irclog2html for #utah on 20060509

`00:00.05`	`vontrapp`	`different port`
`00:00.27`	`vontrapp`	`now if i could remember a way to start the server and leave my shell free to exit`
`00:00.41`	`Kuyaedz`	`gotcha must have misread.. glad it works. I guess, in the future, if you add any more just be sure to keep them above the wildcard listing.`
`00:00.41`	`herlo`	`screen would work`
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`00:06.52`	`elg`	`-lart vontrapp`
`00:12.07`	`elg`	`soc applications extended through tomorrow morning`
`00:44.38`	`jakea`	`hmmmm X-Men 3 tickets..... I still question if it will be any good.`
`00:46.51`	`maquis`	`-lart jakea`
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`00:47.31`	`jakea`	`Well, when FOX hosed a great director cause they are stupid....`
`00:48.00`	`jakea`	`course, he moved onto Superman Returns :)`
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`02:03.33`	`Kuyaedz`	`still having issues editing that video clip I have.. any suggestions for taking 2 minutes from a DVD?`
`02:04.31`	`tensai`	`mplayer/mencoder`
`02:04.42`	`tensai`	`it's ugly, but it'll work`
`02:05.16`	`Kuyaedz`	`don't even think I have mplayer installed..`
`02:07.02`	`tensai`	`I don't either or I'd find the arguments for you. I've done it before. The man page is pretty good, but long.`
`02:09.00`	`Kuyaedz`	`this is such a pain in my butt.. ever have one of those clients you wish you wish were never born? :)`
`02:11.09`	`tensai`	`o/~ When it rains, I don't mind being lonely, I cry right along with the sky ~/o`
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`02:43.15`	`tensai`	`man, it would be so awesome if somebody sent me an SIP ATA`
`02:43.46`	`jsmith`	`tensai: Ouch!`
`02:45.05`	`jsmith`	`tensai: Thanks...`
`02:45.41`	`tensai`	`well, I'm in Cheyenne. Let's meet in Omaha`
`02:46.29`	`jsmith`	`Poor guy... have to listen to the train all night...`
`02:46.55`	`jsmith`	`s/train/trains/`
`02:47.19`	`tensai`	`it's so true`
`02:47.31`	`tensai`	`and I listen to transport planes take off all day`
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`03:02.35`	`*** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org \|\| Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon (for certain definitions of "soon")`
`03:02.35`	`*** mode/#utah [+o ibot_] by ChanServ`
`03:04.14`	`maquis`	`wow.... that was one of the worst hacks ever...`
`03:04.16`	`maquis`	`but it worked`
`03:04.23`	`maquis`	`and i don't know why`
`03:06.13`	`maquis`	`moving a function from one source file to another, and shifting the declaration to another .h file should not have fixed the linking error`
`03:07.06`	`maquis`	`the fact that it did work is profoundly frightening`
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`03:12.57`	`tensai`	`maquis: what was the actual error?`
`03:13.09`	`maquis`	`it couldn't find a function that we had`
`03:13.12`	`maquis`	`when it went to link`
`03:13.20`	`tensai`	`"error: source file name too ugly, refusing to link"?`
`03:13.30`	`maquis`	`all the other places that the function was called found it great`
`03:13.39`	`maquis`	`all the other functions declared in that file were found without issue`
`03:14.20`	`maquis`	`undefined reference to calcDistance(position, position)`
`03:14.57`	`tensai`	`C?`
`03:15.04`	`maquis`	`c++`
`03:15.10`	`maquis`	`but... mostly c`
`03:15.22`	`tensai`	`did you try g++ -E and see if the function definition was actually included?`
`03:15.46`	`maquis`	`no... what do you mean by function definition being included?`
`03:16.08`	`maquis`	`we know that the source file could see the function declaration, because it didn't have a compile error`
`03:16.18`	`maquis`	`and the file that the function was in was being compiled correctly as well`
`03:16.18`	`tensai`	`g++ -E will output the source after all the #includes are done, so you can search through the output and look for calcDistance`
`03:16.42`	`maquis`	`we didn't try that, but if the problem pops up again, we'll try that`
`03:16.53`	`maquis`	`(and we'll remember that this function is picky about where we stick it)`
`03:16.59`	`tensai`	`you should run -E just to see what it does. it's rather interesting.`
`03:17.31`	`maquis`	`g++ -E foo.o?`
`03:18.03`	`tensai`	`no, .c`
`03:18.07`	`tensai`	`or .cpp, as it were`
`03:18.15`	`tensai`	`it's one of the first steps in compiling`
`03:19.50`	`maquis`	`lol`
`03:20.16`	`maquis`	`nm... we figured it out`
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`03:23.01`	`tensai`	`redbeard1: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/Difference_Engine/`
`03:23.03`	`brac`	`[Index of /~tensai/Difference_Engine]`
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`03:25.59`	`tensai`	`if anybody's curious, those are some geeky but good songs`
`03:26.22`	`tensai`	`unavailable anywhere else on the net. limited time only. step right up.`
`03:39.13`	`maquis`	`tensai: will they be available for a few days?`
`03:39.46`	`tensai`	`oh yeah, they're not going anywhere. I was just spewing cliches`
`03:50.13`	`QBFreak`	`either as in either will work, both could be nice though :)`
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`03:51.03`	`QBFreak`	`I suppose mplayer is what I want, though I was wondering if there was any other solution that existed, with some sort of remote support (either LIRC or ATI remote)`
`03:54.11`	`tensai`	`QBFreak: juk can be controlled via dcop. I would guess most, if not all, kde players can.`
`03:54.50`	`tensai`	`xmms has some command line capabilities`
`03:56.17`	`QBFreak`	`I'm planning to run the box headless, preferably booted off of CD (too cheap to buy a HDD :)`
`03:56.52`	`QBFreak`	`either that or the install needs to fit in a couple of hundred meg gets out the HDD box`
`03:57.16`	`tensai`	`couple hundred megs, that pretty tough anymore. but it can be done`
`03:57.51`	`tensai`	`there are a few command line media players. you could run one in screen.`
`03:58.40`	`QBFreak`	`aha, I found a 2GB drive`
`03:59.14`	`tensai`	`an apt-cache search shows moosic, mpd, mserv, and vux`
`04:02.25`	`QBFreak`	`hmm, mserv looks like it might be useful`
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`04:05.21`	`QBFreak`	`any suggestions for distribution, or just whatever I'm comfortable with?`
`04:06.24`	`tensai`	`debian, or the latter (which in my case is debian)`
`04:06.33`	`QBFreak`	`heh`
`04:07.08`	`QBFreak`	`I'm most familiar with Fedora but I'm willing to give it another shot, I got it (Debian) installed on my server a while back`
`04:08.54`	`tensai`	`yeah, it's great for servers. a little less so for desktops, but I still prefer it there too.`
`04:16.56`	`QBFreak`	`crap`
`04:17.02`	`QBFreak`	`there is no PS/2 keyboard connector`
`04:17.09`	`QBFreak`	`and I don't have any USB keyboards`
`04:17.16`	`mheath`	`Serial?`
`04:17.25`	`mheath`	`Parallel?`
`04:17.33`	`QBFreak`	`serial is only internal`
`04:18.15`	`QBFreak`	`plugs on the back: power, 3x USB (1.1), video, mic, line in, line out, phone line, and a PCI network card I installed`
`04:18.49`	`QBFreak`	`there is one internal serial port, and I do have some I can plug in if I need to`
`04:19.06`	`QBFreak`	`err, some of the DB-9 to 10-pin header`
`04:30.35`	`maquis`	`-lart pmcnabb`
`04:42.24`	`tensai`	`-lart maquis`
`04:47.26`	`maquis`	`tensai: what'd i do?`
`04:47.48`	`tensai`	`-lart maquis for asking questions`
`04:49.17`	`QBFreak`	`hmm, if this system works out I might try and install it in my stereo`
`04:49.31`	`QBFreak`	`the board and power supply are small enough to fit`
`04:49.46`	`QBFreak`	`the CD changer is busted and a CD-ROM drive should fit nicely behind the door for it`
`04:50.09`	`QBFreak`	`I'd just need to come up with a way to drive that nice display from the serial port`
`04:50.18`	`QBFreak`	`and the buttons`
`04:50.51`	`QBFreak`	`I've got the hardware to build an LIRC reciever`
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`04:51.30`	`QBFreak`	`and I'm pretty sure the speakers could quite easilly be driven from a soundcard, the whole thing is pretty cheap`
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`04:54.30`	`elg`	`-lart vontrapp`
`04:57.48`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`~date`
`04:57.49`	`ibot`	`It is now 2006.05.09 4:57:49 GMT`
`04:58.08`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`37 days!`
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`05:00.47`	`mheath`	`Until what? O.o`
`05:01.17`	`QBFreak`	`xbmodder_lappy: until you send me your laptop? :)`
`05:01.51`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`mheath, School ends for the year`
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`05:07.14`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`TimRiker, you need an account on an asterisk server?`
`05:07.39`	`TimRiker`	`that would work I think. trying out the sip support on a linux cell phone.`
`05:08.01`	`TimRiker`	`asterisk is port 5060 by default?`
`05:08.23`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`y`
`05:11.34`	`QBFreak`	`heh, I was wondering why USB keyboards were all USB1.1 and then I relized that no one really types that fast...`
`05:13.06`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`Type at 480 Mbps`
`05:15.31`	`tensai`	`TimRiker: SIP is 5060, yes`
`05:15.50`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`TimRiker, what cell phone?`
`05:16.23`	`TimRiker`	`motorola e680i`
`05:16.27`	`maquis`	`TimRiker: sup?`
`05:16.43`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`ewww GSM!`
`05:16.49`	`maquis`	`TimRiker: my bzflag bot can move across the screen if there are no obstacles...`
`05:16.59`	`tensai`	`TimRiker: config is in /etc/asterisk/sip.conf`
`05:16.59`	`TimRiker`	`oooh. ;-)`
`05:17.05`	`QBFreak`	`maquis: nifty`
`05:17.11`	`maquis`	`and it can completely miss the flag, and either run into the opposite wall, or run into an enemy tank`
`05:17.30`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`maquis, ooh`
`05:17.30`	`maquis`	`(running into any tanks (your own or the enemy) is automatic game-over...`
