| 00:22.44 | pasky | CHak: it's not principially possible |
| 00:24.53 | pasky | CHak: the architecture is strongarm, not x86; dosemu just emulates the DOS environment, but the processor still runs the code natively |
| 00:25.26 | pasky | CHak: however, strongarm instruction set is incompatible with x86 (amongst other things), so you cannot do that, you would need emulator which emulates even that - something in the spirit of vmware or bochs |
| 00:25.51 | pasky | CHak: (not aware of that ported to zaurus neither, especially because it tends to be big and/or resource-intensive) |
| 00:25.59 | kergoth | bochs works on the Z |
| 00:26.02 | kergoth | see zsi |
| 00:26.10 | kergoth | seeing win98 on a Z is disturbing |
| 00:26.45 | pasky | hmm, is it usable at all? I've never used bochs personally but the tales were that you get 486-equivalent on average athlon ;) |
| 00:27.08 | kergoth | havent used it personally, but i highly doubt its usable |
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| 01:32.35 | CHak | thanks, I've been away for a while. Maybe dosbox(http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/information.php?page=0) would be better than (does cpu emulation no virtualisation) |
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| 01:46.32 | Marsupilami23 | kergoth: Did you fix the problem with compiling the libraries? |
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| 03:14.55 | nianderson | are there any modules that can turn the z into a phone? |
| 03:15.17 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 03:15.37 | nianderson | dang |
| 03:16.12 | kergoth | just buy a bt phone and connect em with bt |
| 03:16.12 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:16.55 | nianderson | bt phone? |
| 03:17.02 | kergoth | bluetooth. |
| 03:17.06 | nianderson | ah |
| 03:17.17 | nianderson | heh i want an integrated device :P |
| 03:17.35 | kergoth | heh, i cant stand those. either the phone is too big or the pda is too small |
| 03:17.35 | nianderson | any plans in the works for zaurus to make a phone/pda? |
| 03:17.40 | nianderson | lol |
| 03:17.41 | kergoth | talk to sharp. |
| 03:17.47 | kergoth | we're OZ devs, not sharp employees |
| 03:18.05 | nianderson | how is the new release comming anyway |
| 03:18.20 | kergoth | we arent working on a new release. read the news page |
| 03:18.29 | kergoth | we're working on transitioning to a new build infrastructure |
| 03:18.40 | nianderson | well i ment the openembedded buildroot |
| 03:18.55 | W8TVI | its not a build root |
| 03:19.01 | kergoth | it isnt a buildroot. keep the terminology correct or it gets confusing |
| 03:19.04 | nianderson | build infrastructure rather |
| 03:19.41 | kergoth | it builds images fairly easily now |
| 03:19.45 | kergoth | populates root filesystems |
| 03:19.51 | kergoth | still missing huge amounts of packages |
| 03:19.59 | kergoth | 200-225 or so |
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| 08:53.42 | jeroen | when compiling the buildroot for my c700 with gcc-3.3 I get errors on opie-aqpkg opie-tetrix and opie-player2 : undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2 |
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| 08:54.20 | bene_ | hi |
| 08:54.46 | bene_ | who is the webmaster of openzaurus.org? |
| 08:55.56 | lpotter | hmm.. good q |
| 08:56.02 | lpotter | noda I think |
| 08:56.15 | bene_ | thx |
| 08:56.33 | jeroen | anyone build the buildroot with gcc-3.3 ? |
| 08:56.42 | lpotter | I have |
| 08:56.52 | jeroen | didn't run into the same problem ? |
| 08:57.01 | bene_ | because I reg the openzaurus.de domain and I would translate the website into german |
| 08:57.35 | lpotter | talk to kergoth when he's around. |
| 08:57.42 | lpotter | or email him |
| 08:58.02 | bene_ | Sorry, I flash the Zaurus the first time. Is it okay if the mail and battery lights go on and off on and off .... |
| 08:58.25 | bene_ | lpotter: thx |
| 09:01.57 | lpotter | that usually means somethig is wrong with the files, or the cf isn't formatted with vfat/msdos |
| 09:05.07 | jeroen | nobody had the "undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2" error when compiling with 3.3 ? |
| 09:13.02 | jeroen | lpotter: did you build it unmodified ? I also had problems building util-linux |
| 09:17.10 | lpotter | ya, which cross tool did you use? |
| 09:25.34 | jeroen | I donwloaded cross-3.3.1.tar.bz2 |
| 09:27.41 | lpotter | I used 3.3.2 |
| 09:28.28 | jeroen | ok, where did you get that ? I got mine from http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
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| 09:31.07 | lpotter | umm I think hh.org, it is called arm-linux-cross.tar.gz I think |
| 09:31.49 | keta | any hints about xine-lib wich seems uncompatible with arm-linux-gcc 2.95.3? |
| 09:32.32 | lpotter | hmm, not off hand |
| 09:33.29 | keta | or rather, version 1-beta12-release has this problem |
| 09:33.34 | jeroen | I had problems with xine-lib, it uses mathinlne.h form local toolchain |
| 09:34.03 | jeroen | /usr/include/bits/mathinline.h, to be precise |
| 09:34.36 | keta | jeroen: yeah it has a math.h include |
| 09:35.26 | keta | it also sleeps for a minute on this warning after configure |
| 09:35.28 | keta | Host type 'arm-unknown-linux-gnu' (arm-linux) is currently not supported by xine |
| 09:35.50 | jeroen | dirty fix, temporaraly copy the arm mathinle.h to /usr/include/bits/mathinlne... |
