IRC log for #qi-hardware on 20141116

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11:42.53rjeffriesIf Neo900 eventually sees teh light of day and can be ordered, there should be a reasonable niche market. This article [1, below] provides sobering information. Not saying Neo900 is total solution, but it's a start.
11:45.07rjeffries[1] http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2437678  // The inmates are running the asylum. I fear our personal freedoms are forever gone. The USA now resembles what we once condemned as police state tactics in the former Soviet Union,GDR, Chine, North Korea the list goes on.
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13:13.40whitequarktechnical solutions to social problems, aka something that has not worked once in history
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17:07.49wpwrakwhitequark: skynet thinks it's doing reasonably well :)
17:54.31viricI agree
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19:15.19pcercueilarsc, so in which branch did you hide the devicetree commits?
19:15.50pcercueithe jz-3.16 has a few dt-related patches, but nothing that adds dt support for the platform
19:25.50larscpcercuei: in my local jz-3.17 branch ;
19:26.03larsc(that I did today)
19:26.20pcercueiok; does it work?
19:26.29larscmaybe
19:26.40larschadn't had the chance to test the dt stuff
19:28.54larscbut the core changes are just http://pastebin.com/5WNKe1n8
19:46.13pcercueiyou could use "of_default_bus_match_table" instead of your of_ids struct
19:48.13larscok
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20:53.33DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid rjeffries has a wrong idea about the Neo900 business model
20:55.07DocScrutinizer05though Neo900 is targeted at such niche market as well, it will never be "ready to order" due to some very basic business and supply limitations. Either you preorder now or odds are you never will own one
20:56.08DocScrutinizer05the mass market will get targeted by Neo900 successor, project name "Step2"
20:56.25DocScrutinizer05well "mass"
21:06.16wpwrakhmm, regarding rosetta: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2RMy1mIIAEU2Oi.jpg
21:06.37DocScrutinizer05also "congress should deal with security vulnerabilities in contemporary cell networks, by means of laws" WTF??? as if those dudes had any clue
21:07.49DocScrutinizer05congress men are those who print out the youtube video
21:08.41DocScrutinizer05and then possibly come up with a law that outlaws youtube videos that cannot show moving pictures when printed on a sheet of paper
21:21.39wpwrakthat sounds very proactive. i think they wait until a problem is brought to their attention, then collect proposals for its solution, and finally choose that from the highest bidder.
21:25.13DocScrutinizer51yeah prolly
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21:42.40DocScrutinizer51hah, just watching a guy here who obviosly has the right conclusion .) "wenn du obdachlosen geld gibts dann kauen sie sowieso nur billigen schnaps dafuer. Also gib ihnen lieber... gleich _guten_ schnaps"
21:43.20DocScrutinizer51kaufen*
22:18.47wpwrakwhere do i sign up for homelessness in .de ? :)
22:19.25wpwrakbut wait .. it still gets kinda cold there in winter, doesn't it ? well, with plenty of good schnapps it may be bearable ...
22:57.33DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20141116_001.jpg
22:59.14DocScrutinizer05you don't wanna live like that
23:01.27DocScrutinizer05and probably the fusel that the young guy is pouring in a cup for the old busted one isn't that great either
23:08.03wpwrakhey, looks nice, soft, warm, sheltered from the elements
23:08.42wpwrakmaybe the interior design is a bit questionable, but with enough booze, one should be able to overlook such details
23:08.53wpwrakbesides, you promised _good_ schnapps, right ? :)
23:09.37wpwrakactually, i should have started my comment with:
23:10.14wpwrakah, the classical posture of a roman nobleman laying down to enjoy the feast before the orgy ;-)
23:16.01DocScrutinizer05or simply "Burger King main railway station $anywhere-on-earth"
23:16.51DocScrutinizer05and meanwhile this guy and his friend are for sure not there anymore, since BC closes at 00:00 - in railway station of a 500k town, go figure!
23:17.39DocScrutinizer05sorry, BK, I always call it BC, can't help it
23:20.58DocScrutinizer05ROTFL! zero-factor authentication: https://www.deutsche-bank.de/pfb/content/privatkunden/online-mobile-banking_phototan.html
23:21.39DocScrutinizer05I.E. there might be a private key on the phone app that decodes the PK-encrypted QR-code
23:22.02DocScrutinizer05lose your phone and you're *completely* screwed
23:23.49DocScrutinizer05>>Im Mobile-Banking (Smartphone und Tablet) brauchen Sie kein zweites Smartphone oder separates Lesegerät. Die „Meine Bank“-App und die „photoTAN“-App tauschen die erforderlichen Informationen direkt aus.<< amazing achievemrnt of modern IT engineering¡
23:25.05DocScrutinizer05I.E. all a thief needs is your phone
23:26.03DocScrutinizer05quite convenient, no more hacking around with cover-keyboards or spycams on ATM and picking the CC. Just pick the smartphone
23:27.18DocScrutinizer05I just charged my phone prepaid by 30EUR, _that_ been a 12 digit "pin"
23:28.36DocScrutinizer05for accessing your account with maybe 100k EUR on it, a thief needs just your phone and _maybe_ your account number and 5 digit pin
23:29.06DocScrutinizer05or alternatively your CC and a 4 digit PIN
23:30.23DocScrutinizer05you see a pattern there? to me it seems PIN length is strongly depending on whether the assets protected by that PIN are property of the PIN issuer or property of the PIN issuer's customers
23:37.35whitequarkthat's very typical
23:37.40whitequarksee also: debit and credit cards
23:51.04wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: i think you may have stumbled upon some profound truth about human nature. is there a nobel price in anthropology ? :)
23:51.26wpwrakbut "zero-factor" deserves some medals of its own :)
23:52.01wpwrakone for brilliant marketing, one for idiotic marketing, and a third one for not understanding the least bit ;-)
23:53.39wpwrakbut i kinda wonder whether asking for the money would constitute at least a small fraction of a factor, or whether they would have to give it you without request to be truly zero-factor. truth in marketing is important :)

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