| 00:00.38 | file | yay yelling |
| 00:01.53 | scanlime | hmm |
| 00:01.54 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9715 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/ (7 files): move text entry storage into TextEntry |
| 00:01.59 | scanlime | mind.. filling.. with... craziness.... |
| 00:07.07 | ChipX86 | heh I'm on hold |
| 00:07.11 | ChipX86 | the lady is frustrated with me |
| 00:07.47 | ChipX86 | a 512MB RS-MMC card |
| 00:08.05 | ChipX86 | which is not urgent |
| 00:08.11 | ChipX86 | but every time UPS sends a package now, I go through this mess |
| 00:08.43 | purple_cow | :( |
| 00:10.49 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 00:10.51 | ChipX86 | wow |
| 00:10.57 | ChipX86 | she was not happy toward the end there |
| 00:11.14 | ChipX86 | started talking, stopped, started, stopped, big sigh and just stopped talking for about 20 seconds |
| 00:11.49 | ChipX86 | I wasn't actually yelling, but I was explaining to her over and over that if two people at an apartment complex are able to turn off this automatic deliver-to-office-if-resident-is-out thing, then there must be a way to turn it back on |
| 00:11.53 | ChipX86 | she claims it's impossible |
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| 00:13.30 | hardwire | sweet.. my gnome desktop issues were because of metacity |
| 00:13.36 | hardwire | now replaced by xfwm4 |
| 00:13.38 | hardwire | happyness at last |
| 00:18.20 | ChipX86 | BAH |
| 00:18.25 | ChipX86 | World Wraps closed for good today |
| 00:20.41 | hardwire | a sammich store? |
| 00:21.11 | scanlime | is it just me, or do vmware users seem slightly obsessed with our build numbers? |
| 00:21.24 | ChipX86 | scanlime: they really are |
| 00:21.28 | ChipX86 | they feel special knowing them |
| 00:21.41 | ChipX86 | hardwire: wraps, like burritos but not |
| 00:21.46 | pfault_ | obsessive! |
| 00:21.48 | scanlime | http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=12766 |
| 00:21.53 | hardwire | ChipX86: I make me wraps all dem time! |
| 00:22.04 | pfault_ | do you guys run nightly builds? |
| 00:22.18 | pfault_ | or stick to stable builds |
| 00:22.31 | ChipX86 | I sync and compile |
| 00:23.00 | ChipX86 | scanlime: wow, some good comments |
| 00:23.04 | pfault_ | uhh |
| 00:23.09 | pfault_ | I thought 5.5 has been out for a long time? |
| 00:23.16 | ChipX86 | betas and RCs have |
| 00:23.20 | pfault_ | ahh |
| 00:23.24 | pfault_ | I guess I have to update |
| 00:23.35 | scanlime | nightly? stable? |
| 00:23.36 | hardwire | scanlime: like all the way down to the build number obsessed.. |
| 00:24.20 | ChipX86 | same, but different branch |
| 00:24.30 | pfault_ | hehe |
| 00:25.20 | pfault_ | I had too much garlic at lunch |
| 00:25.22 | pfault_ | I can still taste it |
| 00:25.28 | scanlime | I dunno what they did, but osnews actually has some comments worth reading now |
| 00:25.36 | scanlime | last time I tried osnews, it was still 500 pages of crap on each story |
| 00:25.52 | pfault_ | just stay out of the disto based news comments |
| 00:26.01 | pfault_ | or desktop environment |
| 00:26.02 | ChipX86 | I'm just amazed at how VMware gets such good comments on these sites |
| 00:26.25 | pfault_ | I think it's because since vmware runs whatever OS you want |
| 00:26.31 | pfault_ | there is little it can do wrong for the person |
| 00:27.04 | pfault_ | plus it's still really cool |
| 00:27.07 | pfault_ | even though it's been out for a long time now |
| 00:27.58 | scanlime | well, we do keep making it cooler :P |
| 00:28.03 | scanlime | http://www.osnews.com/read_thread.php?news_id=12766&comment_id=64169 |
| 00:28.17 | ChipX86 | and you should see what we have up our sleave for the next release >:) |
| 00:28.17 | scanlime | I wonder if that's the Dell 1450 adaptor :) |
| 00:28.55 | scanlime | the dell 1450 isnt' too bad, but its drivers are kinda buggy |
| 00:29.12 | scanlime | netgear FA120 was a total POS though |
| 00:29.33 | pfault_ | is it the hardware or the software drivers that cause the problem? |
| 00:30.09 | scanlime | ? |
| 00:30.18 | pfault_ | that causes problems to be supported in vmware |
| 00:30.19 | scanlime | hardware drivers vs software drivers? |
| 00:30.26 | pfault_ | like I know there are some USB devices that don't work right |
| 00:30.33 | pfault_ | I mean is it the actual hardware that causes the problems |
| 00:30.35 | scanlime | it can be either |
| 00:30.36 | pfault_ | or the drivers in the guest OS |
| 00:30.48 | scanlime | I see driver problems more often, but we've had plenty of buggy hardware too |
| 00:31.47 | pfault_ | ahh |
| 00:32.05 | hardwire | I need to send out a simple memo |
| 00:32.16 | hardwire | "Don't be a dick.. Look before you click.." |
| 00:36.37 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03darkstar62 * r9716 10teaching_boxes/web/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Commit my changes from earlier. Lots of updates, including uploading support. |
| 00:37.43 | scanlime | what the hell, linux |
| 00:37.58 | scanlime | this driver has some not-really-bounded recursion in it |
| 00:38.07 | scanlime | "this will recurse, probably not much" |
| 00:38.50 | nullpuppy | wtf |
| 00:39.48 | purple_cow | haha |
| 00:40.44 | scanlime | in all fairness, it really shouldn't ever recurse more than once... but you'd think they would be more cautious with kernel stack |
| 00:40.58 | pfault_ | "let someone else fix it" |
| 00:41.42 | nullpuppy | hehe |
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| 00:51.05 | laodamas | yay! |
| 00:51.09 | ChipX86 | congrats :) |
| 00:51.15 | scanlime | oh no, grad school |
| 00:51.52 | laodamas | I hope to be dual mastering in Business and IT |
| 00:52.40 | dooky | yeesh |
| 00:52.47 | scanlime | good luck. I hear business school will eat your soul.. you'll be pulling 5 all-nighers a week in the business lab trying to get your final project working without letting the magic smoke out |
| 00:53.23 | laodamas | scanlime: this business program is 50% engineers |
| 00:53.47 | laodamas | thanks to Lockheed, Raytheon, Quest, Northrop, and others |
| 00:54.12 | dooky | the websites for these universities are getting slowwww |
| 00:57.29 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9717 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/text-entry.c: use member variable instead of global gui.current_session |
| 01:00.30 | dooky | college apps take foreeeever |
| 01:02.04 | laodamas | DU took about three weeks |
| 01:02.19 | dooky | to fill out? |
| 01:02.22 | dooky | I"m an undergrad btw |
| 01:02.26 | dooky | well, high school still at this piont |
| 01:02.54 | hardwire | its interesting being able to video conference my g/f at her new job |
| 01:03.16 | purple_cow | stupid waiting :( |
| 01:03.21 | hardwire | stupid nose. |
| 01:03.24 | laodamas | dooky: three weeks from the time I submitted the application to the time I got accepted |
| 01:03.38 | ChipX86 | yay! http://view.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:03.57 | dooky | laodamas: wow. I'm applying to some huge schools, takes longer |
| 01:03.59 | dooky | to rpocess |
| 01:04.18 | ChipX86 | can someone e-mail chipx86@chipx86.com? |
| 01:06.37 | ChipX86 | cool, guess just no spammers were e-mailing me for a whlie |
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| 01:08.56 | darth_mall | man ctrlproxy makes me cranky |
| 01:09.00 | darth_mall | it's so touchy |
| 01:14.11 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9718 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/ (Makefile.am status-bar.c status-bar.h): start in on a status-bar subclass, to continue cleaning up main-window/textgui |
| 01:17.33 | scanlime | ugh, not getting anything done... |
| 01:17.55 | darth_mall | ditto |
| 01:18.26 | scanlime | I have two big patches out for review.. and in this next thing I'm trying to implement I just keep running into bugs that need fixing |
| 01:18.48 | scanlime | this one's great |
| 01:18.55 | scanlime | linux just spins in a loop ringing the doorbell |
| 01:21.13 | hardwire | ding dong |
| 01:21.19 | hardwire | darth_mall: you.. not the bell. |
| 01:21.20 | darth_mall | uhoh... brb, door |
| 01:21.27 | hardwire | ding dong |
| 01:21.33 | darth_mall | there it is again |
| 01:21.35 | darth_mall | damn |
| 01:21.38 | scanlime | yeah, pretty much |
| 01:21.44 | scanlime | but it does that about once a millisecond |
| 01:22.02 | darth_mall | wouldn't it be cool if I could, though? |
| 01:23.44 | scanlime | ugh |
| 01:23.46 | scanlime | I should go home |
| 01:23.48 | ChipX86 | huh, gelco.com claims I haven't submitted my boston expense report |
| 01:23.52 | scanlime | this is so frustrating.. I need better debug tools |
| 01:24.37 | ChipX86 | my bank account shows otherwise |
| 01:24.57 | pfault_ | wow |
| 01:25.02 | pfault_ | this beer is the best i've had in a long time |
| 01:25.09 | pfault_ | it's some micro I picked up |
| 01:27.45 | hardwire | pfault_: sounds fun |
| 01:28.26 | darth_mall | scanlime: this is a love song! |
| 01:28.45 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 01:28.46 | ChipX86 | 17:22:05 < TreMobyl> now I must buy 2 copies! |
| 01:28.49 | ChipX86 | 17:22:38 < orph> ChipX86, sweet, we get to eat tonight! |
| 01:28.53 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 01:35.14 | ChipX86 | "I love you more than bunnies! |
| 01:35.15 | ChipX86 | " |
| 01:35.24 | ChipX86 | that's a weird thing for a doll to say |
| 01:35.32 | hardwire | I think its neat |
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| 01:51.21 | slimspace | darth_mall: take a look at the sight. Is there anything I've missed? |
| 01:51.39 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9719 10teaching_boxes/docs/lib/test_lesson.tex: A test lesson for our user tests coming up. |
| 01:54.54 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 01:58.05 | lurgy | :( |
| 01:58.10 | lurgy | from vmware? |
| 01:58.22 | ChipX86 | you will |
| 01:58.45 | hardwire | purple_cow: ? |
| 01:58.52 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 01:58.58 | purple_cow | ChipX86: today? |
| 01:59.02 | ChipX86 | probably not |
| 02:00.06 | lurgy | d'oh |
| 02:00.51 | lurgy | hmm |
| 02:01.42 | darth_mall | ugh |
| 02:01.48 | darth_mall | slimspace: Deanna doesn't like the idea of providing our own lesson |
| 02:03.54 | purple_cow | lurgy: hehe |
| 02:03.57 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 02:04.00 | purple_cow | i should go grocery shopping |
| 02:04.22 | slimspace | darth_mall: grr... |
| 02:04.58 | slimspace | I don't think we have enough of the back-end implemented to support an unguided task... |
