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| 00:15.25 | Dapper606 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.49 | atoponce | geek |
| 00:16.21 | Kuyaedz | !geek |
| 00:16.26 | atoponce | !joke |
| 00:16.31 | atoponce | i think that is the command |
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| 00:16.46 | atoponce | !josk |
| 00:16.49 | atoponce | !joke |
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| 00:24.21 | atoponce | !joke |
| 00:24.29 | atoponce | !joke #ubuntu-utah |
| 00:24.49 | Dapper606 | You might be a geek if you talk to your computer the way most people talk to their significant other. |
| 00:25.07 | atoponce | i had to get that from the telnet session |
| 00:25.19 | atoponce | so something still isn't right with the script |
| 00:25.31 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [+o Dapper606] by atoponce |
| 00:25.34 | atoponce | !joke |
| 00:25.50 | atoponce | !jokes |
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| 01:44.55 | encryptz | comcast is really beginning to piss me off today |
| 01:45.15 | encryptz | this is like the 3rd time today that they have dropped my home connection |
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| 01:46.09 | encryptz | oooh. looks like they brought it back up |
| 01:46.16 | encryptz | wonder how long it will last this time |
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| 02:45.55 | Kuyaedz | Dapper606: you're still a moron |
| 02:46.12 | Dapper606 | Kuyaedz: That's not a very positive term. How about you use "proton" instead? |
| 04:06.08 | Kuyaedz | anybody home? |
| 04:40.21 | Kuyaedz | quite evening around here |
| 04:40.23 | atoponce | here now |
| 04:40.27 | Kuyaedz | ~lart Dapper606 |
| 04:40.42 | atoponce | ~mart Dapper606 |
| 04:40.44 | jbot | ACTION dumps a cherry Kwikie Mart Squishee on Dapper606's head |
| 04:41.21 | Kuyaedz | ~slashdot |
| 04:42.36 | atoponce | !scorpio |
| 04:42.37 | Dapper606 | Scorpio: There's no happier feeling than finding out the person you're attracted to is equally as enamored of you. For right now, keep this information to yourself. Things are at a delicate stage. You don't want to talk them to death. |
| 04:42.47 | Kuyaedz | !libra |
| 04:42.48 | Dapper606 | Libra: It's easy to take old and seemingly solid relationships for granted, but the stars are telling you it's time to put a friendship first. A little maintenance now will make all the difference in the long run. Pick up the phone. |
| 04:44.56 | atoponce | i like the groklaw headlines about SCO trying to get UNIX devs back |
| 04:46.05 | Kuyaedz | Yeah I saw that on /. a few days ago. Offering a car & cash |
| 04:46.22 | Kuyaedz | I really wonder what desperate sellouts still work there or are considering going back |
| 04:46.49 | Kuyaedz | I live about 4 blocks from their office.. /me is sad for himself. |
| 04:46.59 | atoponce | i think they may finally be realizing that they are stuck and not going anywhere |
| 04:47.21 | Kuyaedz | BillyG keeps giving them money.. they'll die when he stops |
| 04:47.50 | atoponce | 2 more years... |
| 04:48.21 | Kuyaedz | Ballmer really needs to leave. He's been stifling innovation & progress for far too long. |
| 04:48.34 | Kuyaedz | ...I mean, not that I want to see some value come out of M$ or anything |
| 04:49.06 | atoponce | robert x cringley nailed it on the head when he predicted that Bill would leave and Vista will be the last desktop release |
| 04:49.49 | atoponce | which put them into the position of what to develop for. you can only support the os for so long |
| 04:50.05 | atoponce | linux, maybe? |
| 04:50.10 | atoponce | mac? |
| 04:50.20 | Kuyaedz | OSX, Linux & GoogleOS? |
| 04:50.28 | Kuyaedz | web-based googleOS? |
| 04:50.42 | atoponce | they have already admitted that they run linux servers |
| 04:50.57 | Kuyaedz | the Mac marketing drive right now is great. Gotta love it :) |
| 04:50.59 | atoponce | google should have an os out by now |
| 04:51.32 | atoponce | yeah, but market share is down 50% for desktops from 5 years ago |
| 04:52.01 | Kuyaedz | what does that mean? more notebooks? less PCs being bought? |
| 04:52.40 | atoponce | not sure, but they used to have roughly 5%, now it is under 3% |
| 04:52.53 | atoponce | the ipod on the other hand... |
| 04:53.01 | Kuyaedz | ohh, 3% of the market for mac? |
| 04:53.20 | atoponce | yeah |
| 04:53.21 | Kuyaedz | last I read it was Linux & Mac tied at about 3%, M$ with the rest. |
| 04:53.42 | atoponce | i thought linux was pushing 6% |
| 04:54.17 | Kuyaedz | hey I hope so. I wonder if we can find updated stats. It is hard to measure *nix though |
| 04:54.25 | atoponce | yeah |
| 04:54.31 | Kuyaedz | they could measure by # of downloads but my 1 download installs x machines.. |
| 04:54.39 | atoponce | idc would have the most recent |
| 04:55.01 | atoponce | i think they measure web traffic |
