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03:06.21*** topic/#openmoko is Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join #openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 | Recommended SHR: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.*
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05:45.00slaxxerhttp://www.magicjacksupport.com/howto-openwrt-mjmd5-w-multiple-ata-s-screenshots-t7029.html
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09:10.55Graf_Ithakahi there :)
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09:53.38naeghowdy all
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10:04.47agg1nroot@192.168.0.202's password:
10:04.47agg1nPermission denied, please try again.
10:05.02agg1nwtf?!
10:06.47Kessh <your-username>@192.168.0.202
10:07.14Kemost civilized systems have root-login via ssh disabled
10:07.43Ke(or all)
10:08.00Ke!
10:08.03agg1nyes, but this error never occured before i upgraded my shr-u yesterday
10:08.16Meomerexcept for most shr or FR dists :)
10:08.43Keuncivlized distros =o(
10:08.56Meomerit used to be default to login as root without pw on shr after install
10:09.15Kehahah
10:09.26Meomerbecause the dropbear sshd is limited to the usb interface
10:09.28Kewonder if someone rooted my om2009 already
10:09.36Keok
10:10.50Meomeri haven't followed development the past few weeks, but i don't think they switched over to openssh
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10:43.37skamster____hey peobles, i want to create a bluetooth-application for the openmoko, which should make the filetransfer working in a easy way..
10:44.05skamster____i made this on my laptop and want to transfer some files into moko to test it
10:44.56skamster____but i've got strange exceptions.. i don't know if this is because of the obex-server on the moko.. so does someone know how i could enable a logger?
10:45.04skamster____would be very nice!
10:45.06skamster____:)
10:45.27PaulFertserskamster____: a logger of what?
10:45.34skamster____of the obex-server
10:45.51skamster____to look, if the obex-server realy denie my access..
10:45.55skamster____as example
10:46.07skamster____lightblue._obexcommon.OBEXError: server denied the Put request
10:46.34skamster____here i testet to send a pdf-file, but why the server should denie my access?
10:47.07skamster____in the shr manual it's written, the server does recive everything..
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10:47.22SpeedEvilstrace?
10:48.04skamster____no, it would just be nice to see, if the server REALY said, it's denied..
10:48.06skamster____as example
10:48.15skamster____or if the failure is in my app
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10:49.44PaulFertserskamster____: are you sure obex-server is bluez4-compatible
10:50.39skamster____mmh.. isn't bluez for scanning and obex for filetransfer and something like? i don't know exactly..
10:50.54skamster____but if, then it mustn't be compitable, i think
10:51.15PaulFertserskamster____: ok, let me explain this
10:51.37skamster____ok
10:52.09PaulFertserskamster____: bluez4 performs as sdp server itself, it provides list of services available.
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10:52.13skamster____ah, and i could transfer one little file.. just not a second
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10:52.58PaulFertserskamster____: so whenever you start obex-server it should ask local bluez4 to add a obex-object-push to the list of the services available.
10:53.53PaulFertserskamster____: you can get a list of services provided by "sdptool browse" started from your PC.
10:55.29PaulFertserskamster____: if you can transfer one file but can't second, probably your SDP records are good but either obex-server is doing something wrong on your app. You can try another obex-server to test. Or look at obex-server's sources...
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10:56.30skamster____mmh, yeah, but i ask me, if it's from my laptop-obex or from the moko-server
10:56.40skamster____lightblue._obexcommon.OBEXError: server denied the Put request
10:58.06PaulFertserskamster____: do you know you can do networking over bluetooth and just scp files?
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11:00.43skamster____yeah, but scp isn't my target, because it's not bluetooth
11:00.59skamster____(i think you mean filetransfer over ssh?)
11:02.07PaulFertserskamster____: i mean you establish networking over bluetooth wireless and then transfer files the usual way.
11:02.36PaulFertserskamster____: obex is nasty and limited compared to that.
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11:04.10skamster____mmh, oke.. are there some python-librarys for that?
11:05.08skamster____ehm, and.. how is this then with other mobilephones?
11:05.08skamster____is this compatible
11:05.08PaulFertserskamster____: for using scp or for configuring bluetooth networking?
11:05.08skamster____?
11:05.13PaulFertserskamster____: well, winmobile supports bluetooth networking, dumb phones usually do not.
11:05.47skamster____mmh, there's a little bit my problem.. i want to share files with every bluetooth-phone..
11:06.08skamster____but there's no alternative to obex?
11:06.22PaulFertserskamster____: in this case i think yes, no alternative
11:06.33skamster____damn..
11:07.21PaulFertserskamster____: doesn't "blueman" app already supports all you need?
11:07.52skamster____is this for the openmoko?
11:08.11PaulFertserskamster____: it's a gui app supposed to work everywhere bluez4 runs...
11:08.26skamster____ah, ok..
11:08.46skamster____i try it.. would be great, if it works..
11:08.48skamster____:)
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11:12.49skamster____but do you mean, it's useable on the openmoko-screen?
11:14.33PaulFertserskamster____: have never tried it actually anywhere since i prefer hardcore console way of doing things. But i guess if you try and report it'll be appreciated. BTW, instead of trying it on FR itself (to avoid compiling from source), just start a nested xserver on your host with 480x640 dimensions and run it from there.
