| 00:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | e * 1V2 |
| 00:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | 3 * |
| 00:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | don't use primary cells though |
| 00:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | but for NiMH * 3 even the specs of pcf506xx say it's ok and designed for this usecase |
| 00:03.04 | Kagee | what's a primary cell ? |
| 00:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | a carbon-zinc, or alkaline |
| 00:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | Kagee: you don't want to use any regulator. It's a waste of energy, and PMU *is* the regulator for the bat voltage |
| 00:09.45 | brolin | Can I use a DBoard v3 + USB -> Ethernet adapter to connect my FR directly to my LAN? |
| 00:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | brolin: why use dboard?? |
| 00:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | I don't even think it will work with debubo |
| 00:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | brolin: just connect the usb-lan-adapter to FR usb in hostmode? |
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| 00:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | brolin: you might want to use Y-cable to power FR and adapter |
| 00:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | am I offline again? |
| 00:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 00:16.31 | apt | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
| 00:16.31 | mjr | no |
| 00:16.40 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: How do I use the FR USB in Host mode? |
| 00:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | switch to host mode in SHR-settings-connectivity |
| 00:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | use /sys/bla/foo/* in other distris |
| 00:20.49 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: Now what? Connect the FR to a USB hub and connect the USB -> Ethernet adapter to the USB hub? |
| 00:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | if you think you need a hub, then yes |
| 00:22.05 | brolin | How can I connect the USB -> Ethernet adapter without using a USB hub? |
| 00:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | with a miniUSB-m--USB-A-f adapther |
| 00:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | brolin: e.g like this http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/FR+UMTS.jpg |
| 00:26.43 | brolin | I think the only USB cables I have are for connecting devices to hosts, e.g., connecting my FR to my PC. |
| 00:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | or that one http://www.conrad.de/goto.php?artikel=971535 |
| 00:27.42 | brolin | When I read the FR had USB host before I received my FR, I expected the FR to have at least 1 USB host port. :P |
| 00:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | brolin: so with the cables you have, you won't succeed with a hub as well. You can't connect a host to a hubs downstream port |
| 00:28.55 | brolin | USB host port = USB Type A connector, not (Mini) Type B connector. |
| 00:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 00:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | btw you're wrong |
| 00:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | as mini-B is both, by definition |
| 00:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | though that definition is bsoleted by USB-OTG deprecating all mini-USB |
| 00:31.35 | brolin | I meant I expected the FR to have at least 1 USB Type A connector, because I am used to using that type of connector on USB hosts. |
| 00:32.06 | brolin | I should have written: When I read the FR had USB host before I received my FR, I expected the FR to have at least 1 USB Type A port. :P |
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| 00:32.34 | brolin | I did not know Type B was ever used for USB host. |
| 00:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yes. would sure be cool. Alas we miss the real estate to place such connector anywhere in FR |
| 00:33.44 | quatrox | brolin: I think the FR has a mini USB AB |
| 00:33.54 | quatrox | so you can use a mini USB A |
| 00:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | there's much confusion about all that |
| 00:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | but actually I think it's a mini-B |
| 00:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | though the plugs are imprinted A or B, depending on ID shorted to GND or NC |
| 00:35.58 | brolin | Does mini Type A even exist? I thought all Type A were the size used on PCs. |
| 00:37.07 | quatrox | Type A is the one used in cameras, IIRC |
| 00:37.19 | quatrox | sorry |
| 00:37.30 | quatrox | that is type b |
| 00:37.45 | quatrox | type a is almost the same |
| 00:38.56 | brolin | All the digital still cameras I have seen use mini Type B, not full-size Type B. I do not know about digital video cameras because I have never had one. |
| 00:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_USB#Connector_types |
| 00:42.34 | brolin | Incidentally, why does SHR use slider controls instead of more usable radio buttons or combo boxes? |
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| 00:45.02 | brolin | Radio buttons should be called mutex buttons because modern vehicle stereos use push buttons, not mutex buttons like in old vehicle radios. |
| 00:47.13 | DocScrutinizer | I love the term "mutex buttons" :-) |
| 00:47.31 | brolin | cannot even remember the last time he has seen a real vehicle radio/stereo with mutex buttons. I am probably too young. :) |
| 00:51.41 | brolin | Are all the mutex button vehicle radios AM-only? That is probably why I do not remember seeing any real mutex button vehicle radios. I cannot even think of anyone I know whose vehicle's radio is AM-only. |