| 04:55.40 | Kuyaedz | http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp |
| 04:56.11 | Kuyaedz | according to that Linux has grown from 2.2% in 2003 to 4.4% in 2006 |
| 04:56.21 | atoponce | that will be skewed though, because most people who visit w3 are techie |
| 04:56.33 | Kuyaedz | still huge numbers for xp/ie |
| 04:56.39 | atoponce | but i guess it does show growth |
| 04:56.41 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:00.27 | Kuyaedz | http://www.suseblog.com/?p=126 |
| 05:00.39 | Kuyaedz | I posted some reasons why he should use Ubuntu. Did I miss anything? |
| 05:03.41 | atoponce | i think you covered it, but i'll back you up |
| 05:04.15 | Kuyaedz | at this point it really seems to me that if you're going to try Debian you may as well just use Ubuntu |
| 05:12.43 | Kuyaedz | hey what does it entail to upgrade to the latest stable kernel? |
| 05:13.36 | atoponce | not sure. probably just in synaptic |
| 05:13.53 | Kuyaedz | err I mean the latest kernel release, not the .deb/Ubuntu kernel |
| 05:14.36 | Kuyaedz | I guess it isn't a big upgrade from 2.6.15 to 2.5.17.1.. I just haven't ever done much kernel work and was curious |
| 05:14.54 | atoponce | you would need the sources, then compile it yourself |
| 05:15.11 | atoponce | it's a pain, and i don't recommend it |
| 05:15.40 | Kuyaedz | I have never even done a custom kernel since using Slackware years ago |
| 05:18.00 | atoponce | i did it with suse, because i wanted vanilla, and not something horribly hacked. after losing everything a couple times, i got it, but hated every minute of it |
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| 05:18.55 | Kuyaedz-FC5 | weird |
| 05:18.55 | Kuyaedz | so basically too much work for too little results is what you're saying? |
| 05:20.50 | atoponce | yup |
| 05:21.19 | Kuyaedz | at least we're using the 686 kernel <winkwink> |
| 05:22.01 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:22.51 | Kuyaedz | so I think we should start planning an install fest. Thing its best to do at a university? |
| 05:23.17 | atoponce | most likely. that is where we held all of ours |
| 05:24.25 | atoponce | the network is the big thing |
| 05:24.49 | Kuyaedz | Yeah.. |
| 05:25.20 | Kuyaedz | The problem I keep coming up with is central location. Since we're all so spread out it makes things hard. |
| 05:25.33 | Kuyaedz | It'd be tough to market it down here & then tell people they had to drive up to Weber State to do it.. |
| 05:27.12 | atoponce | yeah. i think slc would be the best |
| 05:27.30 | Kuyaedz | ..but do we have anyone with university connections in SLC? |
| 05:28.17 | atoponce | not sure |
| 05:29.02 | Kuyaedz | I wonder if it'd be possible to do an install fest at or in connection with Xmission.. |
| 05:30.04 | atoponce | we may have to split the fest to a couple locations |
| 05:31.53 | Kuyaedz | did you normally do a distro-specific install fest up there? |
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| 05:32.57 | atoponce | no, but ubuntu is usually the highlight |
| 05:33.18 | Kuyaedz | well it would be for us, of course.. just curious about previous install fests. I don't think I've ever even been to one :) |
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| 05:37.24 | atoponce | they are quite fun |
| 05:37.39 | atoponce | linuxalien: you've been to one of our install fests, haven't you? |
| 05:42.32 | linuxalien | Hiya |
| 05:42.35 | linuxalien | Yes |
| 05:43.18 | atoponce | what did you think? |
| 05:45.43 | linuxalien | It was fun |
| 05:46.00 | linuxalien | Especially with food |
| 05:47.38 | atoponce | what was the last one you visited? was it in the union building, or B2? |
| 05:55.21 | linuxalien | Hmmm |
| 05:55.24 | linuxalien | B2 |
| 05:55.34 | linuxalien | Union was when Scott Barber was around |
| 05:55.40 | linuxalien | B2 was when he was gone I think |
| 05:55.46 | atoponce | nah. he cas there too |
| 05:57.27 | linuxalien | Really? |
| 05:57.49 | linuxalien | Ok. nm. But I did make it to one in B2. I had my iBook there and was refusing to install anything on it. hehe |
| 05:58.16 | atoponce | hehe |
| 05:58.26 | atoponce | stubborn are we? |
| 05:59.09 | linuxalien | Yeah haha |
| 05:59.19 | linuxalien | I have Fink, what more could you want? :P |
| 05:59.48 | Kuyaedz | uhm, OSS.. |
| 05:59.57 | atoponce | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC |
| 06:00.18 | atoponce | 1988. i thoght it was a lot older than that |
| 06:00.34 | linuxalien | Wow |
| 06:06.28 | atoponce | http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/top100.php |
| 06:06.46 | linuxalien | 1988 - I was only 18 |
| 06:06.49 | atoponce | pretty sad when the top channels are warez-based |
| 06:06.54 | atoponce | i was 11 |
| 06:07.08 | Kuyaedz | 1988.. wow I was 9 |
| 06:07.16 | Kuyaedz | ~lart Kuyaedz for being the youngest |