`05:17.41`	`maquis`	`it's bzflag1, though`
`05:17.43`	`maquis`	`1.7.2`
`05:17.58`	`maquis`	`which, btw, is not compatible with freebsd`
`05:20.28`	`QBFreak`	`this is sad, I go to buy a cheap USB keyboard on newegg and shipping is more than the keyboard`
`05:21.12`	`tensai`	`QBFreak: you couldn't find one for less at a meatspace store?`
`05:21.29`	`QBFreak`	`I'm too lazy to get out of my chair and go to walmart`
`05:21.35`	`QBFreak`	`and they're all thats open at 1:23am`
`05:22.02`	`tensai`	`well quit yer bellyachin' then!`
`05:22.04`	`QBFreak`	`still, only $10-11 after shipping`
`05:23.30`	`QBFreak`	`$18.74 for a USB keyboard from walmart`
`05:24.53`	`QBFreak`	`best buy doesn't seem to have a real selection at all`
`05:25.49`	`QBFreak`	`$19.99 from target`
`05:26.37`	`QBFreak`	`CompUSA isn't worth the drive`
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`05:26.53`	`maquis`	`-lart tensai for fun`
`05:26.58`	`levi_`	`Good evening`
`05:27.18`	`QBFreak`	`-g`
`05:27.46`	`levi_`	`Wassup?`
`05:28.02`	`QBFreak`	`plotting, the usual`
`05:28.13`	`maquis`	`http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,67970,00.html`
`05:28.15`	`brac`	`[Wired News: Rap Marketing Comes to Nerdcore]`
`05:28.19`	`QBFreak`	`and making everyone listen to my whining on USB keyboard prices :)`
`05:38.40`	`levi_`	`She's so /awake/, and I want her to be asleep.`
`05:41.03`	`tensai`	`but this is prime coding time. take this opportunity to teach her lisp.`
`05:42.02`	`mheath`	`sigh. I just got klined from an IRC network for suggestion to one of the ops that he should do something nicer for his mother on mothers day than just get flowers`
`05:42.16`	`mheath`	`He found this extremely offensive, like I was saying that his flowers weren't good enough`
`05:42.26`	`levi_`	`I have no sympathy for you. :P`
`05:42.42`	`QBFreak`	`heh`
`05:42.45`	`levi_`	`You /are/ extremely offensive. Has that not gotten through to you yet?`
`05:43.12`	`mheath`	`levi_: My mother died when I was 8. I never really knew her, and I never really had a chance to do anything for her on mothers day.`
`05:43.15`	`findlay`	`what about me? Say I'm offensive too`
`05:43.17`	`levi_`	`You say you are not so in real life, so I imagine you know how to not be offensive.`
`05:43.24`	`levi_`	`findlay: You smell funny.`
`05:43.36`	`findlay`	`ibot_: I'm offensive`
`05:43.44`	`mheath`	`levi_: I don't think that, given that situation, me suggesting in a polite way that he should do something more than flowers is at all rude.`
`05:44.41`	`levi_`	`Some mothers would /love/ to get flowers on Mother's Day.`
`05:44.51`	`maquis`	`yes`
`05:44.53`	`mheath`	`The last bit of the conversation before I was K lined: (it has a few swear words, I'll try to remove them, but sorry if it gets sent before I have a chance to edit)`
`05:45.08`	`maquis`	`it depends on the mom and how you know her...`
`05:45.32`	`findlay`	`what's with the \leaning quote\ marks, levi_?`
`05:45.39`	`levi_`	`maquis: He obviously does not know this guy or his mom very well, and therefore shouldn't be making personal suggestions like that.`
`05:45.50`	`findlay`	`been programming too much perl lately?`
`05:45.51`	`levi_`	`findlay: They're to suggest leaning text, i.e. italics.`
`05:45.59`	`tensai`	`I was raised by daffodils. my mother would be highly offended if I sent dead relatives to her.`
`05:46.00`	`maquis`	`levi_: that's true`
`05:46.00`	`levi_`	`For emphasis.`
`05:46.07`	`mheath`	`<mheath> Poseidon, probably something to do with the fact that your reaction to a guy who lost his mother when he was 8 years old and lived a rather messed up childhood becuse of it saying "<mheath> Poseidon, you should do something nicer than just flowers" is:`
`05:46.07`	`mheath`	`<mheath> <Poseidon> mheath, and you tell me that i am cold hearted`
`05:46.07`	`mheath`	`<mheath> <Poseidon> mheath, I LIVE FAR AWAY FROM MY MOM`
`05:46.07`	`mheath`	`<mheath> <Poseidon> DICKHEAD`
`05:46.09`	`mheath`	`<mheath> <Poseidon> JESUS CHRIST`
`05:46.11`	`mheath`	`<mheath> <Poseidon> I AM GOING TO ____ING GET RID OF YOU`
`05:46.35`	`mheath`	`levi_: You think thats an appropriate reaction to my 'rude' behavior?`
`05:46.47`	`levi_`	`No, but you didn't have to be rude in the first place.`
`05:47.05`	`levi_`	`It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what he gives to his mom.`
`05:47.18`	`mheath`	`levi_: Me and him were good friends at one time`
`05:47.24`	`mheath`	`I'm not just butting in some random persons business.`
`05:47.25`	`levi_`	`So?`
`05:48.03`	`mheath`	`levi_: thats taken a bit out of context, too, though.`
`05:48.28`	`tensai`	`well, Steve Jobs is now majority shareholder at Disney. What a strange turn of events.`
`05:48.42`	`findlay`	`wow, how did that happen?`
`05:48.47`	`mheath`	`When I said that...someone had brought up that mothers day was soon. He had FORGOTTEN, and runs off to hurridly preorder some flowers. He doesn't care.`
`05:48.57`	`levi_`	`Ugh, she just spit up everything she ate`
`05:49.19`	`mheath`	`I say he should do more than that, and suddenly I'm the worlds biggest jerk because...gasp he lives far away from his mom`
`05:49.58`	`mheath`	`Sorry, I'm just pissed off. Because....guess what? All I can get my mom are flowers! I never really knew her, never really did much with her, and had a messed up child hood beacuse of her prolonged illness and death.`
`05:52.41`	`mheath`	`I was just suggesting that maybe, instead of hurridly ordering flowers after he discoveres Mothers Day is 6 days away, putting some more thought into it. Making it a point to call and have a long conversation. Sending her some photos and things.`
`05:52.56`	`tensai`	`levi_: this is your first?`
`05:53.56`	`maquis`	`levi_: do you have pics up someplace?`
`05:56.27`	`QBFreak`	`I'm only really familiar with using samba for sharing files, does anyone recommend anything else for mounting a directory from one debian system on another?`
`05:57.01`	`mheath`	`QBFreak, NFS.`
`05:59.14`	`tensai`	`QBFreak: there isn't anything very good, honestly. nfs can work if you're on a secure network segment. samba isn't a bad choice either.`
`05:59.31`	`QBFreak`	`mheath: hope things look up for you`
`05:59.48`	`mheath`	`Hah. I hope they don't`
`06:00.10`	`mheath`	`Because as soon as I get my hopes up and put work into something, It turns out to be all in vain`
`06:00.22`	`mheath`	`So what I spent $180 in packets! so what I worked my but off for a few weeks!`
`06:00.45`	`mheath`	`A technical glitch in their online class website prevented a bunch of assignments from going through. Assignments that I don't have a copy of any more.`
`06:01.02`	`mheath`	`Not graduating again, which means I'm not leaving for a year bcause Utah won't let me get my GED until 18`
`06:01.21`	`QBFreak`	`tensai: secure enough I suppose, home network behind a NAT router`
`06:01.28`	`QBFreak`	`nobody's in the DMZ`
`06:01.38`	`QBFreak`	`mheath: :(`
`06:01.54`	`mheath`	`Also means I can't get into a decent college, and it also means no one will respect my education!`
`06:02.00`	`levi_`	`tensai: Yup, my first.`
`06:02.25`	`QBFreak`	`mheath: are you trying to say something about my education? :) (/me graduated from a community college)`
`06:02.27`	`levi_`	`http://www.xmission.com/~levi/Birth%20Photos/`
`06:03.01`	`levi_`	`mheath: No one gives a crap whether you got a GED or really graduated once you have a college degree of some sort.`
`06:03.13`	`mheath`	`QBFreak: I'm trying to say that I won't have so much as a GED for a year! I'm trying to say that I worked my BUT OFF for this, and it was all in vain.`
`06:03.23`	`QBFreak`	`there's nothing they can do?`
`06:03.29`	`maquis`	`levi_: cute!`
`06:03.38`	`mheath`	`I'm trying to say that I sent graduation announcements out to friends and relatives and its going to be awkward telling them that its not happening`
`06:04.15`	`mheath`	`QBFreak, I already was doing the things I could do. It was some online classes and some packets. I completed them all, but a technical glitch on their online classes made it so a bunch of my coursework didn't go through.`
`06:04.49`	`mheath`	`Meaning they think I never spent the days I spent on it, which means I don't get the credit, which means I don't graduate.`
`06:05.08`	`QBFreak`	`have you discussed that with anyone that might be able to help?`
`06:05.49`	`mheath`	`QBFreak, No. The counselor thinks I have those online classes completed, last update I gave her, because I thought I did.`
`06:06.08`	`QBFreak`	`you might want to get ahold of her tomorrow and see if there's anything that can be done`
`06:06.16`	`mheath`	`However, one teacher isn't answering my e-mails, theres no grading information showing up, and my assignments are no longer in their digital dropbox submisison system`
`06:06.42`	`QBFreak`	`blackboard eh? I never liked it`
`06:06.53`	`mheath`	`Same thing with half of another class; that teacher is answering my e-mails, and says she never received anything.`
`06:07.53`	`mheath`	`I lost the USB thumb drive I had all this saved on.`
`06:08.09`	`QBFreak`	`any idea where you lost it?`
`06:08.44`	`mheath`	`No.`
`06:08.57`	`mheath`	`I'm going to go in and talk to my counselor tomorrow. Don't know what she'll say.`
`06:10.40`	`QBFreak`	`you could try to pinpoint the last time you know you had it, and then trace your steps from there to the point where you realized you didn't, try to identify where it may have been lost at`
`06:13.36`	`QBFreak`	`hmm, I can't just add a user to a directory's group and chmod g+rwx the directory to allow the user to create files in it?`
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`06:14.38`	`tensai`	`QBFreak: yes you can. the user has to log out and back in before the new group shows up on his account though.`
`06:14.40`	`dilvie`	`Hello`
`06:14.49`	`QBFreak`	`tensai: ah, cool`
`06:15.38`	`maquis`	`dilvie: sup?`
`06:17.00`	`dilvie`	`maquis: I was just installing MySQL-Front.`
`06:17.17`	`dilvie`	`I'm going to play with it for development on InstantRails`