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11:17.15skamster____ah, and yes, as i see, the obex-server is always crashing..
11:17.32skamster____because of this, i think, it always denied my access
11:17.35Heinervdmskamster____: i sent a patch to shr-devel, to add pybluez to the feed
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11:18.57skamster____thx
11:18.59skamster____:)
11:19.36skamster____i also detect lightblue, it's a really good python-library to send files and something like (depends on pybluez)
11:20.12skamster____with pybluez you must use sockets, and these arent realy good documentated, as i see
11:20.20skamster____(on pybluez)
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12:04.29skamster____Heinervdm: could you also commit my last changes for internationalisation in opimd-messages?
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12:06.17Heinervdmskamster____: opimd-messages is dos1's script, so he should commit it
12:07.12skamster____mh, oke.. :)
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12:47.19pikodoes anybody know what package /etc/frameworkd.conf is in? (SHR) does not seem to be frameworkd
12:49.19pikooh there is a frameworkd-config  package
12:49.32Heinervdmpiko: it's in frameworkd-config-shr
12:50.09pikoHeinervdm: thanks :)
12:50.20pikoHeinervdm: i did something which results in my phone freezing up
12:50.24_janopkg search /etc/frameworkd.conf would have helped you :)
12:50.46pikoi dont know why, it has to do with the idle timeout/suspend
12:50.50piko_jan: thanks :)
12:51.12piko_jan: i never understood what the search option was there for i use list|grep foo
12:51.37_jansearch <file|regexp>            Search for a package providing <file>
12:51.38_jan;)
12:51.59_janno problem
12:52.29piko_jan: i tried it without the path i think
12:52.40pikoanother time
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12:53.13pikook gotta reboot the phone bye
12:53.22pikothanks
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15:19.25Daramarakwould it be difficult to create an application that works like fsoraw, but that releases resources when the application is on another desktop?
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15:27.00poki_Xglamo eats up 100% of my cpu :(
15:28.12larscdon't use it then
15:28.50SpeedEvilpoki_: when doing what?
15:29.22poki_SpeedEvil: not sure yet, SHR just went to 100 and my screen froze but i could still ssh
15:29.33poki_killed it and restarted works ok now
15:29.45poki_will keep a eye on it and try to reproduce it
15:32.28poki_SpeedEvil: its been overall buggy for a while now, i get segfaults from enlightenment, suspend has been a issue causing freezes, and now Xglamo
15:33.04poki_i fixed some issues like 16bit engine causing segfaults, and i got a fresh frameworkd.conf
15:33.13poki_to sort the suspend issues
15:33.36poki_*sort out
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15:37.21slaxxeropkg upgrade?
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15:41.00LiL_mr-tis it necessary to use neotools in order to install a bootloader or can the same task be carried out from the command line?
15:41.25slaxxeryup
15:41.39slaxxerdfu-utilities
15:42.07slaxxeru dont need neo tools
15:43.15LiL_mr-tcheers slaxxer.
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16:15.45LiL_mr-tis it necessary to activate any sim card with the provider in a secondary phone before inserting into the freerunner?
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16:19.35CIA-7freesmartphone.org: libfsoframework: define fso_shutdown_function that gets called (if present) during shutdown of a plugin
16:19.35CIA-7freesmartphone.org: plugins should use that to save persistent data in order to improve restarting
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16:34.17LiL_mr-tis qi the default bootloader on a7 version freerunners?
16:35.58lindi-LiL_mr-t: no idea, does it matter?
16:37.50LiL_mr-tlindi-, just received a new freerunner and reading through the wiki it mentions using qi bootloader for speed.
16:38.33LiL_mr-tlindi-, i basically want to use the freerunner as a mobile phone, not much more and gather i need to do some installing first?
16:38.51lindi-LiL_mr-t: hmm?
16:40.16LiL_mr-tlindi-, do i need to follow the wiki and install a new bootloader, updating the firmware and installing a new distro or am i good to go out of the box, basically?
16:41.22lindi-LiL_mr-t: you need a a lot of patience :)
16:41.37lindi-LiL_mr-t: but yes, take a look at the bug report about the calypso firmware upgrade
16:41.40LiL_mr-t:) right
16:42.09lindi-LiL_mr-t: you know what calypso is, right? ;)
16:44.05LiL_mr-tlindi-, nope! from my reading of the wiki, i've come up with the notion that i should install qi as the bootloader, make sure my firmware is moko11 and use the SHR distro...
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16:45.39lindi-LiL_mr-t: do not trust wiki blindly
16:45.51lindi-LiL_mr-t: some people hype Qi, some don't :P
16:46.12lindi-LiL_mr-t: but calypso gsm firmware you _do_ need to update if you want reliable phone calls with suspend, that is a fact
16:46.41LiL_mr-tlindi-, yes reliable phone calls is a must :)
16:47.41lindi-LiL_mr-t: anyways, you need a lot of patience and time to learn
16:48.47LiL_mr-twill do lindi-. so far i've stuck a sdcard in it and a sim. should i format the sdcard first as ext2 or similar and then stick it in the freerunner?
