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| 00:04.01 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rff419af3cfab 10/fsotdld/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsotdld: source_gsm: report location based on recognized timezone (only if this is not ambigous, of course) |
| 00:09.15 | gonzoism | i think plexiglass. i don't know how to work with teflon, just use it for painting. |
| 00:09.52 | gonzoism | plus, i can make the front cover see through. :) |
| 00:12.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * red161a68d45c 10/src/ (4 files): regen |
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| 01:11.47 | gonzoism | what do we use for binary sms messages ? or for reading the db file ? |
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| 02:23.10 | slaxxer | anybody have a good spot for an external gps antenna to buy? |
| 02:24.34 | rafa | what is up? |
| 02:25.46 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.21 | slaxxer | hope it works |
| 02:28.20 | slaxxer | looks like a complete rebuild |
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| 02:31.01 | naquan | Hi everyone, I 've just flash my freerunner with an unstable SHR rom, it went well but no file browser show up in home screen, how can I bring it up or install one? |
| 02:32.25 | slaxxer | which shr install was it by date |
| 02:33.39 | slaxxer | todays lite image? |
| 02:33.53 | naquan | uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119860+b90406de472c1aa5371ab593a2bb79136d5de658-r6-om-gta02 |
| 02:34.21 | naquan | the full one, i download it yesterday |
| 02:34.53 | slaxxer | that was a kernel |
| 02:35.16 | naquan | full-om-gta02.jffs2 |
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| 02:35.29 | slaxxer | no file manager? |
| 02:35.29 | naquan | the rootfs does not have the date |
| 02:35.41 | naquan | yes |
| 02:35.48 | naquan | no link in home screen |
| 02:36.51 | slaxxer | does the gsm work for u? |
| 02:39.07 | naquan | the phone work well, include itone and other stuff |
| 02:41.59 | naquan | but i need the file browser, i recall the testing version have one, how can i install it? |
| 02:46.22 | slaxxer | i c applications page has been repaired a little |
| 02:47.33 | naquan | is the application still there? can i call it in terminal? |
| 02:48.03 | slaxxer | http://www.opkg.org/package_216.html |
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| 02:49.31 | slaxxer | http://www.opkg.org/package_238.html |
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| 03:04.54 | naquan | slaxxer: thank you, i'm trying to install it. |
| 03:05.43 | slaxxer | does wifi work to? |
| 03:06.49 | naquan | i tried the wifi, but it always show "connection timeout" even when i 'm next to the router. |
| 03:07.07 | naquan | but it can detect the network well |
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| 03:16.59 | naquan | slaxxer: should i try another version of SHR? |
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| 03:34.52 | naquan | can anyone give me the link to download python-pygame,python-unixadmin,python-misc,python-netclient,pqGUI (>= 0.2.0); my ISP 's slow and i can't search on opkg.org. |
| 03:35.08 | jonkristian | o_O |
| 03:40.30 | naquan | sorry |
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| 03:53.15 | naquan | is there a site i can download packages directly? http://www.opkg.org/packages/ does not have the python-pygame package |
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| 04:02.43 | slaxxer | get 20091122 full it has a file manager |
| 04:03.27 | naquan | slaxxer: thank you |
| 04:03.58 | naquan | slaxxer: i'm off for lunch now |
| 04:04.24 | naquan | slaxxer: i'll try it later |
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| 07:18.44 | gonzoism | i need help |
| 07:19.38 | gonzoism | in conf/local-builds.inc do i change everything that says, libframeworkd-phonegui-efl to "sox" ? |
| 07:20.10 | gonzoism | and what about the file:/// part ? should that point to the original source ? |
| 07:20.26 | gonzoism | if i were building sox. |
| 07:29.04 | gonzoism | it doesn't seem very clear. maybe it is just me because i'm not familiar with this. |
| 07:32.12 | gonzoism | i'm also wondering if you can just make multiple entries for multiple packages. |
| 07:33.24 | gonzoism | anyone, please ? |
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| 07:49.37 | KenYoung | Hi raster, still no word from Amazon. |
| 07:52.15 | raster | KenYoung: yo yo |
| 07:52.19 | raster | no hurry\ |
| 07:52.57 | raster | i'm now 5000+ miles away from home |
| 07:58.27 | gonzoism | i understand what the manual says, but don't understand what the local-builds.inc file is wanting to know, specifically. i would just start inserting stuff, and backed up the dir to do so, but don't know what to throw in there to test. |
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| 09:34.47 | PBeck | hi |
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| 09:44.18 | PBeck | hi beer__ |
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| 10:10.00 | naquan | hi everybody, could you please tell me the difference between testing and unstable version of SHR? which one should i choose if i'm new to freerunner? |
| 10:12.35 | PaulFertser | naquan: either "old" unstable or the "new" unstable |
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| 10:12.45 | PaulFertser | naquan: old being september-something. |
| 10:12.49 | PaulFertser | naquan: new being current. |
