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| 00:04.26 | summatusmentis | can all 128Mb of the 1000's flash, be used for memory? |
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| 00:24.37 | sirius | hmmm 2000mah battery available on ebay for the Sl-5500 |
| 00:25.36 | summatusmentis | not that I'd really know, but I've always been kind of iffy about purchasing third party batteries for a PDA that isn't made anumore |
| 00:25.36 | summatusmentis | s/anumore/anymore |
| 00:25.36 | sirius | true |
| 00:25.46 | sirius | i just made my own battery extender |
| 00:25.51 | sirius | for $6.00 |
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| 00:33.35 | siriusnova | woops |
| 00:37.57 | siriusnova | anway |
| 00:37.59 | siriusnova | anyway |
| 00:38.06 | siriusnova | i build my own battery pack |
| 00:39.20 | summatusmentis | how's that going for you? |
| 00:39.34 | siriusnova | pretty nicely |
| 00:39.41 | siriusnova | cost me like 4 bucks in parts to build |
| 00:39.47 | siriusnova | aside from the batteries |
| 00:40.04 | siriusnova | and with 4 2500mah NIMH AA sized batteries it lasts a long time, 5+ hours |
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| 00:40.09 | siriusnova | with wifi |
| 00:40.11 | summatusmentis | yeah, I don't like the idea of carrying a pack of batteries around in my pocket w/ my Z |
| 00:40.28 | siriusnova | i just put some velcro on the case of the battery pack |
| 00:40.32 | siriusnova | and stuck it to my Z |
| 00:40.33 | siriusnova | :P |
| 00:40.44 | summatusmentis | heh, I carry enough other stuff in my pockets... |
| 00:40.56 | syn-- | wifi dildo? |
| 00:41.21 | summatusmentis | syn--, pardon? |
| 00:41.39 | syn-- | nm |
| 00:41.45 | siriusnova | lol |
| 00:50.42 | summatusmentis | how much of the 128Mb flash that the 1000 has is usable as memory? |
| 00:54.40 | AzzIzzA | what do you mean memory? |
| 00:58.03 | summatusmentis | RAM, whatever it is that swap space emulates |
| 00:58.22 | summatusmentis | aaahhh... gotta love the confusing world of embedded systems |
| 01:01.13 | AzzIzzA | you can make a swap file as big as your free space |
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| 01:01.22 | AzzIzzA | so probably somewhere between 50 and 70mb |
| 01:01.31 | kolla | swap to ramdisk is nice :) |
| 01:01.46 | AzzIzzA | i would strongly advise against putting swap on your internal flash |
| 01:01.57 | AzzIzzA | kolla: why not just have it as ram? |
| 01:02.12 | kolla | no sense of humor, huh? :) |
| 01:02.23 | summatusmentis | AzzIzzA, the plan would be have a loop image on sd |
| 01:02.37 | AzzIzzA | kolla: sorry, ive seen people actually arguing that sort of thing before |
| 01:03.10 | AzzIzzA | summatusmentis: still you are better off not wearing out the internal flash if you can help it |
| 01:03.23 | summatusmentis | so where does ram happen? |
| 01:03.37 | AzzIzzA | what do you mean where does it happen? |
| 01:03.46 | summatusmentis | in a computer, you have ram, and the HD |
| 01:04.04 | AzzIzzA | same in the z, you have ram and flash |
| 01:04.05 | summatusmentis | on the Z, I'd be using an sd card as the 'HD', so where does the ram go? |
| 01:04.17 | summatusmentis | ok, so how much ram does the 1000 have available? |
| 01:04.25 | AzzIzzA | 64mb from memory |
| 01:04.40 | summatusmentis | and the other 64mb would be used as the 'hd' |
| 01:04.43 | summatusmentis | ok, thanks |
| 01:04.49 | AzzIzzA | no |
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| 01:04.54 | AzzIzzA | you have 64mb of ram |
| 01:04.57 | AzzIzzA | and you have flash |
| 01:05.01 | AzzIzzA | they arent connected |
| 01:05.04 | kolla | AzzIzzA: well, there are times when it makes sense, like on old amigas with lots of slow system ram on the extension bus.. AFAIK there's no way to tell linux to prioritze fast RAM, but if you spend all the slow ram to a ramdisk, and swap to it... :) |
| 01:05.46 | AzzIzzA | kolla: fair enough |
| 01:06.47 | summatusmentis | so... 128Mb flash(acting as 'HD'), + 64Mb ram? |
| 01:08.17 | AzzIzzA | yes |
| 01:08.40 | AzzIzzA | with the notable exception that unlike a hard disk flash with wear out after a certain amount of use |
| 01:08.50 | AzzIzzA | which is why its generally a bad idea to put swap on it |