`06:17.23`	`QBFreak`	`dilvie: a very handy tool`
`06:17.43`	`dilvie`	`I've never used it before.`
`06:17.43`	`QBFreak`	`I used it when I was poking Ruby on Rails`
`06:17.58`	`dilvie`	`Cool.`
`06:19.08`	`maquis`	`dilvie: cool`
`06:19.17`	`QBFreak`	`tensai: all instances of the user, or just the ones that need to access the directory with the new permissions?`
`06:19.26`	`levi_`	`Heya`
`06:19.38`	`tensai`	`QBFreak: just the ones that want to access it`
`06:19.42`	`QBFreak`	`hmm`
`06:19.48`	`tensai`	`QBFreak: but it has to be a new login, not just another xterm`
`06:19.53`	`QBFreak`	`well, it worked on one box, I must have borked the other`
`06:20.02`	`QBFreak`	`I'm connecting via SSH`
`06:20.48`	`QBFreak`	`it failed to work on DS9, which is where I have IRSSI running through screen`
`06:20.51`	`dilvie`	`rails people: why isn't has_and_belongs_to_many just called many_to_many?`
`06:21.08`	`dilvie`	`hatb doesn't always fit the mental association.`
`06:21.13`	`QBFreak`	`I think I saw the answer to that once in a tutorial, but I never got into rails`
`06:21.15`	`dilvie`	`in fact, it often doesn't.`
`06:22.13`	`QBFreak`	`rails just aren't any fun without ginormous diesel engines pulling lots of equally big train cars`
`06:24.57`	`levi_`	`Hmm, this IDE has 'embedded beans'`
`06:25.10`	`QBFreak`	`pinto or lima?`
`06:26.46`	`QBFreak`	`permissions fixed, pebkac`
`06:30.37`	`tensai`	`night all`
`06:30.46`	`QBFreak`	`later tensai, thanks for the help`
`06:44.41`	`levi_`	`I think I got codewarrior all set up for programming the microcontroller. Now it's time for bed.`
`06:45.13`	`QBFreak`	`levi_: you do microcontroller stuffs?`
`06:51.18`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`QBFreak, why are you giving up on NFS`
`06:51.33`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`I know its a little annoying when it buggers out`
`06:51.35`	`QBFreak`	`qbfreak@Loxias:~$ sudo mount DS9:/var/music /mnt/music/`
`06:51.35`	`QBFreak`	`mount: RPC: Program not registered`
`06:51.42`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`:-(`
`06:52.06`	`QBFreak`	`read through a handful of message board posts and the like, didn't find anything that helped`
`06:52.45`	`QBFreak`	`I'm not even sure what its trying to tell me`
`06:59.28`	`dilvie`	`ruby seems to be good at expressing data models.`
`06:59.46`	`dilvie`	`is it also good at expressing procedural functionality?`
`07:01.36`	`QBFreak`	`is it possible to add a samba user that doesn't exist as a unix user?`
`07:01.43`	`maquis`	`~sing`
`07:01.45`	`ibot`	`ACTION sings loudly`
`07:01.49`	`maquis`	`~dance`
`07:01.50`	`ibot`	`i heard dance is ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' elive, stayin' elive..`
`07:37.52`	`maquis`	`~sleep maquis`
`07:37.55`	`ibot`	`ACTION sends maquis to bed without supper`
`07:38.16`	`QBFreak`	`laters maquis`
`08:23.54`	`QBFreak`	`I thought this would be easy, install debian, install mserv, start playing with it`
`08:24.53`	`QBFreak`	`but I made a critical mistake: I assumed that it would work, I should have known that computers _never_ just work`
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`12:14.49`	`goozbach`	`punk`
`12:30.29`	`goozbach`	`oh fine! don't respond`
`12:30.35`	`goozbach`	`PUNK`
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`12:42.37`	`sjansen`	`goozbach: sticks and stones`
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`13:03.22`	`synic`	`anyone know what time format this is? 3229866283`
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`13:13.22`	`goozbach`	`epoc`
`13:13.26`	`goozbach`	`epoch`
`13:13.29`	`goozbach`	`?`
`13:15.21`	`elg`	`epoch`
`13:15.24`	`elg`	`espock`
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`13:15.55`	`^Migs^`	`wtf?`
`13:16.58`	`elg`	`did you offend the bot?`
`13:17.54`	`elg`	`-lart Jayce^`
`13:17.54`	`redbeard1`	`tensai: you in yet?`
`13:18.11`	`goozbach`	`ibot_: what's with the tail?`
`13:18.32`	`^Migs^`	`no, I did that, but forgot about it`
`13:24.14`	`Jayce^`	`nooooo`
`13:24.20`	`Jayce^`	`-lart elg`
`13:28.37`	`redbeard1`	`~lart Jayce^`
`13:30.37`	`Jayce^`	`http://www.comics.com/comics/sheldon/index.html`
`13:30.40`	`brac`	`[Sheldon]`
`13:31.29`	`redbeard1`	`ow. dune always hurts my head.`
`13:33.15`	`Jayce^`	`good stuff`
`13:37.30`	`redbeard1`	`http://www.foxtrot.com/`
`13:37.33`	`brac`	`[FoxTrot by Bill Amend]`
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`14:11.52`	`redbeard1`	`wow. ibot_ really doesn't like you`
`14:12.03`	`^Migs^`	`yeah he's a jerk`
`14:12.15`	`redbeard1`	`ibot_: STFU too, pal`
`14:12.52`	`redbeard1`	`wow. you'd think that would provoke something.`
`14:14.10`	`elg`	`ibot_: you're an idiot`
`14:14.21`	`elg`	`ibot_: ibot_ ?`
`14:16.34`	`goozbach`	`ibot wantnick`
`14:16.42`	`goozbach`	`ibot_: wantnick`
`14:17.02`	`redbeard1`	`~lart ibot_`
`14:17.07`	`sjansen`	`~rlart`
`14:17.21`	`redbeard1`	`hey, it's that sjansen guy!`
`14:18.07`	`Jayce^`	`~dog sjansen`
`14:18.08`	`ibot`	`ACTION stares at sjansen until sjansen whimpers and pees all over himself.`
`14:19.14`	`sjansen`	`~cagefight Jayce^ and redbeard1`
`14:20.22`	`Jayce^`	`~tag-team against sjansen`
`14:21.02`	`redbeard1`	`~lart sjansen`
`14:21.21`	`redbeard1`	`whoa. see the violence inherent in the system?`
`14:21.38`	`elg`	`heh. that's a new one`
`14:21.47`	`sjansen`	`stupid bot`
`14:22.03`	`sjansen`	`maybe she didn't get my p/m`
`14:22.12`	`sjansen`	`ibot: cagefight $foo is <action> throws $foo in a titanium reinforced cage with Vlad the Impaler, Richard Nixon, Little Debbie, and a metal chair then declares that only one will be allowed to leave breathing`
`14:22.13`	`ibot`	`okay, sjansen`
`14:22.17`	`sjansen`	`~cagefight Jayce^ and redbeard1`
`14:22.19`	`ibot`	`ACTION throws Jayce^ and redbeard1 in a titanium reinforced cage with Vlad the Impaler, Richard Nixon, Little Debbie, and a metal chair then declares that only one will be allowed to leave breathing`
`14:22.42`	`goozbach`	`two men enter, one man leaves`
`14:22.43`	`goozbach`	`two men enter, one man leaves`
`14:22.46`	`goozbach`	`two men enter, one man leaves`
`14:23.14`	`goozbach`	`FYI RedHat Directory Server is pretty cool`
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`14:39.03`	`tensai`	`redbeard1: pong`
`14:39.12`	`tensai`	`QBFreak: do you have portmapper running?`
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`14:40.22`	`Jayce^`	`be warned, redbeard1 has tomatillos.. and he's not afraid to use them!`
`14:42.00`	`redbeard1`	`hey, it's the tensai man`
`14:42.08`	`redbeard1`	`~lart jayce`
`14:46.18`	`redbeard1`	`did i already miss tensai?`
`14:47.11`	`redbeard1`	`shoot. i missed him again.`
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`14:47.33`	`tensai`	`redbeard1: oh, now. I'll be here for the next 12-15 hours, working.`
`14:47.38`	`tensai`	`s/now/no/`
`14:48.07`	`redbeard1`	`tensai: hey, what's this difference engine stuff?`
`14:49.38`	`tensai`	`redbeard1: the songs I was singing yesterday`
`14:49.53`	`redbeard1`	`ah, gotcha`
`14:50.05`	`tensai`	`beige with noodles is the jolt song`
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`15:08.47`	`sjansen`	`So Scott Morris is becoming a Gnome user?`
`15:08.49`	`sjansen`	`sigh`
`15:09.02`	`sjansen`	`With friends like this...`
`15:09.07`	`Jayce^`	`fitting :)`
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`15:09.26`	`sjansen`	`~paint Jayce^`
`15:09.28`	`ibot`	`ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Jayce^`
`15:13.18`	`sjansen`	`Maybe I should challenge him to a death match. After all, he seems to be trying to steal my position as resident crackpot windbag.`
`15:13.35`	`Jayce^`	`ooh`
`15:13.41`	`Jayce^`	`king of the hill fight`
`15:16.43`	`goozbach`	`sjansen: and he seems to have more hot air`
`15:18.07`	`redbeard1`	`Jayce^: so, what's plug tomorrow night?`
`15:21.28`	`Jayce^`	`redbeard1, look at openclue :)`
`15:22.15`	`redbeard1`	`what the... mark lehrer? i don't know if i wanna go now.`
`15:22.47`	`Jayce^`	`lol`
`15:22.56`	`Jayce^`	`now that he just walked in, we'll have to tell him you said that :)`
`15:23.31`	`redbeard1`	`beat you to it.`
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`15:23.54`	`mlehrer`	`my ears are burning`
`15:23.59`	`redbeard1`	`~lart mlehrer`
`15:25.40`	`Jayce^`	`redbeard1 was commenting on your presentation`
`15:26.36`	`redbeard1`	`hey, your posting about it was just above that beautiful photo of that pasta salad`
`15:28.30`	`maquis`	`http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060509`
`15:28.34`	`brac`	`[UserFriendly Strip Comments]`
`15:29.13`	`mlehrer`	`what presentation`
`15:29.29`	`Jayce^`	`Plug`
`15:29.31`	`mlehrer`	`jk`
`15:34.00`	`^Migs^`	`http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060509/NEWS0107/605090363/1001&nav_category=`
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`15:38.00`	`levi`	`Yow.`
`15:38.11`	`levi`	`Something went seriously wrong with those kids.`
`15:39.12`	`Hhhhh`	`what is it?`
`15:42.58`	`^Migs^`	`your kids, Hhhhh`
`15:43.08`	`Hhhhh`	`oh crap`
`15:43.17`	`Hhhhh`	`what are the little n00bs up to now`
`15:43.35`	`^Migs^`	`http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060509/NEWS0107/605090363/1001&nav_category=`
`15:51.03`	`levi`	`Grr. My subversion client can't connect to my server, despite the fact that it's up and there is indeed a route to the host.`
`15:51.30`	`redbeard1`	`tensai: you're up in idaho, right?`
`16:05.19`	`redbeard1`	`wow. blogger's not doing too well right about now: "Your blog is under maintenance. Please try again after some time."`
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`16:09.57`	`sjansen`	`maquis: that's either a lie or a lousy camping trip... unless they have a satellite phone`
`16:13.01`	`sjansen`	`They "found" three guns? Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to own guns.`
`16:13.56`	`sjansen`	`folks: If you choose to own a gun, keep it locked up or keep it on your person. Don't leave it laying around for a burglar to grab or little kid to play with.`
