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| 03:21.42 | slaxxer | anybody used the debian installer latyly? |
| 03:21.51 | slaxxer | for sdcard |
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| 08:27.39 | skamster | hello all, does someone know, why the sh-build-server is offline? |
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| 09:25.57 | d1b | hi um is shr working ok in the latest image |
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| 12:11.05 | Tanuva | the shr lock screen (is that the one called "today"?) always tells me there are 6 missed calls, but I cannot seem to find a possibility in pyphonelog to mark them as seen... |
| 12:11.05 | Tanuva | any hints? |
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| 13:16.34 | jaj | "# Do not try to install remoko on SHR-unstable at the moment!! " "# It will brake your hole D-Bus System - no phone-stack anymore!! (09/19/2009) " |
| 13:16.39 | jaj | is this still the current state? |
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| 15:18.03 | xxtjaxx | Hi everybody |
| 15:19.04 | xxtjaxx | I'm a complete lamer on the moko just got and did a dump thing I changed the networks settings via ssh the wrong way now I cant connect to it any idea how to reset? |
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| 15:23.14 | xxtjaxx | hello ruoso |
| 15:25.26 | johnsu01 | Would be nice to figure out how to handle these sms that come in every time I call my voicemail |
| 15:25.35 | johnsu01 | the content is always just "129" |
| 15:26.20 | xxtjaxx | johnsu01: Hi i have a problem I cant connect to my moko any help you can give me? |
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| 15:26.59 | johnsu01 | xxtjaxx: what do you mean you changed them the wrong way, and what did you change? |
| 15:26.59 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: i can tell you you should go read the wiki. |
| 15:27.56 | xxtjaxx | i did read the network page but was dumb enough not to remember the ip i gve it |
| 15:29.38 | Tanuva | nmap on the host is your friend |
| 15:29.56 | Tanuva | or the terminal on the neo. simpler. |
| 15:30.17 | xxtjaxx | yeah well unfortunately it didnt come with the terminal |
| 15:30.31 | xxtjaxx | or is there a key combo to do that |
| 15:30.53 | Tanuva | none that I'm aware of |
| 15:31.38 | Tanuva | provided the usb network on the neo isn't down, you could try |
| 15:31.56 | Tanuva | nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 15:31.58 | Tanuva | to find the neo |
| 15:32.09 | Heinervdm | i think it's easier to reflash... |
| 15:32.27 | Tanuva | I guess he has to reflash anyway at some point |
| 15:32.56 | Heinervdm | Tanuva: how is your recipe goining? |
| 15:33.42 | Tanuva | Heinervdm: gtk+ build hangs because of a dash/bash bug, waiting for a new login after changing the default shell |
| 15:34.14 | Heinervdm | Tanuva: go to tmp/work/arm.../gtk+ |
| 15:34.39 | Heinervdm | open configure and look for line containing -version-script |
| 15:34.53 | Heinervdm | and just remove that -version-script |
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| 15:35.46 | Heinervdm | or change shebang of configure script to #!/bin/bash |
| 15:36.10 | xxtjaxx | Tanuva: yeah but when I changed the ip so that it isnt in 192.178.0.* |
| 15:37.19 | Tanuva | xxtjaxx: Do you know what you have running on the neo atm? Maybe it's not bad to reflash a recent shr-u anyway like Heinervdm suggested |
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| 15:38.10 | xxtjaxx | Tanuva: its a qtopia |
| 15:39.14 | Tanuva | so you would reflash that |
| 15:39.20 | xxtjaxx | U-Boot neo1973 Bootloader 1.3.2-mko12 |
| 15:39.31 | xxtjaxx | Build Host Barby |
| 15:39.36 | xxtjaxx | tutorial on wiki? |
| 15:39.46 | Tanuva | Heinervdm: seems to work, thanks :) |
| 15:40.12 | Tanuva | xxtjaxx: yes, look for something like "getting started with your freerunner" |
| 15:40.13 | Heinervdm | Tanuva: i know, i'm having the same problem every time ;) |
| 15:40.18 | Tanuva | :D |
| 15:44.55 | xxtjaxx | shitshitshit I opnly seee my self onnmap |
| 15:50.47 | xxtjaxx | Tanuva: ok on the bottom of teh shippping box i can see DateCode 20090324 and Model GTA02 |
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| 15:52.30 | xxtjaxx | so and what now with that? |
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| 15:55.27 | Tanuva | I don't know, what directions are you following? |
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| 16:02.16 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: if you don't want to learn how to use gnu/linux systems and to read the wiki, FR is not for you i'm afraid. |
