard2 | harleypig: i did see that one |
| 16:23.45 | redbeard2 | no thanks |
| 16:23.55 | harleypig | maaan |
| 16:24.03 | harleypig | yer no fun! |
| 16:24.19 | harleypig | You could make a tv show out of it! |
| 16:24.35 | redbeard2 | if by "no fun" you mean i "haven't gone blind yet", then yes |
| 16:25.22 | harleypig | but you survived the day glo speedos imagery ... |
| 16:26.14 | redbeard2 | the whats? |
| 16:26.25 | redbeard2 | develops a nervous twitch |
| 16:27.02 | harleypig | and the jock strap diving board imagery |
| 16:28.25 | ^Migs^ | all the teachers today are bumping down the blog post I made last night on our "Latest Blog Posts" list. :( http://www.weber.k12.ut.us/index.php?page=latest-blog-posts |
| 16:29.48 | levi | Teacher blogs? Scary. |
| 16:30.10 | harleypig | My jr high kids are required to blog for their english classes |
| 16:30.14 | ^Migs^ | nice! |
| 16:30.17 | ^Migs^ | which school is this at? |
| 16:30.23 | harleypig | Spanish Fork JHS |
| 16:30.25 | ^Migs^ | all students should be blogging for class |
| 16:30.34 | ^Migs^ | what's their teacher's name? |
| 16:30.41 | harleypig | ... |
| 16:30.51 | ^Migs^ | er, don't answer that if you don't want |
| 16:30.53 | harleypig | I can never keep my kid's teachers names straight |
| 16:30.58 | ^Migs^ | oh, it is junior high |
| 16:31.00 | ^Migs^ | yeah, so never mind |
| 16:31.03 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't be able to either |
| 16:31.39 | elg | blogging is fun and education i'll agree, and i would have done it in jr high if it existed, but in hindsight i'd probably be sorry. heck, i'll probably be sorry in 10 years about my current blog. :) |
| 16:31.44 | harleypig | It's locked anyway ... this teacher is either technologically hip, or she's got someone. |
| 16:31.55 | elg | perfect |
| 16:32.01 | harleypig | Either way, you can't get to it without having the right info. |
| 16:32.16 | harleypig | elg: heh |
| 16:32.49 | ^Migs^ | http://blog.weber.k12.ut.us/jreeve/why-teachers-should-encourage-students-to-blog/ |
| 16:32.50 | harleypig | elg: I'd rather my kids learn early that if it goes on the web it's permanent. |
| 16:33.03 | elg | yup, true |
| 16:33.07 | ^Migs^ | that should be done in addition to all this other stuff |
| 16:33.09 | levi | Jr. High kids lack judgement. |
| 16:33.18 | elg | just don't forget to teach them that |
| 16:33.21 | ^Migs^ | in fact, students should just know that from elementary school. Of course, that's not the reality. |
| 16:33.38 | elg | since even getting bitten by it won't teach them that necessarily (as levi says) |
| 16:34.03 | elg | my 3 year old still hasn't figured out that all he has to do to keep from being sent to his room is not push over his 8 month old brother |
| 16:34.10 | harleypig | As embarassing as it's been I've had my jh age kids google some of my previous monikers. |
| 16:34.24 | elg | even though technically he should be able to :) |
| 16:34.29 | levi | My niece has been to juvenile court lately because of some crap that went on because she was too trusting of her Jr. High 'friends'. |
| 16:34.37 | ^Migs^ | yeah there's a few things about me on the web I wish would just "go away" |
| 16:34.39 | harleypig | It's been an eye opener for my oldest boy |
| 16:34.45 | levi | They decided to all share lockers, share their Facebook passwords, etc. |
| 16:34.46 | ^Migs^ | old high school adventures |
| 16:34.55 | ^Migs^ | uh... |
| 16:35.08 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's the kind of behavior we need to teach kids NOT to do in ELEMENTARY school |
| 16:35.14 | harleypig | levi: but that's the way open source seems to be taking people |
| 16:35.15 | levi | This is, I understand, not at all out of the ordinary behavior for Jr. High girls. |
| 16:36.12 | levi | harleypig: It has nothing to do with open source, just the nature of the age group. Open Source still relies on privacy and identity, for the most part. Witness the strong cryptographic tendencies in the open source community. |
| 16:36.41 | harleypig | levi: I agree and disagree ... I'm not sure how to put this into words ... |
| 16:36.44 | levi | Jr. High kids don't have a fully developed comprehension of consequences. |
| 16:36.51 | harleypig | Right. |
| 16:36.54 | harleypig | *But* |
| 16:37.07 | harleypig | meh |
| 16:37.23 | harleypig | My mom is horrified of what google earth represents ... |
| 16:37.40 | harleypig | anyone in the world can zoom into her backyad and see what's there. |
| 16:38.02 | harleypig | my kids not only don't see anything wrong with it, they expect to be able to do this. |