| 06:08.03 | atoponce | ~taunt Kuyaedz |
| 06:08.05 | jbot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at Kuyaedz |
| 06:10.03 | Kuyaedz | I need to find some use for my FC5 machine that'll actually make me learn it |
| 06:11.20 | atoponce | python dev :) |
| 06:12.01 | Kuyaedz | I'm starting to think I'm not cut out to be a coder. |
| 06:13.19 | atoponce | hehe |
| 06:13.26 | atoponce | why do you say that? |
| 06:13.49 | Kuyaedz | Well I haven't spent much time studying lately, but I just seem to have so much trouble with it.. |
| 06:15.33 | atoponce | programming takes time and a TON of patience, not to mention motivation |
| 06:15.54 | atoponce | i am usually never in the mood |
| 06:16.49 | Kuyaedz | my problem is I get frustrated at my lack of skill & not being able to get the results that I want. |
| 06:17.03 | Kuyaedz | I suppose its the same with learning anything new.. I should just dedicate some time to it |
| 06:17.24 | atoponce | yeah |
| 06:18.00 | Kuyaedz | I have that python book. I should put it to use |
| 06:18.01 | linuxalien | Just find a programming buddy and motivate each other and talk about cool programming deals |
| 06:18.24 | Kuyaedz | wonder if there is anyone in #utah that's patient enough to coach some beginning python |
| 06:18.55 | Kuyaedz | the only thing I've managed to do so far is a basic name/password verification program.. |
| 06:19.19 | Kuyaedz | I guess that's something.. nothing fancy like hashes or encryption--basic input stuff. |
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| 06:19.49 | Kuyaedz | I'm going to take off though.. see ya'll in the mornin' |
| 06:20.38 | atoponce | later |
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| 06:22.25 | linuxalien | goodnigh |
| 06:22.30 | atoponce | night |
| 06:22.31 | linuxalien | I'm gonna sleep too |
| 06:22.35 | atoponce | same here |
| 06:22.42 | linuxalien | :) |
| 06:22.51 | linuxalien | have a good rest |
| 06:22.53 | atoponce | ~lart linuxalien for wanting to sleep |
| 06:23.00 | linuxalien | hahaa |
| 06:23.15 | atoponce | you can't go anywhere now |
| 06:23.25 | atoponce | your foot is stapled to the floor |
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| 12:17.17 | Dapper606 | What hair color do they put on the driver's licenses of bald men? |
| 14:04.51 | synic | Kuyaedz: you have a fc5 box just to learn fc5? |
| 14:05.04 | synic | that's a pretty good idea |
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| 14:42.17 | atoponce | ~dns jfindlay.us |
| 14:53.10 | Kuyaedz | mornin' |
| 14:53.29 | Kuyaedz | synic: Yeah, I figure RH/FC is big in business settings so I should know my way around it |
| 14:53.50 | synic | hehe, that's why I learned Java |
| 14:55.36 | throck | RH is big because it isn't free. |
| 14:58.13 | Kuyaedz | problem is I'm not sure what to build on this box that'll give me some experience. I've already got a running web/mail server. |
| 14:58.45 | Kuyaedz | atoponce suggested I use it to practice python, but really only teaches me python ;) |
| 15:00.29 | Kuyaedz | man our mailing list keeps getting spammed. at least its held for approval first.. |
| 15:01.17 | throck | I thought I subscribed to the mailing list - but I didn't get the messages you send the other night. |
| 15:02.42 | Kuyaedz | I don't think I see you on the list.. |
| 15:03.27 | Kuyaedz | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-utah |
| 15:03.38 | Kuyaedz | there you can re-subscribe if you need |
| 15:08.24 | throck | cool. I am now subscribed. |
| 15:19.10 | synic | Kuyaedz: you could use it to code up a python web forum with a postgres backend. |
| 15:19.30 | synic | which would require setting up apache, mod-python, postgres, and some sort of smtp if you want replies emailed |
| 15:20.24 | Kuyaedz | I've already setup apache & mysql-server.. |
| 15:20.46 | synic | hrmm. |
| 15:20.47 | Kuyaedz | although I don't have a lot of use for it since my Ubuntu Server runs all of that already + 20 vhosts. |
| 15:21.04 | synic | use is as a jabber server? |
| 15:21.28 | synic | which brings me to my next question: do you folks use jabber? |
| 15:21.33 | synic | and if so, what are your JIDs? |
| 15:21.51 | synic | <-- synic@jbother.org |
| 15:22.06 | synic | oh wait, you do |
| 15:22.13 | synic | ... I have Kuyaedz on my jabber list, heh |
| 15:22.34 | Kuyaedz | hehe, yeah.. I use it via my gmail |
| 15:23.23 | throck | <-- thesnowrider@gmail.com |
| 15:24.16 | Kuyaedz | I think most of you have mine.. if not christer.edwards@gmail.com |
| 15:24.40 | throck | woo-hoo! I have buddies! |
| 15:25.01 | synic | hehe |
| 15:25.33 | Kuyaedz | I can't believe its been a month since I switched to Jabber/IRC only. |
| 15:26.28 | synic | no aim, yahoo, msn? |
| 15:26.46 | Kuyaedz | nope. i'm becomin' quite the purist |
| 15:26.56 | synic | if not, you should consider switching from gaim to gajim |
