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| 01:26.38 | Kuyaedz | is it possible to install an .iso mounted on another machine? |
| 01:34.18 | mrpull | Kuyaedz: Short answer: yes... Long answer: What are you installing? |
| 01:35.07 | Kuyaedz | mrpull: the cdrw decided to die on my notebook and I need to re-install |
| 01:37.02 | Kuyaedz | I thought, if it were possible, I'd install over nfs (if that's the right method).. or I could buy a notebook drive adapter & just put it in another machine |
| 01:42.58 | Kuyaedz | found some google results.. looks like its dependent on the distro supporting install via nfs? |
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| 01:45.39 | mrpull | Kuyaedz: most distros I can think of can do an install over HTTP, SMB, FTP and NFS. What distro are you thinking? |
| 01:46.13 | mrpull | my notebook is an ultra portable without an optical drive |
| 01:46.24 | Kuyaedz | I need to put Ubuntu back on |
| 01:46.54 | mrpull | i've booted to a USB flash drive and done internet installs of several distros and also used a USB cdrom drive |
| 01:49.08 | Kuyaedz | looks like I'm going to have to take the drive out. my notebook doesn't boot from usb & optical is the only other medium |
| 01:49.21 | mrpull | no floppy either? |
| 01:49.23 | mrpull | rats. |
| 01:49.30 | Kuyaedz | nope |
| 01:49.48 | Kuyaedz | I was thinking nfs but I'd need a boot medium for that either way |
| 01:49.50 | mrpull | does it boot now? |
| 01:50.31 | mrpull | you should be able to bootstrap ubuntu if you have a spare partition, |
| 01:51.53 | Kuyaedz | the hdd boots but its not booting from the CD |
| 01:52.12 | mrpull | hdd boots to linux? |
| 01:52.14 | Kuyaedz | oddly enough, it stopped working just after I installed FC5 (was going to try a multi-boot system) |
| 01:52.40 | Kuyaedz | hdd boots to fc5 now, but I'd rather not have that as the only thing on there |
| 01:53.06 | mrpull | debootstrap can be used to install ubuntu on a running machine |
| 01:53.27 | mrpull | i believe you do need an extra partition though |
| 01:53.34 | emcnabb | Quote of the day: "Among the many flavors of the Linux operating system, several are actually free." |
| 01:53.51 | emcnabb | Computer Shopper for this month |
| 01:53.59 | Kuyaedz | Its already setup with extra partitions. I got thru step 1 of my 3 steps multi-install & the drive stopped |
| 01:54.53 | Kuyaedz | so its already got a partition meant for suse & ubuntu, plus shared swap. |
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| 01:57.52 | mrpull | i wonder if debootstrap is in your FC repositories :) |
| 02:00.42 | Kuyaedz | No Matches found |
| 02:01.23 | Kuyaedz | but I did find a debootstrap.rpm via google.. |
| 02:02.36 | mrpull | debootstrap is essentially a script to download a minimal debian installation that you can chroot into. you should be able to install a very basic ubuntu with it. |
| 02:02.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow. #freenode-social is an utter mess |
| 02:03.29 | elg | how so? |
| 02:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | The hack a bit ago |
| 02:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | There is a lot of pissed off users |
| 02:04.24 | elg | the one yesterday? |
| 02:04.29 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 02:04.45 | elg | what are they upset about? |
| 02:05.20 | emcnabb | it's actually fairly entertaining |
| 02:05.37 | elg | so an irc server got hacked. it's not like they keep our credit card numbers |
| 02:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 02:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 02:05.54 | elg | irc isn't exactly mission critical either |
| 02:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But people are still pissed... "THEY GOT MY PASSWORD!?!?!?!?" |
| 02:06.36 | elg | heh. like it wasn't transmitted in the clear every time they authenticat |
| 02:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 02:06.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Does your IRC password actually mean anything to you? |
| 02:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | If your answer is 'yes', fix yourself |
| 02:07.58 | ScytheBlade1 | The personal attacks on lilo are entertaining, also |
| 02:08.57 | mrpull | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix |
| 02:09.19 | mrpull | Kuyaedz: that link can give you some inspiration, but it isn't completely right for dapper |
| 02:10.19 | mrpull | Kuyaedz: don't do anything you don't understand </disclaimer> |
| 02:11.36 | Kuyaedz | I guess I should start taking notes.. unless anyone knows how to support broadcom in FC5. |
| 02:12.01 | Kuyaedz | if I can get wireless working I could just stay with FC5 until something else gets figured out. |
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| 02:35.31 | mrpull | i'm not a broadcom pro |
| 02:35.40 | mrpull | it seems mheath is |
| 02:36.47 | Kuyaedz | I've got it working in suse & its simple in ubuntu, but I run into dependency hell with ndiswrapper & fc5 |
| 02:40.56 | atoponce | isn't there apt-rpm for suse and fedora core? |
| 02:43.39 | mrpull | FC does have apt-rpm, but I tend to stick with the default package managers when I can |
| 02:43.53 | mrpull | atoponce: why not use yum? |
| 02:44.42 | atoponce | i'm not familiar with rpm-based distros. does yum handle dependancies? |
| 02:44.57 | Kuyaedz | yeah, but this package was giving me trouble |
| 02:45.01 | mrpull | atoponce: yes. |
| 02:45.13 | Kuyaedz | telling me it needed to downgrade the kernel to a previous because that was a dependency of the ndiswrapper rpm |
| 02:51.48 | Kuyaedz | how in the world am I getting permission denied as root |
| 02:53.48 | Kuyaedz | n/m |
| 02:54.27 | emcnabb | are you using the Livna repos for ndiswrapper? |
| 02:54.37 | Kuyaedz | I do have the livna repo, yes. |
| 02:56.15 | emcnabb | it installs just fine for me when using the Livna packages |
| 02:57.26 | Kuyaedz | it gave me an error about trying to revert to 2.6.16 kernel.. I guess I could try again, again |
| 02:57.55 | emcnabb | when installing it or running ndiswrapper? |
| 02:58.36 | Kuyaedz | when trying to install the ndiswrapper package |
| 02:59.40 | Kuyaedz | let me try it again & I'll post the output |
| 03:01.46 | emcnabb | hum |
| 03:01.51 | emcnabb | I think I see what's going on |
| 03:02.04 | Kuyaedz | its saying it wants to remove my old 2.6.15 kernel, replacing with 2.6.16, but my current is 2.6.17 |
| 03:02.53 | emcnabb | This weekend FC5 upgraded to 2.6.17, but Livna hasn't updated ndiswrapper (and several other RPMs) for the new kernel yet |
| 03:03.24 | emcnabb | it will probably be done in the next day or two (if not sooner) |
| 03:03.44 | Kuyaedz | ahh, that makes sense |
| 03:04.15 | emcnabb | I just ran into the same problem with the ATI kernel modules |
| 03:04.32 | emcnabb | I'm downloading the new kernel right now myself |
| 03:05.16 | emcnabb | well, I'm on the east coast |
| 03:05.18 | emcnabb | it's bedtime |
| 03:05.19 | emcnabb | night all |
| 03:08.10 | Kuyaedz | nite |
| 03:14.56 | emcnabb | I've never seen this many people join a channel at once |
| 03:19.19 | elg | emcnabb: this is the perfect time to play those boring computer games |
| 03:19.30 | emcnabb | haha |
| 03:50.39 | Kuyaedz | mrpull: you still around? |
| 03:59.14 | mheath[laptop] | wow, I did two pullups! |
| 03:59.45 | mheath[laptop] | Not perfectly dead hang (the bar is way too long for me to do that easily, even with my legs up), but I pumped out two no problem. |
| 04:26.17 | findlay | and I could do about 60 pushups in a burnout set right now |
| 04:26.56 | mheath[laptop] | findlay: Screw you. |
| 04:27.04 | mheath[laptop] | I'm feeling good because I've made some progress. |
| 04:27.05 | findlay | whatever |
| 04:27.08 | findlay | (: |
| 04:27.12 | mheath[laptop] | I never worked on pullups, and I could do exactly 0. |
| 04:27.17 | mheath[laptop] | In a week, I can now do two. |
| 04:28.14 | findlay | if I worked at it I could probably do 100 in a set after a few weeks, but I never excercize regularly |
| 04:28.25 | findlay | muscle building is easy |
| 04:28.33 | findlay | you just have to do it a lot |
| 04:28.39 | findlay | and constantly every day |
| 04:28.40 | mheath[laptop] | I'm just happy I am making progress |
| 04:29.05 | mheath[laptop] | I've been doing negative pullups this whole time |
| 04:29.16 | findlay | at the very very beginning it's always hard, but over the course of years training your muscles it gets easier |
| 04:29.44 | mheath[laptop] | I've done some conditioning before |
| 04:29.49 | mheath[laptop] | Just never worked on pullups |
| 04:30.06 | findlay | in fact it's easier for me to build up my skeletal miscles to burn energy than it is to run every day |
| 04:30.26 | findlay | what can I say? I'm just lazy |
| 04:30.42 | findlay | but I like to run too |
| 04:31.34 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: do a burnout set of pullups at least 5 times a day |
| 04:31.46 | findlay | after a few weeks you could probably do 20 in a set |
| 04:32.42 | mheath[laptop] | findlay, I'm going to talk to my recruiter about some suggestions for my conditioning. |
| 04:32.52 | mheath[laptop] | They have training on the best way to get people in shape. |
| 04:33.20 | findlay | the thing about excercizing is you have to do it a lot |
| 04:33.32 | findlay | and it has to be enjoyable |
| 04:34.02 | mheath[laptop] | findlay, I did pullup negatives for 3 days in a row. |
| 04:34.05 | mheath[laptop] | Then took a day off. |
| 04:34.08 | findlay | the more you hate it the worse you'll do, just like everything else |
| 04:34.22 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: yeah, sometimes breaks are good too |
| 04:34.41 | findlay | you need to pay attention to your body |
