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| 00:21.44 | hans | anyone here? |
| 00:29.38 | brailsmt_ | i am |
| 00:29.58 | brailsmt_ | i just responded to a post on /. -- my first /. post ever |
| 00:30.08 | brailsmt_ | it just happened to concern my daughter :) |
| 00:30.18 | hans | brailsmt_: I don't have time to read through things now, but I have moderator points. wanna use em? ;) |
| 00:30.57 | brailsmt_ | naw, I avoid /. as much as i can |
| 00:32.34 | brailsmt_ | i basically just check the articles and maybe once a week i will click through to a story... |
| 00:36.38 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_: link to your post? |
| 00:37.03 | brailsmt_ | i can't find it now... ;) |
| 00:37.15 | brailsmt_ | told i am VERY new to /. |
| 00:37.31 | hans | Jayce^: do you want to use them? :) hate to see them go to waste |
| 00:38.02 | Jayce^ | use what? |
| 00:38.15 | hans | my mod points |
| 00:38.27 | Jayce^ | oh, yeah.. |
| 00:38.42 | brailsmt_ | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=68531&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&tid=106&tid=185&mode=thread&pid=6269810 |
| 00:38.51 | Jayce^ | I have one in there that could be modded (about my misquoted # of lines in the daily herald) |
| 00:39.23 | Jayce^ | hans, just mod up some of the local guys' comments |
| 00:39.46 | brailsmt_ | i was a little pissed off by the whole deseret news article, it was written very pro-SCO |
| 00:40.16 | brailsmt_ | the daily herald article was much better |
| 00:40.58 | Jayce^ | the desnews reporter was the last minute fill in, the main guy was going out of town that morning by when we sent out the release.. he still wants to interview me.. |
| 00:41.10 | hans | Jayce^: link? |
| 00:41.23 | Jayce^ | did you mod brailsmt_'s first? |
| 00:41.28 | hans | got his |
| 00:41.34 | Jayce^ | search for one by althalus |
| 00:42.00 | Jayce^ | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=68531&threshold=0&commentsort=0&tid=106&tid=185&mode=thread&pid=6269177#6269689 |
| 00:46.30 | hans | done |
| 00:47.27 | Jayce^ | brailsmt_: got a person who wants to use this picture on their blog |
| 00:47.29 | Jayce^ | http://mirror.lug-nut.com/mcnabb/med/IMG_0047.JPG |
| 00:53.02 | hans | "Ralph Yarrows, head of the Canopy group which owns 46% of SCO, was the one to organize the anti-protest and was the one who had the posters made." |
| 01:02.31 | hans | man, some of these /. people have no sense of real life. Do they actually think that having a picture with two protesters (evan and someone else) and smiling makes him 'friendly'? doesn't everyone smile when a picture is being taken? |
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| 01:45.49 | brailsmt_ | Jayce^: lol, sure, my wife will hate me, but i think it is a god picture of my family :) |
| 01:46.57 | brailsmt_ | i thought that having no sense of real life was a requirement at /. ;) |
| 01:47.21 | brailsmt_ | i had a few people tell me that I was way too happy at the protest... |
| 03:05.12 | Jayce^ | 31,240 hits to just "hall.html" on just one of the web servers... |
| 03:05.32 | Jayce^ | forgot to give the mirror it's own access log, so counting is a little tough |
| 03:18.58 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.16 | Jayce^ | w00t! we hit 9m/b in the spike |
| 05:10.07 | Jayce^ | that's mbit |
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| 13:21.07 | ramannoodle | This has got to be the most hilarious (and stupidest) response I saw to the /. article: |
| 13:21.08 | ramannoodle | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=68531&threshold=0&commentsort=0&tid=106&mode=thread&cid=6270399 |
| 13:26.17 | ramannoodle | Notice there are no replies...better just to leave it alone :-) |
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| 14:34.16 | Mecworks__ | morning |
| 14:38.32 | ramannoodle | morning |
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| 16:33.36 | ramannoodle | so did anyone get a picture (or is it in the video?) of the Linux/SCO code in question? |
| 16:33.48 | Jayce^ | went by too fast.. |
| 16:35.50 | ramannoodle | dang it! |
| 16:35.57 | ramannoodle | was it in the video at all? |
| 16:36.52 | Jayce^ | you can't read it though |
| 16:38.24 | ramannoodle | I wonder if there's software out there that can sharpen something like that out. (like you see in all the fbi/cia shows) |
