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| 03:38.59 | naquan | hi everyone. Is there a faster way to backup and restore uSD card images other than using dd command? I used the dd with bzip2 and it take 15 mins to create the image and 30 mins to restore it to an 4GB card :( |
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| 04:05.51 | naught101__ | hrm... I just set scaling to 40% in ilume settings in SHR, and now my top bar has disappeared. anyone how to get it back up, or how to change the settings? |
| 04:05.56 | naught101__ | I tried restarting x |
| 04:09.09 | naught101__ | can't see the keyboard either |
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| 04:12.36 | Undrwater | naught101__: i think there's a way to use enlightenment_remote to do that |
| 04:13.32 | Undrwater | naught101__: default 142 i think |
| 04:15.53 | naught101__ | Undrwater: ok, I'll try to install it |
| 04:16.00 | naught101__ | what package is it in? |
| 04:16.42 | Undrwater | should be in e |
| 04:16.55 | Undrwater | ewm...do a google search for enlightenment_remote |
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| 04:19.31 | naught101__ | wtf.. |
| 04:19.32 | naught101__ | $ /usr/bin/enlightenment_remote |
| 04:19.35 | naught101__ | -sh: /usr/bin/enlightenment_remote: not found |
| 04:19.41 | naught101__ | it IS there, and it's executable.. |
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| 04:39.01 | naught101__ | where are illume settings stored? |
| 04:53.33 | naught101__ | rm -rf /home/root/.e/e/config/* |
| 04:53.45 | Undrwater | you could even just blast .e |
| 04:53.49 | Undrwater | that might do it |
| 04:53.57 | naught101__ | mumble muble plaintext conf files mumble |
| 04:54.02 | naught101__ | :D |
| 04:54.02 | Undrwater | hehehe |
| 04:54.25 | Undrwater | e is working on configuration ui's that will make things a bit easier |
| 04:54.57 | Undrwater | but there's logic behind why the graphics get "compiled" |
| 04:55.10 | naught101__ | speed? |
| 04:57.46 | naught101__ | it's midly ironic that the only dialogue that's hampered by a small screen size in enlightenment is the "look" settings |
| 05:05.40 | Undrwater | speed and other things...yeah...it is quite funny |
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| 05:11.45 | naught101__ | is there a way to change the theme of SHR-today? or at least eh background? |
| 05:11.53 | naught101__ | eh=the |
| 05:16.15 | Undrwater | not that i know of...used to be a config file...but apparently it will be set in the settings app soon |
| 05:16.49 | naquan | naught101__ : touch the ILLUME, when you see the small, green SHR logo at the top left corner click it, the settings 're there. |
| 05:17.43 | naught101__ | naquan: yeah, I know, I couldn't find settings for shr-today |
| 05:23.03 | Undrwater | naquan: unless you're saying that shr-today settings are there? |
| 05:25.18 | naquan | naught101__, Undrwater: it's not there, i'm sorry. |
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| 05:26.33 | naught101__ | no worries |
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| 16:49.52 | *** topic/#openmoko is Users of Openmoko Mobile Phone Hardware | WikiReader users, please join #openmoko-wikireader | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org + http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | SHR images: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ | hackable:1 rev5 is out ! |
| 16:49.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 16:49.58 | infobot | ~pong |
| 16:50.08 | *** mode/#openmoko [-o DocScrutinizer51] by ChanServ |
| 16:50.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~uptime |
| 16:51.43 | Serdar | is someone useing mac anyway? |
| 16:52.30 | nullix | Serdar: i could check tomorrow if i can get access to our unique company's mac. |
| 16:52.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: I seem to remeber a few howto-macOSX pages on wiki |
| 16:53.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: basically macOS is a unix. So recommendations for linux might be quite applicable |
| 16:53.44 | nullix | mac should somehow behaves like a BSD and i don't see why it would not work |
| 16:53.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
| 16:54.34 | nullix | Serdar: what distribution did you install on Freerunner ? |
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| 16:54.51 | Serdar | I don't see it too, I mean I got it recognized and add the ip 192.168.0.200 |
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| 16:55.00 | Serdar | try to ping 192.168.0.202 and failed. |
| 16:55.13 | Serdar | nullix, Android eclair |
| 16:55.33 | Serdar | it works "sometimes" with vboxed ubuntu. |
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| 16:55.53 | nullix | well might be android case too... |
| 16:55.55 | Serdar | I am new with mac. |
| 16:56.22 | Serdar | nullix, I guess it'S a configuration problem |
| 16:56.55 | Serdar | I must messed up something with my mac configuration for the ethernet device. |
| 16:57.10 | nullix | Serdar: i try to get access to our mac, but i have a Hackable not an Android |
| 16:57.16 | Serdar | I mean I _can_ access with ubuntu on mac/vbox but it does not work well. |
