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| 00:54.28 | nerdboy | hi |
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| 02:53.22 | chouimat | night |
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| 07:29.46 | Hunter555 | Hello? |
| 07:30.37 | Hunter555 | I know it says not yet in the FAQ but does anyone know if it's possible to flash the zaurus without a cf card? |
| 07:33.14 | Hunter555 | Stupid flashing doesn't work! Dodgy cf card! I give up! And I really wanted to try openzaurus too. :-( |
| 07:35.24 | jdh41 | did you check the md5? |
| 07:35.40 | Hunter555 | Yeah. It's exact. |
| 07:35.55 | Hunter555 | The thing just sits there with the lights flashing now. |
| 07:37.05 | jdh41 | not good. |
| 07:37.15 | jdh41 | you got another /can borrow another CF card to try? |
| 07:37.15 | Hunter555 | No, not good at all. |
| 07:37.43 | Hunter555 | Only other card I've got is an 8mb. |
| 07:37.52 | Hunter555 | May be able to find someone to borrow one off I guess. |
| 07:38.34 | Hunter555 | got the zImage and initrd.bin. |
| 07:38.49 | Hunter555 | That's all I need isn't it? |
| 07:38.49 | jdh41 | renamed the zImage correctly? |
| 07:38.53 | jdh41 | should be |
| 07:39.18 | Hunter555 | hmm... must be this crappy card. |
| 07:39.27 | Hunter555 | Thanks for your help though. |
| 07:43.45 | Hunter555 | Might just have to set fire to my zaurus and pretend it never happened. |
| 07:56.15 | Hunter555 | see ya! |
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| 08:07.48 | ljp | send ti to me first |
| 08:08.05 | ljp | it, not ti. please. do NOT send ti to me |
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| 11:37.07 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:20.38 | Hunter555 | Sombody please help! My zaurus won't boot anymore!! |
| 13:20.42 | Hunter555 | *panick* |
| 13:22.46 | Twiun | what did you do? |
| 13:23.24 | Hunter555 | upgraded glibc |
| 13:23.35 | Twiun | there you go, time to reflash |
| 13:23.47 | Hunter555 | shit. |
| 13:23.56 | Twiun | easier than trying to fix it afaik |
| 13:24.11 | Hunter555 | I had to go and delete that initrd.bin didn't I. That's going to be a slow download. |
| 13:24.15 | Twiun | even on a desktop it's a hassle to fix |
| 13:24.32 | Hunter555 | So basically it's in a kernel panic? |
| 13:24.44 | Twiun | on a pda that can't boot from anything other than its ROM I think it's impossible to fix |
| 13:24.57 | Twiun | no, the kernel doesn't use the libs |
| 13:25.04 | Twiun | but everything else does |
| 13:25.34 | Twiun | kernels (save for driver modules) are monolithic |
| 13:25.45 | Hunter555 | Ohh. |
| 13:26.15 | Hunter555 | So does openzaurus come with lirc? |
| 13:27.37 | Hunter555 | 48 minutes remaining on that download. :-( |
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| 13:28.52 | Twiun | it's not the default ROM afaik - I'm sure it's available somewhere though |
| 13:29.15 | Hunter555 | So wouldn't that prevent the standard irda transfers then? |
| 13:29.41 | Twiun | the irda is a normal serial device - so you don't need much to interface to it |
| 13:30.08 | Twiun | I imagine the ir plugins have their own protocol implementation |
| 13:30.48 | Hunter555 | tried lirc on the std rom but it didn't work and then the standard irda stuff didn't work either. :-) |
| 13:31.22 | Twiun | I've managed to transfer files from my palm to the Zaurus using the standard stuff, so it does work |
| 13:32.08 | Hunter555 | Oh yeah, that was working, but then I installed lirc and it stopped working. |
| 13:32.26 | Twiun | no idea what broke then |
| 13:32.47 | Twiun | I've only cursory knowledge of the rest of the stuff |
| 13:34.20 | Hunter555 | I thought that maybe the lirc driver had unloaded the irda driver? |
| 13:35.06 | Twiun | I have absolutely no way to check - I'm at work without a Z ;) |
| 13:35.27 | Hunter555 | I guess I should buy an sd card to use as a harddrive. Do you know anything about the media player 2? |
| 13:35.41 | Twiun | I'm afraid not |
| 13:36.00 | Hunter555 | Oh well. That's what I was trying to get working when I stuffed it. |
| 13:36.23 | Hunter555 | Trying to install the codecs and they required a later version of glibc for some reason. |
| 13:36.37 | Hunter555 | So I thought okay, there's an upgrade ipkg, but it wasn't that simple. |