| 16:04.58 | xxtjaxx | Its not thats its just that i hadnt muchfood today feel abit beside me and am affraid that I bricked the phone . Which makes me nervous |
| 16:05.29 | Tanuva | you didn't brick it just because of misconfiguring network. a reflash fixes that for sure ;) |
| 16:05.32 | SpeedEvil | You cannot brick the phone without the debug board |
| 16:05.36 | SpeedEvil | It is impossible. |
| 16:05.39 | xxtjaxx | so now Ihope to find some food rest somehow and will then go back to this issue . Besides I actually love GNU/Linux and dont use anything else |
| 16:05.52 | SpeedEvil | (well, impractical unless you reflash the boot sector >1000 times) |
| 16:06.02 | slaxxer | Paul did u recomend to use uboot instead of qi when using debian on sdcard? |
| 16:06.13 | xxtjaxx | also my normal net connection felt a bit squishy the last few days |
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| 16:08.02 | soul9 | re y'all |
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| 16:09.23 | slaxxer | i did the debian installer an i cant boot the sdcard,,,,, |
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| 16:13.03 | soul9 | what would you guys recommend as distro for my Dad? |
| 16:13.05 | soul9 | ⺠|
| 16:13.17 | soul9 | i plan on making him a nice setup and giving him the openmoko |
| 16:13.19 | soul9 | ⺠|
| 16:13.52 | xxtjaxx | I almost said sidux + KDE 4.3 but the moko in the question vanisshed me |
| 16:14.09 | Tanuva | :D |
| 16:14.18 | Tanuva | I wouldn't recommend sidux to users who just want to use it |
| 16:14.31 | xxtjaxx | Sidux? |
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| 16:14.50 | xxtjaxx | Tanuva: are we talking about the same debian based distro? |
| 16:14.56 | Tanuva | xxtjaxx: yes |
| 16:16.16 | xxtjaxx | I think for the general userus userus the opensuse is a good pick everything gui from installer to configurere and mmakes a hell of a hard head for the geek |
| 16:17.17 | Tanuva | you were the one who proposed sidux... |
| 16:17.33 | Tanuva | for beginners I'd say *buntu or suse, yes |
| 16:17.38 | Tanuva | while I prefer debian-roots |
| 16:18.00 | xxtjaxx | Well ok I dont feel that alone anymore |
| 16:19.06 | Tanuva | I had debian on the neo, too, but having zhone and no illume there wasn't that funny |
| 16:19.35 | Tanuva | lags behind development quite a bit |
| 16:20.16 | soul9 | debian/*buntu is teh sux, they ship broken compilers with releases more often than not |
| 16:20.47 | xxtjaxx | bah |
| 16:21.29 | Tanuva | luckily there are no "releases" in debian sid :> |
| 16:21.30 | slaxxer | i guess slackware would be too hard? |
| 16:21.52 | soul9 | this is the openmoko we're taling about right? |
| 16:22.09 | soul9 | yeah, i would like a package manager, i don't have that much time to set it up |
| 16:22.12 | soul9 | ~1 week |
| 16:23.12 | Guest90384 | hallo all |
| 16:23.13 | Guest90384 | :) |
| 16:23.22 | Guest90384 | i succeeded in downclocking openmoko |
| 16:23.50 | Guest90384 | i was just wondering why i keep compiling so huge kernels (>2 mb) |
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| 16:25.07 | xxtjaxx | ok I found the instructions from the getting started guide where they say you need a image.bin and jffs but in the 2008.12 directory there is a tar.gz of the rootfs and jffs2 I think i pick the jffs2 one and the uimage.bin is that right? or is one of the gta02v*.bin needed frombelow README? |
| 16:27.03 | xxtjaxx | Guest90384: why you wanna _down_clock your moko too fast? or is it too hot when normal? |
| 16:28.50 | xxtjaxx | ah ok I have it read the read me |
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| 16:32.07 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: i prefer qi in general unless you have really special requirements. |
| 16:32.07 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03werner * r5671 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0002.txt): - ECN0002: added software impact and promoted to "Discuss" |
| 16:33.03 | PaulFertser | TAsn: ubuntu sucks. They take away good (but not all good) things from debian and add some of their shit to make life "easier" (actually worse). |
| 16:33.32 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: you do not want to flash 2008.x anyway. |
| 16:33.36 | TAsn | PaulFertser, huh? |
| 16:33.37 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: it's old deprecated |
| 16:33.58 | PaulFertser | TAsn: sorry, meant Tanuva but he's left so completion gave you :) |
