| 00:00.16 | goozbach | ~rot13 trrxfnerterng |
| 00:00.16 | ibot | geeksaregreat |
| 00:10.13 | klys | I would say, clip-on cd/dvd drives work sideways, but tray ones don't |
| 00:11.10 | klys | and I'm glad I have xmms running without gtk2 because otherwise it would crash like everything else |
| 00:17.51 | mheath | klys: why is that? |
| 00:21.25 | klys | and I wish libgtk-directfb-2.0-0 would work |
| 00:23.26 | klys | oh yeah, tried out esperanza last night, you can't 'sort by author'; at least it keeps playing when you exit X |
| 00:24.04 | klys | I can't get the mms plugin to work though |
| 00:30.22 | klys | ipv6 coult hold a lot of info: year:state:zip1:zip2:eastwest:northsouth:apt:device |
| 00:30.29 | mheath | Hmm, I realized today that, while I'm not _always_ 100% legal with my software licensing, I'm better than many. |
| 00:30.31 | klys | could |
| 00:30.47 | mheath | My sisters boyfriend has a giant library of pirated music, movies, and games. |
| 00:31.16 | mheath | Along those lines, though, I have a question: |
| 00:31.27 | klys | do you have a record store in your town? |
| 00:31.34 | mheath | If a BIOS locks up / freezes / behaves oddly during POST, what are likely problems? |
| 00:31.46 | mheath | klys: Why do you ask? O.o |
| 00:31.48 | klys | bad flash? not sure |
| 00:31.53 | klys | I don't anymore |
| 00:32.13 | Supaplex | mheath: very braindead pci/ide/other preps |
| 00:32.13 | klys | so I'm trying to figure out if it's still usual business |
| 00:32.14 | mheath | Well, I'd think bad flash, but he didn't mess with it |
| 00:32.31 | Supaplex | see if it'll post with minimum hardware |
| 00:32.32 | mheath | Supaplex: Well, it went from working perfectly on one boot to locking up the next |
| 00:32.42 | Supaplex | just once, or always? |
| 00:33.02 | Supaplex | my lightbulb went from perfectly working to pitch black last time I replaced it |
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| 01:13.28 | mheath | Wow, I think I just accidentally signed up for more junk |
| 01:15.20 | klys | so like, you go to a website for torrent files, you give them your email, and they send you portal pages with lists of old google queries? |
| 01:35.57 | emcnabb | http://www.mcnabbs.org/blog/evan/?p=10 |
| 01:45.53 | findlay | wow |
| 01:45.58 | findlay | evan wrote 10 blogs |
| 01:46.05 | findlay | ~congratulate emcnabb |
| 01:46.06 | ibot | ACTION congratulates emcnabb on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 01:48.06 | emcnabb | findlay: yeah, that is a big accomplishment for me |
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| 04:52.44 | Trevor_ | hello.. any one up? |
| 04:53.21 | herlo | nope, just us fisshes |
| 04:54.14 | Trevor_ | i see.. |
| 04:58.13 | mheath | Sargun: thats any scripting language. |
| 04:58.31 | mheath | Hmmm, I might end up being the maintainer of the Hurd wiki :P |
| 05:01.29 | Sargun | I mean C++; |
| 05:01.40 | Sargun | or any gcc compatible language |
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| 05:03.05 | mheath | Sargun: is this just some random idea or does this really exist? |
| 05:10.20 | Lakshmi | sargun? |
| 05:10.27 | Lakshmi | .. u there? |
| 05:11.10 | Sargun | mheath, why? |
| 05:12.15 | Lakshmi | sargun.. what? |
| 05:12.22 | mheath | Sargun: so I can rub it in that, if not, something like that would be easier to implement on Mach? :P |
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| 05:56.24 | findlay | or something like that |
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| 06:14.06 | findlay | -urls 1024 |
| 06:14.06 | brac | [2007/07/11 19:35:57] <emcnabb> http://www.mcnabbs.org/blog/evan/?p=10 |
| 06:14.07 | brac | [2007/07/11 17:46:45] <goozbach> http://leekspin.com |
| 06:14.07 | brac | [2007/07/11 14:58:15] <goozbach> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddMowxKchko |
| 06:14.07 | brac | [2007/07/11 14:55:31] <goozbach> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vFQaiX7M8U&mode=related&search= |
| 06:14.10 | brac | [2007/07/11 14:24:53] <Jayce^> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzS-OdWVpHo&mode=related&search= |
| 06:14.10 | brac | [2007/07/11 14:21:51] <mrpull> http://youtube.com/watch?v=4yk-ESYl7Bc |
| 06:14.10 | brac | [2007/07/11 14:13:48] <sjansen> http://tmbw.net/wiki/Lyrics:Don%27t_Let%27s_Start_%28Single_Mix%29 |
| 06:14.11 | brac | [2007/07/11 13:10:34] <^Migs^> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160135007203 |
| 06:14.13 | brac | [2007/07/11 13:10:28] <mheath> http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/11/siberia.babymammoth.reut/index.html?eref=rss_topstories |
| 06:14.16 | brac | [2007/07/11 13:01:55] <^Migs^> http://www.the-pc-guru.com/How_to_stop_Windows_Update_n.php |
| 06:14.29 | findlay | hm |
| 06:14.30 | herlo | ~lart findlay |
| 06:14.30 | ibot | strangles findlay with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 06:14.37 | findlay | not there |
| 06:14.57 | findlay | ~lart herlo 1024 |
| 06:14.57 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples herlo 1024's foot to the floor |
| 06:15.09 | findlay | that ibot |
| 06:15.13 | findlay | he's a rhymer |
| 06:25.04 | findlay | klys: regarding my computer crash two days ago I think it was that something got too hot and entropy due to excess heat brought some element of the CPU out of normal operating tolerances and corrupted some bunch of instructions causing the kernel to crash hard |
| 06:25.15 | findlay | that occasionally happens on this MB/CPU combo |
| 06:25.31 | findlay | although not usually as bad as Tuesday :) |
| 06:25.57 | klys | eh, we figured it would have to be something like that' I recall |
| 06:26.05 | findlay | yeah |
| 06:27.12 | findlay | something that I see more frequently but I find stranger is that I'll get corruption errors when streaming from the disk when unzipping bzip2 archives |
| 06:27.28 | klys | hmm |
| 06:27.43 | findlay | maybe I get in other conditions but don't notice them, but for some reason bzip2 is problematic about it |
| 06:28.37 | klys | nwhat now are you working on? |
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| 06:29.09 | findlay | what do you mean? |
| 06:29.30 | ddrfreak | so i guess at least some of the ppl here are members of PLUG? |
| 06:29.39 | herlo | ddrfreak: a few |
| 06:29.46 | findlay | I've been to several plug meetings |
| 06:29.54 | ddrfreak | so was there a meeting tonight? |
| 06:29.59 | herlo | nope |
| 06:30.06 | findlay | Jayce^ dropped the towel |
| 06:30.31 | klys | where is the next meeting? |
| 06:30.52 | findlay | old Word Perfect campus building Q |
| 06:31.06 | ddrfreak | when is it? |
| 06:31.10 | klys | will someone be watching toe door? |
| 06:31.15 | klys | s/toe/the/ |
| 06:31.26 | findlay | it's usually unlocked |
| 06:31.37 | findlay | s/unlocked/open/ |
| 06:31.58 | findlay | well, it's supposed to be open :) |
| 06:32.16 | klys | why have a plug meeting clear up in orem; you guys should have it at byu |
| 06:32.16 | ddrfreak | ya, but when is it? |
| 06:33.37 | findlay | http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2007-July/026776.html |
| 06:33.37 | brac | [Is there a meeting tonight?] |
| 06:34.07 | findlay | klys: the UUG has regular meetings |
| 06:34.22 | klys | hmm, I should find one |
| 06:34.23 | findlay | s/UUG/BYU UUG/ |
| 06:35.01 | findlay | -chat about 1024 |
| 06:35.01 | brac | 1024 was |
| 06:35.14 | findlay | -chat about herlo 1024 |
| 06:35.14 | brac | herlo 1024 |
| 06:35.16 | findlay | lame |
| 06:35.40 | findlay | -chat about at byu |
| 06:35.40 | brac | at byu and hopefully it won't be using linux! |
| 06:35.44 | findlay | heh |
| 06:36.26 | klys | so, I can only assume they're in the talmage building, somewhere |
| 06:37.52 | findlay | not sure |
| 06:38.02 | findlay | uug.byu.edu |
| 06:44.33 | ddrfreak | lol i kinda feel bad that I tried to go to a meeting when there actually wasn't one |
| 06:45.17 | Supaplex | I guess windows can't add correctly. I copied a file, and it's larger than the source. |
| 06:45.30 | Supaplex | the destination is compressed :P lol |
| 06:58.24 | levi_home | Sargun: Dynamically loading libraries is not exactly a new concept. |
| 06:59.00 | Sargun | no. |
| 06:59.09 | Sargun | dynamically editing memory is. |
| 06:59.18 | levi_home | That's not new at all. |
| 06:59.28 | Sargun | editing executable data in memory is rarely used anymore |
| 06:59.37 | Sargun | on modern archs is almost totally missing |
| 06:59.49 | levi_home | Indeed, and some processors explicitly disallow it. |
| 07:01.39 | Supaplex | ok I know that 900mb file isn't 4gb. knock it off windows! |
| 07:01.41 | levi_home | Lots of exploits are due to modified executable code through a bad pointer or smashed stack. |
| 07:02.04 | levi_home | Making executable pages read-only foils those exploits. |
| 07:04.34 | levi_home | Sargun: Anyway, GNU lightning generates executable code at runtime and is easily linked into a C/C++ program. |
| 07:05.11 | levi_home | Sargun: There are probably also ways to use LLVM to do that. |
| 07:05.42 | levi_home | Or you could use Lisp, which has been doing precisely what you say for longer than you have been alive. :P |
| 07:06.43 | Sargun | haha |
| 07:06.52 | Sargun | but can you do it for native C/C++ code |
| 07:08.56 | levi_home | With various tools, yes. |
| 07:11.35 | levi_home | I know you can do dynamic code generation via C with libtcc, part of the Tiny C Compiler. |
| 07:11.55 | levi_home | And I think you can do the same with C and C++ with LLVM. |
| 07:14.49 | levi_home | The question is, why would you want to? |
| 07:15.56 | Sargun | AI for a program |
| 07:16.23 | Sargun | it dynamically rebuilds functions with optimization in one area, but that degrade performance in another |
| 07:16.46 | Sargun | by implementing a monitor to show which way to push performance to the max, I know how to compile it |
| 07:17.20 | Sargun | thoroughout the day data can change |
| 07:17.55 | levi_home | No, my question was, "Why would you want to do that in C/C++?" |
| 07:18.45 | levi_home | Anyway, LLVM is designed to do dynamic optimization of code. You should look at it. |
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| 10:32.55 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 10:38.57 | Homer_Simpson | Hi |
| 10:39.12 | Homer_Simpson | does anyone not drink milk? |
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| 14:14.21 | sjansen | ~tap elg |
| 14:14.25 | sjansen | ~dance emcnabb |
| 14:14.26 | ibot | emcnabb, dance with me! Ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' Elive, stayin' Elive |
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| 14:15.11 | sjansen | ~wake calvarez |
| 14:15.12 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on calvarez and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 14:23.05 | calvarez | GOOD MORNING!!!! |
| 14:23.16 | calvarez | to the rest of you, good morning. |
| 14:27.22 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 14:27.39 | elg | oh noes, I killed sjansen |
| 14:38.06 | emcnabb | sjansen: get back to work |
| 15:01.59 | levi | Morning, folks. |
| 15:02.59 | *** topic/#utah by herlo -> The channel for content free discussion in Utah | http://plug.org/irc | Utah Open Source Conference - September 6-8, 2007 - https://register.utosc.org |
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| 15:23.14 | sinuhe | Guten morgen. Wie ghet es? |
| 15:26.23 | levi | No spreken sie Deutsch. |
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| 15:27.02 | Sargun | Hey. |
| 15:27.04 | sjansen | sinuhe: Seu portugues ta' ruim, meu. Deve practicar. |
| 15:28.36 | sinuhe | A dose of my own medicine I guess. I was hoping for something in say Tcl, ruby, Scheme, C, Smalltalk (not that I would understand any of it), [insert favourite language here] |
| 15:29.05 | sinuhe | This is a fun group to just lay stuff out there. |
| 15:29.18 | Sargun | Anyone want to comment on this idea: Have an microcontroller emulate a client usb-mass-storage device. Using unionFS your system would overlay that initially over the FS, and than sync all changes back to your real /. the actual device would consist of RAM and Flash. Everything that is being used would be loaded into RAM, and it would automatically trickle down to flash. |
