| 00:00.02 | wolfspraul | should we auto-build all packages with debug info on? |
| 00:00.05 | dvdk | remote debugging code in shared libraries is horribly difficult |
| 00:00.06 | wolfspraul | why do we have a buildhost :-) |
| 00:00.36 | dvdk | wolfspraul: not sure where the build binaries *with* debug info are kept. just in the build-directory, i.e. outside staging etc. would have to keep that. |
| 00:00.57 | wolfspraul | ok we need to look into that |
| 00:00.59 | dvdk | (i guess) |
| 00:01.08 | wolfspraul | it's been too long where a crash is like end-of-world situation on the Ben |
| 00:01.45 | dvdk | i get the feeling that our accelerated video driver is somehow miscompiled and failing at the dynamic loading level (after some parts of it code already running) |
| 00:04.36 | dvdk | uhh, why do i have a uclibc 0.9.33 on my ben, when openwrt-xburst staging dir is named "target-mipsel_uClibc-0.9.32" !?!?!@ |
| 00:04.43 | dvdk | i hate it. |
| 00:05.29 | dvdk | did we upgrade/downgrade recently? |
| 00:05.44 | wolfspraul | yes I think so |
| 00:06.05 | wolfspraul | going with openwrt upstream defaults I think, nothing intentional on our end afaik |
| 00:06.36 | dvdk | hmm, that may explain any segfaults |
| 00:06.40 | dvdk | (?) |
| 00:07.15 | dvdk | git branch, and another recompile :/ |
| 00:07.50 | dvdk | oh nice, releases are branches, not tags, so I can still commit to them :) |
| 00:11.57 | dvdk | no, doesn't seem to help. doing 'make toolchain/{clean,compile}', i see that it now builds 'toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.6-linaro_uClibc-0.9.32' |
| 00:12.20 | dvdk | so ruined my build system for nothing |
| 00:18.03 | wolfspraul | hmm |
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| 00:24.29 | dvdk | going to drop a mail to the list and call it a day. maybe next release-build by xiangfu is going to magically result in a working mplayer :) |
| 00:26.35 | wolfspraul | :-) |
| 00:26.41 | wolfspraul | thanks a lot for your help! |
| 00:26.43 | wolfspraul | n8 |
| 00:27.34 | dvdk | last minute update: it's Git again. didn't actually checkout a branch, but made my own. |
| 00:28.09 | dvdk | the typical bug-report mail solves itself just before hitting the send button :) |
| 00:32.28 | dvdk | ok, so doing the proper git branch -t release_2012-03-18 origin/release_2012-03-18' doesn't help. still 0.9.32 uclibc |
| 00:39.39 | dvdk | trying to update my feeds.conf to the one used for the 03-18 release |
| 00:44.45 | dvdk | n8 |
| 00:47.17 | wolfspraul | n8 |
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| 03:39.32 | wpwrak | just milled my first piece of acrylic. that stuff is amazing. precise cuts, good feed rate, and it's fairly robust. lightyears ahead of wood of MDF. |
| 03:39.46 | wpwrak | s/of M/or M |
| 03:39.47 | qi-bot | wpwrak meant: "just milled my first piece of acrylic. that stuff is amazing. precise cuts, good feed rate, and it's fairly robust. lightyears ahead of wood or MDF." |
| 03:40.05 | wolfspraul | nice |
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| 04:52.01 | wolfspraul | kristianpaul: about radios, I found this article digging into some of the radio architecture of the ipad quite interesting http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/technology-blog/2012/03/new-ipad-lte3g/ |
| 04:52.35 | wolfspraul | I both believe that radio will be the breakthrough feature for open hardware, and that we have to be very selective and careful in how we implement it |
| 04:52.59 | wolfspraul | on one hand we need very high performance chips on the front-end |
| 04:53.27 | wolfspraul | on the other hand we must not be dragged down by giant and moving targets that only benefit those that can quickly invest and recoup billions of USD |