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| 00:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | no, there are also AM/FM mutex button car radios |
| 00:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | I remeber at least one Blaupunkt model |
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| 02:16.21 | DocScrutinizer | ShellEvil: /nick $(cat /dev/random) ? ;-P |
| 02:17.14 | ShellEvil | got somewhat frustrated at his 3g thingy. |
| 02:17.30 | SpeedEvil | Which isn't working for no logical reason. |
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| 02:23.58 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: I never knew USB v3.0 had been released until today. |
| 02:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | brolin: well, there isn't anything usb3.0 except *cables* yet, so you didn't miss much |
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| 02:33.23 | SpeedEvil | And stupid cables. |
| 02:52.56 | rooly | damnit |
| 02:53.06 | rooly | does anoyone know how i might get mman into mingw? |
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| 03:47.22 | brolin | DocScrutinizer: How can I search for the type of USB cables I need? "miniUSB-m--USB-A-f adapther" and a Y cable? I need a seller in Canada, such as ncix.com, a-power.com, acp.ca, tigerdirect.ca. |
| 03:48.31 | brolin | NCIX does not appear to have the "miniUSB-m--USB-A-f adapther". |
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| 04:41.52 | Slaxxed | tom-tom auto cable works for me |
| 04:42.13 | Slaxxed | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.48 | Slaxxed | i no like adapters |
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| 06:25.20 | blindcoder | brolin: I got a usb-a-f--usb-a-f adapter and a usb-a-m--miniusb-m adapter |
| 06:25.34 | blindcoder | brolin: couldn't find a miniusb-m--usb-a-f adapter anywhere |
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| 07:36.15 | freerunnerlive | Wireless Partial The GUI cannot do scan for wireless network. Writing exact essid or setting up wifi from command line works. QtMoko What is the best way ? |
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| 08:46.50 | quatrox | freerunnerlive: hidden essid? |
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| 09:00.27 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hi :D What'd you say about me planning to use PC AT PSU to get 3.3V from to emulate battery for gta01? |
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| 09:14.08 | freerunnerlive | :quatrox no it is a bug but i need to configure wlan. Like /etc/network/interfaces ? or iwconfig eth0 essid "Fritz.box" ? |
| 09:15.36 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: probably you have some experience with PC PSUs too, do you have any ideas? |
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| 09:26.01 | quatrox | PaulFertser: It should work great but make sure the PSU already has a permanent load on 3V3 |
| 09:26.42 | quatrox | e.g. by adding a resistor |
| 09:27.40 | PaulFertser | quatrox: and if not? Do you think it can produce big (>5.5V) spikes? |
| 09:27.59 | quatrox | no |
| 09:28.04 | quatrox | but just to be sure |
| 09:28.51 | quatrox | but the 3v3 should never ever be able to give you 5V spikes |
| 09:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: add a load to 5 V as well |
| 09:30.40 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: how much load there and there? Really mandatory? I even lack clear idea yet how to connect to AT connector and i don't feel like cutting it... |
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| 09:31.42 | quatrox | pinouts.ru gives the pinout |
| 09:31.50 | PaulFertser | quatrox: i'm not that stupid |
| 09:32.07 | PaulFertser | quatrox: i lack connector |
| 09:32.12 | quatrox | ahh |
| 09:32.50 | PaulFertser | quatrox: and would prefer to avoid "snap the wire in and hope it'll stay there tight" for this kind of task. |
| 09:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: 1A should suffice. Unmantle wires and solder, without cutting copper |
| 09:36.18 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: sounds good, it's just that i still have to find something to direct that 1A to... Actually i planned to use my dedicate 5V supply with 3.3 linear regulator but my local shop doesn't sell those on saturdays... |
| 09:36.43 | PaulFertser | And no, i do not care about gsm yet. |
| 09:37.41 | quatrox | an old hard drive should give enough load while spinning |
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| 09:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | car 50W incandescent bulbs? |
| 09:39.20 | quatrox | as long as the bulbs work:) |
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| 09:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | or 10pcs 33R 0.5 |
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| 09:44.47 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm not EE, not enough junk here at home ;) but an old hard drive sounds most reasonable. |
| 09:45.02 | quatrox | DocScrutinizer: he wants to power his phone, not create a heaven with stars :D |
| 09:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | HD for 3V3? o.O |
| 09:45.58 | quatrox | HD for 5V |
| 09:48.10 | quatrox | just to give the PSU some load |
| 09:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: add a load to 5 V as well |
| 09:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | please read carefully |
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| 09:50.43 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i do, i hoped that HDD will add 5V load. |
