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| 01:17.12 | chuckr | I have this IR keyboard titled "pockettop", anyone know if it can be made to work with opie + Zaurus? |
| 01:17.52 | chuckr | so far, by enabling IR, I have accomplished precisely nothing |
| 01:25.37 | chuckr | Looking for usser-level newbie question support, is that outside the charter here? |
| 01:26.15 | chuckr | Not trying to abuse your patience, so if I oughta go hit a mailing list, don't be shy about telling me that |
| 01:26.49 | Pendalar | I have an IR keyboard .. travelboard or something (normally for PC.. prewireless keyboard) |
| 01:27.00 | Pendalar | never got it to register a signal on the zaurus, so I'm not the one to ask |
| 01:27.25 | chuckr | anyhow, first one? Light and power keeps on bouncing me back into suspend after being awake 5 seconds, and once every 5 times it gets the idea that it's not on a.c. when it is in fact on the mains |
| 01:27.44 | chuckr | that causes it to go to dim |
| 01:28.27 | chuckr | that's once every 5 wake-ups. The bouncing to suspend is 80% of the time, so thats the more serious problem |
| 01:30.15 | chuckr | Pendalar, the browser was hiding your response, I didn't see it until now, my ir keyboard is clearly labelled "pockettop" so I know it's parentage, and I bought it myself froma Staples, it's not hot |
| 01:31.03 | chuckr | (I have a friend who's not so punctiious about things as I am, maybe I'm a bit sensitive about that today) |
| 01:31.59 | chuckr | anyhow, how do I get the pockettop tochat, ir-wise, to the Zaurus? |
| 01:32.34 | chuckr | OR, back to suspend, how do I get it to stop bouncing me off to suspend-land? |
| 01:33.06 | chuckr | OR, hey I have a million of them! I can start asking about the console!! |
| 01:33.35 | chuckr | ok, I'll be kind, I'll lay off for 30 minutes now. |
| 01:33.53 | chuckr | Chuckr->listen-mode now |
| 01:34.21 | chuckr | I can read the opie docs I just found |
| 01:34.49 | chuckr | (not t he developer docs that Kergoth found for me last night, the user-level ones) |
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| 01:53.02 | cshields | so does the opie media player 2 work for anyone else on a c760? |
| 01:55.58 | chuckr | I can't see where the IR sensor is, anyone know where that l'il sucker is? |
| 01:56.31 | cshields | what model? |
| 01:58.30 | Pendalar | it's probably just a small black area |
| 01:58.39 | Pendalar | you won't actually see some blinking light or something |
| 01:58.49 | Pendalar | about 1/3 inch long by 1mm high or something |
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| 02:01.42 | cshields | so is it possible to install multiple WM's (say Opie and E) and switch between them somehow? |
| 02:06.18 | cshields | nm, found the docs |
| 02:06.24 | cshields | sorry for the unnecessary ?s :) |
| 02:17.00 | chuckr | cshields, that's my own plan, but ZI'll have the 3000 to dio it in, honestly, if you want to do it with like ht 760, you'll need a whopping big flash |
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| 02:18.13 | chuckr | Hey folks, howcome, in console, I keep on getting these extraneous blanks interspersed with my text? Like, not "ls -ll" it';s instead "l s - l" |
| 02:18.35 | chuckr | it doesn't happen on output, only on what I type |
| 02:19.08 | chuckr | can I supporess that somehow? It's making me nuts, and that's too short a trip already, sir! |
| 02:19.13 | W8TVI | broken space bar? |
| 02:19.19 | chuckr | nah, too easy |
| 02:19.49 | chuckr | in fact, that settings on the terminal ALL seem to be broken |
| 02:20.15 | chuckr | then keep on snapping back to previous settings. Whomever did that wasn't thinking of users |
| 02:20.40 | chuckr | it's probably something that works, but it's very far from obvious as to how it works |
| 02:20.57 | chuckr | anyhow, I need to suppress those extra spaces |
| 02:21.31 | chuckr | then, I can get the IR keyboard working (I found a driver, oh joy!) |
| 02:25.38 | cshields | chuckr: would an SD card work? |
| 02:25.53 | cshields | I've got a 256 SD |
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| 02:46.39 | chuckr | I have an sd card installed with a linux fs, and I want to use ipkg to install a couple of ipk's to the sd ... I can't find the command that forces ipkg to install to /mnt/card, anyone remember what that is? |
