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| 00:23.38 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: I'm looking at packages/libtool/Makefile, and I don't see what you suggested to remove. There's no auto anything in it. |
| 00:24.15 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: its probably that call to boostrap |
| 00:24.21 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: bootstrap, try commenting tha tout |
| 00:24.22 | kergoth | then |
| 00:24.29 | kergoth | make SUBDIRS=packages/libtool clean; make |
| 00:25.08 | KeyserSoze | comment with an "!"? |
| 00:25.21 | kergoth | # |
| 00:26.03 | KeyserSoze | thanks. |
| 00:26.07 | kergoth | np |
| 00:26.11 | kergoth | let me know if that works |
| 00:26.36 | KeyserSoze | configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a time |
| 00:26.37 | KeyserSoze | configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for libltdl |
| 00:26.42 | KeyserSoze | that's what I got. :( |
| 00:27.23 | kergoth | what the hell, --build is on that configure line twice |
| 00:27.38 | kergoth | remove the first --build $(BUILDARCH)-$(OS) |
| 00:28.18 | KeyserSoze | i'm very confused how i can paste i two line error, and you can know what i need to remove, when i don't even know what to remove it from. |
| 00:28.32 | KeyserSoze | where do i remove it from? |
| 00:28.36 | kergoth | vi packages/libtool/Makefile |
| 00:28.40 | kergoth | the ./configure line |
| 00:28.44 | kergoth | it has --build twice |
| 00:28.50 | kergoth | and you can probably remove the --target= completely |
| 00:30.16 | KeyserSoze | i don't have any "--target" in packages/libtool/Makefile, and i only have one "--build" |
| 00:30.44 | kergoth | ah, then those were added by mickey in his updates |
| 00:30.51 | kergoth | so i guess that wasnt what caused it |
| 00:30.57 | kergoth | but you can try bk pull; bk -r co -q; and make |
| 00:31.21 | KeyserSoze | i don't have bk, but I can get the latest snapshot, if that will help. |
| 00:31.36 | KeyserSoze | how do i save my settings from doing "make menuconfig"? |
| 00:32.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 00:32.29 | kergoth | when you exit it prompts whether to save or not |
| 00:32.38 | kergoth | your config is stored in .config |
| 00:32.43 | kergoth | if you're looign to back it up or osmething |
| 00:50.51 | Twiun | rehi |
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| 00:52.53 | sheenmaster | kergoth: fine |
| 00:53.01 | sheenmaster | kergoth: who is in charge of OZ's kaffe package? |
| 00:53.05 | kergoth | alright, so whats the behavior you see trying to use it? |
| 00:53.13 | kergoth | I doubt anyone is, could ask Twiun, he's the resident java guru |
| 00:53.29 | sheenmaster | Twiun: you away/present? |
| 00:53.45 | Twiun | sheenmaster: I'm 'ere, wassup? |
| 00:53.55 | sheenmaster | Twiun: what's up with the kaffe package? |
| 00:54.09 | Twiun | oh, kaffe... no idea - what's the error? |
| 00:54.21 | sheenmaster | Twiun: not only does it fail to run a simple console app, but it kill the console in the process |
| 00:54.44 | sheenmaster | I'll ssh over and get you the message |
| 00:54.49 | Twiun | thanks |
| 00:56.48 | sheenmaster | Twiun: should I middle click here or #flood? |
| 00:57.06 | kergoth | if its more than 5 lines, #flood |
| 00:57.25 | sheenmaster | Twiun: join #flood |
| 00:57.33 | Twiun | fire |
| 00:58.04 | sheenmaster | the connection closed ittself |
| 00:58.22 | sheenmaster | I typed the 123, this is an RPN-like calculator that I wrote. |
| 00:58.32 | Twiun | right |
| 00:58.34 | Twiun | weird |
| 00:58.41 | Twiun | where did you install kaffe? |
| 00:58.43 | sheenmaster | it works fine in Java and Kaffe on my iBook and server |
| 00:58.48 | sheenmaster | I installed it to SD |
| 00:58.58 | sheenmaster | 256mb, don't leave home w/out it |
| 00:59.01 | Twiun | afaik kaffe is very, very finicky about compile-time paths |
| 00:59.20 | Twiun | so best try installing it in other places |
| 00:59.26 | sheenmaster | Twiun: root? |
| 00:59.35 | sheenmaster | Twiun: where do you have it installed? |
| 00:59.43 | Twiun | I don't use kaffe on the Zaurus |
| 00:59.53 | Twiun | I'm working on a different jvm |
| 01:00.00 | sheenmaster | what jvm would that be? |
| 01:00.10 | Twiun | which is not yet ready for primetime... the jvm is called Wonka |
| 01:00.15 | sheenmaster | does it have java.util.Math and java.util.Stack? |
| 01:00.16 | Twiun | http://wonka.acunia.com |
| 01:00.47 | Twiun | java.util.Math? sure you don't mean java.lang.Math? |
| 01:01.44 | sheenmaster | Twiun: yeah, java.lang.Math |
| 01:01.56 | sheenmaster | Twiun: the class system needs better names |
| 01:01.59 | Twiun | has both... hang on one sec |
| 01:02.12 | Twiun | http://rainbow.netreach.net/~sballard/japi/ |
| 01:02.22 | Twiun | that has api coverage comparisons |
| 01:04.43 | sheenmaster | Twiun: does it have AWT on qtopia? |