| 02:05.54 | darth_mall | slimspace: that's a good point that I hadn't thought of |
| 02:09.21 | slimspace | darth_mall: the interface is there, but some of it doesn't work, the biggest being saving. Although, enough saving is implemented to be useful. |
| 02:09.36 | slimspace | we've got at least partial lesson saving now |
| 02:10.06 | slimspace | hmm...now that I think of it, I think the only thing we really don't have is notes. |
| 02:10.20 | slimspace | everything else is functional enough to use, since they're not going to be editing existing boxes. |
| 02:11.05 | slimspace | I donno...I still don't feel comfortable doing an open-ended task with what we have. |
| 02:11.09 | slimspace | hasn't been well tested yet. |
| 02:13.38 | darth_mall | I guess we'll talk to Sebastian about it tomorrow |
| 02:14.06 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03darkstar62 * r9720 10teaching_boxes/web/ (8 files in 5 dirs): |
| 02:14.07 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: alright, at this point we have just about everything except notes. The user can |
| 02:14.07 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: save boxes and lessons (although only the name and description fields of the |
| 02:14.07 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: lessons are saved), as well as add lessons to boces (through both the new box |
| 02:14.07 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: and new lesson interfaces). Uploading files works (and actually uploads to a |
| 02:14.07 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: server), with the filenames displayed. In the back-end, there's more flexible |
| 02:14.09 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: support for fields, with dictionaries used for field elements. |
| 02:14.23 | darth_mall | apparently we're not even telling the users before the evaluation that they're expected to enter a lesson of their own |
| 02:14.45 | slimspace | I see... |
| 02:14.57 | slimspace | so what are we telling them> |
| 02:14.58 | slimspace | ? |
| 02:15.15 | darth_mall | she feels that they're experienced teachers and will have no problem coming up with something on the spot |
| 02:15.19 | slimspace | if we don't ask them to bring a lesson prepared, that leaves only boxed tasks. |
| 02:15.25 | slimspace | ugh... |
| 02:15.38 | slimspace | that's a lot of pressure to put on them... |
| 02:16.02 | darth_mall | it is true that most experienced teachers can do that, and the quality of the lessons isn't an issue, and it will probably all work out if we do it that way |
| 02:16.25 | darth_mall | but that just makes me uncomfortable not telling them |
| 02:16.46 | darth_mall | I guess we'll wait and see what Sebastian says tomorrow afternoon |
| 02:16.47 | slimspace | yeah. even if they are experienced like she says, this is going to be uncomfortable for them. They may have a better time doing that on their own, but not in a situation like this. |
| 02:17.28 | slimspace | oh well...I think we can support any kind of task at this point, it's just a matter of what we do from here. |
| 02:20.29 | darth_mall | I'd say chances are pretty good that even if we spring this on them right before the test it won't be a problem |
| 02:20.39 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9721 10xchat-gnome/ (10 files in 2 dirs): use new status bar widget. whew! |
| 02:20.50 | darth_mall | I'd rather not take the risk, but it's probably not the end of the world |
| 02:21.07 | darth_mall | and if we have a couple of horrible tests, I'll make Deanna write them up >=) |
| 02:22.25 | darth_mall | oooh... a response from Hideya |
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| 02:23.40 | darth_mall | he has good comments, but I think I'd have found them more useful a few months ago. Thanks, Brita... |
| 02:24.33 | purple_cow | yep :P |
| 02:24.57 | purple_cow | she deserved those Fs she got on my FCQ this afternoon |
| 02:24.58 | darth_mall | we did end up with a good project, though. In spite of Java ^^ |
| 02:25.02 | purple_cow | time to make some cold soba. woo! |
| 02:26.18 | ChipX86 | ok, think I got everything done that I can get done today |
| 02:27.53 | darth_mall | ChipX86: good job |
| 02:27.58 | darth_mall | now you can do some of my homework? |
| 02:28.02 | ChipX86 | sure! |
| 02:28.27 | darth_mall | sweet |
| 02:28.47 | darth_mall | heh... haven't listened to Nouvelle Vague in a while ^^ |
| 02:28.49 | darth_mall | what a great cd |
| 02:28.59 | darth_mall | they played a track from this on Nip/Tuck |
| 02:31.18 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9722 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/ (fe-gnome.c textgui.c textgui.h topic-label.c): eliminate some obsoleted code |
| 02:32.46 | purple_cow | woo |
| 02:38.25 | darth_mall | go purple_cow |
| 02:38.55 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9723 10teaching_boxes/web/scripts/lesson_plan/globals.js: |
| 02:38.55 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: Add a couple more optional fields. Cory actually got most of the ones in my |
| 02:38.55 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: notes. |
| 02:42.52 | pfault_ | damn |
| 02:42.53 | pfault_ | I am missing house |
| 02:43.42 | darth_mall | quick! do something! |
| 02:44.05 | pfault_ | timeshifting to the rescue |
| 02:44.08 | pfault_ | I can watch it at 11 |
| 02:44.49 | pfault_ | I am not crazy about that bones show |
| 02:46.57 | file[laptop] | pfault_: eep |
| 02:47.04 | pfault_ | eep |
| 02:47.05 | pfault_ | what |
| 02:47.14 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9724 10teaching_boxes/web/scripts/lesson_plan/globals.js: Alphabetize |
| 02:49.10 | file[laptop] | pfault_: I see you |
| 02:49.29 | pfault_ | yes |
| 02:49.30 | pfault_ | me too |
| 02:49.31 | pfault_ | what is up |
| 02:49.59 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 02:50.03 | purple_cow | last time i ate this, i was in japan :) |
| 02:50.29 | file[laptop] | pfault_: watching House :P |
| 02:50.32 | pfault_ | damn you |
| 02:50.47 | pfault_ | is it a good episode? |
| 02:50.49 | file[laptop] | I just spotted a cheap Cisco phone |
| 02:50.52 | file[laptop] | it's different |
| 02:51.24 | ChipX86 | damnit |
| 02:51.28 | ChipX86 | my floor heater just died |
| 02:53.03 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: you should just go to sleep and leave the day behind |
| 02:55.18 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 02:59.13 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, why do you even check the fourms? :) |
| 02:59.23 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i don't very often |
| 03:04.09 | ChipX86 | ah it's not dead |
| 03:04.19 | ChipX86 | something got caught in it and it stopped working |
| 03:07.54 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r627 10docs/design/design.tex: More on the state controller. I think that's an adequate description. |
| 03:12.43 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r628 10docs/design/design.tex: Shorten the captions on those UML diagrams. |
| 03:13.38 | ChipX86 | kergoth: ping |
| 03:17.05 | pfault_ | I need a headset for ventrilo |
| 03:20.42 | purple_cow | mmm |
| 03:20.52 | purple_cow | i love the nouvelle vague version of guns of brixton |
| 03:20.58 | pfault_ | what |
| 03:21.09 | pfault_ | that song was good in the original version |
| 03:21.18 | purple_cow | yes it was |
| 03:27.19 | darth_mall | it was |
| 03:27.26 | darth_mall | but Nouvelle Vague actually did it better, IMO |
| 03:27.51 | darth_mall | there's just something about Nouvelle Vague's version |
| 03:37.31 | scanlime | purple_cow: what'd you make? |
| 03:37.40 | purple_cow | ? |
| 03:37.56 | scanlime | ah, soba |
| 03:38.05 | purple_cow | oh, that |
| 03:38.05 | purple_cow | yes |
| 03:38.38 | scanlime | ew, what a crappy package name |
| 03:38.41 | scanlime | libdbus-glib-1-dev |
| 03:39.15 | scanlime | but yay, my balcony is clean and illuminated |
| 03:39.47 | scanlime | and I may be almost close to having an xchat-gnome |
| 03:40.36 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:40.42 | purple_cow | yay! |
| 03:41.48 | scanlime | just fyi, xchat-gnome will fail to build if openssl or dbus dev packages are missing, but it won't fail to configure |
| 03:42.22 | purple_cow | openssl i know about |
| 03:42.56 | purple_cow | where does it fail on dbus? |
| 03:43.18 | scanlime | erf.. it's already past the end of my scrollback buffer |
| 03:43.30 | scanlime | IIRC it was just trying to link it |
| 03:43.54 | scanlime | could be you remove code that uses it at configure-time, but don't remove it from LIBS |
| 03:45.09 | purple_cow | it shouldn't even be adding it if it doesn't find it |
| 03:45.31 | purple_cow | wait, did you have to install any dbus dev stuff *other* than libdbus-glib? |
| 03:46.13 | purple_cow | oh, i see |
| 03:48.15 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9725 10xchat-gnome/configure.ac: check for dbus in addition to dbus-glib |
| 03:48.18 | purple_cow | hopefully that fixes it |
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| 03:54.09 | scanlime | woo |
| 03:54.13 | scanlime | it's xchat-gnome |
| 03:54.21 | scanlime | with spell-checkery |
| 03:54.23 | scanlime | and widgets galore |
| 03:54.52 | scanlime | mmmm |
| 03:54.54 | scanlime | this is great |
| 03:55.09 | purple_cow | :) |
| 03:56.15 | purple_cow | try OSD! |
| 03:56.18 | purple_cow | it's cooler |
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| 04:00.41 | scanlime | is it supposed to show me the message itself on the OSD, or just tell me that a message was received? |
| 04:02.34 | purple_cow | scanlime: you probably have an old notification-daemon |
| 04:02.49 | scanlime | ah |
| 04:05.13 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r629 10docs/design/design.tex: start in on fixing up UI section to be relatively coherent |
| 04:14.44 | ChipX86 | bzflag with Jamie time |
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| 04:18.14 | Veight | hey |
| 04:19.33 | darth_mall | shh! |
| 04:20.52 | Veight | k |
| 04:21.53 | ChipX86 | anyone want to join us? |
| 04:28.57 | purple_cow | yes, but doing it on the TV makes my brain hurt |
| 04:32.58 | lurgy | ugh |
| 04:33.00 | lurgy | worst convo ever |
| 04:33.14 | lurgy | now my brain is sore |
| 04:33.35 | purple_cow | haha, simson? |
| 04:33.42 | lurgy | yeah |
| 04:33.46 | purple_cow | poor bastard |
| 04:33.49 | lurgy | "good evening everyone... |