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| 10:18.23 | naquan | PaulFertser: is newest one the best or i should try difference version to find out? |
| 10:18.56 | PaulFertser | naquan: probably you want to read recent posts on the shr ML. |
| 10:19.27 | naquan | PaulFertser: where can i find the ML? |
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| 10:25.12 | PaulFertser | naquan: shr-project.org |
| 10:25.40 | dns53 | so the shr is frozen to make testing? |
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| 10:27.20 | naquan | PaulFertser: thank you, i found it |
| 10:27.29 | PaulFertser | naquan: great :) |
| 10:29.38 | Heinervdm | dns53: unstable won't freeze again, spaetz will do a new branche for shr-testing |
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| 10:34.53 | naquan | PaulFertser: I found a thread saying wifi does not work on SHR-unstable, i have the same problem, how can i solve it? |
| 10:35.20 | PaulFertser | naquan: i use wifi manually, the way described at OM wiki on page FSO_Resources |
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| 10:48.09 | naquan | PaulFertser: will there be any problem if i install testing version on Flash and unstable version on uSD? |
| 10:48.22 | PaulFertser | naquan: if you can manage multi-boot, then no. |
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| 11:00.52 | naquan | PaulFertser: thank you for your help, i 'm leaving now, bye. |
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| 13:03.22 | ChristW | I seem to be unable to connect (manually) using WiFi on latest [SHR-u]. Anyone who can help me troubleshoot? |
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| 13:10.56 | PaulFertser | ChristW: what exactly are you doing? |
| 13:11.32 | ChristW | PaulFertser: Made a /etc/wpa_supplicant/ conf file and running wpa_supplicant. |
| 13:11.47 | PaulFertser | ChristW: have you read the FSO_Resources wikipage beforehand? |
| 13:12.25 | ChristW | PaulFertser: I turned 'on' the WiFi antenna in settings. Is that enough for 'now' (just getting it to work). |
| 13:13.03 | PaulFertser | ChristW: probably; you should have iwconfig eth0 show something meaningful then. |
| 13:13.25 | ChristW | eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:"" |
| 13:13.34 | PaulFertser | ChristW: what kernel version are you using btw? |
| 13:13.47 | ChristW | Linux mollie 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Thu Nov 26 10:47:21 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown |
| 13:14.03 | PaulFertser | 26 nov is recent enough, should be ok. |
| 13:14.28 | ChristW | iwconfig eth0 scan gives me the name of the AP I'm interested in. |
| 13:14.39 | ChristW | Uhm, iw_list_... |
| 13:15.03 | PaulFertser | ChristW: i still recommend the fsoraw method since it hard-resets the module on every attempt and that way you get more reliability - the internal module firmware is buggy and the driver is not bug-free either. |
| 13:15.13 | ChristW | ESSID:"WITCH" Mode:Master Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11) |
| 13:15.55 | ChristW | You mean the line on the Wiki with 'fsoraw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplucant? |
| 13:20.04 | PaulFertser | ChristW: yes |
| 13:20.19 | PaulFertser | ChristW: the resource policy should be auto for that to work as expected. |
| 13:21.08 | ChristW | Ok, I copied that line to the FR. I'll reboot to make sure that I have a 'clean' system. I'll check to see if I can find an 'auto' setting in Settings (?). |
| 13:21.32 | ChristW | (I didn't change anything, and I know that Mokonnect automatically turns on eth0 for me...( |
| 13:24.45 | ChristW | Ok, when I run that command, I can see WiFI wurning on the in 'Today' screen. wpa_supplicant first gave me its first 4 ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported errors, and now tells me 'CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS'. |
| 13:26.10 | PaulFertser | ChristW: probably you do not have proper line in wpa_supplicant.conf... |
| 13:26.43 | ChristW | I copied it from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi |
| 13:26.51 | ChristW | There's a sample conf file there. |
| 13:27.54 | ChristW | Does wpa_supplicant do AES encryption? |
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| 13:29.36 | lindi | ChristW: apt-get source wpasupplicant && grep -r AES . finds aes.c |
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| 13:30.27 | ChristW | Ok, so it _should_ work... |
| 13:30.58 | ChristW | I'll set my AP to TKIP, to see if that makes a difference... |
| 13:32.37 | ChristW | Yes, it did make a difference... iwlist wasn't able to see it any more... |
| 13:35.41 | PaulFertser | ChristW: i'd advice to restart the wifi module before every experiment. |
| 13:35.54 | ChristW | My AP downstairs? |
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| 13:36.18 | PaulFertser | ChristW: nope, the module inside the FR |
| 13:36.33 | ChristW | The fsoraw... line takes care of that, doesn't it? |
| 13:38.16 | ChristW | WPA: Key negotiation completed with xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx [PTK=CCMP GTK=CCMP] |
| 13:38.19 | ChristW | Yeehaw. |
| 13:39.01 | PaulFertser | ChristW: it does but only if you do not have the WiFi resource requested by anything else and its policy is "auto". |
| 13:39.28 | ChristW | No, I was just experimenting... so there was nothing else interfering. |
| 13:39.52 | ChristW | Ok, link is up now... eth0 inet addr:192.168.62.101 |
