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| 01:01.37 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7bbc5a773eb6 10/fsotimed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsotimed: catch up with fsodevice RTC API changes, rewrite alarm scheduler loop |
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| 01:11.57 | SeligArkin | sohow lon can the moko last as a host? |
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| 04:18.10 | slaxxer | so wats up with the shr-unstable images? |
| 04:19.48 | slaxxer | are they just 6 days late or ? |
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| 09:58.34 | CIA-82 | openmoko: 03werner * r5634 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 09:58.34 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - the set of layers of a pad is now maintained in the instance, so that we can |
| 09:58.34 | CIA-82 | openmoko: make adjustments when removing layers provided by specialized pads |
| 09:58.34 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - gui_inst.c: moved gc construction from gui_draw_pad and gui_draw_rpad to |
| 09:58.35 | CIA-82 | openmoko: shared pad_gc |
| 09:58.37 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - layer.h: new home of all definitions related to pads and layers |
| 09:58.39 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - layer.c: |
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| 10:31.16 | CosmicDuck | Hi, I have a little problem by receiving new short messages. I get message and moko said that. If I open messages but only the old ones are shown. Where is the new message? |
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| 10:45.27 | Darkas | hi |
| 10:45.44 | Darkas | I've a problem with android on my neo |
| 10:45.57 | Darkas | it doesn't recoginize my micro sd card |
| 10:46.16 | Darkas | I've read the stuff on the wiki but that doesn't help |
| 10:49.30 | CosmicDuck | check with fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 10:52.03 | CosmicDuck | Which sd card do you use? Size, model, .. |
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| 10:59.46 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: i'd suggest to first check dmesg output, because if it doesn't recognise the card, it means it shows some errors there. |
| 11:00.06 | PaulFertser | CosmicDuck: then i'd suggest to try with increased drive strength and/or reduced max clock frequency. |
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| 11:11.08 | CIA-82 | openmoko: 03werner * r5635 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:11.08 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - inst.c: cleanup_inst leaked memory when using special pads |
| 11:11.08 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - changed pad classification in instances from bare/other to copper/special |
| 11:11.08 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - moved LAYER_* definitions from layer.h to layer.c |
| 11:11.08 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - after instantiation, we perform sanity checks on pads and remove layers from |
| 11:11.11 | CIA-82 | openmoko: coppery pads that are handled by a special layer |
| 11:11.13 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - fped.y: the line number in objects was never set |
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| 11:17.35 | Darkas | CosmicDuck, I don't have any terminal access with android, how do I get it? |
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| 11:42.57 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb9a9cfe8556e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: GenericDomain: move new get_full_content function out of comment ;x |
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| 12:33.39 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r24f52e8e00d0 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: |
| 12:33.39 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: fix SMS timezone being parsed incorrectly for places where GMT<0 |
| 12:33.39 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: Fixes FSO #476. Patch courtesy "dkogan", thanks a lot! |
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| 12:52.45 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r664e9533c5c9 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimb_sim_messages_fso.py pimd_generic.py): Merge commit 'origin/dos/opimd-tracking' into dos/opimd-tracking |
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| 13:04.18 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r6a6bdd50b19c 10/ (48 files in 2 dirs): regenerate |
| 13:04.18 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rcdb5e999fb15 10/org.freesmartphone.Device/org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock: new signal org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.Alarm(i) |
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| 13:07.29 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r7608c8d98bb6 10/src/ (6 files): regen |
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| 13:13.21 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r27c6d79ffc87 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rtc/plugin.vala: |
| 13:13.21 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26_rtc: send new dbus signals |
| 13:13.21 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: * org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.WakeupTimeChanged(i) when the wakeup time has been changed |
