| 00:04:28 | scanline | carpman: I dunno if I told you already, but jimlay is working on a library that lets programs like fresco, ggi, picogui, and SDL access XFree 4.x video drivers =) |
| 00:04:54 | carpman | scanline: yeah, I was here for that discussion, I was just too busy to say anything |
| 00:04:59 | carpman | its sw33t |
| 00:05:04 | scanline | ah, ok. I forget easily |
| 00:05:53 | kergoth | woah. that'll be damn cool |
| 00:06:05 | file | ok I understand what I must do |
| 00:06:24 | scanline | kergoth: still debating whether to make it a hacked up version of X or a completely new library in #fresco |
| 00:06:24 | file | put my wireless and wired networks on two subnets, and route bethween |
| 00:06:34 | file | route betwheen them |
| 00:06:47 | kergoth | scanline: ahh |
| 00:06:55 | file | grrr |
| 00:06:55 | kergoth | scanline: i'd vote for a new lib, and make X use it too |
| 00:06:56 | file | between |
| 00:06:57 | kergoth | scanline: myself |
| 00:06:59 | kergoth | scanline: heh |
| 00:07:19 | scanline | kergoth: that'd definitely be the cleanest solution (and what I'd like to see too) but the X drivers are bad about calling functions from the rest of X |
| 00:07:42 | kergoth | scanline: yes, and it'd be more of a pain in the ass to implement, more work, but its definately the best solution imo |
| 00:08:19 | scanline | i'd be even cooler if there was something like this integrated with the kernel so apps didn't have to be root and mmap /dev/mem a bunch to do any accelerated video :) |
| 00:08:44 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:09:01 | kergoth | well, a lot of them have their own kernel drivers, but a standard interface for such things would be nice. |
| 00:09:29 | scanline | I thought DirectFB looked like a solution to that, but it takes the same approach as X |
| 00:09:41 | kergoth | yep, unfortunate. |
| 00:11:22 | file | thinks his connection isn't that good |
| 00:11:34 | scanline | file: on your DSL yet? |
| 00:11:38 | file | how long should it take an average ADSL user to download a 1mb file? |
| 00:11:42 | file | scanline: somewhat yes |
| 00:13:53 | scanline | file: i dunno, 30 seconds? |
| 00:14:29 | scanline | file: find a site that will test your bandwidth |
| 00:14:46 | carpman | scanline: well, that being said, DirectFB is hyper-cool. |
| 00:15:00 | file | ic |
| 00:15:04 | file | it took me 16 seconds |
| 00:15:17 | scanline | carpman: yeah, it just needs more drivers |
| 00:15:39 | scanline | carpman: if there was a shared memory layer between it and gtk/fb you could use it as a real GUI |
| 00:15:54 | carpman | yeah |
| 00:16:03 | file | I should download IE6 |
| 00:16:11 | file | or Mozilla! |
| 00:16:20 | carpman | Oh, btw. AoF3 handled it's first XML-RPC call into the object tree today! |
| 00:16:23 | carpman | is quite happy. |
| 00:16:43 | file | downloads Mozilla |
| 00:16:48 | file | 15% done already |
| 00:16:58 | scanline | carpman: what's that for? |
| 00:17:14 | carpman | scanline: it's kind of like a distributed database |
| 00:17:16 | file | I need to reinstall AIM too |
| 00:17:16 | kergoth | file: enjoying yourself? :-) |
| 00:17:20 | file | mutters stuff to himself |
| 00:17:22 | file | kergoth: very |
| 00:17:38 | file | I love it!!!! |
| 00:17:38 | carpman | scanline: except it does alot of non-database stuff. |
| 00:17:45 | carpman | I should probably make a page to explain it. |
| 00:17:47 | kergoth | file: nice, congrats |
| 00:17:57 | file | 100kb/sec, not bad |
| 00:18:03 | scanline | carpman: that's cool |
| 00:18:10 | scanline | I think :) |
| 00:18:18 | carpman | scanline: it is. |
| 00:18:34 | carpman | I'm going to kill Lotus with it. |
| 00:19:16 | carpman | This thing can totaly obsolete existing groupware, and do alot more besides. |
| 00:20:15 | kergoth | impressive. what is it? |
| 00:20:20 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:20:32 | carpman | kergoth: Arsenal Of Freedom 3 |
| 00:20:48 | kergoth | nice name ;-) |
| 00:21:05 | carpman | yeah, paying hommage to an old Dallas BBS I used to dial into alot. |
| 00:23:29 | file | is waiting for Mozilla to start |
| 00:23:40 | carpman | kergoth: I'll have a page up for AoF soon, and I might have a release soon. |
| 00:24:07 | carpman | I'm waiting on some data to start work on a big contract, so I'm trying to cram alot of development in on AoF3 before I start on this contract. |
| 00:24:40 | kergoth | ah, makes sense. sounds like it has a great deal of potential. hope it goes well. |
| 00:24:49 | file | mmm Mozilla is too slow |
| 00:24:52 | file | to IE6 I go! |
| 00:25:07 | carpman | Well, from scratch to a live object tree, thread manager, timekeeper, etc.. in 4 days. |
| 00:25:14 | carpman | It's going together quite well >:) |
| 00:25:42 | file | uninstall done |
| 00:27:21 | file | Microsoft is slow |
| 00:27:34 | file | I got a nice 100kb/sec from Mozilla's site, but a crummy 10kb/sec from theirs! |
| 00:27:40 | carpman | file: install service pack Linux, and all your speed problems will go away :) |
| 00:28:22 | file | my wireless cards don't work in Linux |
| 00:28:36 | file | but I would like aramius as a linux gateway box |
| 00:28:36 | carpman | file: write drivers! |
| 00:28:40 | file | it would solve all my problems |
| 00:28:45 | file | er azmarith I mean |
| 00:30:42 | file | oh well |
| 00:30:47 | file | I need to learn routing between subnets someday anyway |
| 00:48:40 | laodamas | seen scanline? |
| 00:48:44 | laodamas | seen scanline |
| 00:48:45 | scanline | yes |
| 00:48:48 | laodamas | ah |
| 00:48:52 | scanline | PicoBot: seen laodamas? |
| 00:48:52 | PicoBot | laodamas was last seen on #picogui 4 seconds ago, saying: ah [Sat Sep 14 19:55:04 2002] |
| 00:48:57 | | laodamas was last seen on #picogui 9 seconds ago, saying: ah [Sun Sep 15 01:48:48 2002] |
| 00:48:57 | scanline | ibot: seen laodamas? |
| 00:49:28 | laodamas | It used to work without directly addressing the bots |
| 00:49:35 | scanline | yes.. a while ago |
| 00:49:57 | scanline | I changed it, because picobot would always repeat long descriptions when anyone said "Hey scanline" or something |
| 00:50:08 | laodamas | I'm back early. I did not feel like racing a thunderhead |
| 00:50:37 | file | scanline: is the scanline cam up? |
| 00:50:40 | scanline | laodamas: ahh |
| 00:50:50 | KeyserSoze | two bots? |
| 00:50:50 | scanline | file: no, I haven't written a v4l driver for my firewire camera yet |
| 00:50:58 | laodamas | scanline: are the ecenter games on for tonight? |
| 00:51:04 | KeyserSoze | isn't that a bit gratuotiouos? |
