| 00:10.21 | mheath[laptop]_ | Anyone know of an equiv. to 'lspci' for Windows? |
| 00:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't really one |
| 00:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Just the device manager |
| 00:12.19 | mheath[laptop]_ | I'm looking for something more complete |
| 00:12.34 | mheath[laptop]_ | I mean, with lscpi's database, it would tell me full information about all my devices |
| 00:12.54 | mheath[laptop]_ | Windows just lists my wireless card as being a "Broadcom 802.11g Wireless card". I want a model number. A chipset. |
| 00:13.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Not to be rude, but pretty much |
| 00:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "Good luck have fun, you won't find it" |
| 00:13.59 | mheath[laptop]_ | lspci claims its compatible with Windows, but I can't find a Windows build of it. |
| 00:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ... where does it claim that? |
| 00:14.21 | mheath[laptop]_ | On the lspci website. |
| 00:15.07 | flyboy^ | I remember playing around with something very similar to lspci windows - I wish I could remember the name - but I do recall something like that existing. |
| 00:15.57 | mheath[laptop]_ | Its not really lspci thats desirable, its the database of hardware info that comes with it. |
| 00:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh, well look at that |
| 00:16.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe build it under windows? |
| 00:16.26 | flyboy^ | Ohhh... |
| 00:16.29 | flyboy^ | try msinfo32 |
| 00:19.06 | mheath[laptop]_ | BCM43XX :) |
| 00:19.18 | mheath[laptop]_ | I'm contemplating whether or not to install Ubuntu on here. |
| 00:21.32 | vontrapp | is it bad to not have any questions when an interviewer asks if there's any questions? |
| 00:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd guess usually, yes :) |
| 00:22.04 | mheath[laptop]_ | I don't think so. |
| 00:22.06 | findlay | depends on the kind of questions you would have asked if you had questions |
| 00:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | And on the company |
| 00:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | McDonalds, no :) |
| 00:23.42 | vontrapp | lol |
| 00:24.19 | vontrapp | just wondering, i rarely have questions and when i do i usually ask them right when i have them |
| 00:24.29 | vontrapp | otherwise i forget :p |
| 00:24.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd just ask generic questions to the interviewer |
| 00:24.45 | ScytheBlade1 | "What do you like most about the company? Least?" |
| 00:24.45 | ScytheBlade1 | etc. |
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| 00:25.44 | mheath[laptop]_ | No. |
| 00:26.02 | mheath[laptop]_ | I think that an interview is a time to seem intrigued, excited, and motivated about the job opportunity. |
| 00:26.17 | mheath[laptop]_ | Not a chance to ask "Is this really a good place to work? Should I work here?" |
| 00:26.35 | vontrapp | so on the way home from salt lake, i get off on university and hit something, didn't sound so good. |
| 00:26.36 | mheath[laptop]_ | While what ScytheBlade1 said is more carefully worded, I think it could easily come acrossed as that. |
| 00:26.48 | vontrapp | i park and my car looks tilted... and my rear tire is flat :( |
| 00:27.02 | mheath[laptop]_ | vontrapp, that sucks =\ |
| 00:27.12 | vontrapp | and they're fancy street tires |
| 00:27.19 | mheath[laptop]_ | bbiab |
| 00:27.22 | Supaplex | on warranty? |
| 00:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, depends on how you ask it imo. |
| 00:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | But eh. |
| 00:27.37 | vontrapp | don't think so, previous owner handed them over with the car |
| 00:27.53 | vontrapp | i'll check the glove box though |
| 00:28.01 | Supaplex | gl :) |
| 00:28.06 | levi | vontrapp: Take it to a tire place; many will fix flats for free, if the tire isn't too damaged. |
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| 00:29.58 | vontrapp | i'm really not much of a talker, i'll say things when i have things to say, but i'm not one for pointless banter |
| 00:30.21 | vontrapp | and in a recent case that came off as lack of interest |
| 00:30.53 | vontrapp | was starting some contract work and i "didn't ask enough questions" and was also apparently on probation the first few hours |
| 00:31.47 | vontrapp | it was php anyway... |
| 00:32.07 | findlay | vontrapp: me neither |
| 00:32.20 | vontrapp | if they don't want a quiet genious that's their problem ;) |
| 00:32.56 | findlay | yeah |
| 00:33.12 | findlay | taciturn savants of the world UNITE!!@! |
| 00:45.24 | levi | My lack of talking has kept me back at work too, I think. |
| 00:46.13 | findlay | levi: join the growing ranks of brilliant laconics! |
| 00:53.09 | findlay | "Have trouble talking when you have nothing to say? Do you ever feel like an isolated genius among talkers? We want you! Join the society of the promotion of pithy prodigies!" |
| 00:53.30 | findlay | OK, I have done now |
| 00:53.32 | findlay | (: |
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| 01:11.10 | mheath[laptop]_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.35 | mheath[laptop]_ | http://www.fellowes.com/Fellowes/site/products/ProductDetails.aspx?Id=99928 |
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| 01:31.04 | mheath[laptop]_ | You purchased 3 tickets for the 12:01 AM showing of X-MEN: THE LAST STAND on Thursday, May 25, 2006 at Cinemark Tinseltown 14, located at 3651 Wall Avenue Suite 1038 in Ogden for a total of $24.00. |
| 01:31.56 | emcnabb | -url |
| 01:32.19 | Newsome | hey, emcnabb |
| 01:32.27 | emcnabb | Newsome: hello |
| 01:32.59 | Newsome | you get all moved? |
| 01:33.34 | emcnabb | I got here on Saturday |
| 01:33.42 | emcnabb | Lisa comes out in two weeks |
| 01:33.47 | emcnabb | then our stuff comes :-) |
| 01:34.08 | Newsome | you're in MD? |
| 01:34.19 | Newsome | er, MA |
| 01:34.24 | emcnabb | Raleigh |
| 01:34.31 | Newsome | hmm, okay. |
| 01:34.51 | emcnabb | I'll probably end up going to MA fairly often |
| 01:35.15 | Newsome | we've got 2 full-time RedHat employees assigned to us at UBS |
| 01:35.54 | emcnabb | cool; in a few weeks I'll probably know them :-) |
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| 01:36.35 | Newsome | if you meet Sherif's boss, ask him to get Sherif off our account |
| 01:36.48 | emcnabb | haha, ok |
| 01:37.01 | Newsome | The 2 employees we've got are old VA folks |
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| 02:14.11 | vontrapp | e.g. Gtk::Window.new {|w| w.add Gtk::Button.new {|b| b.connect...}} |
| 02:15.50 | levi | That's unfortunate. |
| 02:16.22 | vontrapp | i could extend it, but each subclass of course has it's own initialize method, so i'd have to extend each and every one |
| 02:16.25 | vontrapp | any ideas? |
| 02:16.30 | vontrapp | Laszlo? |
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| 02:19.54 | vontrapp | yo elg, you just missed it |
| 02:20.08 | vontrapp | gtk for ruby is lameo |
| 02:20.10 | elg | missed what? |
| 02:20.12 | vontrapp | it doesn't take blocks |
| 02:20.22 | elg | sounds lameo |
| 02:20.24 | levi | OpenLaszlo is a web UI system. |
| 02:20.27 | elg | sound gtk-ish. ;-) |
| 02:20.38 | vontrapp | for Widget.new do |newwidget| stuff for newwidget; end |
| 02:20.55 | vontrapp | i want to extend all subclasses of Gtk::Object to behave as such |
| 02:21.04 | levi | It used to just generate flash code, but now it can target dhtml too. |
| 02:21.05 | elg | fun for you |
| 02:21.16 | vontrapp | alas, extending Gtk::Object is fruitless as the subclasses override initialize |
| 02:21.20 | elg | would be easier to hack the source |
| 02:21.35 | elg | they probably have some sort of code generation and if you're lucky it's a single chainge |
| 02:21.53 | vontrapp | fox does behave thusly, don't it? |
| 02:22.09 | vontrapp | (nevermind the awful mixing of speech styles in that sentance) |
| 02:22.18 | elg | probably |
| 02:22.27 | elg | actually yes it does |
| 02:22.30 | vontrapp | alas, fox is a nightmare of a dependency |
| 02:22.42 | elg | the best candidate is qt |
| 02:22.48 | vontrapp | if you have it it's great |
| 02:22.50 | nick125 | grr |
| 02:23.00 | nick125 | I hate it when people use tor for ban evasion |
| 02:23.01 | vontrapp | but getting it installed is less than trivial |
| 02:23.02 | elg | a nightmare to install, but it wouldn't take _that_ much effort to create qtruby binaries for interested platforms |
| 02:23.18 | elg | that's actually one of my soc proposals |
| 02:23.50 | vontrapp | i see |
| 02:23.58 | vontrapp | does qtruby do it? |
| 02:24.32 | elg | the block thing? let me check |
| 02:24.38 | vontrapp | isn't there a method that returns all the subclasses of a class? |
| 02:24.43 | elg | that code _is_ generated, so it would be easy to add |
| 02:25.37 | elg | qtruby isn't that hard to install on linux |
| 02:25.48 | vontrapp | one thing i really really dislike about gui building is having chunks all laying seperated about and being attached later all together |
| 02:26.27 | elg | And there's more! You can also pass an arg to the block, and it will be run in the context of the arg: |
| 02:26.29 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.34 | elg | so yes |
| 02:26.43 | elg | http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/ruby/index.html |
| 02:26.46 | brac | [KDE Developer's Corner - Ruby bindings] |
| 02:27.13 | vontrapp | well i was certainly hoping to have an arg for the block, it would be pretty useless without |
| 02:27.27 | elg | an arg? |
| 02:27.31 | elg | you have an arg right there |
| 02:27.35 | elg | I don't get what you \want |
| 02:27.49 | vontrapp | Thing.new do |argHere| end |
| 02:28.06 | vontrapp | oh, you were quoting something |
| 02:28.14 | vontrapp | you weren't really excited about an arg |