| 13:13.21 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: * org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock.Alarm(i) when the wakeup time has been reached |
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| 13:16.41 | CIA-82 | openmoko: 03werner * r5636 10/trunk/eda/fped/ (Makefile README gui.html manual/concept-inst.fig): |
| 13:16.41 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - README: added link to the GUI manual |
| 13:16.41 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - added a conceptual explanation of instantiation (with picture) |
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| 13:20.46 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb47d0fede191 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_rtc/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_rtc: throw dbus error, if requested wakeup time is not in the future |
| 13:28.32 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4ec6d36e4928 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/sharing.vapi: fsonetworkd: sharing.vapi no longer necessary, we do it all in vala now |
| 13:31.58 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r82b066330325 10/fsonetworkd/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsonetworkd: ship dbus configuration and system activation files |
| 13:37.21 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1c8a2a60317f 10/fsonetworkd/src/bin/main.vala: fsonetworkd: shut down can't load any plugins |
| 13:37.22 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r069d9895894e 10/fsousaged/src/ (bin/main.vala plugins/controller/plugin.vala): fsousaged: shut down if can't load any plugins |
| 13:39.09 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rda6f138b21d9 10/fsodeviced/src/bin/main.vala: fsodeviced: shut down if can't load any plugins |
| 13:42.12 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9adf9a0e06d0 10/fsogsmd/src/bin/main.vala: fsogsmd: don't start if can't load any plugins |
| 13:43.25 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1e42fdcad51a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: on closing, drop out of muxing mode and power off the modem (AT@POFF) |
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| 13:54.35 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r7ff2214374fb 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking |
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| 14:01.48 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * red29786dacec 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: comment out not-really-well-thought (read as: why the hell is it there?) code |
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| 15:27.08 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07phonesim * r20c231f304a4 10/lib/ (63 files in 6 dirs): remove .svn files |
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| 15:43.52 | jaj | does anybody else see navit-svn segfault on latest shr? |
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| 17:03.53 | Kagee | SHR reports -xxxmA, is that because it is charging? |
| 17:05.02 | PaulFertser | Kagee: yes |
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| 17:21.49 | andrew2325 | does anyone know if the problem with 3g sim cards is hardware or software related? |
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| 17:22.31 | dos1 | andrew2325: do you have gsm firmware upgraded? that problem should be already fixed |
| 17:22.58 | andrew2325 | dos1 how do i go about upgrading the gsm firmware? |
| 17:23.13 | dos1 | andrew2325: it was explained everywhere possible :/ |
| 17:23.22 | dos1 | andrew2325: start with http://wiki.openmoko.org/ |
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| 17:26.40 | andrew2325 | thanks. i quit using the freerunner for a long time when i got a 3g simcard. |
| 17:26.47 | andrew2325 | i didn't know the problem had been resolved |
| 17:27.57 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: do you remember what was the fix for GSM+GPS trashing the uSD |
| 17:27.58 | Q-Master | ? |
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| 17:32.21 | andrew2325 | Q-Master, the GSM fix trashes the microsd card? |
| 17:34.07 | Q-Master | andrew2325: nop. GPS enabled while calling someone trashes some big uSD cards. I have this issue on my 8Gb Kingston uSD card |
| 17:34.08 | Q-Master | 8( |
| 17:34.29 | andrew2325 | dang |
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| 17:35.18 | andrew2325 | q-master, are you using SHR? |
| 17:35.30 | Q-Master | yep |
| 17:35.39 | andrew2325 | yikes |
| 17:35.41 | Q-Master | it is not distro-dependent |
| 17:35.56 | Q-Master | it is a bug of freerunner itself |
| 17:36.01 | andrew2325 | i never use gps anyway |
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| 17:36.46 | beer_ | Q-Master: another hardware bug? |
| 17:37.01 | Q-Master | why "another"? |
| 17:37.08 | Q-Master | it's old |
| 17:38.26 | beer_ | another becouse there are some eka, buzz and problem with bass ets |
| 17:47.22 | andrew2325 | wow, SHR has come up in the world. |
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| 17:50.57 | srj | any gta01 users in the room? |
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| 18:00.07 | srj | any gta01 + shr users in the room? |
| 18:00.21 | Chocky | no more than when you asked a few mins ago :p |
| 18:01.03 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: the fix?.. changing a card i'm afraid. |