| 04:34.54 | mheath[laptop] | Yeah. I wanted to see how many actual pullups I'd improved by, and I couldn't do that because my body was constantly sore. |
| 04:36.11 | findlay | I'll go out and run but stop if my throat gets sore from the dry air, or if I get really dehydrated |
| 04:36.50 | findlay | because then (unless it's a competition really) it's not worth damaging your body for the energy you could be burning |
| 04:37.12 | elg | not me, I punish my body. Every day I stand up at least 5 times, whether it hurts or not |
| 04:37.38 | findlay | in that case it's fun just walking because you don't ever go walking for the fun of it |
| 04:37.53 | findlay | elg: man, that's a tough program |
| 04:37.53 | mheath[laptop] | 10 weeks.... |
| 04:37.55 | mheath[laptop] | *sigh* |
| 04:38.24 | findlay | I wish I had that kind of dedication |
| 04:38.35 | mheath[laptop] | I kept telling myself I wanted to leave ASAP |
| 04:38.44 | mheath[laptop] | "If you give me the option of leaving this weekend, I'll take it" |
| 04:39.06 | mheath[laptop] | Now, I have 10 weeks. But thats firm. And now, it seems like so little time. |
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| 04:42.20 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 04:42.37 | findlay | mheath[laptop]: we should start bulkwars.com to compete with lardwars |
| 04:43.08 | mheath[laptop] | Huh? |
| 04:43.15 | findlay | ~lardwars |
| 04:43.28 | findlay | ibot: do you know anything? |
| 04:43.30 | ibot | yes, I know anything. |
| 04:43.38 | findlay | Dapper606: does ibot know anything? |
| 04:43.59 | Dapper606 | findlay: I think so. |
| 04:44.26 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 04:44.56 | vontrapp | so what is one to do when cdrecord can't grok the track length from a .wav? |
| 04:46.33 | findlay | you must sacrifice a WindowsXP install CD to the Penguin |
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| 12:35.25 | goozbach | ~convert 1 rot smoot |
| 12:38.54 | goozbach | ~smoot |
| 12:39.07 | ibot | well, smoot is a unit of distance, 1.7 meters long. Used to measure the Harvard Bridge by MIT students. |
| 12:39.07 | goozbach | bah |
| 12:44.28 | goozbach | ohh so you do know what a smoot it |
| 12:44.32 | goozbach | s/it/is |
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| 14:03.50 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
| 14:10.07 | Jayce^ | -lart elg |
| 14:20.03 | elg | he was one of the crackers |
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| 15:05.46 | redbeard1 | http://www.benjerry.com/our_products/flavor_details.cfm?product_id=183 |
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| 15:20.51 | nick125_lappy | mmm.. |
| 15:20.55 | nick125_lappy | ice cream.. |
| 15:21.08 | ^Migs^ | omgicecream |
| 15:21.33 | mheath | There are times during the day when ice cream sounds delicious. |
| 15:21.40 | mheath | 9:20 in the morning is not one of them. |
| 15:21.50 | vontrapp | -lart mheath |
| 15:22.26 | elg | anyone remember what knoppix user/pass you can use to ssh in? |
| 15:22.44 | nick125_lappy | ain't it something like knoppix/knoppix? |
| 15:22.49 | ^Migs^ | I don't agree with mheath at all |
| 15:22.57 | ^Migs^ | there is NEVER a bad time for ice cream |
| 15:23.21 | elg | nick125_lappy: nope. at least, not through ssh |
| 15:23.35 | nick125_lappy | passwd knoppix would work too :P |
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| 15:58.42 | findlay | do you realize that everything you say on #utah means that much more space taken up on my hard drive with my irc logs? |
| 15:59.12 | redbeard1 | ping findlay |
| 15:59.13 | emcnabb | yes |
| 15:59.14 | redbeard1 | ping findlay |
| 15:59.16 | emcnabb | I |
| 15:59.17 | emcnabb | do |
| 15:59.18 | redbeard1 | like that? |
| 15:59.24 | findlay | gah! |
| 15:59.29 | redbeard1 | bwahahahaha! |
| 15:59.55 | findlay | I propose that everyone drop every fifth word in their IRC statements so as to conserve resources |
| 16:00.07 | ^Migs^ | nice deal on a 400 GB IDE drive: http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4596287 |
| 16:00.13 | emcnabb | why did you just say "gah!"? That took up more space? This sentence has no purpose. |
| 16:00.45 | findlay | perhaps I can search that one out and remove it by hand |
| 16:02.06 | Kuyaedz | can any SUSE users suggest what I should use for my repositories? |
| 16:02.31 | vontrapp | how do you catch an exception from a thread? |
| 16:02.35 | vontrapp | in ruby |
| 16:02.56 | elg | rescue? |
| 16:03.05 | vontrapp | begin |
| 16:03.11 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.14 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.16 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.19 | vontrapp | rescue |
| 16:03.24 | vontrapp | end |
| 16:03.44 | vontrapp | there's a loop after the thread block |
| 16:03.58 | elg | that doesn't work you're saying? |
| 16:04.05 | elg | what about putting a rescue in the thread itself? |
| 16:04.06 | vontrapp | but if there's an exception in the thread, it just simply goes away, and the loop goes on without a care |
| 16:05.16 | vontrapp | elg: so with a rescue inside the block, how will i tell the other loop to terminate? |
| 16:06.08 | elg | with a signal maybe? |
| 16:06.13 | elg | dunno |
| 16:06.45 | vontrapp | seems to me the problem is apparently no signal percolating past the thread |
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| 16:08.37 | nick125_lappy | I wonder..how slow would a ELF parser/executor would be written in python.. |
| 16:08.57 | vontrapp | ?? |
| 16:08.59 | findlay | probably fast enough |
| 16:09.10 | vontrapp | why would you parse machine code in a scripting language? |
| 16:09.36 | nick125_lappy | vontrapp: write a operating system where you can write low-level kernel stuff in python |
| 16:09.52 | elg | call it pythix |
| 16:10.39 | vontrapp | write a whole kernel in python? or just have the kernel use python? |
| 16:11.02 | levi | I seem to recall someone working on a Python OS, but I'm not sure. |
| 16:11.36 | mheath | I once considered working on a Java OS |
| 16:11.44 | levi | Ahh, there are a couple of them. |
| 16:11.51 | levi | Cleese and Unununium. |
| 16:12.18 | mheath | The core of the kernel would be Java, compiled into machine code using GCJ |
| 16:12.33 | mheath | That core would be used to bring up a virtual machine infrastructure, and...yeah. |
| 16:12.42 | mheath | Yet another stupid idea from mheath. |
| 16:14.39 | levi | mheath: That sounds somewhat like Microsoft's Singularity OS. |
| 16:14.50 | levi | Except it's written in a variant of C#. |
| 16:15.03 | tensai | isn't that what j2me does? |
| 16:15.15 | mheath | No |
| 16:15.34 | mheath | j2me is a VM (just cut back and customized a lot), riding ontop of another OS |
| 16:15.37 | mheath | (PalmOS, etc) |
| 16:16.12 | mheath | 'course, I'm a firm believer in object oriented programming |
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| 16:16.23 | mheath | And i like the idea of a fully object oriented operating system |
| 16:17.14 | nick125_lappy | you could write kernel modules in python, etc |
| 16:18.03 | mheath | then again, my favorite project/idea focuses on transforming non-object-oriented operating systems into extremely object oriented systems |
| 16:19.46 | nick125_lappy | from kernel import module |
| 16:19.57 | nick125_lappy | @module.expose_init() |
| 16:20.09 | nick125_lappy | def init(krnl): |
| 16:20.13 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.29 | nick125_lappy | the filesystem would have low-level indexing and tagging |
| 16:23.14 | bonez39 | I have several files which are now .TIF and I need to convert them all to .PDF |
| 16:23.19 | bonez39 | is there any easy way to do this? |
| 16:23.47 | tensai | tiff2pdf? |
| 16:24.04 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 16:24.53 | bonez39 | tiff2pdf, eh? |
| 16:25.11 | bonez39 | that's the direction I need to go, yeah....but not sure how to convert them all |
| 16:25.20 | levi | Heh, Cleese never got to the point of having free() or a a garbage collector. |
| 16:26.16 | bonez39 | tensai, is tiff2pdf the name of a utility? |
| 16:27.28 | tensai | for i in *.tif; do base=$(basename ${i} .tif); tiff2pdf ${i} "${base}.pdf"; done |
| 16:27.30 | tensai | bonez39: yes |
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| 16:47.50 | amcnabb | blist |
| 16:47.55 | amcnabb | oops |
| 16:47.58 | amcnabb | Sorry about that. :) |
| 16:48.12 | amcnabb | Guess what I use for IM. |
| 16:48.54 | findlay | um, a keyboard? |
| 16:50.16 | findlay | and one of those TV things |
| 16:51.07 | amcnabb | TV things? |
| 16:51.22 | findlay | it looks like a TV |
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| 17:05.45 | harleypig | amcnabb: you use the interweb? |
| 17:06.01 | bonez39 | tensai, I found tiff2pdf from Davince Tools....it's a windows application........ right? |
| 17:06.19 | amcnabb | harleypig, yep. My internet hooks up to it. |
| 17:07.43 | tensai | bonez39: windows? hardly. |
| 17:07.45 | tensai | libtiff-tools: /usr/bin/tiff2pdf |
| 17:08.06 | bonez39 | tensai, ah....I guess they don't have a .deb of it..I'll go find it...... |
| 17:08.16 | tensai | mmm. I'm using debian... |
| 17:08.23 | harleypig | amcnabb: :D |
| 17:09.15 | bonez39 | tensai, ok, it's on my system...didn't invoke it right first time, I guess... |
| 17:09.45 | bonez39 | tensai, so the routine you listed above....do I run that and have it process all my files? |
| 17:10.06 | bonez39 | tensai, I am clearly no programmer..... |
| 17:10.27 | tensai | bonez39: that's an example of how you could run it. that script would convert all *.tif files in the current directory. |
| 17:10.37 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 17:11.19 | bonez39 | would it run even if they aren't tagged explicitly as .tif , i.e., they are .tif files internally, but without the .tif extension? would that still work? |