| 09:36.13 | keta | argh! |
| 09:36.34 | jeroen | that;s only a warning, it compiles if you fix mathinline. |
| 09:36.41 | keta | yes |
| 09:37.20 | keta | I'll try to find out a cleaner workaround |
| 09:37.29 | jeroen | lpotter: can't find the 3.3.2 toolchain on hh |
| 09:37.53 | lpotter | ya, must have been somewhere else... hmmm |
| 09:37.56 | lpotter | lemme think |
| 09:38.23 | lpotter | its only labelled 3.3 |
| 09:38.58 | jeroen | on http://handhelds.org/download/toolchain/ ? |
| 09:41.05 | lpotter | hmm.. must not have been |
| 09:42.49 | lpotter | I can upload it somewhere, it you can wait a bit |
| 09:43.19 | jeroen | would be great, let me hink where.. |
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| 09:44.12 | lpotter | opie.us, cause I own it |
| 09:44.15 | lpotter | :) |
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| 09:45.59 | jeroen | great, give me a sign if it's there, does it have anonymous login ? |
| 09:47.10 | lpotter | it will be in http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php :) but it will be about 30 minutes, as its uploading from .au to alaska |
| 09:47.48 | lpotter | and its going s l o w a s s e d |
| 09:47.50 | jeroen | I'm out for lunch, I'll check it if I'm back |
| 09:49.05 | Twiun | s/if/when/? |
| 09:49.13 | Twiun | surely you intend to return to work after lunch? |
| 09:49.47 | jeroen | well work.. first get my 3.3 build |
| 09:58.11 | bene_ | hmm |
| 09:58.16 | bene_ | :o( |
| 09:59.44 | Twiun | lpotter: my 8 hours a day expressly excludes either time or money for lunch |
| 10:01.43 | bene_ | I format the CF as FAT after this I download thebzImage and renam it to "bzImage" after this I download the initrd.bin. I press C and D and press the Full Reset: Email and Battery Light go on and off. *dam* |
| 10:01.56 | lpotter | hmmm. there is even beer and wine in the fridge |
| 10:02.11 | lpotter | zImage |
| 10:02.58 | bene_ | ? |
| 10:03.06 | lpotter | name it zImage |
| 10:03.14 | Twiun | bene_: where did you ever see instructions saying to rename it to bzImage? |
| 10:04.54 | bene_ | sorry I mean zImage |
| 10:06.11 | bene_ | So I have: zImage (882 KB) and initrd.bin (14.464 KB) on the CF thats right |
| 10:06.47 | lpotter | should be. |
| 10:07.03 | lpotter | dont forget the rum and coke in your left hand |
| 10:07.43 | bene_ | =P |
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| 10:07.48 | Twiun | and the syringe conveniently on the table |
| 10:09.53 | bene_ | so now I had press D and C and then I push the FULL Reset button |
| 10:09.59 | bene_ | so no IŽll wait |
| 10:10.13 | Twiun | yup |
| 10:10.21 | lpotter | press the reset button again after the lights go out |
| 10:10.21 | Twiun | takes around 3 to 5 minutes |
| 10:10.59 | bene_ | okay IŽll see |
| 10:24.32 | bene_ | hmm |
| 10:25.45 | bene_ | the 2 lights are still blinking |
| 10:26.23 | Twiun | next step, verify the md5 sums for the two files |
| 10:27.33 | bene_ | ? |
| 10:29.05 | Twiun | when you downloaded those files from the net there were a series of checksum, one for each file |
| 10:29.21 | Twiun | you need to run the md5sum utility on your downloaded files to make sure they match |
| 10:30.16 | bene_ | Which Kernel Image you use on the Zaurus SL-5500G |
| 10:31.59 | Twiun | one appropriate for a 5500 - I don't think there are many internationalisation issues in the kernel |
| 10:34.02 | bene_ | Why you get a problem ifthe zImage called zImage.bin? |
| 10:37.37 | lpotter | it only looks for zImage |
| 10:45.42 | keta | building the image complains about qpf-bitstream-vera-small missing but i've qpf-bitstream-vera-light or full built |
| 10:46.30 | lpotter | delete one of the packages from the output/ipkgs dir |
| 10:47.41 | keta | lpotter: what do you mean? |
| 10:48.42 | lpotter | it gets confused |
| 10:49.26 | keta | lpotter: so do I :) |
| 10:49.51 | lpotter | buildroot is finnicky |
| 10:51.12 | Twiun | keta: it builds two qpf-bitstream-vera packages, but ipkg gets confused if there's more than one |
| 10:51.52 | Twiun | so just delete one (as lpotter suggested), it will then work |
| 10:54.14 | keta | ah, ok |
| 11:00.02 | keta | mh the problem still remains, I miss qpf-bitstream-vera-small package |
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| 11:00.27 | keta | no difference with qpf-bitstream-vera-full or qpf-bitstream-vera-small-light alone |
| 11:00.50 | keta | s/qpf-bitstream-vera-small-light/qpf-bitstream-vera-light |
| 11:02.41 | Twiun | which ever tickles your fancy - full has all glyphs, light only has english glyphs iirc |
| 11:06.07 | keta | Twiun: so full has to suit the dependances requirements |
| 11:06.47 | Twiun | keta: they both fulfill the same dep requirements (they're really interchangeable for an english-only rom) |
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| 13:47.30 | bene_ | hi. just a little problem I had installed openzaurus login, but I dont know the user or the pw? |
| 13:47.33 | bene_ | any ideas? |
| 13:49.59 | Twiun | root/rootme or root/<blank> |
| 13:55.52 | bene_ | but the keyboard didnt work |
| 13:58.18 | Twiun | then I have no idea |
| 14:01.16 | keta | where can I find something to read about the future building system I heard here? |
| 14:07.08 | madeddie | check the last news item on www.openzaurus.org |
| 14:07.22 | madeddie | couple of links to the oe sites of which i forgot the urls :) |
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