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| 16:35.30 | xxtjaxx | PaulFertser: I'm first time user/Purchaser of suich a sweeet sweeet device and want to get in contact with it in a good way so as I read that 2009 is unstable I rather pick 2008* or is there a better way? |
| 16:37.02 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: SHR Unstable is the best currently. At least for the first try. |
| 16:37.18 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: 2008.x is completely different software stack (which was always shit btw). |
| 16:38.27 | xxtjaxx | ok I didnt see a link to shr which is why I would like you to tell me |
| 16:38.52 | xxtjaxx | 0oh there hmm "work in progress"+ |
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| 16:40.04 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: unfortunately if you want something stable and solid you're out of luck, freerunner is still WiP. |
| 16:40.13 | slaxxer | thanks Paul an i agree,, if u want ubuntu,,u need debian |
| 16:40.20 | xxtjaxx | ok+ |
| 16:40.24 | slaxxer | lenny |
| 16:40.34 | xxtjaxx | I take SHR it is community driven after all |
| 16:40.44 | slaxxer | very good |
| 16:43.06 | xxtjaxx | uhm modules-2.6.29-oe11 or oe09? Btw 2.6.29 ssheesh thats a hell of a new kernel for a cellphone |
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| 16:44.07 | xxtjaxx | also I picked the full-om-gta02.jffs2 so which is best? |
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| 16:46.47 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: everything is community driven now |
| 16:46.57 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: OM doesn't participate anymore. |
| 16:47.22 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: take full, yes. And the latest kernel from there. |
| 16:50.03 | xxtjaxx | Quite sad that the hardware provider goes to cover the big embedded device marked :'( |
| 16:54.05 | xxtjaxx | I had seen several previews of this good peace of technology some with a grey black orange interfce is that SHR opr the older 2008* OS's? |
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| 16:57.12 | xxtjaxx | can I get a good on moko terminal with SHR? |
| 16:57.43 | xxtjaxx | such that I am actually able to correct things I did with ssh? |
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| 17:02.15 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: sure |
| 17:02.22 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: shr has vala-term and it's good enough. |
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| 17:05.37 | xxtjaxx | PaulFertser: Uhm ValaTerm = Terminal EMulator written in vala or a new not known to me valash using the "vala-scripting"-language? 0.0 |
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| 17:16.42 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: terminal emulator written in vala, yes. |
| 17:18.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03werner * r5672 10/trunk/gta02-core/io.sch: |
| 17:18.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - CONSOLE_RXD and CONSOLE_TXD connect to pins 2 and 3 of the debug connector, |
| 17:18.59 | CIA-44 | openmoko: not 1 and 2. |
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| 17:21.43 | xxtjaxx | thank god |
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| 18:05.02 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:34.28 | xxtjaxx | hiho everybody I'm back and have good news my neo is flashing the current state is Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode while dfu was state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present |
| 18:40.29 | xxtjaxx | i had the thing flashing now the last thing in neotool in the output was "Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode" and the screen is off does that mean i have to reboot it with tap on the start button? |
| 18:42.41 | Heinervdm | xxtjaxx: yes |
| 18:45.13 | xxtjaxx | witg usb pluged in? |
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| 18:47.31 | Heinervdm | xxtjaxx: do as you feel |
| 18:47.43 | xxtjaxx | dammn rthat looks sexy |
| 18:48.38 | xxtjaxx | can I write qt software on it? |
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| 19:02.59 | xxtjaxx | I love the terminal |
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| 19:10.12 | pancake | im trying to flash the SHR distro in my neo1973, but looks like the kernel is bigger than the partition size |
| 19:10.17 | pancake | how can i resolve this issue? |