| 17:11.27 | bonez39 | it would require the tag, right? |
| 17:12.20 | bonez39 | I have a mix of .tif, .efx, .pdf and others with no file extension..and I want to convert them all to bear .pdf extension |
| 17:12.54 | Uncle_Jesse | so tell me - what would you guys do if you came home early on your date from your wife and found out your babysitters had invited boys over? (15 years old) |
| 17:13.24 | bonez39 | Uncle_Jesse, what were they, the sitters doing, with the boys when you came in the door? |
| 17:13.40 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez39: they were just playing, fortunately - the kids were still awake |
| 17:13.54 | Uncle_Jesse | they were using the kids to flirt with each other and telling the kids not to tell us though |
| 17:14.07 | Uncle_Jesse | and they drank all my pepsi :-( |
| 17:14.14 | Uncle_Jesse | and littered some of it all over my yeard |
| 17:14.16 | Uncle_Jesse | yard |
| 17:14.20 | bonez39 | I'd likely NOT pay them.....and then I'd let their parents know, as long as you instructed them to NOT allow anyone else to come over.....that they had done this and hope their parents take them to task |
| 17:14.39 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez39: cool - that's basically what I did |
| 17:14.49 | Uncle_Jesse | now what would you have done with the boys? :-) |
| 17:14.57 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't think I was harsh enough with the boys |
| 17:14.59 | bonez39 | drank all your Pepis? damn..that's the end of it then.....the rest could be excused, but Pepsi ALL GONE? That's the worst of it.... |
| 17:15.19 | Uncle_Jesse | yes - I was pretty ticked when I found that out |
| 17:15.45 | bonez39 | I have three boys....so it's likely not going to be an issue at our house.....but I think I'd want to scare the hell outtov em...send them home needing to change their drawers......;) |
| 17:15.51 | Uncle_Jesse | it was the caffinated ones in the fridge too (we have non-caffinated too) |
| 17:16.18 | bonez39 | no diet though, hopefully? that aspartame'll kill you faster than the extra calories... |
| 17:16.19 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I threatened the cops on them, but I'm kinda wishing we sat all of them down until all of their parents came over to pick them up |
| 17:16.39 | Uncle_Jesse | and maybe for the boys had my neighbor who's a cop come over and take them home :-) |
| 17:16.55 | bonez39 | seriously though....I'd hvae read them the riot act..and the girls need to wear the scarlet letter..and let all other parents know they will invite boys over if they tend for others... |
| 17:17.07 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez39: actually, we have some caffeine-free, diet pepsi too :-) |
| 17:17.31 | Uncle_Jesse | cool - glad I wasn't too harsh on the girls then |
| 17:19.48 | bonez39 | well, the girls are all wearing STOOPID signs on their foreheads.....they need to realize the guys are coming over.....to fool around, not to tend children....and if they don't get that...then they need to not tend your kids... |
| 17:20.10 | bonez39 | hard to say...I'd have to decide how to handle that at the moment it occurred... |
| 17:20.51 | bonez39 | I never visited any girls while they were tending someone else's kids..when I was but a kid myself........ |
| 17:21.19 | bonez39 | but I know what I was thinking at that age........so.....those memories would clearly guide my own reactions or hopefully action |
| 17:21.31 | bonez39 | tensai, that seemed to work... |
| 17:22.50 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez39: yeah - I'm probably more ticked at the boys than anything, but the girls weren't paid and won't be working for us again |
| 17:23.11 | bonez39 | sounds like you too the right approach |
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| 17:32.01 | emcnabb | Uncle_Jesse: I would force them to chat on #utah for a week... that would teach them never to do it again |
| 17:32.32 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - that would scare them silly |
| 17:34.22 | goozbach | ohh scare silly!? |
| 17:34.24 | goozbach | buhahahh? |
| 17:34.25 | macnewbold | wait until they get larted a few times... |
| 17:46.13 | emcnabb | ~lart macnewbold |
| 17:46.40 | emcnabb | of course ibot's responses, like this, wouldn't scare most people |
| 17:46.58 | tensai | ~lart emcnabb |
| 17:47.07 | emcnabb | ~lart tensai |
| 17:47.14 | emcnabb | ok, that one would |
| 17:47.59 | tensai | they'd probably wet their pants if they got spammed by a hotmal account |
| 17:48.16 | emcnabb | true |
| 17:48.20 | emcnabb | ~lart tensai |
| 17:48.26 | emcnabb | ibot: you suck |
| 17:48.29 | ibot | Thank you! That will be $5 |
| 17:48.39 | emcnabb | um... |
| 17:48.42 | emcnabb | oh my... |
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| 17:49.06 | tensai | ibot: no, you suck is no, *you* suck! |
| 17:49.08 | ibot | tensai: what are you talking about? |
| 17:49.24 | macnewbold | ~you suck |
| 17:49.27 | ibot | Thank you! That will be $5 |
| 17:49.31 | macnewbold | ? |
| 17:49.43 | macnewbold | tensai: it didn't seem to work... |
| 17:49.48 | emcnabb | I bet goozbach added that one |
| 17:49.52 | tensai | ibot: forget you suck |
| 17:49.52 | ibot | tensai: i forgot you suck |
| 17:49.58 | tensai | ibot: you suck is no, *you* suck! |
| 17:50.02 | ibot | tensai: what are you talking about? |
| 17:50.12 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:51.29 | tensai | ibot: you suck |
| 17:51.34 | ibot | no, *you* suck! |
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| 17:59.03 | tensai | she was getting confused by the "no,". I added an explicit <reply> and now it works |
| 18:00.38 | tensai | redbeard1: I am so glad you posted about pasta salad. what an easy and delicious thing to make. |
| 18:12.25 | redbeard1 | tensai: do you make it a lot? |
| 18:13.23 | tensai | redbeard1: not a ton, but more so than previously. we used to make this stuff from a box. pales in comparison. |
| 18:13.53 | redbeard1 | oh man. yeah, don't be doing that box thing. i didn't even know there was a box thing for pasta salad. |
| 18:14.39 | tensai | I'll have a picture and description of yesterday's salad up at some point, hopefully today |
| 18:14.44 | redbeard1 | sweet |
| 18:14.59 | redbeard1 | i'm going to be playing with chicken fried chicken either tonight or tomorrow night. |
| 18:15.11 | tensai | the box thing does give me a good idea: bacon. mmmmm... |
| 18:27.15 | goozbach | oh noes!!!oneoneone they're on to me... |
| 18:27.21 | goozbach | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:27.44 | goozbach | so, blogger.com isn't doing it for me anymore |
| 18:27.58 | goozbach | I've set up WordPress and MovableType |
| 18:28.08 | goozbach | any reasons I should use one over the other? |
| 18:28.20 | Jayce^ | perl vs php and what you like to use |
| 18:28.23 | Jayce^ | licenense |
| 18:28.28 | atoponce | haven't used movabletype, but wordpress has a ton of plugins |
| 18:28.29 | Jayce^ | typos... :-p |
| 18:29.14 | atoponce | decent amount of themes too |
| 18:29.29 | goozbach | I've used moveable type before |
| 18:29.44 | goozbach | I'm not sure I want to use that license |
| 18:29.55 | goozbach | wordpress looks pretty cool |
| 18:30.05 | atoponce | what license is movabletype under? |
| 18:30.08 | atoponce | not gpl? |
| 18:30.10 | goozbach | nope |
| 18:30.16 | goozbach | free as in beer |
| 18:30.26 | atoponce | ahh. that sucks. |
| 18:30.31 | goozbach | (for non-comercial) |
| 18:33.45 | goozbach | maybe I'll just use all three for a while |
| 18:33.47 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:34.00 | goozbach | or maybe it'll be which one is better themeable |
| 18:34.16 | tensai | anybody use or used mimedefang? |
| 18:40.29 | Jayce^ | goozbach, mt has some cool features, decent design, but that license change made me drop it |
| 18:45.50 | goozbach | yeah, that's what I'm thinking |
| 18:46.01 | goozbach | I'll see how hard it is to skin wordpress tonight |
| 18:46.07 | goozbach | and make my decision then |
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| 18:51.25 | tene | http://individual.utoronto.ca/roninkengo/pictures/instanthe |
| 18:51.26 | tene | artattack.jpg |
| 18:51.33 | tene | ... >< |
| 18:51.34 | tene | artattack.jpg |
| 18:51.41 | tene | ... I fail. |
| 18:51.44 | elg | <> |
| 18:51.48 | ^Migs^ | n00b |
| 18:51.54 | elg | how does one get the back of a watch back on? |
| 18:52.11 | tene | Yes, it seems I am channeling the very essence of n00bness today. |
| 18:52.27 | tene | http://individual.utoronto.ca/roninkengo/pictures/instantheartattack.jpg |
| 18:52.32 | ^Migs^ | I didn't realize brains were so high in cholesterol |
| 18:52.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | lmao |
| 18:57.59 | ^Migs^ | oh this is nasty: http://kookychow.com/kookychow/01/page/beefamato2.htm |
| 18:57.59 | brac | [KookyChow Dot Com] |
| 18:59.40 | elg | ~invoke sjansen |
| 18:59.52 | elg | alright, they'll let us move after all |
| 18:59.53 | elg | sweet |
| 19:01.34 | goozbach | sjansen doesn't do invoke |
| 19:01.48 | goozbach | he doesn't beleive in a CLI IRC client |
| 19:01.50 | levi | tene: Cholesterol actually seems to be important for proper brain functioning. |
| 19:02.05 | tensai | levi: yes, but your body can make all it needs |
| 19:02.23 | tensai | that would make sense why pork brains have so much cholesterol |
| 19:02.40 | levi | tensai: Yes, I only meant that as an explanation for the amount of cholesterol in the pork brains. |
| 19:02.54 | tensai | levi: ah. then I concur. :) |
| 19:02.58 | Jayce^ | ~blame sjansen |
| 19:02.59 | ibot | ACTION blames sjansen (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 19:03.08 | vontrapp | ~invoke vontrapp |