| 02:28.21 | vontrapp | that makes more sense |
| 02:28.28 | vontrapp | :/ |
| 02:28.32 | elg | oic |
| 02:28.45 | elg | yeah, there wouldn't be much point without the arg. :) |
| 02:29.04 | vontrapp | guess i'll use qt |
| 02:31.17 | levi | You could be a hero and write your own gtk2 bindings that do the right thing. ;) |
| 02:33.07 | findlay | hello, I'm back. Everyone can continue to entertain me now |
| 02:34.11 | vontrapp | die evil code spew! |
| 02:39.02 | vontrapp | no confirmation re: SomeClass#get_all_subclasses ? |
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| 03:07.53 | levi | Huh, Carl Hewitt is active in the CS areas of Wikipedia. |
| 03:12.34 | levi | He's pushing models of concurrent systems as the only ones that are currently relevant. |
| 03:12.58 | mheath[laptop]_ | Seems rather biased. |
| 03:13.56 | levi | Yeah, there's quite a debate in the discussion section. |
| 03:16.24 | mheath[laptop]_ | w00t, 84% downloaded |
| 03:16.49 | levi | As the author of a significant semantic model of computation, he's definitely an authority, though. |
| 03:21.47 | levi | His point is that sequential semantics is a special case of concurrent semantics, and thus the general article on semantics should focus on the general case and point at other articles for specific variations. |
| 03:31.13 | findlay | ok that was stupid |
| 03:31.32 | findlay | all I wanted to do is rent a movie and they wouldn't let me without getting a "special" card |
| 03:31.51 | findlay | and I couldn't get a card without divulging *way* too much personal information |
| 03:32.00 | findlay | no thanks |
| 03:32.23 | levi | findlay: Netflix! |
| 03:32.45 | findlay | levi: public library |
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| 03:36.01 | findlay | I hate this stupid world |
| 03:36.12 | findlay | populated with stupid people |
| 03:36.33 | QBFreak | common sense has gone away too |
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| 03:37.33 | QBFreak | at work one of the waitresses brought a ticket back to the cook because she wasn't sure what kind of pizza it was refering too, all it said was 16" |
| 03:37.49 | QBFreak | when told cheese she was like "but it doesn't say cheese" |
| 03:37.58 | QBFreak | last I checked ALL pizzas came with cheese |
| 03:38.33 | findlay | (: |
| 03:39.20 | QBFreak | a ticket will get hung for "stromboli - no black olives" |
| 03:39.30 | QBFreak | strombolies don't come with black olives! |
| 03:39.47 | QBFreak | why write it down if it makes no sense?! |
| 03:40.43 | QBFreak | when the customer says that, the best course of action is not to blindly write it down, but let them know they don't come with black olives, by chance they meant a supreme stromboli (which does) and you save everyone a headache if they did |
| 03:41.09 | QBFreak | and now I go away before I really get going on customers... |
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| 03:48.43 | findlay | levi_: welcome back |
| 03:48.51 | findlay | does levi know you're here? |
| 03:49.10 | levi_ | Nope. He's in the dark. |
| 03:49.36 | levi_ | QBFreak: Also vile. |
| 04:28.40 | mheath[laptop]_ | Does anyone know of a credible, respected university with a full distance learning program? |
| 04:29.00 | mheath[laptop]_ | (By full, I mean, the capablity of earning a degree entirely through distance learning) |
| 04:29.36 | levi | Why do you ask? |
| 04:30.04 | levi | The answer depends on what degree you seek and how you define "credible, respected university". |
| 04:30.47 | mheath[laptop]_ | levi: I'm looking for a degree I can start on during my time in the Marine Corp. I'd like to work to a degree in my spare time, so I want something flexible, that supports the possibility of my frequent moving throughout the country and world. |
| 04:31.21 | mheath[laptop]_ | I want something respected, because after I leave the Marine Corp I would like to apply for admission at a major university. I want this degree to be accepted by them. |
| 04:31.27 | levi | There are actually a number of programs set up for that. It's been a while since I researched it, though. |
| 04:31.49 | levi | My mom works for Central Texas College, who currently do distance learning for the Army. |
| 04:31.55 | levi | Not sure about other branches of the service. |
| 04:33.38 | mheath[laptop]_ | I know the Marine Corp sponsers and supports a lot of programs. I don't mind working slower and strictly on my own time, though, if it means I can work with something a little more respected (than places like "Central Texas College") |
| 04:34.22 | mheath[laptop]_ | To be honest: I still kinda have a dream to work up to a place like MIT. I'd like to get a degree that isn't viewed as some quick online classes at a crummy little college no one knows about. I want something professioonal, and respected, that offers flexibility. |
| 04:34.35 | levi | I don't know what you're expecting. Most universities don't have a problem accepting associate's degrees from community colleges. |
| 04:35.21 | levi | Sometimes it's easier to get into a big-name university as a transfer student. I'm not sure how admission to MIT works, though. |
| 04:35.36 | mheath[laptop]_ | levi: but some place like MIT is very hard to get into, especially working on a graduate degree... |
| 04:36.40 | bertbob | muct of MIT is "open" |
| 04:36.42 | bertbob | http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html |
| 04:36.43 | brac | [MIT OpenCourseWare | |
| 04:36.44 | brac | OCW Home] |
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| 04:37.38 | levi | mheath[laptop]_: Yes, so what's your point? You'll have to check MIT's specific admission requirements to see what they consider when you apply there. |
| 04:37.54 | nick125 | wee... |
| 04:38.44 | mheath[laptop]_ | bertbob, thats not for credit, which is what officially matters here. |
| 04:39.20 | mheath[laptop]_ | I'm happy though. I got a certificate from the State of Utah saying that I was in the top 10% of all the people who take the ACT in Utah, in every testing category. |
| 04:39.33 | levi | Congrats. |
| 04:39.37 | mheath[laptop]_ | Thats got to count for something in college admissions and such =P |
| 04:39.48 | levi | You should have taken the SAT as well if you want to go to MIT. |
| 04:40.20 | mheath[laptop]_ | They accept either. My highschool grades aren't good enough to even submit an application there and have them do anything other than laugh, anyway. |
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| 04:40.41 | mheath[laptop]_ | Unless I bend the truth a bit and check the box saying that I'm Native American.... |
| 04:40.48 | mheath[laptop]_ | (I'm only 1/32 Cherokee) |
| 04:43.00 | levi | Hmm, MIT's transfer application FAQ doesn't mention them accepting ACTs. |
| 04:43.22 | levi | But they do mention accepting transfers from community colleges. |
| 04:45.58 | mheath[laptop]_ | Yeah, but the only question is, would you have any chance of getting accepted there as a transfer from a community college? :P |
| 04:46.13 | mheath[laptop]_ | Officially stating they accept transfers and actually accepting them are two different things |
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| 04:46.45 | mheath[laptop]_ | I don't know why I'm even bothering thinking about that. If I ever go there, it would be years in the future. |
| 04:46.54 | levi | You'd have to talk to their admissions people about that. |
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| 04:49.33 | levi | Hi maquis. |
| 04:50.03 | findlay | maquis: where have you been? |
| 04:52.43 | nick125 | I wish I rememberd how to start bzflag with bots |
| 04:53.08 | maquis | findlay: i don't know... ask tensai :) |
| 04:53.12 | maquis | how long have i been gone? |
| 04:53.56 | maquis | nick125: isn't it -solo <number>? |
| 04:54.21 | maquis | it's an option you give when you start the client |
| 04:54.40 | maquis | warning, though... they are killer shots, but they don't jump |
| 04:54.52 | maquis | there are pros and cons to playing with bots... |
| 04:55.37 | nick125 | hey, least I don't have to worry about the bots cheating..heh |
| 04:55.46 | maquis | nick125: i would, except i've been really busy |
| 04:56.13 | nick125 | I love it when theres like 20 people on the server..its awesome |
| 04:56.27 | maquis | i don't like playing with that many people. |
| 04:56.33 | maquis | particularly if it's people i don't know |
| 04:56.42 | maquis | i prefer between 2 and 10 |
| 04:56.51 | levi | maquis: How are your classes going? |
| 04:56.57 | findlay | 2 is way too boring |
| 04:57.06 | maquis | levi: ok... |
| 04:57.18 | maquis | AI's going well, bio sucks, dance is hard |
| 04:57.34 | nick125 | I usually don't mind having a bunch of players, unless I'm one-on-one owning someone |
| 04:57.37 | levi | Heh, yeah. Social dance? |
| 04:57.42 | nick125 | getting 30/-31 is good :) |
| 04:57.47 | maquis | levi: nope... world dance |
| 04:57.58 | nick125 | (especially when you have the 30 points and the other person has the -31) |
| 04:58.03 | levi | I did social dance, and that was enough dance class for me. |
| 04:58.07 | levi | I suck at dancing. |
| 04:58.07 | findlay | is that where you dance with an inflatable globe? |
| 04:58.30 | maquis | findlay: umm... |
| 04:58.33 | maquis | levi: me too |
| 04:58.43 | maquis | and it's *hard*! and we have a practical test this week |
| 04:58.49 | levi | I think too much; I keep worrying about where to put my feet and what to do next. |
| 04:59.11 | findlay | dancing is against my political philosophy |
| 04:59.22 | maquis | unfortunately, on occasion, i don't quite think enough |
| 04:59.37 | maquis | and when i do thiknk about where my feet are supposed to be, they still don't go there... |
| 04:59.41 | levi | I like dancing, in theory, but in practice I get too flustered to enjoy it. |