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| 19:12.54 | PaulFertser | pancake: use uSD |
| 19:13.16 | PaulFertser | pancake: but SHR unstable should fit to NAND anyway, have you tried it? |
| 19:14.18 | pancake | yep but it says that the kernel is bigger than the partition |
| 19:14.27 | pancake | Starting download: [############################################dfu_download error -110 |
| 19:14.59 | pancake | upgrading the bootloader will fix this? |
| 19:15.51 | pancake | the kernel is 2.3MB and the partition is 2MB |
| 19:15.53 | xxtjaxx | Can i use the applicatioons that are advertised on the site of openmoko with SHR? |
| 19:16.56 | andi | anyone knows the mechanical size of C1767? |
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| 19:18.17 | PaulFertser | pancake: the kernel? |
| 19:18.22 | PaulFertser | pancake: you're flashing wrong kernel then |
| 19:18.33 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: on which site? |
| 19:18.42 | PaulFertser | andi: do you know there's full BOM released? |
| 19:18.52 | andi | no |
| 19:19.07 | andi | I'll search the wiki |
| 19:19.14 | xxtjaxx | PaulFertser: the openmoko wiki at the applications page |
| 19:19.21 | PaulFertser | andi: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/BOM/ |
| 19:19.52 | andi | big thanks |
| 19:20.00 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: good application writes submit recipies to the SHR team and the apps get integrated there. So, some apps are indeed available. |
| 19:20.28 | PaulFertser | andi: you know whom to thank for the BOM and it's not me ;) |
| 19:20.40 | andi | the Doc |
| 19:20.48 | pancake | PaulFertser: its uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr9a690f4a8733bbeeba62ff28ae38ff7f869e4b05-r4-om-gta01.bin the testing for gta01 (neo1973) |
| 19:20.53 | pancake | and this is 2.3MB |
| 19:21.07 | PaulFertser | pancake: do not use testing, use SHR unstable. |
| 19:21.35 | pancake | ok |
| 19:21.45 | pancake | testing word looks more safe than unstable :) |
| 19:23.11 | PaulFertser | pancake: it's not actually |
| 19:23.34 | PaulFertser | pancake: "SHR testing is unsupported, but unstable is? And the latter even more stable than testing? You SHR folks are strange..." |
| 19:23.55 | pancake | hehe |
| 19:23.59 | pancake | good to know |
| 19:26.05 | PaulFertser | pancake: there's probably still some gotcha: gsm works only after fully cold boot (after replugging the battery). It'd be nice if you tested but i'm afraid it wasn't fixed yet. |
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| 19:26.43 | pancake | ok i will try |
| 19:26.48 | pancake | its not my main phone |
| 19:27.37 | PaulFertser | pancake: small powersaving hint: fully disable the amp in alsamixer before suspending. I think i'll try to fix it soon but for the moment it's a good workaround. |
| 19:28.18 | PaulFertser | pancake: do not forget to report lowlevel stuff issues to me or to OM trac, component System Software. |
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| 19:29.02 | pancake | ok |
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| 19:35.43 | andi | in the BOM there is no C1767, but at least C1764 is in, so I can see that 1206 should be ok |
| 19:39.25 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03aapo.rantalainen 07vala-terminal * r523f40937c64 10/src/terminal.vala: fixed: can't cast size_t to long |
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| 19:54.09 | xxtjaxx | Ok now that I can log into my device using (1) the shell installed on it and (2) ssh again I have the problem that when i login the device the normal network of mine collapses somehow an eth1 is introducerd and suddenly i cant get into irc or anyting why? |
| 19:57.59 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: probably network manager or some other questionable soft messes your host config |
| 19:58.12 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: eth1 is what is expected when you plug FR to usb, yes. |
| 19:58.28 | PaulFertser | xxtjaxx: to start terminal just press the icon on FR's desktop. |
| 19:59.19 | xxtjaxx | uh shit my settings hung me |
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| 20:03.43 | xxtjaxx | dang couldnt resolve host name |
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| 20:14.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: it's not exactly "messing" when a device (FR) is plugged that claims it's a networking device |
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| 20:15.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: yes but nm shouldn't disrupt eth0 normal communication anyway. |