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| 18:01.19 | PaulFertser | srj: i'm one of those. |
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| 18:02.58 | srj | PaulFertser: i'm having problems with running gllin, it segfaults. |
| 18:03.13 | PaulFertser | srj: oh |
| 18:03.18 | PaulFertser | srj: whan version are you using? |
| 18:04.05 | srj | PaulFertser: gllin is 1.1 , kernel is 2.6.29-rc3 |
| 18:04.37 | PaulFertser | srj: can you please "zgrep OABI /proc/config.gz" ? |
| 18:05.24 | srj | zgrep is not installed |
| 18:05.40 | andi | zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI |
| 18:06.04 | Chocky | OABI badness |
| 18:06.23 | srj | PaulFertser:# CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT is not set |
| 18:06.38 | PaulFertser | srj: are you surely running the latest kernel from the SHR repos? |
| 18:06.44 | srj | andi: # CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT is not set |
| 18:07.02 | PaulFertser | srj: iirc shr scripts do not update the kernel in NAND, you have to flash it yourself (you can do it from userland). |
| 18:07.15 | srj | PaulFertser: i am not sure, which one is the latest kernel? |
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| 18:07.35 | PaulFertser | srj: a35blablabla |
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| 18:08.23 | PaulFertser | ~seen dave |
| 18:08.25 | apt | dave <n=Daveweis@189-219.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 94d 23h 7m 49s ago, saying: '<dpkg> are you using Windows?, Dave'. |
| 18:08.28 | srj | PaulFertser: i guess i can dfu-util the new kernel, and leave the rootfs untouched.. right? |
| 18:08.33 | Defiant | PaulFertser: uhm the last time I tested shr upgrade it did write some kernel stuff to nand |
| 18:08.47 | PaulFertser | srj: not exactly. You want to have all the corresponding modules installed too. |
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| 18:09.23 | PaulFertser | Defiant: ok, i'm not sure of that part, especially for gta01. But thanks for the info anyway. |
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| 18:10.07 | Defiant | PaulFertser: no idea about GTA01, but gta02 it did |
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| 18:10.43 | srj | PaulFertser: hmm, so how am i supposed to upgrade the latest kernel? |
| 18:10.56 | PaulFertser | srj: "opkg update && opkg upgrade" |
| 18:11.49 | srj | PaulFertser: ok. will try. thanks. any more advice? |
| 18:13.28 | PaulFertser | srj: until you run a kernel with OABI support, no. |
| 18:14.12 | PaulFertser | srj: if you use GSM the advice is to always "cold-boot" (remove the battery before booting) for now, this will be fixed tomorrow or the day after. |
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| 18:28.57 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: I've seen some fix for that. changing card is not a solution |
| 18:30.56 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: one guy said he shielded his card somehow iirc. |
| 18:31.11 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: btw, have you tried using drive strength 1 or more? |
| 18:31.25 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: ? |
| 18:32.52 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: sd drive strength, changeable even runtime through /sys/modules/glamo_mci/... |
| 18:33.15 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: give me a hint plz |
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| 18:33.41 | PaulFertser | echo 1 > /sys/modules/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive or something very much like that |
| 18:34.16 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: what will be the benefit? |
| 18:34.36 | Q-Master | BTW /sys/module/glamo_mci/.... |
| 18:34.53 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: increased drive strength should improve reliability of communication with SD |
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| 18:35.54 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: what is the best number? |
| 18:36.49 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: the more the strength, the more you harm GPS reception. 0 is the lowest and usually it works fine with most cards. 1 seemingly doesn't harm GPS reception at all, so probably 1 is the best. 0 is the default currently. |
| 18:37.24 | Q-Master | default seems to trash my uSD |
| 18:37.51 | PaulFertser | Then try one or even 2. |
| 18:38.09 | PaulFertser | Also you can specify it with kernel command line, "glamo_mci.sd_drive=1" iirc |
| 18:39.19 | Q-Master | thnx |
| 18:40.31 | andi | there is a note about the Kingston 4gb cards in the wiki |
| 18:40.36 | andi | that there are problems |
| 18:40.48 | Defiant | what? I have a kingston 8gb |
| 18:41.21 | andi | I have access to three freerunners with kingston 4gb cards in them |
| 18:41.33 | andi | all have problems |
| 18:41.54 | andi | sometimes /etc/init.d/rcS cannot be found |
| 18:41.56 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: I put my drive back to 0 because I think it may have been causing gsm buzz... |
| 18:42.13 | johnsu01 | and the sd card works with just the clock adjustment |
| 18:42.26 | andi | so might glamo_mcd.sd_drive=something also a solution there? |
| 18:42.35 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: nah, sd_drive can't cause gsm buzz obviously |
| 18:42.42 | andi | I changed one of them with a sandisk card |
| 18:42.52 | andi | and the problems disappeared |