| 09:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | but not to 3v3 |
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| 09:51.58 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i understand... |
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| 09:58.31 | PaulFertser | Booting the latest SHR with bare minimum (only udev, getty and dropbear) on gta01 from uSD takes 52s from PWR button press up to login prompt on LCD. |
| 09:59.15 | quatrox | that is a lot of time |
| 09:59.45 | quatrox | is that because of udev? |
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| 10:00.54 | lindi- | PaulFertser: have you tried new dependency based boot sequence on debian? I'm afraid to try :) |
| 10:01.47 | PaulFertser | lindi-: no, not really interested yet |
| 10:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: (3V3) you won't believe but often 3V3 isn't regulated at all |
| 10:04.42 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i can imagine that, especially given that there're power supplies for the most essential parts on MB itself. |
| 10:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 10:05.20 | PaulFertser | quatrox: for whatever reason timestamps in gta01 are not enabled, so no good idea. |
| 10:06.25 | quatrox | PaulFertser: did you use uboot or Qi? |
| 10:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, look at your bootscreen ;-P |
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| 10:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | a stupid question: when is fso started in boot init? is it by any chance depending on X? |
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| 10:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | and can't we get rid of udev for the most of non-volatile devices? |
| 10:18.03 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: you mean frameworkd? |
| 10:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 10:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | of course |
| 10:19.56 | PaulFertser | quatrox: Qi |
| 10:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | just too long. I'm lazy ;-) |
| 10:20.08 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no |
| 10:20.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ophonekitd is started with X though |
| 10:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 10:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | but modem could start muuuuch earlier |
| 10:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | its a nuissance you have to wait even longer for pin query than for illume screen |
| 10:22.18 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: request the GSM resource earlier in boot sequence and kill it some time after starting ophonekitd, probably will work. |
| 10:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 10:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | that's nearly what I thought as well |
| 10:25.13 | lindi- | my phone registers to gsm network even before i login through xdm |
| 10:25.21 | lindi- | so yes, it works |
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| 10:26.29 | PaulFertser | lindi-: but you do it the other way, we're talking about fso-way here ;) |
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| 10:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, time-to-illume: 2:20, time to pin-query: 3:20 |
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| 10:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | that's really *bad*, as you have to keep standing on the pavement watching your screen for 3,5minutes, just to enter the pin and then stow away device |
| 10:37.02 | quatrox | I guess it could be reduced to 1:20 |
| 10:37.04 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i've never used pin, but probably you can't disable it with some carriers, idk. |
| 10:37.15 | lindi- | PaulFertser: you can always store the pin in the device |
| 10:37.36 | PaulFertser | lindi-: sure... |
| 10:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 10:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | rather implement a decent user account management, plus standard auth meassures |
| 10:39.38 | shrini | need help on SHR |
| 10:39.45 | shrini | i can not ssh |
| 10:39.52 | shrini | it is not accepting password |
| 10:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: there's no pw by default |
| 10:40.38 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: yes. but it is not acceptinb blank password too |
| 10:40.54 | quatrox | ssh -l root |
| 10:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: make sure you log in to 192.168.0.202 |
| 10:41.27 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 10:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | and a root, like quatrox mentions |
| 10:41.39 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: I do as ssh root@192.168.0.202 |
| 10:41.53 | shrini | it is asking password |
| 10:41.58 | shrini | i just give ENTER |
| 10:42.01 | shrini | no use |
| 10:42.07 | shrini | it is asking me 3 times |
| 10:42.11 | shrini | and quits |
| 10:42.32 | quatrox | problems with the shell? |
| 10:42.38 | shrini | no |
| 10:42.45 | quatrox | (on the fr) |
| 10:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | make sure 202 is actually FR, not your own host |
| 10:42.58 | shrini | haha |
| 10:43.15 | shrini | my ip address is 10.0.150.14 |
| 10:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: just *try* your hosts root-pw |
| 10:43.41 | shrini | oh |
| 10:43.59 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: should work OK. Check that the voltage is in fact correct first. |
| 10:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: try this script: people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh |
| 10:45.31 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: thanks for suggestion, but DocScrutinizer thinks that i need to put additional 1A load on 5V and 3.3V to be real safe and his reasoning sounds convincing to me. |
| 10:45.39 | PaulFertser | Probably i'll resort to sleeping instead :-/ |
| 10:45.50 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: let me try |
| 10:46.06 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: Not for all PSUs - some are fine with no load - if the 3.3V is accurate without - it is fine |
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| 10:46.28 | shrini | there is no usb0 here |
| 10:46.35 | shrini | only eth2 |
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| 10:46.54 | PaulFertser | shrini: so what? |
| 10:47.00 | SpeedEvil | old interfacename is old. |
| 10:47.22 | shrini | PaulFertser: in script: people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh, DEV=usb0 |
| 10:47.39 | Gandapostrophe | hi ! |
| 10:48.08 | quatrox | shrini: replace it with DEV=eth2 |
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| 10:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: neo-ssh eth7 |
| 10:49.02 | quatrox | PaulFertser: is there any plans to fix the bug and use usb0 again? |
| 10:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: err, sudo neo-ssh ethX |
| 10:49.25 | lindi- | quatrox: it's not really a bug afaik |
| 10:49.43 | PaulFertser | quatrox: it not a bug!!! |
| 10:49.50 | DocScrutinizer | quatrox: don't suggest nonsense without reading source first ;-) |
| 10:49.54 | quatrox | lindi-: no? Isn't it an incorrect MAC? |
| 10:49.58 | PaulFertser | We discussed it hundreds of times! |
| 10:50.57 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: Wow |
| 10:51.02 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: It worked |
| 10:51.10 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: Thanks a lot guys |
| 10:51.13 | shrini | :-) |
| 10:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: so what. in script also checks for $1 |
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| 10:51.53 | lindi- | quatrox: yes both sides seem to have the same mac |
| 10:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | you *may* edit DEV=, or you simply give dev as cmd parameter |
| 10:52.38 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: that script worked for me |
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| 10:52.48 | PaulFertser | lindi-: (same mac on both sides) it was fixed in Qi in May. |
| 10:52.50 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: better just use udev to give persistent name to your device |
| 10:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: hahahahaha |
| 10:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: I consider using stickers to write the persistent undividual names to all devices |
| 10:54.26 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yeah but i don't want to risk breaking anything in my boot loader to fix this :) |
| 10:54.42 | PaulFertser | then do not |
| 10:56.05 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6e08102520f2 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Message: fix deleting messages without MessageRead and Direction fields (most often messages from SIM backend) |
| 10:58.45 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r1a7ce1710876 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/docs/TODO: opimd: update TODO |
| 10:58.47 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r64cce4a79877 10framework/framework/subsystems/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'dos/opimd-tracking' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking |
| 10:58.49 | lindi- | PaulFertser: 'git clone http://git.openmoko.org/git/qi; git log' shows that the last change is 2008 -- has Qi been relocated somewhere? |
| 10:59.14 | PaulFertser | lindi-: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=summary |
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| 11:00.35 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yeah that's what I read and tried to clone it with 'git clone http://git.openmoko.org/git/qi' |
| 11:01.14 | PaulFertser | lindi-: ah, git://git.openmoko.org/git/qi.git |
| 11:01.45 | lindi- | PaulFertser: that works, can you do something to http giving you older data? |
| 11:02.39 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: need help |
| 11:02.49 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: I logged into neo |
| 11:02.51 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes, i can ask roh to add git-update-server-info to the commit hook and to run it manually once |
| 11:02.52 | shrini | but |
| 11:02.56 | Gandapostrophe | anybody knows where i can find QtExtended 4.4.3 ? |
| 11:02.57 | shrini | can not connect to internet |
| 11:03.13 | PaulFertser | shrini: stop trolling please |
| 11:03.28 | shrini | PaulFertser: sorry |
| 11:03.30 | PaulFertser | shrini: you can read elsewhere about using your host as network bridge/NAT |
| 11:03.41 | PaulFertser | shrini: including OM wiki (though it sucks). |
| 11:03.49 | shrini | PaulFertser: sure |
| 11:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: also where you found neo-ssh there are a few other scripts as well |
| 11:04.27 | PaulFertser | shrini: FR is nothing special, just a GNU/Linux box, regular methods apply... |
| 11:05.03 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: where are the other scripts? |
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| 11:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: http://pastebin.com/f5a49aa4 |