| 16:38.22 | levi | I do see your point there. |
| 16:38.51 | RyanE | I'm horrified of how Google Earth makes my lawn look. They must've picked the driest day in the summer... Dang! |
| 16:39.11 | harleypig | I'm all for open source, but I think we should be aware of the ancillary (to us) effects its having on the rest of the world. |
| 16:39.20 | RyanE | You need to be able to have a way to tell them when to snap the picture of my grass. like *now*. |
| 16:39.26 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:39.29 | levi | I'm not sure what open source has to do with Google Earth, though. |
| 16:40.12 | ^Migs^ | Virtual Earth is even better. You can look at your mom's backyard from multiple angles. |
| 16:40.20 | harleypig | like it or not, non computer equate 'open source' with 'open <fill in the blank>' |
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| 16:40.27 | harleypig | ^Migs^: yeah, but she doesn't know about it. |
| 16:40.34 | ^Migs^ | someone should show her |
| 16:40.35 | harleypig | err ... non computer people |
| 16:40.40 | harleypig | ^Migs^: :D |
| 16:40.44 | levi | Google Earth is a big company who paid tons of money to buy aerial and satellite imagery of just about everywhere and put it on the web. |
| 16:40.51 | harleypig | for free |
| 16:41.00 | ^Migs^ | show her Google Maps Street View too |
| 16:41.00 | harleypig | open access |
| 16:41.09 | levi | TV is a box that shows you all sorts of fun entertainment... for free! |
| 16:41.16 | ^Migs^ | maybe it goes by her house |
| 16:41.31 | goozbach | harleypig: third person?! |
| 16:41.37 | harleypig | ^Migs^: She's seen it. She's used it in the last few weeks to look at her house, the house she grew up in as a kid. |
| 16:41.38 | goozbach | who have you been talking too!!? |
| 16:42.01 | harleypig | goozbach: ? |
| 16:42.15 | ^Migs^ | did she flip out? |
| 16:42.32 | goozbach | 12:05 <+harleypig> goozbach is getting a third person in his new family? |
| 16:42.38 | harleypig | no ... maybe I should say 'quietly horrified' |
| 16:43.03 | harleypig | goozbach: heh ... brac said something about talking to a third person or something |
| 16:43.09 | harleypig | I was just free associating |
| 16:46.18 | goozbach | well we were going to try and keep it a secret... |
| 16:46.28 | goozbach | but I guess I let the cat out of the bag |
| 16:46.34 | goozbach | J/k not yet |
| 16:46.38 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:46.44 | harleypig | suuuure |
| 16:49.04 | levi | goozbach: Put it off! Kids will suck out your soul and eat it for breakfast, then spit it up all over you! ;P |
| 16:49.52 | findlay | is still looking for person #2 |
| 16:50.08 | harleypig | levi: wow ... a bit bitter? |
| 16:51.17 | levi | harleypig: Not really, I love my kids, but I'm not entirely sure why aside from the fact that we're biologically wired to do so. They're pretty darned inconvenient! ;) |
| 16:52.24 | harleypig | oh, definitely ... especially when one of them is a manipulative little git. |
| 16:52.28 | harleypig | and very good at it too. |
| 16:52.48 | harleypig | not to mention not bothering to knock at just the wrong time ... |
| 16:52.52 | findlay | ~enlightenment++ |
| 16:52.55 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:52.59 | findlay | so easy to have borderless windows |
| 16:53.08 | levi | I mean, until you have kids, you don't really understand it. |
| 16:54.19 | levi | If you had to live with these creatures and they *weren't* your kids, you would very quickly manipulate circumstances somehow so you didn't have to live with them anymore, but maybe just have them visit for an hour or two when it's convenient. ;) |
| 16:55.44 | harleypig | yeah, that's what my ex did ... except she didn't carefully manipulate anything, she just left. |
| 16:56.11 | levi | I didn't say carefully, I said *quickly*. :) |
| 16:56.30 | harleypig | hmmm ... so you did ... freudian slip? |
| 16:56.34 | harleypig | on my part |
| 16:58.42 | levi | goozbach: Anyway, enjoy the one-on-one time and freedom to go do whatever you want to do together right now. Get your movie-watching taken care of. Take whatever big trips you want to take in the forseeable future. Then have some kids. ;) |
| 16:59.04 | findlay | ~kids levi |
| 16:59.18 | goozbach | levi: we're doing just that |
| 17:02.21 | tensai | grr. stupid cat knocked out my power cable. |
| 17:05.23 | elg | harleypig: you wear slips? |
| 17:06.08 | harleypig | would you rather I didn't? Especially when I wear that sheer number ... |