| 18:42.54 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: No? Because after I changed that, I had buzzing complaints in low reception again |
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| 18:43.25 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: do you have buzz fix applied? |
| 18:43.51 | johnsu01 | yes |
| 18:44.41 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: hm... I just can't see how sd_drive can affect that... Are you sure the buzzfix wire didn't get loose or smth? |
| 18:44.52 | srj | PaulFertser: i issued opkg upgrade, but it segfaulted in the middle saying "fork failed". am i doing anything wrong? |
| 18:45.32 | andi | srj: had the problem also, a reboot helped |
| 18:45.52 | andi | in theory there are too many processes |
| 18:46.08 | andi | but I have seen that error also without that |
| 18:46.17 | PaulFertser | srj: you can stop X and everything else not needed for upgrade. |
| 18:46.21 | PaulFertser | srj: opkg is buggy shit |
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| 18:46.42 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: I'll have to test again to be surer |
| 18:47.32 | Defiant | PaulFertser: just for info: loglevel 4 doesn't add anything here, too |
| 18:47.49 | PaulFertser | Defiant: thanks for confirming. |
| 18:48.03 | DocScrutinizer-8 | loglevel 4 is ok for me |
| 18:48.21 | PaulFertser | Defiant: i specifically did some tests and sent patches to ensure that most of the time loglevel=4 doesn't print anything on LCM., |
| 18:48.38 | Defiant | I boot with 8 and set level 4 after boot |
| 18:48.54 | Defiant | PaulFertser: nice |
| 18:49.02 | PaulFertser | Defiant: that's why i very much disliked a stupid idea to patch Qi instead of fixing the odd messages that might be still present with inappropriate loglevel. |
| 18:49.06 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so let me state my humble opinion loglevel=1 is deprecated then |
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| 18:49.34 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: :) |
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| 18:59.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | there once was a partially stupid OS that used to start every process with prio=1. It was quite annoying when we nneded to have some higher prioritized processes, which simply wasn't possible |
| 19:01.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | back in the old days we used to number lines of sourcecode in 10s increments, so we had a way to insert lines later on, without renumbering the whole stack (of punchcards :-P ) |
| 19:02.18 | Spdz | I have just got hold of a freerunner. how can I get it to list visible WiFi networks? ifconfig doesn't even show wlan0 |
| 19:02.49 | DocScrutinizer-8 | wifi is eth0 |
| 19:02.58 | DocScrutinizer-8 | iwlist eth0 scan |
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| 19:05.22 | Spdz | this is going to get very tiresome typing into this device... can I shell into it from my laptop? or something...? I don't have the right connectors to plug a keyboard in |
| 19:05.58 | Defiant | Spdz: get them. They are very useful. You will need them very often |
| 19:06.20 | PaulFertser | Spdz: read FSO_Resources wikipage |
| 19:06.26 | PaulFertser | Spdz: for wifi |
| 19:06.41 | PaulFertser | Spdz: for keyboard you can use bluetooth keyboard or any usb keyboard. |
| 19:06.48 | tschaka^ | you should prolly advise him to reflash the os first ;) |
| 19:07.05 | PaulFertser | Spdz: and yes, you basically must ssh in from your laptop or something |
| 19:07.10 | Weiss | Spdz: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking |
| 19:07.11 | Defiant | still the 2007 Image default? |
| 19:07.18 | Spdz | is there much point in that tschaka^ ? |
| 19:07.43 | PaulFertser | Haha, what a fun, answering simple questions is so simple, it's not even joyful anymore. |
| 19:07.50 | tschaka^ | sorry, hopefully the other guys can help ya. got an impatient girlfriend here :| |
| 19:07.51 | tschaka^ | :P |
| 19:08.08 | Spdz | :) |
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| 19:13.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: you probably want a rather current kernel and rootfs, rather than the default image FR is shipped with |
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| 19:14.00 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r315389465450 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/ (fsobasics-2.0.vapi logger.vala): fsobasics: don't assert_not_reached() on logger.critical; exit(FAILURE) instead and dump a message |
| 19:14.07 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: a whole lot of issues (esp wifi among others) was fixed durent the very last few months |
| 19:14.40 | DocScrutinizer-8 | s/durent/during/ |
| 19:14.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | tzz |
| 19:15.44 | Spdz | apt Is the channel bot? neat |
| 19:16.31 | Spdz | I'm running XP on my laptop -- what is a good terminal program to |
| 19:16.43 | Spdz | Shellin from? |
| 19:16.45 | Defiant | putty |
| 19:17.30 | PaulFertser | debian |
| 19:17.32 | Defiant | If you were successful in setting up a ssh connection |
| 19:17.56 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: nevertheless support for tcp-over-usb is rather ... err, suboptimal in windows. At least that's what I've been told |
| 19:18.41 | Defiant | DocScrutinizer-8: still true for "the last time I checked" |