| 19:03.15 | tensai | now there's another reason not to eat the monkey brains |
| 19:03.58 | Jayce^ | tensai, "while monkey-brain soup may be a delicacy in cantoneese cuisine..." |
| 19:04.31 | goozbach | duh!!! |
| 19:04.40 | goozbach | meatman and the sirloins |
| 19:04.51 | goozbach | no, wait... |
| 19:05.16 | goozbach | meatman and the sirloins 2 - quest for the golden grinder |
| 19:05.31 | tensai | Jayce^: I was alluding to Indiana Jones |
| 19:05.51 | tensai | ~lart tene |
| 19:05.53 | Jayce^ | I was pointing to clue.. |
| 19:06.00 | levi | Apparently the brain manufactures its own cholesterol, since cholesterol molecules are too big to pass the blood-brain barrier. |
| 19:06.03 | ^Migs^ | why did you say "your body"? There are no pigs here. |
| 19:06.32 | tensai | ~wake harleypig |
| 19:06.33 | ibot | harleypig: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 19:06.34 | ^Migs^ | can you drain cholesterol or something, like you drain fat? |
| 19:07.00 | levi | ^Migs^: I think he thought I was justifying the intake of so much cholesterol. |
| 19:07.23 | tensai | levi: correct |
| 19:07.45 | tensai | "I done ate me a piggie brain, now I'm more smarter" |
| 19:08.30 | levi | If it was all HDL cholesterol, it might not be that bad for you. I imagine it's not, though. |
| 19:08.53 | levi | But it wouldn't affect your brain chemistry either way. |
| 19:09.24 | levi | Unless it helped form plaque in your brain blood vessels, that is. |
| 19:09.33 | tensai | levi: so does each cell manufacture its own cholesterol? |
| 19:12.49 | levi | tensai: That's what the article I read seemed to be saying. |
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| 19:19.51 | goozbach | oh noes it's sjansen!!! |
| 19:20.13 | sjansen | Oh yes! |
| 19:20.31 | goozbach | cool |
| 19:20.39 | goozbach | welcome back |
| 19:20.55 | goozbach | nw? nuvox.net? |
| 19:21.01 | goozbach | let me guess where you are |
| 19:21.31 | goozbach | south carolina? |
| 19:23.07 | goozbach | how bout KS? |
| 19:23.13 | goozbach | MO? |
| 19:23.16 | goozbach | IL? |
| 19:23.23 | goozbach | AR? |
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| 19:24.40 | Jayce^ | sjansen, elg has been trying to get ahold of you |
| 19:25.51 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 19:28.36 | xbmodder_newlapp | how far is st. george from provo? |
| 19:28.58 | elg | some hours |
| 19:29.35 | xbmodder_newlapp | 5-6? |
| 19:29.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | is there a SGLUG? |
| 19:30.28 | ^Migs^ | I can get from Provo to St. George in 3 |
| 19:31.54 | ^Migs^ | possibly 2 |
| 19:32.18 | ^Migs^ | maybe 1 |
| 19:32.32 | xbmodder_newlapp | ... |
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| 19:34.07 | xbmodder_newlapp | hi tiwula |
| 19:34.42 | elg | ^Migs^: heh, probably not 1 |
| 19:34.43 | goozbach | xbmodder_newlapp: going the speed limit right at 6 hours |
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| 19:35.10 | ^Migs^ | I prefer to travel no slower than 300 MPH |
| 19:35.44 | goozbach | xbmodder_newlapp: looking no moving to St George? |
| 19:35.57 | ^Migs^ | if I had a private plane, I could commute to St. George from Roy |
| 19:36.00 | ^Migs^ | that would be cool |
| 19:36.10 | ^Migs^ | I should do that |
| 19:36.11 | xbmodder_newlapp | gas = $$$ |
| 19:36.17 | elg | a private plane that goes 300mph |
| 19:36.19 | elg | aka a jet |
| 19:36.26 | ^Migs^ | maybe I could carpool/planepool with someone |
| 19:36.31 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 19:36.37 | ^Migs^ | jets go a lot faster than 300mph, you know |
| 19:36.41 | elg | yes |
| 19:36.44 | xbmodder_newlapp | I think the carpool idea would work better |
| 19:36.48 | elg | but little one-props go a lot slower than 300 knots |
| 19:36.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | you could go at -- maybe 90? |
| 19:37.06 | ^Migs^ | a normal plane would go about 300 mph, methinks |
| 19:37.22 | ^Migs^ | I bet someone goes to St. George from Ogden every day. I'll have to find out. |
| 19:37.49 | ^Migs^ | does Provo have an airport? |
| 19:38.08 | goozbach | yup |
| 19:38.26 | ^Migs^ | maybe I could fly down to Provo every day for a job |
| 19:38.36 | ^Migs^ | I should get a pilot's license |
| 19:38.48 | ^Migs^ | can you get a pilot's license if you wear contacts? |
| 19:39.00 | elg | ^Migs^: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_172 "The normal cruising speed for a fixed-gear 172 ranges from about 105 to 125 knots, depending on the engine and vintage." |
| 19:39.11 | ^Migs^ | we were talking MPH, elg, not knots |
| 19:39.16 | elg | some faster planes will cruise around 200 knots, maybe higher |
| 19:39.22 | ^Migs^ | pay attention, elg |
| 19:40.07 | elg | 300 mph = 260 knots |
| 19:40.42 | elg | as long as your eyesight's not abysmal you should be able to |
| 19:40.55 | ^Migs^ | knots are used for ships, elg. We're talking about planes. Pay attention. |
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| 19:42.02 | tensai | ^Migs^: yeah, that's it. I'm sure elg doesn't know what he's talking about. </sarcasm> |
| 19:43.06 | elg | tensai: it's ok, he probably doesn't realize he's talking to the guy that in spite of being a cheapskate finally bought a 3d video card for the sole purpose of running FlightGear. :) |
| 19:43.20 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 19:43.34 | ^Migs^ | of course he doesn't, tensai |
| 19:44.06 | elg | there, see |
| 19:44.44 | elg | ^Migs^: I wonder if you could make money as a private commuter jet pilot. that could be a good life |
| 19:45.09 | elg | fly people one direction in the morning, go to your daily haunt with wireless and a laptop |
| 19:45.32 | elg | then fly back at night. do programming freelance during the day while the business saps speak into those phone things |
| 19:45.38 | elg | and have meetings and so on |
| 19:45.44 | ^Migs^ | that'd be cool |
| 19:46.18 | elg | or maybe being the pilot for a big corp. those guys get to fly all over. but in all those novels their planes crash and they all die, so maybe not |
| 19:46.50 | ^Migs^ | I could just set it on autopilot and do freelance work WHILE I'm on the plane. So I'd be getting paid for freelancing AND for flying. |
| 19:47.22 | ^Migs^ | then I could fly myself and everyone to our jobs, and even work a regular job too. |
| 19:48.17 | ^Migs^ | and THEN while I'm working my regular job, I could lease out the plane for the day. I could make SO much money doing this, omg |
| 19:48.39 | elg | heh. until sjansen crashes your plane while leasing it on thursday |
| 19:48.51 | ^Migs^ | sjansen can keep his sticky fingers off my plane |
| 19:49.37 | goozbach | WOAH!! that was a big hiccup |
| 19:49.50 | goozbach | level3 just had a big issue |
| 19:49.58 | goozbach | it was cool to watch on mtr |
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| 19:50.18 | ^Migs^ | I SO want to be an aerocommuter now |
| 19:50.20 | levi | Huh, there's an article on nerve.com about the SLC escort companies. |
| 19:50.55 | levi | Subtitled, 'my job at an escort agency for Mormons' |
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| 19:52.24 | levi | I wondered what kind of stuff it had to say about mormons. |
| 19:53.11 | ^Migs^ | a helicopter would be more appropriate |
| 19:53.28 | levi | Not much, really, aside from the fact that some of them bend the law of chastity pretty far. |
| 19:54.28 | levi | Apparently escort services are covers for prostitution in most other states, but not in Utah. |
| 19:54.51 | ^Migs^ | that's weird |
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| 19:56.17 | xbmodder_newlapp | beandog, hey! |
| 19:56.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~gentoo |
| 19:56.34 | ibot | from memory, gentoo is different than ubuntu (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/) the one true distro |
| 19:56.34 | beandog | yay gentoo :D |
| 19:56.43 | beandog | woots |
| 19:56.49 | xbmodder_newlapp | There are all gentoo haters here |
| 19:56.51 | xbmodder_newlapp | *hides* |
| 19:56.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 19:57.32 | beandog | it's true, they're not l33t. ;) |
| 19:58.40 | beandog | xbmodder_newlapp: arent you a gentoo dev, or something? |
| 19:58.49 | beandog | I know ive seen your name somewhere. |
| 19:59.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | no, for some reason alotta people think that I am one, but I used to hang out in #gentoo alot |
| 20:00.23 | beandog | ah okay. |
| 20:04.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | Whats a good, free IDE |
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| 20:04.17 | xbmodder_newlapp | other than kdevelop |
| 20:05.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | This class wants me to buy one |
| 20:11.27 | tensai | what language(s)? |
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| 20:13.04 | flyboy^ | So, has anyone experienced any issues with this whole freenode o:line hijack thing? |
| 20:14.06 | tensai | I noticed I wasted a lot of time in that announcement channel yesterday |
| 20:14.14 | emcnabb | the longest RPM package name ever goes to... |
| 20:14.16 | emcnabb | iscsitarget-kernel-0.4.13-0.1266.1_2.6.17_1.2139_FC5xen0.i386.rpm |
| 20:14.39 | xbmodder_newlapp | c++ |
| 20:14.49 | flyboy^ | Humm, that is one LOOONGGGG version number. :) |
| 20:14.58 | emcnabb | haha |
| 20:15.14 | emcnabb | 0.4.13-0.1266.1 - version of iscsitarget |
| 20:15.22 | emcnabb | 2.6.17_1.2139_FC5xen0 - kernel version |
| 20:15.33 | emcnabb | it took me a sec to parse that the first time :-) |
| 20:16.16 | flyboy^ | But not as long as: vista.v5.v6.v7.v8.v2005.no.v2006.no.v2007?.maybe.beta1.release3.patch4.3.12.34.2.3.1.34.3.3.when.will.it.come? |
| 20:17.20 | emcnabb | haha, nope |
| 20:17.27 | flyboy^ | Has anyone played around with the NoMachine NX stuff? |