| 17:06.20 | harleypig | standing in front of a light source |
| 17:06.54 | harleypig | My next "laptop" EUROCOM M590KE EMPEROR-X $6,425 USD |
| 17:07.46 | harleypig | http://web.eurocom.com/EC/ec_model_config1(1,186,0) |
| 17:07.52 | levi | harleypig: With 5-minute battery life! |
| 17:07.56 | brac | [EUROCOM Configuration] |
| 17:07.57 | harleypig | probably |
| 17:08.38 | harleypig | But it's got 20.1" screen, 4GB RAM 2 320G SATA and 1 120GB Solid State Drive. |
| 17:08.50 | RyanE | 5 minutes is with the backlight set to minimum. If you set it to maximum blind yourself, it's 1 minute. :) |
| 17:08.51 | harleypig | 64x2 2.6GHz |
| 17:09.00 | harleypig | It's got a car charger. |
| 17:09.07 | harleypig | I should probably get some jumpers. |
| 17:10.26 | harleypig | It's got a Matrox card that can support up to 3 additional monitors ... |
| 17:10.50 | levi | Just cart around a gas-powered generator with you. |
| 17:11.16 | harleypig | Sure ... I'd need a cart anyway for the "laptop" ... it weighs just less than 20lbs. |
| 17:11.46 | RyanE | I'm sure a 2-stroke model airplane hooked up to a small generator would be enough power... |
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| 17:13.08 | Tene | I'm going through an absurd amount of water today. I've gone through about 3L so far. |
| 17:13.35 | levi | Tene: What are you doing with it? |
| 17:13.38 | tensai | Tene: swimming? |
| 17:13.40 | Tene | Drinking it. |
| 17:14.04 | harleypig | Don't give yourself water poisoning |
| 17:14.21 | harleypig | or however you say it |
| 17:17.11 | levi | Hyponatremia |
| 17:17.12 | findlay | well, what am I going to do now? |
| 17:17.31 | levi | Tene: eat something salty, too. |
| 17:17.59 | levi | findlay: Learn Haskell! |
| 17:18.25 | findlay | why does everybody have a +? |
| 17:19.01 | Tene | I don't. :( |
| 17:20.26 | Sargun | because I'm everyone is more awesome than you. |
| 17:21.53 | findlay | -chat more awesome |
| 17:21.53 | brac | more awesome now. |
| 17:22.09 | findlay | ~+Tene |
| 17:22.10 | ibot | tene is probably Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate frosted sugar bombs, or a liar, or more winningish than goozbach, or evil, or the ML master. Attach ye dragon. Tene's superpower is The dough comes frozen |
| 17:26.42 | goozbach | ~+goozbach |
| 17:26.43 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, goozbach is a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch |
| 17:29.41 | Jayce^ | extra-tart? |
| 17:29.51 | Sargun | breasts, sofas, and cake, what could be better? |
| 17:31.19 | goozbach | methinks we need to tune down our logging on our application servers... 39G error.log |
| 17:31.22 | goozbach | shakes his head |
| 17:33.45 | Tene | Just turn up the verbosity to provide more repeating data so the compression algorithms have more to work with. |
| 17:33.49 | Tene | >.> |
| 17:34.11 | jsmith | goozbach: I've seen worse |
| 17:35.13 | goozbach | jsmith, Tene did I mention that was the bzip'ed version? |
| 17:35.29 | goozbach | correction gzip'ed version |
| 17:35.45 | goozbach | stupid logrotate did a number on my log volume |
| 17:35.56 | goozbach | it filled up in just a week |
| 17:36.05 | goozbach | turns out we were keeping all of the error logs |
| 17:36.10 | goozbach | *ALL* of them |
| 17:36.46 | jsmith | Ouch |
| 17:36.49 | jsmith | Youch |
| 17:36.55 | jsmith | and Yowsers (for good measure) |
| 17:36.58 | goozbach | I've changed that |
| 17:37.01 | goozbach | yeah |
| 17:37.04 | goozbach | ouch |
| 17:37.09 | goozbach | youch |
| 17:37.19 | goozbach | and yowsers |
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| 17:41.04 | levi | Whoops. |
| 17:41.36 | Jayce^ | ow ow ow ow ow http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1044258/Pictured-The-horrific-moment-Olympic-weightlifter-turns-elbow-front.html |
| 17:41.57 | levi | I don't think I'll be looking at that. |
| 17:42.17 | bugQ | good choice! |
| 17:43.27 | tensai | reminds me of http://www.hulu.com/watch/4090/saturday-night-live-weekend-update-all-drug-olympics |
| 17:43.31 | Jayce^ | olympics yesterday |
| 17:46.47 | RyanE | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/chinese_officials_deadly_virus |
| 17:47.07 | RyanE | Gotta love the Onion... :) |
| 17:48.10 | RyanE | I hope I didn't catch Olympic Fever while I was in China last week... |
| 17:50.09 | fozzmoo | http://www.metro.co.uk/news/world/article.html?in_article_id=262125&in_page_id=64&in_a_source= |
| 17:50.12 | brac | [Angry man burns barber's over porn | Metro.co.uk] |
| 17:50.17 | fozzmoo | Great use of stock photography. |