| 01:09.00 | summatusmentis | AzzIzzA, ah, ok |
| 01:09.05 | summatusmentis | that's where I was confused, thanks |
| 01:09.33 | summatusmentis | so then how would one use the 128Mb internal flash, if I were going to use a loop image on sd? |
| 01:10.18 | AzzIzzA | i leave mine alone, ive got a 2gb sd card, an extra 128mb really isnt worth the hassle, and as an added bonus im extending its life |
| 01:10.43 | summatusmentis | ok, is there a huge reason to use 1gb sd vs. 2gb sd? |
| 01:10.43 | AzzIzzA | if you want you could use it for stuff thats rarely/never going to change or be deleted |
| 01:10.52 | summatusmentis | assuming I'm not doing music/movies? |
| 01:10.57 | AzzIzzA | 1gb is better supported |
| 01:11.02 | AzzIzzA | 2gb gives you more space |
| 01:11.14 | AzzIzzA | if you dont think you will use over 1gb dont bother |
| 01:11.20 | summatusmentis | well, right, but is the space necessary? |
| 01:11.36 | summatusmentis | I've got very little on it right now, but that's partially because of the screen on the 5500 |
| 01:11.53 | AzzIzzA | no, oz needs 50-60mb, the rest is for your personal use |
| 01:12.29 | summatusmentis | ok, thanks |
| 01:12.33 | AzzIzzA | no worries |
| 01:12.45 | summatusmentis | then it's looking like I'm gonna get a used 1000 from conics |
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| 04:18.51 | kantlivelong | lo all |
| 04:19.19 | sirius | hi |
| 04:19.49 | summatusmentis | hey there kantlivelong |
| 04:20.30 | kantlivelong | i got a nice fluxbox setup working now :) |
| 04:20.41 | kantlivelong | just wish suspend worked |
| 04:23.35 | summatusmentis | flux on the Z? |
| 04:23.53 | summatusmentis | that seems kind of....well, pointless |
| 04:24.33 | kantlivelong | why so |
| 04:25.17 | summatusmentis | just that most of the stuff that I used flux for(keybindings etc) seems to be difficult to do w/ the functionality of the Z |
| 04:25.53 | kantlivelong | summatusmentis: menu button all is in menu.. no elaborate WM icon crap... i can do all you can in GPE but from a single small men |
| 04:25.56 | kantlivelong | menu* |
| 04:26.26 | summatusmentis | don't take it the wrong way, just my personal opinion |
| 04:26.30 | summatusmentis | how well does it work? |
| 04:26.34 | summatusmentis | stylus usage? |
| 04:26.48 | kantlivelong | works pretty damn good |
| 04:27.03 | kantlivelong | still some bugs but yeah |
| 04:27.10 | kantlivelong | runs alot faster then GPE |
| 04:27.21 | kantlivelong | even have dynamic menus |
| 04:27.36 | summatusmentis | dynamic menus? |
| 04:27.40 | kantlivelong | yep |
| 04:27.48 | kantlivelong | like filebrowser menus |
| 04:29.21 | kantlivelong | hey RP are u on? |
| 04:30.46 | summatusmentis | kantlivelong, I still don't understand what you mean.... |
| 04:31.18 | kantlivelong | like.. the flux menu can be used as a filebrowser.. |
| 04:31.28 | kantlivelong | shows files by dir |
| 04:31.41 | summatusmentis | interesting |
| 04:31.45 | kantlivelong | yep |
| 04:31.51 | kantlivelong | on select dirs of coUrse |
| 04:32.16 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 04:32.24 | kantlivelong | like /media/cf |
| 04:32.29 | kantlivelong | and ~/music |
| 04:32.37 | kantlivelong | or sumtin |
| 04:32.43 | summatusmentis | you're doing loop image? |
| 04:32.46 | kantlivelong | no' |
| 04:33.04 | kantlivelong | fs on SD |
| 04:33.17 | kantlivelong | using hentges new sd only kernel |
| 04:33.17 | summatusmentis | ah, I didn't know that worked |
| 04:33.52 | kantlivelong | ydp |
| 04:33.55 | kantlivelong | no altboot |
| 04:33.58 | kantlivelong | no fs on nand |
| 04:34.01 | summatusmentis | well, that's something I'm gonna have to play w/ as soo as I upgrade |
| 04:34.16 | kantlivelong | this is poodle only afaik |
| 04:34.46 | summatusmentis | hrm... |
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| 05:16.37 | thefool | anyone about? I was wondering if 3.5.4 had WPA support and if not what would be entailed to get 3.5.4.1 on a collie? |
| 05:19.06 | summatusmentis | thefool, I think wpa_supplicant is available through the feeds |
| 05:19.36 | thefool | ok will check it out |
| 05:19.40 | thefool | is that all I need? |
| 05:19.50 | summatusmentis | the actual build itsellf for 3.5.4.1 isn't available for the collie(5500 iirc), but you can upgrade through the 3.5.4.1 feeds |