| 15:29.19 | sjansen | puts "Nothing to see here, move along." |
| 15:29.20 | sinuhe | By the by, it's sprechen if I remember reight. |
| 15:30.00 | sinuhe | There you go. |
| 15:30.32 | sinuhe | s/reight/right/g |
| 15:30.52 | levi | sinuhe: Probably is. Like I said, I don't speak it. :) |
| 15:31.08 | sinuhe | I did once. I really can't say I do now. |
| 15:32.01 | levi | I took Latin in high school, and that was all the foreign language experience I got. It was fun, though. |
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| 15:34.28 | Sargun | NOOOOOOOOOOO! Rick Richardson writes to note a posting on cups.org that reveals that Apple, which in 2002 first licensed CUPS for printing in OS X, purchased the source code last February and hired its main developer, Michael R. Sweet. Sweet writes: |
| 15:34.39 | Sargun | f-ing apple. |
| 15:34.44 | Sargun | what the hell are you doing? |
| 15:34.56 | Sargun | stop screwing with my ability to print! |
| 15:36.18 | levi | How are they screwing with your ability to print? |
| 15:37.58 | levi | It's still GPL/LGPL code. |
| 15:38.21 | Sargun | They are apple |
| 15:38.27 | Sargun | anything they touch turns to coal. |
| 15:38.35 | Sargun | Look at PPC for instance |
| 15:38.55 | thaddeusq | Look at the ipod for instance, oh wait, bad example. |
| 15:39.01 | Sargun | IBMs development was crappy on the POWER platform because they had to cater to apple. |
| 15:39.08 | Sargun | the second Apple left them |
| 15:39.08 | levi | Sargun: You are an f-ing idiot. Please shut up. |
| 15:39.17 | Sargun | they were leaps and bounds ahead. |
| 15:39.54 | levi | Apple left the PPC platform because the PPC chip manufacturers were not catering to them. |
| 15:39.54 | Sargun | thaddeusq, iPod can't do OGG, Sync music back to the computer |
| 15:40.26 | Sargun | But G5 for the Apple was featureless compared to the full feature set of POWER5 |
| 15:40.38 | thaddeusq | And so that means the ipod is coal? |
| 15:40.51 | sjansen | levi: Way to speak truth to power! |
| 15:41.00 | Sargun | Well, not featureless, not it lacked many of the -neat- things the IBM-server processors did. |
| 15:41.19 | sinuhe | It means that Apple is known for saying they want to help open source and free software, but then always put proprietary road blocks in the way. They are not trustworthy in this respect. |
| 15:41.25 | levi | Sargun: Could it be because Apple's primary market was not high-end servers? |
| 15:41.37 | maquis | Sargun: ipod can do ogg, etc... just not with the original firmware |
| 15:41.42 | maquis | it's quite nice with other firmware |
| 15:42.06 | Sargun | maquis, mhm, true. |
| 15:42.10 | maquis | in fact, if you have an ipod that is supported by ipodlinux, they've supposedly got vim ported over :) |
| 15:42.22 | Sargun | vi on an iPod haha |
| 15:42.58 | Sargun | levi, the cost of a G5 processor, and a POWER5 processor are the same. |
| 15:43.03 | sjansen | maquis: You think that's cool. I think it's proof that ipod users must be brain damaged. |
| 15:43.11 | Sargun | Why did Apple strip/disable features? |
| 15:43.35 | sjansen | Vim's a great editor. There is no editor but Vim and Bram is its creator... But you shouldn't be using your ipod to edit files. |
| 15:44.09 | thaddeusq | I love generalizations. |
| 15:44.21 | levi | Sargun: What does that have to do with anything? Clearly Apple didn't stop the POWER5 from being developed. |
| 15:44.32 | herlo | thaddeusq: heh |
| 15:44.43 | levi | Sargun: There's a very wide variety of PPC chips. |
| 15:44.49 | maquis | sjansen: o wpi;dm |
| 15:44.51 | maquis | er |
| 15:44.52 | Sargun | levi, why couldn't they just use the plain POWER5 chips |
| 15:44.57 | maquis | i wouldn't use it for large-scale editing |
| 15:45.01 | Sargun | and/or not disable features in the chip. |
| 15:45.07 | maquis | but i still think it's kinda cool that somebody actually did that |
| 15:45.41 | levi | Sargun: Again, that has nothing to do with your earlier argument that Apple held back PPC development. |
| 15:46.06 | Sargun | Well, again, why did they cripple the chips that they sold? |
| 15:46.17 | Sargun | er, the chips inside the systems they sold. |
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| 15:46.32 | levi | Sargun: For their own reasons. Again, what difference does that make? |
| 15:46.46 | Sargun | I want to be able to use my chip to its fullest potential. |
| 15:46.50 | levi | Sargun: You're arguing that Apple 'turns things to coal'. |
| 15:46.50 | Sargun | Don't you? |
| 15:47.08 | levi | Sargun: You haven't provided any real evidence for that. If you don't like Apple machines, don't buy them. |
| 15:47.37 | Sargun | If you buy a 1,000 dollar chip, do you want to be able to use 100% of the features built into that chip? |
| 15:47.52 | Sargun | or at least 95% |
| 15:48.23 | levi | Sargun: I told you that's irrelevant to your argument, so why do you keep bringing it up? |
| 15:48.39 | goozbach | ~shoot sinuhe |
| 15:48.40 | ibot | ACTION shoots sinuhe in the foot with a spitwad! |
| 15:49.11 | Sargun | my argument is that they basically cripple devices. |
| 15:49.23 | Sargun | which is what I meant by "turning them to coal" |
| 15:50.53 | levi | Yes, they turn them to highly compressed coal; aka diamond. You can tell by their sales and profit numbers. |
| 15:51.07 | levi | Your personal opinion is irrelevant. |
| 15:52.35 | Sargun | Who cares about their sales and profit numbers. |
| 15:52.45 | Sargun | that's not what we're talking about. |
| 15:52.59 | Sargun | I'm sure Hitler had the majority of the vote, but I'm not sure if people liked him. |
| 15:53.02 | levi | Um, you haven't really defined what we're talking about. |
| 15:53.05 | Sargun | vote = $$$ |
| 15:53.26 | Sargun | Apple's bad practices. |
| 15:54.32 | levi | And you define 'bad practices' how? |
| 15:55.11 | Sargun | Pitting teams against each other. |
| 15:55.11 | Sargun | 'Breaking' their hardware |
| 15:55.37 | levi | Disabling features of the hardware is not 'breaking' it. |
| 15:55.44 | levi | The systems they sell work as advertised. |
| 15:56.14 | levi | None of which has anything to do with CUPS. |
| 15:57.24 | levi | Anyway, I'm not going to discuss this with you further. |
| 15:57.36 | findlay | haha |
| 15:57.59 | Sargun | or broken versions of apache |
| 15:58.03 | Sargun | shipping with their systems |
| 15:58.22 | goozbach | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2007/07/play-time.html |
| 15:58.23 | brac | [Savage Chickens: Play Time Cartoon] |
| 15:58.44 | levi | Sargun: I'm not discussing this with you further. You have no logical argument, so what would be the point? Please shut up about it. |
| 15:59.08 | Sargun | What's good about apples? |
| 15:59.23 | levi | They taste good. |
| 15:59.33 | levi | Apple pie. Apple crisp. |
| 15:59.36 | levi | Mmmm. |
| 15:59.59 | findlay | lol |
| 16:00.05 | Sargun | Apple's products. |
| 16:00.25 | findlay | each of your arguments are amusing in their own way |
| 16:00.27 | levi | Sargun: Did you not hear me? I'm not talking about Apple with you. |
| 16:00.40 | findlay | thanks for the entertainment |
| 16:00.42 | Sargun | findlay, haha |
| 16:00.44 | levi | Sargun: I'm not going to argue anything with you, because you don't know how to do it properly. |
| 16:01.32 | levi | Or, if you do, you certainly aren't exercising that knowledge. |
| 16:02.28 | levi | Every time you bring up a point, it's gone off on a tangent from what you were talking about before, and you never really tie anything together except with vague 'Apple is bad' statements of opinion. |
| 16:03.38 | sjansen | levi: Seems like you have a really hard time just ignoring people who spout crazy comments and refuse to listen. |
| 16:03.50 | sjansen | Who was the crazy blogger that used to drive you up a wall? |
| 16:03.51 | levi | You wandered from basically saying 'Apple is going to screw up my printing!' to 'Apple hurt the PPC chips!' to 'Apple cripples their own machines!' to 'Apple is mean to their employees!' and you never justified any of them. |
| 16:03.56 | levi | sjansen: Vorlath |
| 16:04.13 | sjansen | You had to go out of your way to read his blog, and yet you did, knowing it'd never contain any value. |
| 16:04.14 | findlay | Sargun wants to bag on Apple by trying to characterize some of their design decisions as insidious and levi's not willing to argue about anything that might throw Apple in a bad light |
| 16:04.29 | findlay | thus I'm amused :-) |
| 16:04.53 | levi | findlay: Oh, I'd be willing to argue about any of the points if he stuck with them for more than one round. |
| 16:06.18 | sjansen | Thesis: Apple doesn't know how to manage power. |
| 16:06.32 | levi | sjansen: Defend your thesis! ;) |
| 16:07.26 | goozbach | levi: a good granny smith |
| 16:07.29 | goozbach | sliced |
| 16:07.32 | goozbach | and salted |
| 16:07.35 | goozbach | hmmmmmmmm good |
| 16:07.55 | jsmith | Roasted with a little cinnamon, caramel, and lime... |
| 16:08.07 | sjansen | Argument: I've owned several Apple machines. All of them died because of power related issues. Pretty but poorly designed power cords. Bad batteries. A PMU that put the system in a coma instead of sleep. As a result, I've lost faith in Apple's ability to design quality power parts. As far as I'm concerned, Apple doesn't know how to manage power. |
| 16:08.11 | findlay | NaOH |
| 16:08.16 | findlay | lime? |
| 16:08.20 | findlay | :-) |
| 16:08.23 | jsmith | findlay: lime |
| 16:08.47 | Sargun | ~hug sjansen |
| 16:08.48 | ibot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs sjansen |
| 16:09.03 | findlay | a coma, haha |
| 16:09.52 | levi | sjansen: See, that's a good argument, but you're still generalizing based on your own experiences, which are not a statistically significant sample. I have owned several Apple machines and none of them died due to power supply problems, but that doesn't necessarily refute your argument. You need more evidence. |
| 16:10.02 | Sargun | I've gone through about 4 iPod shuffles |
| 16:10.17 | Sargun | which all died within a week of using them. |
| 16:10.32 | Jayce^ | still have my wife's 1st gen shuffle |
| 16:10.47 | levi | I've had 1 iPod shuffle that's lasted for several years. |
| 16:10.55 | Sargun | Apple store has no idea why, and to look at them they were charging about 70% of the price of the shuffle. |
| 16:11.16 | levi | I also have a 1st gen iPod that's lasted for several years, and is doing just fine now that I've replaced the battery. |
| 16:11.17 | dataw0lf | I have two nanos, one that I've dropped in water and it still works |
| 16:11.20 | Jayce^ | an mbpro, powerbook 1.6, Ipod 4g, and two active ibooks |
| 16:11.23 | sjansen | I need no more evidence. I defined "Apple can't manage power" to mean "I don't trust Apple with power management". I acknowledge my argument to be subjective. I knew it would bug you, but you're going to have a hard time winning the argument. |
| 16:11.24 | Sargun | levi, but statistically speaking, do most iPod shuffles last that long? |
| 16:11.24 | Jayce^ | none have had power issues |
| 16:11.31 | Sargun | Or did you just get lucky. |
| 16:11.50 | Jayce^ | you're the first person I've met with shuffle power problems |
| 16:11.52 | Sargun | My sister's iBook had its power supply fry out, that was fun. |
| 16:11.57 | Sargun | Jayce^, not shuffle power problem |
| 16:12.05 | Sargun | the shuffles were all dead! |
| 16:12.14 | levi | sjansen: We can't argue meaningfully about subjective feelings, of course. I'm just pointing out that your feelings are not based in sound logic, which is fine. |
| 16:12.15 | Jayce^ | ok, shuffle *problem*. at all |
| 16:12.18 | Sargun | considering I got them for free, that's not too bad. |
| 16:12.58 | Jayce^ | only hardware problem I've had on my/my wife's macs is a HD that fried out, after 2 years, and a keyboard that lost a key |
| 16:13.34 | sjansen | Personally, I don't mind a non-logical arugment as long as the author acknowledge it's non-logical. |
| 16:13.39 | levi | Anyway, the only way to make a good argument about Apple hardware problems is to take a statistically representative sample. |
| 16:13.51 | Jayce^ | sjansen, that's because you like arguments... |
| 16:14.18 | sjansen | Jayce^: Do not. |