| 13:41.07 | PaulFertser | When you use the recommended method and the resource is not requested by anything iwlist should say that eth0 doesn't exist. |
| 13:43.18 | ChristW | I Ctrl-C'd the (manually run) connect script, and iwconfig doesn't list eth0 at all... |
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| 15:47.11 | UberNeo | lindi, can u help me with Debian on Neo |
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| 16:11.10 | lindi | UberNeo: maybe |
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| 16:11.30 | UberNeo | lindi |
| 16:11.54 | UberNeo | actually yesterday i had installed Debian on Neo with that script |
| 16:12.30 | UberNeo | lindi, i m able to boot ..and getting the first screen..but nothing is happening when i am touching the screen |
| 16:12.41 | UberNeo | the screen is unresposive |
| 16:12.45 | lindi | UberNeo: hal? |
| 16:12.58 | UberNeo | whats that |
| 16:13.12 | lindi | UberNeo: "ps axuf | grep hal"? |
| 16:13.46 | UberNeo | debian-gta02:/usr/share# ps axuf | grep hal |
| 16:13.47 | UberNeo | root 1407 0.0 0.4 1784 572 pts/0 S+ 16:13 0:00 \_ grep hal |
| 16:13.47 | UberNeo | 102 1221 0.3 2.3 6356 2856 ? Ss 15:42 0:06 /usr/sbin/hald |
| 16:13.47 | UberNeo | root 1222 0.0 0.9 3468 1128 ? S 15:42 0:00 \_ hald-runner |
| 16:13.47 | UberNeo | root 1227 0.0 0.8 3560 1052 ? S 15:42 0:00 \_ /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-generic-backlight |
| 16:13.48 | UberNeo | root 1229 0.0 0.9 3564 1108 ? S 15:42 0:00 \_ hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event1 /dev/input/event0 /dev/input/event4 |
| 16:13.51 | UberNeo | root 1232 0.0 0.8 3560 1084 ? S 15:42 0:00 \_ /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-rfkill-killswitch |
| 16:13.56 | lindi | UberNeo: paste.debian.net please |
| 16:14.04 | UberNeo | ok |
| 16:14.05 | lindi | UberNeo: and then xorg.conf? |
| 16:14.23 | UberNeo | where do i find this xorg.conf |
| 16:15.10 | UberNeo | http://pastebin.com/m59c09e4e |
| 16:16.31 | lindi | UberNeo: do you know how to search for files? |
| 16:17.09 | UberNeo | ya but it will take time ..if i gv find command to start from ~ |
| 16:17.51 | lindi | UberNeo: well it's in /etc |
| 16:18.00 | lindi | UberNeo: all global configuration files are there |
| 16:18.11 | lindi | UberNeo: takes on 36 seconds to search for whole / btw |
| 16:18.16 | lindi | s/on/only/ |
| 16:18.25 | lindi | and 0.3 seconds to search /etc |
| 16:18.31 | UberNeo | ohh |
| 16:18.33 | UberNeo | :( |
| 16:19.15 | UberNeo | xorg.conf is not there in /etc directory |
| 16:19.23 | lindi | UberNeo: it's under /etc |
| 16:19.28 | lindi | UberNeo: find /etc -name xorg.conf |
| 16:19.51 | UberNeo | ohh ..its under X11 |
| 16:19.53 | UberNeo | got it |
| 16:20.49 | UberNeo | http://pastebin.com/m5f321ec5 my xorf.conf file contents |
| 16:20.54 | UberNeo | xorg.conf |
| 16:21.21 | lindi | UberNeo: yeah, now you should study what hal is first :) |
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| 16:28.24 | UberNeo | lindi, i have changed the /etc/X11/xorg.conf by adding one line as |
| 16:28.26 | UberNeo | Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1" |
| 16:28.54 | UberNeo | lindi, now how do i restart X11 |
| 16:30.51 | lindi | UberNeo: why did you add that line? |
| 16:31.10 | UberNeo | as per the post .. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517307 |
| 16:32.10 | lindi | UberNeo: if you use hal you shouldn't specify the whole input device at all |
| 16:32.18 | lindi | UberNeo: do you already know what hal is? ;) |
| 16:32.31 | UberNeo | no not at all :( |
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| 16:33.35 | lindi | UberNeo: i don't understand it fully either. but it tells X automatically about hardware devices |
| 16:33.39 | lindi | UberNeo: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal |
| 16:33.50 | lindi | UberNeo: so it tells your X that you have touchscreen |
| 16:34.06 | lindi | UberNeo: and apparently if you also specify it manually it doesn't work |
| 16:34.38 | UberNeo | lindi, so do i need to change the conf file for hal |
| 16:34.48 | lindi | UberNeo: either that or don't use hal |
| 16:34.51 | lindi | i don't use hal :) |
| 16:35.09 | UberNeo | then i do i make my tochscreen work |
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| 16:38.20 | lindi | UberNeo: well remove the device section from xorg.conf? |
| 16:39.25 | UberNeo | u mean Section "Device" |
| 16:39.25 | UberNeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.25 | UberNeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.25 | UberNeo | EndSection |
| 16:40.07 | lindi | UberNeo: the one about touschreen |
| 16:40.26 | lindi | UberNeo: InputDevice |
| 16:40.48 | UberNeo | the whole inputdevice section |
| 16:40.58 | lindi | yep |
| 16:41.28 | UberNeo | removed |
| 16:41.46 | UberNeo | do i need to restart xserver |
| 16:42.50 | lindi | UberNeo: you do |
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| 16:51.37 | UberNeo | lindi, i have restarted the Neo itself ..even after that screen is unresponsive |
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| 17:07.23 | Fox_Muldr | is http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=summary the actual used qi git repo and if so is qi considered bug free because there ia no more development made in the last months? |
| 17:10.13 | lindi | UberNeo: odd |
| 17:13.02 | UberNeo | lindi, now i am even unable to ssh into Neo |