| 05:19.56 | summatusmentis | should be, I don't use WPA, but yes |
| 05:19.58 | thefool | yea it's there installing now |
| 05:20.09 | summatusmentis | your wifi card needs to support it, I believe |
| 05:20.33 | thefool | ack, I didn't know there was anything special for wpa at the hardware level |
| 05:23.16 | thefool | hmm it seems there are some unresolvable dependenciues for installing wpa-supplicant |
| 05:23.54 | summatusmentis | thefool, afaik, it's just a driver issue, but I'm not very well versed in wpa, as I don't use it |
| 05:27.45 | thefool | one more dumb (unrelated) question, in OZ how do you build the DB for locate? back in debian all I did was updatedb, and it was one of the many updated. Not sure what to do here |
| 05:29.28 | thefool | btw summatusmentis: thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 05:29.51 | summatusmentis | sure, no problem |
| 05:30.02 | summatusmentis | updatedb doesn't work? |
| 05:30.19 | summatusmentis | I didn't even know locate was available for the Z, so I don't know the answer to that either.... |
| 05:30.47 | thefool | no updatedb doesn't seem to exist |
| 05:30.59 | thefool | it was in a find-utils package on the feed |
| 05:37.13 | summatusmentis | interesting |
| 05:41.18 | summatusmentis | what do you use for a browser? |
| 05:41.27 | summatusmentis | on the Z |
| 05:50.07 | thefool | konqueror-embedded can't seem to find anything else |
| 05:52.29 | summatusmentis | oh, opie |
| 05:52.48 | thefool | yea :( 5500 gpe ran far too slow |
| 05:56.28 | thefool | if I were using gpe it would either be dillo or firefox |
| 05:57.07 | summatusmentis | hrm... |
| 05:57.07 | summatusmentis | ok |
| 05:57.20 | summatusmentis | I'm using dillo and am unsatisfied, but firefox is too slow |
| 05:57.46 | thefool | for dillo though you might have to compile it yourself, I need css and frames support |
| 05:59.05 | summatusmentis | good night |
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| 16:04.04 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 16:04.40 | Cyorxamp | Hey hey folks |
| 16:05.05 | Cyorxamp | Is there a 'stable' (i.e. not do_not_use/wip) hentges GPE image for collie? |
| 16:13.39 | CoreDump|home | Cyorxamp: http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/oz3.5.4.1-opie1.2.1.shtml |
| 16:13.50 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump|home, thats opie |
| 16:14.38 | Cyorxamp | not that I am after... I said I needed GPE |
| 16:15.49 | CoreDump|home | if you'd bothered to actually check out the link, you'd have found opie,gpe and bootstrap images |
| 16:16.22 | CoreDump|home | the URL makes it less than obvious tho ;) |
| 16:17.10 | hrw|work | Cyorxamp is still alive here? |
| 16:17.13 | hrw|work | wow |
| 16:17.47 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump|home, isn't there just a nice apache directory listing somewhere for the stables ones? |
| 16:18.01 | Cyorxamp | oh nm, :) got it |
| 16:18.15 | Cyorxamp | i was looking at ... |
| 16:18.15 | Cyorxamp | http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/index.shtml |
| 16:18.20 | Cyorxamp | which doesn't make it obvious |
| 16:19.19 | Cyorxamp | hrw|work: yes, I am here to eat your first born |
| 16:29.00 | thefool | has anyone here had any experience with an aircable bluetooth card for the zaurus? I find them very attractive as they plug into the sync port instead of the CF, allowing me to still use wifi |
| 16:29.41 | hrw|work | plug, connect to BT chip over /dev/ttyS0 |
| 16:30.48 | thefool | sounds easy, so I am guessing it is pretty plug-N-play |
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| 16:31.37 | thefool | this now begs the question of what would happen if I tried to use it to connect with a bluetooth gps unit |
| 16:32.28 | hrw|work | it should work |
| 16:32.46 | thefool | wow, thats really cool to hear |
| 16:37.34 | thefool | oh as a side note, I have been walking around school using my zaurus as an ipod. all the while it is playing songs stored on my home computer. Hmm PDA with around 600GB's of storage, yea nothing beats that. :-) |
| 16:38.11 | hrw|work | what about pda with 200GB storage? :D |
| 16:38.39 | thefool | :) |