| 16:14.25 | Jayce^ | Yes you do |
| 16:14.34 | sjansen | No I don't. |
| 16:14.41 | Jayce^ | YES you DO! |
| 16:14.46 | sinuhe | In some ways, I would trust a smaple of personal experience over stats. Statistics are often misleading. |
| 16:14.55 | sjansen | Okay, prove it. |
| 16:15.06 | sjansen | Can't, can you? |
| 16:15.13 | sinuhe | sjansen and Jayce: that's not an argument, but contradiction. :-) |
| 16:15.14 | Jayce^ | Now, you can't just take a contradictory point of view and call it an argument. |
| 16:15.20 | sinuhe | hehehe |
| 16:15.31 | sinuhe | Monty Python flashbacks... |
| 16:15.37 | Jayce^ | *ding* I'm sorry, your 5 minutes are up |
| 16:15.47 | sjansen | Jayce^: I'd thank you to stop spreading your slanderous libel you licker of other people's camel snot. |
| 16:16.12 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I'm sorry, I can't continue to argue with you unless you pay |
| 16:16.43 | Sargun | lol |
| 16:17.38 | dataw0lf | oh, oh, I'm sorry, this is abuse |
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| 16:19.21 | Sargun | dataw0lf, aren't you +o? |
| 16:19.27 | Sargun | er |
| 16:19.34 | Sargun | have access to becoming an oper. |
| 16:19.42 | dataw0lf | no |
| 16:20.14 | findlay | how would you test if you do or not? |
| 16:21.20 | emcnabb | I love when people make me an op |
| 16:21.22 | Tene | ask chanserv about the access list |
| 16:21.33 | sjansen | Leave an apple pie on your front step overnight. If it's still there in the morning, you do. |
| 16:21.35 | Tene | Oh, looks like I lost my +o during the last netsplit. |
| 16:24.31 | findlay | Tene: doesn't show me much |
| 16:25.10 | Tene | findlay: that shows the people who have access to receiving +o from chanserv |
| 16:25.17 | Tene | findlay: /msg chanserv access #utah list |
| 16:25.38 | findlay | well, you're not on there :-) |
| 16:25.43 | Tene | Nope, I'm not. |
| 16:25.49 | findlay | ok |
| 16:26.05 | Tene | Someone gave me a +o on my birthday. |
| 16:26.30 | Sargun | aw. |
| 16:26.34 | Sargun | That's sweet of them |
| 16:30.40 | sinuhe | Does no one check their away messages anymore? |
| 16:32.07 | sinuhe | (We should have a rant list: ~24 for not checking away messages for instance.) |
| 16:34.21 | sinuhe | Which makes me wonder what number 1 would be? |
| 16:34.28 | sinuhe | s/?/./ |
| 16:34.59 | mheath | LMAO |
| 16:35.20 | mheath | so, about a freakin YEAR LATER, someone replies to an old Ubuntu bug report I made |
| 16:35.34 | mheath | Which isn't evn applicible anymore. I forgot about it myself. |
| 16:35.50 | Tene | ~awaymessage sinuhe |
| 16:37.02 | sinuhe | Hmmm...use of acronyms uncommon to regular speech would be in my top ten. I like to "Laugh my ass off" not LMAO. (Sorry mheath: feel to free to flame me.) |
| 16:37.19 | sinuhe | That's what "/me" is for. |
| 16:37.26 | findlay | ~lol |
| 16:37.27 | ibot | rumour has it, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 16:37.48 | sinuhe | LOL is one of the few I use. It's so common it will be its own word soon (if not already). |
| 16:37.58 | sjansen | http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1948.shtml -- Disband the Fed and give control back to Congress? Hello?! Who do you think created the mess to begin with? Give congress control and as quick as you can say "populist government" we'll look like an old-fashioned South American country. |
| 16:38.01 | brac | [Doomsday for the greenback] |
| 16:38.15 | sinuhe | Apparently, the US OED compact edition now has a small glossary of common US internet acronyms. |
| 16:39.23 | Sargun | Yay! Its mheath! |
| 16:39.28 | mheath | sjansen: WTF? |
| 16:39.31 | sinuhe | Has the 3rd edition (online only currently) added lol yet, or a similar lexicon? |
| 16:39.33 | mheath | Disband the federal government? |
| 16:39.48 | mheath | What kind of RETARDED suggestion is that? |
| 16:39.53 | Sargun | hhahaha |
| 16:40.17 | mheath | erm, not the federal goernment....I assume you mean the executive department |
| 16:40.54 | dataw0lf | the federal reserve, for crying out loud |
| 16:41.00 | dataw0lf | read the article before commenting |
| 16:41.16 | sinuhe | Actually, the concept of a sole parliamentary government has been suggested for the modern U.S. before. There's some merit, I think, but not yet: we're still too embroiled in state politics to abandon the power balancing between the 3 branches of government and the state/People powers. |
| 16:42.08 | findlay | nah, leave the parliament in Europe |
| 16:42.32 | findlay | European commies :) |
| 16:42.36 | mheath | sinuhe: there is no merit |
| 16:42.54 | mheath | And, anyway, his synposis was confusing: the article seems to be about the Federal Reserve. |
| 16:42.57 | sinuhe | mheath: Why is that? |
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| 16:43.07 | sjansen | mheath: Sure there is. Break the strangle hold of the 2 party system. |
| 16:43.14 | redbeard2 | ~lart sjansen |
| 16:43.14 | ibot | slaps a compatible dib on sjansen's head |
| 16:43.17 | mheath | LMAO |
| 16:43.24 | sinuhe | We have been changing our constitution in this direction already (though in minor ways). |
| 16:43.26 | findlay | LAMO? |
| 16:43.34 | mheath | There is no longterm, permanent strangehold of a 2 party system |
| 16:43.43 | mheath | There have been so many different party systems in American history. |
| 16:43.52 | dataw0lf | uh |
| 16:43.59 | dataw0lf | over a 100 years ago |
| 16:44.08 | sjansen | *yawn* |
| 16:44.10 | sinuhe | There isn't a strangle hold of a 2 party system, but Jeffersonian politics have been dominant since the fall of the Federalists. |
| 16:44.16 | dataw0lf | uh |
| 16:44.27 | findlay | hu |
| 16:44.29 | sjansen | mheath: When you're less than 2 decades old, you don't get to pretend that 100 years is a short time. |
| 16:44.31 | dataw0lf | the bipartisan political system is completely broken, what are you talking about |
| 16:44.40 | sjansen | Leave that to us old fogies. |
| 16:44.53 | sinuhe | sjansen: depends on how much you've read, even if you haven't personally experienced it. |
| 16:44.54 | dataw0lf | it's one of the major problems |
| 16:44.57 | mheath | sjansen: uh, I'm not talking about 100 years O.o |
| 16:45.02 | dataw0lf | and sjansen is right, it's a major problem |
| 16:45.06 | dataw0lf | err |
| 16:45.09 | dataw0lf | got a stranglehold |
| 16:45.12 | mheath | 1932-1964 had the Fifth Party System, which was drasticly different than our current system |
| 16:45.23 | mheath | (mainly because of the dominance of socialism/communism during the early part of that) |
| 16:45.43 | sjansen | In recent history, who other than the Republicans and Democrats has had a decent chance at power? |
| 16:45.57 | dataw0lf | uh |
| 16:45.59 | dataw0lf | first off |
| 16:46.12 | dataw0lf | it's debated whether we're still in the fifth party system |
| 16:46.16 | sjansen | Don't trot out the Green Party, or Libertarians or any other minor parties. And don't trott out ancient history about Jeffersion and Hamilton. |
| 16:46.21 | Sargun | Christians. |
| 16:46.47 | dataw0lf | second off, the new deal system wasn't much different than the current party system |
| 16:46.49 | Sargun | If there was a Christianity party (which there probably is) and it ran, they would have a decent chance. |
| 16:46.56 | Sargun | (Just a guess) |
| 16:46.58 | mheath | sjansen: I'm not saying that we're not in a two party system |
| 16:47.05 | goozbach | quick somebody, what's the key sequence in bash which expands the command line? |
| 16:47.10 | findlay | I want more than two parties |
| 16:47.12 | mheath | I'm saying that our political situation has changed rather rapidly in the pas |
| 16:47.16 | findlay | a party every week would be fun |
| 16:47.19 | Sargun | or a "God party" |
| 16:47.26 | goozbach | sinuhe: this is my big secret, I use #utah to answer questions quickly |
| 16:47.30 | mheath | And you don't need to insert changes into our government specifically for the purpose of "fixing the party system" |
| 16:47.36 | Tene | goozbach: ctrl+alt+x |
| 16:47.42 | Sargun | goozbach, why??? |
| 16:48.01 | goozbach | Sargun: because I want to show it to my students |
| 16:48.04 | Tene | goozbach: should I go up the hierarchy and learn haskell, or go down the hierarchy and brush up my C skills again? |
| 16:48.12 | Tene | goozbach: explain "expands"? |
| 16:48.13 | goozbach | Tene: thank you |
| 16:48.43 | Tene | goozbach: I just made up ctrl+alt+x. I thought you were referring to 'tab' as an atetmpt to change the topic of conversation. |
| 16:48.47 | findlay | Sargun: don't question the prerogative of a guru! |
| 16:49.04 | goozbach | Tene: nope not it |
| 16:49.15 | sinuhe | So much to forget, so little time: hence goozbach's comment. |
| 16:49.17 | herlo | goozbach: use echo infront of the command |
| 16:49.18 | findlay | :) |
| 16:49.25 | Sargun | goozbach, I thought you stopped teaching? |
| 16:49.28 | Sargun | new class? |
| 16:49.29 | Sargun | for who? |
| 16:49.32 | Sargun | guru class? |
| 16:49.33 | Tene | goozbach: what do you mean by "expand the command line"? |
| 16:49.39 | sjansen | mheath: Name another viable party. |
| 16:49.45 | goozbach | I'm talking about the trick that does all the brace expansion, varible expansion, etc |
| 16:49.53 | Tene | Ahh. |
| 16:49.53 | goozbach | before running the command that is |
| 16:50.00 | Tene | No clue. |
| 16:50.01 | sjansen | mheath: Before you do so, do enough research to back up your claim. |
| 16:50.03 | herlo | Tene: he wants to activate what echo would do if you typed "ls {m,d}om" |
| 16:50.23 | goozbach | there is a key sequence, herlo's solution would work, but is less elegant |
| 16:50.26 | sjansen | mheath: If you make another mistake think thinking "the fed" == "the federal govt." you'll make no progress with me. |
| 16:50.27 | herlo | goozbach: you can use "echo ls {m,d}om" |
| 16:50.37 | herlo | goozbach: I know, and if you find it, let me know |
| 16:50.52 | goozbach | herlo: it's not still in the 120 text is it? |
| 16:50.57 | herlo | nope |
| 16:51.04 | findlay | svn |
| 16:51.05 | goozbach | I don't have my copy of the GL120 right now |
| 16:51.09 | mheath | sjansen: How is it outrageous to assume fed == federal government? |
| 16:51.13 | herlo | we should definitely get it in there... |
| 16:51.29 | herlo | goozbach: I'd have to doublecheck though... |
| 16:51.47 | mheath | sjansen: http://apr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/27/1/9 |
| 16:51.48 | brac | [Political Parties in a Critical Era -- ALDRICH 27 (1): 9 -- American Politics Research] |
| 16:52.11 | goozbach | Sargun: I did stop, but I'm filling in for a month to help gurulabs get a couple of new hires up to speed |
| 16:52.20 | herlo | goozbach: do you want one? |
| 16:52.22 | goozbach | namely sinuhe here. |
| 16:52.43 | herlo | goozbach: and Tene IIRC |
| 16:52.55 | goozbach | Tene: you going with me on the 26th? |
| 16:52.57 | herlo | lab time! w00t! |
| 16:53.22 | sjansen | mheath: It might be reasonable, but it also demonstrates a lack of experience. "The feds" == "the FBI". "The Fed" == "The Federal Reserve" Especially when talking about monetary policy. |
| 16:54.15 | mheath | sjansen: and, alas, if you had said a single thing about money or monetary policy in your initial synposis, I may have been able to figure it out. |
| 16:55.18 | sjansen | mheath: RTFArticle |
| 16:55.32 | mheath | I did |
| 16:55.42 | mheath | I made an initial "Wow, that sounds weird" comment based off your synposis |
| 16:55.45 | mheath | Then I read the article |
| 16:55.49 | mheath | and quickly corrected myself |
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| 16:57.07 | Tene | goozbach: I dunno where Bryan wants me. |
| 16:57.34 | goozbach | ctrl-alt-e almost does what I want |
| 16:58.21 | sjansen | Anyway, I still don't see how giving congress control of the dollar would counter its decline. |
| 16:59.05 | emcnabb | Tene: you work for GL too? I've missed a lot over the last few months |
| 16:59.10 | sjansen | goozbach: Tene should be earning RHCE tomorrow. Meaning he might be teaching the 26th. |
| 16:59.27 | goozbach | ahh |
| 16:59.31 | goozbach | Tene: good luck |
| 16:59.44 | goozbach | Tene: are you out in Columbus with stuart? |
