| 00:20.57 | levi | Hmm, I always seem to jump into those PLUG threads at the wrong time. Looks like everyone went home and stopped emailing. |
| 00:25.35 | tensai | good. let it die. |
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| 00:36.08 | goozbach | didn't someone on the utah planet just do a minicom related thread? |
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| 00:45.41 | redbeard2 | hello, everybody! |
| 00:45.48 | Jayce^ | redbeard2.... wow she's learning quick and has a beard already? |
| 00:45.57 | redbeard2 | who has a beard? |
| 00:46.27 | Jayce^ | figured redbeard1 was joe so 2 must be his daughter :-p |
| 00:47.06 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: want an altoid? |
| 00:47.06 | Jayce^ | just had one, thanks.. |
| 00:47.07 | Jayce^ | mmm, dark chocolate + peppermint |
| 00:47.09 | Jayce^ | you coming tonight? |
| 00:47.16 | redbeard2 | can't |
| 00:47.21 | redbeard2 | have to babysit the wife and kid |
| 00:47.28 | Jayce^ | hah |
| 00:48.13 | redbeard2 | mostly the wife. the kid is fine. |
| 00:48.28 | redbeard2 | (she's sleeping, don't wake her up) |
| 00:48.49 | redbeard2 | earmuffs! |
| 00:48.58 | Jayce^ | JD.. |
| 00:49.43 | dataw0lf | mmm Old School |
| 00:50.12 | redbeard2 | dataw0lf: you seen it? |
| 00:50.46 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf doesn't watch that kind of movie... |
| 00:52.27 | redbeard2 | http://www.utahportraits.com/hospital/index.php |
| 00:53.00 | beandog | oh, babies. |
| 00:53.16 | redbeard2 | elise h is the important one |
| 00:53.18 | beandog | when I saw portraits + hospital, I started thinking of some service that would take pictures of your loved ones right before they died. |
| 00:53.32 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, you should put more pics on.. |
| 00:53.37 | Jayce^ | surprised no blog post yet.. |
| 00:54.02 | beandog | that's a sweet jogging suit. :) |
| 00:54.07 | redbeard2 | Jayce^, registered the domain a couple of weeks ago, just haven't had time to post yet |
| 00:54.28 | Jayce^ | hey, you've had a few days off work.. should be good to go now |
| 00:54.33 | dataw0lf | redbeard2: of course I've seen it |
| 00:55.46 | dataw0lf | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070214/ap_en_tv/people_stephen_colbert |
| 00:55.48 | dataw0lf | awesome |
| 00:56.01 | dataw0lf | "Announcing the new flavor Wednesday, Ben & Jerry's called it: "The sweet taste of liberty in your mouth."" |
| 00:56.23 | redbeard2 | stephen colbert is my hero |
| 00:56.29 | dataw0lf | mine too |
| 00:56.35 | dataw0lf | up there with jon stewart |
| 00:58.34 | dataw0lf | You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! But I've got oven mits. This is the Colbert Report. |
| 00:58.51 | dataw0lf | Anyone can *read* the news *to* you. What I plan to do is *feel* the news *at* you. |
| 00:59.32 | dataw0lf | Arianna Huffington: You know what, you say you want democracy. But all but 20% of Iraqis want us gone. So if you want democracy, why don't you listen to what the Iraqis are saying? |
| 00:59.38 | dataw0lf | Stephen Colbert: Hey, what if we pulled out of our own civil war, Arianna? We'd still have slaves! Why do you hate black people? Air tight logic! |
| 00:59.49 | dataw0lf | man he truly is great |
| 01:00.18 | redbeard2 | i'm so happy he doesn't allow his logic to be fouled by reason |
| 01:01.42 | redbeard2 | turns out he plays a mean guitar too, via proxy |
| 01:03.32 | redbeard2 | whoa. there's a victoria's secret bag in the cnn community fridge |
| 01:03.59 | redbeard2 | that network just got that much more interesting. |
| 01:04.48 | redbeard2 | the best way to watch it is still via the daily show tho. |
| 01:05.12 | dataw0lf | MSNBC and the Daily Show, that's it for me. |
| 01:05.41 | dataw0lf | I did FOX News to get a little mix of conservatism up in there, but, well, it turned into this neo conservative crap and I had to shut it off |
| 01:07.41 | dataw0lf | Equations are the devil's sentences! |
| 01:07.44 | dataw0lf | forgot about that one |
| 01:18.59 | levi | Heh. |
| 01:19.10 | levi | I need to tell my DVR to start recording that. |
| 02:37.13 | Supaplex | Jayce^: Hi :P |
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| 03:00.26 | tensai | redbeard2: congratulations! |
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| 03:48.53 | nick125_lappy | Anyone here have a MP3 player that uses MTP? |
| 03:55.37 | goozbach | gcc takes a LONG time to compile |
| 03:57.44 | Supaplex | compile->self; |
| 03:58.47 | goozbach | yeah something like that |
| 03:59.06 | goozbach | i've decided to do a Linux from Scratch install on my embedded system |
| 04:01.49 | ScytheBlade1 | yay, I have IPSEC up and running inbetween my desktop and my laptop |
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| 04:16.00 | Sargun | hey all |
| 04:16.03 | Sargun | What's up? |
| 04:17.47 | Sargun | Why is everyone dead in here? |
| 04:45.20 | Sargun | O.O |
| 04:47.51 | thesuperbigfrog | %s/dead/undead/g ;) |
| 04:48.56 | thesuperbigfrog | /me's undead horror lumbers slowly, following Sargun hungrily. |
| 04:50.01 | Sargun | BBIAF - Shower |
| 05:00.49 | Sargun | hi |
| 05:08.06 | harleypig | http://drupal.org/profile/interest/sex |
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| 05:34.24 | findlay | hello |
| 05:36.37 | Sargun | What's up? |
| 05:36.39 | tene | hi! |
| 05:36.59 | findlay | i!h |
| 05:37.06 | findlay | i!y |
| 05:42.02 | Sargun | What'd you guys do for Valentine's day? |
| 05:43.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Sat at home and contemplated my lonely, single life |
| 05:43.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Then got overmyself and ran some IPSEC between my laptop and desktop |
| 05:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Think there's a realtion there? |
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| 05:57.00 | findlay | who's Ventintes Day? |
| 05:57.20 | tene | itsafozz |
| 05:57.31 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 05:57.37 | findlay | ~valentines tene |
| 05:57.47 | tene | ~findlay valentines |
| 05:57.49 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps valentines. |
| 05:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:58.58 | findlay | ibot_: I *crunch* you |
| 06:00.37 | findlay | ~sargun tene |
| 06:00.38 | ibot | go away Tene |
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| 06:31.28 | elg | -chat |
| 06:31.28 | brac | yay wireless |
| 06:31.36 | elg | -chat about daylight savings |
| 06:31.37 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 06:31.59 | elg | daylight savings time is utterly despicable |
| 06:32.11 | elg | and daylight savings time is changing this year |
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| 07:24.12 | findlay | I'm going UTC |
| 07:24.25 | findlay | and I think everyone else should too |