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| 11:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: and you need to check with your firewall as well, not to have rules in there that explicitly block traffic to / from FR |
| 11:22.31 | SpeedEvil | I think it was someone in here - but I forget who and I have no logs - that pointed me to a page detailing an effort on compressed swap - including merging identical pages - which I'd seen before - and creating binary diffs - for almost matching pages. |
| 11:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: the two last lines are for DNS and assume you have "nameserver 192.168.0.200" in your FR /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:22.56 | SpeedEvil | I don't seem to have bookmarked - and can't seem to find though. |
| 11:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: if you have /etc/resolv.conf with the (default) free DNS IP in there, you probably won't need those two PREROUTING lines |
| 11:24.27 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: I have routing issues |
| 11:24.51 | shrini | DocScrutinizer: I can ping my host, but not other websites |
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| 11:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: check your /var/log/messages (or ./firewall, or whereever your FW logs to) for BLOCKED logs source:192.168.0.202 |
| 11:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | shrini: for *test* *temporaraily* disable your firewall on host, and give all lines from pastebin above once again (disabling FW probably will reset them) |
| 11:28.42 | DocScrutinizer | then, on host find IP of a wellknown site (host google.com), n FR try pinging that IP (*not* an URL) |
| 11:29.48 | SpeedEvil | Or even telnet 64.71.163.206 |
| 11:29.50 | SpeedEvil | or something |
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| 14:16.32 | naeg | hi all |
| 14:17.30 | SpeedEvil | h |
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| 15:44.31 | dos1 | someone wants to test new SHR images? |
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| 15:53.37 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf1c199da3a2a 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 15:53.37 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio: remove GetSupportedFormats() |
| 15:53.37 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: This info is available via GetInfo |
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| 15:58.07 | tag8tag | dos1: got an url ? |
| 15:59.29 | dos1 | tag8tag: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 16:00.13 | tag8tag | dos1: ../om-gta01/ available ? |
| 16:00.32 | tag8tag | seems ok |
| 16:00.33 | dos1 | no, i built today only om-gta02 images |
| 16:00.53 | tag8tag | ok, i try to convert the gra02 img |
| 16:00.59 | dos1 | tag8tag: do you want om-gta01 images? |
| 16:01.04 | dos1 | noo, don't play with converting |
| 16:01.09 | dos1 | i'll build gta01 images |
| 16:01.36 | tag8tag | ok |
| 16:02.54 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r90115e7b9fd6 10/src/ (6 files): regen |
| 16:15.46 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: Psi: unmodified gta01 fully running up to tty1 prompt, nothing is supposed to be enabled, backlight maximum: 257, backlight off: 161, suspend to ram: 19 (removing uSD doesn't change it). |
| 16:20.17 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: the good news: after "poweroff" it turns off fully, nothing consumed. |
| 16:21.07 | dos1 | nice to hear someone works on gta01 :) |
| 16:21.37 | dos1 | i don't have gta01, but that proves FLOSS power :D |
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| 16:31.53 | SpeedEvil | interesting |
| 16:32.03 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: that's mW? |
| 16:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | heh dos1 didn't you know paul is greatest supporter of gta01 ever? he even fought a long tesious struggle to get one of those critters finaly |
| 16:32.39 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: i know, but now finally he got it so he can do real things ;) |
| 16:32.43 | dos1 | s/real/more real/ |
| 16:33.00 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 16:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: could you check with backlight off? |
| 16:34.01 | dos1 | SpeedEvil: i suppose mA |
| 16:34.08 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: "backlight off: 161" |
| 16:35.02 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, where did I miss this? |
| 16:35.18 | SpeedEvil | I ask as I recall 100mA or so as the minimum I got it to |
| 16:37.10 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: with backlight off and LCM physically disconnected it's 133 |
| 16:37.17 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: sorry, mA |
| 16:37.26 | PaulFertser | Should have mentioned of course. |
| 16:37.40 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: IIRC that was underclocked to 60MHz - and some parts undervolted - nothing disconnected |
| 16:38.35 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: yeah, i remember your results. |
| 16:38.50 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i'm posting here just to make sure that my experiments are in line with what others saw. |
| 16:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: that sounds really harsh compared to the 77mA I get on FR |
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| 16:39.58 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yep, it does.. |
| 16:40.35 | SpeedEvil | Also - what bat volts |
| 16:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: could you power up gsm without sim, and check how much that changes things |
| 16:41.02 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: sure |