| 20:25.37 | tensai | flyboy^: I believe mtorrie has, if you can find him |
| 20:25.51 | tensai | xbmodder_newlapp: why doesn't kdevelop work for you? |
| 20:26.34 | tensai | xbmodder_newlapp: check out eclipse and anjuta. my personal favorite is vim + make. |
| 20:26.37 | xbmodder_newlapp | tensai, because it has to be able to run through cygwin |
| 20:26.51 | tensai | well, eclipse runs on windows natively |
| 20:27.45 | xbmodder_newlapp | yeah |
| 20:27.54 | xbmodder_newlapp | I decided to use dev-c++ |
| 20:28.31 | tensai | ah, yeah. I used that one a long time ago. seemed to work decently. |
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| 20:51.45 | goozbach | herlo, sjansen: got your ears on? |
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| 21:09.15 | herlo | goozbach: what's up? |
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| 21:17.12 | ^Migs^ | someone should lobby against the government to offer us free phone service, free TV service, free electric, free gas, free sewage, etc. and impose higher taxes |
| 21:17.15 | ^Migs^ | I would totally be for that |
| 21:17.19 | ^Migs^ | and FREE bottled water. ZOMG! |
| 21:17.35 | amcnabb | That's a terrible idea. |
| 21:17.41 | ^Migs^ | why? |
| 21:17.46 | ^Migs^ | Taxes benefit everyone |
| 21:17.51 | amcnabb | You should take an economics class. |
| 21:18.17 | ^Migs^ | what snobbery. You assume I'm not already well-versed in economics. |
| 21:19.05 | amcnabb | These resources all cost money, but you suggest that the people who use the resources should not pay for them. |
| 21:19.19 | ^Migs^ | when did I suggest that? |
| 21:19.23 | amcnabb | That means that people will use more than they need. |
| 21:19.51 | ^Migs^ | we can let the bureaucrats work that out. That's what our taxes PAY them for after all, isn't it? That's why we elect them, to figure out stuff like this. |
| 21:20.19 | ^Migs^ | taxes are cool |
| 21:20.49 | amcnabb | So, anybody read any good websites recently? |
| 21:22.39 | ^Migs^ | maybe you should spend more time learning something from your economics classes than browsing web sites, amcnabb |
| 21:23.03 | levi | ^Migs^: Having fun trolling? :) |
| 21:23.04 | ^Migs^ | have you ever used the postal service? |
| 21:23.11 | ^Migs^ | how am I trolling? |
| 21:23.17 | levi | I've listened to the Postal Service. |
| 21:24.12 | ^Migs^ | I pay taxes for the postal service, because I don't want to deliver my own mail. That's why I have someone else do it. |
| 21:24.13 | levi | Their CDs aren't free, though. |
| 21:24.32 | levi | Last time I sent a letter, it wasn't free either. |
| 21:24.37 | ^Migs^ | exactly |
| 21:24.49 | levi | precicsely. |
| 21:24.58 | levi | Er, precisely. |
| 21:25.06 | ^Migs^ | you pay taxes to have someone else send your mail. That's why taxes are cool, and why we should pay extra taxes so our basic utilities are taken care of. |
| 21:25.19 | levi | Your logic is astounding! |
| 21:25.20 | ^Migs^ | We even pay taxes so our kids can get an education. Do you realize what a sweet deal that is? |
| 21:26.02 | ^Migs^ | no one has yet refuted anything I've said. Instead, I've only been met with snide snorts and "OMG U R STUPID TAK A CLASS!!L!Llolo1lolollooololololol" |
| 21:26.16 | ^Migs^ | WHY, praytell, is it a bad idea? |
| 21:26.19 | levi | ^Migs^: You know, we could turn our entire paychecks over to the government, and then let the government provide all our needs! |
| 21:26.35 | amcnabb | ^Migs^, Snorts are all you deserve |
| 21:26.35 | [phoenyx] | what if you don't watch TV? Why should I pay taxes so that other people can watch TV for free? |
| 21:26.41 | ^Migs^ | that's an interesting idea, but it doesn't sit well with our capitalist economy. |
| 21:27.23 | ^Migs^ | [phoenyx]: So? What if I don't have kids that attend public school. What if I don't use the postal service? What if I don't use government welfare programs? |
| 21:27.24 | levi | ^Migs^: Who needs capitalism when the government is taking care of providing everything for free? |
| 21:27.32 | ^Migs^ | I still pay taxes so others can benefit from them. Same with TV. |
| 21:27.45 | ^Migs^ | because the government can only contract out so much |
| 21:28.28 | ^Migs^ | Do you honestly want corporations funding our schools? |
| 21:28.33 | levi | OK, I'm bored of this now. You'll have to carry on in my absence. |
| 21:28.40 | ^Migs^ | no one cares if you're bored, levi |
| 21:28.52 | levi | Good, I'm glad I'm not making anyone feel bad. |
| 21:28.53 | ^Migs^ | all you did was ridicule me without providing any clear example of why you were doing so |
| 21:29.34 | ^Migs^ | It's easy to assault someone's character and make them look bad, isn't it? |
| 21:30.34 | [phoenyx] | public transportation, public education, etc. benefit society as a whole and there is greater benefit from pooling resources. I don't buy the free TV thing |
| 21:31.09 | ^Migs^ | okay, no free TV then. Fine with me. It was an idea out of many "necessities" that could be granted for "free" from our government with higher taxes |
| 21:31.16 | bonez39 | any apache guru here now? |
| 21:31.36 | Tene | apache user |
| 21:31.49 | ^Migs^ | I, for one, don't want corporations running our lives. We'd all be eating twinkies, using Microsoft, smoking cigarettes, and having McDonald's provide school lunches if that were the case |
| 21:31.54 | bonez39 | Tene, ok, I am trying to restart apache2... |
| 21:32.22 | bonez39 | i run /usr/sbin/apache2ctl restart and get this > apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/sql-ledger-httpd.conf |
| 21:32.42 | bonez39 | Tene, this despite the fact that I have no sql-ledger-httpd.conf file in /etc/apache2.. I deleted it |
| 21:32.52 | Tene | and that's the problem |
| 21:33.02 | Tene | one of your other config files is referencing that file |
| 21:33.14 | Tene | cd /etc/apache2 ; grep -inr sql-ledger * |
| 21:33.35 | [phoenyx] | I don't eat twinkies, use Microsoft(much), smoke or eat McDonald's |
| 21:34.12 | tensai | ok, now I remember why I had ^Migs^ ignored. back on the list you go. |
| 21:34.20 | ^Migs^ | taxes solve so many problems |
| 21:34.41 | JoshH | corporations don't control our lives already? |
| 21:34.43 | macnewbold | anybody watching the swiss/ukraine world cup game? |
| 21:35.08 | ^Migs^ | I think the problem is that many people have this idea drilled into their head that "TAXES = BAD KTHXBYE" but that's not really true. You pay to have a government take care of, and watch out for you, and provide you with numerous perks |
| 21:36.03 | ^Migs^ | I ENJOY paying taxes, because I know I'm being watched out for. |
| 21:36.09 | JoshH | how does it watch out for you? |
| 21:36.26 | herlo | ^Migs^: that drips with sarcasm... |
| 21:36.27 | Jayce^ | $@$#%@#% grub |
| 21:36.37 | Jayce^ | error 17 and no chance to fix it |
| 21:36.48 | ^Migs^ | I have the military defending me, I get to put kids in public schools, I have officials which I helped elect looking out for my best interests, I have a postal service that I can use to send mail to anyone in the country... |
| 21:36.55 | ^Migs^ | how does the goverment NOT watch out for me |
| 21:37.43 | ^Migs^ | would you rather be like some African countries, with a handful corrupt ridiculously wealthy bureaucrats, and everyone else starving in the streets? |
| 21:37.56 | ^Migs^ | see, we're not like that, because we pay our taxes and our government taxes care of |
| 21:37.57 | JoshH | well, many people don't think public schools are all that great, and many people don't think their elected officials give a crap about their best interests |
| 21:38.09 | findlay | they don't make sure you conform with the government's wishes, yet |
| 21:38.11 | Uncle_Jesse | hah! I need to get this for my wife: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/ladies/38f0/ |
| 21:38.13 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: #!/usr/bin/girl] |
| 21:38.15 | JoshH | or even know what their best interests are |
| 21:39.02 | Uncle_Jesse | then this for my boy: http://www.thinkgeek.com/oreilly/tshirts/5bcc/ |
| 21:39.03 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Perl Creeper & Toddler Tee] |
| 21:39.37 | ^Migs^ | if you don't think public schools are all that great, let your elected official know. If you don't think your elected official is that great, don't elect them. |
| 21:39.38 | ^Migs^ | It's that simple. |
| 21:39.49 | goozbach | herlo: you at the office? |
| 21:40.09 | ^Migs^ | that's why we elect officials, so we have someone to listen to all the crap people less intelligent than them have to say. It's their JOB to listen to us. |
| 21:40.19 | JoshH | i didn't vote for anyone who is currently in office in utah or in washington, thousands of people make it clear to the state legislature every year that our schools suck, and nothing ever happens |
| 21:40.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't think our public schools are all that great which is why we continue our kids education at home |
| 21:40.21 | goozbach | ask dax what that thin client was he bought for cody's desk |
| 21:41.21 | JoshH | ^Migs^: the government watches out for the best interests of corporations, for the most part |
| 21:41.24 | Uncle_Jesse | what's everyones' favorite cpan csv parsing module here? |
| 21:41.31 | ^Migs^ | I think our schools are great, personally. At least the ones in my district. |
| 21:41.48 | Tene | Uncle_Jesse: isn't there a DBD for csv? |
| 21:41.58 | JoshH | my schools got the job done, but they didn't do anything that a private school couldn't have done a lot better |
| 21:42.05 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: yeah - but I don't need to write one - just need to parse it |
| 21:42.25 | macnewbold | php's got a good csv parser |
| 21:42.37 | macnewbold | but it isn't on cpan |
