| 00:00.56 | clutchmm | anyone home? |
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| 00:06.00 | clutchmm | I seem to have found my last option, I have removed the primary SATA drive from my desktop and connected it to my laptop with a hard drive all in 1 connection cable via usb, when I connected it to my laptop nothing happened and I can't find it anywhere on my laptop |
| 00:07.50 | clutchmm | should I just chunk the machine into the Jordan river? then I might be able to make it a dead muskrat linux box |
| 00:49.59 | herlo | ~kitten Zelut |
| 00:50.00 | jbot | ACTION tosses a box full of hungry, sharp-clawed kittens at Zelut's head |
| 01:00.37 | Claudius | ~booze heartsbane |
| 01:00.56 | Claudius | darn... jbot's not too smart |
| 01:00.59 | Claudius | or is he? :) |
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| 01:15.01 | clutchmm | can someone please tell me why gparted magic live-cd is showing /dev/sda (74.53 gigs) as unallocated? |
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| 01:18.10 | clutchmm | please.... |
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| 02:22.20 | Heartsbane | clutchmm: have you applied your changes and fully expanded the details window to watch its progress while the changes are being apllied? |
| 02:22.34 | Heartsbane | clutchmm: have tried from the command line? |
| 02:24.13 | Heartsbane | clutchmm: is the drive hot almost to hot? sometimes an extra fan accross it for cooling can help? (even this weekend I have heard of cooling failing drives in the freezer to salvage data) |
| 02:25.07 | Heartsbane | clutchmm: have you tried as a last resort, hooking it up to a Windoze Redmond Infected machine and making changes there? |
| 02:25.27 | Heartsbane | just some suggestions |
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| 03:26.01 | clutchmm | Heartsbane: I was just messing with some of the utils on parted magic live cd, I just rebooted and now I have a prompt of "1234f:" |
| 03:26.23 | clutchmm | maybe this is fixable but still......how? |
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| 03:29.03 | steve8track | hello |
| 03:29.20 | clutchmm | hi |
| 03:30.02 | clutchmm | Heartsbane: sorry it took me so long... you still here and/or awake |
| 03:31.39 | steve8track | I'm having CD burning problems that only started today. I click the Burn button in the burning dialog, and it does nothing as if I didn't click it at all. Now it's even worse, I click "Write to Disc" and it opens the dialog and the dialog freezes while saying "calculating"... |
| 03:32.02 | steve8track | only started today when I needed the burner to be fast :-( |
| 03:32.05 | steve8track | any ideas? |
| 03:32.26 | steve8track | I googled it, and the only other post I found, the guy didn't get a reply |
| 03:33.00 | steve8track | but I didn't look very long either |
| 03:39.09 | clutchmm | Zelut: Heartsbane atoponce synic fizz herlo anybody home or awake? |
| 03:39.33 | herlo | uh |
| 03:39.57 | herlo | steve8track: is it an iso? |
| 03:40.03 | herlo | steve8track: if so, try this |
| 03:40.13 | herlo | cdrecord -v -eject /path/to/your.iso |
| 03:40.19 | herlo | from the command line |
| 03:40.38 | herlo | steve8track: you may also need to prepend sudo in front of that to get it to work though I don't have to |
| 03:41.45 | clutchmm | herlo: do you know anything about MBR problems or fixing grub? |
| 03:42.27 | herlo | clutchmm: yes, I do. Do you just need to restore your grub? |
| 03:42.41 | steve8track | I'm just backing up data, though I guess I could convert it to an iso and try that |
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| 03:42.46 | steve8track | thanks |
| 03:42.57 | herlo | steve8track: use mkisofs then, it should help |
| 03:43.28 | steve8track | is that what you use to create the iso, or burn it? |
| 03:43.43 | herlo | steve8track: mkisofs will do both |
| 03:43.55 | steve8track | I'm just trying to use nautilous to burn |
| 03:45.00 | steve8track | well, I booted in Windows XP earlier today and managed to burn a CD, so I'm sure the burner is working, but I didn't want to have to switch into windows (I was in a hurry, so I couldn't fix it then) |
| 03:46.10 | clutchmm | sort of, at the start of the day when I booted up I got "MBR error" after many hours of head banging I started messing with "parted magic live cd" and found a way to test or restore the MBR? so I used it and rebooted. Now on boot I get a blank screen with 1234f: for a prompt |
| 03:46.31 | clutchmm | @ herlo |
| 03:47.26 | herlo | clutchmm: boot to the live cd and go to a prompt. Run this: |
| 03:47.44 | herlo | grub-install /dev/sda (assuming sda is the disk you boot from) |
| 03:48.50 | clutchmm | herlo: the last time I booted the live cd I had to it "Esc" to get a prompt that was "boot:" |
| 03:49.00 | clutchmm | is that the right prompt? |
| 03:49.14 | herlo | clutchmm: just boot to the gui |
| 03:49.50 | clutchmm | and run that in the live-cd terminal? |
| 03:50.42 | steve8track | Wow, the iso idea worked! I think it's silly though that nautilous doesn't do it for me like it used to. I wonder what changed. Thanks! |
| 03:53.15 | steve8track | if he lost his sector 0, will grub figure out the partition table again on install? |
| 03:53.35 | herlo | clutchmm: yes |
| 03:54.03 | herlo | steve8track: the deal with the partition table is that its not at the end of sector0 |
| 03:54.08 | clutchmm | herlo: /dev/sda is what showed up with gparted magic live-cd so I hope it's right, since it's a SATA drive |
| 03:54.14 | herlo | steve8track: so if he lost his whole mbr, then he's hosed |
| 03:54.24 | herlo | steve8track: but there's actually a way to recover that too |
| 03:55.03 | steve8track | so the end of sector 0 says where grub is, and the rest is the partition table? |
| 03:55.23 | herlo | no |
| 03:55.40 | herlo | steve8track: the first 512 bytes of any disk is considered where the mbr will goe |
| 03:55.50 | herlo | of that, the first 446 bytes are the bootloader |
| 03:56.04 | herlo | there's a 2 byte separator (with important details being left out here) |
| 03:56.14 | herlo | and 64 bytes remain for the partition table |
| 03:56.34 | herlo | most disks have 512 byte sectors so sector0 is this structure |
| 03:56.42 | steve8track | so grub is actually saved onto the 446 bytes? |
| 03:57.14 | herlo | steve8track: sort of |
| 03:57.20 | steve8track | I thought that sector 0 just referenced grub at a different location |
| 03:57.22 | herlo | steve8track: that's only the first stage of grub |
