| 00:02.17 | whitequark | DocScrutinizer: I was recently thinking about freedom and such |
| 00:02.24 | whitequark | look, there's CPUs, and they are proprietary |
| 00:02.27 | whitequark | especially when good |
| 00:02.32 | whitequark | but we'll have M1 SoC |
| 00:02.38 | whitequark | but also there are for example NAND flashes |
| 00:02.40 | whitequark | and chip cases |
| 00:02.42 | whitequark | and whatnot |
| 00:03.06 | whitequark | should we [we = OSS people] launch our own semiconductor industry? where the border lies? |
| 00:14.15 | wolfspraul | the boundary is where something works best |
| 00:14.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think 'our own chipfab' is at least a factor 10E3 too huge a chunk for any community to bite and chew |
| 00:14.52 | wolfspraul | in other words - if a chipmaker (designer or foundry) can make a great chip today, that leverages software that we know well, then that's a chip we want to use |
| 00:15.11 | wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer51: sure, and it's nonsense if you know how diverse the "chipmaker" industry is |
| 00:15.36 | wolfspraul | I think practical, we know certain software best, and we are looking for ways to make that software shine in peoples lives |
| 00:15.55 | wolfspraul | I don't plan to work on a phd in physics the next few years |
| 00:16.18 | wolfspraul | neither do I plan to "recreate" what millions of people have worked on the last 60 years, aka "the semiconductor industry" |
| 00:16.36 | wolfspraul | but I think we can become much smarter in picking the right chips, yeah :-) |
| 00:16.37 | wolfspraul | that for sure |
| 00:16.47 | wolfspraul | I'm still mostly blind there, maybe some rays of light reaching me slowly |
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| 00:17.35 | wolfspraul | good morning everybody btw |
| 00:17.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | moo |
| 00:18.11 | wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer51: you still shed tears for Nokia? |
| 00:18.12 | wolfspraul | :-) |
| 00:18.20 | whitequark | looks at the window and recalls UGT |
| 00:18.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, not for Nokia |
| 00:18.42 | wolfspraul | I somehow think they can't get out of that trap anymore, let's hope it's a large corp and they have some huge invisible growth opportunities somewhere |
| 00:19.19 | wolfspraul | we need to speed up and make devices that are better at mobile communication :-) |
| 00:19.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | rubber dhingi |
| 00:19.52 | whitequark | what |
| 00:20.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | nokia's next field of excellence |
| 00:21.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | building rubber boots boats |
| 00:21.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | tires |
| 00:23.27 | wolfspraul | DocScrutinizer51: what phone do you use right now? |
| 00:29.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | N900 |
| 00:30.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | aka rover aka rx_51 |
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| 00:32.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why I contribute to CSSU that's why I asked for alternatives to mtools |
| 00:33.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | lemme see... |
| 00:33.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~cssu |
| 00:33.18 | infobot | cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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| 00:37.11 | wolfspraul | ah updating is good |
| 00:37.23 | wolfspraul | I hope some generally usable libraries or packages come out of that, not just a huge mess tied to one distro |
| 00:42.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | wolfspraul: that depends on your metrics |
| 00:43.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | while CSSU is also trying to be as much main/upstream as possible, our main goal is keeping maemo for N900 in a usable state |
| 00:43.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't mean we'd not feed upstream with bugfixes, e.g. for gnome-vfs |
| 00:44.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | to mention one example of last 2 days |
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| 00:44.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | but for obvious reasons this project isn't much involved in creating new libs |
| 00:47.18 | wolfspraul | ok, got it |
| 00:47.53 | wolfspraul | I'm always interested in where new packaging and update mechanisms emerge |
| 00:50.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | then probably meego-harmattan and mer/nemo is more your focus |
| 00:51.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | they all are OBSed now ;-D |
| 00:51.43 | wolfspraul | OBS? |
| 00:51.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | Opensuse build service (aiui) seems is the hot new shit now |
| 00:52.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | they came up with 'buildyour own distro at a mouseclick' some 2 or 3 years ag |
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| 00:53.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | now they offer building $whatever for $your-target |
| 00:53.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | aiui |
| 00:54.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | absolutely not my domain |
| 00:54.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | so all just what I heard occasionally |
| 00:54.47 | wolfspraul | I don't understand |
| 00:54.56 | wolfspraul | they offer build as a paid service? free service? |
| 00:55.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | free |
| 00:55.31 | wolfspraul | hmm |
| 00:55.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | and maybe now even the buoildhost sw |
| 00:55.32 | wolfspraul | ok |
| 00:56.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | really, no clue |
| 00:56.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | check out #mer and #harmattan and what they do for buiing/pkging |
| 00:57.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe OBS is sth completely different than opensse build server/service, and I'm telling BS |