| 00:51:04 | file | scanline: use the other one |
| 00:51:15 | scanline | file: but that one's... icky |
| 00:51:20 | file | scanline: USE IT! |
| 00:51:24 | scanline | laodamas: not that I know of |
| 00:51:29 | scanline | file: bah |
| 00:51:32 | laodamas | scanline: k |
| 00:51:44 | | picobot was last seen on #picogui 5 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: OK, scanline [Mon Sep 9 23:01:26 2002] |
| 00:51:44 | KeyserSoze | ibot: seen picobot? |
| 00:51:52 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen ibot? |
| 00:51:52 | PicoBot | ibot was last seen on #openzaurus 2 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying: rumour has it openzaurus is a Community version of the operating environment for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5x00[d] PDA. See http://openzaurus.sf.net/. or http://openzaurus.sf.net/feeds/3.0/ or see http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/openzaurus/FAQ [Thu Sep 12 15:47:33 2002] |
| 00:51:54 | file | scanline: tell me when it's up :p |
| 00:52:00 | | ibot was last seen on #bzflag 19 days, 1 hours, 24 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: ibot insult ibot [Tue Aug 27 00:27:15 2002] |
| 00:52:00 | laodamas | ibot: seen ibot? |
| 00:52:21 | laodamas | PicoBot: seen picobot? |
| 00:52:21 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'picobot', laodamas |
| 00:52:36 | KeyserSoze | doh! case-sensitivity! |
| 00:52:57 | laodamas | PicoBot: seen PicoBot? |
| 00:52:57 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'PicoBot', laodamas |
| 00:53:11 | scanline | it can't see itself |
| 00:53:30 | laodamas | it STILL can't see itself |
| 00:53:47 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen itself? |
| 00:53:47 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'itself', KeyserSoze |
| 00:53:55 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen myself? |
| 00:53:56 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'myself', KeyserSoze |
| 00:55:08 | file | pokes scanline |
| 00:55:15 | scanline | file: go away |
| 00:55:23 | file | scanline: I want to see the scanline cam! |
| 00:55:23 | fraggle | Picobot: seen boobies? |
| 00:55:23 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'boobies', fraggle |
| 00:55:30 | laodamas | PicoBot: poke scanline |
| 00:55:30 | PicoBot | laodamas: sorry... |
| 00:55:31 | KeyserSoze | poor you, then. |
| 00:56:21 | boobies | bounce |
| 00:56:33 | fraggle | PicoBot: seen boobies? |
| 00:56:33 | PicoBot | boobies was last seen on #picogui 13 seconds ago, saying: bounce [Sat Sep 14 20:02:36 2002] |
| 00:56:45 | fraggle | hooray |
| 00:56:52 | scanline | hehehe |
| 00:57:02 | laodamas | http;//story.news.yahoo.com/news/tmpl=story7u=52Fnm52F2002091052Fod-uk-nm52Foukoe-people-aldrin-1 |
| 01:03:53 | file | listens to some streaming audio |
| 01:05:20 | scanline | file: WOPN |
| 01:05:43 | KeyserSoze | grabs boobies |
| 01:05:47 | file | I want real music :p |
| 01:06:15 | file | ponders leaving his laptop on overnight for no reason |
| 01:06:30 | KeyserSoze | where'd the boobies go? |
| 01:07:36 | file | already listened to WOPN anyway |
| 01:41:25 | file | hey prpplague |
| 01:44:13 | prpplague | file: howdy |
| 01:44:21 | file | prpplague: how goes it? |
| 01:44:43 | prpplague | ssdd |
| 01:44:52 | file | prpplague : I got my ADSL!!! |
| 01:45:00 | prpplague | just drinking a beer and reading my ansi c book |
| 01:48:25 | file | prpplague : I've got a job for that TCSX-1! |
| 01:49:19 | prpplague | file: pr0n server? |
| 01:49:24 | file | no |
| 01:49:29 | file | internet gateway |
| 01:49:38 | file | I can't get my ADSL working on my workstation... |
| 01:49:47 | file | how soon can you get it here number one? |
| 03:29:56 | scanline | thinks everybody should join #wopn and listen to the open source radio broadcast, it's nifty! |
| 03:48:59 | eks | lo guys :) |
| 03:49:40 | scanline | hi eks |
| 03:49:43 | scanline | what's up? |
| 03:52:03 | eks | trying to port Gentoo Linux to DEC Alpha |
| 03:52:08 | scanline | cool |
| 03:52:09 | eks | you? |
| 03:52:23 | scanline | trying to work on the textbox widget, doing a better job of listening to WOPN :) |
| 03:53:47 | eks | ehehe |
| 03:53:58 | eks | textbox widget is still not done? |
| 03:54:13 | eks | it seems like half a year if not more that it's on the schedule :PP |
| 03:54:20 | scanline | haha |
| 03:54:25 | scanline | yeah... something like that |
| 04:22:12 | scanline | http://picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=82 |
| 05:16:43 | Zensunni | morning |
| 05:16:53 | scanline | hello |
| 05:16:53 | hikke | morning.. |
| 05:17:24 | Zensunni | have been toying with the idea of porting PicoGUI to a little embedded board we make at work... |
| 05:17:37 | Zensunni | was just digging for docs on the video buffer lib.... |
| 05:17:44 | Zensunni | couldn't seem to find anything on the web site |
| 05:18:20 | scanline | Zensunni: the server side has very little documentation so far |
| 05:18:27 | scanline | Zensunni: the video code is pretty easy to figure out though |
| 05:18:30 | Zensunni | so I noticed. |
| 05:18:37 | Zensunni | I'm leeching the snapshot currently |
| 05:18:46 | Zensunni | cool. |
| 05:19:09 | scanline | CVS? |
| 05:19:10 | Zensunni | hopefuly it will compile smaller on this arch, too... |
| 05:19:28 | Zensunni | yeh |
| 05:19:29 | scanline | the video layer is really flexible, so it should be able to handle anything you want to run it on |
| 05:19:38 | Zensunni | well, pgui-dev-latest.tar.gz |
| 05:19:51 | scanline | ah. It's better to use CVS directly, makes it easy to stay up to date |
| 05:19:55 | Zensunni | well, the first test is on a 320x240x1 display, so... |
| 05:20:09 | Zensunni | I don't think I have any cvs tools on this box... (or maybe I do) |
| 05:20:21 | Zensunni | can't remember... |
| 05:20:56 | Zensunni | my major concern is that the web page says the minimal size on x86 is 106K |
| 05:21:03 | Zensunni | add the 27K for the kernel, and we're over out 128K ROM limit |
| 05:21:12 | Zensunni | so I guess I'll look into compressed ROM images |
| 05:21:18 | scanline | 27k kernel? |
| 05:21:19 | scanline | what OS? |
| 05:21:22 | Zensunni | any idea what the memory overheads are like? |
| 05:21:44 | scanline | how much RAM do you have? |
| 05:21:48 | Zensunni | it's an embedded system... |
| 05:21:52 | Zensunni | 256K RAM |
| 05:21:58 | Zensunni | excluding video buffer |
| 05:22:05 | scanline | that should be enough ram for picogui |
| 05:22:18 | Zensunni | cool |
