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15:17.26alonivhello...has anyone managed to get linphone working on debian? microphone doesn't seem to work but incoming audio can be heard...
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16:40.41PaulFertseraloniv: what audio profile are you using?
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16:49.20alonivvoip
16:49.53alonivvoip-handset.state
16:50.20alonivit seems microphone isn't recording - i haven't had any luck with arecord either...
16:50.46aloniv(microphone works fine on other distros - i.e. i can make calls)
17:01.32PaulFertseraloniv: making calls doesn't mean anything. Have you read the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem page?
17:02.21alonivwouldn't the microphone need to work in order to make calls?
17:02.30alonivyes i took a look there
17:03.40PaulFertseraloniv: when you make gsm calls, the sound is not going through SoC at all.
17:03.44PaulFertserThat's the difference.
17:04.09PaulFertseraloniv: are you not able to record while having voip-handset state loaded at all? Is loaded without errors?
17:05.02alonivi did alsactl -f voip-handset.state store/restore
17:05.23alonivwhen i did restore first time there were some warnings yes
17:05.32aloniv(restore before storing that is)
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17:06.01alonivarecord file.wav produces an empty file
17:06.59PaulFertseraloniv: it would be nice if you looked closely at that page, check every setting with alsamixer and figure out why it doesn't record. Also the rate and channel selection might differ.
17:14.35alonivI see "MM" under handset mic
17:16.43alonivactually that's under playback...
17:24.23PaulFertseraloniv: for recording?
17:24.26PaulFertserAh
17:24.47alonivnow i'm getting timed out errors using arecord...
17:25.15alonivis that the only way to record quickly (via ssh)?
17:32.03alonivunder capture mic2 is at 100 percent and mic1 at zero
17:34.04PaulFertseraloniv: arecord is the most appropriate tool to test recording.
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17:59.28alonivwhen trying to run on internal memory (om2009) i get an error: dmix plugin supports only playback stream
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18:04.33alonivarecord -D hw:0,0 -r 8000 -f S16_LE -c 2 record.wav - this command worked in internal memory
18:04.55alonivso i'm guessing i just need to use the voip headset file from internal then?
18:07.09PaulFertseraloniv: you'd need the same kernel then
18:08.03alonivit's an old one though :(
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18:37.39alonivany way to get rid of read errors?
18:54.07Camelekon NAND, or where?
19:04.56alonivsd card - seems to be because memory is full
19:05.19alonivthe read error is from arecord and now its just not responding...
19:06.44alonivis there a quick command to free up memory (i'm not running anything other than e17)
19:06.47aloniv?
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19:33.43CamelekI am not an expert on that, but on Linux is normal situation that you have almost all the time full memory, except if something goes really wrong. And if it is on SD card, then only option is to remove unnecessary files. If you record something with arecord (which is ALSA record), and it uses too much memory, then maybe you can try some parameters like --buffer-time, --buffer-size. Can you write what type of memory you wish to free?
19:36.52alonivi have less than 10 MB free
19:37.06alonivand cannot really kill anything
19:37.06PBeckCamelek: i think he means normal space?
19:37.20alonivmemory not hard drive...i have swap too
19:37.46aloniv250 MB swap
19:37.47PBeckah okay :)
19:38.19alonivunfortunately arecord seems to use regaular and sometimes agrees to work when there is around 12-14 MB free
19:38.30aloniv*regular memory
19:38.56alonivi tried arecord -d 5 for 5 seconds and it still failed :(
19:40.30Camelekcan you test few things right now? :]
19:40.39alonivsure...
19:40.54Camelekplease try option -M
19:41.11alonivfor which programme?
19:41.16Camelekarecord
19:41.29alonivarecord -M?