| 04:34.06 | lurgy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.11 | lurgy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.18 | darth_mall | yay |
| 04:34.20 | lurgy | i had no idea what i was getting myself into |
| 04:34.54 | lurgy | it was like 2001, except the music was boring, and there were no interesting visuals, and it was in german |
| 04:35.35 | slimspace | yay, apache is happy on my laptop |
| 04:35.38 | darth_mall | yum |
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| 04:37.27 | darth_mall | purple_cow: we had talked a while ago about an application factory for smrt, would that replace the ApplicationManager or work with it? |
| 04:37.39 | purple_cow | it works with it |
| 04:38.15 | purple_cow | basically it's a way of separating Application instances from their particular launcher |
| 04:38.17 | darth_mall | ok, that's what I thought |
| 04:38.33 | darth_mall | so the ApplicationManager uses the factory to launch the applications |
| 04:38.42 | purple_cow | right |
| 04:40.10 | purple_cow | liar |
| 04:40.43 | purple_cow | bleh |
| 04:40.53 | purple_cow | i'm being terribly inefficient at working on this =P |
| 04:41.11 | slimspace | hmm...seems I wrote more in our design document than I thought |
| 04:43.28 | nullpuppy | sake is an excellent answer to word blocks |
| 04:43.58 | purple_cow | especially this stuff :D |
| 04:44.11 | nullpuppy | :) |
| 04:44.53 | purple_cow | mmmmm |
| 04:48.30 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 04:48.38 | purple_cow | gnome lets you map right-alt to compose |
| 04:48.47 | purple_cow | yay for having a compose key on my laptop now! |
| 04:49.02 | darth_mall | compose? |
| 04:49.18 | purple_cow | hold compose, type a', and you get á |
| 04:49.31 | darth_mall | oh |
| 04:49.32 | purple_cow | same for n~ -> ñ |
| 04:51.47 | darth_mall | why the hell do I have 3 Java Control Panels in my Preferences menu |
| 04:51.56 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r630 10docs/design/design.tex: more changes |
| 04:59.44 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r631 10docs/design/design.tex: Spell check and some nonsense about the application manager. |
| 05:01.48 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r632 10docs/design/design.tex: rename "User Interface" section to "User Interface Elements", add a section heading for "Default User Interface" (need to find a better name), and a section heading for "Classes" |
| 05:03.48 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r633 10docs/design/design.tex: Add a reference to the section on app configuration. |
| 05:04.03 | darth_mall | oooh... Batman Begins is out on DVD |
| 05:04.14 | darth_mall | purple_cow: likes like sake makes you more prolific ^^ |
| 05:04.19 | darth_mall | s/likes/looks/ |
| 05:04.42 | rioter | http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/foxrecipe.JPG |
| 05:04.42 | purple_cow | yes |
| 05:04.47 | purple_cow | this is a trend i have been noticing |
| 05:05.01 | purple_cow | it's a lot easier for me to do homework with some of the ol' alcohol in me |
| 05:05.11 | purple_cow | rioter: hahahaha |
| 05:05.17 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 05:09.22 | *** join/#tacobeam JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 05:15.34 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r634 10docs/design/design.tex: bunch of empty subsections for various classes we'll want to talk about |
| 05:19.55 | purple_cow | argh |
| 05:19.58 | scanlime | yay.. I can still use inkscape with ye olde touchpad |
| 05:20.04 | purple_cow | i hate how when evince crashes it takes down all instances of itself |
| 05:20.35 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r635 10docs/design/design.tex: Mention the launch function. |
| 05:21.10 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r636 10docs/design/design.tex: add a crummy paragraph for the "Classes" section that says what the subsections are about. This sounds pretty terrible to me right now, but I can't think of any ways to improve it |
| 05:22.28 | scanlime | http://zero.navi.cx/~micah/esquilax-175x115.png |
| 05:22.48 | purple_cow | what's that? |
| 05:23.04 | scanlime | the first step in any project |
| 05:24.00 | darth_mall | alcohol? |
| 05:24.10 | scanlime | a logo |
| 05:24.21 | scanlime | but alcohol might help |
| 05:27.02 | lurgy | hiya scanlime |
| 05:27.05 | scanlime | 1. Logo |
| 05:27.06 | scanlime | 2. Alcohol |
| 05:27.08 | scanlime | 3. Wiki page |
| 05:27.10 | scanlime | 4. ???? |
| 05:27.11 | scanlime | 5. PROFIT |
| 05:27.30 | lurgy | heh |
| 05:27.41 | lurgy | and step 4 probably involves alcohol as well |
| 05:27.49 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:27.54 | scanlime | :) |
| 05:31.09 | nullpuppy | drunken coding? |
| 05:32.45 | nullpuppy | hmm, is there anything really different between bread flour and regular flour? |
| 05:33.04 | numist | nullpuppy: they tell me there is, but I never noticed. I must be a heathe |
| 05:33.06 | numist | +n |
| 05:33.15 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 05:33.16 | nullpuppy | ok |
| 05:33.40 | nullpuppy | might try baking some tomorrow night |
| 05:34.01 | nullpuppy | although.. will probably end up just waiting until friday or saturday due to time needed.. |
| 05:35.49 | ChipX86 | silly kids on bzflag |
| 05:35.59 | ChipX86 | "Hey! You should be called ChimpX86 lol" |
| 05:36.10 | ChipX86 | "And why's that?" "Because you're a limp chimp lol" |
| 05:37.08 | nullpuppy | you should respond to *cry* I'm gonna go tell my mommy on you! |
| 05:37.08 | purple_cow | haha |
| 05:37.13 | nullpuppy | and then logoff |
| 05:37.31 | nullpuppy | erm respond to that with .... |
| 05:37.40 | nullpuppy | my brain ain't working so well today |
| 05:38.06 | lurgy | or perhaps that that 'i' is awfully funny for an 'a' |
| 05:38.11 | rioter | haha and microsoft say they dont outsource |
| 05:38.14 | rioter | look at this error i just got |
| 05:38.16 | lurgy | s/funny/funny lookin/ |
| 05:38.17 | rioter | 'your device is running a new version of the .net framework that is required' |
| 05:39.43 | scanlime | rioter: it may surprise you, but a lot of people living in the US (and even born in the US) just don't have perfect grammar |
| 05:39.48 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r637 10docs/design/design.tex: add a section on the Context, including a neat way to notate our method definitions |
| 05:40.34 | purple_cow | nullpuppy: no |
| 05:40.51 | purple_cow | the proper way to respond to that is "*cry* I'm gonna go tell my mommy on you! lol" |
| 05:42.05 | darth_mall | purple_cow: cute |
| 05:43.03 | purple_cow | :) |
| 05:43.38 | darth_mall | my hands smell funny |
| 05:44.38 | nullpuppy | purple_cow: oh, right, my mistake |
| 05:44.46 | nullpuppy | thanks for correcting me :) |
| 05:46.34 | darth_mall | kergoth: welcome |
| 05:47.24 | kergoth | interview(s) went pretty well, methinks, though i couldnt answer a couple questions well, mostly because of a lack of information from them about the positions |
| 05:47.30 | kergoth | talked to like 6-7 people at hte company |
| 05:47.41 | kergoth | 2 of which were telecommuters.. phone interviews. fun. |
| 05:47.45 | scanlime | purple_cow: how do I reconfigure zero's wiki to enable uploads? |
| 05:48.12 | nullpuppy | kergoth: whoa... what now? you interviewed in NC for a job? |
| 05:48.15 | kergoth | yep |
| 05:48.21 | kergoth | at rpath.com |
| 05:48.23 | nullpuppy | for what? |
| 05:48.25 | nullpuppy | ah |
| 05:48.33 | darth_mall | kergoth: are you a hitman? |
| 05:48.48 | kergoth | they do tools and infrastructure and stuff for building and maintaining (essentially) linux distros and forks of distros. |
| 05:48.58 | kergoth | its kinda like openembedded, which is likely why they're interested |
| 05:49.07 | kergoth | likely a position developing distribution build tools |
| 05:49.11 | nullpuppy | ah, neat |
| 05:49.14 | nullpuppy | cool |
| 05:49.22 | scanlime | ah, I guess I can just edit LocalSettings.php directly |
| 05:49.29 | nullpuppy | would you have to relocate to NC? |
| 05:49.32 | kergoth | yeah |
| 05:49.48 | kergoth | but my gf is in charleston, sc, not 5 hours from there.. and she'd much prefer we be in a warmer climate than MN |
| 05:49.50 | kergoth | so that works |
| 05:50.04 | nullpuppy | thats cool |
| 05:51.00 | nullpuppy | well.. good luck man ;) |
| 05:51.13 | rioter | kergoth australia :P |
| 05:51.21 | kergoth | thatd be warm indeed |
| 05:51.25 | kergoth | thanks :) |
| 05:51.38 | rioter | well not right now |
| 05:51.44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:51.46 | rioter | its like 15C atm |
| 05:51.50 | rioter | and raining :( |
| 05:52.07 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r638 10docs/design/ (Makefile design.tex): Pictures! |
| 05:52.12 | rioter | i actually think the ocean is a few degrees warmer atm |
| 05:52.46 | purple_cow | huh, weird |
| 05:53.01 | purple_cow | there are lots of users registered for zero's wiki... |
| 05:53.49 | purple_cow | hah, wow |
| 05:54.01 | purple_cow | the talk for Main_Page has been churning with spam |
| 05:54.36 | darth_mall | who likes pants? |
| 05:55.30 | ChipX86 | I like pants! |
| 05:55.48 | kergoth | i prefer shorts. so there. |
| 05:56.04 | rioter | i havent worn a pair of shorts in over 4 years now |
| 05:56.10 | kergoth | aw |
| 05:56.26 | rioter | well out and about, i have to the beach |
| 05:56.36 | rioter | because swimming in pants would just look silly |
| 05:57.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:57.31 | kergoth | and likely uncomfy |
| 05:58.19 | kergoth | nullpuppy: so apparently this rpath company has a pile of like 15 major geeks working for it |
| 05:58.28 | kergoth | nullpuppy: including eric drumman(sp?) who was the first engineer at redhat |
| 05:58.35 | kergoth | seems like a cool place to work |
| 06:00.38 | nullpuppy | cool |
| 06:03.08 | darth_mall | oh my god |
| 06:03.13 | darth_mall | this is the best music video I've ever seen |
| 06:03.43 | nullpuppy | which? |
| 06:03.59 | darth_mall | something my brother had to do for a class |
| 06:04.00 | darth_mall | it's so funny |
| 06:04.08 | kergoth | i love the new music video from nin |
| 06:04.08 | nullpuppy | ah, cool |
| 06:04.22 | darth_mall | it's this really terrible local jam band called The Tao Jones |
| 06:04.39 | darth_mall | they just got footage from about 8 cameras of the band jamming in front of a blue screen |
| 06:04.51 | darth_mall | and my brother just put a bunch of really random pictures behind them |