| 21:42.39 | Tene | http://search.cpan.org/~jzucker/DBD-CSV-0.22/lib/DBD/CSV.pm |
| 21:42.40 | macnewbold | last I checked |
| 21:42.43 | Uncle_Jesse | and it's not perl :-P |
| 21:42.52 | ^Migs^ | there was an episode of My Name is Earl where Earl learns how cool it is to pay taxes, and how much paying taxes benefits everyone. In the end, he gets stuck in an empty water tower with his brother Randy, but the government went into motion to get him out. |
| 21:43.04 | ^Migs^ | He got fined only $500, even though it cost $4000 to retrieve him, but even though he offered to write them a check on the spot for the $4000, he didn't have to, because the government provides rescue services for free to taxpayers. |
| 21:43.26 | Tene | And thus we learn that TV has all the answers! |
| 21:43.27 | ^Migs^ | even though that was just a TV episode, it demonstrates an important point. We're paying our taxes to have our government take care of us, and they do. |
| 21:43.35 | JoshH | paying taxes is one thing, but paying ridiculously high taxes is another |
| 21:43.40 | ^Migs^ | real-life rescues happen all the time |
| 21:43.42 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 21:43.52 | ^Migs^ | who said anything about ridiculously high taxes? |
| 21:44.07 | ^Migs^ | I simply said I wouldn't mind paying extra to have some extra 'free' services |
| 21:44.32 | findlay | like having the government remember your financial information? |
| 21:44.32 | Tene | Uncle_Jesse: http://search.cpan.org/~jzucker/DBD-CSV-0.22/lib/DBD/CSV.pm |
| 21:44.40 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: is that your favorite? |
| 21:44.42 | Uncle_Jesse | and why? |
| 21:44.44 | ^Migs^ | like free bottled water. I'm already paying taxes for clean filtered water delivered straight to my home. I pay taxes on that because I don't want to drink yucky salt water. |
| 21:44.55 | Tene | I've never done anything with csv, but if I was going to, that's what I'd use. |
| 21:45.08 | ^Migs^ | I imagine free bottled water for everone would likely only cost a few extra cents in taxes. I don't mind paying a few pennies to get unlimited bottled water. |
| 21:45.19 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: just to read a csv file? |
| 21:45.21 | ^Migs^ | It's just the next logical step. |
| 21:45.24 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 21:45.37 | Tene | it's a standard interface that i'm already familiar with |
| 21:45.41 | JoshH | what about your tap water? |
| 21:45.56 | ^Migs^ | exactly |
| 21:46.02 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone else have a favorite cpan csv parser? |
| 21:46.08 | ^Migs^ | I'm paying for that, JoshH, because my government takes care of me. |
| 21:46.11 | ^Migs^ | good example |
| 21:46.31 | Uncle_Jesse | DBD::CSV is a bit much for simple csv parsing IMO |
| 21:46.44 | Tene | Why? |
| 21:47.14 | JoshH | well, personally i don't have a problem with taxation itself, but i do feel it should be kept to services that are typically considered necessary, like military, police, roads, etc |
| 21:47.22 | JoshH | i don't want to pay extra for bottled water or tv |
| 21:47.24 | *** join/#utah synic (n=squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic) |
| 21:47.30 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: There are so many more libraries I can use that will just convert it to an array or hash - why submit an entire select statement for something that can be done automatically? |
| 21:47.33 | JoshH | i don't mind watching tv for free with advertisements, especially with a tivo |
| 21:49.19 | Tene | okay, while(<>){ my @fields = m/([^,]+),|$/g;} |
| 21:49.40 | Tene | with a lookbehind to handle escapes |
| 21:50.37 | Uncle_Jesse | don't forget possible quoted records |
| 21:51.02 | ^Migs^ | what is "considered necessary" is really a cultural thing |
| 21:51.14 | Uncle_Jesse | is there a standard somewhere for csv files? |
| 21:51.17 | Tene | use a s/// to convert quoted to escaped |
| 21:51.21 | ^Migs^ | if enough people considered phone service necessary, it would make sense to encourage the government to offer it for free |
| 21:51.29 | ^Migs^ | public education isn't really "necessary" |
| 21:51.41 | synic | anyone know of a way to disable bold font in aterm? |
| 21:51.44 | ^Migs^ | nor is the U.S. Postal Service. There are commercial alternatives. |
| 21:53.02 | JoshH | ^Migs^: exactly, and personally i don't think the government should handle those things |
| 21:53.15 | JoshH | if someone wants to send a letter across the country, let them pay for it on their own |
| 21:53.25 | JoshH | we don't need a postal service |
| 21:53.31 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I'm just going to use Text::CSV::Simple |
| 21:53.37 | Uncle_Jesse | no sense reinventing the wheel |
| 21:53.48 | ^Migs^ | I tend to agree. Someone should start a campaign to shut down the postal service. |
| 21:54.02 | ^Migs^ | See, we can do that because we pay taxes to have elected officials help us make maneuvers like that. |
| 21:54.33 | ^Migs^ | I don't think it would happen, personally, but if enough people in the culture think it's useless, then it makes sense and the government will discontinue the USPS |
| 21:54.44 | ^Migs^ | thank goodness for taxes |
| 21:54.48 | [phoenyx] | ^Migss^: so you are for bottled water, but against the postal service? |
| 21:54.58 | ^Migs^ | these are hypothetical scenarios, [phoenyx] |
| 21:55.05 | ^Migs^ | I personally think bottled water would be cool, though |
| 21:55.27 | JoshH | i buy bottled spring water |
| 21:55.28 | ^Migs^ | perhaps free college education would be nice, too. It would be the next logical step from our public education. |
| 21:55.47 | JoshH | a gallon is like 60 cents at walmart, and you can get a bunch of convenient bottles for 5 bucks at costco |
| 21:55.54 | macnewbold | there's too much difference between one college education and another to make it all the same price |
| 21:55.55 | ^Migs^ | JoshH: now wouldn't it be cool if that stuff you bought was free and you could have unlimited bottled spring water, in exchange for a few extra tax pennies? |
| 21:55.57 | JoshH | but someone else who doesn't drink it shouldn't have to pay taxes for it |
| 21:56.06 | ^Migs^ | we already went over this, JoshH |
| 21:56.14 | macnewbold | bottled water is such a waste... tap water here is great |
| 21:56.17 | macnewbold | unless you're in magna |
| 21:56.18 | ^Migs^ | people pay taxes as a community, not as individuals. |
| 21:56.31 | ^Migs^ | that's how taxes work |
| 21:56.39 | macnewbold | no, we pay taxes as a community _and_ as individuals, if anything |
| 21:56.46 | ^Migs^ | plenty of people will never take advantage of our public education, yet they still pay taxes on it |
| 21:56.48 | JoshH | macnewbold: heh my condo's water tastes like dirt |
| 21:56.50 | macnewbold | cause I'm an individual, and I sure pay em |
| 21:57.05 | macnewbold | then you might have a reason for bottled... what city are you in? |
| 21:57.13 | ^Migs^ | I pay taxes to keep our space program in motion, although I will likely never travel into space |
| 21:57.13 | JoshH | ^Migs^: of course, the more kids you have in the system the less you pay |
| 21:57.14 | tensai | macnewbold: I did a blind taste test between my tap water and filtered. I could easily tell the difference. |
| 21:57.20 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 21:57.23 | JoshH | just because that's how it works doesn't mean it's right |
| 21:57.26 | ^Migs^ | it's a beautiful system of balance |
| 21:58.05 | ^Migs^ | tensai, yes, but you're not drinking salt water infested with fish diarrhea. Thank your taxes for that. |
| 21:58.18 | JoshH | if you want to educate yourself or your children, you should pay for it. people with no kids or who don't want to learn anything should be able to keep their money. |
| 21:58.41 | ^Migs^ | many people do. There's private schools. |
| 21:59.05 | JoshH | but they still pay taxes for public schools |
| 21:59.12 | ^Migs^ | exactly |
| 21:59.18 | JoshH | so what is your point? |
| 21:59.18 | ^Migs^ | that's one example of how we pay taxes as a community |
| 21:59.23 | ^Migs^ | to benefit EVERYONE |
| 21:59.34 | ^Migs^ | your approach is more of a selfish one, JoshH, although I can understand it. |
| 21:59.43 | JoshH | how does it benefit me when the smith kids down the street go goof off in class all day? |
| 22:00.04 | JoshH | because their teacher isn't allowed to yell at them, can't control all 53 of them, etc |
| 22:00.16 | ^Migs^ | you're paying them to be in school, because it keeps them off the streets and vandalizing your house |
| 22:00.26 | mheath | JoshH, You forget one thing. |
| 22:00.34 | mheath | Not everyone has responsible parents |
| 22:00.42 | JoshH | you don't think they would be at home or at their friends houses if they weren't in school? |
| 22:00.46 | mheath | and not everyone has parents who can afford private education. |
| 22:00.49 | ^Migs^ | some of them |
| 22:00.51 | JoshH | also, i take it you haven't lived on a street lots of school kids walk down... |
| 22:01.02 | JoshH | if you think they don't vandalize |
| 22:01.04 | Uncle_Jesse | I could care less what my kids are taught in school or what the other kids are learning - I ensure they are learning what they need to learn at home, after school |
| 22:01.10 | ^Migs^ | mheath, well presumably if we didn't pay taxes on public education, more people would be able to pay for private education |
| 22:01.12 | Uncle_Jesse | school is just for the social experience IMO |
| 22:01.28 | ^Migs^ | but the great thing is, we have a decent public education practically for FREE |
| 22:01.29 | harleypig | argh ... map.byu.edu gives me this smarmy You have an old version of Macromedia Flash Player that cannot play the content we've created. |
| 22:01.30 | ^Migs^ | that's INCREDIBLE |
