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| 01:02.18 | Zelut | atoponce: ping |
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| 03:04.08 | atoponce | Zelut: pong |
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| 03:22.33 | atoponce | !g scox |
| 03:22.34 | UtahBot | SCOX: (SCO GROUP, INC. (THE) ) = $1.29 -0.13 (-9.15%) Jun 11 4:00pm ET Mkt Cap: 27.39M @ http://finance.google.com/finance?q=SCOX | Sign in @ https://www.google.com/accounts/Login?continue=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=scox&safe=off&btnG=Search&lr=lang_all&hl=en | SCOX: Summary for SCO GRP INC (THE) - @ http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=scox | The SCO Group, Inc. | Scox @ http://www.sco.com/scox/ | SCOX - The SCO |
| 03:22.35 | UtahBot | Group, Inc. At A Glance @ http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/CIAtAGlance.jsp?tkr=scox |
| 03:22.47 | atoponce | over a buck? when did that happen? |
| 03:23.44 | atoponce | probably the microsoft patent fud crap |
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| 05:37.08 | thenetduck | hehe |
| 05:37.26 | thenetduck | who are you guys voting for eh? |
| 05:37.31 | thenetduck | for prez |
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| 13:46.03 | scottymuse | ah, I remember the times of Bush and Dukakis, when nobody cared about elections until the actual year thereof. |
| 13:46.25 | scottymuse | unless I was just too young to note otherwise. |
| 13:58.44 | Hunding | /etc/cron.daily/man-db: |
| 13:58.44 | Hunding | mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/vncconfig.1.gz is a dangling symlink |
| 13:58.55 | Hunding | what is a dangling symlink? |
| 14:00.37 | Zelut | do ls -l /usr/share/man/man1/vncconfig.1.gz |
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| 14:02.17 | Hunding | yes...I did that and I get the path with a pointer to the same path |
| 14:04.31 | Hunding | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 2007-02-24 19:41 /usr/share/man/man1/vncconfig.1.gz -> /etc/alternatives/vncconfig.1.gz |
| 14:05.17 | Zelut | does that file exist on the other end? |
| 14:05.47 | Zelut | I don't think I've seen that error before but I'd guess it points to something that isn't there |
| 14:06.39 | Hunding | yea...the file does not exisit in /etc/alter... path |
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| 14:37.56 | maquis | game is going pretty well, though |
| 14:38.08 | maquis | i play whenever i'm on the bus |
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| 15:07.57 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: hows it going? |
| 15:08.36 | Yorokobi | undertakingyou, I'm well enough, I suppose. Too little sleep but caffiene can take care of that. :) |
| 15:09.37 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: Aww, the beauty of caffeine. I haven't slept well for a week, sounds like I need more caffeine |
| 15:10.26 | undertakingyou | To eat yourself? Yuck! |
| 15:10.34 | Yorokobi | I love pickled beets. |
| 15:10.58 | undertakingyou | lol that is funny, you and my mom and grandma. I guess someone has to though. |
| 15:13.26 | Yorokobi | Is there a decent CD burning package (other than K3b)? |
| 15:13.56 | undertakingyou | have you tried bake? at least I think that is what it is called. |
| 15:14.35 | Yorokobi | bake - yet another Make replacement (python) |
| 15:14.48 | Yorokobi | ah, gnomebaker |
| 15:15.08 | undertakingyou | That's it. Tried that? Whats wrong with k3b? |
| 15:16.05 | Yorokobi | my workstation has one of those crappy Dell-branded SCSI controllers that interfere with the PATA CDR. K3b locks my computer up |
| 15:17.09 | undertakingyou | that sucks. I like K3b a lot. The only complaint I have is that it won't copy copyrighted DVD. |
| 15:17.45 | Yorokobi | Time to see of gnomebaker is going to work ... |
| 15:19.54 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: Was there success? |
| 15:19.59 | Yorokobi | So far |
| 15:23.46 | Yorokobi | ~w00t |
| 15:23.48 | jbot | w00t!!! |
| 15:24.33 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: sounds like it worked. |
| 15:24.45 | Yorokobi | Yup, thanks for the assist, undertakingyou |
| 15:24.52 | undertakingyou | np |
| 15:26.59 | atoponce | http://mashable.com/2007/06/11/rss-toolbox/ |
| 15:32.50 | Hunding | nice...they have Snownews listed :) |
| 15:54.28 | Zelut | for .iso I always use nautilus right-click, write to disk. |
| 15:54.42 | Zelut | ...for audio CD, etc.. actually I never make audio CDs :) |
| 15:58.06 | maquis | i use cdrecord for .iso |
| 15:58.15 | maquis | i don't make audio cds either |
| 15:59.19 | undertakingyou | For ISO's and Audio I use K3b. I like that it gives you an MD5 sum before burning the ISO |
| 15:59.59 | maquis | undertakingyou: isn't k3b slow? |
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| 16:00.27 | undertakingyou | No, I don't think so. I what way do you mean? |
| 16:00.49 | maquis | i recall trying it once... it took a long time to load up the gui and all that |
| 16:01.21 | maquis | and i recall that it required kde... |