| 16:38.57 | ramannoodle | Wonder how legal it would be to post something like that on the web. |
| 16:42.48 | Jayce^ | well, it's exactly what they are suing about |
| 16:44.30 | ramannoodle | I guess you could always anonymously give it to IBM's lawyers...it would still be a risk, though |
| 16:44.53 | ramannoodle | but then again, you didn't sign an NDA and he did freely show it to you... |
| 16:45.12 | ramannoodle | That idea alone could be usable in court... |
| 16:45.27 | ramannoodle | then again, I'm not a lawyer |
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| 16:49.06 | Ober | sco... |
| 16:49.07 | *** part/#utah Ober (~ober@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk) |
| 16:49.13 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 16:50.01 | CosmicPenguin | Try to tell me that this isn't having a bad effect on the perception of Utah |
| 16:50.52 | ramannoodle | who's Ober? |
| 17:02.05 | Jayce^ | somebody in england. |
| 17:05.17 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.03 | Jayce^ | ~lart sco |
| 17:07.05 | Jayce^ | btw.. in case anybody wants to know.. neverwinter nights linux client works *very* well |
| 17:12.33 | ramannoodle | yes, but does it work with sco ? |
| 17:12.46 | ramannoodle | dang it - didn't work - I thought it was programmed already |
| 17:13.05 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 17:13.14 | Jayce^ | ~lart sco |
| 17:15.50 | CosmicPenguin | Looks like you would have to code it in so that ibot will respond without being directly accessed |
| 17:17.04 | hans | maybe I could write a script that does that. :) |
| 17:18.59 | CosmicPenguin | WE'll have to ask Tim when he comes back - it will be an easy three line hack |
| 17:26.01 | brailsmt | ~lart SCO |
| 17:26.21 | brailsmt | i would like to something else stapled to the floor... ;) |
| 17:30.16 | CosmicPenguin | The only problem with an automatic lart is that ibot will go nuts everytime Bradipo logs on... |
| 17:30.41 | Bradipo | That would be interesting. |
| 17:31.51 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 17:32.00 | Jayce^ | so did you guys have fun watching us Bradipo? |
| 17:32.16 | Bradipo | Not really. |
| 17:32.20 | Bradipo | It was interesting and all. |
| 17:32.23 | Jayce^ | boring? |
| 17:32.29 | Bradipo | But I felt like I was wasting company time. |
| 17:32.37 | Jayce^ | hehe... |
| 17:32.38 | Bradipo | I could have been doing something more constructive. :-) |
| 17:32.52 | Jayce^ | like putting your webserver on a SCO box? :D |
| 17:32.57 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 17:33.05 | Bradipo | Well, it is running on SCO Linux. |
| 17:34.45 | Mecworks__ | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=68531&cid=6269314 |
| 17:38.07 | ramannoodle | saw that one...lol |
| 17:39.13 | Jayce^ | heh.. finding quite a few other local people posting to slashdot that I dont recognize their names (at least the /. name) |
| 17:39.30 | Bradipo | Looks like someone is providing misinformation: |
| 17:39.32 | Bradipo | http://www.theregister.com/content/53/31366.html |
| 17:40.04 | Bradipo | Those of you who were there, know very well that the SCO employees that participated were pro-SCO not anti-SCO in their protests... |
| 17:40.04 | hans | ibot lart SCO |
| 17:40.59 | Bradipo | Or maybe this report just didn't get it... |
| 17:41.09 | Jayce^ | yeah, that first paragraph doesn't quite fit in.. |
| 17:41.53 | Jayce^ | and the first sentence of the second one.. |
| 17:42.05 | ramannoodle | I think it was the Herald article that had an SCO guy mentioning that if SCO had their way, Linux would still exist, it just wouldn't be free. |
| 17:42.15 | Jayce^ | the rest is ok, but those are a little funky |
| 17:42.18 | ramannoodle | ahhh!!!! |
| 17:42.22 | ramannoodle | cool |
| 17:42.38 | hans | irssi/perl is kinda fun. :) |
| 17:42.44 | Jayce^ | hehe.. I wonder how much longer Bradipo will want to stay on if we keep tagging sco? |
| 17:42.54 | ramannoodle | lol!!! |
| 17:44.32 | Jayce^ | Bradipo: how many guys there are plug/uug/sllug members? I know I saw a few... |
| 17:45.25 | ramannoodle | anyway, I got a laugh out of the herald article...the guy totally doesn't understand Linux - Linux isn't about being free anyway - it's about having the source open to all |