| 16:57.40 | Serdar | nullix, it will help, if I can ping at first. |
| 16:57.46 | Serdar | I can't ping 202 |
| 16:57.49 | Serdar | but 200 |
| 16:57.55 | Serdar | but that's correct. |
| 17:01.02 | Serdar | btw. is someone going to fosdem10? |
| 17:01.08 | nullix | well it works for me |
| 17:01.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: do a 'ifconfig' |
| 17:01.56 | Serdar | my ifconfig is okac, wait I make a nopaste |
| 17:02.01 | nullix | when i plug usb cable i have a network configuration pop-up to set interface, i select manualy then i use 192.168.0.200 address and 255.255.255.0 netmask |
| 17:02.12 | Serdar | http://pastebin.com/m58857849 |
| 17:02.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | or even better do a less /var/log/messages or syslog or whatever directly after connecting FR |
| 17:02.33 | nullix | and in a console ping 192.168.0.202 works and ssh root@192.168.0.202 works as well |
| 17:03.20 | Serdar | RNDIS/...Gadget? |
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| 17:04.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: that seems to be ok. |
| 17:04.23 | nullix | meanwhile i just deactivated power management |
| 17:04.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: what's output of 'route' |
| 17:04.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 17:05.07 | Serdar | only route? |
| 17:05.33 | Serdar | only route or sudo route says: usage: route [-dnqtv] command [[modifiers] args] |
| 17:06.04 | Ainulindale | route print |
| 17:06.30 | Ainulindale | (IIRC) |
| 17:06.37 | Ainulindale | (but I'm on the phone so I might be wrong) |
| 17:06.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: maybe that helps: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh |
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| 17:08.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: obvously you need to either call it via 'sudo neo-ssh (your eth device)' or copy the commands one by one and execute in a rootshell |
| 17:08.30 | nullix | normaly you don't have to add any route since you indicated a netmask taht includes 202 |
| 17:09.04 | Serdar | DocScrutinizer51, that don't work here, because of this dev in route: serdar-deres-macbook-pro:tools serdar$ sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev en2 |
| 17:09.04 | Serdar | route: bad address: dev |
| 17:09.07 | nullix | Serdar: you don't have any firewall tool that prevent traffic to flow through ? |
| 17:09.43 | Serdar | nullix, I haven't installed one, so if there is any installed standard, than the answer is no. |
| 17:10.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: why 'dev' |
| 17:10.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 17:10.13 | Serdar | your link. |
| 17:10.20 | Serdar | it says dev $DEV |
| 17:10.22 | nullix | you have no internal network already set on 192.168. network ? |
| 17:10.31 | nullix | like en0 ... |
| 17:10.36 | Serdar | en2 |
| 17:10.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm seems your route cmd has a bit differing syntax |
| 17:10.55 | Serdar | en0 uses 192.168.2.Y |
| 17:10.56 | Serdar | X |
| 17:11.25 | Serdar | err I mean en1 en0 is down. |
| 17:12.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: you might want to man route and adapt the syntax |
| 17:13.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | Serdar: sudo route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 en2 |
| 17:13.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | without dev |
| 17:14.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems to be the right syntax for your route. judging by the error it throws |
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| 17:16.18 | nullix | ? |
| 17:16.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | nullix: ?? |
| 17:16.54 | nullix | i don't see wwhy it does not work |
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| 17:17.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | it should work as soon as he has right routing |
| 17:17.44 | nullix | i didn't set any routing and it was running straight |
| 17:17.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | 192,168,0,X is free |
| 17:17.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | on macOS? |
| 17:18.17 | nullix | yes on Mac OS-X |
| 17:18.34 | nullix | i jusrt did the test ten minutes ago |
| 17:18.53 | nullix | but with HAckable not with Android |
| 17:18.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | well some wicked OM distris run a dhcp client and some macs run a dhcp server. maybe thats why |
| 17:20.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | other distros ommit the dhcp client for some reason - mostly memory savings I guess |
| 17:21.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | and do not ask me bout android. No support for android here |
| 17:23.16 | Serdar | back. |
| 17:23.34 | Serdar | sorry, was attacked. |
| 17:25.11 | Serdar | it's not a android issue, it works with linux, I am doing something wrong I guess. |
| 17:26.22 | Serdar | btw. DocScrutinizer51 the topic don't say that android is forbidden here. |
| 17:26.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | it,s not forbidden |