| 07:24.49 | findlay | from now on if you try to contact me I'll assume all your dates are in UTC |
| 07:25.01 | findlay | the onus is on everyone else |
| 07:25.06 | findlay | there. I've said it |
| 07:26.53 | tene | Hey, Findlay, what time is it? |
| 07:27.05 | findlay | ~date |
| 07:27.07 | ibot | It is now 2007.02.15 7:27:07 GMT |
| 07:27.28 | tene | That's GMT, not UTC. DIFFERENT LETTERS MEAN ITS DIFFERENT. |
| 07:27.36 | findlay | nuh uh |
| 07:27.43 | tene | UH HUH |
| 07:27.47 | findlay | nuh uh |
| 07:28.24 | tene | UH HUH |
| 07:28.31 | findlay | whatever |
| 07:29.13 | findlay | somebody bash this. It's so funny. ha ha |
| 07:30.01 | findlay | (note that by specifically invoking bash increases the likiness of it making it fivefold) |
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| 14:58.46 | redbeard2 | ya'll |
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| 15:21.29 | goozbach | ~seen timriker |
| 15:21.43 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 6d 14h 4m 24s ago, saying: 'oh. net issues. I'm off anyway...'. |
| 15:22.02 | goozbach | ~seen Timriker |
| 15:22.08 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 6d 14h 4m 49s ago, saying: 'oh. net issues. I'm off anyway...'. |
| 15:22.33 | goozbach | ~seen TiMRiKer |
| 15:22.37 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 6d 14h 5m 18s ago, saying: 'oh. net issues. I'm off anyway...'. |
| 15:22.52 | goozbach | ~seen boredom |
| 15:22.54 | ibot | boredom <n=boredom@69-174-104-128.ashbva.adelphia.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 234d 23h 14m 48s ago, saying: 'i tried both'. |
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| 15:39.24 | elg | -chat |
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| 15:40.11 | elg | wb brac |
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| 15:40.16 | elg | wb brac |
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| 15:58.15 | tensai | elg: I wrote a perl script that can read a file and dump it to a channel |
| 15:58.23 | tensai | elg: I was feeding brac last night |
| 15:58.53 | tensai | I only got kicked for excessive flood once |
| 16:00.02 | elg | hehe |
| 16:00.08 | elg | if you did it as an irssi plugin it would handle the flow rate |
| 16:00.19 | elg | or, you could just call it from irssi with /exec |
| 16:00.26 | elg | you _do_ use irssi right? |
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| 16:03.16 | elg | -chat |
| 16:03.16 | brac | that sounds like it |
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| 16:11.38 | jsmith | -chat about the world |
| 16:11.38 | brac | the world with this "aarow glass", but it sounds like a router/switch/wireless combo. |
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| 16:19.12 | ^Migs^ | I have a lump in the right side of my stomach. It's been there for a couple weeks. I'm worried, are lumps bad? |
| 16:19.24 | ^Migs^ | I don't want to start freaking out or anything |
| 16:20.35 | goozbach | ^Migs^: go see a doctor |
| 16:20.48 | ^Migs^ | what if I don't believe in doctors? |
| 16:21.21 | goozbach | then it's your own damn fault when it turns out to be cancer any you die a painfull slow death |
| 16:21.28 | goozbach | s/any/and/ |
| 16:22.04 | goozbach | -chat about doctors cancer |
| 16:22.04 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 16:22.38 | goozbach | either that, or cut the lump out of your own gut. |
| 16:23.25 | goozbach | I'll see if I can't get my hands on a couple steril scalpels |
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| 16:33.32 | ^Migs^ | omg do you think it's cancer? |
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| 16:39.41 | ^Migs^ | the new guy is turning my dynamic site into a static site, wtf |
| 16:45.25 | QBFreak | anyone know if a 64 bit server can run a nromal 32 bit OS? |
| 16:45.25 | goozbach | ^Migs^: I don't think it's cancer |
| 16:45.25 | QBFreak | somebody ordered the wrong hardware and is curious if the OS they have will run on it |
| 16:45.33 | goozbach | but after losing my grandfather to cancer, and NEARLY losing my brother to the same thing, lump == very scary |
| 16:46.08 | ^Migs^ | <:( |
| 16:46.21 | goozbach | QBFreak: I'd say usually |
| 16:46.22 | ^Migs^ | you're not very good at keeping me from freaking out |
| 16:46.40 | goozbach | go see a doctor |
| 16:46.55 | goozbach | doctor == less of a freak out |
| 16:47.11 | emcnabb | ~lart Utah's government |
| 16:47.21 | QBFreak | fiiiire |
| 16:47.29 | goozbach | ^Migs^: how old are you? and do you have insurance? |
| 16:47.39 | emcnabb | why do I need to snail mail my signature in if I e-file online? |
| 16:47.53 | emcnabb | (taxes) |
| 16:48.07 | emcnabb | The Feds and North Carolina don't care... |
| 16:48.10 | ^Migs^ | I'm 27, and yes I have insurance out the wazoo |
| 16:48.42 | QBFreak | emcnabb: you in NC? |
| 16:48.42 | ^Migs^ | at first I think the lump was just fat and I was gaining weight |
| 16:48.49 | emcnabb | QBFreak: yeah |
| 16:48.54 | QBFreak | emcnabb: where abouts? |
| 16:48.58 | emcnabb | Raleigh |
| 16:49.07 | QBFreak | cool, I'm just outside of Charlotte |
| 16:49.14 | emcnabb | cool |
| 16:49.30 | emcnabb | I've driven through Charlotte many times :-) |
| 16:49.32 | ^Migs^ | but now it's feeling lumpier each day |
| 16:49.40 | ^Migs^ | not bigger, but just more like it's a lump |
| 16:51.24 | ^Migs^ | I hate how they only have 2% and whole milk in the kitchen here |
| 16:53.04 | Jayce^ | 2 or whole |
| 16:53.07 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: I'd go to the doctor |
| 16:53.25 | ^Migs^ | does a witch doctor count? |
| 16:53.29 | emcnabb | I used to be a die hard 2%er, but now I've adjusted to 1% |
| 16:53.43 | emcnabb | at first I hated it |
| 16:53.45 | ^Migs^ | I ONLY drink skim |
| 16:53.50 | emcnabb | yuck! |
| 16:53.56 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I used to hate 1%, but now I hate 2% |
| 16:54.00 | ^Migs^ | I could stomach 1% I guess |
| 16:54.03 | ^Migs^ | NOT yuck, btw |
| 16:54.16 | jsmith | I'd rather drink water than 1% |
| 16:54.25 | ^Migs^ | I'd rather drink vomit than 2% |
| 16:54.33 | neybar | anything under 2% is not milk... |
| 16:54.40 | jsmith | No wonder you have cancer |
| 16:54.49 | ^Migs^ | I have cancer!? |
| 16:55.26 | Jayce^ | neybar, agreed |
| 16:55.40 | Jayce^ | I can handle 1, when it's not my choice to get it |
| 16:55.49 | Jayce^ | but prefer something real :) |
| 16:56.00 | neybar | yup |
| 16:56.38 | neybar | did anyone else catch that SCO's PR director just went to Omniture? |
| 16:57.30 | neybar | looks like Omniture is planning on going tits up... :) |
| 17:00.11 | emcnabb | what ever happened to Bradipo? |
| 17:00.22 | emcnabb | he used to always be on, back in the day |
| 17:05.00 | ^Migs^ | http://www.gamespot.com/news/6165595.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=multimodule&tag=multimodule |