| 13:36.46 | Hunter555 | Then I kept getting "KERNEL TOO OLD" |
| 13:36.54 | Hunter555 | So I rebooted it. Bad idea. |
| 13:39.13 | Twiun | did you get the mediaplayer2 from the same feed as the codecs / OZ? |
| 13:39.23 | Hunter555 | Yep. |
| 13:39.46 | Hunter555 | I didn't even get as far as the mediaplayer2, I was just trying to get the codecs at first. |
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| 13:51.58 | Hunter555 | 24 minutes left... |
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| 14:44.07 | Hunter | The zaurus lives! |
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| 14:44.19 | bach2 | Hunter: are u sure? |
| 14:44.41 | Hunter | Yep. Reflashed it and now all is good. Except that I can't install any ipkgs. :-( |
| 14:48.32 | bach2 | Hunter: oh okie! :-) i thought it was a general statement about zaurus |
| 14:49.03 | Hunter | lol. It's okay. THought you must have been suddenly beamed into another dimension. |
| 14:52.40 | Hunter | Hmm... maybe it's just the media player 2. Good ol reliable zuc installed and worked fine. |
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| 15:07.24 | Hunter | Stupid media player! |
| 15:07.31 | Hunter | Stuff it! |
| 15:07.36 | Hunter | There's got to be a better way. |
| 15:15.04 | Hunter | Oops. Got it! |
| 15:15.17 | Hunter | Needs libxine not mediaplayer codecs!?! WTF?! |
| 15:15.20 | Hunter | hehehe |
| 15:15.22 | Hunter | it's all good! |
| 15:15.42 | kergoth | um. mediaplayer codecs *is* libxine, just packaged differently |
| 15:15.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:16.45 | Hunter | I see. That makes sense. Mediaplayer was telling me "Nope, won't install... needs mediaplayer-codecs" so I went to install them and it didn't like them. It did like libxine though! Me confused!? |
| 15:17.55 | kergoth | i dont see where the confusion sets in. |
| 15:18.00 | kergoth | op2 needs libxine. |
| 15:18.09 | kergoth | mediaplayer codecs and libxine packages both provide libxine |
| 15:18.14 | kergoth | only libxine is in the feeds |
| 15:18.29 | kergoth | apparently your mediaplayer2 package Depends on mediaplayer codecs directly |
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| 15:21.35 | Hunter | Well someone told me not to use libxine because it is now replaced by mediaplayer codecs! |
| 15:21.42 | Hunter | Thats why I was confused! |
| 15:21.45 | kergoth | well they were wrong. |
| 15:21.52 | Hunter | obviously! |
| 15:21.56 | Hunter | morons! |
| 15:21.58 | Hunter | hehehe |
| 15:22.01 | kergoth | mediaplayer codecs is old, libxine replaces it, not vice versa |
| 15:22.04 | Hunter | Oh well, at least all is well now. |
| 15:22.14 | Hunter | That is very useful information. |
| 15:24.12 | Hunter | So do you use mediaplayer often or do you just happen to know about it? |
| 15:25.08 | kergoth | I dont use my zaurus for anything but testing OZ incarnations |
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| 15:25.39 | Hunter | So it has a hard life? :-) |
| 15:26.13 | kergoth | heh, apparently my Z is pretty solid, since i can rarely if ever repro bugs to fix them |
| 15:26.22 | kergoth | annoying. |
| 15:26.56 | Hunter | I'm sure mine could reproduce them. Used to do all sorts of things. Like lose it's ability to use any of the buttons untill it was rebooted. |
| 15:27.09 | kergoth | odd |
| 15:27.28 | Hunter | yeah. I think it had something to do with sdl though. |
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| 15:58.57 | victorvdl | kergoth: Where oh where did the mplayer packages go? |
| 15:59.10 | kergoth | good question |
| 15:59.20 | kergoth | i dont expect they'll be back soon |
| 15:59.27 | victorvdl | kergoth: *sniff* |
| 15:59.30 | kergoth | since buildroot isnt being maintained by the devs anymore, i dobut bipolar could even do a feed build |
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| 15:59.40 | kergoth | no worries, the transition is going well |
| 15:59.45 | kergoth | up to 123 packages in the new metadata repos |
| 15:59.47 | victorvdl | Well, that's cool. |
| 16:00.02 | kergoth | last night added fetchmail, sudo, cups, db3, and most of php |
| 16:00.05 | George- | kergoth: well, hurry up about it you lazy sod! |