16:49.04PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: in my opinion expecting FR to be a reliable phone is unreasonable even today.
16:49.40PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: you can do everything you need with the SD card from FR itself, after booting it from NAND.
16:51.02LiL_mr-tPaulFerster, thanks. would you say for receiving and making calls the FR is not reliable then at present?
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16:53.44PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: i'd say it's not nearly as reliable as most dumb cellphones out there.
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16:55.01LiL_mr-tPaulFerster... ahh! ;) well hopefully it will suffice to the point of making my wife believe it is! (jeez, i'm in trouble if it doesn't!!!)
16:55.59PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: hope you have enough unix experience to manage it...
16:57.02LiL_mr-tPaulFerster... so do i... =-O
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16:58.23PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: (bootloaders) i prefer Qi because code is simple and small, it has no environment and so it is more predictable and is less hassle to support.
16:58.25pikowerd
16:58.26pikoweird
16:58.35pikokeeps happening
16:58.58PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: GSM/Flashing wikipage i'd say mandatory
16:59.32PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: use SHR unstable but be prepared that in case something happens and you update "at the wrong time" you can loose some functionality temporarily.
17:00.37pikoPaulFertser: perhaps i upgraded at the wrong time
17:00.59PaulFertserpiko: perhaps you're still using Xglamo instead of x.org, that's the main problem ;)
17:01.16pikoim using what SHR was installed with
17:01.26piko*came installed with
17:01.42LiL_mr-tcheers PaulFerster. i'll take my time and hopefully get things working to a fairly satisfactory state.
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17:02.57pikoPaulFertser: why do you prefer xorg
17:03.08pikois it not slower? and without the graphics support
17:04.11PaulFertserasks all users that reported problems with Wifi and the latest kernel to update (a new kernel with the controversial patch removed) to retest using recommended (FSO_resources wikipage) and other widely used ways. Report the results here to me or open tickets with how-to reproduce instruction at OM trac (category system software).
17:04.23PaulFertserpiko: xorg without graphics support? lol
17:04.52pikosorry not without but slower
17:05.27pikowithout the optimizations
17:05.36PaulFertserpiko: it's not, it's stable and fast and supported. Unlike xglamo which nobody touched for about a year.
17:05.50pikois it in shr?
17:05.57PaulFertserpiko: i hope so
17:07.09pikoPaulFertser: does not look like it (default)
17:07.34PaulFertserpiko: default doesn't always mean best choice
17:07.47pikoi meant in the default repo
17:07.58pikoi dont want to mix because ive had alot of issues with that
17:08.06pikoangstrom + shr == b0rk
17:08.15pikoopkg + shr == b0rk
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17:18.46PaulFertserpiko: well, probably it's not available in shr... You shr users should have demanded it harder...
17:19.41pikocannot demand things from others who do it in their free time.
17:19.59pikobut i will look into it, thanks
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17:20.28Undrwaterdemanded what?
17:20.41PaulFertserUndrwater: packaging xf86-glamo driver
17:21.06Undrwaterhow is that different then the current?
17:21.27PaulFertserUndrwater: you mean it's already packaged? Then please tell piko how to install it.
17:21.41LiL_mr-tPaulFertser: any reason why the bootloader directory recommends the uImage-2.6.28-stable for the gta02? i'm just about to download qi you see...
17:22.24PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: well, currently i recommend using the kernel from shr-unstable, it's the latest and the greatest.
17:22.40Undrwatershr has xserver-kdrive-glamo
17:23.02PaulFertserUndrwater: kdrive is old, deprecated and it's buggy and sucks.
17:23.13Undrwaterahhh...
17:23.48Undrwateris it non-trivial to build xf86-glamo?
17:23.59PaulFertserUndrwater: i guess it's not hard
17:24.24Undrwatersome distro is using it already?
17:24.37LiL_mr-tPaulFerster, so... qi for bootloader, moko11 for firmware and shr-unstable for distro, have i got that right?
17:24.43PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: yes
17:24.55LiL_mr-tcheers
17:25.11bumblUndrwater: if you refer to thomas driver supporting kms then i don't think so
17:25.16bumblas itis not yet stable enoug
17:25.18bumblh
17:26.03Undrwaterbumbl: on the ML some folks seem to have no complaints...though thomas reports there are some problems...
17:26.28UndrwaterPaulFertser: is xf86-glamo available on a specific distro?
17:26.44PaulFertserUndrwater: it is available in Debian e.g.
17:27.12Undrwaterhmmm...
17:28.50Undrwatergentoo as well...interesting
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17:40.20UndrwaterPaulFertser: for clarification: fsoraw -r <resource>  <app> will use the resource so long as <app> is alive, then release the resource after it is closed / killed, correct?  No further argument needed?
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17:46.42CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rff1242d731be 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py:
17:46.42CIA-7freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: ignore empty alphanumerical provider strings (happening for new providers)
17:46.42CIA-7freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Clients should use the SIM issuer instead, if registered to the home network.
17:46.42CIA-7freesmartphone.org: For this you have to call org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetSimIssuer() though, hence
17:46.44CIA-7freesmartphone.org: for layering purposes, we're not allowed to do it transparently in GetStatus().