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| 17:06.43 | goozbach | DEAD I TELL YOU!!! |
| 17:06.46 | brac | DEAD I TELL gnome which programs I want to write an over-glorified udev script |
| 17:06.54 | goozbach | deeeead! |
| 17:07.11 | goozbach | brac: shutup |
| 17:07.17 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:07.57 | jsmith | -chat about I want |
| 17:07.57 | brac | I want wget to ignore robots.txt? |
| 17:22.28 | dataw0lf | -erobots=off |
| 17:22.37 | dataw0lf | aw jeez, I just answered a bot |
| 17:23.11 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Gotcha! |
| 17:23.21 | jsmith | -chat about I just |
| 17:23.21 | brac | I just got back from who knows how long does that mean nascar is still at 2000 and it may be separate ttl values for the money (if any) */ |
| 17:29.13 | maquis | brac: that was quite... coherent |
| 17:30.31 | jsmith | -chat about was quite |
| 17:30.31 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 17:34.28 | maquis | -chat about word pair |
| 17:34.29 | brac | word pair it's seen in the first day of the |
| 17:34.38 | maquis | -chat about riff hip |
| 17:34.39 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 17:38.47 | jsmith | -chat about the bot |
| 17:38.47 | brac | the bot now. too many typos lately |
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| 17:47.27 | *** topic/#utah is The channel for OSS discussion in Utah | http://www.plug.org/node/28 |
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| 17:51.21 | harleypig | -chat about nonsensical verse |
| 17:51.21 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 17:51.29 | harleypig | apropos |
| 17:51.38 | harleypig | -chat about apropos singularity |
| 17:51.38 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 17:51.41 | harleypig | meh |
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| 18:03.54 | ^Migs^ | I'd forgotten how much i used to love looking at the CG art on renderosity.com and cgtalk.com |
| 18:04.21 | ^Migs^ | wow: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/full.php?image_id=907196 |
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| 18:17.19 | tensai | anybody know of a good bulletin board system written in ASP? |
| 18:18.43 | maquis | tensai: anybody know of a good .* written in ASP? |
| 18:19.11 | tensai | maquis: dot star? what's a dot star? |
| 18:19.32 | maquis | tensai: anything |
| 18:19.49 | tensai | maquis: I'm just being a wise guy |
| 18:20.26 | maquis | tensai: :P |
| 18:23.13 | dataw0lf | I HATE YOU AND I HATE THE BANDS YOU LIKE!! |
| 18:23.29 | maquis | dataw0lf: glad to hear that the feeling's mutual |
| 18:23.51 | dataw0lf | just rewatching RvB's real life versus the internet video, I lubs it |
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| 18:48.07 | harleypig | I think I'm playing too much CS:S lately. |
| 18:49.29 | goozbach | harleypig: don't get a all counterSTRUCK on us |
| 18:49.34 | harleypig | One of my boys woke me up this morning to tell me something. I don't remember what. My response was "So, grab your gun and go get him!" I remember that clearly. And the look on his face, I remember that as well. Then I fell back asleep almost immediately. |
| 18:49.40 | harleypig | ~lart goozbach |
| 18:50.34 | harleypig | heh |
| 18:50.45 | harleypig | Go, go, go! |
| 18:52.36 | harleypig | They'd all get jammed up. |
| 18:53.10 | goozbach | take them to the car one at a time then |
| 18:53.11 | goozbach | geez |
| 18:53.20 | vontrapp | yay! plf is back |
| 18:53.34 | goozbach | it might take more time, but you'll be able to avoid them getting killed |
| 18:53.39 | vontrapp | ~google medibuntu |
| 18:59.49 | goozbach | google broken? |
| 19:02.29 | vontrapp | would seem so |
| 19:02.30 | vontrapp | ~unbreak google |
| 19:08.09 | tensai | so how about a good bulletin board in any language. does such a beast exist? |
| 19:08.31 | levi | usenet ;) |
| 19:09.03 | tensai | they want it web based. that's the cool thing to do nowadays |
| 19:10.08 | jsmith | tensai: I know a lot of people use PHPBB, but it seems to have a pretty spotty record as far as security goes |
| 19:10.30 | tensai | jsmith: yeah, that's my assessment of it |
| 19:10.57 | findlay | hello |
| 19:11.06 | tensai | jsmith: it might work for me if I can use HTTP auth with it since this will be a strictly private site |
| 19:11.50 | jsmith | Right, but it still doesn't hurt |
| 19:12.01 | dataw0lf | tensai: vBulletin is generally considered one of the better forums |
| 19:12.03 | dataw0lf | I like it |
| 19:12.40 | tensai | dataw0lf: anything in particular you like about it? |
| 19:12.42 | dataw0lf | you have to purchase a license, though |
| 19:13.10 | dataw0lf | decent code, nice useability, numerous add-ons available |
| 19:13.24 | dataw0lf | scales pretty well. |
| 19:14.19 | dataw0lf | I was the sys admin for ubuntuforums.org for the first 9 months, user growth was exponential, and vbulletin handled it pretty well |
| 19:14.24 | dataw0lf | not too many security problems, either |
| 19:15.01 | tensai | this'll be a small private deployment, so usability and security are the big demands |
| 19:17.20 | dataw0lf | I'd go with vBulletin |
| 19:33.49 | tensai | dataw0lf: start to finish how long to set up vbulletin and make it ready for general use? |
| 19:37.08 | findlay | how's this for your windows error of the day: "The mapped drive could not be created." reason? "A device attached to the system is not functioning." |
| 19:37.26 | findlay | I guess things like that only make sense to MSCE's |
| 19:38.04 | dataw0lf | tensai: I dunno, couple hours to get everything locked in with whatever template you want to use |
| 19:51.11 | findlay | I had to deal with windows today. --> I am now in a foul mood |
| 19:51.21 | findlay | ~curse windows |
| 19:51.27 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, windows ! |
| 19:56.29 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (n=fozz@166.70.238.250) |
| 20:01.06 | findlay | ~curse OSX too |
| 20:01.08 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, OSX too ! |
| 20:08.40 | rsimpkins | Can you curse windows with itseft? |
| 20:09.12 | findlay | seems befitting, somehow |
| 20:09.15 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Sure... |
| 20:11.11 | rsimpkins | brings this to mind: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9810/06/errormess.idg/ |
| 20:11.12 | brac | [CNN - 'Stupid' computer error messages leave users befuddled - October |
| 20:11.12 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.42 | rsimpkins | nod to Viewpoint DataLabs for making it into the article. ;) |
| 20:13.35 | findlay | "" |
| 20:13.36 | findlay | " An Internet error occurred." |
| 20:13.43 | findlay | hehe |
| 20:18.52 | findlay | does this command make sense to anyone: (command --option 1>/dev/null) 2>&1 | grep error |