| 16:59.52 | goozbach | if so I'm going to be REALLY MAD |
| 17:00.08 | sjansen | Tene and sinuhe are with Bryan for a 253. |
| 17:00.10 | goozbach | sending three people to Columbus would be too much :) |
| 17:00.13 | sinuhe | I'll be in Houston with Stuart next week. |
| 17:00.14 | sjansen | redbeard2 is with me for a 133 |
| 17:00.24 | goozbach | sjansen: I knew THAT |
| 17:00.27 | goozbach | pfff! |
| 17:00.49 | sinuhe | 253? |
| 17:01.01 | sjansen | Oh, wait, not sinuhe but Clair. |
| 17:01.03 | goozbach | redhat network admin |
| 17:01.03 | sinuhe | I don't remember being scheduled for that. |
| 17:01.14 | sjansen | Geez, we've hired so many people even I'm getting confused. |
| 17:01.34 | sjansen | sinuhe's doing the 033 this week with... goozbach |
| 17:01.37 | sinuhe | I think everyone's confused. They drop kicked me on the plane after hiring. I barely had a chance to eat and pack. |
| 17:01.46 | sinuhe | 133 next with Stuart. |
| 17:01.52 | Tene | goozbach: there's an 033 in Columbus and an 033 in Sacramento. Bryan was asking me which I would prefer. |
| 17:02.30 | findlay | rsimpkins: you can talk all you want about the unseen commitment, effort, and underappreciatedness of being an SA, but I can say that (at least when having to deal with the complaints of the less versed) I feel it turning me into an irritable tyrant :-) |
| 17:02.49 | Sargun | I wonder if I can travel back in timre |
| 17:02.50 | Sargun | er |
| 17:02.51 | Sargun | time |
| 17:03.09 | sinuhe | I find being a SA as a thankless job. |
| 17:03.16 | Sargun | 133 is easy -- and boring. |
| 17:03.16 | findlay | sinuhe: it is |
| 17:03.34 | sinuhe | I've done it and remember how much I hated dealing with the politics around it. |
| 17:03.43 | findlay | ugh |
| 17:03.51 | Sargun | what's the process of becoming an RHCX? |
| 17:03.51 | findlay | I hate politics no matter where it is |
| 17:03.54 | sjansen | That's just 'cause you don't know how to enjoy being an SA. Google BOFH for pointers. |
| 17:04.01 | Supaplex | 133? |
| 17:04.04 | findlay | he |
| 17:04.07 | findlay | hehe |
| 17:04.14 | sinuhe | Heh. |
| 17:04.36 | sinuhe | bofhit as an acronym only confirms findlay's point. |
| 17:04.46 | sjansen | 033: Linux Fundamental, 133: Local Administration, 253: Network Service Administration, 300: Accelerated 133+253 |
| 17:05.14 | goozbach | Sargun: http://www.redhat.com/training |
| 17:05.23 | Supaplex | oh, class numbers. |
| 17:05.23 | emcnabb | who's Clair? |
| 17:05.25 | goozbach | plus about $15k |
| 17:05.31 | Sargun | anyone wanna refer me :-P |
| 17:05.41 | sinuhe | $15k? |
| 17:05.41 | findlay | Supaplex: it's a truncation of the rational number: 400/3 |
| 17:05.46 | Tene | emcnabb: Claire Pritchett, another new hire |
| 17:05.48 | goozbach | oh, nevermind, RHCX |
| 17:05.52 | goozbach | not RHCA |
| 17:06.02 | Sargun | RHCX isn't listed |
| 17:06.16 | Sargun | don't tell me you have to have an RHCA to become a RHCX? |
| 17:06.20 | goozbach | Sargun: first, you have to be old enough to rent a car |
| 17:06.22 | findlay | I'm an RHCZ! |
| 17:06.29 | goozbach | findlay: liar! |
| 17:06.31 | emcnabb | Tene: wow, lots of people now |
| 17:06.32 | Sargun | goozbach, I know you have to be 18+ |
| 17:06.32 | Sargun | right |
| 17:06.35 | Sargun | IIRC. |
| 17:06.41 | goozbach | give it a few years |
| 17:06.53 | goozbach | then apply at Guru Labs |
| 17:06.57 | Sargun | heh |
| 17:07.05 | goozbach | or at redhat |
| 17:07.08 | Sargun | usually how long do people work at guru |
| 17:07.28 | jsmith-lunch | Sargun: Until they go sane? |
| 17:07.41 | Sargun | Tene, Aw, why not? |
| 17:07.45 | goozbach | but (despite emcnabb's assertions to the contrary) working at GL is more fun than working at RH |
| 17:07.49 | Sargun | jsmith-lunch, or lose their sanity. |
| 17:08.03 | goozbach | Sargun: no, until they GAIN their sanity |
| 17:08.06 | jsmith-lunch | Sargun: Naw, they're all crazy (in a good way) to begin with |
| 17:08.14 | Tene | At least, not before Sargun matures a bit. |
| 17:08.16 | jsmith-lunch | goozbach: Amen! |
| 17:08.17 | sjansen | Dax, Bryan, Lamont, Stuart, Clint, Thad (for now), Christer, Joseph, Stephen, Clair, Dave |
| 17:08.19 | Sargun | I would imagine traveling around the country and staying in nasty hotels is fun. |
| 17:08.20 | sjansen | Did I miss anyone? |
| 17:08.24 | mheath | hey, jsmith-lunch, wher do you work currently (just curious)? |
| 17:08.26 | emcnabb | goozbach: I've never said that; and there are definite pros and cons to both |
| 17:08.41 | jsmith-lunch | mheath: The company I work for just got bought out, so I work for Digium now |
| 17:08.42 | goozbach | emcnabb: I know, I'm just trying to draw you into the conversation |
| 17:08.45 | emcnabb | haha |
| 17:08.48 | jsmith-lunch | mheath: (They're the company behind Asterisk) |
| 17:08.51 | sjansen | Sanity is optional. We hired goozbach didn't we? |
| 17:08.53 | Sargun | jsmith-lunch, Oh, cool. |
| 17:09.02 | Sargun | jsmith-lunch, Get any discounts on hardware? :-P |
| 17:09.07 | emcnabb | Sargun: historically (from my understanding), 1.5 - 3 years |
| 17:09.10 | goozbach | I miss Gurulabs |
| 17:09.10 | sinuhe | Sargun: I asked that question of Bryan. He said in most cases 2-3 years was about as long as most wives could deal with it. :-) |
| 17:09.13 | mheath | jsmith-lunch: ah, cool. Working with asterisk sounds like it would be a fun job =\ |
| 17:09.21 | jsmith-lunch | Sargun: Sure... :-) |
| 17:09.24 | findlay | jsmith-lunch: that means you're not 'community' anymore |
| 17:09.36 | jsmith-lunch | findlay: No, I'm the "Community Relations Manager" now... |
| 17:09.39 | goozbach | findlay: ask him his new title |
| 17:09.47 | goozbach | nm |
| 17:09.48 | jsmith-lunch | goozbach: Beat you to it |
| 17:09.51 | sjansen | Oh, BTW, we're still looking to hire 3 more people. |
| 17:09.55 | findlay | jsmith-lunch: but you're still on the inside :) |
| 17:10.23 | Jayce^ | sjansen, see, the big problem is I'd have to choose between applying there, and staying with my wife :) |
| 17:10.46 | Sargun | sjansen, three more whats? |
| 17:10.50 | jsmith-lunch | findlay: No, my job is to sit on the outside and push buttons on the inside to make the people on the outside happy |
| 17:10.51 | Sargun | and where |
| 17:11.01 | goozbach | Jayce^: I know... It's a tough choice |
| 17:11.05 | sjansen | Jayce^: Tell here it's for 2 or 3 years tops. |
| 17:11.16 | goozbach | I was |this| close to coming back to GL |
| 17:11.19 | sjansen | If you enjoy it enough, leave here after 3 years. ;-) |
| 17:11.20 | mheath | sjansen: Guru is looking to hire 3 more people? |
| 17:11.32 | emcnabb | I loved it, but could never go back to traveling that much |
| 17:11.33 | goozbach | but I am also about this->|| close to getting married |
| 17:11.39 | emcnabb | will never do it again |
| 17:11.40 | mheath | Bah, I'm starting college now, though. I can't go to college full time (17 credit hours) and work fulltime at a job like that |
| 17:11.45 | findlay | jsmith-lunch: you can say all you want about the grass roots, but we all know you're party to Digium's plan to overtake the world! |
| 17:11.47 | goozbach | and I doubt that she would appreciate me being gone |
| 17:12.13 | jsmith-lunch | findlay: I've been trying to use Asterisk to take over the world for five years now... the only thing different now is that I get all the good information before anyone else |
| 17:12.33 | emcnabb | goozbach: no, she wouldn't |
| 17:12.39 | findlay | goozbach: aww, now all you need to do is take the limit as || --> 0 |
| 17:12.47 | emcnabb | goozbach: tell me more about your "friend"? |
| 17:12.56 | Jayce^ | sjansen, my wife would say 2-3 months tops with that amount of away time |
| 17:13.08 | emcnabb | sjansen: when are you getting hitched? |
| 17:13.12 | Tene | My girl doesn't much like me being gone, but she's gone for months at a time to school down at SUU, so she's not allowed to object. |
| 17:13.12 | jsmith-lunch | Jayce^: Mine too |
| 17:13.26 | goozbach | emcnabb: it's not "friend" anymore it's full fledged GIRLFRIEND |
| 17:13.32 | emcnabb | goozbach: oh my |
| 17:13.42 | dataw0lf | goozbach: you too? |
| 17:13.46 | dataw0lf | tsk |
| 17:13.54 | findlay | ~gf goozbach |
| 17:14.03 | goozbach | http://www.friocorte.com/talam/album?album_id=15884 |
| 17:14.11 | emcnabb | Jayce^: jsmith-lunch: after I got married, I only lasted 10 more months at GL |
| 17:14.34 | emcnabb | goozbach: ah, so this is the same girl as before |
| 17:14.39 | goozbach | emcnabb: yup |
| 17:14.45 | findlay | ibot: gf $goozbach is <reply> $goozbach and gf sitting in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g |
| 17:14.46 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 17:14.46 | emcnabb | nice |
| 17:14.50 | Jayce^ | same mythical girl |
| 17:14.59 | goozbach | and now I'm moving to ATL to be closer to her |
| 17:15.00 | emcnabb | goozbach: you're good a photoshop |
| 17:15.04 | emcnabb | or is it gimp? |
| 17:15.05 | sinuhe | I want to hold onto this one as long as possible. Once the fly miles are on the up, I'll bring her along. Having the travel bug, I'm sure that'll appease her for awhile. |
| 17:15.08 | goozbach | and for my new job |
| 17:15.12 | sinuhe | Gimp! |
| 17:15.14 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, oh, he's a gimp allright |
| 17:15.17 | jsmith-lunch | emcnabb: It sounds like Matt Woodson didn't last too long either... |
| 17:15.32 | emcnabb | gimpy goozbach |
| 17:15.57 | emcnabb | goozbach: so she's from Atlanta? |
| 17:15.59 | jsmith-lunch | gimpy goozy... sounds like some kind of sugary concoction |
| 17:16.12 | emcnabb | jsmith-lunch: haha |
| 17:16.21 | Sargun | I wonder what mheath's students passing rate would be |
| 17:16.55 | goozbach | emcnabb: yup |
| 17:17.01 | emcnabb | goozbach: which part? |
| 17:17.08 | goozbach | Woodville |
| 17:17.12 | emcnabb | Sargun: stop trying to get mheath worked up |
| 17:17.16 | findlay | heh |
| 17:17.19 | goozbach | er Woodstock |
| 17:18.03 | emcnabb_afk | goozbach: wow, right by Lisa's place |
| 17:18.16 | goozbach | soon, I will be in charge of the servers which manage all of these websites: http://www.cxri.net/ |
| 17:18.18 | brac | [CXRi Site List] |
| 17:19.29 | Sargun | good luck |
| 17:20.37 | findlay | because Sargun will do his best to take them down :) |
| 17:22.42 | sinuhe | goozbach's first global email: All your base are belong to us. |
| 17:22.54 | findlay | What you say? |
| 17:25.21 | goozbach | I blow up your asploder |
| 17:26.06 | ^Migs^ | http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3083/1180971195810nq9.gif |
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| 17:30.59 | Tene | itsafozz |
| 17:31.52 | findlay | tisatene |
| 17:32.44 | beandog | is gabe around in here |
| 17:32.58 | findlay | don't think so |
| 17:33.09 | findlay | I can ping him if you want |
| 17:34.46 | beandog | nah. |
| 17:34.50 | beandog | Ill just email him |
| 17:35.25 | Tene | http://www.noisebot.com/soy_sauce_t-shirt |
| 17:35.27 | brac | [NoiseBot.com - Soy Sauce T-Shirt, Hoodie, or Tote Bag] |
| 17:39.42 | goozbach | do I want to get an X series tablet? |
| 17:39.45 | goozbach | hmm |
| 17:40.05 | Supaplex | you can get me one |
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| 17:42.18 | Sargun | goozbach, no. |
| 17:42.32 | goozbach | nevermind I found the t61p |
| 17:42.41 | goozbach | it's under moble workstatsions |
| 17:42.46 | goozbach | yay customizing |
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| 17:56.26 | rsimpkins | Okay all. I need a good wiki. |
| 17:56.40 | rsimpkins | I want my wiki to allow ACLs, tree structures, etc. |
| 17:56.50 | rsimpkins | And I want code highlighting on the order of GeSHi |
| 17:58.02 | findlay | ok, what idiot invented the floating web page element?! |
| 17:58.05 | rsimpkins | WikkaWiki |
| 17:59.05 | rsimpkins | or TWiki |
| 17:59.33 | rsimpkins | Too many wikis! I have a wikiache. |
| 18:00.02 | findlay | just write a one-liner in perl |
| 18:00.06 | findlay | :) |
| 18:03.28 | herlo | does anyone here belong to UJUG? |
| 18:03.48 | dataw0lf | probably ^Migs^ |
| 18:04.05 | ^Migs^ | UJUG? |
| 18:04.07 | herlo | dataw0lf: are you bashing ^Migs^? |
| 18:04.11 | ^Migs^ | Utah Java User's Group? |
| 18:04.24 | herlo | ^Migs^: utah java user group |