| 02:48.00 | chuckr | cshields: I have a small 256 I use as a shuttle flash. It's a matter, of opinion, you understand, but to run 2 wm's, no, it doesn't come close, IMO. |
| 02:48.18 | chuckr | I would begin considering 2 wm's at 1G |
| 02:48.48 | chuckr | but, maybe I want a lot, this is VERY MUCH my own opinion |
| 02:49.40 | chuckr | I would ask, oh, kergoth, he and I often disagree, he'll give you a contrasting opinion, I would think you'd appreciate that. |
| 02:50.41 | chuckr | anyhow, back to my question .... |
| 02:50.51 | chuckr | I have an sd card installed with a linux fs, and I want to use ipkg to install a couple of ipk's to the sd ... I can't find the command that forces ipkg to install to /mnt/card, anyone remember what that is? |
| 02:52.00 | chuckr | I remember it was something *like* ipkg -dpath install, but I can't remember for sure, and I do remember that the cost of getting it wrong was permanently screwing things up |
| 02:52.40 | chuckr | or very nearly permanent. Seeing as I couldn't find out how to fix a busted ipkg setup, permanent was nearly corect |
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| 03:28.53 | cshields | chuckr: yeah, I imagine I'll be getting one of these soon: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=GS1022C-N |
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| 04:01.02 | icemanT | hey, question........y is OZ extremely buggy?? |
| 04:01.18 | kergoth_ | because its an UNSTABLE, DEVELOPMENT branch? |
| 04:01.26 | kergoth_ | 3.5.x is called unstable for a _reason_ |
| 04:01.46 | icemanT | well debian has an unstable branch |
| 04:01.54 | kergoth_ | oz is not debian. |
| 04:01.56 | icemanT | but u dont see it crashing every 5 secs |
| 04:02.01 | kergoth_ | oz has like 4-5 core people working on it |
| 04:02.03 | kergoth_ | not thousands. |
| 04:02.09 | icemanT | guys ...im not here to offend |
| 04:02.11 | kergoth_ | if you want it to improve, get off your ass and help |
| 04:02.16 | kergoth_ | or wait for future releases |
| 04:02.17 | chuckr | I am a little surprised, but only a little, at the console program being so terribly buggy. It's not flashy enough to attract folks |
| 04:02.31 | icemanT | im here to try and find an OZ release thats smooth and nice |
| 04:02.34 | kergoth_ | and make damn sure you report the bugs |
| 04:03.01 | kergoth_ | icemanT: the best oz release is always the one that isnt yet released. improvements occur continuously. |
| 04:03.04 | chuckr | from what I see on the website, the bugs are quite well reported, |
| 04:03.24 | kergoth_ | note that opie specific and gpe specific bugs really need to go to their bug tracking systems |
| 04:03.27 | kergoth_ | rather than ours |
| 04:03.33 | icemanT | hehe |
| 04:03.34 | chuckr | they're rather huge, like the really goofy spacing which I thgought was ME doing something wrong |
| 04:03.38 | kergoth_ | generally speaking, we arent opie and gpe developers (with exceptions) |
| 04:04.00 | chuckr | well, I feel odd making a bug report on something like that, I shoujd fix it |
| 04:04.02 | icemanT | i first tried gpe.........nice look but its core is crap |
| 04:04.06 | kergoth_ | grab OE and build yourself a current OZ. help us test. close bugs that are fixed. report those that arent. |
| 04:04.16 | kergoth_ | i use gpe every day. works wonderfully for my needs |
| 04:04.30 | kergoth_ | gpe vs opie is a personal decision. |
| 04:04.30 | icemanT | then i tried opie.....its a bit better but still u cant have ur zaurus live w/ it |
| 04:05.19 | chuckr | OK, I will see about getting an OE environment. I need my sole Linux machine critically for work, and from what I've seen, if I do a bunch of compiling on it, it's not stable enough to withstand things |
| 04:05.20 | icemanT | im having difficulty using the package manager at the moment |
| 04:05.33 | icemanT | i already setup an internet connection to the zaurus |
| 04:05.46 | chuckr | I am going to have to juggle stuff. Is there any chance of getting and OE environment hosted on FreeBSD? |
| 04:05.47 | icemanT | and the PM is able to update from the http feeds |
| 04:06.17 | kergoth_ | the package manager is known buggy. if you havent read the release notes on http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/, do so. |