| 17:45.35 | Bradipo | No worries here. |
| 17:47.12 | hans | what do y'all think would be the easiest way to get rid of rogue traffic on a network interface? it's a closed network and no traffic but what I put out should be there. currently i'm getting portmap and samba traffic periodically (which _are_ used on the other nic) |
| 17:47.42 | hans | more info: the traffic I'll be putting out will go through libnet and isn't tcp/ip but straight 802.3 |
| 17:48.14 | hans | does that go below iptable's radar? if so I could just do an outbound deny policy |
| 17:48.31 | hans | if not, what would that match so I can let it through? |
| 17:51.51 | Bradipo | So the traffic is being forwarded from one interface to the other? |
| 17:52.22 | Bradipo | If it is broadcast traffic, then that would explain why, but if it is not broadcast, why is it going out? |
| 17:52.44 | hans | these are outbound packets |
| 17:52.48 | hans | that I want to block |
| 17:53.11 | hans | apparently smb or nmb and portmap are sending out their broadcast packets on all interfaces |
| 17:53.11 | Bradipo | If you are using iptables, then you need to block them on the FORWARD chain. |
| 17:53.22 | Bradipo | Oh. |
| 17:53.29 | Bradipo | Is this coming from the firewall itself? |
| 17:53.36 | Bradipo | Or is it coming from a client on the network? |
| 17:53.41 | hans | yes and yes |
| 17:53.52 | Bradipo | So the samba server is also the firewall? |
| 17:54.05 | Bradipo | Which would explain why it is going out on all interfaces... |
| 17:54.23 | hans | each box (there will be one or two linux boxen on the network) - i'm thinking of using iptables to restrict this outbound traffic but currently no firewall |
| 17:54.28 | Bradipo | Samba does that unless you configure it to only use the right interface. |
| 17:54.58 | hans | ok, so I can configure samba... can I configure portmap like that? |
| 17:56.36 | Bradipo | Not sure. |
| 17:56.45 | Bradipo | I wasn't aware that portmap sent out broadcast traffic. |
| 17:57.17 | Bradipo | And, portmap most certainly doesn't initiate connections, so if you have traffic from portmap going out, then it is most likely coming in. |
| 17:57.19 | hans | it may be related to nis. but it's portmap traffic |
| 17:57.31 | hans | right, NIS is used on the other nic |
| 17:58.07 | Bradipo | But that should be local to that network. |
| 17:58.15 | Bradipo | I don't think NIS broadcasts does it? |
| 17:58.41 | hans | i think it might be finding the ypserver |
| 17:58.52 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 17:59.05 | Bradipo | Well, you should be able to block that with iptables. |
| 17:59.27 | Bradipo | Or ipchains. |
| 17:59.48 | hans | yeah. i think i can probably just block everything that's tcp/udp/icmp/whateverp with iptables and it should only let my 802.3 packets through |
| 18:01.59 | Bradipo | 802.3 packets or frames? |
| 18:04.19 | hans | let's see. depends on what you mean by frame. basically, everything from byte 1 (dst addr) to the end of the data. |
| 18:04.56 | Bradipo | Right, but isn't 802.3 an ethernet frame? |
| 18:05.01 | hans | struct { uint8_t dst_addr[6],uint8_t src_addr[6],uint16_t len } // data implicitly follows |
| 18:05.31 | hans | yes. |
| 18:05.56 | hans | the hardware puts some stuff on the front and a checksum at the end, but that's stripped and put on at the hardware level. |
| 18:06.18 | Bradipo | So, do you have ethernet frames that are not pushing around tcp/udp/icmp traffic or something? |
| 18:06.24 | hans | yes |
| 18:06.29 | Bradipo | Ahh, I see. |
| 18:06.36 | hans | in fact that's _all_ that should be on this closed network |
| 18:06.52 | hans | our own protocol |
| 18:06.55 | Bradipo | I see. |
| 18:07.11 | Bradipo | Yeah, then you should only allow that traffic and have a default policy of deny or something. |
| 18:07.21 | Jayce^ | heh.. yesterday's /.ing only took about 100gb... about 1/3 our normal daily bandwidth usage.. |
| 18:15.25 | hans | how goes the interview footage? I'm looking forward to that. |
| 18:15.45 | Jayce^ | have to ask art.. he had sync problems he mentioned on the list this morning.. |
| 18:17.57 | hans | oh fun. |
| 18:18.15 | Jayce^ | yeah, especially when it took him *hours* to export the video in the first place.. |
| 18:18.24 | Jayce^ | almost 40 mins of footage from just the interview |