| 18:04.33 | ^Migs^ | I don't feel the peculiar need to associate myself with nerds and geeks |
| 18:04.33 | findlay | uninterruptable jugs |
| 18:04.34 | herlo | ^Migs^: not what *dataw0lf* was thinking |
| 18:04.59 | herlo | findlay: you know that jugs refers to female anatomy, right? |
| 18:05.02 | QBFreak | rsimpkins: TWiki should be able to do all of that, I'm 99% sure there is a good syntax highlighting plugin |
| 18:05.27 | herlo | findlay: in a derogatory sense |
| 18:05.30 | herlo | :) |
| 18:05.40 | findlay | herlo: nope, never heard that before |
| 18:05.50 | herlo | findlay: and therein lies your problem |
| 18:05.57 | fozzmoo | TWiki is nice. |
| 18:06.21 | findlay | herlo: but I'm fine with being a geek |
| 18:08.02 | findlay | I want no part of a society that demands you put stifling limitations on your vocabulary and buffer your ideas so people can understand them without thinking |
| 18:08.52 | Supaplex | ditto |
| 18:09.00 | beandog | could you rephrase that |
| 18:09.07 | Supaplex | I have plenty of my own vocab to keep up on. |
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| 18:11.39 | herlo | beandog: ping |
| 18:12.12 | herlo | beandog: so, as it turns out, you *do* have to wait 60 days after changing the info before transferring a domain from godaddy... |
| 18:13.47 | beandog | yah |
| 18:13.50 | beandog | kinda crapalicious. |
| 18:14.45 | Supaplex | herlo: where you transfering to? |
| 18:18.14 | herlo | Supaplex: transferring a domain to tosdomains.net. I love it there |
| 18:22.02 | Supaplex | cool |
| 18:22.16 | findlay | just a matter of time until you hate them too |
| 18:22.30 | Sargun | ^Migs^, fire that guy? |
| 18:23.47 | ^Migs^ | no, he's leaving today anyway |
| 18:24.22 | Supaplex | more work for you now? |
| 18:24.29 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 18:24.38 | ^Migs^ | there's still a ton of "minor issues" as he calls them |
| 18:25.57 | Lakshmi | hey sargun |
| 18:26.08 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: and he's only downplaying that part huh? :) Where do you work? |
| 18:26.10 | findlay | hey Lakshmi |
| 18:26.20 | Lakshmi | hi findlay sup |
| 18:26.34 | findlay | AYB |
| 18:27.05 | ^Migs^ | Weber School District |
| 18:28.14 | Supaplex | ahh public schools. |
| 18:29.00 | ^Migs^ | Lord Krishna has left the building. |
| 18:29.01 | Sargun | Nooo! |
| 18:29.02 | Sargun | run away! |
| 18:29.09 | Sargun | Lakshmi, why'd you come online earlier |
| 18:29.11 | Sargun | and not respond? |
| 18:29.22 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:29.22 | Sargun | did you get my messages in AIM |
| 18:29.25 | findlay | why? |
| 18:29.30 | Sargun | ^Migs^, what issues? |
| 18:30.36 | ^Migs^ | speed issues, SSL... |
| 18:32.31 | findlay | what's a good SVG viewer? |
| 18:37.08 | Lakshmi | sargun i did come online earlier.. whne |
| 18:37.14 | Lakshmi | amd i jus woke up |
| 18:37.19 | Lakshmi | and yes AIM please |
| 18:41.06 | findlay | ~aim Lakshmi |
| 18:42.28 | Lakshmi | wha? |
| 18:45.29 | mheath | ~fire Lakshmi |
| 18:45.30 | ibot | I'm sorry, Lakshmi, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 18:45.41 | Tene | ~burn Lakshmi |
| 18:45.41 | ibot | ACTION pours gasoline all over Lakshmi, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 18:45.52 | Lakshmi | :( |
| 18:46.20 | ^Migs^ | serves you right |
| 18:47.53 | Tene | For what? |
| 18:49.03 | mheath | For dating Sargun? |
| 18:49.05 | mheath | ;-P |
| 18:49.56 | Lakshmi | heh |
| 18:50.28 | Lakshmi | now where is he? |
| 18:51.08 | mheath | IIRC, they were slightly obsolete before I even received them |
| 18:51.10 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208.64.90.18.static.utahbroadband.com) |
| 18:51.11 | mheath | Now they're two versions old |
| 18:51.16 | mheath | and I've got like 40 of them. |
| 18:51.34 | mheath | This is cool |
| 18:51.42 | mheath | I'm so excited that University of Utah has a Nuclear Reactor. |
| 18:52.12 | goozbach | new command I learned today: lastb |
| 18:52.16 | goozbach | last bad logings |
| 18:52.20 | goozbach | logins that is |
| 18:52.36 | mheath | goozbach: cool. |
| 18:52.52 | mheath | I think it would be neat to have a "command-a-day" feed or somemthing. |
| 18:53.06 | mheath | Teach people new not-used-much-but-useful commands |
| 18:57.09 | Sargun | back |
| 18:57.28 | Lakshmi | hey sargun |
| 18:57.50 | Sargun | mheath, you should do that. I'd subscribe |
| 18:57.55 | Sargun | an RSS feed. |
| 18:58.03 | Sargun | and a planet with command of the day, regexp of the day |
| 18:58.04 | Sargun | etc.. |
| 18:58.12 | Sargun | a podcast |
| 18:58.19 | Sargun | of commands! |
| 18:58.25 | Sargun | and a vcast + screencast |
| 18:58.30 | Tene | I command you to jump in a lake! |
| 18:59.17 | Sargun | make a screencast of it. |
| 18:59.31 | Sargun | and an SSH cast |
| 18:59.44 | Sargun | you take text and write it out with javascript |
| 18:59.53 | Sargun | and make clicking and clacking noises |
| 18:59.57 | Sargun | or beeping, like in war games |
| 19:01.06 | Sargun | ~stab mheath |
| 19:01.06 | ibot | ACTION runs at mheath with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 19:01.22 | mheath | ~lart Sargun |
| 19:01.22 | ibot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Sargun |
| 19:01.27 | mheath | ~ignore Sargun |
| 19:01.27 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Sargun!" |
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| 19:05.18 | beandog | weirdos. |
| 19:12.18 | sjansen | goozbach: You found the T61p on Lenovo's site?! |
| 19:12.29 | goozbach | yup |
| 19:12.34 | goozbach | under t-series |
| 19:12.39 | goozbach | then mobile workstation |
| 19:12.44 | goozbach | then t61p |
| 19:12.59 | goozbach | I've got mine custimized and ordered already, geez |
| 19:13.14 | goozbach | breathe! |
| 19:13.31 | sjansen | Wait! |
| 19:13.38 | sjansen | I'm all ready at my keyboard! |
| 19:13.51 | goozbach | redbeard2: start fanning sjansen if he turns purple |
| 19:14.04 | goozbach | if he passes out splash some cold water on his face |
| 19:14.24 | sjansen | [AWAY] He he whee ho boy! |
| 19:14.31 | sinuhe | ~splash goozbach |
| 19:14.43 | goozbach | ~wake sinuhe |
| 19:14.44 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on sinuhe and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 19:14.51 | sinuhe | Sigh. |
| 19:15.02 | goozbach | sinuhe: your bot-fu is weak |
| 19:15.08 | sinuhe | Is there a way to list all the existing ibot macros. |
| 19:15.10 | sinuhe | duh |
| 19:15.23 | sinuhe | s/ros./ros?/ |
| 19:15.25 | goozbach | ~whaleblock sinuhe |
| 19:15.25 | ibot | ACTION shields sinuhe with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 19:15.37 | sinuhe | huger? |
| 19:15.45 | goozbach | as in more huge |
| 19:15.55 | sjansen | ~bless goozbach |
| 19:15.56 | ibot | goozbach: Live long and prosper! \//, |
| 19:15.56 | goozbach | ~whaleriposte sinuhe |
| 19:15.57 | ibot | ACTION follows a parry by riposting sinuhe's attack with an aerodynamic whale called Mickey |
| 19:16.17 | goozbach | ~whaleparry sinuhe |
| 19:16.17 | ibot | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry sinuhe's attacks. |
| 19:16.42 | sjansen | sinuhe: It all started with ~whaleslap |
| 19:16.51 | findlay | ~whalenuke mheath |
| 19:16.52 | ibot | ACTION dons his radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around mheath with his mind powers |
| 19:17.07 | mheath | uh |
| 19:17.14 | findlay | hu |
| 19:17.27 | mheath | if you had mind powers, I imagine you could find a rather more direct way to kill me than causing fission around me. |
| 19:17.45 | findlay | don't ask me, the whale did it |
| 19:17.51 | mheath | Also, I don't think a nuclear reaction works well with a human in the middle of it. |
| 19:18.06 | ^Migs^ | http://mfrost.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/10/omgponies.jpg |
| 19:18.10 | goozbach | it WOULD be a pretty nasty way to die |
| 19:18.29 | goozbach | ~whaleslap goobach |
| 19:18.30 | ibot | ACTION beats goobach upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:18.34 | rsimpkins | I had to set up a simple captcha on the plug.org signup. WAY too many spam bots |
| 19:18.48 | sinuhe | ~fishslap goozbach |
| 19:18.49 | ibot | ACTION slaps goozbach up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:18.52 | mheath | goozbach: no, as in I don't think the reactin would work properly with me in the middle of it. |
| 19:18.53 | sjansen | Hmmm.... 100G 7200RPM or 160G 5400RPM? |
| 19:19.04 | mheath | I just got a picture of a human jammed down in the reactor tank between the control rods |
| 19:19.09 | mheath | I think that would mess things up :P |
| 19:19.11 | sinuhe | That's for misspelling your own handle, goozbach |
| 19:19.37 | findlay | goozbach: better than asploding |
| 19:19.41 | goozbach | no, you don't understand, my brother is due to connect any second now, and I wanted to slap him |
| 19:19.50 | goozbach | his nick is goobach |
| 19:20.10 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:20.11 | mheath | ~larg goozbach for people able to afford a cool $1,508.00 laptop |
| 19:20.18 | mheath | ~lart goozbach for people able to afford a cool $1,508.00 laptop |
| 19:20.18 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples goozbach's foot to the floor for people able to afford a cool $1,508.00 laptop |
| 19:20.23 | findlay | me watches sjansen dither himself into a fit |
| 19:20.32 | goozbach | mheath: try 4206 |
| 19:20.39 | goozbach | mheath: try$ 4206 |
| 19:20.42 | goozbach | lkjs |
| 19:20.45 | rsimpkins | mheath: You got a picture - like - an actual picture? |
| 19:20.57 | mheath | rsimpkins: A mental picture. |
| 19:21.22 | mheath | People usually don't hang out by radioactive materials, irrespective of the fact on if they're near control rods. |
| 19:21.38 | sinuhe | goobach: eeewww |
| 19:22.01 | sinuhe | That's like a symphony that didn't quite make it. |
| 19:22.08 | rsimpkins | mheath: Quick. Your reactor is going prompt critical. What do you do? |
| 19:22.43 | sinuhe | Send Spock in to compensate, then revive him from a self replicating (your self replicating planet will self destruct in...) |
| 19:22.50 | sinuhe | planet |
| 19:22.50 | mheath | goozbach: uh, can't be $4206 |
| 19:23.00 | mheath | You put EVERYTHING they have into it, and its still $3,607 |
| 19:23.05 | sinuhe | rsimpkins: sorry for jumping the gun for mheath |
| 19:23.32 | rsimpkins | sinuhe: No matter, he was dead in .5 seconds any how. :) |
| 19:23.33 | findlay | only 300 K today |
| 19:23.42 | mheath | rsimpkins: Rip off a control rod and chuck it in, since I'm so aptly situated to manually do that :P |
| 19:25.34 | rsimpkins | mheath: The guy who tried that with the SL-1 got pinned to the cealing. |
| 19:25.52 | mheath | uh, no. |
| 19:26.33 | mheath | rsimpkins: The control rods of the SL-1 were manually _withdrawn_ for maintenance. |
| 19:26.48 | mheath | Due to an error, they were OVERWITHDRAWN |
| 19:26.56 | findlay | ~withdraw mheath |
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| 19:27.06 | findlay | ~withsketch mheath |
| 19:27.17 | mheath | rsimpkins: if they were broken off and put in, the reactor couldn't have possibly gone prompt critical. |
| 19:27.22 | Tene | rsimpkins: you fail! |
| 19:27.49 | findlay | LOL! IM IN UR REACTOR |
| 19:28.09 | rsimpkins | i guess so. |
| 19:28.23 | rsimpkins | Remind me to stay away from nuclear material. |
| 19:28.32 | findlay | rsimpkins: there's a proton! |
| 19:28.44 | rsimpkins | Ahh! |
| 19:28.50 | findlay | hehe |
| 19:29.00 | mheath | rsimpkins: No one knows who tried what |
| 19:29.04 | mheath | Everyone involved died |
| 19:29.07 | mheath | and the room was a wreck |
| 19:29.14 | mheath | and they weren't able to seriously examine anything there for a long time |
| 19:29.26 | mheath | All they know is that they theorize the control rods were accidentally overdrawn |
| 19:29.59 | mheath | The Navy is rediculously serious about safety with their reactors |
| 19:30.13 | mheath | And pride themselves that they have never had a catastrophy with their nuclear reactors |
| 19:30.18 | findlay | ~spell ridiculously |
| 19:30.41 | mheath | heh |
