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| 10:34.45 | Fox_Muldr | i did a shr-u upgrade today and at the end i got an error message concerning readprofile: update-alternatives: Error: cannot register alternative readprofile to /usr/sbin/readprofile since it is already registered to /sbin/readprofile |
| 10:34.54 | Fox_Muldr | what should i do to fix this? :) |
| 10:35.46 | [Rui] | edit /usr/lib/opkg/alternatives/readprofile and fix the path accordingly |
| 10:42.44 | Fox_Muldr | thanks, that was an easy fix :) |
| 10:43.06 | [Rui] | yes :) |
| 10:48.22 | Fox_Muldr | i still have rootdelay=5 in my /boot/append-GTA02 file. but i read somewhere that now rootwait should be used instead. could i just change rootdelay=5 with rootwait or what is the exact syntax for that? |
| 10:49.29 | [Rui] | yes |
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| 10:50.23 | Fox_Muldr | than i will try this. maybe i spare a few seconds of waiting :) |
| 10:50.29 | [Rui] | although current images have loglevel=1 quiet splash |
| 10:51.08 | Fox_Muldr | yes thats the line above |
| 10:52.40 | Fox_Muldr | nice. now it only waits about 1-2 seconds before it starts booting :) |
| 10:54.30 | Fox_Muldr | is the bugfix for the high current consumption in standby now in the shr-u kernel integrated? i read in the bug that it was only a false setting in one register of a power regulator |
| 11:09.15 | Fox_Muldr | the webbrowser eve has really improved since the last time i used it a few months ago :) |
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| 16:04.04 | rooly | hello from my new phone |
| 16:04.33 | PaulFertser | rooly: what model is that? ;) |
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| 16:05.16 | rooly | samsung captivate |
| 16:07.33 | rooly | really nice. |
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| 16:14.08 | PaulFertser | rooly: no X, no POSIX, no anything hackable? ;) |
| 16:16.06 | rooly | i can root it and install busybox trivially. no x is not a big deal to me |
| 16:17.50 | PaulFertser | rooly: what is? |
| 16:18.40 | rooly | the phone |
| 16:19.04 | PaulFertser | Nokia 1110 worked damn nicely for me. |
| 16:19.08 | PaulFertser | As a phone. |
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| 16:19.11 | SpeedEvil | I like my n900 - busybox, root by default (well - one package) ... |
| 16:19.29 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:24.35 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i quite disliked the nokia policies concerning low-level stuff. |
| 16:24.48 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: not being able to backup a kernel is ridiculous. |
| 16:25.16 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: also compiling 0xffff from hg repo is not exactly something everyone wants to do after buying a cool smartphone. |
| 16:25.19 | PaulFertser | Etc etc |
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| 16:30.13 | SpeedEvil | In some ways I quite agree. |
| 16:30.58 | SpeedEvil | In other ways I have a shiny phone with a mostly working UI thaat can be improved often with opensource components. |
| 16:31.13 | PaulFertser | And even more. Maemo was step in the right direction, but speaking about Nokia, they really did suck and still do. Their reaction to the PR1.2 privacy breach is intolerable imho. |
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| 16:34.32 | PaulFertser | And usability-wise it plain stupid they use a crippled window manager and if you want configurability you need to install some "enhanced hildon desktop" and such. I guess similar things can be said about almost every other app from them. |
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| 16:40.58 | Ayobayo | It seems Nokia doesn't really have a clue which way to go. Symbian, Maemo, mobile Windows 7. |
| 16:45.31 | CVirus | nokia uses mobile windows on their phones ? |
| 16:47.17 | mjr | no, but there's some talk about ms co-op with the new management |
| 16:47.48 | Ayobayo | There is talk of using it. http://venturebeat.com/2010/09/23/nokia-windows-stephen-elop/ |
| 16:48.00 | gena2x | Ayobayo: as they fired cheif, i expect course to open source have high chances to die. |
| 16:49.40 | Ayobayo | Yeah, good chance for that. They do not seem to be the kind of people who can envision open source to have a place in a business model. |
| 16:50.23 | gena2x | also i am worring about future of qt |