| 20:19.27 | rsimpkins | hehe |
| 20:27.31 | findlay | s/flaim/flame |
| 20:32.00 | Jayce^ | amateur |
| 20:32.40 | tene | findlay: what's confusing about it? |
| 20:33.03 | QBFreak | the fact that they're looking for output when none is given |
| 20:33.19 | tene | findlay: it's grepping stderr and discarding stdout |
| 20:33.23 | QBFreak | stdout goes to null, strerror goes to stdout, nothing comes out |
| 20:33.37 | QBFreak | at least thats how that command would work in windows |
| 20:34.18 | tene | oh? why? |
| 20:34.21 | tene | that's weird. |
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| 20:35.15 | rsimpkins | it's a common newb mistake. |
| 20:35.28 | findlay | but why the parenthesis? |
| 20:35.39 | QBFreak | well, even though you send strerr to stdout, the stdout is all going to null |
| 20:36.13 | QBFreak | unless the parens negate that, I dunnos |
| 20:36.16 | tene | Oh, okay. |
| 20:36.28 | tene | No, in sh, order matters. |
| 20:36.44 | QBFreak | ah |
| 20:36.58 | QBFreak | see, windows doesn't care about order or case :) |
| 20:38.00 | rsimpkins | perl -e 'print STDOUT "hi\n"; print STDERR "error\n";' 2>&1 1>/dev/null or perl -e 'print STDOUT "hi\n"; print STDERR "error\n";' 1>/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 20:38.22 | findlay | will that install a virus on my computer? |
| 20:38.37 | QBFreak | yeah, but you can fix it with rm -rf / |
| 20:38.43 | findlay | ah |
| 20:40.52 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 20:40.59 | QBFreak | ack! |
| 20:41.11 | QBFreak | not evne a windows user deserves that |
| 20:42.25 | findlay | Internet Errors occur with IE |
| 20:44.22 | QBFreak | and now they have IE7, which seems to break all sorts of stuff |
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| 20:44.38 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
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| 20:45.26 | goozbach | ohh naked! |
| 20:45.40 | Keighvin | Uh, sorry about that. |
| 20:48.26 | Keighvin | me coughs nervously. |
| 20:48.40 | Keighvin | s/me/\/me/ |
| 20:52.50 | Jayce^ | just the one... |
| 20:54.12 | findlay | sorry, I was too busy sabotaging live databases |
| 20:54.30 | findlay | quite fun, actually |
| 20:54.44 | goozbach | wow! three gatorades already today |
| 20:58.01 | elg | heh "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use XML." Now they have two problems." |
| 20:58.07 | harleypig | err ... you didn't get *my* handle either. |
| 20:58.31 | Supaplex | harleypig: but you were at plug, right? |
| 20:58.41 | harleypig | Supaplex: I was being ... perverse. |
| 20:58.57 | Supaplex | findlay: oh yea. how's the book? :) |
| 20:59.09 | harleypig | Yes, I was at PLUG> |
| 20:59.12 | findlay | haven't looked into it yet |
| 20:59.12 | harleypig | s/>/./ |
| 20:59.59 | findlay | I'm in the mood for Lalo |
| 21:00.12 | findlay | Symphony Espagnole |
| 21:00.48 | findlay | s/Symphony/Symphonie/ |
| 21:01.01 | findlay | with Issac Stern |
| 21:02.14 | Jayce^ | Supaplex, findlay was the other person |
| 21:02.35 | Supaplex | Jayce^: ok. |
| 21:03.06 | findlay | with ameteur flamebait skills |
| 21:05.07 | goozbach | pineapple |
| 21:05.32 | findlay | ~blame goozbach's pineapple |
| 21:05.41 | ibot | ACTION blames goozbach's pineapple (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 21:07.56 | goozbach | how do you all have time to post so much on PLUG |
| 21:08.01 | goozbach | don't you people work? |
| 21:10.35 | Supaplex | work? what's that? |
| 21:17.54 | findlay | ~work Supaplex |
| 21:17.57 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of Supaplex to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so Supaplex can play bzflag |
| 21:18.12 | goozbach | ~work goozbach |
| 21:18.13 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of goozbach to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so goozbach can play bzflag |
| 21:18.19 | goozbach | cool! |
| 21:19.22 | elg | -chat about java and |
| 21:19.23 | brac | java and runs on JRE 1.4 or |
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| 21:21.49 | Supaplex | bzflag.. hummMMMmmmm sounds like a great idea. |
| 21:22.06 | elg | -lart vont |
| 21:22.17 | elg | where's my lartbait when I need him? |
| 21:22.20 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 21:22.37 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 21:22.50 | elg | -chat about emcnabb is |
| 21:22.50 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 21:22.54 | elg | emcnabb is a hippie |
| 21:23.00 | elg | -chat about emcnabb is |
| 21:23.00 | brac | emcnabb is a realm in which it is incredible, impossible, that it would provide a switch at all. Also keep in mind that we have seen, very anxious to have the Qwest DSL modem that will do just what I was |
| 21:23.37 | goozbach | wow, that's just about unumese |
| 21:23.53 | elg | unumese? |
| 21:24.25 | goozbach | unum, who sometimes floats around here, has a serious (typing to be comprenended) problem |
| 21:24.40 | maquis | goozbach: look who's talking |
| 21:24.53 | goozbach | maquis: It's contagious |
| 21:24.57 | maquis | -chat goozbach is |
| 21:24.58 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 21:25.09 | maquis | -chat about goozbach is |
| 21:25.09 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 21:25.21 | goozbach | I didn't have this when I was starting IRC back in the day |
| 21:25.29 | goozbach | unumese is pretty serious |
| 21:27.58 | elg | -chat about it is |
| 21:27.59 | brac | it is not really understand the people running |
| 21:28.06 | elg | -chat about my dear |
| 21:28.06 | brac | my dear Watson, there is a bitter pill. |
| 21:28.34 | elg | -chat about is elementary |
| 21:28.35 | brac | okies! |
| 21:28.35 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 21:32.37 | emcnabb | -getbacktowork elg |
| 21:32.49 | emcnabb | -stopplayingonirc elg |
| 21:35.10 | Jayce^ | I love explaining Perl basics to long time Java folks.... |
| 21:35.30 | Jayce^ | guy wanting to get a hash, when an array is passed to him.. (name value list) |
| 21:35.39 | Jayce^ | %foo = @_; and it'll form... it's like voltron dude |
| 21:35.53 | Jayce^ | the guy was amazed :) |
| 21:36.09 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap Jayce^ |
| 21:36.11 | ibot | ACTION beats Jayce^ upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:36.13 | goozbach | *creak* *slip* *crash* *humm* |
| 21:36.26 | goozbach | *beep* *slide* |
| 21:39.37 | Jayce^ | goozbach, slip? crash? |
| 21:39.44 | Jayce^ | is that the autobot running on ethanol? |
| 21:39.47 | Keighvin | Jayce^: Just tell him you're essentially casting the memory contents instead of having to translate the class construct around it. |
| 21:40.27 | goozbach | *chuga chugga* *BANG* |
| 21:40.38 | goozbach | and it just backfired |