| 04:06.19 | icemanT | but everytime i install a package....the sys crashes and i have to reboot |
| 04:06.26 | icemanT | ok |
| 04:06.45 | icemanT | http://openembedded.org/oe_wiki/ |
| 04:06.49 | kergoth_ | chuckr: it's been done in the past. there are even notes about it at the bottom of the GettingStarted page. |
| 04:06.50 | icemanT | thanx |
| 04:07.16 | chuckr | It also depends on what you use at ipkg. If you did what I did about 5 months ago, you grab the C sources from familiar, compile them, and they work ok. The shell script stinks. |
| 04:08.04 | chuckr | I needed to rewrite all my own Makefiles, not a big deal for me, I do that all the time, but it might be harder for some folks, I guess |
| 04:08.13 | icemanT | anyone know a stable rom for the Z other than the sharp original? |
| 04:08.16 | kergoth_ | oz includes the latest C ipkg. |
| 04:08.25 | kergoth_ | and we work closely with the ipkg maintainer. |
| 04:08.28 | kergoth_ | he's usually in #oe |
| 04:08.31 | kergoth_ | the problem isnt ipkg. |
| 04:08.33 | kergoth_ | its the guis |
| 04:08.48 | chuckr | yeah, the one from pdaXrom, but it's in far, far worse shape vis-a-vis development |
| 04:09.31 | icemanT | doest it work on SL5500 |
| 04:09.51 | kergoth_ | pdaXrom could be more stable right now, but it doesnt have nearly the momentum or development tools and resources that we do |
| 04:09.58 | cshields | kergoth_: what do you use for your build environment (cross compiling)? |
| 04:10.00 | kergoth_ | if we havent passed them yet, its just a matter of time. |
| 04:10.03 | kergoth_ | cshields: oe. |
| 04:10.10 | chuckr | If I knew how it worked, I would rather quickly gen up a python-pygtk interface. I am fairly good at it, but I don';t know how things in ipkg work, and reading rthe code is rather hard, it's really all over the place. |
| 04:10.26 | cshields | oh so you do it native vs a linux distro on a desktop |
| 04:10.36 | chuckr | not impossible, buit I gave that up some time back for some reason |
| 04:10.36 | kergoth_ | cshields: _everything_ we build is crosscompiled. |
| 04:10.48 | icemanT | do u think that the 3.5.3 release in march will solve all the known bugs? |
| 04:10.50 | chuckr | needs to be, really |
| 04:10.53 | kergoth_ | cshields: OE's repo has over 1,300 unique crosscompilable packages that emit over 5,000 ipks, at the moment. |
| 04:11.10 | cshields | cool. |
| 04:11.28 | kergoth_ | icemanT: itll solve many. i wouldnt say all. we just dont have that large a developer base working on things. |
| 04:11.34 | chuckr | not too bad. Compares ok, with like OPenBSD or FreeBSD. |
| 04:11.37 | kergoth_ | icemanT: opie has like 4-5 core devs, if that. same for OE. |
| 04:12.03 | icemanT | one more question, i was tryin GPE 3.5.2 |
| 04:12.17 | icemanT | didnt find a suspend/reboot option |
| 04:12.21 | chuckr | kergoth: you ever heard of getting a OE envir together on FreeBSD? |
| 04:12.39 | chuckr | worth myu time cheicng it out? |
| 04:12.49 | chuckr | sorry worth my time checking it out? |
| 04:12.53 | cshields | kergoth_: how hard is it to get into making your own builds, coming from a Gentoo guy use to building everything :D |
| 04:12.57 | icemanT | and when i hold the on/off button for 2 secs it turns off...but never turns on again w/ that button....did that happen to u ? |
| 04:13.10 | kergoth_ | actually, i think nowadays opie is down to more like 3 or 4 |
| 04:14.05 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 04:14.05 | kergoth_ | chuckr: i already answered you. |
| 04:14.05 | kergoth_ | cshields: OE was based on portage's codebase. |
| 04:14.05 | kergoth_ | cshields: with heavy modifications to directly parse our 'ebuild' format |
| 04:14.05 | kergoth_ | cshields: and support crosscompilation. |
| 04:14.07 | kergoth_ | cshields: you should be right at home. |
| 04:14.09 | kergoth_ | 22:06 < kergoth_> chuckr: it's been done in the past. there are even notes about it at the bottom of the |
| 04:14.11 | kergoth_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.33 | cshields | kergoth_: excellent.. so you've probable worked with solar in the past then? |
| 04:14.54 | chuckr | cool, then I have a good chance of having the machie resources without cutting my throat. I have my marching orders for tomorrow, then. |