| 04:59.53 | levi | Much to my wife's chagrin. |
| 04:59.58 | findlay | heh |
| 05:01.22 | levi | We did dance at our wedding, though. |
| 05:01.36 | levi | Which is pretty much the last time I attempted to do any real dance steps. |
| 05:02.09 | maquis | wow... you did real dance steps at your wedding? |
| 05:02.28 | levi | I tried to, at least. :) |
| 05:02.31 | findlay | levi: why didn't you contract me and my family quartet for your wedding? |
| 05:02.43 | levi | findlay: I didn't know you were available. |
| 05:02.53 | levi | We had a friend play the piano, though. |
| 05:02.53 | findlay | I long to play some more Scubert quartet music |
| 05:03.49 | findlay | Shcubert's chamber music is so wonderful and eloquent |
| 05:04.32 | findlay | and you have Haydn, Mozart, Tschaikowsky, Beethoven |
| 05:04.35 | findlay | excellent stuff |
| 05:05.14 | findlay | I'd play for free |
| 05:08.20 | findlay | I probably shouldn't talk to myself so much (: |
| 05:08.51 | Jayce^ | findlay, just for you... http://www.comics.com/comics/sheldon/archive/sheldon-20060521.html |
| 05:08.52 | brac | [Sheldon] |
| 05:11.00 | findlay | Jayce^: nice |
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| 07:45.02 | xbmodder_ppc | does anyone here go to ut? |
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| 13:40.03 | emcnabb | ping goozbach |
| 13:40.13 | elg | ~smack goozbach |
| 13:40.15 | ibot | ACTION smacks goozbach upside the head. |
| 13:40.18 | goozbach | mtr emcnabb |
| 13:40.31 | goozbach | woah! it's taking a different route |
| 13:40.38 | goozbach | emcnabb must have moved |
| 13:40.47 | emcnabb | he did |
| 13:41.04 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap elg |
| 13:41.05 | ibot | ACTION beats elg upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 13:42.04 | elg | emcnabb: where you at now |
| 13:42.24 | emcnabb | North Carolina |
| 13:43.17 | goozbach | and yes, I keep tabs on where everyone connects from... |
| 13:43.39 | goozbach | elg!!! get your finger out of your nose!!! |
| 13:44.04 | elg | did you cease gurudom too then? |
| 13:44.13 | goozbach | yes he did |
| 13:44.23 | goozbach | look at what I started... |
| 13:44.30 | goozbach | now I feel bad |
| 13:44.56 | emcnabb | I had been looking to move on for a while though because of the travel (long before goozbach left) |
| 13:45.16 | goozbach | 3/7 people gone |
| 13:45.30 | emcnabb | elg: I now work for the company that you love to hate :-) |
| 13:45.38 | goozbach | I'm just the first one who up and left |
| 13:45.48 | goozbach | a senior position nonetheless |
| 13:45.58 | elg | hmm. redhat? |
| 13:46.03 | emcnabb | yup |
| 13:46.13 | elg | emcnabb: I figured you would be looking. travel's fun til you get married |
| 13:46.38 | goozbach | I enjoyed the travel, but hated the social life it afforded me |
| 13:46.39 | emcnabb | I'm very glad I did it for a while; it gives you a different view on the world |
| 13:46.48 | emcnabb | goozbach: do you have a social life now? |
| 13:46.48 | elg | cool, maybe you can knock some sense into them. :) |
| 13:46.55 | elg | what do you do? |
| 13:46.55 | emcnabb | haha |
| 13:46.59 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 13:47.02 | goozbach | emcnabb: more or less.. ;) |
| 13:47.12 | elg | i don't hate redhat the company |
| 13:47.20 | elg | i just don't like redhat the distro. :) |
| 13:47.31 | goozbach | two people a socal life make, correct? |
| 13:47.43 | goozbach | s/socal/social |
| 13:47.47 | emcnabb | Technical Account Manager - it's the technical point of contact between a large hardware or software vendor (HP, IBM, Oracle, etc) and Red Hat |
| 13:47.57 | elg | goozbach: that depends. do they try to talk to you? |
| 13:48.09 | goozbach | elg: define talk. ;) |
| 13:48.10 | emcnabb | you fix any issues they have, and go to engineering if the problem is more in depth |
| 14:04.48 | elg | ~yzis |
| 14:04.50 | ibot | i guess yzis is a vim inspired editor with the core functionality in a library, independent from the user interfaces, and which allows scripting in Lua. |
| 14:05.04 | elg | that has promise. wonder how far along they are |
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| 14:10.21 | goozbach | oh noes!!!one |
| 14:10.28 | goozbach | runs away!!! |
| 14:10.47 | goozbach | eleventy!!!oneoneone1111!!! |
| 14:12.33 | elg | hehe |
| 14:12.41 | elg | -lart sjansen |
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| 14:44.38 | *** join/#utah mrpull-lt (n=mrpull-l@66.133.111.228) |
| 14:46.27 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@64.72.210.10) |
| 14:47.23 | synic | does anyone here use nfs to store mail ? |
| 14:48.13 | elg | do you mean store email over nfs, or retrieve it over nfs? |
| 14:48.31 | synic | just store it |
| 14:49.00 | elg | via the mta, or for archival? |
| 14:49.11 | synic | we have a drbd+nfs setup for redundancy, but I'm seeing some problems accessing large mailboxes with courier-imap |
| 14:49.27 | synic | elg: via the mta, but that part seems to be working just fine. |
| 14:49.35 | synic | it's the fetching it with an imap client that has trouble |
| 14:51.03 | vontrapp | findlay: you can play at my wedding |
| 14:51.33 | vontrapp | w.add Button.new("button") do |b| sends the block to w.add |
| 14:51.52 | vontrapp | how do i correctly order that evaluation? |
| 14:52.06 | vontrapp | w << Button.new .... works |
| 14:54.03 | elg | huh? |
| 14:54.23 | vontrapp | Warning: `//root/.bash_history' file size is zero |
| 14:54.29 | elg | synic: what kind of trouble? perhaps courier-imap is doing some sort of nfs-unsafe locking? |
| 14:54.33 | vontrapp | this on some remote server |
| 14:55.01 | elg | oic your question. more parenthesis |
| 14:55.01 | synic | elg: mostly on large email boxes. Users can't even open boxes with >1000 emails, and thunderbird users can't delete more than say... 50 at a time |
| 14:55.17 | vontrapp | yes, but how do you encapsulate a do block |
| 14:55.40 | elg | w.add (Button.new('button') do |b| ... end) |
| 14:55.55 | elg | or try {} instead of do/end. They have different precedence rules |
| 14:56.06 | elg | but I'm not sure whether that would fix it or not |
| 14:56.26 | vontrapp | hmm, that looks silly, but it works (the parens) |
| 14:57.01 | vontrapp | ok, good to know if i need it, though i prefer << for the current case |
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| 15:08.40 | *** join/#utah levi_ (n=levi@66.239.25.2.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 15:11.11 | levi_ | Yo. |
| 15:11.41 | *** join/#utah redbeard1 (n=redbeard@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 15:14.44 | levi_ | Hey, redbeard1. |
| 15:15.09 | redbeard1 | yo |
| 15:15.35 | elg | ~smack redbeard1 |
| 15:15.36 | ibot | ACTION smacks redbeard1 upside the head. |
| 15:15.42 | redbeard1 | hey! |
| 15:16.28 | redbeard1 | what kind of a good morning is that? |
| 15:16.28 | redbeard1 | oh, right. elg's. |
| 15:16.28 | elg | an abusive kind |
| 15:17.00 | redbeard1 | ~dog elg |
| 15:17.01 | ibot | ACTION stares at elg until elg whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 15:17.09 | redbeard1 | take that! |
| 15:18.26 | levi_ | elg: I fixed the bug in my blog that erases the comments of the arithmetically challenged. You should be more successful in your future attempts to leave comments. ;) |
| 15:18.29 | redbeard1 | hey, is tensai around? |
| 15:18.40 | elg | thanks levi :) |
| 15:18.45 | elg | tensai: are you a round? |
| 15:18.54 | levi_ | tensai: Or are you a square? |
| 15:18.56 | elg | a boule perhaps? |
| 15:19.06 | levi_ | A rhombus! |
| 15:19.14 | redbeard1 | he could be triangle man |
| 15:19.23 | levi_ | I think he's a trapezoid. |
| 15:19.39 | levi_ | What a cool word, trapezoid. |
| 15:19.44 | redbeard1 | he might be abstract. |
| 15:19.59 | redbeard1 | some weird polygon that doesn't normally get drawn. |
| 15:20.16 | levi_ | Like an Escher drawing. |
| 15:20.25 | redbeard1 | an escher monkey. |
| 15:20.27 | levi_ | He can't exist in the real world. |
| 15:20.32 | vontrapp | ~lart russel |
| 15:20.33 | redbeard1 | a japanese escher monkey. |
| 15:20.47 | vontrapp | -lart russel |
| 15:20.48 | elg | russel? who's that? |
| 15:20.50 | *** join/#utah dataw0lf (n=dataw0lf@70.103.239.58) |
| 15:20.54 | vontrapp | our brother |
| 15:21.01 | vontrapp | he took my tools to work on his car yesterday |
| 15:21.06 | vontrapp | finished and then took them all to vernal |
| 15:21.09 | vontrapp | including my jack |
| 15:21.14 | elg | on his car? |
| 15:21.17 | vontrapp | and if you recall from last night, my tire is flat |
| 15:21.26 | elg | i don't but that sounds sad |
| 15:21.36 | elg | good thing you live in an apartment complex with lots of cars |
| 15:21.41 | elg | you can just take one of those |
| 15:21.42 | redbeard1 | vontrapp... vontrapp... something about that name sounds familiar... |
| 15:21.52 | redbeard1 | where would i know vontrapp from? hmmm.... |
| 15:22.06 | elg | dough, a deer, a female deer wrapped in softly rising dough |
| 15:22.20 | vontrapp | "so long, farewell, alvidesen, goodbye" |
| 15:22.26 | redbeard1 | mmm, venison en croute |
| 15:22.30 | vontrapp | my spelling is wrong i'm sure |
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| 15:22.37 | elg | aufwiedersehen |
| 15:22.45 | vontrapp | there you go |
| 15:23.03 | vontrapp | i should have that my quit message |
| 15:23.15 | redbeard1 | that would be rad. |
| 15:23.30 | levi_ | vontrapp: How naive of you to think that you could spell a German word that long with so few letters. ;) |
| 15:23.40 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 15:23.42 | levi_ | redbeard1: Arrrrrr! |
| 15:24.16 | redbeard1 | levi_: that'll work |
| 15:24.17 | vontrapp | redbeard1: "clack, clack, clack" |
| 15:24.35 | vontrapp | or "clack, thud, clack, thud, clack, thud" |
| 15:24.51 | vontrapp | or "clack-thud, clack-thud, clack-thud" |