| 16:00.06 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:00.12 | kergoth | oh, and got postfix building, just not installing |
| 16:00.50 | victorvdl | BTW, I've been wondering... I can't code (yet) and usually have a 26.4 connection. Is there some way I can help the proj? |
| 16:01.13 | George- | victorvdl: well, I'm sure you could come assasinate me - that would help kergoth a LOT |
| 16:01.16 | kergoth | we really need a 'how to contribute' page |
| 16:01.33 | kergoth | we can alwyas use documentation, or package maintainers for the packages in OE/OZ |
| 16:01.49 | George- | "We need DDoS clients to attack George- and blow him off IRC" |
| 16:02.01 | kergoth | and of course, fielding user questions so i dont have to spend time on that is always helpful |
| 16:02.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:02.30 | victorvdl | kergoth: being a package maintainer doesn't me I need to know how to code, does it? |
| 16:03.00 | kergoth | right. some scripting helps, or a rudamentary knowledge of how to build things |
| 16:03.26 | kergoth | you're baiscally maintaining the file that controls the build of a package. so it has things like package description, version, upstream source urls, steps to build, steps to stage, steps to install |
| 16:03.32 | kergoth | thats about it. |
| 16:03.38 | George- | is that the ebuild? |
| 16:03.39 | victorvdl | Sounds cool to me. |
| 16:03.50 | George- | the new buildsystem is based on Portage isn't it? |
| 16:04.00 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:04.06 | kergoth | .oe is a lot like an ebuild |
| 16:04.13 | kergoth | so you can probably base some new packages on ebuilds |
| 16:04.18 | George- | heh |
| 16:04.18 | kergoth | just need to do crosscompilation fixes then |
| 16:04.32 | George- | just make the whole lot compatible with Gentoo's ebuilds! then we can install Gentoo on our Zauruses! |
| 16:04.45 | victorvdl | George-: Riiight... |
| 16:04.53 | kergoth | heh, you could run oe on the Z and do the ipk bulidilng there |
| 16:04.57 | kergoth | if you were so inclined. |
| 16:05.04 | George- | :D |
| 16:05.14 | George- | yay, Panther's installed |
| 16:05.14 | George- | wahoo |
| 16:05.15 | George- | wahey |
| 16:05.16 | George- | wahoo |
| 16:05.18 | George- | wahey |
| 16:05.24 | victorvdl | George-: How is it? |
| 16:05.30 | George- | victorvdl: it's loading up :P |
| 16:05.36 | victorvdl | George-: :-D |
| 16:05.38 | George- | victorvdl: then I need to insert the 2nd disc to complete install |
| 16:05.52 | George- | victorvdl: and this is a downloaded copy from bittorrent (couldn't wait for my order to arrive) |
| 16:07.27 | victorvdl | kergoth: So, where do I get the .oe system etc. from? |
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| 16:07.39 | kergoth | openembedded.bkbits.net has the bk repositories |
| 16:07.48 | kergoth | 'oe' has the tools, 'packages' has the package metadata |
| 16:07.55 | kergoth | snaps are at http://treke.net/~bk/ |
| 16:08.06 | kergoth | read doc/* in oe |
| 16:08.11 | George- | kergoth: does it work on PowerPC? |
| 16:08.16 | victorvdl | Ok, cool. |
| 16:08.23 | kergoth | George-: dont see any reason why not. |
| 16:08.30 | George- | excellent. |
| 16:08.45 | George- | I'll check it out when my laptop starts to run at full speed in linux (as opposed to half speed :) |
| 16:09.00 | victorvdl | When I head off to college later (ahh the joys of a ds3 line) I'll grab all that stuff. |
| 16:09.15 | George- | victorvdl: ds3? are you in eu? |
| 16:09.22 | kergoth | cool |
| 16:09.34 | kergoth | OEFILES=`pwd`/*/*.oe oemake -c fetch |
| 16:09.41 | kergoth | will obtain all the upstream sources |
| 16:09.45 | George- | kergoth: is it just me, or have you become more tolerant/patient these days? |
| 16:09.47 | kergoth | so you can do it in one pass for builds later |
| 16:10.21 | kergoth | George-: getting out of tech support helped |
| 16:10.25 | kergoth | George-: :) |
| 16:10.32 | George- | :D |
| 16:10.34 | George- | hahaha |
| 16:10.56 | George- | ti better than digi then? :P |
| 16:11.34 | George- | Twiun: go back to france |
| 16:12.12 | George- | cluzis? |
| 16:12.15 | George- | ibot cluzi? |
| 16:12.16 | | George-: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:12.19 | victorvdl | Much more, uhh, permanent than a cluebat |