| 17:13.33 | UberNeo | may be dropbear doesnt got started on Neo |
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| 17:18.36 | lindi | UberNeo: try unplugging usb |
| 17:18.50 | UberNeo | tried everything ..nothing works |
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| 18:38.47 | azaghal | Is Neo Freerunner able to utilise class 6 MicroSDHC to its fullest? |
| 18:39.16 | lindi | azaghal: the specifications are probably only available under NDA |
| 18:39.33 | azaghal | Well, I was more relating to practical experiences. |
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| 18:44.16 | azaghal | I.e. what was the maximum speed people managed to get out of it. |
| 18:51.47 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5720 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0038.txt ecn0043.txt): |
| 18:51.47 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - ECN0038: added review tag |
| 18:51.47 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - ECN0043: new ECN for assorted audio cleanup |
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| 19:46.42 | PaulFertser | azaghal: practically, no |
| 19:46.57 | PaulFertser | azaghal: because SD cards are going through the very slow glamo bus :( |
| 19:47.05 | azaghal | Ah... |
| 19:47.14 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: yes |
| 19:47.18 | azaghal | No idea how much bandwidth that is? |
| 19:47.44 | azaghal | And excuse me for my ignorance, but is there some other bus which could be used (in light of that NDA thing), or...? |
| 19:47.51 | azaghal | is not a hardware guy |
| 19:48.09 | PaulFertser | Fox_Muldr: Qi is not bugfree. There's issue with loading external initramfs (that is not enabled in the sources anyway) and there's issue that Qi doesn't boot from nand on my gta01 ;) |
| 19:48.42 | PaulFertser | azaghal: i think there're some bandwidth numbers but i do not remember exactly. larsc should know that. And no, there's no other bus to use. |
| 19:53.43 | Weiss | theoretically you could take out the WLAN card and squeeze an SD card in there? |
| 19:54.05 | PaulFertser | Weiss: sure |
| 19:54.17 | PaulFertser | Weiss: but azaghal just said he's not a hardware guy :) |
| 19:54.23 | Weiss | ah :) |
| 19:55.06 | Weiss | I'd really love to see someone do either (a) faster SD card via WLAN slot, or (b) SDIO camera on Glamo bus |
| 19:55.44 | PaulFertser | Weiss: but (a) seems trivial, why would you like to see that? |
| 19:56.14 | Weiss | just because it'd be a whole new world of hackability which people so far haven't really been doing |
| 19:57.35 | PaulFertser | Weiss: what you're doing with KMS and stuff is in fact a whole new world. Fitting a small pcb with corresponding connector and a fast card is not i'd say. |
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| 19:58.36 | Weiss | there's still a wonderful piece of black magic I want to do to play video from SD without the Glamo bus limitation |
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| 19:59.07 | fredrin | what will be better with the new kernel and kms ? |
| 19:59.07 | fredrin | Weiss: :D |
| 20:00.05 | Weiss | (the "black magic" consists of telling Glamo to read from the SD card into its own memory, then put that memory straight into the MPEG engine) |
| 20:00.37 | PaulFertser | Weiss: that sounds like a very cool trick |
| 20:00.45 | fredrin | nice |
| 20:02.41 | PaulFertser | Weiss: i'm not sure how it can fit the existing video acceleration infrastructure though. You can probably do it ad-hoc way just to prove its possible but a clean implementation might be too tricky to be practical i'm afraid. |
| 20:04.45 | Weiss | yeah.. it doesn't fit in anywhere. it'd be icky and horrible.. but cool :D |
| 20:05.14 | Weiss | thing is, my perception is that this kind of thing is actually what you're *meant* to do with this chip.. or with such devices in general |
| 20:05.35 | Weiss | i.e. cheat, cheat again then cheat some more |
| 20:06.56 | azaghal | I actually want to buy another card for testing something. |
| 20:07.09 | azaghal | (trying to install Debian under qemu-arm, then boot it on Neo) |
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| 20:20.19 | SpeedEvil | Weiss: the only thing that would be more cool would be uploading a blocklist, and then putting the CPU to sleep. |
| 20:20.31 | SpeedEvil | Weiss: but - as it can't do audio too - that's a bit annoying. |
| 20:25.22 | UberNeo | any light weight software for waching images like jpeg,png on linux devices |
| 20:27.30 | Weiss | SpeedEvil: yeah.. I was thinking of either something like that, or a separate partition/dedicated SD card for the purpose |
| 20:27.59 | Weiss | since we can't start handling filesystems in Glamo... unless we wanted to try something REALLY sick.. |
| 20:36.13 | [Rui] | UberNeo: neon is nice for viewing images. |
| 20:39.40 | dos11 | Weiss: handling filesystems in glamo? great idea! |
| 20:40.11 | UberNeo | [Rui], thanx |
| 20:40.57 | dos11 | maybe we should send sms and do phone calls with glamo? ;) |
| 20:41.03 | Weiss | dos11: :) |
| 20:41.14 | Weiss | combinatorial logic using the blitter? :D |
| 20:42.53 | dos11 | how about recieving TV signal using glamo? |
| 20:43.19 | Weiss | now, that there *is* an input for.. |
| 20:43.25 | Weiss | I think.. |
| 20:43.28 | dos11 | ;D |
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| 21:01.27 | max_posedon | I'm sorry, but, which video formats can accel glamo? |
| 21:02.04 | gena2x | And someone tested video playing with Thomas patches? |
