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| 01:04.09 | levi | Good evening. |
| 01:04.36 | levi | So, Microsoft joined Apache Software Foundation. |
| 01:05.44 | bugQ | !? |
| 01:07.12 | bugQ | cool, what can go wrong? D: |
| 01:07.31 | levi | They're submitting LGPL patches, too. |
| 01:07.54 | levi | For PHP-related stuff. |
| 01:08.09 | bugQ | whee! |
| 01:08.45 | levi | Basically, they want LAMP to to be WAMP. :) |
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| 01:09.31 | bugQ | well, this could be apache's big chance to tell them to screw off |
| 01:09.33 | elg | -chat if only |
| 01:09.34 | brac | if only fozz will back them up and use the right to know everything! |
| 01:10.07 | levi | Like Apache is going to say no to $100k. |
| 01:10.35 | bugQ | they'd be heroes if they did! |
| 01:10.47 | levi | Nah, they'd be dumb idealists like the FSF. |
| 01:12.07 | levi | If Microsoft wants to ensure that PHP and Apache work well with Windows and MSSQL, then doing what they're doing is precisely the right way to do it. |
| 01:12.35 | levi | I mean, this is what Open Source is all about. |
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| 01:13.26 | bugQ | geeks for hire? |
| 01:14.10 | levi | What do you mean, 'geeks for hire?' |
| 01:14.22 | bugQ | is that what OSS is all about? |
| 01:15.01 | bugQ | commissioned coders |
| 01:15.31 | levi | No, it's about generating patches for the features you want and releasing them back to the community. |
| 01:16.26 | levi | Donating certainly doesn't hurt, either. |
| 01:16.40 | levi | Or do you expect all OSS programmers to do it in their spare time? |
| 01:16.55 | bugQ | oh, I dunno. |
| 01:17.32 | bugQ | let me mull over this turn over of events over pizza |
| 01:17.54 | bugQ[foods] | one too many overs |
| 01:19.01 | levi | The sheer amount of FUD that comes out of the Free Software community over Microsoft's contributions to Open Source is ridiculous. |
| 01:20.57 | nick125 | I have a feeling they might have ulterior motives |
| 01:25.30 | levi | nick125: You mean they're not donating and contributing code out of pure charity?! |
| 01:25.39 | synic | have any of the #utah regular nerds moved to Portland? |
| 01:25.51 | synic | let me reask that. |
| 01:25.56 | synic | Do any of you live in Portland? |
| 01:25.58 | levi | Of course they have an ulterior motive. It's to make money. |
| 01:25.59 | synic | haha. |
| 01:26.02 | sontek | I know a few guys that move from slc to portland, but none that were big regulars from here |
| 01:26.23 | levi | I know some people in Portland. |
| 01:26.27 | synic | sontek: are they in the tech industry? |
| 01:26.37 | sontek | synic: yeah, they are programmers |
| 01:27.30 | synic | sontek: I need a job there. Are any of these guys in a position that I could send a resume? |
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| 01:28.02 | sontek | synic: Yeah, I can talk to them |
| 01:28.09 | sontek | why are you wanting to go to portland? |
| 01:28.09 | synic | sweet |
| 01:28.21 | synic | uh, it's complicated. |
| 01:30.59 | peno | did cyc touch you in the bad place? |
| 01:32.31 | levi | Hmm, California banned trans-fats in restaurants and bakeries. |
| 01:32.50 | levi | Packaged manufactured foods are exempt, though. |
| 01:37.11 | sontek | trans fats are the devil |
| 01:41.28 | levi | This is interesting information about aging: http://www.thinkgene.com/prevailing-theory-of-aging-challenged-in-stanford-worm-study/ |
| 01:56.07 | bugQ[foods] | so it the comment. |
| 01:56.16 | bugQ | *is |
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| 03:32.25 | infotron_ | ~rlart |
| 03:32.26 | ibot | strangles RyanE with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 03:36.27 | Sargun | -excuse |
| 03:36.27 | brac | Groundskeepers stole the root password |
| 03:36.31 | Sargun | -excuse |
| 03:36.31 | brac | Jupiter is aligned with Mars. |
| 03:36.34 | Sargun | -movieplot |
| 03:36.34 | brac | Summary: He's a benighted chivalrous senator looking for the Big One. She's a pregnant streetsmart socialite with a knack for trouble. They fight crime. |
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| 04:15.40 | nickp10 | hello |
| 04:15.52 | infotron | hi |
| 04:26.21 | fozzmoo | hi nickp10 |
| 04:29.55 | nickp10 | hello fozzmoo |
| 04:45.56 | findlay | hello everyone |
| 04:47.58 | nickp10 | asl? |
| 04:48.23 | infotron | why use american sign language on irc? isn't text enough? |
| 04:48.47 | nickp10 | age/sex/location, not american sign language |
| 04:49.21 | tensai | Argininosuccinate lyase? |
| 04:49.27 | infotron | so much for lively conversation |
| 04:49.49 | findlay | the answers are A, D, and False |
| 04:50.32 | tensai | findlay: so tell us, how is the orchestra gig going? |
| 04:50.35 | infotron | average/not today/utah |
| 04:50.51 | findlay | tensai: awesome |
| 04:50.58 | findlay | tensai: I was on the big screen tonight :) |
| 04:51.24 | tensai | when did they put a jumbotron in the tabernacle? |
| 04:51.52 | infotron | shortly after they paid for it |
| 04:53.44 | findlay | tensai: it was in the conference center |
| 04:55.07 | tensai | findlay: is that where you always play? |
| 04:55.29 | findlay | tensai: we played a Pioneer Day concert tonight |
| 04:57.35 | tensai | pioneery music? |
| 04:57.56 | infotron | yup. we dig them up and bang on their heads. HAH not. |