| 19:19.10 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well, PaulFertser knows detail about some patch |
| 19:19.13 | srj | PaulFertser: hi again. just completed opkg upgrade, same result with gllin still |
| 19:19.31 | srj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.31 | srj | # CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT is not set |
| 19:19.39 | DocScrutinizer-8 | at least more detail than I do |
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| 19:20.51 | max_posedon | srj, sorry, why you want old, outdated, useless, deprecated OABI ?! |
| 19:22.14 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: not really, it "just works" with the latest kernel. |
| 19:22.22 | srj | max_posedon: apparently OABI is required to run gllin |
| 19:22.37 | PaulFertser | srj: uname -a |
| 19:22.47 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: yes, he's right :( |
| 19:22.47 | Defiant | PaulFertser: whats latest in this case? |
| 19:22.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: I thought about that "maddog" patch |
| 19:22.58 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: andy-tracking HEAD |
| 19:23.01 | srj | PaulFertser: Linux om-gta01 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 3 17:49:20 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown |
| 19:23.13 | PaulFertser | srj: "Jul 3" |
| 19:23.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: it's in |
| 19:23.32 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: i tried windows networking at work, it worked. |
| 19:23.46 | DocScrutinizer-8 | isn't it some fix you need apply to windoof side? |
| 19:23.48 | PaulFertser | srj: looks like you need to flash the kernel manually. |
| 19:23.53 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: not that i know of |
| 19:23.55 | max_posedon | sorry, I don't know what is gllin, is it smth that can'be recompiled for eabi? |
| 19:24.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | aah, ok |
| 19:24.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | aah, now my sluggish memory tends to reveal a few more details... yes you're right |
| 19:25.16 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: it is something that we can't recompile because those fucking morons don't give us the sources. |
| 19:25.25 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: required for gps on gta01. |
| 19:25.28 | Spdz | Could somebody link for the XP driver for the free runner? |
| 19:25.42 | PaulFertser | Spdz: read the wiki |
| 19:25.49 | srj | PaulFertser: will try. |
| 19:25.49 | srj | can you please point me to the latest kernel |
| 19:25.51 | PaulFertser | Spdz: there's no need for the driver, just an inf file |
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| 19:25.56 | Defiant | Spdz: search wiki for windows |
| 19:26.04 | PaulFertser | srj: what is "ls -la /boot" for you? |
| 19:26.53 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: wiki is a good start. though horribly scattered info al over the site |
| 19:27.37 | srj | PaulFertser: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26 Jul 3 16:11 append-GTA02 |
| 19:27.37 | srj | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 4 04:00 uImage -> uImage-2.6.29-rc3 |
| 19:27.37 | srj | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1944008 Sep 6 16:33 uImage-2.6.29-rc3 |
| 19:27.37 | srj | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Aug 4 04:00 uImage-GTA01.bin -> uImage |
| 19:28.01 | PaulFertser | srj: flash that one |
| 19:29.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: sorry the response to windows related questions is a little thin here ;-) |
| 19:30.03 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: in fact as about everything that can be readily obtained from the wiki. |
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| 19:30.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: most of use probably not even have any working windows system |
| 19:30.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: yep |
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| 19:30.48 | Spdz | yar I can understand there doesn't seem much point in using an open source phone with Windows -- unfortunately I have to use Windows because Linux doesn't yet have continuous speech recognition |
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| 19:31.28 | Spdz | maybe I would do better to run virtual box with ubuntu guest |
| 19:31.50 | DocScrutinizer-8 | a rather good idea |
| 19:32.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | though especially for usb networking I'm not sure how smooth that would work |
| 19:32.35 | Spdz | This is going to require a cup of tea |
| 19:32.49 | Spdz | puts the kettle on |
| 19:33.00 | srj | PaulFertser: i am going to flash latest UImage from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/ that should work, i hope |
| 19:33.59 | Spdz | oh is anyone in London by the way? I would totally be up for paying someone to tutor me |
| 19:35.01 | PaulFertser | srj: well... |
| 19:35.09 | PaulFertser | srj: it will work, yes |
| 19:36.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: if you like to pay the ticket from/to germany, plus a few pint ;-) |
| 19:37.37 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: nah, just kidding |
| 19:37.54 | Defiant | rofl |
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| 19:38.46 | max_posedon | Spdz, linux is kinda sex, sometimes its better try it without friends help. |