`16:14.29`	`^Migs^`	`I really have to wonder what the parents are like`
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`16:16.25`	`sjansen`	`Gun cabinets and gun locks were invented for a reason.`
`16:17.15`	`flyboy^`	`sjansen: Marshmellows.`
`16:17.23`	`maquis`	`sjansen: lol`
`16:18.50`	`QBFreak`	`tensai: yes, portmap is running`
`16:19.03`	`elg`	`say, vim7 looks like it should be pretty spiffy`
`16:19.09`	`elg`	`http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce/message/161`
`16:20.33`	`QBFreak`	`samba seems to be working just fine for me, right now I'm trying to get the sound to work`
`16:28.43`	`levi`	`elg: It becomes more like emacs all the time! ;)`
`16:28.45`	`elg`	`you did hear it's been released`
`16:29.02`	`elg`	`levi: in all the right ways. mostly, anyway`
`16:29.19`	`elg`	`too bad emacs isn't becoming more like vim`
`16:29.20`	`sjansen`	`oo, cool, I'm at 0% battery`
`16:29.26`	`elg`	`-lart sjansen`
`16:30.03`	`levi`	`elg: emacs became more like vi a long time ago, with viper mode, but no one really uses it as far as I can tell.`
`16:30.10`	`sjansen`	`Maybe I've discovered a magical new power source!`
`16:30.25`	`elg`	`I don't mean a silly vi emulation`
`16:30.29`	`elg`	`why would anyone use that?`
`16:30.40`	`levi`	`sjansen: When you patent it and make your millions, you'll remember all the little people who helped you get where you are, right?`
`16:30.53`	`sjansen`	`levi: nope`
`16:30.59`	`levi`	`elg: I don't know. I don't know why anyone would want emacs to be more like vi, either. :)`
`16:31.12`	`levi`	`sjansen: Curse your selfish hide!`
`16:31.42`	`elg`	`you don't know anyone with rsi?`
`16:32.07`	`levi`	`elg: No, not that I know of.`
`16:32.41`	`levi`	`I've read blogs of emacs people who do weird things to their setup to deal with it, though.`
`16:33.28`	`^Migs^`	`eXtreme emacs`
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`16:35.13`	`{-}`	`Looks like my magically infinit power supply wasn't so magically infinite. :-(`
`16:35.27`	`^Migs^`	`shame`
`16:38.53`	`QBFreak`	`who writes the feature lists for newegg... "Three 1/2 bay designed front panel "`
`16:39.08`	`levi`	`{-}: Looks like you get to be poor like the rest of us. How fleeting was your glory!`
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`16:40.59`	`Hhhhh`	`there really are people who fail to be up-to-date and still use g/vi/m and emacs?`
`16:41.07`	`Hhhhh`	`wow`
`16:41.57`	`maquis`	`Hhhhh: are you saying that vim is not up-to-date?`
`16:42.29`	`Jayce^`	`darn vim7 isnt' working on my box though :(`
`16:42.44`	`{-}`	`I think he's expressing surprise at someone smart enough to use Vim and yet not smart enough to keep a system up-to-date.`
`16:43.00`	`maquis`	`oh...`
`16:43.07`	`{-}`	`I'm not sure why he lumps Vim users in with foolish and misguided emacs users.`
`16:43.27`	`Hhhhh`	`maybe because they're the same`
`16:43.32`	`maquis`	`where did the up-to-date part come from? i'm not seeing it in the previous discussion`
`16:43.37`	`levi`	`Hhhhh: emacs is not up-to-date in some senses, but it's still more configurable than anything else.`
`16:44.02`	`{-}`	`Hhhhh is afraid to admit he has Vim envy.`
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`16:44.15`	`levi`	`maquis: Hhhhh thinks that emacs and vim are hold-overs from bygone days, and that fancy new GUI editors are the way of the future. Or something.`
`16:44.18`	`Hhhhh`	`I have it installed`
`16:44.21`	`Hhhhh`	`I barely use it`
`16:44.27`	`Hhhhh`	`I don't like it`
`16:44.44`	`maquis`	`i think that, while vim may be older than many other editors, it's much better, and allows for significantly more productivity than things like kwrite...`
`16:44.48`	`maquis`	`emacs as well`
`16:44.49`	`levi`	`Most people who barely use vim don't like it.`
`16:44.55`	`Hhhhh`	`fancy GUI editors that take a one-key shortcut for compiling`
`16:44.55`	`maquis`	`i used emacs for my first year on linux`
`16:45.08`	`{-}`	`maquis: kwrite is a word process, not a text editor, apples and oranges`
`16:45.11`	`levi`	`Hhhhh: Both vim and emacs can be set up to compile with a single key.`
`16:45.15`	`{-}`	`s/ss/ssor/`
`16:45.16`	`Hhhhh`	`good`
`16:45.17`	`maquis`	`{-}: oh... kate`
`16:45.20`	`maquis`	`that's what i meant...`
`16:45.22`	`Hhhhh`	`I see they're starting to see the light`
`16:45.33`	`maquis`	`or eclipse`
`16:45.35`	`levi`	`Hhhhh: They've been able to do that for far longer than whatever editor you use has existed.`
`16:45.36`	`maquis`	`eclipse sucks`
`16:45.51`	`levi`	`eclipse is wonderful, if you happen to be writing Java code.`
`16:45.57`	`levi`	`And have a pretty fast machine.`
`16:45.58`	`{-}`	`No, Java sucks. Eclipse makes it suck less.`
`16:46.20`	`levi`	`It makes it so I have to keep less of Java in my head.`
`16:46.24`	`Hhhhh`	`no, levi, you're wrong, I'm right`
`16:46.29`	`maquis`	`{-}: well... possibly... i guess that my dislike for java made me dislike an editor that assumes i'm using java`
`16:46.31`	`Hhhhh`	`that's just how it is`
`16:46.34`	`levi`	`Hhhhh: Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up.`
`16:46.39`	`Hhhhh`	`np`
`16:46.56`	`levi`	`Hhhhh: Now, why don't you come back to the real world that the rest of us inhabit?`
`16:47.13`	`Hhhhh`	`you mean, get out of IRC?`
`16:47.21`	`Hhhhh`	`I will when I get hungry`
`16:47.21`	`maquis`	`gui editors are for n00bs and those who are stuck writing java...`
`16:47.27`	`{-}`	`So, in a way, Suck + Elipse = Less Suck solving for Eclipse results in X = Anti-Suck, commonly referred to as Rocks, so Eclips Rocks(tm).`
`16:47.44`	`{-}`	`s/X/Eclipse/`
`16:47.56`	`Hhhhh`	`haha, I think I hit maquis pretty bad`
`16:48.01`	`Hhhhh`	`no pun intended`
`16:48.06`	`maquis`	`Hhhhh: huh?`
`16:48.26`	`Hhhhh`	`nvm`
`16:48.32`	`maquis`	`ok...`
`16:48.33`	`Hhhhh`	`didn't mean to bug you so much`
`16:48.35`	`levi`	`Heh.`
`16:48.36`	`maquis`	`oh`
`16:48.37`	`Hhhhh`	`just trollign a bit`
`16:48.48`	`maquis`	`~troll Hhhhh`
`16:48.50`	`ibot`	`ACTION hereby declares Hhhhh a troll`
`16:48.50`	`levi`	`GUI editors are for people who like GUI editors.`
`16:49.02`	`maquis`	`levi: i suppose that's true...`
`16:49.03`	`{-}`	`Hhhhh: You've forgotten the higher law. Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong. So Levi might be wrong, but you are too. I'm right. Vim is the rock-meister, the pimp-daddy editor, the alpha and omega of text.`
`16:49.06`	`goozbach`	`how's this for dedication:`
`16:49.08`	`goozbach`	`real 6816m42.177s`
`16:49.08`	`goozbach`	`user 4214m20.047s`
`16:49.08`	`goozbach`	`sys 1047m15.135s`
`16:49.29`	`goozbach`	`that's how long it takes to compile ALL erratta src.rpms from RHEL4 es`
`16:49.32`	`Hhhhh`	`if you like pimp-daddies, that's fine, it's your right to like them`
`16:49.43`	`levi`	`And {-} is a nutcase.`
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`16:50.35`	`QBFreak`	`goozbach: and to think I was getting impatient because this kernel compile was taking a while`
`16:50.54`	`goozbach`	`statistily {-} has been more correct more of the time than anyone else who is hyper-opnionated on this channel.`
`16:51.35`	`vontrapp`	`so in rails you can render :partial => "foo", :collection => stuff, :spacer_template => "template"`
`16:51.55`	`vontrapp`	`what if i just want <hr/> for the spacer and don't want to create a whole new file just for <hr/>?`
`16:52.05`	`vontrapp`	`is there a way to pass that spacer as just a string?`
`16:52.47`	`vontrapp`	`oh, and tewk`
`16:55.39`	`{-}`	`nope`
`16:56.02`	`vontrapp`	`have yet to get close to getting it working in linux`
`16:56.48`	`QBFreak`	`hmm`
`16:56.52`	`QBFreak`	`thats a good point`
`16:56.58`	`QBFreak`	`considering where I intend to use it`
`17:03.32`	`QBFreak`	`now I have to figure out what else I want to get to offset the shipping on this keyboard...`
`17:04.11`	`vontrapp`	`from what site/`
`17:04.13`	`vontrapp`	`?`
`17:04.16`	`QBFreak`	`newegg`
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`17:06.58`	`QBFreak`	`anyone have any experience with wireless USB network adapters in linux?`
`17:10.20`	`redbeard1`	`QBFreak: yeah`
`17:10.44`	`QBFreak`	`how painful is it? :)`
`17:10.53`	`QBFreak`	`I believe I found a driver for the one I'm looking at`
`17:11.05`	`redbeard1`	`i bought a belkin usb adapter and fought and fought with it... finally took it back, bought the belkin pcmcia adapter sitting on the shelf next to it, and it worked out of the box.`
`17:11.15`	`QBFreak`	`heh`
`17:11.32`	`redbeard1`	`so, i don't recommend a belkin one.`
`17:11.42`	`redbeard1`	`apparently, most of the others work tho`
`17:12.07`	`QBFreak`	`so far all of the various Zonet things I've ended up with have worked pretty well for me`
`17:12.17`	`redbeard1`	`not familiar with zonet`
`17:12.40`	`QBFreak`	`I've used their KVM and wired ethernet adapters`
`17:12.52`	`QBFreak`	`and maybe something else...a USB hub?`
`17:13.21`	`redbeard1`	`couldn't help you with that one. i have a little one, but i haven't tried it since moving to linux.`
`17:13.45`	`vontrapp`	`QBFreak: ask elg`
`17:15.10`	`elg`	`huh what?`
`17:15.25`	`elg`	`oh usb wireless?`
`17:15.27`	`elg`	`do you need G?`
`17:15.53`	`elg`	`or is B ok`
`17:16.06`	`QBFreak`	`router does both, isn't G faster?`
`17:16.42`	`vontrapp`	`g is faster, but there's a higher probability of getting broadcomm i should think`
`17:16.57`	`vontrapp`	`elg: what was yours?`
`17:17.36`	`elg`	`i got a gigafast wf741-uic, it has a zd1201 chipset`
`17:17.41`	`elg`	`works great, drivers in the kernel`
`17:17.57`	`QBFreak`	`judging by the reviews of the one I was looking at, a good number of them are just plain flakey`
`17:18.00`	`elg`	`doesn't do wpa_supplicant though (even just wep)`
`17:18.12`	`elg`	`and I'm not sure about kismet. but it works well`
`17:18.58`	`elg`	`it's 802.11b. The zd1201 website I think talks about G versions as well, but the trick is getting a G adapter that they didn't switch out for some other chipset`
`17:19.09`	`vontrapp`	`there are the new broadcomm linux drivers though, so things that would be a real pain before would now jus be a small thorn`
