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| 00:54.57 | |if3 | bonjour |
| 00:56.12 | |if3 | I have a question, I installed dukenukem on my freerunner (gta02&shr), except when I start it up, it seems like the accelerometers are bonkers. Yet when I play mokomaze, everything works fine :( |
| 00:56.54 | |if3 | I tried reading through the lists via a google list to help me out, but I seem to have no luck. |
| 01:04.26 | playya | the config is wrong |
| 01:04.43 | |if3 | is that all? lol |
| 01:04.53 | playya | you have to edit the start script to setup the accels correctly |
| 01:04.55 | |if3 | if it is, im going to shoot my foot with the first gun I can get my hands on lol |
| 01:05.14 | playya | and the display |
| 01:05.22 | |if3 | I got the display figured out, using xrand |
| 01:05.32 | playya | yes |
| 01:05.53 | |if3 | if you wouldn't mind, which script? the rest I'll be able to figure out on my own |
| 01:05.53 | playya | but afaik you have to echo sth somewhere |
| 01:06.03 | |if3 | cheers eh, fast response, muchos appreciated |
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| 01:06.10 | |if3 | weird |
| 01:06.12 | playya | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.04 | playya | |if3, this should be helpful, too: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs |
| 01:07.06 | |if3 | i made a startup script exactly like that to orient the display |
| 01:07.09 | |if3 | thanks |
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| 01:20.55 | |if3 | hmm, I don't know what it is in the config, i'll join up on the mailling list because im beat |
| 01:34.58 | playya | |if3, i can't fnd mine :( |
| 01:35.09 | playya | hmm. maybe on the old SD card |
| 01:35.12 | |if3 | lol |
| 01:35.17 | |if3 | maybe :D |
| 01:35.23 | |if3 | im trying charles's port |
| 01:35.37 | |if3 | hopefully it works better than using the original, lol |
| 01:38.22 | playya | |if3, http://pastebin.com/f655de0af |
| 01:39.06 | playya | no warrenty |
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| 01:40.32 | |if3 | tyvm :D |
| 01:43.01 | playya | anyone in here who has write access to freesmartphone.org/sources ? |
| 01:44.44 | |if3 | I have a few scripts that I'd love to share for my phone lol |
| 01:44.48 | |if3 | networking shit basically |
| 01:45.50 | |if3 | lol |
| 01:46.45 | |if3 | i worked on a bunch of scripts that I found, and hacked them together so that when i need to ssh on my arch box, it just works, same with when im at my gf's place. lol |
| 01:48.40 | |if3 | girlfriends place, aka on her vista machine |
| 01:50.25 | objorn | is there a difference in amazon's kindle screen and the neo freerunner screen? |
| 01:50.45 | objorn | the kindle doesn't hurt my eyes when reading it for long periods |
| 01:50.47 | ndnihil | kindle uses that "e-ink" stuff no? |
| 01:50.55 | ndnihil | black and white |
| 01:51.02 | objorn | oh, right, aside from that? |
| 01:51.05 | ndnihil | needs no power unless changing state |
| 01:51.11 | ndnihil | aside from that? |
| 01:51.16 | ndnihil | that's a huge difference |
| 01:51.25 | ndnihil | monster of a difference even |
| 01:51.36 | objorn | the kindle needs no power unless changing state? |
| 01:51.46 | ndnihil | if it's that e-ink stuff yes |
| 01:51.49 | objorn | what do you mean by state? |
| 01:52.14 | ndnihil | you instruct the device to make a shape/character/symbol |
| 01:52.26 | ndnihil | and the only power used is to change the display to that symbol |
| 01:52.29 | objorn | oh |
| 01:52.30 | ndnihil | once it's changed |
| 01:52.32 | ndnihil | it stays that way |
| 01:52.35 | ndnihil | without power |
| 01:52.39 | objorn | wow |
| 01:52.59 | ndnihil | a bit like an autodrawing and erasing etch-a-sketch |
| 01:53.37 | ndnihil | it's more like reading ink on paper |
| 01:53.47 | ndnihil | no refresh (which is probably why your eyes like it better) |
| 01:55.04 | ndnihil | I'd imagine the font is a bit larger as well |
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| 01:57.54 | objorn | ndnihil: that's a big help |
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| 02:02.31 | ndnihil | been thinking about getting a kindle |
| 02:02.34 | ndnihil | how do you like it? |
| 02:03.01 | objorn | i just tried it out for a few hours while hanging with a friend who has one, he loves it, i can see why, it was extremely pleasant to read text from |
| 02:03.15 | objorn | while outside and inside |
