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| 14:04.19 | paul_boddie | Still no real progress, although I found a blog post where someone suggests using -O linux -T kernel with mkimage: |
| 14:04.21 | paul_boddie | https://balau82.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/u-boot-for-arm-on-qemu/ |
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| 18:03.21 | paul_boddie | Just great: rebuilt U-Boot from openwrt-xburst and now MMC-booting only gets as far as "mmc1 is available". |
| 18:03.33 | paul_boddie | hates U-Boot. |
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| 18:11.55 | eintopf | paul_boddie: try barebox |
| 18:12.48 | paul_boddie | On the NanoNote? |
| 18:13.02 | paul_boddie | I actually want to get something working with U-Boot elsewhere, though. |
| 18:13.27 | eintopf | mhh, then you need to port at first. yep |
| 18:16.26 | paul_boddie | Now I just have to figure out how to update openwrt-xburst using git. Sigh! |
| 18:24.30 | paul_boddie | Or just clone the damned thing again for my own sanity's sake. |
| 18:24.43 | wpwrak | get rid of it ? :) |
| 18:26.40 | paul_boddie | Git, OpenWrt or U-Boot? |
| 18:29.13 | paul_boddie | I thought people wanted to write their own nice bootloader, but I guess they didn't finish it. |
| 18:35.54 | eintopf | paul_boddie: I think wpwrak opinion is more "bootloaders are useless" |
| 18:36.29 | eintopf | http://kboot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:47.39 | wpwrak | bootloaders are very useful - and should be extremely simple :) |
| 18:53.15 | eintopf | so extremely simple would be "start kernel only" |
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| 18:54.36 | wpwrak | yup, with some initramfs that does the rest |
| 18:55.11 | eintopf | yea, I remember that |
| 18:55.35 | paul_boddie | And not leave the hardware in some weird state. |
| 18:57.03 | paul_boddie | Meanwhile, it's branch surfing time as OpenWrt fails to build its toolchain for some reason unknown to man. |
| 18:57.23 | wpwrak | i would advocate that the kernel should try to initialize as much of the hardware as possible, to minimize its dependency on the boot loader |
| 18:58.12 | wpwrak | you haven't experienced build failures if you haven't used OE ;-) |
| 18:58.58 | eintopf | maybe when I have time, then I will the idea of kboot |
| 18:59.00 | wpwrak | at openmoko, i was very happy when we got people who just took care of building the damn monster and making binary packages |
| 18:59.04 | paul_boddie | OE and related stuff are just hateful, really. |
| 18:59.19 | wpwrak | we seem to agree ;-) |
| 18:59.30 | eintopf | what is OE |
| 18:59.35 | paul_boddie | It's a relief in a way that Debian now actually has cross-compilers that work. |
| 18:59.39 | wpwrak | OpenEmbedded |
| 19:00.14 | eintopf | ah, ok |
| 19:00.20 | wpwrak | kinda like gentoo. but very fragile. getting it to build (which took forever) was like winning the lottery |
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| 19:01.04 | wpwrak | and we had the perverse setup of building code under development inside OE. so each time the monster blew up, development stopped. |
| 19:01.59 | wpwrak | well, that was for the application people. we also had a simple SDK that was sufficient for my kind of work. so i largely escaped :) |
| 19:04.34 | eintopf | you could script yourself some image generation foo |
| 19:04.41 | eintopf | and doing alle the cross compiling stuff |
| 19:04.48 | eintopf | but that's more crazy |
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| 19:05.41 | wpwrak | i made a rootfs builder that just installed pre-compiled packages and then added my stuff. that worked quite nicely. |
| 19:06.39 | eintopf | pre-compiled :/ |
| 19:06.42 | eintopf | I don't like that |
| 19:07.33 | eintopf | mhh |
| 19:08.27 | wpwrak | well, there are so many bash variations you need :) |
| 19:08.55 | wpwrak | and if keeps the build failures on the other side of that package repo |
| 19:08.58 | wpwrak | s/if/it/ |
| 19:09.00 | qi-bot | wpwrak meant: "and it keeps the build failures on the other side of that package repo" |
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| 19:31.13 | eintopf | tv is so boring, I think I read a book... perry rhodan. I am still at volume 1 |
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| 19:35.10 | wpwrak | the most epic space opera ever ;-) |
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| 20:01.27 | paul_boddie | Remembered to look up the magic formula to hopefully avoid building absolutely everything in OpenWrt: |
| 20:01.29 | paul_boddie | http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howtobuild/single.package |
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| 22:03.46 | paul_boddie | OK. MMC support is back! And suddenly my payload works for some reason. |
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