| 04:54.14 | wolfspraul | still learning in this sector, as you know I believe in the GPS baseband work you do, and in the 802.15.4 wpan stuff. beyond that it's all learning and thinking for me right now :-) |
| 04:54.57 | wolfspraul | a true p2p network that can scale to the world would be cool |
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| 05:12.51 | wolfspraul | so if I read the ipad article correctly, the baseband/dsp chips are from qualcomm (rtr8600, pm8028, mdm9600), broadcom wifi, and switches and power amplifiers from Murata, Peregrine, TriQuint, Avago and Skyworks |
| 05:13.23 | wolfspraul | I have only the best memories of Murata, too bad we weren't then and still are not ready now to directly co-work with them. they offered credible and serious support, really nice folks. |
| 05:13.56 | wolfspraul | I think my homework is to understand better what kind of chips those switch/pa companies are coming out with, and what might allow us to make really interesting radios |
| 05:14.24 | wolfspraul | and of course which of their chips have somewhat good open datasheets, are easily sourcable, etc. |
| 05:14.48 | wolfspraul | Murata, Peregrine, TriQuint, Avago, Skyworks. Piece of cake to get overview there, no? :-) |
| 05:15.14 | wolfspraul | that's roughly my current approach, but I am very much learning-by-doing |
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| 05:46.46 | xakh | long story short |
| 05:47.01 | xakh | my nanonote is in a pile on the floor |
| 05:48.58 | xakh | I took my nanonote apart because the LCD didn't show when it booted |
| 05:51.42 | xakh | xiangfu you know how to fix the hardware? |
| 05:52.12 | xakh | wolfspraul any ideas? I know you and xiang know the workings of this thing, I have pictures I'm uploading shortly. |
| 05:54.01 | xiangfu | xakh, here is the inside: http://www.openmobilefree.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Disassemble_nanonote-1024x768.jpg |
| 05:54.12 | xakh | well, I know the inside |
| 05:54.14 | xiangfu | xakh, more infor: http://www.openmobilefree.net/?p=504 |
| 05:54.24 | xakh | it's splayed in front of me, I'm asking, how do I put it back together? |
| 05:54.37 | xiangfu | xakh, if the LCD cable broken. then it's hard to fix. have to replease the cable. |
| 05:54.56 | xakh | well, I don't know if it is |
| 05:55.03 | xakh | that's why I'm uploading a series of pictures |
| 05:59.16 | xakh | I don't have the capability to transfer them from my phone to my computer, so I'm emailing them, it may take a few minutes |
| 05:59.31 | xiangfu | ok |
| 06:07.51 | xakh | okay, found my transfer cable because that was taking forever, so now I'm uploading to imgur |
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| 06:16.47 | xakh | Okay! |
| 06:16.58 | xakh | http://imgur.com/a/gfNyW |
| 06:17.26 | xakh | xiangfu do you see any problems, and if so, how to I put this back together? |
| 06:18.31 | xakh | *if not |
| 06:25.56 | xakh | wolfspraul maybe you do? |
| 06:27.53 | xakh | xiangfu are you still there? |
| 06:29.02 | wolfspraul | wow those pictures look bad :-) what do you try to tell us withi those pics? |
| 06:29.29 | wolfspraul | you need to reassemble your ben the way you disassembled it, hopefully nothing broke or will break in the process |
| 06:30.04 | wolfspraul | there is a connector on the mainboard where the fpc from the screen comes in, that is sometimes worth reseating. but it seems you took the whole device apart :-) |
| 06:32.53 | xakh | okay |
| 06:32.57 | xakh | how do I reseat it? |
| 06:33.08 | xakh | yeah, I'm kind of old fashioned with stuff |
| 06:33.17 | xakh | take the whole thing apart if you wanna see what's wrong with it |