| 21:03.00 | gena2x | I've tried fifo patch, but got hung with mplayer glamo |
| 21:03.46 | gena2x | fifo agains andy-tracking. |
| 21:04.01 | PaulFertser | gena2x: the latest andy-tracking includes the fifo patch already |
| 21:04.19 | PaulFertser | gena2x: and mplayer glamo shouldn't work in general, it was always a dirty hack |
| 21:04.34 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Someone tried with KMS? |
| 21:04.50 | gena2x | PaulFertser: what was the main question :) |
| 21:05.08 | PaulFertser | gena2x: trying with KMS needs rewriting mplayer plugin |
| 21:05.12 | Martix | gena2x: which patches? except KMS |
| 21:05.36 | gena2x | Martix: I mean KMS. |
| 21:05.45 | gena2x | PaulFertser: :( |
| 21:06.16 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i do not understand the desire to watch videos on FR anyway... |
| 21:07.01 | Martix | YouTube? |
| 21:07.04 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Why not? Sometimes while you travelling or just moving to work, you have much time. |
| 21:07.23 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i'm waiting for good arm-based netbooks to finally hit the market. |
| 21:07.26 | gena2x | PaulFertser: You may use it to watch some video, why not? |
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| 21:07.39 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Yes. Me too. |
| 21:07.51 | Martix | PaulFertser: it is Touchbook :-) |
| 21:08.09 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Most annoying is big corners. |
| 21:08.23 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I mean borders |
| 21:08.33 | PaulFertser | Martix: i'm not sure it's competitive with good atom-based netbooks :( |
| 21:08.40 | PaulFertser | gena2x: yeah... |
| 21:08.50 | gena2x | PaulFertser: around screen. |
| 21:09.15 | gena2x | PaulFertser: They all are produced now as 'cheap replacement' I guess. |
| 21:09.47 | gena2x | PaulFertser: cortex A9 will be nice... |
| 21:10.05 | Martix | Touchbook can play 720p video and have long battery life, 10-15 hours |
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| 21:12.12 | gena2x | PaulFertser: paul, as far is I can recall you kernel dev? |
| 21:12.58 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i'm just fooling around but yes, i did some little kernel work |
| 21:13.46 | gena2x | PaulFertser: In openmoko-cdevel I chatted a bit about DEBUG options in .config. Can you take a look? |
| 21:15.26 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I just never did any public work and unsure how to proceed... |
| 21:16.33 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Especially with kernel. |
| 21:17.35 | PaulFertser | gena2x: do you mean you want to disable CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK and CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK_SLEEP? |
| 21:18.05 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Yes, and will it be approprite to disable all other *DEBUG? |
| 21:18.31 | PaulFertser | gena2x: not all, getting useful oops messages seems to me really nice. |
| 21:20.16 | PaulFertser | gena2x: did you already try it, is there any measurable benefit? |
| 21:20.22 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Yes. |
| 21:21.09 | gena2x | gena2x: I tried, but m/b i messed something, I'll try it again agaist latest andy-tracking. |
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| 21:21.32 | PaulFertser | gena2x: it'd be nice if you provide a testcase to measure the performance. |
| 21:21.34 | gena2x | PaulFertser: s/messed/missed/ |
| 21:22.02 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Do you have an idea which kind of testcase? |
| 21:22.47 | PaulFertser | gena2x: no :) |
| 21:23.27 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I just 100% sure than after upgrading from my compiled kernel to latest shr (based on andy-tracking) I noticed noticeable slowdown. |
| 21:24.27 | gena2x | PaulFertser: mine kernel was only fifo + disable debug. latest shr is fifo + accel fix. |
| 21:25.53 | PaulFertser | gena2x: quite possibly you've noticed an important detail, yes. |
| 21:28.32 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I can't notice anything about oopses in 'kernel hacking'. |
| 21:30.10 | gena2x | PaulFertser: and CONFIG_PREEMPT... |
| 21:30.45 | PaulFertser | gena2x: when you get oops, you get a backtrace. |
| 21:31.08 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I've heard symbols stripped anyway. |
| 21:32.56 | gena2x | PaulFertser: so STACKTRACE_SUPPORT should remain. |
| 21:34.05 | gena2x | PaulFertser: ok this need further investigation... |
| 21:34.39 | PaulFertser | gena2x: but thank you anyway for worrying about it. We'll be happy to improve the config when you get some definitive results. |
| 21:35.23 | PaulFertser | gena2x: do you know russian by any chance? |
| 21:35.33 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Ok, so then I'll find faster config, what should I do? Post it to openmoko-kernel? |
| 21:35.44 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Sure, as I'm Russian. |
| 21:35.58 | PaulFertser | With big R, lol :) |
| 21:36.28 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I think country names are written from big one ;) |
| 21:36.40 | PaulFertser | gena2x: yes, the kernel ML is the most appropriate, it will allow us to keep the message and not forget about it. |
| 21:37.38 | gena2x | PaulFertser: So England or Gernany will start from big one. Any problem with that? |