| 19:30.58 | mheath | "The bodies of all three were buried in lead-lined caskets sealed with concrete and placed in metal vaults with a concrete cover." |
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| 19:48.01 | ^Migs^ | hahaha, watch the video: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/10/will-it-blend-the-iphone-smoothie/ |
| 19:48.08 | brac | [Will it Blend: the iPhone smoothie - Engadget] |
| 19:50.04 | sjansen | I still can't decide.... 100G 7200RPM or 160G 5400RPM? |
| 19:50.43 | sinuhe | 72rpm |
| 19:51.10 | sinuhe | s/72/7200/ |
| 19:52.45 | sjansen | I've heard the 5400RPM can be just as fast because the data is more dense. |
| 19:53.36 | sjansen | OTOH, I'm only using 34G right night. Dense or not, my gut says 7200RPM should be faster. |
| 19:55.12 | sjansen | Wish I knew the manufacturer so I could search for benchmarks. |
| 19:55.13 | ^Migs^ | so a 10TB 100RPM would be as fast as a 100G 7200RPM? |
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| 19:56.40 | findlay | whatever you do, don't do acrobatic manovers in your fighter jet while doing HDD-intensive computing with your laptop. That many G's torquing a stack of platters at 7200 RPMs has got to be murder on the bearings |
| 19:56.41 | emcnabb | sjansen: I have the 160GB 5400RPM drive and it seems just as fast as my old 7200RPM |
| 19:56.42 | Jayce^ | sjansen, are they both perp, and do you care about battery life? |
| 19:57.08 | sjansen | Jayce^: Good questions. No details. Any guesses? |
| 19:57.11 | findlay | emcnabb: what does hdparm say? |
| 19:57.23 | emcnabb | sjansen: when I first got it a did some informal benchmarks, and they were fairly similar |
| 19:57.26 | sjansen | 5400 RPM would probably be kinder to the battery... |
| 19:57.48 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I have a 160, perp, 5400... the perp makes it about as fast as my old 7200, and it takes less battery.. |
| 19:57.58 | emcnabb | Jayce^: ACK |
| 19:58.14 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, SYN |
| 19:58.27 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.36 | *** kick/#utah [emcnabb!n=jayce@pollux.northsky.com] by Jayce^ (Jayce^) |
| 19:58.52 | Jayce^ | oh wait, look what that does :) |
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| 19:59.35 | Jayce^ | darn space key, so hard to hit sometimes.. |
| 19:59.40 | sinuhe | It's good to be the king. |
| 19:59.52 | findlay | ~space Jayce^ |
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| 20:00.37 | emcnabb | ~bow Jayce^ |
| 20:00.47 | clints | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:00.47 | ibot | rm -rf's Jayce^ |
| 20:01.05 | clints | ~findlay Jayce^ |
| 20:01.06 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps Jayce^. |
| 20:01.23 | findlay | ~herlo clints |
| 20:01.23 | ibot | ACTION pokes clints with a sharp needle |
| 20:01.24 | clints | ~cook Lakshmi |
| 20:01.25 | ibot | ACTION throws Lakshmi in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks Lakshmi on 350 for an hour |
| 20:01.53 | Lakshmi | why me?! |
| 20:02.26 | clints | Lakshmi: because I am mean! |
| 20:02.44 | Supaplex | ~lart bordem |
| 20:02.44 | ibot | teaches bordem that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 20:02.57 | clints | I am teaching a class in Houston and showing off pidgin |
| 20:03.10 | findlay | ~whalepunt clints |
| 20:03.11 | ibot | ACTION looks onward as an everest-sized whale called Victor punts clints across the Atlantic |
| 20:03.16 | clints | ~complain pidgin |
| 20:03.56 | sjansen | ~fart clints |
| 20:03.56 | ibot | ACTION farts in clints's general direction |
| 20:04.03 | emcnabb | clints: get back to work, slacker |
| 20:04.05 | findlay | ~travolta sjansen |
| 20:04.05 | ibot | ACTION replaces sjansen with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 20:04.15 | emcnabb | clints: you're just looking for an excuse to get on IRC |
| 20:04.17 | sinuhe | ~ibotisgettingoutofhand clints |
| 20:04.30 | clints | emcnabb: of course |
| 20:04.36 | ^Migs^ | http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7771 |
| 20:04.37 | brac | [Utah Outdoor Forum] |
| 20:04.46 | clints | findlay: do you know anythign about the houston symphony of games? |
| 20:07.25 | clints | ~nudget findlay |
| 20:07.32 | clints | ~nudge findlay |
| 20:07.33 | ibot | ACTION elbows findlay until he gets findlay's attention |
| 20:08.15 | herlo | ~beat findlay |
| 20:08.16 | ibot | ACTION beats findlay with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 20:08.28 | findlay | clints: what do you mean by 'houston symphony of games'? |
| 20:09.12 | findlay | if they have a symphony in Houston it's probably fine, though I haven't heard of them |
| 20:09.26 | herlo | findlay: I think clints means that there is a symphony here who on occasion performs Video game music |
| 20:10.00 | findlay | well, I guess I implicitly answered your question |
| 20:10.14 | herlo | findlay: I guess you answered his question |
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| 20:11.10 | findlay | haha, got to love it when a segmentation fault backtrace shows up in your cron mail |
| 20:11.46 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 20:15.25 | rsimpkins | Has anyone here used TikiWiki? |
| 20:15.39 | findlay | all I know is it's ugly |
| 20:15.45 | decriptor | tikiwiki |
| 20:16.00 | decriptor | I haven't heard mention of that for at least 2 or 3 yeats |
| 20:16.09 | decriptor | s/yeats/years/ |
| 20:17.33 | Estwald | " 2 or 3 yeats " a Battlestar Galactica measurment of time... |
| 20:17.55 | fozzmoo | Felgercarb! |
| 20:18.05 | Estwald | Heheheheee |
| 20:18.19 | findlay | we *should* be using the Planck time for measuring time, you know |
| 20:18.25 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/ptech/07/12/ipods.lightning.ap/index.html |
| 20:18.27 | brac | [Experts warn of lightning-strike injuries with iPods - CNN.com] |
| 20:18.41 | fozzmoo | So-called experts. |
| 20:18.53 | findlay | heh |
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| 20:23.33 | findlay | ~planck time |
| 20:24.53 | findlay | ibot: Planck time is the time it would take light to cross a distance equal to the Planck length |
| 20:24.53 | ibot | okay, findlay |
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| 20:26.08 | Sargun | nick125_, hey |
| 20:26.50 | Sargun | nick125_, what are you upto? |
| 20:27.02 | findlay | ibot: Planck time is also 5.39121(40) x 10^{-44} s |
| 20:27.02 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 20:27.03 | ^Migs^ | Supaplex, you still there? |
| 20:27.08 | ^Migs^ | see msg |
| 20:27.19 | findlay | ~planck time |
| 20:27.19 | ibot | somebody said planck time was the time it would take light to cross a distance equal to the Planck length, or 5.39121(40) x 10^{-44} s |
| 20:28.06 | ^Migs^ | http://mfrost.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/12/disapproval.jpg |
| 20:29.14 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: yes. ok. 1m. |
| 20:29.48 | ^Migs^ | NO. NOW. |
| 20:29.50 | findlay | 1m? |
| 20:29.53 | findlay | what's 1m |
| 20:30.31 | findlay | 1 million ^Migs^? |
| 20:30.34 | ^Migs^ | I thought it was 1 muffin |
| 20:30.40 | findlay | we just don't know |
| 20:30.43 | ^Migs^ | I was all excited to be getting a muffin |
| 20:30.48 | ^Migs^ | now I might not be getting one |
| 20:30.57 | findlay | 1 million muffins! |
| 20:31.34 | ^Migs^ | 1mm |
| 20:33.08 | Estwald | Muffins ?? Do you know the Muffin Man ? |
| 20:34.31 | cww | Who lives on Drury Lane? |
| 20:35.02 | sjansen | I've stayed at a Drury Inn a couple of times. |
| 20:35.12 | sjansen | Great breakfasts. |
| 20:35.16 | sjansen | Close enough? |
| 20:35.22 | cww | Yes, I know the muffin man, except he doesn't sell muffins any more, he switched to meth |
| 20:36.06 | Estwald | Ah. |
| 20:40.19 | levi | I have returned. |
| 20:40.43 | cww | which is sad, cuz he made some delicious muffins |
| 20:40.49 | levi | Unashamed by the fact that somewhere, someone named a dog with my name. |
| 20:41.34 | findlay | levi: there's probably a dog out there with my moniker on it too |
| 20:42.30 | levi | Probably. |
| 20:42.36 | levi | I imagine that is the case for most names. |
| 20:43.00 | cww | there appears to be a lurker with the name rex |
| 20:43.27 | levi | Indiana Jones took his name from the family dog, so sharing a name with a dog must be cool. |
| 20:45.35 | ^Migs^ | unless..Indiana Jones...ISN'T COOL |
| 20:45.47 | cww | blasphemy |
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| 20:47.32 | sjansen | Suck it up and pay for the cheapest version of Windows? Or fight for a refund? |
| 20:47.37 | levi | ^Migs^: Silly. Of course he is. |
| 20:48.35 | mheath | At what point does your Highschool diploma + grades not matter? |
| 20:48.35 | findlay | sjansen: fight! |
| 20:48.41 | mheath | Will they still look at that if I'm an undergraduate transfer student going to a new university? |
| 20:48.55 | levi | mheath: Probably not to any great extent. |
| 20:49.24 | levi | Your performance in a university environment is far more indicative of your future university performance than high school grades. |
| 20:49.38 | mheath | I figured out the big problem with WSU, too |
| 20:50.04 | mheath | It's a "teaching university" which they claim makes it better - "Our professors come here to _teach_ not do research" |
| 20:50.29 | mheath | But I think, especially in technology fields like Computer Sciences, makes the professors out of touch with current things.. |
| 20:50.48 | levi | Well, not necessarily. |
| 20:51.05 | levi | Their CS department probably just sucks. |
| 20:51.10 | emcnabb | mheath: not true |
| 20:51.24 | emcnabb | too often "research" professors don't care at all about teaching |
| 20:51.36 | emcnabb | you're just a barrier between them and their research |
| 20:51.38 | levi | Research professors can be pretty out-of-touch with current things besides their specialty, too. |
| 20:51.44 | emcnabb | levi: exactly |
| 20:51.50 | mheath | Well, true |
| 20:52.06 | mheath | But at the same time, you get professors at places like WSU that haven't done anything except teach classes on Windows for 10 years. |
| 20:52.14 | levi | UVSC/UVU is definitely a teaching-oriented school, but they have some excellent people there. |
| 20:52.24 | sinuhe | Herein may lie the dilemma we talked about regarding hackers and SAs. |
| 20:52.27 | findlay | and it bugs me |
| 20:52.42 | findlay | I can hardly wait to get out of there |
| 20:52.44 | levi | Chuck Allison, for example, is very active in the C++ community and has published lots of articles and such. |
| 20:53.15 | Jayce^ | and yet he get's pissed off because somebody on the plug list dares to ask what his /etc/hosts file looks like :) |
| 20:53.43 | levi | Jayce^: Chuck did? |
| 20:54.32 | Jayce^ | levi, weren't you around at that time? |
| 20:54.47 | levi | Jayce^: I don't recall the incident, so probably not. |
| 20:54.51 | Jayce^ | yeah, he put linux on a box, and started playing around.. then complained when x started having problems |
| 20:55.29 | Jayce^ | several people began asking different debugging questions, including checking files.. hosts, resolv.conf, etc |
| 20:55.55 | Jayce^ | when it was pointed out to him that he'd deleted 127.0.0.1, he got angry .. |
| 20:56.07 | levi | Well, we all have our faults. Having talked a lot with Chuck, I have a high opinion of him and his dedication to teaching. |
| 20:56.17 | Jayce^ | felt that kind of easy answer couldn't be it, he was smarter than that and had been using unix longer than any of us |
| 20:56.24 | Jayce^ | and that he would no longer have anything to do with the lug |
| 20:56.33 | levi | Weird. |
| 20:56.43 | Jayce^ | but yeah, that was his whole problem, he deleted the line because he decided it was unecessary |
| 20:56.59 | sinuhe | Deleting the loopback makes no sense outside of ignorance. |
| 20:57.07 | Jayce^ | and he got really pissed at us.. |
| 20:57.11 | Jayce^ | wouldnt' talk to any of us again |
| 20:57.48 | sinuhe | No matter the credential, I'm beginning to realize that humility with knowledge is always necessary, even when a D.Sc. |
| 20:58.47 | findlay | sinuhe: every physics professor I have personally known always goes by their first name no matter what their degree :) |
| 20:59.01 | ^Migs^ | what if you have no knowledge and no humility? |
