IRC log for #openmoko on 20160601

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01:26.25DocScrutinizer05PaulFertser: I sent a short mail to Harald to let him know about us two fools picking up on the volunteering
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07:53.53PaulFertserDocScrutinizer05: so kuldeep's project certainly qualifies. I have admin rights on the wiki. I can both edit the page and also send the information to usb.ids list.
07:54.12DocScrutinizer05OK
07:54.27DocScrutinizer05I think the PID to use is pretty obvious
07:54.54DocScrutinizer05usb.ids is not up to date anyway
07:55.20DocScrutinizer05the OM (0147?) records are pathetic
07:55.21PaulFertserACK on both points.
07:55.26PaulFertserFIC :)
07:55.32DocScrutinizer05015d
07:55.39DocScrutinizer05?
07:56.01DocScrutinizer05wait, maybe I searched for wrong code?
07:56.14PaulFertser0x1457 is FIC, 0x1d50 is OM
07:56.17PaulFertserApparently
07:56.25kuldeepone minute
07:56.35kuldeephey PaulFertser and DocScrutinizer05
07:56.53kuldeepPaulFertser, shall i forward you the email that i send for vid/pid request?
07:56.56DocScrutinizer051d50  OpenMoko, Inc.
07:56.57DocScrutinizer055119  GTA01/GTA02 U-Boot Bootloader
07:56.59DocScrutinizer05602b  FPGALink
07:57.00DocScrutinizer056053  Darkgame Controller
07:57.15PaulFertserkuldeep: yes, please, fercerpav@gmail.com
07:58.22DocScrutinizer05nope, usb.ids is terribly out of date
07:58.30PaulFertserKinda strange those two last entries are the only that present. Neither older nor newer.
07:58.38kuldeepPaulFertser, sent.
07:58.44kuldeep(sending.... :)
07:59.09kuldeepNote: PID = 0x8085   VID = 0x1d50   is required
07:59.16PaulFertserDocScrutinizer05: what email address do you prefer so I ca forward kuldeep's message to you?
07:59.32DocScrutinizer05om
07:59.50DocScrutinizer05joerg@openmoko.org
07:59.53PaulFertserkuldeep: so it's already deployed in the wild?
08:00.19PaulFertserI think it's ok to assign that PID in this case.
08:00.23DocScrutinizer05we would prefer a PID that fits into the scheme
08:00.36PaulFertserBut if the hardware is already out there...
08:00.45PaulFertserIt's not his fault for Harald not replying for half a year.
08:00.47kuldeepbecause when we started, we didn't knew if it would already be consumed so
08:01.14DocScrutinizer05so no chance to change the PID?
08:01.20kuldeepso, we used a large gap to make sure that no collision occur
08:02.07kuldeepDocScrutinizer05, changing PID would be time consuming / headache and already have 2 devices in wild.
08:02.14DocScrutinizer05ok
08:02.22PaulFertserI think that's a fair reasoning.
08:02.24kuldeepwe have alot of software that need to be change.
08:02.26DocScrutinizer05ack for 8085 then
08:02.36kuldeepthanks!!!
08:02.37PaulFertserack
08:02.40kuldeepack
08:03.00PaulFertserDocScrutinizer05: I'll edit the wiki now and try to generate a patch for USB ids, ok?
08:03.56DocScrutinizer05ok
08:04.17DocScrutinizer05the patch will be laaarge ;-)
08:04.20kuldeepand btw, all our software/hardware are free/open source.   we use usb stack from libopencm3 project
08:04.27PaulFertserkuldeep: the name will be "Mad Resistor Box0 (box0-v5)" since apparently there's nowhere to insert company name otherwise.
08:04.44PaulFertserkuldeep: noticed, and that's really cool imo.
08:04.56kuldeepPaulFertser, "Box0 (box0-v5)" will do the work
08:05.47kuldeepwe will use the manuf field of usb descriptor for reporting the device manuf. we can be the manuf  or not. (ie forks)
08:06.00PaulFertserkuldeep: then it'll appear in lsusb as OpenMoko, Inc., Box0 (box0-v5)
08:06.36PaulFertserkuldeep: (when lsusb uses the database and not the USB descriptor strings)
08:06.54kuldeep"OpenMoko, Inc., " is pretty much irrelevant. because openmoko will not be directly in Box0
08:07.14kuldeepalso, it will only confuse others on being OpenMoko there
08:07.45PaulFertserkuldeep: OpenMoko owns the VID, so it'll be in usb.ids like it or not.