| 15:25.43 | redbeard1 | done. |
| 15:26.00 | vontrapp | ~kick redbeard1 |
| 15:26.01 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 15:26.07 | vontrapp | aww |
| 15:26.32 | elg | ibot, are you upset with goozbach? |
| 15:27.26 | redbeard1 | ~foo |
| 15:27.27 | ibot | bar |
| 15:27.59 | elg | ibot, are you listening to me? |
| 15:28.05 | redbeard1 | it's like the geek version of marco polo |
| 15:28.05 | vontrapp | ibot, go home |
| 15:28.13 | redbeard1 | ibot: are you mad at elg? |
| 15:28.22 | vontrapp | variable out of scope! |
| 15:28.31 | redbeard1 | brac: what about you? |
| 15:28.31 | brac | you best check yo'self! |
| 15:28.32 | elg | vontrapp out of scope! |
| 15:29.13 | levi_ | Uh oh... Are there any references to him, or is he due for garbage collection? |
| 15:29.31 | elg | ~gc vontrapp |
| 15:31.04 | x4FA3266E3 | nobody overwrite me please |
| 15:31.23 | redbeard1 | x4FA3266E3: on a clear disk, you can seek forever |
| 15:33.16 | elg | ~streisand redbeard1 |
| 15:33.56 | x4FA3266E3 | memcopy( x4FA3266E3 , *redbeard1, sizeof( x4FA3266E3 ) ) |
| 15:34.02 | x4FA3266E3 | crap |
| 15:34.22 | x4FA3266E3 | memcopy( x4FA3266E3 , *redbeard1, sizeof( redbeard1 ) ) |
| 15:35.05 | vontrapp | what happened to streisand? |
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| 15:58.22 | sjansen | ping STUFF maquis & ^Migs^ |
| 16:00.26 | sjansen | ~onjoin #utah sjansen <say> Man, I wish I were as cool as sjansen. |
| 16:00.27 | ibot | sjansen: ok |
| 16:03.14 | harleypig | ~onjoin #utah harleypig |
| 16:03.27 | harleypig | how do you ask it to tell you what it already has? |
| 16:04.03 | Uncle_Jesse | ~literal onjoin harleypig |
| 16:04.13 | Uncle_Jesse | maybe not |
| 16:04.19 | harleypig | and is there someplace that has these commands documented? besides the source |
| 16:04.37 | harleypig | the web page doesn't seem to have any coplete doco. |
| 16:04.51 | harleypig | ibot source |
| 16:04.53 | ibot | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. |
| 16:05.00 | harleypig | ibot self |
| 16:05.02 | ibot | self is probably at http://research.sun.com/self/ |
| 16:05.08 | harleypig | crap |
| 16:05.09 | brac | [Self Home Page] |
| 16:05.23 | maquis | ooh |
| 16:05.23 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: /msg ibot help |
| 16:05.30 | maquis | i looked at my screen when elg is around! |
| 16:06.50 | harleypig | ibot help doesn't have these commands. |
| 16:07.00 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: it has onjoin |
| 16:07.19 | Uncle_Jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.14 | harleypig | well, now it's not responding to me. |
| 16:08.28 | redbeard1 | harleypig: he doesn't like you |
| 16:08.54 | redbeard1 | ~lart harleypig |
| 16:09.22 | redbeard1 | did tensai ever show up? |
| 16:10.20 | redbeard1 | that slacker's probably "working" or something |
| 16:10.24 | redbeard1 | what's up with that? |
| 16:10.42 | harleypig | We're working ... |
| 16:10.45 | harleypig | sort of ... |
| 16:11.01 | redbeard1 | harleypig: yer not working. i can see your desk from here. |
| 16:12.49 | sjansen | harleypig: ibot probably isn't responding to you because you haven't authenticated with NickServ |
| 16:13.03 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:13.05 | ibot | I'm gay |
| 16:13.17 | sjansen | ibot: No, you're not. |
| 16:13.19 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:13.20 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 16:13.33 | harleypig | sjansen: oops. thans |
| 16:13.39 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:13.40 | ibot | I'm sexless |
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| 16:13.47 | sjansen | stupid bot |
| 16:14.15 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:14.16 | ibot | I'm female |
| 16:14.37 | sjansen | redbeard1: ibot isn't a he, she's a she, see? |
| 16:14.39 | ^Migs^ | ~gender sjansen |
| 16:14.40 | ibot | sjansen is cowboyneal |
| 16:14.49 | ^Migs^ | ~gender mheath[laptop] |
| 16:14.50 | ibot | mheath[laptop] is hermaphroditic |
| 16:14.55 | ^Migs^ | ~gender ^Migs^ |
| 16:14.56 | ibot | ^Migs^ is male |
| 16:15.03 | ^Migs^ | you know it |
| 16:15.12 | elg | wow, ibot is doing pretty good so far |
| 16:15.19 | ^Migs^ | ~gender elg |
| 16:15.21 | ibot | elg is female |
| 16:15.21 | elg | ~gender billgates |
| 16:15.22 | ibot | billgates is neuter |
| 16:15.22 | maquis | hmmm |
| 16:15.28 | elg | thank goodness |
| 16:15.31 | ^Migs^ | ~gender harleypig |
| 16:15.33 | ibot | harleypig is neuter |
| 16:15.42 | mheath[laptop] | +ed |
| 16:15.42 | mheath[laptop] | :P |
| 16:15.44 | ^Migs^ | ~gender redbeard1 |
| 16:15.45 | ibot | redbeard1 is cowboyneal |
| 16:15.53 | mheath[laptop] | Half-Life 2 froze up on me :( |
| 16:15.56 | mheath[laptop] | bbiab |
| 16:16.36 | ^Migs^ | ~gender maquis |
| 16:16.38 | ibot | maquis is female |
| 16:16.40 | maquis | wow |
| 16:16.45 | maquis | ibot: nice job |
| 16:16.46 | ibot | ACTION lowers job's priority |
| 16:17.01 | ^Migs^ | ~gender goozbach |
| 16:17.02 | ibot | goozbach is male |
| 16:17.52 | maquis | ~gender emcnabb |
| 16:17.54 | ibot | emcnabb is female |
| 16:18.02 | levi_ | Heh. |
| 16:18.03 | ^Migs^ | ibot is brilliant |
| 16:18.10 | ^Migs^ | ~gender levi_ |
| 16:18.12 | ibot | levi_ is female |
| 16:18.27 | maquis | ~gender levi |
| 16:18.30 | ibot | levi is neuter |
| 16:18.34 | maquis | hmmm |
| 16:18.45 | redbeard1 | ~gender Uncle_Jesse |
| 16:18.48 | ibot | Uncle_Jesse is hermaphroditic |
| 16:18.49 | levi_ | ~gender maquis |
| 16:18.50 | ibot | maquis is neuter |
| 16:19.01 | levi_ | ~gender ^Migs^ |
| 16:19.03 | ibot | ^Migs^ is male |
| 16:19.04 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here work for doba? |
| 16:19.08 | maquis | uh oh... that's kinda scary... i was female just a few minutes ago... |
| 16:19.28 | ^Migs^ | I'm still male, of course |
| 16:20.32 | levi_ | Obviously ibot is trying to undermine the concepts of sex and gender by randomly assigning them. We should send it off for reprogramming. |
| 16:20.56 | elg | maquis: are you at the doctors? |
| 16:21.01 | atoponce | disassemble ibot |
| 16:21.16 | maquis | elg: no... |
| 16:21.21 | maquis | :( |
| 16:22.25 | ^Migs^ | maybe someone did it while you were asleep |
| 16:22.49 | ^Migs^ | ibot is able to determine my sex just fine |
| 16:22.55 | elg | ~gender ^Migs^ |
| 16:22.57 | ibot | ^Migs^ is hermaphroditic |
| 16:23.00 | ^Migs^ | see? |
| 16:25.34 | ^Migs^ | this is adorable: http://www.bash.org/?641942 |
| 16:25.35 | brac | [QDB: Quote #641942] |
| 16:26.52 | redbeard1 | fear the superfood. |
| 16:29.33 | redbeard1 | you guys seen this stuff? they sell it at costco |
| 16:30.11 | levi_ | Hah: http://www.rfc1149.net/blog/2006/05/22/writing-software-as-we-design-hardware/ |
| 16:30.21 | levi_ | redbeard1: Is it that juice stuff? |
| 16:32.39 | levi_ | Huh, I'd never heard of bash's /dev/tcp hack before. That's sick and wrong. |
| 16:34.06 | redbeard1 | levi_: yeah. it just looks so... wrong. but it tastes pretty good. |
| 16:34.39 | macnewbold | Uncle_Jesse: if I remember right, wps works for doba |
| 16:35.04 | redbeard1 | what is doba? |
| 16:35.17 | levi_ | I've seen their billboards advertising for jobs, but after looking at what they do, I didn't want to have anything to do with them. |
| 16:35.18 | macnewbold | company down in happy valley |
| 16:35.31 | macnewbold | what do they do, exactly? |
| 16:35.40 | macnewbold | I thought they were graphic design and web stuff, mostly |
| 16:35.42 | macnewbold | but I could be wrong |
| 16:35.43 | levi_ | They drop-ship stuff. |
| 16:35.56 | levi_ | So you can be an independant retailer. |
| 16:36.06 | macnewbold | really? that's weird... why would they have a graphic designer/programmer like wps then? |
| 16:36.15 | levi_ | For their web site, probably. |
| 16:36.27 | redbeard1 | levi_: i guess i'm confused, what's wrong with that? |
| 16:37.14 | levi_ | Nothing's wrong with that, necessarily. But there were some implications of shadyness in the stuff I read about them. |
| 16:38.06 | redbeard1 | ah. i understand. |
| 16:38.15 | redbeard1 | why does that seem to be so common in this area? |
| 16:38.35 | levi_ | Lack of critical thinking skills, and lots of misplaced trust. |
| 16:38.45 | redbeard1 | my first internet company, plus the one i worked for just before where i am now, they were both really shifty. |
| 16:39.04 | levi_ | I.e., there are lots of people around here to take advantage of. |
| 16:39.37 | redbeard1 | you know what really scares me? how many of those corrupt execs are byu business grads. |
| 16:39.39 | levi_ | Same reason MLM is so popular here. And the whole Doba business smells similar to MLM to me. |
| 16:42.02 | levi_ | I guess a Doba-like service could be helpful with getting started in online retail, but... really, online retail is pretty competitive, so they're really taking advantage of a bunch of people who are doomed to run their "businesses" into the ground. |
| 16:42.54 | levi_ | I'm all for entrepreneurship, as long as it's not the pre-packaged kind. |
| 16:44.26 | levi_ | If you're going to sell stuff online, it had better not be stuff out of the same catalog a thousand other people are trying to sell stuff out of. |
| 16:44.46 | ^Migs^ | how would you say "Back" in Spanish, as in move back a web page? |
| 16:44.54 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 16:44.57 | ^Migs^ | i.e., go the previous page |
| 16:44.59 | levi_ | "backo" ;) |
| 16:45.03 | ^Migs^ | el BACK-O |
| 16:45.31 | harleypig | ~seen riker |
| 16:45.51 | ibot | harleypig: i haven't seen 'riker' |
| 16:46.35 | harleypig | ~seen timriker |
| 16:46.38 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 18h 43m 45s ago, saying: 'ooh, mountains.'. |
| 16:46.52 | wps | levi_, yes, I work for Doba |
| 16:46.57 | harleypig | anyone working on ibot in here and active? |
| 16:47.09 | wps | Doba is not a scam and nothing like an MLM |