| 06:33.53 | xakh | so the only real problem was it didn't seem the LCD was coming on |
| 06:34.05 | xakh | when I charged it, the red light would turn on, so I figured it was still working somewhat |
| 06:34.26 | xakh | but nothing else in the Ben actually turns on when it boots, so I have no idea how to tell if it works |
| 06:35.11 | wolfspraul | when you boot it (long press of power button), and then connect the usb cable to your notebook, do you see a new usb device appearing on your notebook? |
| 06:35.20 | xakh | well, not now |
| 06:35.22 | xakh | I think I did |
| 06:35.22 | wolfspraul | that's how you can verify whether the ben is running without needing a screen on the ben |
| 06:35.31 | wolfspraul | put it all back together first |
| 06:36.28 | xakh | okay, how do I... do that? |
| 06:36.52 | xakh | this graphite button fell out |
| 06:36.53 | xakh | and I have no idea where it goes |
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| 06:38.00 | wolfspraul | graphite button? there is a tiny one on the side as a LED light guide of sorts, you mean that? |
| 06:38.24 | wolfspraul | you were creative when taking the device apart (otherwise it's certainly broken now), just use the same creativity to put it back together |
| 06:38.37 | wolfspraul | typically taking apart (without breaking) is harder than putting back together |
| 06:39.03 | wolfspraul | so relax |
| 06:39.12 | wolfspraul | one by one, and there's a good chance it will come back up :-) |
| 06:39.16 | wolfspraul | no rush! |
| 06:39.27 | xakh | haha |
| 06:39.36 | xakh | well, no the button that fell wasn't clear |
| 06:39.45 | xakh | it was black, with a rubber side and a black side |
| 06:40.03 | xiangfu | xakh, you mean the keyboard ? |
| 06:40.19 | xakh | no no no, it's just one button |
| 06:40.21 | xiangfu | xakh, oh. you mean the reset rubber button. |
| 06:40.28 | xakh | it was inside it? |
| 06:40.50 | xiangfu | xakh, yes. the reset rubber button inside the case |
| 06:40.54 | xakh | okay |
| 06:42.34 | xakh | the LCD ribbon is twisted over itself |
| 06:42.38 | xakh | is that okay? |
| 06:43.21 | wolfspraul | inside the hinge is makes a turn, yes |
| 06:43.35 | wolfspraul | but I have no idea what state of things you look at now - your pics are scary :-) |
| 06:44.43 | xakh | hahaha |
| 06:46.52 | xakh | okay, my hands aren't too steady, so my friend is plugging it back in |
| 06:47.29 | xakh | okay |
| 06:47.34 | xakh | which end of the ribbon is face down? |
| 06:48.00 | xakh | is it the brass that faces the logic board or the plastic end? |
| 06:48.07 | wolfspraul | don't know, but the contacts probably face down (towards the logic board) |
| 06:48.30 | wolfspraul | the lcm cable is soldered on the lcm side, and connected with a connector on the mainboard side |
| 06:48.40 | wolfspraul | so: if more than 1 side is loose, it's definitely ripped off and broken :-) |
| 06:50.17 | xakh | nothing's loose, I'm just asking which side to plug in |
| 06:50.59 | wolfspraul | there is only 1 cable coming from the lcm, and it needs to go into the 1 connector on the mainboard |
| 06:51.43 | xakh | right |
| 06:51.58 | xakh | it has a little leg though |
| 06:52.07 | xakh | it doesn't seem to connect to anything? |
| 06:52.14 | wolfspraul | right |
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| 06:59.54 | xakh | okay, what button do I push to USB boot? |
| 07:01.02 | wolfspraul | if u-boot is still there, just press u and then power-on |
| 07:02.26 | xakh | xiangfu it says there's an ethernet object in it before I turn it on even |
| 07:03.01 | xakh | Bus 002 Device 009: ID 0525:a4a1 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet Gad |
| 07:03.02 | xakh | get |
| 07:03.02 | xakh | is that right? |