| 20:18.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: I gues that's a question of setup. My suse11.1 doesn't tear down old network when enabling a new one like wifi or FR |
| 20:19.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | prev version did though |
| 20:20.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | not sure if that's been me who changed the config, or it's default now |
| 20:26.03 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: ok. I'm not sure i hoped i gave the poor fella a good enough hint. I just don't understand how to properly answer all that questions. |
| 20:27.31 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: it's been you who suggested to remove all hints regarding network from wiki, and rather recommend everybody learns how to admin his network ;-) |
| 20:28.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | anyway, time for brunch |
| 20:28.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | cya |
| 20:28.54 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: yep, it was me. But i'm still unsure if it'd be a correct way. |
| 20:29.06 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: and anyway nobody's removed all those stupid recipies. |
| 20:29.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: enjoy your meal :) |
| 20:29.26 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ack, & thanks |
| 20:29.27 | SpeedEvil | The simple solution is to say 'post your ssh root password, and we'll do it' :) |
| 20:29.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | looool |
| 20:29.43 | DocScrutinizer-8 | rotfl |
| 20:30.03 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: then we'd need to explain in details how the hell to open the port in firewall or DNAT it on his router etc etc. |
| 20:30.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | "but please tweak your router to forward ssh port first" :-P |
| 20:30.45 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: exactly :-D |
| 20:31.10 | andreas_ | how does SHR call the microdisks in /dev/* |
| 20:31.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | mmcblk0pX |
| 20:31.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | or what's microdisks? |
| 20:32.29 | PaulFertser | andreas_: if you mean mtd "partitions" do "cat /proc/mtd" |
| 20:32.45 | andreas_ | o no I mean microsd sorry |
| 20:32.46 | PaulFertser | andreas_: if you mean uSD partitions, that's mmcblk0pX |
| 20:32.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | mmcblk0pX |
| 20:33.06 | PaulFertser | andreas_: and it's obivous from reading dmesg on device btw |
| 20:33.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | btw maxifloppy probably is simple mmcblk0 |
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| 20:34.06 | PaulFertser | Exactly |
| 20:34.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | as it has no p(artitions) - afaik |
| 20:34.29 | PaulFertser | Yep but i'd deprecated this kind of uSD usage. |
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| 20:34.40 | PaulFertser | bla, grammar :-/ |
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| 20:34.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nevertheless a true saying |
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| 20:39.19 | andreas_ | is it to set the usb settings on the FR better Host or device in case of updates? |
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| 21:01.55 | johnsu01 | hm, scroll bar in the sms composition box obscures the rightmost column of text |
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| 21:19.26 | l}ark_Seph | wasup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:08.52 | Undrwater | flite is looking for /dev/dsp, which is no longer there...is there a workaround, or a newer version of flite? |
| 23:10.17 | ndnihil | aoss wrapper |
| 23:17.02 | Undrwater | ndnihil: is that an install? |
| 23:18.08 | ndnihil | huh? |
| 23:18.16 | ndnihil | yes, you have to install it before you use it |
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| 23:24.09 | yo_ | hey there. is it a way to remove the mplayer icon from the desktop on shr? I looked in 7usr/share/applications/ but there's nothing related |
| 23:26.37 | ndnihil | try ~/.local/share/applications/ |
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| 23:28.36 | yo_ | ndnihil you're right, thxs! |
| 23:28.42 | ndnihil | np |
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