| 21:37.45 | PaulFertser | gena2x: have you got buzz fix already? |
| 21:38.09 | gena2x | PaulFertser: 50%. I did that by mine own hands. |
| 21:38.21 | PaulFertser | gena2x: Russia is the name of the country, "russian" is an adjective i think. |
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| 21:38.59 | PaulFertser | gena2x: need any assintance with #1024 fix? |
| 21:39.01 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I fixed it, but that were a bit ugly, as I'm never soldered small parts before. |
| 21:39.31 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I wrote about that in community ml. |
| 21:39.54 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i've forgotten about it by now :) but i'm glad it works. |
| 21:39.58 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Thanks, my English is full of blanks :) |
| 21:40.22 | PaulFertser | Same here :/ |
| 21:40.52 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I spoke about buzzfix |
| 21:41.12 | gena2x | PaulFertser: #1024 is not so important, so I can live with it. |
| 21:41.50 | PaulFertser | gena2x: #1024 is easy and nice to have. |
| 21:42.02 | gena2x | PaulFertser: After my buzzfix I got LCD problems. |
| 21:42.57 | PaulFertser | gena2x: now i think i remember some message about it... |
| 21:43.23 | gena2x | PaulFertser: in lower 1/5 of screen it is... curved? |
| 21:43.49 | gena2x | PaulFertser: But that were 5th capacitor, so I don't want to touch it anymore :) |
| 21:44.46 | gena2x | PaulFertser: And will think triple before trying #1024 |
| 21:44.49 | PaulFertser | gena2x: scary... You should have practiced a bit on some less valuable board. |
| 21:45.08 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I practiced in fact. |
| 21:45.23 | gena2x | PaulFertser: On old video card. |
| 21:45.32 | gena2x | PaulFertser: and floppy drive. |
| 21:46.50 | gena2x | PaulFertser: In fact, I have people at work who can do job, just thought - so why I bought FR? |
| 21:46.51 | PaulFertser | gena2x: oh... I did 2 buzzfixes myself and i had no problems desoldering that 0R. |
| 21:49.10 | Weiss | hmm |
| 21:49.24 | gena2x | PaulFertser: I didn't desolder. |
| 21:49.31 | Weiss | needs to factor in a couple of weeks without FR in the new year so he can get buzz and #1024 fixes done |
| 21:50.18 | PaulFertser | Weiss: can't you do that at the local CCC meating? |
| 21:51.13 | PaulFertser | meeting |
| 21:51.14 | PaulFertser | :))) |
| 21:51.30 | gena2x | :) |
| 21:51.30 | Weiss | hmm.. I don't know if any of the CCCHH people can do that kind of soldering.. |
| 21:51.42 | Weiss | (I can solder a bit, but no chance of doing even buzz fix) |
| 21:52.41 | PaulFertser | Weiss: or probably somebody at the lab you work for can do that. It's a 10-min job. |
| 21:52.57 | Weiss | maybe |
| 21:53.23 | Weiss | they tend to be REALLY busy though... it's enough trouble getting vitally important bits of our experiment built :S |
| 21:53.33 | Weiss | maybe if I schmoozed the right people though.. |
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| 21:56.29 | PaulFertser | I'm not really experienced in soldering but really, buzzfix _is_ in fact easy. |
| 21:57.16 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Yes. But need some tools. |
| 21:57.17 | PaulFertser | I even got pics proving that it's possible with a "huge" soldering iron. |
| 21:58.27 | PaulFertser | I did it on my device, desoldered a wire connecting the big cap to the R and then soldered it back: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/useless_buzzfix/ |
| 21:59.36 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Mine result is very scary: http://www.bsdmn.com/moko/touchproblem.tif |
| 22:00.13 | gena2x | PaulFertser: But it works. |
| 22:02.02 | gena2x | PaulFertser: In fact at the time of fix I were unable to ask anyone to do it. And It's unclean how to send it. |
| 22:02.27 | PaulFertser | gena2x: you could have sent it to me by snail mail. |
| 22:03.13 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Thanks. |
| 22:03.53 | gena2x | PaulFertser: But also I am using it as baily phone. |
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| 22:04.01 | gena2x | PaulFertser: daily :) |
| 22:05.25 | PaulFertser | gena2x: guys on the streets here told me they can do the fix for ~1000 rubles, you could have asked one of those if you were desperate :) |
| 22:06.03 | h4v | tak |
| 22:06.15 | gena2x | PaulFertser: So, I'll post back to openmoko-kernel as soon as I'll found way to understand all this options influence. |
| 22:06.25 | h4v | wrong window, sorry |
| 22:06.49 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Where you located? |
| 22:07.36 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Sure it's possible to find out someone here. But finally, this is part of fun. |
| 22:07.37 | PaulFertser | gena2x: moscow |
| 22:07.59 | gena2x | PaulFertser: :) |
| 22:08.14 | gena2x | PaulFertser: nice. so you know Russian? |
| 22:08.21 | PaulFertser | gena2x: i'm native |
| 22:08.32 | PaulFertser | Born here, live here |
| 22:08.37 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Unusual surname. |
| 22:08.50 | PaulFertser | Some german-jew origins i assume |
| 22:08.59 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Nice, nice :) |
| 22:09.48 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Can I sometimes relay on you for some help with FR? |
| 22:09.54 | PaulFertser | gena2x: sure |
| 22:10.01 | PaulFertser | rely |