| 01:04.51 | sheenmaster | opie, whatever |
| 01:05.44 | Twiun | sheenmaster: that's the bit I'm working on :) |
| 01:06.01 | Twiun | sheenmaster: http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/ |
| 01:06.16 | Twiun | like I said... not ready yet :) |
| 01:07.07 | sheenmaster | Twiun: no where I can download jeode? :) |
| 01:07.25 | sheenmaster | Twiun: or get kaffe working |
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| 01:08.13 | Twiun | sheenmaster: Jeode can only be obtained by yourself from a Sharp ROM |
| 01:08.39 | Twiun | sheenmaster: as for kaffe, it's sensitivity to installation location is one of the reasons why I decided not to use it |
| 01:08.42 | sheenmaster | Twiun: damn controlled software..... |
| 01:10.03 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I'd recompile kaffe myself, but I haven't found instructions on cross compiling from PPC |
| 01:10.13 | Twiun | *from* ppc? |
| 01:10.25 | sheenmaster | Twiun: POWERpc |
| 01:10.29 | Twiun | ahh |
| 01:10.35 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I use an Apple iBook2 for development |
| 01:10.44 | Twiun | you can always recompile it using the handhelds.org ipaq cluster |
| 01:11.20 | james_lan | anyone working on a Z cluster :) ? |
| 01:11.36 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I wonder if I could beowulf my Z and my Agenda VR3. Which would be the smaller bottleneck, the Vr3 or its serial port? |
| 01:11.45 | Twiun | lol, no idea |
| 01:11.51 | james_lan | serial I would believe |
| 01:12.08 | james_lan | the vr3 has a 66MHz mips, so it isn't that slow. |
| 01:12.29 | sheenmaster | james_lan: 9600 baud should be slower than a 66mhz 32 bit dragonball |
| 01:12.39 | sheenmaster | james_lan: mips? |
| 01:12.41 | james_lan | It's limit (IMO) was it's lack of expandability. It was a PDA, and nothing else. |
| 01:12.46 | sheenmaster | james_lan: d'oh, you're right |
| 01:13.03 | james_lan | not a dragonball in the vr3, a mips (like sgi uses, but much less powerful) |
| 01:13.08 | sheenmaster | yes, and we all know that PDAs suck; pocket servers kick ass! |
| 01:13.15 | james_lan | and as I recall it is 115Kps |
| 01:13.53 | james_lan | well, my point was, no expandability for internet, etc etc except via serial or ir. |
| 01:14.35 | james_lan | or extra memory. |
| 01:14.53 | sheenmaster | james_lan: true; It would be usable with SD and CF |
| 01:15.09 | james_lan | It kicked rear compared to palm, but had no expandability, sadly. |
| 01:15.31 | sheenmaster | james_lan: I have some serial EEPROMs........ |
| 01:15.46 | sheenmaster | james_lan: hehe, just for the hell of it |
| 01:16.22 | james_lan | (OK, no EASY expanability, yes, people did some wierd things with them (you can get a 16MB version now, or hack an 8MB to be 16MB).) |
| 01:16.44 | sheenmaster | I could remote-X over IrDA to my Z |
| 01:18.28 | james_lan | that is neat. |
| 01:20.51 | sheenmaster | james_lan: X kicks ass |
| 01:21.23 | sheenmaster | james_lan: I wish OZ had more packages for it; I'd start a feed if I could cross compile.... |
| 01:27.54 | sheenmaster | Twiun: kaffe doesn't work when installed to root or ram either |
| 01:29.22 | sheenmaster | Twiun: is there an ipk for Wonka that you could send me? |
| 01:29.27 | Twiun | sheenmaster: I'm sure he was as frustrated as you were... |
| 01:29.57 | Twiun | sheenmaster: I'd be happy to, but didn't you want some gui classes? |
| 01:30.28 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I don't need them, I prefer the console interface to this particular project anyways. |
| 01:30.50 | sheenmaster | Twiun: if I need GUI I'll install the sharp rom and rip jeode |
| 01:30.57 | Twiun | ok, I'll put it up - let me know how you do |
| 01:32.02 | KeyserSoze | is there a problem in this line: |
| 01:32.02 | sheenmaster | Twiun: are you sending it through IRC or adding it to the feed? |
| 01:32.04 | KeyserSoze | configure: running /bin/sh './configure' --prefix=/usr '--host' 'arm-linux' '--build' 'i386-linux' '--prefix=/usr' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--disable-ltdl-install' 'CC= arm-linux-gcc' 'CFLAGS=-I/home/gazicm/projects/OZ/buildroot-exported/output/staging/include -march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 -fpermissive' 'LDFLAGS=-L/home/gazicm/projects/OZ/buildroot-exported/output/staging/li |
| 01:32.04 | KeyserSoze | -rpath-link,/home/gazicm/projects/OZ/buildroot-exported/output/staging/lib' 'build_alias=i386-linux' 'host_alias=arm-linux' --cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=. |
| 01:32.05 | Twiun | sheenmaster: http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/open-wonka_0.9.4-2_arm.ipk |
| 01:32.33 | Twiun | sheenmaster: 1.3mb |
| 01:32.54 | Twiun | KeyserSoze: why are you quoting everything? |
| 01:32.56 | KeyserSoze | specifically the: 'CC= arm-linux-gcc'. is the space a problem? |