| 03:57.53 | herlo | steve8track: right, so the rest is on the /boot partition which gets loaded at boot time by the stage1 bootloader (GRUB stage1) |
| 03:58.10 | clutchmm | herlo: it says "mkdir: cannot create directory '/boot/grub' : Permission denied" |
| 03:59.23 | steve8track | well, I can ask later about this stuff, I'll just let you help clutchmm for now, since I'm sure this isn't a pleasant problem to fix. Thanks for the details. |
| 03:59.33 | herlo | clutchmm: huh? |
| 03:59.46 | herlo | clutchmm: why are you trying to mkdir |
| 03:59.59 | clutchmm | I wasn't |
| 04:00.05 | herlo | clutchmm: what command did you run? |
| 04:00.57 | clutchmm | Im in the terminal from the live-cd and ran "grub-install /dev/sda" |
| 04:01.21 | herlo | clutchmm: is that where your hard drive resides? |
| 04:01.48 | clutchmm | dev/sda? |
| 04:02.09 | herlo | clutchmm: how do you know its /dev/sda? |
| 04:02.16 | herlo | clutchmm: and not /dev/hda ? |
| 04:02.38 | clutchmm | let me try hda |
| 04:03.05 | herlo | clutchmm: don't just randomly do that |
| 04:03.19 | herlo | clutchmm: instead determine what your drive is... |
| 04:03.23 | clutchmm | well it gave me the same thing |
| 04:03.45 | herlo | clutchmm: what does fdisk -l say? |
| 04:03.49 | clutchmm | that's what I've been trying to do |
| 04:04.02 | herlo | clutchmm: holy hell, what did you do to your system man |
| 04:04.13 | herlo | clutchmm: but you booted to a live cd right? |
| 04:04.20 | clutchmm | yes |
| 04:04.27 | herlo | and what does fdisk -l say? |
| 04:04.59 | herlo | clutchmm: be explicit |
| 04:05.21 | clutchmm | fdisk -l as in love says nothing, it just goes back to the prompt |
| 04:06.14 | clutchmm | the "ubuntu@ubuntu:~$" prompt |
| 04:06.16 | herlo | clutchmm: if that's the case, you've hosed your partition table |
| 04:06.20 | herlo | clutchmm: try this |
| 04:06.48 | herlo | dd if=/dev/hda of=/tmp/myfile bs=512 count=1; cat /tmp/myfile |
| 04:07.01 | herlo | what do you get? |
| 04:07.25 | clutchmm | I thought the live cd only ran what was on the disk since it's not installed? |
| 04:07.29 | clutchmm | just a sec |
| 04:07.37 | mheath | <herlo> steve8track: you may also need to prepend sudo in front of that to get it to work though I don't have to |
| 04:07.37 | herlo | clutchmm: true, but you can still look at the hard drive |
| 04:07.47 | mheath | FYI, cdrecord's privilege stuff has been fixed for a few years... |
| 04:07.54 | herlo | mheath: I know |
| 04:08.04 | herlo | mheath: I just can't remember |
| 04:08.13 | herlo | clutchmm: did you sudo fdisk -l? |
| 04:08.14 | steve8track | Yippe, I found out why my computer couldn't burn anything, it's because my hard drive didn't have enough spare space to spare to store the cd image in the process of burning the cd. the reason why the iso idea worked was I chose a smaller file to experiment on |
| 04:08.18 | steve8track | Thanks guys |
| 04:08.27 | herlo | steve8track: :) |
| 04:08.37 | herlo | ~lart mheath for pointing out stuff that doesn't matter |
| 04:08.37 | jbot | farts in mheath's general direction for pointing out stuff that doesn't matter |
| 04:09.53 | steve8track | how do people use jbot? people seem to be using it |
| 04:10.15 | herlo | steve8track: just put a ~ in front of an action |
| 04:10.21 | herlo | ~dict lart |
| 04:10.21 | mheath | herlo, meh, just thought I'd point it out, as I know that used to be common, and was once a big deal they fixed it |
| 04:10.37 | steve8track | ~example |
| 04:10.37 | jbot | from memory, example is enough to reproduce the behavior we see from ipkg. |
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| 04:10.47 | steve8track | ~burn me |
| 04:10.48 | jbot | ACTION pours gasoline all over steve8track, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 04:10.53 | herlo | ~lart mheath for wasting time |
| 04:10.53 | jbot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in mheath's direction, hitting mheath and sending mheath flying into the closet for wasting time |
| 04:10.59 | steve8track | wow, that's intuitive~ |
| 04:11.10 | mheath | herlo, heh. How about something that DOES matter: grub-install is for complete install of GRUB with menus and everything |
| 04:11.19 | mheath | That requires a /boot/grub which isn't available on a LiveCD |
| 04:11.28 | steve8track | ~grub me |
| 04:11.30 | herlo | mheath: untrue |
| 04:11.33 | mheath | You either have to pass grub-install some flags telling it thats NOT what you want... |
| 04:11.39 | mheath | Or do a grub install another way |
| 04:11.45 | herlo | mheath: you don't need to have the /boot/grub on your disk to put it into the mbr. |
| 04:11.50 | mheath | Default options create a /boot/grub, which is why he's getting the mkdir error |
| 04:12.17 | herlo | mheath: that's true, but he's not even got a partition table on his disk so he's hosed either way |
| 04:12.48 | clutchmm | herlo: on the last command I get "dd: opening '/dev/hda' : No medium found cat: /tmp/myfile: No such file or directory |
| 04:13.01 | clutchmm | and no I didn't sudo before |
| 04:13.08 | herlo | clutchmm: http://fedora-tutorials.com/2007/03/16/sfdisk-my-new-saving-grace/ |
| 04:13.40 | mheath | yeah, I was just about to suggest sfdisk |
| 04:13.42 | herlo | clutchmm: I'm not sure where you can write on your ramdisk or if you even can |
| 04:14.03 | clutchmm | ok sudo fdisk -l just gave me stuff |
| 04:14.05 | mheath | You can |
| 04:14.14 | mheath | I believe Ubuntu has ~/ UnionFS'd with a ramdisk. |
| 04:14.15 | herlo | mheath: well, its more than just that. If he's hosed his partition table, there's a great article linked that will help him fix that |
| 04:14.30 | herlo | clutchmm: what does it say |
| 04:15.11 | mheath | BTW, cfdisk (which is also on the CD) is easier to deal with in this situation, as it will outright tell you if fthe partition table is missing or corrupt. |
| 04:15.42 | clutchmm | herlo: Disk /dev/sda: 80.0 GB, Device boot /dev/sda1 |
| 04:15.44 | herlo | mheath: didn't know that cfdisk wsa on there... |
| 04:15.56 | clutchmm | and a bunch of other stuff |
| 04:15.59 | herlo | clutchmm: seems fine. What you need to do is this then... |
| 04:16.01 | mheath | Unless they changed it in newer CDs, it is... |
| 04:16.29 | herlo | mkdir /blah |
| 04:16.35 | herlo | mount /dev/sda1 /blah |
| 04:16.46 | herlo | ls -l /blah/grub |
| 04:16.57 | herlo | if you get something back you're good and you can run this |
| 04:17.29 | herlo | sudo grub-install --root-directory=/blah /dev/sda |