19:42.00alonivarecord -M
19:42.03alonivRecording WAVE 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
19:42.40Camelekah, so there is your read error, right? :]
19:43.16alonivyeah but sometimes it works depending on how much memory i have free
19:43.29alonivi'm guessing i nshould get rid of network-manager then? :)
19:43.33aloniv*should
19:44.51Camelekit is more like something with drivers, or alsa user config
19:45.14Camelek~/.asoundrc
19:46.06Camelekhow about recording in verbose mode? :]
19:46.28alonivwhat command to run?
19:46.32Camelek--verbose or -v
19:46.38alonivarecord -v?
19:47.22alonivarecord -v
19:47.24alonivRecording WAVE 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
19:47.26alonivPlug PCM: Route conversion PCM (sformat=S16_LE)
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19:47.32alonivIts setup is:
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19:48.13alonivSlave: Hardware PCM card 0 'neo1973gta02' device 0 subdevice 0
19:48.16alonivIts setup is:
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19:52.13Camelekaplay -l
19:53.08Camelekis it connected to something in USB?
19:53.41alonivusb is just charging...
19:53.58Camelekcan you plug it out?
19:54.10Camelekis there is an option?
19:54.12alonivaplay -l
19:54.15aloniv**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
19:54.17alonivcard 0: neo1973gta02 [neo1973gta02], device 0: WM8753 HiFi WM8753 HiFi-0 []
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19:54.23alonivcard 0: neo1973gta02 [neo1973gta02], device 1: Voice WM8753 Voice-1 []
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19:54.29alonivjust did...
19:55.22alonivit isn't even a real charger - just connected to a computer which is switched off...
19:55.31CamelekI read, that some devices could make troubles when something is plugged into USB (mostly reboot helps)
19:55.43aloniv(amazingly it still charges fast)
19:55.54PaulFertseraloniv: do not paste here more than 3 lines ever!
19:55.54alonivshould i reboot then?
19:56.13alonivok i'm guessing pastebin then or similar?
19:56.19PaulFertseraloniv: yes
19:56.44Camelekwklej.org
19:57.00Camelekcan you show arecord -l
19:58.11alonivhttp://wklej.org/id/958633/
19:58.14PaulFertseraloniv: do you fully understand the routing diagram on the wiki page i mentioned?
19:59.04alonivi took a look yes...however the mic recording did work in internal which makes me wonder whether it's a different issue...
19:59.22alonivsuch as lack of memory...
19:59.35PaulFertseraloniv: i'd guess the state file is not ok for the kernel version you're using.
19:59.51PaulFertseraloniv: if you'd be low on mem, you'd have OOM killer acting
20:00.01alonivOOM?
20:00.10PaulFertserout-of-memory
20:00.38alonivI think the memory is because of enlightenment, network manager, bluetooth etc...
20:01.23PaulFertserHow would it affect the ALSA kernel subsystem?
20:01.24alonivthe lack of memory that is
20:01.37alonivi'm guessing it needs memory to recxord?
20:01.51alonivbecause it does work when there is 15+ MB free
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20:02.11alonivI need to make it use swap
20:02.28Camelekand what about playing with buffer sizes?
20:02.30PaulFertseraloniv: come on, it totally looks like you're on the wrong way, and also very weird one
20:02.56alonivso you suggest to use older kernel?
20:03.18alonivhow can i change buffer sizes?
20:03.24PaulFertseraloniv: of course not, i suggest to investigate the issue with the current kernel.
20:03.42alonivthe currecnt kernel is old also (it's the one in debian)
20:04.01alonivwhich kernel are you using?
20:05.04alonivif there is a working kernel with working alsa state files why bother investigating other kernels?
20:05.37aloniv(i understand i could learn from this but the point is to get sound working not to learn alsa... :) )
20:07.36PaulFertseraloniv: i confirm with 2.6.39.4 and the voipheadset scenario from FSO i can't record anything from mic.
20:07.45Camelekarecord -D hw -f cd -d 5 -t wav file.wav
20:08.25alonivsec I disconnected wifi but that didn;t free up any memory...
20:08.49Camelekhere someone wrote about working recording using arecord:
20:08.51Camelekhttp://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/033193.html
20:08.59alonivfrom 2008...