| 16:41.23 | SpeedEvil | I assume that's audio amp disabled - and GSM off? |
| 16:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: audio doesn't eat much |
| 16:42.01 | SpeedEvil | IIRC 15mA for the amp |
| 16:42.07 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: well... that's why i say my results are very preliminar, i'm using battery and i didn't measure the voltage while running yet. I'm going to hook up a proper PSU pretty soon to have consistent readings. |
| 16:42.31 | SpeedEvil | Or was it 30 - it's been a while |
| 16:43.32 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: stock andy-tracking booted, no idea about the amp (yet). |
| 16:44.45 | SpeedEvil | It used to show up in alsamixer - turnon/off |
| 16:45.01 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i know, and it's controlled over i2c. |
| 16:45.47 | naeg | hey PaulFertser |
| 16:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you included my yesterdays readings on FR to your table? 77mA on all off, bl to 8% (next to illegibly dark). GPS = ~60mA on top of that |
| 16:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | gsm standby 8mA / 15mA is already a welknown value, regarding how frequently I quoted myself on that |
| 16:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | (that's on german O2 network) |
| 16:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | bbl, time for brunch+dinner |
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| 16:55.55 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: excellent guess! Really! |
| 16:56.16 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: when i turned off the AMP, the current was down to 123 and suspend current to 6-7. |
| 16:56.38 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: also i saw that all my reported results are with BT on, for whatever reason i couldn't turn it off yet. |
| 16:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 16:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | rip it out |
| 16:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 16:57.09 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: heh :) |
| 16:57.24 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: u-boot supported booting in 60MHz mode - which was easy - I then simply undervolted using the _volt files |
| 16:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | kick that sh*t, we won't need it |
| 16:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
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| 16:58.25 | SpeedEvil | (to get to ~100mA) |
| 16:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | uSD? |
| 16:59.05 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i tried removing uSD during suspend -- no influence. |
| 16:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | nah, my measurements also were with SD |
| 16:59.38 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: will try to power on the modem now |
| 16:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | so fix my values like 77mA by ""incl uSD"" |
| 17:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you try to make me die from starvation? |
| 17:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | sits waiting, with shoes and coat on |
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| 17:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | didamdidam.... |
| 17:04.14 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: rise from 123 to 150 |
| 17:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | grunts a duett with his stomach |
| 17:04.36 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: go eat something, we'll have enough time for fun later :D |
| 17:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so at least no *lower* consumption ;-) |
| 17:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | cya, bbl |
| 17:05.47 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: the voltage as reported by the device itself is ~3.7V |
| 17:06.04 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 17:06.15 | SpeedEvil | goes out to dig up more rocks. |
| 17:06.16 | SpeedEvil | wave. |
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| 19:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | roh: Do I remember correctly there's a big OM-users/devels meeting on this years' Chaos Communication Congress? |
| 19:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/ |
| 19:14.39 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i know about CCC |
| 19:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | join? |
| 19:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's fun! |
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| 19:16.51 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: quite possibly |
| 19:18.12 | UberNeo | all solutions of #1024 fix at www.neofundas.blogspot.com |
| 19:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | aha |
| 19:18.40 | UberNeo | please correct me if something is wrong in this blog |
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| 19:20.14 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: but i'd need that stupid visa stuff again, and airplane ticket... well, airplane ticket is easy, visa shouldn't be too hard either... so, possibly. It'll be very cool to meet you and other cool folks in RL again. |
| 19:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | yes, definitely. Let me know if I can help on the visa stuff. But I think it went smoothly for you |
| 19:21.22 | PaulFertser | UberNeo: for gta02 wifi module should be disconnected before dismounting the can. |
| 19:21.45 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: that time yes, thanks to an excellent fax from LinuxHotel. |