| 16:02.11 | maquis | the only other thing i remember about it is that it took me a long time to find everything i needed... |
| 16:02.13 | Zelut | I'm sure it requires kde-libs and other junk like that. |
| 16:02.26 | Zelut | cdrecord is really all you need though :) |
| 16:04.30 | undertakingyou | It does require KDE libs. But that is ok, so does other stuff that I use, like Amarok, oh and KDE. |
| 16:05.43 | maquis | undertakingyou: does k3b (and other kde apps) take less time to load if KDE is running? |
| 16:06.29 | undertakingyou | I run KDE on my laptop and gnome on my desktop. I haven't noticed any difference between the two either way. |
| 16:07.05 | maquis | hmm... |
| 16:07.08 | maquis | ok |
| 16:08.40 | undertakingyou | Recently K3b went to "stable" and I do like that better. It is faster and has more of the features that someone would look for as a Nero replacement. |
| 16:09.32 | maquis | nero? |
| 16:09.57 | undertakingyou | The fairly popular windows burning software. |
| 16:11.40 | Hunding | maquis: heh...you so not a M$ person |
| 16:15.28 | maquis | Hunding: that would be correct... :) |
| 16:17.38 | undertakingyou | Sorry, I thought that would be common knowledge. Needless to say K3b is nice, and I don't think there is any slowdown |
| 16:21.42 | Hunding | undertakingyou: for most people it is...there are those rare people that manage to isolate themselves from the M$...I'm still trying to figure out how to do that myself. |
| 16:22.44 | undertakingyou | I would sure like to. At work though there is an overwhelming evil that I must confront M$ at all times. At home, the only thing I can't get to work is my scanner. Otherwise M$ free. |
| 16:23.01 | Hunding | I suppose sitting here on an XP machine talking through putty is *probably* not helping my endevour |
| 16:24.49 | Hunding | undertakingyou: I am down to one windows machine in my world...and that is only because I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get .NET tools and framework on my linux...*YET* :p |
| 16:25.50 | Hunding | I've bricked my testing laptop twice in attempts to make it work |
| 16:25.58 | [phoenyx] | Hunding: how far along is the mono project in that regard? |
| 16:27.08 | Hunding | [phoenyx]: well they have managed to get the apps to work in linux...but the rest is still up in the air as far as I 'm concerned...as I do have dealines...and I can't afford to mess with it all the time |
| 16:29.15 | undertakingyou | Hunding: Tell me when and where you take it. I need one too. |
| 16:30.09 | Hunding | undertakingyou: well if you find one you keep me posted as well. Self taching is a nice pace, but I *KNOW* there is so much more. |
| 16:30.39 | Hunding | everytime I talk to maquis, she points something new out, and usually makes my life a little more easy |
| 16:30.54 | maquis | Hunding: glad to be able to help :) |
| 16:31.06 | maquis | Hunding: you bricked your laptop? |
| 16:31.11 | undertakingyou | maquis: do I understand that you are up in Seatle? |
| 16:31.15 | Hunding | notice I said 'usually' maquis ;P |
| 16:31.16 | maquis | undertakingyou: yup |
| 16:31.24 | maquis | Hunding: :) |
| 16:31.29 | maquis | undertakingyou: why? |
| 16:32.04 | undertakingyou | I used to live in the Seattle area. More specifically I served an LDS mission there. |
| 16:32.37 | maquis | undertakingyou: Hunding: i use windows on one of my 2 boxes at work... that doesn't mean i know how to do much beyond outlook and putty :) |
| 16:32.42 | maquis | undertakingyou: really? which mission? |
| 16:32.46 | maquis | and how long ago? |
| 16:33.30 | maquis | i've lived here my whole life (aside from the years i was at school in utah) |
| 16:34.14 | undertakingyou | maquis: The Washington Seattle mission, from 2001 to 2003. I served on Vashon Island, in the Renton Stake on the Kent and Renton border, in Burien around 3 tree point, and Orting, near Puyallup . |
| 16:37.29 | maquis | undertakingyou: ah... |
| 16:37.47 | maquis | i live in the everett mission |
| 16:39.09 | undertakingyou | maquis: That's ok, I still love the Great Northwest. redbeard told me that you lived up there at a UTOS meeting. I have wanted to ask you ever since. |
| 16:39.18 | maquis | :) |
| 16:39.27 | maquis | yes... i'm the resident non-resident in utos :) |
| 16:40.16 | undertakingyou | Well that is cool. What school did you go to here in Utah? |
| 16:40.37 | maquis | byu |
| 16:41.44 | undertakingyou | Well, that is too bad. |
| 16:41.50 | undertakingyou | :) I hate BYU |
| 16:42.35 | Yorokobi | oh, don't be a hater, undertakingyou |
| 16:43.34 | undertakingyou | What can I say? :) |
| 16:44.37 | maquis | undertakingyou: why? |
| 16:46.24 | undertakingyou | I blame it on growing up here in Utah. High school was nothing but members that ticked me off when they would smoke pot on Saturday and pass sacrament sunday. Also, my wife works at the U. |
| 16:47.20 | maquis | undertakingyou: that sucks... |
| 16:47.33 | maquis | out here, in my experience, things are different... |