| 22:10.15 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Thanks. |
| 22:10.47 | gena2x | PaulFertser: You told #1024 :) |
| 22:11.01 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Any buzz-fix party in Moscow? |
| 22:11.13 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Or #1024 fix? |
| 22:11.28 | PaulFertser | gena2x: nope, just meet me and i'll do that at home |
| 22:11.59 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Ok, I'am in Saint-Petersburg. |
| 22:12.04 | PaulFertser | Hehe, |
| 22:12.18 | PaulFertser | Not that far away. |
| 22:12.27 | gena2x | PaulFertser: perhaps, I'll go for business trip :) |
| 22:12.40 | gena2x | say Yes. |
| 22:13.26 | gena2x | PaulFertser: In fact, nowhere to hurry with 1024 |
| 22:14.16 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Ð ÑпаÑибо еÑÑ Ñаз за пÑедложение. |
| 22:14.24 | PaulFertser | gena2x: Ðе за ÑÑо :) |
| 22:15.09 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: what's the port on freenode to read unicode? |
| 22:15.21 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: any? ;) |
| 22:15.37 | gena2x | Q-Master: x-chat works fine here |
| 22:15.40 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: my client just converts unicode to the local charset. |
| 22:15.41 | Q-Master | I don't see uni |
| 22:16.08 | max_posedon | Q-Master, may be fonts problem? |
| 22:16.11 | gena2x | I have unicode locale |
| 22:16.12 | Q-Master | nop |
| 22:16.26 | Q-Master | seems that settings are wrong |
| 22:16.27 | max_posedon | or you didn't connected with utf-8 charset |
| 22:16.29 | Q-Master | reconnecting |
| 22:16.39 | gena2x | and I think I didn't setup anything specially for unicode. |
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| 22:17.19 | Q-Master | try me |
| 22:17.19 | gena2x | But my /home was created back in ... 2000 so m/b some setting are from where :) |
| 22:17.36 | gena2x | Try: ÐÑовеÑка |
| 22:17.46 | Q-Master | thnx |
| 22:17.53 | Q-Master | everything is ok |
| 22:18.04 | gena2x | Are you from Russia too? |
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| 22:18.16 | Q-Master | yep |
| 22:18.27 | gena2x | From where? |
| 22:18.46 | Q-Master | Ivanovo. ~300km from Moscow |
| 22:18.53 | gena2x | Nice, we have 3 russian OM fellows :) |
| 22:19.07 | Q-Master | 4. 8) |
| 22:19.07 | max_posedon | more, defenetly more |
| 22:19.17 | Q-Master | to bed |
| 22:19.21 | Q-Master | g'night |
| 22:19.24 | gena2x | bb |
| 22:20.27 | gena2x | PaulFertser: ÐообÑе непонÑÑно кого пинаÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾ Ð¿Ð¾Ð²Ð¾Ð´Ñ ÐºÐ¾Ð½Ñигов в SHR. |
| 22:20.54 | PaulFertser | gena2x: of what? |
| 22:21.03 | gena2x | PaulFertser: ЯдÑа. |
| 22:21.38 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: o/ |
| 22:21.39 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Which mind can decide should be PREEMT ON or OFF for example |
| 22:22.00 | PaulFertser | gena2x: for andy-tracking that would be me :| for the .31 that would be larsc. |
| 22:22.15 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Very nice! |
| 22:22.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: know anything bout CIA-53? |
| 22:22.39 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: hey :D not a bit ;) |
| 22:23.18 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Ok, I'm off until next week or two I think - very tought shedule at work... |
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| 22:24.15 | *** mode/#openmoko [+b *!*n=CIA@208.69.182.*] by DocScrutinizer-8 |
| 22:24.16 | *** kick/#openmoko [CIA-54!n=jr-N810@200.194.116.85.dsl.manitu.net] by DocScrutinizer-8 (DocScrutinizer-8) |
| 22:24.51 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: But why? :) |
| 22:25.01 | gena2x | PaulFertser: Will try to find out some hours to test all that configs in some reliable way. |
| 22:25.04 | *** mode/#openmoko [-o DocScrutinizer-8] by ChanServ |
| 22:25.14 | PaulFertser | gena2x: good luck with the work. And see you later :) |
| 22:25.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | commit-msgs are not suited for #openmoko |
| 22:25.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | especially gta02-core |
| 22:29.38 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: i think i liked those |
| 22:33.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: then find out how to redirect them to #openmoko-cdevel. That's where they belong at |
| 22:33.26 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: ok, np |
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| 22:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | PREEMPT OFF? wtf? |
| 22:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | cooperative multitasking like in win3.1? |
| 22:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | or what |
| 22:44.35 | max_posedon | its about kernel preemption |
| 22:44.49 | max_posedon | about can or can't one interrupt suspend other |
| 22:45.01 | DocScrutinizer | kernel kernel preempt? |
| 22:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 22:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | thought you might kick the scheduler this way |
| 22:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | which most probably wouldn't pan out right away |
| 22:48.44 | [Rui] | urck filled up my disk again |
| 22:48.53 | [Rui] | gotta do this another way :) |
| 22:51.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | what's urck :-D ?? |