`17:19.10`	`QBFreak`	`newegg doesn't appear to carry that one`
`17:19.14`	`elg`	`I think some of the netgear ones should work though`
`17:19.26`	`elg`	`there are several that use the zd1201 chipset, check the website`
`17:19.34`	`levi`	`Huh, I just got a call from a guy who wanted to recruit me into his business.`
`17:19.50`	`levi`	`Being a financial broker of some sort.`
`17:20.14`	`elg`	`congratulations. when you're a millionaire you'll remember us right?`
`17:20.30`	`QBFreak`	`ZD1211?`
`17:20.42`	`QBFreak`	`http://zd1211.ath.cx/`
`17:20.49`	`elg`	`http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/`
`17:20.51`	`vontrapp`	`... can't even fit three xterms across`
`17:20.54`	`brac`	`[Linux ZyDAS zd1201 802.11b USB Driver]`
`17:21.22`	`vontrapp`	`-lart hp`
`17:21.52`	`QBFreak`	`elg: this driver is B only?`
`17:21.57`	`flyboy^`	`What is that utah blog aggragator url?`
`17:22.00`	`elg`	`looks like it.`
`17:22.01`	`QBFreak`	`well, that chip`
`17:22.09`	`elg`	`right. the 1211 might be the g chip`
`17:22.09`	`vontrapp`	`er, brac, wait til after i get my laptop back on that one`
`17:22.13`	`elg`	`i'm a cheapskate, so..`
`17:22.18`	`QBFreak`	`heh`
`17:22.32`	`QBFreak`	`it depends on the price, I wasn't originally intending to buy one at all so... :)`
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`17:26.30`	`tensai`	`redbeard1: correct`
`17:26.44`	`elg`	`QBFreak: my gigafast came with a free usb extension cable`
`17:26.55`	`vontrapp`	`flyboy^: openclue.org/ut`
`17:27.02`	`tensai`	`warning, dns question ahead`
`17:27.04`	`elg`	`i did get it from newegg, but i'm sure they cycle things like this`
`17:27.07`	`elg`	`-lart tensai`
`17:27.43`	`tensai`	`say I want to return multiple A records for a name. can I force them to be returned in a certain order, or do they always get randomized?`
`17:27.44`	`QBFreak`	`(from a review) Cons: Purple-ish color`
`17:27.47`	`tensai`	`this is w/ bind9`
`17:28.04`	`elg`	`QBFreak: a little whiteout can fix that`
`17:28.32`	`QBFreak`	`I prefer spray paint`
`17:28.40`	`vontrapp`	`take of the casing and have a cool "circuit board" look`
`17:28.41`	`QBFreak`	`you get some of the nice sparkly automotive paint :)`
`17:28.46`	`elg`	`probably because you're less pure`
`17:28.47`	`QBFreak`	`vontrapp: that works too`
`17:29.09`	`vontrapp`	`just try not to break any antennea or anything`
`17:29.28`	`QBFreak`	`I had a friend who busted up his USB key pretty bad, we soldered the connector back on and mounted it between two pieces of plexiglass with hotglue, looked pretty nice`
`17:29.55`	`elg`	`i went swimming with my usb drive once`
`17:30.07`	`QBFreak`	`oops`
`17:30.26`	`QBFreak`	`I hope you let it dry completly before you plugged it in :)`
`17:30.46`	`QBFreak`	`Pros: pretty blue color.`
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`17:31.01`	`elg`	`yeah. it didn't work though`
`17:31.07`	`QBFreak`	`that sucks`
`17:31.09`	`elg`	`but I let it hang for a few days`
`17:31.20`	`elg`	`then tried again, and it sputtered for a few times but has worked fine ever since`
`17:31.21`	`QBFreak`	`did you clean the contacts?`
`17:31.31`	`QBFreak`	`cool`
`17:31.31`	`vontrapp`	`the chlorine probably ate out it's insides`
`17:31.36`	`vontrapp`	`-lart chlorine`
`17:31.55`	`elg`	`yup, that'll help`
`17:32.09`	`vontrapp`	`lol`
`17:32.28`	`vontrapp`	`and you thought it hurt your eyes before!`
`17:32.57`	`elg`	`no offense to dave, but in similar dilutions I think chlorine wins`
`17:33.50`	`vontrapp`	`well, if chlorine consumes ketchup like i do...`
`17:34.08`	`elg`	`~ketchup vontrapp`
`17:37.42`	`levi`	`Interesting article on Haskell optimization: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Wc`
`17:40.06`	`tensai`	`no dns gurus in today?`
`17:40.58`	`tensai`	`redbeard1: your pasta salad made my mouth water yesterday. can it really be so simple?`
`17:41.50`	`redbeard1`	`tensai: yeah, pasta salad is easy stuff.`
`17:41.59`	`redbeard1`	`but go with cheaper cheeses`
`17:42.47`	`tensai`	`redbeard1: oh, yes. I'm a cheep skate, don't worry about that`
`17:43.02`	`elg`	`no bradipo`
`17:44.21`	`redbeard1`	`tensai: one recommendation is to make sure you have about the same amount of pasta as everything else (1/2 pasta, 1/2 everything else)`
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`17:44.29`	`tensai`	`redbeard1: my favorite is colby jack`
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`17:44.52`	`QBFreak`	`well now that was bright of me`
`17:45.09`	`elg`	`sharp cheddar.`
`17:45.10`	`redbeard1`	`tensai: oh man. i actually really don't like colby. colby jack is okay because it has jack, but i can't handle colby. way too mild.`
`17:45.19`	`QBFreak`	`I order the wireless adapter and then it dawns on me that the system is USB1.1 only`
`17:45.36`	`QBFreak`	`redbeard1: its like wussy cheese or something`
`17:45.52`	`tensai`	`I prefer colby to cheddar. my mom was saying the other day she only eats cheddar if it's sharp. thought I might try that.`
`17:46.15`	`tensai`	`fine, everyone send me your colby cheese. I'll eat it.`
`17:46.19`	`redbeard1`	`i love sharp cheddar. the sharper the better.`
`17:46.31`	`QBFreak`	`especially on a toasted turkey sandwich`
`17:46.34`	`redbeard1`	`tensai: sorry, i don't have any. never buy it.`
`17:46.40`	`QBFreak`	`I knew thanksgiving leftovers were good for somethign :)`
`17:46.40`	`levi`	`Mmmm, sharp cheddar`
`17:47.00`	`levi`	`I'm partial to the sliced gouda cheese you can get at Costco for my sandwiches.`
`17:47.11`	`redbeard1`	`you know, orange cheddar is actually pretty rare in the northeast. they mostly only have white cheddar.`
`17:47.16`	`tensai`	`I also love provolone, muenster and swiss (not necessarily together, of course)`
`17:47.23`	`elg`	`mm, swiss`
`17:47.35`	`elg`	`-lart it`
`17:47.53`	`tensai`	`ham and swiss, broiled on toast. little parsley and black pepper.`
`17:49.54`	`sjansen`	`Sure, my broadcomm wireless kinda works now, but with all my travelling I have to use various networks. Some work immediately, some work eventually, some I've just given up on.`
`17:50.13`	`tensai`	`sjansen: what's that rfc site you like?`
`17:50.33`	`sjansen`	`rfcs.org is one`
`17:50.38`	`redbeard1`	`hey, what ever happened to perldoc.com?`
`17:50.43`	`sjansen`	`faqs.org is the other`
`17:53.00`	`sjansen`	`redbeard1: Haven't you heard? Perl is dying. No one uses it anymore.`
`17:53.25`	`goozbach`	`where no one == sjansen`
`17:53.27`	`tensai`	`rfcs.org is just a frame wrapper for rfc-editor.org`
`17:55.57`	`sjansen`	`~smother tensai`
`17:59.33`	`sjansen`	`http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060506234925.htm`
`18:00.22`	`sjansen`	`One can't help but wonder what the point of genetic "kill switch" is.`
`18:03.44`	`redbeard1`	`~lart sjansen`
`18:05.21`	`sjansen`	`~shave redbeard1`
`18:05.23`	`ibot`	`ACTION grabs the razor & shaving cream & chases redbeard1 until he sees sjansen.... then grabs sjansen & shaves sjansen from head to toe!`
`18:05.46`	`sjansen`	`NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1`
`18:05.54`	`redbeard1`	`oh man.`
`18:05.59`	`redbeard1`	`that was awesome.`
`18:06.25`	`Jayce^`	`sweeet`
`18:06.33`	`redbeard1`	`sjansen only wishes his beard were as awesome as mine`
`18:06.47`	`redbeard1`	`his old, shorn beard`
`18:07.02`	`^Migs^`	`I used to have a pretty l33t b34rd`
`18:07.16`	`^Migs^`	`I got tired of my mother harassing me about it, though`
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`18:07.27`	`^Migs^`	`I don't know why I just called it a l33t b34rd`
`18:11.14`	`vontrapp`	`QBFreak: your system is 1.1 only or the adapter is?`
`18:11.50`	`QBFreak`	`the system I intend to put it on`
`18:12.03`	`vontrapp`	`d'oh`
`18:12.06`	`sjansen`	`Years from now, we're going to look back at this decades trademarks and think "ew, gross, what were they thinking?" Much like we look at bell bottoms and wonder the same.`
`18:12.28`	`vontrapp`	`decades?`
`18:12.50`	`sjansen`	`s/des/de's/`
`18:13.12`	`vontrapp`	`de-ca-des or hundreds of years?`
`18:13.50`	`sjansen`	`This decade. iMac, iPlanet, iPoop, Intel Viiv, Nintendo Wii, etc.`
`18:14.11`	`sjansen`	`singular decade, possessive`
`18:14.21`	`^Migs^`	`why are you only listing stuff from within the past couple years. We're already 6 years into this decade`
`18:14.31`	`vontrapp`	`iPaper`
`18:14.34`	`redbeard1`	`sjansen: i'm already thinking that about WII`
`18:14.35`	`elg`	`reality tv`
`18:14.37`	`vontrapp`	`iMushroom`
`18:14.44`	`elg`	`is WII short for WWII?`
`18:14.50`	`^Migs^`	`yes`
`18:14.55`	`^Migs^`	`World II`
`18:14.55`	`vontrapp`	`elg: no, you pronounce it weeeeee`
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`18:15.16`	`vontrapp`	`nintendo weee`
`18:15.20`	`QBFreak`	`whee!`
`18:15.22`	`^Migs^`	`no`
`18:15.23`	`redbeard1`	`just imagine, millions of geeks going home after work to wii`
`18:15.26`	`^Migs^`	`weeeee`
`18:15.31`	`QBFreak`	`weebles wobble but they don't fall down?`
`18:15.43`	`^Migs^`	`Nintendo Wii is going to piss all over the competition`
`18:15.49`	`vontrapp`	`-topple ^Migs^`
`18:15.50`	`phinux`	`http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot`
`18:17.01`	`vontrapp`	`more like tinkle all over itself`
`18:17.24`	`^Migs^`	`you don't understand. Wii symbolizes unitedness, togetherness. You can't go wrong with world harmony.`
`18:17.39`	`^Migs^`	`are you ... AGAINST ... world harmony?`
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`18:17.41`	`*** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`18:17.46`	`vontrapp`	`"Nintendo for human beings"`
`18:18.15`	`^Migs^`	`me too`
`18:18.18`	`^Migs^`	`I've never had a double space`
`18:18.20`	`^Migs^`	`ever`
`18:18.34`	`vontrapp`	`i blame it on network latency`
`18:19.07`	`vontrapp`	`~blame world harmony`
`18:19.08`	`ibot`	`ACTION blames world harmony for the end of the Internet as we know it`
`18:19.26`	`vontrapp`	`there you have it`
`18:19.35`	`vontrapp`	`if it weren't for world harmony i would type better`
`18:19.39`	`redbeard1`	`~dog Nintendo Wii`
`18:19.40`	`ibot`	`ACTION stares at Nintendo Wii until Nintendo Wii whimpers and pees all over himself.`