17:46.46CIA-7freesmartphone.org: Fixes FSO #465
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17:50.10PaulFertserUndrwater: yes, that's enough. But if you want to supply some arguments to <app> you need to add -- before it.
17:50.51PaulFertserUndrwater: and it's frameworkd that will release the resource, not fsoraw. Fsoraw just stays on dbus message bus. And as soon as it disappears from that, the resource will be released.
17:53.26Undrwatercool...is there a way to notify that an app has been using a resource after <n> <timeperiod>?
17:53.54Undrwateri had navit hidden last night and forgot about it...returned to a dead phone
17:57.57PaulFertserUndrwater: bash -c 'navit & sleep n; xmessage "blablabla"'
17:58.15PaulFertserUndrwater: btw, navit doesn't require fsoraw, it will contact fso-gpsd which requests the resource automatically.
17:59.30UndrwaterPaulFertser: ahhh...but it won't request Display :)
17:59.43PaulFertserUndrwater: yes :)
18:00.16Undrwatershr is using sh instead of bash...will that work just as well?
18:01.37PaulFertserUndrwater: shr is using busybox instead of bash. But it should still work.
18:02.19Undrwateris xmessage part of busybox?  it's not on my system and not available with the repo
18:03.35PaulFertserUndrwater: it's some common X utility
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18:27.47Undrwaterlast question (for the next 2 hours or so ;))  if an app is started with fsoraw (such as the navit example with Display), and i put the phone in suspend; what is the expected result?
18:29.00PaulFertserUndrwater: i guess expected result is suspend, if nobody's CPU resource requested at that time.
18:29.17Undrwaterwhat happens with Display, then?
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18:29.52PaulFertserUndrwater: well, the device is suspended, display is turned off
18:30.16Undrwaterbut not released, per se?
18:30.38LiL_mr-tok, managed to make a connection over usb, can ping the FR, however when i try and ssh into it, i get a connection refused response?
18:30.46PaulFertserUndrwater: not released, sure
18:30.49Undrwaterso if the phone came out of suspend, navit will restart, keeping Display available
18:31.03PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: are you sure you're pinging FR and not your host?
18:31.14PaulFertserUndrwater: navit will not restart, it will continue running.
18:31.55Undrwaterright...keep running...ok...that answers why my phone died...i suspended it, but someone called me...while the phone was in the car...
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18:32.22PaulFertserUndrwater: some folks use auto-suspend feature
18:32.53Undrwateras do i...but if Display is set, doesn't that bypass it?
18:33.11LiL_mr-twell, have run, "sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/22 dev usb0" and "sudo ip link set dev usb0 up", i ping 192.168.0.200 and get a response.
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18:34.01SeligArkinLiL_mr-t: .0.200 is the host. :P
18:34.13SeligArkin.0.202 is the phone
18:34.19LiL_mr-toops!
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18:34.33PaulFertserUndrwater: there probably was some bug about it, supposed to be solved by fsousaged (you need to specifically enable it instead of ousaged).
18:34.47LiL_mr-tapologies
18:34.53LiL_mr-tok now
18:34.55SeligArkinNo problem, LiL_mr-t
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18:37.32UndrwaterPaulFertser: where is that enabled?
18:38.34PaulFertserUndrwater: frameworkd.conf
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18:43.08Undrwaterso: [ousaged] disable=1
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19:08.46LiL_mr-thow do i know when qi has been installed? i've got to the bootmenu and run flash your neo from neotool, checking only bootloader.
19:09.35PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: i don't use neotool, it's some gui app
19:09.53LiL_mr-tPaulFertser: yes
19:10.03PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: if you used dfu-util directly, you'd see the output and would have no doubt about what is done and what is not.
19:10.27LiL_mr-tok
19:10.42LiL_mr-tare there instructions on the wiki for it?
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19:12.44PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: sure
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19:22.47Undrwaterneotool uses dfu-util and shows progress in terminal just like dfu-util
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19:24.07PaulFertserUndrwater: well, i've seen neotool users usually complaining/asking something weird without any chance to help them. On the contrary, when one is using dfu-util he just pastebins the output and you can understand what's going on there.
19:24.29CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r7de0a39c1ea2 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking
19:24.38Undrwaterfor pastebin, i can understand that
19:25.10Undrwaterhmm...maybe it's because i use neotool from the command line
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19:34.22LiL_mr-tPaulFertser: think qi has installed. when i boot now it shows 4 unknown boot options, a fail and then another message and boots into the gui. it's a lot quicker than previously. does that sound correct?
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19:46.38PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: qi never shows anything
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19:53.28LiL_mr-tPaulFertser: i installed using dfu-util, which displayed what was going on and it said it had installed fine. i do however get 4 unknown boot option messages, debugs dir failed and power supply something or other message... it's small and difficult to see!
19:53.55LiL_mr-tthe phone does boot however without issue.
19:54.48PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: ah, 4 unknown boot option messages are ok, that's what kernel outputs on boot.
19:57.42LiL_mr-tPaulFertser: yep, it's at boot. debugs dir creation failed and power supply bat failed to report status properly are the other two messages that follow the unknown boot option messages.
