| 00:04.40 | jaj | hi, does anybody know how I can manually turn off the screen on the freerunner? |
| 00:05.16 | jaj | I use it headless and want to save power |
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| 01:12.55 | GeneralError | jaj: how do you use the freerunner headless? |
| 01:13.17 | GeneralError | and more importantly, what distro? |
| 01:27.44 | spydon | GeneralError, isn't that pretty much "plug and play" in most of the distros? |
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| 01:29.47 | GeneralError | spydon: yeah it's a common feature |
| 01:29.55 | GeneralError | in SHR it's in the power settings |
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| 04:03.22 | lindi- | jaj: "om screen power 0" |
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| 11:11.48 | jaj | GeneralError: hackable:1 but I apt-get removed everything that is not absolutely necessary like xorg etc. now I plan to use it as a low power web server for static content or as the occasional gps logger / gprs modem etc. |
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| 11:15.17 | jaj | dpkg -l gives me 150 packages now. I also upgraded to debian sid. top now only shows a couple of processes, boot time and performance are quite ok now :) |
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| 11:24.37 | jaj | lindi-: thank you very much :) |
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| 21:19.07 | LionKMP | root@om-gta02 /usr/lib/opkg # touch lock |
| 21:19.08 | LionKMP | touch: lock: Input/output error |
| 21:19.18 | LionKMP | hi..what's that, above? |
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| 21:22.45 | lindi- | LionKMP: dmesg? |
| 21:25.09 | LionKMP | I needed to remove the battery too often (SHR not responding), I think I should reinstall. |
| 21:25.36 | LionKMP | I need to reboot to see dmesg, my Mandriva can connect to Moko only once per boot. :-D |
| 21:25.41 | LionKMP | moment |
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| 21:29.50 | LionKMP | yes, dmesg has ext2 errors too, like this: |
| 21:29.50 | lindi- | LionKMP: reboot clears dmesg |
| 21:29.57 | LionKMP | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.06 | lindi- | LionKMP: broken fs |
| 21:30.19 | LionKMP | and "lock" is still I/O error. |
| 21:30.37 | LionKMP | ah, I was running package upgrades for 2 days, and now, just before ready, I need to reinstall you think? |
| 21:30.47 | lindi- | LionKMP: you can restore from backup |
| 21:31.16 | LionKMP | backup? |
| 21:36.02 | LionKMP | backup is called om-full-gta02.tar.gz :) |
| 21:36.18 | LionKMP | hm, question |
| 21:36.40 | LionKMP | can I make two partitions so that I reinstall this tar.gz all the time, but I can keep my data? On the MicroSD? |
| 21:36.58 | LionKMP | or would the other partition also break due to the OS crashes you think? |
| 21:36.58 | lindi- | LionKMP: you don't make backups? |
| 21:37.42 | LionKMP | lindi-: with Moko I am just playing, reflashing and so on, no need backup. (Other than that I have quite strict backup strategy.) |
| 21:38.02 | LionKMP | I saved my GPXes, the rest can go. |
| 21:38.16 | lindi- | LionKMP: ok, I take it seriously :) |
| 21:38.27 | LionKMP | however it would be cool if I could keep the 100MB maps. |
| 21:38.34 | LionKMP | or so |
| 21:38.40 | lindi- | well copy them to host |
| 21:39.02 | LionKMP | oh, hm.. good idea. That's probably faster than OSM download! |
| 21:39.23 | LionKMP | but what about 2 partitions? would that work? E.g. if I buy a bigger MicroSD? |
| 21:39.51 | LionKMP | format the /, reinstall, and keep /home2 or whatever I call it. |
| 21:39.53 | lindi- | LionKMP: no need to have 2 partitions |
| 21:40.06 | LionKMP | but I need to reinstall too often. :( Do you use SHR? |
| 21:40.11 | lindi- | no i use debian |
| 21:40.15 | LionKMP | yeah |
| 21:40.16 | lindi- | I installed in 2008 :) |
| 21:40.20 | LionKMP | :D |
| 21:40.26 | LionKMP | very nice |