| 21:40.44 | goozbach | it's an old-model autobot |
| 21:46.41 | findlay | I guess there are people out there that don't understand that other people's software use is principle-based |
| 21:46.44 | tensai | wait, where did all my browser windows go? |
| 21:46.54 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 21:47.08 | findlay | and, yes, I can afford to stay with my principles |
| 21:47.09 | tensai | elg: sherlock finished |
| 21:47.13 | elg | hooray |
| 21:47.19 | findlay | no matter how alluring OSX is |
| 21:47.21 | jsmith | elg: Time for Wuthering Heights? |
| 21:47.33 | elg | don't want to confuse the poor bot |
| 21:47.40 | elg | let's see how sherlock plug works first |
| 21:47.56 | jsmith | elg: I'm worried that the line breaks are gonna make it less than ideal. |
| 21:48.02 | elg | me too |
| 21:48.23 | jsmith | garbage in, garbage out :-( |
| 21:48.37 | elg | if he gets too incomprehensible I can always wipe his memory and figure out how to train him externally |
| 21:48.39 | tensai | I created paragraphs when I was training last night, but it was quite intensive |
| 21:48.42 | elg | maybe by giving him a url |
| 21:50.01 | jsmith | -eat http://some.other.url/ |
| 21:50.04 | ^Migs^ | http://wfrv.com/topstories/topstories_story_046114916.html |
| 21:50.13 | brac | [wfrv.com - Utah Mall Shooting Caught On Video] |
| 21:50.34 | tensai | elg: brac is being awful slow |
| 21:50.39 | elg | yeah. wonder why |
| 21:50.41 | tensai | are we killing him? |
| 21:50.46 | elg | i can't imagine |
| 21:50.51 | elg | falcon is probably under load |
| 21:51.04 | elg | -lart jsmi |
| 21:51.15 | tensai | you probably need to rewrite brac in Java. that would solve all your problems |
| 21:52.44 | goozbach | bah re-write im in BF |
| 21:53.28 | elg | i almost rewrote him in ruby |
| 21:53.35 | elg | i got basic irc functionality working |
| 21:53.52 | elg | but then I came over the top of that ridge and saw all the other housekeeping an irc bot has to do |
| 21:53.59 | elg | and decided I'd stick with rbot after all |
| 21:54.00 | goozbach | what's he writtne in now |
| 21:54.03 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:54.07 | goozbach | bah |
| 21:54.08 | elg | but basic irc communications is not hard |
| 21:54.09 | Jayce^ | thought you were using a ruby bot elg.. |
| 21:54.11 | elg | he's a ruby bot |
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| 21:54.23 | elg | rbot |
| 21:54.25 | elg | -rbot? |
| 21:54.25 | brac | That's me! :-)) |
| 21:54.37 | Jayce^ | "ruby" speed, on fugal hardware... no wonder he's slow :-p |
| 21:54.41 | elg | but I dind't really like the plugin structure |
| 21:54.47 | maquis | lol |
| 21:54.50 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
| 21:55.01 | Jayce^ | mm, earl grey |
| 21:55.04 | elg | as if an irc bot is at all speed intensive |
| 21:55.19 | elg | it's whatever else is bogging down my hardware |
| 21:55.22 | maquis | "Each time you purchase entree minimum of $5, we will stamp your card for proof of purchase of $7 minimum per visit. After 9 stamps, you entitled to a FREE ENTREE of your choice." |
| 21:55.28 | elg | probably some java app taking all the ram ;-) |
| 21:55.33 | brac | probably some java app taking all the good fortune was |
| 21:55.40 | elg | that too brac |
| 21:55.50 | maquis | so, to get a stamp, do i have to spend $5 or $7? |
| 21:56.01 | elg | $6 |
| 21:56.02 | findlay | ibot: what do you think? |
| 21:56.12 | ibot | Here's 30 cents. Go ask someone who cares. |
| 21:56.12 | Jayce^ | wtf!! mheath just posted to plug?? |
| 21:56.30 | findlay | looks like its only 30c maquis |
| 21:56.30 | elg | is it the same mheath? |
| 21:56.40 | elg | maybe he has email at boot or wherever he is now |
| 21:56.41 | elg | but not irc |
| 21:56.41 | maquis | Jayce^: is he home? |
| 21:56.50 | elg | that would be nice |
| 21:56.53 | Jayce^ | can't be... |
| 21:56.58 | Jayce^ | mike heath |
| 21:57.06 | levi | He's graduated from boot. |
| 21:57.18 | levi | So he's moving on to some other form of training/education now. |
| 21:57.40 | levi | He was on here briefly a few days ago. |
| 21:57.50 | levi | From some cheezy IRC applet. |
| 21:58.41 | findlay | heh |
| 21:59.15 | goozbach | -chat about pinapple goozbach |
| 21:59.15 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 21:59.21 | goozbach | -chat about pineapple goozbach |
| 21:59.21 | brac | I can't riff on that word pair. Hip? |
| 22:08.42 | tene | -chat about on the |
| 22:08.43 | brac | on the moor so as close to me |
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| 22:15.37 | rsimpkins | Omniture got to close the NASDAQ today: http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/200702/market_Close_021507.stm |
| 22:15.38 | brac | [Omniture, Inc. [OMTR]- 02/15/2007] |
| 22:15.39 | brac | Omniture got to close it. |
| 22:16.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Thank you Levi. |
| 22:16.20 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: For...? |
| 22:16.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Telling the honest truth about PHP on the language thread. |
| 22:17.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I hate it when people try to defend PHP as a well-designed language just because they like it. |
| 22:18.28 | levi | PHP is the result of a quirk of history, really. |
| 22:18.48 | ^Migs^ | PHP is awesome |
| 22:19.00 | ^Migs^ | revolutionary, even |
| 22:19.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, just like that one site that was supposed to replace MySpace. |
| 22:19.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Whose name I can't remember because nobody uses it. It was a REVOLUTION!!!! |
| 22:21.03 | levi | PHP was a pretty good tool for writing templated web pages back in the day. It then mutated and became cancerous, and now it's a huge malignant tumor on the corpus of programming languages. |
| 22:21.15 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't say that. |
| 22:21.21 | dataw0lf | It's poorly designed, true. |
| 22:21.29 | dataw0lf | And continually heads in the wrong direction |
| 22:21.43 | dataw0lf | but if anything is a malignant tumor on the corpus of programming languages, it's Java. |
| 22:21.44 | ^Migs^ | PHP is basically the new BASIC. Great for teaching newcomers how to program and how to engage in proper coding procedures. |
| 22:21.56 | dataw0lf | PHP is terrible for teaching newcomers. |
| 22:22.00 | ^Migs^ | Java is awesome too |
| 22:22.07 | dataw0lf | You don't use a crap language to teach beginners. |
| 22:22.12 | ^Migs^ | I'm never going to use anything but Java from now on |
| 22:22.16 | levi | Teaching PHP to newcomers is what gives rise to the people who defend PHP on the PLUG list. |
| 22:22.19 | dataw0lf | especially one that encourages bad programming |