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19:59.35PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: all that is ok
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20:01.39LiL_mr-tPaulFertser: great. i'll leave the moko11 update as the boot menu reports my FR has moko12. i'm going to try and install shr unstable now...
20:02.57ndnihilI pity the fool, a little bit...
20:02.59PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: boot menu is talking about another moko, not related to gsm firmware version.
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20:06.36LiL_mr-tah, cheers... gsm update next it is then!
20:08.28slaxxerwhat does that update do anyways?
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20:52.33slaxxerdoes qtmoko have the  screeching noise   that shr has on gsm?
20:53.01max_posedonI think you haven't buzzfix
20:53.12max_posedonits hardware bug, not software
20:55.17PaulFertsermax_posedon: btw, does your FR make high-pitch sound when the screen is rotated?
20:56.11PaulFertsermax_posedon: i'm yet to try to do anything about it... I didn't have it at first but i tried older kernels already, no change, still noisy. And it doesn't look like it can be bootloader-related.
20:56.57max_posedonI don't rotate screen
20:58.07PaulFertsermax_posedon: try that
20:59.11max_posedonand what next?
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21:00.22max_posedonoh, now I remember what I don't
21:00.37max_posedonafter 2nd rotate tslib broken
21:00.51max_posedonhe doesn't understand when I touch anymore
21:01.14max_posedonshr should switch to xf86-video-glamo as fast as possible
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21:03.36PaulFertsermax_posedon: they promised to do that for several months already.
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21:04.14PaulFertsermax_posedon: but tbh it's not xglamo, for me TS worked "ok" after i rotated to the initial position, no matter how many times i tried.
21:04.14max_posedonha, I remember when they promised openssh by default)
21:04.35max_posedonanyway, Its just remind me about gentoo stuff
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21:07.09slaxxersince paroli is integrating ,will we lose the dialer an phone app thats already in shr?
21:07.26PaulFertserslaxxer: no
21:07.29PaulFertserslaxxer: you'll have a choice
21:19.47DocScrutinizerslaxxer: someone complained about both apps poping up concurrently when inbound call and he can answer using either of them
21:20.09DocScrutinizerslaxxer: just a few hours ago :-)
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21:22.26SpeedEvilIt's a feature!
21:22.51SpeedEvilNow ideally it should support ringtone per dialer in each speaker
21:23.02DocScrutinizerlol
21:23.13DocScrutinizeron gta02 we got only one
21:23.34DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: and what if you finally start a 3rd dialer app?
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21:24.01LiL_mr-thmm, i have tried over and over to format an mini sdcard to ext2 (fine, nor problems) and then run the command sudo dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/sdc1 (seems to go fine). however when i try and boot from the mini sdcard in the FR, it says it can't read uimage.bin?
21:24.50DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: btw you can easily config that way (each speaker) once fso moves ringtone from oeventsd (or whatever) to generic dialer task
21:24.59PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: no wonder
21:25.09PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: you should have read README more carefully
21:25.36LiL_mr-tgoing back to read now...
21:25.43DocScrutinizerLiL_mr-t: do you boot from NOR(!) uboot?
21:25.53PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: yes, he installed Qi already
21:26.12DocScrutinizersure. can tell from error msg
21:27.27DocScrutinizerI really dunno how I could myke my readme and wiki even more clear. go from 14pt to 36pt?
21:27.52LiL_mr-tPaulFertser: oops! no need for the 1... so sorry!
21:28.12PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: i guess then users will again start to think it's very dangerous and complex ;)
21:28.25DocScrutinizerfsck
21:30.54DocScrutinizerLiL_mr-t: btw the dd was chosen by me to save you from the need to format the microSD, ext2 or whatever
21:32.23DocScrutinizerLiL_mr-t: dd does all the partitioning and formating for you, implicitly
21:33.27LiL_mr-tDocScrutinizer, my total apologies. it is totally me and not your instructions.
21:33.29DocScrutinizerit's really as simple as in the wiki and readme: download, untar, dd, boot
21:34.30PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: sometimes you spend considerable time doing simple things, sometimes hard things are done fast, who knows. Imagine who i was surprised after flashing gta01 and being unable to boot.
21:34.36DocScrutinizerLiL_mr-t: well, if you succeed at last, everything fine :-)
21:36.04PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: i still don't understand why it didn't boot from nand (because it did with the old u-boot that was already installed on device). Anyway, waiting for weekend in the hope i'll have enough time for lowlevel hacking with it. Now i need to finally obtain something resembling an SMT-capable soldering iron and i'll be set ;)
21:37.17DocScrutinizerPaulFertser: different mtdparts of 01 and 02?
21:38.11DocScrutinizerPaulFertser: completely different interface to uSD?
21:38.25PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: thought about that... Obviously i use gta01 qi that has gta01 partition map hardcoded. Possibly the u-boot config that was on this device used non-standard NAND partitioning.
21:38.30PaulFertserBut i doubt that.
21:38.56DocScrutinizerhmm, dunno Qi
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21:39.39PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: i do know :D
21:39.50DocScrutinizerPaulFertser: well I guess you got a debubo
21:40.00PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: of course gta01 Qi port uses different method for accessing uSd.