| 21:41.42 | LionKMP | does that have TangoGPS? |
| 21:43.38 | lindi- | LionKMP: it did, now we moved to foxtrotgps which is a fork of tangogps |
| 21:43.54 | LionKMP | yes, I saw the announcement of that. Didn't read the details yet. |
| 21:44.25 | lindi- | largest issue was that the glade source code for tangogps was not avialable |
| 21:44.41 | lindi- | so the UI had to be rewritten |
| 21:45.35 | max_posedon | wasn't it possible just ask for it? |
| 21:45.36 | LionKMP | hm.. then it may take a while to add real improvements. Is it focused on making maps? Isn't it? I check the site, moment. |
| 21:45.44 | lindi- | max_posedon: we did ask |
| 21:45.48 | lindi- | max_posedon: did not get it |
| 21:45.59 | lindi- | LionKMP: making maps? |
| 21:46.05 | lindi- | LionKMP: no, it has the same focus as tangogps |
| 21:46.26 | max_posedon | because mail wasn't asnwered? (gone to spam) or because developer doesn't want show it? |
| 21:46.47 | lindi- | max_posedon: you haven't been following tangogps development clearly :) |
| 21:47.23 | max_posedon | yes, I haven't :), I just hate forks sometimes, (and sometimes love it). I'm founding out would I love this or hate) |
| 21:47.24 | LionKMP | yes, I expected to see a "why" in the FAQ, but it wasn't there :) |
| 21:48.02 | lindi- | max_posedon: yes we wanted to avoid fork at all cost |
| 21:48.17 | lindi- | max_posedon: but it didn't get any better even after years |
| 21:48.32 | lindi- | LionKMP: well we did want to keep it as politically correct as possible |
| 21:49.09 | LionKMP | yes, I understand |
| 21:49.38 | lindi- | max_posedon: there is no public version control system for tangogps |
| 21:50.07 | max_posedon | ah, bad. ok, now I get reasons for foxtrot |
| 21:50.13 | lindi- | max_posedon: glade source code for UI is not available. patches receive feedback very rarely |
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| 21:51.03 | lindi- | max_posedon: and then there are things like http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2008/11/the-open-source-project-that-made-me-annoyed-angry/ which alone could be tolerated |
| 21:53.04 | max_posedon | yep, known problem sometimes |
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| 22:01.21 | LionKMP | isn't there a way to install Debian on a MicroSD without having a running system on the internal storage? (e.g. uncompress a tar/gz to MicroSD?) |
| 22:01.44 | LionKMP | I have Android on the internal storage, so I would need to install something else just to run "install.sh". :-( |
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| 22:07.15 | lindi- | LionKMP: there's some very experimental work on that |
| 22:07.24 | lindi- | LionKMP: presented today in new york |
| 22:07.40 | lindi- | LionKMP: I think you are much better off just using install.shj |
| 22:07.56 | LionKMP | well, nevermind, I'll burn an SHR over that Android. The problem is that any other system I tried this year was unable to boot from the internal storage. |
| 22:08.22 | LionKMP | (exept Android, but that installs itself, no "neo-tool") |
| 22:08.45 | LionKMP | dfu-util, that is. |
| 22:09.23 | LionKMP | I need a new MicroSD card too. Is there a way to know if Wear Levelling is available before buying? |
| 22:09.46 | lindi- | LionKMP: available? |
| 22:09.54 | LionKMP | on a specific card |
| 22:10.24 | lindi- | LionKMP: they all do wear leveling |
| 22:10.30 | LionKMP | most shops write only GB and company for the cards, e.g. Transcend 4GB. |
| 22:10.52 | LionKMP | howsthat? Wikipedia says this is a new special techology to expand the card's life |
| 22:11.39 | lindi- | LionKMP: what's the source of wikipedia? |
| 22:12.24 | LionKMP | ok, if you say so, I just stop worry and buy the one I planned. |
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| 22:37.45 | SpeedEvil | LionKMP: All microSD cards implement wear leveling. |
| 22:37.53 | SpeedEvil | The exact algorithms are not published. |