| 06:05.03 | darth_mall | like dinosaurs, the oval office... a wet ferret?! |
| 06:05.03 | ChipX86 | http://www.kokogiak.com/amazon/ |
| 06:05.04 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 06:05.56 | rioter | i dont see whats so wierd about a wet ferret |
| 06:06.06 | darth_mall | rioter: you need to see the video |
| 06:06.17 | kergoth | i want a ferret |
| 06:06.24 | darth_mall | you should get at least two |
| 06:06.28 | kergoth | so it can chew through the ropes when my hands are tied |
| 06:06.30 | kergoth | and stuff |
| 06:06.31 | darth_mall | that way they can keep each other entertained |
| 06:06.43 | rioter | haha i listen to metal, ive seen some horrible low budget video clips from europe, nothing can wierd me out :P |
| 06:06.58 | darth_mall | congratulations |
| 06:07.15 | *** join/#tacobeam spooklight (n=jamie@adsl-68-127-48-182.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 06:07.19 | darth_mall | anyway, he says he's going to put it online |
| 06:07.38 | spooklight | i heard something about a wet ferret......? |
| 06:07.46 | darth_mall | in my brother's music video |
| 06:07.57 | kergoth | hey spooklight |
| 06:07.58 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 06:08.00 | darth_mall | I'm sure I'll make everyone watch it when it gets on the internet |
| 06:08.02 | nullpuppy | hey spooklight |
| 06:08.04 | spooklight | kergoth, hello :) |
| 06:08.11 | numist | hey, its spooklight |
| 06:08.11 | spooklight | nullpuppy, hi :) |
| 06:08.26 | numist | funny, spooklight joins and just sits |
| 06:08.30 | pfault_ | must |
| 06:08.33 | pfault_ | play WoW |
| 06:08.55 | numist | hah |
| 06:09.17 | ChipX86 | yay, xml.amazon.com |
| 06:09.55 | numist | ChipX86: you are a nutter. |
| 06:09.59 | nullpuppy | http://www.kokogiak.com/amazon/detpage.asp?sb=o&asin=B00005B0BL |
| 06:10.03 | nullpuppy | thats kinda neat |
| 06:10.24 | kergoth | neat |
| 06:11.11 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 06:11.16 | ChipX86 | can't find tagging support in their API |
| 06:11.29 | nullpuppy | tagging for what? |
| 06:11.58 | ChipX86 | products |
| 06:12.03 | nullpuppy | ah, ok |
| 06:14.22 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r639 10docs/design/design.tex: StateController definition |
| 06:15.28 | purple_cow | darth_mall: don't suppose you'd be willing to modify the uml diagrams to match that definition? |
| 06:15.38 | purple_cow | i've simplified it from the prototype implementation somewhat |
| 06:15.51 | darth_mall | no worries |
| 06:16.16 | purple_cow | man this is weird |
| 06:16.21 | purple_cow | i finally switched to a modern cursor theme |
| 06:17.04 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r640 10docs/design/design.tex: Spell check, and some explanation of menus. |
| 06:17.14 | darth_mall | modern cursor theme? |
| 06:17.49 | purple_cow | e.g. something not builtin-X |
| 06:18.57 | darth_mall | scary |
| 06:19.04 | darth_mall | is this another bmg thing? |
| 06:19.41 | numist | haha this is the best most useless simple package ever |
| 06:20.02 | numist | tleds - blinks keyboard LEDs for TX and RX network packets |
| 06:20.08 | purple_cow | darth_mall: maybe? look at your mouse preferences |
| 06:20.13 | purple_cow | see if you have the industrial theme :) |
| 06:20.13 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 06:20.15 | nullpuppy | numist: haha, that'd be kinda neat |
| 06:20.16 | kergoth | new tshirthell shirts |
| 06:20.24 | kergoth | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=558 |
| 06:20.24 | numist | nullpuppy: its really neat |
| 06:20.33 | darth_mall | hah! that's Doogie Howser |
| 06:20.35 | *** topic/#tacobeam by purple_cow -> ooples and banoonoos! |
| 06:20.35 | kergoth | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=555 |
| 06:20.40 | darth_mall | Neil Patrick Harris, I think is the actor's name |
| 06:21.07 | nullpuppy | yup |
| 06:21.42 | darth_mall | no industrial theme, but I do have themes... |
| 06:21.51 | darth_mall | oh... there it is |
| 06:22.24 | kergoth | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=554 |
| 06:23.07 | darth_mall | oh... this is the theme that ubuntu uses by default |
| 06:23.19 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 06:23.34 | purple_cow | darth_mall: yeah |
| 06:23.51 | purple_cow | i've seen it a little inside my ubuntu vm, but never really used it |
| 06:24.23 | ChipX86 | clearlooks? |
| 06:25.27 | kergoth | hah, http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=562 |
| 06:25.57 | purple_cow | ChipX86: cursor theme |
| 06:26.12 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 06:27.22 | darth_mall | ~cpr ChipX86 |
| 06:27.24 | jbot | ChipX86: <smoochu> :-* |
| 06:28.18 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r641 10docs/design/design.tex: change a few words |
| 06:28.23 | darth_mall | no words |
| 06:28.31 | purple_cow | argh |
| 06:29.09 | ChipX86 | booo last.fm + rhythmbox |
| 06:30.01 | scanlime | http://zero.navi.cx/wiki/Esquilax |
| 06:30.02 | darth_mall | purple_cow: you're using bold font for method names? |
| 06:30.09 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 06:30.12 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r642 10docs/design/design.tex: spacing |
| 06:30.19 | purple_cow | bold for method names & types, italic for arg names |
| 06:32.35 | scanlime | purple_cow: simpsons reference, plus near-acronym |
| 06:32.58 | scanlime | it's a horse, with the head of a rabbit.. and the body of a rabbit |
| 06:33.14 | scanlime | plus it's kind of a SQL for Asyncrhonous XML |
| 06:33.21 | kergoth | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=521 |
| 06:33.28 | scanlime | ooh, I'm starting to spell like raster :P |
| 06:35.03 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r643 10docs/design/design.tex: Using consistent formatting is a Good Thing (TM) |
| 06:37.44 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r644 10docs/design/design.tex: stick list of figures on its own page, since the contents page is really full |
| 06:40.36 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r645 10docs/design/design.tex: while it's great to copy filler text from the example, it helps to check whether the contents of that filler are germane to our particular document |
| 06:42.18 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r646 10docs/design/ (Makefile design.tex): Might as well include the Application diagram now |
| 06:46.02 | nullpuppy | arg |
| 06:46.11 | nullpuppy | fscking bridged networking isn't working |
| 06:47.36 | purple_cow | networking has nothing to do with fscking, damnit |
| 06:47.52 | ChipX86 | well obviously you're not doing it right then |
| 06:48.19 | nullpuppy | ChipX86: it's worked fine before |
| 06:48.33 | ChipX86 | that was directed to purple_cow |
| 06:48.38 | nullpuppy | oh :) |
| 06:48.53 | nullpuppy | i have noticed, though, that multiple bridged connections won't work.. |
| 06:49.22 | nullpuppy | can't bridge vmnetX to eth1 for some odd reason... the connection never comes up.. |
| 06:49.27 | nullpuppy | but anyways |
| 06:50.02 | numist | ouch tleds causes a lot of problems though |
| 06:50.13 | ChipX86 | why don't I have a Run menu item in Breezy? :/ |
| 06:50.41 | purple_cow | maybe they want you to use deskbar? ;) |
| 06:50.56 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 06:51.10 | nullpuppy | grrr... the bridge is up, eth1 is up, it vmnet0 should work.. but it won't |
| 06:53.38 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo (n=lalo@plone/lalo) |
| 06:56.03 | kergoth | http://lua-users.org/wiki/LazySort looks interesting |
| 06:56.17 | kergoth | (even for those who dont give a shit about lua) |
| 07:03.20 | darth_mall | I want a supercollider from pikea |
| 07:04.08 | nullpuppy | me too! |
| 07:04.42 | darth_mall | too much work |
| 07:05.40 | purple_cow | huh |
| 07:05.43 | purple_cow | greek letter sampi? |
| 07:05.47 | purple_cow | Ϡ |
| 07:06.08 | purple_cow | that looks pretty cool, but i have no clue what it is |
| 07:06.51 | purple_cow | i usually just fire up gucharmap |
| 07:10.47 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r647 10docs/design/design.tex: note to self |
| 07:11.41 | purple_cow | right now i'm just scrolling through gucharmap looking at the pretty letters |
| 07:14.17 | lurgy | hehe |
| 07:14.22 | lurgy | that's a fun activity |
| 07:14.37 | nullpuppy | http://www.croczilla.com/svg/samples/svgtetris/svgtetris.svg |
| 07:19.36 | kergoth | nullpuppy: haha, thats awesome |
| 07:24.48 | ChipX86 | last.fm is neat |
| 07:24.56 | numist | yay I fixored it |
| 07:25.03 | kergoth | ChipX86: indeed |
| 07:25.28 | kergoth | http://www.last.fm/user/kergoth/ |
| 07:30.41 | ChipX86 | neat |
| 07:33.54 | scanlime | kergoth: hah. that looks a lot like this 'pandora' thing I found yesterday |
| 07:34.32 | kergoth | hehe, i just read about pandora in someone's blog earlier. never looked at that. |
| 07:34.42 | kergoth | last.fm has been around for quite a while, previously as audioscrobbler |
| 07:34.57 | kergoth | meh, need caffeine |
| 07:51.50 | ChipX86 | do it |
| 07:51.53 | ChipX86 | we need to do that at work |
| 07:52.02 | dooky | what exactly is atk? |
| 07:52.14 | ChipX86 | Advanced TK |
| 07:52.16 | ChipX86 | it'll replace gtk soon |
| 07:52.38 | ChipX86 | we just need to finish porting VMware to TCL/TK |
| 07:52.52 | scanlime | nah, Perl/TK |
| 07:53.09 | scanlime | I bet we can virtualize x86 in one line with the help of Perl |
| 07:53.30 | ChipX86 | we already have! |
| 07:53.43 | ChipX86 | it's one massive regular expression for x86 bytecode |
| 07:53.51 | scanlime | ooh. what branch is that on? |
| 07:53.58 | ChipX86 | straight-to-hell |
| 07:54.13 | scanlime | nice. I should make a really giant P4 client and start compiling it in a VM |
| 07:54.38 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 08:06.25 | ChipX86 | last.fm is just too awesome |
| 08:06.42 | ChipX86 | their player isn't all that bad either |
| 08:06.46 | ChipX86 | though I need a good qt theme |
| 08:07.57 | purple_cow | oof |
| 08:08.01 | purple_cow | atk's documentation is a little thin |
| 08:08.07 | ChipX86 | yeah, so I've noticed :/ |
| 08:08.55 | purple_cow | ``Here's a bunch of GObjects! Have fun!'' |
| 08:10.15 | ChipX86 | I should set up trac |
| 08:10.40 | kergoth | yay trac |
| 08:10.54 | ChipX86 | can I turn off the wiki or somehow integrate it better with mediawiki? |
| 08:11.33 | kergoth | if you find out, let me know :P |
| 08:11.45 | ChipX86 | :/ that's my one concern |
| 08:15.35 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo (n=lalo@plone/lalo) |