| 19:38.56 | max_posedon | so, don't ask, just try |
| 19:39.04 | max_posedon | virtualbox is great for any experements |
| 19:39.05 | PaulFertser | Spdz: do UK authorities require some humilating procedure for the foreigners wishing to visit it, like e.g. taking fingerprints? |
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| 19:43.29 | Spdz | PaulFertser: I believe it is now compulsory for foreigners to strip naked and sing rule Britannia at passport control. |
| 19:43.42 | DocScrutinizer-8 | PaulFertser: not for Germans ;-) Dunno how that's for Russians |
| 19:44.18 | max_posedon | ha, PaulFertser is it worring you? |
| 19:44.54 | PaulFertser | Spdz: (fingerprints) USA assholes require that, that's why i'm concerned, UK seems to be too supportive of the usa iniatives lately. |
| 19:44.54 | DocScrutinizer-8 | lol, not me |
| 19:45.08 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: a lot, really |
| 19:45.54 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, if you know, in Belarus, goverment collected fingerprint of near 30% of people |
| 19:46.27 | max_posedon | after one attack to president 2 years ago |
| 19:47.17 | max_posedon | most near 90% of people who live in Minsk visited, police to do that... |
| 19:47.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | max_posedon: here in Germany they collected fingerprints of >80% now, for biometric id card and passport |
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| 19:47.53 | max_posedon | its ok for me too, but I'm interested in PaulFertser's reaction) |
| 19:48.05 | max_posedon | I'm sure he didn't know this fact about country near him) |
| 19:48.17 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: luckily i'm not in Belarus, i'm happy we don't have that kind of shit here (probably yet). |
| 19:48.20 | PaulFertser | really. |
| 19:48.20 | Spdz | PaulFertser: it is getting very minority report. Driving around London you find yourself looking into a lot of fancy looking cameras. the government is using some really underhand techniques to collect People's DNA-- like making deals with hospitals, or even arresting people for no reason and profiling them ( which happened to a very harmless Japanese boy I know ) |
| 19:48.25 | Defiant | DocScrutinizer-8: 80% where you got that number from? |
| 19:48.29 | srj | PaulFertser: good news! no seg fault with gllin.. bad news: gllin says no /tmp/nmeaNP file or dir |
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| 19:48.41 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Defiant: a guess |
| 19:48.50 | PaulFertser | srj: hehe |
| 19:48.56 | PaulFertser | srj: are you running gllin by hand? |
| 19:49.04 | srj | PaulFertser: yes. |
| 19:49.16 | PaulFertser | srj: you should left that to FSO, it runs it on its own. |
| 19:49.26 | PaulFertser | Spdz: :((( |
| 19:50.09 | srj | PaulFertser: so i am to understand that all i need to do now is to run tango-gps ? |
| 19:50.28 | PaulFertser | Spdz: it's a common joke here to assume americans are stupid... I really hoped UK people won't be influenced by them _that_ much. |
| 19:50.42 | PaulFertser | srj: i hope so |
| 19:50.54 | ndnihil | we're smarter than you think |
| 19:50.57 | ndnihil | we just put the stupid ones on tv |
| 19:51.04 | Spdz | :))) |
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| 19:51.24 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, I think they have similar joke about russians ) |
| 19:53.59 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i know that "all americans are stupid" is just a bad joke, but oh man, voting for Bush was such a sign :-/ |
| 19:54.21 | ndnihil | heh, joke is on you. -ALL- politicians are crooked and stupid |
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| 19:54.37 | ndnihil | the facade they portray to the media varies, but they're all evil |
| 19:55.03 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: no doubt. But i can't see how it can justify voting for a retard. |
| 19:55.24 | ndnihil | the "dumb texan" game was just that, a game |
| 19:55.36 | ndnihil | the dumber people thing you are, the more you can get away with |
| 19:55.40 | ndnihil | s/thing/think/ |
| 19:58.17 | Spdz | PaulFertser: unfortunately it is a reflection of the way people think -- a lot of people were attracted to his reactionary fighting talk and cowboy persona. I think he got a lot of votes from the centre of the country, where it is less multicultural <&cough*! > Inbreeding |
| 19:58.23 | ndnihil | manipulation of the proletariat is an art |
| 19:59.16 | srj | how much time does tango-gps take to get a fix? |
| 19:59.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | srj: depends |
| 19:59.37 | PaulFertser | Spdz: i can hardly imagine how "fighting" "terrorists" can be seen as attractive. |
| 19:59.40 | ndnihil | srj: in my faraday cage of a house, about 3-5 minutes |
| 19:59.49 | Spdz | Has anyone looked at playing around with HTC Dream? it looks like that has an open source operating system |
| 20:00.19 | srj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:00.50 | Spdz | PaulFertser: it offers excitement, right against wrong, good against evil, a viable alternative to Jerry Springer & the shopping channel |
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| 20:03.05 | srj | PaulFertser: it seems that gpsd is running but tango gps shows no fix. am i doing something wrong? |
| 20:03.15 | Defiant | srj: indoor? |
| 20:03.21 | srj | Defiant: yes |