| 01:33.10 | Twiun | lol.. |
| 01:33.14 | Twiun | want me to dcc it? |
| 01:33.18 | KeyserSoze | Twiun: that's output from building OZ. |
| 01:33.22 | sheenmaster | Twiun: no, I'll just wget from my Z |
| 01:33.38 | KeyserSoze | the little ' marks are there, I don't know why. |
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| 01:35.14 | Twiun | KeyserSoze: best wait for kergoth and please use #flood when you have so much to paste |
| 01:35.22 | sheenmaster | Twiun: k, I got it |
| 01:35.35 | Twiun | Twiun: should install fine anywhere... |
| 01:36.06 | KeyserSoze | sorry about that. it's only 4 lines in my IRC window, but most people don't use one so wide... |
| 01:36.49 | sheenmaster | KeyserSoze: once you use bitchx on a small console font at 1280x1024 text mode you never go back.... |
| 01:36.54 | sheenmaster | KeyserSoze: lol |
| 01:36.57 | Twiun | hehe |
| 01:37.49 | KeyserSoze | i wish i could use 2048x1536 like i do at work, on a 22" CRT. this 19" at home only goes to 1600x1200 :D |
| 01:38.50 | sheenmaster | KeyserSoze: oh yeah!? Well my dumb terminal can get 80 columns in kick-ass green text. and it does 115kilobaud to boot! |
| 01:38.53 | chouimat|tv | KeyserSoze: mine do 1920x1440 |
| 01:39.08 | sheenmaster | Twiun: damn lcd on my iBook won't go above 1024x768 |
| 01:39.20 | Twiun | sheenmaster: just use a big virtual desktop! |
| 01:39.42 | sheenmaster | Twiun: hehe, 1280x1024 on my Z! |
| 01:39.43 | KeyserSoze | the monitor at work is a Compaq P1220. it kicks ass. |
| 01:39.54 | chouimat|tv | just need to replace the 14" on the second head so I can do 1600x1200 on both head |
| 01:40.10 | Twiun | sheenmaster: I tried using the vncviewer from the Z once... |
| 01:40.33 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: my server's second head is a dumb terminal displaying syslogd's output. its first head just plays tv. |
| 01:41.07 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: oh look, some luser is checking his email |
| 01:41.14 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: maybe I should kill imapd..... |
| 01:41.23 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: I have 4 14" monitors in here, I really need a second 19" |
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| 01:42.07 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: just add rot13 before delevering the emails |
| 01:42.09 | KeyserSoze | those 23" LCDs from apple are pretty cool. 1920x1200, I think. they are the same height as my 22" CRT, but 4" wider. |
| 01:42.59 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: AOL has an unbeatable record for fucking up email. |
| 01:43.12 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: I dare not try to surpass them. |
| 01:44.09 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: but the look on the lusers faces after rot13 their emails ... priceless |
| 01:45.33 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: maybe I should pipe it through /usr/games/morse or /usr/games/pig? |
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| 01:46.16 | sheenmaster | chouimat|tv: or append "/usr/games/fortune -o" to all outgoing mail? |
| 01:47.06 | sheenmaster | Ommunismcay uckssay itshay. |
| 01:49.13 | chouimat|tv | sheenmaster: morses |
| 01:50.56 | sheenmaster | Twiun: you still there? |
| 01:51.02 | Twiun | sheenmaster: yup |
| 01:51.22 | sheenmaster | Twiun: when I run "wonka FlameCalc" it tries to load FlameCalc as an applet |
| 01:51.34 | sheenmaster | (it's an app) |
| 01:51.49 | sheenmaster | Init: no start method found. |
| 01:52.00 | Twiun | you did add the current dir to the classpath, right? |
| 01:52.10 | sheenmaster | I also get "Init: no such class as FlameCalc!" |
| 01:52.15 | sheenmaster | Twiun: no, woops |
| 01:52.25 | sheenmaster | Twiun: I'm spoiled by Java |
| 01:52.52 | Twiun | even with 1.4.1 the current dir isn't included by default |
| 01:53.07 | Twiun | or is it? |
| 01:53.08 | sheenmaster | Twiun: waddya know, my app works |
| 01:53.12 | Twiun | lol |
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| 01:53.22 | Twiun | Wonka is *supposed* to adhere to the Java spec |
| 01:53.31 | Twiun | it's not a whole new language |
| 01:53.39 | sheenmaster | Twiun: java myclass#works in blackdown 1.3 and j2dk1.4.1 |
| 01:53.46 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 01:53.59 | Twiun | ok, I'll change the compilation to include . by default |
| 01:54.07 | sheenmaster | Twiun: great |
| 01:54.11 | Twiun | not a hard change by all means :) |
| 01:54.15 | sheenmaster | Twiun: do you have a mailing list for this? |
| 01:54.55 | Twiun | no mailing list yet |
| 01:55.02 | Twiun | not enough interested parties :) |
| 01:55.32 | sheenmaster | Twiun: could you personally shoot me an email when a new release comes out then? sheenmaster@frob.us |