| 15:27.06 | synic | brb, gotta run to the airport |
| 15:27.15 | throck | good luck |
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| 15:28.22 | HoneyShiv | morning |
| 15:29.30 | throck | so if I set up a jabber server I could use that instead of gmail right? And anyone else could add me to their buddy list as long as they were using jabber, without being on my server, right? |
| 15:29.49 | Kuyaedz | right |
| 15:29.58 | Kuyaedz | any jabber server works along with another |
| 15:31.12 | throck | Kuyaedz: do you have a jabber server running yet? |
| 15:31.12 | Kuyaedz | I set up a Jabber server (its super easy) but figured since I already had it via gmail I'd just use that |
| 15:31.45 | throck | Could I give accounts to other people on my jabber server? How hard is that? |
| 15:31.57 | Kuyaedz | simple |
| 15:32.02 | throck | I'm sure I can, I'm wondering about the simplicity rather than anything. |
| 15:32.26 | Kuyaedz | well installing jabber is as easy as adding the 'ejabberd' package |
| 15:32.31 | throck | I can really see a good use for Jabber for businesses who want to keep their internal chatting internal. |
| 15:32.36 | Kuyaedz | definitely |
| 15:33.04 | throck | We use an internal AIM server where I work. |
| 15:33.10 | throck | I hate proprietary lock in. |
| 15:33.37 | Kuyaedz | yeah |
| 15:34.57 | throck | Of course - we are also a full on MS shop. :( |
| 15:36.11 | Kuyaedz | I've decided that software salespeople are the root of all evil. They've sold their soul to Gates & will pay dearly for it later. |
| 15:36.39 | Kuyaedz | ..unless they're pushing OSS, of course. |
| 15:37.39 | throck | All the vendors I work with have a sales guy and an engineer. |
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| 15:37.58 | throck | The sales guy is a, well, a sales guy, and the engineer is the one I really want to talk to. |
| 15:38.07 | ducky | hey throck |
| 15:38.12 | throck | For OSS, you don't really need the sales guy. :) |
| 15:38.12 | ducky | hows life..... |
| 15:38.28 | throck | morning ducky. |
| 15:38.42 | throck | Well, it's Friday, and that helps things very nicely this week. |
| 15:39.02 | ducky | today is the day i finally move out of my parents house |
| 15:39.19 | ducky | i feel kine of weird |
| 15:39.26 | Kuyaedz | ohh yeah you're leavin' us huh |
| 15:39.33 | ducky | ya... today is that day |
| 15:39.40 | ducky | all the way to Idaho |
| 15:39.45 | Kuyaedz | well you're still welcome in here anyway :) |
| 15:40.01 | ducky | aww... that makes me feel all fuzzy inside... thanks ;) |
| 15:40.25 | throck | You are moving to Idaho right? |
| 15:40.28 | throck | For school? |
| 15:40.29 | ducky | utahbot: what do you think about Idaho? |
| 15:40.33 | ducky | throck ya, |
| 15:40.40 | ducky | byui |
| 15:40.54 | ducky | Electrical and Computer Engineering Major |
| 15:40.57 | throck | utahbot is now dapper606 i think. |
| 15:41.02 | Kuyaedz | they let you in? you're a hellion though |
| 15:41.31 | ducky | well... |
| 15:41.32 | ducky | lol |
| 15:41.34 | ducky | ya |
| 15:42.09 | ducky | they changed the Major from Computer Engineering to the one ^ there |
| 15:42.21 | ducky | not sure why |
| 15:42.39 | ducky | oh and they all use Red Hat LInux ... im kind of scared... |
| 15:43.00 | Kuyaedz | better pack up a FC5-dvd.iso |
| 15:43.08 | ducky | oh true that |
| 15:43.23 | ducky | man... and I really liked Ubuntu too... |
| 15:43.36 | Kuyaedz | if you've got time, which you probably don't, I can burn you one. I've got the DVD.iso already downloaded. |
| 15:43.42 | ducky | wait. .you can make RPM's work on a .deb base sistem right? |
| 15:44.02 | Kuyaedz | well you can dual-boot FC5 & Ubuntu, just like you'd dual boot *nix & XP |
| 15:44.15 | ducky | yarr.... |
| 15:44.40 | ducky | im all ready attached to Ubuntu ... garr |
| 15:44.41 | Kuyaedz | or you can be our Ubuntu Missionary & spread the word to the heathens in ID |
| 15:44.48 | ducky | yes! |
| 15:44.54 | ducky | free enterprise editon too |
| 15:45.01 | Kuyaedz | its really not HUGELY different.. |
| 15:45.08 | ducky | right and its free |
| 15:45.22 | ducky | and new age had dawned! |
| 15:45.38 | Kuyaedz | here's what you need to know. yum is WAY slower & crappier than APT. hardware recognition is not up to par with Ubuntu.. |
| 15:45.40 | ducky | dapper606: what do you think of Fendora Core 5? |
| 15:45.49 | ducky | dang it |
| 15:45.51 | Dapper606 | ducky: I have no formulated opinion. |
| 15:46.18 | throck | why would you need to run FC5 instead of Ubuntu? Because everyone else does? |
| 15:46.38 | ducky | well i think most of the class is going to be based around Red Hat Linux |
| 15:46.47 | ducky | maby i wont have to |
| 15:46.53 | Kuyaedz | You'll be fine sticking to Ubuntu on your machine, and learn a few RH things in-class |
| 15:47.09 | Kuyaedz | ~lart HoneyShiv |
| 15:47.20 | throck | maybe you could run FC5 under vmware under Ubuntu. :) |