| 02:03.28 | ndnihil | my main concern is file type compatibility |
| 02:03.34 | ndnihil | but I haven't looked into it much |
| 02:03.40 | objorn | go on/ |
| 02:03.59 | ndnihil | last time I read up on them they weren't even available to the general public |
| 02:04.09 | |if3 | fuck this sucks lol, a whole day with no results :( |
| 02:04.29 | objorn | plans on using the freerunner as an ebook reader among other things |
| 02:04.31 | ndnihil | no results maybe, but did you learn anything? |
| 02:04.42 | objorn | though i might have to try using both an ebook reader and phone |
| 02:04.48 | objorn | phone/everything |
| 02:05.22 | ndnihil | FR screen is a bit too small for a regular use document reader in my opinion |
| 02:07.28 | ndnihil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILiad |
| 02:07.35 | ndnihil | screw the kindle |
| 02:07.40 | ndnihil | that one runs the leenooks! |
| 02:08.45 | ndnihil | Developers and users wishing to create or run third party applications can request shell access from the manufacturer. |
| 02:08.50 | ndnihil | request it from manufacturer? |
| 02:08.57 | ndnihil | that's kinda stupid |
| 02:10.11 | objorn | the iliad has no keypad either |
| 02:10.53 | objorn | http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/amazon-kindle-2-hacked-runs-linux-03-09-2009/ |
| 02:11.00 | ndnihil | its touchscreen |
| 02:11.14 | ndnihil | so software keyboard is entirely possible/likely |
| 02:11.40 | ndnihil | I'd rather support a company that makes a product running linux natively |
| 02:12.01 | ndnihil | ie: openmoko |
| 02:12.01 | objorn | file-formats? http://packratstudios.com/index.php/2008/05/04/how-to-hack-your-amazon-kindle-to-read-all-your-ebooks-and-documents-including-pdf-doc-xls-chm-lit-etc/ |
| 02:12.02 | objorn | right |
| 02:12.33 | objorn | does openmoko release cad files, they are certainly open about what's in the phone |
| 02:13.04 | SpeedEvil | there are cad files |
| 02:13.06 | ndnihil | yes, if I'm not mistaken cad files are available for everything |
| 02:13.43 | ndnihil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Reader_1000 |
| 02:13.47 | ndnihil | that one has a larger screen |
| 02:13.55 | ndnihil | newer version of the iliad |
| 02:17.18 | ndnihil | holycrap |
| 02:17.28 | ndnihil | 859.00USD |
| 02:17.42 | ndnihil | for the DR1000S |
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| 02:37.57 | _sEBAs_ | tem algum brasileiro aqui? |
| 02:38.15 | ndnihil | teclado! |
| 02:38.28 | _sEBAs_ | estou vendendo meu openmoko |
| 02:38.34 | ndnihil | (sorry, that's the only word in portugese I know) |
| 02:38.41 | _sEBAs_ | hehe its ok |
| 02:38.42 | _sEBAs_ | hehe |
| 02:39.02 | ndnihil | pretty sure it means "keyboard" |
| 02:39.14 | _sEBAs_ | yes it does :D |
| 02:39.49 | _sEBAs_ | i was saying that i'm selling my openmoko :P |
| 02:39.56 | ndnihil | ah |
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| 03:11.48 | root_demon | anyone in here using the latest SHR on a FR? |
| 03:12.20 | playya | yes |
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| 05:41.33 | Slaxxer | 090609 shr u without opkg upgrade |
| 05:42.46 | Slaxxer | so the xorg fix that devs are working on right now ,, will that make opendoom work correctly? |
| 05:43.20 | Slaxxer | an duke3d to? |
| 05:43.54 | Slaxxer | i always get what looks like 2 screens |
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| 05:59.33 | playya | Slaxxer, i think you have to play around with the startup script |
| 06:00.01 | playya | this is my old start script: http://pastebin.com/f655de0af |
| 06:00.08 | playya | not test for months |
| 06:05.39 | Slaxxer | thanks |
| 06:05.50 | Slaxxer | what did u change? |
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| 06:13.20 | Slaxxer | so i modify the current script or just run that script? |
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| 11:47.01 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03rask * r5665 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0041.txt): - added ECN0041 (for discussion) "Test points and 0R resistors for camera interface" |
| 11:48.44 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6d666e829bbf 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommand.vala mediators.vala modem.vala): fsogsmd: create AT command factory as generic method for more lightweight syntax |