| 01:56.12 | Twiun | sheenmaster: Sure, or check on IRC every now and then... when it's working the world will hear :) |
| 01:56.51 | sheenmaster | lol, it segaults when I break |
| 01:56.53 | Twiun | sheenmaster: note, the wonka jvm isn't my work - I'm just bolting qt/e onto it |
| 01:57.14 | Twiun | sheenmaster: yeah, happens sometimes |
| 01:57.18 | sheenmaster | I understand, it's still funny |
| 01:57.20 | Twiun | it's on the todo |
| 01:57.54 | Twiun | sheenmaster: know any JNI? |
| 01:59.21 | sheenmaster | Twiun: maybe, if not by that name |
| 01:59.32 | sheenmaster | Twiun: Syn renames its technologies monthly. |
| 01:59.35 | sheenmaster | sun* |
| 01:59.35 | Twiun | sheenmaster: java's native interface |
| 01:59.49 | Twiun | C/C++ <-> java |
| 02:00.23 | sheenmaster | no, I use clean rather than dirty java |
| 02:01.16 | Twiun | haha, whenever there's a need to touch the OS there's C code somewhere - even in Java |
| 02:01.25 | Twiun | File access, Sockets, AWT |
| 02:01.27 | sheenmaster | it would be nice to get ncurses.... |
| 02:02.21 | sheenmaster | java.awt.TextField, java.awt.List, java.awt.Button |
| 02:02.32 | sheenmaster | Twiun: do those, inside an applet, work in your wonka port? |
| 02:03.24 | Twiun | sheenmaster: no, java.awt.Button will show and react, but there's no code to propagate the events from the native layer yer |
| 02:03.28 | Twiun | s/yer/yet/ |
| 02:03.44 | Twiun | TextField/List have no peers yet eithet |
| 02:03.49 | Twiun | s/eithet/either/ |
| 02:03.52 | sheenmaster | Twiun: damnit |
| 02:03.55 | Twiun | god... my typing sucks at 2am |
| 02:03.59 | sheenmaster | Twiun: oh well |
| 02:04.06 | Twiun | I did say no gui stuff yet |
| 02:04.14 | sheenmaster | lol, it's only 9:04 pm here |
| 02:04.41 | Twiun | talking of which... I'm getting up in 4 hours... best be gone :) |
| 02:04.48 | sheenmaster | have fun |
| 02:04.53 | sheenmaster | thx for the vm |
| 02:05.03 | Twiun | either mail me or chat on here I'll review my logs :) |
| 02:05.06 | Twiun | ibot: twiun |
| 02:05.07 | | from memory, twiun is Steph Meslin-Weber, the guy working on the Wonka JVM. He needs a job! CV at http://adorphuye.com/cv |
| 02:05.13 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 02:05.22 | Twiun | <-- twiun@adorphuye.com |
| 02:05.27 | sheenmaster | ibot: sheenmaster |
| 02:05.27 | | sheenmaster: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 02:05.34 | sheenmaster | figures |
| 02:05.53 | Twiun | ibot: no, twiun is Steph Meslin-Weber, the guy working on the Wonka JVM. He needs a job! CV at http://adorphuye.com/cv or email him at twiun@adorphuye.com |
| 02:05.53 | | Twiun: okay |
| 02:06.18 | Twiun | right... g'night! |
| 02:06.59 | sheenmaster | ibot: sheenmaster is Travis Goodspeed, http://frob.us/ is his site and mailto:sheenmaster@frob.us is his email address. |
| 02:07.00 | | okay, sheenmaster |
| 02:07.05 | sheenmaster | ibot: sheenmaster |
| 02:07.06 | | i heard sheenmaster is Travis Goodspeed, http://frob.us/ is his site and mailto:sheenmaster@frob.us is his email address. |
| 02:07.09 | sheenmaster | yay |
| 03:08.08 | KeyserSoze | ibot: seen kergoth`bbl? |
| 03:08.08 | | kergoth`bbl is currently on #opie #uclibc #picogui #tuxscreen #zaurus #elinux #openembedded #handhelds.org #openzaurus. Has said a total of 283 messages. Is idling for 2d 23h 4m 26s |
| 03:08.14 | KeyserSoze | ibot: seen kergoth? |
| 03:08.14 | | kergoth <~kergoth@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 2h 9m 51s ago, saying: 'im out, goin home'. |
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| 06:01.27 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 16:28.09 | zecke | kergoth: ping |
| 16:35.37 | chouimat | zecke: try openembedded |
| 16:35.53 | zecke | on my iPAQ? |
| 16:36.00 | chouimat | no the channel |
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| 19:07.16 | cbok | u ok senior? |
| 19:07.26 | cbok | saw the news on oz.sf.whateveritis |
| 19:07.31 | cbok | on the rc3 release |
| 19:07.48 | kergoth | yeah, just lots of shit going on in every facet of my life |
| 19:07.57 | kergoth | juggling like 30 things and some are bound to drop |
| 19:08.34 | cbok | eesh |
| 19:08.44 | cbok | finially have a girly? :) |
| 19:09.32 | mewyn | http://www.richmondtimesdispatch.com/news/vaapwire/MGBOJZYI0CD.html |
| 19:09.37 | kergoth | dating again, nothing serious |
| 19:10.02 | kergoth | working out again, training, partyin with friends |
| 19:10.04 | cbok | excellent kg! :) |
| 19:10.06 | kergoth | the huge ass OZ todo |
| 19:10.11 | kergoth | 8 projects at work |
| 19:10.16 | mewyn | kergoth: you broke up with your last gf? |
| 19:10.29 | kergoth | porting linux/blob to the digi connect board |
| 19:10.30 | kergoth | etc |
| 19:10.42 | kergoth | mewyn: yeah, been single for a good 6 months now. out of a 3 year relationship |
| 19:10.42 | chouimat | kergoth: how much on a scale from 1 to 10? |