| 16:48.21 | undertakingyou | I really liked how wards were there in Seattle. Here things are different. |
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| 16:54.41 | Utah_Dave | does anyone here know if it's possible to set up an email server without a domain name? |
| 16:54.59 | Yorokobi | Utah_Dave, for local delivery? |
| 16:55.02 | Utah_Dave | And send emails like this; dave@192.168.1.1 |
| 16:55.33 | Utah_Dave | well, between machines on a private network. Not touching the internet, and I can't touch the dns |
| 16:55.34 | maquis | Utah_Dave: sure... although that one's only going to work inside your local network |
| 16:56.01 | maquis | Utah_Dave: as far as the computer's concerned, after it runs off to the dns server to get your ip address, that *is* what your email address looks like more or less |
| 16:56.22 | Utah_Dave | that's what I thought. |
| 16:56.29 | maquis | the computer doesn't care what your hostname is... |
| 16:56.36 | maquis | or what your domain name is |
| 16:56.40 | maquis | it just goes by ip address |
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| 16:57.00 | Utah_Dave | ok, I just wanted to find out if that was possible before I started heading down that road |
| 16:57.16 | Utah_Dave | Google just comes back with domain registration ads and such |
| 16:57.25 | maquis | Utah_Dave: you do need to have a static ip address... |
| 16:57.30 | maquis | otherwise it doesn't work |
| 16:57.36 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I have that |
| 16:57.41 | maquis | adn if it's a 192.168.*.* address, it's internal only |
| 16:57.56 | Utah_Dave | right |
| 16:58.16 | Utah_Dave | ok, cool. I'm going to give it a try. This will be my first crack at setting up email |
| 16:58.41 | Utah_Dave | thanks! |
| 17:00.29 | maquis | Utah_Dave: what are you using? |
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| 17:15.16 | Utah_Dave | I'm not using anything yet. |
| 17:15.22 | Utah_Dave | maquis: do you have any suggestions? |
| 17:15.44 | Yorokobi | Utah_Dave, Postfix |
| 17:15.58 | maquis | Utah_Dave: i use postfix... it's not easy, but it does work (and i haven't encountered anything easier) |
| 17:16.13 | Utah_Dave | ok, cool. I'll give that a try |
| 17:16.20 | Utah_Dave | thanks for the help. |
| 17:16.52 | Yorokobi | postfix.org has links to several |
| 17:34.03 | Hunding | y is it that "smoking pot" is considered so awful, and drinking booze is considered "normal"...how many lives/familes have been ruined over pot?? |
| 17:34.34 | Hunding | probaly not the place for this...sorry. |
| 17:34.45 | undertakingyou | I agree, I think that both are bad. I was just using an example. |
| 17:36.21 | Hunding | before you jump on the bandwagon of horrible pot heads...do a little research into it...the US gov't is the ones that have been jamming this propoganda of how bad pot is... |
| 17:37.11 | maquis | Hunding: i've seen what pot did to some kids at my hs |
| 17:37.21 | maquis | personally, i think it's all bad |
| 17:37.25 | maquis | but that's just me |
| 17:38.40 | undertakingyou | My brother used a lot of pot, my uncle too. I think I have my own opinions about the evils. Although the US government does do a lot to push pot forward. |
| 17:40.23 | Hunding | HEMP is one of the greatest known natural materials on earth... |
| 17:40.23 | Hunding | it can be used for anything!! Paper, building materials, medicine, the list goes on and on |
| 17:40.25 | maquis | bracelets... |
| 17:40.39 | Hunding | and is by far the fastest renewable resource we have in that cailber |
| 17:41.26 | Hunding | however... because the gov't gave up control in the 30's and have not figured out how to tax the hell out of us with it...it is BAD |
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| 17:43.18 | Hunding | but ya'll realize that pot is NOT illeagle in the state of Utah |
| 17:44.03 | Yorokobi | It doesn't need to be. Federal laws take care of making it illegal. |
| 17:44.09 | Hunding | you just need to get tax stamp... :) good luck with that |
| 17:44.20 | undertakingyou | That's all well and good, doesn't change the fact that my brothers life was very messed up do to pot use. |
| 17:45.19 | Hunding | undertakingyou: I would not dare question you about your brother, but I would almost doubt that your brother's issues can be blmed on the pot and not attributed to some underlying cause |
| 17:45.33 | undertakingyou | This is a sad discussion none the less. We could substitute anything in my previous statement. My complaint is the fakeness, the I am so righteous and yet I do these things that I say are wrong. |
| 17:46.02 | undertakingyou | Hunding: I don't mean to be defensive, I know there is no harm in our discussion. and I take no offense |
| 17:47.52 | Hunding | :) |
| 17:48.00 | herlo | Zelut: ping |
| 17:48.14 | Hunding | how is Ireland today herlo?\ |
| 17:48.31 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: I like that room, you MCing it? |
| 17:48.58 | herlo | Hunding: good, just getting ready to go eat something yummy and have a few beeeeeeeers |
| 17:49.13 | herlo | Hunding: although, I might wait til Friday night to have most of my beers... |