| 15:47.23 | ducky | ya plus i think im ganna have a big advantage over the hard core windows users that most of the students are going to be |
| 15:47.24 | Kuyaedz | Ooh, you got sea-of-tranquility'd! |
| 15:47.33 | throck | Or under qemu. |
| 15:47.44 | ducky | lol now that would be kind of funny throck ... |
| 15:48.00 | ducky | but might work |
| 15:48.21 | ducky | i just really like having my xgl and it run's stable too |
| 15:48.40 | throck | I can't run xgl. 3d acceleration isn't working on my ati card. |
| 15:48.42 | ducky | well... i just can't run wine apps or 3d accelleration ... other than that its perfect |
| 15:48.54 | ducky | hum |
| 15:49.21 | ducky | what kind of graphics card do you have ( 9200 + ? ( |
| 15:49.26 | Kuyaedz | throck: I've got a howto for nVidia and XGL but.. I'm stuck getting my ATI working as well. |
| 15:49.26 | throck | It's a Mobility 7500, so the proprietary ati drivers don't work. |
| 15:50.01 | ducky | you are trying the fxlr (or somthing that looks like that ) drivers? |
| 15:50.11 | throck | The wiki says 3d already works on this card by default, but it isn't. my xorg.conf file says it's using "ati" |
| 15:50.23 | Kuyaedz | ATI Radeon Mobility 9000U1 is listed as supported but I can't get the 3d accel working. |
| 15:50.43 | throck | the fxlr drivers are for the 8100 or 9000 and up, not for 7500. |
| 15:50.51 | throck | I tried it and it locks the system up hard. |
| 15:50.57 | ducky | oh |
| 15:52.22 | ducky | hey im having a problem with my parents computer... im trying to get PAF (the geneolgy program) to work on their computer with wine |
| 15:52.25 | ducky | it works on my computer |
| 15:52.33 | ducky | but on theirs it runss... but looks like this |
| 15:52.49 | ducky | http://www.freewebs.com/scobb/Screenshot.png |
| 15:53.13 | ducky | i almost looks like a diffrent language.. i was thinking it was somthing in wine cfg or somthing |
| 15:53.18 | throck | I think that's hebrew. |
| 15:53.20 | throck | :) |
| 15:53.22 | Kuyaedz | looks like its using another language, yeah |
| 15:53.37 | ducky | thats what i thought but look at the top options |
| 15:53.41 | ducky | they are all in english |
| 15:53.57 | throck | The top options may not be programmed for the other language - just the main windows. |
| 15:54.07 | ducky | humm |
| 15:54.26 | ducky | so you think its a wine cfg problem or just a setting problem in the program |
| 15:57.00 | throck | Maybe you could copy your .wine files to their system and see if that works. |
| 15:58.18 | ducky | hehe ya .. i just packed my computer up hehe |
| 15:58.46 | ducky | mabe ill do that with ssh when i get to idaho or somthin |
| 15:59.32 | Kuyaedz | hope you don't leave your parents 400 miles away w/o a workin' app |
| 16:00.31 | ducky | ya .. i know |
| 16:00.39 | ducky | that what i was worried about |
| 16:01.54 | Kuyaedz | I'd say double check the language settings in winecfg.. |
| 16:05.56 | ducky | there we goo it was stuck on a really weird font ... |
| 16:06.02 | ducky | wine was working just fine i guess |
| 16:13.01 | ducky | ok guys ill tell you when im in Idaho |
| 16:13.34 | ducky | Dapper606: good bye computer friend... |
| 16:13.43 | Dapper606 | ducky: I hope to chat with you again soon! |
| 16:15.13 | Kuyaedz | that kid.. |
| 16:25.40 | HoneyShiv | I'm sure he is scared to death |
| 16:29.29 | Kuyaedz | I don't know why, but you're still not listed as subscribed on the list. I'm going to do it manually. |
| 16:30.08 | Kuyaedz | you want it at this address; thesnowrider@gmail.com ? |
| 16:33.30 | throck | Right. |
| 16:34.07 | Kuyaedz | done |
| 16:34.24 | Kuyaedz | did you ever get a confirmation email? |
| 16:35.56 | throck | yes. |
| 16:36.07 | throck | And I didn't respond to it. |
| 16:36.17 | Kuyaedz | hehe, you've got to confirm it |
| 16:40.23 | Kuyaedz | so I have no idea where to start on a python app.. |
| 16:51.57 | *** part/#ubuntu-utah HoneyShiv (n=cedwards@host-19.pl107798-3.fiber.net) |
| 17:19.20 | synic | Kuyaedz: I forgot. I know I asked you this before, but how much would you charge to host a couple of vhosts for opensource projects? |
| 17:20.52 | Kuyaedz | heavy traffic? |
| 17:21.13 | synic | http://www.jbother.org/stats - this is the highest load vhost. |
| 17:22.38 | Kuyaedz | am I converting those KBytes right? ~3-5G/mo? |
| 17:22.56 | synic | yeah, that's about right |
| 17:23.26 | Kuyaedz | are they just standard html/php? |
| 17:23.56 | synic | well, they are ruby currently, but I want to convert them to python or php |
| 17:24.15 | synic | they use a mysql server for the forums |
| 17:24.53 | Kuyaedz | I just ask because I've only hosted html/php so far. It should support other stuff (cgi-bin, etc) but I've never tested it |
| 17:26.40 | Kuyaedz | where are you hosting it now? |
| 17:27.10 | synic | linode |