| 16:51.14 | Ayobayo | Stephen Elop has his network and experience in his microsoft past. |
| 16:53.38 | Ayobayo | There are many programmes leaning on QT. It will survive, if necessary, in one way or the other. Like Mandriva is already having a new fork in progress, Mageia. |
| 16:54.32 | gena2x | problem is that now most key components seem lost their patrons |
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| 16:55.37 | gena2x | openoffice, mysql, java, firefox(was google), if now add qt |
| 16:56.20 | gena2x | will it survive? and in what degree? |
| 16:59.42 | Ayobayo | It will survive. They should be able to earn money with it. And hopefully the KDE Free QT Foundation is still in place: http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php |
| 17:00.51 | mjr | the foundation isn't really very relevant anymore since qt licensing has laxed step by step up to the lgpl, but sure, some would prefer bsd |
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| 17:13.29 | Ayobayo | Not much seems to be moving at the KDE Free QT Foundation. I just sent a mail to kde-ev-board@kde.org, the legal and financial representation of KDE to ask them about the current and future state of Free QT. |
| 17:14.03 | Ayobayo | Will put the answer here when it arrives. |
| 17:17.15 | gena2x | oh, not proper timing to worry _so_ much :) |
| 17:19.56 | Ayobayo | Its the time of the year to start to worry. Getting dark early and light late.... Plenty of time to dig into problems. |
| 17:20.40 | gena2x | heh, people have to migrate to australia in this period :) |
| 17:20.46 | proyvind | Ayobayo: mandriva ain't dying though ;) |
| 17:20.57 | proyvind | neither is mandriva linux :) |
| 17:21.22 | Ayobayo | I hope so, but I put my eggs in the Mageia basket. |
| 17:21.36 | gena2x | hey, gpl thing can't just 'die'! |
| 17:22.21 | gena2x | it may loose support, slow down, but never die |
| 17:22.36 | Ayobayo | If Mandriva disappears, so does the distro. But others can pick it up and continue on the work done so far. |
| 17:22.44 | proyvind | find it unlikely that mageia will be able to move very fast nor muchmuch less be able to really do any serious r&d on it's own |
| 17:23.31 | proyvind | mandriva linux has always been very dependent on people within company, especially when it comes to r&d, organizing etc. |
| 17:24.45 | proyvind | so I'm sticking with mandriva ;) |
| 17:24.59 | Ayobayo | It appeals much more to me that Mageia is community driven, and doesn't have to depend on the manager of the day, like Mandriva (and Nokia) |
| 17:25.35 | Ayobayo | A lot of the people developing Mandriva have been sacked. They are the ones who started Mageia. |
| 17:26.04 | proyvind | Ayobayo: I've yet to see any clear goals, direction or even any sense of consensus on anything yet when it comes to mageia |
| 17:26.52 | proyvind | most staff working on distro has been employed at conectiva for the last years anyways also.. |
| 17:26.53 | gena2x | manager. being managed is not bad for project. hm...... |
| 17:27.15 | Ayobayo | They claim tomorrow, or Thirsday we will hear more about vision, values, manifesto, roadmap. |
| 17:30.34 | Ayobayo | We will see how things go. It is nice to be part of something new. Mandriva (and before that Mandrake) has been a favorit of mine for a long time. I hope they do well. But they always seem to be in troubles, one way or the other. I chose Mageia in this case, despite the terrible name. 9.9 |
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| 17:32.18 | proyvind | Ayobayo: it'll be interesting to see how this turns out, will they announce it as final, or as a proposal? how,where,who,what++ for discussion currently? initial announcement only consisted of a list of some people and complaints about edge-it, nothing more about the project, lacking any of this, it seems very unlikely that it's announcement being unrelated to the general assembly meeting the dday before, and just right before off |
| 17:33.54 | Ayobayo | Something else entirely. I haven't been spending much time with my freerunner lately. Anybody got Meamo running on his/her freerunner? |
| 17:34.30 | proyvind | I only hope that they'll be sensible and don't give invitation mandriva the finger, but rather accepts joining into broad collaboration with it and others :) |
| 17:34.38 | proyvind | hm |
| 17:34.44 | proyvind | haven't tried |
| 17:35.04 | proyvind | I took the coward's way out, ditched gnu/linux and just installed android on it the other day |