| 16:12.34 | George- | DIE!!! |
| 16:13.18 | kergoth | hey, that *is* handy |
| 16:13.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:13.30 | George- | dood, Panther rocks |
| 16:14.59 | victorvdl | Ok, ibot knows what a cluzi is now. |
| 16:15.32 | George- | ibot cluzi |
| 16:15.33 | | [cluzi] a device used for fixing terminal user stupidity by a rapid application of small leaden pellets to the user's body. |
| 16:16.29 | victorvdl | It's israeli made. |
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| 16:24.27 | victorvdl | For the bk to oe conversion, what is currently being worked on? |
| 16:24.51 | kergoth | i've done almost all of the userspace non-gui apps and libs |
| 16:25.02 | kergoth | current work, see nonworking/ |
| 16:25.04 | kergoth | those are in progress |
| 16:25.08 | kergoth | (in 'packages') |
| 16:25.17 | victorvdl | kergoth: OK. So anything else I can work on? |
| 16:25.31 | kergoth | also, gb2 does the toolchain builds for uclibc, and i maange the glibc ones |
| 16:25.37 | kergoth | you can add kernel builds |
| 16:25.41 | kergoth | using the kernel oeclass |
| 16:25.44 | kergoth | (inherit kernel) |
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| 16:25.53 | kergoth | or pick an app or lib you need that we dont have yet |
| 16:26.03 | kergoth | (someone emailed me an nmap .oe the other day) |
| 16:26.40 | victorvdl | kergoth: Hmm. How 'bout mplayer? ;-) |
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| 16:27.05 | Martyn | Heyu all. |
| 16:27.38 | Martyn | Does anyone here have experience working with nano-X and FLTK? |
| 16:27.43 | kergoth | victorvdl: sounds like a good candidate. |
| 16:28.02 | kergoth | Martyn: a few people in #openembedded may have experience there |
| 16:28.10 | Martyn | Okie dokey... |
| 16:28.24 | Twiun | victorvdl: feel free to do mplayer... but you'll need to do all its deps too |
| 16:29.10 | Martyn | <-- has built nano-X and FLTK for his Zaurus .. but is having very "twitchy" problems with the serial mouse I've hacked together for the unit. |
| 16:29.44 | kergoth | i have to say it |
| 16:29.47 | kergoth | add them to OE! |
| 16:29.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:30.01 | victorvdl | Is mplayer still in the buildroot? |
| 16:30.27 | kergoth | victorvdl: yep |
| 16:30.34 | victorvdl | kergoth: Cool. |
| 16:30.35 | kergoth | so you know the build steps, just a matter of changing formats |
| 16:30.45 | kergoth | read TRANSITIOn |
| 16:30.48 | victorvdl | Cool cool cool. |
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| 17:51.23 | Creighti | Greetings! I just installed OZ on my new Zaurus last night... I seem to be having problems with my MMC memory... Did a mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1, remounted it, copied a bunch of stuff to it, then started having problems... performed an fsck.ext2 -f /dev/mmcda1 (after unmounting it) and found many errors... |
| 17:51.38 | Creighti | I assume this is a sign that I should try a different SD/MMC memory card? |
| 17:55.31 | ShALLaX | sounds like it |
| 17:55.36 | ShALLaX | :o |
| 17:56.31 | ShALLaX | or maybe you just had very bad luck |
| 17:56.36 | ShALLaX | and should try again ;) |
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| 17:57.48 | Creighti | Heh- well, I've tried about 3 times now ;-) Another characteristic is that about half the times I've "woken the Z up" it gives me the message something like "unmounting SD card" |
| 17:58.05 | ShALLaX | doesnt sound too good :( |
| 17:58.11 | ShALLaX | is it a sandisk? |
| 17:58.16 | Creighti | KingMax |
| 17:58.41 | Creighti | (cheapest I could buy... I guess I'll buy someting better this time ;-) |
| 17:59.46 | ShALLaX | yeah, you get what you pay for |
| 17:59.57 | ShALLaX | although, having said that... |
| 18:00.05 | ShALLaX | people with sandisk branded media have been having issues |
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| 18:12.42 | johnmcq | Is there a kergoth in the house? |
| 18:13.23 | kergoth | sorta. |
| 18:13.48 | johnmcq | Quickie: last night you said "make collie_conifg" -- which source tree supports this target? I tried oz-2.4 and collie-2.4 from bk with no dice. |
| 18:14.27 | johnmcq | ...and will a collie config run on my c760? |