`18:19.55`	`redbeard1`	`(that was for you, vontrapp)`
`18:20.10`	`vontrapp`	`Wii!`
`18:20.24`	`vontrapp`	`or Wii?`
`18:20.25`	`redbeard1`	`oui oui!`
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`18:35.21`	`redbeard1`	`wow. i must have a lot of tmbg in my playlist... it's on random, and they've come up 4 times in a row`
`18:45.35`	`^Migs^`	`maybe things aren't as random as they appear`
`18:48.04`	`^Migs^`	`geez`
`18:48.31`	`^Migs^`	`I was trying to talk to our purchasing agent in our Groupwise instant messenger, and for some reason she just called me up to tell me what she wanted`
`18:48.42`	`^Migs^`	`people REALLY need to learn the basic tech tools`
`18:48.49`	`levi`	`So, what exactly is the events/0 process in linux?`
`18:48.49`	`^Migs^`	`or tech techniques, if you will`
`18:49.16`	`^Migs^`	`people think I'm a god around here`
`18:49.59`	`levi`	`Don't let it get to your head.`
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`18:50.30`	`levi`	`elg: do you happen to know what the events/0 thread is?`
`18:50.35`	`^Migs^`	`if enough people believe in something, is that enough to make it real?`
`18:50.41`	`levi`	`No.`
`18:51.16`	`elg`	`it does something with events I think`
`18:51.33`	`^Migs^`	`I mean, there are hundreds of people, each of them believing I'm amazing, incredible, and wield the power of the Internet in the palm of my hand. Reality is what people deem to be real.`
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`18:52.15`	`findlay`	`what's ouie?`
`18:52.21`	`^Migs^`	`not ouie. Wii.`
`18:52.24`	`^Migs^`	`WEEEEE`
`18:52.47`	`levi`	`^Migs^: Only if you don't believe in objective reality.`
`18:53.05`	`levi`	`Well, that is, only if objective reality doesn't, in fact, exist.`
`18:53.14`	`levi`	`Your belief in it is immaterial.`
`18:54.40`	`findlay`	`this preempt kernel has segfaulted on me about 1 score times`
`18:54.48`	`^Migs^`	`dang, I'm so freakin awesome`
`18:55.13`	`^Migs^`	`is it just me, or was the 2-hour special of David Blaine pointless, since he didn't accomplish what he set out to do?`
`18:55.18`	`^Migs^`	`I mean, wtf, why was it on TV?`
`18:55.30`	`^Migs^`	`I should announce I'm going to race around the world in record time just to get a TV show`
`18:55.41`	`^Migs^`	`hahahahaha: http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/news/local/2715034.shtml`
`18:55.43`	`brac`	`[Mom accused of helping bake Ex-Lax cookies]`
`18:55.51`	`levi`	`^Migs^: How long did he actually hold his breath?`
`18:56.03`	`^Migs^`	`he was a minute short of the record, I think`
`18:56.12`	`^Migs^`	`he was going to go 9 minutes or something.`
`18:56.30`	`^Migs^`	`I think he did 2 minutes. Somehow that stretched out to 2 hours of television.`
`18:57.29`	`^Migs^`	`never mind, it was 7 minutes. Record is 8 minutes 58 seconds`
`18:58.15`	`levi`	`He'd been underwater for how long before that?`
`18:58.30`	`levi`	`I thought he was supposed to die if he didn't make it.`
`18:58.46`	`^Migs^`	`yeah, why didn't he die? That pansy.`
`18:58.52`	`levi`	`I mean, what's the thrill if he can just tap out whenever he wants?`
`18:59.23`	`^Migs^`	`I'm going to start an anti-David Blaine blog`
`19:00.14`	`levi`	`I'll leave a comment there or something.`
`19:02.31`	`levi`	`Coolest programming language evar! http://www.cliff.biffle.org/esoterica/beatnik.html`
`19:02.32`	`brac`	`[Beatnik]`
`19:02.33`	`^Migs^`	`no, I lost interest in the idea`
`19:03.54`	`^Migs^`	`I'm going to write a web portal in Beatnik`
`19:04.13`	`findlay`	`I'm going to write an epic poem in Beatnik`
`19:04.30`	`levi`	`findlay: But what would it /do/?`
`19:05.02`	`findlay`	`levi: it's about what it does to /you/ when you read it`
`19:05.11`	`findlay`	`or the computer for that matter`
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`19:05.42`	`findlay`	`I bet my computer can appreciate fine poetry`
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`19:19.02`	`sjansen`	`^Migs^: If it makes you feel better, I don't think you're any type of diety.`
`19:19.54`	`levi`	`redbeard1: Oh, BTW, you can get Cock'n'Bull ginger ale at Albertsons.`
`19:21.28`	`^Migs^`	`fantastic!`
`19:21.40`	`^Migs^`	`sjansen: Be grateful I'm a forgiving deity`
`19:23.15`	`sjansen`	`levi: You got the punctuation wrong. It should have been: Coolest. Programming Language. Ever.`
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`19:24.27`	`levi`	`sjansen: Okay, you can imagine some extra punctuation in my sentence if it makes you feel better.`
`19:24.45`	`findlay`	`and you spelled evar wrong`
`19:24.49`	`sjansen`	`~shun levi`
`19:24.51`	`ibot`	`You are dead to me, levi.`
`19:28.04`	`findlay`	`NNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!`
`19:46.14`	`harleypig`	`Hmmm ... so what we need is a program that will spit out words that match a particular score.`
`19:47.24`	`obfuscated`	`sjansen: what's your digg nick? I want more friends :-(`
`19:48.37`	`tensai`	`digg, shmigg`
`19:48.45`	`Jayce^`	`if you gotta do that to get friends, it says a lot :)`
`19:49.14`	`sjansen`	`Argh. I have yet to figure out a fool proof way of explain absolute and relative paths.`
`19:49.18`	`Jayce^`	`~lart digg`
`19:49.49`	`Jayce^`	`sjansen, directions from where we are now, and directions from your house`
`19:49.50`	`Jayce^`	`?`
`19:49.51`	`sjansen`	`obfuscated: I was kidding. Wasting time posting to digg isn't my cup of tea. I prefer to waste time flooding #utah.`
`19:50.06`	`Jayce^`	`that worked last time I had to help somebody`
`19:50.15`	`sjansen`	`Jayce^: I'll try it next time I teach.`
`19:51.12`	`sjansen`	`... The physical metaphor might just do the trick.`
`19:52.19`	`redbeard1`	`~flood sjansen`
`19:52.21`	`ibot`	`ACTION blasts sjansen with a huge firehose then strangles sjansen with it`
`19:53.23`	`sjansen`	`redbeard1: Don't make me sing.`
`19:54.22`	`obfuscated`	`Jayce^: I get all my friends digitally ;-)`
`19:55.09`	`redbeard1`	`obfuscated: i scared me to think of all the things that phrase could mean.`
`19:55.30`	`Jayce^`	`that phrase could scare harleypig`
`19:55.38`	`obfuscated`	`redbeard1: maybe I'm digital - you ever met me?`
`19:55.43`	`redbeard1`	`s/i scrared/it scares/`
`19:56.09`	`eliza`	`you don't say? tell me more.`
`19:56.25`	`findlay`	`sjansen: sing, sing`
`19:56.40`	`redbeard1`	`Jayce^: isn't obfuscated a dude? and now a crossdressing one at that.`
`19:56.49`	`sjansen`	`o/~ Hoy es un día normal pero yo voy a hacerlo intenso ~/o`
`19:56.49`	`sjansen`	`o/~ Hoy puede apagarse el sol pero no la luz de mi alma ~/o`
`19:56.49`	`sjansen`	`o/~ En un día como hoy caminaré más despacio ~/o`
`19:56.49`	`sjansen`	`o/~ En un día como hoy defenderé mi verdad ~/o`
`19:56.49`	`sjansen`	`o/~ En un día como hoy te amarraré con mis brazos ~/o`
`19:56.51`	`sjansen`	`o/~ En un día como hoy ~/o`
`19:56.53`	`sjansen`	`o/~ Porque nunca sabes lo que tienes hasta que lo pierdes ~/o`
`19:56.55`	`sjansen`	`o/~ Y lamentablemente nunca vuelve ~/o`
`19:58.31`	`harleypig`	`Oh. That wouldn't scare me.`
`19:58.37`	`harleypig`	`Just get my attention.`
`20:00.05`	`Jayce^`	`sjansen, get a real language`
`20:00.12`	`obfuscated`	`harleypig: I think we met digitally`
`20:00.18`	`obfuscated`	`via plug`
`20:00.23`	`obfuscated`	`then we met in person`
`20:00.28`	`obfuscated`	`:-)`
`20:00.29`	`Jayce^`	`ewwwwwwwwwww!!!!!`
`20:00.42`	`obfuscated`	`I met Jayce^ in person first I think`
`20:00.59`	`Jayce^`	`yeah, dan hired you then left that same week`
`20:01.08`	`obfuscated`	`yeah - well, a couple weeks later`
`20:01.10`	`harleypig`	`:D`
`20:02.08`	`mheath`	`mmm, I love wikipedia :)`
`20:03.00`	`obfuscated`	`~wiki mheath`
`20:03.11`	`redbeard1`	`~lart obfuscated`
`20:03.32`	`obfuscated`	`~whaleslap redbeard1`
`20:03.33`	`ibot`	`ACTION beats redbeard1 upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
`20:03.35`	`redbeard1`	`~dict obfuscated`
`20:06.29`	`Jayce^`	`~lart IDI`
`20:06.43`	`Jayce^`	`obfuscated, you hear that IDI no longer has any in house developers`
`20:07.01`	`redbeard1`	`heh. IDI. all the good developers jumped ship early`
`20:07.09`	`Jayce^`	`hoov is their only guy, and he is contract`
`20:07.18`	`obfuscated`	`Jayce^: LOL!`
`20:07.26`	`obfuscated`	`poor hoov`
`20:07.31`	`obfuscated`	`hopefully he's making good money`
`20:07.38`	`Jayce^`	`yeah`
`20:07.51`	`Jayce^`	`redbeard1, it's the truth`
`20:08.02`	`redbeard1`	`IDI, just cracks me up. almost as bad as OGF.`
`20:08.08`	`obfuscated`	`redbeard1: what's your first name?`
`20:08.14`	`redbeard1`	`obfuscated: red`
`20:08.29`	`Jayce^`	`I had to wait a year to leave that place just so I couldn't be blamed for 'collusion' with other people`
`20:08.29`	`obfuscated`	`redbeard1: is this Joe?`
`20:08.44`	`Jayce^`	`is what joe?`
`20:08.53`	`obfuscated`	`is redbeard1 joe`
`20:09.15`	`tensai`	`the results are in. yes you can put DNS answers in a certain order, but it's not guaranteed to mean anything.`
`20:09.19`	`obfuscated`	`how does redbeard1 know about IDI and OGF?`
`20:09.22`	`tensai`	`obfuscated: try /whois`
`20:09.32`	`redbeard1`	`my landlord used to work for OGF.`
`20:09.42`	`obfuscated`	`lol`
`20:09.54`	`obfuscated`	`yeah - I think I met redbeard1 in person first too`
`20:09.54`	`redbeard1`	`he jumped ship and went to some other place`
`20:10.03`	`obfuscated`	`sorry redbeard1 didn't realize who you were`
`20:10.18`	`obfuscated`	`redbeard1: who was your landlord?`
`20:10.35`	`redbeard1`	`bart`
`20:11.12`	`Jayce^`	`obfuscated, also, did you know that Alan isn't with OGF anymore?`
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`20:11.28`	`obfuscated`	`Jayce^: really? What happened?`
`20:11.37`	`Jayce^`	`bought him out to get him out of there`
`20:11.51`	`obfuscated`	`did Beck kick him out?`
`20:11.52`	`Jayce^`	`they realized how much he'd messed things up`
`20:12.03`	`Jayce^`	`afaik no beck either....`
`20:12.34`	`obfuscated`	`good 'ol Donny :-)`
`20:12.57`	`obfuscated`	`that was the worst job I ever had at OGF`
`20:13.06`	`obfuscated`	`they treated me worse there than any other place`