| 17:49.25 | Hunding | I am so envious herlo :) |
| 17:49.26 | Yorokobi | undertakingyou, that was a subtle-yet-ineffective way of indicating things here were a bit off topic. I find it more polite than jbot's off topic rejoinder |
| 17:49.48 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: they were, sorry, it was my fault. |
| 17:50.29 | Hunding | I am sorry...somethings just get me going. |
| 17:50.49 | Yorokobi | heh, sarcasm begets apologies. I like that. :) |
| 17:52.38 | herlo | Hunding: I have a long weekend of drinking and sightseeing ahead of me |
| 17:52.44 | herlo | of course, not together |
| 17:52.46 | herlo | :) |
| 17:52.54 | Hunding | shut it already herlo :P |
| 17:53.03 | herlo | Hunding: ROFL |
| 18:11.20 | Hunding | Utah_Dave: if you find a good howto with postfix and ubuntu can you let me know where you found it? |
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| 18:16.14 | Yorokobi | Howtoforge has one for Debian (etch) but it suggests MySQL and Courier-IMAP. |
| 18:16.20 | opapo | Firefox crashes with no stack trace |
| 18:16.37 | opapo | I followed the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs?action=show&redirect=DebuggingFirefox |
| 18:17.50 | opapo | when I do "bt full" |
| 18:18.14 | opapo | Like it says, I get "No stack." |
| 18:18.51 | opapo | After the crash it says "Program exited with code 01." |
| 18:34.44 | Zelut | herlo: pong |
| 18:37.08 | Zelut | I just realized you can ssh tunnel vnc within vnc. |
| 18:41.30 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 18:41.35 | maquis | gdb |
| 18:41.42 | maquis | opapo: gdb, + break on exit |
| 18:43.42 | opapo | "+ break on exit" I don't understand |
| 18:44.07 | maquis | opapo: i think it's _exit |
| 18:44.15 | maquis | but you want to break whenever it tries to exit |
| 18:44.26 | opapo | how |
| 18:44.37 | maquis | i think you can do 'break _exit' and 'break __throw', and that'll cause it to break on exits and exceptions |
| 18:44.50 | maquis | opapo: you ever used gdb before? |
| 18:44.51 | opapo | I can show you the output of "firefox -g 2>&1 | tee ~/Desktop/gdb-firefox.log" |
| 18:45.16 | opapo | I followed the instructions on "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs?action=show&redirect=DebuggingFirefox" |
| 18:45.23 | opapo | There is a section on Crashes |
| 18:45.25 | maquis | opapo: pastebin for that output |
| 18:46.55 | opapo | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25272/ |
| 18:47.46 | maquis | opapo: they're doing rather different stuff from what i'm suggesting... i don't know if maybe this will take way too long (firefox is large), but you could try running firefox-dbg inside of gdb, break when it tries to exit, and then get a backtrace of where it is when it exits |
| 18:48.13 | opapo | ok |
| 18:51.49 | opapo | how do you run firefox-dbg? |
| 18:51.58 | opapo | I have it installed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25274/ |
| 18:52.05 | opapo | but I can't run it |
| 18:52.11 | maquis | opapo: why not? |
| 18:52.12 | herlo | Zelut: pong |
| 18:52.48 | maquis | opapo: ah... looks like what you want is firefox -g |
| 18:52.55 | maquis | that makes it use firefox-dbg instead of firefox |
| 18:53.02 | opapo | ok |
| 18:53.05 | maquis | sorry... i didn't read the wiki page carefully enough |
| 18:53.42 | opapo | I use "firefox -g 2>&1 | tee ~/Desktop/gdb-firefox.log" |
| 18:54.06 | opapo | just like they say and there is no stack trace. |
| 18:54.49 | opapo | I did see a bug for |
| 18:55.02 | opapo | libflash-mozplugin |
| 18:55.20 | opapo | which I have installed, but I don't know if that is what is causing the crash |
| 18:55.32 | opapo | I am going to www.imdb.com when it crashes |
| 18:55.33 | maquis | opapo: file `which firefox` |
| 18:56.08 | maquis | opapo: if there isn't a stacktrace, it's probably exiting prematurely instead of really crashing |
| 18:56.30 | maquis | running it inside of gdb would let you debug a premature exit... |
| 18:57.16 | herlo | opapo: you can also use strace -p `pidof firefox` |
| 18:57.27 | nurn | you guys want to see something awesome? |
| 18:57.30 | nurn | http://burnthegreat.net/article/20/server-fun |
| 18:57.34 | herlo | opapo: or use |
| 18:57.41 | herlo | opapo: strace firefox |
| 18:59.56 | herlo | opapo: you can also try firefox -safemode |
| 19:00.12 | opapo | This is what I get in gdb that doesn't show up in the file |
| 19:00.13 | opapo | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25278/ |
| 19:00.42 | herlo | I find that sometimes when a particular site makes ff crash, I run ff in safemode and close that site and restart |
| 19:02.40 | opapo | This is what happens when I start ff in safemode: |
| 19:02.42 | opapo | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25279/ |
| 19:03.58 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.58 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.58 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.58 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.59 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.07 | maquis | that sounds useful |