| 19:11.19 | kergoth | chouimat: heh, hell if i know. she's a big girl, cute though. i look at the whole package |
| 19:11.27 | kergoth | finally, 1 o'clock, i need some fucking food |
| 19:11.46 | mdz | kergoth: so I'm not having any luck with usbnet in 2.4.20...got a suggestion for a known working configuration? |
| 19:12.05 | kergoth`food | mdz: whats the behavior? alays worked fine in my testing |
| 19:12.09 | kergoth`food | alright im out |
| 19:12.37 | mdz | kergoth`food: I can apparently receive, but not send |
| 19:12.43 | mdz | (from the host perspective) |
| 19:13.12 | mdz | for example, if I ping from the Z, I see its arp request, and my arp reply, but the Z never sees the reply |
| 19:13.29 | mdz | and if I manually add an arp entry on the host, I still can't ping the Z |
| 19:13.43 | mdz | this is 2.4.20 with the patch from greg-kh's dir |
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| 19:26.28 | chouimat | hi ljp_work |
| 19:26.51 | ljp_work | hey what up? |
| 19:27.55 | chouimat | ljp_work: trying to fix some usb related problem here |
| 19:29.48 | ljp_work | usb? whats that? |
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| 19:32.56 | chouimat | crappy thing |
| 19:39.48 | mewyn | don't be dissing usb. it's very good for what it's meant for |
| 19:43.38 | chouimat | mewyn: I can't use usb here, trying to transfert file between my zaurus and my pc kill the usb subsystems |
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| 19:45.00 | kergoth`food | chouimat: scp? or only ftp? |
| 19:45.27 | chouimat | everything |
| 19:46.17 | kergoth`food | chouimat: weird. |
| 19:47.08 | chouimat | used to work before xmas |
| 19:47.23 | ljp_work | irq conflict? |
| 19:47.52 | ljp_work | try the next usb port |
| 19:48.19 | chouimat | tryed everythinh |
| 19:49.02 | chouimat | uhci.o don't seems to work correctly and us |
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| 19:49.44 | mchouinar | uhci.o don't work correctly and usb-uhci seems to work only under certain condition |
| 19:54.36 | ljp_work | ~lart chouimat's usb |
| 19:54.53 | ljp_work | there.. problem solved! |
| 19:55.21 | kergoth | ljp_work: wow, you're good |
| 19:56.35 | ljp_work | hmm, screen doesn't have scroll back? |
| 19:56.48 | ljp_work | yup. someone should hire me for tech support |
| 19:59.04 | mchouinar | FUCK USB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 19:59.13 | kergoth | ~lart mchouinar |
| 19:59.34 | ljp_work | ouch, forced to learn win32 and then purged |
| 20:03.32 | mchouinar | ~lart kergoth |
| 20:05.16 | ljp_work | mmmm big boobed borg |
| 20:10.38 | mchouinar | anyone use 2.5.60? |
| 20:15.07 | mdz | kergoth: which kernel version and which usbnet patch (if any) did you use for your testing? |
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| 20:15.28 | mdz | ljp_work: screen most certainly does have scrollback |
| 20:15.40 | kergoth | mdz: oh it was quite some time ago, it was 2.4.20 + the original patch from pavel |
| 20:15.46 | kergoth | mdz: was posted to linux-usb-devel |
| 20:15.50 | mdz | hmm |
| 20:16.27 | mdz | I may have to ditch 2.4.20 anyway, it's been nothing but trouble |
| 20:17.05 | mdz | that stupid sockaddr bug breaks syslog-ng pretty badly |
| 20:19.03 | chouimat | mdz: can't make it working correctly .. trying 2.5.60 |
| 20:19.20 | mdz | kergoth: I get a ton of CRC errors on the Zaurus side |
| 20:19.33 | mdz | net_rev_usb: CRC32 failed, netproto_rx_crc_error, etc. |
| 20:19.36 | kergoth | heh, the Z usbnet patch adds crc appending :) |
| 20:19.42 | kergoth | that was the bulk of hte patch |
| 20:19.54 | mdz | do I need to update my kernel on the Z then? |
| 20:20.58 | mdz | from 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix? |
| 20:28.29 | kergoth | mdz: no. |
| 20:28.52 | kergoth | the change was to allow the usbnet host side driver to append crc information to its packets, an dinterpret those from the other end |
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| 20:29.19 | gideon | oi |
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| 20:38.51 | mdz | kergoth: any idea why it's fubared? |
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| 21:02.34 | mchouinar | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGgggg |
| 21:06.16 | mchouinar | kergoth: ping |
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| 21:37.40 | mdz | heh, from the usbnet-2.4.20 patch "This will make Zaurus interop easier, folk won't need to |
| 21:37.40 | mdz | find and install the "usbdnet" version which, as Pavel |
| 21:37.40 | mdz | put it, "eats disks"." |
| 21:40.26 | chouimat | mdz: usbdnet probably eat disks but usbnet kill my usb subsystem |
| 21:40.59 | kergoth | chouimat: tried 2.4.21-pre? heard its more stable for usbnet |
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| 21:41.21 | chouimat | kergoth: no xfs support |
| 21:41.24 | chouimat | yet |