| 20:59.07 | findlay | undefined |
| 20:59.11 | mheath | Grr |
| 20:59.13 | Estwald | sjansen: Or order a Dell with no OS at all. |
| 20:59.17 | ^Migs^ | grraaarr |
| 20:59.19 | findlay | ~dell sjansen |
| 20:59.20 | ibot | Dude! sjansen's getting a dell! |
| 20:59.34 | ^Migs^ | then stop getting credit cards |
| 20:59.37 | sjansen | Estwald: No thanks. |
| 20:59.48 | sinuhe | I learned this from a professor from the University of Utah in Philosophy, who would even ask his students regarding particulars that they challenged him on, before ripping them to shreds. |
| 20:59.58 | mheath | ^Migs^: No, I'm talking about having a sudden change of address and being out of contact with several places I might owe money to. |
| 21:00.14 | ^Migs^ | why do you owe money? |
| 21:00.20 | mheath | ^Migs^: I shouldn't, but... |
| 21:00.27 | sinuhe | findlay: I think respect for the doctoral title is important, i.e., ("Yes, Professor so-and-so, I'd be glad to call you John"). |
| 21:00.29 | mheath | For example, there was a Tricare thing I tried to clear up before I left Charleston |
| 21:00.46 | mheath | A doctor didn't put in a referral he should have, so tricare was denying claims and saying that when the doctor billed me, I was responsible |
| 21:00.57 | mheath | I tried to clear that up |
| 21:01.11 | mheath | And the doctor said he'd put in a referral retroactively and clear it up |
| 21:01.14 | mheath | But I left the day after that |
| 21:01.27 | mheath | So I don't know if they got it fixed, and I'm not sure how to clear that up |
| 21:01.45 | mheath | Second thing is, a Comcast account that I still can't find any information on or cancel for sure |
| 21:01.48 | findlay | sinuhe: I don't have as much formal respect for the title |
| 21:01.54 | mheath | THeir phone systems / reps lead me in circles every time I call |
| 21:01.55 | findlay | hardly any |
| 21:02.07 | mheath | For my service down on base that should have been canceld, but I'm not sure about |
| 21:02.25 | mheath | I don't think they have enough info on me to effect my credit record, but I'm not sure.. |
| 21:03.13 | sinuhe | findlay: I guess I've been around the academic community for quite a bit. I have both a healthy respect for what it takes to get a Ph.D/D.Sc., but also respect the title. That doesn't mean I disrespect a request to be on a name to name basis, but respect the title when in public. |
| 21:03.43 | mheath | I have no clue how to clear all this up |
| 21:03.57 | mheath | and meanwhile I'm worried by credit record is getting trashed without me knowing about it |
| 21:04.09 | sinuhe | My priest is still Fr Lee, unless I'm having dinner with him, then he's just Lee, by his request. My friend Marilyn is still Dr Welles, unless I'm writing her a private email, etc. |
| 21:04.49 | sjansen | You're killing me Smalls. |
| 21:05.11 | findlay | well, I don't like to appropriate different amounts of respect in my treatment of people |
| 21:05.18 | levi | Jayce^: I just found the archives of that discussion and I don't see what you're talking about regarding him getting angry at you and leaving. It sounds like he just got frustrated and decided he wasn't interested in messing around with Linux anymore. |
| 21:06.25 | sinuhe | findlay: that attitude seems direspectful to me. However, it really comes down to context, but yes, I tend to be more formal in such occasions. |
| 21:06.37 | findlay | I guess I'm a Quaker in that sense |
| 21:06.52 | dataw0lf | levi: link please. |
| 21:07.03 | mheath | so, question |
| 21:07.19 | mheath | As long as a Post Office can find a new address for me, they are legally responsible to forward correspondence to my new address, right? |
| 21:07.26 | levi | Oh, I guess he gets upset later after everyone tries to argue with him about how Linux really isn't frustrating to configure. |
| 21:07.26 | ^Migs^ | deep down, aren't we all kind of Quakerish? |
| 21:07.42 | findlay | ~quake ^Migs^ |
| 21:08.16 | sinuhe | I was married by a secular independent (oxymoron?) Quaker. |
| 21:08.54 | Jayce^ | levi, wasn't just that discussion, that was just one that I remembered offhand |
| 21:09.54 | goozbach | sjansen: I realized not long ago that I'll take a performance hit, to have that extra 60g of storage |
| 21:10.29 | levi | Well, regardless of those, I have a high opinion of him based on real interactions with him both in the classroom and out. |
| 21:11.27 | levi | Dave Heldenbrand at UVSC is also a remarkable guy. He teaches a class where the projects are done with Open-WRT routers. |
| 21:20.15 | levi | Anyway, my point is that 'teaching schools' can have excellent teachers that stay up-to-date on things. You're going to get a mixed bag at any school, though, and it makes a big difference how important the program you're looking at is to the school. |
| 21:26.34 | mheath | Bah, I keep seeing inappropriate content on Amazon.com |
| 21:26.39 | mheath | That is, the wrong titles for a product... |
| 21:26.43 | mheath | Wrong reviews for a product.. |
| 21:27.39 | sinuhe | I once bought a book that claimed to be leather on Amazon that ended up being mock leather. They had charged me the full leather price ($30) for a hand sized book. I found it from the publisher for $8. |
| 21:27.54 | mheath | sinuhe: No, I don't mean that |
| 21:27.57 | mheath | I don't mean false advertising |
| 21:28.01 | mheath | I men technical glitches |
| 21:28.06 | ^Migs^ | I like faux leather |
| 21:28.08 | sinuhe | Ah |
| 21:28.12 | mheath | Earlier, I saw an item categorized under "Binders" |
| 21:28.25 | mheath | The title described, I guess, some kind of thumbtacks or something |
| 21:28.26 | Tene | mheath: perhaps you should get a job at amazon and fix the problems. I hear they're hiring. |
| 21:28.35 | findlay | ~hire Tene |
| 21:28.36 | ibot | ACTION hires Tene along with jsmith as a McDonalds Floor Mopper, 3rd shift, at 2 kicks in the crotch/hour to start |
| 21:28.41 | mheath | And the item contained therein was toddlers computer educational software |
| 21:28.48 | mheath | Miscategorized, and mistitled |
| 21:28.58 | mheath | And I'm looking at an Orson Scott Card book now |
| 21:29.08 | mheath | \The reviews on that page are for a different OSC book |
| 21:29.45 | tristanbob | herlo: I see UTOSC is coming up - how can I be a volunteer? |
| 21:29.57 | tristanbob | (I don't want to pay $200) |
| 21:30.36 | mheath | But I'll have just started school at the time |
| 21:31.19 | ^Migs^ | what are you going to study in school? liberal arts? |
| 21:31.57 | tristanbob | do they offer conservative arts? |
| 21:32.22 | ^Migs^ | or fundamentalist arts |
| 21:32.59 | findlay | extreme arts |
| 21:33.11 | tristanbob | libertarian arts, communist arts |
| 21:37.09 | mheath | Uh, thats not good O>o |
| 21:37.19 | mheath | Processing Dependency: ½lÌJÊק«áé¿.}M2ºÂÎ6*ó±½mt·o}ZÌ>çaukÐÝûÛÕëB{sÈÑÍ |
| 21:37.38 | findlay | ~language mheath |
| 21:37.39 | ibot | ACTION grabs mheath by the ear and washes mheath's mouth out with soap |
| 21:38.03 | mheath | irssi didn't like that either =\ |
| 21:38.09 | mheath | took a /redraw to fix |
| 21:40.11 | Tene | sjansen: redbeard2 killed you? |
| 21:41.18 | mheath | Sigh. Time to run "yum update". I've been treading that. |
| 21:41.29 | mheath | This stupid server is configred as a desktop |
| 21:41.40 | fozzmoo | treading? |
| 21:41.53 | mheath | It took me forever to clear out all the X11 and gnome related crap |
| 21:41.58 | mheath | and now yum update is going to reinstall it all :( |
| 21:42.04 | mheath | But its necessary to get the system up to date |
| 21:42.17 | fozzmoo | What distro, mheath? |
| 21:42.25 | mheath | fozzmoo: Fedora |
| 21:42.30 | fozzmoo | 6? 7? |
| 21:42.33 | mheath | 6. |
| 21:42.39 | fozzmoo | Are you in a graphical environment? |
| 21:42.46 | mheath | LOL, No. |
| 21:42.53 | mheath | This is a remote server. A VPS. |
| 21:42.57 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. |
| 21:43.04 | fozzmoo | I was going to recommend 'pirut' |
| 21:43.25 | fozzmoo | But may I suggest you check out the yum group* commands. |
| 21:43.54 | mheath | fozzmoo: I've heard mention of that a bit, but am not sure how to use it properly |
| 21:44.15 | fozzmoo | Well, let's say you want to remove GNOME stuff... |
| 21:44.17 | herlo | tristanbob: how about $40 |
| 21:44.25 | fozzmoo | Do a 'yum grouplist' |
| 21:44.36 | mheath | Oh, cool! |
| 21:44.41 | mheath | I didn't know there was a grouplist |
| 21:44.56 | fozzmoo | And then 'yum groupremove "GNOME Desktop Environment"' |
| 21:45.00 | Tene | You've never read yum's man page? |
| 21:45.02 | herlo | tristanbob: volunteer list will be coming up soon. Probably next week |
| 21:45.10 | herlo | tristanbob: there aren't many volunteers... |
| 21:45.12 | mheath | fozzmoo: thats odd, nothing related to Gnome is installed. |
| 21:45.14 | fozzmoo | Tene: Heck, yum --help will do it. |
| 21:45.36 | mheath | MySQL Database, System Tools, Text-based Internet, DNS Name Server, Network Servers, Web Server, Windows File Server, and Mail Server is all thats installed |
| 21:45.37 | findlay | ~volunteer sjansen |
| 21:45.50 | Tene | mheath: perhaps you should read the output of yum to see why it's wanting to install those packages. |
| 21:45.54 | fozzmoo | Looks like a nice server (except for the MySQL ;-)) |
| 21:45.56 | mheath | Yet a yum update wants to install X11 and lots of other stuff |
| 21:46.51 | tristanbob | herlo: what is the volunteer price? I thought it was free? |
| 21:47.09 | mheath | oh, cool |
| 21:47.18 | herlo | tristanbob: it is |
| 21:47.22 | mheath | gnome-panel seems to have ended up on my system somehow, accidentally. |
| 21:47.33 | herlo | tristanbob: if you are a member of a Open Source User group its $40 |
| 21:47.34 | mheath | And its update dependency resolution is causing all those porblems |
| 21:48.04 | goozbach | mheath: what are you trying to install? |
| 21:48.12 | findlay | glad we got that resolved |
| 21:48.20 | goozbach | and have you enabled other repositories? |
| 21:48.23 | tristanbob | herlo: alrighty then :) |
| 21:48.24 | findlay | but you never know when you need gnome-panel |
| 21:48.30 | mheath | goozbach: Just trying to update, and having dependency resolution causing it to want to download like 400MB in updates including all of X11. |
| 21:49.04 | herlo | tristanbob: I'll announce it soon... |
| 21:51.14 | goozbach | mheath: run the command rpm -qa > /tmp/packages and email it to me |
| 21:51.44 | findlay | and email me your root pw |
| 21:52.01 | Tene | and email me $40 |
| 21:52.28 | findlay | and I'll take a side of cookies |
| 21:53.05 | tristanbob | can I have some of your self-respect? |
| 21:53.37 | tristanbob | seem to have left mine somewhere... |
| 21:54.36 | tristanbob | Oh yeah! I remember, I left it my wedding |
| 21:55.24 | herlo | tristanbob: don't let your wife hear that. |
| 21:56.24 | tristanbob | herlo: :) |
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| 22:03.19 | herlo | who's the pres of utaug? |
| 22:04.14 | herlo | anyone know? |
| 22:05.53 | Tene | You! |
| 22:06.38 | {phoenyx} | jsmith: you? |
| 22:07.09 | herlo | jsmith isn't its somebody named cbrown in #utaug who's the op. Still waiting for response |
| 22:07.17 | herlo | findlay: you're in there, who is it? |
| 22:09.05 | findlay | herlo: I don't know |
| 22:09.14 | findlay | I think it's Elliot |
| 22:09.21 | findlay | he hasn't been there for a whil |
| 22:09.22 | findlay | e |
| 22:09.32 | findlay | could be cbrown |
| 22:14.09 | herlo | findlay: I noticed it was really quiet in there |
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| 22:37.51 | sontek | goozbach: were you talking about set -x earlier, or actual keystrokes that do that? |
| 22:38.09 | sinuhe | sontek: He was looking for keystrokes |
| 22:41.59 | sinuhe | sontek: I believe the solution was META-Ctrl-x, which fills in the shell variables (though not a regular expression). |
| 22:45.24 | goozbach | meta-control-x and meta-control-e |
| 22:59.56 | mheath | So, WTF |
| 23:00.06 | mheath | I got a bunch of First Class stamps the other day |
| 23:00.24 | mheath | Try to mail something with one on it, and the postman leaves it in the box and writes "2 Cents" on it |
| 23:00.44 | mheath | They don't have a money value on them, they just say "First Class" |