| 08:18.25 | dooky | plone! |
| 08:18.38 | numist | its all set? |
| 08:18.40 | numist | how about perms |
| 08:19.12 | scanlime | purple_cow: x-g feature request! |
| 08:19.21 | purple_cow | scanlime: shoot |
| 08:19.37 | scanlime | purple_cow: "save transcript" needs a default filename.. I'm thinking something like "<nick>-<date>-<time>.log" |
| 08:19.52 | scanlime | well, where 'nick' is the nickname or channel you're saving |
| 08:20.47 | dooky | scanlime: #channel-YYYYMMDDhhmmss.txt |
| 08:20.48 | dooky | or smth |
| 08:20.52 | scanlime | it might also be nice to (optionally?) align the nicks in the log, and include timestamps |
| 08:20.58 | scanlime | dooky: that's what I said |
| 08:21.13 | dooky | scanlime: well I was reccomending a slightly more detailed format than you suggested |
| 08:21.17 | dooky | or clarifying for myself |
| 08:21.24 | scanlime | dooky: well I was recommending TACOS |
| 08:21.26 | dooky | or something |
| 08:21.31 | dooky | scanlime: that sounds good atm |
| 08:21.56 | scanlime | purple_cow: could even take gaim's approach and same the logs in HTML, to make aligning columns and preserving colors pretty easy to do |
| 08:22.01 | scanlime | s/same/save/ |
| 08:22.16 | purple_cow | scanlime: right now the saving is done by xtext |
| 08:22.20 | purple_cow | so i don't really want to touch it |
| 08:22.23 | scanlime | aw |
| 08:22.26 | purple_cow | but i can do the chooser stuff |
| 08:22.33 | dooky | scanlime: then wait a few years and alienate all your devs and overwrite their svn changes? |
| 08:23.21 | numist | agreed |
| 08:23.29 | dooky | scanlime: let me do option A, so I can't feel option B. |
| 08:23.30 | numist | he's got rum, unless he polished it off already |
| 08:23.39 | dooky | numist: no , not gone yet |
| 08:23.46 | numist | excellent |
| 08:25.55 | scanlime | I'm gonna have to try last.fm |
| 08:25.59 | scanlime | but for now, bedtime |
| 08:25.59 | ChipX86 | it's nice |
| 08:26.04 | ChipX86 | g'night |
| 08:26.32 | ChipX86 | wow, lots of /var/svn/galago/db/revs/* files |
| 08:26.37 | kergoth | thanks chip, for reminding me to fix my audioscrobbler/last.fm setup. plugin was being hokey. all good now |
| 08:26.42 | scanlime | hm |
| 08:26.50 | ChipX86 | and revprops files |
| 08:26.55 | scanlime | purple_cow: is the 'information' item on the context menu for a server supposed to do nothing? |
| 08:26.58 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 08:26.59 | purple_cow | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2005-November/msg00087.html |
| 08:27.04 | purple_cow | scanlime: right |
| 08:27.10 | purple_cow | same reason Network->Information is greyed out |
| 08:27.39 | scanlime | is it just not implemented yet? seems like it should be grayed out on the context menu too :) |
| 08:27.54 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 08:29.07 | scanlime | ooh.. good to know I wasn't totally crazy to suggest a model/view split |
| 08:29.17 | scanlime | but I'm curious what the interface to their model looks like |
| 08:31.32 | purple_cow | scanlime: their model just has a get-root function |
| 08:31.38 | scanlime | hmm, I see |
| 08:32.12 | purple_cow | it looks like you could support large stuff with some custom items |
| 08:32.16 | scanlime | that would work fine if containers were responsible for organizing and querying their children.. |
| 08:32.56 | scanlime | but it looks like groups just provide an array of children |
| 08:32.57 | scanlime | not useful |
| 08:34.06 | scanlime | ahh |
| 08:34.08 | scanlime | there's the meat of it |
| 08:34.14 | scanlime | goo_canvas_group_view_paint() |
| 08:34.33 | scanlime | that's just a silly O(N) bounding box test thingy |
| 08:34.40 | scanlime | but it could be replaced |
| 08:34.47 | scanlime | so.. not bad |
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| 08:36.08 | scanlime | looks like you could implement a quadtree storage, on-the-fly generation of items, or whatever just by writing your own group items |
| 08:36.41 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 08:37.02 | scanlime | cool |
| 08:37.11 | purple_cow | welp, if i don't end up doing SexyCanvas for independent study credit, i may be abandoning that branch |
| 08:37.17 | numist | night scanlime |
| 09:43.02 | purple_cow | whoa |
| 09:43.05 | purple_cow | whoa whoa whoa |
| 09:44.40 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 09:44.46 | purple_cow | http://david.navi.cx/tmp/whoa.png |
| 09:44.59 | kergoth | whoa |
| 09:45.00 | ChipX86 | firefox 1.5? |
| 09:45.04 | purple_cow | no |
| 09:45.17 | purple_cow | http://svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk/wasabi/images/playstation.png |
| 09:45.34 | ChipX86 | woah |
| 09:46.05 | ChipX86 | I don't see that image on the playfuls.com site |
| 09:47.10 | purple_cow | http://www.playfuls.com/news_0255_Sonys_PlayStations_2_and_3_To_Contain_Parental_Controls.html |
| 09:47.25 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 09:47.39 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 09:48.25 | purple_cow | that's really something i never expected to see |
| 09:48.40 | purple_cow | though i suppose... |
| 09:48.41 | purple_cow | http://images.google.com/images?q=playstation&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images |
| 09:48.48 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 09:48.48 | purple_cow | lotta google juice there |
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| 09:49.16 | ChipX86 | yay google juice |
| 09:52.54 | purple_cow | still |
| 09:52.54 | purple_cow | whoa |
| 09:53.01 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 09:57.15 | purple_cow | huh |
| 09:57.30 | purple_cow | philip glass is playing a solo concert at the boulder theater |
| 10:03.10 | purple_cow | ooh |
| 10:03.17 | purple_cow | the uncyclopedia article on GNOME has grown :) |
| 10:03.32 | purple_cow | ``Havoc Pennington, their chief anti-feature crusader, is directly responsible for the removal of nearly 47614 features, making him the world's most productive destruction engineer. Critics say that this hampers their ability to goof off during work, but he defensively claims that "it's for your own good" and occasionally mutters "we KNOW where you're going today."'' |
| 10:04.37 | ChipX86 | ... |
| 10:04.54 | ChipX86 | oh, uncyclopedia |
| 10:06.39 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 10:07.14 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 10:07.19 | purple_cow | i love the X-Windows article |
| 10:07.25 | purple_cow | it's so true |
| 10:07.26 | ChipX86 | nice, they used the word "Interweb" on House |
| 10:08.18 | purple_cow | ``There's not one but two clipboards, and three if you're using GNOME or KDE. They're reasonably easy to keep separate unless you're using Firefox or Opera — which everyone does — because both of those deliberately mangle them. HA-ha!'' |
| 10:09.45 | ChipX86 | bed time for me. g'nighjt |
| 10:09.53 | purple_cow | 'nighjt |
| 10:28.43 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo_ (n=lalo@plone/lalo) |
| 10:40.40 | purple_cow | http://gunth.com/brickquest/ |
| 11:42.55 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo (n=lalo@plone/lalo) |
| 13:48.10 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo (n=lalo@plone/lalo) |
| 16:50.15 | TD | ChipX86|Sleep, scanlime: I must congratulate you on the awesomeness of the vmware screenshots page |
| 16:50.28 | TD | i gotta admit, running windows in 256 colours with the theming switched off was a stroke of genius |
| 16:50.35 | file | lol |
| 16:50.48 | TD | i've never seen a more subtly biased screenshots page in my entire life. you guys are wasted on software, you should be in advertising |
| 17:26.25 | scanlime | heh |
| 17:27.04 | scanlime | TD: ChipX86|Sleep only did the linux screenshots, we had no control over how crappy the windows screenshots already looked |
| 17:31.54 | TD | really? |
| 17:31.57 | TD | that's amazing |
| 17:32.09 | TD | it almost looks like deliberate sabotage they're so awful :) |
| 17:34.47 | scanlime | isn't it? And I don't think anything's actually running in 256 colors.. the web guys just converted some of the screenshots to GIF for no reason |
| 17:34.50 | scanlime | :P |
| 17:35.18 | scanlime | huh |
| 17:35.26 | file | scanlime: you should have given them your image that ends up using lots and lots of memory |
| 17:35.29 | file | as punishment |
| 17:35.38 | scanlime | heh |
| 17:37.21 | darth_mall | pants? |
| 17:37.45 | darth_mall | crap, I think I'm going to be late to lab |
| 17:38.21 | darth_mall | although it looks like we might not have lab today |
| 17:38.49 | darth_mall | but I'd probably better go just in case |
| 17:38.58 | darth_mall | I can always just sit in the library and get some work done |
| 17:40.17 | TD | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_Manufacturing_Process_Pictures |
| 17:40.17 | TD | wow |
| 17:40.36 | TD | i had no idea it was so .... manual |
| 17:40.41 | TD | scanlime: ah right. yeah. gif. makes sense - not |
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| 17:53.27 | hardwire | wow |
| 17:53.32 | hardwire | greylisting has totally killed our spam issues |
| 17:54.17 | numist | excellent |
| 17:56.30 | file | hardwire: voicechangedial is COOL |
| 17:56.44 | hardwire | whazzatyo? |
| 17:56.52 | file | it changes your voice on outgoing calls, the pitch |
| 18:00.09 | hardwire | bah |
| 18:00.19 | hardwire | voicenormalizerthing would be cooler |
| 18:00.35 | hardwire | but I may have to play with that voicechangedial |
| 18:00.39 | hardwire | is it EAGI or something? |
| 18:02.26 | TD | hardwire: what's greylisting? |
| 18:03.44 | hardwire | TD: before an smtp recieve can transpire, a middle-man agent checks the ip/domain/recipient/sender and attemps to match that to a whitelist or appends it to a greylist. |
| 18:03.58 | hardwire | if appended to a greylist it sends back (450 Go away for a few seconds then try again) |
| 18:04.29 | hardwire | all 4xx errors require the sending SMTP server to try again later |
| 18:04.37 | hardwire | a "valid" smtp server that is. |
| 18:04.43 | file | saweet the work server is dead |
| 18:04.49 | file | can anyone ping 66.250.69.250? |
| 18:05.03 | hardwire | file: nope |
| 18:05.16 | hardwire | TD: so after so many retries.. it passes it as valid. |
| 18:05.21 | file | ah, I have an idea |
| 18:05.36 | hardwire | it takes like.. 5-30 minutes to get mail from new senders unfortunatly. |
| 18:05.58 | hardwire | and sometimes a sender will go through an smtp server that constantly load balances outgoing mail, so different IP's which make this tricky. |