| 04:17.34 | steve8track | I was wrong it seems, sometimes I still get the cd error, but at least I can use the iso method. |
| 04:17.40 | herlo | of course, add sudo as needed |
| 04:17.49 | herlo | steve8track: nice |
| 04:19.00 | clutchmm | herlo: on the mount blah i got "mount: you must specify the file system type" |
| 04:19.51 | mheath | What filesystem is in /dev/sda1? |
| 04:20.03 | mheath | Do you have Linux or Windows or ... installed there? |
| 04:20.27 | clutchmm | linux,win2k,vista |
| 04:20.40 | clutchmm | triple boot |
| 04:20.42 | mheath | Which one is in sda1 though? |
| 04:21.12 | clutchmm | originally all the drive had was win2k |
| 04:21.50 | mheath | Sorry to backtrack on you, but herlo seems to have departed....All you're trying to do is get GRUB on the drive, right? |
| 04:21.56 | mheath | GRUB somehow got messed up, you want to recover it. |
| 04:22.05 | clutchmm | yes |
| 04:22.29 | clutchmm | it crapped out after I installed gutsy as a VM |
| 04:23.57 | clutchmm | from fdisk sda1 has "W95 Ext'd (LBA)" under system |
| 04:24.24 | mheath | hold on just a sec, looking up something for you |
| 04:25.15 | mheath | clutchmm, OK, at the command line, just type "sudo grub". You should get a command like grub> ...let me know if you do. |
| 04:25.23 | mheath | *command line like grub> |
| 04:26.29 | clutchmm | says it's probing devices to guess bios drivers |
| 04:26.36 | clutchmm | and yes there it is |
| 04:26.41 | mheath | OK, wait for it for a second... |
| 04:26.49 | mheath | OK, what linux distro do you have installed? Ubuntu, I take it? |
| 04:27.01 | clutchmm | yes |
| 04:27.12 | clutchmm | feisty at the moment |
| 04:27.41 | mheath | OK, at the grub> prompt, type "find /boot/grub/stage1" |
| 04:27.53 | mheath | Tell me what it gives you |
| 04:28.10 | mheath | (might take a sec to run) |
| 04:28.38 | clutchmm | error 15: file not found |
| 04:30.08 | mheath | Hmmm. Somethings critically messed up with your hard drive or partitions, or your Linux installation.. |
| 04:30.58 | clutchmm | everything was fine until the gutsy vm, but can I fix it? |
| 04:31.46 | mheath | You can't install grub on your hard drive without fixing what is, somehow, a broken linux install. |
| 04:32.36 | mheath | actually...wait... |
| 04:34.03 | mheath | clutchmm, Yeah, sorry... See, grub needs some files in a /boot/grub/* SOMEWHERE on your hard drive. It uses those because all of Grub doesn't fit in the MBR, so it has to load some secondary files.... |
| 04:34.28 | mheath | clutchmm, "find" searches all your hard drives for a /boot/grub/stage1, a required f ile that should exist on a Ubuntu install. Grub can't find this anywhere. |
| 04:35.34 | mheath | With your earlier FDisk problems, it sounds like your partition table might be corrupt. |
| 04:36.18 | clutchmm | I think that is why zelut was trying to get me to chroot into my hd system |
| 04:36.58 | mheath | Yeah, but....you need to know what partition its installed on to be able to chroot into it.. |
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| 04:37.40 | clutchmm | I think I do |
| 04:37.52 | mheath | clutchmm, THen try mounting it as herlo suggested |
| 04:37.54 | clutchmm | hd0,3 |
| 04:38.25 | mheath | mount /dev/sda3 /blah |
| 04:38.27 | clutchmm | yeah but he didn't tell me how just chroot |
| 04:38.34 | mheath | erm |
| 04:38.36 | mheath | mkdir /blah |
| 04:38.43 | mheath | mount /dev/sda3 /blah |
| 04:39.15 | mheath | Eerm, sorry |
| 04:39.22 | mheath | mount /dev/sda4 /blah |
| 04:39.39 | mheath | Tell me if that works |
| 04:39.51 | clutchmm | how do I get out of grub> |
| 04:40.04 | mheath | quit |
| 04:42.11 | mheath | clutchmm, actually, I gotta head out, so let me give you some clear and complete instructions |
| 04:42.18 | mheath | these assume, of course, your installation isn't broken: |
| 04:42.23 | mheath | mkdir /mnt/root |
| 04:42.32 | mheath | mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/root |
| 04:42.38 | mheath | chroot /mnt/root /bin/bash |
| 04:42.48 | mheath | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 04:45.41 | clutchmm | backing up to "mount /dev/sda4 /blah" from before, it says "special device does not exist" |
| 04:45.54 | clutchmm | so is it sda3? |
| 04:46.01 | mheath | I dunno, try |
| 04:46.11 | mheath | try 1-whatever |
| 04:48.11 | clutchmm | none work but sda and sda1 but both want me to specify a file system |
| 04:50.09 | clutchmm | but I know the partitions are there because the parted magic live cd shows them under a partition check |
| 05:14.30 | Gate | heh, you people have way to much fun with bots. |
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| 05:41.12 | herlo | clutchmm: you don't have any filesystems on them it semas |
| 05:41.14 | herlo | seams |
| 05:41.43 | herlo | seems |
| 05:41.46 | herlo | argh!!! |
| 05:50.37 | SorenStoutner | clutchmm: Have you tried booting a Knoppix CD and seeing if you can browse the files on the hard drive. |
| 05:50.39 | SorenStoutner | ? |
| 05:50.53 | SorenStoutner | This will tell you several things: |
| 05:51.15 | SorenStoutner | 1. How the partitions are formatted. |
| 05:51.33 | SorenStoutner | 2. If the partition information and the file system is OK. |
| 05:52.17 | SorenStoutner | Knoppix auto detects all this on boot, so it is a good way to diagnose. |
| 05:53.15 | clutchmm | no I haven't, I just went back throught the parted magic live cd and it said the drive was unallocated. so I had it search for lost partitions and it found them, then I had it restore the lost partitions, and am waiting for the live cd to load so I went outside to smoke |
| 05:53.39 | clutchmm | sorry I type slow :) |
| 05:54.09 | SorenStoutner | I was just going to recommend using PartedMagic to recreate the partition tables, but it looks like you are ahead of me. |
| 05:54.12 | clutchmm | but where can I get that just in case |
| 05:54.48 | SorenStoutner | http://www.knoppix.net/get.php |
| 05:55.54 | clutchmm | if it recreated the partitions do I still loose all my info |
| 05:55.55 | SorenStoutner | When it boots it will place an icon on the desktop for each of the partitions found on your hard drive. |
| 05:56.03 | SorenStoutner | Depends on how they were damaged. |
| 05:56.16 | SorenStoutner | If only the partition table was damaged then all your data was still there. |
| 05:56.57 | SorenStoutner | If the file system was damaged then other tools, like fsck, may be able to repair them. |
| 05:57.26 | SorenStoutner | Knoppix can run fsck the Ubuntu partition. |