| 19:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I will manafe to get you a similar fax any time ;-) |
| 19:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | manage even |
| 19:22.31 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: got a personal hotel? ;) |
| 19:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | I know a few |
| 19:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | also know some companies |
| 19:23.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: well, visa is solvable, that is cool. :D |
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| 19:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: how longdoes visa hold valid? |
| 19:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | I once had a visa for USA which was valid infinitely |
| 19:26.03 | DocScrutinizer | (from a time Germans needed a visa for USA) |
| 19:26.08 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: depends on particular visa. The last one that was given me by german embassy was valid only for that 9-10 days i was going to spend. I asked for 9 days, i got 9 days. |
| 19:26.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: also visas can be multi-entry and single-entry. |
| 19:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | fsk, those meanies |
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| 19:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | think we can get business invitation from FSO |
| 19:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | they are legal entity by now afaik |
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| 19:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | also we might check with CCC directly. Think they seen this mess before ;-) |
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| 19:31.27 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yes, i don't think it'll be a major problem anyway |
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| 19:42.46 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: btw, i've left gta01 suspended for ~2 hours and now i unsuspended it and it was white screen. Forcing blanking made it black, unblanking -- white again. Only suspending and resuming again helped. Probably jbt troubles, i hope they're all solved by larsc. |
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| 19:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | surely jbt6k trouble. Nice to hear suspend recovers it. That idicates to me we finally got it right with PMU power sequencing |
| 19:44.45 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: and while running even with the display blank it consumes about 25mA, disconnecting it makes it go away. |
| 19:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like jbt6k lockup |
| 19:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | spinning idle in some senseless loop |
| 19:45.39 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no, with the display working |
| 19:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 19:45.50 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: my last message not related to wsod. |
| 19:46.25 | DocScrutinizer | that damn too much I'd say |
| 19:46.33 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: just that when everything is working and i turn off the backlight and/or blank the screen, it is still higher than when i physically disconnect the LCM. |
| 19:46.43 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: just observations... |
| 19:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | sure there is no pullup/down collision? |
| 19:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | like a GPIO that should be input is actually output |
| 19:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | nah, wait. We also got ts there |
| 19:48.04 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: luckily i'm equipped with Werner's gpio utility that works ok on 2410 and also his pmu utility that works on gta01 with minor modification. |
| 19:48.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yes, the TS is what i thought about already. |
| 19:48.37 | PaulFertser | Without looking at schematics tbh but yes. And it should remain functional obviously, even when the display is blanked. |
| 19:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | iirc we got some weird circuitry on 01-ts |
| 19:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | maybe can't use same driver as 02 |
| 19:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | look for some bipolar transistors |
| 19:50.14 | dos1 | tag8tag: images built |
| 19:50.26 | dos1 | http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta01/ |
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| 19:51.36 | zuka | How to add startx -- vt1 to default runlevel |
| 19:52.19 | PaulFertser | tag8tag: for "ultimate" suspend performance on gta01 there's already a quick fix discovered: disable external amp with alsamixer or amixer before suspending. |
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| 19:54.25 | UberNeo | what is that low volume problem in A7 ..any description somewhere |
| 19:55.01 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i see, on gta02 they're connected directly. |
| 19:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: R3004 R3005 = 1uF in A7 |
| 19:57.03 | UberNeo | DocScrutinizer : any detailed desc anywhere |
| 19:57.21 | PaulFertser | UberNeo: there was some on community ML i wrote |
| 19:57.30 | PaulFertser | UberNeo: search the community ML for those Rs |
| 19:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: that's a comprehensive description basically |
| 19:57.39 | UberNeo | okays |
| 19:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: they should be 0R but are 1uF |