| 00:59.09 | wolfspraul | I just wait until more generally usable libraries or packages emerge :-) |
| 01:01.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | Idon't get your definition of this |
| 01:06.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, on my walk back home |
| 01:06.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 01:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | do you mean alternatives to apt/dpkg resp zypper/rpm? |
| 01:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | .s/zypper/yum/ |
| 01:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | not |
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| 01:42.28 | wolfspraul | no 'alternatives' but more options to update running systems, yes |
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| 02:01.49 | qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: changed AP2142ASG-13's package 8-SOIC to SO-8 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/af618b2 |
| 02:01.50 | qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:wernermisc (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ef5fa7e |
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| 03:02.42 | qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: new package libzip (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a7dc528 |
| 03:02.43 | qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: bard: DEPENDS, add libzip for EPUB support (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/bed9012 |
| 03:11.19 | qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: gmenu2x icon: remvoe pickpdf (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0ee9b4d |
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| 03:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, update running system - a rather ambitious task |
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| 08:01.03 | qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: Revert "add common.lib include R, C, LED" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/422df1b |
| 08:05.02 | wpwrak | naw, we should replace the kicad libs. they're too unreliable. |
| 08:05.26 | wpwrak | they change slowly over time and there's no telling what someone has installed on their system |
| 08:09.05 | xiangfu | wpwrak, Hi. |
| 08:09.15 | xiangfu | why you add './' to the 'components.pro' Library? |
| 08:09.28 | xiangfu | wpwrak, oh. |
| 08:10.00 | xiangfu | wpwrak, so you advice we add our 'common.lib'? |
| 08:11.43 | wpwrak | (./) i think relative paths didn't work without ./ in earlier versions |
| 08:11.49 | wpwrak | now it seems that they do |
| 08:12.18 | xiangfu | ok. |
| 08:12.56 | wpwrak | yes, we should make our own library of basic parts. in most cases, we can just adapt the default library. some parts need font size or line width changes. a few are very ugly and need redrawing, though |
| 08:13.27 | wpwrak | e.g., most/all the power symbols have a font that's too tiny |
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| 08:13.44 | xiangfu | wpwrak, ok. got it. |
| 08:13.52 | xiangfu | wpwrak, so I needs revert again. :) |
| 08:14.18 | wpwrak | git revert revert ;-) |
| 08:20.14 | xiangfu | wpwrak, 'git revert revert' done. |
| 08:23.37 | xiangfu | wpwrak, do you we should use one 'device.lib' as base? |
| 08:24.05 | xiangfu | wpwrak, use device.lib overwrite this common.lib. then we start to edit it little by little. |
| 08:25.08 | xiangfu | overwrite the 'kicad-libs/components/common.lib' |
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| 11:09.28 | rz2k | I'm surpised how many chinese electronic companies want to work with Russia, I just got back from ExpoElectronica and there was like 30% of panels having "seeking for representative" label. |
| 11:13.46 | kyak | they want to work with everybody |
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| 11:26.57 | JCGsp | Hi everyone out there |
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| 11:54.18 | JCGsp | the .sh on the debian 6 image used to compile openwrt updates the source? |
| 12:04.13 | kyak | whitequark: how can i force using rndis in linux rather than cdc ethernet? |
| 12:04.59 | kyak | i tried to preload rndis_host before connecting Ben, but it still selects CDC Ethernet (ECM) config |
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| 13:54.25 | mth | kyak: afaik it's a compile time option |
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| 14:29.24 | kyak | mth: no, it's not like that.. there are two configurations and the driver choses one of them |
| 14:29.36 | kyak | when i plug it into windows, it choses rndis |
| 14:29.57 | kyak | but when i plug it into linux, it choses cdc |
| 14:30.24 | kyak | and i can't make it choose rndis when i plug it into linux |
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| 15:23.07 | mirko | what's the patent-situation with gif by the way? |
| 15:23.17 | mirko | is it free to use and distribute (now)? |
| 15:24.52 | wolfspraul | I would think so :-) |
| 15:25.20 | wolfspraul | that sounds like a question for computer historians :-) |
| 15:26.40 | wolfspraul | according to wikipedia, the last known patents expired in 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gif |
| 15:26.50 | mirko | ah, ok - cool |
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| 17:21.45 | qi-bot | [commit] Paul Cercueil: Removed the "wrapper" feature. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7687212 |
| 17:21.46 | qi-bot | [commit] Paul Cercueil: Added a "show console" link parameter (Dingux build only). (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/e6ca072 |
| 17:25.48 | LunaVorax | Hello everyone! |
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| 22:11.51 | whitequark | kyak: just unload & blacklist the cdc-ecm driver |
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| 22:21.30 | rjeffries | I serached irc log for "zpu" only found one line from 2010. so maybe it is ok to ask this: |
| 22:21.55 | rjeffries | what do people think of http://www.alvie.com/zpuino/index.html ?? thanks in advance. |
| 22:24.14 | rjeffries | s/sera/sear/ |
| 22:24.38 | rjeffries | s/sera/sear/ |
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