21:40.17DocScrutinizerreally? ;-P
21:40.37PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: i'll get diy usb-uart converter tomorrow evening. And anyway after reseating uSD i can boot gta01 just fine, so the problem is void.
21:40.45DocScrutinizerglamo-emulator-lib?
21:41.33DocScrutinizerooh, so it was a simple contact problem of uSD??
21:41.45PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: looks like that
21:41.52PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: at least i don't think i changed anything else
21:42.02DocScrutinizerduh, that's TOO simple :-D
21:42.03PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: just swapped the card several times with my other card.
21:42.13CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r5f0e1ca54052 10libpersistence/ (src/jsontypeserializer.vala tests/tests.vala): can serialize some types of Gee.Map now
21:42.37DocScrutinizerwhat's mickey doing there again?
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21:43.24DocScrutinizerjsontypeserializer? Gee.Map?? o.O
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21:43.45LiL_mr-tPaulFertser: DocScrutinizer, something is happening! so sorry for the stupidity. it really is so clear in the readme. i'm not the brightest of bulbs to be honest... infact i wouldn't bother trying to read if i was lighting the room!
21:44.12max_posedonmickeyl, hi! pls fix fsousaged/vala compilation issue
21:44.31max_posedonsighandler_t not defined if _GNU_SOURCE not defined
21:44.57max_posedon(e.g. fsousaged doesn't compile because of missing define/wrong vala generated file)
21:45.03max_posedon(gcc-4.4.1 glibc-2.9)
21:45.36PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: hehe
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21:46.37mickeylmax_posedon: configure.ac contains AC_GNU_SOURCE
21:46.41mickeylshould work and does here
21:47.58max_posedonah... may be I compiled little bit older version
21:50.03Undrwateri noticed opkg-link in the repos...is this what i think it is?  allowing for install of apps on sd and providing linking?
21:50.27max_posedonmickeyl, sorry, I compiled tagged version which haven't all is fine now, thanks, may be little retagging?
21:50.55max_posedon(following master isn't very nice for all distros except shr may be)
21:51.00mickeyljust use the last tag
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21:51.12mickeyli released something some days ago
21:51.12max_posedonok
21:51.39mickeylDocScrutinizer: working on infrastructure to save objects to a file and restore them for them. goal is to save the resource state from fsousaged so that it can seamlessly restart
21:52.06DocScrutinizeraah
21:52.13DocScrutinizerthanks mickeyl
21:52.21mickeyl:)
21:52.36pieterc~seen Zorkman
21:52.39aptzorkman <n=Zork@78-22-123-127.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 4d 5h 40s ago, saying: 'openvibe gives much more pleasure ;-)'.
21:54.07LiL_mr-tPaulFertser: ok... i can't read what it actually says but i can make out angstrom or something. has appeared in green at bottom of screen. does this mean the gsm firmware is updated?
21:54.08PaulFertsermickeyl: are you still going to have a crashy fsousaged? ;)
21:54.28mickeylheh, well
21:54.33DocScrutinizerLiL_mr-t: 9d_o_n_e1 now finally?
21:54.38PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: should appear DONE in large colored chars
21:54.38mickeylthis is C
21:55.05DocScrutinizerPaulFertser: where is that camera bug?? ;-P
21:56.02LiL_mr-tDocScrutinizer, PaulFertser, no... green section at bottom of screen says Angstrom in  large green letters
21:56.03PaulFertsermickeyl: tbh i still don't get it: if it doesn't crash, no need to restart then? What am i missing?
21:56.16DocScrutinizerLiL_mr-t: yes you're at finish line when angstrom is printed
21:56.47DocScrutinizerthe "d_o_n_e" is one line above, in normal size
21:57.09LiL_mr-tDocScrutinizer, so shall i wait a little longer for a big green done!? ;)
21:57.19PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: no
21:57.25DocScrutinizerno, it's finished
21:57.40LiL_mr-tDocScrutinizer, thanks
21:57.49DocScrutinizernp, yw
21:57.51PaulFertserLiL_mr-t: you should go sleeping now, tomorrow will make everything clear ;)
21:58.06DocScrutinizerhehe
21:58.11PaulFertser. o O ( /me should go sleeping too )
21:58.59DocScrutinizerhe PaulFertser - Friday tomorrow. And not yet 3'o even at your TZ. Why going to sleep??
21:59.02mickeylPaulFertser: seamless restartability is good for more than just crash recovery.
21:59.24PaulFertserDocScrutinizer: going to get up at ~8am to go to work on friday
21:59.48DocScrutinizeroh, didn't know
22:00.20max_posedontommorow is friday?
22:00.22PaulFertserWell, i usually sleep after work and before work, not quite efficient but i guess i got used to it from the school days even.
22:00.27PaulFertsermax_posedon: today is friday :)
22:00.54max_posedonoh, crazy...
22:01.24DocScrutinizerUndrwater: seems nobody ever heard of opkg-link
22:04.06DocScrutinizermax_posedon: PaulFertser: per RFC973451 definition morning is when a participant enters IRC, and evening/night is when he leaves. So it's perfectly possible this evening and tomorrow morning are both Friday ;-P
22:04.31max_posedonmickeyl, btw, may you from time to time, release snapshots (to http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/ )
22:04.59DocScrutinizersnapshots? of what?