| 22:42.40 | LionKMP | ok thank you. Nice to know! |
| 22:44.34 | max_posedon | but still its better to have fs, which have ssd optionmisation/trim support |
| 22:45.58 | LionKMP | When I install any OS with dfu-util, they don't boot. Any ideas? |
| 22:46.37 | LionKMP | Android worked 100% ok from the internal storage (that installs itself from the MicroSD) |
| 22:46.43 | max_posedon | you need update boot loader |
| 22:46.50 | max_posedon | or configure it properly |
| 22:47.05 | LionKMP | hm, just take the Qi from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ M |
| 22:47.07 | LionKMP | ? |
| 22:47.22 | LionKMP | OS starts booting but stops |
| 22:47.54 | max_posedon | you know, its still too few information to guess |
| 22:47.55 | LionKMP | I have a Qi, but installed many years ago I think |
| 22:48.29 | LionKMP | [ 1.8 ] SoftDog: Cannot register miscdev on minor=130 (err=16) |
| 22:48.39 | LionKMP | above that 3 more lines, and that's all. Need those 3 too? |
| 22:48.44 | LionKMP | Setting mode! |
| 22:48.46 | LionKMP | Setting base! |
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| 22:48.59 | LionKMP | entering (old_state=off, new_state=normal) |
| 22:49.28 | LionKMP | that's all. shr-unstable (full-om-gta02.jffs2) |
| 22:49.44 | LionKMP | but I tried it 3-4 times before, and QMoko or what too. |
| 22:49.53 | gena2x | qtmoko? |
| 22:49.54 | LionKMP | 3-4 times = earlier this year, different versions. |
| 22:49.58 | gena2x | not working? |
| 22:50.02 | max_posedon | I can't help you with this, may somebody else can. I use uboot and shr on nand(ubifs) |
| 22:50.19 | gena2x | from nand or from usd? |
| 22:50.42 | LionKMP | hm.. ok. |
| 22:50.50 | LionKMP | gena2x: I can't get it boot from the internal storage (nand?) |
| 22:50.58 | gena2x | yes. |
| 22:50.59 | LionKMP | ah, usd = MicroSD :) |
| 22:51.14 | gena2x | yaah, not $ |
| 22:51.34 | LionKMP | Android worked OK, but that installs itself, does not need dfu-util. |
| 22:51.42 | gena2x | so, i can try to help with qtmoko if you wish. |
| 22:52.08 | gena2x | android also repartitions your nand. |
| 22:52.26 | LionKMP | and is it "fixed" when I burn Kernel and RootFS? |
| 22:52.33 | gena2x | so, lets try install qtmoko? |
| 22:52.42 | LionKMP | hm.. maybe andoid broke it! |
| 22:53.05 | LionKMP | ok :) It's 1am and I spent 4-5 hours on trying to get OpenMoko related things work. |
| 22:53.22 | gena2x | oh... i looked to clock. |
| 22:53.33 | gena2x | i have to go bad for sure. |
| 22:53.38 | LionKMP | bed |
| 22:53.42 | gena2x | so, can't help today :) |
| 22:53.45 | gena2x | yeah. |
| 22:53.49 | LionKMP | ok, then no qtmoko today. Ok 1 question |
| 22:53.52 | LionKMP | FSO or debian based? |
| 22:54.02 | gena2x | i am using debian. |
| 22:54.05 | LionKMP | ok |
| 22:54.10 | LionKMP | next time, see you :) |
| 22:54.14 | LionKMP | I leave too |
| 22:54.15 | gena2x | but my 'using' is different :) |
| 22:54.24 | gena2x | and qtmoko for calls. |
| 22:54.48 | gena2x | tomorrow, if you still wish to understand why it is not working. |
| 22:55.04 | LionKMP | ok TIA! |
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| 23:03.39 | LionKMP | "android also repartitions your nand." was a good idea |
| 23:03.43 | LionKMP | very good indeed |
| 23:04.19 | LionKMP | SHR is up & running. I didn't know that Android breaks Qi or something related. |
| 23:04.27 | LionKMP | Qi reflashing helped |
| 23:04.45 | LionKMP | thanks all :) |
| 23:04.50 | LionKMP | good night |
| 23:07.22 | balrog-k1n | anyone ever had Illegal Instruction in /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 from SHR packages? |
| 23:08.41 | zub | hm, have you ruled out storage corruption? |
| 23:09.16 | zub | anyway, I haven't seen ^ |
| 23:11.42 | zub | 'night |
| 23:20.16 | balrog-k1n | if i reinstall glib a couple of times and it persists, it should rule out storage problems, right? |
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