| 16:41.09 | thefool | I tried using opie-stumbler the other day and all it does is segfault, I don't mind too much as wellenreiter works great but I found it weird that it seems broken and is still in the feeds. I am starting to think it has to do with my wifi card prism3 and all that. |
| 16:42.01 | hrw|work | lack of time to check why it fails |
| 16:45.34 | thefool | heh, understandable, your working on the OS itself (and I assume you have a personal life as well) |
| 16:46.21 | hrw|work | I have own company which provide OE related support. it takes most of my devel time |
| 16:47.11 | thefool | oh cool |
| 16:48.04 | thefool | is there anything specific I have to do to get on a WPA network? wpa_supplicant is installed, but I am not sure what else I have to do. The standard procedure for logging onto a wep protected router doesn't seem to work. |
| 16:48.12 | hrw|work | what card? |
| 16:48.24 | thefool | sandisk connectplus |
| 16:48.50 | hrw|work | proper config for wlan0 |
| 16:48.52 | hrw|work | its in OZ wiki |
| 16:49.37 | thefool | hmm ok, last I looked there was a specific place for WPA in the wiki, but it was blank. Ok back tot he wiki I go. Thanks |
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| 17:08.46 | Cyorxamp | (from the stable hengres lot) |
| 17:09.08 | Cyorxamp | i just used the bootstrap, 64-0, and the ext2 gpe 150mb on the SD |
| 17:09.23 | Cyorxamp | i also but the cardfs on the CF... but i get a load of 'getty' errors when installing it |
| 17:09.39 | Cyorxamp | know anything about it coredump? |
| 17:09.52 | Cyorxamp | *i also got the cardfs |
| 17:10.32 | Cyorxamp | Installing: [cardfs-gpe-collie-openzaurus]...Segmentaion fault |
| 17:10.42 | Cyorxamp | then it says Segmentation fault about 9 times |
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| 17:14.46 | Samurai_San | hi to all! |
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| 17:17.07 | Samurai_San | Can anyone teach me how to enable bvvd mode on openzaurus? I´m using a c1000 with gpe-image... |
| 17:20.22 | Samurai_San | hi? |
| 17:22.13 | CoreDump|home | To my knowledge, the bvdd stuff (or whatever it was called) is kernel 2.4-only. Current OZ uses kernel 2.6 |
| 17:22.37 | CoreDump|home | Cyorxamp: I've tested the GPE image including cardfs of this stable release and it worked fine |
| 17:23.06 | Cyorxamp | well its not working -here- |
| 17:24.42 | CoreDump|home | then a) your d/l is fucked -> verify md5sums, or b) your CF cards FS is corrupt, or c) your SD card does not like to be formatted ext2. The installer is a dead simply tar -xzf $cardfs.bin, nothing complicated that could segfault at all |
| 17:27.37 | Cyorxamp | well the SD is FAT32 |
| 17:27.51 | Cyorxamp | its your 150mb lookback ext2 file |
| 17:27.57 | Cyorxamp | md5sum is fine |
| 17:29.27 | CoreDump|home | is it possible that you ran out of space in that loop-file? |
| 17:29.48 | Cyorxamp | I only just copied the loopback file to the SD - it aint even booted yet! |
| 17:29.52 | Cyorxamp | its 150mb... i think not |
| 17:30.06 | CoreDump|home | hmm |
| 17:31.33 | CoreDump|home | that's a collie w/ 64Mb RAM right? Not the 32Mb SL-5000? |
| 17:33.47 | CoreDump|home | echo -en "-> Installing: [$image_name]..." |
| 17:33.47 | CoreDump|home | tar -xzf "$image" -C $CARDFS_TARGET && echo "done" |
| 17:34.16 | Samurai_San | 2.4 only? then i´ll try gpe on 2.4 |
| 17:34.25 | CoreDump|home | so if you get "Installing: [cardfs-gpe-collie-openzaurus]...Segmentaion fault" (ie: no linebreak / done message) it must be tar segfaulting |
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| 17:42.40 | Cyorxamp | yeah collie 640-0 |
| 17:43.19 | Cyorxamp | sorry ull have to simplify what u want to simpleton to do :P |
| 17:43.52 | Cyorxamp | 5:09pm <Cyorxamp> i just used the bootstrap, 64-0, and the ext2 gpe 150mb on the SD.... plus gpe cardfs on the CF card which wont install |
| 17:43.58 | Cyorxamp | thats the setup if u wanna test it |
| 17:44.15 | Cyorxamp | the loopback is your own one from the web site |
| 17:44.52 | CoreDump|home | trust me, I tested this image and the cardfs on my collie before uploading |
| 17:45.12 | CoreDump|home | that is why I allow myself to call it a stable release |
| 17:45.25 | CoreDump|home | no guarantees on the -wip- stuff ;) |