| 05:22:20 | scanline | but I doubt you got linux to 27k, and that's the only kernel picogui has been tested well on |
| 05:22:25 | scanline | what kernel is it? |
| 05:22:31 | Zensunni | it's not linux. |
| 05:22:44 | Zensunni | C-Executive, iirc... |
| 05:22:50 | scanline | never heard of it |
| 05:22:52 | Zensunni | I've been brought into this project fairly late... |
| 05:22:58 | Zensunni | yeah, well |
| 05:23:13 | Zensunni | as I said, it's aimed at embedded systems |
| 05:23:40 | Zensunni | about a year ago I wrote some graphics code for this system.... but it's very primative... (but servicable) |
| 05:23:54 | Zensunni | I'd rather a functioning GUI model written by people who know more about it than I (o8 |
| 05:24:01 | scanline | well.. at the moment you'll probably have a tough time running picogui on that. picogui needs to have a more modular network and OS abstraction system for it to run on non-POSIX-like systems well |
| 05:24:05 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:24:21 | scanline | though if you want to try porting picogui, patches are welcome :) |
| 05:24:23 | Zensunni | so, message queues won't cut it? |
| 05:24:36 | scanline | nah, message queues should be fine |
| 05:24:48 | scanline | just that the current code is written for BSD-style sockets |
| 05:24:53 | Zensunni | well, then... |
| 05:24:59 | scanline | it would take some refactoring of that code, or just some hacks with #ifdef |
| 05:25:03 | Zensunni | hmm |
| 05:25:09 | Zensunni | we have tried Adam Dunkels uIP and lwIP... |
| 05:25:21 | Zensunni | which can provide a Berkeley Sockets interface |
| 05:25:26 | Zensunni | but that's an overhead we don't need |
| 05:25:32 | scanline | yeah |
| 05:25:42 | Zensunni | perhaps I should look at abstracting the comms layer? |
| 05:25:52 | scanline | I suppose |
| 05:26:02 | scanline | looks like it will be some work to get picogui running on your platform... |
| 05:26:07 | Zensunni | waits for the d/l to finish.... |
| 05:26:16 | scanline | picogui would need some size trimming too |
| 05:26:19 | Zensunni | that's ok... I need something to keep me occupied (o8 |
| 05:26:24 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:26:26 | scanline | cool |
| 05:26:29 | Zensunni | and my video compression codec just isn't holding my attention |
| 05:28:50 | Zensunni | I'm assuming it's not difficult to add in just the widgets I'm using, and drop the rest? |
| 05:29:02 | Zensunni | from what I've seen it's fairly modular in that respect |
| 05:29:06 | scanline | some of the widgets are optional at compile time, but not all |
| 05:29:20 | scanline | shouldn't be hard to make more stuff optional, the config system is pretty easy to work with |
| 05:29:25 | Zensunni | ok |
| 05:29:31 | Zensunni | good to hear |
| 05:30:05 | scanline | another thing I'd try to make pgserver smaller is to make a system to determine unused video driver functions at compile-time and not compile them |
| 05:30:28 | scanline | since pgserver's video driver has a layered architecture, there are a lot of functions that get 'covered up' by functions layered over them |
| 05:30:45 | Zensunni | yeah |
| 05:30:49 | scanline | but that's hard to determine at compile time wihtout a perl script or something |
| 05:30:51 | Zensunni | I'll be building everything as a lib |
| 05:31:01 | Zensunni | well |
| 05:31:27 | Zensunni | I guess it might be a little like using *printf ... use a bit of it, get the whole lot |
| 05:32:11 | scanline | well the problem with the video driver functions is that they're layered at runtime. So there's always a reference to each video driver function, just that some get overwritten before they're called |
| 05:32:41 | scanline | so you'd have to have a script determine which video driver functions will be actually used, then strip the rest out |
| 05:33:10 | scanline | but there may be easier ways to shrink pgserver, you'll have to see what files end up largest in your configuration |
| 05:33:46 | Zensunni | yuh |
| 05:35:20 | scanline | what kind of GUI capabilities will your app need? |
| 05:35:46 | Zensunni | anywhere from "just text" to "what have you got?" |
| 05:35:52 | Zensunni | we do a lot of custom solutions |
| 05:35:54 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:36:04 | scanline | well, picogui's designed for scalability |
| 05:36:15 | Zensunni | good to hear. |
| 05:36:27 | Zensunni | I'm slowly educating my boss in the ways of modern programming. (o8 |
| 05:36:35 | Zensunni | he discovered the power of abstraction/interfaces |
| 05:37:02 | scanline | so far picogui has only really been used on devices ranging from cell-phone style devices with small screens and only a keypad, up through PDA and webpad style devices. We're trying to scale it to run effectively on desktops too, and it would be great to run on more deeply embedded devices like the one you're doing |
| 05:37:05 | Zensunni | when he ported my graphics code from the old display (8bit/pel) to the new display (1bpp), and just had to rewrite one layer... |
| 05:37:26 | scanline | Important to keep in mind that nobody's tried to use picogui on a device as small as yours though |
| 05:37:38 | Zensunni | that's about the scale of this. |
| 05:37:52 | Zensunni | as I said, we have 128K ROM, 256K RAM, a 14MHz 32bit CPU |
| 05:37:53 | scanline | I think the smallest one picogui has really been used on has 2MB ROM, 8MB RAM, and a 16mHz CPU |
| 05:38:04 | scanline | ah yeah, forgot to ask about the CPU |
| 05:38:08 | Zensunni | sometimes a keypad, sometimes a PS/2 keyboard interface (in and out) |
| 05:38:14 | scanline | right now it would be a major pain to port picogui to a 16-bit CPU :) |
| 05:38:19 | Zensunni | Hitachi H8/300H |
| 05:38:25 | Zensunni | nice CPU arch, all said. |
| 05:38:29 | scanline | nods |
| 05:38:31 | Zensunni | and they made a very clean move to 32bit |
| 05:38:39 | Zensunni | know it? |
| 05:38:46 | scanline | Haven't tested picogui on the H8 before |
| 05:38:54 | scanline | Isn't that the CPU that Lego Mindstorms use? |
| 05:39:04 | Zensunni | I believe so, yes. |
| 05:39:14 | scanline | only hitachi CPU I've ported picogui to was the SH4 |
| 05:39:25 | Zensunni | their 16bit model has R[0..7] 16bit regs... with RxL and RxH 8bits... |
| 05:39:44 | Zensunni | they added E[0..7] 16bit regs in the 300H, which can be accessed as ER[0..7] for 32bit |
| 05:40:04 | Zensunni | much cleaner than the bodge Intel used |
| 05:40:58 | Zensunni | well, hopefuly within the week I can give you some idea of the problems faced in a small env. with PicoGUI |