| 05:57.57 | SorenStoutner | For NTFS you'll probably want something like http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 05:58.07 | SorenStoutner | It's a live Windows |
| 05:58.09 | SorenStoutner | CD. |
| 05:58.36 | SorenStoutner | You can use it to run chkdsk on your NTFS partitions. |
| 05:59.01 | Claudius | uh oh..... |
| 05:59.18 | SorenStoutner | It's not guaranteed to work perfectly on Vista because it's based on XP, but it's a pretty good option. |
| 05:59.32 | SorenStoutner | Knoppix will mount NTFS partitions. |
| 05:59.33 | Claudius | someone besides ME used the "W" word here in the ubuntu channel? |
| 06:00.57 | SorenStoutner | By default Knoppix always mounts the hard drive partitions read-only, but you can right click on the desktop icon after it is mounted and switch it to read-write. |
| 06:01.17 | clutchmm | SorenStoutner: I still don't know how in the hell all this happened, the drive was five when I shut it down last night but when I woke up and turned it on all I got was "MBR error" |
| 06:01.42 | SorenStoutner | clutchmm: How old is the hard drive? |
| 06:01.46 | SorenStoutner | Is it making any funny noises? |
| 06:02.11 | clutchmm | mayme 7 months |
| 06:02.24 | clutchmm | no noise |
| 06:02.26 | SorenStoutner | Claudius: By the way, that Drive Image XML is going to take about an hour to finish imaging that Artichoke computer. |
| 06:02.31 | clutchmm | 80gig sata |
| 06:03.57 | SorenStoutner | Claudius: Definitely not as fast as Acronis. |
| 06:03.58 | clutchmm | SorenStoutner: the only thing I can think of is when I created the gutsy virtual machine to test it out |
| 06:04.40 | SorenStoutner | clutchmm: Have you had any power problems in your area recently? Specifically brownouts? |
| 06:05.03 | SorenStoutner | What VM software are you using? |
| 06:05.46 | clutchmm | not that I know of, plus my machine is plugged into a power cleaner/surge protector |
| 06:05.53 | clutchmm | vmware |
| 06:06.29 | SorenStoutner | VMWare doesn't edit your MBR, so I think the timing is probably just coincidental. |
| 06:06.58 | SorenStoutner | Does your battery backup have AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulation)? |
| 06:07.38 | clutchmm | I don't have a backup but the cleaner has AVR |
| 06:08.28 | SorenStoutner | Maybe your drive is just defective. |
| 06:08.57 | SorenStoutner | If all three partitions have ceased to exist, then it may be something wrong with the electronics on the drive. |
| 06:09.22 | SorenStoutner | If only one partition is messed up, then it could have been something that operating system did to itself. |
| 06:09.34 | SorenStoutner | What type of drive is it? |
| 06:09.43 | clutchmm | seagate |
| 06:09.54 | SorenStoutner | Which are usually fairly reliable. |
| 06:10.45 | SorenStoutner | What is the drive doing right now? |
| 06:10.55 | clutchmm | I wonder if it is a problem with vista |
| 06:11.00 | SorenStoutner | Can you browse the files from the PartedMagic CD? |
| 06:11.14 | SorenStoutner | It could be. What was the last Operating System you had running? |
| 06:11.26 | clutchmm | feisty |
| 06:11.54 | clutchmm | the gutsy live cd is running right now |
| 06:12.15 | clutchmm | is there a way I can check it from here? |
| 06:12.41 | SorenStoutner | Does the gutsy CD automatically mount the hard drive on the host computer? |
| 06:13.23 | clutchmm | it kind of looks that way |
| 06:13.53 | SorenStoutner | If it does, you should see 3 icons on your desktop, one for each partition. |
| 06:13.53 | clutchmm | yup, and all my files seem to be there |
| 06:14.02 | SorenStoutner | In all 3 partitions? |
| 06:14.31 | clutchmm | not on the desktop but under places > computer |
| 06:14.39 | SorenStoutner | OK. |
| 06:15.19 | SorenStoutner | So that's looking good. |
| 06:15.34 | SorenStoutner | Does it tell you which partition is which? |
| 06:15.47 | SorenStoutner | sda1 is NTFS, for example. |
| 06:16.23 | clutchmm | just a sec |
| 06:17.05 | clutchmm | now I have disk, disk-1, media, and vista on my desktop |
| 06:17.49 | SorenStoutner | I'm mostly a KDE person, so I'm not totally familiar with Gnome. |
| 06:18.09 | SorenStoutner | But let's try command line. |
| 06:18.31 | clutchmm | under "vista" right click properties it says ntfs under file system |
| 06:18.37 | SorenStoutner | Or even a file editor. |
| 06:18.55 | SorenStoutner | I'm looking for which partition, sda1, sda2, etc. is assigned to each filesystem. |
| 06:19.03 | SorenStoutner | Do you know off the top of your head? |
| 06:19.12 | SorenStoutner | If not, look in the file /etd/mtab |
| 06:19.19 | SorenStoutner | It show all current mounted partitions. |
| 06:19.33 | SorenStoutner | I mean /etc/mtab |
| 06:21.26 | clutchmm | the default res for gutsy is really small but I have a list so let me find out |
| 06:24.59 | clutchmm | ok sda3 is media/disk ext3, sda1 is media/disk-1 fuseblk, sdb1 is media/media fuseblk, and sda4 is media/vista fuseblk |
| 06:26.03 | SorenStoutner | Is your CD drive sata? |
| 06:26.40 | clutchmm | no, it's the last IDE in my box |
| 06:27.01 | SorenStoutner | Do you have two sata hard drives? |
| 06:27.07 | clutchmm | yup |
| 06:27.24 | clutchmm | 1 for OSs and the other for media |
| 06:27.51 | SorenStoutner | So I'm guessing sda1 is Windows XP. |
| 06:27.59 | SorenStoutner | sda3 is Ubuntu. |
| 06:28.05 | clutchmm | but it seems like restoring the partitions saved me |
| 06:28.07 | SorenStoutner | sda4 is Vista |
| 06:28.31 | clutchmm | yeah, except that xp is win2k |
| 06:28.36 | SorenStoutner | Yes, it sounds like your partitions information, which is stored at the beginning of the drive, was messed up. |
| 06:28.37 | SorenStoutner | OK. |
| 06:28.40 | clutchmm | I don't like xp |
| 06:29.02 | SorenStoutner | And you like Vista? |
| 06:29.10 | clutchmm | so is grub fixed |
| 06:29.18 | SorenStoutner | I don't know yet. |
| 06:29.33 | clutchmm | no, I got vista for a couple of games |
| 06:29.35 | SorenStoutner | Look inside of sda3. |
| 06:29.38 | SorenStoutner | Ahh. |
| 06:29.41 | SorenStoutner | I understand. |
| 06:29.43 | clutchmm | I havn't used it in 8 months |
| 06:29.59 | SorenStoutner | Look for /boot/grub |
| 06:30.36 | clutchmm | got stage 1 and 2 |
| 06:30.56 | clutchmm | and a bunch of other stuff |
| 06:31.18 | SorenStoutner | Try booting to your hard drive. |
| 06:31.23 | SorenStoutner | If it works, we're home free. |
| 06:31.37 | clutchmm | k, just a sec |
| 06:31.44 | SorenStoutner | Otherwise we might have to follow the advice given earlier about reinstalling Grub to the MBR. |