| 17:50.21 | fozzmoo | The caption is priceless. |
| 17:50.23 | fozzmoo | Safe for work. |
| 17:50.30 | fozzmoo | Pretty safe for work, anyway. |
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| 18:00.34 | ^Migs^ | stupid patch Tuesday. I walk away from my computer for a few minutes, while it's compressing a movie, and Windows reboots my computer in the middle of it |
| 18:01.50 | bugQ | my fav part of that ONN report, at the close: "citing poor economy, congress implements national ramen regimen" |
| 18:03.27 | bugQ | ^Migs^: hooray for fundamentally flawed security models! |
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| 18:05.23 | ^Migs^ | incidentally I was using WINDOWS Movie Maker. |
| 18:05.43 | bugQ | heh |
| 18:05.45 | ^Migs^ | If Windows had any sense, it would look and say, "oh, he's using Movie Maker and currently compressing a movie. I guess I'll wait." |
| 18:05.57 | ^Migs^ | or compiling a movie, rather |
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| 18:42.36 | goozbach | note to self, always check the logs FIRST! |
| 18:42.39 | goozbach | sometimes it tells you EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG |
| 18:45.44 | harleypig | http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=261828&in_page_id=34 |
| 18:45.45 | brac | ['Spiderwoman' mountaineer uses iPod for support | Metro.co.uk] |
| 18:46.15 | harleypig | Free climbing ... "I'm not an adrenaline junkie" ... yeah, right! |
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| 18:58.54 | ^Migs^ | holy |
| 18:59.02 | ^Migs^ | 500GB SATA drives from TigerDirect for $64.99 |
| 18:59.22 | ^Migs^ | Hitachi drives...hmmm |
| 18:59.31 | ^Migs^ | actually, I haven't had bad experiences with Hitachi |
| 19:02.17 | findlay | ^Migs^: k, get me one |
| 19:02.29 | ^Migs^ | k, I'll get right on that |
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| 19:08.24 | goozbach | harleypig: look what I found: http://freshmeat.net/projects/zoidberg/ |
| 19:13.02 | levi | Holy crap, I've got nearly 900Mb of email since I switched to gnus. |
| 19:16.18 | findlay | levi: what are you going to do to celebrate? |
| 19:17.02 | goozbach | ctrl-a <delete> |
| 19:20.47 | levi | findlay: Delete some of it, of course. :) |
| 19:22.55 | findlay | maybe ^Migs^ will snag you one of those drives! |
| 19:23.09 | findlay | for your mail sprawl |
| 19:23.17 | ^Migs^ | free drives for everyone! |
| 19:23.20 | findlay | yay |
| 19:23.35 | ^Migs^ | wait, none of you know where I live, right? |
| 19:24.22 | findlay | triangulates ^Migs'^ location |
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| 19:26.53 | Sargun | sends some nukes out. |
| 19:32.05 | findlay | ~assimilate levi |
| 19:32.05 | ibot | ACTION jams assimilation tubes into levi's neck and injects Borg nanobots. |
| 19:50.51 | unum | my users regularly hit 2gb if they don't delete often enough |
| 19:51.00 | unum | at which point they become thunderbird users |
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| 19:56.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.kctv5.com/education/17177382/detail.html#- |
| 19:56.03 | brac | [Professor Under Investigation For Mooning Incident - Education News Story - KCTV Kansas City] |
| 20:08.55 | Tene | harasses elg. |
| 20:13.26 | Tene | Any rubyists around? |
| 20:15.07 | elg | sure |
| 20:15.51 | elg | any ruby questions around? |
| 20:15.53 | Tene | IS ruby 1.9 going to allow block parameters in do blocks? |
| 20:16.13 | elg | can you repeat the question? |
| 20:16.43 | Tene | In 1.8 right now, "do |a,&b| b(a) end" doesn't compile. |
| 20:16.53 | Tene | as ruby doesn't allow block parameters in do blocks. |
| 20:16.59 | Tene | Is there a beter ruby term for do blocks? |
| 20:17.24 | elg | can you give a more complete example? |
| 20:17.38 | elg | where would you use parameters but in a proc or def? |
| 20:18.15 | elg | or something where the parameters are a given, like hsh.each {|a,b| ...} |
| 20:19.17 | Tene | a = {|i,&j| ...}; a(1) {|x| ...} |
| 20:20.22 | Tene | No, I'm not entirely sure that's sane. My grasp of ruby is pretty low. |
| 20:20.44 | elg | yeah that makes no sense |
| 20:20.54 | elg | maybe you mean a = proc {|i,j| ...} |
| 20:21.07 | Tene | Could be. |
| 20:21.24 | Tene | Orite, I need to learn all that proc/block/lambda/whatever stuff. |
| 20:23.11 | findlay | ~whatever Tene |
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| 20:23.45 | elg | ruby 1.9 doesn't complain about a = proc{|i,&j|...} but it doesn't seem to work when I do a.call(i) {|x| ...} |
| 20:24.09 | Tene | oh, you need .call()? a() doesn't work? |