| 05:41:20 | scanline | cool |
| 05:41:31 | scanline | so.. why did you choose such a small hardware platform? |
| 05:41:44 | Zensunni | I didn't. |
| 05:41:48 | scanline | most of the new devices I've seen have ARM or MIPS CPUs, and a lot more memory |
| 05:41:53 | scanline | err, your company |
| 05:41:53 | Zensunni | it was finishing development when I joined the company |
| 05:42:13 | Zensunni | I'm pushing for more memory, etc... |
| 05:42:30 | Zensunni | but the price point they're aiming at often doesn't allow bigger CPUs, in fact |
| 05:42:36 | scanline | how cheap? |
| 05:43:18 | Zensunni | umm, I believe it's about A$50 a board. |
| 05:43:25 | Zensunni | so, that's around US$25 |
| 05:43:31 | scanline | nice |
| 05:44:11 | scanline | most of the stuff I've worked at was either high-end consumer products (PDAs and such) or specialized industrial/commercial hardware |
| 05:44:57 | scanline | softfield is selling VR3s (MIPS CPU, 8MB memory I think) PDAs for around $100 new.. that's the cheapest new PDA that picogui runs on |
| 05:45:10 | Zensunni | nice |
| 05:45:25 | Zensunni | I've been wanting to build something around the Alchemy Au1500.... |
| 05:45:27 | Zensunni | but not a PDA |
| 05:45:29 | scanline | you can find used VTech Helios for like $50, but they're rare now |
| 05:45:35 | Zensunni | problem is, they want something like US$5k for the dev kit |
| 05:45:40 | scanline | ouch |
| 05:45:53 | Zensunni | and for a personal project, that is way too much |
| 05:45:58 | scanline | yeah |
| 05:46:01 | Zensunni | even work would baulk at that price |
| 05:46:30 | scanline | what is the alchemy au1500> |
| 05:46:34 | scanline | s/>/?/ |
| 05:46:56 | Zensunni | MIPS chip, up to 500MHz |
| 05:47:00 | scanline | ooh |
| 05:47:14 | Zensunni | has PCI i/f, SDRAM i/f, ROM i/f, dual ethernet MAC |
| 05:47:17 | Zensunni | all built in |
| 05:47:22 | Zensunni | as well as USB, serial, etc etc |
| 05:47:27 | Zensunni | http://www.alchemysemi.com |
| 05:47:27 | scanline | sweet |
| 05:47:40 | Zensunni | was looking at building processing cards |
| 05:47:57 | Zensunni | hell, you could slap 4 of them into a PCI backplane with a SCSI controller, and have a cluster-in-a-box |
| 05:48:08 | scanline | I've been playing around with FPGAs a little recently.. I'd love to build a hardware accelerated picogui rendering engine in one :) |
| 05:48:26 | Zensunni | heh |
| 05:48:34 | Zensunni | one company build computers with them.... |
| 05:48:38 | Zensunni | claimed massive performance |
| 05:48:50 | Zensunni | because you could just load up "custom hardware" for your app... on demand |
| 05:49:06 | scanline | I've wanted to build an object-based language that could compile to software or hardware automatially for a while... haven't had near enough time of course |
| 05:49:15 | scanline | is that like what they did already? :-/ |
| 05:49:15 | Zensunni | hmm |
| 05:49:20 | Zensunni | now THAT I'd love to see |
| 05:49:32 | Zensunni | not sure... |
| 05:50:01 | scanline | the main problem is that all the FPGA tools are proprietary, so the runtime environment couldn't be built without a lot of reverse engineering |
| 05:50:13 | Zensunni | not quite all... |
| 05:50:19 | Zensunni | seen the Freedom CPU project? |
| 05:50:23 | scanline | no |
| 05:50:30 | scanline | googles |
| 05:50:33 | Zensunni | they've been pushing for OpenSource programmable logic tools |
| 05:50:38 | scanline | ahh |
| 05:50:39 | Zensunni | it's an open CPU architecture |
| 05:50:45 | Zensunni | quite clever, too, imho |
| 05:50:57 | scanline | I've seen lots of open IP cores and such, just haven't seen any open tools |
| 05:51:23 | Zensunni | 64 x 64bit regs... in chunks of 8, memory based... with a "L0" cache which only maps to the registers... |
| 05:51:43 | Zensunni | so, if you do a short task switch, and don't use all/many of the regs, they may still be in the L0 cache when you switch back |
| 05:51:54 | Zensunni | can cut down the overhads of task switches by a LOT |
| 05:52:09 | scanline | cool |
| 05:52:34 | Zensunni | also, many of the ops have a "SIMD" mode... |
| 05:52:46 | Zensunni | so, you can do a 16bit add, or 4x16bit add.... |
| 05:53:01 | Zensunni | there are some clever, and SIMPLE, ideas in it that make it quite effective |
| 05:53:16 | scanline | hehe.. yet another thing on my "Stuff I want to do list", design a SIMD CPU |
| 05:53:29 | Zensunni | heh |
| 05:53:37 | scanline | oh well... it's a long list |
| 05:54:35 | Zensunni | heh |
| 05:54:37 | Zensunni | it always is |
| 05:58:46 | Zensunni | 20020914... seems like a recent enough snapshot |
| 06:00:44 | Zensunni | any idea how much it assumes about type sizes? |
| 06:14:51 | scanline | most of the code uses typedefs, but it defaults to assuming long is 32-bit, int is 32-bit, short is 16-bit |
| 06:15:04 | Zensunni | hmm... |
| 06:15:12 | scanline | It should be using typedefs like u32, s32, u16, u8, and such anywhere it really matters though |
| 06:15:13 | Zensunni | well, in this case int is 16bit... |
| 06:15:19 | Zensunni | but we'll see... |
| 06:15:23 | Zensunni | ok |
| 06:15:25 | Zensunni | good |
| 06:15:27 | Zensunni | just making sure |
| 06:15:38 | Zensunni | hmm |
| 06:15:46 | Zensunni | I think the current display we have is already supported... that's a bonus |
| 06:16:07 | Zensunni | I know it's an Epson chip... just not sure it's the SED1386 |
| 09:45:56 | scanline | merges textbox_branch! |
| 09:47:14 | hikke | Cool |
| 09:47:39 | scanline | still lots of bugs to fix.. but (except for formatting) it's better than the old textbox |
| 10:37:51 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 10:44:08 | | File type identification utility. URL: ftp://ftp.astron.com/pub/file/ or mailto:joshnet@staticky.com |
| 10:44:08 | hikke | ibot: file? |
| 10:44:18 | hikke | Where's PicoBot? |
| 10:57:53 | lalo[out] | yay, textboxen. |
| 11:05:03 | scanline | hmm.. good question |
| 11:05:25 | | picobot was last seen on #picogui 5 days, 13 hours, 3 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: OK, scanline [Mon Sep 9 23:01:26 2002] |
| 11:05:25 | scanline | ibot: seen picobot? |
| 11:05:32 | scanline | huh? |
| 11:05:41 | scanline | hrm |
| 11:06:35 | lalo[out] | PicoBot: you? |
| 11:06:36 | PicoBot | i am DevGirl's faithful and loving minion. or a poor geek's address book or the alter-ego of Xentac's sister or funny |
| 12:13:39 | file | yawns |
| 12:13:49 | file | hi scanline |
| 12:13:51 | scanline | hi file |
| 12:14:04 | file | waits for the download of IE6 to be completed |