| 17:35.08 | gena2x | Ayobayo: maemo? have you tried latest qtmoko? |
| 17:35.29 | Ayobayo | Never liked qtmoko. |
| 17:35.41 | proyvind | I found both qtmoko & shr to concurrently blow & suck :p |
| 17:35.53 | Ayobayo | I liked Qalee, though |
| 17:36.08 | gena2x | but then you tried it? |
| 17:36.15 | Ayobayo | Shr worked for me to a certain extend. |
| 17:36.21 | proyvind | just went with android for now, then look into gnu/linux again later when I got the time :) |
| 17:37.19 | gena2x | try latest qtmoko, it is really nice. |
| 17:37.26 | gena2x | :) |
| 17:37.53 | Ayobayo | Yes, I got Qalee working, beginning this year. Qtmoko I tried several times, it seems to be still an active distro. But I don't like the way the interface works. Just doesn't work for me. It runs great, though. |
| 17:38.17 | proyvind | hm, qalee? didn't see that one on the openmoko wiki.. what kind of distro is it? |
| 17:38.21 | Fox_Muldr | i would like qtmoko if it was based on an x server. but without x i can't use many programs :( |
| 17:38.35 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: it has Qx |
| 17:38.51 | gena2x | i am not using it, but people telling it is working well |
| 17:38.53 | Ayobayo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Qalee |
| 17:39.09 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: but i agree. i wish qt/x11 too. |
| 17:39.12 | Fox_Muldr | gena2x: the last time i tried x i only knew that i can't run any x applications |
| 17:39.26 | Fox_Muldr | on qtmoko |
| 17:39.31 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: all X apps should work |
| 17:39.48 | gena2x | it can start usual X server for you |
| 17:39.54 | gena2x | in addition to qtmoko interface |
| 17:40.06 | Ayobayo | Android only once had an image I managed to make work properly. I do like the android interface, in fact, I have an HTC Wildfire |
| 17:40.13 | Fox_Muldr | gena2x: maybe i should give it a try again. shr-u is not useable since months now for me. gsm is unreliable and i often have sd-card problems and the whole system freezes |
| 17:40.39 | Fox_Muldr | than at least i could use my freerunner again :) |
| 17:40.44 | Ayobayo | If you want something to work, qtmoko definately is the right way to go. |
| 17:41.31 | gena2x | sad, but qtmoko has some issues too. not with sd card, not with freezes, but gsm sometimes stop working here too (after resume) :( |
| 17:41.54 | gena2x | this is rare, but happens |
| 17:41.57 | Fox_Muldr | i have to try again. i only remember from the last time i tried that i disliked the missing x server |
| 17:42.19 | gena2x | find Qx, may be it will be enough for you |
| 17:42.45 | Ayobayo | I seem to be quite lucky then, never had the gsm stopping or the X problems. Just the interface doesn't fit me. |
| 17:43.21 | Fox_Muldr | is the latest bugfix for the "high current in standby" in the qtmoko kernel integrated? |
| 17:44.11 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: as author if 'high current in stadby' fix, i can say that it is completely not related to .29 kernels |
| 17:44.43 | gena2x | stable qtmoko (v26) is based on .29. |
| 17:44.57 | gena2x | experimental (v27) on .34. |
| 17:45.08 | Fox_Muldr | in the bug someone described that it was a wrong register setting in an power regulator in the later kernels which seemed wrong since > .29 kernels |
| 17:45.18 | gena2x | and v27 has high current problem fix. |
| 17:45.26 | Fox_Muldr | hehe maybe it was you i don't remember :) |
| 17:45.54 | gena2x | not so simple. register settings are same for all 3 kernels |
| 17:46.13 | gena2x | i didn't do investigation why .29 kernel works well |
| 17:46.35 | gena2x | but ... original problem statement '.32 eating more power than .29' ;) |
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| 17:49.50 | Fox_Muldr | gena2x: it was you that statet in the bug that in register 0x1F the content was different compared the .29 and .34 kernels. so was this the problem or was there more to it? :) |
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| 17:51.51 | Ayobayo | Why are they still working on Android Cupcake? Almost a year ago they already had a not too shabby image of Eclair. |
| 17:51.55 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: ah, register _value_ is different while suspend, but _settings_ were same |
| 17:52.10 | gena2x | ;) |