| 21:41.31 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:41.37 | kergoth | pester onyx4 incessently :) |
| 21:41.38 | mdz | I'm not scared about the USB bits, but I have no idea what's going on in the rest of 2.4.21 |
| 21:41.48 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:41.58 | mdz | I tried the usbnet from 21pre with .20 and that didn't work out |
| 21:42.05 | chouimat | kergoth: probably reboot with a cd and reformat my hdds with jfs |
| 21:42.23 | chouimat | currently compiling usbdnet |
| 21:42.32 | kergoth | hm, avril lavigne is cute, too young, but cute |
| 21:42.35 | kergoth | usbdnet? egad man |
| 21:42.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:42.43 | kergoth | i hope you remember to patch it to fix the panic |
| 21:43.03 | mdz | "the" panic? |
| 21:43.07 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:43.09 | mdz | which one would that be? |
| 21:43.10 | kergoth | one of them anyway :) |
| 21:43.22 | mdz | unless I find a way to get usbnet to work for me, I may have to go back to it :-( |
| 21:43.35 | kergoth | it'd be th eone that mjn3 sent me a patch for |
| 21:43.38 | kergoth | it doesnt fix the real problem |
| 21:43.43 | kergoth | just makes it not panic when the problem occurs |
| 21:43.51 | kergoth | you'll still lose communication when it happens |
| 21:44.01 | chouimat | kergoth: usbdnet worked for me |
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| 21:44.39 | chouimat | kergoth: I prefer to lose communication that to lose all usb suport |
| 21:44.57 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:45.03 | kergoth | as i said, without that patch it'll just panic. |
| 21:45.16 | kergoth | kernel NULL pointer deref |
| 21:45.19 | chouimat | kergoth: where is that patch? |
| 21:45.28 | kergoth | somewhere on one of my boxes |
| 21:45.36 | kergoth | i can see if mjn3 still has it floating around somewhere |
| 21:45.41 | mdz | I get the distinct feeling that this version of usbnet would work perfectly well with an ipaq running the hh.org kernel |
| 21:45.51 | kergoth | ah, he's not online atm |
| 21:46.05 | kergoth | mdz: usbnet with no patches at all works perfectly well with an ipaq |
| 21:46.45 | kergoth | but the general consensus is that the usbd stack is superior to the usb-ether bits |
| 21:46.45 | mdz | :'-( |
| 21:47.13 | chouimat | kergoth: huh? |
| 21:47.18 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:47.30 | kergoth | I'm referring to the usb device side, not host side, drivers |
| 21:47.37 | chouimat | <kergoth> but the general consensus is that the usbd stack is superior to the usb-ether bits |
| 21:47.38 | chouimat | [16:4 |
| 21:47.42 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:47.46 | kergoth | device side drivers |
| 21:47.48 | kergoth | Z uses usbd |
| 21:47.51 | kergoth | ipaq uses usb-ether |
| 21:48.11 | chouimat | ok |
| 21:48.26 | kergoth | and the consensus view seems to be that usbd is superior |
| 21:48.40 | kergoth | and myself, I like that it adds CRC to the ethernet packets |
| 21:48.49 | kergoth | its just the host side driver that needs some work |
| 21:49.03 | chouimat | usbd == usbdnet? did read that code |
| 21:49.06 | kergoth | no. |
| 21:49.09 | kergoth | usbd is usbd. |
| 21:49.11 | kergoth | DEVICE SIDE |
| 21:49.15 | kergoth | usbdnet is HOST SIDE |
| 21:49.19 | kergoth | desktop, not Z |
| 21:49.28 | mdz | heh |
| 21:49.30 | mdz | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/usb/2.4/usb-usbnet-1-2.4.21-pre1.patch |
| 21:49.40 | chouimat | so we need to work on usbdnet |
| 21:49.44 | kergoth | no |
| 21:49.44 | chouimat | :) |
| 21:49.45 | kergoth | we dont. |
| 21:49.52 | kergoth | usbdnet is useless, flawed, and badly designed |
| 21:49.59 | kergoth | not to mention its general lack of error handling |
| 21:50.18 | mdz | there is some stuff in the 21-pre1 patch from gregkh which says it fixes some issues with the zaurus |
| 21:50.29 | mdz | but they don't sound like "never sends packets correctly" kind of issues |
| 21:57.25 | chouimat | I'm giving another try to usbdnet and after that I will look at my options |
| 21:57.53 | raster | kergoth: hey quick q... is thew z touchscreen driver the same as the ipaq.. from a userspace using /dev/touchscreen/0 point of view? |
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| 22:01.49 | kergoth | raster: fraid not, Lineo didnt even _try_ to use something semi-standard |
| 22:02.31 | chouimat | kergoth: and if nothing work, I will write another fucking driver |
| 22:02.48 | raster | kergoth: BUM. |
| 22:03.01 | raster | kergoth: :( oh well. i guess my ts driver for now is ipaq-only :( |
| 22:03.03 | chouimat | s/fucking/fine |
| 22:03.10 | raster | i'll have to do a z one later... |
| 22:04.32 | kergoth | heh, and you'll want input layer support eventually.. possibly tslib.. :) |
| 22:07.59 | raster | input layer? |
| 22:08.16 | raster | whats do you mean by that? |