| 18:06.04 | hardwire | so you have to loosen up the rules a little |
| 18:07.05 | hardwire | TD: either way it totally blocked all virii that send themselves by their own means, since they don't say "ok.. I will try to infect you later" in most cases. |
| 18:07.16 | file | I love network issues |
| 18:07.22 | hardwire | as well as lots of spam servers that don't want to deal with retries. |
| 18:08.57 | file | woot pushing 60Mbps |
| 18:10.26 | darth_mall | yay! we get to watch Christian code today |
| 18:10.34 | hardwire | I think I should classify this persons email address as spam automatically for one month.. and they have to search through and find valids to mark as innocent. |
| 18:10.38 | hardwire | that should train this a little easier. |
| 18:10.54 | hardwire | if he hadn't signed upf or every advertisement known to man.. |
| 18:11.33 | hardwire | file: pinging now |
| 18:14.27 | darth_mall | else if(cmd.equals("Advanced Mode")) { af = new ExpertChoiceFactory(this); setVisible(false); setJMenuBar(af.getMenuBar()); setVisible(true); } |
| 18:14.31 | darth_mall | all on one line... |
| 18:14.41 | darth_mall | and people claim Python is evil for forcing you to use line breaks... |
| 18:16.12 | TD | hardwire: hmm |
| 18:16.26 | TD | hardwire: sounds like a hack to me ... only a matter of time before spammers start using smtp servers that know how to retry |
| 18:16.38 | ChipX86 | TD: yeah isn't it wonderful? I love how crappy the Windows ones look |
| 18:16.47 | TD | it's unbelievable |
| 18:16.49 | ChipX86 | you wouldn't believe how hard it was to get them to keep these in png this time |
| 18:16.50 | hardwire | TD: thats what I first thought.. spammers adapt. |
| 18:17.00 | ChipX86 | they still resized them, but keeping them in png was a major step |
| 18:17.04 | hardwire | TD: http://www.greylisting.org/ |
| 18:17.06 | ChipX86 | required talking to a few different managers |
| 18:17.06 | hardwire | second paragraph |
| 18:17.13 | TD | ok |
| 18:17.28 | darth_mall | booooooooring |
| 18:18.06 | hardwire | TD: greylisting could be used to set up site-wide blacklist policies as well when that becomes more standardized. |
| 18:18.13 | TD | ok |
| 18:18.30 | hardwire | TD: I understand the hack nature of it. |
| 18:18.30 | ChipX86 | TD: did you see my name snuck in there? :) |
| 18:21.20 | nullpuppy | oooooooh, 5.5 is out |
| 18:21.53 | numist | yay 5.5 |
| 18:22.07 | numist | and libview 0.5.5 (hey, they share a version number!) |
| 18:22.39 | nullpuppy | hehe, yup |
| 18:22.52 | nullpuppy | i noticed that last night when chippy posted the link to view.sf.net |
| 18:23.00 | nullpuppy | ok.. hmm... /me wonders if he gets a free upgrade |
| 18:23.38 | numist | you do |
| 18:23.48 | darth_mall | http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/temporary/PBF073ADScorpy.jpg |
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| 18:37.18 | darth_mall | http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/temporary/PBF026ADTheAreBack.jpg |
| 18:37.40 | CIA-9 | numi-misc: 03numist * r175 10configs/irssi/ (dancer_forwardfix.pl format_identify.pl): for djc and jauricchio, and maybe even nik if he wants 'em |
| 18:42.16 | nullpuppy | w00t! upgraded to 5.5 |
| 18:43.29 | file | ya |
| 18:43.32 | file | er yay |
| 18:43.47 | darth_mall | I like how Christian uses "Java" and "Swing" interchangeably |
| 18:44.31 | *** join/#tacobeam galen (n=asdf@63.227.33.229) |
| 18:55.55 | nullpuppy | how do you list the db's stored in mysql again? |
| 18:56.24 | nullpuppy | ah, there we go |
| 18:56.26 | nullpuppy | nm |
| 18:58.18 | darth_mall | hahaha... http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/temporary/PBF072BCInstantBacon.jpg |
| 19:00.54 | darth_mall | I am so freaking bored right now |
| 19:01.49 | scanlime | ooh... |
| 19:01.51 | hardwire | you know you are in deep shit when the only term of endearment you can think of on demand is "Smooky" |
| 19:01.57 | scanlime | mediterannean wraps for lunch today |
| 19:02.26 | hardwire | scanlime: roasted red pepper sauce on spinach? |
| 19:02.26 | numist | hrm |
| 19:02.26 | numist | lunch in 30 here |
| 19:02.42 | scanlime | this is more of the lamb, beef, and pita with hummus style :P |
| 19:02.53 | darth_mall | mm.... lamb |
| 19:03.07 | darth_mall | I wasn't hungry until righ tnow |
| 19:03.19 | scanlime | guh, so much spam about this downtime for the network between us and EMC |
| 19:03.25 | scanlime | I didn't even know EMC had a network :P |
| 19:08.17 | darth_mall | I'm bored |
| 19:08.43 | darth_mall | I should have left when Christian said we didn't have to turn anything in |
| 19:19.04 | scanlime | wow. the manpage for gethostid(2) is entertaining |
| 19:25.26 | TD | hmm? |
| 19:25.31 | TD | scanlime: it is? i don't see anything special there |
| 19:26.00 | scanlime | a 32-bit ID, unique among all UNIX systems, with no mention of how it magically gets assigned is kind of entertaining to me |
| 19:30.46 | TD | oh |
| 19:30.49 | TD | heh. |
| 19:30.53 | TD | that's true |
| 19:31.00 | TD | i didn't read carefully enough. i assumed it was talking about MAC addresses |
| 19:31.04 | TD | but they're 64 bits and not UNIX specific |
| 19:31.38 | scanlime | right |
| 19:31.56 | scanlime | er, 64-bit? |
| 19:32.07 | scanlime | last I checked, they were 48-bit :P |
| 19:34.32 | purple_cow | scanlime: http://david.navi.cx/tmp/whoa.png |
| 19:35.30 | scanlime | saw that :) |
| 19:35.43 | scanlime | not sure whether to be annoyed or flattered |
| 19:35.47 | scanlime | they scaled it all ugly-like |
| 19:36.49 | scanlime | heh, matt's been doing a lot of phone screens lately |
| 19:37.12 | scanlime | he's really fishing for the interviewee to tell him about open() and write()... |
| 19:37.59 | purple_cow | hahaha |
| 19:38.16 | purple_cow | tycho is reading ELotH:TES in today's PA :) |
| 19:39.42 | purple_cow | ooh, firefox 1.5 in portage |
| 19:40.15 | darth_mall | man that class makes me wish I were dead |
| 19:44.14 | darth_mall | purple_cow: did you get rid of the processEvent function in the state controller? |
| 19:44.47 | purple_cow | darth_mall: i didn't write it down because it wasn't important in the context of implementing the interactions |
| 19:45.11 | darth_mall | ok, should I only keep in the UML diagrams whatever is listed in the class section? |
| 19:46.42 | purple_cow | yeah, i think so |
| 19:46.49 | scanlime | oh, damnit |
| 19:46.55 | purple_cow | i'll be expanding the class stuff with implementation notes |
| 19:46.56 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r648 10docs/lib/figures/MediaCenter-uml.svg: Make some modifications to the StateController diagram to match the new design. |
| 19:47.06 | scanlime | so.. I was modifying some code that adds a new capability to the USB host controller |
| 19:47.24 | scanlime | I was getting really annoyed that my linux guest OS wasn't seeing that capability |
| 19:47.27 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r649 10docs/lib/figures/MediaCenter-uml.svg: Remove the processEvent function from the diagram |
| 19:47.38 | scanlime | I just realized that I've been changing out the USB controller without ever rebooting the guest |
| 19:50.15 | *** join/#tacobeam lurgy (n=lurgyman@71-211-160-89.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 19:51.20 | darth_mall | hi lurgy |
| 19:52.12 | lurgy | hi |
| 20:03.47 | darth_mall | typey typey |
| 20:05.51 | ChipX86 | oh man, that food and my stomach are not agreeing |
| 20:09.23 | darth_mall | =\ |
| 20:13.21 | ChipX86 | mmmm |
| 20:13.29 | ChipX86 | function go down the hoooooole |
| 20:17.47 | lurgy | hmm, how'd raffi get in here |
| 20:18.56 | lurgy | i should have done my 2nd sem. music history paper on raffi |
| 20:19.58 | lurgy | "raffi: obfuscated minimalism in children's music" |
| 20:20.28 | purple_cow | i'm glad *somebody* recognized it |
| 20:20.32 | purple_cow | well, either glad or sad, one of the two |
| 20:20.52 | lurgy | heh |
| 20:21.22 | darth_mall | recognized what now? |
| 20:22.58 | kergoth | Written on tank next to handle: |
| 20:22.59 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.59 | kergoth | Written below it: |
| 20:22.59 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.11 | kergoth | (from a bathroom wall in the Music department of a university) |
| 20:23.37 | numist | haha |
| 20:25.00 | darth_mall | oh |
| 20:26.30 | ChipX86 | should have written this in python |
| 20:26.57 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r650 10docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:26.57 | CIA-9 | smrt: Create a small UML diagram for the AppFactory, include it in the document, and |
| 20:26.57 | CIA-9 | smrt: talk about it briefly. |
| 20:28.18 | scanlime | mmmm |
| 20:28.20 | scanlime | good lunch |
| 20:28.34 | ChipX86 | very |
| 20:28.40 | ChipX86 | but my stomach is mad at me for eating it |
| 20:28.49 | scanlime | aw |
| 20:28.58 | scanlime | woo... |
| 20:28.58 | ChipX86 | which is a shame because that food is sooo delicious |
| 20:30.36 | darth_mall | you guys aren't helping me be less hungry |
| 20:30.52 | ChipX86 | wonder what's for dessert |
| 20:30.52 | kergoth | what food was that? |
| 20:31.05 | scanlime | baklava |
| 20:31.12 | ChipX86 | ahh |
| 20:31.19 | ChipX86 | baklava being what again? |
| 20:31.23 | scanlime | pff |
| 20:31.30 | ChipX86 | I forget the names :( |
| 20:31.32 | scanlime | remember those flaky square-shaped things? :P |
| 20:31.35 | ChipX86 | oh |
| 20:31.48 | scanlime | really rich |
| 20:31.56 | ChipX86 | what's the name of those little round balls of juicy ecstacy? |
| 20:32.03 | scanlime | I can never remember |
| 20:32.07 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 20:32.15 | scanlime | but those are indian, these are more greek |
| 20:32.18 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 20:32.23 | ChipX86 | just was hoping you remembered the name :) |
| 20:32.42 | scanlime | fuck you too, linux |
| 20:32.45 | ChipX86 | yeah! |
| 20:34.00 | ChipX86 | perl doesn't have a max function? |
| 20:40.41 | ChipX86 | oh this is beautiful |
| 20:41.48 | ChipX86 | beautiful but WRONG |
| 20:42.03 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r651 10docs/design/design.tex: I think that is a more robust description of menus and menu layouts. |
| 20:42.57 | ChipX86 | oh nope, I'm just confused |
| 20:43.15 | scanlime | now I'm waiting on three of these :P |
| 20:45.35 | ChipX86 | http://vmweb/~christian/deprecated-stats.txt |
| 20:45.50 | hardwire | meow |
| 20:46.05 | ChipX86 | perhaps I took this a bit too far |