22:05.12pietercis booting his freerunner for the first time in 30 days due to examinations
22:05.17mickeylmax_posedon: yes, i usually do that, when i tag something. for some reason, the last set is missing
22:05.39mickeylDocScrutinizer: the FSO set of programs
22:05.41DocScrutinizerpieterc: I hope you removed bat for that 30 day period
22:05.41mickeyland libs
22:06.20DocScrutinizermickeyl: you now fsoraw?
22:06.26DocScrutinizerKnow even
22:06.56mickeylyes, i rewrote it in vala lately
22:07.01mickeylsitting in cornucopia/tools/
22:07.04DocScrutinizerooh
22:09.35DocScrutinizermickeyl: do you think fsoraw needs to learn to listen and react to RESOURCE_AVAILABLE signals? E.g. send SIGUSR1|<whatever> to the monitored program when resource becomes non-available, or enqueue a "P" for 'pause' to STDIN of that prog, etc. Get the picture?
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22:10.34mickeylnot so sure about the pause thing, but i love the SIGUSR idea
22:10.41mickeylor rather SIGPAUSE and SIGCONT
22:10.44mickeylerr, SIGSTOP of course
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22:12.12LiL_mr-ti'm ready for the distro install now. i'm going to install shr-unstable. do i download the lite-om-gta02.jffs2 file? i'm not sure which bin image i need either? i'm looking here, http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/
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22:12.47DocScrutinizerwell, I think if you can specify one of those three: <arbitrary SIGfoo>|<string to STDIN>|<execute arbitrary cmd>, then we'll be fine. Of course for both resource_not_avail and resource_avail. And of cource per resource (fsoraw can allocate multiple resources)
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22:14.58DocScrutinizermickeyl: --on-avail-sig SIGSTOP, --on-notavail-exe "echo 'I duno what to do..'", -on-avail-stdin "P"
22:15.56mickeylhmm
22:16.03mickeylthat's going to be hell-of-a-commandline
22:16.14pietercI'm into flashing, any recent image of SHR recommended?
22:16.19mickeylif you really want it resource specific
22:17.35CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * rdf99fb3ef5b2 10libpersistence/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add objects into collection classes
22:18.13DocScrutinizermickeyl: I'd recommend semantics like this: all those mentioned above are accumulating and take effect for all resources that come after those parameters. You can redefine by a second invocation
22:18.52mickeylmakes sense
22:19.01mickeyllooks around for someone willing to implement it
22:19.29LiL_mr-tcan anyone confirm that the two files i need to install shr-unstable are om-gta02.jffs2 and uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin ?
22:20.30DocScrutinizermickeyl: maybe add a --clear-all option to reset a huge set of handlers
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22:24.06DocScrutinizermickeyl: shortforms -S -s -E -e -I -i   for signal, exec, stdin, avail / non-avail
22:24.48CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r1eea16790664 10libpersistence/ (4 files in 2 dirs): wrap debug into #if / #endif
22:24.51mickeyl*nod*
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22:28.29DocScrutinizermickeyl: you also realized lsfsor? (no not again a requests orgy. I'll augment that one myself ;-)
22:29.05LiL_mr-thave the images required but how do i implement the following; opkg update and  opkg install task-shr-apps task-shr-games task-shr-gtk ?
22:30.19DocScrutinizerLiL_mr-t: your question (the way you ask) suggests you should be asleep ;-)
22:30.44LiL_mr-tDocScrutinizer, :) i know...
22:31.02mickeylDocScrutinizer: not yet. that should be simple, it's just listing for resources, right?
22:31.10mickeyloh wait
22:31.15mickeyli think fsoraw -l does that
22:31.23mickeylyeah
22:31.24pietercLiL_mr-t: you mean: how do I connect through ssh and do opkg update... ?
22:31.25DocScrutinizeryep, and it actually does. Very nicely
22:31.35DocScrutinizerooh
22:31.41LiL_mr-tDocScrutinizer; "The image is marked as lite which can be upgraded to the full image by running...", it's this part i don't get
22:32.01pietercLiL_mr-t: you know how to connect through ssh?
22:32.01DocScrutinizernah, fsoraw -l just lists existing resources, no?
22:32.36LiL_mr-tpieterc, ah, i see... so i install and then run the opkg command from the FR?