| 12:14:29 | file | I'm only getting 8kb/sec |
| 12:14:37 | scanline | ick |
| 12:14:40 | file | scanline: guess what my upstream is!!! |
| 12:14:53 | scanline | uh.. 1 byte per minute? |
| 12:14:57 | file | haha |
| 12:15:02 | file | 450k/sec |
| 12:15:07 | scanline | bits or bytes? |
| 12:15:11 | file | bits |
| 12:15:15 | scanline | hrm |
| 12:15:18 | scanline | not good, not bad |
| 12:15:24 | file | so-so |
| 12:15:30 | file | compared to your cable it's good :p |
| 12:15:42 | scanline | nah, it's about the same as my cable I think |
| 12:16:00 | file | enjoys the downstream the most |
| 12:16:36 | file | but I need azmarith! |
| 12:16:46 | file | unless I can figure out how to do routing between subnets |
| 12:18:10 | file | pokes scanline |
| 12:19:15 | file | there - 16kb/sec now |
| 12:20:38 | scanline | is away: fun |
| 12:20:43 | file | fun? I don't think so! |
| 12:25:27 | file | hi prpplague |
| 12:26:02 | prpplague | file: damn, don't you do any besides irc? |
| 12:26:19 | file | I'm upgrading my Internet Explorer and attempting to get ADSL setup on droid |
| 12:26:48 | file | :) |
| 12:27:05 | file | and would go alot easier if azmarith was here, I could use it as an internet gateway |
| 12:27:06 | prpplague | file: i know i must be seeing things....IE? |
| 12:27:36 | file | Internet Explorer... yes |
| 12:38:21 | prpplague | file: hmm, so do your parents know? i mean they wouldn't let you smole crack or drink beer, why do they poison your mind with winblows? |
| 12:38:31 | prpplague | s/smole/smoke |
| 12:48:30 | file | know what? |
| 12:53:20 | prpplague | that you use IE... |
| 12:56:52 | file | my step-dad uses it too :p |
| 13:02:40 | prpplague | file: hmm, thats awful |
| 16:36:48 | hofi | hello |
| 16:57:40 | file[droid] | pops in on some new PPPoE software he installed |
| 16:58:25 | Xentac | awakens |
| 16:58:37 | file[droid] | I need to switch my ADSL modem's power plugs |
| 16:58:38 | file[droid] | brb |
| 17:06:59 | file[droid] | there - all done |
| 17:07:40 | file[droid] | mmm |
| 17:16:12 | file[droid] | hi xai |
| 17:21:30 | Xentac | sits. |
| 17:31:52 | file[droid] | was in the living room browsing |
| 17:31:56 | file[droid] | god bless ADSL dude! |
| 17:32:14 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 17:32:54 | Xentac | hey, you should download some dvd rips from me... or the Belt cd... |
| 17:33:11 | file[droid] | uh no |
| 17:33:13 | file[droid] | lol |
| 17:33:17 | Xentac | why not? |
| 17:33:29 | file[droid] | how would I play them? |
| 17:33:48 | Xentac | well... you'd install mplayer if you wanted to see the dvd rips... (or just the divx5 codec, and windows media player) |
| 17:33:57 | Xentac | and you'd install xmms or winamp to play the Belt cd |
| 17:34:04 | file[droid] | but I have no systems capable of decoding DivX |
| 17:34:24 | Xentac | well then... listen to the Oggs |
| 17:34:26 | Xentac | likes them |
| 17:34:57 | file[droid] | according to my AUP, I can't run any servers |
| 17:35:21 | Xentac | AUP? |
| 17:35:32 | Xentac | notes that he can't run any servers either... but he does anyway. |
| 17:36:01 | file[droid] | Acceptable Use Policy |
| 17:36:04 | file[droid] | I probably will too |
| 17:36:29 | file[droid] | Xentac: want to VNC into my system? :) |
| 17:36:38 | Xentac | ummm... I could... |
| 17:37:36 | file[droid] | you can help me find a NAT based proxy software |
| 17:38:09 | Xentac | iptables and squid! |
| 17:38:15 | file[droid] | haha |
| 17:38:52 | file[droid] | listens to some streaming audio wirelessly |
| 17:39:39 | Xentac | wondered for a second why he was using up 12 gig... but then realized he had the whole Dragon dvd .vob files on his machine |
| 17:39:47 | file[droid] | I've got my PPPoE software setup to keep me connected 24/7 |
| 17:40:02 | Xentac | nods. |
| 17:40:14 | Xentac | so it's a linux system then? |
| 17:40:19 | file[droid] | nope |
| 17:40:22 | Xentac | :P |
| 17:40:24 | Xentac | bah |
| 17:40:28 | file[droid] | Windows NT rarely crashes |
| 17:40:33 | file[droid] | and if it does, usually because of bad drivers |
| 17:40:50 | Xentac | yeah, but I like linux better |
| 17:41:19 | Xentac | we had a win 2000 machine blow up on us last friday |
| 17:41:25 | file[droid] | lol |
| 17:41:33 | file[droid] | well if I had azmarith I'd use it for my firewall/gateway |
| 17:43:01 | Xentac | nods. |
| 17:45:14 | prpplague | file[droid]: you know that the tcsx-1 only has one nic? |
| 17:45:23 | file[droid] | prpplague: hub! |
| 17:45:39 | file[droid] | I can plug the modem into the hub, then use PPPoE on the TCSX-1 to establish a connection |
| 17:45:40 | prpplague | file[droid]: bub! |
| 17:45:49 | prpplague | then what? |
| 17:45:50 | file[droid] | prpplague: say, did you get it sent out yet? |
| 17:45:58 | prpplague | file[droid]: ya friday |
| 17:46:08 | file[droid] | k |
| 17:46:23 | file[droid] | then I use some of that fancy Linux software to have it so I can use it as a gateway on my Windows machines |
| 17:46:57 | prpplague | file[droid]: hmm, not sure how you could do that with only one nic |
| 17:47:09 | prpplague | file[droid]: anything with a single nic would not be secure |
| 17:47:32 | file[droid] | prpplague: I don't really need security |
| 17:47:48 | prpplague | famous last words |
| 17:48:04 | file[droid] | :) |
| 17:48:14 | file[droid] | the TCSX-1 will do fine |
| 17:48:21 | file[droid] | uh... it does have PPPoE in it's kernel doesn't it? |
| 17:49:10 | prpplague | file[droid]: it has whatever you put on it |
| 17:49:15 | file[droid] | prpplague: k |
| 17:49:20 | prpplague | file[droid]: it'll arrive blank |
| 17:49:34 | file[droid] | prpplague: no OS? |
| 17:49:40 | prpplague | nope |
| 17:49:49 | file[droid] | this'll be fun :) |
| 17:50:37 | prpplague | file[droid]: why? its nothing more than a 486dx-75 pc.... |
| 17:50:55 | file[droid] | prpplague: ...bah |
| 18:14:30 | file[droid] | anybody alive? |
| 18:15:28 | prpplague | no |
| 18:15:36 | file | calls 911 |
| 18:15:41 | file | or is it 912... |
| 18:15:51 | file | I have a question - why did they call it 911? |
| 18:19:26 | prpplague | file: the story i heard was the phone company had already implemented the software to read 411 for directory assitance and they didn't want to expand the software so they added a switch function |
| 18:20:12 | file | prpplague: oh ic |
| 18:47:58 | file | hey laodamas |
| 18:48:01 | laodamas | hey |
| 18:48:23 | file | what's up? |
| 18:49:10 | laodamas | Homework and technology research. |
| 18:49:21 | file | oh ic |
| 18:49:29 | laodamas | The new desktop Power4s are very droolworthy |