| 11:48.46 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r68faabc8cb49 10/.gitignore: gitignore: add .vapi |
| 11:48.48 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rae5aff201e71 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (commandqueue.vala mediators.vala): fsogsmd: mediators: create helper function for gathering speaker volume range |
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| 12:54.16 | Cristianpark | Hi all, I want to know if there is a way to change call volume during a call on SHR. I've seen that on OM 2008.12 before so I think if it doesn't exist it can be implemented |
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| 13:16.20 | thegreen4me | does anyone know a good email client for the freerunner? |
| 13:17.11 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: alsamixer |
| 13:17.18 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: or custom python script |
| 13:17.44 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: somebody wrote a program for that too, ask khiraly (Laslo), he was the latest who touched it. |
| 13:17.53 | PaulFertser | thegreen4me: mutt |
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| 13:21.18 | thegreen4me | is mutt int the shr repository, or do I have to look elsewhere? |
| 13:22.26 | Cristianpark | PaulFertser: Thank You, I'll ask Laslo, where can I find him? is registered on the wiki? |
| 13:22.56 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: i guess yes, look at the mailing lists archives, you'll find him. |
| 13:24.20 | Cristianpark | PaulFertser: Thanks, changhing the subject, I've been trying to change the order of the icons in the desktop |
| 13:24.45 | Cristianpark | they're alfabetically ordered, do you know how can I customize that? |
| 13:24.47 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: illume launcher is clumsy and not really functional, that's a long-standing known issue. |
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| 13:25.13 | PaulFertser | Cristianpark: it should respect xdg menus files somewhat probably. But i suggest you try c_c's launcher instead. |
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| 13:41.17 | naeg | where can i find python-phoneutils source tarball? |
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| 13:57.38 | leth | i'm guessing that a blinking aux-button led means something like kernel panic.. |
| 13:58.06 | ndnihil | depends on the dist I'd assume, but yeah, on SHR it blinks when it shits itself |
| 13:58.59 | leth | thats what i guessed.. |
| 13:59.26 | leth | yes i'm using shr |
| 13:59.48 | leth | ah well i needed a reboot anyway.. |
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| 14:40.36 | thegreen4me | does anyone know where i can get jvm for the freerunner? |
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| 14:43.21 | lindi- | thegreen4me: debian ships many |
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| 14:50.46 | thegreen4me | is there jvm on shr? |
| 14:51.17 | beer | has shr developings been slowned down. Once there would be a new image every week. Now I can only find a jffs2-image from the 6th sept |
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| 14:53.40 | thegreen4me | beer, that is a question for #openmoko-cdevel |
| 14:54.00 | beer | k |
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| 14:58.07 | Slaxxer | Hi |
| 14:58.07 | Slaxxer | > i might have already asked this,,, is there a chance that SlackARM |
| 14:58.07 | Slaxxer | > will run on the openmoko freerunner? |
| 14:58.07 | Slaxxer | The Slackware ARM packages user land packages, in the main, will be fine |
| 14:58.07 | Slaxxer | on the system - although perhaps may require some additional tweaking. |
| 14:58.10 | Slaxxer | I think the majority of work would be the installation and resolving all |
| 14:58.12 | Slaxxer | of the requirements and parameters required to boot the system. |
| 14:58.14 | Slaxxer | I have had a brief look through: |
| 14:58.16 | Slaxxer | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 14:58.18 | Slaxxer | If somebody is interested in making an out of box experience, including |
| 14:58.20 | Slaxxer | installation documentation, then let me know. |
| 14:58.26 | Slaxxer | yea |
| 14:58.50 | Slaxxer | that was Stuart Winter |
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| 15:07.25 | Slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 15:07.36 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.20 | Slaxxer | even olde ones here |