| 04:15.00 | chuckr | thanks |
| 04:15.15 | kergoth_ | cshields: yep. he occasionally sends people over to us whose needs are better met by oe. |
| 04:15.30 | kergoth_ | i used to idle in #gentoo-embedded, but i dont think its in my autojoin anymore |
| 04:15.31 | chuckr | I need to stop looking at my Linux system as available |
| 04:15.55 | chuckr | gentoo is very, very neat |
| 04:16.22 | chuckr | aw, well, good night, all |
| 04:16.55 | cshields | yeah. there is a big push in the embedded market right now. I had a nice chat with Raster when I saw him at LWE last august, he's even into the embedded game with E which is sweet. he's got some neat stuff coming down the pipe |
| 04:17.20 | kergoth_ | cshields: http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/anno/packages/hydra/hydra_4.5.bb@1.1?nav=index.html |
| 04:17.21 | kergoth_ | cshields: for an example of one of our packages |
| 04:17.21 | kergoth_ | indeed he does |
| 04:17.26 | kergoth_ | there are .bb files for OE in e17's cvs. |
| 04:17.59 | kergoth_ | i'd love to use an environment on my Z based on the e17 core libs |
| 04:18.05 | cshields | oh yeah, a lot like an ebuild.. |
| 04:18.29 | kergoth_ | thatd be smooth |
| 04:18.32 | cshields | well, the one he was showing off was the cleanest yet flashiest mobile interface I've ever seen |
| 04:18.35 | kergoth_ | cshields: again, directly parsed, so you cant just throw shell in the middle of the file. only in tasks and stuff. gives us more control over the data. |
| 04:18.41 | kergoth_ | cool |
| 04:19.59 | cshields | well, I'm off for the night.. about to move across country next week so you'll probably see more of me in a couple of weeks |
| 04:20.24 | kergoth_ | cool. ttyl |
| 04:20.43 | cshields | thanks for the help, and moreso for OZ.. it's rocking! |
| 04:21.02 | kergoth_ | np. as always, we'd welcome any assistance |
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| 15:43.52 | OSS542 | I'm trying to get rfmon mode working with the orinoco driver |
| 15:45.02 | OSS542 | when I apply the patches to 0.13, build it and it gets loaded, the monitor ioctl doesnt show |
| 15:45.14 | OSS542 | and kismet can't get to it |
| 15:45.22 | OSS542 | any ideas anyone ? |
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| 15:46.33 | OSS542 | I'm using OZ 3.5.2 with the supplied kernel.....the WIRELESS_EXT shows as 16 |
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| 15:47.54 | OSS542 | If I try to use the 0.15 orinoco driver, the module load fails with an unresolved symbol for wireless_send_event |
| 15:48.12 | OSS542 | is anyone alive out here ? |
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| 15:53.42 | OSS542 | hello ? |
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| 16:02.15 | petya | hi |
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| 16:53.34 | CosmicRay | yet everything runs as root and puts files under /root |
| 16:53.39 | CosmicRay | what is the point of having a separate /home? |
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| 17:38.54 | kolla_ | CosmicRay: hm? there are two filesystems?? |
| 18:34.32 | CosmicRay | kolla_: yeah |
| 18:34.49 | CosmicRay | root@shepherd:~# df -h |
| 18:34.49 | CosmicRay | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 18:34.49 | CosmicRay | /dev/mtdblock2 53.0M 40.1M 12.9M 76% / |
| 18:34.49 | CosmicRay | /dev/mtdblock3 68.0M 20.4M 47.6M 30% /home |
| 18:34.49 | CosmicRay | tmpfs 30.3M 72.0k 30.2M 0% /var |
| 18:34.49 | CosmicRay | /dev/mmcda1 472.5M 285.8M 186.8M 60% /mnt/card |
| 18:34.55 | CosmicRay | so what I'm wondering is why nothing uses /home |
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| 18:42.49 | kolla_ | CosmicRay: strange |
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| 18:52.53 | CosmicRay | this is not the default? |
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| 23:00.17 | Craigwd_2000 | 04 01I'm having a permissions issue with Minimo, it appears I don't have execute permission for it even as Root. When I tried to use chmod +x minimo I got an error about not having enough free space despite knowing my Zaurus SL-5500 had plenty... How do I fix the permissions? I'm running OZ GPE 3.5.1... |
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