| 17:26.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | I just refuse to deal with it |
| 17:28.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | though initial port of android to FR was even sponsored by OM, I still vividly dislike android concept |
| 17:33.02 | Serdar | there is only onething I don't like and that's their "behind closed doors" stuff. |
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| 17:33.56 | Serdar | hi juan_arandaalvar |
| 17:34.24 | juan_arandaalvar | Hello |
| 17:37.38 | nullix | Serdar: after failed ping can you do an arp -a ? |
| 17:38.56 | Serdar | http://pastebin.com/m755cce |
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| 17:39.51 | Serdar | brb |
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| 17:41.52 | Serdar | so |
| 17:42.39 | nullix | uhm i don't know i am surprise that mac@ is same for en2 than for 192.168.0.202 ( it is not the case on my working test ) |
| 17:42.59 | nullix | what is netmask of your en1 ? |
| 17:43.29 | Serdar | 255.255.255. |
| 17:43.31 | Serdar | 0 |
| 17:43.33 | nullix | Serdar: i will have to leave within minutes |
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| 17:43.49 | Serdar | okay |
| 17:44.42 | nullix | i don't see what causes this problem |
| 17:44.51 | nullix | tryy arp -d 192.168.0.202 and ping again |
| 17:45.34 | Serdar | same. |
| 17:45.50 | nullix | and arp -a is still with interface mac@ ? |
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| 17:46.16 | nullix | well this seems weird |
| 17:46.37 | Serdar | ? (192.168.0.202) at 0:1f:11:1:6e:66 on en2 ifscope [ethernet] |
| 17:46.40 | Serdar | you mean this? |
| 17:47.04 | Serdar | btw. I used the mac system configuration program and there network. |
| 17:47.18 | nullix | yes |
| 17:47.34 | Serdar | dhcp with manual address |
| 17:47.56 | nullix | NO DHCP |
| 17:48.18 | Serdar | ah |
| 17:48.23 | nullix | i think this is the problem, don't set dhcp |
| 17:48.28 | Serdar | okay than manual |
| 17:48.55 | Serdar | what did you add in router and dns? |
| 17:49.19 | nullix | nothing yet, useless |
| 17:49.29 | Serdar | only ip-address? |
| 17:49.33 | nullix | it is usefull only if you want to provide internt acess to android |
| 17:49.46 | Serdar | no I don't |
| 17:50.14 | nullix | so test i tnow, i have really to go |
| 17:50.38 | Serdar | nope ping does not work. |
| 17:50.46 | nullix | arp -d 192.168.0.202 and ping again |
| 17:51.03 | Serdar | same Request timeout for icmp_seq 1 |
| 17:51.08 | Serdar | thanks anyway. |
| 17:51.30 | nullix | unplug & replug |
| 17:52.00 | Serdar | same. |
| 17:52.02 | nullix | now i leave, bye |
| 17:52.08 | Serdar | adios and thanks. |
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| 17:52.20 | nullix | ( i dislike that : not fixing things )... |
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| 18:59.16 | gena2x | JaMa|W: ping |
| 19:02.33 | gena2x | JaMa|W: cancel |
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| 19:20.41 | JaMa|W | gena2x: :) |
| 19:20.45 | JaMa|W | gena2x: why cancel? |
| 19:21.22 | gena2x | JaMa|W: it's ok, i already found mrmoku and asked all questions on -cdevel :) |
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| 21:20.39 | fradeve | hi folks, anyone using qtmoko v16 here? |
| 21:21.38 | groszek | me |
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| 21:23.00 | fradeve | groszek: do you have ssh enabled by default after flashing? I've just flashed v16 but ssh doesn't work :( |
| 21:23.10 | groszek | hm, yes |
| 21:23.15 | groszek | it worked right away |
| 21:23.21 | groszek | can you ping the device? |
| 21:23.34 | fradeve | groszek: from my ubuntubox I've done "ssh root@192.168.0.202" |
| 21:23.39 | fradeve | groszek: but nothing :( |
| 21:23.40 | groszek | can you ping? |
| 21:23.51 | groszek | do you have routes etc well set? |
| 21:24.27 | fradeve | ping 192.168.0.202 doesn't ping :( |
| 21:24.43 | groszek | ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 && ip link set dev usb0 up && route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev usb0 |
| 21:24.51 | groszek | where usb0 is the fr interface |
| 21:25.16 | fradeve | groszek: it's very strange cause just a couple of hours ago shr-testing's ssh worked :| |
| 21:25.35 | groszek | ifconfig -a, see where is freerunner, which itnerface |
| 21:25.40 | groszek | and then issue my commands |
| 21:25.56 | Undrwater | groszek: unplug and replug device? |
| 21:26.07 | fradeve | groszek: wait, I'm here |
| 21:26.07 | groszek | that may help too ;] |
| 21:26.15 | groszek | yes you are..? |
| 21:26.16 | Undrwater | fradeve i mean ;) |
| 21:26.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | everything and all well here? |
| 21:26.36 | Undrwater | i feel like i'm in #maemo ;) |
| 21:26.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 21:26.51 | groszek | btw, maemo can already make calls on FR? :] |
| 21:27.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | groszek: mer can |
| 21:27.16 | groszek | uhm |
| 21:27.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | I feel like I,m not in #mer |
| 21:28.08 | fradeve | groszek: yeah, I'm in :D |
| 21:28.13 | fradeve | groszek: thanks, really :D |
| 21:28.17 | groszek | good :) |