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| 22:10.27 | kergoth | raster: the linux input layer. standard for input devices. |
| 22:10.27 | mdz | raster: Documentation/input/* |
| 22:10.32 | kergoth | yeah, that ;) |
| 22:11.10 | raster | kergoth: oh. got that already. works on my desktop in the fb. got one for x. in theory my code also does ipaq touchscreen too.. z willhave to be next :) |
| 22:11.24 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 22:12.34 | raster | i just open the dev myself and do the twiddling |
| 22:12.40 | raster | ps2 mouse supported |
| 22:12.49 | raster | /dev/tty is supported in mediumraw mode |
| 22:13.14 | raster | /dev/touschreen/key is supported |
| 22:13.30 | raster | /dev/touschreen/0 is supported (the touchscrene itself) |
| 22:13.42 | raster | tho now i need to do a z one... |
| 22:13.58 | kergoth | not much to it, slightly different structure |
| 22:14.22 | kergoth | take a look at the ifdefs in the Z touchscreen driver, iirc |
| 22:18.03 | raster | i wodner if its detctable... |
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| 22:18.34 | raster | i do hope they didnt use the same device name... but hjust have an incompatible protocol... so its hard for the code to auto-detect. |
| 22:18.52 | kergoth | Z doesnt use devfs for one |
| 22:18.55 | kergoth | its /dev/ts for the Z |
| 22:22.25 | raster | aaah |
| 22:22.27 | raster | much excellent |
| 22:22.41 | raster | i need to check... anyway |
| 22:22.44 | raster | need to get to work |
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| 22:35.50 | sheenmaster | ibot: sheenmaster |
| 22:35.50 | | from memory, sheenmaster is Travis Goodspeed, http://frob.us/ is his site and mailto:sheenmaster@frob.us is his email address. |
| 22:35.56 | sheenmaster | it remembered :) |
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| 22:55.54 | mdz | kergoth: I don't suppose there's a way to turn off the CRC check on the Zaurus side |
| 22:56.00 | kergoth | mdz: fraid not |
| 22:57.11 | chouimat | kergoth: usbdnet don't work at all, but it doesn't kill my usb |
| 22:57.51 | mdz | why does this suuuuuuuuuuck |
| 22:58.38 | mdz | hmm, hotplug loads usbnet, but after that it's (unused) and doesn't seem to do anything interesting |
| 22:59.23 | mdz | is this normal? |
| 22:59.41 | mdz | I can rmmod it and the interface stays up and happy |
| 22:59.51 | mdz | well, as happy as it can be since it only passes traffic in one direction |
| 22:59.57 | chouimat | usbnet? |
| 23:00.15 | mdz | yes, usbnet |
| 23:00.26 | chouimat | uhci? |
| 23:01.01 | chouimat | Ben Laden is still alive |
| 23:01.02 | kergoth | lol |
| 23:01.27 | mdz | yes, uhci |
| 23:01.41 | chouimat | mdz: what chipset? |
| 23:02.55 | mdz | ah, shit, CDCEther was claiming it |
| 23:02.58 | mdz | why did usbnet get loaded then? |
| 23:03.16 | mdz | yay, works now |
| 23:03.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:03.24 | kergoth | you're supposed to blacklist CDCEther |
| 23:03.32 | kergoth | echo CDCEther >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 23:03.34 | Keyser[zzz] | kergoth: didja get my email? |
| 23:03.36 | mdz | chouimat: 00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1a) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) |
| 23:03.43 | mdz | kergoth: well thanks for telling me earlier :-P |
| 23:04.02 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: yeah, again, its still a x86 build problem. not sure what there is to be done about it |
| 23:04.05 | chouimat | mdz: P3? |
| 23:04.11 | kergoth | mdz: hehe, spaced it .. didnt think about it |
| 23:04.15 | mdz | I had the vendor/device ids in local.usermap set up to use usbnet though |
| 23:04.23 | mdz | I guess it doesn't override |
| 23:04.36 | mdz | chouimat: CPU you mean? |
| 23:04.42 | chouimat | yes |
| 23:05.22 | mdz | Athlon XP |
| 23:05.25 | chouimat | ok |
| 23:05.25 | KeyserSoze | are there any tarballs of source from releases, as opposed to the daily snapshot? I don't know if that will help with this particular problem, but maybe it will lessen the amount I bug you in the future. |
| 23:05.28 | mdz | crap, that didn't last long |
| 23:05.36 | mdz | usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1680 |
| 23:05.37 | mdz | NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out |
| 23:05.39 | mdz | can't talk to it anymore |
| 23:05.41 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: no, there isnt. |
| 23:05.50 | mdz | logging into the Z and running dmesg seems to have broken it |
| 23:05.53 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: and it wont help you anyway, your problem is you cant build libtool. |
| 23:07.11 | chouimat | mdz: same problem here, and usb is killed |
| 23:07.26 | chouimat | mdz: reboot |
| 23:08.40 | mdz | hub.c: new USB device 00:07.2-1, assigned address 20 |
| 23:08.42 | mdz | ah, I remember this game |