| 16:47.22 | wps | we do product sourcing |
| 16:47.28 | wps | we connect small businesses with products to seel |
| 16:47.34 | wps | s/seel/sell/ |
| 16:48.03 | wps | we have a large web application that is a virtual inventory for web-based businesses and people that sell on eBay |
| 16:48.13 | levi_ | wps: I know it's not the same model as MLM at all. I find it far less shady than MLM. |
| 16:48.25 | wps | it's not shady at all |
| 16:48.42 | levi_ | OK, not shady, but I still don't like it. |
| 16:49.49 | levi_ | What's the point of having a bunch of people set up e-bay fronts for Doba drop-shipped stuff? It's all the same stuff, right? |
| 16:49.49 | wps | what don't you like about it |
| 16:50.06 | wps | no, it's not all the same stuff |
| 16:52.45 | macnewbold | in a way, it sounds like being a wholesaler that will drop ship, while getting lots of people to sign up as a sales force for the commission they get from their own markup/profit margin on the stuff they sell |
| 16:54.15 | ^Migs^ | who said Doba is a scam? Why did you suddenly get all defensive, wps? |
| 16:54.21 | ^Migs^ | what are you hiding? |
| 16:55.18 | wps | not defensive… curious… I was wondering what caused him to have the opinions he did… what caused him to come to those conclusions |
| 16:55.27 | ^Migs^ | it sounds suspicious to me |
| 16:55.49 | ^Migs^ | so if I reported it to the Better Business Bureau or whatever, you'd have no problem? |
| 16:55.56 | wps | nope, go ahead |
| 16:56.00 | ^Migs^ | k, will do |
| 16:56.26 | wps | what is it that you are going to report? |
| 16:56.44 | ^Migs^ | why do you ask? I thought nothing shady was going on. |
| 16:57.04 | ^Migs^ | you shouldn't be concerned or curious if you have nothing to hide |
| 16:57.48 | ^Migs^ | el BACKO |
| 16:58.03 | wps | I disagree. If you are a dissatisfied customer or a concerned citizen, I would be very interested in your concerns so that I could improve my business. |
| 16:58.14 | wps | Doba has nothing to hide. |
| 16:58.29 | ^Migs^ | it won't have anything to hide soon enough |
| 17:00.27 | levi_ | I don't recall what sort of shady implication I came across on the web, and I can't find it again, so I'll assume it was false. |
| 17:00.55 | wps | levi_, to better answer your question, there is no "Doba stuff" |
| 17:01.05 | wps | we are an aggregator |
| 17:01.18 | levi_ | Right, I get that part. |
| 17:01.20 | Jayce^ | wps froogle for b2b? |
| 17:01.21 | wps | we do not sell products or warehouse products |
| 17:01.39 | wps | Jayce^: I've never thought of it that way… kind of |
| 17:01.50 | wps | we do more than just aggregate though… I was over simplifying |
| 17:01.56 | ^Migs^ | why does wikipedia look weird? |
| 17:02.43 | wps | we have a web application that allows people to maintain virtual inventories of thousands of products and then push them with wizards to eBay and their own online stores |
| 17:02.52 | wps | the biggest key is connecting them to products that they could not get themselves |
| 17:03.27 | wps | if a small business approached Nike about selling their shoes, Nike wouldn't even give them the time of day… because they are too small of a fish… they wouldn't be moving enough product to make it worth their time |
| 17:04.02 | wps | Doba can get the account with Nike though because once we pool thousands of small business, there is enough of a quantity for the distributor/warehouse/manufacturer/drop-shipper to be interested |
| 17:05.16 | levi_ | Yes, but if you don't warehouse anything, then the manufacturer or whatever is still drop-shipping single items, no? |
| 17:05.25 | wps | yup, that's exactly how it works |
| 17:05.35 | wps | the product is drop-shipping directly from the distributer to the customer |
| 17:05.55 | Uncle_Jesse | doba provides services that a lot of retailers are envious of |
| 17:06.11 | Uncle_Jesse | we are implementing something like that for backcountry.com, but it's not easy |
| 17:06.51 | wps | so, our product is access to a catalogue of thousands of products, education, and a bunch of tools that will help you run your business |
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| 17:07.07 | levi_ | I dunno, it's just more online retailers gunking up the internet as far as I'm concerned. |
| 17:07.08 | Uncle_Jesse | getting all your suppliers to move from a fax-only order model to an automated one is tough |
| 17:07.21 | Uncle_Jesse | most suppliers are pretty ice-age |
| 17:08.21 | wps | most online stores that you purchase products from get their products in this manner |
| 17:08.28 | wps | most online stores do not house their own inventories |
| 17:08.44 | levi_ | Yes, but the big ones negotiate their own deals with the suppliers. |
| 17:09.03 | Uncle_Jesse | levi_: based on my experience, correct |
| 17:09.43 | levi_ | Doba simply enables random people to do it, too. And make their own e-bay store! |
| 17:10.07 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah, which gives you a competitive advantage against some of the big guys |
| 17:10.16 | ^Migs^ | how much would I have to pay to have an e-bay store? |
| 17:10.23 | Uncle_Jesse | the big guys I've worked for are only starting to consider drop-ship |
| 17:10.43 | levi_ | Oh well. Maybe I just need to embrace it and make money while the money's there to be made. |
| 17:10.56 | levi_ | I'm sure the big guys will find a way to squeeze out the little guys soon enough. |
| 17:11.13 | Uncle_Jesse | they're slowly embracing it |
| 17:11.21 | wps | ^Migs^: I don't know how much an eBay stores costs |
| 17:11.24 | wps | we don't sell them |
| 17:11.29 | wps | you'll have to look it up on eBay |
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| 17:12.16 | levi_ | I just don't see how a proliferation of online stores is that great of a thing, in the long run. |
| 17:12.47 | wps | nothing is better for the consumer and prices than competition |
| 17:13.05 | levi_ | The wholesale prices are the same for everyone who uses Doba though, right? |
| 17:13.25 | wps | yes, but those that purchase them and sell them can sell them for whatever price they want |
| 17:13.32 | levi_ | Indeed. |
| 17:14.05 | levi_ | So there will be a bunch of crappy little web-stores selling stuff at tiny margins in attempt to compete. |
| 17:15.15 | levi_ | I'm not really an advocate of the 'low price over all!' ideal. |
| 17:16.14 | ^Migs^ | I'm going in for an overnight sleep apnea study :( |
| 17:16.21 | wps | 95% of our customers sell their stuff on eBay |
| 17:16.28 | levi_ | wps: As I suspected. |
| 17:16.40 | ^Migs^ | could I set up a web site and sell it that way instead, wps? |
| 17:16.52 | wps | absolutely, we have many customers that do that |
| 17:16.53 | levi_ | eBay used to be cool, when it was full of used stuff rather than new stuff. |
| 17:16.56 | ^Migs^ | what responsibility would *I*, as the seller have? |
| 17:17.26 | wps | we even have brick and mortar business that use our service for their supplier |
| 17:17.58 | macnewbold | wps: what does it cost to use doba? do you have to pay anything for setup? monthly fees? or is it all paid for through the wholesale prices? are there monthly minimums? |
| 17:18.14 | ^Migs^ | nice questions, macnewbold |
| 17:18.24 | wps | we have partnered with several web builder (eStore-in-a-box) companies that will even help you set up a website and then you can use our wizards to push hundreds of products up to your store with only a few clicks |
| 17:18.26 | ^Migs^ | my wife would probably like to have her own little store |
| 17:18.49 | macnewbold | if it takes very little time to run it, and you can sell a few things here and there, it can't hurt, can it :) |
| 17:18.53 | ^Migs^ | what if I just want to build the site myself? |
| 17:18.59 | wps | responsibility as the seller? to whom? Doba? Nothing. You purchase the products and then what you do with it after that is your own business. |
| 17:19.01 | ^Migs^ | right, that's what I'm thinking, macnewbold |
| 17:19.13 | ^Migs^ | heh, I'm going to look into this, it sounds interesting |
| 17:19.25 | wps | you can build the site yourself… we don't care where or how you sell your products |
| 17:19.38 | wps | macnewbold: http://www.doba.com/services/pricing |
| 17:19.38 | ^Migs^ | on the site, it mentions a 7-day free trial. Trial for what? |
| 17:19.53 | ^Migs^ | oh I see |
| 17:19.56 | ^Migs^ | so there IS a monthly fee |
| 17:20.06 | wps | of course, how else would Doba make any money? |
| 17:20.19 | ^Migs^ | I thought from shipping out products |
| 17:20.28 | wps | no, we do not skim anything off the top |
| 17:20.29 | ^Migs^ | you're more the middleman though, aren't you? |
| 17:21.17 | ^Migs^ | $30 a month isn't too bad |
| 17:21.27 | wps | a middleman, yes, in the sense that we're in the middle connecting the people with the suppliers and providing a massive catalogue where they can browse all of the multiple suppliers at once, but not a middleman in the traditional sense of someone that is skimming some off the top |
| 17:22.32 | wps | the free trial is for membership… which is access to our web app… which gives you access to the catalogue and all of our information and tools |
| 17:23.01 | ^Migs^ | is there anything in the catalog not listed in "product catalog"? |
| 17:23.56 | ^Migs^ | I'm going in for an overnight sleep apnea study :( |
| 17:24.02 | levi_ | Can you join for the free trial, order some wholesale-priced stuff for yourself, and then cancel? |
| 17:24.21 | ^Migs^ | I was wondering that too |
| 17:24.21 | levi_ | ^Migs^: Good, I think it's affecting your short-term memory. |
| 17:24.24 | ^Migs^ | could I get wholesale prices? |
| 17:24.31 | wps | no, that is everything… but there is _a lot_ more information about the product displayed when you are logged in |
| 17:24.45 | ^Migs^ | did I already mention that I'm going in for a sleep apnea study? |
| 17:25.22 | Uncle_Jesse | ^Migs^: do they pay you? |