| 20:03.50 | Defiant | srj: get outside. gps doesn't work inside a building unless you watch csi |
| 20:03.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | srj: lol, forget it |
| 20:04.06 | srj | Defiant: :) |
| 20:04.17 | srj | will be back shortly |
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| 20:12.04 | UberNeo | where is the keyboard in QTMoko |
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| 20:37.19 | Spdz | I am following this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_and_Windows trying to ssh from XP into my free runner. I have managed to ping it, but putty won't connect. What port should I be using? putty defaults to 22, I have been using that. But maybe the problem is that I need to start some software on the free runner. Anyone? |
| 20:37.50 | srj | is back......dissapointed |
| 20:38.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: which distri? for all I know there should be a dropbear ssh server running on port22 on all distris |
| 20:39.11 | srj | //etc/init.d/gllin/ |
| 20:39.19 | srj | says early exit(3) |
| 20:39.34 | PaulFertser | srj: hm... that is some known problem... |
| 20:39.48 | PaulFertser | srj: somehow easily solvable, but i don't remember |
| 20:40.58 | PaulFertser | srj: or probably it's even harmless ;) |
| 20:42.12 | DocScrutinizer-8 | seems to remember a remark of wpwrak about gllin running in a chroot environment |
| 20:42.16 | johnsu01 | so what's up with the sms timestamps? |
| 20:42.33 | Spdz | DocScrutinizer-8: how can I find out? I have done 'uname -r' to get the kernel version which is 2.6.24 |
| 20:42.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer-8: yes, it does |
| 20:43.02 | PaulFertser | Spdz: you're supposed to flash something decent from the beginning, .24 is mad old. |
| 20:44.30 | Spdz | PaulFertser: oh! ok I was hoping to start with shelling in so that I could flash something decent. I'm not quite sure which order to do things in. |
| 20:44.44 | PaulFertser | Spdz: you can flash it with dfu-util, no need to ssh in. |
| 20:45.31 | srj | so how is gps really supposed to work on neo1973? i mean should just starting the phone up and running tangogps work ? |
| 20:45.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yeah, but dfu-util from windoof is another terra incognita at least to me |
| 20:45.49 | PaulFertser | srj: yes, and it worked for others. Try real cold boot, just in case. |
| 20:46.01 | Spdz | ok I will rummage for a guide |
| 20:46.02 | PaulFertser | srj: do not start gllin manually. Just place your device near the window. |
| 20:46.19 | PaulFertser | Spdz: take a look at SHR user manual. It sucks but it's better than nothing. |
| 20:47.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: and maybe consider to use any live-CD of a linux of your choice ;-) |
| 20:47.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: will save you a lot of headache probably |
| 20:50.14 | Spdz | it is not my head that aches -- it is my poor fingers. But I see that I should be working from Linux... |
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| 20:53.44 | DocScrutinizer-8 | Spdz: for now: did you correctly specify root@192.168.0.202 for ssh'ing to FR? |
| 20:56.01 | PaulFertser | Spdz: and did you set your host's IP to something sensible (192.168.0.200 is recommended). |
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| 20:58.35 | Spdz | The guide seems to have a typo -- it seems to sometimes use 202 as the last byte of the IP, where it should be 200. |
| 20:59.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | no, that's exactly correct to have 200 for laptop and 202 for FR |
| 21:00.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | dunno if there are typos though |
| 21:00.43 | Spdz | PaulFertser: I'm not sure what you mean by my host's IP. doesn't every interface on my host have a separate IP? So which IP do you mean? |
| 21:01.17 | DocScrutinizer-8 | and actually that's the top of FAQ: people try to ssh to their own laptop (200) instead of FR (202) |
| 21:02.06 | Spdz | Looks at the FAQ |
| 21:02.08 | PaulFertser | Spdz: FR==device, the thing you connect it to == host |
| 21:03.01 | srj | PaulFertser: still no luck. |
| 21:03.05 | ShellEvil | Which to be confusing, might also be another freerunner. |
| 21:03.09 | ShellEvil | (but not usually) |
| 21:04.06 | PaulFertser | srj: :( |
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| 21:22.20 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rbbb08f7e462f 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Listen on NameLost instead of NameOwnerChanged |
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| 22:28.34 | SeligArkin | If my moko is set to send power to the usb port, for host most, but nothing is connected, it won't be wasteing power, will it? |
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| 22:34.51 | ShellEvil | yes |
| 22:34.58 | ShellEvil | SeligArkin: |
| 22:35.14 | ShellEvil | All regulators have some quiescant current - the amount it takes to activate it. |
| 22:35.24 | ShellEvil | I'd expect it to be of the order of a milliamp or two |
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| 22:45.52 | SpeedEvil | Random: Does anyone know how to force USB1 speed on a USB2 device? |
| 22:46.03 | SpeedEvil | My 3G modem is somewhat unstable on a 10m cable. |
| 22:46.45 | CIA-82 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra84200925708 10/fsogsmd/ (12 files in 7 dirs): fsogsmd: convert to using Gee, add typefactory for mediators in Modem class |