| 19:04.26 | opapo | I will try --sync again, but last time I got the same error |
| 19:04.41 | maquis | opapo: it will give you the same error if you run --sync normally |
| 19:05.03 | maquis | but if you use --sync inside of gdb, and break where they tell you to, it should give you some useful information |
| 19:06.12 | maquis | herlo: what would you do? |
| 19:06.24 | maquis | perhaps i'm going the overkill road... |
| 19:06.28 | herlo | maquis: I stated it above |
| 19:06.30 | Zelut | herlo: just heard I'm going to cork in two weeks. |
| 19:06.33 | maquis | strace/ |
| 19:06.34 | maquis | ? |
| 19:06.43 | maquis | that's a reasonable thing to try too |
| 19:06.44 | herlo | maquis: or letrace |
| 19:06.50 | herlo | Zelut: are you excited |
| 19:06.56 | maquis | i generally haven't gotten much information from strace in the past... |
| 19:07.05 | herlo | maquis: s/le/l/g |
| 19:07.10 | opapo | Herlo: I can pastebin the 9999 pages of strace if you want |
| 19:07.17 | maquis | opapo: you could try strace and ltrace with the --sync option |
| 19:07.21 | Zelut | herlo: sounds tiring after three weeks already on the road :) |
| 19:07.27 | maquis | opapo: you'd want to primarily look at the last bit |
| 19:07.38 | maquis | probably the last page would be the only part that'd be useful.... |
| 19:07.50 | Zelut | brb |
| 19:07.52 | herlo | opapo: I just need the last bits |
| 19:08.18 | opapo | there is mention of loading an swf |
| 19:08.22 | herlo | its probably a library call so use ltrace |
| 19:08.54 | herlo | opapo: yeah, that's probably causing it. did you try -safemode yet? |
| 19:09.33 | opapo | I tried firefox -safemode |
| 19:09.36 | opapo | same thing |
| 19:09.50 | herlo | Zelut: just wanted to give you a heads up on Ireland... |
| 19:10.51 | herlo | opapo: I had it wrong. Its firefox -safe-mode |
| 19:11.21 | opapo | there is a window that pops up |
| 19:11.40 | undertakingyou | opapo: one day Firefox acted up on me. I saved the contents of .mozilla/firefox and then removed and reinstalled. Maybe you will have to do that. |
| 19:11.46 | herlo | opapo: with -safe-mode ? |
| 19:11.58 | opapo | herlo: yes |
| 19:12.06 | opapo | it is for firefox safe mode |
| 19:12.12 | herlo | opapo: does it pop up and then go away? |
| 19:12.14 | herlo | \ |
| 19:12.36 | opapo | I can disable certain settings |
| 19:12.57 | opapo | should I continue without disabling anything? |
| 19:13.00 | herlo | opapo: disable everything |
| 19:13.30 | herlo | opapo: sorry, in ireland and my net access is a bit slow |
| 19:14.18 | opapo | I disabled all that i could and it closed out and produced the same BadImplementation error |
| 19:14.41 | opapo | I can't do "ltrace firefox" |
| 19:14.52 | herlo | opapo: I'd suggest something similar to what undertakingyou made |
| 19:15.08 | herlo | except, don't uninstall and reinstall |
| 19:15.33 | herlo | just move the .mozilla directory off and restart ff |
| 19:15.35 | opapo | so just save contents of .mozilla/firefox? |
| 19:16.11 | herlo | move it somewhere |
| 19:16.36 | herlo | just not where it is |
| 19:17.32 | opapo | will: mv /home/daniel/.mozilla /home/daniel/.mozilla~ |
| 19:17.34 | maquis | undertakingyou: another thing that works sometimes is moving .mozilla to .mozilla-old, and restarting firefox |
| 19:17.41 | herlo | see if it starts up. If it does, its a config problem |
| 19:18.04 | herlo | opapo: yeah, should work |
| 19:18.06 | maquis | then got distracted |
| 19:18.44 | opapo | I still get the badImplementation error |
| 19:18.56 | maquis | opapo: ok... did the ltrace tell you anything? |
| 19:18.57 | herlo | maquis: are you saying you didn't read what I wrote? |
| 19:19.11 | maquis | herlo: i read what you wrote after i'd already written my stuff |
| 19:19.22 | herlo | haha |
| 19:19.33 | opapo | ltrace firefox doesn't work for me |
| 19:19.34 | herlo | opapo: give up |
| 19:19.37 | maquis | i wrote my stuff first, then had to answer some questions for my pet intern, then came back and hit enter |
| 19:19.40 | maquis | and then read |
| 19:19.41 | herlo | :-D |
| 19:20.02 | herlo | opapo: haha, j/k |
| 19:20.03 | maquis | opapo: are you a dev? |
| 19:20.10 | opapo | dev? |
| 19:20.17 | maquis | developer |
| 19:20.25 | opapo | in what sence |
| 19:20.26 | herlo | opapo: is this a very new version of ff or something? |
| 19:20.37 | herlo | sense doesn't have a c! |
| 19:20.38 | herlo | :) |
| 19:20.45 | maquis | if not, you might be best just throwing your hands up and cutting a bug report or something.... |
| 19:20.52 | maquis | opapo: software developer |
| 19:20.52 | opapo | herlo: thanks |
| 19:20.58 | maquis | programmer |
| 19:20.59 | maquis | etc |
| 19:21.06 | opapo | Herlo: I pick on people for the same thing |
| 19:21.09 | Yorokobi | herlo, cents has a c :) |
| 19:21.43 | herlo | Yorokobi: you are correct! |
| 19:21.50 | maquis | opapo: if you're a programmer, there's directions you could go from here, but if you're not a programmer, it'd probably end up being a ton of work for very little gain |