| 20:24.12 | Tene | Huh. |
| 20:24.15 | elg | a is a proc |
| 20:24.19 | elg | if you want a method, you use def |
| 20:24.39 | Tene | Man, ruby is weird. |
| 20:24.47 | Tene | I'm still getting used to the lack of sigils. |
| 20:24.57 | elg | there are some you can optionally use |
| 20:25.12 | elg | but the lack of sigils is hardly a good criteria for making something "weird" :) |
| 20:25.38 | Tene | It just has a vaguely spooky feeling all over to me. |
| 20:27.51 | levi | The block/proc distinction seems kind of weird to me, too, though I have a vague understanding of why it's so. |
| 20:28.04 | Tene | Do you have a good reference for it? |
| 20:28.18 | findlay | silly languages |
| 20:28.52 | findlay | they're nothing more than a less formal system built on a formal mathematical grammar |
| 20:29.31 | findlay | ponders |
| 20:30.33 | levi | Perl people should at least feel a vague warm fuzziness with Ruby, since they're both full of ad-hocities placed there in attempt to meet some vague 'programmer-friendly' standard. |
| 20:31.23 | dataw0lf | well they're both magical and uber flexible, if that's what you mean. |
| 20:31.39 | levi | Not exactly. |
| 20:32.39 | dataw0lf | I don't like the implicit calling of Ruby methods (lack of parans), but it's purty in certain situations. For example: RSpec's DSL. |
| 20:32.43 | elg | Tene: i direct you to pickaxe |
| 20:32.45 | Jayce^ | considers attending dataw0lf's presentation at UTOS |
| 20:33.21 | dataw0lf | I've been swayed to Ruby over the past year or so. I certainly prefer Python still, but, especially when you're instituting BDD, Ruby is remarkable. |
| 20:33.21 | levi | I mean that consistency and simplicity of design played second fiddle to the respective designer's aesthetic senses. |
| 20:33.38 | dataw0lf | well. I think Ruby is much more consistent than Perl. |
| 20:33.50 | dataw0lf | but I know what you mean. |
| 20:34.11 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: yay! want to vet my slides sometime next week? |
| 20:34.38 | levi | dataw0lf: Compare Ruby and Perl with Smalltalk and Scheme, for example. |
| 20:34.49 | Jayce^ | sure |
| 20:35.00 | dataw0lf | well Ruby borrows some things that I like from Smalltalk. |
| 20:35.03 | elg | Tene: a Proc is a closure, and proc or lambda will make one for you out of a block |
| 20:35.07 | dataw0lf | the message receiver paradigm, for instance. |
| 20:35.20 | levi | dataw0lf: Ruby borrows from both smalltalk and scheme, but that's not my point. |
| 20:35.28 | elg | tene: a block is a syntactic construction, the body of a method, or whatever |
| 20:35.47 | Tene | elg: pickaxe? |
| 20:35.55 | elg | http://ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/ |
| 20:36.06 | brac | [Programming Ruby: The Pragmatic Programmer's Guide] |
| 20:36.29 | elg | or http://pragprog.com/titles/ruby3/programming-ruby-3 |
| 20:36.36 | elg | the former is the first edition |
| 20:36.45 | elg | but free |
| 20:36.56 | dataw0lf | levi: I know what you're trying to compare, but I've never nitpicked over inconsistencies in a language too much, as long as it doesn't detract from my purpose (generally, writing an application). |
| 20:37.18 | levi | dataw0lf: My point is that the designers of Smalltalk and Scheme both built them by taking a simple core idea and putting the bare minimum scaffolding around it such that it will be extensible enough to meet the design goals. |
| 20:37.38 | dataw0lf | serious inconsistencies in a language (PHP, for instance), obviously render a language inusable or nearly so. |
| 20:38.04 | levi | dataw0lf: Whereas the Perl and Ruby designers went all Gothic with the scaffolding in order to optimize specific usage patterns. |
| 20:38.14 | dataw0lf | ... which is why they get used more. |
| 20:38.22 | elg | heh, gothic. i like that |
| 20:38.40 | elg | and then there's python - neither "gothic" nor pure |
| 20:39.40 | dataw0lf | I expect a certain amount of scaffolding in a modern, high-level language *shrug*. Whether or not that's pure.... I'll leave that for the academics to decide. |
| 20:39.52 | Tene | ... oh, *all* functions can take a block parameter, it's just whether you name it or not. |
| 20:39.58 | Tene | and then there's the magic 'yield' |
| 20:40.13 | elg | yes |
| 20:40.22 | dataw0lf | what's so magic about yield? That's fairly standard |
| 20:40.23 | levi | dataw0lf: Well, the question is whether the scaffolding is built into the system or *with* it. |
| 20:40.52 | elg | Tene: and technically you can pass a proc anywhere as a regular variable |