| 15:08.23 | Slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/old/?C=M;O=D |
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| 15:33.54 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r3b9babf76ba7 10/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:33.54 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: ousaged: handle org.freesmartphone.Resource errors |
| 15:33.54 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
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| 16:19.02 | johnsu01 | hm, why does my phone suddenly think it's an hour later than it is |
| 16:20.22 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: probably FSO messing your timezone? |
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| 16:22.33 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: yeah, I suppose, wonder what changed |
| 16:23.47 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: check your current timezone first. |
| 16:24.29 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: and take a look at frameworkd log anyway. Either it changed the time or timezone :) |
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| 16:31.01 | zear | hello there, i just upgraded my SHR to the newest unstable version, and i can't ssh to it now |
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| 16:31.15 | zear | my pc detects it as eth2 instead of usb0 now |
| 16:32.08 | PaulFertser | zear: that's expected |
| 16:32.49 | zear | i've been trying to the same things as mentioned on the wiki about usb networking, just replacing usb0 with eth2, but i still can't ssh to my fr |
| 16:33.47 | zear | did the ip address of the freerunner beeing seen in the usb network changed as well? |
| 16:33.56 | PaulFertser | zear: i guess setting up networking properly requires some network adiminstartion skills. I suggest you to read cool manuals at http://netfilter.org |
| 16:34.17 | PaulFertser | zear: SHR still defaults to 192.168.0.202, you can easily see that using terminal on FR itself. |
| 16:34.23 | zear | well, i know nothing about networking, i just followed this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Gentoo |
| 16:34.32 | zear | and it worked great for usb0, but does not for eth2 |
| 16:35.18 | PaulFertser | zear: imho if you want to set up networking, you should understand that. If i had magic powers to convince people i'd remove _all_ iptables "recipies" from the wiki :/ |
| 16:36.11 | zear | i understand your point completely, however i urgently need to ssh on it and download some basic programs |
| 16:36.19 | zear | i guess i'll just downgrade the SHR in that case |
| 16:36.30 | PaulFertser | zear: that'd be stupid indeed i'm afraid. |
| 16:37.03 | PaulFertser | zear: check your ifconfig eth2 output on your laptop carefully. |
| 16:37.30 | PaulFertser | zear: if you want to simple ssh to your FR and do not have any tricky iptables configuration, it should just work provided you have proper IP on that interface. |
| 16:38.21 | zear | oh, so i should just ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.202 ? |
| 16:38.21 | zear | *eth2 |
| 16:38.21 | PaulFertser | zear: should be enough i guess |
| 16:38.30 | zear | nope, doesn't work |
| 16:38.41 | PaulFertser | I use config_eth2=( "192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.251" ) |
| 16:38.46 | PaulFertser | And that is enough here. |
| 16:39.35 | zear | oh, got it, i should ifconfig eth2 192.168.0.200, not 202 |
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| 16:40.05 | zear | ok, i'm in, thanks for the help |
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| 16:41.09 | zear | oh, and it even routes the network, everything's fine, thanks again |
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| 16:45.50 | PaulFertser | zear: i still recommend you to study network administration ;) |
| 16:46.34 | zear | yeah, it sounds to be the most reasonable way |
| 16:47.25 | zear | btw is anyone interested in games on the freerunner |
| 16:47.46 | zear | i've successfully ported Powder and fheroes2 games |
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| 17:24.53 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:27.41 | |Marco| | hey |
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| 18:04.57 | cz_jc | hello, any idea why my FR hangs when I have it on charger power and remove battery ? |