| 19:21.58 | Yorokobi | hooray for homonyms! |
| 19:22.03 | opapo | Maquis: I am a php programmer and I know bash |
| 19:22.17 | maquis | opapo: that might not help a lot here, i'm afraid |
| 19:22.18 | maquis | :) |
| 19:22.18 | herlo | ~brownie Yorokobi |
| 19:22.26 | Yorokobi | scary |
| 19:22.34 | opapo | maquis: what do I need to know? |
| 19:22.51 | herlo | opapo: reinstall ff |
| 19:22.51 | maquis | opapo: my guess is that this is c++... |
| 19:23.03 | opapo | I will reinstall ff |
| 19:23.26 | maquis | you don't actually need to know c++, but if you've done any programming in c/c++/java/etc, you could probably get a bit of info... |
| 19:23.29 | maquis | but yeah.. |
| 19:23.33 | maquis | reinstalling is the easier solution |
| 19:23.54 | herlo | opapo: what version are you trying to install? I s it brand new or something? |
| 19:24.26 | opapo | "sudo aptitude reinstall firefox" did not help |
| 19:24.42 | opapo | Setting up firefox (2.0.0.4+1-0ubuntu1) ... |
| 19:24.56 | herlo | opapo: uninstall |
| 19:25.02 | herlo | opapo: give up for a night |
| 19:25.11 | herlo | opapo: try again 10 minutes later |
| 19:25.22 | Hunding | herlo: it is still early afternoon here |
| 19:25.27 | herlo | opapo: smack herlo around and make it work anyway |
| 19:25.32 | herlo | Hunding: yeah, yeah |
| 19:26.09 | herlo | Hunding: I am hurt |
| 19:26.24 | herlo | opapo: but seriously, you need to uninstall |
| 19:26.30 | Hunding | don't ya just love sarcasim herlo? |
| 19:26.32 | herlo | opapo: then check the directories |
| 19:26.40 | herlo | where ff might be found |
| 19:26.50 | herlo | Hunding: for sure, otherwise I wouldn't be so well liked ! :) |
| 19:27.13 | herlo | opapo: then reinstall ff |
| 19:27.26 | Yorokobi | opapo, sudo dpkg --purge firefox |
| 19:27.27 | herlo | opapo: it seems odd that you'd be the only one with this particular problem |
| 19:28.01 | herlo | Yorokobi: tx, I had no ideas... |
| 19:29.29 | maquis | opapo: a lot of times "reinstall" doesn't actually do the full remove and install process |
| 19:29.37 | opapo | this scares me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25283/ |
| 19:30.03 | opapo | I don't want to remove gnome |
| 19:30.22 | opapo | maybe I am ignorant in this matter |
| 19:30.25 | maquis | heh... |
| 19:30.34 | maquis | so *that*s how you get ubuntu to remove gnome |
| 19:30.43 | Hunding | opapo: that is a real good idea...get rid of gnome...it sucks anyway...get KDE ;) |
| 19:30.57 | maquis | just get rid of both of them :) |
| 19:31.33 | opapo | Hunding: I tried Kubuntu, but the support wasn't what I wanted |
| 19:31.58 | opapo | maquis: what do you use to run ff |
| 19:32.28 | Hunding | KDE is so well done there is no need for support... |
| 19:32.31 | maquis | opapo: to run ff? |
| 19:32.35 | maquis | what do you mean? |
| 19:32.35 | Hunding | just kidding opapo |
| 19:32.49 | opapo | Hunding: funny |
| 19:32.53 | Hunding | opapo: don't ask maquis...she is out there |
| 19:33.12 | opapo | maquis: do you use lynx? |
| 19:33.20 | maquis | opapo: no... i use firefox |
| 19:33.24 | Hunding | opapo: maquis will send you over to the dark side of window managers |
| 19:33.25 | maquis | i just don't use gnome/kde |
| 19:33.40 | opapo | maquis: what do you use? |
| 19:33.59 | maquis | opapo: it's called evilwm |
| 19:34.05 | [phoenyx] | dun dun dun |
| 19:34.11 | opapo | now I understand |
| 19:34.19 | maquis | if you aren't used to doing things from the command-line, it will push you into that... |
| 19:34.26 | maquis | there are no icons, toolbars, menus, etc. |
| 19:34.54 | opapo | maquis: I like the gnome/kde way of doing things |
| 19:34.57 | Hunding | decorations, eye candy, or anything else that is more than a window manager |
| 19:35.20 | maquis | Hunding: exactly |
| 19:35.57 | opapo | can we get back my problem. |
| 19:36.16 | opapo | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25283/ will it uninstall gnome if I continue with this? |
| 19:36.37 | opapo | sorry to be self centered |
| 19:36.58 | Hunding | only if your lucky opapo |
| 19:37.07 | opapo | NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:37.33 | Yorokobi | Looks like opapo is making the switch to KDE |
| 19:37.45 | undertakingyou | maquis: how do you install evilwm in ubuntu? |
| 19:37.52 | opapo | misspoke |
| 19:37.54 | opapo | sorry |
| 19:37.59 | [phoenyx] | she doesn't use ubuntu! |
| 19:38.16 | undertakingyou | my bad |
| 19:38.19 | maquis | undertakingyou: it might be in apt... if not, you can download the source and install it that way (that's what i usually do) |
| 19:38.22 | Hunding | she does not use ubuntu she does not live in Utah... |
| 19:38.28 | maquis | Hunding: exactly |
| 19:38.39 | [phoenyx] | she isn't even a guy! |
| 19:38.43 | Hunding | undertakingyou: it is NOT in sudo aptitude install menu |
| 19:39.04 | maquis | undertakingyou: i have used ubuntu in the past, and i generally just downloaded the source and did a ./configure; make; sudo make install |
| 19:39.04 | Hunding | maquis: just what the heck are you doing here anyway?? |