| 20:40.58 | Tene | Why is it "a = lambda {...}" instead of "a = {...}"? |
| 20:41.24 | elg | design decision I guess |
| 20:41.26 | levi | Tene: Because Matz liked it better that way. |
| 20:41.32 | Tene | Huh, okay. |
| 20:41.35 | elg | probably easier to parse |
| 20:41.43 | elg | or maybe he likes the explicitness of lambda/proc |
| 20:42.08 | dataw0lf | well, there is a significant difference between proc and lambda. |
| 20:42.22 | elg | actually probably because a = {...} parses as a hash |
| 20:42.38 | elg | dataw0lf: what is that? ri tells me the one is an alias of the other |
| 20:42.46 | Tene | elg: not if there are statements inside instead of a list. |
| 20:43.02 | elg | right, parsing ease |
| 20:43.10 | elg | you have to look ahead to see if there are statements |
| 20:43.45 | elg | not that ruby is easy to parse anyway... but like levi said, matz must have liked it better that way :) |
| 20:43.45 | dataw0lf | elg: Negative. if you return from a proc, it'll leave the containing method. If you return from a lambda, it'll continue control to the next statement. |
| 20:44.09 | elg | ---------------------------------------------------------- Kernel#lambda |
| 20:44.09 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.09 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.10 | elg | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 20:44.10 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.10 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.26 | Tene | elg: is there any difference between :foo and 'foo'? |
| 20:44.35 | elg | yes, one is a symbol and the other is a string |
| 20:44.52 | Tene | hmm |
| 20:45.08 | elg | think of a symbol as a key. internally it's probably a unique integer |
| 20:45.21 | elg | (doesn't matter which one) |
| 20:45.30 | elg | immutable, great for hash keys or case statements |
| 20:45.34 | elg | faster than comparing strings |
| 20:45.43 | Tene | http://innig.net/software/ruby/closures-in-ruby.rb |
| 20:45.46 | elg | highlights blue in vim ;-) |
| 20:45.51 | dataw0lf | elg: http://pastebin.com/m3e196082 |
| 20:46.35 | elg | >> p = proc { return 'inside proc'} |
| 20:46.35 | elg | => #<Proc:0x00359170@(irb):3> |
| 20:46.35 | elg | >> p.call |
| 20:46.36 | elg | => "inside proc" |
| 20:46.46 | elg | so what you *meant* was there's a difference between Proc.new and proc/lambda |
| 20:47.39 | elg | actually that paste was the wrong bit, sorry |
| 20:47.53 | elg | but rather than paste a bigger chunk, just s/lambda/proc/ and you'll see it behaves the same |
| 20:48.19 | dataw0lf | oh, oh, oh, I understand what you're saying. Dur. |
| 20:48.28 | dataw0lf | I thought you were talking about Proc not proc |
| 20:48.51 | elg | yeah, I don't like Proc.new |
| 20:48.57 | elg | but lambda does return a Proc object |
| 20:49.07 | elg | >> p = lambda{} |
| 20:49.08 | elg | => #<Proc:0x00000000@(irb):14> |
| 20:49.19 | levi | The Proc.new behavior is like a smalltalk block. |
| 20:50.32 | levi | Which is necessary in smalltalk, or else you couldn't do a conditional return. |
| 20:51.11 | levi | foo ifTrue: [ return frotz ] |
| 20:51.28 | levi | (where foo is a boolean) |
| 20:52.13 | dataw0lf | y'know I'm no Ruby master by any means, but my favorite thing about Ruby? the inclusion of ? and ! in characters allowed in method names. |
| 20:52.17 | dataw0lf | call me silly. it looks purty. |
| 20:53.10 | levi | That's a borrowed convention from Scheme. |
| 20:53.19 | levi | And it's nice, IMO. |
| 20:53.54 | dataw0lf | from Scheme, really? Huh. |
| 21:04.11 | ^Migs^ | this is our impromptu musical number from our conference last week: http://webertube.com/mediadetails.php?key=0b4642d59234b08cef6b |
| 21:13.34 | harleypig | after lunch lethargy ... need siesta |
| 21:15.00 | elg | ~sleep harleypig |
| 21:15.01 | ibot | ACTION sends harleypig to bed without supper |
| 21:26.13 | harleypig | Hey! I just wanted a nap! |
| 21:26.19 | harleypig | goes back to sleep |
| 21:26.32 | harleypig | ssnnaAAWWWRRRR |
| 21:27.56 | elg | harleypig is dreaming of dolphins, otters, and beavers |
| 21:28.32 | harleypig | is biting his tongue |
| 21:58.04 | unum | is always dreaming of beavers |
| 21:58.21 | unum | isn't capable of biting his tongue |
| 22:03.14 | Tene | Bah, I need to decide between visiting my sister tonight and admitting defeat at how tired I am. |
| 22:05.13 | harleypig | Do both. Fall asleep on your sisters couch. :> |
| 22:05.27 | Tene | then I won't get to work on time in the morning. |
| 22:06.12 | harleypig | feh ... excuses excuses |
| 22:06.15 | harleypig | :> |