| 17:25.37 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 17:25.38 | levi_ | Generally, you pay /them/. |
| 17:25.42 | levi_ | A lot. |
| 17:25.44 | ^Migs^ | this is for my sleep apnea, but they need to have me overnight to evaluate me |
| 17:25.55 | ^Migs^ | well, if it was for research, then yeah, they'd be paying me |
| 17:26.33 | Uncle_Jesse | darn - it would be cool to get paid to sleep |
| 17:26.40 | ^Migs^ | best job ever, for sure |
| 17:27.06 | levi_ | As long as it's not like Max Headroom, where they record your dreams and play them on TV. |
| 17:27.23 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 17:27.52 | ^Migs^ | 7 days really isn't that much for a trial |
| 17:27.59 | ^Migs^ | could I at least have a 14-day trial, wps? |
| 17:29.28 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure I understand how you or the suppliers get this data |
| 17:29.45 | ^Migs^ | does it have to connect to a central db or something, or does it send data to a web site? |
| 17:29.54 | ^Migs^ | if I was making the web site myself, would I have to use an API or something you provide? |
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| 17:40.38 | wps | ^Migs^: yes, we provide ways to export the data |
| 17:41.19 | ^Migs^ | but in what form are the data imported? |
| 17:42.12 | Uncle_Jesse | wps: do your suppliers ever have closeout items that they need to get rid of quickly? Do you categorize just those items? |
| 17:44.31 | ^Migs^ | wps: There's a problem on this page: http://www.doba.com/catalog/31/ |
| 17:44.41 | ^Migs^ | note the "houseware" link |
| 17:46.33 | ^Migs^ | I'd like to know, because I want the process to be as automated as possible |
| 17:46.53 | ^Migs^ | ideally, I don't want to have to do anything but add or remove a new product here or there |
| 17:48.05 | ^Migs^ | I would even plan on setting it up so it automatically searches for the same product on other sites using froogle or something, and undercuts them |
| 17:48.29 | wps | I am not sure what format the data comes in or goes out in |
| 17:48.39 | wps | you'd have to call and talk to customer service |
| 17:48.43 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 17:48.47 | ^Migs^ | so what exactly do you do for this company? |
| 17:48.53 | wps | Creative Director |
| 17:48.57 | wps | I am a designer |
| 17:49.06 | wps | corporate branding and identity |
| 17:49.11 | ^Migs^ | do you have madd skillz? |
| 17:49.16 | wps | no |
| 17:49.20 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 17:49.25 | ^Migs^ | why are you creative director then? |
| 17:49.38 | wps | because I'm good |
| 17:49.46 | findlay | ha |
| 17:49.47 | ^Migs^ | but no madd skillz |
| 17:49.51 | ^Migs^ | gotcha |
| 17:49.58 | wps | sure, I have "madd skillz" |
| 17:50.42 | ^Migs^ | you just said you didn't |
| 17:51.12 | ^Migs^ | is this more of the shady business practices |
| 17:51.22 | wps | I think "madd skillz" (especially spelled that way) is a dumb term and thus did not choose to use it describe myself |
| 17:51.43 | ^Migs^ | well "madd skillz" thinks ur pretty dumb too |
| 17:51.53 | wps | alright |
| 17:55.22 | levi_ | Don't mind ^Migs^, he's just that way. |
| 17:55.36 | wps | I don't care |
| 17:56.12 | ^Migs^ | ~gender wps |
| 17:56.14 | ibot | wps is male |
| 17:58.08 | redbeard1 | today's lesson: reheated rice-a-roni and chipotle tobasco don't mix |
| 17:58.24 | levi_ | Heh. |
| 17:58.33 | Jayce^ | is that what I'm smelling |
| 17:58.40 | Jayce^ | just dont' feed it to harleypig |
| 17:58.50 | redbeard1 | i try not to feed to harleypigs |
| 17:58.56 | emcnabb | lesson #2: Hot Pockets suck; they taste like crap |
| 17:58.56 | Jayce^ | talk about coming back to haunt you later |
| 17:59.11 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: yeah, learned that one already too |
| 17:59.14 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, you ever listen to Jim Gaffigan's bit on hot pockets? |
| 17:59.21 | emcnabb | Jayce^: nope |
| 17:59.44 | redbeard1 | obviously, there's only one thing to do: add a shot of habanero tabasco |
| 17:59.45 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, you should find it, quite good |
| 18:00.55 | ^Migs^ | meh |
| 18:01.06 | ^Migs^ | Jim Gaffigan gets on your nerves after listening to him more than 20 minutes |
| 18:01.49 | emcnabb | so does ^Migs^ |
| 18:01.50 | emcnabb | :-) |
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| 18:02.04 | ^Migs^ | http://www.justinreeve.com/music/Comedy/Jim%20Gaffigan/Beyond%20The%20Pale/17%20Hot%20Pockets.mp3 |
| 18:04.12 | sjansen | Wweet, sweet, bind lab, how I love thee! |
| 18:04.27 | findlay | ~lart diebold because they deserve it |
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| 18:41.36 | ^Migs^ | http://pixyland.org/peterpan/ |
| 18:41.37 | brac | [Peter Pan's Home Page! ] |
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| 18:43.29 | goozbach | brac: enough! |
| 18:43.39 | goozbach | maybe that could be fixed |
| 18:43.40 | goozbach | ? |
| 18:43.56 | bent | hey ya'll |
| 18:44.28 | bent | does anyone happen to live in salt lake? |
| 18:44.50 | bent | and a member of the public library |
| 18:45.43 | bent | hmmmm |
| 18:47.07 | goozbach | bent: there may be a couple of people here who meet that requirement |
| 18:47.14 | goozbach | or not! |
| 18:47.20 | goozbach | goodbye bent |
| 18:47.24 | goozbach | ~get bent |
| 18:47.28 | goozbach | :D |
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| 18:52.42 | sjansen | http://www.rfc1149.net/blog/2006/05/22/writing-software-as-we-design-hardware/ |
| 18:54.22 | goozbach | define cludge |
| 18:54.32 | goozbach | cludge: |
| 18:54.41 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.46 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:54.58 | lars-ut | recommendations for a "search engine friendly" cms? |
| 18:55.34 | ^Migs^ | my Postnuke CMS is search-friendly, but only because I hacked the crap out of it |
| 18:56.18 | lars-ut | ^Migs^: that's what I'm wondering - maybe I should just be using static pages - I've got less than 20 major sections on this project. |
| 18:56.32 | ^Migs^ | what project? |
| 18:56.41 | lars-ut | for my boss |
| 18:56.56 | ^Migs^ | do the pages share anything in common? |
| 18:57.04 | nick125_ | well, you could write a little tiny micro CMS that serves static pages...in a template and such |
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| 18:57.13 | ^Migs^ | just use a templating engine instead |
| 18:57.26 | ^Migs^ | what are you developing it in? |
| 18:57.38 | lars-ut | just call php & cron it to static html? |
| 18:57.42 | nick125_ | I've made a little micro CMS with django and python, using memcache caching, and it worked pretty well.. |
| 18:57.52 | nick125_ | because of the memcache and lighttpd, got 3400req/s |
| 18:57.57 | lars-ut | nick125_: wow |
| 18:58.34 | lars-ut | ^Migs^: in answer to commonality, this is all debt/finance related. |
| 18:58.46 | ^Migs^ | anything stylistically the same? |
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| 18:58.52 | ^Migs^ | even just a header? |
| 18:58.53 | lars-ut | yes |
| 18:59.14 | nick125_ | I would've gotten more req/s if I had allotted more RAM to that VM.. |
| 18:59.28 | nick125_ | (I gave that VM 256MB) |
| 18:59.30 | ^Migs^ | I'd try to keep it dynamic, personally, but why do you need a CMS? |
| 19:00.00 | nick125_ | I like django because it comes with an administration interface with it, so, you can use that to add content.. |
| 19:00.02 | lars-ut | ^Migs^: I'm not sure that I do - that was just the first thing that came to mind because I can't do graphic design |
| 19:00.03 | findlay | ugh, HTML |
| 19:00.16 | lars-ut | we could hire a designer though |
| 19:00.28 | ^Migs^ | I could whip up a quick design for you |
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| 19:00.46 | lars-ut | ^Migs^: I'd consider it |
| 19:00.53 | lars-ut | lemme pm ya |
| 19:01.06 | ^Migs^ | you don't have to ask permission to pm, you know |
| 19:01.26 | nick125_ | and I could probably whip up a small CMS using ^Migs^'s layout |
| 19:01.38 | nick125_ | well, basically, it just pulls pages from the DB |
| 19:01.42 | ^Migs^ | we should make this a #utah group project |
| 19:01.54 | ^Migs^ | the pages are stored in the DB, with HTML tags, you mean? |
| 19:02.07 | nick125_ | yes |
| 19:02.13 | goozbach | oh noes!!!! YACMS |
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| 19:02.47 | nick125_ | I've also made a CMS where basically, theres a page container, and a bunch of sections to each page..thats something a little different.. |
| 19:02.53 | findlay | ha |
| 19:04.06 | nick125_ | I've also written a little MOTD/news system.. |
| 19:04.06 | findlay | what does this web thing have to do with the internet anyway, I mean the internet was probably just fine without those ugly sites that look like lightning struck a bucket of HTML tags |
| 19:04.18 | ^Migs^ | aw cmon |
| 19:04.31 | ^Migs^ | as far as I'm concerned, we need more 12 year old web designers |
| 19:05.09 | nick125_ | and more tables! |
| 19:05.35 | ^Migs^ | yes, tables are teh awesum |
| 19:05.53 | nick125_ | tables 4 lyfe |
| 19:05.58 | nick125_ | <3 |
| 19:08.56 | findlay | I admit that HTML can be made by skilled hands to look lovely, but my hands have no such skills |
| 19:09.30 | findlay | or, rather, html against all reason or design can be contorted into pleasing websites |
| 19:09.44 | nick125_ | it takes alot of skill to make HTML look good |
| 19:09.48 | findlay | just not by me (: |
| 19:10.40 | phinux | More like it takes a lot of CSS skill to make HTML look good. |
| 19:11.15 | ^Migs^ | everything should be Flash |
| 19:11.20 | nick125_ | noo...tables 4 life!!!! |
| 19:11.25 | findlay | flashy? |
| 19:12.03 | ^Migs^ | we could incorporate Flash AND tables |
| 19:12.10 | nick125_ | every site should be using tables, with a obnoxious 10 minute flash intro |