| 17:45.26 | Cyorxamp | well it doesn't look so stable from this end |
| 17:45.47 | sirius | what isnt stable? |
| 17:45.53 | Cyorxamp | i haven't done anything bizzare, the collie isnt damaged in anyway - neither is the sd or cf |
| 17:49.11 | CoreDump|home | does the loop-image boot if you do not try to install cardfs? |
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| 18:09.34 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump, haven't tried that yet |
| 18:09.43 | Cyorxamp | will try now |
| 18:11.46 | Cyorxamp | hmm I may have to re-put the loopback on here |
| 18:11.51 | Cyorxamp | it seems b0rked now |
| 18:13.15 | Cyorxamp | /usr/bin/gpe-dm: error while loading shared libraries: libglib-2.0.so.0: cannot open shatred object file: Input/Outpuit error |
| 18:13.29 | Cyorxamp | cud be bcuz of not unmounting properly |
| 18:13.33 | Cyorxamp | since it crashed |
| 18:14.35 | CoreDump|home | "Input/Outpuit error" usually means a damaged FS and / or broken hardware |
| 18:15.02 | Cyorxamp | well thats why im reformatting the SD and putting a fresh localloop file on it |
| 18:15.17 | Cyorxamp | whats the file supposed to be called again? |
| 18:15.27 | Cyorxamp | /boot-images/blahblah . . .. |
| 18:15.32 | CoreDump|home | -rootfs.bin |
| 18:15.36 | Cyorxamp | OpenZaurus-something-.something |
| 18:15.40 | Cyorxamp | right |
| 18:15.49 | ME-tan | hi |
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| 18:18.26 | CoreDump|home | hi ME-tan |
| 18:19.08 | Cyorxamp | ok copying to the SD again now |
| 18:19.12 | ME-tan | just passing through, thought i'd say hi :) |
| 18:21.38 | CoreDump|home | Cyorxamp: I'm currently installing http://oz.hentges.net/releases/3.5.4.1/T1/collie/cardfs/cardfs-gpe-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.4.1-rc4-gpe2.7-T1.bin into http://oz.hentges.net/releases/3.5.4.1/T1/collie/ext2/hentges-gpe-image-collie_T1-3.5.4.1-rc4-collie.rootfs.ext2.gz |
| 18:22.00 | Cyorxamp | sooo. what? |
| 18:22.09 | CoreDump|home | installation done, running postinst |
| 18:22.14 | Cyorxamp | a ext2 150mb ready loopback INCLUDING cardfs? |
| 18:22.21 | ME-tan | good luck i did the same thing the other day |
| 18:22.32 | CoreDump|home | read the links, it's the stuff _you_ are using |
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| 18:24.25 | Cyorxamp | Look I don't give a damn |
| 18:24.30 | Cyorxamp | I know what actions I am taking |
| 18:24.37 | Cyorxamp | And I know what my own eyes are seeing |
| 18:24.53 | Cyorxamp | ive reflashed, im gonna try to boot the SD without installing cardfs |
| 18:25.06 | CoreDump|home | and now you know that the fault lies with your system, not the images |
| 18:25.09 | Cyorxamp | if it works ill try installing cardfs on a second boot |
| 18:25.21 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump, my system is fine |
| 18:25.41 | CoreDump|home | it obviously isn't since the same stuff works here which breaks for you |
| 18:25.55 | Cyorxamp | infact im gonna normal boot into bootstrap before booting SD |
| 18:26.05 | Cyorxamp | theres always some bug in your shit coredump |
| 18:26.14 | CoreDump|home | patches welcome |
| 18:26.21 | Cyorxamp | call it stable all you like... linux itself if always experimental |
| 18:26.41 | CoreDump|home | if you say so... |
| 18:26.57 | Cyorxamp | maybe booting the bootstrap and then the SD will help :S |
| 18:27.43 | CoreDump|home | [ROM] oz3.5.4.1-rc4-gpe2.7 / Type hentges-gpe-image / Release T1 / Compiled 20060621 |
| 18:27.43 | CoreDump|home | [CardFS] cardfs-gpe-collie for OZ 3.5.4.1-rc4 / OPIE 1.2.1 ROM Release T1, [20060621] |
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| 18:28.33 | Cyorxamp | If you don't have solid answers or suggestions to give then don't say anything at all |
| 18:29.15 | CoreDump|home | you are your friendly self again, ain't ya? |
| 18:29.25 | zxql3ooo | hey, thefool, are you there? |
| 18:32.03 | zxql3ooo | has anyone here been succesful in getting smbmount to work, or being able to access Windows shares any other way with the Zaurus SL-5500 in the cradle? |
| 18:32.36 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump|home, you have spend lines upon lines attempted to say... you lie |