| 07:03.13 | wolfspraul | that's your ben |
| 07:07.53 | xakh | wolfspraul is it supposed to read as that? |
| 07:07.54 | xakh | so that's right, and the screen is just messed up? |
| 07:07.56 | xakh | okay |
| 07:07.57 | xakh | so should I reseat the screen on the LCD side? |
| 07:07.57 | xakh | or is there a way to do that? |
| 07:08.09 | xakh | wolfspraul I know I'm probably bothering you |
| 07:08.16 | wolfspraul | not at all |
| 07:08.29 | wolfspraul | even though I feel we need a little luck to get your ben back to where you want it |
| 07:08.44 | wolfspraul | no you cannot fix or reset anything on the lcd side, it's soldered there |
| 07:08.56 | wolfspraul | is your screen showing anything now? |
| 07:09.45 | xakh | no it is not |
| 07:09.46 | xakh | it just comes up on watch lsusb |
| 07:09.46 | xakh | I do have a soldering iron |
| 07:14.04 | xakh | so if push comes to shove, I might be able to fix it that way? |
| 07:16.40 | wolfspraul | the analysis is too random for me |
| 07:17.03 | wolfspraul | if you really want to go down that way you may want to look into the kernel on the ben and see whether there are any clues in the lcm driver |
| 07:17.19 | wolfspraul | you can use a scope to measure signals on the wires to the lcm |
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| 07:19.47 | xakh | wooops |
| 07:19.48 | xakh | okay |
| 07:20.11 | xakh | what is a scope in this case? |
| 07:20.35 | wolfspraul | you use it to measure the electrons that are flowing through the wires going to the lcm |
| 07:20.55 | wolfspraul | the scope can tell you what's going on on each wire |
| 07:23.40 | xakh | I'm not sure what a "scope" is |
| 07:23.40 | xakh | I have a small voltmeter, as far as electrical components are concerned |
| 07:24.09 | whitequark | xakh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscilloscope |
| 07:26.39 | xakh | where do I get one of those?! |
| 07:27.57 | xakh | wolfspraul is there something else I can do? |
| 07:27.57 | xakh | can I replace the LCD? |
| 07:27.58 | wolfspraul | are you sure the connection of the lcm fpc cable to your mainboard is seated well? |
| 07:28.05 | wolfspraul | no, not really |
| 07:28.14 | wolfspraul | plus we don't know what the problem is |
| 07:28.43 | xakh | hmm |
| 07:28.46 | wolfspraul | can you try to take a picture of the lcm cable connection on the mainboard? |
| 07:29.01 | wolfspraul | but maybe a little better quality than the earlier ones - in focus etc.? |
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| 07:46.29 | xakh | OKAY |
| 07:47.10 | xakh | wolfspraul sorry, tether died |
| 07:51.43 | xakh | okay, I got the image |
| 07:51.47 | xakh | http://i.imgur.com/pP9Tl.jpg |
| 07:55.14 | xakh | wolfspraul you still there? |
| 08:00.30 | xakh | wolfspraul sorry if I'm a bit on edge, it's 4 in the morning here, so I'm just wondering |
| 08:24.53 | wolfspraul | get some sleep first |
| 08:24.57 | wolfspraul | I'm back in a bit.. |
| 08:25.13 | wolfspraul | thanks for trying to bring your ben back to life fully ;-) |
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| 14:35.34 | kristianpaul | click |
| 14:40.28 | kristianpaul | your approach of course make lot of sense! |
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| 16:49.56 | abushcrafterforg | I got a geeks phone zero for £60 or £70 off ebay. I gave in. I thought I could disable all the non-free rubbish and have a 700mhz pocket computer which has a vibrator. |
| 16:52.00 | abushcrafterforg | Then I lean or relean that on matter what I do it will always be a citzen servlalence device and the app to control root permissions for apps is proprietary and I can't fine control the compression of the video with out a non-free app thought the cam driver is non-free any way |