`20:13.46`	`findlay`	`sweet, gnome-2.14`
`20:14.05`	`obfuscated`	`I still have several accounts with them though`
`20:15.13`	`flyboy^`	`OGF?`
`20:15.36`	`flyboy^`	`http://oregongreenfree.com/`
`20:15.52`	`Jayce^`	`onegreatfamily.com (one dysfunctional family when we worked there)`
`20:16.06`	`obfuscated`	`no kidding`
`20:16.24`	`obfuscated`	`Dale still has my old drill bit - I need to hit him up for that some time`
`20:17.22`	`flyboy^`	`What made them so bad?`
`20:18.11`	`obfuscated`	`flyboy^: they hated what their website was written on, yet it was their primary method of making money`
`20:18.31`	`obfuscated`	`so the person writing the website code got a ton of crap for working hard`
`20:18.48`	`obfuscated`	`that and a slew of other things`
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`20:20.18`	`flyboy^`	`I guess you need to know the details.`
`20:20.28`	`harleypig`	`wow ... I just saw one of those 1" cube MP3 players ...`
`20:20.32`	`harleypig`	`1GB`
`20:20.36`	`obfuscated`	`yeah - Jayce^ and I could go on and on`
`20:20.37`	`harleypig`	`nice lcd screen.`
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`20:21.24`	`*** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`20:21.25`	`tensai`	`harleypig: I saw one of those at target the other day. it seemed like it would be awkward. wouldn't fit right in my pocket.`
`20:21.44`	`flyboy^`	`tensai: Maybe it's so cool they figure you'll never put it in your pocket?`
`20:21.52`	`obfuscated`	`yeah - wait for the 8gb nano`
`20:22.04`	`findlay`	`I bet you could duct tape it to your arm`
`20:22.41`	`findlay`	`ibot: I didn't recognize you with the tail_`
`20:22.43`	`ibot`	`You didn't recognize you with the tail_?`
`20:22.57`	`flyboy^`	`Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads... and 1" cubed MP3 players.`
`20:23.00`	`findlay`	`ibot: tell me more about tail_`
`20:23.29`	`redbeard1`	`flyboy^: haven't heard that song in a long time`
`20:25.06`	`obfuscated`	`I can't seem to program ibot for some reason`
`20:25.33`	`obfuscated`	`~literal test`
`20:25.36`	`ibot`	`"test" is "<reply> Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! \|\| <reply> Test Passed! \|\| <reply> Test Failed!"`
`20:25.44`	`obfuscated`	`~literal test2`
`20:25.45`	`ibot`	`"test2" is "DivX;-)Mpeg-4 Fast-Motion"`
`20:25.51`	`obfuscated`	`~literal test3`
`20:25.59`	`flyboy^`	`Does anyone here have a decent sized (5+ servers) MySQL replication cluster in production?`
`20:26.06`	`obfuscated`	`~test3 is test`
`20:26.07`	`ibot`	`obfuscated: okay`
`20:26.12`	`obfuscated`	`hmmm`
`20:26.13`	`obfuscated`	`weird`
`20:26.29`	`redbeard1`	`~obfuscated is weird`
`20:26.31`	`ibot`	`...but obfuscated is already something else...`
`20:26.39`	`redbeard1`	`boy, i'll say`
`20:26.42`	`obfuscated`	`~obfuscate this`
`20:27.00`	`obfuscated`	`~obfuscate is <action> runs s!$1!!g on $1`
`20:27.01`	`ibot`	`obfuscated: okay`
`20:27.10`	`obfuscated`	`~obfuscate this`
`20:27.32`	`obfuscated`	`hmmm...couldn't pm that for some reason`
`20:27.45`	`obfuscated`	`~obfuscate test`
`20:28.01`	`findlay`	`~obviate`
`20:28.22`	`findlay`	`~occlude`
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`20:37.11`	`tensai`	`flyboy^: sorry, my largest is 2`
`20:38.28`	`flyboy^`	`tensai: Is that 2 slaves, or 1 master, 1 slave?`
`20:41.00`	`tensai`	`1 master, 1 slave. the replication is two-way, though.`
`20:42.43`	`sjansen`	`Jayce^: An entire year? Geez, I'd have waited two months tops.`
`20:45.35`	`sjansen`	`vvvvvvvvv Jayce^: Just for you vvvvvvvvv`
`20:45.36`	`sjansen`	`o/~ Olha que coisa mais linda ~/o`
`20:45.36`	`sjansen`	`o/~ mais cheia de graça ~/o`
`20:45.37`	`sjansen`	`o/~ É ela menina que vem e que passa ~/o`
`20:45.37`	`sjansen`	`o/~ nun doce balanço, caminho do mar... ~/o`
`20:45.37`	`sjansen`	`o/~ Moça do corpo dourado, do sol de Ipanema ~/o`
`20:45.37`	`sjansen`	`o/~ O seu balançado é mais que un poema ~/o`
`20:45.39`	`sjansen`	`o/~ é a coisa mais linda ~/o`
`20:45.41`	`sjansen`	`o/~ que eu já vi passar... ~/o`
`20:47.12`	`obfuscated`	`sweet - alt-1, alt-2, etc. switches between tabs in firefox`
`20:47.21`	`obfuscated`	`I've been looking for a shortcut for that`
`20:48.22`	`sjansen`	`sames keys for gnome-terminal`
`20:50.23`	`dataw0lf`	`I usually use ctrl-pageup/down meself`
`20:51.32`	`obfuscated`	`doesn't work in kde`
`20:51.44`	`obfuscated`	`guess maybe I could make it work`
`20:51.45`	`Jayce^`	`shift arrows`
`20:51.57`	`obfuscated`	`shift arrows doesn't work either`
`20:51.58`	`flyboy^`	`I woner if there is a limit to how many databases you can have under MySQL other than what is limited by disk/OS.`
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`20:53.04`	`obfuscated`	`flyboy^: I know there is on tables, but usually disk/os runs out firs IIRC`
`20:53.06`	`obfuscated`	`first`
`20:53.22`	`flyboy^`	`obfuscated: Do you know what it is for tables?`
`20:53.37`	`obfuscated`	`They go over all that in the certification docs - can't remember what the exact number was though`
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`20:53.51`	`flyboy^`	`Do you remember ballpark?`
`20:53.54`	`obfuscated`	`I was going to get certified at my last job, but then moved over here where we're all postgres`
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`20:54.07`	`flyboy^`	`I found a forum post where some guy made like 271,000 of them.`
`20:54.08`	`tensai`	`flyboy^: at least 64k tables, iirc`
`20:54.09`	`obfuscated`	`flyboy^: not a clue off-hand`
`20:54.47`	`Jayce^`	`I've seen systems with several 10's of k, you start taking a performance hit a that level`
`20:54.48`	`flyboy^`	`I wonder if that is a per database limitation.`
`20:55.36`	`flyboy^`	`I'm going to test it... I bet it takes forever.`
`20:56.17`	`obfuscated`	`flyboy^: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/table-size.html`
`20:56.31`	`flyboy^`	`For what it's worth, it looks like you can have a maximum of 31999 (plus the mysql one) databases.`
`20:56.33`	`obfuscated`	`that's table size though`
`20:57.21`	`flyboy^`	`Yeah, I'm not concerned about size. I'm concerned about tons and tons and tons of little ones I guess.`
`20:57.36`	`sjansen`	`31999? That's an odd sort of a number.`
`20:57.48`	`dataw0lf`	`show table status *`
`20:57.53`	`dataw0lf`	`Create_options`
`20:58.33`	`dataw0lf`	`show database status`
`20:58.36`	`dataw0lf`	`Create_options`
`20:58.52`	`dataw0lf`	`err show databases`
`21:01.34`	`dataw0lf`	`for VLDB imp, though, I'd go Postgres`
`21:08.48`	`goozbach`	`any ibot gurus in the house?`
`21:09.20`	`goozbach`	`TimRiker: how do I do multiple <action> replys with a command?`
`21:09.31`	`goozbach`	`eg this isn't working`
`21:09.34`	`goozbach`	`gog foo`
`21:09.41`	`goozbach`	`~gog foo`
`21:09.42`	`ibot`	`ACTION bites foo \|\| <action> runs away`
`21:10.08`	`redbeard1`	`what does gog mean?`
`21:10.53`	`flyboy^`	`redbeard1: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+gog`
`21:10.54`	`brac`	`[define: gog - Google Search]`
`21:14.07`	`TimRiker`	`goozbach: optional replies?`
`21:14.33`	`TimRiker`	`ibot: literal cmd: gog (.*?)`
`21:14.35`	`ibot`	`"cmd: gog (.*?)" is "($sjansen): <action> bites $sjansen \|\| <action> runs away"`
`21:15.06`	`TimRiker`	`hmm. goozbach see #botpark ...`
`21:17.12`	`TimRiker`	`ibot: literal cmd: gog (.*?)`
`21:17.13`	`ibot`	`"cmd: gog (.*?)" is "($1): <action> ( bites $1 \|\| runs away )"`
`21:17.19`	`TimRiker`	`that one works.`
`21:18.54`	`redbeard1`	`~dict gog`
`21:20.53`	`^Migs^`	`~dict magog`
`21:27.55`	`findlay`	`~flood`
`21:27.56`	`ibot`	`well, flood is spewing loads of output into a channel; very rude in most channels and often grounds for banning. If you want to show a lot of output to someone, ask them to join you in #flood and paste the output there.`
`21:28.11`	`findlay`	`~output`
`21:28.12`	`ibot`	`hmm... output is Anything that comes out of a computer or system. As in, "Watch out for that pile of OUTPUT on the sidewalk."`
`21:28.32`	`flyboy^`	`Stinking piles of output.`
`21:28.32`	`findlay`	`~pile`
`21:28.38`	`redbeard1`	`~flood findlay`
`21:28.39`	`ibot`	`ACTION blasts findlay with a huge firehose then strangles findlay with it`
`21:29.04`	`flyboy^`	`~utah`
`21:29.06`	`ibot`	`i heard utah is the place for fun`
`21:30.38`	`redbeard1`	`ibot: which utah?`
`21:30.53`	`harleypig`	`?huh?`
`21:31.00`	`redbeard1`	`~ibot`
`21:31.01`	`ibot`	`i heard ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported.`
`21:31.01`	`harleypig`	`There's only one Utaw`
`21:31.03`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: Just applied for perl dev position in Park City. I think I have a good shot.`
`21:31.13`	`flyboy^`	`EvilHerb1vore: Sweet!`
`21:31.26`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: resume >= requirements.`
`21:31.35`	`nick125`	`nice`
`21:31.51`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: only thing is I don't know Postgre, but I can learn that easy.`
`21:31.58`	`nick125`	`do you know mysql?`
`21:32.01`	`nick125`	`well`
`21:32.04`	`nick125`	`basic sql`
`21:32.24`	`nick125`	`if you knwo that, postgres shouldnt be too hard :)`
`21:32.48`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`nick125: talking to me? Yeah, I know mysql.`
`21:33.02`	`tensai`	`first thing to learn is that it's not called "Postgre" ;)`
`21:33.08`	`nick125`	`yeah`
`21:33.14`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`lol`
`21:33.18`	`nick125`	`its postgresql or pgsql for the lazy`
`21:33.23`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`will keep that in mind.`
`21:34.11`	`flyboy^`	`I think it's easier to go from PostgreSQL to MySQL, rather than the other way around. But it is more frustrating when you learn you have to do more work to keep track of links.`
`21:34.34`	`flyboy^`	`After you do a lot with pgsql I think you start to wonder... why is MySQL popular again?`
`21:34.47`	`nick125`	`that's one thing I like about django is I don't have to deal with SQL at all :)`
`21:35.19`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: wrote another perl script yesterday for use system wide :)`