| 05:00.25 | infotron | thinks it's time to overhaul his 1.2KVA ups |
| 05:01.06 | findlay | tensai: + the Osmonds <sparkle> <twinkle> |
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| 05:13.29 | findlay | who doesn't want to see the osmonds?! |
| 05:28.27 | Tene | me! |
| 05:30.15 | infotron | me tew! |
| 05:30.46 | Tene | I've even got a ticket and I'm not going. |
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| 06:18.10 | infotron | bummer. http://shop3.frys.com/search?cat=-46638&pType=pDisplay |
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| 06:37.30 | Sargun | infotron, what fry's location are you associated with |
| 06:37.59 | infotron | o.O none? |
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| 17:19.29 | rsimpkins | Anyone know who jalance_ is? |
| 17:25.21 | fozzmoo | James Lance? aka neybar? |
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| 18:03.54 | elg | gah |
| 18:04.05 | elg | went to make ice cream and I had accidentally bought fat free half and half |
| 18:04.17 | elg | luckily i noticed before mixing it with other ingredients |
| 18:06.04 | elg | what to do with it? tastes like powdered milk. disgusting |
| 18:17.06 | Sargun | lol |
| 18:29.35 | tensai | same thing you do with all fat free dairy products: throw them away |
| 18:30.04 | Tene | is it flammable? |
| 18:30.50 | tensai | probably not since it's a liquid |
| 18:31.59 | tensai | liquid water, that is. I suppose there are many flammable liquids. |
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| 20:44.07 | elg | heh |
| 20:44.24 | elg | "Any publicity is good publicity, especially when it comes to Twitter." as he blogs about a "permanent hiatus" (what does that mean?) |
| 20:47.44 | lakshmi | hi |
| 20:47.47 | lakshmi | hei. |
| 20:47.52 | lakshmi | wus up? |
| 20:53.34 | elg | is he? |
| 20:59.19 | levi | elg: Who said that? |
| 20:59.33 | elg | jesse |
| 21:00.10 | elg | guess it's not clear from that quote that he's calling for people to ignore twitter |
| 21:00.57 | sontek | whats funny is most of his identi.ca posts today have been about twitter |
| 21:01.33 | sontek | hes like those senators that support legislation against gay marriage and then get caught in the bathroom with another man |
| 21:01.58 | sontek | I HATE IT BUT ALL I DO EVERYDAY IS TALK ABOUT IT |
| 21:05.30 | levi | He's long since gone off the deep end into 'Social Software' myopia. |
| 21:10.07 | elg | i rarely read more than the first sentence or two of his posts |
| 21:10.24 | elg | mostly to see what it is he's going on about today, as a sort of morbid curiousity |
| 21:10.30 | elg | also a way to know which things to steer clear of |
| 21:11.02 | elg | i'm making ice cream today with added pectin |
| 21:15.40 | levi | http://www.fredvanlente.com/cthulhutract/pages/index.html |
| 21:15.43 | brac | [Cthulhu Tract | By Fred Van Lente and Steve Ellis] |
| 21:15.50 | levi | Mmm, ice cream. |
| 21:16.13 | levi | Did you recently watch the Good Eats episode on ice cream? |
| 21:18.47 | elg | no, not recently, but we've been using that recipe for a long time |
| 21:19.08 | elg | but we're not fans of peach jam and it's always got peach lumps |
| 21:19.16 | elg | so i thought I'd go with straight pectin this time |
| 21:19.35 | elg | i also rarely use vanilla beans |
| 21:24.26 | levi | I love using vanilla beans. |
| 21:24.28 | tensai | elg: I don't get the rolling technique for small cables |
| 21:24.35 | levi | Got a good deal on some from eBay. |
| 21:24.43 | tensai | do you end up with a pile of figure eights? |
| 21:25.02 | levi | So do any of you guys use twitter or some other equivalent service? |
| 21:26.59 | elg | tensai: yes, which is very nice for doing that final wrap around the middle |
| 21:27.13 | elg | levi: yes, I use irc |
| 21:27.20 | tensai | elg: ok, so I do get it |
| 21:27.59 | tensai | levi: I tried orkut a lot time ago and couldn't see it as anything but a waste of time. since then I've ignored social networks as a rule. |
| 21:30.33 | levi | I couldn't even figure out an interesting way to waste time with orkut, friendster, or facebook. |
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| 21:38.02 | elg | tensai: ditto, if you count "logged in a couple of times and looked at jayce's network" |
| 21:38.18 | elg | and about once every couple of months I log in and reject all the brazilians who want to be my friend |
| 21:43.36 | levi | Heh, that 'friendfeed' thing Jesse was talking about looks scary. |
| 21:43.52 | tensai | I was thinking about utosc and twitter might be useful for an event like that |
| 21:44.55 | levi | I'm not sure I'd want to create a feed of all the comments and micro-blog thingies I leave everywhere. Whatever happened to context? |
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| 21:50.38 | levi | These guys are antisocial idiots. I would like to use stronger language to describe them, but I won't: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-challenge |
| 21:51.05 | levi | I hate the Free Software Foundation so much. |
| 21:51.59 | levi | I would feel precisely the same if they were doing the same sort of thing against Microsoft or anyone else, by the way. I'm not repulsed by this out of Apple love. |
| 22:09.08 | levi | Heh, and Google walked away from aquiring Digg. |
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