| 22:01.33 | harleypig | Why not download and install the latest version now? It will only take a moment." |
| 22:01.36 | harleypig | woops |
| 22:01.40 | mheath | ^Migs^, Sorry, that isn't true. Private education costs far more than the amount of your taxes that goes towards education. |
| 22:01.43 | harleypig | That's annoying! |
| 22:01.47 | mheath | Unless your rather rich. |
| 22:02.03 | ^Migs^ | exactly, mheath, which is why JoshH's proposal to do away with public education makes no sense |
| 22:02.15 | JoshH | mheath: if more people used private schools, there would be more competitive pricing |
| 22:02.19 | Uncle_Jesse | all my kids are required to do extra homework we assign them after school so they get ahead |
| 22:02.22 | harleypig | anyone know of a map of byu campus that *doesn't* require the latest flash, or even better, is just a plain jpg or png or wahtever. |
| 22:02.26 | mheath | JoshH, Look at history. |
| 22:02.26 | ^Migs^ | plus it would impact the economy. Fewer people would be motivated to put their kids in school if they had to pay for it, and we'd end up with a generation of idiots incapable of succeeding in the current business world |
| 22:02.57 | JoshH | if our public school system would undergo a major transformation, and actually make our kids as smart as kids in india and japan, i would probably be a lot more for it |
| 22:03.01 | ^Migs^ | I think JoshH has a basic grasp of the issue, but his brain is failing to grasp some important, key points |
| 22:03.06 | mheath | JoshH, I work with a lot of migrant workers. Many of them have children. These people work full time jobs, juts to pay for housing, food, etc..... |
| 22:03.22 | JoshH | but basically our public schools are glorified day care centers |
| 22:03.23 | mheath | They can't afford private education, though they do pay taxes. |
| 22:03.37 | ^Migs^ | India's school systems are deplorable compared to ours |
| 22:03.54 | ^Migs^ | Japan's school system succeeds largely because of Japanese culture |
| 22:03.55 | JoshH | in some ways yes |
| 22:04.02 | harleypig | found one ... pdf ... but buried .. |
| 22:04.05 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure we could emulate that so well in the U.S. |
| 22:04.06 | mheath | JoshH, Huh? I learned computer programming, calculus, physics, engineering design, drafting, video production, photography, and other traits in our public school system. |
| 22:04.07 | JoshH | but our kids are close to the bottom when it comes to learning |
| 22:04.11 | mheath | JoshH, how is that 'glorified day care system'? |
| 22:04.12 | ^Migs^ | no they're not |
| 22:04.42 | ^Migs^ | you must have gone to crappy ghetto schools or something, JoshH |
| 22:04.56 | mheath | Probably. |
| 22:04.57 | JoshH | most public schools are crappy and ghetto |
| 22:05.02 | mheath | No, they're not. |
| 22:05.04 | JoshH | mine were middle of the road |
| 22:05.06 | ^Migs^ | I, for one, learned numerous skills in my public schools, like mheath |
| 22:05.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I think we rely on our schools too much to teach our children. We forget that the best teaching can occur at home. I'd rather more money go into programs for that than the school systems. (btw, my kids *do* go to public school) |
| 22:06.23 | ^Migs^ | I attribute my current success to public school |
| 22:06.23 | JoshH | mheath: have you ever lived in or attended school in a big city school district? |
| 22:06.23 | ^Migs^ | I think we need to find a balance between both |
| 22:06.24 | Uncle_Jesse | it's the parents, not the teachers and schools failures, no matter what we pay them, for kids lack of education |
| 22:06.24 | mheath | ^Migs^, we've done that. Charter schools, vouchers, etc. |
| 22:06.24 | ^Migs^ | mheath belonged to a fairly large school district |
| 22:06.24 | JoshH | do you think kids going to public schools in detroit are able to sign up for video production classes? |
| 22:06.31 | Uncle_Jesse | more education needs to go into getting parents to teach their kids beyond what is taught in school and the problem will be fixed |
| 22:06.46 | mheath | JoshH, do you think the parents of inner city detroit children can afford to send them to private schools? |
| 22:06.53 | ^Migs^ | instead of whining about it, JoshH, do something about it. Remember, you're paying taxes to have government officials listen to you whine. |
| 22:07.00 | JoshH | Uncle_Jesse: that's a big part of the problem, parents expect public school teachers to raise their children for them. |
| 22:07.11 | Uncle_Jesse | JoshH: definitely |
| 22:07.32 | findlay | why are we picking on Detroit? After all they have one of the best symphony orchestras in the United States |
| 22:07.32 | JoshH | mheath: some, yes |
| 22:07.33 | Uncle_Jesse | my kids school is always surprised that our kids are ahead - we just pay attention when they get home |
| 22:07.42 | JoshH | but if they can't, i still don't see why it should come out of my wallet |
| 22:07.48 | mheath | JoshH, what about the rest? |
| 22:07.51 | ^Migs^ | because you live in a society, JoshH |
| 22:08.02 | JoshH | the rest of what? |
| 22:08.12 | ^Migs^ | you're also paying for people to live in free housing, be on welfare, be in prison... |
| 22:08.15 | Uncle_Jesse | I do want the ability to pick my kids school still so I can pick the school that does the best with what it has |
| 22:08.16 | mheath | JoshH, its to assure quality of life for everyone. Like social security. |
| 22:08.30 | Uncle_Jesse | most of the chartere schools do well because they sacrifice in areas that other schools do not |
| 22:08.37 | ^Migs^ | the problem is that people like you think you don't have anything to do with anyone else, when just the opposite is true. |
| 22:08.40 | JoshH | ^Migs^: if i had it my way, our prisons would have a lot fewer inmates, i wouldn't pay a dime for anyone's free housing, or welfare |
| 22:08.58 | JoshH | social security isn't assuring anything, at least for me |
| 22:09.07 | ^Migs^ | so what exactly WOULD you pay taxes for, JoshH? |
| 22:09.32 | ^Migs^ | I think you haven't been paying attention to anything I've been saying, JoshH. |
| 22:09.36 | mheath | JoshH, LMAO. Its assuring that nothing like the depression every happens again, to anyone. |
| 22:09.56 | mheath | Its assuring that little old ladies who worked hard their whole life but never landed a good job with a retirement or pension don't starve to death. |
| 22:10.02 | ^Migs^ | I think JoshH is just a little ignorant of how things really are. |
| 22:10.17 | findlay | what's this LAMO you speak of? |
| 22:10.38 | tensai | Land of Anchovies, Milk and Onions |
| 22:10.46 | JoshH | mheath: why are they my responsibility? |
| 22:10.47 | findlay | awesome! |
| 22:10.54 | mheath | ^Migs^, I find it odd that he says he grew up in large, poor schools, yet he says we should do away with schools when they're the only things that bring lots of kids in that category out of destitution. |
| 22:11.02 | ^Migs^ | because you would want the same treatment, JoshH |
| 22:11.14 | ^Migs^ | I agree, mheath |
| 22:11.20 | ^Migs^ | I don't think JoshH is connecting all the dots |
| 22:11.24 | JoshH | actually i wouldn't expect others to be forced to take care of me |
| 22:11.28 | JoshH | what am i missing migs |
| 22:11.46 | ^Migs^ | then perhaps living in a society really isn't for you, JoshH |
| 22:11.50 | JoshH | what am i not putting together |
| 22:12.05 | JoshH | i like living in a society just fine, i just wish our society was a little different |
| 22:12.07 | ^Migs^ | you could go to Ethiopia or something and just fend for yourself, while corrupt aristocrats live in luxury |
| 22:12.25 | mheath | JoshH, Think of it this way: We pay for these kids to go to school, so they can learn the basics of life, get a college education, and contribute _back_ to society in a way more meaningful than flipping burgers or picking produe |
| 22:12.27 | mheath | *produce. |
| 22:12.56 | JoshH | not a lot go to college, and we need people to flip burgers and pick produce |
| 22:13.08 | ^Migs^ | yet you wish things were "better," and you're paying taxes to have elected officials help it get better, because they listen to you, but from what it sounds like, you'd prefer not even to pay taxes for that. You'd rather just wallow in misery. |
| 22:13.17 | ^Migs^ | agreed, mheath |
| 22:13.35 | findlay | lol |
| 22:13.58 | mheath | OK, what do I do when my dog isn't digesting _anything_ (he's throwing up food like a day after he ate it, with no signs of breakdown...the hard dog food is almost intact, just soggy) |
| 22:14.20 | flyboy^ | mheath: Get him to a vet quickly. |
| 22:15.02 | flyboy^ | mheath: Is your dog loosing weight? |
| 22:15.19 | Uncle_Jesse | JoshH: I agree with you in a lot of what you're saying. Many of the inmates could be going through programs to actually solve the problems they're in for |
| 22:15.21 | mheath | flyboy^, he's skinny. He's a _very_ old dog. |
| 22:15.26 | mheath | 13-14 years, IIRC |
| 22:15.33 | Uncle_Jesse | many shouldn't even be there |
| 22:15.34 | mheath | He's been skinny. |
| 22:15.46 | flyboy^ | mheath: Has he seemed unusually lathargic? |
| 22:15.53 | ^Migs^ | JoshH probably doesn't even want to pay taxes for our court systems to process criminals. |
| 22:15.58 | mheath | flyboy^, he's been pretty lathargic for a few years. |
| 22:15.59 | ^Migs^ | best to let them run around |
| 22:16.01 | JoshH | Uncle_Jesse: ya, meanwhile, convicted rapists are being released every day |
| 22:16.07 | Uncle_Jesse | JoshH: agreed |
| 22:16.10 | flyboy^ | mheath: But nothing recent? |
| 22:16.14 | JoshH | ^Migs^: actually i specifically said earlier that military and police were things that i do think taxes should cover |
| 22:16.20 | ^Migs^ | that's a problem with the system itself, not with taxes |