| 16:55.49 | abushcrafterforg | and with other smaller problems like no control of audio compression, text entry is not easy (So I can't do quick notes.) I am coming to the conclusion that I would be happier with a Nano Note. |
| 16:57.50 | abushcrafterforg | So didn't you say something about a new model? :) with usb host,etc? |
| 16:58.07 | abushcrafterforg | recently |
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| 17:51.09 | whitequark | pabs3: sup |
| 17:51.41 | whitequark | abushcrafterforg: if you already have root permissions, you basically pwned your phone |
| 17:51.45 | whitequark | replace the app with SUID'd su |
| 17:52.16 | whitequark | if it has a patched kernel with their own ACL, find a local privilege escalation exploit (there's a plenty of them, as the kernel is likely to be outdated) and it'd be gone |
| 17:59.52 | whitequark | abushcrafterforg: their promise to free you from ties to operator is particularly hilarious (in some sense) |
| 18:00.14 | whitequark | e.g. here in Russia each and every (well, maybe 99% of them. doesn't differ much) phone is sold unlocked |
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| 21:50.21 | abushcrafterforg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.40 | abushcrafterforg | thats empathy for you |
| 21:50.52 | whitequark | huh? |
| 21:52.47 | abushcrafterforg | gnome IM |
| 21:53.37 | abushcrafterforg | has gnome features but lacks other features and does not like long posts |
| 21:57.02 | whitequark | it's probably irc which has limit on line length |
| 21:57.05 | whitequark | or freenode |
| 22:02.16 | GNUtoo | kristianpaul, geeksphone one is qualcomm!!! |
| 22:02.30 | GNUtoo | kristianpaul, that makes it as bad as the htc dream |
| 22:10.07 | *** join/#qi-hardware abushcrafterfor1 (~alexander@85.211.125.196) |
| 22:12.01 | kristianpaul | GNUtoo: ah ! |
| 22:12.12 | kristianpaul | but |
| 22:12.32 | kristianpaul | if the release all source we get happy ;) |
| 22:12.50 | abushcrafterforg | no its that I can't see what I am writing. |
| 22:12.53 | kristianpaul | GNUtoo: so still OM phone beat the geek one i guess |
| 22:13.27 | abushcrafterforg | ? |
| 22:13.36 | GNUtoo | kristianpaul, first they don't release all the source code |
| 22:13.48 | abushcrafterforg | yes qualcomm evil grrr |
| 22:13.55 | GNUtoo | second, the modem controls way too much |
| 22:14.18 | abushcrafterforg | now to switch too Instant Bird |
| 22:14.36 | *** part/#qi-hardware abushcrafterforg (~alexander@85.211.125.196) |
| 22:15.25 | abushcrafterfor1 | thats better |
| 22:19.00 | abushcrafterfor1 | I wish I knew it's a spy device no matter what you do before I shide (can't spell) and said yes to dad. Maybe I had read before and forgot. Oh the cruse of it being cheaper at £60 or £70 :( |
| 22:19.38 | GNUtoo | http://replicant.us/2012/03/galaxy-s-support-upcoming/ |
| 22:19.54 | GNUtoo | altough paulk wants to do the gta04 first |
| 22:20.46 | abushcrafterfor1 | any way I am not enjoying android. now to join #cyanogenmod and see what I can do to improve my citizen spy device a bit |
| 22:21.01 | GNUtoo | what device do you have? |
| 22:21.23 | abushcrafterfor1 | Would ravar have gta04 but I don't have the money :(. maybe one day:) |
| 22:21.36 | GNUtoo | a galaxy S is cheap |
| 22:21.49 | GNUtoo | like between 150 and 200E |
| 22:21.58 | GNUtoo | so wait for it to be supported |
| 22:22.05 | GNUtoo | and once it's supported buy it |
| 22:22.41 | viric | gta04 is the name of a phone? |
| 22:22.56 | abushcrafterfor1 | new version of board |
| 22:23.13 | abushcrafterfor1 | smasung pay m$ |
| 22:23.38 | abushcrafterfor1 | £or was it $ 15 per phone |