22:32.45pietercindeed:)
22:32.54pietercconnected to the internet of course
22:32.55LiL_mr-tpieterc, thanks
22:32.57DocScrutinizermickeyl: lsfsor lists the actually allocated resources and who is allocating them
22:33.25DocScrutinizermickeyl: very handy
22:33.37LiL_mr-tpieterc, so i can always perform the update at a later stage
22:33.50pietercyes... if it's not broken.. .I don't know
22:33.56pietercoh; i'll try right away ;-)
22:34.09DocScrutinizermickeyl: PaulFertser wroze a python 10liner to do that :-)
22:34.19DocScrutinizerwroTe even
22:34.54mickeyli'd rather add that to fsoraw
22:35.09mickeylpick an option argument
22:35.20DocScrutinizerseems reasonable
22:35.44Undrwatermy bad...it's ipkg-link
22:36.04DocScrutinizerthough the name fso resource allocation wrapper isn't exactly matching this purpose
22:36.27pietercLiL_mr-t: works :)
22:36.53DocScrutinizerwhereas "ls fso resources" is analog to lsmod, lsusb etc
22:39.11DocScrutinizermickeyl: and there's absolutely no common functionality between those two. At least cmdline option wise
22:39.35mickeyli know, but the whole program wrapper is duplicated
22:39.45mickeylso lets call it differnently
22:39.50mickeylfsocli
22:39.52mickeylor so
22:40.07mickeylone program to rule them all
22:40.13mickeyl(yes, i know you hate busybox ;)
22:40.37DocScrutinizermickeyl: which program wrapper?
22:41.02mickeylnot wrapper, but skeleton
22:41.12DocScrutinizeraah,
22:41.30DocScrutinizernah that's an approach I don't like that much
22:42.44DocScrutinizeryou're reducing ELF storage consumption, but you actually increase program text loaded to RAM
22:42.59DocScrutinizerfor no good reason
22:44.18mickeylwell
22:44.27mickeylsaving effort is sometimes a good reason
22:44.33ChockyKISS
22:44.54DocScrutinizersaving wrong end here, while wasting RAM
22:45.34DocScrutinizermickeyl: each invocation of fsoraw would carry the useless lsfsor code
22:46.04mickeylyes, a couple of hundred bytes we waste, a developer hour we win
22:46.19mickeylplus having to memorize less of command names
22:46.35DocScrutinizermoot point
22:46.46mickeylthe stuff shares so much common code, it's waste to create a new binary for it
22:46.46DocScrutinizerlsfsor is already there
22:47.09DocScrutinizerand we need to memorize a lot of option names then
22:47.17DocScrutinizerrather than cmdnames
22:49.16DocScrutinizermickeyl: it's like unifying modprobe and lsmod
22:49.25DocScrutinizerinto one elf
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22:49.56mickeylnot a bad idea ;)
22:49.59mickeylmodprobe -l
22:50.14Chockybusybox :p
22:55.58Undrwaterwhat is default_scenario in odeviced.audio in frameworkd.conf?  is that default for apps?
22:56.49DocScrutinizermickeyl: that's ending in one HUGE elf that takes ages to load into all the ram it wastes, and that will happen *each time* you invoke one of it's functions. That's a big diff to an approach like grrrr busybox, which takes advantage out of the fact that all the functions are *internal* and you won't need to load a second program when executing a script line cmd
22:57.09Chockyits
22:57.28mickeylUndrwater: that's the default scenario fso loads on startup
22:57.35DocScrutinizerUndrwater: that is loaded on boot and is supposed to be always there as long as no other scenario is loaded
22:58.21Undrwaterso gsm loads the gsm*.state which overrides?
22:58.38DocScrutinizerUndrwater: alas no app actually loading another scenario is aware of that paradigma, so you still can't rely on it actually being in effect
22:58.50DocScrutinizerUndrwater: exactly
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22:59.42DocScrutinizer(no other app) framework being the exception here, as it restores the default scenario at end of call
23:00.29Undrwaterso most apps will use stereoout
23:01.34DocScrutinizerUndrwater: probably that's been the rationale behind that. Alas it's not eactly true
23:01.58Undrwaterhrm...
23:02.09Undrwatergoes back to watching happy tree friends :P :)
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23:04.07Undrwaterjust when you think you understand something ;)
23:04.29DocScrutinizer(frameworkd restoring) even that might mess up things pretty much, if the call interrupts an app that loaded it's own scenario
23:05.54Chockyits
23:05.54Chockyit's = it is.  it's not hard :p
23:05.54DocScrutinizerUndrwater: think of an mp3 player using BT for the headset.
23:06.41Undrwaterright
23:07.28Undrwaterbut we've got bluetooth, gsm, speakerphone (which seems another animal), apps that use sound servers such as esd....
23:07.43DocScrutinizernow try to figure what *should* happen on inbound call, and what actually *will*
23:08.13DocScrutinizerUndrwater: esd is deprecated
23:08.29UndrwaterDocScrutinizer: some apps stilld depend iirc
23:08.42DocScrutinizerUndrwater: it just eats cpu cycles but does nothing
23:09.17Undrwatermy gues at what should happen: all apps get backgrounded, call gets priority for cpu, sound, Display, etc
23:09.27DocScrutinizerUndrwater: esd is an ancient approach to do what ALSA DMIX device does today
23:09.35Undrwaterahh
23:09.41Graf_Ithakacu@all
23:10.28LiL_mr-tshr-unstable up and running! :) i get a couple of "invalid media value" messages on the shr boot splash screen. is that normal?
23:10.40DocScrutinizerwell c u fellas
23:10.53CIA-7freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r54a43cc6b156 10libpersistence/ (src/Makefile.am src/jsontypeserializer.vala tests/tests.vala): add support for boolean value types (toplevel)
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23:11.09LiL_mr-tbye DocScrutinizer, thank for all your help
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23:53.36brolinCan anyone access <http://vpsville.ca/>?
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