| 18:05.22 | cz_jc | I need to experiment with (re)moving SIM because I get AT errors from my modem but I can't get FR to work without battery |
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| 18:06.46 | ndnihil | how much current is the charger capable of putting out? |
| 18:09.43 | cz_jc | ndnihil, its the stock charger that came with my FR |
| 18:10.04 | cz_jc | I was able to turn it on without a battery with it when it came |
| 18:10.27 | cz_jc | ndnihil, I think its 1A or 2A btw |
| 18:10.42 | ndnihil | 1A should be plenty |
| 18:11.12 | ndnihil | dont recally what the FR needs to boot/run |
| 18:11.17 | ndnihil | s/recally/recall/ |
| 18:11.23 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: you better stop framework before removing the battery. |
| 18:11.29 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 18:11.36 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, why? :) |
| 18:11.40 | cz_jc | btw. it was stopped |
| 18:11.46 | cz_jc | I needed direct modem access |
| 18:12.09 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: you should turn off GSM before removing bat. |
| 18:12.19 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, why? ^^' |
| 18:12.26 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: because GSM modem can want to suddenly consume a lot which can cause a power glitch. |
| 18:12.30 | cz_jc | ok |
| 18:12.34 | cz_jc | I'll try... |
| 18:12.46 | cz_jc | I'll also force fast charge mode before I remove it.. |
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| 18:17.16 | cz_jc | hah ! |
| 18:17.18 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: i've change sim myself several times that way (even connected to PC, not to the wallcharger). |
| 18:17.26 | cz_jc | reducing brightness to 1% did the trick :) |
| 18:17.31 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: and most of the time it worked. |
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| 18:20.38 | lindi- | is there something in ogsmd API that will let me detect when it has properly logged in to the network? |
| 18:24.35 | trev_ | I have developed a Java 6 SE Application for home-automation. Running it on the freerunner works (Debian Lenny + XServer + openjdk-6) but it is REALLY slow, especially the startup. So I wonder: a) is there a faster JavaSE-VM // b) will dropping Swing give a significant speed improvement (for example using swt instead) // c) is the only "proper" solution porting it to JavaME ? |
| 18:26.26 | PaulFertser | trev_: sorry for joking but i guess most folks here would suggest to port it to Vala instead ;) |
| 18:26.45 | leinir | ehrm... no ;) |
| 18:26.57 | leinir | most people with sense would suggest porting it to Qt ;) |
| 18:27.08 | SpeedEvil | I would suggest porting it to jsspeccy |
| 18:27.20 | ndnihil | hardly, most people would use perl+gtk |
| 18:27.30 | SpeedEvil | http://matt.west.co.tt/spectrum/jsspeccy/ |
| 18:27.55 | leinir | SpeedEvil: Or that, of course ;) Or, more likely, Wharglblarghl ;) |
| 18:28.21 | SpeedEvil | Piet looks fun too. |
| 18:28.48 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html |
| 18:28.59 | trev_ | I won't learn C# just for porting ONE application. |
| 18:29.04 | SpeedEvil | more seriously - what hardware are you using? |
| 18:29.20 | trev_ | me? |
| 18:29.26 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:31.13 | trev_ | I am using usual wireless-electrical-sockets controlled by a custom made device which includes an ATMega8 uC. This uC is controlled by a thin-client running linux. The Freerunner runs a client-software which connects to the server and sends commands |
| 18:31.27 | trev_ | all done in java |
| 18:31.40 | trev_ | the communication between the custom made box and the server happens via SerialPort |
| 18:32.04 | SpeedEvil | trev_: nortel semi based wireless? |
| 18:32.07 | cz_jc | I think you can't access the modem in J2ME vm |
| 18:32.25 | SpeedEvil | i mean nordic |
| 18:32.38 | cz_jc | if you use j2me, youre basically monkey in a cage with almost no api in reach |
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| 18:33.03 | ndnihil | sounds like what I did with x10, except I had the serial port dongle and didn't need a microcontroller to translate |
| 18:33.23 | ndnihil | big fan of AVR though |
| 18:33.26 | trev_ | I never heard of nordic semi based wireless. Thos are just some standard wireless-power-sockets from my local diy-market |