| 18:32.42 | Cyorxamp | but without actually saying it |
| 18:33.01 | Cyorxamp | So if you've nothing USEFUL to say and have no ANSWERS... then I'll be forced to fuck about and think of something myself |
| 18:33.39 | CoreDump|home | then you should do so w/o asking me for help |
| 18:33.52 | Cyorxamp | Your the damn architect of these roms! |
| 18:33.58 | CoreDump|home | since you obviously refuse any help what so ever anyway |
| 18:34.04 | Cyorxamp | If anyone should know what in the slightest may be wrong its you |
| 18:34.15 | siriusnova | ?? |
| 18:34.15 | Cyorxamp | Err no I have done everything you have asked |
| 18:34.22 | Cyorxamp | I have asked for your help |
| 18:34.42 | Cyorxamp | You just continually seem to want to prove that whatever I am doing must be -wrong- in some way |
| 18:34.49 | Cyorxamp | Thats not helping is it? |
| 18:34.53 | siriusnova | Cyroxamp - what is the problem yo are having? |
| 18:34.59 | siriusnova | *you |
| 18:35.03 | CoreDump|home | and I AM SAYING there _IS_ nothing wrong. I even booted THE SAME IMAGES you are using on my collie. What else do you want?? |
| 18:35.08 | Cyorxamp | i wunna go over it again, i'm losing patience |
| 18:35.19 | siriusnova | i have to agree with Coredump - i used his images and it was fine |
| 18:35.25 | siriusnova | and ive also used OZ |
| 18:35.29 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump: Suggestions ideas... NOT critisms |
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| 18:35.46 | siriusnova | Cyorxamp - what is the problem? |
| 18:35.53 | Cyorxamp | 6:35pm <Cyorxamp> i wunna go over it again, i'm losing patience |
| 18:35.53 | siriusnova | less whining more explaining |
| 18:35.57 | CoreDump|home | the only suggestion is "defective or otherwise fucked up hardware" but you continue to ignore it |
| 18:36.01 | Cyorxamp | You wanna know? you read the damn log |
| 18:36.13 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump there is nothing wrong with the fucking hardware |
| 18:36.20 | Cyorxamp | OZ has worked fine on here before as WELL YOU KNOW |
| 18:36.25 | siriusnova | Cyorxamp - well i dont have a log - and its probably your SD card |
| 18:36.37 | CoreDump|home | siriusnova: he won't listen. |
| 18:36.45 | Cyorxamp | No you won't listen |
| 18:36.48 | CoreDump|home | hello hvontres|poodle |
| 18:36.54 | siriusnova | if you are doing a root install onto your SD card, erase all partitions on the SD card and create a blank FAT16 partition |
| 18:36.55 | hvontres|poodle | hello CoreDump|home |
| 18:37.11 | Cyorxamp | siriusnova, already done that |
| 18:37.13 | siriusnova | because windowsxp has problems erasing sd cards it will simply create a new partition |
| 18:37.19 | siriusnova | and wont erase the previous one |
| 18:37.23 | CoreDump|home | Cyorxamp: I reformatted my damn collie with these ancient images just to fucking prove you that they work fine. |
| 18:37.25 | Cyorxamp | oh ffs |
| 18:37.40 | Cyorxamp | well guess what coredump - OZ has booted up fine |
| 18:37.45 | Cyorxamp | and i didnt tell it to use cardfs |
| 18:37.53 | siriusnova | Cyorxamp - are you making the partition using Windows XP? |
| 18:38.01 | siriusnova | or through fdisk in linux |
| 18:38.04 | Cyorxamp | siriusnova, no offense - but i prefer to deal with the one person |
| 18:38.20 | CoreDump|home | Cyorxamp: then run cardfs_installer.sh manually |
| 18:38.26 | siriusnova | k fine but your pissing him off and bitching about in the channel isnt going to help |
| 18:38.31 | Cyorxamp | not answer a question, then re-answer it 10mins later with someone else |
| 18:38.37 | Cyorxamp | it gets very annoying |
| 18:38.43 | Cyorxamp | CoreDump: ok |
| 18:38.44 | hvontres|poodle | msg CoreDump|home I see the SNR is high in openzaurus again :) |
| 18:38.51 | CoreDump|home | tell me about annoying |
| 18:38.55 | siriusnova | lol |
| 18:39.03 | CoreDump|home | hvontres|poodle: ;) |
| 18:39.13 | Cyorxamp | I have not been unreasonable anywhere in this entire conversation |
| 18:39.38 | Cyorxamp | I have a problem, you have no answers but continue to bark at the rain |
| 18:40.09 | CoreDump|home | Cyorxamp: I'm done helping you. Just use vanilla OZ. |
| 18:40.37 | Cyorxamp | yeah you were done a while ago, all your crap is defective |