| 18:49:40 | file | neat |
| 18:50:04 | file | spent the last two days battling PPPoE software |
| 18:50:15 | laodamas | 2Ghz, 8-way superscaler, dual core |
| 18:50:47 | file | pokes scanline |
| 18:51:33 | laodamas | double percision SMID |
| 18:51:52 | file | grooves to some Jimmy Eat World |
| 19:39:27 | Xentac[laptop] | geez... my sister's making me eat her piece of ice cream cake... |
| 19:39:33 | Xentac[laptop] | pretty soon I'll be all fat and stuff... |
| 19:39:36 | file | lol |
| 19:39:49 | Xentac[laptop] | I'm still amazed that I'm 160 pounds... |
| 19:41:13 | kergoth | heh, it happens |
| 19:41:29 | kergoth | i was 100lbs my freshman year, 140 when i graduated, and 170 now |
| 19:41:41 | kergoth | if it continues at this rate i'm in trouble. |
| 19:41:42 | file | oh my |
| 19:41:44 | kergoth | ;-) |
| 19:41:47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:43:47 | Xentac[laptop] | heheh |
| 19:44:03 | Xentac[laptop] | freshman being like grade 10, is it? |
| 19:44:18 | Xentac[laptop] | hasn't gained all that much weight since then... probably... like... 30 pounds... |
| 19:46:00 | laodamas | has gained no weight since freshman year: 170lbs +/- 10lbs |
| 19:46:48 | kergoth | I'm 5'8" .. 170 is about where i'd be happy to stay, hopefully i dont gain much beyond this, unless its pure muscle being gained |
| 19:46:51 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:52:21 | Xentac[laptop] | is 5'8" and 160... |
| 19:52:21 | Xentac[laptop] | but just about all of it is muscle |
| 19:52:21 | Xentac[laptop] | tries his new laptop outside |
| 19:52:35 | Xentac[laptop] | everyone still there? |
| 19:52:37 | file | yup |
| 19:52:54 | Xentac[laptop] | ok... did you get all my messages? about being 5'8, muscle, and my laptop outside? |
| 19:53:01 | file | yes |
| 19:53:05 | Xentac[laptop] | oh, ok |
| 19:53:20 | Xentac[laptop] | more or less lost his internet connection, cause he was going through too many walls.. |
| 19:53:25 | file | oh ic |
| 19:54:44 | Xentac[laptop] | gets a fair amount of packet loss out here... |
| 19:55:06 | file | that sux |
| 19:57:00 | Xentac[laptop] | yeah... it's going up a floor and through about 4-5 walls... |
| 19:57:00 | Xentac[laptop] | and the sun's really bright... |
| 19:57:00 | Xentac[laptop] | 'me goes back inside now. |
| 19:57:00 | Xentac[laptop] | that's better... |
| 19:57:26 | file | :) |
| 21:10:09 | carpman{work} | hi all |
| 21:11:00 | carpman{work} | PicoBot: seen file |
| 21:11:00 | PicoBot | file was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 13 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: :) [Sun Sep 15 15:03:44 2002] |
| 21:11:33 | carpman{work} | PicoBot: seen scanline |
| 21:11:34 | PicoBot | scanline was last seen on #picogui 8 hours, 50 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: is away: fun [Sun Sep 15 07:26:54 2002] |
| 21:22:32 | KeyserSoze | did /me ever mention that /me hates win98? |
| 21:24:04 | KeyserSoze | tried to delete about 300mb in a directory on his win98 (for gaming) machine, and stupid fat32 is taking 4 hours to do it. |
| 21:24:16 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 21:24:58 | KeyserSoze | literally, 4 hours. no exageration. and it is not going to the 'recycle bin', it is being deleted. |
| 21:25:26 | Xentac | like, with del or you mean emptying the recycle bin? |
| 21:25:33 | Xentac | cause that shouldn't take that long... |
| 21:25:55 | KeyserSoze | if you hold down shift when you right click, you can get a real delete, not 'move to recycle bin' |
| 21:26:19 | KeyserSoze | and it doesn't say 'moving to recycle bin' like it does if you do a regular delete, it says " |
| 21:26:20 | Xentac | oh, ok |
| 21:26:24 | KeyserSoze | "deleting". |
| 21:26:26 | Xentac | knows theone |
| 21:26:32 | Xentac | there's just many different ways to do it |
| 21:26:33 | Xentac | that's all |
| 21:26:42 | KeyserSoze | maybe there is a better way... |
| 21:29:29 | | PicoBot was last seen on #picogui 5 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: OK, scanline [Mon Sep 9 23:01:26 2002] |
| 21:29:29 | KeyserSoze | ibot: seen PicoBot? |
| 21:31:34 | carpman{work} | It would be cool to get PicoBot and ibot into a endless loop |
| 21:31:55 | carpman{work} | on another channel, of course :) |
| 21:31:59 | Xentac | not for scanline ;o) |
| 21:32:19 | carpman{work} | hehe |
| 21:38:14 | | it has been said that picobot is "picobot: ibot?" |
| 21:38:14 | KeyserSoze | ibot: picobot? |
| 21:38:20 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: ibot? |
| 21:38:20 | PicoBot | ibot is "ibot: picobot?" |
| 21:38:56 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: here... it'd be like this... |
| 21:39:01 | | Xentac: I forgot picobot |
| 21:39:01 | Xentac | ibot: forget picobot |
| 21:39:06 | KeyserSoze | maybe it doesn't work because of the quotes. if i leave the quotes off, it thinks it is a question though. |
| 21:39:12 | | i don't know, xentac |
| 21:39:12 | Xentac | ibot: picobot is <reply>picobot: ibot? |
| 21:39:17 | | xentac: bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:39:17 | Xentac | ibot: picobot is <reply> picobot: ibot? |
| 21:39:22 | Xentac | hmmm... |
| 21:39:23 | KeyserSoze | the question mark... |
| 21:39:26 | Xentac | ah |
| 21:39:28 | | i haven't a clue, xentac |
| 21:39:28 | Xentac | ibot: picobot is <reply> picobot: ibot\? |
| 21:39:35 | | OK, Xentac. |
| 21:39:35 | Xentac | ibot: picobot is <reply> picobot: ibot\ |
| 21:39:42 | | picobot: ibot\ |
| 21:39:42 | Xentac | ibot: PicoBot |
| 21:39:43 | | picobot: ibot\ |
| 21:39:43 | KeyserSoze | ibot: picobot? |
| 21:39:51 | Xentac | gonna fix that... |
| 21:40:00 | | Xentac: I forgot picobot |
| 21:40:00 | Xentac | ibot: forget PicoBot |
| 21:40:06 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: forget ibot |
| 21:40:07 | PicoBot | KeyserSoze: I forgot ibot |
| 21:40:12 | | OK, Xentac. |
| 21:40:12 | Xentac | ibot: PicoBot is <reply> picobot: ibot |
| 21:40:24 | Xentac | PicoBot: ibot is <reply> ibot: picobot |
| 21:40:26 | PicoBot | OK, Xentac. |
| 21:40:30 | | i don't know, xentac |
| 21:40:30 | Xentac | ibot: picbot? |
| 21:40:33 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: ibot? |
| 21:40:33 | | picobot: ibot |
| 21:40:33 | Xentac | ibot: picobot? |
| 21:40:33 | PicoBot | ibot: picobot |
| 21:40:41 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: ibot? |
| 21:40:41 | PicoBot | ibot: picobot |
| 21:40:42 | Xentac | hmmm... |
| 21:40:50 | | picobot: ibot |
| 21:40:50 | Xentac | ibot: picobot |