08:10.03kuldeepPaulFertser, relevancy: "Box0 (box0-v5)"    > "Mad Resistor Box0 (box0-v5)" >  "OpenMoko, Inc., Box0 (box0-v5)"
08:10.20kuldeepi will prefer "Box0 (box0-v5)"
08:10.30kuldeep[in lsusb listing]
08:10.39PaulFertserkuldeep: got it.
08:11.47PaulFertserkuldeep: but one can't omit "OpenMoko, Inc." from there.
08:12.40PaulFertserkuldeep: so it's possible to have "OpenMoko, Inc. Mad Resistor Box0 (box0-v5)" or "OpenMoko, Inc. Box0 (box0-v5)" in lsusb. But not "Box0 (box0-v5)".
08:13.00kuldeepPaulFertser, is it lsusb specific?  (if we can do something from our side, we shall try)
08:13.14PaulFertserkuldeep: sure, it's just the way how lsusb outputs data from usb.ids.
08:13.25kuldeepah
08:13.39PaulFertserkuldeep: sees idVendor -> fetches vendor from the database.
08:14.39PaulFertserYou can fill in proper iManufacturer and iProduct in USB descriptor and those will be visible in lsusb -v.
08:15.08PaulFertserIf you use HID, then Linux will also print them to dmesg iirc.
08:15.15kuldeephaving "OpenMoko, Inc. Mad Resistor"  would only confuse more.  i would prefer "OpenMoko, Inc. Box0 (box0-v5)"
08:15.30PaulFertserkuldeep: ok
08:15.57DocScrutinizer05PaulFertser: please edit the contact, to point to IRC
08:16.03DocScrutinizer05wiki
08:16.21DocScrutinizer05at least additional to the usb@om email
08:16.26PaulFertserDocScrutinizer05: ok
08:16.40PaulFertserDocScrutinizer05: probably mention our email addresses there?
08:16.44DocScrutinizer05I dunno if this email goes anywhere
08:16.56DocScrutinizer05well, why not
08:17.12DocScrutinizer05I guess my om addr is publicly known already
08:17.26DocScrutinizer05one more mentioning can't make things worse
08:18.19DocScrutinizer05maybe I can ask pabs where the usb@om gets redirected to
08:19.02kuldeepbtw, linking Box0 VID/PID entry to "madresistor.org/box0" would be straightforward and helpful
08:21.41PaulFertserkuldeep: btw, https doesn't work on mad resistors site.
08:29.35PaulFertserDocScrutinizer05, kuldeep https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs fine now? Entry added, contacts points modified.
08:30.35DocScrutinizer05PaulFertser: maybe add an empty row to make more obvious that there's a gap to fill
08:31.09DocScrutinizer05looks good
08:31.30DocScrutinizer05[2016-06-01 Wed 10:20:36] <DocScrutinizer05> pabs3: could you please check the  usb-id@openmoko.org mail addr and see if it delivers to anywhere, and where. Maybe add joerg@openmoko.org and fercerpav@gmail.com
08:31.31DocScrutinizer05[2016-06-01 Wed 10:21:46] <pabs3> please ask Harald http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20151206-volunterr-wanted-usb_iids/
08:32.13kuldeepPaulFertser, yes, we will request https cert from https everywhere project. we are in process
08:33.59kuldeepPaulFertser, if you want to, i would love to have "Free/Open source tool for exploring science and electronics anytime anywhere" i would atleast love to have "Free/"
08:34.28PaulFertserkuldeep: I would prefer that too but your website mentioned Open.
08:34.58DocScrutinizer05PaulFertser: lol, there's an empty row now, alas it shrinks to oblivion. Add text like "insert next record here" please
08:36.06PaulFertserDocScrutinizer05: done
08:36.09kuldeepPaulFertser, hum, because of space reasons. i would try harder :)
08:36.23DocScrutinizer05:-D
08:36.24PaulFertserkuldeep: the wiki fixed now
08:36.47kuldeepPaulFertser, cool!
08:44.31PaulFertserThere's also pid.codes project now.
08:45.59DocScrutinizer05I suggested to join OM with them, but...
09:05.32PaulFertserkuldeep: your persistance finally payed off and the process started to work finally, thanks for that :)
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09:14.13kuldeepPaulFertser, :)
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