| 22:23.43 | GNUtoo | why is that important? your freedom is more important than theses consideratiions |
| 22:24.16 | GNUtoo | viric, yes |
| 22:24.34 | abushcrafterfor1 | I know. I am stressed about it already. |
| 22:25.05 | viric | abush: why do you want a fancy phone? |
| 22:25.32 | abushcrafterfor1 | m$ of couse try to take away your freedom even when you don't use winloss |
| 22:25.45 | abushcrafterfor1 | viric: read the log |
| 22:25.55 | GNUtoo | viric, let me explain in simple words |
| 22:26.12 | abushcrafterfor1 | Ibut I will post again |
| 22:26.14 | GNUtoo | viric, are you aware that most non-free software spies or can spy? |
| 22:26.42 | viric | Yes. |
| 22:27.01 | GNUtoo | now knowing that, you may want free software controlling your phone because it would control the GPS, the microphone and such things |
| 22:27.05 | viric | for positioning, clear. tracking... |
| 22:27.28 | GNUtoo | now, to make that possible you need special hardware with a modem that is "isolated" |
| 22:27.29 | viric | and for the microphone, you could add some switch to it |
| 22:27.51 | GNUtoo | idealy the switch can be software |
| 22:28.07 | GNUtoo | like the main cpu(running replicant or SHR) controlling the switch |
| 22:28.11 | viric | ah, freedom and confort? |
| 22:28.44 | viric | comfort |
| 22:28.47 | GNUtoo | yes(if running replicant on a phone that is ok, like the nexus S) |
| 22:28.52 | abushcrafterfor1 | can you add a switch to the GPS. It could talk to the gps right, the firmware stuff in the chip? |
| 22:29.12 | abushcrafterfor1 | the can you is sarcastic |
| 22:29.22 | GNUtoo | basically the ideal phone has the following caracteristic: |
| 22:29.23 | viric | I don't have any gps |
| 22:29.27 | GNUtoo | * an isolated modem |
| 22:29.43 | GNUtoo | * only free software running on the main CPU(including bootloader etc...) |
| 22:30.00 | GNUtoo | the nexus S isn't that far from that |
| 22:30.04 | GNUtoo | it has the isolated modem |
| 22:30.12 | GNUtoo | but it has a non-free signed bootloader |
| 22:30.36 | GNUtoo | (and also has some non-free wifi+bluetooth firmwares) |
| 22:33.05 | abushcrafterfor1 | geeksphone was £60 or was it £70 on evilbay }:|. I thought I could at least remove the non-free software so I have a 700mhz pocket computer with a vibrator unlike the Nano Note but then I (re?)lean that no matter what I do it will always be a citizen spy device due to evilware in the SOC! :( |
| 22:33.38 | GNUtoo | unless you're very good at reverse engineering and low level stuff |
| 22:34.36 | abushcrafterfor1 | so in the end. its a disaster |
| 22:34.45 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 22:34.55 | GNUtoo | are you very good in C and low level? |
| 22:35.25 | abushcrafterfor1 | well I could always blow it up with gunpowder :D |
| 22:35.38 | abushcrafterfor1 | I have some :) |
| 22:35.58 | abushcrafterfor1 | but I can't afford that |
| 22:36.00 | GNUtoo | the first thing to do is to get rid of the proprietary libraries |
| 22:36.07 | GNUtoo | it's doable |
| 22:36.19 | abushcrafterfor1 | Thats what I made a start on |
| 22:36.21 | GNUtoo | then you'll need to go deeper in the modem |
| 22:36.30 | abushcrafterfor1 | bye bye drm |
| 22:36.44 | GNUtoo | since it's a shared memory you could look into the modem's memory |
| 22:36.56 | abushcrafterfor1 | I can't go that deep. Big newbie with no time |
| 22:36.57 | GNUtoo | and the countrary is valid too, the modem can look in the CPU memory |
| 22:37.02 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 22:37.10 | abushcrafterfor1 | lovey |
| 22:37.10 | GNUtoo | then maybe get another phone |
| 22:38.08 | abushcrafterfor1 | dad was not too keen on selling it (to some sucker). I guess he will have it. He don't care. |