| 19:12.20 | findlay | why not format the HTML with troff? |
| 19:12.22 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 19:12.48 | findlay | and make it so that the intro can't be skipped |
| 19:12.54 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 19:13.04 | findlay | and it only runs on IE 5.5 on WindowsME |
| 19:13.05 | ^Migs^ | someone needs to come up with a "Down with XHTML" site |
| 19:13.19 | ^Migs^ | www.web0.5.com or something |
| 19:13.27 | nick125_ | lol.. |
| 19:13.35 | findlay | and make the flash window so big that you have to maximize your browser |
| 19:14.11 | findlay | actually, make the website change the browser window size and close all other windows too, especially the ones with unsaved work |
| 19:14.17 | nick125_ | yeah |
| 19:14.27 | nick125_ | theres a way to make the browser change size and such in javascript |
| 19:14.39 | nick125_ | like with the crafty syntax thing if you right click on their site |
| 19:14.53 | sjansen | gruff++ |
| 19:15.01 | sjansen | ~gruff |
| 19:15.02 | findlay | and have it play a really retarded theme song synthesized with the ugly general midi sounds |
| 19:15.58 | findlay | that way the user gets the full experience |
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| 19:16.15 | sjansen | ibot: gruff is http://nubyonrails.com/pages/gruff |
| 19:16.16 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 19:16.16 | brac | [Gruff Graphs for Ruby | Ruby on Rails for Newbies] |
| 19:17.36 | findlay | lars-ut: what do you think of our site now? |
| 19:17.40 | findlay | (: |
| 19:18.02 | lars-ut | findlay: which site? |
| 19:18.37 | findlay | the one we've been brainstorming |
| 19:20.11 | nick125_ | findlay: it's awesome |
| 19:20.11 | findlay | I know it |
| 19:20.13 | nick125_ | :D |
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| 19:23.07 | levi_ | sjansen: I posted that link earlier. |
| 19:23.35 | findlay | -urls | grep levi_'s link |
| 19:23.35 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help urls' |
| 19:24.14 | lars-ut | -urls 4 |
| 19:24.15 | brac | [2006/05/23 13:16:15] <sjansen> http://nubyonrails.com/pages/gruff |
| 19:24.15 | brac | [2006/05/23 12:41:37] <^Migs^> http://pixyland.org/peterpan/ |
| 19:24.15 | brac | [2006/05/23 12:02:57] <^Migs^> http://www.justinreeve.com/music/Comedy/Jim%20Gaffigan/Beyond%20The%20Pale/17%20Hot%20Pockets.mp3 |
| 19:24.15 | brac | [2006/05/23 11:44:32] <^Migs^> http://www.doba.com/catalog/31/ |
| 19:24.40 | ^Migs^ | the site needs to have at least 1000 validation errors, too |
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| 19:25.37 | ^Migs^ | due to its X-TREMEness |
| 19:25.58 | ^Migs^ | and plenty of iframes |
| 19:26.16 | lars-ut | no blink? |
| 19:26.21 | ^Migs^ | of course there'll be blink |
| 19:26.51 | ^Migs^ | that would be an interesting task. Figuring out how to get the most validation errors in the least amount of code |
| 19:27.11 | lars-ut | don't forget blue underlines that are not links |
| 19:27.41 | ^Migs^ | -urls 30 |
| 19:27.41 | brac | [2006/05/23 13:16:15] <sjansen> http://nubyonrails.com/pages/gruff |
| 19:27.41 | brac | [2006/05/23 12:41:37] <^Migs^> http://pixyland.org/peterpan/ |
| 19:27.41 | brac | [2006/05/23 12:02:57] <^Migs^> http://www.justinreeve.com/music/Comedy/Jim%20Gaffigan/Beyond%20The%20Pale/17%20Hot%20Pockets.mp3 |
| 19:27.41 | brac | [2006/05/23 11:44:32] <^Migs^> http://www.doba.com/catalog/31/ |
| 19:27.43 | brac | [2006/05/23 11:19:38] <wps> http://www.doba.com/services/pricing |
| 19:27.43 | brac | [2006/05/23 10:30:13] <levi_> http://www.rfc1149.net/blog/2006/05/22/writing-software-as-we-design-hardware/ |
| 19:27.45 | brac | [2006/05/23 10:25:35] <^Migs^> http://www.bash.org/?641942 |
| 19:27.46 | ^Migs^ | uh oh |
| 19:27.47 | brac | [2006/05/23 10:05:09] <ibot> http://research.sun.com/self/ |
| 19:27.50 | brac | [2006/05/22 23:08:52] <Jayce^> http://www.comics.com/comics/sheldon/archive/sheldon-20060521.html |
| 19:27.51 | brac | [2006/05/22 22:36:43] <bertbob> http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html |
| 19:28.05 | ^Migs^ | oh good |
| 19:28.14 | levi_ | Huh, why'd ibot have a link about self? |
| 19:28.32 | ^Migs^ | why do you think? |
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| 19:28.45 | ^Migs^ | ibot was hax0red |
| 19:28.57 | lars-ut | ibot self |
| 19:28.58 | ibot | it has been said that self is at http://research.sun.com/self/ |
| 19:29.02 | brac | [Self Home Page] |
| 19:29.05 | levi_ | Ah. |
| 19:29.23 | ^Migs^ | ibot ibot |
| 19:29.24 | ibot | rumour has it, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 19:29.27 | elg | levi_ aren't you at linux networx? |
| 19:29.55 | findlay | ibot ibot ibot |
| 19:29.57 | ibot | i heard ibot ibot is bad |
| 19:30.01 | findlay | ha |
| 19:30.03 | ^Migs^ | ibot ibot^2 |
| 19:30.07 | findlay | ibot ibot ibot ibot |
| 19:30.08 | ibot | from memory, ibot ibot ibot is good |
| 19:30.13 | findlay | ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot |
| 19:30.14 | ibot | [ibot ibot ibot ibot] bad |
| 19:30.16 | levi_ | elg: Yes. |
| 19:30.27 | ^Migs^ | ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot ibot |
| 19:30.33 | findlay | a recursive bot |
| 19:30.41 | ^Migs^ | ibot is awesome |
| 19:30.55 | elg | there's a link from LWN to a trib article about the nasa stuff |
| 19:30.55 | elg | http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_3854161 |
| 19:32.13 | levi_ | Ah, cool. |
| 19:32.15 | lars-ut | ~emulate farmer hogget |
| 19:32.17 | ibot | That'll do, pig. That'll do. |
| 19:32.17 | levi_ | What'd LWN say about it? |
| 19:32.49 | lars-ut | ~weather kpvu |
| 19:33.27 | ^Migs^ | ~weather roy |
| 19:33.32 | elg | http://lwn.net/Articles/184775/rss |
| 19:33.38 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 19:33.52 | ^Migs^ | hehe |
| 19:33.59 | lars-ut | does Roy have an airport? |
| 19:34.20 | levi_ | Ahh, not much. |
| 19:34.25 | ^Migs^ | Ogden does |
| 19:34.41 | ^Migs^ | but the airport is basically in Roy |
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| 19:34.58 | ^Migs^ | right by my house :) |
| 19:35.28 | lars-ut | hypothetically, do homemade incendiary launches count? |
| 19:36.13 | macnewbold | ~weathercode roy utah |
| 19:36.19 | findlay | that's right. We do a lot of costruction in that area |
| 19:36.32 | macnewbold | ~weathercode provo |
| 19:36.33 | ibot | well, weathercode provo is KPVU located in United States. 40-13N 111-43W. |
| 19:36.38 | macnewbold | ~weathercode roy |
| 19:36.45 | macnewbold | ~weathercode hill |
| 19:36.47 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, weathercode hill is KHIF located in United States. 41-07N 111-58W. Also see Ogden |
| 19:37.02 | macnewbold | ~weathercode ogden |
| 19:37.03 | ibot | from memory, weathercode ogden is KOGD located in Ogden-Hinckley United States. 41-11-37N 112-00-59W. |
| 19:37.09 | macnewbold | ~weather khif |
| 19:37.57 | lars-ut | cool. |
| 19:38.21 | ^Migs^ | ~weathercode cedar city |
| 19:38.22 | ibot | i heard weathercode cedar city is KCDC located in Cedar City United States. 37-42-24N 113-05-48W. |
| 19:38.29 | ^Migs^ | ~weathercode phoenix |
| 19:38.30 | ibot | i guess weathercode phoenix is KPHX located in Phoenix Sky United States. 33-26-03N 112-03-04W. |
| 19:38.34 | ^Migs^ | ~weathercode honolulu |
| 19:38.36 | ibot | it has been said that weathercode honolulu is PHNL located in Honolulu United States. 21-19-39N 157-56-35W. |
| 19:38.42 | ^Migs^ | ~weathercode paris |
| 19:38.44 | ibot | i guess weathercode paris is LFPB located in France. 48-58N 002-27E. Also see Le Bourget |
| 19:38.48 | ^Migs^ | sweet |
| 19:38.56 | macnewbold | ~weather lfpb |
| 19:39.19 | macnewbold | ~weather kezb |
| 19:39.28 | macnewbold | ~weathercode buenos aires |
| 19:39.42 | macnewbold | ~weathercode buenos |
| 19:39.49 | macnewbold | ~weathercode rosario |
| 19:39.50 | ibot | rumour has it, weathercode rosario is SAAR located in Argentina. 32-55S 060-47W. |
| 19:39.53 | macnewbold | ~weathercode argentina |
| 19:40.02 | macnewbold | ~weather saar |
| 19:40.02 | findlay | ~weathercode "point barrow" |
| 19:41.22 | findlay | man, FedEx and DHL are so retarded |
| 19:41.26 | lars-ut | ~echelon fodder |
| 19:41.28 | ibot | rumour has it, echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway |
| 19:42.18 | lars-ut | "Your communication is now being monitored. Again." |
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| 19:43.54 | macnewbold | ~weather sabe |
| 19:44.08 | macnewbold | ~weather saez |
| 19:44.12 | lars-ut | ah - just says "NSA" instead of "Verizon" now |
| 19:45.51 | lars-ut | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611323/posts |
| 19:46.20 | lars-ut | [EFF: AT&T forwards all Internet traffic into NSA] |
| 19:47.14 | mheath[laptop] | Verizon != AT&T. |
| 19:47.41 | findlay | .T&TA = ! nozireV |
| 19:50.24 | findlay | s/ur/ure/ |
| 19:51.11 | mheath[laptop] | 14.3 of 688.4 MB at 95.0 KB/sec; 02:00:56 remain |
| 19:51.15 | mheath[laptop] | I have some time to kill :P |
| 20:06.49 | nick125_ | wtf.. |
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| 20:58.32 | lars-ut | ~define moaroze |
| 20:58.35 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 20:58.35 | lars-ut | ~define moarize |
| 20:58.38 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 20:58.41 | lars-ut | ~dict moarize |
| 20:59.10 | findlay | s/moarizes/moralize/ |
| 20:59.14 | findlay | s |
| 20:59.29 | findlay | whatever |
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| 21:01.37 | Kuyaedz | anyone use/d mondorescue? |
| 21:09.58 | lars-ut | ~trill |
| 21:10.00 | ibot | from memory, trill is "a species of symbiotic lifeforms native to the Alpha Quadrant. Their home world is also named Trill. Trill is a very sparsely populated planet with only a few million inhabitants. Its oceans are predominantly purple." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trill_%28Star_Trek%29) |