| 06:34.02 | clutchmm | yeah, grub didn't load and the vista loader is giving me shit too |
| 06:35.32 | SorenStoutner | OK. |
| 06:35.39 | clutchmm | back to the ubuntu live cd |
| 06:35.46 | SorenStoutner | Yes. |
| 06:36.13 | clutchmm | then I will have to do the same thing with win2k and vista but they will repair themselves |
| 06:36.36 | clutchmm | waiting for the load...... time to smoke |
| 06:36.54 | SorenStoutner | I'm guessing that Grub came up and you could choose between the options, but none of them worked. |
| 06:37.27 | clutchmm | nope, vista boot loader instead |
| 06:37.47 | SorenStoutner | Ah. |
| 06:38.06 | SorenStoutner | We'll, what we'll try to do is reinstall Grub to the MBR and see if that fixes everything. |
| 06:38.45 | clutchmm | it should |
| 06:39.11 | clutchmm | except for the vista loader, but that one is easy |
| 06:39.25 | clutchmm | cause they built it for morons |
| 06:39.42 | SorenStoutner | Were you using Grub before you had this problem? |
| 06:39.55 | clutchmm | yup |
| 06:40.25 | clutchmm | since my first linux disaster 6 months ago:) |
| 06:40.31 | SorenStoutner | So Vista uses its own boot loader on top of (or after) Grub? |
| 06:40.43 | clutchmm | after |
| 06:40.54 | SorenStoutner | That's interesting. |
| 06:41.09 | clutchmm | the vista boot loader loads vista and win2k |
| 06:41.44 | clutchmm | even if I try to have grub load 2k it just goes to the vista loader |
| 06:41.56 | SorenStoutner | Interesting. |
| 06:42.38 | SorenStoutner | Is your live CD about up? |
| 06:43.36 | clutchmm | I have an all in 1 hdd to usb adapter, I should be able to plug any drive into a usb port on my laptop and access it from there right? |
| 06:44.02 | clutchmm | yeah it's probably done but I went outside to smoke |
| 06:44.11 | SorenStoutner | OK. |
| 06:44.18 | SorenStoutner | I would guess so. |
| 06:44.35 | SorenStoutner | What happened with your first Linux disaster? |
| 06:45.26 | clutchmm | hmmm... because I pulled that drive out of my desktop and hooked it up to my laptop to try and fix it but it didn't register |
| 06:46.07 | SorenStoutner | Have you used this USB adapter before? |
| 06:47.26 | clutchmm | I messed with xorg.conf trying to get beryl to work, and even though I made a backup of the file I didn't realize that it was case sensitive and had to reinstall |
| 06:47.49 | clutchmm | no, this was my first shot with the adapter |
| 06:48.44 | SorenStoutner | Sometimes it's hard to tell if the problem is with the hard drive or the adapter. |
| 06:49.22 | clutchmm | ok live cd is up |
| 06:49.37 | SorenStoutner | Mount the Ubuntu partition. |
| 06:49.42 | SorenStoutner | sda3 |
| 06:49.54 | SorenStoutner | Make sure you know where it is mounted. |
| 06:51.46 | clutchmm | ok, it is /media/disk |
| 06:52.06 | SorenStoutner | chroot /media/disk |
| 06:52.55 | SorenStoutner | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 06:54.07 | SorenStoutner | Any error messages? |
| 06:54.56 | clutchmm | yeah, on the grub I got "/dev/sda: not found or not a block device" |
| 06:56.06 | SorenStoutner | I'm guessing that's because /dev/sda is being created every time your computer boots. |
| 06:56.20 | SorenStoutner | And because we didn't boot from the hard drive, it isn't there. |
| 06:56.24 | SorenStoutner | Or is setup wrong. |
| 06:56.51 | SorenStoutner | Can you go check to see if /dev/sda exists inside of /media/disk? |
| 06:56.53 | clutchmm | my prompt is "root@ubuntu:/#" |
| 06:58.17 | clutchmm | media/disk/dev is as far s it goesa |
| 06:59.01 | SorenStoutner | OK. |
| 06:59.07 | SorenStoutner | I'm reading some instructions online for this. |
| 06:59.15 | SorenStoutner | http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/11/how-to-repair-corrupt-mbr-and-boot.html |
| 06:59.22 | SorenStoutner | Basically we need to add an extra command. |
| 06:59.46 | SorenStoutner | First, exit out of the chroot. |
| 06:59.51 | SorenStoutner | I believe exit should work for that. |
| 06:59.59 | SorenStoutner | Typing "exit" that is. |
| 07:01.13 | SorenStoutner | Or you could just close your terminal and start a new one. |
| 07:01.37 | clutchmm | I think I have an easy solution, but I need to be sure of some info first |
| 07:02.07 | SorenStoutner | OK. |
| 07:02.17 | clutchmm | fdisk -l will list things like (hd0) and (hd0,1) right? |
| 07:02.50 | SorenStoutner | No. |
| 07:03.03 | clutchmm | oh |
| 07:03.06 | SorenStoutner | Only Grub uses the terminology hd0,1 etc. |
| 07:03.35 | SorenStoutner | The Linux kernel always uses three letters, like hda0, hda1, etc. |
| 07:03.38 | clutchmm | yeah, this is a simple way to fix it with grub |
| 07:04.27 | clutchmm | my boot was at sda3 right |
| 07:04.28 | SorenStoutner | The command you need to run before the chroot is mount -o bind /dev /media/disk/dev |
| 07:04.57 | SorenStoutner | sda3 is your Linux partition. |
| 07:05.44 | clutchmm | right so my grub is (hd0,2) |
| 07:06.00 | SorenStoutner | This binds (basically copies) the /dev folder created by the live CD to the /dev folder on sda3. |
| 07:06.32 | SorenStoutner | I believe hd0 is the first usable partition on your hard drive, which is going to be sda1 |
| 07:06.42 | SorenStoutner | hd2 is probably the Vista partition. |
| 07:06.46 | SorenStoutner | sda4 |
| 07:06.59 | SorenStoutner | But I could be wrong on that. |
| 07:07.16 | clutchmm | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24113&highlight=MBR+error+on+boot |
| 07:07.36 | clutchmm | go to the second entry |
| 07:08.35 | SorenStoutner | That's pretty cool. |
| 07:08.41 | SorenStoutner | So you are right. |
| 07:08.48 | SorenStoutner | sd0,2 |
| 07:08.53 | SorenStoutner | hd0,2 |
| 07:09.04 | SorenStoutner | I was mixed up. |
| 07:09.54 | SorenStoutner | Did that work? |
| 07:11.26 | clutchmm | actually I need /sda on my physical drive first then it will work |
| 07:11.49 | SorenStoutner | Are you stil in the chroot. |
| 07:11.53 | SorenStoutner | That could be a problem. |
| 07:12.03 | SorenStoutner | Close your terminal and start from scratch. |
| 07:12.07 | clutchmm | no, I exited already |
| 07:12.19 | SorenStoutner | And it still had a problem. |
| 07:12.37 | SorenStoutner | These grub commands shouldn't care about the /dev directory. |
| 07:12.49 | clutchmm | hmmm |
| 07:14.26 | SorenStoutner | Well, you can try the other method. |
| 07:14.32 | SorenStoutner | Make sure the partition is mounted. |
| 07:14.47 | SorenStoutner | Then: |
| 07:14.50 | SorenStoutner | mount -o bind /dev /media/disk/dev |