| 19:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | to "fix" simply short them. Use solder or silver varnish |
| 20:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: if you find black components in place of those R3004/5 then you have correct 0R. If you find yellowish components you probably have 1uF and might consider shorting their contacts from one end to other |
| 20:03.59 | UberNeo | DocScrutinizer : Does A6 have this prob |
| 20:04.06 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: so it looks like TS can consume current all the time, reasonable explanation, consistent with pnp/npn "weird" circuity i see on schem. |
| 20:04.23 | PaulFertser | UberNeo: nobody knows which do and which don't. My A6 doesn.t |
| 20:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: people with 0R report they may actually have "too loud" volume on earpiece. Those with 1uF complain about too low volume with max setting of mixer control |
| 20:05.33 | UberNeo | ohh ..so its means it doesn't depend on Hardware version ..it only depends on luck |
| 20:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: (A6) not conclusive. Nobody can reconstruct the info |
| 20:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: so you need to check by listening to device, after adjusting your alsa mixer controls |
| 20:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | or by looking at he color of those buggers |
| 20:06.49 | UberNeo | DocScrutinizer : may be once you told me that all A7 have |
| 20:06.56 | UberNeo | that problem |
| 20:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | it's told there's no A7 been seen with 0R |
| 20:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | there are A6 both versions definitely |
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| 20:13.14 | PaulFertser | Hm, official intel utility for flashing bios and other flashable parts in server motherboards has this curious line in readme: |
| 20:13.20 | PaulFertser | ``Drivers and Utilities are provided in ".zip" format (compatible with "tar").'' |
| 20:13.25 | PaulFertser | WTF? |
| 20:14.26 | mjr | curious |
| 20:14.36 | mjr | probably they're just clueless |
| 20:14.46 | mjr | but I wonder if it might be possible to do just that |
| 20:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: (ts) check GPG12..15 |
| 20:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | and don't feel confused by wrong offsheet symbols ;-) |
| 20:15.43 | mjr | a tar which has a zip directory at the end pointing to the uncompressed data... well, I don't know enough details |
| 20:15.58 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i will, probably tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. |
| 20:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: they are just to document level of insight at TPE |
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| 20:18.39 | PaulFertser | mjr: http://paste.debian.net/45880/ |
| 20:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | zip LOL |
| 20:19.48 | mjr | PaulFertser, very well :] |
| 20:32.21 | tag8tag | nice dos1 have build a full img for gta01 :) |
| 20:33.04 | PaulFertser | tag8tag: seen my suspend current hint? |
| 20:33.17 | tag8tag | PaulFertser: since im under experiment with alsa, i'll not disable the amp, but thanks btw |
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| 20:34.11 | tag8tag | im stil using my old cellphone, gta01 is always on usb for now |
| 20:34.30 | PaulFertser | tag8tag: disable the amp just before suspend, reenable after. |
| 20:34.36 | PaulFertser | tag8tag: ah, i see |
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| 20:38.26 | tag8tag | PaulFertser: midi control is on good way, I've found a nice kernel module, usb-gadget-MIDI |
| 20:38.46 | PaulFertser | tag8tag: what are you going to control? |
| 20:39.17 | PaulFertser | tag8tag: btw, there're still some problems with gadgets, e.g. filestorage doesn't always work (surprisingly, it works only with my home desktop). |
| 20:39.48 | tag8tag | control any music soft with midi support |
| 20:41.09 | tag8tag | PaulFertser: haven't tried the gadget, maybe tomorrow |
| 20:42.27 | PaulFertser | tag8tag: i lack usecase for that but i still wish you good luck with it ;) |
| 20:44.12 | tag8tag | PaulFertser: hehe, i've compiled portmidi and wanted to make a package since it wasnt on repositories |
| 20:44.28 | tag8tag | PaulFertser: but who need a midi lib on openmoko ? :p |
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| 22:37.06 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3aa50a2d544d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: fix dbus signature in GetMultipleResults |
| 22:37.07 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * re3ba43546004 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: fix possible traceback on deleting |
| 22:37.08 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r82f70de87ae3 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_tasks.py): opimd: Tasks: fix UnfinishedTasks |
| 22:37.09 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r4acbd906741f 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_tasks.py: opimd: Tasks: fix Update |
| 22:38.08 | CIA-7 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r11e070ee17e9 10/ (examples/eina/eina.vala vapi/eina.vapi vapi/elm.vapi): eina.vapi: remove subsystem init/shutdown functions as per upstream SVN rev 42300 |
| 22:49.32 | SeligArkin | I either just made a very smart use of netcat to transfer files, or am royaly fraking up this directory. >.> |
| 22:49.51 | SeligArkin | moko: tar cz includes lib | nc -l -p 1234 |
| 22:50.06 | SeligArkin | lappy: nc <moko> 1234 | tar xz |
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