| 21:10.44 | findlay | ibot: but what does it *taste* like? |
| 21:14.20 | elg | why the trash does this wc prepend a tab? |
| 21:14.42 | redbeard1 | ~trash elg |
| 21:15.22 | redbeard1 | ~tab elg |
| 21:15.39 | elg | what use is wc -c with a leading tab in the output? |
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| 21:18.18 | findlay | so you will learn how to strip whitespace from your input |
| 21:19.26 | maquis | anyone want to take a bio 100 test? |
| 21:19.46 | findlay | is that like the Indy 500? |
| 21:21.54 | maquis | findlay: kinda... except it involves answering questions about nucleotides and such |
| 21:24.36 | BL4 | findlay, I'll take your bio 100 test, but don't expect anything as good as a D :P |
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| 21:57.59 | lars-ut | findlay: http://www.sfsite.com/03a/cook52.htm |
| 21:58.00 | brac | [The SF Site Featured Review: The Star Trek Cookbook] |
| 21:59.03 | lars-ut | findlay: there is a "Trill Soup" reference there, but I'm not sure if it's for Trills, of Trills, or by Trills |
| 21:59.17 | findlay | 40 Trills |
| 21:59.18 | findlay | ? |
| 21:59.40 | lars-ut | ~dict for |
| 21:59.55 | findlay | for 40 Trills |
| 22:00.14 | redbeard1 | mmm, tasty tropical salsa |
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| 22:00.37 | lars-ut | not alliteration! |
| 22:00.39 | Jayce^ | good thing I didn't have a cold sore redbeard1, that stuff could kill somebody with one |
| 22:00.57 | lars-ut | redbeard1: does it have mangos? |
| 22:01.01 | findlay | oh, come on, it was an allusion |
| 22:01.03 | findlay | (: |
| 22:01.08 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, didn't you read the recipe? |
| 22:01.11 | redbeard1 | lars-ut: it does have mango. |
| 22:01.28 | lars-ut | ~spell omnatoepaia |
| 22:01.37 | Jayce^ | onomotopoeia |
| 22:01.38 | Jayce^ | : |
| 22:01.40 | findlay | one of the few Simpsons episodes I remember watching |
| 22:01.40 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:02.44 | redbeard1 | lars-ut: you should check out the recipe. |
| 22:02.48 | lars-ut | I always remember the ep w/ the organist playing the solo to Inna Gadda Davida |
| 22:03.12 | lars-ut | url? |
| 22:03.19 | Jayce^ | it's on openclue lars |
| 22:03.45 | redbeard1 | http://blog.josephhall.com/ |
| 22:03.48 | brac | [blog.josephhall.com] |
| 22:04.19 | lars-ut | that looks delicious |
| 22:04.28 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, come try some :) |
| 22:04.42 | lars-ut | nice presentation btw |
| 22:04.52 | redbeard1 | lars-ut: thank you |
| 22:05.00 | lars-ut | Jayce^: you guys aren't that far from me... |
| 22:05.09 | redbeard1 | where are you? |
| 22:05.17 | lars-ut | by themouth of the canyon |
| 22:05.25 | lars-ut | Canyon View Business Park |
| 22:05.29 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, head on up |
| 22:06.09 | levi_ | Coolest thing ever: http://www.quinapalus.com/wi-index.html |
| 22:06.15 | redbeard1 | lars-ut: you know those cookie things you had me pick up at the london market? |
| 22:06.25 | lars-ut | yeah. |
| 22:06.29 | lars-ut | hobknobs |
| 22:06.32 | redbeard1 | they sell them at pirate o's |
| 22:06.49 | lars-ut | Excellent. |
| 22:07.10 | lars-ut | the tarts were scrumdiddilyumptious |
| 22:07.36 | redbeard1 | what are bakewell tarts, anyway? |
| 22:07.51 | lars-ut | think crushed almonds in a tiny pie |
| 22:08.03 | lars-ut | almond extract tasting as well |
| 22:08.12 | lars-ut | similar flavor that is |
| 22:08.19 | redbeard1 | interesting |
| 22:08.21 | lars-ut | kind of a bready texture |
| 22:08.34 | redbeard1 | did they, you know, bake well? |
| 22:08.40 | lars-ut | and a bit of a jelly layer as well |
| 22:08.59 | lars-ut | and I thought my tart reference was a bad pun.. |
| 22:09.18 | findlay | lars-ut: how tart |
| 22:09.27 | lars-ut | ~google tart appreciateion day |
| 22:09.32 | lars-ut | D'oh |
| 22:09.42 | findlay | dough? |
| 22:09.49 | lars-ut | "Did you mean: tart appreciation day?" |
| 22:10.12 | lars-ut | oh, that's too funny |
| 22:11.05 | macnewbold | ~tart |
| 22:11.13 | ibot | i heard tart is another word for kelly brook. |
| 22:11.13 | macnewbold | ~dict tart |
| 22:11.15 | macnewbold | ~jargon tart |
| 22:23.12 | lars-ut | http://www.google.com/search?&q=tart+appreciation+day |
| 22:23.12 | lars-ut | first hit: UNIVERSITY OF UTAH EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION DAY September 29, 2005 ... |
| 22:23.13 | brac | [tart appreciation day - Google Search] |
| 22:23.47 | findlay | does google really know everything? |
| 22:24.15 | lars-ut | I guess I have to give Ms. Darlene Tart _some_ credit. |
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| 22:26.28 | redbeard1 | tensai: ping |
| 22:31.11 | macnewbold | redbeard1: tensai: pong |
| 22:32.06 | findlay | macnewbold: plink |
| 22:32.18 | Jayce^ | macnewbold: redbeard1: tensai: ping |
| 22:32.24 | macnewbold | mmm, plinko |
| 22:32.57 | lars-ut | levi_: I might actually be able to understand basic electronic components a bit after looking at that |
| 22:33.37 | levi_ | lars-ut: That's not necessarily how those components actually work, though it does model their basic behavior. |
| 22:34.20 | lars-ut | never mind, it just wnet over my head. |
| 22:34.51 | lars-ut | that didn't take long, unfortunately. |
| 22:36.07 | levi_ | Lost you at the ROM? |
| 22:36.13 | lars-ut-away | :) |
| 22:36.40 | lars-ut-away | I stopped trying as soon as I found out it was one of JWZ's screensavers |
| 22:37.06 | levi_ | One of my BYU CS classes was great for explaining how all the parts of a computer were built from logic gates. |
| 22:37.13 | levi_ | What's the screensaver have to do with it? |
| 22:37.40 | lars-ut-away | many of the modules of xscreensaver model different behaviors that baffle me |
| 22:37.50 | lars-ut-away | levi_: which CS class? |
| 22:38.24 | levi_ | I don't remember the number. |
| 22:40.12 | levi_ | Ah, it was 143. |
| 22:40.31 | lars-ut-away | thx |
| 22:40.47 | levi_ | Ahh, this paper describes the class: http://www.ncsu.edu/wcae/ISCA2000/submissions/penfold.pdf |
| 22:41.41 | levi_ | Looks like the closest thing they've got to it now is CS 124. |
| 22:42.06 | elg | gnucash is in first beta of 2.0 now |
| 22:44.30 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 22:48.25 | levi_ | Crappy, all the old CS143 web resources have been deleted. |
| 22:48.32 | levi_ | There was some good stuff there! |
| 22:55.38 | levi_ | Ahh, cool, archive.org has the lecture notes. :) |
| 23:03.08 | levi_ | Drat, only some of the lecture notes. |
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| 23:07.09 | [Utah]tristanbob | harleypig: Dapper (gnome) just changed the logout button again :) now it is a red square with a white power symbol |
| 23:07.32 | [Utah]tristanbob | anyway - going home |
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| 23:24.28 | flyboy^ | Okay, so my video connector has screws to keep it from being unplugged from the case. Why on Earth doesn't the power connector have screws? |
| 23:25.01 | flyboy^ | If my monitor gets unplugged - big deal. But I have accidently kicked the power out of this case THREE TIMES! |
| 23:25.09 | levi_ | Heh. |
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| 23:25.56 | flyboy^ | Would it be THAT hard for Dell/HP?/Whoever to come up with a new power connector with screws that is also compatible with the old kind? |
| 23:26.23 | findlay | you could tie the cord in a big knot around the tower |
| 23:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Aside from the fact that absolutely no one currently uses such a thing |
| 23:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | And some cords really have no spare space for a screw on the side |
| 23:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | They're not common, but they exist |
| 23:27.48 | flyboy^ | most power supplies I have seen are rather large and would easily accomidate some sort of latch/screw mechanisim. |
| 23:28.02 | flyboy^ | Maybe not for a 1u server with dual power - but for my desktop - yeah. |
| 23:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Most, yeah |
| 23:28.37 | flyboy^ | I guess I'm the only idiot out there kicked the power cord off the back of my computer then. |
| 23:28.47 | flyboy^ | s/kicked/kicking/ |
| 23:28.51 | ScytheBlade1 | My brother does it often :) |
| 23:28.53 | ScytheBlade1 | He hates it |
| 23:29.34 | flyboy^ | I will have to apply the hackers solution - either duct tape, or super glue. |
| 23:29.48 | flyboy^ | I don't know if the IT department will like either one though. |
| 23:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Duct tape... or weak super glue |
| 23:30.06 | graphyx | Here is a solution for you. |
| 23:30.11 | graphyx | Take a piece of paper |
| 23:30.18 | graphyx | Fold it up so it is thin and flat. |
| 23:30.32 | graphyx | And push in the plug with that paper on either side to jam it in. |
| 23:30.56 | graphyx | If too lose or too tight unfold/fold more... |
| 23:30.56 | graphyx | That will help some. |
| 23:31.34 | flyboy^ | I wonder if there might be something I can zip tie it to.... |
| 23:31.50 | flyboy^ | The fan guard perhaps. |
| 23:32.49 | elg | http://www.angryalien.com/ |
| 23:32.51 | brac | [Angry Alien Productions, Sase and Topsie] |
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| 23:36.15 | findlay | I wonder if you could use the Force to hold it in |
| 23:38.02 | flyboy^ | Stuffed penguines. |
| 23:38.18 | flyboy^ | The penguin beaks are perfect sized. |
| 23:39.01 | flyboy^ | A cover from an old O'Reilly book, and the metal part from a 3.5" floppy helps too. |
| 23:39.15 | flyboy^ | I'm going to have to write an article for Make. |
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| 23:51.13 | graphyx | flyboy^: Put a flickr shot up of it. |