| 07:14.56 | SorenStoutner | Which links the /dev directories |
| 07:15.10 | SorenStoutner | Then chroot /media/disk |
| 07:15.20 | SorenStoutner | And grub-install /dev/sda |
| 07:18.07 | SorenStoutner | Well, it's getting late and I'm getting tired. |
| 07:18.13 | clutchmm | ouch!! "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 07:18.35 | SorenStoutner | Oooh. That doesn't sound good. Perhaps the file is corrupted. |
| 07:19.16 | clutchmm | is there a way to copy the grub files from the disk to the drive? |
| 07:19.45 | SorenStoutner | Well, stage1 probably has to be recreated. |
| 07:19.48 | SorenStoutner | Let me see. |
| 07:20.15 | clutchmm | will you be around tomorrow? I need to get to bed |
| 07:20.55 | SorenStoutner | I do too. I'm probably going to be busy most of the day. |
| 07:22.21 | clutchmm | thanks for your help, I'll be at it tomorrow if you are around |
| 07:22.30 | clutchmm | have a good night |
| 07:22.48 | SorenStoutner | You too. Do a search to see what program creates the stage1 file. |
| 07:23.01 | SorenStoutner | You might even be able to just delete it. |
| 07:23.10 | SorenStoutner | Running grub-install might create it automatically. |
| 07:23.16 | SorenStoutner | But I don't know for sure. |
| 07:24.12 | SorenStoutner | You could also try running fsck on sda3. It might have some bad sectors that are preventing that file from being read. |
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| 07:29.20 | clutchmm | how do I run that on just sda3? |
| 07:29.43 | SorenStoutner | fsck /dev/sda3 |
| 07:29.47 | SorenStoutner | That should work. |
| 07:30.01 | SorenStoutner | Sometimes you need more options. |
| 07:30.28 | SorenStoutner | Look at this thread: |
| 07:30.29 | SorenStoutner | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-39852.html |
| 07:30.45 | SorenStoutner | You might try running the command update-grub before grub-install. |
| 07:30.57 | SorenStoutner | Couldn't hurt. |
| 07:31.15 | SorenStoutner | I'm off to bed. |
| 07:31.40 | clutchmm | night |
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| 14:45.21 | Yorokobi | Is anybody carpooling from the SLC area to UTOSC? |
| 14:49.33 | SorenStoutner | Claudius and I are. He's driving. |
| 14:50.42 | Yorokobi | Have room for one more, SorenStoutner ? |
| 14:52.30 | Yorokobi | Or, more precisely, does Claudius have room for one more? If not, I can drive. |
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| 14:59.48 | sontek | I'm going to live at the OSTC |
| 14:59.54 | sontek | picking up my sleeping bag tonight! |
| 14:59.55 | sontek | ;) |
| 15:04.02 | Zelut | lol |
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| 15:20.30 | SorenStoutner | Yorokobi: I think he does. You'll have to ask him. He's usually on in the evenings. |
| 15:21.15 | Yorokobi | okay, thanks SorenStoutner |
| 15:22.54 | herlo | Yorokobi: hit Zelut up |
| 15:26.33 | Yorokobi | Zelut, what say you? |
| 15:29.32 | herlo | Yorokobi: nah, 'tis better this way. |
| 15:32.04 | Yorokobi | Sweet, I can buy a Snickers bar today. |
| 15:45.57 | Zelut | what do you guys need? |
| 15:46.16 | Yorokobi | A ride to UTOSC, if you've got room (and are willing) |
| 15:48.08 | Yorokobi | hmmm, I have a 4-door sedan. I am asking only because my wife has required it of me :) |
| 15:48.56 | Zelut | I haven't really thought about my travel plans down there yet, but I just have two seats.. |
| 15:51.10 | Yorokobi | I have 4 available seats, if anyone wants to drive part of the way and carpool the remaining distance. |
| 16:15.00 | mheath | My plans on attending have somehwhat fallen through, but assuming they pull together soon I could give a few people a ride from Ogden area (possibly pick up others from on the way, as long as your not too far off I-15) |
| 16:18.24 | herlo | mheath: there're some on uphpu's list IIRC that wanted a ride. |
| 16:19.00 | mheath | Ah, I'm not subscribed to that, I'll take a look though. |
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| 16:20.39 | mheath | clutchmm, Sorry I had to leave last night. Did you get your GRUB and partition woes sorted out? |
| 16:21.09 | clutchmm | not yet, I left when you did |
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| 16:21.31 | clutchmm | at least all the info is still there |
| 16:22.44 | mheath | Oh, you found out what partition Linux is on? |
| 16:23.42 | clutchmm | yeah, I had to use parted magic to restore the partitions |
| 16:23.51 | clutchmm | linux is sda3 |
| 16:24.10 | mheath | Oh, OK, GREAT |
| 16:24.18 | mheath | Now you can run the grub commands I talked about last night |
| 16:24.26 | mheath | sudo grub |
| 16:24.40 | mheath | Then at the grub prompt: find /boot/grub/stage1 |
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| 16:26.06 | clutchmm | I found stage1 with the file browser but when I did the grub-install it said stage1 was corrupted |
| 16:26.51 | clutchmm | (hd0,2) |
| 16:26.51 | mheath | OK, try what I suggested then |
| 16:26.54 | mheath | OK |
| 16:27.43 | mheath | do "root (hd0,2)" |
| 16:27.54 | mheath | then |
| 16:28.01 | mheath | "setup (hd0)" |
| 16:28.52 | mheath | Does that give you any errors? |
| 16:28.53 | clutchmm | ok |
| 16:29.05 | clutchmm | not that I can see |
| 16:29.23 | mheath | OK, try rebooting without the LiveCD in the drive....you should get GRUB :) |
| 16:29.58 | mheath | erm, wait, actually |
| 16:30.09 | mheath | If you haven't started rebooting already |
| 16:30.15 | mheath | clutchmm, Just to verify, you saw output like: |
| 16:30.28 | mheath | Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes |
| 16:30.28 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.30 | mheath | [....] |
| 16:30.37 | clutchmm | too late |
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| 16:31.35 | clutchmm | well I got grub and tried to run ubuntu and got "Error17 Cannot mount selected partition |
| 16:32.52 | clutchmm | so now what? |
| 16:33.43 | mheath | clutchmm, hmmm. I'd start with going back into the LiveCD and fsck'ing the ubuntu partition. |
| 16:33.49 | mheath | YOu know how to do a filesystem check? |
| 16:34.24 | clutchmm | it has the wrong partition listed as root |
| 16:34.33 | mheath | ah, that would be it, then :P |
| 16:35.33 | mheath | clutchmm, working now? |
| 16:35.37 | clutchmm | WOOT |
| 16:35.47 | mheath | BTW, related rant: I friggin HATE Grub's HDD notation |
| 16:36.21 | mheath | I run GNU (Mach/Hurd) on some machines, and its a nightmare mentally switching between GRUB, Linux, and Hurd HDD/Partition numbering schemes. |