| 22:16.27 | mheath | flyboy^, he lost his vision years ago, lost his hearing recently.....He pretty much just lays around all day. |
| 22:16.30 | mheath | flyboy^, not really. |
| 22:16.39 | JoshH | but i don't think we should be imprisoning hookers and nonviolent druggies |
| 22:16.39 | flyboy^ | mheath: Humm, poor guy. |
| 22:16.53 | mheath | He's behving like normal, just has no appetite, and isn't even beginning to digest anyhting he eats |
| 22:16.54 | flyboy^ | mheath: Have you thought about humanly ending his life? |
| 22:17.02 | ^Migs^ | I personally think our court system is amazingly awesome |
| 22:17.06 | Uncle_Jesse | the most prime example is the teacher that had sex with the 18 year old and is getting almost life for it |
| 22:17.12 | JoshH | and i think murderers and rapists should never see the light of day again |
| 22:17.18 | mheath | flyboy^, he hasn't really been in pain. We take him to the vet regualarly, and the vets never recommended that. |
| 22:17.27 | flyboy^ | mheath: Cool. |
| 22:17.42 | flyboy^ | mheath: I actually don't know anything about animals. I just stayed at a holidy express inn last night. |
| 22:17.53 | Uncle_Jesse | JoshH: you and I are right in line with that |
| 22:18.15 | findlay | I don't think so |
| 22:18.33 | Uncle_Jesse | findlay: you don't think we're in line with that? ;-) |
| 22:19.15 | findlay | murder is pretty bad, rape is not as bad, but killing people no matter what their crimes is a heavy responsibility |
| 22:19.35 | JoshH | findlay: but they shouldn |
| 22:19.40 | JoshH | 't get 5 years to life |
| 22:19.50 | mheath | flyboy^, haha |
| 22:19.57 | JoshH | even if you don't agree with the death penalty, you should at least agree that they should spend the rest of their lives in a hole |
| 22:20.00 | JoshH | at least i do |
| 22:20.04 | mheath | oh, jeez....he threw up _everywhere_. |
| 22:20.10 | findlay | JoshH: no, I don't think so |
| 22:20.13 | flyboy^ | JoshH: My 60 year old aunt-in-law was recently charged with felony theft through embezzelment of ~$1,000,000.00. Should she go to jail for the rest of her life? |
| 22:20.18 | mheath | This has got to be like......3 days worth of food |
| 22:20.20 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't agree with the death penalty, but I still don't think they should see the light of day |
| 22:20.22 | mheath | completly undigested |
| 22:20.23 | JoshH | mheath: take him to the vet |
| 22:20.29 | JoshH | flyboy^: depends |
| 22:20.39 | mheath | My dads out of town, not answering the phone, and I don't know what vet he takes him to |
| 22:20.47 | mheath | Nor do I have the money to pay for a visit to the vet |
| 22:20.54 | flyboy^ | JoshH: And that is why there are judges that hand out strange sentances. It seems to always depend on something. |
| 22:21.33 | JoshH | flyboy^: a light sentence is one thing, i was mainly talking about prisons being overcrowded |
| 22:21.37 | Uncle_Jesse | flyboy^: that's when the system is working - it's when they aren't depending on things that there are issues |
| 22:21.43 | Uncle_Jesse | and that's the problem |
| 22:21.56 | Uncle_Jesse | too many cases of judges just passing out sentences without examining the circumstances |
| 22:22.01 | flyboy^ | There are exceptions, but the legal system does try. |
| 22:22.02 | findlay | yes |
| 22:22.56 | JoshH | flyboy^: what punishment do you think would be fair for her? |
| 22:23.04 | JoshH | since i assume you are familiar with the circumstances |
| 22:23.26 | flyboy^ | JoshH: I am. And I feel that I am 100% not qualified to say how much is fair. |
| 22:23.51 | flyboy^ | I trust that the prosecuting attorney, and the judge, actually have her best intrest in mind. |
| 22:24.10 | Uncle_Jesse | flyboy^: I think in her case she should be in a program where she spends her entire life paying back the money she stole |
| 22:24.16 | Uncle_Jesse | or go to jail for not trying |
| 22:24.21 | JoshH | it's in the prosecuting attorney's best interest to make sure she is convicted, even if he thinks she is innocent |
| 22:24.52 | flyboy^ | I have seen a different side in this case. |
| 22:24.53 | Uncle_Jesse | a short term in jail would be good to to knock sense into her, but not long |
| 22:25.09 | findlay | JoshH: not quite. The prosecutor represents the state, the body who's law has been offended. He looks out for the state's interests |
| 22:25.12 | flyboy^ | I've seen law-enforcment agents and legal reps actually trying to assist her the best they can. |
| 22:25.15 | JoshH | a million bucks is a lot though, it's not like stealing candy from 7-11 |
| 22:25.43 | Uncle_Jesse | JoshH: hence spend her entire life paying it back |
| 22:25.46 | JoshH | findlay: his job performance is based on his conviction rate. if the state didn't want her found guilty, there wouldn't be a trial. |
| 22:25.53 | Uncle_Jesse | staying in jail is just going to cost the public more money |
| 22:25.59 | findlay | JoshH: I see |
| 22:26.03 | flyboy^ | It's acutally kind of encouraging to see them try and help, rather than just say 'the law is the law - you will go to jail!' |
| 22:26.30 | flyboy^ | There is no way she could even make a DENT in the million bucks. |
| 22:26.44 | JoshH | did she spend the money after she stole it? |
| 22:26.48 | flyboy^ | She can barley survive now. Who is going to hire her? |
| 22:26.54 | flyboy^ | JoshH: Yes. |
| 22:27.04 | JoshH | what did she buy? |
| 22:27.10 | JoshH | anything that can be returned? |
| 22:27.24 | flyboy^ | JoshH: There may be small incidental things, but it's gone. |
| 22:27.39 | levi | Heh, this is awesome: http://www.rowingbike.com/images/roeibeweging.gif |
| 22:28.04 | JoshH | well, i'm glad it's not my job to decide what her punishment should be then |
| 22:28.15 | flyboy^ | I'm just saying that it's really hard to look at a blaket case, esspecially a complex one, and say "that judge is a moron!" |
| 22:29.21 | JoshH | i agree with that, but the fact that there are plenty of rapists and other criminals who repeatedly offend is an indication that the system isn't close to perfect |
| 22:30.37 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:30.57 | findlay | but "perfect" is probably impossible |
| 22:31.17 | JoshH | and our staggeringly high prison population in itself is also a sign that we aren't doing something right somewhere |
| 22:34.40 | mheath | I don't know what to do =\ |
| 22:34.53 | JoshH | just go to the vet, they can bill you later |
| 22:34.59 | mheath | The vet that my dad usually takes my dog to doesn't do billing. |
| 22:35.11 | mheath | And I have all of $70 to my name right now, until Wednesday. |
| 22:35.40 | mheath | Trying to get a hold of my dad to get a credit card number, but he isn't answering his cell phone |
| 22:37.32 | Tene | Could you discuss it with the vet and see if you can work out a compromise? |
| 22:37.46 | Tene | Maybe he'd be willing to let you pay him on Wednesday. |
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| 22:41.12 | mheath | yeah, the receptionist that I called said she'd talk to the doctor |
| 22:50.32 | macnewbold | so what goes through someone's mind that thinks they can steal $1,000,000 and have no adverse consequences from it? |
| 22:51.07 | macnewbold | as soon as she traveled that path, she pretty much ruined the rest of her life, it's just a matter of when |
| 22:51.14 | macnewbold | and now it caught up to her |
| 22:51.42 | macnewbold | mheath: ask if they'd take $70 as a down payment, since that's all you've got right now |
| 22:52.09 | mheath | What is the proper way to sign a check over to someone else? |
| 22:52.22 | mheath | IE, if I have a check made out to me, I can write something on the back and make it so someone else can cash it, right? |
| 22:53.00 | levi | I think you write something like 'payable to X' and sign below it. |
| 23:06.20 | findlay | man, that is so stupid |
| 23:06.22 | findlay | lol |
| 23:06.59 | findlay | It always gets me when site designers think that putting a bunch of whitespace at the beginning of the page will obfuscate the source |
| 23:10.29 | findlay | they went to the trouble to make this popup to say: "If this field doesn't apply, you must enter 'this is the stupidest website ever'" |
| 23:10.39 | findlay | I mean, duh (: |
| 23:13.48 | findlay | what web authoring environment encourages this kind of brain damage? |
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| 23:35.57 | _dave_ | Does anyone know of a CORBA abstraction layer that doesn't suck? |
| 23:36.07 | _dave_ | And please don't mention bonobo. |
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| 23:44.22 | findlay | I'm sure you could find a python or java or C++ one, maybe even a perl one |
| 23:44.37 | _dave_ | You'd think that wouldn't you. |
| 23:44.42 | findlay | yeah |
| 23:44.43 | _dave_ | Anything from this century would be great. |
| 23:46.15 | findlay | corba is so last century |
| 23:46.30 | _dave_ | Last millennium even. |
| 23:46.35 | findlay | yeah |
| 23:46.55 | _dave_ | My hello world CORBA app generated nearly 500 lines of code. |
| 23:47.10 | findlay | I don't know what even replaced it, seeing that it never really did much |
| 23:47.20 | _dave_ | SOAP/XML-RPC. |
| 23:47.22 | _dave_ | Supposedly. |
| 23:47.28 | findlay | hm |
| 23:48.28 | _dave_ | CORBA supposedly has growing use in embedded systems. |
| 23:49.52 | findlay | http://www.cl-user.net/asp/HddW2/sdataQ1EIcwEu-DvtDQjr-br2ONdG8yBX8yBX8oQ5/sdataQu3F$sSHnB== |
| 23:50.57 | _dave_ | What good is that supposed to do me? |
| 23:51.07 | findlay | it's not bonobo? |
| 23:51.26 | _dave_ | I said, please don't mention bonobo! ;) |
| 23:51.49 | findlay | http://search.cpan.org/search?query=corba |
| 23:52.03 | _dave_ | You don't think I haven't already been down that road? |
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