| 20:46.23 | scanlime | hehe, cute |
| 20:46.38 | scanlime | I like the ASCII-art graphs |
| 20:46.45 | scanlime | I think I need some of those for the USB log |
| 20:51.11 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r652 10docs/design/design.tex: Speak more about the special case menus like FilesystemCity. |
| 20:53.56 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r653 10docs/design/design.tex: |
| 20:53.56 | CIA-9 | smrt: Move some stuff around to keep LaTeX from putting a line break in the middle of |
| 20:53.56 | CIA-9 | smrt: a function name. |
| 20:55.13 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r654 10docs/design/design.tex: Fix a reference. |
| 20:59.15 | ChipX86 | this script rocks |
| 20:59.22 | ChipX86 | later I should make it generic enough to process any .h or .hh file |
| 20:59.28 | ChipX86 | and do structs and typedefs too |
| 21:02.09 | purple_cow | oof |
| 21:02.31 | purple_cow | it is so painful to watch the professor click each field in the login box, then click the button |
| 21:07.21 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 21:08.54 | scanlime | oh, wow |
| 21:08.56 | scanlime | profitable day for CIA |
| 21:09.23 | ChipX86 | how much?: |
| 21:10.11 | scanlime | $5.98 today |
| 21:10.15 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 21:10.21 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.52 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r655 10docs/design/design.tex: Couple of typos. |
| 21:12.56 | ChipX86 | perl, stop being an idiot |
| 21:13.16 | kergoth | meh, i hope i find out whether i get this job soon |
| 21:16.31 | hardwire | whereatnow? |
| 21:16.56 | kergoth | rpath.com |
| 21:17.09 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9726 10xchat-gnome/plugins/dbus/ (8 files): apply dbus changes to separate plugin from xchat's version |
| 21:17.20 | hardwire | when lost.. take the r path. |
| 21:17.35 | galen | I perfer the high road |
| 21:17.39 | file | yay I'm getting Asterisk SVN access |
| 21:17.50 | hardwire | kergoth: err.. is that not going to bug you? |
| 21:18.05 | hardwire | file: well they had you blacklisted for the openpbx stunt right :) |
| 21:18.18 | pagefault | ugh |
| 21:18.24 | pagefault | apparently I have a fungus growing on my skin |
| 21:18.26 | pagefault | fun stuff |
| 21:18.38 | galen | hardwire: speaking of asterisk, time's a nearin' for that little black box of yours |
| 21:18.52 | hardwire | galen: make me make you an offer you can't refuse. |
| 21:19.17 | galen | $15k still sound good? |
| 21:19.37 | hardwire | I would rerun figures soon. |
| 21:19.50 | galen | coo |
| 21:19.53 | hardwire | coo indeed |
| 21:34.22 | ChipX86 | heh, love our printer naming convention |
| 21:34.37 | ChipX86 | Wind-Mill, Saw-Mill, Rumor-Mill, ... |
| 21:36.27 | scanlime | is there a Page-Mill? :P |
| 21:36.35 | ChipX86 | good question |
| 21:36.48 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 21:36.52 | scanlime | hehe |
| 21:36.57 | scanlime | wonder if that was the first one |
| 21:37.06 | ChipX86 | damn windows can't even find the printer outside my office |
| 21:37.10 | ChipX86 | linux can, but prints wrong |
| 21:38.01 | ChipX86 | and any network activity involving searching for printers blocks half the OS |
| 21:38.08 | ChipX86 | (on windows) |
| 21:43.30 | scanlime | sigh |
| 21:43.36 | scanlime | so many bugs I'm not sure what to do next |
| 21:43.48 | ChipX86 | make the vmx async? |
| 21:43.56 | scanlime | yes! |
| 21:43.59 | scanlime | except no |
| 21:45.27 | scanlime | hmmm |
| 21:45.31 | scanlime | maybe yes |
| 21:45.46 | scanlime | this might be a good time to experiment with a poll-less USB controller |
| 21:49.22 | ChipX86 | the sheets are up on The Wall |
| 21:54.41 | ChipX86 | gah |
| 21:54.49 | ChipX86 | how do you create a folder of keys in gconf? |
| 22:03.43 | ChipX86 | nm, got it |
| 22:04.36 | ChipX86 | aww, my music from last.fm is skipping |
| 22:05.40 | scanlime | aw, battery's low on my phone |
| 22:05.54 | scanlime | forgot to charge it for a day or two, and I left python running |
| 22:06.09 | ChipX86 | woops |
| 22:06.18 | scanlime | I need to get a headphone extension widget so I can play music off my windows box |
| 22:08.39 | hardwire | oh for the love of cheese file. |
| 22:08.49 | hardwire | one of the dweebs here wanted me to forward VM's to email. |
| 22:09.03 | scanlime | VMs and branches? |
| 22:09.10 | hardwire | well turns out he wanted it so that his blackberry would get the email and he would somehow read the voice message. |
| 22:09.22 | ChipX86 | a *lot* of people want to e-mail VMs |
| 22:09.25 | scanlime | hehe |
| 22:09.26 | ChipX86 | it's a common thing |
| 22:09.28 | ChipX86 | I don't understand it |
| 22:09.46 | hardwire | I do it for myself.. |
| 22:09.56 | hardwire | and al the travellers around here love it |
| 22:10.06 | ChipX86 | why? |
| 22:10.08 | file | I have my voicemail e-mailed to me, since I'm lazy |
| 22:10.14 | file | so I don't have to dial my voicemail pickup number |
| 22:10.30 | hardwire | ChipX86: it overcomes A.D.D. :) |
| 22:11.18 | scanlime | hrmph. Why are we using #pragma pack() in monitor code? |
| 22:11.36 | hardwire | it also allows us to have a policy here that for those people the operator should forward to voicemail when they are unavailable.. vs trying to reach them on their cell and loosing the purpose of the call if nobody is around. |
| 22:11.45 | hardwire | lots of messages around here get dropped on the floor |
| 22:11.59 | ChipX86 | e-mailing VMs is bad, mmkay? |
| 22:12.06 | ChipX86 | they're big files |
| 22:12.09 | ChipX86 | e-mail sucks as it is |
| 22:12.16 | hardwire | ChipX86: you can email links to vm's |
| 22:12.21 | ChipX86 | oh that's fine |
| 22:12.23 | hardwire | and its not that big |
| 22:12.24 | ChipX86 | I'm talking e-mailing actual VMs |
| 22:12.30 | hardwire | we include the actual VM's |
| 22:12.31 | ChipX86 | disks and all |
| 22:12.33 | ChipX86 | ... |
| 22:12.38 | hardwire | VM == VoiceMail |
| 22:12.42 | ChipX86 | OH |
| 22:12.45 | hardwire | HEH! |
| 22:12.55 | scanlime | no, VM != voicemail |
| 22:12.58 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:13.00 | ChipX86 | VM != voicemail |
| 22:13.02 | hardwire | there must be some real jerks who work there if they email VM's |
| 22:13.02 | scanlime | silly hardwire, trying to confuse us with misinformation |
| 22:13.02 | TD | people don't understand that files increase in size when sending them |
| 22:13.04 | ChipX86 | especially in this channel |
| 22:13.16 | file | lol |
| 22:13.21 | ChipX86 | this is a VMware-run channel now! |
| 22:13.22 | hardwire | ah.. I made that attention -> file. |
| 22:13.28 | hardwire | figured that would set the context |
| 22:14.18 | file | I like VMware. It is cool. |
| 22:14.27 | hardwire | not on blackberrys |
| 22:14.52 | ChipX86 | I wondered why you were putting a VM on a blackberry |
| 22:14.53 | ChipX86 | and how |
| 22:15.08 | purple_cow | yay, call from vmware very soon |
| 22:15.18 | hardwire | purple_cow: good luck |
| 22:15.36 | scanlime | I just wanted to say good luck, we're all counting on you. |
| 22:15.51 | file | don't let us down! |
| 22:15.57 | galen | man I can't believe I've worked next door to an nvidia shop for years and never scoped them out |
| 22:16.23 | galen | hardwire: was it you or ToyKeeper who thought of applying there? |
| 22:16.31 | galen | years abck |
| 22:16.36 | hardwire | galen: not me |
| 22:16.39 | galen | kk |
| 22:17.07 | hardwire | shit |
| 22:17.13 | hardwire | I got a big kit kat |
| 22:17.14 | hardwire | like |
| 22:17.27 | hardwire | its huge. |
| 22:17.42 | galen | send me half of it pls |
| 22:17.44 | hardwire | one .. big .. kit kat segment. |
| 22:18.03 | hardwire | its like the size of a screwdriver handle |
| 22:18.05 | ChipX86 | Philip came in with a little gem of code |
| 22:18.33 | hardwire | sarcastic gem? |
| 22:18.38 | ChipX86 | as follows.. the names have been changed to protect the guilty |
| 22:18.39 | hardwire | or woo woo sweet gem. |
| 22:18.50 | ChipX86 | void DoSomething(int fd) { DoRealThing((FILE *)fd); } |
| 22:18.56 | ChipX86 | now that's bad as it is |
| 22:18.57 | file | lol |
| 22:18.58 | ChipX86 | but it actually worked! |
| 22:19.04 | ChipX86 | so he investigated why... |
| 22:19.12 | ChipX86 | FILE *fp; |
| 22:19.13 | ChipX86 | ... |
| 22:19.15 | scanlime | oh wow |
| 22:19.18 | ChipX86 | DoSomething((int)fp); |
| 22:19.27 | scanlime | hehehe |
| 22:19.36 | ChipX86 | we might submit to thedailywtf |
| 22:19.48 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:19.50 | ChipX86 | it's old vmdb code |
| 22:20.17 | hardwire | so the VM disk structure is open know how? |
| 22:20.30 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 22:20.43 | hardwire | qemu comes with some tools to convert to/from vm disks |
| 22:20.47 | hardwire | vm/vmware |
| 22:20.55 | scanlime | hardwire: those only work with really really old vmware disks, last I checked |
| 22:20.57 | purple_cow | ChipX86: hehe |
| 22:21.01 | hardwire | scanlime: word. |
| 22:21.13 | ChipX86 | they very likely won't work with disks using snapshots |
| 22:21.37 | scanlime | hardwire: the format isn't all that complicated.. but people are lazy :P |
| 22:21.59 | hardwire | scanlime: I didn't know if it was protectorized. |
| 22:22.16 | scanlime | protectorized, eh |
| 22:22.17 | scanlime | no |
| 22:22.27 | scanlime | I mean.. some of our products support encrypted disks |
| 22:22.42 | scanlime | but I don't think anyone made the format confusing just for the sake of making it hard to figure out |
| 22:22.57 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 22:22.58 | hardwire | I sawa neat license plate the other daty. |
| 22:23.00 | hardwire | day. |
| 22:23.01 | ChipX86 | they'd be encrypted and stuff otherwise |
| 22:23.09 | hardwire | obfsk8 |
| 22:23.19 | hardwire | when I told g/f it had a double meaning she was totally lost |
| 22:23.48 | ChipX86 | I understand the obfuscate meaning. What's the other meaning? |
| 22:24.15 | hardwire | it is what it is. |
| 22:24.31 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 22:24.42 | hardwire | obfuscating the word obfuscate. |
| 22:24.49 | scanlime | heh |
| 22:24.53 | ChipX86 | I gathered that part |
| 22:24.54 | scanlime | that's more of a single meaning, than a double meaning |
| 22:24.57 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:25.11 | ChipX86 | I like hte plate though |
| 22:25.26 | hardwire | I suppose.. but couldn't it mean he enjoys obfuscating.. and in doing so he obfuscated the word. |