| 18:18.33 | Jayce^ | somebody is going to have to set it up as a .torrent |
| 18:47.37 | levi | Hmm, Jobs just confirmed that the G5 will be the IBM PPC970 with all those really nice stats that were leaked. |
| 18:48.56 | levi | http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/06/23/keynote/ |
| 19:10.52 | Jayce^ | man I want one of those bad.. |
| 19:11.22 | ramannoodle | dang it - and I was saving up for a G4 |
| 19:11.52 | Jayce^ | well, used g4's will probably be a lot cheaper now.. |
| 19:11.54 | ramannoodle | I got a PPC 7600 off E-bay for $5 |
| 19:12.15 | ramannoodle | it was broken in transit, so now hopefully UPS will reimburse me the $300 that it's worth |
| 19:12.40 | ramannoodle | Then hopefully I can get a better Mac off e-bay |
| 19:12.45 | Jayce^ | sweet.. gotta love that.. |
| 19:13.05 | ramannoodle | I love UPS |
| 19:14.03 | ramannoodle | I need to break myself in |
| 19:16.21 | ramannoodle | It would be cool if someone wrote some code for ibot that made it so you could program it from irc-commands |
| 19:17.42 | Jayce^ | well, you can program a bit of it.. training ocmmands.. |
| 19:27.00 | Jayce^ | Luxology co-founder notes that software was recompiled for 64-bit processors in 15 minutes (and that included the 12 minutes to download the source from the server). |
| 19:36.34 | ramannoodle | What's luxology? |
| 19:36.42 | Jayce^ | dunno... |
| 19:37.12 | Jayce^ | so within a year, dual 3ghz |
| 19:57.35 | ramannoodle | Just in time for me to buy myself one... |
| 21:00.21 | hans | sco sco sco sco |
| 21:08.30 | ramannoodle | SCO |
| 21:08.38 | ramannoodle | nope - not case-sensitive |
| 21:08.48 | ramannoodle | well, cya... |
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| 22:02.04 | goozbach | Sco? |
| 22:02.20 | goozbach | ~lart sco |
| 22:02.51 | goozbach | sorry I couldn't come to the protest. |
| 22:08.24 | Jayce^ | np.. you check out the page? |
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| 22:10.37 | Jayce^ | nice project hans.. going to post it to plug too? |
| 22:12.35 | hans | thanks. |
| 22:12.38 | hans | yeah, done. |
| 22:13.12 | hans | where do y'all get print cartridges at a decent price? |
| 22:13.26 | Jayce^ | costco |
| 22:13.32 | Jayce^ | they have refill kits too |
| 22:13.45 | Jayce^ | since print cartridges are never a decent price |
| 22:15.45 | tensai | having worked at Staples for a while, I'll confirm that ink is a huge cash cow for them |
| 22:16.24 | tensai | they make little and sometimes nothing on the printers just so you can buy ink |
| 22:16.53 | Jayce^ | I just refilled my hp's cartridges.. but they didn't like it :( |
| 22:17.33 | Jayce^ | worked for a few days, then they have stopped printing right.. like the ink randomly stops coming out right.. |
| 22:17.52 | tensai | my father-in-law refilled his hp cartridges and swapped the cyan and magenta. hee hee |
| 22:18.33 | tensai | some cartridges are anti-refill. could be one of those |
| 22:22.00 | Jayce^ | yeah, I'm thinking it might be.. |
| 22:22.23 | hans | Jayce^: what kind of printer do you have? |
| 22:22.43 | Jayce^ | that one is a deskjet 930c |
| 22:22.55 | Jayce^ | thinking about pulling out an epson I have still in the box.. |
| 22:23.13 | Jayce^ | the hp is a great printer, but cartridges of course are pricey |
| 22:23.49 | Jayce^ | hans: you ready for the 9th? (plug meeting) |
| 22:24.03 | hans | thinking about getting ready :) |
| 22:24.08 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:26.46 | Jayce^ | I'm anxious.. I want to move all my filters out of kmail, and onto the server.. |
| 22:26.53 | Jayce^ | then maybe imap it or something. |
| 22:33.52 | hans | i will show you the way, young one |
| 22:35.00 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:36.55 | neybar | I am looking forward to that also |
| 22:37.49 | Jayce^ | want to start hyping it pretty soon.. |
| 22:40.37 | Jayce^ | goozbach: just run hotwayd |
| 22:40.49 | neybar | it works really well |
| 22:41.01 | goozbach | I'm trying to setup gotmail. |
| 22:41.40 | tensai | goozbach: I use it. works great |
| 23:10.22 | goozbach | could someone send me an email to friocorte@hotmail.com? |
| 23:10.33 | goozbach | anything will work. |
| 23:11.32 | tensai | there ya go |
| 23:12.16 | goozbach | woohoo it works. |
| 23:12.44 | goozbach | thanks BTW |
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