| 18:33.41 | trev_ | +e |
| 18:33.44 | SpeedEvil | trev_: Ah |
| 18:33.59 | SpeedEvil | trev_: it's a little low-power simple to interface chip |
| 18:34.31 | trev_ | I kinda connected the ATMega8 to the remote control |
| 18:34.31 | SpeedEvil | is contemplating the home-automation thing - though iusing 1-wire |
| 18:34.35 | SpeedEvil | (dallas/maxim slow serial protocol) |
| 18:35.04 | cz_jc | weird |
| 18:35.23 | trev_ | The point is that the software is so damn slow on the freerunner, especially at startup. And now you guys tell me that JavaME might not work because of the tiny API |
| 18:35.28 | cz_jc | when I don't have battery in, modem in my FR won't power up |
| 18:35.45 | trev_ | so what about JavaFX? |
| 18:35.47 | SpeedEvil | cz_jc: USB can't really supply the power needed |
| 18:35.56 | cz_jc | SpeedEvil, 1A isn't enough ? ;P |
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| 18:36.06 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: of course, to power up it needs some current so your supply should have low enough ESR. |
| 18:36.10 | cz_jc | SpeedEvil, you make calypso sound like a car starter XD |
| 18:36.11 | SpeedEvil | cz_jc: just about |
| 18:36.36 | SpeedEvil | cz_jc: It will want pulses of most of an amp - maybe a bit more - at battery volts. |
| 18:36.46 | trev_ | The Application itself isn't that slow I think. It's the startup.... it's the damn javaVM loading |
| 18:37.04 | cz_jc | SpeedEvil, missing cappacitor as always ? |
| 18:37.47 | SpeedEvil | cz_jc: capacitor that is not usually needed in the normal case, and hence can be sanely omitted |
| 18:37.53 | cz_jc | ok this is weird now.. I inserted my SIM card some 20 times or so |
| 18:38.01 | cz_jc | I get ERROR after AT+CPIN= line |
| 18:38.03 | SpeedEvil | Also it may be a power converter issue, I'm not sure. |
| 18:38.24 | cz_jc | SpeedEvil, it would smooth out the pulses, wouldn't it ? |
| 18:38.37 | SpeedEvil | m/aybe. |
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| 18:38.55 | SpeedEvil | But it would end up needing to be a huge cap that is'n't needed if you put the battery in |
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| 18:41.36 | cz_jc | haha |
| 18:41.37 | cz_jc | I inserted the sim for some 30th time and now it works XD |
| 18:41.43 | cz_jc | god this thing is insert sensitive XD |
| 18:43.43 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: tried cleaning the contacts? |
| 18:44.10 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, yeah but only with some toluene, didn't want to risk anything |
| 18:45.00 | cz_jc | aah no |
| 18:45.02 | cz_jc | its ethanol XD |
| 18:47.08 | PaulFertser | Don't confuse them next time when you'll be in search of something to drink ;) |
| 18:47.40 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, you drink one of those ? |
| 18:48.32 | cz_jc | wonders what pure ethanol tastes like XD |
| 18:48.50 | SpeedEvil | victory! |
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| 18:49.02 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: well, once my friend managed to smug some ethanol to a stupid open-air music fest. It was nice to consume it mixed with juice tbh. |
| 18:49.33 | jaj | hi, I wonder, has anybody thought of making Hildon run on the freerunner? |
| 18:49.52 | cz_jc | jaj, I have, when I was pissed at E |
| 18:50.05 | cz_jc | but didn't get to compilling it since there is no ebuild for it yet in gentoo |
| 18:50.20 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, haha nice |
| 18:50.28 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, so its drinkable ? XD |
| 18:50.52 | jaj | cz_jc: perhaps it would be easier on debian |
| 18:51.04 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: vodka is 40% ethanol, 60% water. You bet it is. |
| 18:51.05 | cz_jc | jaj, go ahead and try ;) |
| 18:51.17 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, yeah but ethanol is 100% ethanol XD |
| 18:51.28 | cz_jc | and some vodkas are too strong for me.. |
| 18:51.29 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: but only pure, uncontaminated ethanol, not some denaturated shit. |
| 18:52.01 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: one is supposed to mix pure ethanol with at least water before drinking. Otherwise it's dangerous to try to consume. |
| 18:52.18 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, thats what I was wondering about |