20:09.03alonivin om2009 it works...
20:09.20alonivbut there i don;t have linphone or easy to use wifi :(
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20:09.45Camelekwhat distro do you use?
20:10.12alonivom2009 in internal (it's reliable), debian on sd card for software...
20:10.53CamelekI will try to record something on my own QTMoko, and see if I can recreate that error
20:11.19alonivhttp://wklej.org/id/958657/
20:11.52alonivuname -r
20:11.54aloniv2.6.34-20101212.git049b71de
20:12.32PaulFertserIt's possible that something in DAPM was broken along the way.
20:12.42alonivDAPM?
20:13.08PaulFertserIn-kernel alsa power management.
20:13.39alonivis it possible to use older kernel from om2009 in debian?
20:15.27PaulFertserCurrent Debian has udev that adds a 60s delay when booted with older kernels afair.
20:27.32CamelekI can't recreate that error as for now
20:27.42CamelekI will try to find differences in our configs
20:28.00PaulFertserCamelek: do you mean you can record with internal mic with voip headset scenario with 2.6.34 kernel?
20:31.06Camelekonly to try arecord error
20:31.48Camelekmaybe something is blocking sound device?
20:32.29Camelekif it is possible devices should be changed to default instead of hw:0
20:32.35PaulFertserCamelek: it looks to me like either incorrect scenario or kernel driver issue.
20:33.05PaulFertserCamelek: for testing low-level alsa behaviour using hw plugin is certainly recommended.
20:37.16Camelekunfortunately I am not so much in that area, but I see now how things could go complicated with all that frameworks of frameworks :]
20:38.07PaulFertserThat's why i suggest to use arecord -Dhw:0,0 as that's the lowest you can go in the userspace.
20:38.17Camelekexactly
20:46.24Camelekhappened this time :]
20:46.38Camelekafter going from sleep mode
20:57.49Camelekfunny behavior, when recording:
20:57.51Camelekarecord -Dhw:0,1 -d 5 -t wav -r 44100 -f S16_LE -c 1 plik.wav
20:58.04Camelekthen I got segmentation fault
20:59.13alonivyeah I got that too when I tried hw0,1
21:00.02Cameleklooks like trouble with driver
21:00.37alonivseems like debian won't boot the old openmoko kernel...
21:01.20alonivit has been stuck at "freeing init memory 136k" for a few mins
21:04.31Camelekfirst we need to find what device is that one from microphone
21:04.40Camelekand then experiment :]
21:05.19alonivso i guess i'll just put back old kernel and help with the experiment?
21:06.32alonivwhich kernel do you use Camelek
21:06.53aloniv?
21:07.02PaulFertserCamelek: only 0,0 is the mic, see the diagram
21:07.13Camelekthat one from QTMoko for FreeRunner :]
21:09.51alonivso the error isn't debian speciaifc then?
21:10.00Camelekso when we tried hw:0,1 what it was? - becase arecord warned me that it doesn't support 2 channels and frequency 8000
21:10.39alonivnot sure i tried that when i lost hope :)
21:11.12Camelekhw:0,1 freq 8000 and 1 channel
21:11.16alonivone is hidef one is voice
21:11.25Camelekah, thanks :]
21:12.26alonivor hifi
21:22.53CamelekI read some comments where ppl got the same errror, and it seems, that most of them use some connection in .asoundrc
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21:25.08alonivnow i get dreaded "no more processes in this runlevel"...
21:32.28CamelekI was playing with amixer
21:32.35Camelekand there are two Mic
21:32.56CamelekMic1 and Mic2
21:33.16Camelekyou can find them by typing:
21:33.18Camelekamixer scontrols
21:33.31Camelekmaybe later I will find a way for them :]
21:34.12Camelekgood night everyone :]
21:34.39CamelekAloniv: you need to search something in direction of amixer, and .asoundrc
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21:59.29alonivbye everyone and thank you for your help...
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