| 22:15.02 | neybar | man... I really need "focus follows eyes" with no auto-raise |
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| 22:18.17 | unum | I'm a horrible family member, I never visit anyone |
| 22:18.31 | unum | except my father, but he's dying |
| 22:25.47 | Sargun | Ugh, I hate customers. |
| 22:26.19 | tensai | I know! why don't they take their filthy money somewhere else? |
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| 22:30.12 | unum | agreed |
| 22:30.21 | unum | that's very much the attitude at my work.... |
| 22:30.54 | elg | the understandability of a mathematical equation is inversely proportional to the number of subscripts the variables have |
| 22:31.07 | elg | and superscripts |
| 22:31.10 | elg | and sub-subscripts |
| 22:31.14 | elg | and super-sub-subscripts |
| 22:31.26 | elg | etc |
| 22:31.34 | Tene | http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm -- fun document. talks a lot about color. |
| 22:31.40 | brac | [PSG Art tutorial] |
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| 22:31.45 | elg | and the number of those funny E and S things |
| 22:31.58 | elg | â and â« |
| 22:32.07 | Tene | how does it vary with the number of variables? |
| 22:32.46 | elg | linearly |
| 22:33.03 | elg | as in, it's better to have more variables with meaningful names than more subscripts |
| 22:33.13 | harleypig | Hungarian notation |
| 22:33.42 | elg | just a form of subscripts |
| 22:33.58 | harleypig | that's what I said |
| 22:34.51 | mrpull1 | didn't the ibot logs used to have a "who's happy/angry/chattiest/smiliest/etc" stats? |
| 22:36.05 | elg | !stats |
| 22:36.07 | elg | ~stats |
| 22:36.08 | ibot | Since Tue Aug 12 11:54:22 2008, there have been 35 modifications, 299 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 302 commands. I have been awake for 1d 10h 41m 45s this session, and currently reference 115167 factoids. I'm using about 20240 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3869.49/199.09 child 0/0 |
| 22:36.09 | brasto | oops I did it again! :) |
| 22:36.21 | elg | ~logs |
| 22:36.21 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 22:36.53 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.10 | harleypig | <-- this will |
| 22:37.15 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.28 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.37 | harleypig | so |
| 22:37.38 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.39 | harleypig | I |
| 22:37.41 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.43 | harleypig | every |
| 22:37.45 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.48 | harleypig | line |
| 22:37.51 | elg | mrpull1: yes, it did. wonder what happened to them. |
| 22:37.58 | harleypig | The logs'll have a weird look to them ... |
| 22:38.13 | elg | ~help stats |
| 22:38.34 | harleypig | agh ... shouldn't listen chopin's nocturne's at work ... |
| 22:38.55 | elg | are they making you seaskick? |
| 22:39.02 | harleypig | no, even sleepier |
| 22:39.17 | mrpull1 | elg: thanks. I was thinking I made that up in my mind. |
| 22:39.26 | harleypig | That's better ... Led Zeppelin ... Dazed and Confused |
| 22:39.30 | elg | ~lart TimRiker |
| 22:39.30 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto TimRiker whilst whistling innocently |
| 22:39.46 | TimRiker | ~whaleslap elg |
| 22:39.47 | ibot | ACTION beats elg upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:39.54 | harleypig | You'd think he'd have some code in there to turn that around on someone else. |
| 22:39.56 | elg | what happened to the neat stats page? |
| 22:40.11 | TimRiker | hmm. nothing that I know of.. |
| 22:40.18 | elg | maybe we just don't know where to find it |
| 22:40.35 | TimRiker | this one? http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/utah.html.gz |
| 22:40.37 | elg | there it is |
| 22:40.37 | elg | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/utah.html.gz |
| 22:40.44 | TimRiker | ~stats |
| 22:40.44 | ibot | Since Tue Aug 12 11:54:22 2008, there have been 35 modifications, 302 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 309 commands. I have been awake for 1d 10h 46m 22s this session, and currently reference 115167 factoids. I'm using about 20240 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3881.22/200.04 child 0/0 |
| 22:40.50 | elg | harleypig wins today's prize |
| 22:41.11 | mrpull1 | I was looking in the wrong place |
| 22:41.19 | harleypig | wow ... didn't realize I talked so much |
| 22:41.19 | TimRiker | harleypig: heh. try telling the bot to lart itself. |