| 21:40:57 | Xentac | very interesting... |
| 21:41:21 | KeyserSoze | do they know not to reply to each other? |
| 21:41:36 | KeyserSoze | i guess so |
| 21:41:38 | Xentac | I guess so |
| 21:41:42 | Xentac | ah well |
| 21:42:17 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze is <reply> KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:42:34 | KeyserSoze | KeyserSoze: Xentac is <reply> Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:42:34 | Xentac | OK, KeyserSoze |
| 21:42:46 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:42:53 | Xentac | but KeyserSoze is <reply> KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:43:00 | KeyserSoze | doh! |
| 21:43:07 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: forget KeyserSoze |
| 21:43:11 | Xentac | OK, KeyserSoze |
| 21:43:17 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze is <reply> KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:43:39 | Xentac | OK, KeyserSoze |
| 21:43:45 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:43:59 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:44:01 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:44:02 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:44:04 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:44:05 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:44:06 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:44:07 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:44:08 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:44:09 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:44:10 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:44:16 | Xentac | . o O (Just a bunch of kids we are) |
| 21:44:16 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:44:19 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:44:31 | KeyserSoze | created an infinite loop! |
| 21:44:39 | Xentac | KeyserSoze: Xentac |
| 21:44:41 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: forget KeyserSoze |
| 21:44:44 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: KeyserSoze |
| 21:44:52 | Xentac | bugger all |
| 21:45:08 | KeyserSoze | KeyserSoze: forget Xentac |
| 21:45:12 | KeyserSoze | OK, KeyserSoze |
| 21:45:59 | KeyserSoze | tries to instigate a fight between the bots. |
| 21:46:06 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: ibot is a dork. |
| 21:46:07 | Xentac | thinks he's going to go out and buy a book today... the problem is that the book he wants probably isn't in stores... |
| 21:46:10 | PicoBot | ...but ibot is <reply> ibot: picobot... |
| 21:46:17 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: forget ibot |
| 21:46:18 | PicoBot | KeyserSoze: I forgot ibot |
| 21:46:24 | | KeyserSoze: I forgot picobot |
| 21:46:24 | KeyserSoze | ibot: forget picobot |
| 21:46:30 | KeyserSoze | what book, Xentac? |
| 21:46:37 | | OK, KeyserSoze. |
| 21:46:37 | KeyserSoze | ibot: picobot is a dork! |
| 21:46:45 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: ibot is lame! |
| 21:46:47 | PicoBot | OK, KeyserSoze. |
| 21:46:48 | Xentac | House Of Leaves |
| 21:46:51 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: ibot? |
| 21:46:52 | PicoBot | ibot is lame! |
| 21:47:03 | | i don't know, keysersoze |
| 21:47:03 | KeyserSoze | ibot, did you hear what picobot said about you? |
| 21:47:10 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 21:47:11 | KeyserSoze | Leaves of grass? |
| 21:47:22 | Xentac | ummm... no...? |
| 21:47:33 | KeyserSoze | never heard of house of leaves. |
| 21:47:58 | KeyserSoze | doesn't think a house of leaves would stand up to a canadian winter |
| 21:48:03 | Xentac | it's not a very familiar book... written by Mark Danielowski (probably spelled it wrong)... he's Poe's brother... |
| 21:48:10 | Xentac | no, probably not |
| 21:48:17 | KeyserSoze | Ed Poe? or the singer? |
| 21:48:27 | Xentac | the singer |
| 21:49:06 | KeyserSoze | what kind of book? |
| 21:49:08 | KeyserSoze | novel? |
| 21:49:11 | KeyserSoze | poetry? |
| 21:49:11 | Xentac | yup |
| 21:49:18 | Xentac | it's written interestingly though |
| 21:49:18 | KeyserSoze | on the first guess! |
| 21:49:29 | Xentac | not just left to right... but sometimes up and down... and sometimes in circles... |
| 21:49:34 | Xentac | it follows the flow of the story |
| 21:49:37 | KeyserSoze | damn, i'm hot tonight. gonna go down to the track and bet it all on a pony. |
| 21:49:44 | Xentac | :) |
| 21:49:59 | KeyserSoze | the direction the text reads in changes? |
| 21:50:10 | KeyserSoze | that's odd. |
| 21:50:11 | Xentac | thinks he'll head off to Chapters very soon to see if they have it in stock (doubtful) |
| 21:50:13 | Xentac | yeah |
| 21:50:19 | Xentac | I want to read it because I think it'll be neat |
| 21:50:28 | KeyserSoze | suggests amazon.com or similar |
| 21:50:30 | Xentac | from what I've heard he's a good writter |
| 21:50:41 | Xentac | yeah... but then I have to wait for it... I might as well order it locally |
| 21:50:46 | KeyserSoze | does he have a sultry voice like his sister? |
| 21:50:49 | Xentac | but I have to get out there before the stores close to see if it's around ;o) |
| 21:51:04 | Xentac | have you ever heard the song called 'Hey Pretty'? |
| 21:51:09 | KeyserSoze | yup. |
| 21:51:12 | Xentac | the one with the guy who sounds like he's reading |
| 21:51:15 | Xentac | (there are at least 2 versions) |
| 21:51:29 | KeyserSoze | maybe. i mostly just hear the hot chick. |
| 21:51:38 | KeyserSoze | oddly enough, I can tell she's hot just by her voice. |
| 21:51:41 | Xentac | yeah... well... that guy is Mark |
| 21:51:42 | Xentac | :) |
| 21:51:46 | Xentac | she does have a very hot voice |
| 21:51:51 | Xentac | would also like to meet Poe... she seems really cool |
| 21:52:01 | KeyserSoze | don't tell icky though, he'll say the song is sad and opressed. |
| 21:52:08 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 21:52:16 | Xentac | most of her songs do have a dark side to them |
| 21:52:21 | KeyserSoze | sophie is playing Poe right now, by coincidence |
| 21:52:33 | Xentac | nods. |
| 21:52:37 | Xentac | is it the Haunted CD? |
| 21:52:46 | KeyserSoze | no, sophie nods. |
| 21:52:53 | Xentac | huh...? |
| 21:52:57 | KeyserSoze | it is from "the saint" soundtrack. |
| 21:53:01 | Xentac | nods. |
| 21:53:02 | kergoth | how does one nod a no? |
| 21:53:05 | Xentac | ah |
| 21:53:06 | kergoth | looks confused |
| 21:53:06 | KeyserSoze | i don't know. |
| 21:53:09 | KeyserSoze | let me try. |
| 21:53:09 | Xentac | isn't sure. |
| 21:53:27 | KeyserSoze | damn, didn't work. |