| 18:52.25 | cz_jc | if you can drink it without water XD |
| 18:52.32 | PaulFertser | Of course no. |
| 18:52.38 | cz_jc | haha |
| 18:52.39 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: i'm not that dumbass to try. |
| 18:52.45 | cz_jc | me neither XD |
| 18:52.49 | cz_jc | its good for cleaning stuff though |
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| 18:53.10 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: oh, btw, my fellow coworker did it several times by mistake and apparently small shot didn't hurt him. |
| 18:53.39 | cz_jc | I wonder what 'THE alcohol' tastes like XD |
| 18:53.49 | cz_jc | I'm tempted as hell |
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| 18:56.13 | cz_jc | aah just found the label |
| 18:56.20 | cz_jc | its denaturated synthetic ethanol for cleaning |
| 18:56.31 | cz_jc | 'with isopropyl and butanol' |
| 18:56.34 | PaulFertser | BTW, i wrote a post to STM32 Primer forums asking for reasons of integrating a proprietary programmer inside those cool toys but didn't receive any reply :-/ I hoped my question was clear enough :-/ http://www.stm32circle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=866 |
| 18:56.47 | cz_jc | sounds not so tasty XD |
| 18:58.05 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, non standard OSes ? |
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| 18:58.45 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: yes, that shit works only on windows xp/vista/7 |
| 18:59.10 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, then you probably should have said 'on windows'.. I wouldn't consider windows exactly non-standard |
| 18:59.29 | cz_jc | unfortunately, that is :] |
| 18:59.35 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: well, windows doesn't obey any standard for OSes. I can't see how can one call it being standard. |
| 18:59.52 | cz_jc | maybe say non-posix or say a specific standard |
| 18:59.59 | cz_jc | they have their own standards |
| 19:00.11 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: i'm not aware of any other standards for OSes tbh. |
| 19:00.28 | cz_jc | I'm not either atm. but nothing says posix is 'THE' standard |
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| 19:00.45 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: the name says for itself |
| 19:00.58 | PaulFertser | And there're no other known standands. |
| 19:01.22 | cz_jc | another factor here is psychology |
| 19:01.40 | cz_jc | there are those windoze dudes that think they did an open thing everyone can use with cool programmer |
| 19:02.05 | cz_jc | and here comes this linux guy telling their thing is closed and proprietary, they probably won't understand |
| 19:02.12 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: with 32k debugging limitation? I find it highly offensive. Probably i'd even want to punch the guy who did that in the face. |
| 19:02.18 | cz_jc | I wouldn't be so confronting if I wanted something to be actually done |
| 19:03.32 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: trust me, it took me quite some patience to refrain from all the swear words i know while writing that post. I did my best ;) |
| 19:04.01 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, haha I bet you did |
| 19:04.32 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, I know you russians, you have your pride ;) but you have to be neutral sometimes if you want something done, unfortunately |
| 19:05.09 | cz_jc | I'd say something like: 'hello can I program that thing on linux?' or something |
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| 19:05.38 | cz_jc | that would make THEM look like they're restricting you and make you look like poor user who bought their thing and didn't have luck making it work as opposed to meddling linux guy |
| 19:06.30 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: there's already a topic for that (quite entertaining actually): http://www.stm32circle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=23 |
| 19:06.51 | PaulFertser | Watch the id ;) |
| 19:07.07 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, you see, he/she got a reply ;) |
| 19:07.16 | cz_jc | and attemptive helpful at that |
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| 19:07.35 | cz_jc | and it did make them look like they're bastards not supporting linux and may eventually do something about it |