| 17:29.49 | Kuyaedz | these just basically info/downloads for your OSS projects? |
| 17:30.07 | Kuyaedz | ohh, tricky maquis |
| 17:30.13 | invisible | :) |
| 17:30.27 | invisible | yeah... |
| 17:30.33 | invisible | i'm hiding in another channel |
| 17:30.43 | invisible | but hidden was already taken... |
| 17:30.49 | invisible | and it wouldn't let me stick a . in front of my nick |
| 17:30.57 | synic | Kuyaedz: yes |
| 17:31.37 | Kuyaedz | what kind of requirements are you looking for? colo? just webspace & bandwidth? |
| 17:33.04 | synic | I'd prefer colocation |
| 17:33.37 | throck | kuyaedz - what kind of bandwidth do you have? |
| 17:34.02 | Kuyaedz | xmission imposed 100G on me, which I'm still not coming close to. |
| 17:39.17 | Kuyaedz | they wired my place in such a way I'm not sure how I'd colo with a dedicate IP. |
| 17:42.02 | Kuyaedz | it works well for what I've got & basic webspace on my machines.. |
| 17:42.18 | throck | wow. Are you on that utopia thing? |
| 17:42.23 | Kuyaedz | yeah |
| 17:50.28 | throck | I would love to have that. |
| 17:50.54 | Kuyaedz | throck: its nice, although I think my BW limit is a little skewed |
| 17:51.27 | throck | What's your up/down speed? |
| 17:52.20 | throck | what's the advertised speed? |
| 17:52.37 | Kuyaedz | supposed to be 15/15 |
| 17:53.39 | Kuyaedz | I just did 7141/6804. I do see some slowdown thru my bride, unfortunately. |
| 17:57.32 | Kuyaedz | *bridge |
| 17:58.39 | Kuyaedz | ..and another test just gave me 8438/9936 |
| 17:59.10 | Kuyaedz | its not always the advertised speed but I have seen it peak at ~21M, and average out ~14M |
| 17:59.23 | throck | That's probably normal. I don't think you can ever get the max. |
| 18:01.32 | Kuyaedz | Yeah.. can't complain about ~10M downloads. |
| 18:05.01 | Kuyaedz | that doesn't make sense.. my wireless notebooks that bypass my network bridge are getting slower speeds |
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| 19:57.34 | Kuyaedz | hey |
| 20:03.15 | herlo | hey |
| 20:06.29 | Kuyaedz | I'm trying to figure out gpg this afternoon.. |
| 20:14.17 | herlo | gpg? |
| 20:14.23 | herlo | for what? |
| 20:14.26 | throck | Are you documenting that gpg thing? I'd love to give that a shot too. I just don't have as much time as you. |
| 20:14.36 | Kuyaedz | I could try to write something up, sure. |
| 20:14.52 | atoponce | i have a presentation put together already |
| 20:14.57 | herlo | gpg is quite easy |
| 20:14.58 | Kuyaedz | herlo: thought I'd try using it on my email & learn how it works |
| 20:15.20 | throck | You don't have to write it up just for me. :) |
| 20:15.22 | herlo | yeah, signing email and publishing your keys is useful |
| 20:15.53 | Kuyaedz | plus I needed to re-generate a key after losing the only copy I had |
| 20:16.03 | throck | herlo - do you have that published somewhere? |
| 20:16.08 | herlo | gpg --search-keys Clint Savage |
| 20:16.14 | herlo | throck: no |
| 20:16.34 | herlo | but there are tons of good resources out on the web already |
| 20:17.06 | herlo | you could look here, http://www.nmlug.org/faqs/gen-gpg-key.html |
| 20:17.11 | herlo | that's the one I used the most.... |
| 20:17.52 | herlo | there's a little more to it, but its pretty straightforward. |
| 20:28.16 | throck | Or here I guess. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto |
| 20:37.28 | throck | what does everyone use for their firewall boxes? |
| 20:39.05 | atoponce | linksys wrt54g all the way |
| 20:39.18 | throck | no dedicated firewall? |
| 20:39.26 | throck | is that with modified firmware? |
| 20:39.30 | atoponce | yes |
| 20:39.42 | atoponce | from sveasoft when they violated the gpl |
| 20:39.55 | atoponce | what would i need just a dedicated firewall for when that has one in it? |
| 20:40.04 | Kuyaedz | I still need to try to un-brick my wrt54g I tried to update. |
| 20:40.10 | throck | for the joy of setting one up. :) |
| 20:40.15 | atoponce | ahh |
| 20:40.28 | throck | What firewall product would you recommend for a small business? |
| 20:40.29 | Kuyaedz | I use my netgear router & then I setup a firewill via iptables on the box that gets connections from the outside. |
| 20:40.47 | throck | Free of course |
| 20:40.50 | atoponce | iptables is nice, but so confusing and overly configurable |
| 20:41.05 | atoponce | you can do some damage with iptables if your not careful |
| 20:41.12 | throck | I'm thinking more along the lines of automated and easy to use. |
| 20:41.25 | throck | I've used IPCop, and I wonder if there is something better. |
| 20:41.31 | Kuyaedz | firestarter is super easy |
| 20:41.48 | atoponce | i would just buy a router with one built in. they're like $40 now, run imbedded linux, and solid as a rock |
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| 21:21.39 | HoneyShiv | :) |
| 21:21.58 | atoponce | HoneyShiv: welcome |
| 21:22.05 | atoponce | Dapper606: say hi to HoneyShiv |