| 18:40.55 | siriusnova | no its not |
| 18:40.59 | siriusnova | i use his Images |
| 18:41.01 | siriusnova | and it works fine for me |
| 18:41.05 | Cyorxamp | and so have I |
| 18:41.07 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp : funny, I'm posting from a machine running his "crap" |
| 18:41.13 | siriusnova | well then something is wrong with your setup |
| 18:41.17 | siriusnova | or you are doing something wrong |
| 18:41.17 | Cyorxamp | but theres also a very high probability of fuck up |
| 18:41.20 | Cyorxamp | sometimes they work |
| 18:41.21 | siriusnova | or your hardware is fucked up |
| 18:41.23 | Cyorxamp | sometimes they dont |
| 18:41.34 | Cyorxamp | when they dont... its funny how coredump dunna wanan know |
| 18:41.38 | hvontres|poodle | PEBCAK |
| 18:41.41 | Cyorxamp | convenient isnt it? |
| 18:41.45 | siriusnova | because me and Hvontres are using Hentges images on the same machine and they are fine |
| 18:41.59 | zxql3ooo | uh, sorry to interrupt, but has anyone here been succesful in getting smbmount to work, or being able to access Windows shares any other way with the Zaurus SL-5500 in the cradle? I'm not even sure it's possible, but if it is... I really wanna do that |
| 18:42.53 | siriusnova | zxq - dunno - you could try TCP/IP over USB, im not sure how to go around doing that though |
| 18:43.47 | CoreDump|home | zxql3ooo: not me, sorry |
| 18:44.45 | zxql3ooo | siriusnova - thanks, but communicating is not so much a problem (both ftp and ssh work), I just would like to have the Zaurus use Windows as a huge harddisk when it's in the cradle |
| 18:44.50 | zxql3ooo | thanks anyway guys! |
| 18:46.07 | siriusnova | yeah nfs is pretty nice |
| 18:46.11 | siriusnova | samba can be quite a pain |
| 18:46.28 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 18:47.38 | zxql3ooo | NFS is Linux only, right? (the past month has been my inition in the world of Linux, thanks to buying a Zaurus in an impulse) |
| 18:47.57 | CoreDump|home | zxql3ooo: indeed |
| 18:49.11 | zxql3ooo | good, another reason to ditch Windows! |
| 18:49.31 | hrw | there is NFS support for ms windows |
| 18:50.36 | zxql3ooo | oh, okay... off to google then for the rest of the evening! :) thanks for the help everybody |
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| 19:01.27 | zxql3ooo | wahey, convinced the girlfriend to not go swimming (for health and spirit) so I can f'ck around with my Zaurus some more :) |
| 19:02.15 | hvontres|poodle | zxql3ooo : why not fsck around with GF first ??? |
| 19:02.49 | siriusnova | lol |
| 19:03.12 | hvontres|poodle | nevermind...I forgot we're all geeks here....:) |
| 19:03.20 | siriusnova | do both at the same time |
| 19:03.25 | ME-tan | heh |
| 19:03.33 | zxql3ooo | cos she is even more complicated than a Zaurus SL-5500 running OpenZaurus to me |
| 19:03.49 | zxql3ooo | at least I can google about the Zaurus |
| 19:03.55 | ME-tan | fsck her with the zaurus |
| 19:04.25 | zxql3ooo | "what did I do NOW" doesn't yield very useful things from google, but "getting CF wlan card to work" does |
| 19:04.40 | ME-tan | might need a special cf card addon... |
| 19:05.26 | zxql3ooo | I will definately check for that when my Zaurus runs out of power |
| 19:05.35 | ME-tan | my wlan card worked straight away but it thinks my bluetooth card is a modem or serial port |
| 19:06.05 | ME-tan | i'll have to tinker with that |
| 19:06.22 | zxql3ooo | who my girlfriend? |
| 19:06.43 | ME-tan | i got one of those billington ones from hong kong off fleabay |
| 19:07.56 | ME-tan | working bluetooth means working mobile internet so good for chatting on irc on the train |
| 19:08.09 | ME-tan | assuming i find a way around the sticking function key issue |
| 19:08.49 | ME-tan | does it every time i use terminal and i keep having to reboot |
| 19:19.21 | Cyorxamp | coredump: Ok I narrowed down the problem |
| 19:19.36 | Cyorxamp | if using bootstrap, you must first boot bootstrap (option 1) fully |
| 19:19.40 | Cyorxamp | and then proceed to boot option 3 |
| 19:19.48 | Cyorxamp | once done cardfs will install fine |
| 19:20.15 | Cyorxamp | Its like how Opie SD needs you to boot Opie ROM first to get around the SD/CF autorun |