| 19:07.40 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: read the whole topic. And that reply wasn't from officials anyway. |
| 19:08.10 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, acknowledgment from site admin is something I'd call a little win |
| 19:08.11 | PaulFertser | Nothing useful in that thread from officials. |
| 19:08.41 | PaulFertser | cz_jc: i really recommend you to read the ML post about history of reversing the thing i linked to in the last post. |
| 19:08.45 | cz_jc | yeeey my telephony finally works again on my FR |
| 19:08.59 | cz_jc | *lot* of ethanol on my sim, sd card and both slots eventually helped ^^ |
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| 19:09.40 | cz_jc | PaulFertser, I will once I finish playing with my FR ^^ |
| 19:09.59 | cz_jc | is very happy right now to read corporate BS XD |
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| 19:21.20 | cz_jc | btw. because of replacedefaultroute being passed to pppd, gprs in FSO doesn't work in gentoo |
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| 19:21.50 | cz_jc | just erasing that line from a python-array-equivalent in some file in /usr/lib makes it work |
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| 19:46.09 | trev_ | Since the last koolu beta a lot of time has passed. Did the development stop and are they not interested in porting android to the freerunner anymore? With the latest koolu beta the gsm stopped working for me and there are still many bugs left |
| 19:56.19 | PaulFertser | trev_: koolu seems to have abandoned A on FR but i guess there's no official statement. They are just silent on all the forums and such. |
| 20:02.37 | PBeck | koolu no longer working on migration android to freerunner |
| 20:02.49 | PBeck | *migrating |
| 20:03.16 | PBeck | http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/ |
| 20:03.21 | PBeck | it's now community driven |
| 20:04.21 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 20:06.29 | PBeck | all openmoko projects are community driven |
| 20:06.38 | PBeck | openmoko is dead *duck* |
| 20:06.51 | SpeedEvil | It's just resting. |
| 20:07.03 | PBeck | of course :P |
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| 20:07.21 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: the offline wikipedia reader will be a amazing device :> |
| 20:07.43 | trev_ | yeah in combination with a proper external HD ;p |
| 20:07.45 | SpeedEvil | I am actually starting to code the webproxy |
| 20:07.46 | PBeck | unprecedented :D |
| 20:08.01 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: for what? |
| 20:08.41 | SpeedEvil | To obtain a severalfold reduction over the state of the art in open-source compressing web proxies. |
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| 20:09.10 | trev_ | I still want a proper FTP-Server as opkg for my FR |
| 20:09.34 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: and why is that important for openmoko as company? |
| 20:10.02 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: It's not. - other than as part of an alternate world. |
| 20:10.56 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: ok. We hope that openmoko will have a success |
| 20:11.15 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: but i think they havent one :( |
| 20:14.17 | SpeedEvil | The way they attempted to go about making a new phone needed I think at least another order of magnitude of money |
| 20:17.15 | Slaxxer | donations accepted |
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| 20:19.33 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: but before they have to build good hard and software |
| 20:20.00 | PBeck | the freerunner is nice but not great hardware and the software isn't it too |
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| 20:20.22 | SpeedEvil | I personally don't see what would have been greatly wrong with a slightly bugfixed gta01 in xmas 2007 running a bugfixed 2007.3 |
| 20:20.40 | SpeedEvil | but... |
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| 23:51.59 | fgau | 8 hours? |
| 23:52.25 | DocMobilizer | yup, easily |
| 23:53.07 | fgau | is jekofft! |
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| 23:56.27 | DocMobilizer | shr-u88 |
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| 23:59.08 | fgau | muaah |