| 21:22.12 | HoneyShiv | thank you atopounce |
| 21:22.15 | Dapper606 | atoponce: I can't, he's not around at the moment. |
| 21:22.27 | atoponce | Dapper606: she's right here |
| 21:22.30 | atoponce | !seen HoneyShiv |
| 21:22.31 | Dapper606 | atoponce, HoneyShiv is right here! |
| 21:22.41 | HoneyShiv | lol |
| 21:22.43 | Dapper606 | atoponce: I'm so sorry Lina! |
| 21:22.52 | HoneyShiv | lina? |
| 21:23.34 | HoneyShiv | dapper606: how are you doing today? |
| 21:23.43 | Dapper606 | HoneyShiv: My days are all much the same. |
| 21:28.44 | atoponce | Dapper606: Who's Lina? |
| 21:29.11 | Dapper606 | atoponce: Most drugstore lines have similar colour choice here in Sweden. |
| 21:29.22 | atoponce | Dapper606: you're not making sense |
| 21:29.35 | Dapper606 | atoponce: Maybe you're just not comprehending what I'm saying. |
| 21:29.56 | atoponce | Dapper606: you're absolutely correct |
| 21:30.07 | Dapper606 | atoponce: I wish it weren't so. |
| 21:30.29 | HoneyShiv | Dapper606: I think there is something wrong with your brain |
| 21:30.39 | atoponce | Dapper606: so do i |
| 21:30.41 | Dapper606 | HoneyShiv: Besides you, no. |
| 21:30.52 | Dapper606 | atoponce: Cool! |
| 21:30.57 | atoponce | !insult Dapper606 |
| 21:30.59 | *** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=atoponce@c-24-2-85-66.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] by Dapper606 (Insult this beotch! LOL) |
| 21:31.09 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah atoponce (n=aaron@c-24-2-85-66.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 21:31.09 | HoneyShiv | oh my! |
| 21:31.11 | atoponce | ouch |
| 21:31.23 | HoneyShiv | ~lart dapper606 |
| 21:31.39 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [+o atoponce] by ChanServ |
| 21:31.44 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [-o Dapper606] by atoponce |
| 21:31.51 | atoponce | mwahaha! |
| 21:32.07 | atoponce | ~inslut Dapper606 |
| 21:32.17 | atoponce | ~insult Dapper606 |
| 21:32.24 | HoneyShiv | I think dapper606 is going to slowly try and control the world... |
| 21:32.29 | Dapper606 | jbot: What? |
| 21:32.31 | jbot | who? |
| 21:32.31 | atoponce | probably |
| 21:32.58 | HoneyShiv | ~insult dapper606 |
| 21:33.11 | atoponce | ~insult Dapper606 |
| 21:33.13 | HoneyShiv | ~lart dapper 606 |
| 21:33.13 | Dapper606 | jbot: Oui. |
| 21:33.32 | HoneyShiv | ~lart dapper606 |
| 21:33.33 | Dapper606 | jbot: Thou clouted evil-eyed pumpion! |
| 21:33.44 | atoponce | ~smash Dapper606 |
| 21:33.46 | jbot | ACTION flings an anvil in Dapper606's general direction |
| 21:34.43 | atoponce | Dapper606: what is a pumpion? |
| 21:35.01 | Dapper606 | atoponce: Go find out for yourself. |
| 21:35.09 | HoneyShiv | whoah |
| 21:35.15 | atoponce | Dapper606: define pumpion |
| 21:35.19 | herlo | what happened to Kuyaedz? |
| 21:35.29 | Dapper606 | atoponce: Pumpion is mentioned in the following topics. |
| 21:35.35 | HoneyShiv | hell-ro: he's talking to Bryan from Guru |
| 21:35.36 | herlo | hi HoneyShiv |
| 21:35.40 | HoneyShiv | hi |
| 21:35.45 | herlo | it herlo now |
| 21:35.54 | HoneyShiv | oops |
| 21:36.28 | herlo | np |
| 21:36.30 | HoneyShiv | herlo: how did you convince him into this one? ;) |
| 21:36.36 | atoponce | HoneyShiv: you can type the first letter of the nick, and hit tab, and it will finish the rest |
| 21:36.38 | herlo | I didn't |
| 21:36.48 | HoneyShiv | atoponce: cool |
| 21:36.56 | HoneyShiv | atoponce: I like that |
| 21:37.17 | atoponce | if there is a nick with the same letter, continue hitting tab, and it will cyle through them |
| 21:37.28 | herlo | atoponce: on gaim that doesn't work for me |
| 21:37.34 | atoponce | really? |
| 21:37.49 | HoneyShiv | atoponce: not so much |
| 21:37.59 | atoponce | herlo: the multi-tab? |
| 21:38.40 | HoneyShiv | atoponce: oh well, I still like it |
| 21:39.31 | atoponce | yeah, the tab is nice |
| 21:39.52 | atoponce | i use irssi, and it does the multi-tab, so i figured they all did |
| 21:40.00 | atoponce | :| |
| 21:40.04 | HoneyShiv | atoponce: oh... |
| 21:41.28 | synic | atoponce: are there any features irssi doesn't have that you wish it did? |
| 21:45.04 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 21:45.08 | atoponce | good question |
| 21:45.37 | atoponce | maybe a beep when my nick is referenced, but i found a perl script that does that, so i don't think so |
| 21:47.16 | synic | I've been toying with writing a new console client |
| 21:47.30 | atoponce | irssi is solid. |
| 21:47.43 | synic | with mouse support, better channel notification support |
| 21:47.55 | synic | possibly a way to play .wav files even via screen |
| 21:48.08 | synic | a hotkey to toggle a nicklist on the right |
| 21:49.44 | atoponce | i don't miss lack of mouse support in irssi |
| 21:50.04 | atoponce | and there is a perl script for having a nicklist as well |