| 21:53:30 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 21:53:53 | Xentac | hey... I could just call them to see if they have it in stock! |
| 21:53:56 | KeyserSoze | i did it! |
| 21:54:01 | Xentac | that would save me a 30 minute drive! |
| 21:54:03 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 21:54:04 | KeyserSoze | I said 'no', but I nodded my head. |
| 21:54:11 | KeyserSoze | it's hard, but doeable. |
| 21:54:14 | Xentac | hehehe |
| 21:54:24 | kergoth | lol, that confuses my brain to try that |
| 21:54:25 | KeyserSoze | just takes a little practice. |
| 21:54:28 | Xentac | like walking up stairs and chewing bubble gum? |
| 21:55:08 | KeyserSoze | shake, that's what it's called. |
| 21:55:25 | KeyserSoze | sophie shook her head 'no'. |
| 21:55:36 | kergoth | ah, that makes a bit more sense :) |
| 21:55:57 | KeyserSoze | wants a zaurus, but doesn't want to pay for one. |
| 21:56:04 | KeyserSoze | well, at least not $300+ |
| 21:56:09 | KeyserSoze | am I getting like file? |
| 21:56:53 | KeyserSoze | my SNR has been offally low, lately. |
| 21:57:23 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen gonkulator? |
| 21:57:24 | PicoBot | gonkulator was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 8 hours, 41 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: If anyone needs to contact me, my email address is lottabs2@yahoo.com. I'll check it frequently. [Sat Sep 14 08:22:22 2002] |
| 21:57:30 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen gonkulator[work] |
| 21:57:31 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'gonkulator[work]', KeyserSoze |
| 21:57:42 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen gonkulator{worl |
| 21:57:43 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'gonkulator{worl', KeyserSoze |
| 21:58:03 | KeyserSoze | PicoBot: seen gonkulator{wor1 |
| 21:58:04 | PicoBot | I haven't seen 'gonkulator{wor1', KeyserSoze |
| 21:59:30 | KeyserSoze | if you had to listen to a paul, |
| 21:59:41 | KeyserSoze | would it be 'oakenfold' or 'van dyke'? |
| 21:59:45 | KeyserSoze | Sophie needs to know. |
| 21:59:51 | KeyserSoze | i think for school, or something. |
| 22:01:35 | KeyserSoze | (it wasn't for school, i made that last part up) |
| 22:01:48 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:01:53 | kergoth | oakenfold all the way :-) |
| 22:01:58 | Xentac | sweet! they've got copies in! |
| 22:03:07 | KeyserSoze | Xentac: dude is <reply> sweet! |
| 22:03:18 | KeyserSoze | KeyserSoze: sweet is <reply> dude! |
| 22:04:37 | KeyserSoze | :) |
| 22:05:01 | Xentac | tries to find some socks... |
| 22:05:40 | Xentac | someone wanna DCC their socks to me? |
| 22:11:05 | Xentac | leaves to go buy that book now |
| 22:11:10 | Xentac | is away: book shopping |
| 22:45:33 | Zensunni | morning |
| 22:46:13 | file | hi |
| 22:46:16 | file | evening here |
| 22:47:58 | Zensunni | it's always morning somewhere... |
| 22:48:09 | Zensunni | it's almost 10am here, for instance. (o8 |
| 22:48:13 | file | hehe |
| 22:50:38 | Zensunni | ah well... |
| 22:50:51 | Zensunni | am about to try to build PicoGUI for the Hitachi H8/300H |
| 22:52:15 | file | wow |
| 22:52:25 | file | reminds me of the Cybiko |
| 22:52:38 | Zensunni | ? |
| 22:52:49 | Zensunni | of course, it would be nice if the damn config/make system would pay attention.... |
| 22:52:53 | file | it's a handheld device, uses a Hitachi H8S |
| 22:53:15 | Zensunni | it's not. |
| 22:53:22 | Zensunni | and we already have the H8/300H in use |
| 22:53:29 | file | nods |
| 22:53:44 | Zensunni | how the fsck do I get this thing to use the target I specify? |
| 22:53:51 | file | shrugs |
| 22:53:52 | Zensunni | because specifying --target to configure isn't working |
| 22:54:21 | file | downloads Doom2 from navi |
| 22:54:37 | Zensunni | and every makefile specifies CC and friends all over again, instead of inheriting them |
| 22:54:40 | Zensunni | navi? |
| 22:54:51 | file | Zensunni: it's scanline's box, I store stuff on it |
| 22:55:07 | file | Zensunni: big files I'd get when I got broadband - yesterday I got broadband so I'm downloading stuff :) |
| 22:55:10 | Zensunni | ah, ok |
| 22:55:15 | Zensunni | heh |
| 22:55:24 | file | scanline is Micah Dowty btw, creator of PicoGUI |
| 22:55:35 | Zensunni | damn... forgot to bring my Zip250 to work so I could drag home the stuff I leeched on the weekend. (o8 |
| 22:55:41 | Zensunni | yes... I met him here last night |
| 22:55:43 | file | hehe |
| 22:55:49 | file | k, didn't know |
| 22:56:07 | file | I think scanline is capped again |
| 22:56:48 | file | *sigh* do I want to spend 20 minutes downloading Quake 1.06 to one server, then to my home machine... |
| 22:57:36 | file | Zensunni: oh that reminds me... make menuconfig? |
| 22:57:40 | Zensunni | on a bit of a retro kick, huh? |
| 22:57:48 | Zensunni | tried that... doesn't seem to give me the option... |
| 22:57:52 | file | ic |
| 22:57:54 | file | hehe |
| 22:58:07 | file | I've never used Quake... and what better place to start then the beginning? |
| 22:58:35 | Zensunni | fair enough |
| 22:58:55 | Zensunni | interesting... selecting a different platform in menuconfig didn't change the CC at all |
| 22:58:58 | file | and Doom2... I've always loved Doom |
| 22:59:10 | file | arg - 13.72kb/sec on a 416k SDSL connection! |
| 22:59:52 | Zensunni | cope. I've only a 56k modem at home. :( |
| 23:00:02 | Zensunni | grrr |
| 23:00:16 | Zensunni | what is the point of all this "configure" script stuff if it's just going to be ignored?? |
| 23:00:52 | Zensunni | vents |
| 23:01:46 | file | it's to annoy you :) |
| 23:02:21 | file | offers Zensunni some salt & vinegar chips |
| 23:02:54 | Zensunni | munches absent-mindedly |
| 23:07:03 | Zensunni | ah well... |
| 23:07:10 | Zensunni | this will have to be put on hold for a while, I guess |
| 23:08:21 | file | wait till scanline is back :) |
| 23:10:13 | file | THEN GROOVE OUT! |
| 23:15:53 | Zensunni | heh |
| 23:16:22 | file | hi prpplague |
| 23:18:31 | prpplague | file: howdy |
| 23:18:53 | file | prpplague: how's 'da family? |
| 23:28:44 | prpplague | wifes a bitch, kids a brat, but my strongarm stuff is going great! |
| 23:29:14 | prpplague | file: jk |
| 23:29:42 | file | :) |
| 23:30:07 | prpplague | well maybe kidding about my son, lol |
| 23:50:08 | Xentac | is back (gone 01:38:57) |
| 23:50:21 | file | wb Xentac |
| 23:51:08 | Xentac | thanks |
| 23:51:13 | Xentac | but now I have a book to read |
| 23:51:33 | file | k |
| 23:51:40 | Xentac | is away: book reading |