| 17:52.18 | Fox_Muldr | gena2x: ok sorry i used the wrong terms but i meant this :) |
| 17:54.50 | Fox_Muldr | i looked this register up in the datesheet and it sounds like this setting could lead to more power consumption in standby. it's quite interesting to investigate this kind of stuff. i wish i had more time to do such things myself more often |
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| 17:58.35 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: where is much interesting problems to solve! |
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| 18:02.30 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: for example, larsc in discussion about #2349 pointed to very interesting discussion http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg05811.html |
| 18:02.58 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: i see from the thread that out PMU is not put to standby while we suspended |
| 18:03.04 | gena2x | *our |
| 18:03.48 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: nice problem to investigate. may be putting it to standby may same few mA and increase suspend time by few days :) |
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| 18:08.06 | Fox_Muldr | gena2x: as far as i understand it one problem is that in register DOWN1ENA the bit was set so that the output was always on and not only when the gpio pin was set, or not? |
| 18:08.37 | Fox_Muldr | so the output of the regulator was always on instead only when the device is powered up |
| 18:08.43 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: right, but forget about #2349, it is solved :) |
| 18:09.24 | gena2x | i can say where is many other interesting things to solve |
| 18:10.14 | Fox_Muldr | i know but i find it interesting to understand what you did there :) |
| 18:11.15 | gena2x | i described that with great details in PR |
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| 18:11.29 | Fox_Muldr | PR? |
| 18:11.36 | gena2x | ah, problem report |
| 18:11.41 | Fox_Muldr | ah ok :) |
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| 18:24.24 | Fox_Muldr | shouldn't the topic be changed and the link to OM2009 be removed since this os is completely outdated? |
| 18:25.32 | badcloud | anyone know how to configure fbreader for comfy scrolling without using the virt kbd? |
| 18:28.36 | gena2x | Fox_Muldr: who knows how to change topic? |
| 18:28.37 | SpeedEvil | It just works on fbreader on maemo. |
| 18:28.41 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. |
| 18:28.55 | SpeedEvil | badcloud: have you looked through preferences/ |
| 18:29.10 | SpeedEvil | press top half of text to scroll up, ... |
| 18:29.36 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | German folks might consider to join #openmoko-de | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | logs http://is.gd/fiQwM |
| 18:29.43 | SpeedEvil | Looks like anyone can |
| 18:29.46 | SpeedEvil | so go nuts |
| 18:30.45 | badcloud | SpeedEvil: doesn't work for me for some reason... |
| 18:30.45 | *** topic/#openmoko by gena2x -> Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | German folks might consider to join #openmoko-de | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | logs http://is.gd/fiQwM |
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| 18:39.26 | *** topic/#openmoko by gena2x -> Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware users | WikiReader channel #openmoko-wikireader | Developers channel #openmoko-cdevel | German folks channel #openmoko-de | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | logs http://is.gd/fiQwM | distro-specific channels: #qtmoko, #android-on-freerunner, #openmoko-debian |
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| 18:53.38 | badcloud | SpeedEvil: am I missing something here? |
| 18:55.07 | SpeedEvil | badcloud: Sorry - I've not used the OM port. |
| 18:55.49 | badcloud | SpeedEvil: no worries, thanks anyhow :) |
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| 21:08.07 | sonic_baker | sonIRC |
| 21:08.53 | sonic_baker | Hi guys. I have an OM that turns itself off constantly after about 2 minutes. Has anyone seen this before? |
| 21:10.05 | sonic_baker | I'm pretty sure this is related to letting the battery run out but can't seem to get it to charge. |
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| 21:16.52 | lindi- | sonic_baker: what is the battery consumlption? |