| 21:29.22 | Undrwater | fradeve: was it the replug or the oneliner? |
| 21:30.01 | fradeve | Undrwater: simply I've forgotten to rewrite /.ssh/known_hosts |
| 21:30.29 | fradeve | but the groszek suggestion has been quite interesting, I've automated the ssh process with a little script :) |
| 21:30.30 | Undrwater | fradeve: ahhh...ok |
| 21:30.31 | groszek | that would fix some different problem, not this one... |
| 21:30.41 | groszek | strange |
| 21:31.20 | Undrwater | DocScrutinizer51: you bought n900? |
| 21:31.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | fradeve: see people.om.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-* |
| 21:31.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | Undrwater: alas nobody gave me for free |
| 21:32.08 | Undrwater | i almost bought...but then found that it doesn't have usb host |
| 21:32.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | Undrwater: I don't miss it too much (hm) |
| 21:32.34 | SpeedEvil | Undrwater: that's not quite clear yet. |
| 21:32.41 | Undrwater | SpeedEvil: no? |
| 21:32.58 | Undrwater | i remember it being advertised... |
| 21:33.01 | SpeedEvil | Undrwater: it seems the hardware may be capable - but the software is unimplemented. |
| 21:33.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | we still refuse to accept. let,s put it that way |
| 21:33.22 | SpeedEvil | At least based on current understanding based on all info. |
| 21:33.25 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 21:33.47 | SpeedEvil | It's a big step - though maybe only a few line patch from 'might work' to 'does work' |
| 21:33.51 | Undrwater | the difference between open and closed hardware becomes quickly apparent ;) |
| 21:33.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: you talked to paul? |
| 21:34.07 | SpeedEvil | Also it is definately less good than the FR in that respect - as there is no power |
| 21:34.13 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - he's unsure too |
| 21:34.31 | Undrwater | SpeedEvil: no power meaning? |
| 21:34.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | he could explain better than me |
| 21:34.57 | SpeedEvil | Undrwater: you can connect USB stuff to it. But you need external power. So an external power source. |
| 21:35.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's why I suggested you query him |
| 21:35.33 | Undrwater | SpeedEvil: does fR provide power? will any device require power? |
| 21:35.42 | SpeedEvil | Currently I'm trying to get round to hunting out datasheets. |
| 21:35.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | (external power) much like neo1973 |
| 21:36.00 | SpeedEvil | Undrwater: All devices without their own PSU or battery will need power. |
| 21:36.19 | SpeedEvil | Undrwater: many devices with external power or batteries need a token power source to recognise USB. |
| 21:36.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 21:37.52 | Undrwater | as a for instance, freerunner will read my usb flash drive...do i understand you to say that even if n900 has host, it will not be able to read my usb flash drive without power? |
| 21:38.04 | SpeedEvil | Undrwater: yes. |
| 21:38.26 | Undrwater | wow...how about serial -> usb device? |
| 21:38.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: please share all interesting ds you might find |
| 21:38.47 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: sure - I need to chase stuff up. |
| 21:39.03 | SpeedEvil | Undrwater: no - nothing that has no internal battery or PSU will work. |
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| 21:39.35 | Undrwater | grrr |
| 21:40.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | Undrwater: but almost every random powered hub might cure that |
| 21:40.32 | Undrwater | DocScrutinizer51: yeah...but what a pita to have to carry that too |
| 21:40.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes exactly |
| 21:41.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | it renders the whole hostmode rather useless |
| 21:41.06 | Undrwater | maybe i'll stay with openmoko for a while :) |
| 21:41.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | good decision as long as you're happy with it |
| 21:41.55 | Undrwater | i'm getting happier |
| 21:42.36 | Undrwater | although illume is starting to frustrate me...hoping raster's new partnership will make it more useful for small devices like it is advertised |
| 21:42.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | happier = better decission |
| 21:43.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah raster is a eyecandy guy. not a minimalist |
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| 23:19.36 | fradeve | hi guys, is there any GUI to simply configure wifi connection on qtmoko v16? |
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| 23:23.17 | Serdar | re |
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| 23:45.08 | slaxxer | buttons in contacts got bigger but the button fonts are still too small |
| 23:45.28 | slaxxer | same in calculator |
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| 23:58.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | wow.. 167MB .xsession-errors. I'm almost afraid to look at whats in there |