| 22:25.33 | scanlime | hah, weird |
| 22:25.53 | hardwire | ChipX86: it is a neat plate. |
| 22:25.54 | scanlime | ChipX86: the VGA emulation code is fun to read ;) |
| 22:26.03 | purple_cow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_entendre |
| 22:26.07 | ChipX86 | scanlime: I bet |
| 22:26.13 | scanlime | ChipX86: check out devices/vga/vga_monitor.c:511 on main |
| 22:26.52 | ChipX86 | my copy may be out of date. Is that in the middle of a comment? |
| 22:26.58 | scanlime | yes |
| 22:27.13 | ChipX86 | heh, nice |
| 22:27.31 | scanlime | I'm amused that people have tried this with different BIOSes |
| 22:27.47 | hardwire | ChipX86: scanlime: I suppose I felt it had two meanings because g/f didn't understand the use of obfuscation, and only that it was only a fun thing to put on a car. |
| 22:28.49 | ChipX86 | meh I hate this indentation bug in p5 change |
| 22:37.26 | *** join/#tacobeam file[laptop] (n=jcolp@mctnnbsa24w-142167049176.nb.aliant.net) |
| 22:49.03 | scanlime | hah |
| 22:49.10 | scanlime | google for "sysprof kernel symbols", CIA is the first hit |
| 22:49.49 | numist | nice |
| 22:54.08 | scanlime | ChipX86: you know if you can get to anonymous CVS through our proxy? |
| 22:56.39 | file[laptop] | I think my ISP is delaying my e-mail :\ |
| 23:04.41 | ChipX86 | scanlime: can't |
| 23:04.43 | ChipX86 | not yet anyway |
| 23:05.03 | scanlime | 'sok, I already resorted to tarring up a snapshot on zero and wget'ing that |
| 23:10.05 | scanlime | aw. the support for kernel symbols in sysprof CVS isn't actually to the point of being implemented yet |
| 23:10.25 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:14.05 | scanlime | huh. but unless I'm missing something, it looks like nearly all the code is here |
| 23:14.08 | scanlime | it just needs to be hooked up |
| 23:14.26 | scanlime | er.. oh |
| 23:14.31 | scanlime | ok, I see what I'm missing :P |
| 23:15.05 | scanlime | the sampling code doesn't actually pass kernel addresses through yet, it just uses the address 0x00000001 to signify any kernel samples |
| 23:15.10 | scanlime | bah |
| 23:15.36 | scanlime | lotsa magic addresses here... |
| 23:15.39 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.42 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.49 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.49 | scanlime | g_strdup_printf ("(??? %s)", process->cmdline); |
| 23:15.50 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.29 | purple_cow | hmmmmmm |
| 23:19.43 | scanlime | nice |
| 23:20.11 | purple_cow | 82 :-o |
| 23:20.14 | ChipX86 | oh wow |
| 23:20.15 | scanlime | yikes |
| 23:20.21 | scanlime | that's more than they're paying me :P |
| 23:20.24 | ChipX86 | same |
| 23:20.35 | scanlime | oh? I thought you were at 85 |
| 23:20.36 | purple_cow | yeah, i'm pretty surprised |
| 23:20.39 | ChipX86 | scanlime: 80 |
| 23:20.41 | scanlime | ah |
| 23:21.08 | hardwire | k? |
| 23:21.19 | ChipX86 | seems to be different on a per-manager basis in some ways |
| 23:21.23 | ChipX86 | hardwire: yeah |
| 23:21.50 | ChipX86 | hmm I thought the raises were going to be given out b ynow |
| 23:21.51 | ChipX86 | OH |
| 23:21.52 | hardwire | I have a shitty job. |
| 23:21.53 | ChipX86 | we get paid today! |
| 23:21.58 | ChipX86 | and I get a scanline bonus |
| 23:22.00 | scanlime | ooh |
| 23:22.29 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 23:22.35 | ChipX86 | scanline bonus didn't end up in paycheck despite e-mail |
| 23:22.46 | purple_cow | scanline bonus? |
| 23:22.48 | scanlime | woo, lookit all them dollars... most of which are going into rent and loans |
| 23:23.00 | hardwire | yay for loans |
| 23:23.13 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: I get $2000 for referring scanline |
| 23:23.21 | purple_cow | ahh |
| 23:23.23 | purple_cow | cool |
| 23:23.33 | ChipX86 | and scanline would get $2000 for referring you! |
| 23:23.40 | purple_cow | :D |
| 23:23.47 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 23:24.18 | scanlime | ooh, review replies |
| 23:24.24 | ChipX86 | hmm maybe it'll appear in there later |
| 23:24.44 | scanlime | purple_cow: still pondering grad school? :) |
| 23:24.55 | purple_cow | scanlime: technically :P |
| 23:25.11 | purple_cow | dunno how much of a chance grad school has anymore |
| 23:25.18 | file[laptop] | why must planet tacobeam be down... it makes me sad |
| 23:25.22 | scanlime | there's always stanford |
| 23:25.22 | ChipX86 | file[laptop]: uh oh |
| 23:25.30 | ChipX86 | damnit |
| 23:25.33 | hardwire | planet tacobeam? |
| 23:25.52 | ChipX86 | now wtf happened |
| 23:25.58 | ChipX86 | AGAIN! |
| 23:26.05 | hardwire | file: explain to me |
| 23:26.10 | ChipX86 | why would it die again |
| 23:26.19 | purple_cow | scanlime: yeah... |
| 23:26.34 | scanlime | purple_cow: I think lurgy convinced me to look for some evening classes in the palo alto area |
| 23:26.55 | file[laptop] | tasty |
| 23:26.56 | purple_cow | yay cooking classes |
| 23:27.32 | scanlime | cooking is becoming a favorite hobby of mine.. and at the far edge of the realm of possibility, it might even be a way to meet friends with similar interests |
| 23:27.51 | file[laptop] | scanlime: wow, that sounds... adult-like |
| 23:28.17 | purple_cow | it is a good way to make friends of the female persuasion, for sure |
| 23:28.24 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 23:28.32 | scanlime | pie-fu prolly helps >:) |
| 23:28.43 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:28.53 | purple_cow | vmware is going to have so much pie if i take the job |
| 23:28.59 | scanlime | hehe |
| 23:29.16 | ChipX86 | planet tacobeam is back up |
| 23:29.23 | ChipX86 | I get to closely monitor the server again for a while... arghh |
| 23:29.27 | ChipX86 | I hate servers |
| 23:29.47 | scanlime | ChipX86: apparently Tony still reads my blog |
| 23:29.49 | file[laptop] | ChipX86: thankies |
| 23:30.00 | ChipX86 | scanlime: Cannon? |
| 23:30.08 | scanlime | d'souza |
| 23:30.10 | ChipX86 | ahh |
| 23:30.22 | purple_cow | i wonder if he still reads numist's too |
| 23:30.24 | purple_cow | and mine.. |
| 23:30.26 | scanlime | hehe |
| 23:30.43 | scanlime | ChipX86: hey.. have you ever been to a thai place in downtown Palo Alto with pink walls? |
| 23:30.48 | scanlime | I forget the name, but the interior is all pink |
| 23:30.49 | ChipX86 | I don't like thai |
| 23:30.54 | scanlime | noooooo |
| 23:30.55 | ChipX86 | never really go |
| 23:31.02 | scanlime | fine! |
| 23:31.11 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 23:31.19 | scanlime | was going to recommend it.. tony and a couple of his friends and I went there last week |
| 23:31.20 | ChipX86 | huh, it all died around 3:00 |
| 23:31.22 | scanlime | 'twas tasty |
| 23:32.04 | numist | purple_cow: I doubt it.. the formatting of my blog is awful in opera. He'll probably read it when I ask him to check it, but I doubt it holds interest for him |
| 23:40.31 | ChipX86 | meh I don't know what to do about the server now |
| 23:42.14 | ChipX86 | 30/Nov/2005:09:02:34 |
| 23:42.21 | ChipX86 | last recorded time |
| 23:42.28 | *** join/#tacobeam lurgy|work (n=dkuester@dlc75-99-dhcp.colorado.edu) |
| 23:42.59 | lurgy|work | so.... |
| 23:43.07 | purple_cow | ....os |
| 23:43.13 | ChipX86 | absolutely nothing weird in the logs around that time |
| 23:43.16 | scanlime | ChipX86: we could pool together the money we're sinking into linode and get a really nice colocated P4... |
| 23:43.35 | purple_cow | and run esx? ;) |
| 23:43.38 | scanlime | maybe |
| 23:43.48 | ChipX86 | it's not linode's fault |
| 23:43.52 | scanlime | woudln't really need to, but it'd still be handy to partition out CIA, zero, and osiris into separate servers |
| 23:43.56 | ChipX86 | I don't hit i/o problems |
| 23:44.04 | lurgy|work | can someone describe to me where i find how to add .htaccess stuff to whatever file it is you need to grant svn access to someone? |
| 23:44.05 | scanlime | ChipX86: I dunno.. I've seen some odd filesystem bugs caused by their kernel |
| 23:44.09 | *** join/#tacobeam dkuester_ (n=dkuester@dlc75-99-dhcp.colorado.edu) |
| 23:44.15 | lurgy|work | <- n00b =/ |
| 23:44.17 | ChipX86 | scanlime: the only problem I've ran into so far has been this apache problem |
| 23:44.18 | purple_cow | ChipX86: linode has problems beyond I/O performance |
| 23:45.26 | ChipX86 | I think what I should do is write some script htat constantly watches the memory and if it goes crazy, killall -STOP apache2 |
| 23:45.48 | scanlime | heh, I've got something like that on flapjack |
| 23:45.50 | ChipX86 | maybe also go at that point and e-mail me the /proc/badprocessids/fd listings |
| 23:47.04 | ChipX86 | I think I found the problem |
| 23:47.12 | ChipX86 | well, no, but *A* problem |
| 23:47.18 | ChipX86 | David's site is trapping google |
| 23:47.24 | ChipX86 | GET /public/Gallery/N/Neon%20Genesis%20Evangelion/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/N/Neon%20Genesis%20Evangelion/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/R/Ranma/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/R/Ranma/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/R/Ranma/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/R/Ranma/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/R/Ranma/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/R/Ranma/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/R/Ranma/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/R/Ranma/Miscellaneous/public/Gallery/R/Ranma/Miscellaneous/p |
| 23:47.32 | ChipX86 | WOAH |
| 23:47.32 | ChipX86 | I didn't think it was that big, sorryy |
| 23:47.42 | scanlime | ooh |
| 23:47.47 | scanlime | mod_rewrite loop? |
| 23:47.54 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:47.55 | ChipX86 | I blame that |
| 23:48.49 | scanlime | sigh.. it's too bad most PC gamepads are such low quality |
| 23:49.02 | ChipX86 | hmm, that's not killing it |
| 23:49.04 | scanlime | I have this Logitech Wingman Cordless.. which isn't a bad gamepad as far as PC gamepads go |
| 23:49.15 | scanlime | I got it mostly to test force feedback code for linux |
| 23:49.19 | scanlime | but the buttons.. they squeak |
| 23:49.28 | scanlime | and the analog sticks just aren't nearly as nice as any console system |
| 23:53.11 | kergoth | i have a $20 saitek p990. nothing squeeks, but definately not as nice as my cordless logitech i use on my ps2 |
| 23:53.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:53.14 | purple_cow | wow |
| 23:53.20 | purple_cow | hibernate seems to have been unbelievably painless to set up |