| 19:39.11 | maquis | Hunding: i like answering questions :) |
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| 19:40.08 | undertakingyou | maquis: thanks. I like playing with the different WM's. I have KDE, GNOME, and Xfce here on the laptop. Those are easy to install though |
| 19:40.10 | Hunding | undertakingyou: but it does compile easy enough... |
| 19:40.19 | maquis | undertakingyou: np |
| 19:40.29 | opapo | how do I uninstall/remove just firefox? |
| 19:40.34 | maquis | it's pretty cool, but it's much harder to use than kde, gnome and xfce |
| 19:40.39 | undertakingyou | op |
| 19:40.40 | herlo | ~lart Hunding for suggesting that GNOME sucks |
| 19:40.40 | jbot | puts Hunding into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Hunding's hair of for suggesting that GNOME sucks |
| 19:40.51 | undertakingyou | opapo: sudo apt-get remove firefox |
| 19:41.03 | maquis | ~lart herlo for suggesting that gnome does not suck |
| 19:41.03 | jbot | eats herlo's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti for suggesting that gnome does not suck |
| 19:41.14 | opapo | undertakingyou: that will remove gnome |
| 19:41.20 | Hunding | herlo: sucks?? That is way too nice to describe that junk known as gnome |
| 19:41.23 | undertakingyou | it says that, but it won't |
| 19:41.23 | herlo | ~herlo maquis for being a girl geek |
| 19:41.24 | jbot | ACTION pokes maquis for being a girl geek in the eye with a sharp needle |
| 19:41.26 | maquis | opapo: even if you don't ahve the --purge? |
| 19:41.29 | undertakingyou | I hav done it before |
| 19:41.44 | maquis | herlo: lol |
| 19:41.55 | herlo | opapo: say goodbye to gnome! |
| 19:42.01 | herlo | opapo: and then reinstall it |
| 19:42.10 | herlo | opapo: and say hello to gnome again! |
| 19:42.13 | opapo | you guys make me nervous |
| 19:42.17 | herlo | and welcome it back with milk and cookies |
| 19:42.29 | opapo | herlo: :) |
| 19:42.32 | herlo | opapo: this is a community forum, we don't know everything... |
| 19:42.39 | herlo | :-P |
| 19:42.43 | Hunding | throw it out, and leave it there...destined to go to the software heaven sooner rather than later anyway |
| 19:42.52 | herlo | maquis: I've not had anything to drink (save water) all day |
| 19:42.59 | maquis | herlo: sure... |
| 19:43.03 | herlo | maquis: lots of sugar however |
| 19:44.38 | maquis | yeah... that's what they all say... |
| 19:45.12 | herlo | http://beta.zooomr.com/photos/herlo/ |
| 19:45.18 | maquis | opapo: sorry we're not much more helpful... |
| 19:45.43 | undertakingyou | opapo: Really, what is says that it will uninstall is the ubuntu-desktop. But everything works fine after, and then you can just do a sudo apt-get install firefox (and if you'd like) ubuntu-desktop |
| 19:45.46 | opapo | I just hope I can get things back to the way they were without the bugs |
| 19:46.32 | opapo | I did sudo aptitude install firefox and it removed a lot of stuff |
| 19:46.47 | herlo | opapo: that never happens |
| 19:46.49 | opapo | I guess I will have to find out what I missed one by one |
| 19:46.57 | opapo | Herlo: funny |
| 19:47.16 | herlo | opapo: you love it |
| 19:47.26 | herlo | => |
| 19:47.45 | opapo | I can't believe it |
| 19:47.59 | opapo | it crashed again |
| 19:48.18 | Hunding | opapo: what that life is better without gnome...believe it...it is true! |
| 19:48.21 | maquis | opapo: did you completely move your .mozilla directory out of the way? |
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| 19:49.18 | opapo | maquis: I did mv /home/daniel/.mozilla /home/daniel/.mozilla~ |
| 19:49.52 | herlo | Of course, if I do that I won't be able to protect opapo from you |
| 19:50.26 | opapo | herlo: You're my hero. |
| 19:50.33 | Hunding | heh |
| 19:50.43 | herlo | opapo: Super Herlo! |
| 19:50.52 | Hunding | opapo: almost as sarcastic is herlo...that is good, you'll fit right in |
| 19:50.54 | opapo | Up up and away |
| 19:52.11 | opapo | If I create a bug report for mozilla/ubuntu what can I use as a stack trace? |
| 19:53.59 | herlo | opapo: smoke and mirrors? |
| 19:54.02 | opapo | Am I the only one with the cloud over my head? |
| 19:54.29 | opapo | herlo: I don't smoke mirrors |
| 19:54.48 | herlo | opapo: its not mirrors that you're supposed to smoke... |
| 19:54.52 | Hunding | oh no...not another smoking discussion... |
| 19:55.29 | herlo | Hunding: its meat you're supposed to smoke |
| 19:55.37 | opapo | lol |
| 19:55.50 | opapo | speaking of smoking meat |
| 19:55.54 | Hunding | yea...that is what I was thinking as well herlo |
| 19:56.05 | opapo | are you guys going to the bbq on saturday? |
| 19:56.18 | herlo | Hunding: yea ye shall need thee spelling bible |
| 19:56.19 | Hunding | bbq???? I'm there!!! |
| 19:56.37 | opapo | Hunding: did you not know about it? |
| 19:56.49 | herlo | Hunding: opapo: I'll be in Ireland drinking lots of beer |
| 19:57.09 | opapo | http://plug.org/ for details |
| 19:57.24 | opapo | herlo: sorry to hear that |
| 19:57.49 | herlo | Hunding: go enjoy the bbq, because I do want to go to it but I'd take Ireland (because its a one time deal) |