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| 23:08.53 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: weird throat noise of disgust? |
| 23:09.03 | [Rui] | *g* |
| 23:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:11.53 | [Rui] | I'm moving the downloads into another partition, but I'm considering getting an external disk for this |
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| 23:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | reminds me to plug my usb-disc and do a backup. High time |
| 23:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | also my / is crowded like hell, and /home completely beyond state of burstng :-S |
| 23:29.22 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: I bought a netgear raid-1 NAS for that. |
| 23:29.34 | [Rui] | would've bought a raid5 one if I could afford it |
| 23:29.49 | [Rui] | but NAS+disks... ouchie... |
| 23:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | you bet that'd be preferable |
| 23:30.10 | [Rui] | yes, less waste of disk |
| 23:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | raid0/1 is abut worst bang for the price you can get |
| 23:31.03 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: NAS+2 disks in raid1 is MUCH cheaper than NAS+4 disks in RAID1 |
| 23:31.05 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: NAS+2 disks in raid1 is MUCH cheaper than NAS+4 disks in RAID5 |
| 23:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | duh, why? |
| 23:31.50 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: it isn't in relative pricing, but in absolute pricing it is |
| 23:32.12 | [Rui] | NAS that can make raid5 is much more expensive, and you have to buy the double of the disks |
| 23:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think the diff is you need 2 disk for 120 buck both, and of course a case to house the 4 disks |
| 23:32.50 | [Rui] | so price / MB => better in raid5, but price overall is better |
| 23:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | s/is bett/is high/ |
| 23:33.23 | [Rui] | or I get a small and very silent Linux box that does it :) |
| 23:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | might do as well. basically NAS isn't anything different usually |
| 23:34.07 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: NAS with 4 disk bay were (at best when I searched, about 75% more expensive |
| 23:34.15 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: the problem is hardware cost |
| 23:34.35 | [Rui] | just today I bought a 1TB disk for 80⬠|
| 23:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, the controller needs 4 IF |
| 23:35.07 | [Rui] | at that price it's 320⬠just for disks alone, plus about 400 for the NAS |
| 23:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | might get me one of those critters for Xmas |
| 23:35.25 | [Rui] | that's around 700â¬! |
| 23:35.49 | [Rui] | I spent 380⬠+- |
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| 23:36.02 | [Rui] | perhaps less |
| 23:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | nah, a 250GB is <50⬠|
| 23:36.34 | DocScrutinizer | so 1TB by 4 is 200 |
| 23:36.57 | [Rui] | why on earth would I get a RAID5 1TB with 4 bays? |
| 23:37.11 | [Rui] | I want to do *backups* and *archives* :) |
| 23:37.22 | DocScrutinizer | this leaves 180 for a cheap mainboard with 4 SATA and a GB-ether |
| 23:37.48 | [Rui] | for the time being that means a somewhat periodic backup and a few shares for archiving photos and music |
| 23:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | kk |
| 23:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how big your raid1 is now |
| 23:39.00 | [Rui] | also a nice little silent black box with two 1TB hot-swappable SATA disks in RAID1 |
| 23:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | ooopsy, a 4 * 250GB isn't 1TB, it's like 750GB |
| 23:40.46 | [Rui] | http://www.readynas.com/?cat=3 |
| 23:42.45 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: one nice thing of this NAS is that it's a Debian box, and they "allow" you to get root. |
| 23:42.58 | [Rui] | quotes are because if you enable root access you void your warranty |
| 23:43.13 | [Rui] | but you can :) |
| 23:43.27 | [Rui] | and you can even ssh into it, apt-get update, etc... |
| 23:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | ""12V, 5A power adapter, localized to country of sale "" |
| 23:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | shouts "gimme a 12V backup bat" ;-) |
| 23:44.22 | [Rui] | DocScrutinizer: I don't follow you, perhaps because I don't have enough of an electrical knowledge? |
| 23:45.21 | [Rui] | you think it's a lot? |
| 23:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | [Rui]: if this device is powered by external 12V, you can easily run it off a car-bar or sth like that, to have a little bit of UPS |
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| 23:45.44 | [Rui] | ah |
| 23:46.14 | [Rui] | as long as it has an usb connection for checking out the UPS's status, that's ok :) |
| 23:49.36 | [Rui] | well, off to bed. gnight! |
| 23:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | prolly want this one then: http://netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASNVPlus/RND4000.aspx?detail=Specifications |
| 23:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it's a whole lot more expensive |
| 23:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | [Rui]: night |
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