| 22:38.14 | GNUtoo | a second hand galaxy S is not that expensive in europe, I don't know in countries like latin america where they have huges taxes on electronic devices comming from abroad |
| 22:38.27 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 22:38.36 | abushcrafterfor1 | but no money for nano note |
| 22:39.00 | GNUtoo | I've no nanote either(I've already too much devices) |
| 22:39.16 | abushcrafterfor1 | which I think is what I really would like. |
| 22:39.24 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 22:40.24 | abushcrafterfor1 | getting fed up with android design desions. I guess I will have to make do and remove the battery :D |
| 22:40.37 | abushcrafterfor1 | remove the battery a lot |
| 22:40.42 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 22:40.50 | abushcrafterfor1 | how sad |
| 22:41.24 | GNUtoo | at least you are aware for the next phone.... |
| 22:41.40 | abushcrafterfor1 | yep |
| 22:43.36 | abushcrafterfor1 | and I thought I knew, I had done the searching. darn memory. I didn't know all of what you lot have pointed out to me though. leaned some more :) |
| 22:51.35 | abushcrafterfor1 | a trouble with Samsung is you lose your hardware warranty. |
| 22:54.08 | abushcrafterfor1 | can't connect to #cyanogenmod hmm |
| 22:55.14 | GNUtoo | maybe you need to be registered on freenode for connecting on #cyanogenmod |
| 22:55.25 | abushcrafterfor1 | I am |
| 22:55.41 | abushcrafterfor1 | I forgot my password :D need to reset it |
| 22:55.45 | GNUtoo | but note that while cyanogenmod hate proprietary stuff, its users usually don't care about freedom and attack you on IRC if you do |
| 22:56.13 | GNUtoo | (its devs sometime reverse stuff because it's too hard to make the proprietary lib work) |
| 22:56.14 | abushcrafterfor1 | oh no not more open sourcers |
| 22:58.56 | abushcrafterfor1 | my brain now auto corrects things like linux to gnu/linux. I am now finding I have to go back and correct my self on articles about the kenal linux |
| 23:03.18 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 23:05.07 | abushcrafterfor1 | I digress |
| 23:09.58 | mth | Android is not a GNU system though, I think; at least it has its own libc |
| 23:10.16 | abushcrafterfor1 | I know |
| 23:10.19 | GNUtoo | as RMS says it "it has very little of GNU" or something like that |
| 23:11.15 | abushcrafterfor1 | Are you compiling mplayer with the OSD menu enabled? |
| 23:11.37 | GNUtoo | doesn't have a nanote.... |
| 23:12.36 | abushcrafterfor1 | are you = all people. Sorry not so good at quickly writing non rubbish. |
| 23:12.55 | GNUtoo | but I use OSD for mplayer |
| 23:13.01 | GNUtoo | like on freerunner |
| 23:13.02 | lindi- | GNUtoo: rms does not use phones afaik so I wouldn't trust his analysis on that :) |
| 23:13.45 | abushcrafterfor1 | takes me ages to write something decent and to do it properly properly |
| 23:13.55 | lindi- | but I've looked at android sdk to get at least some kind of overview of what's going on |
| 23:13.57 | GNUtoo | lindi-, he was well informed(by me) |
| 23:14.08 | abushcrafterfor1 | lol |
| 23:14.56 | abushcrafterfor1 | I have based my menu on um geexbox |
| 23:15.20 | abushcrafterfor1 | need to put on internet. though it's not finished. |
| 23:15.29 | abushcrafterfor1 | one year |
| 23:15.33 | abushcrafterfor1 | :) |
| 23:15.41 | GNUtoo | gitorious? |
| 23:16.03 | abushcrafterfor1 | the FS one I was thinking |
| 23:16.13 | abushcrafterfor1 | i forget name |
| 23:16.13 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 23:16.18 | GNUtoo | savanah? |
| 23:16.22 | abushcrafterfor1 | yep |
| 23:17.05 | abushcrafterfor1 | but if you want it now I could see about a quick dump. |
| 23:17.35 | abushcrafterfor1 | You could get it off my using filetea.me i think thats the address |