| 21:17.16 | rooly | so i was a bit busy driving during the earlier discussion, Paul |
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| 21:17.32 | sonic_baker | lindi- not sure, how do I check? |
| 21:18.47 | lindi- | sonic_baker: "om battery consumption" |
| 21:19.24 | sonic_baker | Says 100mA on the wiki page, is that what you mean? |
| 21:20.58 | lindi- | sonic_baker: what wiki page? |
| 21:22.10 | sonic_baker | lindi-: openmoko.org wiki. It says that's the current it draws. That's probably not what you meant though. How did you mean when you said OM Power Consumption? |
| 21:29.18 | lindi- | sonic_baker: it has way too many pages |
| 21:29.33 | lindi- | sonic_baker: "om battery consumption" is a command |
| 21:31.03 | sonic_baker | lindi-: Oh ok. From the terminal? |
| 21:35.49 | lindi- | sonic_baker: a terminal probably makes it easy yes |
| 21:39.09 | sonic_baker | lindi-: Having trouble getting it to stay booted into the OS long enough to issue that command |
| 21:39.19 | lindi- | sonic_baker: what OS is it? |
| 21:39.32 | sonic_baker | Qtopia |
| 21:39.57 | lindi- | sonic_baker: ok, never used that |
| 21:40.17 | lindi- | sonic_baker: it might not even include "om" |
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| 21:40.29 | sonic_baker | Was trying to flash it back to something more simple to get it charged but can't get it to turn on without the USB plugged in so can't flash |
| 21:41.21 | ftn | hey there. do you how can I disable the deep sleep mode in the neo?, please |
| 21:41.34 | lindi- | ftn: that entirely depends on the software you use |
| 21:42.05 | lindi- | I can only help with fso-frameworkd |
| 21:42.07 | ftn | lindi- the thing is that I installed the latest shr-t and my phone doesn't ring when it's suspended |
| 21:44.43 | lindi- | ftn: does it go to deep sleep? |
| 21:44.54 | sonic_baker | lindi-: Got the command issued just before it died. It returned 270000. Is that familiar looking? |
| 21:45.37 | lindi- | sonic_baker: that means it is not charging |
| 21:45.43 | lindi- | sonic_baker: but instead consuming 270 mA |
| 21:46.04 | sonic_baker | ok, so would you know how I can make it charge? |
| 21:47.41 | lindi- | sonic_baker: does usb networking work? |
| 21:48.02 | sonic_baker | No, I've never got it working cause I'm on a mac |
| 21:48.18 | sonic_baker | The two devices seem to hate eachother |
| 21:49.38 | lindi- | sonic_baker: I think you need usb networking to be able to do anything realistically |
| 21:49.51 | lindi- | sonic_baker: consider installing gnu/linux to your mac |
| 21:50.00 | ftn | lindi- sorry, it doesn't go to deep sleep modem but it won't keep registered: on the settings application, phone, gsm antenna is Off, and won't turn on |
| 21:50.18 | sonic_baker | lindi-: I have a live CD I can use |
| 21:50.35 | sonic_baker | Do you know what I need to do if I can get it going? |
| 21:50.40 | lindi- | ftn: if it does not go to deep sleep then disabling deep sleep mode won't help |
| 21:51.02 | lindi- | sonic_baker: well no, I can't guess the problem without any info |
| 21:51.18 | sonic_baker | ok, understandable |
| 21:51.23 | lindi- | sonic_baker: especially since I have never used qtopia... |
| 21:52.13 | sonic_baker | yeah. If I could only get it to charge a little. It just seems to shut itself off. Do you know if it charges the battery during the boot menu? |
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| 21:54.42 | lindi- | sonic_baker: u-boot by default only draws 100 mA and consumes more than that.. |
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| 21:55.46 | sonic_baker | so I'm screwed then I guess. Unless I can get it to draw more |
| 21:56.19 | lindi- | I have a patch to make it draw more :) |
| 21:57.14 | lindi- | http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/u-boot-force-charging1.patch is very hacky but works for me |
| 22:05.10 | sonic_baker | lindi-: Ok. I've never worked with patched before. How can I use this? |
| 22:08.00 | lindi- | sonic_baker: what OS do you use on your PC? |
| 22:08.17 | sonic_baker | Mac 10.5 |
| 22:08.59 | lindi- | sonic_baker: then I can't help much sorry |
| 22:09.17 | sonic_baker | ok, I have a linux machine in work though |
| 22:19.15 | Wonka | Debug Board successfully used to flash something else: https://irgendwasistjaimmer.in-kiel.de/iwiji/index.php?/archives/23-How-to-flash-a-new-CFE-into-your-bricked-Netgear-WGT634U.html |
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