| 23:01.10 | Supaplex | how ghay |
| 23:01.45 | mheath | Oh, it has a year. 2006. |
| 23:01.56 | mheath | WTF? |
| 23:02.07 | mheath | USPS stamp vending machine gave me old stamps? |
| 23:02.33 | Supaplex | jack my price up |
| 23:03.09 | mheath | I'm going to stick 20 two cent stamps on it |
| 23:03.11 | mheath | \This pisses me off |
| 23:03.20 | sinuhe | 1st class stamps in 2006 were 35 cents, not 37 (or was it 37 and now 39?). The first universal first class stamp only recently came out. |
| 23:03.42 | mheath | It just says "First Class" and "2006". |
| 23:04.07 | mheath | Heh |
| 23:04.08 | sinuhe | I've had to buy a whole slew of 2 cent stamps to suppliment my old 35s. |
| 23:04.22 | mheath | "In 1851 Congress wanted to make the mail service more affordable. So it reduced the cost of a first-class stamp from 5 cents to 3 cents. For the next 107 years, the price remained about the same." |
| 23:04.24 | sinuhe | s/35s/1st class 2005s/ |
| 23:04.28 | mheath | sinuhe: it was 37, it's 39 now |
| 23:05.37 | sinuhe | mheath: I think there was one point I had to update 35s with a two cent stamp, and then another when they hit 39. That's probably why I misremembered. |
| 23:05.40 | mheath | erm |
| 23:05.44 | mheath | they're 41 cents now. |
| 23:05.48 | sinuhe | They are? |
| 23:05.48 | mheath | Grrr. |
| 23:05.50 | mheath | apparently |
| 23:06.08 | sinuhe | Sigh. I guess I need to buy a whole slew of 2 cent stamps again. |
| 23:10.19 | mheath | grrr |
| 23:10.56 | Supaplex | rawr |
| 23:11.19 | beandog | zip |
| 23:11.50 | mheath | my leg is aching so bad...bah. |
| 23:11.52 | findlay | IM IN UR HAT MAYTEE! |
| 23:14.17 | sinuhe | hehe |
| 23:15.16 | findlay | what's the grub interpretation of /dev/sdc1? |
| 23:15.34 | sinuhe | 0,1? |
| 23:15.39 | findlay | I tried (sd?,?) for ? e {0-2} |
| 23:15.57 | beandog | just hit tab. |
| 23:16.01 | findlay | but get Error 23: Error while parsing number |
| 23:16.08 | beandog | grub+tab-completion=super strawberrie pies |
| 23:16.13 | findlay | yum! |
| 23:16.18 | sinuhe | If you're looking for a number output, cat /dev/sdc1 and add 0s. |
| 23:16.24 | findlay | ok |
| 23:16.33 | sinuhe | a.k.a 3, 1 would be 0301 |
| 23:16.51 | findlay | beandog: no tabs just Error 23: Error while parsing number :( |
| 23:16.54 | sinuhe | That's presuming your definition is for the root device. |
| 23:16.56 | beandog | I thought it would go down a number |
| 23:17.06 | beandog | so it would be hd2,0 |
| 23:17.12 | sinuhe | 0200 |
| 23:17.13 | findlay | wait, they're all hds |
| 23:17.22 | findlay | which one |
| 23:17.27 | sinuhe | Woah: not the first root definition, but the device. |
| 23:17.40 | findlay | I have 3 drives plugged in |
| 23:18.05 | sinuhe | The definition would start at 0,0 for hda1, and so on. |
| 23:18.22 | findlay | one internal IDE hdd, and two usb hdds |
| 23:18.24 | sinuhe | If you have cdrecord, I think there's a good explanation of that one there. |
| 23:21.21 | findlay | I think I've got the root part figured out, thanks |
| 23:21.33 | sinuhe | For the sake of clarity, the first explanation (0200 with cat) was for the kernel "root=/dev/sdc1" option. The reference to cdrecord was for root (hd0,0) numbers. |
| 23:22.24 | findlay | I tried to cat /dev/sdc1 but just got a bunch of garbage |
| 23:24.07 | sinuhe | I probably neglected to give you the correct option. I'd have to look it up and I don't have the time at hand. It's not relevant to your question, however, now that I see you were talking about the other option. |
| 23:25.06 | sinuhe | Put another way, never mind since you go tthe root device number you wanted. |
| 23:25.45 | findlay | what does this mean: /dev/sdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 23:26.09 | findlay | I don't care if it doesn't have BIOS correspondence, this drive is not for this computer anyway |
| 23:26.39 | sinuhe | It's not bootable? |
| 23:27.06 | findlay | what's bootable? |
| 23:27.23 | findlay | fdisk says /dev/sdc1 is bootable |
| 23:28.22 | sinuhe | I assume you are referring to a SCSI boot device that does not have a bios to tell something to be bootable. With a USB drive, would it search for the BIOS even though it doesn't need it? |
| 23:29.04 | sinuhe | s/boot device/card/ |
| 23:29.33 | findlay | I have a hard drive for another computer plugged into this one via USB and I want to install grub on it |
| 23:29.36 | sinuhe | It's the end of the day and I'm rambling. I know what I mean, but my fingers don't seem to. :-) |
| 23:29.36 | findlay | that's all |
| 23:30.01 | findlay | so I can drop it back into the other box |
| 23:30.50 | sinuhe | What is it that's giving you the BIOS message? |
| 23:31.15 | findlay | `grub-install hd2` says: 'Error 21: Selected disk does not exist' |
| 23:31.25 | findlay | sinuhe: grub-install /dev/sdc |
| 23:31.49 | sinuhe | grub-install would write the boot record, yes. :-) |
| 23:32.14 | findlay | I don't understand |
| 23:32.20 | sinuhe | So wouldn't it be better to check the device numbering for the specific system? I would imagine it would change if you're moving the drive. |
| 23:32.41 | findlay | I'm just trying to follow the instructions on the grub site and am getting problems I don't know how to fix :( |
| 23:32.45 | sinuhe | Or am I just smoking crack and need to go home and get some rest? |
| 23:33.11 | findlay | you're saying the (dynamic) drive numbers are hard-coded by grub? |
| 23:33.22 | sinuhe | No, by the system. |
| 23:33.34 | findlay | so I can't install grub by proxy at all? |
| 23:33.37 | sinuhe | Hence the comment to look at cdrecord's man page explanations. |
| 23:33.50 | sinuhe | You can install it to the boot sector of the drive, sure. |
| 23:34.09 | findlay | well, that's ostensibly what I'm trying to do :) |
| 23:34.19 | sinuhe | That doesn't mean it will be correct when combined with other drives, but it will only need an adjustment of menu.lst when you get there. |
| 23:34.29 | findlay | ok |
| 23:34.34 | findlay | that's easy to fix |
| 23:34.40 | sinuhe | Did that help your question? |
| 23:34.47 | findlay | a little |
| 23:34.56 | sinuhe | Good: only a little crack smoking today. |
| 23:37.56 | sinuhe | I learned all about the device numbering stuff from cdrecord when dealing with SCSI devices from my old server. Your USB I imagine uses some sort of SCSI emulation (hence the BIOS message). |
| 23:38.12 | findlay | so installing grub is supposed to put stuff in /boot/grub, right? |
| 23:38.26 | sinuhe | As for finding the root device for the kernel entry, let's not confuse things, and just use the regular root=/dev/sdfoo |
| 23:38.41 | sinuhe | Installing the package you mean? |
| 23:38.46 | findlay | yes |
| 23:38.50 | sinuhe | Right... |
| 23:38.56 | findlay | well, nothing's there |
| 23:39.21 | sinuhe | Did you install grub or grub2? |
| 23:39.39 | findlay | 0.97-20ubuntu6 |
| 23:39.50 | sinuhe | Oh, right. That's what I'm using. |
| 23:40.19 | findlay | looks like all the stuff went into /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc |
| 23:40.53 | sinuhe | Let me clarify: I'm using gNewSense *based* on ubuntu 6 dapper |
| 23:42.28 | sinuhe | Perhaps a missing depend, then? |
| 23:43.17 | findlay | yay, got it |
| 23:43.28 | sinuhe | ~yay findlay |
| 23:43.37 | sinuhe | Sigh |
| 23:43.37 | findlay | I don't know why they weren't there |
| 23:43.48 | findlay | so I just copied /boot/grub/ from the host system |
| 23:43.57 | sinuhe | Hmmm |
| 23:44.00 | findlay | (same version of ubuntu) |
| 23:44.08 | sinuhe | Hmmm |
| 23:44.25 | findlay | (grub and everything) |
| 23:44.49 | findlay | apt-get has problems on the usb drive because of some locale issue |
| 23:44.50 | sinuhe | apt-get install grub |
| 23:44.54 | sinuhe | Ah |
| 23:45.05 | findlay | I can feel that my problems with this are far from over |
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| 23:45.11 | sinuhe | Sounds like you should probably install it to the system you intend to use it on. |
| 23:45.22 | sinuhe | *Then* configure grub. |
| 23:45.24 | findlay | debootstrap isn't that amiable |
| 23:45.43 | findlay | sinuhe: I don't understand what you're trying to say |
| 23:45.51 | findlay | basically this is the *only* option for me |
| 23:46.08 | findlay | since the laptop this hdd came out of is too dumb to boot from the CD |
| 23:47.31 | findlay | well it's time to try, I guess |
| 23:49.22 | sinuhe | I thought you said you were working with a USB hard drive. I guess I *am* smoking crack. Time to pack it in. |
| 23:49.55 | sinuhe | Sigh. |
| 23:50.13 | findlay | well let me be more specific, for I'm afraid I was very confusing before :) |
| 23:51.03 | findlay | I wanted to install an OS on this drive. The only way I knew how was to debootstrap it and then chroot to fix things up |
| 23:51.13 | findlay | part of that fixing up was installing grub |
| 23:51.40 | findlay | since I can't install it on the machine itself because the BIOS won't boot a CD |
| 23:52.18 | findlay | and, yes, it is a USB hard drive, for now :) |
| 23:52.37 | mheath | findlay: not sure if you got an answer earlier (too lazy to read it all) but grub has all HD's as hd...no sd... |
| 23:52.55 | sinuhe | I'm confused between the system you're using and the system you intend to place the drive in (and the actual drive you are using) |
| 23:52.57 | mheath | and, uh, if you're not sure about a drive, pick a file on the drive |
| 23:53.01 | findlay | mheath: yeah, got that |
| 23:53.03 | mheath | Then you can use grubs find command |
| 23:53.30 | mheath | for example: "find /boot/bzImage" can return something like (hd0,1) |
| 23:53.31 | sinuhe | Right. The root (HD0,0) needs to be adjusted by the numbers. |
| 23:53.45 | sinuhe | The numbers act like *everything* is SCSI. |
| 23:53.46 | mheath | gah |
| 23:54.16 | mheath | it would be nice if I could freakin still even drive my car without bad pain. |
| 23:54.40 | findlay | laptop A is the target machine whose hard drive I put into a USB enclosure and whose BIOS won't boot from a CD. Desktop B is the computer where I currently have the hdd plugged into trying to get a sane system installed on it |
| 23:55.11 | sinuhe | Does the BIOS have an option to boot from USB? |
| 23:55.16 | findlay | nope |
| 23:55.18 | sinuhe | (on laptop A) |
| 23:56.16 | goozbach | mheath: you can't even drive a car without bad pain, and you're upset they kicked you out? |
| 23:56.34 | sinuhe | I think your chroot idea is workable for working on you HDD on Desktop B (though I'm trying to figure out the laptop HDD becoming USB) |
| 23:56.59 | mheath | goozbach: No, I'm upset I officially got upset for a BS psychological reason. |
| 23:56.59 | sinuhe | However, I'm not sure how workable things are going to be when you get back to laptop A. |
| 23:57.20 | mheath | I was in the process of being discharged for knee stuff before that even happened. I would have been discharged regardless |
| 23:57.29 | findlay | sinuhe: I put it into a laptop hard drive enclosure |
| 23:57.41 | goozbach | yeah, how bout you don't bother talking about it any more? |
| 23:57.49 | sinuhe | Yeah, I got that. I know what you mena, though I've never played with one before. |
| 23:57.56 | sinuhe | s/mena/mean/ |
| 23:57.58 | mheath | goozbach: huh? O.o |
| 23:58.06 | mheath | When have I ever complained here that I got kicked out? |
| 23:58.09 | sinuhe | So, does laptop A have a boot option for USB? |
| 23:58.14 | findlay | nope |
| 23:58.17 | findlay | no boots |
| 23:58.41 | mheath | I've complained that I was discharged for medical reasons, yet they made me sign a statement saying there was nothing medically wrong with me |
| 23:59.03 | sinuhe | Never mind. I follow you now: laptop HDD in a USB laptop HDD enclosure (as you said). |
| 23:59.13 | goozbach | yeah, so um... why don't we stick to the topic, usb hard drives... |
| 23:59.16 | mheath | goozbach: You're the one who brought up the military thing this time, anyway. All I did was make a casual comment about my knee hurting. |
| 23:59.55 | sinuhe | Make sure grub is properly installed to the laptop HDD (among other things), and then mess with the boot options when you get it there. |
| 23:59.59 | mheath | findlay: what distro are you hoping to run on this laptop? |