| 23:18.02 | abushcrafterfor1 | html5 p2p file transfer |
| 23:18.06 | abushcrafterfor1 | cool stuff |
| 23:18.22 | GNUtoo | hmm what is it for exactly? a menu for the nanonote |
| 23:18.31 | GNUtoo | because I've no nanote |
| 23:18.40 | abushcrafterfor1 | not just for nano note |
| 23:19.00 | abushcrafterfor1 | It works very well on low res screens |
| 23:19.10 | abushcrafterfor1 | large low res |
| 23:19.14 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 23:19.20 | GNUtoo | do you have screenshots? |
| 23:19.27 | GNUtoo | is it based on the efl? gtk? |
| 23:19.34 | abushcrafterfor1 | I was devolping it when I used puppy |
| 23:19.44 | abushcrafterfor1 | no gtk |
| 23:20.01 | abushcrafterfor1 | Might more in frame buffer. I don't know |
| 23:20.06 | abushcrafterfor1 | more = work |
| 23:20.42 | GNUtoo | what's puppy? a GNU/Linux distribution? |
| 23:20.45 | abushcrafterfor1 | its displayed on top of the video. like subtitles |
| 23:20.50 | abushcrafterfor1 | yep |
| 23:20.53 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 23:20.54 | abushcrafterfor1 | a non-free one |
| 23:21.18 | abushcrafterfor1 | it was to much mork update app manualy |
| 23:21.20 | GNUtoo | so....what was the toolkit name? |
| 23:21.37 | abushcrafterfor1 | I don't think it has one |
| 23:21.48 | GNUtoo | and what distro do you use on your nanonote if you have one, openwrt? or jlime? |
| 23:21.48 | abushcrafterfor1 | man mplayer |
| 23:22.20 | abushcrafterfor1 | no idea. |
| 23:22.21 | GNUtoo | I know a bit mplayer |
| 23:22.42 | GNUtoo | but I usually develop stuff using the slave protocol |
| 23:22.55 | abushcrafterfor1 | oh the osd menu is not very well documented. |
| 23:23.12 | abushcrafterfor1 | bash me |
| 23:23.14 | abushcrafterfor1 | lol |
| 23:23.24 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 23:23.36 | abushcrafterfor1 | I see what can done with bash thanks to puppy |
| 23:23.37 | GNUtoo | but I never needed the OSD menu |
| 23:23.52 | GNUtoo | I made stuff like a radio application |
| 23:23.54 | abushcrafterfor1 | its very quick |
| 23:24.01 | GNUtoo | in the tray bar |
| 23:24.09 | GNUtoo | that doesn't require osd at all |
| 23:24.16 | abushcrafterfor1 | or right |
| 23:25.15 | GNUtoo | I don't know if I published it but it's very specific and hardcoded |
| 23:25.46 | GNUtoo | like radio addresses are hardcoded in the python program |
| 23:35.47 | abushcrafterfor1 | http://hg.geexbox.org/geexbox-1.2/ |
| 23:35.58 | abushcrafterfor1 | http://download.geexbox.org/releases/ |
| 23:44.12 | kristianpaul | GNUtoo, should have a nanonote ;-) ! |
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| 23:47.56 | abushcrafterfor1 | http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=geexbox+1.&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=drc&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1066&bih=1049&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=memgIYa7qm0UHM:&imgrefurl=http://www.instantfundas.com/2008/12/how-to-play-movies-on-your-pc-like-dvd.html&docid=2ny9HsT5KPOKaM&imgurl=http://lh5.ggpht.com/_S0f-AWxKVdM/STUWF8fEtrI/AAAAAAAADvs/tzEASNw3I-I/geexbox-menu%25255B1%25255D.jpg&w=512&h=384&ei=5S5-T9yuMsL80QXo1NSIDg&zoom=1&iact=hc& |
| 23:48.14 | abushcrafterfor1 | darn he's left |
| 23:49.13 | abushcrafterfor1 | for the logs: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=geexbox+1.&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Qrc&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=2C5-T7DpH6jA0QXcy-SdDg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1066&bih=1049 |
| 23:52.31 | abushcrafterfor1 | or = oh |
| 23:53.41 | abushcrafterfor1 | My scripts use mplayer's slave a bit. |