| 22:22.42 | dataw0lf | I mean, you're going to hand a language to newcomers that doesn't even have a internal function naming convention? |
| 22:22.42 | tensai | down with teaching! up with elitism! |
| 22:22.42 | levi | "I don't know any other languages, so I use PHP for everything!" |
| 22:23.04 | levi | tensai: There are plenty of good languages for teaching. PHP is not one of them. |
| 22:23.22 | dataw0lf | levi: Truer words were never spoken. |
| 22:23.42 | rsimpkins | It depends. |
| 22:24.10 | rsimpkins | If your goal is to be a 'webmaster' for your local 25 person company, PHP is great to learn. |
| 22:24.28 | rsimpkins | If your goal is to be a real software engineer, then hopefully you have the brains already to just move on. |
| 22:24.29 | levi | Well, tell me something that PHP is a good vehicle for teaching. |
| 22:24.31 | maquis | levi: there are plenty of great languages for teaching... scheme is also not one of them... |
| 22:24.32 | dataw0lf | as a first language? |
| 22:24.37 | jsmith | PHP is easy for beginners to learn, but it's an easy language to be sloppy in. |
| 22:24.51 | dataw0lf | jsmith: I would venture to say that it encourages sloppiness |
| 22:24.56 | dataw0lf | Using classes as namespaces |
| 22:24.57 | dataw0lf | etc. |
| 22:24.58 | levi | maquis: Scheme is indeed a good language for teaching computer science. |
| 22:24.58 | tensai | jsmith: kind of like html |
| 22:25.05 | jsmith | tensai: Exactly! |
| 22:25.26 | rsimpkins | If your goal in life is to be a sloppy programmer, then you should be running to PHP. ;) |
| 22:25.40 | rsimpkins | Also, if you like injection attacks - a lot - get PHP all over the place. |
| 22:25.44 | levi | HTML is a well-specified markup language. There is no comparison with PHP. |
| 22:26.08 | dataw0lf | there is nothing inherent in PHP that really encourages injection attacks anymore. |
| 22:26.20 | dataw0lf | it's just the product of people learning PHP as a first language |
| 22:26.46 | levi | Well, perhaps it's a product of people learning to program by writing naive web apps. |
| 22:27.05 | dataw0lf | right, which is property owned by PHP |
| 22:27.10 | dataw0lf | Naive Web App (tm) |
| 22:27.45 | levi | Any beginning programmer is going to write naive programs. It's best to not put them in a position where everyone in the world can poke at them. |
| 22:27.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone should write a framework called that, DW. |
| 22:27.56 | Lone_Wanderer | PHP:NWA |
| 22:28.01 | elg | findlay: what's the difference between an acciaccatura and an appogiatura? |
| 22:28.30 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Yea, and it'll all be in one huge file with navigation relying completely on GET values |
| 22:28.50 | dataw0lf | and a heredoc statement repeated throughout that is the 'template' |
| 22:29.00 | dataw0lf | IT'LL BE JAWESOME! |
| 22:29.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh. My. Goodness. I've seen sites like that. |
| 22:29.25 | dataw0lf | WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN CONTENT / LOGIC SEPARATION! |
| 22:30.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay now I need to find something official that says not to use "his or her". |
| 22:31.07 | atoponce | ok. question: would you call changing the default port on your ssh server "securing ssh"? |
| 22:31.07 | levi | Hmm, too bad I have to go home to watch my daughter tonight, or I could go to the UUG meeting on Ruby. |
| 22:31.09 | levi | atoponce: I would call it 'changing the port on my ssh server'. |
| 22:31.33 | levi | Perhaps it could be done as part of securing the ssh service on the machine. |
| 22:31.34 | brac | Perhaps it could be |
| 22:31.39 | atoponce | levi: why wouldn't you think of it as security? after all, you're greatly reducing the number of attacks on the box |
| 22:31.41 | levi | Indeed, brac. |
| 22:31.43 | Lone_Wanderer | atoponce: Only if you'd consider moving the door on your house "securing your home". |
| 22:31.49 | atoponce | greatly being 99% or better |
| 22:32.11 | elg | levi: take your daughter. vontrapp won't mind |
| 22:32.24 | atoponce | Lone_Wanderer: but with ssh attacks, they're manned by scripts, not humans, so to the script, the ssh box doesn't exist, although that is a great analogy |
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| 22:32.47 | levi | atoponce: I'm not saying it wouldn't add security, it's just that I don't think it is equivalent to 'securing ssh', since there are probably other good things to do as well. |
| 22:33.28 | levi | elg: That would mean driving from Orem to Sandy and back to Provo. I'll pass on that. |
| 22:33.30 | atoponce | levi: sure. there are a number of other steps to take to secure it |
| 22:34.15 | dataw0lf | atoponce: usually, a service scan precedes a ssh brute force attack |
| 22:34.30 | dataw0lf | so no matter where you put it, it's going to be identified as an ssh server |
| 22:34.34 | levi | atoponce: OK, call it "part of a complete method for securing ssh", a la our breakfast cereal commercials. |
| 22:34.46 | dataw0lf | port knocking, that helps secure ssh. |
| 22:35.21 | atoponce | hmmm |
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| 22:35.52 | goozbach | fozzmoo, now THATS securing SSH |
| 22:36.04 | fozzmoo | WT? |
| 22:36.28 | goozbach | just being goozbach |
| 22:36.30 | goozbach | just beeing |
| 22:36.34 | goozbach | bah |
| 22:36.38 | fozzmoo | bah. |
| 22:38.22 | goozbach | berg! |
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| 22:44.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I should never have started on the his/her thing. Now I have a headache. |
| 22:45.32 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: take a powder and relax |
| 22:45.45 | Lone_Wanderer | what's a powder? |
| 22:46.58 | dataw0lf | you should take a liquid and relax |
| 22:48.39 | dataw0lf | shhhhh, night-night time |
| 22:48.48 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Powder |
| 22:49.25 | tensai | I am so sick of this language thread |
| 22:50.22 | Lone_Wanderer | tensai: are you using gmail? |
| 22:50.34 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: no, evolution |
| 22:51.10 | Lone_Wanderer | It allows you to mute a thread. |
| 22:51.10 | maquis | tensai: is that still going? |
| 22:51.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll try to help my dropping fewer PHP flame-attracting bombs. |
| 22:51.56 | goozbach | maquis: it's been going since monday |
| 22:52.06 | maquis | goozbach: yeah... i saw it a few days ago |
| 22:52.14 | maquis | i just don't check that email address all that often |
| 22:53.13 | findlay | ~dict appoggiatura |
| 22:53.36 | findlay | ~dict acciaccatura |
| 22:56.21 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.23 | ^Migs^ | oops |
| 22:56.37 | levi | A nice deconstruction of "Ice, Ice, Baby": http://www.thudfactor.com/wordpress/2007/02/15/too-cold-too-cold/ |