| 19:58.17 | opapo | herlo: what are you there for? |
| 19:58.18 | Zelut | Yes, everyone should go to the plug BBQ on saturday. |
| 19:58.21 | Hunding | oh...I don't live in provo...I'm in South Jordan |
| 19:58.34 | herlo | Hunding: its only a 30 minute drive... |
| 19:58.44 | opapo | Hunding: we'll forgive you for that |
| 19:58.47 | herlo | and you'll meet most of Utah's Open Source community |
| 19:59.02 | Hunding | I know where bagater highway and I-15 are...anything else...I get lost |
| 19:59.15 | herlo | Hunding: maps.google.com |
| 19:59.17 | opapo | herlo: is there an irc for UOSC |
| 19:59.20 | Hunding | bangader? I don't know...the one that runs next to my house |
| 19:59.52 | herlo | Bangerter, you people really need to work on your speling |
| 20:00.41 | herlo | Zelut: you'll like Ireland when you come. The hotel is absolutely awesome |
| 20:00.55 | herlo | Flat panels in your room |
| 20:01.26 | herlo | Driving around is a bit scary, but I can help you find your way |
| 20:01.30 | herlo | opapo: apply to GL |
| 20:01.33 | Zelut | herlo: cool. I had a huge flat panel HD in my "you're screwed" hotel in cincinnati. |
| 20:01.47 | herlo | you'll be sent to Ireland |
| 20:01.55 | herlo | Zelut: the views are amazing |
| 20:01.56 | opapo | herlo: I'm not cool enough to work there. |
| 20:02.50 | herlo | Zelut: also, I wanted to tell you that the staff here will pretty much do anything you ask. I made them make it an isolated network Monday morning |
| 20:03.10 | herlo | I still want two nics, but probably won't get them |
| 20:03.39 | herlo | opapo: not true, you might not be experienced enough, but cool enough? Remeber we're all just a bunch of geeks... |
| 20:03.56 | opapo | lol |
| 20:04.05 | opapo | That makes me feel better |
| 20:04.19 | Zelut | nobody at GL is 'cool' :) |
| 20:04.24 | Zelut | we're all nerds |
| 20:04.25 | herlo | opapo: You might also be experienced enough, I don't know for sure |
| 20:04.56 | Zelut | herlo: cool. that makes me feel better.. I just need to make sure I can get my passport updated. |
| 20:04.58 | herlo | opapo: from what I know, you seem to have enough skills |
| 20:05.09 | opapo | herlo: do you need more than a years experience? |
| 20:05.26 | herlo | Zelut: make GL pay for it to go express |
| 20:05.37 | herlo | opapo: depends on how you feel about your skillz |
| 20:06.27 | opapo | So it doesn't matter that I have only been working with linux for a year or two? |
| 20:06.29 | herlo | opapo: if you feel confident enough to apply, just tell them I sent you |
| 20:06.35 | herlo | :) |
| 20:06.39 | opapo | :) |
| 20:06.45 | Zelut | no tell them *i* sent you ;) |
| 20:06.57 | Yorokobi | heh, referral bonus? |
| 20:06.57 | Zelut | hehe |
| 20:07.08 | herlo | ~lart Zelut for trying to steal my referral |
| 20:07.08 | jbot | strangles Zelut with a doohicky mouse cord for trying to steal my referral |
| 20:07.17 | Zelut | herlo: I'll need to find out what I need to get the passport.. and it won't help that I'm not home more than two days to get it done. |
| 20:07.22 | herlo | a doohicky mouse cord? |
| 20:07.23 | Hunding | guess there is a referal bonus within GL huh? |
| 20:07.25 | Zelut | doohicky. nice |
| 20:07.44 | herlo | opapo: we'll split it |
| 20:07.49 | opapo | ok |
| 20:07.51 | herlo | 70/30 my way |
| 20:07.53 | opapo | I can deal with that |
| 20:08.00 | opapo | you decide how |
| 20:08.22 | opapo | of course I would need to get hired first |
| 20:08.34 | herlo | opapo: you won't get hired if you don't apply |
| 20:09.34 | opapo | Let me talk to my wife |
| 20:09.48 | opapo | She really likes me working for the district |
| 20:09.59 | herlo | opapo: you do what you want, I really don't want you to rush into anything (seriously) |
| 20:10.10 | herlo | but if you are interested, we'd love to have you |
| 20:10.28 | opapo | I'm honored to know you would love to have me |
| 20:10.44 | opapo | I don't really feel confident yet to apply |
| 20:11.01 | herlo | opapo: we like you, but its not up to us (Zelut and me) |
| 20:11.21 | opapo | thanks |
| 20:11.38 | opapo | now back to my work |
| 20:11.43 | herlo | ciao |
| 20:11.57 | opapo | adios |
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| 20:40.42 | herlo | http://beta.zooomr.com/photos/herlo/ |
| 20:44.48 | maquis | ~beat herlo |
| 20:44.50 | jbot | ACTION beats herlo with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 20:45.09 | herlo | maquis: what? |
| 20:45.23 | herlo | did you see the space shuttle launch pics a couple pages back? |
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| 20:56.53 | opapo | FYI It's fixed |
| 20:57.36 | opapo | I uninstalled libflash-mozplugin and installed the nonfree one and it worked |
| 20:57.44 | opapo | imdb.com works for me now |
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| 21:34.44 | herlo | opapo: makes sense. I know that ff doesn't just crash with a stable set |
| 21:34.50 | herlo | opapo: glad to hear its working |
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