| 22:46.45 | CIA-82 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5637 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 22:46.45 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - new IO2V8 power net for Telit GSM modem |
| 22:46.45 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - new component NTDG1100L |
| 22:46.45 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - Reinstate GSM power switch, using the NTDG1100L |
| 22:46.49 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - Remove duplicate test points (Doh!) |
| 22:46.51 | CIA-82 | openmoko: - yes 33R probably was to small! :-) |
| 22:48.31 | mjr | used to be you could disable hi-speed by rmmoding some ehci module, but at least I don't seem to have one currently here |
| 22:49.00 | mjr | otoh, I don't necessarily have high-speed usb devices currently attached |
| 22:49.45 | mjr | at least my huawei e169 is not a high-speed device anyway, are you sure yours is? |
| 22:50.11 | mjr | 10m usb cable _is_ kinda pushing it... |
| 22:52.33 | max_posedon | SpeedEvil, I just suggest by shorted cable with ferrit |
| 22:56.48 | SpeedEvil | It says USB2 |
| 22:56.53 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 22:57.42 | SpeedEvil | S: Product=HUAWEI Mobile |
| 22:57.46 | SpeedEvil | T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=04 Cnt=01 Dev#= 70 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 |
| 22:57.47 | SpeedEvil | I mean |
| 22:58.03 | SpeedEvil | in /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 22:58.55 | CIA-82 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5638 10/trunk/gta02-core/cpu.sch: |
| 22:58.55 | CIA-82 | openmoko: -PWR_IRQ, +nPWR_IRQ. It's active low. |
| 22:58.55 | CIA-82 | openmoko: Rask Ingemann Lambertsen <ccc94453@vip.cybercity.dk> |
| 23:00.01 | SpeedEvil | It's on a couple of long bits of bamboo above my roof currently - hence the long cable :) |
| 23:02.22 | SpeedEvil | (though ferrite bead is a sensible suggestion |
| 23:09.13 | mjr | how about something called an external antenna :] |
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| 23:10.04 | andrew2325 | will all 3g simcards work with the firmware update? |
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| 23:15.04 | Spdz | Is anyone still awake? |
| 23:17.06 | Spdz | I am wondering -- is it possible to soft code a SIM? ie so that no physical SIM is needed? It would be neat to be able to switch between my work phone and my home phone without having to replace the SIM |
| 23:18.10 | SpeedEvil | In principle yes. |
| 23:18.15 | SpeedEvil | In practice, no. |
| 23:18.43 | SpeedEvil | In principle would be if you had a trusted computing environment, and could convince the network to give you the SIM data. |
| 23:18.51 | SpeedEvil | In practice - you can't. |
| 23:20.03 | Spdz | What do you mean by trusted computer environment? |
| 23:21.08 | Spdz | (I'm now following it up more to learn something about the way mobile phones operate than to try stupidly hard hacks) |
| 23:21.24 | SpeedEvil | The SIM runs a little crypto application. |
| 23:21.35 | SpeedEvil | It has a secret inside that the network queries. |
| 23:22.18 | SpeedEvil | If you can make a trusted environment that you can guarantee - to the networks satisfaction - that the user can never get to that secret - they might let you make a copy - if you pay them _lots_ |
| 23:26.08 | Spdz | I didn't realise there was so much cunningness inside a little SIM |
| 23:27.18 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 23:27.31 | SpeedEvil | It makes some of the neat things you might like to do lots harder |
| 23:31.56 | SpeedEvil | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/Bluetooth_SIM_Access_Profile_standard_on_S60_3rd_Edition.php |
| 23:32.01 | balrog-kun | i think some people did copy sim cards? slashdot always has this kind of news |
| 23:32.05 | balrog-kun | i never read them :p |
| 23:32.27 | balrog-kun | you wouldn't need to copy the card though, you would only need to produce two identical SIMs |
| 23:32.43 | Spdz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.13 | SpeedEvil | IMEI is the phone, yes |
| 23:33.45 | SpeedEvil | I think broadly the phone says 'hello - I'm a phone'. The network looks up its IMEI - sees if it's barred. |
| 23:34.27 | SpeedEvil | If it's not - it says 'hello - here is my random challenge' - the phone then passes this to the SIM - that encrypts this challenge with the stored secret, and passes it back to the network. |
| 23:35.07 | SpeedEvil | The network then compares this with its local copy, and if it matches, 'connects' the phone to its number |
| 23:37.20 | Spdz | balrog-kun: the task would be to do in software what the SIM does in hardware. If this is some sort of cipher that could be practically impossible. |
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| 23:40.25 | Spdz | SpeedEvil: Thanks! |
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| 23:45.39 | Spdz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_cloning |
| 23:52.33 | Spdz | SpeedEvil: how does this contrast against the data exchanged between a mobile broadband SIM and the provider? for example, I have a mobile broadband SIM in my netbook. When I connect, what happens? Do I have an IMEI #? or a MAC address? |
| 23:58.10 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it it's simply a normal 'phone' |
| 23:58.24 | SpeedEvil | just without maybe the voice number actually enabled for voice calls |