| 16:36.24 | clutchmm | had to edit (hd0,3) to (hd0,2) in grub's editor |
| 16:36.34 | mheath | clutchmm, Cool. Working fine now? |
| 16:37.01 | mheath | Since you had to restore partition info with Parted, make sure Ubuntu fsck's the partition, to make sure the filesystem is in good shape and correct, if it doesn't do that automatically. |
| 16:37.01 | clutchmm | YEAH BABY!!!!!! |
| 16:37.45 | mheath | clutchmm, Cool. Hope I was of some help in getting you there :) |
| 16:38.36 | |phoenyx| | Hurd? I thought that was a myth |
| 16:38.38 | Zelut | only took a full day to find that |
| 16:39.47 | mheath | Zelut, Well, it was more than that. Corrupt partition table, and missing GRUB. :P |
| 16:39.56 | clutchmm | what do I need to do to fsck? I just got an error about it being a mounted file system |
| 16:40.28 | mheath | clutchmm, Drop down to single user mode, remount RO, then do it. |
| 16:40.48 | mheath | Theres probably an easier way to do that though... |
| 16:41.03 | mheath | Anyone know of a way in Ubuntu you can force a fsck on next boot? |
| 16:41.15 | mheath | I know some distros have configuration files for that....not sure about Ubuntu |
| 16:41.50 | clutchmm | ok, so what is single user mode? thought I was in that |
| 16:41.51 | mheath | |phoenyx|, It will be if they don't stop being idiots, and get a decent project roadmap so they can actually get some work done. |
| 16:42.05 | findlay-w | herlo: ping |
| 16:43.18 | mheath | clutchmm, Single user mode is a really simple mode where not much software is running on the system, basically. So little software, infact, that the system doesn't even have the necessary stuff to support multiple user accounts doing things - hence "single user" mode.. |
| 16:44.27 | clutchmm | is there a way to just tell it to run the check when I reboot? |
| 16:45.00 | mheath | oh, yeah |
| 16:45.40 | maquis | clutchmm: normally, there are lots of users running on your computer. Users like apache, postgres, root, postfix, etc. |
| 16:46.08 | mheath | in a console: "sudo shutdown -Fr now" |
| 16:46.12 | maquis | in addition, when you're in normal mode, other users can also connect into your computer if you let them, and work simultaneously while you'r eworking\ |
| 16:46.31 | maquis | in single-user mode, root is the only user that gets to run. |
| 16:46.50 | mheath | maquis, networking isn't necessarily exclusive of single user mode, though |
| 16:47.05 | mheath | clutchmm, that will reboot your system and force a fsck on reboot |
| 16:47.09 | maquis | mheath: but you can't have someone ssh'd in, right? |
| 16:47.21 | maquis | (ie, you can't have an additional person ssh'd in, i believe) |
| 16:47.42 | mheath | maquis, that depends on the configuration of your ssh daemon. You can't have UID != 0 logged in. |
| 16:48.39 | maquis | ah... ok |
| 16:48.40 | mheath | "single user mode" is kind of an ambiguous term in modern Linux systems. It's not a feature of the kernel or operating system, just a kind of information consensus between distros on what init should have running at that runlevel. |
| 16:48.50 | mheath | s/information/informal/g |
| 16:48.55 | clutchmm | alright I need to get grub to remember hd0,2 not hd0,3 |
| 16:49.22 | mheath | clutchmm, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:49.37 | maquis | clutchmm: so, when you boot up and get to grub, edit the boot line, change it there, then when you get booted, edit the line in grub.conf |
| 16:49.51 | clutchmm | wow, is it did the fsck it was in a blink |
| 16:50.26 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 16:50.35 | mheath | Does Ubuntu's shutdown honor -F? Anyone know? |
| 16:50.46 | clutchmm | that would be a great way to keep people out |
| 16:51.18 | mheath | clutchmm, what, the incorrect grub entry? |
| 16:51.36 | mheath | GRUB also supports password protected entries, FYI, if you want to do security correctly :) |
| 16:52.25 | clutchmm | yeah, cause you can just fix it at the scree |
| 16:52.33 | clutchmm | screen** |
| 16:53.15 | mheath | Security by Obscurity is generally a bad thing. |
| 16:54.10 | mheath | clutchmm, if you want security, you should pasword protect grub |
| 16:54.45 | mheath | With an open grub prompt, a clever person can do everything from change your root password, to delete the contents of your hard drive |
| 16:54.48 | clutchmm | it was just an idea, not a plan |
| 16:55.13 | mheath | init="dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" =P |
| 16:55.50 | clutchmm | alright fixed menu.lst all the kernel entries where for hd0,3 so I changed them |
| 16:57.13 | clutchmm | hd0,3 in my swap partition |
| 16:59.55 | clutchmm | now I have to fix the other 2 OSs.... I still can't believe my whole partition table just vanished |
| 17:01.24 | Yorokobi | ~w00t |
| 17:01.24 | jbot | w00t!!! |
| 17:01.30 | Yorokobi | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118891067511516783.html?mod=googlenews_wsj |
| 17:01.45 | findlay-w | ~quote scox |
| 17:04.11 | mheath | clutchmm, you said you had something in a VM, right? |
| 17:04.30 | clutchmm | yeah, gutsy |
| 17:04.32 | mheath | Did you give this VM 'limited' access to your HDD in some way?' |
| 17:05.22 | clutchmm | I set a 10 gig file on a different drive |
| 17:05.53 | clutchmm | for the VM's hd |
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| 17:06.21 | mheath | Ah. Depending on the VMs configuration, though, it's conceivable that the Gutsy install could have had access to the hDD in some way |
| 17:06.37 | mheath | It could have possibly been that that overwrote GRUB |
| 17:06.40 | Gate | oooh. this sounds interesting :) |
| 17:07.22 | mheath | clutchmm, just speculation, as you said the only thing that you changed between it working and not working was setup a VM with gutsy on it |
| 17:07.50 | clutchmm | maybe but the install was done with vmware onto the 10gig file, none of my other VMs did that |
| 17:08.25 | mheath | Yeah..hmm. |
| 17:08.39 | mheath | Hey, question: Is there any GPS Navigation software for Linux? |
| 17:08.43 | Gate | yes |
| 17:08.49 | Gate | looked at it a while back |
| 17:08.53 | mheath | I know Google Earth does it, but I need something with downloadable/standalone map data. |
| 17:08.58 | Gate | I'll see if I can find it again for you |
| 17:09.18 | Gate | http://tuxmobil.org/navigation_gps.html |
| 17:11.10 | mheath | Looked through a bit of that, and it seems to all be utilities for working with a GPS device in Linux |