| 22:56.59 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: You're just asking for it, aren't you? :) |
| 22:57.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Worst. Song. Ever. |
| 22:57.17 | fozzmoo | I liked it better when it was done by Queen. |
| 22:57.35 | levi | And David Bowie. |
| 22:57.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I hated it even before I discovered that they'd blatantly ripped off Queen. |
| 22:57.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Mostly because the kid in Jr. High who beat me up on the bus really liked it. |
| 22:58.34 | *** part/#utah ^Migs^ (n=Migs@205.122.50.69) |
| 22:58.35 | Lone_Wanderer | How old are you? |
| 22:58.39 | elg | all old |
| 22:58.46 | fozzmoo | 34 (ALMOST 35!) |
| 22:58.50 | elg | findlay: thanks. that was absolutely no help |
| 23:00.21 | Lone_Wanderer | In that song, "Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it" |
| 23:00.52 | findlay | elg: I don't know |
| 23:01.05 | Lone_Wanderer | To what does this refer - playing the song's "hook", or killing (with a revolver) a GD (identified by a hook-like tattoo)? |
| 23:01.15 | findlay | elg: anyway, the full reports from dict seem to be somewhat illuminating |
| 23:01.31 | fozzmoo | Or the "hook" of the song. |
| 23:01.32 | findlay | why do you need to know the difference? |
| 23:01.50 | fozzmoo | The hook being that thing they ripped off from queen. |
| 23:02.07 | fozzmoo | and the DJ is the guy spinning the record in the background. |
| 23:02.08 | findlay | they ripped a hook off from the queen? |
| 23:02.13 | fozzmoo | spinning == revolving? |
| 23:02.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Because an LP revolves. |
| 23:02.26 | Lone_Wanderer | When you play it. |
| 23:02.29 | fozzmoo | I think so. |
| 23:02.31 | fozzmoo | It's been so long. |
| 23:02.33 | fozzmoo | :-) |
| 23:03.05 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: A GD is a gangster disciple, of the folk nation group of gangs |
| 23:03.24 | dataw0lf | it's like the crip of the midwest |
| 23:03.30 | fozzmoo | Stupid gang stuff. |
| 23:03.36 | Lone_Wanderer | dw: I know, i grew up in Frogtown. |
| 23:03.46 | fozzmoo | Frogtown is an actual place? |
| 23:03.47 | Lone_Wanderer | (Which is a neighborhood of St. Paul.) |
| 23:03.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 23:03.55 | goozbach | so reading the wikipedia page for VI is pretty funny |
| 23:03.57 | Lone_Wanderer | In St. Paul. It's "historic". |
| 23:04.01 | dataw0lf | ah, thought you were asking about it. |
| 23:04.02 | fozzmoo | I lived in the TC area for 6 months.Don't remember Frogtown. |
| 23:04.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Where did you live? |
| 23:04.14 | fozzmoo | Maybe because I was in yuppyville. |
| 23:04.15 | fozzmoo | Eagan. |
| 23:04.18 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not an actual... |
| 23:04.19 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl yeah |
| 23:04.20 | findlay | this crm is t3h suX0RZ! |
| 23:04.29 | dataw0lf | aw jeez, Minnesotans |
| 23:04.37 | fozzmoo | My wife and I did internships at Cray Research. :) |
| 23:05.19 | fozzmoo | There was a grocery store in Eagan that had CARPET! |
| 23:05.19 | levi | A bunch of the management where I work used to be at Cray. |
| 23:05.28 | fozzmoo | I mean, it had carpet on the floor! |
| 23:05.39 | fozzmoo | Everything was more expensive than the bag-you-own place, but it was SO NICE! |
| 23:05.50 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not a city or anything, it's a neighborhood in St. Paul. |
| 23:06.00 | fozzmoo | Lone_Wanderer: I probably got lost there once. :) |
| 23:06.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Eagan is where... oh wow I'm forgetting the names. |
| 23:06.18 | fozzmoo | A Utahn in Minnesota... No mountains to calibrate my internal compass. |
| 23:06.20 | Lone_Wanderer | The fun park whatever thing is. |
| 23:06.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Right? |
| 23:06.37 | fozzmoo | I don't remember a fun park... Eagan was SSE of Saint Paul, I think. |
| 23:06.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, then no. |
| 23:06.54 | Lone_Wanderer | The place with rollercoasters and things. |
| 23:06.58 | fozzmoo | Took the freeway straight north into St. Paul. |
| 23:07.02 | fozzmoo | Mall of America? |
| 23:07.08 | fozzmoo | Camp Snoopy? |
| 23:07.09 | Lone_Wanderer | No, no. |
| 23:07.19 | Lone_Wanderer | it's a big outdoor... not theme park. |
| 23:07.29 | fozzmoo | Lone_Wanderer: Did you ever go to that humungous rennaisance festival? |
| 23:07.40 | Lone_Wanderer | It's got a rollercoaster called Excalibur. |
| 23:07.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I did once or twice, yeah. |
| 23:08.07 | fozzmoo | I had never been to a festival like that before. Blew my mind. |
| 23:08.16 | findlay | and then there's the St. Paul chamber orchestra |
| 23:08.40 | fozzmoo | There's a picture of me in St. Paul that was entered in a Photoshop contest on Fark a year or so ago. |
| 23:08.42 | fozzmoo | Pretty funny. |
| 23:09.00 | Lone_Wanderer | What was it? |
| 23:09.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Aaand... shoot I was going to say something but I can't think right now for some reason. |
| 23:09.12 | fozzmoo | I was just standing in front of the state capitol building or something... |
| 23:09.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh yeah. Carpet in the grocery store. I think I know the chain you mean. |
| 23:09.26 | fozzmoo | wearing one of those old RSA encryption "this shirt is a munition" shirts. |
| 23:09.34 | Lone_Wanderer | They always had the expensive stuff that you couldn't find anywhere else. |
| 23:09.43 | fozzmoo | And a chinese buffet. |
| 23:09.46 | fozzmoo | Yum. |
| 23:10.04 | fozzmoo | And there was a vietnamese place we liked to go call Kei Viet or something. |
| 23:10.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Valley Fair |
| 23:10.21 | Lone_Wanderer | That's the amusement park in MN. |
| 23:10.28 | fozzmoo | Cool. |
| 23:11.01 | fozzmoo | levi:Yeah, a lot of Cray/SGI folks over at Linux Networx |
| 23:11.16 | fozzmoo | Lone_Wanderer: http://www.fozzilinymoo.org/events/1997-Minnesota/ |
| 23:12.36 | fozzmoo | http://www.fozzilinymoo.org/events/1997-Minnesota/images/Doran_CapitalBuilding.JPG |
| 23:12.42 | fozzmoo | That's the picture that got photoshopped. |
| 23:12.45 | fozzmoo | Kind of embarrassing. |
| 23:12.52 | fozzmoo | It was like 30-40 pounds ago. |
| 23:13.16 | Lone_Wanderer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul_neighborhoods#Thomas-Dale |
| 23:13.18 | Lone_Wanderer | There we go. |
| 23:13.36 | Lone_Wanderer | *sniff* makes me homesick |
| 23:14.39 | fozzmoo | I liked MN in the summer. :) |
| 23:14.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Mmmm, yes. |