| 18:14.42 | kergoth | ls arch/arm/def-configs/ |
| 18:14.46 | kergoth | there should be a 'collie' config there |
| 18:14.51 | kergoth | in collie-2.4 |
| 18:14.52 | kergoth | no |
| 18:14.57 | kergoth | collie is 5500/5000d only. |
| 18:15.00 | kergoth | c760 is husky |
| 18:15.12 | johnmcq | does collie-2.4 support husky? |
| 18:15.15 | kergoth | and none of the husky drivers have been pulled into an oz-2.4 tree. |
| 18:15.16 | kergoth | no. |
| 18:15.22 | kergoth | collie-2.4 is exclusively collie changes |
| 18:15.32 | johnmcq | Is the fbdev driver the same? |
| 18:15.35 | kergoth | no. |
| 18:15.39 | johnmcq | Okalie dokalie. |
| 18:15.39 | kergoth | completely different lcd controller and lcd |
| 18:15.48 | johnmcq | Perhaps I'll have the mojo to port it. |
| 18:15.54 | johnmcq | If I can get a compile to go... :) |
| 18:15.59 | kergoth | bk clone -l oz-2.4 husky-2.4 |
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| 18:16.10 | kergoth | then grab the current embedix patch for shepherd and start hacking |
| 18:16.51 | johnmcq | and start with arch/arm/def-configs/collie as a config? |
| 18:17.15 | johnmcq | And the embedix patches live where? I got my last one from Sharp and it was somewhat painful. |
| 18:19.10 | kergoth | johnmcq: oall embedix patches are painful. |
| 18:19.13 | kergoth | s/oall/all/ |
| 18:19.26 | kergoth | johnmcq: sharp/lineo code is a mess, and thats putting it mildly. |
| 18:19.30 | johnmcq | Yeah. I was noticing that. |
| 18:20.29 | kergoth | spent about 1 week of nonstop work to clean it up and rewrite enough code to make it maintainable for collie |
| 18:20.30 | johnmcq | Is this the current embedix patch of which you speak? http://more.sbc.co.jp/sl_j/source/c750/20030620/linux-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-slc750-20030620-rom1_10.bz2 |
| 18:20.33 | kergoth | havfent had time to do so for others |
| 18:20.35 | kergoth | afaik yes |
| 18:21.05 | johnmcq | Oh, the pain. |
| 18:22.22 | johnmcq | Thanks. I'll probably be throwing this by tonight. ;-) Have a good'n! |
| 18:22.40 | kergoth | np, good luck |
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| 18:45.46 | victorvdl | To what extent does the stuff in openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie work? |
| 18:59.58 | mETz | hmm, how to create new ipks of opie 1.0.x for oz 3.2, I don't really want to compile all of buildroot and already got opie checked out manually |
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| 19:54.22 | DarkSSJ | hi |
| 20:08.25 | DarkSSJ | can I install the zaurus software on another pda? |
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| 20:56.09 | shaunj | is there a version of operacreator that works with the 3.1 sharp rom? |
| 20:58.31 | TheMasterMind1 | ya |
| 20:59.27 | shaunj | where can I get it? the one on ben meyer's site doesn't work |
| 21:04.27 | ShALLaX | sec |
| 21:05.55 | ShALLaX | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/opera/opera_6.0_new.ipk |
| 21:05.59 | ShALLaX | thats the whole of opera |
| 21:06.03 | shaunj | thanks |
| 21:06.05 | ShALLaX | no need to use creators |
| 21:06.16 | ShALLaX | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/jeode/jeode-for-oz3_0.4_arm.ipk.tar.gz |
| 21:06.19 | ShALLaX | thats jeode... |
| 21:06.47 | shaunj | great... thanks |
| 21:06.55 | ShALLaX | now all i need is a workin hancom ipk |
| 21:06.55 | ShALLaX | ;) |
| 21:07.16 | shaunj | the ones released with the sharp rom _kinda_ work (some of them) |
| 21:07.28 | ShALLaX | not when i tried |
| 21:07.50 | shaunj | hmm... I'll tell you if I have any success |
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| 22:34.58 | _andras | hi |
| 22:35.36 | _andras | how do i separate the Ospack file from sharp's website into kernel image and file system? |
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| 22:51.33 | _andras | how do i separate the Ospack file from sharp's website into kernel image and file system? |
| 22:57.03 | TheMasterMind1 | theres utilities to do it |
| 22:57.07 | TheMasterMind1 | on killefiz.de/zaurus/ i think |
| 23:04.00 | _andras | ok thanks |
| 23:04.39 | _andras | oh: i've just heard that the z-s with xscale processor have a different sd controller (built into cpu?) than those with strongarm, is that right? |