| 22:41.29 | harleypig | I guess inanity counts for something! :D |
| 22:41.35 | harleypig | ~lart ibot |
| 22:41.35 | ibot | turns harleypig into a lifesized tux doll |
| 22:41.38 | harleypig | heh |
| 22:43.29 | harleypig | wow ... I spoke nearly 3 times as much as the next person ... |
| 22:43.34 | harleypig | maybe I should just shut up. |
| 22:43.36 | harleypig | or maybe not |
| 22:47.46 | *** part/#utah brasto (n=brasto@97-117-71-212.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:53.19 | levi | Hah, I write the longest lines. |
| 22:54.46 | Tene | I have the prettiest dress. |
| 22:56.22 | unum | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh |
| 22:57.50 | unum | I didn't even get a mention :( |
| 22:58.10 | harleypig | Tene: do you wear a slip with it? |
| 22:59.54 | Tene | harleypig: nope |
| 23:00.54 | harleypig | shivers |
| 23:04.37 | harleypig | next meeting I'll wear my sheer skirt with no slip and stand in front of a light source |
| 23:04.48 | harleypig | Tene: you have a utilikilt? |
| 23:06.38 | Jayce^ | harleypig, don't forget the stilletos |
| 23:06.48 | Sargun | no lipstick? |
| 23:06.53 | Jayce^ | and makeup like Mimi |
| 23:08.25 | harleypig | oh, I'm soooo tempted |
| 23:08.30 | harleypig | just to watch people freak out. |
| 23:08.35 | harleypig | I'd have to go to the mall too. |
| 23:09.22 | Jayce^ | Yeah, but then you'd have to post bail.. |
| 23:10.03 | harleypig | feh ... It's not illegal to be transgendered, even in Utah county. |
| 23:10.29 | harleypig | And I could make some phone calls to some old friends ... maybe ... some of them might no longer be with us. |
| 23:10.54 | harleypig | Besides, I couldn't even pretend to be the bearded lady ... |
| 23:10.59 | harleypig | or maybe ... |
| 23:11.02 | harleypig | nah |
| 23:12.03 | Tene | harleypig: not illegal yet, at least |
| 23:12.25 | harleypig | true |
| 23:12.34 | harleypig | Maybe I would be the catalyst ... |
| 23:12.53 | Jayce^ | harleypig, but I *know* you wouldn't stop there, I'm just commenting on what I know it would lead to :) |
| 23:13.03 | harleypig | I'm not sure Utah County could withstand the wave of transgendered that would appear out of the woodwork should Utah try it. |
| 23:13.44 | harleypig | :] picture me in a halter top and miniskirt ... |
| 23:15.30 | Tene | All this obsession with gender everyone seems to have... it's weird to me. |
| 23:15.34 | harleypig | Did I just break peoples brains? |
| 23:16.08 | harleypig | Tene: I just like making people think by poking at what they consider to be not acceptable but appointed by God. |
| 23:16.23 | harleypig | s/not/not just/ |
| 23:16.36 | findlay | ~obsess Tene |
| 23:16.41 | Tene | http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=704240 |
| 23:17.42 | Tene | artistic license upheld in court. |
| 23:18.20 | Tene | The whole idea that there's a God out there that really cares THAT MUCH about which type of people wear which clothes is really strange to me. |
| 23:18.59 | harleypig | It's not strange to me, but it's a hot topic for me. |
| 23:19.29 | harleypig | Not that I *like* to wear frilly crap, quite the opposite. |
| 23:19.43 | harleypig | But I can't rattle people's cages whilst wearing sweat pants and t-shirts. |
| 23:19.55 | tensai | Tene: yay! |
| 23:22.33 | findlay | harleypig: am I in a cage |
| 23:22.42 | findlay | harleypig: I don't care what you wear |
| 23:24.24 | harleypig | findlay: would you have a problem if I showed up in a halter top and a miniskirt? |
| 23:24.57 | harleypig | c'mon ... admit it! You wouldn't be able to take your eyes off of me! |
| 23:25.00 | harleypig | :D |
| 23:25.10 | Tene | harleypig: he'd have trouble if a woman did, though. |
| 23:25.50 | harleypig | only if she minded being ogled. |
| 23:26.18 | findlay | harleypig: no |
| 23:26.26 | Tene | findlay: you still hate women, right? |
| 23:26.39 | findlay | Tene: no |
| 23:26.43 | Tene | Ah. |
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| 23:38.30 | Tene | harleypig: http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1055#comic |
| 23:38.32 | brac | [Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal] |
| 23:40.36 | findlay | http://www.google.com/search?q=random&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 23:41.38 | Tene | findlay: http://www.google.com/search?q=related+to+what+we+were+just+talking+about |
| 23:42.18 | findlay | haha |
| 23:48.42 | findlay | http://xkcd.com/458/ |
| 23:48.43 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
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