| 23:08.47 | mdz | reminds me of usbdnet |
| 23:09.07 | chouimat | mdz: usbnet do that here |
| 23:09.08 | mdz | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=20 (error=-110) |
| 23:09.35 | chouimat | mdz: I do that since 11h00 EST |
| 23:10.05 | kergoth | if the device isnt accepting a new address, thats a Z side problem. |
| 23:10.17 | mdz | yeah, rebooting it now |
| 23:10.25 | mdz | if it's not one thing, it's the other |
| 23:10.31 | kergoth | once in a while the usbd stack gets into a bad state |
| 23:10.38 | kergoth | the module gets a negative use count |
| 23:10.41 | kergoth | fun stuff |
| 23:11.01 | chouimat | kergoth: and it's kill my box usb system |
| 23:11.15 | kergoth | chouimat: yes, i heard you the first 4 times you said that. |
| 23:11.43 | chouimat | kergoth: bbl will convert my hdds to another filesystems |
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| 23:12.26 | mdz | still fucked after a reboot |
| 23:12.53 | mchouinar | I'm installing 2.4.21-pre : fix some frame problems with z |
| 23:13.19 | mdz | mchouinar: good luck |
| 23:13.25 | mdz | that one broke badly for me |
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| 23:13.57 | Namapoos | hi guys |
| 23:14.06 | mchouinar | mdz: need to reformat my hdd before |
| 23:15.59 | mdz | mchouinar: er... |
| 23:16.14 | mchouinar | mdz: no 2.4.21 xfs patch |
| 23:16.40 | Namapoos | what up mdz |
| 23:16.45 | Namapoos | never knew you hung here too |
| 23:17.10 | KeyserSoze | kergoth: what would you recommend that I do? |
| 23:17.28 | kergoth | KeyserSoze: try obtaining and building libtool outside of the buildroot, see if it works |
| 23:17.49 | KeyserSoze | i have libtool installed by gentoo, version 1.4.1-r10 |
| 23:18.11 | KeyserSoze | what distro do you use, BTW? |
| 23:18.45 | kergoth | 1.4.1-r10? hm |
| 23:18.52 | kergoth | debian unstable |
| 23:19.53 | mchouinar | update in progress ETA: je le sais tu moe criss |
| 23:19.59 | Namapoos | hey kergoth, do you create a cross compile environment with gcc,, or just use a precompiled binary |
| 23:20.43 | KeyserSoze | Namapoos: kergoth is the guy who builds the "precompiled binaries" :D |
| 23:22.08 | mchouinar | kergoth: building a xcompiler that work with cygwin or mgwin is possible ... but since my winbloze box is a pentium 200 ... |
| 23:22.38 | kergoth | yeah, i know its possible, havent had time to do it myself |
| 23:24.34 | mchouinar | ok first HDD converted to JFS |
| 23:24.56 | kergoth | jfs, isnt that the fs used in AIX? |
| 23:25.15 | mchouinar | kergoth: yup |
| 23:25.27 | kergoth | thought so. cool. |
| 23:25.38 | mchouinar | kergoth: and no need to patch the kernel |
| 23:25.50 | kergoth | nice, i didnt realize it was included now |
| 23:27.14 | bisho_ | XFS is included now also? |
| 23:27.14 | mchouinar | kergoth: the meeting is when? |
| 23:27.20 | mchouinar | bisho_: 2.5 |
| 23:27.34 | bisho_ | aham |
| 23:27.46 | bisho_ | I preffer XFS than JFS... |
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| 23:28.08 | mchouinar | bisho_: I'm using xfs but I need 2.4.21 |
| 23:28.13 | bisho_ | I had some problems when I tried JFS... |
| 23:28.39 | bisho_ | But right now I'm using mostly reiserfs |
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| 23:29.45 | mdz | Namapoos: I can't handle #zaurus |
| 23:31.04 | kergoth | heheh, the end user quotient in #zaurus is pretty damn high |
| 23:31.10 | kergoth | all support |
| 23:31.46 | kergoth | shit, wonder where i pick up a package from if ups couldnt deliver |
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| 23:34.34 | mdz | kergoth: the site is actually pretty good |
| 23:34.46 | mdz | kergoth: you can tell them to hold the package on the site and it tells you where and when to pick it up |
| 23:35.04 | mdz | the other day I had them hold a package and went over to the depot an hour later and they got it for me |
| 23:38.26 | Bala | whats an average fee for someone to pay a contractor to port an application from one platform to another? |
| 23:38.37 | mchouinar | kergoth: got spencer email ... now need to buy ink and find a fax |
| 23:39.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:39.38 | mdz | mchouinar: heh, my USB subsystem is busted now :-) |
| 23:39.50 | mchouinar | mdz: lol |
| 23:39.54 | mdz | modprobe caused a kernel oops and now usbnet is (deleted) |
| 23:40.03 | mdz | er, usb-uhci |
| 23:40.17 | mdz | wanted to reload it to see if it fixed the device not accepting new address problem |
| 23:40.25 | mchouinar | mdz: better than me: I have the keyboard led flahsing |
| 23:44.10 | mchouinar | mdz: any luck? |
| 23:45.03 | mdz | mchouinar: it was working fine for about 10 seconds |
| 23:45.15 | mdz | I'll need to reboot to try anything further, and I can't reboot right now |
| 23:45.52 | mchouinar | mdz: same here |
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