| 23:15.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I like the summer nights there. |
| 23:15.11 | Lone_Wanderer | It stays warm. |
| 23:15.37 | fozzmoo | And the rainstorms are out of this world compared to Utah. |
| 23:15.42 | Lone_Wanderer | And in the early summer, when it gets continually warmer and hotter and more humid all morning and afternoon |
| 23:15.51 | fozzmoo | I don't miss the humidity. |
| 23:16.11 | Lone_Wanderer | and then in the early evening you can feel the storm coming |
| 23:16.20 | fozzmoo | It's amazing that the elevation is only 500 ft there. |
| 23:16.33 | fozzmoo | The Mississippi only goes down 500 feet from there to the Gulf. |
| 23:16.38 | Lone_Wanderer | and it all comes to a head and explodes in a gigantic thunderstorm and the temperature drops |
| 23:16.56 | Lone_Wanderer | and it goes from being sunny to the sky being completely black in about a half hour |
| 23:17.00 | fozzmoo | I changed my brake pads in the parking lot outside our apartment one evening. |
| 23:17.08 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, get caught in the rain? |
| 23:17.10 | fozzmoo | Got eaten alive by mosquitos. |
| 23:17.17 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh, yes. I forgot about those things. |
| 23:17.40 | fozzmoo | And before I went to MN, I'd never seen actual fireflies before. |
| 23:17.54 | Lone_Wanderer | :D |
| 23:18.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I was in a foster home during high school for about six months |
| 23:18.15 | fozzmoo | Good times? |
| 23:18.23 | Lone_Wanderer | and in back there was a patch of grass that, for logistical reasons, never got mowed |
| 23:18.38 | Lone_Wanderer | (it was on a piece of land that sloped at about 45 degrees) |
| 23:18.44 | Lone_Wanderer | and there were fireflies out there like mad |
| 23:19.19 | fozzmoo | I'll bet. |
| 23:19.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Overall it was tolerable. There were some good things about it, but the foster parents were rotten. |
| 23:19.52 | Lone_Wanderer | During my first week there they watched The Godmakers on TV. |
| 23:20.00 | Lone_Wanderer | To learn about "Mormon History". |
| 23:20.05 | findlay | ************************ Error ********************** PHP 5.1.2 installed successfully |
| 23:20.08 | findlay | ***************************************************** |
| 23:20.10 | findlay | hehe |
| 23:20.10 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl |
| 23:20.12 | fozzmoo | precisely. |
| 23:20.20 | fozzmoo | that's funny, Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:20.30 | Lone_Wanderer | It is now. |
| 23:20.38 | fozzmoo | Installing PHP 5.1.2 is an error of hugantic proportions. |
| 23:20.47 | findlay | tell me about it |
| 23:20.55 | fozzmoo | As a Utahn outside of Utah, the Mormons in MN were kinda scary to me. :) |
| 23:21.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, and the mom there. That was at the time that NASA was first looking into life on Mars. |
| 23:21.21 | Lone_Wanderer | And she said, over dinner, "All I know is that..." no wait. |
| 23:21.35 | Lone_Wanderer | First, the TV was on. The announcer said something about looking for microbial life on Mars. |
| 23:21.45 | fozzmoo | Glenn Beck describes the first Mormon he met at a church as "The Amazing PLastic Man... and his Plastic Family" and that's what I thought of the Mormons I met in Minnesota. |
| 23:21.51 | Lone_Wanderer | To which she responded, "All I know is, if there's life on Mars, it's way more advanced than we are!" |
| 23:22.04 | fozzmoo | My wife grew up outside of Utah. so it wasn't so much of a shock to her. |
| 23:22.04 | Lone_Wanderer | What do you mean, Fozz? |
| 23:22.15 | fozzmoo | Oh, everyone was SO DAMN HAPPY I came to church. |
| 23:22.31 | Lone_Wanderer | The Minnesota Mormons I knew were all from the poor parts of St. Paul, and half of them were Hmong immigrants, so... |
| 23:22.40 | fozzmoo | It was downright annoying. |
| 23:22.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, except when they split the wards and put us in with the people from the northwest suburbs. |
| 23:23.15 | fozzmoo | And then there were people at church who weren't in Sunday best dress |
| 23:23.18 | Lone_Wanderer | And we were never 'outsiders' either. |
| 23:23.26 | fozzmoo | And being a Utah Mormon... that was just wrong to me. |
| 23:23.30 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 23:23.40 | Lone_Wanderer | We used to make fun of Utah Mormons all the time. |
| 23:23.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Especially how they always talk about everywhere except Utah as "the mission field". |
| 23:23.58 | fozzmoo | Right. |
| 23:24.11 | Lone_Wanderer | We generally liked them best when they stayed in Utah. |
| 23:24.11 | fozzmoo | Living "out in the field" |
| 23:24.35 | Lone_Wanderer | My Mom knew one woman, from Utah, who came back here to have her baby because she didn't think that a non-Mormon doctor would really care about the baby. |
| 23:24.49 | fozzmoo | weird. |
| 23:24.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, and the lady who got kicked out of BYU for teaching students to pray to Heavenly Mother? |
| 23:25.05 | Lone_Wanderer | She ended up in our stake. |
| 23:25.09 | fozzmoo | I went to a really smart dentist in Minnesota. |
| 23:25.25 | fozzmoo | She took one look at the tooth that was bothering me and said, "Do you drink Mountain Dew?" |
| 23:25.29 | fozzmoo | Man. She was good. |
| 23:25.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Made all the primary kids sing "Once There Was A Snow Woman." |
| 23:25.40 | fozzmoo | oh geeez. |
| 23:25.46 | fozzmoo | That just doesn't even work! |
| 23:26.11 | Lone_Wanderer | THAT'S WHAT YOU SAY! YOU'RE JUST PERPETUATING THE PATRIARCHY! |
| 23:26.43 | dataw0lf | ya, everyone knows that if god was a woman there'd be waaaay more soap operas. DUH |
| 23:27.19 | findlay | ~soap dataw0lf |
| 23:27.20 | ibot | ACTION washes dataw0lf's mouth out with a fat bar of pink soap |
| 23:41.47 | elg | is it snowing? |
| 23:42.13 | fozzmoo | It was snowing here this morning |
| 23:44.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I made one once, findlay. |
| 23:45.07 | Lone_Wanderer | She was kind of cute, but completely frigid. |
| 23:47.48 | fozzmoo | har har har |
| 23:47.57 | elg | -lart Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:48.06 | elg | that's the cure for frigid |
| 23:48.14 | fozzmoo | Do I even want to find out why there's 100+ new messages in my plug box? |
| 23:48.20 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 23:49.18 | Supaplex | fozzmoo: no, but I made $60 because of it. ;) |
| 23:52.18 | fozzmoo | Oh great. Now we're talking about PHP. |
| 23:52.27 | fozzmoo | That wasn't even in the list of languages Bryan wanted to discuss. |