`21:35.52`	`flyboy^`	`EvilHerb1vore: Fun. I wrote a perl script yesterday to open 3000 connections to a MySQL cluster and pound it with quiries and inserts. :)`
`21:36.04`	`obfuscated`	`flyboy^: because it's fast - that's the main reason (and I'm using mainly pgsql right now)`
`21:36.19`	`obfuscated`	`but yes, it has many limitations on large sets of data`
`21:36.25`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: Thank you for making me feel small and insignificant ;)`
`21:36.32`	`nick125`	`memcache is cool :)`
`21:36.44`	`nick125`	`I can make a dynamic site act just as fast as a static site :)`
`21:36.47`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: u suck. btw, we still on for Thurs?`
`21:36.53`	`flyboy^`	`EvilHerb1vore: Totally.`
`21:36.59`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: chris gave me a letter I am supposed to bring you.`
`21:37.04`	`flyboy^`	`EvilHerb1vore: Are you serious?`
`21:37.07`	`obfuscated`	`yes, memcache is awesome`
`21:37.13`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: yeah`
`21:37.25`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: it's not from WH if that's what you are thinking.`
`21:37.31`	`flyboy^`	`Oh, CS?`
`21:37.55`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: a Mr. Dhillon is the return address.`
`21:38.01`	`flyboy^`	`Yes. :)`
`21:38.12`	`nick125`	`lol`
`21:38.13`	`flyboy^`	`nick125: Your buddy sent a letter to the wrong guy. :)`
`21:38.22`	`nick125`	`flyboy^: haha`
`21:38.25`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: oh, you thought chris russell.. lol.`
`21:38.51`	`nick125`	`flyboy^: he's stupid at times :D`
`21:38.54`	`findlay`	`Postgre Structured Query Language`
`21:39.22`	`nick125`	`thats why I do the administration for atarack instead of him -_-`
`21:39.38`	`nick125`	`even though he is a RHCE..`
`21:40.18`	`flyboy^`	`Well, I've managed to create 50,000 tables so far. :) Hopefully I hit the upper end soon.`
`21:40.48`	`EvilHerb1vore`	`flyboy^: gotta go to work, ttyl. have fun with your sql adventures.`
`21:40.58`	`flyboy^`	`EvilHerb1vore: Later!`
`21:41.09`	`nick125`	`flyboy^: I need to tell him to quit getting you and chris confused...`
`21:41.36`	`flyboy^`	`nick125: We have similar sounding last names... if you say them fast, and slur your vowels.`
`21:42.52`	`nick125`	`yeah`
`21:47.27`	`nick125`	`flyboy^: I get your guys last names confused alot :)`
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`21:52.10`	`flyboy^`	`I totalled up all the technology books I want to read, just the ones I really want. It came to just under $900.00.`
`21:52.27`	`flyboy^`	`Why is publishing books so expensive?`
`21:54.04`	`herlo`	`flyboy^: the same reason movie tickets are $8.50 and up`
`21:54.25`	`herlo`	`the corporate execs are greedy and need to make every penny they can off you...`
`21:54.35`	`herlo`	`IMHO`
`21:54.53`	`flyboy^`	`Yeah, but it doesn't take a HUGE infrustructure to print a bood does it?`
`21:55.11`	`flyboy^`	`It takes a big infrustructure to create high-quality films and distribute them.`
`21:55.21`	`findlay`	`does it?`
`21:55.26`	`flyboy^`	`And those actors, wow, they are like basketball stars.`
`21:56.21`	`flyboy^`	`So, you wanna print a book. You type it up, and hit print... right? ;)`
`21:56.32`	`flyboy^`	`My NEC printer can handle that. :)`
`21:56.37`	`flyboy^`	`Where do I stick the glue?`
`21:56.53`	`tensai`	`~page Bradipo`
`21:57.01`	`levi`	`flyboy^: I read an interesting blog entry about the novel publishing industry that outlined costs and how marketing works and such.`
`21:57.16`	`flyboy^`	`levi: What was the major cost?`
`21:57.27`	`nick125`	`flyboy^: hehe..`
`21:58.38`	`levi`	`flyboy^: I don't recall the breakdown, but like many other manufacturing costs, you pay less per item in bulk and for small runs, you end up paying a lot per item.`
`21:59.08`	`flyboy^`	`Humm, for those that care looks like you can have more than 65k tables in a database.`
`21:59.35`	`levi`	`flyboy^: So, you've paid an advance to the author, but you have to guess at how well it's going to sell to judge your initial printing run, and then you have to make a lot of deals with booksellers and convince people to talk about it, etc.`
`21:59.57`	`levi`	`flyboy^: Anyway, a lot of books end up losing money.`
`22:00.05`	`flyboy^`	`levi: Right, so is the actual printing costs pretty high?`
`22:00.25`	`flyboy^`	`levi: You think some place in China could whip a million out over night.`
`22:01.40`	`flyboy^`	`Based on sjansen's presentation on ConTeXt I'm wondering if maybe the high cost isn't with the layout of the book itself.`
`22:04.00`	`flyboy^`	`Movies are on a totally different scale in my opinion. But I know more about the process. Spider-man3 apparently had a budget of 250 million.`
`22:04.26`	`tensai`	`Brewster Kahle's bookmobile can print paperback books on demand for ~$1`
`22:06.34`	`findlay`	`cool. I just found a use for the range parameter of the 'r' function in vim`
`22:06.44`	`findlay`	`I saved about 1.7 s`
`22:07.12`	`findlay`	`and then bragged about it on IRC`
`22:08.40`	`levi`	`I can't find the blog anymore. I don't know where I came across it.`
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`22:26.31`	`levi`	`flyboy^: Ahh, here it is: http://alg.livejournal.com/84032.html`
`22:26.43`	`levi`	`flyboy^: It's about mass-market paperbacks, but still interesting.`
`22:32.41`	`flyboy^`	`Always more fingers in the pie than there should be.`
`22:33.59`	`findlay`	`"if you opened /proc/kcore in vim it would find a syntax highlighting scheme for it"`
`22:35.03`	`findlay`	`finger pie?`
`22:35.09`	`findlay`	`~finger pie`
`22:35.10`	`ibot`	`ACTION raises middle finger to pie`
`22:37.54`	`flyboy^`	`MySQL with more than 90k tables. Up and up we go.`
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`22:43.18`	`flyboy^`	`I wonder what would happen if all the publishers got together and said: Okay wal-mart. Take this book and LIKE IT, or don't buy from us.`
`22:44.07`	`flyboy^`	`I bet the "famous" authors don't have to go back to the drawing board too often.`
`22:49.40`	`flyboy^`	`I am amazed at people who keep blogs. How is it they have the time to write such long posts every day?`
`22:50.21`	`BL4`	`they give up everything else in their life?`
`22:50.35`	`BL4`	`or they can actually manage their time, unlike the rest of us.`
`22:50.59`	`tensai`	`flyboy^: see, it doesn't take that long to type up mediocre content. that's how I do it.`
`22:52.07`	`flyboy^`	`It takes me forever just to read them all.`
`22:52.29`	`BL4`	`some ppl can also type a 100 wpm...`
`22:52.30`	`flyboy^`	`Maybe if I stop consuming I will start creating?`
`22:52.49`	`flyboy^`	`But what would the point be if everyone created and no one consumed?`
`22:53.02`	`BL4`	`then it would be called a journal`
`22:56.32`	`BL4`	`I don't think everyone will stop reading anytime soon flyboy^, so it would be safe for you to start writing one if you felt like it.`
`22:58.10`	`BL4`	`can only wonder.... "drwxrwsr-x 2 ftp ftp 512 Dec 10 2001 bras"`
`22:58.53`	`findlay`	`I bet I could type 1024 WPM if I practiced on it`
`22:59.59`	`findlay`	`then I'll write a blog entry where I average over 1024 wpm`
`23:00.28`	`findlay`	`I know, I'll make a little dialog that shows my wpm stats at the bottom of every blog entry`
`23:00.39`	`BL4`	`5 wpm`
`23:00.40`	`BL4`	`3 wpm`
`23:00.44`	`BL4`	`1.24 wpm`
`23:00.45`	`BL4`	`:P`
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`23:05.15`	`findlay`	`adfg adfsg jz jkl ljh jh .,m j gyu .,mn ...`
`23:05.21`	`findlay`	`that's just a taste`
`23:05.41`	`findlay`	`to get the full effect, you'll have to read my blog entry when it comes out`
`23:05.51`	`flyboy^`	`I can write a script that can write thousands of words per minute. ;)`
`23:09.25`	`findlay`	`they should make a .blog TLD`
`23:10.00`	`findlay`	`as if the existing TLD philosophy wasn't shamelessly abused`
`23:10.07`	`flyboy^`	`findlay: That would acutally be useful.`
`23:10.22`	`flyboy^`	`findlay: You should blog about it. ;)`
`23:12.02`	`findlay`	`I hereby trademark[TM] www.blog.blog(R)`
`23:14.11`	`tensai`	`I hereby trademark findlay and order you to cease and desist this unauthorized use of my trademark which is diluting my brand and causing undue confusion among consumers`
`23:17.40`	`levi`	`This talk of long blog posts with dubious content reminds me of Vorlath. I should check up on how he's doing.`
`23:19.59`	`findlay`	`I patent Vorlath`
`23:20.06`	`findlay`	`andf Canada`
`23:20.12`	`findlay`	`s/f//`
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`23:22.25`	`harleypig`	`homina homina`
`23:25.14`	`levi`	`The answer is, Vorlath is still around and still has diarrhea of the brain. Man, that guy can ramble on.`
`23:29.46`	`levi`	`Oh, hey, here's a new one. Quicksort is not a fast algorithm. It's a partitioning algorithm.`
`23:29.48`	`levi`	`Huh?`
`23:30.01`	`elg`	`haha`
`23:30.16`	`elg`	`i want an algorithm that uses fast to solve my sorting problems`
`23:30.33`	`elg`	`what else is he up to these days?`
`23:32.50`	`levi`	`Just rambling, mostly.`
`23:33.36`	`levi`	`Still ranting about how much virtual machines suck and how everyone's got programming all wrong except for him and a select few others who have seen the light.`
`23:34.07`	`levi`	`Except his weird language project is on hold because hockey post-season has begun.`
`23:35.18`	`levi`	`He's like, 'whoa, dude, if you can partition your data, you can scale up your algorithm by adding processors!'`
`23:36.41`	`levi`	`Just a lot of half-formed ideas spewed out amongst a mass of loosely-connected words, with no real following through of consequences beyond those he wants to see.`
`23:36.56`	`levi`	`Or, in other words, exactly as he's always been.`
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`23:55.50`	`elg`	`levi: heh`
`23:57.54`	`goozbach`	`COOL!!!`
`23:57.59`	`goozbach`	`adult swim on demand`
`23:58.16`	`vontrapp`	`goozbach: !!!`
`23:58.25`	`vontrapp`	`from what?`

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