| 19:20.39 | Cyorxamp | Harping on about broken pda's as a lovely way of getting out of using your HEAD to think what it might be - isnt useful |
| 19:21.18 | Cyorxamp | Can anyone suggest an easy to use/install media player (ogg compatible) for GPE since cardfs doesn't seem to come with one? |
| 19:21.34 | Cyorxamp | I hope you will find that useful coredump |
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| 19:26.56 | YoG | hi, I have (still) problems with qpe-gaim and msn. I looked at the gaim webpage and it seems that for MSN to work the following packages are needed: libgaim-ssl, libgnutls7, libgcrypt, and zlib. I noticed that libgcrypt11 and libgnutls11 are already installed are these compatible with the requierments, I didn't find zlib or libgaim-ssl in the feed, maybe the absence of these libraries is... |
| 19:26.57 | YoG | ...causing the segfault? |
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| 19:31.57 | Cyorxamp | good/easy media player for gpe anyone? |
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| 19:39.15 | Cyorxamp | Can i Use the 'GPE (PXA/XScale)' ipkgs from http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-familiar.html |
| 19:39.23 | Cyorxamp | to put VLC on the GPE linux I now have? |
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| 19:54.40 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp : i don't think so. Those are for PXA based machines, but your 5500 only has an Sa1100 Strong arm. |
| 19:55.08 | Cyorxamp | well any media player will do |
| 19:55.16 | Cyorxamp | what do u recommend for collie OZ GPE? |
| 19:55.26 | Cyorxamp | i used to use XMMS on opie |
| 19:56.25 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp : unfortunately the gpe versing of xmms doesn't fit onto a qvga screen...I tried it a while ago... |
| 19:56.38 | Cyorxamp | ok, any other media player then? |
| 19:56.42 | hvontres|poodle | The opie version has a custom front-end |
| 19:57.48 | Cyorxamp | :( ? |
| 19:57.53 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp : sorry, I didn't use GPE long enough to figure that one out.... |
| 19:57.58 | Cyorxamp | hehe |
| 19:58.12 | Cyorxamp | the vlc site mentions zaurus |
| 19:58.14 | hvontres|poodle | X/11 in 32Mb sucks ass |
| 19:58.29 | Cyorxamp | but I think it means sharprom zaurus, and even when ur on sharprom it dunna work |
| 19:59.03 | Cyorxamp | 64mb ram :P - SL5500 - boot from SD |
| 20:02.23 | hvontres|poodle | Cyorxamp : try here: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/fb/?name=vlc&action=search |
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| 21:10.37 | Cyorxamp | hvontres|poodle, that link is good |
| 21:10.46 | Cyorxamp | but is there a more... umm.. automated way perhaps? |
| 21:11.12 | Cyorxamp | everytime ive dug for bits and bobs and manually resolved dependancies something always goes wrong |
| 21:12.24 | hrw | Cyorxamp: use f-b to search, then ipkg install whatyoufind |
| 21:12.36 | Cyorxamp | f-b ? |
| 21:12.42 | hrw | feed-browser |
| 21:12.51 | Cyorxamp | yeah i know thats one way |
| 21:12.56 | Cyorxamp | theres no better? |
| 21:13.17 | Cyorxamp | an apt-get that works with ipkg's maybe!? |
| 21:14.19 | hrw | what differ apt-get and ipkg? |
| 21:14.39 | Cyorxamp | what? |
| 21:14.51 | hrw | how they differ? |
| 21:15.03 | hrw | both can install, can update lists, can upgrade system |
| 21:15.05 | hrw | can remove |
| 21:15.07 | Cyorxamp | apt-get, the thing that retrieves packages from feeds.... uses dpkg and .deb files |
| 21:15.12 | Cyorxamp | nothing similar for ipkg maybe? |
| 21:15.21 | Cyorxamp | no your thinking dpkg |
| 21:15.23 | hrw | ipkg is dpkg+apt-get - 2-in-1 |
| 21:15.45 | Cyorxamp | soooo, why isn't it trying to resolve the dependancies? |
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| 21:16.16 | hrw | ? |
| 21:16.21 | Cyorxamp | ipkg |
| 21:16.33 | Cyorxamp | i.e. i type.... ipkg install vlc.ipkg |
| 21:16.42 | Cyorxamp | and it just says oh well you need this that and the other |
| 21:16.50 | Cyorxamp | why doesnt it just go off and get them? |
| 21:17.41 | hrw | dpkg does not fetch them too |
| 21:18.16 | hrw | use ipkg like apt-get not like dpkg |
| 21:18.21 | hrw | apt-get install vlc |
| 21:18.26 | hrw | == ipkg install vlc |
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