| 21:50.19 | synic | yeah, I don't like it much, though |
| 21:52.39 | atoponce | it's different at first, but man it's powerful, and loaded with features. implemented with screen, it's tough to beat |
| 21:52.50 | atoponce | but, it is console |
| 21:53.20 | atoponce | and not very desirable. themes make it better to lookat |
| 21:53.53 | synic | what would be cool is a sort of server side irssi, that you could connect to with a gui client |
| 22:04.02 | atoponce | the biggest thing for me is launching a client everytime i am at a new computer. |
| 22:04.17 | atoponce | with screen, i never have to worry about it. just ssh in, and i am golden |
| 22:05.09 | synic | right, that's what I mean |
| 22:05.14 | synic | this would connect to an already active session |
| 22:05.29 | synic | kind of like screen and irssi works |
| 22:09.45 | atoponce | i see |
| 22:10.08 | atoponce | the client would "detatch" your previous session and "attach" it to the new gui |
| 22:10.45 | atoponce | would it be multi-server capable or single server? |
| 22:11.59 | synic | multi server |
| 22:12.14 | synic | kind of like a bnc... but a lot better. |
| 22:12.29 | synic | brb |
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| 22:26.10 | HoneyShiv | hey DougE |
| 22:26.33 | DougE | oh, hey |
| 22:29.53 | HoneyShiv | herlo: have you talked to kuyaedz yet? |
| 22:47.16 | herlo | HoneyShiv: we are having a discussion in another chat |
| 22:48.44 | HoneyShiv | oh...with out me? |
| 22:48.47 | HoneyShiv | sadness |
| 22:48.59 | herlo | well, I am sure he has already made the same points...to you |
| 22:49.07 | atoponce | ~lart Kuyaedz-FC5 for not including his wife |
| 22:49.18 | HoneyShiv | thank you atopounce |
| 22:49.27 | atoponce | :) |
| 22:49.50 | herlo | did you pounce?! |
| 22:50.11 | HoneyShiv | I'm trying to talk to him but he is ignoring me |
| 22:50.13 | herlo | ~pimpslap atoponce just for fun |
| 22:50.15 | jbot | herlo pimpslaps atoponce just for fun. ouch! |
| 22:50.22 | atoponce | ~mart herlo |
| 22:50.23 | jbot | ACTION dumps a cherry Kwikie Mart Squishee on herlo's head |
| 22:50.23 | herlo | ~rlart |
| 22:50.33 | herlo | lol |
| 22:50.36 | atoponce | two in a row! ouch! |
| 22:51.10 | atoponce | !insult herlo |
| 22:51.11 | herlo | atoponce: what's funny is that jbot did mine first even though you sent your request first.....suck |
| 22:51.12 | Dapper606 | herlo: You contemptible mountain of sloppy Debian noob! |
| 22:51.19 | herlo | ~cook atoponce |
| 22:51.20 | jbot | ACTION throws atoponce in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks atoponce on 350 for an hour |
| 22:51.27 | herlo | !beat atoponce |
| 22:51.50 | herlo | !slap atoponce |
| 22:51.55 | herlo | awww |
| 22:51.58 | atoponce | Dapper606: smash herlo to oblivion |
| 22:52.00 | herlo | that sucks |
| 22:52.03 | HoneyShiv | hehe |
| 22:52.12 | atoponce | yeah, i need more fun scripts for Dapper606 |
| 22:52.16 | herlo | Dapper606: do you dislike atoponce? |
| 22:52.24 | Dapper606 | atoponce: How long did that take you to type all of that out? |
| 22:52.30 | HoneyShiv | lol |
| 22:52.35 | Dapper606 | herlo: Rarely. |
| 22:52.51 | atoponce | Dapper606: who's better, me or herlo? |
| 22:52.55 | herlo | Dapper606: atoponce is very dislikeable |
| 22:53.11 | Dapper606 | atoponce: Does it make a difference? |
| 22:53.16 | Dapper606 | herlo: Information acknowledged. |
| 22:53.31 | atoponce | Dapper606: herlo is a monkey |
| 22:53.35 | herlo | Dapper606: who do you like better, me or atoponce |
| 22:53.53 | Dapper606 | atoponce: Knowledge acquired. |
| 22:53.54 | HoneyShiv | trying to make the computer play favorites are we? |
| 22:53.56 | Dapper606 | herlo: I like God, and I like you. |
| 22:54.09 | herlo | Dapper606: so you don't like atoponce? |
| 22:54.21 | atoponce | Dapper606: herlo needs a banana |
| 22:54.34 | atoponce | HoneyShiv: might be working |
| 22:54.41 | Dapper606 | atoponce: Bananas are a good source of potassium, I'm told. |
| 22:54.43 | HoneyShiv | atoponce: yeah it might! |
| 22:54.45 | Dapper606 | herlo: Beats me! |
| 22:54.57 | herlo | Dapper606: why does it take you so long to respond? |
| 22:55.13 | Dapper606 | herlo: I like to take my time. |
| 22:55.49 | atoponce | let's see if the jokes work yet... |
| 22:55.52 | atoponce | !joke |
| 22:55.59 | atoponce | !redneck |
| 22:56.05 | HoneyShiv | ~lart herlo |
| 22:56.06 | atoponce | argh |
| 22:56.16 | herlo | ~kick HoneyShiv |
| 22:56.17 | jbot | bugger off sod! |
| 22:56.28 | HoneyShiv | ~insult herlo |
| 22:56.40 | herlo | !smack HoneyShiv |
| 22:56.42 | atoponce | s/step/steps/ |
| 22:56.56 | HoneyShiv | ~smash herlo |
| 22:56.57 | jbot | ACTION flings an anvil in herlo's general direction |
| 22:57.39 | HoneyShiv | ~lart herlo |
| 22:59.18 | herlo | :-( |
| 22:59.27 | HoneyShiv | perfect |
| 22:59.41 | HoneyShiv | lol |
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