| 17:11.20 | mheath | I want a navigation program...IE, input an address, and it provides driving directions.. |
| 17:11.23 | Gate | mheath: That is one of the things I had a hard time finding. You can download stuff from USGS and pump it into some of those programs |
| 17:11.53 | mheath | Google Earth can cache certain data for offline use... |
| 17:12.13 | mheath | I wish it had an option where you could create a route, and then have it cache all necessary data for navigating+displaying that route |
| 17:12.31 | Gate | someday, perhaps :( |
| 17:13.03 | mheath | Yeah.. |
| 17:13.29 | mheath | It's hard to fit all the necessary data for nation-wide navigation on one computer.. |
| 17:13.47 | mheath | Microsoft Streets+Trips is an example of how to do that, but the quality of their maps is horrible |
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| 17:14.09 | mheath | And so large (two CDs) that it's impossible for them to release updates for the map data, save for new releases... |
| 17:15.58 | mheath | I wish I could figure out the touchpad tracking issues in Ubuntu on my laptop, so I could run it on that.. |
| 17:21.11 | clutchmm | what is the command to unpack and install a tar.gz from a terminal? |
| 17:21.24 | Yorokobi | tar xzvf <tarfile> |
| 17:23.11 | mheath | clutchmm, What do you mean by 'install'? Is this source code? |
| 17:23.18 | mheath | Yorokobi's command will unpack it |
| 17:23.23 | mheath | But doesn't 'install' it. |
| 17:23.38 | clutchmm | it's a package for vmtools |
| 17:24.24 | mheath | Check their documentation on how to install, then. |
| 17:30.11 | clutchmm | I did, and the install just failed, something about not being able to copy some file to a folder |
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| 17:57.49 | redbeard2 | ~lart Zelut |
| 17:57.49 | jbot | gives Zelut a good seeing to |
| 18:06.20 | mheath | clutchmm, if you haven't fixed it by now...tell me what the error is, maybe I can help solve it. |
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| 18:42.56 | clutchmm | mheath_: give me just a sec I'll brb\ |
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| 19:06.40 | herlo | findlay-w: pong |
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| 21:23.09 | atoponce | jbot: boo! |
| 21:23.10 | jbot | for heaven's sake, atoponce, don't do that! |
| 21:29.18 | findlay-w | herlo: ping again |
| 21:29.32 | findlay-w | ping pong is silly |
| 21:29.44 | findlay-w | why not just say right from the start what you were going to say? |
| 21:30.01 | Zelut | findlay-w: would you prefer syn/ack? |
| 21:30.42 | findlay-w | Zelut: well ping/pong syn/ack can go on ad infinitum if the two parties aren't ever at the keyboard at the same time |
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| 21:31.35 | herlo | findlay-w: pong |
| 21:31.37 | findlay-w | herlo: anyway, is it possible for me to get one more access code for the UTOSC keynote? |
| 21:52.37 | maquis | ~quote amzn |
| 21:53.42 | herlo | findlay-w: uh, we're kinda full |
| 21:58.27 | maquis | ~quote scox |
| 21:58.43 | maquis | how'd they get up to .609? |
| 22:06.43 | |phoenyx| | ~D.L. bachisanerd |
| 22:06.44 | jbot | ACTION reaches through bachisanerd's skull and squeezes bachisanerd's brain |
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| 22:10.36 | |phoenyx| | ~phoenyx bachisanerd |
| 22:10.37 | jbot | ACTION explodes in a glorious ball of flame that completely engulfs bachisanerd, then rises, reborn, from the ashes |
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| 22:12.48 | Heartsbane | maquis: I wonder that too |
| 22:13.26 | Heartsbane | you know, it way to humid out there |
| 22:13.43 | Heartsbane | s/it/it is/ |
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| 23:48.22 | steve8track | ~kill me |
| 23:48.23 | jbot | ACTION shoots a inverse anti-graviton gun at steve8track |
| 23:48.42 | Hearts|laptop | hehe |
| 23:48.43 | steve8track | ~laugh at me |
| 23:48.44 | jbot | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! steve8track just cracks me up! |
| 23:49.06 | steve8track | ~fight me |
| 23:49.07 | jbot | ACTION laughs as steve8track reboots lib-uconnect-167.wireless.utah.edu sending steve8track into the aether |
| 23:49.35 | steve8track | hey, it read my ip? |
| 23:49.42 | Hearts|laptop | ya |
| 23:49.57 | steve8track | i didn't know that you could do that in irc |
| 23:50.12 | steve8track | that is bothersome... |
| 23:50.21 | Hearts|laptop | type /whois herlo |
| 23:50.41 | Hearts|laptop | the info is in there |
| 23:50.42 | steve8track | but people can't do that in instant messengers, right? like msn, yahoo, etc? |
| 23:51.18 | Hearts|laptop | not that I am aware of |
| 23:52.03 | steve8track | so it's not like it connected to you to find it out, but it inquired of the irc network for the information as of when I logged in, right? |
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| 23:52.27 | steve8track | sorry, as of when the person who I inquired of logged in... |
| 23:52.34 | steve8track | if that makes sense |
| 23:52.56 | Hearts|laptop | I beleive so |
| 23:53.09 | steve8track | cool |
| 23:53.15 | steve8track | ~compliment steve8track |
| 23:53.16 | jbot | ACTION compliments steve8track for steve8track |
| 23:53.42 | steve8track | pretty smart bot, who made this one? |
| 23:54.00 | Hearts|laptop | I beleive it was Tim Riker |
| 23:54.14 | steve8track | so could I make a bot and add it to the channel if i wanted to? |
| 23:54.36 | steve8track | because I thought only the admin of the channel could do that |
| 23:54.51 | Hearts|laptop | I would clear it with those that have access to OPs because they might just ban it |
| 23:54.59 | Hearts|laptop | Talk to atoponce or Zelut |
| 23:55.15 | peno | my bot would get banned, it has tourette's. |
| 23:55.33 | steve8track | ok, so then that means anyone CAN add a bot, but it will only stay of the OP's don't boot it, right? |
| 23:55.39 | Hearts|laptop | peno: ya but it program'd it with tourette's |
| 23:55.41 | steve8track | ouch |
| 23:55.46 | peno | Hearts|laptop: so |
| 23:56.05 | steve8track | how do you make a bot? what language is used? |
| 23:56.19 | Hearts|laptop | TCL I beleive |
| 23:56.23 | peno | perl/python/tcl are the common ones. |
| 23:59.03 | steve8track | tcl is new to me, I hadn't heard of it. I know python alright, and I've studied perl a little. Even if I made a script, I wouldn't have the slightest clue how to upload it |
| 23:59.49 | steve8track | I'm not saying I want to spam anyone, but it's neat to learn that stuff, even if I don't use it. |